June 25, 2025 • 14 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) The Health Benefits of Watching Ardie/The Other Super Conversation/Does Your Boss Own Your Opinions?/Socialist Shake-up In NYC
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there, and welcome to the rewrap for Thursday. All
the best bits from the mic asking breakfast on news Dogs.
It'd be in a sillier package. I am then heart.
If I sound a little bit jaded, it's been a
busy old show behind the scenes this morning. You don't
need to know exactly what happened, but basically we had
to record a feature interview while playing back another interview,
(00:47):
and then the time of those interviews had to change,
and then we had to get another interview instead of
the one that we were doing initially. And while that
was happening, somebody else here had accidentally put a sixty
second silence into an ad break where there wasn't supposed
to be one. And basically, look, it's just been it's
been a long morning. But hopefully you're blissfully unaware of
(01:12):
all that, and you're more interested in hearing Mike talking
about superannuation for the ABC employment case in Australia or
maybe even the New York City mayoralty race. But before
any of that, the sort of the breaking news over
the morning was that FUNA has been partially funding the
(01:36):
Milana pacifica super twelve, well not super twelve, super raguy team,
which seems a bit strange.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So many texts coming in. I've missed the one that
I wanted to read, but it was about the business
of the America's Cup funding and for rich white guys.
What you've got to understand. The America's Cup funding was
for sport. It was a sporting event recognized as a
sporting event, if not a tourism event. This funding is
a welfare fund designed to uplift poor people in ethnic communities.
(02:08):
What that has to do with Ardi Savia running around
the field before he heads off to Japan, I don't know,
but it is our money and it's not tagged for sport,
the same way the four and a half million dollars
through m FAT was somehow tagged for a sport. When
foreign relations is it's all, there's something not right here.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Now when I watch Ardie Savvier running around on a
rugby field, I sort of feel better about myself, So
I guess you could argue they are health benefits and
if we feel better about sama. No, it's a long boat,
isn't it. It's rewrap and it just seems to be
a lot of the sort of stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Part of the problem, Mike is the public servants are
ignoring directives. I've said that, Judith. I think you're right.
I've said this on the program. I think that's increasingly
what it is now. You can, partially to a degree,
argue that Fanna Ora is one step removed. They're not
directly a government department. They are funded by the state,
but they're contracted to do certain things. And you've got
to ask yourself the question also the broader question. The
(03:12):
reason this is a story this morning, apart from the funding,
is specific a medical association their contract has been stopped.
Another version of pacific a medical association is the White
Perreira Trust, the famous White Parreira Trust, as headed by
John Tammerherrie. Of course they've lost their contract as well.
I believe he's taking them to court. I don't know
how you take the government to court over a contract
that you know, when you've got the money, you give
(03:34):
it to whoever you want. But you've got that aspect
of it as well. Without digging in even deeper hole.
I'm getting a lot of emails, and I can't work
out whether this is just a sort of a very minor,
broad based conspiracy by a few angsty people who spend
a lot of time on the email and send me
far too much correspondence. But section one two seven has
(03:55):
that triggered. You just listen to this section one to
section one two seven. This is education. We raised it
very briefly on the program the other day. This is
race based as well, and it's part of the it's
actually officially the Education and Training Amendment Bill number two,
which is in front of a select committee at the moment.
The claim from the many, many, many correspondents I get
is that this is race based. It's statyty, it's the
(04:19):
Treaty of Waitangi. It's what we're teaching kids in school,
and you're accusing Erica Stanford. The latest email this morning,
the most woke while everyone was distracted, National's wokeist minister
Erica Stanford. Where you get that from? I don't know,
quietly introduced a radical rewrite of our school governance laws
and now it has been pushed to a select committee
with barely a whisper of public attention. Education and Training
(04:41):
Amendment Bill number two. Changes buried within it, rewritten section
one two seven represent one of the boldest attempts yet
to enrich or in trench rather co governance and identity
politics in the classroom. Now, we went to Stanford's office
the other day and they said, that's not true. I've
read their explanation. If I can be honest, their explanation,
(05:06):
if I'm being generous, kind of makes sense. If I'm
being conspiratorial doesn't. So we'll probably need to get her
on the program tomorrow to get some clarification, because there's
clearly a frassant building up in the emailing community of
this country that we'll need to address. I'm worn out.
(05:30):
Can I just say that this on just like days
like this pissed me off, no end, not badly, but
I'm just sick of this country being the waiters. You see.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is what happens. One day Trump uses the F bomb,
the next day Mike ask me thinks he can say
piss off on the radio. It's a slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm telling it, it's.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
A slippery slope. A rewraps not like it used to
be in the old days. Sounds like a retiree of
course I can't afford to be a retiree.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yet, unfortunately, from the we can't get out of our
own wavefile comes the question has posed this week by
the Retirement Commissioner as to whether the people who have
money in the banks get the pension. Now, the first
part that is wrong with that is I thought we
had decided many a decade ago, rightly or wrongly, super
is an entitlement. It's trigger rightly or wrongly is age. Therefore,
(06:21):
the other criteria that you might like to at a
later stage add to the equation. I don't know height, weight, job,
brain power or savings are null and void because age
is what triggers it. So are we changing that? Are
we all of a sudden because that's the inference in
the question. The inference is also this sneering socialist bent
that some people have around success. Well, don't be too successful,
(06:42):
and that's what savings generally are. You had a plan,
you worked hard, you put a few dollars aside. Interestingly,
the numbers are depressing. This is where the question comes from.
There are three or thirty three thousand who earn each
year between one hundred and two hundred thousand dollars a
year nine thousand and more than two hundred thousand. Now
that's actually not a lot of people. It shows you
how poorly paid we are in this country, how bad
(07:03):
at saving we are, how expensive life is. To stop
your saving in the first place. Whole bunch of stuff
leads us to not being a very well off sort
of country. Personally, I've said this many many times. I'm
not fast to do whatever you want with superannuation. I
didn't join keyy Saber. I'm not relying on a pension.
Why Because when I started work in nineteen eighty two
it was very well established even then that the pension
(07:24):
may or may not be around at all. So why
take the risk in a nineteen eighty two as I
was on the minimum wage? As why, I basically worked
out I had forty fivesh years to get my act
together and do something about it. The problem with keeping
on asking these questions is it messes with people and
their intentions. Government has been bad enough already with their
constant changing of the rules and their contributions. Last thing
(07:44):
we need is thought bubbles on what should be really
a long term leave it alone, get out of the
way understanding among us all that the pension is our
society's recognition of a life's work. Change the age if
you want, but penalizing success is the opposite of what
we want to actually promote.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So I think we've aver sell us this week that
Mike's not a fan of people getting acc He's also
not a fan of them getting super He's real mean,
I reckon, Mike, what a meani a rerap?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's a question as old as time, well as old
as the internet. Anyway. Can you say and do what
you want on your own social media feeds or does
your employer have some kind of rain over that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
The Antoinette Latoofe case in Australia probably worth looking at
if you're interested in the media and in law. She
was sacked by the ABC because she posted an opinion
on the israel gars of war. No prizes for getting
which side she's on. The irony here is she was
on a five day fill in contract. She was a
no noise maker, so you can argue she probably should
not have even been hired in the first place because
(08:48):
public radio have these weird rules. You're not allowed an opinion,
or at least you need to pretend you're not have
an opinion. She was told not to post stuff socially.
She ignored that. So they're sector trouble is the Fair
Work Actor in Australia says you can't sack someone for
an opinion. Hence they lost. So they pay seventy thousand
dollars and there's another hearing at a later D eight four
pecuiary matters. Now this is bad for the ABC because one,
(09:10):
this isn't their first rodeo. They're a bit hopeless in
this area. Two, it's all taxpayers money. Three the Fair
Work Act isn't complicated, so they should have seen this
coming and bailed on the case early given the legals
to this point standard a million dollars in rising. But
it does once again bring into question in this absurd
business of so called impartiality or indeed impartiality in different places.
Miss latoof as far as I know, remembering she only
(09:32):
had a five day contract and I think she had
only completed two of the five days, didn't actually do
anything wrong on air at the ABC. Her social media
is not the domain of her part time employer, or
is it, And if it is, where's the line in
a social media world? What is work and what is
not When it comes to profile. Can you be pro
Palestinian on the weekend but neutral during the week This
(09:55):
is the absurdity of what we deal with authenticity, I
think is the key here. You can be balanced in
reportage and hold an overt view the same way you
can hold an overt view and be imbalanced. The great
fraud that has been exposed in media all over the world,
but especially here in the labor COVID years, is the
idea that you can pretend you hold no view and
whatever you produce is balanced, even when most of the
(10:17):
consumers see it for what it really is. That essentially
is why so much media and credibility has been destroyed.
And that's the stuff that didn't even make it to court.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, you see, this is why I don't go on
social media or indeed have any thoughts or opinions about anything.
It's Jassie.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah the re wrap.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I tell you who does have some pretty strong thoughts
and opinions about things, especially things that are happening in
New York City is Suran Mandani. Yeah. People seem to
love it.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Actually, I've got to get to this New York story
is not going to get covered here the way it should.
But I was deeply affected by being in San Francisco
a couple of years ago. I've been in San Francisco
a number of times and watched it over the years
basically disintegrate into what really is a third world backwater.
And it's been made to third world backwater by the
fact that they elected once again democracy. The fascinating subject
(11:07):
of they elect far left radicals who defund the police,
allow drugs to go rampant, crime to go rampant, and
everyone just basically packs up and leaves town. So I
was very sad to read yesterday from the Telegraph in
Britain the headline New York is flirting with an economic catastrophe,
and it looked as a result of the election yesterday
that catastrophe is about to come real. Zoran Mandami is
(11:31):
his name. And yesterday they had the primary for the
Democratic side of the equation for the New York meryoral race. Cuomo,
former governor Crooked, was making a comeback. He lost forty
four to thirty six. Just to explain briefly, they rank
candidates there, eleven of them. You get to rank your
top five in the first round forty four to thirty six.
(11:52):
He lost. He conceded defeat. They will now over the
next week count the rest. In other words, three four
and five distribute those votes around the place. Cuomo will
still have lost. This guy's won. Who is this guy? Well,
extra two percent income tax on anyone earning more than
a million bucks, is doubling down on rent control roles
that are already very tight, raises the minimum wage, pushes
up the city's top rate of the corporate tax, the
(12:13):
top federal tax from seven point twenty five to eleven
point five percent. He's going to launch government run grocery shops,
introduce free childcare across the city. He is from not
just the left, but the left of the left of
the left. It was endorsed by Bernie Sanders, Letitia James.
She's a very large black woman who's the attorney general
who was after Trump or Casio Cortez loves are cannot
(12:35):
get enough of this guy. So he looks to be
because New York's democratic city, the winner of a race
that's going to be held in November. The only saving
grace could be that Cuomo may probably won't but may
try to run as an independent. So New York will
be run by a radical nut job, and you look
(12:55):
to Portland, you look to San Francisco. He might be
about to watch a lot of business leave New York.
He might be about to watch a lot of New
Yorkers continue to leave New York and head to Florida.
He might be about to ruin one of the great
cities of the world. Hence, you should read the piece
yesterday from the Telegraph that it's on the edge New
York of a financial catastrophe. But it is democracy, and
(13:16):
they had the opportunity to vote for a radical nut
job yesterday and they blind up and they did so.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't think that he is a radical nut job.
I've listened to a long interview with him. If you
go to the if you just google up Chapo trap House,
Zoran Man, but actually just put zas for Zoran and
there's quite a long interview with him, and he actually
(13:45):
sounded like I mean, he's progressive. I've given him that,
and he's had a lot of ideas, and he's got
a lot of ideas about how to make those ideas
work rather than just having crazy ideas with no back
up to it. So, yeah, hear him out. That's all
I'm saying. Don't just take Mike Hoskins word for it
that he's a nutjob. Go and have a listen Boat
(14:08):
trap House Z is for Zoran and see what you think.
I am a clean hat. It's not my job to
promote other podcasts. It's my job to make sure you
come back here again tomorrow and listen to this one.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there, and welcome to the rewrap for Thursday. All
the best bits from the mic asking breakfast on news Dogs.
It'd be in a sillier package. I am then heart.
If I sound a little bit jaded, it's been a
busy old show behind the scenes this morning. You don't
need to know exactly what happened, but basically we had
to record a feature interview while playing back another interview,
(00:47):
and then the time of those interviews had to change,
and then we had to get another interview instead of
the one that we were doing initially. And while that
was happening, somebody else here had accidentally put a sixty
second silence into an ad break where there wasn't supposed
to be one. And basically, look, it's just been it's
been a long morning. But hopefully you're blissfully unaware of
(01:12):
all that, and you're more interested in hearing Mike talking
about superannuation for the ABC employment case in Australia or
maybe even the New York City mayoralty race. But before
any of that, the sort of the breaking news over
the morning was that FUNA has been partially funding the
(01:36):
Milana pacifica super twelve, well not super twelve, super raguy team,
which seems a bit strange.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So many texts coming in. I've missed the one that
I wanted to read, but it was about the business
of the America's Cup funding and for rich white guys.
What you've got to understand. The America's Cup funding was
for sport. It was a sporting event recognized as a
sporting event, if not a tourism event. This funding is
a welfare fund designed to uplift poor people in ethnic communities.
(02:08):
What that has to do with Ardi Savia running around
the field before he heads off to Japan, I don't know,
but it is our money and it's not tagged for sport,
the same way the four and a half million dollars
through m FAT was somehow tagged for a sport. When
foreign relations is it's all, there's something not right here.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Now when I watch Ardie Savvier running around on a
rugby field, I sort of feel better about myself, So
I guess you could argue they are health benefits and
if we feel better about sama. No, it's a long boat,
isn't it. It's rewrap and it just seems to be
a lot of the sort of stuff going on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Part of the problem, Mike is the public servants are
ignoring directives. I've said that, Judith. I think you're right.
I've said this on the program. I think that's increasingly
what it is now. You can, partially to a degree,
argue that Fanna Ora is one step removed. They're not
directly a government department. They are funded by the state,
but they're contracted to do certain things. And you've got
to ask yourself the question also the broader question. The
(03:12):
reason this is a story this morning, apart from the funding,
is specific a medical association their contract has been stopped.
Another version of pacific a medical association is the White
Perreira Trust, the famous White Parreira Trust, as headed by
John Tammerherrie. Of course they've lost their contract as well.
I believe he's taking them to court. I don't know
how you take the government to court over a contract
that you know, when you've got the money, you give
(03:34):
it to whoever you want. But you've got that aspect
of it as well. Without digging in even deeper hole.
I'm getting a lot of emails, and I can't work
out whether this is just a sort of a very minor,
broad based conspiracy by a few angsty people who spend
a lot of time on the email and send me
far too much correspondence. But section one two seven has
(03:55):
that triggered. You just listen to this section one to
section one two seven. This is education. We raised it
very briefly on the program the other day. This is
race based as well, and it's part of the it's
actually officially the Education and Training Amendment Bill number two,
which is in front of a select committee at the moment.
The claim from the many, many, many correspondents I get
is that this is race based. It's statyty, it's the
(04:19):
Treaty of Waitangi. It's what we're teaching kids in school,
and you're accusing Erica Stanford. The latest email this morning,
the most woke while everyone was distracted, National's wokeist minister
Erica Stanford. Where you get that from? I don't know,
quietly introduced a radical rewrite of our school governance laws
and now it has been pushed to a select committee
with barely a whisper of public attention. Education and Training
(04:41):
Amendment Bill number two. Changes buried within it, rewritten section
one two seven represent one of the boldest attempts yet
to enrich or in trench rather co governance and identity
politics in the classroom. Now, we went to Stanford's office
the other day and they said, that's not true. I've
read their explanation. If I can be honest, their explanation,
(05:06):
if I'm being generous, kind of makes sense. If I'm
being conspiratorial doesn't. So we'll probably need to get her
on the program tomorrow to get some clarification, because there's
clearly a frassant building up in the emailing community of
this country that we'll need to address. I'm worn out.
(05:30):
Can I just say that this on just like days
like this pissed me off, no end, not badly, but
I'm just sick of this country being the waiters. You see.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is what happens. One day Trump uses the F bomb,
the next day Mike ask me thinks he can say
piss off on the radio. It's a slippery slope.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm telling it, it's.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
A slippery slope. A rewraps not like it used to
be in the old days. Sounds like a retiree of
course I can't afford to be a retiree.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yet, unfortunately, from the we can't get out of our
own wavefile comes the question has posed this week by
the Retirement Commissioner as to whether the people who have
money in the banks get the pension. Now, the first
part that is wrong with that is I thought we
had decided many a decade ago, rightly or wrongly, super
is an entitlement. It's trigger rightly or wrongly is age. Therefore,
(06:21):
the other criteria that you might like to at a
later stage add to the equation. I don't know height, weight, job,
brain power or savings are null and void because age
is what triggers it. So are we changing that? Are
we all of a sudden because that's the inference in
the question. The inference is also this sneering socialist bent
that some people have around success. Well, don't be too successful,
(06:42):
and that's what savings generally are. You had a plan,
you worked hard, you put a few dollars aside. Interestingly,
the numbers are depressing. This is where the question comes from.
There are three or thirty three thousand who earn each
year between one hundred and two hundred thousand dollars a
year nine thousand and more than two hundred thousand. Now
that's actually not a lot of people. It shows you
how poorly paid we are in this country, how bad
(07:03):
at saving we are, how expensive life is. To stop
your saving in the first place. Whole bunch of stuff
leads us to not being a very well off sort
of country. Personally, I've said this many many times. I'm
not fast to do whatever you want with superannuation. I
didn't join keyy Saber. I'm not relying on a pension.
Why Because when I started work in nineteen eighty two
it was very well established even then that the pension
(07:24):
may or may not be around at all. So why
take the risk in a nineteen eighty two as I
was on the minimum wage? As why, I basically worked
out I had forty fivesh years to get my act
together and do something about it. The problem with keeping
on asking these questions is it messes with people and
their intentions. Government has been bad enough already with their
constant changing of the rules and their contributions. Last thing
(07:44):
we need is thought bubbles on what should be really
a long term leave it alone, get out of the
way understanding among us all that the pension is our
society's recognition of a life's work. Change the age if
you want, but penalizing success is the opposite of what
we want to actually promote.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
So I think we've aver sell us this week that
Mike's not a fan of people getting acc He's also
not a fan of them getting super He's real mean,
I reckon, Mike, what a meani a rerap?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's a question as old as time, well as old
as the internet. Anyway. Can you say and do what
you want on your own social media feeds or does
your employer have some kind of rain over that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
The Antoinette Latoofe case in Australia probably worth looking at
if you're interested in the media and in law. She
was sacked by the ABC because she posted an opinion
on the israel gars of war. No prizes for getting
which side she's on. The irony here is she was
on a five day fill in contract. She was a
no noise maker, so you can argue she probably should
not have even been hired in the first place because
(08:48):
public radio have these weird rules. You're not allowed an opinion,
or at least you need to pretend you're not have
an opinion. She was told not to post stuff socially.
She ignored that. So they're sector trouble is the Fair
Work Actor in Australia says you can't sack someone for
an opinion. Hence they lost. So they pay seventy thousand
dollars and there's another hearing at a later D eight four
pecuiary matters. Now this is bad for the ABC because one,
(09:10):
this isn't their first rodeo. They're a bit hopeless in
this area. Two, it's all taxpayers money. Three the Fair
Work Act isn't complicated, so they should have seen this
coming and bailed on the case early given the legals
to this point standard a million dollars in rising. But
it does once again bring into question in this absurd
business of so called impartiality or indeed impartiality in different places.
Miss latoof as far as I know, remembering she only
(09:32):
had a five day contract and I think she had
only completed two of the five days, didn't actually do
anything wrong on air at the ABC. Her social media
is not the domain of her part time employer, or
is it, And if it is, where's the line in
a social media world? What is work and what is
not When it comes to profile. Can you be pro
Palestinian on the weekend but neutral during the week This
(09:55):
is the absurdity of what we deal with authenticity, I
think is the key here. You can be balanced in
reportage and hold an overt view the same way you
can hold an overt view and be imbalanced. The great
fraud that has been exposed in media all over the world,
but especially here in the labor COVID years, is the
idea that you can pretend you hold no view and
whatever you produce is balanced, even when most of the
(10:17):
consumers see it for what it really is. That essentially
is why so much media and credibility has been destroyed.
And that's the stuff that didn't even make it to court.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, you see, this is why I don't go on
social media or indeed have any thoughts or opinions about anything.
It's Jassie.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah the re wrap.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I tell you who does have some pretty strong thoughts
and opinions about things, especially things that are happening in
New York City is Suran Mandani. Yeah. People seem to
love it.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Actually, I've got to get to this New York story
is not going to get covered here the way it should.
But I was deeply affected by being in San Francisco
a couple of years ago. I've been in San Francisco
a number of times and watched it over the years
basically disintegrate into what really is a third world backwater.
And it's been made to third world backwater by the
fact that they elected once again democracy. The fascinating subject
(11:07):
of they elect far left radicals who defund the police,
allow drugs to go rampant, crime to go rampant, and
everyone just basically packs up and leaves town. So I
was very sad to read yesterday from the Telegraph in
Britain the headline New York is flirting with an economic catastrophe,
and it looked as a result of the election yesterday
that catastrophe is about to come real. Zoran Mandami is
(11:31):
his name. And yesterday they had the primary for the
Democratic side of the equation for the New York meryoral race. Cuomo,
former governor Crooked, was making a comeback. He lost forty
four to thirty six. Just to explain briefly, they rank
candidates there, eleven of them. You get to rank your
top five in the first round forty four to thirty six.
(11:52):
He lost. He conceded defeat. They will now over the
next week count the rest. In other words, three four
and five distribute those votes around the place. Cuomo will
still have lost. This guy's won. Who is this guy? Well,
extra two percent income tax on anyone earning more than
a million bucks, is doubling down on rent control roles
that are already very tight, raises the minimum wage, pushes
up the city's top rate of the corporate tax, the
(12:13):
top federal tax from seven point twenty five to eleven
point five percent. He's going to launch government run grocery shops,
introduce free childcare across the city. He is from not
just the left, but the left of the left of
the left. It was endorsed by Bernie Sanders, Letitia James.
She's a very large black woman who's the attorney general
who was after Trump or Casio Cortez loves are cannot
(12:35):
get enough of this guy. So he looks to be
because New York's democratic city, the winner of a race
that's going to be held in November. The only saving
grace could be that Cuomo may probably won't but may
try to run as an independent. So New York will
be run by a radical nut job, and you look
(12:55):
to Portland, you look to San Francisco. He might be
about to watch a lot of business leave New York.
He might be about to watch a lot of New
Yorkers continue to leave New York and head to Florida.
He might be about to ruin one of the great
cities of the world. Hence, you should read the piece
yesterday from the Telegraph that it's on the edge New
York of a financial catastrophe. But it is democracy, and
(13:16):
they had the opportunity to vote for a radical nut
job yesterday and they blind up and they did so.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I don't think that he is a radical nut job.
I've listened to a long interview with him. If you
go to the if you just google up Chapo trap House,
Zoran Man, but actually just put zas for Zoran and
there's quite a long interview with him, and he actually
(13:45):
sounded like I mean, he's progressive. I've given him that,
and he's had a lot of ideas, and he's got
a lot of ideas about how to make those ideas
work rather than just having crazy ideas with no back
up to it. So, yeah, hear him out. That's all
I'm saying. Don't just take Mike Hoskins word for it
that he's a nutjob. Go and have a listen Boat
(14:08):
trap House Z is for Zoran and see what you think.
I am a clean hat. It's not my job to
promote other podcasts. It's my job to make sure you
come back here again tomorrow and listen to this one.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I'll see you there For more from News Talk zed B.
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