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August 6, 2025 13 mins

THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Except We Aren't/Funk Is Relative/RUC-o-Rama/Leaving School Isn't Necessarily the Worst Thing In the World

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
O, Good Idea and Welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday,
all the best bits from the mic asking breakfast on
News Talks. He'd be in a sillier package. I'm Glen
Heart and Today House Shane Jones sees the economy whether
it lines up with the way Mike Hosking looks at it.
This whole supermarket competition thing, It's just a continuing handbringing exercise,

(00:50):
isn't it raps? Everybody's going to have a rack And
we've got people leaving school without any kind of qualification whatsoever.
Shock horror. But before any of that, grocery prices apparently
spiraling out of control.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Does the headline feed the narrative, and having brought into
the narrative, we're all in a funk. So my new
fixation this week is Australia and their consumer confidence, which
you can mount a half decent cases based on little
or nothing, thus leading you to conclude that they simply
want to feel good about themselves, whereas we don't. Yesterday,
a couple of things, the jobless rate, five point two
not bad, They said it would be five point three things. Well,

(01:31):
surely you can be upbeat about that. Then, mind you
Australia's four point two. That's material and at least to
some extent, undermines my argument anyway. The other thing yesterday
the Commerce Commission and yet more supermarket bagging headline New
Zealand grocery price is higher than OECD average. EGO, go
to town on that a rip? What a scam, Go
get them nickeler. But the gap is closing. Good news,

(01:53):
it's only three percent higher than the average. And besides
the figures, I don't know if this was reported widely,
but the figures from twenty twenty three, now here's the
real gold. Auckland said the Commas Commission had more competition,
no consumers in small towns and rural localities typically had
minimal or no choice. You see why we need expos
because surely we could never worked that out for ourselves anyway.

(02:13):
So if competition had a real tangible effect on prices,
Auckland should be laughing because the major players and supermarkets
in Auckland have seventy one percent of the market, but
eighty eight percent round the rest of the country, So
is Auckland laughing. No, it isn't why because this obsession
the Commerce Commission has along with Nikola is all theory.
Would another player in a place like ha Hai see

(02:34):
some competition in a few more discounts? Sure, but most
of us, and by the way, ninety percent of us
live within ten minutes of a major supermarket. We have
choice and a lot of it. The three percent they
talk of in relation to the OECD, which is probably
closed anyway given the age of the data, could just
be where five million people at the bottom of the
world with a geographically tricky population layout, but get a

(02:56):
good headline and then it's an instant funk.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah. So we had a news story today that we've
got the fifth highest growth three bill in the developed world,
which didn't ring true for me. Looked at the report
that they were referring to and it was quoting numbers
from twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, so not
really that up to date. And when I just sort

(03:22):
of asked the internet, you know who, to rank countries
by their grocebery prices, I very quickly found a site
that had us in eighteenth place, well behind countries like Australia,
the United States and so forth. I'm just sick of
statistics because you can usually find something to back your argument.

(03:44):
Can you a number?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
The rewrap?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Anyway? Are we how funky? Are we feeling? As Jones
feeling funky?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Change Jones for us becoming my favorite politician? Might have
summed up the government's issues with one of his increasingly
famous quips. Here's what he said. The Ruth Richardson bear
austerity approach is not delivering the economic growth we need?
Is he right? I think it's right. Isn't he classic
liberal politics? Trim and cut not the mess of bomb
we need. So as Chris Bishop yesterday was offering more

(04:15):
detail on these ruck charges and a move away from
petrol taxes, all which is fine. Shane has made Winston.
We're wandering around Marsden Point and talking about making it
a special economic zone, tax treatment incentives to get people
to invest new things. Marsden's got land, they got a
port close to the shipping lands, et cetera. Ireland have
made these things famous. So cut a deal on rates
or tax, bring them on and stoke them on up

(04:35):
watch the growth explode image might be a problem. Shane
and Winston, both of course come from well Marsden, so
it's a bit you nepotistic, but the idea is sound.
Shane is also this week, if you've missed it, announced
a massive uphevil and fishing, biggest in decades. So it's
the big stuff that we may need because the regular
size stuff clearly hasn't provided the heft we had hoped for. Yes, yes,

(04:56):
yes they inherited a mess. I get all that, but
the results are what count and as that changed the
laws this week on round garden sheds and Nicola talks
about supermarkets. Yet again, it might just be ideas beyond
our normal comprehension are what are actually needed for the
irony of the Jones idea is it's not part of
the coalition deal. You could ask the question, and indeed
I am why not? Is the Ruth Richardson line an

(05:19):
acceptance that what they thought would work hasn't and isn't
another irony. I'm not sure how Shane and Winston can
wand around Marsden by the way Blues skying their way
out of recession when it's them that's holding up the
foreigners from buying a house after they invested tens of
millions of dollars into the country, but credit where credit
is due. Jones seems to have taken on the mantle
of the gas kicker. He is where a lot of

(05:40):
us are at the moment. This is not a bad government,
far from it. It's perhaps just a timid government. And
with October twenty six and the ballot box getting closer,
maybe we need to shift it up a year.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Minister of kicking ass and taking names? Eh, does he
supervised with the fast tracking bannicle scraping, rolling thunder ditch
out of the car, out of the ditch? I mean,
does he take over all that as well? That's quite
a cool portfolio, ask kicker rewrap. Actually, let's just go

(06:16):
back to the supermarkets for a moment. I don't know why.
I've just got some audio here, may as well play it.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
How hard would it be for Nicola to give big
incentives for eld to come and work with the warehouse
to enter the grocery market. The question is not a
bad question, Michelle, in the sense that I don't know
what else she can do. I'm Nikola and I are
butting heads a little bit about her fascination with the supermarkets.
I don't believe there's the scandal. She thinks there is.
The Commerce Commission. Broadly thinking speaking, I think her on

(06:45):
her side, but she hasn't pulled any sort of trigger.
What she has done so far is deregulate a bunch
of stuff, or at least promise to deregulate a bunch
of stuff. So if Eldie wants to come to the
country and they want to buy bunches of land and
they want to build bunches of shops, they can go
to what I understand to be sort of a clearing house,
a government clearing house, and they'll take all those boxes

(07:06):
at once. You go, hello, I'm from Eldie. I want
to do a whole bunch of stuff around the country
and be a big supermarket competitor. They'll go, welcome to
New Zealand. Here's the paperwork. It's already filled out. Just
sign here, and all the regulations and stuff have been
taken care of so share. It's not like she hasn't
been trying to get people on board. But here's where
we go back to the theory versus reality. It's not

(07:26):
like the world hasn't seen New Zealand. You know this Ikea.
I'm reading yesterday what was it called yesterday? In Ikea?
They're bringing the bookshelf, the Billy Bob bookshelf, or whatever
the hell that is, as though you're supposed to know
what that is. The point being ike has been coming
to this country and has been given the most astonishing
amount of media coverage for something that hasn't opened. They

(07:48):
announced they were coming here first in nineteen twelve and
the Herald were all over it, and they've been running
along with their atmosphere and clickbait warnings with the weather.
They've been running stories on Ikea for every year since then,
and they're still not open. And here's the point. Eldie
know New Zealand, they know where it is. They've got
a map, they've had a look at it, they've gone.

(08:08):
I wonder if there's a gap for us in the market.
I wonder if we couldn't make an impression. I wonder
if we, if we spent a bit of money, did
a bit of marketing, whether we couldn't grab a bit
of market share the same way. Do you reckon the
warehouse has done that? I think they probably have. Do
you think the warehouse have got some money the ability
to scale up, the ability to have a brand in
the marketplace that you understand already, Yes, yes, yes, and yes,

(08:30):
so us answer me this, Why aren't therefore so scale supermarket?
Could it possibly be that there just isn't enough room
in the market to make the same way there isn't
enough room in the market for two airlines. Where we
like two airlines, yes, would we like three or four
or five airlines?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Are we going to get them? No, we're not. So
theory intersecting with the wonderful world of reeves.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And also, when you do find something that's a bit cheaper,
you know, it's the gummy max, but it's not a
gummy mix that you've ever heard of before. And the
jet planes taste exactly the same as the snakes, and
they're not so that's supposed to are they? You know,
it might be a bit cheaper. It's all sugar, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
So re wrap?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right? It looks like we're in for a rack a rama,
aren't we. The thing that really annoys me about the
rucks is that people keep saying rack charges, which is
a double up of the charge the road user charge charges.
Please don't say that that's all I ask.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Now, I didn't pick him up on it at the AA,
but watch this space. When you mentioned the three and
a half tons, which is the current rule around you know,
above all below three and a half tons, I would
not be surprised if the government breaks it down further.
And so they're going to run you on miles as
well as weight. They're going to have to get into
the business of how much cars weighs as opposed to trucks.

(09:56):
And so I wouldn't be surprised if the government do
a one ton, one point three tons, one point six tons,
two tons, two and a half tons and do it
that way, and so all of a sudden, the weight
of your car is going to be material as well
as how many miles you're gonna Remember this is all
about raising revenue, So make no mistake. This has got
nothing to do with anything other than raising revenue. And
if they can do it through weight and miles, remember

(10:18):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
They don't want it. They don't want us to be
paying the same amount that we're paying now through petrol decks.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
They correct.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
And I don't think that was picked up yesterday either.
We're all got fascinated by the mechanism All this is
is a revenue raise beginning middle an end. And if
they can sting you and go, well, your beb's two
and a half tons plus you do ten thousand k's
a year, Guess what we've got for you.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's kind of the opposite of what they always say
about GST, isn't it. They always defend GST saying, well,
you know, it's across the board. It's one tax. It
makes us so much simpler than the tax systems in
other countries. And then they go and do this, which
is going to make the charges we have to pay

(10:59):
to do with our cars the most complicated thing ever.
You have to get out your boom and slide rule
in your abicus and your scientific calculator to work it
all out. All I know is I looked up how
heavy my car is. I was surprised by how heavy
it was, and then I found out it wasn't nearly
as heavy as Sam's gar our executive producers. I didn't
feel so bad the rerap. It turns out heaps of

(11:21):
kids are leaving school without any qualifications, so we're going
to have to sound the alarms again. Well as when
you sound the alarm at school sometimes it just sounds
like lunchtime, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
This is the story that seemingly everyone's missing. And I
don't know if you're not worried about this, I don't
know what there is to worry about. Sixteen percent of kids'
latest numbers, sixteen percent of kids left school with no
qualifications none. So on one hand, we're fixating about the
jobless numbers and going, well, no, and get a job. Well,
half of them can't get a job because they they

(11:52):
haven't got a clue, because they haven't got a qualification,
they can't participate sixteen percent. So that's the highest figure
in a decade. It's a disaster. Thirteen percent of last
year's leabers had not reached literacy or numerousy benchmarks. One
percent of last year's leave it has stayed at school
until the age of seventeen year beyond. That's up a bit,

(12:12):
So that's encouraging Mariy the worst. Unsurprisingly, twenty eight percent
left with no qualification at all. Twenty eight percent left
with no qualification at all to go to a place
like Toatukara, it's twenty percent. I mean, what hope is
there for this country if we're still letting kids walk
out the gate with nothing. What was the point of

(12:35):
going to school? Formanton and bet you half the problems
half of them didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Again, that's not a new question, that whole what's the
point of going to school? It's certainly a question I
asked every day that I went to school, and that
was a million billion years ago. And I know heaps
of people who stopped going to school without qualifications. And
the reason that they stopped going to school without qualifications
is because they had a job and they thought, well,

(13:01):
there's no point going to school when I could be
out here making money. So I'm not quite sure. Once again,
we come back to the statistics thing, don't we like
have they done the follow up on that? Do they
know how many of these unqualified school leavers left and
instead of going on the benefit went straight into work.

(13:22):
I am Glen Hart. I am not qualified to do this,
but I'm doing it anyway. I'll see you back here again.

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