July 29, 2024 • 14 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) A Wonderful Welcome/It's All In the Preparation/Hosk VS the Waitangi Tribunal. Again/There Must Be a Way to Own/Vegan Village a Step Too Far
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Tuesday. All
the best bits from the mic husting Breakfast on Newstalks.
They'd be in a sillier package. I am Glen harton today,
the little software package that couldn't Wide Tangy Tribunal not
more white tonguy dry Bournal stuffs that one man's crusade
I e. MIC hostings crusade against the white Tangy croube
(00:47):
Bunal continues home ownership. A word on that and a
word on the athletes village, the vegan village, which is
a bit too bet free for some of the athletes liking.
But before ayar that, what are all these parties going
on in the public service? And how come we have
to pay for them?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
To the team months past seven, Speaking of speaking of
functions and money, this business, Cape McNamara strikes again in
the Herald Well done her film commission. There's something not
right with the public service. You've got to be of
a certain ilk to work in the public service, and
so many people have been laid off thousands and thousands
of people have been laid off meantime. At the New
Zealand Film Commission, a couple of parties. It's party time
(01:27):
at the Film Commission sixteen four hundred and thirty one
dollars worth of parties. Two parties, eight thousand dollars A
party eight thousand, two hundred dollars A party incoming. CEO
Annie Murray needed a party eight thousand, six hundred and
twenty seven dollars for her party. There was a person leaving.
I'm not against a person leaving, especially a long serving,
well respected person leaving. You have a party, nothing wrong
with that. I get it. Venue higher. But she had
(01:49):
two parties. She had won in Auckland, w One and Wellington.
You just go around the country. When I leave here,
I well, first, well, I'm not going to have a
party as a hate party.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I will have a party.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
You have a party, You have a party. You just
won't be there exactly. They'll be celebrating me leaving. But
having said that, you won't be all over the country.
And this is where the public service go dreadfully wrong.
When you hire chef Can, I can almost say categorically
that we don't do chefs here?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, when you leave, will it not be like you
know that time when we won the America's cap and
then they had like parades in different towns in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And you know, modesty prevents me from talking about those
details at this particular point in time. But not far wrong.
Glyn staff cost nineteen hundred and twenty eight alcohol, eleven
hundred and seventy eight catering airfares up and down the country.
But this welcome to the workplace thing worries the Bejesus
out of me. A party to say you've arrived? What's
(02:44):
going on there in the public service that you can
even begin to justify this?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Or like the Rugby World Cup, you know, and there'll
be a big burnie man who wears white gloves to
handle mic hosking to make sure he doesn't get damaged
when they drive down the main street of why we're good,
you know, whye hock are our? It'll be a you'll
(03:08):
go everywhere re wrap. So yeah, more public service weirdness
going on. Why do we need our own software when
any old software can do this is a weird one.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
This goes back to and it was a Dorn who
packed a big sad when she couldn't get a proper connection.
So this was apeck. No technical capability to this twenty
twenty one, no technical capability to get a Microsoft team's
call up running with world leaders you might remember it.
So it sort of made the story at the time
cause the durn to voice who had annoyance. She was
(03:45):
pretty eft off. One source set a Mickey mouse set
up from m FAT. So they start this thirty three
million dollar mb cloud it project, which nearly tripled in
costs since twenty twenty one. It's a failure for all
of its existence. A workaround was eventually found after she complained.
Inquiries into what had gone wrong led to the creation
(04:06):
of a whole new project. People close to the resulting
cloud project did not have much positive to say about
that experience. One source referring to their time on infat's
cloud project as quote the single worst experience in my
entire professional career. The report's release prompted m FACT to
apologize for the mismanagement of public funds. It's just thirty
(04:29):
three million dollars, don't worry about it. The estimate in
July of twenty one, nine point three four to eight
million in its earlier stages, revised to thirteen point five
million in May of twenty two. By June of last year,
it was estimated to be sixteen point seven two million.
Further estimates of the project's budget had ballooned to thirty
three million dollars. So what started out at nine ended
(04:52):
at thirty three before the whole thing. It's very inter
irel and fairy, isn't it, And we're trying to mop
all this stuff up.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I am constantly amazed at how much money is spent
in sort of looking into making things can actually make
the thing. Usually I just go out and get the
things and make the thing. I painted the bathroom all
the other day. I didn't spend one hundred bucks looking
(05:22):
into asking people about it. I just went and bought
some paint and a roller. I got the wrong size roller,
to be fair, it was too big. It was too
big for my roller, you know, it was just the
roller out there I bought. It was a three pack
on specially. I thought that's great, And then I got
(05:43):
them home and my roller was not as wide as
the rollers i'd bought, which didn't really matter. I could
still put them on that roller. And they still kind
of worked. But then my paint tray was also a
little bit too narrow for it as well, So yeah,
only got a bit complicated the rolling of the paint.
But I bought a really nice cutting in brush though
I don't know why I've gone down this road anyway,
(06:05):
the wall looks pretty good. Use the wrong kind of
masking and it was the other thing, and I took
a bit of paint off the other wall that I
wasn't painting, So now I'm going to have to fix
that up. I wish I'd spent some money looking into
it beforehand. Rewrap right, Mike once no more money's been
on the White tang Tribunal.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I think that's pretty clear now. The White Tangy Tribunal
strikes again at a time when the office looks that
actually you know, looks after the money that gets handed
out to the Maori to head off to court. They're
in real trouble financially because they've basically run out of money.
The Tribunal is busy though at the same time, pumping
out report after report, costing the Lord knows how much
to achieve virtually nothing. The latest report deals with the
(06:44):
government actions around tomorrow's schools review, in which the Tribunal
has decided they breached treaty principles. Now, the report, by
the way, is a first in the sense it's printed
entirely in Maury. There are English versions of chapters three
through seven apparently, which is very nice of them. But
the approach gives you some indication of where their heads
and the world viewer is at. It also deals with
the review that happened over the period twenty eighteen to
(07:06):
twenty twenty two. So a couple of things about that.
That was another government. That government is no longer running
the place, So what was it the Tribunal was expecting
labor to do about all. The second fairly significant point
is that not only does it deal with the government
that no longer exists, it, like all its other reports,
is not binding. In other words, it's an opinion and
that's about it. So given what we saw last week
(07:27):
from the government with the customary rights decision by the
Court of Appeal, which is an actual court that makes
binding decisions, you've got to wonder just how hard the
Tribunal is pushing the envelope and asking for trouble. All
of this, of course, is taxpayer funded and in a
country that is less than no money and the purse
strings are constantly looking to be tightened. How much longer
can urgent hearings be held that offer taxpayer funded opinions
(07:48):
with little of any standing and deal to a time
that has passed with absolutely no chance of anything coming
out of it at all. The tribunal fifty years ago
set up to deal with historic grievance made some sense
and did some good work and righted some very large wrongs.
The modern day whack a mole port gravy train isn't
(08:10):
so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Was whack a mole ever something that we ever really
did here in New Zealand? Or do it? Is it
something we just know about from watching American movies and television?
Once again I got disted distracted by an unusual turn
of phrase. We know what he means? Well, I hope
we do. I hope people don't think that people are
(08:32):
just going around whacking moles, because that's like saying I
do it around a park. Rewrap it right. So home ownership,
Mike Hosking is in favor of it. Once more of it?
Are we going to be able to do it?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Home ownership home ownership stat if you haven't seen them
look really bad or do they Ownerships drop below sixty percent,
that's the lowest since nineteen forty five. By twenty forty eight,
it's claimed they will drop another ten percent, which of
course means there will be more renters than there are owners.
So here's the trouble with all of this. The coverage
is written up as though it's bad news. The inference
(09:07):
is owning is good, renting is bad, and that is
because well, that is the way it has always been.
It's only bad if we decide it's bad. People who
don't own a home want to own one but can't.
Also within that category are the ones who want to
but can't, but in reality we're never going to be
able to versus the ones who should be able to
but can't. See lots of things that play here. I mean,
(09:27):
do you buy a home so you can build wealth
or just because it's more fun to own than rent
and you can paint the walls any color you want.
How many people who could own but don't because they
don't get to live where they want or have the
quality of house they would like. What role had the
banks played in all of this? With deposits and loan
to income ratio is what role does the government play
and rules around key you saber and first home loans
and grants? How many people who can't afford a home
(09:49):
are in Auckland or Queenstown or Toweronga and locked out
because the markets are different to everywhere else in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
See.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
The ownership is not a right, but it shouldn't be
a privilege. It should be hard like it has always been,
but doable if you really want it. Banks are looking
at new products like group loans, split ownership, rent to
buy looks like a decent eye The long term rental
projects where you sign up to rent for thirty years
could be an answer for those not obsessed about ownership. See.
(10:14):
I could suggest a lot of major cities all over
the world, from Rome to New York are not affordable
and haven't been for decades. But in New Zealand we
like to think we're a bit different, more egalitarian maybe
though the simple truth as we aren't. And this is
the future, whether you welcome it or not.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Certainly, if there's any way I can get my young
adults to get it into a house, I don't care
if they rent, if they buy what the arrangement is.
I just need them to go away from me, get
out of my house, and then we can downsize, change
(10:50):
the locks, move countries. I don't know. That's got to
happen somehow. We've got to make that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Happen for re wrap.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Speaking of accommodation, So there's concerns about the athlete's village
in Paris. What are those concerns. Here's Mike to outline them.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Mike the French obtained of the whole affair with ideological idiocy.
There's an element of truth to that, because I'm reading
a report this morning out of Australia. The Olympic village
is turning into a major, major problem the vegan diets.
There's a lot of vegan in there, and a lot
of athletes don't actually like vegan, indeed want vegan, or
as far as your dietary requirements are concerned, their body
(11:33):
needs something more than that. There's a lot of green
washing going on. So there's a lot of complaints not
only about the food, but the cardboard beds and the
transport that doesn't get them to where they want to go.
Australia's brought their own air conditioning units brought their own
chefs and barristas Cocoa Goff and her fellow tennis's. They
checked out and went into a hotel for regular food,
(11:54):
widely reported to be dominated by the vegan diet. And
if you're not vegan, you're not interested.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Anyw weird situation, isn't it? In many ways? I was
listening to the woman who was Lulu's songs doubles partner.
They'd lost by the way and the tennis but before
they lost, before it all started, she was talking about
(12:19):
how she didn't really know Lulu that was now going
to play doubles with her, and then suddenly they're rooming
together like they're flatmates, and that funny. It's weird situation.
It's like going on school camp all of a sudden,
(12:39):
these professional athletes, and I mean, good on them for
having the vegan options, because you know that that complain
if they didn't have them. But it seems like you
can't have it both ways. Too much vegan not enough.
I don't know what's happening. I don't know so much
(12:59):
about the I don't understand I'm watching the surfing at
the moment. I don't know how they score it. I
don't know why there are more New Zealand judges than
surfers and our bloke has not gone through as well,
and that either since to be the story of the
Olympics so far. That's not going through. Come on the
Blackburn sevens, I say. Anyway, lots of Australian blokes seem
(13:25):
to be doing quite well on the surfing, and you
just have to I've got to become an expert in
these things. So I can then tell Mike and he
can say with great authority that the Australian ewing he's
up over the Japanese contest and O'Leary and in round three,
(13:46):
Heat eight of the surfing right now. See see you
sound like you know what you're talking about. This has
gone on very long time. I'm going to stop At'll
see back.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
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You're listening to a podcast from news Talk zed be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Tuesday. All
the best bits from the mic husting Breakfast on Newstalks.
They'd be in a sillier package. I am Glen harton today,
the little software package that couldn't Wide Tangy Tribunal not
more white tonguy dry Bournal stuffs that one man's crusade
I e. MIC hostings crusade against the white Tangy croube
(00:47):
Bunal continues home ownership. A word on that and a
word on the athletes village, the vegan village, which is
a bit too bet free for some of the athletes liking.
But before ayar that, what are all these parties going
on in the public service? And how come we have
to pay for them?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
To the team months past seven, Speaking of speaking of
functions and money, this business, Cape McNamara strikes again in
the Herald Well done her film commission. There's something not
right with the public service. You've got to be of
a certain ilk to work in the public service, and
so many people have been laid off thousands and thousands
of people have been laid off meantime. At the New
Zealand Film Commission, a couple of parties. It's party time
(01:27):
at the Film Commission sixteen four hundred and thirty one
dollars worth of parties. Two parties, eight thousand dollars A
party eight thousand, two hundred dollars A party incoming. CEO
Annie Murray needed a party eight thousand, six hundred and
twenty seven dollars for her party. There was a person leaving.
I'm not against a person leaving, especially a long serving,
well respected person leaving. You have a party, nothing wrong
with that. I get it. Venue higher. But she had
(01:49):
two parties. She had won in Auckland, w One and Wellington.
You just go around the country. When I leave here,
I well, first, well, I'm not going to have a
party as a hate party.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I will have a party.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
You have a party, You have a party. You just
won't be there exactly. They'll be celebrating me leaving. But
having said that, you won't be all over the country.
And this is where the public service go dreadfully wrong.
When you hire chef Can, I can almost say categorically
that we don't do chefs here?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, when you leave, will it not be like you
know that time when we won the America's cap and
then they had like parades in different towns in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And you know, modesty prevents me from talking about those
details at this particular point in time. But not far wrong.
Glyn staff cost nineteen hundred and twenty eight alcohol, eleven
hundred and seventy eight catering airfares up and down the country.
But this welcome to the workplace thing worries the Bejesus
out of me. A party to say you've arrived? What's
(02:44):
going on there in the public service that you can
even begin to justify this?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Or like the Rugby World Cup, you know, and there'll
be a big burnie man who wears white gloves to
handle mic hosking to make sure he doesn't get damaged
when they drive down the main street of why we're good,
you know, whye hock are our? It'll be a you'll
(03:08):
go everywhere re wrap. So yeah, more public service weirdness
going on. Why do we need our own software when
any old software can do this is a weird one.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
This goes back to and it was a Dorn who
packed a big sad when she couldn't get a proper connection.
So this was apeck. No technical capability to this twenty
twenty one, no technical capability to get a Microsoft team's
call up running with world leaders you might remember it.
So it sort of made the story at the time
cause the durn to voice who had annoyance. She was
(03:45):
pretty eft off. One source set a Mickey mouse set
up from m FAT. So they start this thirty three
million dollar mb cloud it project, which nearly tripled in
costs since twenty twenty one. It's a failure for all
of its existence. A workaround was eventually found after she complained.
Inquiries into what had gone wrong led to the creation
(04:06):
of a whole new project. People close to the resulting
cloud project did not have much positive to say about
that experience. One source referring to their time on infat's
cloud project as quote the single worst experience in my
entire professional career. The report's release prompted m FACT to
apologize for the mismanagement of public funds. It's just thirty
(04:29):
three million dollars, don't worry about it. The estimate in
July of twenty one, nine point three four to eight
million in its earlier stages, revised to thirteen point five
million in May of twenty two. By June of last year,
it was estimated to be sixteen point seven two million.
Further estimates of the project's budget had ballooned to thirty
three million dollars. So what started out at nine ended
(04:52):
at thirty three before the whole thing. It's very inter
irel and fairy, isn't it, And we're trying to mop
all this stuff up.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I am constantly amazed at how much money is spent
in sort of looking into making things can actually make
the thing. Usually I just go out and get the
things and make the thing. I painted the bathroom all
the other day. I didn't spend one hundred bucks looking
(05:22):
into asking people about it. I just went and bought
some paint and a roller. I got the wrong size roller,
to be fair, it was too big. It was too
big for my roller, you know, it was just the
roller out there I bought. It was a three pack
on specially. I thought that's great, And then I got
(05:43):
them home and my roller was not as wide as
the rollers i'd bought, which didn't really matter. I could
still put them on that roller. And they still kind
of worked. But then my paint tray was also a
little bit too narrow for it as well, So yeah,
only got a bit complicated the rolling of the paint.
But I bought a really nice cutting in brush though
I don't know why I've gone down this road anyway,
(06:05):
the wall looks pretty good. Use the wrong kind of
masking and it was the other thing, and I took
a bit of paint off the other wall that I
wasn't painting, So now I'm going to have to fix
that up. I wish I'd spent some money looking into
it beforehand. Rewrap right, Mike once no more money's been
on the White tang Tribunal.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I think that's pretty clear now. The White Tangy Tribunal
strikes again at a time when the office looks that
actually you know, looks after the money that gets handed
out to the Maori to head off to court. They're
in real trouble financially because they've basically run out of money.
The Tribunal is busy though at the same time, pumping
out report after report, costing the Lord knows how much
to achieve virtually nothing. The latest report deals with the
(06:44):
government actions around tomorrow's schools review, in which the Tribunal
has decided they breached treaty principles. Now, the report, by
the way, is a first in the sense it's printed
entirely in Maury. There are English versions of chapters three
through seven apparently, which is very nice of them. But
the approach gives you some indication of where their heads
and the world viewer is at. It also deals with
the review that happened over the period twenty eighteen to
(07:06):
twenty twenty two. So a couple of things about that.
That was another government. That government is no longer running
the place, So what was it the Tribunal was expecting
labor to do about all. The second fairly significant point
is that not only does it deal with the government
that no longer exists, it, like all its other reports,
is not binding. In other words, it's an opinion and
that's about it. So given what we saw last week
(07:27):
from the government with the customary rights decision by the
Court of Appeal, which is an actual court that makes
binding decisions, you've got to wonder just how hard the
Tribunal is pushing the envelope and asking for trouble. All
of this, of course, is taxpayer funded and in a
country that is less than no money and the purse
strings are constantly looking to be tightened. How much longer
can urgent hearings be held that offer taxpayer funded opinions
(07:48):
with little of any standing and deal to a time
that has passed with absolutely no chance of anything coming
out of it at all. The tribunal fifty years ago
set up to deal with historic grievance made some sense
and did some good work and righted some very large wrongs.
The modern day whack a mole port gravy train isn't
(08:10):
so inspiring.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Was whack a mole ever something that we ever really
did here in New Zealand? Or do it? Is it
something we just know about from watching American movies and television?
Once again I got disted distracted by an unusual turn
of phrase. We know what he means? Well, I hope
we do. I hope people don't think that people are
(08:32):
just going around whacking moles, because that's like saying I
do it around a park. Rewrap it right. So home ownership,
Mike Hosking is in favor of it. Once more of it?
Are we going to be able to do it?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Home ownership home ownership stat if you haven't seen them
look really bad or do they Ownerships drop below sixty percent,
that's the lowest since nineteen forty five. By twenty forty eight,
it's claimed they will drop another ten percent, which of
course means there will be more renters than there are owners.
So here's the trouble with all of this. The coverage
is written up as though it's bad news. The inference
(09:07):
is owning is good, renting is bad, and that is
because well, that is the way it has always been.
It's only bad if we decide it's bad. People who
don't own a home want to own one but can't.
Also within that category are the ones who want to
but can't, but in reality we're never going to be
able to versus the ones who should be able to
but can't. See lots of things that play here. I mean,
(09:27):
do you buy a home so you can build wealth
or just because it's more fun to own than rent
and you can paint the walls any color you want.
How many people who could own but don't because they
don't get to live where they want or have the
quality of house they would like. What role had the
banks played in all of this? With deposits and loan
to income ratio is what role does the government play
and rules around key you saber and first home loans
and grants? How many people who can't afford a home
(09:49):
are in Auckland or Queenstown or Toweronga and locked out
because the markets are different to everywhere else in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
See.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
The ownership is not a right, but it shouldn't be
a privilege. It should be hard like it has always been,
but doable if you really want it. Banks are looking
at new products like group loans, split ownership, rent to
buy looks like a decent eye The long term rental
projects where you sign up to rent for thirty years
could be an answer for those not obsessed about ownership. See.
(10:14):
I could suggest a lot of major cities all over
the world, from Rome to New York are not affordable
and haven't been for decades. But in New Zealand we
like to think we're a bit different, more egalitarian maybe
though the simple truth as we aren't. And this is
the future, whether you welcome it or not.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Certainly, if there's any way I can get my young
adults to get it into a house, I don't care
if they rent, if they buy what the arrangement is.
I just need them to go away from me, get
out of my house, and then we can downsize, change
(10:50):
the locks, move countries. I don't know. That's got to
happen somehow. We've got to make that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Happen for re wrap.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Speaking of accommodation, So there's concerns about the athlete's village
in Paris. What are those concerns. Here's Mike to outline them.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Mike the French obtained of the whole affair with ideological idiocy.
There's an element of truth to that, because I'm reading
a report this morning out of Australia. The Olympic village
is turning into a major, major problem the vegan diets.
There's a lot of vegan in there, and a lot
of athletes don't actually like vegan, indeed want vegan, or
as far as your dietary requirements are concerned, their body
(11:33):
needs something more than that. There's a lot of green
washing going on. So there's a lot of complaints not
only about the food, but the cardboard beds and the
transport that doesn't get them to where they want to go.
Australia's brought their own air conditioning units brought their own
chefs and barristas Cocoa Goff and her fellow tennis's. They
checked out and went into a hotel for regular food,
(11:54):
widely reported to be dominated by the vegan diet. And
if you're not vegan, you're not interested.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Anyw weird situation, isn't it? In many ways? I was
listening to the woman who was Lulu's songs doubles partner.
They'd lost by the way and the tennis but before
they lost, before it all started, she was talking about
(12:19):
how she didn't really know Lulu that was now going
to play doubles with her, and then suddenly they're rooming
together like they're flatmates, and that funny. It's weird situation.
It's like going on school camp all of a sudden,
(12:39):
these professional athletes, and I mean, good on them for
having the vegan options, because you know that that complain
if they didn't have them. But it seems like you
can't have it both ways. Too much vegan not enough.
I don't know what's happening. I don't know so much
(12:59):
about the I don't understand I'm watching the surfing at
the moment. I don't know how they score it. I
don't know why there are more New Zealand judges than
surfers and our bloke has not gone through as well,
and that either since to be the story of the
Olympics so far. That's not going through. Come on the
Blackburn sevens, I say. Anyway, lots of Australian blokes seem
(13:25):
to be doing quite well on the surfing, and you
just have to I've got to become an expert in
these things. So I can then tell Mike and he
can say with great authority that the Australian ewing he's
up over the Japanese contest and O'Leary and in round three,
(13:46):
Heat eight of the surfing right now. See see you
sound like you know what you're talking about. This has
gone on very long time. I'm going to stop At'll
see back.
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