August 24, 2024 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And a very good afternoon to you on Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday, the twenty fourth
of August. Gosh, I always say the date because it
just reminds me how far through the year we're getting.
Soon people will be saying, first of September, it's spring,
but of course I go with the geological time of spring.
But that'll be another topic for another day in September.
But look well, looking forward to company through the course
of the show, just looking further ahead for the one
(00:30):
REEF Radio Show. From four o'clock, Ed McKnight's joining us
to have a chat about a bunch of things. Can
we bank announcing No, not sorry. We're talking about competitive
rates for mortgage and haggling for a bit, haggling for
a better interest rate, and where do you go and
can you actually ever haggle for it? You just have
to go with what the bank tells you. And from
five o'clock for the Hall on a minute, I've got
(00:52):
my here we go five o'clock we got a new guest,
Kim Harvey's joining us to talk about building healthy habits
and children and actually using their addiction to their phone. Well,
this is not the way she's putting it. It's the way
I'm putting it, using their addiction to technology to actually
get them out the door, which does sound like a
bit of an oxymoron. But we'll be exploring that further.
I think there's something to do with setting them digital
challenges on the physical front. But anyway, we'll be discussing
(01:13):
that and that and how whether I've misdescribed that with
Kim at five o'clock. But right now it is time
for the panel, and my panelists a couple of us.
I haven't written, really written down detailed introductory notes for
these guys because they're both broadcasting legends and their own respect.
And I'm going to go age before beauty. Actually, actually,
you know what, I don't know who's good.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Guy's gonna have to cut us in half and count
the rings.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Tell you what, Let's just go with the beauty first
and forget the age. That's even worse too.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I'll go and get that sade. You can keeping.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
As soon as I said that, I was like, hell,
I'm going to anyway, Look, let's go talking. Yeah, I
don't know. Look, the Silver Fox are broadcasting. There we go,
Mark Kreisel, it's you. That's good. That's good. Moving on,
how are you, Mark asked to see.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Good mate, I'm good, I'm good. It feels like spring
here in Auckland today.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I came in a my T shirt today.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
For some reason, and all full respect for the rest
of the country, because I don't know what the weather's like.
You're so thoughtful, maybe not so good, but here in
Auckland it's spring light.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well. Also, I think they're conditioning in the studio, may
be a little warm as well, so that could be
giving you a false sense of security, because in terms
of the color of the sky, it's looking pretty wintery
and gray and not particularly exciting. And you're well, you're good,
you look well. Lovely to see you and.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You can see people.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You can guess why. I suddenly realized it was age
before beauty. But here's another beauty. Here is Peter wolf
Camp something of a silver Fox, but not as silver
as Mark cries, or possibly I'm digging the hole as
deep as I can go.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
How are you, Peek, I'm very well, thank you excellent.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
What have you been keeping up with?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Funny, old well, interesting old day today. I've just come
from an ordinational yours not something you do Saturday, because
you are the high priest building. Young Chapy has been
in the parish and he's chaplain to the school. It
was ordained today as a as a Catholic priest. It's
quite an event.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I don't imagine it's common these days.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Actually, you know, there's not a lot of them, to
be fair.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Chaplain as well. I like I like the word chaplain.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I don't know what school. Oh yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know why, but it seems it sort of
seems priestly sounds a bit holier, but chaplain sounds like,
you know, just go and catch up with the chaplain.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Thirty two, thirty thirty three, something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Just a boy, yeah, just a boy indeed.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
But it was really lovely.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
How many people went.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Oh, Saint Pat's would have been pretty full. And then
you know, typically it's it's also an opportunity for effectively
his brother priests together as well, So a couple of
bishops and a whole bunch of priests, a whole.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Bunch, oh my god, imagine that just be crazy would
be getting into the communion wine just be going off.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It was really lovely. So an unusual thing to do
on a Sunday, but that's.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
What I keep forgetting.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You're a good Catholic boy?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Good well, well maybe but yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Boy, no good questionable anyway. Hey, nice Toavy on the show. Guys, right,
let's let's get into it. Have you been following? Oh, Mark,
of course I know the answer to this question. Have
you been following this week? The Democratic I do I
have in the States?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah? I mean, wow, man, they know how to throw
a party, don't they. Those guys incredible. Like the speeches
that I saw were amazing. On point, the Democrats just
seem to be hitting upon the thing now of hope
rather than despair, and that they're really marking themselves out
(04:48):
against Trump, who is still you know, we're all going
to die. This country's going down the toilet and only
I can save it. So I'm really excited to see
what comes next.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Any speeches or appearances that stood out the most.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Michelle Obama was amazing, amazing speaks every four years and
it's a pow and apparently you know you don't want
to follow her, so so her husband, who you may
have heard of Barack, but he was not so keen
to follow her apparently, But she was amazing. I thought
(05:22):
Tim Waltz was pretty amazing as well. Actually Kamala was, yeah,
kind of subdued compared to the other ones. Hillary was,
Hillary Clinton was amazing, and actually Bill was pretty amazing
as well. He very wise, kind of but lots of
good little zingers in them.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, enough to provoke Trump and to sort of, you know,
obviously people he pretended. I think he was pretending he
wasn't watching. He would have been glued to it, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So it was interesting. I looked at the ratings for it,
and the ratings were really high for people over the
age of fifty five and very low for eighteen to thirty.
But what I think is, and that's why they way
they tailor it, those speeches are full of zingers, so
people be watching clips of those singers rather than the
whole thing will be those will be getting through.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well the other thing, don't I don't watch them. I
don't watch the actual conference at all. I watched the
late night shows because that's sort of how you get
your politics news in a way, but you know where
they're coming from. There's a certain slant to each one.
But I just to be honest, I watched a bit
of Stephen Colbert, who was in that amazing The thing
that blew me away was the theater he was in.
(06:27):
It was about four thousand people and it was this
colossal theater. But Pete, what did you make of it all?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I didn't get the opportunity to look at it in depth,
But it is that those takeouts and watching Barack Obama
come up very funny. Couple of real zingers, a couple
of great One line is having a go at Trump.
And I do like your comment about the sentiment of
hope being there that rather than it being a really
negative campaign, kind of a tearing down, it's like, okay,
(06:56):
well you can say whatever you want and behave how
you want. This is our goals, These are our aspirations,
this is our dream.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
To be fair. They gave the Dawn a bit of
a good kicking.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's funny. You know they don't like ad Hominem, but
they certainly gave it to him.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Michelle's old line of they go low, we go hi.
She stayed low.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
She gave him a good pummeling in the nads.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I listened to. I was listened to a podcast from
some people were who were there, some Brits, and they
were saying that what is extraordinary, you know we've all
I'm assuming we've all been to America, was just how
articulate every single speaker was that they all spoke from
the heart, they told stories, they connected with their audience
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on a deep emotional level. And that's something that Americans
do so well. You went to a national party or
a Labor party coence, Honestly, I can't imagine anything.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's a pretty rough comparison the rasmatas of any American
sort of or gathering versus in New Zealand do.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
The rhetoric so well. I've heard Winstons Peters speak incredibly
well at Chunk Bear in Gallipoli and really passionately and
when he fires up and he's focused in the right place,
and of course David Longe was amazing. But we just
don't do the oratory too well. I mean, Christopher Luxhon
is a shocking speaker. Is he even recycled speeches? Remember
(08:30):
this year and why use the same speech as he'd
used the year before?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Good on them? What economy.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Actually in the country.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
A lot of maybe back to US politics. It's it's
an interesting vibe because it's a celebration, but you're almost
behind the scenes. You almost feel this energy of the
complete relief that they're gone finally with you know, because
obviously we don't need to trawl over the political corpse
of Joe Biden, which is he's still present for the
time being, but you know, the relief that they must feel,
(09:01):
like apparently he's still got a he's got a bit
of a beef with Nancy Pelosi about it, but she's.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Get over it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, yeah, it was time to go. If he doesn't
it realize it now, he never will. I was waking
up every morning looking at my phone hoping for a
news alert saying he'd gone and gone. One day that
came through.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Interesting, there's been a poll in a couple of poles
in New Zealand. So Torbert Mills is done one Talbot
Mills whatever, and David Farrer's Courier Research. This is about
if you could vote in the election. This is poll
in New Zealanders and the overall results were for David
Farrer's company Harris fifty nine, Trump twenty five. I'msure seventeen
(09:39):
Torbert Mills. Is not much difference. Harris fifty five percent,
Trump twenty one percent, Unsure, wouldn't vote twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I love, wouldn't vote because we don't get a vote.
Like in many ways, I often think it can't. American
election is far too important to leave it to Americans
to vote, because I have people.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Saying to me when they on my overnight shows, like
they see me as a sort of middle maybe slightly
right conservative. I caught myself a social concer. I don't
get ready to give a toss about labels, to be honest,
but they're saying, how come you'd be a Democrats supporter?
And it's like, well, the whole American system, you could
easily be a center right supporter here and support Democrats.
(10:17):
The extremes at both ends are completely bonkers.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Well, Trump is Trump has taken the Republican Party just
way out there to the prairies somewhere, you know, And
I think you know that that means the sense that
he's just fled the center essentially, and the Democrats are
kind of coalescing in and around there, but you know,
still a little bit shell shocked and not quite knowing
how to deal with that. But I think one of
(10:40):
the things I was reading the other day is that
they're not going to respond to his attacks all the time,
and that takes a lot of the window out of him.
You know, he's if he's abusing them and calling them
names and things like that. And I think from now
on it's going to get dirty.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It's going to get it.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It'll be interesting to see the nasty race stuff, to
be nasty stuff about Kamala being a woman. You know,
he's already gone down that line of saying, well, I
didn't even know she was black, which was like, yeah,
well I think we can. I mean, there'll be people
are listening. He'll be Trump fans who can't stand listening
to us right now. But that's just the way it is.
I'm not I'm not a Trump fan at all. I
think he's an odious creton. But it looks like newsanders
(11:16):
aren't no anyway. But look, it's but in terms of
the showers, I tell you what politics and it is.
I mean, to be honest, if I was in town,
I'll be honest with you. If I was in America
and there was a Trump rally, a Trump rally in town,
I'd go to that, And if I was the Democrat Rallier,
I'd go to that too, because it's just a couple
of amazing postcards of America. I mean, who wouldn't I
(11:39):
remember going to see a Robert Muldoon when I was
a kid in New Plymouth, sneaking in but you may laugh,
but it was electric, you know. The guy could really
get a crowd going, you know, and in many ways.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
He was kind of our track. That doesn't get my
opponent's much time done.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's it's just such an interesting little little jump and
topic from you know, we're going to an American or
a Republican or a d all that. I went to
Rob Muldoon once.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Peter, I certainly remember Muldoon. David Longey came to school.
I think for our something that it was the local
MP back in the day.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't know, the local just doesn't compete well.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
LONGI was an extraordinary space and so so was Muldoon.
They were They were natural politicians in many way.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Excellent. Oh well, the show, it's showburs and it's going
to be rolling for how many more days?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Is it still November? The first Tuesday of November, the.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Debates will be the next thing I'll be looking for. Well, anyway,
let's move on ACC this ye ACC has released stats
showing the burden of alcohol and the health system. So
nine point one. I think that there's data. It's sort
of In twenty eighteen, there were nine hundred deaths caused
by alcohol, twenty nine thousand hospitalizations, nine point one billion
(13:11):
dollar in harm cost. But here's the stat that absolutely
blew me away. Half of that due to fetal alcohol
spectrum disorder. Oh my lord, I mean, this is the
problem with alcohol moderation and extremes of the extremes are devastating.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I think you find if you looked deeply into our
the people that are in our prisons as well, a
large number of those would be people who were suffering
from fetal alcohol.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's just that that's a devastating standard.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, we know this. We
know that alcohol causes immeasurable harm in our society, domestic violence,
car accidents. You know, it's it's if it was brought
out today, they often say it wouldn't be made legal,
and you know eighty percent are drinking responsibly. But this
(14:02):
report makes alcohol look like the new tobacco.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, But the thing is there's eighty percent of people
apparently drink responsibly and moderate drinking. Fine, that's the thing.
That's that's the extremes, Isn't it so damaging? So even
glass of pinot in the evening or charros or whatever, you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
It's the really hard thing is that when we start
to talk about it, you know, chances are I'm going
to have a glass of wine tonight with dinner. You
may well you are not.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now starts with a bottle.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than
the front or the bottom.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Of Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
The challenge with the topic is that as soon as
we get starting to talk about it, and then we
look at our own behavior, and then we start to
think about to some degree our own and then it
becomes a sort of binary thing. It's either good or
it's bad, and the temptation then is to go right,
that's it. We're going to start banning it and make
it more difficult to access, et cetera, et cetera. Eight moderation.
(14:58):
That's a lot of harm caused by very few people.
Just staggering.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Really, I think we are too tolerant of alcohol, but
we're too tolerant of bad behavior with alcohol. To me,
it feels like one of those things. If you can
be a responsible person, you're not going to be a dickhead.
When you've had a few drinks, then fine, But as
soon as you do. I remember back in my law days,
it used to be a mitigating factor in crime, and
(15:22):
I'm not sure if it still is. It's like the
judgment you took a swing at something, but you're on
in my client and had a drink or two. I
think it should be the other way around. If you
take a swing at someone because you've had a drink
or two, you should be it should be an aggravating factor.
And I think that's the problem, is that we tolerate
dickhead behavior when people have had too much alcohol. It
should be the opposite. It should be the uncoolest, most
(15:45):
aggravating thing you can do, and we should show it.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's cultural.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Do you think it's you know, in terms of like
us as young men, the attitude that we see, Yeah, exactly,
you know. I mean, you know, got a look in
the mirror. It's not a great picture. I know that,
But I look at at the young people that I
associate through my son and so on. I think the
attitude is changed. Like see there's some grounds it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Or they binge drinking with the ones who that's the binge.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Much less so I mean, I've been out with police
on a Friday night, just running around with the cameras
seeing what their Friday night's like, and it's an absolute zoo.
It's just crazy, and so much police time is wasted
with drunken.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Actually, here's that idea of mine and eds A if
I as a politician and I brought an out of
bell saying, if you are convicted of a crime, whatever penalty,
you will have thirty three percent attitude. If it's if
alcohol is at all a factor, would you support that?
Because I reckon it's like, tell you what, here's an example.
People who've got a problem with alcohol, they go to Singapore.
(16:46):
Do you think they get in trouble when they're in Singapore? No?
Because one booze is very expensive, but two because you
know that you are in deep doo dooos because society
doesn't tolerate.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I don't know if punitive measures actually work that well.
I mean I think that like drugs. This is probably
more of a health issue, like if you were if
you if you were getting in trouble. And I've been
to the Dragon alcohol courts and they do incredible work
and they make a real difference, and that's a different
approach to it. I mean, I think one other thing
is that like even though even in small amounts, alcohol
(17:18):
is a carcinogen. You know, there are a bunch of
cancers that were being caused by that that we probably
don't even know about it at the moment, but you know,
breast cancer is one and our high rate of breast
cancer in this country. Is that related to how much
alcohol we drink? Who knows, but you know, sometimes it's
better just to acrew the lid back.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Actually, it just reminds Moodels. That reminds me Pete of
our Olympic coverage that every time a reporter was on
there saying I'm going to go have a cheeky apparol
spritsas and it sort of the drink you could mention
without it seeming too naughty.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And then in the morning across on. I think it
is good that will can counsel thing to reduce trading hours.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, our Beanngo.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It seems fairly sensible, you know. I mean, if you
have to go and stock up again at nine o'clock
at night, probably bigger issues.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
To be honest.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I went to we ran out of apparol. We picked
that habit up when we were in Paris as well,
and I thought, oh, it's too late. It's eight o'clock.
We run out. Wonderful I can. And I thought it'd
be too late because eight o'clock seemed like to be
going out. And of course we went down the road
and it's like there's a there's a bottle store now
our next to the wards and still open, and like,
I mean they closed before nine.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
They drink differently over there though, don't they know as fast?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Just sippers?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
We're gold colors, scalars.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Are you talking about are you talking in St Hele
is there we're sippers or are you talking about in France?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
In France?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I went out last night. I caught up with some
of my old mates, my old Sunday mates at the
at the pub, and I could not believe how expensive
it was, Oh my god, to buy around. I bought.
I bought two drinks, yeah, a pint.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's not around. Oh okay, that's around. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
How much do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sixty dollars?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No? Just under thirty thirty one dollar us?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
What you got four drinks and it was just under
two drinks too? Sorry, I heard I heard some. I
heard you described.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Hear what you want to hear them? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, hey, I'm lo in the bag, mate, Pete. Last
weord before we go to the break. Don't drink no, like,
don't buy around.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
When I think about you know, me and my mates
at at you know, in our late teens, early twenties,
and I look around at some of the young people
that I know now, I'm cautiously optimistic that maybe they've
got their act together in a way that we didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Ee, let's fingers cross. Good on you, Pete wolfsh optimist,
Good on you. Okay, we're going to take a quick break.
Be back in just a moment. It's twenty six and
a half past three. This is the panel on the
Weekend Collective and those familiar voices you hear, Mark Krayzel
and Pete wolf Camp will be back in just a
moment news talks. He'd be and welcome back to the
Weekend Collective. This is the panel on Tim Beverage and
(20:00):
my guests are Mark Krysl and Pete wolf Camp. Hey, guys,
the America's Cup started this week, and well, I mean
in the America's Captain the Prix sort of louisvuitan regatta
sort of thing. And I did go on to YouTube
because I'm quite an America's Cup fan and started watching them.
I was like, oh, I'm back on Yeah, so I'm
quite into it. Pete, what about you, Pete?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I did actually spend a little bit time this morning
watching some replays or something from the Overnight one.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, well once it gets i.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Mean two days. Yeah, But of course Team New Zealand
toll be disappointed because two of their I mean, Prita
sort of did. They lost all their systems for about
twenty seconds, so that was gone, and the French pulled out.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
They just had to start and then they went as
soon as they got across the line as a congratulation.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Forty something knots out of a twelve knot breeze.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
No, noats, look insane. They looked like there was some
sci fi terminator to tonight movie. But is it sailing?
Oh my god? So they dropped out because the electric
the electrics failed. I mean, really, I'm not seeing people
running around putting spinnakers or anything. I'm not. I barely
(21:07):
see anything. We're a bit faster than that, a little
head popping up above it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's high techt sailing, I guess. And it's like saying
when you're I mean, you'd be like the guy who
flies a tiger moth, who looks at someone who's in
the lea jet going but is it flying?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well? Yeah, okay, I mean I feel I can't quite
buy into it. Since they went to Barcelona.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Does that still ir it irks me?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, and you know, I mean I love Barcelona. It's
beautiful city and all that kind of thing. Also, the
time zones not not great for watching it. You can
watch the replay and the coverage is great. Yeah, but
it's not quite the same lists here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, but I mean, do we want to look at
I'm not so, I'm not so much like that. I
think we've we The problem is we had the one
that we hosted here was Sport by COVID, and then
the money just isn't there. I mean, you remember the
mb you got in trouble for basically not been quite
upfront with the way things were going on either. And
I sort of think, you know, you either where either
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respect that their professionals sailors and they need the best
of equipment and the best of funding or not. I
just think it was I don't know, the days of
the Red Sox. I think, come on, we've got to
get over it. And I just hope. I just hope
they can.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But I don't expect to get as much support as you
want to.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well that they don't need to. They've got mine. I mean, Pete,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I think I would prefer that it was here, right
And if you're going to say that your team New Zealand,
then you compete here.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
But there's no money, what do you do with let's
compete here and lose it? You change the rules.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You change the rules so you don't have to you know,
you can only spend a certain amount. You know, if
you're the holder, you can do whatever you want, you know. Yeah,
I don't know. I just sort of think it's all
about it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It's all about it changes.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
The rules, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Because there is no cap is there?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't Evan and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Actually, I don't know if there's a cat. Yeah, I
don't really know. Anyway, Look, I think it's fun. You're
such a pooh pooy there. That's what my daughters would say.
You're so poo pooey, Mark, you just conjured up in anyway. Look,
it's by the way, if you're listening, you can check
it out on YouTube. But it's early days. But if
you do like the sale, my favorite one was when
we won it back back over in the Bahamas. I think,
(23:28):
wasn't it that that's about a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Was it the part I remember the San Francisco one?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Oh yeah, that's right. No, we don't remember that one
because we like to forget bad memories. Hey just understand, Well,
I think that's that's a reason me light topic for
something even lighter. Ben Boyce, who's one of the hosts
of the hits here it ends at me. He's he's
pranked his daughters on TikTok And normally I wouldn't be
(23:55):
into this, but I watched the video and he basically
goes into a drive through I think it's McDonald's, and
he uses all the language of the young and they're
basically dying a death in that. Anyway, we're going to
play a little clip of it. But he's got three
point four million views on TikTok, and I have to
say I almost don't understand a single word he's saying. Here,
but here it is hi, hi fan. I'm kind of
(24:20):
feeling skivity, so I've got off my gat so to
come up to riz up my chicken please, I r L.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Thank that sounds sigma.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's just one check.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm thirsty, so maybe have Do you have a minium lemonade?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And it sounds bussing?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you have the Sunday?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
If you have the sundow will hat the gritty no cap?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
All my daughters are don't be so yeah, let's.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Got chocolate, weird flex small great, thanks, that's all good. Yeah, anyway,
it's it is worth watching Chris. There's a just absolutely
cringing in the background.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Mortified.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I used I used one hip word in front of
my daughters the other day and they're like, oh Dad,
you're so cringey, which is why I looked at this
and thought, Ben, You're my hero. I think I'm gonna
I'm gonna try this myself. Do you understand any of
that people.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Actually, I wonder whether he may well have sort of
shone a light on a dark secret of parenthood, which
is that our job is to embarrass the hell out
of children in the opportunity particular need to embrace that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Is that that he is He's nailed it. Yeah, that's
a gold medal.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, vibe, chick, hit the gritty. No cap means no joke,
I'm being serious. Cap means you're lying or joking. Where
does the stuff come? Busting means very good. I can
understand that one rez having a game that sort of
makes that makes a little bit of sense, very good.
The one that I the one that annoys me is sick.
Oh that's so sick. It's like, but that's but that
means good. But that's least he didn't use that one.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's not at least twenty years old sick, is it? Okay,
that's not that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I just catching up.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Really, my daughter uses sligh a lot. Oh yes, and
legit legit is one at least.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
That's halfway in English word.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, yeah, legit, Well legit is actually that is English,
it's system abbreviation. It's not actually that hip. So yeah,
we're not that cool with that one. We can probably
do better. I need to go check my teenage that
saw us.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You know, when you look at you, when you look
at popular culture, dads are complete defaces. There are very
few hero heroic dads right in popular culture. Homer Simpson. Yeah,
Pepper pigs, dad daddy people, they're always like and so
kids are going out with these appalling role models. We
(26:39):
have got a chance, No wonder, we're struggling.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, do you do? Do you like you work in
the media? How does how do? But did you ever
embarrass your your daughter with dad stories?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Every every joke of dad joke? Absolutely, they're very sophisticated.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
My joke dropping Joseph off outside, I drive in, right,
don't drive? Why are you driving in? Because I've got
my car pike up here? What do you mean you've
got a car park here? Oh it's my cow pick.
Oh you don't, Yes, you don't.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And then you what you're supposed to say is I'm
going to announce.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Your arrivals for a bit ye.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Anyway, at anyway, if you haven't seen it, he's got
three point four million views, I would say he's got
a bit of a payday coming to him. Problem because
there are a couple of other ones he's pinned have
also got about three million views. So Ben's killing it
on the tiktoks zero people.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He's a man of our times.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Exactly good and we'll be back in just a moment.
It's twenty two minutes to four news Talks the'd B
and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage,
my guests Mark Kreisel and Pete Wolfcamp. Aren't it well?
I don't know how much merriment we can have, so
let's have something serious. The Local Government New Zealand conference
took place this week. Luxon ruffled a few feathers, basically
(27:56):
telling basically telling councils to rain and the WISTE. I guess.
He said the government wants a constructive relationship with councils,
but that localism devolution comes with both rights and also responsibilities.
So here ruffled a few feathers. I think around New
Zealand generally people think oh, because councils are banging their
apes up and there doesn't seem to be the same
(28:17):
headlines around restraint. Pete Wolfcamp, what's your take?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Well, reading the paper this morning, reading the Herald this morning.
There's a story about a subdivision in west Auckland where
I think it's four hundred and seventy houses. We're consented right,
there's about four hundred of them built and occupied. At
the moment. All of the waste goes down the pipes
into a chamber where it then gets collected by trucks
(28:42):
and trucked away because nobody's put in the waste water.
Oh my god, so really so it kind of feels
like stick to your netting, council. Oh I say that,
I immediately want to leap in and go, you know,
for all of the criticism that councils sometimes get. I
was walking through Takapuna the other day where they've done
(29:04):
sort of a redevelopment of some of the walkways and
so on, and it's beautiful, and they had a light
festival there the other day and it was packed with
people enjoying themselves. And it's that like, well crafted, well
built public amenity is in fact really really good. But
then if the pipes are broken, you know, it's a
(29:27):
very difficult choice for counsels to make because nobody sees
the non sexy stuff, you know, the good infrastructure that
works reliably. No one's going to pat you on the
back for them.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Maybe when they do some new pipes, they should have
a big party to celebrate and say, look we've got
some new pipes. You can't see them right now, but
underneath here.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Instructure, the central interceptor story is a fantastic story.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What's that.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
You just flush toilet and think that it's all magic.
The fairies come and take your poos away. There's a
lot of fantastic progy, you know, and we should celebrate
that sort of infrastructure stuff. It's it's not sexy, it
doesn't get the headlines, but it's so absolutely critical.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What Mark, what do you what do you think of?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Because I think the Prime Minister was punching down. I
mean I think it's it's it's politicians get blamed for everything,
particularly government governments get blamed, clear Trevet said this morning.
But there is only one politic type of politicians that's
even more unpopular than the ones in the beehive, and
that's local body one now, and that's because we never vote.
(30:40):
This wowful amounts of people come out well and vote
for for counsels and then everybody else wines well, actually
get off your bums and vote and get in vote
or something and stop winging. And I'm actually getting really
sick of politicians of whatever h just blaming. Oh you're
(31:00):
not doing this, blame, blame, blame. What about some positive
solutions here? What are you said? Why did you just
help them? If it's not working, then step up and
help them. I think it's all about punishment. I'm sick
of it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Hell have a willing audience, I think, because it does
seem to be While the government's rhetoric is all around
trying to save money here and there, people's rate spells
have gone up quite substantially, and so you do want
to sort of think, well, okay, I want to see
the evidence that you're I want to just want to
show me the evidence that you're doing good job. And
the problem is, you get some good cans counsels, and
you get ones with a fairly broad mixture of competencies,
(31:34):
and it's, to be honest, it feels like a lottery.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I think a lot of it comes down to this
appalling infrastructure deficit we have in this country. With the
catch up we're playing rather than just constantly maintaining them,
were modernizing. But it's all of a sudden, we wake
up one day and think, oh my god, we need infrastructure,
and we start again and we've got to raise the money,
and then people don't want people to spend. We should
(31:57):
be spending at Auckland on a second halb, a crossing.
We should be starting it now, because every day we
delay and make the decision later it's going to be
another few billion, trillion, gazillion dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I think the way there's a Welling audience for this
is that to me, if I was to sum up
what I think of local government, I'd think Wellington's debating
whether to stick all these speed humps around whatever it
is Thornton Key or something, and actually forget about what's
above ground, start doing the stuff underground and you know,
stuff I just want to see. I think most people
just want to know that the basics are done well,
(32:30):
and you know, the other stuff maybe take a back
seat on the virtue signaling.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Well, that was the normal, enormous irony of the conference
in Welling. To step over a flash conference center and
then outside at two o'clock in the morning, a massive
will remain that's probably one hundred years old, bursts and floods.
You know, a couple of side streets you just go, come.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
On, that's just language. It's a water spout, it's a
tourist feature.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But I also think I agree. I mean, you've got
to do the basics. I agree, But you also want
to create a city that you want to live in,
that has festivals and parks and things for the kids
to do. And that's just as important. You know that
that you you grow some some love for the place
where you lived, some care, and that way you'll get involved.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
And yeah, for all of the disruption of Key Street,
if you go for a wander down here past Commercial
Bay and hop onto the ferry and go across and
look at the quality of that area now versus when
it was kind of like a small motorway and all
the rest of it is much better. It's probably been
wateringly expensive. It took seemingly forever to do, didn't get
(33:36):
it ready in time for the America's Cup. I remember
walking through there on a Sunday, going, how come there's
no one working? You know, why don't people want to
work on these projects on a Sunday?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I don't know. I just assume they did. On the
radio that's why this weak and collective. Yeah, number one nationwide.
By the way, did I say that it just slipped out?
I was thank you, thank you, thank you. It's thanks
to my quality guests like yourselves. Well, anyway, I resemble
that remark. I'm just going to go. We're just going
to take a couple of minutes so I can sit back,
have a couple of tea. The rest of my laurels.
At twelve minutes to four, Oh my goodness. Mark Kreisel
(34:12):
is absolutely grieven to the song from his I don't
know when that would have been love Shack, but there
it goes back a while. This panel, by the way,
Mark krysl just last week, doesn't And Pete Wolfcamp, this
is the panel on news talks'd be the weekend Collective.
Now another sort of slightly heavy topic. But the government
has stepped in after it was revealed that police have
intentionally not been enforcing a law banning smoking and vapor
(34:34):
and cars carrying children. I know that. I think probably
the police have a lot on their plates, but not
a single fine has been issued since the law came
into force in twenty twenty one. Pete Wolfcamp, what say you?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I guess it's more that they've got other jobs to do,
which they probably prioritize. And this is a sort of
public health issue. It's not a is it a criminal offense?
Obvious police want to be that group that's just right the.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Ticket and give it to them, see you later. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I kind of think they can barely get round to
burglaries or all, you know, all the retail crime and
all this kind of stuff. And if you if you're
diverting that that that small resource to picking up people
having a vape in their car while the kids are
in there.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I don't think you'd go out looking for them. But
if you pull someone right down the window and out
belows the smoke, then it's just like here, it's smoking
in a car. There you go, knock your hand.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Onto the list of seat belt, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You know what's worse is the mobile phone use of
people while striving in this country. Does my do you
ever use yours while you're driving? No?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Excellent?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No? At the Lions? Does that count?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes? It does count? Actually, people, I was asking for
a friend all the time in the car, I mean,
or googling. What is the meaning just it's it's a
useful time to make a catch up on phone calls.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Of course I do.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I used the phone on my hands free but but
but I wouldn't use I wouldn't but like be texting
or anything like that. I mean, but I'm seeing people
doing that all the time and no one's picking them up.
I find that that, to me is far more.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Back to this vaping thing, though, And it seems that
the police are like, well, if they're vaping in the car,
there'll be other problems and stuff and why. But it's
almost like what, I don't know what their excuse really
is in terms of if this is a law, you
enforce it, don't you as opposed to oh, well you
know there are there be other issues that play innutrition
as well. Yeah yeah, But I mean it's not like
do I charge you with something really serious or how
(36:41):
do I charge you for this fight you got? Until
we do we charge you with serious assault. It's just
it's it's like, if I'm going sixty five and I
get pulled over our cop, I'm getting a ticket. You're
smoking in the car while you've got kids. Maybe the
long term effects of that that's really serious.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Too, but not a single citation note, not a single one.
So let's say you do pull a car over and
they've been speeding and wind the window down. There's some
young children in the back, hopefully restrained, and mum or
dad's been vaping. Would you add that to the ticket?
You probably should.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, so, in fact, you know what it tells you.
It tells you that the police edict from management is
like the government passed this law, but you know what,
we're not enforcing it. Don't waste your time with it.
That to me, there can be no other excuse other
than management have decided to ignore the law, and anyone
going to push back on that, it'd be a pretty
hard thing.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
If you know, you see those the cop shows where
they're gathering around and the sergeants up there, and this
is what we're focusing on today. Team, let's go out
and find people that have been vaping.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
That cas no, but maybe a reminder of so much
more to do to.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I mean, I'm good try to. I'll give you that
good try.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But it clearly is a management thing, isn't it. They've
been told not to.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, yeah, I guess it's three years, three years of
not a fine, they can't even get the real big ones.
Well they've changed their approach now, but we'll see what
that means. Hey, just quickly, Leon McDonald's quit, well he's quit,
will have been quit or nudged or however it's gone.
There probably be a payout there somewhere, I must say.
I just you know, if it was Scott Robertson quitting,
I'd be more excited. But I just want them to
(38:16):
win in Southampia. Yeah, if this is the foster though,
we were been throwing our hands and then toys out
the colt completely. I mean I think the handle it
really well, it was quite clean. I'm going we didn't
get on. Yep, that's the grown up thing to do.
That happens sometimes in life, you know, and you move on.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah you've tried, and you move flush the dunny and
you move on. Just depends on how big the payout
is more the dunny, Yes, indeed, and hopefully we beat
them in South Africa. That would be the game. I'll
get up now, ye talk, Yeah we go. Hey, thanks
so much for your time, guys. We've got about thirty
seconds to say goodbye. Mark. What are he up to
you keeping? You've got a few plans in the world.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I have some mines in the fire. Let's just say
look out New Zealand. Good No, no no. When I
left Sunday, I thought I wanted to I still want
to tell stories, but I want to take it to
another level. And even if I fall flat on my face,
at least I had a crack.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And people's resonant builder. Of course, I'll come when you
do something. Yeah, six o'clock, get into it. Good on you.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I'll give you a call.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Do that, Okay, I'll set it to silent. Catch you soon.
We'll be bad for the parents. Wide is next. Thanks
to wonder Ifray of your show.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
And a very good afternoon to you on Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday, the twenty fourth
of August. Gosh, I always say the date because it
just reminds me how far through the year we're getting.
Soon people will be saying, first of September, it's spring,
but of course I go with the geological time of spring.
But that'll be another topic for another day in September.
But look well, looking forward to company through the course
of the show, just looking further ahead for the one
(00:30):
REEF Radio Show. From four o'clock, Ed McKnight's joining us
to have a chat about a bunch of things. Can
we bank announcing No, not sorry. We're talking about competitive
rates for mortgage and haggling for a bit, haggling for
a better interest rate, and where do you go and
can you actually ever haggle for it? You just have
to go with what the bank tells you. And from
five o'clock for the Hall on a minute, I've got
(00:52):
my here we go five o'clock we got a new guest,
Kim Harvey's joining us to talk about building healthy habits
and children and actually using their addiction to their phone. Well,
this is not the way she's putting it. It's the way
I'm putting it, using their addiction to technology to actually
get them out the door, which does sound like a
bit of an oxymoron. But we'll be exploring that further.
I think there's something to do with setting them digital
challenges on the physical front. But anyway, we'll be discussing
(01:13):
that and that and how whether I've misdescribed that with
Kim at five o'clock. But right now it is time
for the panel, and my panelists a couple of us.
I haven't written, really written down detailed introductory notes for
these guys because they're both broadcasting legends and their own respect.
And I'm going to go age before beauty. Actually, actually,
you know what, I don't know who's good.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Guy's gonna have to cut us in half and count
the rings.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Tell you what, Let's just go with the beauty first
and forget the age. That's even worse too.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I'll go and get that sade. You can keeping.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
As soon as I said that, I was like, hell,
I'm going to anyway, Look, let's go talking. Yeah, I
don't know. Look, the Silver Fox are broadcasting. There we go,
Mark Kreisel, it's you. That's good. That's good. Moving on,
how are you, Mark asked to see.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Good mate, I'm good, I'm good. It feels like spring
here in Auckland today.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I came in a my T shirt today.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
For some reason, and all full respect for the rest
of the country, because I don't know what the weather's like.
You're so thoughtful, maybe not so good, but here in
Auckland it's spring light.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well. Also, I think they're conditioning in the studio, may
be a little warm as well, so that could be
giving you a false sense of security, because in terms
of the color of the sky, it's looking pretty wintery
and gray and not particularly exciting. And you're well, you're good,
you look well. Lovely to see you and.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You can see people.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You can guess why. I suddenly realized it was age
before beauty. But here's another beauty. Here is Peter wolf
Camp something of a silver Fox, but not as silver
as Mark cries, or possibly I'm digging the hole as
deep as I can go.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
How are you, Peek, I'm very well, thank you excellent.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
What have you been keeping up with?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Funny, old well, interesting old day today. I've just come
from an ordinational yours not something you do Saturday, because
you are the high priest building. Young Chapy has been
in the parish and he's chaplain to the school. It
was ordained today as a as a Catholic priest. It's
quite an event.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I don't imagine it's common these days.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Actually, you know, there's not a lot of them, to
be fair.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Chaplain as well. I like I like the word chaplain.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I don't know what school. Oh yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't know why, but it seems it sort of
seems priestly sounds a bit holier, but chaplain sounds like,
you know, just go and catch up with the chaplain.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Thirty two, thirty thirty three, something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Just a boy, yeah, just a boy indeed.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
But it was really lovely.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
How many people went.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Oh, Saint Pat's would have been pretty full. And then
you know, typically it's it's also an opportunity for effectively
his brother priests together as well, So a couple of
bishops and a whole bunch of priests, a whole.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Bunch, oh my god, imagine that just be crazy would
be getting into the communion wine just be going off.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It was really lovely. So an unusual thing to do
on a Sunday, but that's.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
What I keep forgetting.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You're a good Catholic boy?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Good well, well maybe but yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Boy, no good questionable anyway. Hey, nice Toavy on the show. Guys, right,
let's let's get into it. Have you been following? Oh, Mark,
of course I know the answer to this question. Have
you been following this week? The Democratic I do I
have in the States?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah? I mean, wow, man, they know how to throw
a party, don't they. Those guys incredible. Like the speeches
that I saw were amazing. On point, the Democrats just
seem to be hitting upon the thing now of hope
rather than despair, and that they're really marking themselves out
(04:48):
against Trump, who is still you know, we're all going
to die. This country's going down the toilet and only
I can save it. So I'm really excited to see
what comes next.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Any speeches or appearances that stood out the most.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Michelle Obama was amazing, amazing speaks every four years and
it's a pow and apparently you know you don't want
to follow her, so so her husband, who you may
have heard of Barack, but he was not so keen
to follow her apparently, But she was amazing. I thought
(05:22):
Tim Waltz was pretty amazing as well. Actually Kamala was, yeah,
kind of subdued compared to the other ones. Hillary was,
Hillary Clinton was amazing, and actually Bill was pretty amazing
as well. He very wise, kind of but lots of
good little zingers in them.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, enough to provoke Trump and to sort of, you know,
obviously people he pretended. I think he was pretending he
wasn't watching. He would have been glued to it, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So it was interesting. I looked at the ratings for it,
and the ratings were really high for people over the
age of fifty five and very low for eighteen to thirty.
But what I think is, and that's why they way
they tailor it, those speeches are full of zingers, so
people be watching clips of those singers rather than the
whole thing will be those will be getting through.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well the other thing, don't I don't watch them. I
don't watch the actual conference at all. I watched the
late night shows because that's sort of how you get
your politics news in a way, but you know where
they're coming from. There's a certain slant to each one.
But I just to be honest, I watched a bit
of Stephen Colbert, who was in that amazing The thing
that blew me away was the theater he was in.
(06:27):
It was about four thousand people and it was this
colossal theater. But Pete, what did you make of it all?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I didn't get the opportunity to look at it in depth,
But it is that those takeouts and watching Barack Obama
come up very funny. Couple of real zingers, a couple
of great One line is having a go at Trump.
And I do like your comment about the sentiment of
hope being there that rather than it being a really
negative campaign, kind of a tearing down, it's like, okay,
(06:56):
well you can say whatever you want and behave how
you want. This is our goals, These are our aspirations,
this is our dream.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
To be fair. They gave the Dawn a bit of
a good kicking.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's funny. You know they don't like ad Hominem, but
they certainly gave it to him.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Michelle's old line of they go low, we go hi.
She stayed low.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
She gave him a good pummeling in the nads.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I listened to. I was listened to a podcast from
some people were who were there, some Brits, and they
were saying that what is extraordinary, you know we've all
I'm assuming we've all been to America, was just how
articulate every single speaker was that they all spoke from
the heart, they told stories, they connected with their audience
(07:48):
on a deep emotional level. And that's something that Americans
do so well. You went to a national party or
a Labor party coence, Honestly, I can't imagine anything.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's a pretty rough comparison the rasmatas of any American
sort of or gathering versus in New Zealand do.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
The rhetoric so well. I've heard Winstons Peters speak incredibly
well at Chunk Bear in Gallipoli and really passionately and
when he fires up and he's focused in the right place,
and of course David Longe was amazing. But we just
don't do the oratory too well. I mean, Christopher Luxhon
is a shocking speaker. Is he even recycled speeches? Remember
(08:30):
this year and why use the same speech as he'd
used the year before?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Good on them? What economy.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Actually in the country.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
A lot of maybe back to US politics. It's it's
an interesting vibe because it's a celebration, but you're almost
behind the scenes. You almost feel this energy of the
complete relief that they're gone finally with you know, because
obviously we don't need to trawl over the political corpse
of Joe Biden, which is he's still present for the
time being, but you know, the relief that they must feel,
(09:01):
like apparently he's still got a he's got a bit
of a beef with Nancy Pelosi about it, but she's.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Get over it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, yeah, it was time to go. If he doesn't
it realize it now, he never will. I was waking
up every morning looking at my phone hoping for a
news alert saying he'd gone and gone. One day that
came through.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Interesting, there's been a poll in a couple of poles
in New Zealand. So Torbert Mills is done one Talbot
Mills whatever, and David Farrer's Courier Research. This is about
if you could vote in the election. This is poll
in New Zealanders and the overall results were for David
Farrer's company Harris fifty nine, Trump twenty five. I'msure seventeen
(09:39):
Torbert Mills. Is not much difference. Harris fifty five percent,
Trump twenty one percent, Unsure, wouldn't vote twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I love, wouldn't vote because we don't get a vote.
Like in many ways, I often think it can't. American
election is far too important to leave it to Americans
to vote, because I have people.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Saying to me when they on my overnight shows, like
they see me as a sort of middle maybe slightly
right conservative. I caught myself a social concer. I don't
get ready to give a toss about labels, to be honest,
but they're saying, how come you'd be a Democrats supporter?
And it's like, well, the whole American system, you could
easily be a center right supporter here and support Democrats.
(10:17):
The extremes at both ends are completely bonkers.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Well, Trump is Trump has taken the Republican Party just
way out there to the prairies somewhere, you know, And
I think you know that that means the sense that
he's just fled the center essentially, and the Democrats are
kind of coalescing in and around there, but you know,
still a little bit shell shocked and not quite knowing
how to deal with that. But I think one of
(10:40):
the things I was reading the other day is that
they're not going to respond to his attacks all the time,
and that takes a lot of the window out of him.
You know, he's if he's abusing them and calling them
names and things like that. And I think from now
on it's going to get dirty.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It's going to get it.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It'll be interesting to see the nasty race stuff, to
be nasty stuff about Kamala being a woman. You know,
he's already gone down that line of saying, well, I
didn't even know she was black, which was like, yeah,
well I think we can. I mean, there'll be people
are listening. He'll be Trump fans who can't stand listening
to us right now. But that's just the way it is.
I'm not I'm not a Trump fan at all. I
think he's an odious creton. But it looks like newsanders
(11:16):
aren't no anyway. But look, it's but in terms of
the showers, I tell you what politics and it is.
I mean, to be honest, if I was in town,
I'll be honest with you. If I was in America
and there was a Trump rally, a Trump rally in town,
I'd go to that, And if I was the Democrat Rallier,
I'd go to that too, because it's just a couple
of amazing postcards of America. I mean, who wouldn't I
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remember going to see a Robert Muldoon when I was
a kid in New Plymouth, sneaking in but you may laugh,
but it was electric, you know. The guy could really
get a crowd going, you know, and in many ways.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
He was kind of our track. That doesn't get my
opponent's much time done.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's it's just such an interesting little little jump and
topic from you know, we're going to an American or
a Republican or a d all that. I went to
Rob Muldoon once.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Peter, I certainly remember Muldoon. David Longey came to school.
I think for our something that it was the local
MP back in the day.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't know, the local just doesn't compete well.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
LONGI was an extraordinary space and so so was Muldoon.
They were They were natural politicians in many way.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Excellent. Oh well, the show, it's showburs and it's going
to be rolling for how many more days?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Is it still November? The first Tuesday of November, the.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Debates will be the next thing I'll be looking for. Well, anyway,
let's move on ACC this ye ACC has released stats
showing the burden of alcohol and the health system. So
nine point one. I think that there's data. It's sort
of In twenty eighteen, there were nine hundred deaths caused
by alcohol, twenty nine thousand hospitalizations, nine point one billion
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dollar in harm cost. But here's the stat that absolutely
blew me away. Half of that due to fetal alcohol
spectrum disorder. Oh my lord, I mean, this is the
problem with alcohol moderation and extremes of the extremes are devastating.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I think you find if you looked deeply into our
the people that are in our prisons as well, a
large number of those would be people who were suffering
from fetal alcohol.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's just that that's a devastating standard.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, we know this. We
know that alcohol causes immeasurable harm in our society, domestic violence,
car accidents. You know, it's it's if it was brought
out today, they often say it wouldn't be made legal,
and you know eighty percent are drinking responsibly. But this
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report makes alcohol look like the new tobacco.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, But the thing is there's eighty percent of people
apparently drink responsibly and moderate drinking. Fine, that's the thing.
That's that's the extremes, Isn't it so damaging? So even
glass of pinot in the evening or charros or whatever, you.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
It's the really hard thing is that when we start
to talk about it, you know, chances are I'm going
to have a glass of wine tonight with dinner. You
may well you are not.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now starts with a bottle.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than
the front or the bottom.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Of Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
The challenge with the topic is that as soon as
we get starting to talk about it, and then we
look at our own behavior, and then we start to
think about to some degree our own and then it
becomes a sort of binary thing. It's either good or
it's bad, and the temptation then is to go right,
that's it. We're going to start banning it and make
it more difficult to access, et cetera, et cetera. Eight moderation.
(14:58):
That's a lot of harm caused by very few people.
Just staggering.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Really, I think we are too tolerant of alcohol, but
we're too tolerant of bad behavior with alcohol. To me,
it feels like one of those things. If you can
be a responsible person, you're not going to be a dickhead.
When you've had a few drinks, then fine, But as
soon as you do. I remember back in my law days,
it used to be a mitigating factor in crime, and
(15:22):
I'm not sure if it still is. It's like the
judgment you took a swing at something, but you're on
in my client and had a drink or two. I
think it should be the other way around. If you
take a swing at someone because you've had a drink
or two, you should be it should be an aggravating factor.
And I think that's the problem, is that we tolerate
dickhead behavior when people have had too much alcohol. It
should be the opposite. It should be the uncoolest, most
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aggravating thing you can do, and we should show it.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's cultural.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Do you think it's you know, in terms of like
us as young men, the attitude that we see, Yeah, exactly,
you know. I mean, you know, got a look in
the mirror. It's not a great picture. I know that,
But I look at at the young people that I
associate through my son and so on. I think the
attitude is changed. Like see there's some grounds it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Or they binge drinking with the ones who that's the binge.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Much less so I mean, I've been out with police
on a Friday night, just running around with the cameras
seeing what their Friday night's like, and it's an absolute zoo.
It's just crazy, and so much police time is wasted
with drunken.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Actually, here's that idea of mine and eds A if
I as a politician and I brought an out of
bell saying, if you are convicted of a crime, whatever penalty,
you will have thirty three percent attitude. If it's if
alcohol is at all a factor, would you support that?
Because I reckon it's like, tell you what, here's an example.
People who've got a problem with alcohol, they go to Singapore.
(16:46):
Do you think they get in trouble when they're in Singapore? No?
Because one booze is very expensive, but two because you
know that you are in deep doo dooos because society
doesn't tolerate.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I don't know if punitive measures actually work that well.
I mean I think that like drugs. This is probably
more of a health issue, like if you were if
you if you were getting in trouble. And I've been
to the Dragon alcohol courts and they do incredible work
and they make a real difference, and that's a different
approach to it. I mean, I think one other thing
is that like even though even in small amounts, alcohol
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is a carcinogen. You know, there are a bunch of
cancers that were being caused by that that we probably
don't even know about it at the moment, but you know,
breast cancer is one and our high rate of breast
cancer in this country. Is that related to how much
alcohol we drink? Who knows, but you know, sometimes it's
better just to acrew the lid back.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Actually, it just reminds Moodels. That reminds me Pete of
our Olympic coverage that every time a reporter was on
there saying I'm going to go have a cheeky apparol
spritsas and it sort of the drink you could mention
without it seeming too naughty.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And then in the morning across on. I think it
is good that will can counsel thing to reduce trading hours.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, our Beanngo.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
It seems fairly sensible, you know. I mean, if you
have to go and stock up again at nine o'clock
at night, probably bigger issues.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
To be honest.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I went to we ran out of apparol. We picked
that habit up when we were in Paris as well,
and I thought, oh, it's too late. It's eight o'clock.
We run out. Wonderful I can. And I thought it'd
be too late because eight o'clock seemed like to be
going out. And of course we went down the road
and it's like there's a there's a bottle store now
our next to the wards and still open, and like,
I mean they closed before nine.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
They drink differently over there though, don't they know as fast?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Just sippers?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
We're gold colors, scalars.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Are you talking about are you talking in St Hele
is there we're sippers or are you talking about in France?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
In France?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I went out last night. I caught up with some
of my old mates, my old Sunday mates at the
at the pub, and I could not believe how expensive
it was, Oh my god, to buy around. I bought.
I bought two drinks, yeah, a pint.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's not around. Oh okay, that's around. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
How much do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sixty dollars?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No? Just under thirty thirty one dollar us?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
What you got four drinks and it was just under
two drinks too? Sorry, I heard I heard some. I
heard you described.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Hear what you want to hear them? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, hey, I'm lo in the bag, mate, Pete. Last
weord before we go to the break. Don't drink no, like,
don't buy around.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
When I think about you know, me and my mates
at at you know, in our late teens, early twenties,
and I look around at some of the young people
that I know now, I'm cautiously optimistic that maybe they've
got their act together in a way that we didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Ee, let's fingers cross. Good on you, Pete wolfsh optimist,
Good on you. Okay, we're going to take a quick break.
Be back in just a moment. It's twenty six and
a half past three. This is the panel on the
Weekend Collective and those familiar voices you hear, Mark Krayzel
and Pete wolf Camp will be back in just a
moment news talks. He'd be and welcome back to the
Weekend Collective. This is the panel on Tim Beverage and
(20:00):
my guests are Mark Krysl and Pete wolf Camp. Hey, guys,
the America's Cup started this week, and well, I mean
in the America's Captain the Prix sort of louisvuitan regatta
sort of thing. And I did go on to YouTube
because I'm quite an America's Cup fan and started watching them.
I was like, oh, I'm back on Yeah, so I'm
quite into it. Pete, what about you, Pete?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I did actually spend a little bit time this morning
watching some replays or something from the Overnight one.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, well once it gets i.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Mean two days. Yeah, But of course Team New Zealand
toll be disappointed because two of their I mean, Prita
sort of did. They lost all their systems for about
twenty seconds, so that was gone, and the French pulled out.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
They just had to start and then they went as
soon as they got across the line as a congratulation.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Forty something knots out of a twelve knot breeze.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
No, noats, look insane. They looked like there was some
sci fi terminator to tonight movie. But is it sailing?
Oh my god? So they dropped out because the electric
the electrics failed. I mean, really, I'm not seeing people
running around putting spinnakers or anything. I'm not. I barely
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see anything. We're a bit faster than that, a little
head popping up above it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's high techt sailing, I guess. And it's like saying
when you're I mean, you'd be like the guy who
flies a tiger moth, who looks at someone who's in
the lea jet going but is it flying?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well? Yeah, okay, I mean I feel I can't quite
buy into it. Since they went to Barcelona.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Does that still ir it irks me?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, and you know, I mean I love Barcelona. It's
beautiful city and all that kind of thing. Also, the
time zones not not great for watching it. You can
watch the replay and the coverage is great. Yeah, but
it's not quite the same lists here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, but I mean, do we want to look at
I'm not so, I'm not so much like that. I
think we've we The problem is we had the one
that we hosted here was Sport by COVID, and then
the money just isn't there. I mean, you remember the
mb you got in trouble for basically not been quite
upfront with the way things were going on either. And
I sort of think, you know, you either where either
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respect that their professionals sailors and they need the best
of equipment and the best of funding or not. I
just think it was I don't know, the days of
the Red Sox. I think, come on, we've got to
get over it. And I just hope. I just hope
they can.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But I don't expect to get as much support as you
want to.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Well that they don't need to. They've got mine. I mean, Pete,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I think I would prefer that it was here, right
And if you're going to say that your team New Zealand,
then you compete here.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
But there's no money, what do you do with let's
compete here and lose it? You change the rules.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You change the rules so you don't have to you know,
you can only spend a certain amount. You know, if
you're the holder, you can do whatever you want, you know. Yeah,
I don't know. I just sort of think it's all
about it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It's all about it changes.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
The rules, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Because there is no cap is there?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't Evan and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Actually, I don't know if there's a cat. Yeah, I
don't really know. Anyway, Look, I think it's fun. You're
such a pooh pooy there. That's what my daughters would say.
You're so poo pooey, Mark, you just conjured up in anyway. Look,
it's by the way, if you're listening, you can check
it out on YouTube. But it's early days. But if
you do like the sale, my favorite one was when
we won it back back over in the Bahamas. I think,
(23:28):
wasn't it that that's about a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Was it the part I remember the San Francisco one?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Oh yeah, that's right. No, we don't remember that one
because we like to forget bad memories. Hey just understand, Well,
I think that's that's a reason me light topic for
something even lighter. Ben Boyce, who's one of the hosts
of the hits here it ends at me. He's he's
pranked his daughters on TikTok And normally I wouldn't be
(23:55):
into this, but I watched the video and he basically
goes into a drive through I think it's McDonald's, and
he uses all the language of the young and they're
basically dying a death in that. Anyway, we're going to
play a little clip of it. But he's got three
point four million views on TikTok, and I have to
say I almost don't understand a single word he's saying. Here,
but here it is hi, hi fan. I'm kind of
(24:20):
feeling skivity, so I've got off my gat so to
come up to riz up my chicken please, I r L.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Thank that sounds sigma.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's just one check.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm thirsty, so maybe have Do you have a minium lemonade?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And it sounds bussing?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you have the Sunday?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
If you have the sundow will hat the gritty no cap?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
All my daughters are don't be so yeah, let's.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Got chocolate, weird flex small great, thanks, that's all good. Yeah, anyway,
it's it is worth watching Chris. There's a just absolutely
cringing in the background.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Mortified.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I used I used one hip word in front of
my daughters the other day and they're like, oh Dad,
you're so cringey, which is why I looked at this
and thought, Ben, You're my hero. I think I'm gonna
I'm gonna try this myself. Do you understand any of
that people.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Actually, I wonder whether he may well have sort of
shone a light on a dark secret of parenthood, which
is that our job is to embarrass the hell out
of children in the opportunity particular need to embrace that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Is that that he is He's nailed it. Yeah, that's
a gold medal.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, vibe, chick, hit the gritty. No cap means no joke,
I'm being serious. Cap means you're lying or joking. Where
does the stuff come? Busting means very good. I can
understand that one rez having a game that sort of
makes that makes a little bit of sense, very good.
The one that I the one that annoys me is sick.
Oh that's so sick. It's like, but that's but that
means good. But that's least he didn't use that one.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's not at least twenty years old sick, is it? Okay,
that's not that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I just catching up.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Really, my daughter uses sligh a lot. Oh yes, and
legit legit is one at least.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
That's halfway in English word.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, yeah, legit, Well legit is actually that is English,
it's system abbreviation. It's not actually that hip. So yeah,
we're not that cool with that one. We can probably
do better. I need to go check my teenage that
saw us.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
You know, when you look at you, when you look
at popular culture, dads are complete defaces. There are very
few hero heroic dads right in popular culture. Homer Simpson. Yeah,
Pepper pigs, dad daddy people, they're always like and so
kids are going out with these appalling role models. We
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have got a chance, No wonder, we're struggling.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, do you do? Do you like you work in
the media? How does how do? But did you ever
embarrass your your daughter with dad stories?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Every every joke of dad joke? Absolutely, they're very sophisticated.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
My joke dropping Joseph off outside, I drive in, right,
don't drive? Why are you driving in? Because I've got
my car pike up here? What do you mean you've
got a car park here? Oh it's my cow pick.
Oh you don't, Yes, you don't.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And then you what you're supposed to say is I'm
going to announce.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Your arrivals for a bit ye.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Anyway, at anyway, if you haven't seen it, he's got
three point four million views, I would say he's got
a bit of a payday coming to him. Problem because
there are a couple of other ones he's pinned have
also got about three million views. So Ben's killing it
on the tiktoks zero people.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
He's a man of our times.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Exactly good and we'll be back in just a moment.
It's twenty two minutes to four news Talks the'd B
and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage,
my guests Mark Kreisel and Pete Wolfcamp. Aren't it well?
I don't know how much merriment we can have, so
let's have something serious. The Local Government New Zealand conference
took place this week. Luxon ruffled a few feathers, basically
(27:56):
telling basically telling councils to rain and the WISTE. I guess.
He said the government wants a constructive relationship with councils,
but that localism devolution comes with both rights and also responsibilities.
So here ruffled a few feathers. I think around New
Zealand generally people think oh, because councils are banging their
apes up and there doesn't seem to be the same
(28:17):
headlines around restraint. Pete Wolfcamp, what's your take?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Well, reading the paper this morning, reading the Herald this morning.
There's a story about a subdivision in west Auckland where
I think it's four hundred and seventy houses. We're consented right,
there's about four hundred of them built and occupied. At
the moment. All of the waste goes down the pipes
into a chamber where it then gets collected by trucks
(28:42):
and trucked away because nobody's put in the waste water.
Oh my god, so really so it kind of feels
like stick to your netting, council. Oh I say that,
I immediately want to leap in and go, you know,
for all of the criticism that councils sometimes get. I
was walking through Takapuna the other day where they've done
(29:04):
sort of a redevelopment of some of the walkways and
so on, and it's beautiful, and they had a light
festival there the other day and it was packed with
people enjoying themselves. And it's that like, well crafted, well
built public amenity is in fact really really good. But
then if the pipes are broken, you know, it's a
(29:27):
very difficult choice for counsels to make because nobody sees
the non sexy stuff, you know, the good infrastructure that
works reliably. No one's going to pat you on the
back for them.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Maybe when they do some new pipes, they should have
a big party to celebrate and say, look we've got
some new pipes. You can't see them right now, but
underneath here.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Instructure, the central interceptor story is a fantastic story.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What's that.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
You just flush toilet and think that it's all magic.
The fairies come and take your poos away. There's a
lot of fantastic progy, you know, and we should celebrate
that sort of infrastructure stuff. It's it's not sexy, it
doesn't get the headlines, but it's so absolutely critical.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What Mark, what do you what do you think of?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Because I think the Prime Minister was punching down. I
mean I think it's it's it's politicians get blamed for everything,
particularly government governments get blamed, clear Trevet said this morning.
But there is only one politic type of politicians that's
even more unpopular than the ones in the beehive, and
that's local body one now, and that's because we never vote.
(30:40):
This wowful amounts of people come out well and vote
for for counsels and then everybody else wines well, actually
get off your bums and vote and get in vote
or something and stop winging. And I'm actually getting really
sick of politicians of whatever h just blaming. Oh you're
(31:00):
not doing this, blame, blame, blame. What about some positive
solutions here? What are you said? Why did you just
help them? If it's not working, then step up and
help them. I think it's all about punishment. I'm sick
of it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Hell have a willing audience, I think, because it does
seem to be While the government's rhetoric is all around
trying to save money here and there, people's rate spells
have gone up quite substantially, and so you do want
to sort of think, well, okay, I want to see
the evidence that you're I want to just want to
show me the evidence that you're doing good job. And
the problem is, you get some good cans counsels, and
you get ones with a fairly broad mixture of competencies,
(31:34):
and it's, to be honest, it feels like a lottery.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I think a lot of it comes down to this
appalling infrastructure deficit we have in this country. With the
catch up we're playing rather than just constantly maintaining them,
were modernizing. But it's all of a sudden, we wake
up one day and think, oh my god, we need infrastructure,
and we start again and we've got to raise the money,
and then people don't want people to spend. We should
(31:57):
be spending at Auckland on a second halb, a crossing.
We should be starting it now, because every day we
delay and make the decision later it's going to be
another few billion, trillion, gazillion dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I think the way there's a Welling audience for this
is that to me, if I was to sum up
what I think of local government, I'd think Wellington's debating
whether to stick all these speed humps around whatever it
is Thornton Key or something, and actually forget about what's
above ground, start doing the stuff underground and you know,
stuff I just want to see. I think most people
just want to know that the basics are done well,
(32:30):
and you know, the other stuff maybe take a back
seat on the virtue signaling.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Well, that was the normal, enormous irony of the conference
in Welling. To step over a flash conference center and
then outside at two o'clock in the morning, a massive
will remain that's probably one hundred years old, bursts and floods.
You know, a couple of side streets you just go, come.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
On, that's just language. It's a water spout, it's a
tourist feature.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But I also think I agree. I mean, you've got
to do the basics. I agree, But you also want
to create a city that you want to live in,
that has festivals and parks and things for the kids
to do. And that's just as important. You know that
that you you grow some some love for the place
where you lived, some care, and that way you'll get involved.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
And yeah, for all of the disruption of Key Street,
if you go for a wander down here past Commercial
Bay and hop onto the ferry and go across and
look at the quality of that area now versus when
it was kind of like a small motorway and all
the rest of it is much better. It's probably been
wateringly expensive. It took seemingly forever to do, didn't get
(33:36):
it ready in time for the America's Cup. I remember
walking through there on a Sunday, going, how come there's
no one working? You know, why don't people want to
work on these projects on a Sunday?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I don't know. I just assume they did. On the
radio that's why this weak and collective. Yeah, number one nationwide.
By the way, did I say that it just slipped out?
I was thank you, thank you, thank you. It's thanks
to my quality guests like yourselves. Well, anyway, I resemble
that remark. I'm just going to go. We're just going
to take a couple of minutes so I can sit back,
have a couple of tea. The rest of my laurels.
At twelve minutes to four, Oh my goodness. Mark Kreisel
(34:12):
is absolutely grieven to the song from his I don't
know when that would have been love Shack, but there
it goes back a while. This panel, by the way,
Mark krysl just last week, doesn't And Pete Wolfcamp, this
is the panel on news talks'd be the weekend Collective.
Now another sort of slightly heavy topic. But the government
has stepped in after it was revealed that police have
intentionally not been enforcing a law banning smoking and vapor
(34:34):
and cars carrying children. I know that. I think probably
the police have a lot on their plates, but not
a single fine has been issued since the law came
into force in twenty twenty one. Pete Wolfcamp, what say you?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I guess it's more that they've got other jobs to do,
which they probably prioritize. And this is a sort of
public health issue. It's not a is it a criminal offense?
Obvious police want to be that group that's just right the.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Ticket and give it to them, see you later. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I kind of think they can barely get round to
burglaries or all, you know, all the retail crime and
all this kind of stuff. And if you if you're
diverting that that that small resource to picking up people
having a vape in their car while the kids are
in there.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I don't think you'd go out looking for them. But
if you pull someone right down the window and out
belows the smoke, then it's just like here, it's smoking
in a car. There you go, knock your hand.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Onto the list of seat belt, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
You know what's worse is the mobile phone use of
people while striving in this country. Does my do you
ever use yours while you're driving? No?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Excellent?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No? At the Lions? Does that count?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes? It does count? Actually, people, I was asking for
a friend all the time in the car, I mean,
or googling. What is the meaning just it's it's a
useful time to make a catch up on phone calls.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Of course I do.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I used the phone on my hands free but but
but I wouldn't use I wouldn't but like be texting
or anything like that. I mean, but I'm seeing people
doing that all the time and no one's picking them up.
I find that that, to me is far more.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Back to this vaping thing, though, And it seems that
the police are like, well, if they're vaping in the car,
there'll be other problems and stuff and why. But it's
almost like what, I don't know what their excuse really
is in terms of if this is a law, you
enforce it, don't you as opposed to oh, well you
know there are there be other issues that play innutrition
as well. Yeah yeah, But I mean it's not like
do I charge you with something really serious or how
(36:41):
do I charge you for this fight you got? Until
we do we charge you with serious assault. It's just
it's it's like, if I'm going sixty five and I
get pulled over our cop, I'm getting a ticket. You're
smoking in the car while you've got kids. Maybe the
long term effects of that that's really serious.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Too, but not a single citation note, not a single one.
So let's say you do pull a car over and
they've been speeding and wind the window down. There's some
young children in the back, hopefully restrained, and mum or
dad's been vaping. Would you add that to the ticket?
You probably should.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, so, in fact, you know what it tells you.
It tells you that the police edict from management is
like the government passed this law, but you know what,
we're not enforcing it. Don't waste your time with it.
That to me, there can be no other excuse other
than management have decided to ignore the law, and anyone
going to push back on that, it'd be a pretty
hard thing.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
If you know, you see those the cop shows where
they're gathering around and the sergeants up there, and this
is what we're focusing on today. Team, let's go out
and find people that have been vaping.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
That cas no, but maybe a reminder of so much
more to do to.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I mean, I'm good try to. I'll give you that
good try.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
But it clearly is a management thing, isn't it. They've
been told not to.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Well, yeah, I guess it's three years, three years of
not a fine, they can't even get the real big ones.
Well they've changed their approach now, but we'll see what
that means. Hey, just quickly, Leon McDonald's quit, well he's quit,
will have been quit or nudged or however it's gone.
There probably be a payout there somewhere, I must say.
I just you know, if it was Scott Robertson quitting,
I'd be more excited. But I just want them to
(38:16):
win in Southampia. Yeah, if this is the foster though,
we were been throwing our hands and then toys out
the colt completely. I mean I think the handle it
really well, it was quite clean. I'm going we didn't
get on. Yep, that's the grown up thing to do.
That happens sometimes in life, you know, and you move on.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah you've tried, and you move flush the dunny and
you move on. Just depends on how big the payout
is more the dunny, Yes, indeed, and hopefully we beat
them in South Africa. That would be the game. I'll
get up now, ye talk, Yeah we go. Hey, thanks
so much for your time, guys. We've got about thirty
seconds to say goodbye. Mark. What are he up to
you keeping? You've got a few plans in the world.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I have some mines in the fire. Let's just say
look out New Zealand. Good No, no no. When I
left Sunday, I thought I wanted to I still want
to tell stories, but I want to take it to
another level. And even if I fall flat on my face,
at least I had a crack.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
And people's resonant builder. Of course, I'll come when you
do something. Yeah, six o'clock, get into it. Good on you.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I'll give you a call.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Do that, Okay, I'll set it to silent. Catch you soon.
We'll be bad for the parents. Wide is next. Thanks
to wonder Ifray of your show.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Sorry for more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to
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