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Eight is Z and we're talking about why is.
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This generation more anxious than previous ones, but also what
are the biggest issues in children's health today? And before six,
of course we'll be wrapping sport previewing, well not previewing
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we'll be having a look at probably the last few
minutes of that and telling us how it went.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is eight past.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Three, insightful, entertaining and always on points. Tim Beveridge on
the Weekend Collective News talks'.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
B yes, right into it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Look and it's time for our panel and in no
particular order. The age before beauty is slightly not as
obvious as it is for other panels, so the best
way to put it, it is definitely if we were
on TV right now, you'd be like, look at those
silver foxes, and the word is distinguished, I think is
the word. And we have distinguished professor of well these
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all sorts of things really, but it's Paul Spoonley, get.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It, Paul, Hen you go, Jim, I'm good, good, good good.
Remind us what you were distinguished at such a leading question,
isn't it?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
The boys call me the undistinguished. It's a reflection of
your international standing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Excellent.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, speaking of which I'm going to apply the same
description to my next guest. He's no stranger to people
who follow media, and he's been a wonderful journalist and
current affairs journalist and among other things, as well as
a digger driver. And we went into how he started life.
But he was very busy man doing all sorts of things.
It's Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah. I prefer to think of myself as extinguished. Well,
I'm triving. Can I just point out that I was
a pupil of Paul's back in nineteen eighty? Is that
your way eighteen of resulting eighty? Is that your way
of resolving the age?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I could have been an adult student, couldn't I And
he could have been a student tutor.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But yeah, that was way back in China.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
See child genius.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah you but yeah, absolutely brilliant New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think it's a great cupe to have them. What
were you studying? No idea that sociology? Sociology? Okay, well
that's a relief that he could Yeah. There, you've done
your job.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
He'd spent some time in your tutelage, and he does
know the subject, yes, literally just what the subject was.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I might not ask any fair the questions.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, yes, I don't have any letters after my name anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Hey, by now, look it's worth mentioning. Not that sounds
like such a trivial way to mention it, but of
course today is actually it's probably I actually know how
long I've known you, Mark, because I met you on
the twenty second of February, which was when the christ
Church earthquake was going off, wasn't it? And six point
three magnitude earthquake. It's fourteen years ago, one hundred and
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eighty five lives. We know what the destruction was. It
was a horrendous event, and I mean there's still we're
doing some rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Although christ Church has got some really.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, there's some great things about what they've done
with the rebuild, but gosh, it's don't fix these things
over night.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think it's that thing.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
As journalists, you parachute into places when these big things happen,
and you hit it really hard. I did the a
lot when I was euro correspondent for TVNZ. You go
to places where a disaster is happening. Then you'd leave,
but you don't realize for the people are left behind.
There is years and years and years of rebuilding. And
it's not just rebuilding buildings, it's rebuilding people, communities and
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communities and all those sorts of things that come along.
And I remember going back to christ Church over the
years and oh my god, they went through a lot.
And don't forget they also went through years and years
and years of aftershocks. So straight away in your mind
you're thinking, oh my god, where are the people I love?
You know, are they safe? Am I going to be safe?
So that's jolt, you know, literally being jolted back in.
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But I was talking to someone this morning at my
daughter's cricket game and he'd just been down to christ
Church at a convention. He said, the convention hall down
there is just beautiful. He said, there's a royal spirit
of the rebuild that they're creating a beautiful city center
with the stadium coming up and people come.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Up, the court, theaters taking shape as well, and the
and the taka the stadium.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Is it one of those events you remember where you
were when it happened?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Paul, Absolutely, we were in Wellington. It was a beautiful
dan Wellington and these stories started to come through and
we had people from christ Church in Wellington and it
was surreal. It's a bit like you know when the
white Waheni sank and some you're too young, you're too
young to but when the Waheni sank and the weather's beautiful,
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what's happening? And I mean, I just feel for christ Church.
I mean what we've got to acknowledge is what Marx
talked about. But of course twenty nineteen, I mean it
didn't end really taken the hits.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And that was another one. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yes, So let's let's remember all of those people who've
worked so hard to rebuild and those who were injured
and hurt and.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Care one.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, of course there's another part of the world which
is really feeling like this that I'm not sure if
they feel it. Hope is dwelling, but they're under the
They're in a troublesome spot, given that it seems that
the support of the USA seems to be evaporating, with
stants that Trump has taken towards Ukraine. I'll hold my
fire on this one and throw it over you to Paul.
What's your reaction to the way things have gone with
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the US and Ukraine and Trump.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I think it's extraordinary. The economist has said that it's
head spinning, and I think it's a reordering of what's
happening in terms of international relations. I just cannot believe it.
So the Ukraine has been portrayed. I use that word deliberately.
I think Putin is being rehabilitated. And if you think
back to some of the events in the Cold War,
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and you think we wouldn't have stood aside and let
what's happening in Czechoslovak or wherever taking place and not respond,
So I think it's a huge geopolitical shift. I worry
about the morality. I worry about the moral compass of
the people that are involved, and I worry what's going
to happen to the world.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
As a result enablement. I guess Mark's what's your response
to the last week you're saying especially, I mean Trump
callings is the lenscap dictator and he started the war.
I mean he's senile, isn't he.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It's just well, no, I you know, he just he
talks a lot, and I don't know if he understands
what is if his words, how much impact his words have.
I think it's a very very dangerous time in the
world at the moment. He's an emboldened putin, who is essentially,
if you're talking about a dictator and someone who hasn't
had a free and fair election to get into that role,
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there's one right sitting right in front of you. But
I think it's going to embold in other countries. I'm
thinking about what's happening in the Tasman at the moment,
with China having those quite aggressive military or naval maneuvers,
you know, one hundred and fifty two kilometers off the
coast of Sydney, and I think they're just everybody's just
feeling we can do whatever we want. I heard Trump
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describe the other day as a transactional president. So if
he thinks he can get make some money out of
rekindling relations with Russia and maybe of sidelining Ukraine, then
that's what he thinks.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
That's what he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think one of the most appalling headlines I saw
was the memo that had been presented to Zelensky by
the States where this was initially I think reported by
the Telegraph that the reparations they're seeking repayment for the
American contribution, and the stats were that it's they want
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half of their minerals forever of the Ukraine. It's like
Putin and Russia have been the proxy for America to
go on and screw everything they can out of the Ukraine.
And to put it in context, the article on the
Telegraph said that as a percentage of GDP, what Trump
was seeking out of Ukraine was more onerous than the
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Treaty of Versailles was after World.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
War One on World War one Germany and we all
know what happened after that.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, Well, that what it is is, it's the punching down.
It's like, it seems to me that Trump is treating
Ukraine like an understressed seller in the real estate market.
Here's someone who's got some weakness, and I'm going to
screw them. I can't think of someone I can view
with more contempt than Donald Trump, and he is absolutely
when I watched him do that present his speaking points
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or something about how Zelensky shouldn't have started the war.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
At how he's a dictator.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
He doesn't he wants to accede to the no NATO
membership for Ukraine, the withdrawal of US soldiers from Europe,
and I just sort of thought it was like, I
have a pro Putin talkback caller on Oh, I know,
you get a few and it was like he and
Trump we have had had dinner together before that, before
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that press release, absolutely parroting.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He is so much Putin's poodle. But it's not funny.
It's very strong.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
That propaganda is very strong, and it's skillfully distributed, and
a lot of people fall for it. Basically, But this
is I think this is a really frightening time. I
think a lot of people have lost faith in democracy
and this has given rise to leaders like Trump who
are disruptors, who feel like they come outside the box.
You've got Europe's all over the place, in terms of leadership,
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there's no strong person who is standing up there and saying,
you know, they're trying to get it all together, but
they're all swimming around. There's no real opposition in America
to Trump. The Democrats all over the place. The Republicans
are proven.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
What is it cash Pattel and RFK Junior and Pete
heck sith none of those senators. I think they've all
been castrated at some cause. They've certainly got the guys
have got no balls? Have they pardoned me?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
But let's be honest, Tim, can I go back because
it's an interesting suggestion that Trump is being played by Putin.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, it gives the impression of it.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Is, doesn't he I mean, you know, Putin leads a
renegade state, and here he is, he's being rehabilitated by
what Trump is doing. Trump is effectively dealing with Russia
as an equal and ruling out others.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
And it's that.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
That's a reordering of what's happened, what's happened internationally.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Let's not forget this is how he behaved towards Putin
in his first term as well. There's always been the
rumors that Russia have got something over him, and there
was a suggestion, yeah, let's not go there, but that
may or may not be true. But there is something
about him and Putin that turns him into a puppet.
And the Russians have always had a great term for
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people that they've used like this through the KGB and
everything like that, and that's useful idiots, useful, useful idiots,
and that's I'm sorry for all the Trump supporters out there,
but I think that's exactly what we're seeing playing out
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Actually, I'll tell you the one this put Let's put
a positive, positive spin on this. I don't mean a
positive span.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Let's find these silver lining in the cloud of Trump's
rhetoric and you know, and the rhetoric that's been presented
to the EU and to Europe at some I mean
it is a wake up call for the EU and
European countries because they haven't got there.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They're act sorted out. When it comes to the military.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
They're going to have to upscale quickly. Then again, I mean,
whether Russia is as big as a threat. I mean,
look how long they've been at war and they still
haven't managed to They've conquered twenty percent of Ukrainian territory.
It's not like they're armed forces are ready to go
like the Third Reich. So what do you reckon for?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well, you see, I don't think European the European politics
is going in the right direction. And if you look
at the domestic politics. I've just come back from two
and a half months in Europe, mostly in Sweden, Swedish politics,
German politics, you know, Polish, Hungarian politics. They're all riven
by tribal and very nationalistic and populist politics. So if
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you're thinking that Europe is somehow going to come together
and be as a cohesive voice, I think you're dreaming.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I really do know.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I we probably need to hope that enough of the
significant countries there can come together.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Germany, Germany has got an economic elections and elections.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
There is no Angela.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Merkel type character who was therefore, and Schultz wasn't that guy.
But also I think in a way they've all got
they've all got m MP governments, and so they have
to cobble together coalitions that don't always agree with each other,
and they're all over the you know, they can be
all the same. You could say the same thing that's
happening here at the moment. You know that quite often
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the tail ends up wagging the dog, and if it's
an extreme right party, they're used to being aggressive and
saying things that that may be unpalatable. But taking people,
you think.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
MMP enables slightly more extreme points of view because no
one's really trying to capture that middle ground.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And I don't think anything it gets done like you
used to. That's an interesting one. Mark Kreisl advocates for
getting rid of m MP. You never said that.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I think people are losing faith in institutions and democracy, yes,
and I think that was exacerbated during COVID, But I
just don't think it's working in terms of giving people
what they need and what they want.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
And post COVID, we've seen a number of patterns. Win is,
existing political parties lose elections. Number two, the trust and
politicians and political systems has gone down big time and
it's not clear what's going to restore that trust. And Third,
your information systems, your information systems would feed into understanding
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and political debate are now struggling.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Trust me, I'm a journalist actually actually well, and it does.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Seem like awkward like sort of perfect timing that the
Chinese are flexing their muscle by by basically flexing their
biceps off the coast of Australia.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
But do you think that's coincidental? No, No, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Not a thing. Yeah, I seeah being ironic.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Okay, Yeah, And I think they're filling a vacuum. They've
seen an opportunity to be the leading world par Yeah.
We're not going to trust Trump in America at the moment,
are we?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No? Oh, no, you couldn't. Unfortunately you can't.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
No, I don't know what it means for Orcus but
as well, because you know, he can have whatever packs
you have. But his rhetoric just seems to ping around
from whatever, you know, whether he's had a bad cheeseburger or.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Not, depending on what he says. But anyway, do you
think we.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Should be spending more on our military because it seems
like half our navy is Navy is underwater off the
coast of Samoa.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It doesn't feel like we're low blow.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Seriously, seriously, does it feel to you like we have
anything significant to our armed forces that we can brag about,
apart from the wonderful quality of our soldiers.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Okay, yeah, I backed that up.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I've been in East Team or when our soldiers turned up,
and it's one of the proudest I've been as in
New Zealand. They represent us, they look like us, and
they bring values that you know, in terms of like
from the bottom up.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They work with local people really well. I think they're great.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I think we do have to pay our way a
lot more. We don't, we know, piggyback on the back
of the Aussies and the Americans or whatever. But that's
a hard ask now because we've got a health system
that's failing. We've got you know, people are losing their
jobs all over the place. We've got you know, an
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aging population. We've got so many big problems that are
asking for more money. Do you wish and it's billions.
I do wish Helen had actually bought those F sixteens.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
To be honest, you, yeah, I like the idea that
we might have in when we see a fishing vessel
that's off, we don't just send a sort of dingy
over there and go, but boy back you go. You
have an F sixteen go over top in the marke think, oh,
maybe we shouldn't leave anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I'm an aging piece neck. I would argue that our
part of the world, the Pacific, is going to become
a much more contentious and troubled place, and you can
see it with the Cooks, and I agree. We need
to invest more in our safety and our protection as
well as a commitment to international alliances. You do have
to be careful who you get into bed with, though,
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absolutely well, but we may we maintained a reasonably independent
stance since the effectively the seventies and the eighties, and
unless that's going to change significantly, let's make sure that
our interests Gosha.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Month's a long time in politics, isn't it? Weak a
day Larichy And hopefully four years will pass quickly. Yeah, well,
we're going to have a little bit more politics to come,
but slightly more localized. And whether we're going to talk
about well, Wayne Brown's promising to stand for count for
mayor again, but we'll discuss that in just a moment.
This is the panel of the Weekend Collective. It's twenty five
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past straight, a whole lot of love lead Zippe and
I'm going through a very retro phase with my listening habits.
So my producer tire as she is appeasing some of
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my requests on the music front. Anyway, welcome back to
the Weekend Collective. This is the panel news talk said
be Mark Kreisel and Paul Spoonley are my guest. Just
a little bit more on the politics. Wayne Brown standing
for reelection. He's asking rat Walkland rate payers to back
him finishing the job. I would say that, well, there
was a question right when the Desley was standing. But
I don't think Dessley Simpson's going to I think that
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website was simply because she was thinking he might stop,
not stand. Well, he'll win by a landslide, whon't he?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Boys?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, good on them for restanding.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
But we need a contest.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
We need somebody who's going to go up again, some
test ideas, test loyalties, test support. If it's going to
be a one horse race, that's not good for Auckland.
And remember a third of New Zealand as a residents
of Auckland.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
We've got to get.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The politics in the city right, Mark, you'll be giving
me away giving him to It's only one tech, there's
no party politics, it's just Wayne.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
We'll wait and see who else turns up. I'm not
casting him a vote now, and you know I wouldn't
tell you I voted.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But I mean it's interesting, is that.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I mean, God, he had a terrible start in the
role and he's kind of grown. There's a grudging dislike
for him now.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He's not to get the council sort of working together,
hasn't he seems to.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Have I mean a grudging respect or wedging.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Kind of like the way he stands up against you
never know what he's going to say, and I kind
of he doesn't respect any authority anywhere. So in a
way he's become quite a strong champion for Auckland. I mean,
in the beginning he was giving Boomers a bad name.
Let's be honest here.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You know, his behavior was was was terrible.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
He was he wasn't there at the big events, you know,
with the flooding and the cyclone, and if you look
around the country there were amazing mayores and small communities
who really stood up for the communities. He seemed to
think or it was all about him and how how
comfortable he was and everything like that. He's a bit
of an odd fish, but in a way he's given
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Auckland a bit of a personality and and and I
like Paul would really like to see someone strong, standing
up standing against him, but it's not looking likely.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I reckon if he moved to Wellington and said he
was going to stand for the maryalty down there, they'd
vote for him there too. They're pretty drunk Tor Torry Faro,
of course, I mean, but he does seem to.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
He does seem to. Yeah, I think he would.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I think he would, Hoseen, he text me on nineteen nine,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Look, I think he's got that sort of same thing
as he's not a classic politician, and I think people
are a little bit sick of slick sort of although
he's been a mayor up North as well, but I
think he fits into that mold at the moment, which
is a little bit grumpy, a little bit cantankerous, someone
who's not a classic politics.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Actually here's the word.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I think that that you've that you've sort of encircled neatly,
whether or not you like him, you feel you know
him because he is He's unequivalently Wayne Brown. He's authentic.
What you see is what you get. And I think
that there's you wouldn't ever bear with him though, would
you know?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
What would you? Of course I would. I think it'd
be hilarious, like absolutely, what would be because you're mad? Uncle?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think he's Look, he's an interesting person outy, but
I think it's too easy to sort of just say
he's a bit mad and all that sort of thing
when you know that.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think he's good. The impression is.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
That he's getting a few things done at least, and
I love the fact that he goes. He went up
near where Victoria Street were in the road Cone Central,
and he just wandered around talking to the camera game
see what is this here for? They've got this lane
and it's the biggest car park in Auckland and they're
making it into one lane's And he was just simply saying,
this is ridiculous. And I was watching the video going,
I know what you mean, and I'm with you. I
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don't know what you know. We've got to see some
legislation around Auckland transport and everything, Paul, I don't.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Well, it's an interesting question.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
You two obviously have different views on this, but political relatable,
it's a is a real issue and the key question
we always ask is would you have a beer with them?
And we're asking that in terms of national politicians, Yes,
And I don't know what the answer would be for
Aucklander's I mean Tim would say years, but I just
don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I have a beer, look, I'd sit down an interested
in I would have it, sit down and have a
beer with it.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
With Looey Swarbrick as well, I think.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Interesting, quite relatable to Yeah, even though I think kind
of every own and again I makes my head spin,
But I think my first pick for sitting down for
a for a beer and a file mignon would be
Winston Peters and whiskey.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think, I just like.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It'll be a late start in an early finish.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Which politician would you?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
So, I was just thinking that I've had a bit
to do with politicians throughout my career. There are very
few I would have a beer with, I think, but
I really like David Shearer.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
He was he's gone, liked him a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And I'll tell you who is actually in real life
a really good, interesting guy, And you'd have to sit
down and have a beer with them, as honey, how
do we okay?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, just don't let don't don't don't bring the cameras.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
What about you, Bill, I'm still thinking to him, I'm
still thinking.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You'll have I reckon, You've got a name that instantly
came to mind, but you're busy vetting it going.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's just a right, Is that right?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
No, I'm not, Actually i'm not. I'm normally quite open
about these things. But it's a really interesting question. So
who would I have a beer with?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I think there's I like the Racontours. So you know,
anyone who's who's got a sense of humor, bit of wet.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
They out of a beer with. Is a really good
guy Don McKinnon.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Okay, he's out of the picture these days. It has
to be a current parliamentary save it till next time.
We got to move on.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Hey, by the way, so what about Quilla the song,
or the or the drink? Now?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Look, hey, wannach is making a big effort to be
in the news. The days they've had the kids indulging
in mass punch ups on New Year's Eve, they've been
rending their garments over the possibility of having McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
But now it seems they.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Don't also want poor people and middle class people and
wanakare getting medical attention. That story about fees as high
as a thousand bucks urgent after our medical care. There
was somebody called up for that. I need a fifteen
minute consultation. They're told to be five hundred bucks. I
can't get my head around this. Whether there's something missing
in the story, but apparently the starting rate to walk
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in the doors two hundred.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And eighty or something.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I can I add some context here because I'm you
want to command well, no, no, but I'm speaking of
Wonica next week. So I've actually done some work around it.
What's interesting about Queenstown Lakes outside the major centers is
our major growth area, and everything is under strain. So
I coming out of coming out of Queenstown the other day,
it took over an hour on the traffic really took yeah, yeah,
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because of that road. There's only that road that goes
out to the airport, and it's everything is understrained down there,
and so the growth has gone. Population grows gone way
ahead of the provision of facilities and services, so they're
having to backfill. And I think that's one of the
major problems. I mean, I think there are other things
going on there, but let's let me put that one there.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
This is kind of surge pricing as we.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, and it's and it's a the demand has grown,
but they haven't supplied the infrastructure and services for it.
You wouldn't you wouldn't want to have a heart attack
in Wanica or anywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Actually, there's a good there's a good slogan.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Wana don't have a heart attack here.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And that's sort of it's a bit of a sort
of a nice conflict.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
And the good people in Wanica. That was not me
that said that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Come and carget, and come and target and Wana give
yourself a heart attack in Wantaka.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
We're that exciting. I just don't expect any help when
you do.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
But before COVID and everything and and like, this is
also a major destination for international visitors. This is this
is New Zealand that appears on the on the biscuit tins.
You know that people want to see, so everybody wants
to go there. But before COVID, I remember this was
an issue all over New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We had so many foreign visitors coming in that we.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Just hadn't kept up with the infrastructure. And probably the
area of infrastructure that struggling the most of the moment
is health.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You just can't get doctors to go to places. And
it was bad in Wanica.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
It's really bad in Dargaville, and it's you know, other
parts of the Far North and things like.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
That, the West Coast South trying to get a GP
or a junior doctor in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
While you guys have been talking about that, I've been
I've been thinking about slogans because I was thinking, well,
of course we had listen to us and everyone must
go for no.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I just love it, you know. I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Give yourself a heart attack in Wonica. I think is
a great and we're that exciting. It's better than better
than the New Zealand one. Everyone must everyone must go.
And I mean I don't really care about it that much.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
You're never going to compete with where the bloody hell
are you?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But didn't they realize the number of people leaving the country.
Here's an advertisement for more to go.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yes, I'm going to I'm going to keep workshopping the
Wanaka slogan because I think we're into it with the
adventure tourism, come and kill yourselfrom Monica and the skydiving.
Sorry that was the wrong way to put that. That
was the wrong way to put that. You know what
I mean, Hey, just actually tell you what we need
to take a break. It's twenty two minutes to four.
This is News Talks.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
He'd be.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yes, Welcome back to the weekn and Collective. This is
the panel, Paul Spoonley and Mark Kraisler. I guess I'm
Tim Beverage. Now we've covered some Auckland news, We've covered
some Wellington news, but just in terms of maybe Wan
Brown could we've covered Wonica and now we're into christ
and this interesting plan.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
This one.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So I don't know if you guys have noticed illegal
but dumping in your neighborhood. We don't get too much
of it where I live, but there's a city council
in christ Church wants christ Church residents to be allowed
to dispose of other people's illegally dumped rubbish for free.
There is a catch here, I think in his plan,
but it's Aaron Kewan. He reckons that people would pick
up rubbish and take it to the tip if they
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saw it illegally dumped in their neighborhood, but they only
if it was free. I think the weakness is that
everyone's going to turn up and say.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Rubbish it mine?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Is that a problem?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You probably live somewhere really Poshmark Chryst. I'd imagine you
don't have much dump rubbish unless it's I do.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I was out of the dump the other day actually,
and oh my god, it's expensive. It cost me, like
I don't know, forty fifty bucks to dump, you know,
take a ute load out to the dump.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Really Actually, I just go to a refuse station where
they do you actually go all the way out to
the actual tip.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and you like to sort of get there smell
the filth.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
It's definitely a smell of my childhood. We used to
leave with more than we took. Yeah, my dad was
a shocker.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It was like, oh my godness, let's go home, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Oh no, I could do something with this, and they
thrown that.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It was a great Kiwi think the old dumps. It
reminds me of that Quick from Black add It. It's
like or the Life of Brian.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's like, oh, Dennis, there's some real filth down here.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Do you well, do you an illegal dumper?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
No, I'm not thank you to him, but I do
think I do think rubbish generally illegal dumping of rubbish
has become quite an issue, and you notice it around
in some of our river ways and parks, and I
just you know, you get to a car park, you're
going for a walk in this whole lot of rubbish there.
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But but but why are you expecting other people to
pick this up and take it to the day even if.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
It's for free.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Surely there are so many cameras around in so many
ways of identifying who can do this.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, maybe that's the cure.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Maybe you because I mean his plan it sounds great,
But if you turned up with rubbish and sidah, this
was dumped on the curb. I mean, how many people
are going to do that to save themselves forty or
fifty bucks or something. But it's maybe maybe it needs
to be The fines for illegal dumping need to be
Singapore frightening because you know most public offenses in Singapore.
You drop it, you drop a cigarette, it's six hundred bucks.
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I think, second defense. I think it's like fifteen hundred
third defense prison, Yeah, penalty, third time. Okay, And did
you notice there was a council. There's several councils that
if you put in the incorrect rubbish in the bin
three times you lose the bin. Councils generally are beginning to.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Tighten up, and I think it's partly a cost cutting exercise. Yeah,
it was also probably on the other side, people are
just finding it expensive the me and you found.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It in mind, if you lose your bin, then what
do you do?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Yeah? Illegal, illegal, it's a.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Problem, that's yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I just wish the person whose dog takes a dump
right outside our front door three times.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
A week picks it up. Really, someone doing that on
your property?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
No, well we live very close to it, like we're
about a meter from the path to our door. But yeah,
people walking dogs around there. And this is we live
in a in a pretty good part of Auckland, and
so I just think, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
A personal plea from Mark Kraft. So if you're out there, list.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
The People's Republic of Saint Mary's Bay, Okay, sort of
like the cousin of Herne Bay.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Isn't it the cheapest house and the second most worst house,
best streets? Always a good plan.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Hey, look, I have a personal interest in this in
a way, not because I've been approached to by the new.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
James Bond, but it is pretty big news.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think one of the things that's meant that the
James Bond franchises sort of stay true to its origins
is that it's always been in the hands creatively speaking
of either Cubby or his he's the late Kubly Broccoli
or his wife Barbara, and Simon G.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Wilson.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I think I don't give us the first name, right,
I said Simon Wilson. I suddenly threw myself there.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Michael Wilson. Michael was Michael Wilson.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
And they've given control creative control of the James Bond
franchise to Amazon MGM, which I don't really have a
big problem with because they killed him off on the
last one, so I mean it's hardly like they didn't
really look after him. In the end of that, you
can say, Tim, it's changed. I mean, it hasn't stayed
true to its original thing because it's moved all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It was quite camp there for.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
A while with Roger Moore and Roger Moore and you know,
and and then Daniel Craig kind of sharpened it up.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I thought he was a really great Bond. I mean
the dangerous that, you know, what they've done with Marvel
or something.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
When they exploit the franchise that they dilute it and
then it just loses its excitement.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yeah, I'm a Sean Connery fan. All the Bonds after
that were just a week No. But it's going to
be interesting to see because is the inclination for these
guys to then remake it. I'm a great Jack Reacher person,
but in terms of who they cast as Jack Reacher, honestly.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Oh well, the casting decision to cruise. The casting decision
is absolutely crucial.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
And crucial, and didn't the Broccolis insist upon a British
actor even though there was an Irish and Australia.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
They went with George Lazenby. But I mean there was
a guy. He was the worst advice from his agent ever.
He did one movie and his agent said, don't stick
around this. This franchise isn't going anywhere. Australian nit where
model George Lasenbee. Funnily enough, he fronted a He fronted
the Music of James Bond concert in Australia and shared
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too many pretty much outrageous exploits that offended the audience.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Wasn't Sam Neil once seriously considered.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I think so, I mean the number of people whose
names have been considered for it. I think all the
James Bonds have generally been right for their generation. We
look back Roger More. People were looking for a bit
of a change from the Sean Connery things, so they
went to the Roger Moore thing, who had a lighter touch.
And then I mean it's the Timothy Dalton and then
Brosnan's first movie. I thought he was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
He was good, he was good, he was didn't the Aussies,
didn't the English say about George Lazenby, It was Bond,
Bruce Bond.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Actually it's worth actually well actually I would say this
because I produced concerts with around the Bond stuff. By
the way, if you're in Hamilton Hamilton Arts next Saturday
with the Symphony.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Orchestra, it'll be great.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
But where would these films be? You can look at
Star Wars, you can look at Bond. I mean look
at the music of the Bond films every year that
goes from back from Billie Eilish, most recently Shirley bas
Where would the and where would that film Serah be
without that iconic music as well? Everyone now, I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Don't they always worth waiting for?
Speaker 5 (36:12):
And the thing is, like these other ones, they took
their time bringing them to you know, bringing them to life,
and now they haven't even got an actual bond so
they don't even have a movie, so how far away?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And the other thing, sorry Mark, but the other thing
that strikes me is that the early Bonds were really
a product of the Cold War. And perhaps perhaps you
know what we started this conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
With, by the way, I mean, it's worth mentioning. I
don't think we'll be ever seeing that. The outrageous names
of the Bond women that we saw in the past past.
Why do we have Xenia on the top, pussy Galore?
And my favorite was what was that first one? Oh,
she was Honey Rider was the first one. Pussy Galore
and James and Goldfinger, and then there was Xenia on
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a top. And there was one who wasn't very well
known that I quite thought was a cute one was
betrue Me. She was a Chinese assassin. Anyway, we will
be back in just a moment.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's ten two four news talks. He'd be but don't go.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
He will part him Yah, but his life can disguise.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What you.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Knows when he's kissed her.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It's the kiss sun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I love a bit of Shirley Bassie.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Hey, we thought we'd I thought we'd finished whether Really
I love this the last story we're going to talk about,
and it's to me it's the best of you know
what makes kiwi's kiwi's. And I've seen the video of this.
So there was a man who had a seizure while
driving on an Auckland motorway I think was the Northwestern
Motorway and you just see this car just start to
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drift off the lane. There's another car's got the camera
running and this guy gets out and he jumps, he
runs along. He's signaling to the car slow down. He
runs and jumps in the side window to apply the
handbreak because the driver of the car is having a
heart attack. Then you see three trade's in their orange
vests or something following as well. And I just love
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the fact that somebody saw something wrong. Did you see
the video of this image? Go to the New Zealand
Hill website. It's amazing, isn't.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's heart warming?
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Isn't it?
Speaker 4 (38:31):
It really is people act and emergencies they act to
help others. They made a decision really quickly and it
was a good outcome.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
And let's all be thankful. It was during the Awkland
rush hour because everything was moving as.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Slow walk.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Because it does sound quite flashess like I got out
on the motorway and I chased the car down.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
It's like he's actually briskly walking if you see it.
And the other interesting thing is that the guys that
ran in their in their in their vests afterwards were
his workmates. He'd been working during the day as an
host and they are on the truck going home and
he'd driven past, you know, might have given them a
bit of a raz or something like that.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
But I just look, actually, because it took some initiative.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
You're in a busy motorway and he got out, and
the guy who was driving the car, you know, was
I think it was an unexpected obviously an unexpected medical event.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But I was just thinking, how brave, how you know
It's one thing to go something's wrong there, to being.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I'm the one I'm going to act and get out
of my car and prevent potentially a tragedy. And let's
be honest, most people would just say, what's this iffing
idiot doing you know, in the driving would have been angry.
He could have been a road rage incident, all those
sorts of things. It's it's really amazing to see.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
The other amazing thing is how many people have dashboard cams.
Oh yeah, by the way, and why we should give
a shout out to the guy? Did? His name is
Jeff Benjamin? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
And I think you know what a great key we
and I think it's not. I think every now and
again we just need some of these lovely, heartwarming stories to.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Not every now and then every day to we need Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I underplayed it, Deny. I meant all the time. We
need more of it, don't we spread the love? We
need more of the guys like the silver foxes in
the studio. Yes, it is because there's a little bit
of silver, but you have fox.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Hey. There might be snow on the roof, mate, but
there's a fire down below.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Okay, Okay, I think that means it's whole time home time.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I must to have a coup teen to lie down. Anyway,
we will be back with one roof radio show.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
New guest in this Yuaro Elsewelf joins us to discuss Renovano.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
Had a very good afternoon to you. Welcome to the show.
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Coming up on today's show in just a moment. My
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panelists as always esteemed. I'll be introducing them in a
tick after four o'clock. We have a new guest for
the one roof radio show. It's else A Wolf and
she is a real estate investor and coach at Wolf Property,
talking about renovating and how you avoid actually spending too
much money on your renovations, but how to improve return
(01:32):
and how bad does the property to be before you
should renovate it and spend a bit of money on it.
To make a bit of money and after five o'clock
the Parents Squad another new guest. It's new guest on
today Layla Mason, doctor Layla Mason, who's she's a pediatrician
and author of Children's Health.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Eight is Z and we're talking about why is.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
This generation more anxious than previous ones, but also what
are the biggest issues in children's health today? And before six,
of course we'll be wrapping sport previewing, well not previewing
because it'll kick off I think at five o'clock Auckland
FC and Wellington Phoenix Alex Smith ill be joining us
for that and also Fiji Endurer against the Hurricanes will
be underway at ter for four point thirty five, so
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we'll be having a look at probably the last few
minutes of that and telling us how it went.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is eight past.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Three, insightful, entertaining and always on points. Tim Beveridge on
the Weekend Collective News talks'.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
B yes, right into it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Look and it's time for our panel and in no
particular order. The age before beauty is slightly not as
obvious as it is for other panels, so the best
way to put it, it is definitely if we were
on TV right now, you'd be like, look at those
silver foxes, and the word is distinguished, I think is
the word. And we have distinguished professor of well these
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all sorts of things really, but it's Paul Spoonley, get.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It, Paul, Hen you go, Jim, I'm good, good, good good.
Remind us what you were distinguished at such a leading question,
isn't it?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
The boys call me the undistinguished. It's a reflection of
your international standing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Excellent.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, speaking of which I'm going to apply the same
description to my next guest. He's no stranger to people
who follow media, and he's been a wonderful journalist and
current affairs journalist and among other things, as well as
a digger driver. And we went into how he started life.
But he was very busy man doing all sorts of things.
It's Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah. I prefer to think of myself as extinguished. Well,
I'm triving. Can I just point out that I was
a pupil of Paul's back in nineteen eighty? Is that
your way eighteen of resulting eighty? Is that your way
of resolving the age?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I could have been an adult student, couldn't I And
he could have been a student tutor.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
But yeah, that was way back in China.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
See child genius.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah you but yeah, absolutely brilliant New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think it's a great cupe to have them. What
were you studying? No idea that sociology? Sociology? Okay, well
that's a relief that he could Yeah. There, you've done
your job.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
He'd spent some time in your tutelage, and he does
know the subject, yes, literally just what the subject was.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I might not ask any fair the questions.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, yes, I don't have any letters after my name anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Hey, by now, look it's worth mentioning. Not that sounds
like such a trivial way to mention it, but of
course today is actually it's probably I actually know how
long I've known you, Mark, because I met you on
the twenty second of February, which was when the christ
Church earthquake was going off, wasn't it? And six point
three magnitude earthquake. It's fourteen years ago, one hundred and
(04:43):
eighty five lives. We know what the destruction was. It
was a horrendous event, and I mean there's still we're
doing some rebuilding.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Although christ Church has got some really.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, there's some great things about what they've done
with the rebuild, but gosh, it's don't fix these things
over night.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think it's that thing.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
As journalists, you parachute into places when these big things happen,
and you hit it really hard. I did the a
lot when I was euro correspondent for TVNZ. You go
to places where a disaster is happening. Then you'd leave,
but you don't realize for the people are left behind.
There is years and years and years of rebuilding. And
it's not just rebuilding buildings, it's rebuilding people, communities and
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communities and all those sorts of things that come along.
And I remember going back to christ Church over the
years and oh my god, they went through a lot.
And don't forget they also went through years and years
and years of aftershocks. So straight away in your mind
you're thinking, oh my god, where are the people I love?
You know, are they safe? Am I going to be safe?
So that's jolt, you know, literally being jolted back in.
(05:41):
But I was talking to someone this morning at my
daughter's cricket game and he'd just been down to christ
Church at a convention. He said, the convention hall down
there is just beautiful. He said, there's a royal spirit
of the rebuild that they're creating a beautiful city center
with the stadium coming up and people come.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Up, the court, theaters taking shape as well, and the
and the taka the stadium.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Is it one of those events you remember where you
were when it happened?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Paul, Absolutely, we were in Wellington. It was a beautiful
dan Wellington and these stories started to come through and
we had people from christ Church in Wellington and it
was surreal. It's a bit like you know when the
white Waheni sank and some you're too young, you're too
young to but when the Waheni sank and the weather's beautiful,
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what's happening? And I mean, I just feel for christ Church.
I mean what we've got to acknowledge is what Marx
talked about. But of course twenty nineteen, I mean it
didn't end really taken the hits.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And that was another one. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yes, So let's let's remember all of those people who've
worked so hard to rebuild and those who were injured
and hurt and.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Care one.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, of course there's another part of the world which
is really feeling like this that I'm not sure if
they feel it. Hope is dwelling, but they're under the
They're in a troublesome spot, given that it seems that
the support of the USA seems to be evaporating, with
stants that Trump has taken towards Ukraine. I'll hold my
fire on this one and throw it over you to Paul.
What's your reaction to the way things have gone with
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the US and Ukraine and Trump.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I think it's extraordinary. The economist has said that it's
head spinning, and I think it's a reordering of what's
happening in terms of international relations. I just cannot believe it.
So the Ukraine has been portrayed. I use that word deliberately.
I think Putin is being rehabilitated. And if you think
back to some of the events in the Cold War,
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and you think we wouldn't have stood aside and let
what's happening in Czechoslovak or wherever taking place and not respond,
So I think it's a huge geopolitical shift. I worry
about the morality. I worry about the moral compass of
the people that are involved, and I worry what's going
to happen to the world.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
As a result enablement. I guess Mark's what's your response
to the last week you're saying especially, I mean Trump
callings is the lenscap dictator and he started the war.
I mean he's senile, isn't he.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It's just well, no, I you know, he just he
talks a lot, and I don't know if he understands
what is if his words, how much impact his words have.
I think it's a very very dangerous time in the
world at the moment. He's an emboldened putin, who is essentially,
if you're talking about a dictator and someone who hasn't
had a free and fair election to get into that role,
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there's one right sitting right in front of you. But
I think it's going to embold in other countries. I'm
thinking about what's happening in the Tasman at the moment,
with China having those quite aggressive military or naval maneuvers,
you know, one hundred and fifty two kilometers off the
coast of Sydney, and I think they're just everybody's just
feeling we can do whatever we want. I heard Trump
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describe the other day as a transactional president. So if
he thinks he can get make some money out of
rekindling relations with Russia and maybe of sidelining Ukraine, then
that's what he thinks.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
That's what he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think one of the most appalling headlines I saw
was the memo that had been presented to Zelensky by
the States where this was initially I think reported by
the Telegraph that the reparations they're seeking repayment for the
American contribution, and the stats were that it's they want
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half of their minerals forever of the Ukraine. It's like
Putin and Russia have been the proxy for America to
go on and screw everything they can out of the Ukraine.
And to put it in context, the article on the
Telegraph said that as a percentage of GDP, what Trump
was seeking out of Ukraine was more onerous than the
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Treaty of Versailles was after World.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
War One on World War one Germany and we all
know what happened after that.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, Well, that what it is is, it's the punching down.
It's like, it seems to me that Trump is treating
Ukraine like an understressed seller in the real estate market.
Here's someone who's got some weakness, and I'm going to
screw them. I can't think of someone I can view
with more contempt than Donald Trump, and he is absolutely
when I watched him do that present his speaking points
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or something about how Zelensky shouldn't have started the war.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
At how he's a dictator.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
He doesn't he wants to accede to the no NATO
membership for Ukraine, the withdrawal of US soldiers from Europe,
and I just sort of thought it was like, I
have a pro Putin talkback caller on Oh, I know,
you get a few and it was like he and
Trump we have had had dinner together before that, before
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that press release, absolutely parroting.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He is so much Putin's poodle. But it's not funny.
It's very strong.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
That propaganda is very strong, and it's skillfully distributed, and
a lot of people fall for it. Basically, But this
is I think this is a really frightening time. I
think a lot of people have lost faith in democracy
and this has given rise to leaders like Trump who
are disruptors, who feel like they come outside the box.
You've got Europe's all over the place, in terms of leadership,
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there's no strong person who is standing up there and saying,
you know, they're trying to get it all together, but
they're all swimming around. There's no real opposition in America
to Trump. The Democrats all over the place. The Republicans
are proven.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
What is it cash Pattel and RFK Junior and Pete
heck sith none of those senators. I think they've all
been castrated at some cause. They've certainly got the guys
have got no balls? Have they pardoned me?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
But let's be honest, Tim, can I go back because
it's an interesting suggestion that Trump is being played by Putin.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, it gives the impression of it.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Is, doesn't he I mean, you know, Putin leads a
renegade state, and here he is, he's being rehabilitated by
what Trump is doing. Trump is effectively dealing with Russia
as an equal and ruling out others.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
And it's that.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
That's a reordering of what's happened, what's happened internationally.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Let's not forget this is how he behaved towards Putin
in his first term as well. There's always been the
rumors that Russia have got something over him, and there
was a suggestion, yeah, let's not go there, but that
may or may not be true. But there is something
about him and Putin that turns him into a puppet.
And the Russians have always had a great term for
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people that they've used like this through the KGB and
everything like that, and that's useful idiots, useful, useful idiots,
and that's I'm sorry for all the Trump supporters out there,
but I think that's exactly what we're seeing playing out
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Actually, I'll tell you the one this put Let's put
a positive, positive spin on this. I don't mean a
positive span.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Let's find these silver lining in the cloud of Trump's
rhetoric and you know, and the rhetoric that's been presented
to the EU and to Europe at some I mean
it is a wake up call for the EU and
European countries because they haven't got there.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They're act sorted out. When it comes to the military.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
They're going to have to upscale quickly. Then again, I mean,
whether Russia is as big as a threat. I mean,
look how long they've been at war and they still
haven't managed to They've conquered twenty percent of Ukrainian territory.
It's not like they're armed forces are ready to go
like the Third Reich. So what do you reckon for?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well, you see, I don't think European the European politics
is going in the right direction. And if you look
at the domestic politics. I've just come back from two
and a half months in Europe, mostly in Sweden, Swedish politics,
German politics, you know, Polish, Hungarian politics. They're all riven
by tribal and very nationalistic and populist politics. So if
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you're thinking that Europe is somehow going to come together
and be as a cohesive voice, I think you're dreaming.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I really do know.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I we probably need to hope that enough of the
significant countries there can come together.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Germany, Germany has got an economic elections and elections.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
There is no Angela.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Merkel type character who was therefore, and Schultz wasn't that guy.
But also I think in a way they've all got
they've all got m MP governments, and so they have
to cobble together coalitions that don't always agree with each other,
and they're all over the you know, they can be
all the same. You could say the same thing that's
happening here at the moment. You know that quite often
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the tail ends up wagging the dog, and if it's
an extreme right party, they're used to being aggressive and
saying things that that may be unpalatable. But taking people,
you think.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
MMP enables slightly more extreme points of view because no
one's really trying to capture that middle ground.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
And I don't think anything it gets done like you
used to. That's an interesting one. Mark Kreisl advocates for
getting rid of m MP. You never said that.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
I think people are losing faith in institutions and democracy, yes,
and I think that was exacerbated during COVID, But I
just don't think it's working in terms of giving people
what they need and what they want.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
And post COVID, we've seen a number of patterns. Win is,
existing political parties lose elections. Number two, the trust and
politicians and political systems has gone down big time and
it's not clear what's going to restore that trust. And Third,
your information systems, your information systems would feed into understanding
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and political debate are now struggling.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Trust me, I'm a journalist actually actually well, and it does.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Seem like awkward like sort of perfect timing that the
Chinese are flexing their muscle by by basically flexing their
biceps off the coast of Australia.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
But do you think that's coincidental? No, No, I think that's.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Not a thing. Yeah, I seeah being ironic.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Okay, Yeah, And I think they're filling a vacuum. They've
seen an opportunity to be the leading world par Yeah.
We're not going to trust Trump in America at the moment,
are we?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No? Oh, no, you couldn't. Unfortunately you can't.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
No, I don't know what it means for Orcus but
as well, because you know, he can have whatever packs
you have. But his rhetoric just seems to ping around
from whatever, you know, whether he's had a bad cheeseburger or.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Not, depending on what he says. But anyway, do you
think we.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Should be spending more on our military because it seems
like half our navy is Navy is underwater off the
coast of Samoa.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It doesn't feel like we're low blow.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Seriously, seriously, does it feel to you like we have
anything significant to our armed forces that we can brag about,
apart from the wonderful quality of our soldiers.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Okay, yeah, I backed that up.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I've been in East Team or when our soldiers turned up,
and it's one of the proudest I've been as in
New Zealand. They represent us, they look like us, and
they bring values that you know, in terms of like
from the bottom up.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They work with local people really well. I think they're great.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I think we do have to pay our way a
lot more. We don't, we know, piggyback on the back
of the Aussies and the Americans or whatever. But that's
a hard ask now because we've got a health system
that's failing. We've got you know, people are losing their
jobs all over the place. We've got you know, an
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aging population. We've got so many big problems that are
asking for more money. Do you wish and it's billions.
I do wish Helen had actually bought those F sixteens.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
To be honest, you, yeah, I like the idea that
we might have in when we see a fishing vessel
that's off, we don't just send a sort of dingy
over there and go, but boy back you go. You
have an F sixteen go over top in the marke think, oh,
maybe we shouldn't leave anyway.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I'm an aging piece neck. I would argue that our
part of the world, the Pacific, is going to become
a much more contentious and troubled place, and you can
see it with the Cooks, and I agree. We need
to invest more in our safety and our protection as
well as a commitment to international alliances. You do have
to be careful who you get into bed with, though,
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absolutely well, but we may we maintained a reasonably independent
stance since the effectively the seventies and the eighties, and
unless that's going to change significantly, let's make sure that
our interests Gosha.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Month's a long time in politics, isn't it? Weak a
day Larichy And hopefully four years will pass quickly. Yeah, well,
we're going to have a little bit more politics to come,
but slightly more localized. And whether we're going to talk
about well, Wayne Brown's promising to stand for count for
mayor again, but we'll discuss that in just a moment.
This is the panel of the Weekend Collective. It's twenty five
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past straight, a whole lot of love lead Zippe and
I'm going through a very retro phase with my listening habits.
So my producer tire as she is appeasing some of
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my requests on the music front. Anyway, welcome back to
the Weekend Collective. This is the panel news talk said
be Mark Kreisel and Paul Spoonley are my guest. Just
a little bit more on the politics. Wayne Brown standing
for reelection. He's asking rat Walkland rate payers to back
him finishing the job. I would say that, well, there
was a question right when the Desley was standing. But
I don't think Dessley Simpson's going to I think that
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website was simply because she was thinking he might stop,
not stand. Well, he'll win by a landslide, whon't he?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Boys?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, good on them for restanding.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
But we need a contest.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
We need somebody who's going to go up again, some
test ideas, test loyalties, test support. If it's going to
be a one horse race, that's not good for Auckland.
And remember a third of New Zealand as a residents
of Auckland.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
We've got to get.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The politics in the city right, Mark, you'll be giving
me away giving him to It's only one tech, there's
no party politics, it's just Wayne.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
We'll wait and see who else turns up. I'm not
casting him a vote now, and you know I wouldn't
tell you I voted.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But I mean it's interesting, is that.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I mean, God, he had a terrible start in the
role and he's kind of grown. There's a grudging dislike
for him now.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He's not to get the council sort of working together,
hasn't he seems to.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Have I mean a grudging respect or wedging.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Kind of like the way he stands up against you
never know what he's going to say, and I kind
of he doesn't respect any authority anywhere. So in a
way he's become quite a strong champion for Auckland. I mean,
in the beginning he was giving Boomers a bad name.
Let's be honest here.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You know, his behavior was was was terrible.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
He was he wasn't there at the big events, you know,
with the flooding and the cyclone, and if you look
around the country there were amazing mayores and small communities
who really stood up for the communities. He seemed to
think or it was all about him and how how
comfortable he was and everything like that. He's a bit
of an odd fish, but in a way he's given
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Auckland a bit of a personality and and and I
like Paul would really like to see someone strong, standing
up standing against him, but it's not looking likely.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I reckon if he moved to Wellington and said he
was going to stand for the maryalty down there, they'd
vote for him there too. They're pretty drunk Tor Torry Faro,
of course, I mean, but he does seem to.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
He does seem to. Yeah, I think he would.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I think he would, Hoseen, he text me on nineteen nine,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Look, I think he's got that sort of same thing
as he's not a classic politician, and I think people
are a little bit sick of slick sort of although
he's been a mayor up North as well, but I
think he fits into that mold at the moment, which
is a little bit grumpy, a little bit cantankerous, someone
who's not a classic politics.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Actually here's the word.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I think that that you've that you've sort of encircled neatly,
whether or not you like him, you feel you know
him because he is He's unequivalently Wayne Brown. He's authentic.
What you see is what you get. And I think
that there's you wouldn't ever bear with him though, would
you know?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
What would you? Of course I would. I think it'd
be hilarious, like absolutely, what would be because you're mad? Uncle?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think he's Look, he's an interesting person outy, but
I think it's too easy to sort of just say
he's a bit mad and all that sort of thing
when you know that.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think he's good. The impression is.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
That he's getting a few things done at least, and
I love the fact that he goes. He went up
near where Victoria Street were in the road Cone Central,
and he just wandered around talking to the camera game
see what is this here for? They've got this lane
and it's the biggest car park in Auckland and they're
making it into one lane's And he was just simply saying,
this is ridiculous. And I was watching the video going,
I know what you mean, and I'm with you. I
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don't know what you know. We've got to see some
legislation around Auckland transport and everything, Paul, I don't.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Well, it's an interesting question.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
You two obviously have different views on this, but political relatable,
it's a is a real issue and the key question
we always ask is would you have a beer with them?
And we're asking that in terms of national politicians, Yes,
And I don't know what the answer would be for
Aucklander's I mean Tim would say years, but I just
don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I have a beer, look, I'd sit down an interested
in I would have it, sit down and have a
beer with it.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
With Looey Swarbrick as well, I think.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Interesting, quite relatable to Yeah, even though I think kind
of every own and again I makes my head spin,
But I think my first pick for sitting down for
a for a beer and a file mignon would be
Winston Peters and whiskey.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think, I just like.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It'll be a late start in an early finish.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Which politician would you?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
So, I was just thinking that I've had a bit
to do with politicians throughout my career. There are very
few I would have a beer with, I think, but
I really like David Shearer.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
He was he's gone, liked him a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And I'll tell you who is actually in real life
a really good, interesting guy, And you'd have to sit
down and have a beer with them, as honey, how
do we okay?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, just don't let don't don't don't bring the cameras.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
What about you, Bill, I'm still thinking to him, I'm
still thinking.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You'll have I reckon, You've got a name that instantly
came to mind, but you're busy vetting it going.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It's just a right, Is that right?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
No, I'm not, Actually i'm not. I'm normally quite open
about these things. But it's a really interesting question. So
who would I have a beer with?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I think there's I like the Racontours. So you know,
anyone who's who's got a sense of humor, bit of wet.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
They out of a beer with. Is a really good
guy Don McKinnon.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Okay, he's out of the picture these days. It has
to be a current parliamentary save it till next time.
We got to move on.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Hey, by the way, so what about Quilla the song,
or the or the drink? Now?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Look, hey, wannach is making a big effort to be
in the news. The days they've had the kids indulging
in mass punch ups on New Year's Eve, they've been
rending their garments over the possibility of having McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
But now it seems they.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Don't also want poor people and middle class people and
wanakare getting medical attention. That story about fees as high
as a thousand bucks urgent after our medical care. There
was somebody called up for that. I need a fifteen
minute consultation. They're told to be five hundred bucks. I
can't get my head around this. Whether there's something missing
in the story, but apparently the starting rate to walk
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in the doors two hundred.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And eighty or something.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
I can I add some context here because I'm you
want to command well, no, no, but I'm speaking of
Wonica next week. So I've actually done some work around it.
What's interesting about Queenstown Lakes outside the major centers is
our major growth area, and everything is under strain. So
I coming out of coming out of Queenstown the other day,
it took over an hour on the traffic really took yeah, yeah,
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because of that road. There's only that road that goes
out to the airport, and it's everything is understrained down there,
and so the growth has gone. Population grows gone way
ahead of the provision of facilities and services, so they're
having to backfill. And I think that's one of the
major problems. I mean, I think there are other things
going on there, but let's let me put that one there.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
This is kind of surge pricing as we.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, and it's and it's a the demand has grown,
but they haven't supplied the infrastructure and services for it.
You wouldn't you wouldn't want to have a heart attack
in Wanica or anywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Actually, there's a good there's a good slogan.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Wana don't have a heart attack here.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And that's sort of it's a bit of a sort
of a nice conflict.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
And the good people in Wanica. That was not me
that said that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Come and carget, and come and target and Wana give
yourself a heart attack in Wantaka.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
We're that exciting. I just don't expect any help when
you do.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
But before COVID and everything and and like, this is
also a major destination for international visitors. This is this
is New Zealand that appears on the on the biscuit tins.
You know that people want to see, so everybody wants
to go there. But before COVID, I remember this was
an issue all over New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We had so many foreign visitors coming in that we.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Just hadn't kept up with the infrastructure. And probably the
area of infrastructure that struggling the most of the moment
is health.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You just can't get doctors to go to places. And
it was bad in Wanica.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
It's really bad in Dargaville, and it's you know, other
parts of the Far North and things like.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
That, the West Coast South trying to get a GP
or a junior doctor in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
While you guys have been talking about that, I've been
I've been thinking about slogans because I was thinking, well,
of course we had listen to us and everyone must
go for no.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I just love it, you know. I think that.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Give yourself a heart attack in Wonica. I think is
a great and we're that exciting. It's better than better
than the New Zealand one. Everyone must everyone must go.
And I mean I don't really care about it that much.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
You're never going to compete with where the bloody hell
are you?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
But didn't they realize the number of people leaving the country.
Here's an advertisement for more to go.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yes, I'm going to I'm going to keep workshopping the
Wanaka slogan because I think we're into it with the
adventure tourism, come and kill yourselfrom Monica and the skydiving.
Sorry that was the wrong way to put that. That
was the wrong way to put that. You know what
I mean, Hey, just actually tell you what we need
to take a break. It's twenty two minutes to four.
This is News Talks.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
He'd be.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yes, Welcome back to the weekn and Collective. This is
the panel, Paul Spoonley and Mark Kraisler. I guess I'm
Tim Beverage. Now we've covered some Auckland news, We've covered
some Wellington news, but just in terms of maybe Wan
Brown could we've covered Wonica and now we're into christ
and this interesting plan.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
This one.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
So I don't know if you guys have noticed illegal
but dumping in your neighborhood. We don't get too much
of it where I live, but there's a city council
in christ Church wants christ Church residents to be allowed
to dispose of other people's illegally dumped rubbish for free.
There is a catch here, I think in his plan,
but it's Aaron Kewan. He reckons that people would pick
up rubbish and take it to the tip if they
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saw it illegally dumped in their neighborhood, but they only
if it was free. I think the weakness is that
everyone's going to turn up and say.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Rubbish it mine?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Is that a problem?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You probably live somewhere really Poshmark Chryst. I'd imagine you
don't have much dump rubbish unless it's I do.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
I was out of the dump the other day actually,
and oh my god, it's expensive. It cost me, like
I don't know, forty fifty bucks to dump, you know,
take a ute load out to the dump.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Really Actually, I just go to a refuse station where
they do you actually go all the way out to
the actual tip.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and you like to sort of get there smell
the filth.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
It's definitely a smell of my childhood. We used to
leave with more than we took. Yeah, my dad was
a shocker.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It was like, oh my godness, let's go home, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Oh no, I could do something with this, and they
thrown that.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It was a great Kiwi think the old dumps. It
reminds me of that Quick from Black add It. It's
like or the Life of Brian.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's like, oh, Dennis, there's some real filth down here.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Do you well, do you an illegal dumper?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No?
Speaker 6 (30:36):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
No, I'm not thank you to him, but I do
think I do think rubbish generally illegal dumping of rubbish
has become quite an issue, and you notice it around
in some of our river ways and parks, and I
just you know, you get to a car park, you're
going for a walk in this whole lot of rubbish there.
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But but but why are you expecting other people to
pick this up and take it to the day even if.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
It's for free.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Surely there are so many cameras around in so many
ways of identifying who can do this.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, maybe that's the cure.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Maybe you because I mean his plan it sounds great,
But if you turned up with rubbish and sidah, this
was dumped on the curb. I mean, how many people
are going to do that to save themselves forty or
fifty bucks or something. But it's maybe maybe it needs
to be The fines for illegal dumping need to be
Singapore frightening because you know most public offenses in Singapore.
You drop it, you drop a cigarette, it's six hundred bucks.
(31:30):
I think, second defense. I think it's like fifteen hundred
third defense prison, Yeah, penalty, third time. Okay, And did
you notice there was a council. There's several councils that
if you put in the incorrect rubbish in the bin
three times you lose the bin. Councils generally are beginning to.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Tighten up, and I think it's partly a cost cutting exercise. Yeah,
it was also probably on the other side, people are
just finding it expensive the me and you found.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It in mind, if you lose your bin, then what
do you do?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Yeah? Illegal, illegal, it's a.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Problem, that's yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I just wish the person whose dog takes a dump
right outside our front door three times.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
A week picks it up. Really, someone doing that on
your property?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
No, well we live very close to it, like we're
about a meter from the path to our door. But yeah,
people walking dogs around there. And this is we live
in a in a pretty good part of Auckland, and
so I just think, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
A personal plea from Mark Kraft. So if you're out there, list.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
The People's Republic of Saint Mary's Bay, Okay, sort of
like the cousin of Herne Bay.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Isn't it the cheapest house and the second most worst house,
best streets? Always a good plan.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Hey, look, I have a personal interest in this in
a way, not because I've been approached to by the new.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
James Bond, but it is pretty big news.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think one of the things that's meant that the
James Bond franchises sort of stay true to its origins
is that it's always been in the hands creatively speaking
of either Cubby or his he's the late Kubly Broccoli
or his wife Barbara, and Simon G.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Wilson.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I think I don't give us the first name, right,
I said Simon Wilson. I suddenly threw myself there.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Michael Wilson. Michael was Michael Wilson.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
And they've given control creative control of the James Bond
franchise to Amazon MGM, which I don't really have a
big problem with because they killed him off on the
last one, so I mean it's hardly like they didn't
really look after him. In the end of that, you
can say, Tim, it's changed. I mean, it hasn't stayed
true to its original thing because it's moved all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It was quite camp there for.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
A while with Roger Moore and Roger Moore and you know,
and and then Daniel Craig kind of sharpened it up.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I thought he was a really great Bond. I mean
the dangerous that, you know, what they've done with Marvel
or something.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
When they exploit the franchise that they dilute it and
then it just loses its excitement.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Yeah, I'm a Sean Connery fan. All the Bonds after
that were just a week No. But it's going to
be interesting to see because is the inclination for these
guys to then remake it. I'm a great Jack Reacher person,
but in terms of who they cast as Jack Reacher, honestly.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Oh well, the casting decision to cruise. The casting decision
is absolutely crucial.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
And crucial, and didn't the Broccolis insist upon a British
actor even though there was an Irish and Australia.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
They went with George Lazenby. But I mean there was
a guy. He was the worst advice from his agent ever.
He did one movie and his agent said, don't stick
around this. This franchise isn't going anywhere. Australian nit where
model George Lasenbee. Funnily enough, he fronted a He fronted
the Music of James Bond concert in Australia and shared
(35:01):
too many pretty much outrageous exploits that offended the audience.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Wasn't Sam Neil once seriously considered.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I think so, I mean the number of people whose
names have been considered for it. I think all the
James Bonds have generally been right for their generation. We
look back Roger More. People were looking for a bit
of a change from the Sean Connery things, so they
went to the Roger Moore thing, who had a lighter touch.
And then I mean it's the Timothy Dalton and then
Brosnan's first movie. I thought he was outstanding.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
He was good, he was good, he was didn't the Aussies,
didn't the English say about George Lazenby, It was Bond,
Bruce Bond.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Actually it's worth actually well actually I would say this
because I produced concerts with around the Bond stuff. By
the way, if you're in Hamilton Hamilton Arts next Saturday
with the Symphony.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Orchestra, it'll be great.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
But where would these films be? You can look at
Star Wars, you can look at Bond. I mean look
at the music of the Bond films every year that
goes from back from Billie Eilish, most recently Shirley bas
Where would the and where would that film Serah be
without that iconic music as well? Everyone now, I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Don't they always worth waiting for?
Speaker 5 (36:12):
And the thing is, like these other ones, they took
their time bringing them to you know, bringing them to life,
and now they haven't even got an actual bond so
they don't even have a movie, so how far away?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And the other thing, sorry Mark, but the other thing
that strikes me is that the early Bonds were really
a product of the Cold War. And perhaps perhaps you
know what we started this conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
With, by the way, I mean, it's worth mentioning. I
don't think we'll be ever seeing that. The outrageous names
of the Bond women that we saw in the past past.
Why do we have Xenia on the top, pussy Galore?
And my favorite was what was that first one? Oh,
she was Honey Rider was the first one. Pussy Galore
and James and Goldfinger, and then there was Xenia on
(36:58):
a top. And there was one who wasn't very well
known that I quite thought was a cute one was
betrue Me. She was a Chinese assassin. Anyway, we will
be back in just a moment.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's ten two four news talks. He'd be but don't go.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
He will part him Yah, but his life can disguise.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What you.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Knows when he's kissed her.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
It's the kiss sun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I love a bit of Shirley Bassie.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Hey, we thought we'd I thought we'd finished whether Really
I love this the last story we're going to talk about,
and it's to me it's the best of you know
what makes kiwi's kiwi's. And I've seen the video of this.
So there was a man who had a seizure while
driving on an Auckland motorway I think was the Northwestern
Motorway and you just see this car just start to
(38:02):
drift off the lane. There's another car's got the camera
running and this guy gets out and he jumps, he
runs along. He's signaling to the car slow down. He
runs and jumps in the side window to apply the
handbreak because the driver of the car is having a
heart attack. Then you see three trade's in their orange
vests or something following as well. And I just love
(38:23):
the fact that somebody saw something wrong. Did you see
the video of this image? Go to the New Zealand
Hill website. It's amazing, isn't.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's heart warming?
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Isn't it?
Speaker 4 (38:31):
It really is people act and emergencies they act to
help others. They made a decision really quickly and it
was a good outcome.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
And let's all be thankful. It was during the Awkland
rush hour because everything was moving as.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Slow walk.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Because it does sound quite flashess like I got out
on the motorway and I chased the car down.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
It's like he's actually briskly walking if you see it.
And the other interesting thing is that the guys that
ran in their in their in their vests afterwards were
his workmates. He'd been working during the day as an
host and they are on the truck going home and
he'd driven past, you know, might have given them a
bit of a raz or something like that.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
But I just look, actually, because it took some initiative.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
You're in a busy motorway and he got out, and
the guy who was driving the car, you know, was
I think it was an unexpected obviously an unexpected medical event.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But I was just thinking, how brave, how you know
It's one thing to go something's wrong there, to being.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I'm the one I'm going to act and get out
of my car and prevent potentially a tragedy. And let's
be honest, most people would just say, what's this iffing
idiot doing you know, in the driving would have been angry.
He could have been a road rage incident, all those
sorts of things. It's it's really amazing to see.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
The other amazing thing is how many people have dashboard cams.
Oh yeah, by the way, and why we should give
a shout out to the guy? Did? His name is
Jeff Benjamin? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:55):
And I think you know what a great key we
and I think it's not. I think every now and
again we just need some of these lovely, heartwarming stories to.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Not every now and then every day to we need Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I underplayed it, Deny. I meant all the time. We
need more of it, don't we spread the love? We
need more of the guys like the silver foxes in
the studio. Yes, it is because there's a little bit
of silver, but you have fox.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Hey. There might be snow on the roof, mate, but
there's a fire down below.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Okay, Okay, I think that means it's whole time home time.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I must to have a coup teen to lie down. Anyway,
we will be back with one roof radio show.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
New guest in this Yuaro Elsewelf joins us to discuss Renovano.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
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