June 10, 2025 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Why Are My Rates This?/Poking Pike Again/You Don't Have to Be Mad to Work Here, But.../A Nuclear Pause/Not that Hot On Road Cones
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap There, Welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday. All the
best but from the Mike Husking breakfast on news Doalks.
There'd be in a sillier package Iron Glean Heart And
today we're gonna We're going to poke the enders of
Pike River and see if we can get it to
fire back up again. Awesome. Who is our most valued employer,
as voted by its employees? Alternative energy? Why aren't we
(00:53):
investigating some forms of it over others? And how many causes?
The road hot cone hotline? Well, no it's not a
phone line, but anyway, we'll get into that at the end.
But first, app cvs, not curriculum de days, but value
from the council. So ty it's so closely to rates
right right.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Rates upset has begun to unfold. Auckland this week got
its long awaited council valuations. Why people get excited about this,
I've got no idea. It's a rough guestimate by a council.
It takes into account the broadest of criteria, But people
seem to live and die by these numbers. The upset
of courses come from the fact that the value of
a lot of properties has dropped while the rates bill
is going up, and so we get the cost plus
accounting scandal that is Council economic policy exposed. Now this
(01:37):
is happening, of course, all over the country. It is
a specific but it's also a very broad based problem.
Broad based because this is all inflationary. Of course, costs
going up in a climate of no growth is inflationary.
Specific because depending on where you are depends on how
bad the scandal is. Auckland properties are down nine percent,
rates are up over seven. Wellington values are down twenty
four percent, rates are up over sixteen, Nelson down nine,
(02:01):
up sixers. This whole idea that rates are linked to value,
of course, is complete crap and always has been. In sure,
councils are inept and we'll spend forever, We'll waste your
money forever, we'll plead poverty forever. We'll always find something
that's critical and needs doing right now. Christ Church, for example,
got shafted last week by Chris Bishop, who rejected the
government's Intensification Plan amendments as proposed by christ Church. The
(02:23):
council didn't like the original plan, so they've spent three years,
millions of dollars to go back and forward and to
achieve what nothing. That's counsels for you, as Auckland mayor
Wayne brown Seed yesterday, it is what it is. And
he's right because he knows a couple of home truths.
No one's turning up for local body elections, so very
few people will be held to account, and he also
knows a lot of people will moan but ultimately do
(02:44):
nothing about it. If ever there was a reason to
get exercised over the way we're being played, this is it.
Your asset has dropped, but the bill has gone up.
The bill and theory is based on the asset value.
Nowhere else in life is this scam played and gotten
away with. Apart from local body politics. We've got too
many councils, too many representatives, too much representation in general,
(03:06):
too many boards, too much in competence. Every year of
the bill for it rises. Democracy only works if you
take part. What better reason can there be this year
then to get your voting paper, Look at the value
of your property, look at your rate rise, put a
name to the con and vote them out.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Sounds good, except there's one small problem, isn't there? You
can't actually vote people out, kid Nickley. You can only
vote for somebody else and vote them in. And what
I've found when it comes to local body politics is
that I don't want any of those people in. So
I don't know what you're supposed to do at that point?
Can we vote for an administrator like we've had from
(03:45):
places like Taranga? Can we do that? It's the rewrap
all right, Pike reverer time? Yep? Why on earth are
we talking about Pike River again?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Right? Angst? It seems to me has a life. Things
got awfully angster. You'll remember over the pay equity business,
but appears that appears to have gone away from now.
I do wonder where the last week's poll, in which
the majority of New Zealanders will shown either two support
the government or not care about the issue, caused the
activists to realize this was not the hot button issue
they thought it might be. The Regular Tree Standards Bill
(04:15):
is another one. It could be that Seymour's name is
attached to it and that that has the Noisy Brigade
in Wellington on the pr run. But there is certainly
angst about it, even though I beat you anything you want.
Between ninety eight ninety nine percent of us wouldn't have
a clue what it's actually about. And then we had
the work safe changes. Now. A film about Pike River
was premiered in Sydney over the weekend, and at it
some of the producers lambastad the changes as being dangerous
(04:38):
and basically allowing corporate manslaughter. Obviously that sort of talk
is rabid, but the bit that makes no sense in
their argument, and they're not aligned because the opposition and
the unions agree with them. Their argument is they complain
about the deaths in the workplace each year, the Pike
River tragedies, None of them they don't seem to realize
happened under the new workplace regime, mainly because the regime
isn't even a thing yet. All the tragedies that they're
(05:00):
so desperately worried about are under the system. The opponents
are so enamored with a system that on one hand
needs saving and yet on the other is clearly so bad.
You're appalled at all the workplace deaths. Small side point,
by the way, I followed closely the Pike River Commission.
Sadly it was a top to bottom failure, not just
workplace safety and its rules and people, but the board,
the executive of the workers, each of them in their
own way played fairly loosely with the rules of the day.
(05:22):
Which I think is part of the reason for the change.
Is now what we have can't be both, you see,
it can't be brilliant, while at the same time shocking.
Given the results and of the people who criticized this change,
the status quo was what they endorsed, what they ran with,
what they didn't change. The deaths and rules seemed to
be well fine under them until it wasn't under them,
at which point they became shocking. How does that work?
(05:42):
It doesn't, of course, Hence the argument falls, and the
change might just be being argued because it's changed, not because
it might actually be an improvement.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, there are certainly a lot of people who say
no first before giving anything a try. So yeah, I
don't think we want to be a country of naysayers.
I don't know that we are. I hope we are
rerap right. Whatever we are in New Zealand, we love
(06:15):
our job, particularly if you work for the following organizations.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
It's the fiz with business fiber take your business productivity
to the next level.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Now this could be suspect Ramstad Employer brand research day
today the most attractive place to work in the country,
along with what we value from an employer. Now what
we value one work life balance, two attractive salary and benefits.
Three good training for a pleasant work atmosphere. That's new
this year. Five job security. Who's the best place to
(06:45):
work or where's the best place to work? Number ten
The University of Auckland Good reputation, equity and you're financially healthy.
Nine Department of Internal Affairs Equity, good pay, job security,
B and Z good pay, job security ASB good pay,
good location. Six Defense Force job security, career progression. Five
(07:05):
Saint John good reputation, equity back to society for IBM
good pay career progression three A and Z good pay
job security. See the banking theme there. Two MB equity
good pay career progression one Air New Zealand Air New Zealand.
(07:26):
Don't look at me that way, Glenn, I'm just reading it.
Don't shoot the messenger, mate, Air New Zealand good pay,
interesting job content and good reputation. Now my challenge to
Randstad is how many people in this country did you
talk to? Did you go to them directly? In other words,
did you target the businesses themselves and just talk to
some random people within the businesses? In other words, you
(07:46):
selected the businesses you thought were the best, or did
you randomly select people from any old business at all?
And this is the combination of that particular work. Because
here's a startup for ten I don't believe a word
of it. Come on, unless you work for any of
those aforementioned companies, you go, Mike, You're wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Now, I'm not saying it's not an issue for some people,
but I have never ever.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Not once have I talked to somebody about their job
and said to them, Hey, what do you like most
about your job? And they have answered, ah, the equity.
I think it's the equity are like best.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I've never heard anybody say that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Maybe I'm just not talking to the right people.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Okay, So as the globe continues to go to hell
and a handcart, and we looked at forms of alternative
energy to try and at least decelerate the handcart. Where
are we at with that?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know? My first nation with nuclear and it was
sparked again yesterday the British government thirty billion they announced
for size we'll see, which is a nuclear plant on
the Suffolk coastline, ten thousand direct jobs, thousands and more
around the industry generally. Are they going to produce enough
power to fueled six million homes. It's based on a
thing called Hinckley Point C. Problem with Hinckley points C
(09:13):
is it's going to be switched on in the early
twenty thirties. It'll be more than a decade latent cost
billions more than originally planned. So they've got the same
sort of consenting and building problems that we do in
this country. And of course that's before you get to
ask the question what about nuclear? If there was no
real argument or politics around it, would you be into nuclear.
(09:36):
It's a three trucker. It's a three trucker all day long.
Speaking of part just before we leave at ASBI note
are offering five year interest free loans one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars for solar and battery systems. This is
for farms. They did a survey of a thousand farmers.
Seventy percent were interested in installing solar upfront costs is
your big barrier. Most farms have rooftop. Didn't know that
(09:57):
most farms have rooftop. Sixty percent of the farms say
they had land that could be used for solar without
reducing production. So two hundred and fifty square meat ground
solar se and would save farmers six hundred thousand dollars
over the lifetime of the panels. So that's not bad going.
You could pay it off. They think, I mean farms
(10:18):
very obviously individually, but they reckon by year six you're
in Clover, no pun and tended, so one fifty interest free.
You'd want a bit of that, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
What season of Clacton's farm do you reckon he'll be
putting solar on.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I reckon Clacton would go new p before solar. It
was a very long if I could be bothered, Can
we get aiver hats to look up all the pauses
of in a two moment we've done over the years
and see if that was the longest one, because those
trucks weren't even been going very fast. The re wrap
and let's keep things a little bit trafficky. How's the
(10:52):
old road Cone hotline.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Going numbers are? It's on a twelve month pilot. It's
not a phone, so why they keep calling it a hotline?
I got no idea, but four hundred is your number
after one week, first day, one hundred and twelve, So
that's all you pent up frustration. Obviously you got an
oportunity to let it out one hundred and twelve complaints.
They tape it off as the week went on. Last
week eighty two, followed by forty five, followed by forty three,
(11:16):
followed by thirty six, by June eight, which is a
couple of days ago, dip to twenty eight, rising significantly
on Monday to thirty nine. Bit a week in frustration.
You're out in the back, you saw a few carnes
you thought must get onto the old hot line. So
add all that together you got about four hundred Auckland
leading hot spot, not surprisingly Wellington fifty seven, christ Church
twenty two. So that's to my eye exhausted the frustration
(11:41):
and the scenario. Now the next question, and we are
onto the semi from the research department. There's this morning
going to be following this up because what I wanted
to know at the time. It's all very well opening
up a hot line, but once people go what about this?
What about that? What about the next thing? Who responded?
How did they respond? How long did it take them
to respond? How many of the four hundred complaints were
accurate as opposed to somebody just going by and going, oh,
(12:03):
that looks like a few too many cones to me?
And what actually got done? Did any thing materially change
or was this just a sop from the government to
sort of shut us up Momentarily.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's like it's being used about the same amount as
to who you funny? But I am a little bit
worried about how much it's costing to run it. How
many people do you think it takes to run a
road going hotline? Sure, perhaps we should look into that too, AI, AI,
(12:36):
can you look into that?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Plase?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I am a Glenn Hart, the real person, not the AI,
and I'll be bet with more real podcasting the Maracy.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
For more from News Talks at b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap There, Welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday. All the
best but from the Mike Husking breakfast on news Doalks.
There'd be in a sillier package Iron Glean Heart And
today we're gonna We're going to poke the enders of
Pike River and see if we can get it to
fire back up again. Awesome. Who is our most valued employer,
as voted by its employees? Alternative energy? Why aren't we
(00:53):
investigating some forms of it over others? And how many causes?
The road hot cone hotline? Well, no it's not a
phone line, but anyway, we'll get into that at the end.
But first, app cvs, not curriculum de days, but value
from the council. So ty it's so closely to rates
right right.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Rates upset has begun to unfold. Auckland this week got
its long awaited council valuations. Why people get excited about this,
I've got no idea. It's a rough guestimate by a council.
It takes into account the broadest of criteria, But people
seem to live and die by these numbers. The upset
of courses come from the fact that the value of
a lot of properties has dropped while the rates bill
is going up, and so we get the cost plus
accounting scandal that is Council economic policy exposed. Now this
(01:37):
is happening, of course, all over the country. It is
a specific but it's also a very broad based problem.
Broad based because this is all inflationary. Of course, costs
going up in a climate of no growth is inflationary.
Specific because depending on where you are depends on how
bad the scandal is. Auckland properties are down nine percent,
rates are up over seven. Wellington values are down twenty
four percent, rates are up over sixteen, Nelson down nine,
(02:01):
up sixers. This whole idea that rates are linked to value,
of course, is complete crap and always has been. In sure,
councils are inept and we'll spend forever, We'll waste your
money forever, we'll plead poverty forever. We'll always find something
that's critical and needs doing right now. Christ Church, for example,
got shafted last week by Chris Bishop, who rejected the
government's Intensification Plan amendments as proposed by christ Church. The
(02:23):
council didn't like the original plan, so they've spent three years,
millions of dollars to go back and forward and to
achieve what nothing. That's counsels for you, as Auckland mayor
Wayne brown Seed yesterday, it is what it is. And
he's right because he knows a couple of home truths.
No one's turning up for local body elections, so very
few people will be held to account, and he also
knows a lot of people will moan but ultimately do
(02:44):
nothing about it. If ever there was a reason to
get exercised over the way we're being played, this is it.
Your asset has dropped, but the bill has gone up.
The bill and theory is based on the asset value.
Nowhere else in life is this scam played and gotten
away with. Apart from local body politics. We've got too
many councils, too many representatives, too much representation in general,
(03:06):
too many boards, too much in competence. Every year of
the bill for it rises. Democracy only works if you
take part. What better reason can there be this year
then to get your voting paper, Look at the value
of your property, look at your rate rise, put a
name to the con and vote them out.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Sounds good, except there's one small problem, isn't there? You
can't actually vote people out, kid Nickley. You can only
vote for somebody else and vote them in. And what
I've found when it comes to local body politics is
that I don't want any of those people in. So
I don't know what you're supposed to do at that point?
Can we vote for an administrator like we've had from
(03:45):
places like Taranga? Can we do that? It's the rewrap
all right, Pike reverer time? Yep? Why on earth are
we talking about Pike River again?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Right? Angst? It seems to me has a life. Things
got awfully angster. You'll remember over the pay equity business,
but appears that appears to have gone away from now.
I do wonder where the last week's poll, in which
the majority of New Zealanders will shown either two support
the government or not care about the issue, caused the
activists to realize this was not the hot button issue
they thought it might be. The Regular Tree Standards Bill
(04:15):
is another one. It could be that Seymour's name is
attached to it and that that has the Noisy Brigade
in Wellington on the pr run. But there is certainly
angst about it, even though I beat you anything you want.
Between ninety eight ninety nine percent of us wouldn't have
a clue what it's actually about. And then we had
the work safe changes. Now. A film about Pike River
was premiered in Sydney over the weekend, and at it
some of the producers lambastad the changes as being dangerous
(04:38):
and basically allowing corporate manslaughter. Obviously that sort of talk
is rabid, but the bit that makes no sense in
their argument, and they're not aligned because the opposition and
the unions agree with them. Their argument is they complain
about the deaths in the workplace each year, the Pike
River tragedies, None of them they don't seem to realize
happened under the new workplace regime, mainly because the regime
isn't even a thing yet. All the tragedies that they're
(05:00):
so desperately worried about are under the system. The opponents
are so enamored with a system that on one hand
needs saving and yet on the other is clearly so bad.
You're appalled at all the workplace deaths. Small side point,
by the way, I followed closely the Pike River Commission.
Sadly it was a top to bottom failure, not just
workplace safety and its rules and people, but the board,
the executive of the workers, each of them in their
own way played fairly loosely with the rules of the day.
(05:22):
Which I think is part of the reason for the change.
Is now what we have can't be both, you see,
it can't be brilliant, while at the same time shocking.
Given the results and of the people who criticized this change,
the status quo was what they endorsed, what they ran with,
what they didn't change. The deaths and rules seemed to
be well fine under them until it wasn't under them,
at which point they became shocking. How does that work?
(05:42):
It doesn't, of course, Hence the argument falls, and the
change might just be being argued because it's changed, not because
it might actually be an improvement.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, there are certainly a lot of people who say
no first before giving anything a try. So yeah, I
don't think we want to be a country of naysayers.
I don't know that we are. I hope we are
rerap right. Whatever we are in New Zealand, we love
(06:15):
our job, particularly if you work for the following organizations.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
It's the fiz with business fiber take your business productivity
to the next level.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Now this could be suspect Ramstad Employer brand research day
today the most attractive place to work in the country,
along with what we value from an employer. Now what
we value one work life balance, two attractive salary and benefits.
Three good training for a pleasant work atmosphere. That's new
this year. Five job security. Who's the best place to
(06:45):
work or where's the best place to work? Number ten
The University of Auckland Good reputation, equity and you're financially healthy.
Nine Department of Internal Affairs Equity, good pay, job security,
B and Z good pay, job security ASB good pay,
good location. Six Defense Force job security, career progression. Five
(07:05):
Saint John good reputation, equity back to society for IBM
good pay career progression three A and Z good pay
job security. See the banking theme there. Two MB equity
good pay career progression one Air New Zealand Air New Zealand.
(07:26):
Don't look at me that way, Glenn, I'm just reading it.
Don't shoot the messenger, mate, Air New Zealand good pay,
interesting job content and good reputation. Now my challenge to
Randstad is how many people in this country did you
talk to? Did you go to them directly? In other words,
did you target the businesses themselves and just talk to
some random people within the businesses? In other words, you
(07:46):
selected the businesses you thought were the best, or did
you randomly select people from any old business at all?
And this is the combination of that particular work. Because
here's a startup for ten I don't believe a word
of it. Come on, unless you work for any of
those aforementioned companies, you go, Mike, You're wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Now, I'm not saying it's not an issue for some people,
but I have never ever.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Not once have I talked to somebody about their job
and said to them, Hey, what do you like most
about your job? And they have answered, ah, the equity.
I think it's the equity are like best.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I've never heard anybody say that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Maybe I'm just not talking to the right people.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Okay, So as the globe continues to go to hell
and a handcart, and we looked at forms of alternative
energy to try and at least decelerate the handcart. Where
are we at with that?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know? My first nation with nuclear and it was
sparked again yesterday the British government thirty billion they announced
for size we'll see, which is a nuclear plant on
the Suffolk coastline, ten thousand direct jobs, thousands and more
around the industry generally. Are they going to produce enough
power to fueled six million homes. It's based on a
thing called Hinckley Point C. Problem with Hinckley points C
(09:13):
is it's going to be switched on in the early
twenty thirties. It'll be more than a decade latent cost
billions more than originally planned. So they've got the same
sort of consenting and building problems that we do in
this country. And of course that's before you get to
ask the question what about nuclear? If there was no
real argument or politics around it, would you be into nuclear.
(09:36):
It's a three trucker. It's a three trucker all day long.
Speaking of part just before we leave at ASBI note
are offering five year interest free loans one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars for solar and battery systems. This is
for farms. They did a survey of a thousand farmers.
Seventy percent were interested in installing solar upfront costs is
your big barrier. Most farms have rooftop. Didn't know that
(09:57):
most farms have rooftop. Sixty percent of the farms say
they had land that could be used for solar without
reducing production. So two hundred and fifty square meat ground
solar se and would save farmers six hundred thousand dollars
over the lifetime of the panels. So that's not bad going.
You could pay it off. They think, I mean farms
(10:18):
very obviously individually, but they reckon by year six you're
in Clover, no pun and tended, so one fifty interest free.
You'd want a bit of that, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
What season of Clacton's farm do you reckon he'll be
putting solar on.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I reckon Clacton would go new p before solar. It
was a very long if I could be bothered, Can
we get aiver hats to look up all the pauses
of in a two moment we've done over the years
and see if that was the longest one, because those
trucks weren't even been going very fast. The re wrap
and let's keep things a little bit trafficky. How's the
(10:52):
old road Cone hotline.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Going numbers are? It's on a twelve month pilot. It's
not a phone, so why they keep calling it a hotline?
I got no idea, but four hundred is your number
after one week, first day, one hundred and twelve, So
that's all you pent up frustration. Obviously you got an
oportunity to let it out one hundred and twelve complaints.
They tape it off as the week went on. Last
week eighty two, followed by forty five, followed by forty three,
(11:16):
followed by thirty six, by June eight, which is a
couple of days ago, dip to twenty eight, rising significantly
on Monday to thirty nine. Bit a week in frustration.
You're out in the back, you saw a few carnes
you thought must get onto the old hot line. So
add all that together you got about four hundred Auckland
leading hot spot, not surprisingly Wellington fifty seven, christ Church
twenty two. So that's to my eye exhausted the frustration
(11:41):
and the scenario. Now the next question, and we are
onto the semi from the research department. There's this morning
going to be following this up because what I wanted
to know at the time. It's all very well opening
up a hot line, but once people go what about this?
What about that? What about the next thing? Who responded?
How did they respond? How long did it take them
to respond? How many of the four hundred complaints were
accurate as opposed to somebody just going by and going, oh,
(12:03):
that looks like a few too many cones to me?
And what actually got done? Did any thing materially change
or was this just a sop from the government to
sort of shut us up Momentarily.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's like it's being used about the same amount as
to who you funny? But I am a little bit
worried about how much it's costing to run it. How
many people do you think it takes to run a
road going hotline? Sure, perhaps we should look into that too, AI, AI,
(12:36):
can you look into that?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Plase?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I am a Glenn Hart, the real person, not the AI,
and I'll be bet with more real podcasting the Maracy.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
For more from News Talks at b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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