February 14, 2025 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Luke Dallow and Irene Gardiner to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
Bill introduced seeking a referendum for fluoride, calls for superannuation to be means tested, class action launched against Johnson & Johnson, man fined for parking on berm, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, in a very good afternoon to you. Hello, lovely
to have your company. I'm Tim Beverage. This is the
Weekend Collective for Saturday, the fifteenth of February. I did
it again February. There's those two hours and always include
the first hour as well. Anyway, I hope you had
a good Valentine's Day yesterday. By the way, you can
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Coming up on today's show in just a moment, I introducing,
as always, my esteemed panelists. After four o'clock. Looking a
little bit further ahead to the one roof radio show,
we have Helen Sullivan joining us. She's the CEO of
real estate at Velocity Global. I mean to talk about
the types of sale in a market that's a bit
flat because you law you know, we've had auctioneers on
the show saying, look, you've just got to pay the
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most money for it. But in a flatter market, is
is there a way you can drive a bargain with
your auction or your buying and selling tactics. This will
be on the one rufradio show. One of my guests
is actually thinking, gosh, I should be on that hour.
Get me back for that. There's a slight clue as
to who it might be. Anyway, and after five four
the Parents Squad Dave Atkinson, he is the CEO of
the Parenting Place, talking about the ways to build your
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child's resilience and when it comes to rules for parents,
is explaining the rules to your kids? Is explaining losing?
Because it is one of those wonderful memes people who
explaining is losing. I never really knew what that meant.
But anyway, and just before sex will talk with Elliott
Smith to preview the Blues and the Chiefs. Welcome to
the Weekend Collective. It's eight minutes past three, and time
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that is the time always means it's time to produce
my steam panelists in no particular order, because sometimes I've
done an age before beauty thing, but that line's getting
a bit tired and so I don't know what I'll
just keep moving. He is, well, he was actually champing
at the bit there when I said what we'd be
talking about for property, because that's sort of his gig.
He's a real estate agent for Barfoot and Thompson. But
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he's also an entrepreneur, former restaurateur, and his name is
Luke Dala. Look here you go.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm great Tim as my son's twenty third birthday today,
so I wish him a big birthday.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Wish Max happy birthday. By the way, just quickly before
we introduce my next guest, did you do do you
do Valentine's Day?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm normally against it, but when you get up in
the morning and your wife has left you a nice
little gift with a lovely card Valentine's Day, I sort
of thought. I said, look, yours is coming anyway, it's coming,
so I had to succumb anyway. And also joining me,
she is a media and screen guru Stalwarts perhaps, and
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also president of SPARTA, which is the she tell me
what it is again, Produces Guild, Screen Producers Guild, and
it is Irene Gardener. Hi, Ren, how are you hello there?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Nice to see you. We were discussing before whether it's
too late to stay happy New Year, and it is
really because it is mid.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
February, I think it is. But the point was that
I hadn't seen you yet.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's right, that's right, and it's yeah, nice to see
you anyway. Guys. Hey, by the way, just quickly, I mean,
just get to get a preview for the one roof.
You know, do you have are you sort of do
you have opinions on tactics and bidding for properties?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And still one hundred percent depending on the client and
if they really want to win it, I take over
the billing for them, really gives them confidence.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Aren't you working for the seller?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well I am, because I'm trying to get as much
as possible. This is a buyer, so you know, of
course I'm trying to get the most most money for
this for the vendor.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's going to be an interesting chat for But anyway,
guess what, you can't talk about it now that you've
had your chance, You've had your brief screenshot of your opinion.
So let's get into it. Anyway. The first top cab
off the rank is as I've just dropped my papers.
Oh yeah, gosh, this one. So the bill introducing introduced
by New Zealand first, which wants to have a referendum
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on fluoride, so they want to Winston Peters wants to
put important public health measures like this, they want to
He's playing the overreaching Wellington based bureaucrats card and says
that people who oppose the bill are those that oppose democracy,
and that these decisions around fluoride are a decision for
each community in the form of their councils. I'll hold
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my opinion fire on that just for a second, but
I'll start with you, Ireen.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
What do you reckon I'm not a great fan of referendums.
They're actually I think the word is referender. But hey,
let's not get all Grammary. The reason being that if
they're about a specialist topic like health, medical science, and
in fact even the Treaty of Waitangi, which you do
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need to have specialist historic knowledge and legal knowledge to do,
I don't really think it's right that everybody votes on
something where they just won't have the knowledge in the
same way as you know, I mean, it's a silly example,
but you know, you wouldn't expect people to vote on
how to do brain surgery.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, but actually the yeah, and I think there is
I think that Winston runs with the hairs enhuants with
the hounds a bit on whether it's going to be
the overall government having to say or your local community
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Luke Well, I'm all for the overall government looking after
Florida and that sort of public health sector. And the
reason is that just stops the red tape for all
the small sort of city boroughs and so forth, councils
and Floria.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's great for you to lenting tooths, okay exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And for our young young kids and our poor poverty kids,
they need a backbone. And that's it in Florid and water.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean, because there is the argument about I don't
believe there's an argument about the science, but there will
always be people who will want to have a crack
at the science. But you look at christ it doesn't
have fluoridation and it has the worst rates of child
tooth decay in the country.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I think the science is pretty pretty on the side
of the Florid.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think we're the argument where people get confused is
there's such a thing as too much of anything. And
there are places in the world, such as in America,
where the natural fluoride supply is so high, they reduce it.
They don't eliminate it though. But here's the thing where
I think Winston's been bit cute and well since he
came into government, I've become much more of a fan
because I probably had a fair amount of loathing for
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him in the way he politics. This is to me,
this is campaigning Winston, who I don't like very much.
But it is a strange argument to say let's throw
the power back to your local communities, when in fact
he is in central government and he would want the
laws that he would pass to govern everyone. It's like
saying let's throw it back to let's throw it back
to each town as to how much tax you want
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to pay and when you get your super.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Or if you're talking public health, you know, whether you're
allowed to speed or wear a seatbelt. I mean, there's
always things that some people don't like but that are
for our good that it is up to the central
government to mandate.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I must have meatize. I'm always a bit nervous about
these topics, only because you know, the fluoride thing is
a bit of a you know.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And look, if you really feel weird about it and
don't want it. Just don't use the town water, you know,
buy some water.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I grew up in when where we didn't have fluoride
in the water, and you have no teeth. No, my
mum gave me a fluoride tablet to every morning. It
was one of those most It's literally like eating a
tiny piece of chalk. It was a tiny little pill
and I never never thought a single thing about it
until years and years later, I was like, you know,
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I knew what I was taking along with my with
the fizzy, colorful malt. What was it? Plur of it vitamin?
I love the plur of it.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I've had our olkle water for quite a long time.
I've only got one filling, so it works. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, I mean look, and the other thing is as well,
you shouldn't just rely on fluoridation. In fact, one of the.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Things teeth you can do your teeth mess.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
No, actually, there was one interesting bit of information I
thought it's worth passing on. That I was when I
was reading about the christ Church kids and they're decay.
But one of the experts in to dental health said
that one of the biggest problems for us, not just adults,
but kids as well, is that we don't have regular
meals and leave it there. We are more grazing regularly,
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and we're constantly introducing bacteria to our teeth. Whereas it
used to be, Hey, kids, when you have when you
have your lunch at school, eat an apple to finish
with and rinse your mouth out. Whereas if you're constantly grazing,
and that apparently is a problem, and that was news
to me. Grazing is not good for your teeth.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I like that. I don't like to graze either. I
got my two meals a day and that's my lot too. Yeah,
what fasting? Are you fast fasting?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I've always I keep on always having a slip of
the tongue when I'm talking about intermittent fasting because I
forget the yes sometimes and I'm wondering if intimate fasting
leads to intimate farting. But anyway, so does that mean
that you're having you're having an early dinner and breakfast
or what? I don't need after seven? Yeah, and I
don't eat before twelve. Wow, Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I have lots of water in between. Yeah, that's my lot.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Excellent.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Has it really worked?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
How long you've been learning for about four months. Oh wow,
that's really actually you you do. I was thinking actually
when you walked in and I thought you were looking
pretty good there luk, So there you go. Anyway, let's
move on to the other one. Now, this old chestnut,
the potential for superannuation to me means tested, is one
part of the conversation, but basically Finance Minister Nichola willis
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Is mentioned on news talks EB yesterday that the scheme
for superannuation needs to be sustainable and a debate about
age eligibility will need be needed eventually as well. People
are saying raising the age makes sense. There are other
people who are talking about me testing. It just seems
to me to be one of those conversations. Irene that
it's not going away. I do talk back all the time,
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and the number of times we've talked about this would
be have to be two or three times a year.
It pops up eventually, aren't we going to be making
a change? Do you think?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, it's a really tricky one because I kind of
I can sort of see it from all angles and yeah,
I mean it has to be sustainable and it's getting
to the point where at some point, it may not
be I think would I would probably lean less towards
putting the age up and maybe more towards at least
an element of means testing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's an interesting one.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I mean, you know, to be fair, I'm relatively close
to this, and so I'm voting against myself potentially here.
But yeah, I sort of I think the danger of
raising the ages. See, for someone like myself, who's you know,
done desk type jobs, it would be no big deal
to keep working. But you know, for a builder or
a plumber who's wrecked their body, you can't really expect
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them to work past.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, that is the usually the argument that comes up,
and I think I think that that's a question about
what would be the hardest sell. And I would have thought,
just based on the talkback experience I've had with this,
that that argument about of course different occupations and all that.
I mean, that applies to people probably before the age
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of sixty five. But the one that I've had the
most pushback on is I don't care what they say
means testing. I've paid my Bliman taxes, I've contributed to society,
and if you've got a means test me again for
this and when there are other ways you're going to
have to pay for things like aged care facilities and
stuff like that, that's going to take your money anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What do you think, Luke, I'm all about raising the
age and definitely not means testing. And I think everyone's like,
do pay the taxes, so we should get to a
point where we're going to get something back. But my
point is if you care, if you are rich or
you know, or you can afford to give it back
or say no or opt out to it to say
look I don't need it, put it back into this,
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or gi it to a charity, or give it to
another organization that may need it. But means testing to
me is look, if paid my taxes, I've done with
sixty five years work.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah. I think we also forget the retirement age. It
has gone up over the course of history because we're
all living longer. You just look at and you look
at people. I think there was a time, maybe when
I was growing up, when somebody who was in their
sixties or seventy that was like, oh, they're getting old.
But I see people who it's like, I mean's line
I use all the time. But sixties the new fifty fifties,
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the new forty forties, the new thirty you know. And
I don't know if you saw the story last night
about Christ's College and they had an old boy there
who was one hundred and three, and it sounds like
a joke when I said he didn't look at day
over eighty. But he didn't look he looked amazing. Yeah,
so that's the thing. We are living longer. So isn't
it a natural consequence? We can't fight against that age
growing up? Irene, I'll throw that back at you.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, that is true, and so yeah, it's tricky. I mean,
just pick up on Luke's point about you know, maybe
you don't means test it, but you do it and
more of it. You know, if you don't need it,
do something, give it back or don't take it, or
do something with it. It's funny because you know, I
think about that and you know whether or not I'll
need it, and whether.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You'll need, whether you're need whether you need super on.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I would want to give it to people of my
choice rather than the governments, which is kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, no, no, I think that that's where you and
Luked are on the same page because I know people
who will never need super but if it's there, they're like, well, actually,
if that's my entitlement, i'll take it. But you know what,
I'll make a decision as to what I do with it.
If I want to give it to hospice, I'll give
it to hospice. Because there comes a point where you're
old enough, you've done your time as a taxpayer as
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a contributor, where I think you should be able to
say I'm going to give this money mighty, or to
my grandkids help them buy their first house, or it's
right in the first home and a depods on the
first home.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, anyway, so good good luck having that conversation. I say,
just quickly before we go to the break, I did
want to touch on that. So that's a pretty heavy topic.
But I find it a little bit depressing what's going on,
at least when it comes to resolving the war in
Ukraine that Trump has picked up the phone to putin
so far as Zelensky has been put out of the loop,
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and it looks like there's going to be this policy
of appeasement. Have you followed this much, Iran?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yes, it's sort of a bit of a sinking heart. Really,
I just really feel for Zelenski.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, it does feel like they basically, I mean, maybe
it is realistic that you can't exactly put the borders
back to where they were. But Vladimir Putin is an
evil bastard. Pardon my friend. He's not a very nice man.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He's just doesn't seem right, you know. And yet so
I suppose sometimes you have to be pragmatic.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But I don't know, but saving lives, I mean, you
can get on with it. At some point. It's going
to be a war for a long time. That's why
I see it, is that what's the better evil? You know?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, I guess you know that Europe will certainly be
feeling the pressure to be up in its defense spending stuff,
because they've said, they've they've been talk about that it
shouldn't be like a Minsk three. I think there were
after previous agreements where they simply paused at hostilities and
Putin just took it as an excuse to regroup and
then attack again a few years later. And that's what
I think we'd all be worried about, isn't that exactly?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
As long as Ukraine gets NATO, I'd be happy.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, that's not going to happen. It doesn't sounds like
it doesn't. It's not going to happen anyway. And I
avoided talking about ARIFK when we're talking about fluoride. So
we'll just leave that one and we'll come back in
just a moment. This is the panel on news Talk
z B. My guests are Luke Dello and Irene Gardner.
It's coming out to twenty two past three. Yes, welcome
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back to news Talk said B. Yes that that that.
I've requested a little bit of led Zeppelin this morning.
I don't know why, but I just I always discover
music very late, and I'm just getting into led Zeppelin
again because it was the sort of music soundtrack when
I was growing up. My brothers used to to pump
it out, and it's also familiar, but I haven't normally
had it as my normal playlist. But there's also my
producer's infants favorite favorite stuff led Zeppelin, so she's raising him.
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Well anyway, welcome back to the panel. I my name's
Tim beveradge At. Luke Dallo and Irene Gardner are my guests,
and let's move on to Well, we're sticking with a
political theme, but something that's slightly quirkier. No Mackers, no
McDonald's for Queenstown. So the commissioners have declined to grant
consent from McDonald's restaurant to open in won Aca. So
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it was going to be a four hundred and fifty
five square meter restaurant with a drive through at the
one Aca Luggett Highway below Mount Iron, and of the
residents were up in arms about it. They were concerned
about the visual and esthetic impact on the town, litter
and all that sort of thing. So McDonald's for the
time being is gon burger no pun intended, Actually no
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pun intended. Its just popped out like that, Luke, what
do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
What did you get over yourself? Absolutely get over yourself.
Just imagine the uproar of a carngo or a six
story building was built on that properly you want, I
could just go beside itself. But no, McDonald's is more
of a restaurant, you know. It provides job, supports community,
and it's good to the community. It's environmentally responsible as well.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's just the customers are not environmentally responsible because I mean,
we all have that image of the McDonald's wrapper blow
across the street, mind, just only because it's so clearly labeled.
You notice it.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
What's marketing, isn't it. It's marketing spent all that. But hey,
there's a McDonald's and whistler, get over yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
There's a McDonald's in Paris.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Correct, So but should there be Well.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Here's the thing I'll throw you. I think, Well, now,
let's get your opinion and see where it goes before
I shoot it down. But you I'm not sure what.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Iren is going to say, But I'm ah, I'm sort
of I think the problem is that the site they
picked is probably the wrong site for it.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
And you have to kind of go you know, that area.
It is a tourist area. It has a certain look
and character. So I can kind of understand why. Because
the site they picked is in a particularly impactful place,
I can understand it. So I've got a little bit
more sympathy than my friend Luke here. Yeah, however, I
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kind of think you could have a McDonald's there, but
just in a different place, a little bit better controlled.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Maybe, you know, well, I mean, you can also design buildings.
It's like the one in Paris. You hardly know it's there.
There's a tiny little Cyncers have rules in Paris about
with signage, so there's no big building. Yeah, there's no
massive sort of I mean, it's not just one mcnonald's
in Paris. I'm sure there's more, but I saw one
but almost didn't notice it. It's interesting they have Macaron's
in the Paris McDonald's as well. In fact, they've got
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quite a few Paris well. Of course that's where the
French fries come from, thank you very much. I look,
here's here's the here's the thing. I think that it's
too easy to go on McDonald's as if McDonald's is
the villain and people go, oh, well, big Max, you know,
they're not healthy and all that sort of stuff, when
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in fact McDonald's can easily say, as any restaurant can say,
you can have the burger, or in fact, you actually
can have a salad, you can have all sorts of
healthy options if you want. But no one does that
and that's the consumer's choice. But to me, you know,
so one, okay, here we go. What have they got?
Four vape stores? Good on them? And what the headlines
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were over the summer is that hundreds of teenagers like
to congregate and punch each other's lights out, to the
extent that three were not done conscious. I think, so
that's all right, But heaven forbid we have McDonald's because
we're not like those sluts in Queenstown who have every
commercial business. It's I'm with you, get over yourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's pathetic, absolutely, And I'll tell you one thing about McDonald's,
you know, I've been in hospitality for twenty odd years,
is that if I see a McDonald's employee in one
of the cvs, I grab them. They have the best
training and they really are a good company.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Actually was Chris Luxon who had a job at his
first job. His LinkedIn profile has all his jobs he's
ever had, including being a bell hop or what's the one,
a porter at the Crown Plas or something good at
that And I think it wasn't McDonald's initially. But you
know what I mean, is it too easy because any
bigger I know what you mean.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It's quite snobby because they do have other fast food outlets.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, if you've got a fish and chip shop, way
up the amount of saturated fact and a couple of
pieces of fish and some chips pizza. Pizza. There you go.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Now you maybe want pizze?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah? Oh, anyway, look, I know it's easy to beat
up and want it. Can I do get their point
of difference why they feel that that's how they identify
because they have always been the sort of more even
if it's shardenay drinking hippies, but they do have that
sort of more hippish sort of life. We're the real
mountain people. We've got a much more expansive view. Look
at that terrible commercial place Queenstown. Oh, we don't go
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to Queenstown. That's a terrible place. And there is this
attitudinal difference. I can understand where they're coming from, but
you know, you get over yourself. Thanks for finishing my
I realized that the word sluttie was quite a strong word,
wasn't it. But I'm not using it in the province
of commercial sort of and I apologize for that, by
the way, just in case that rattle people's rattle people's
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jewelry a little bit too much. Now, this one, this
is probably right up your up your sort of playing
field here, Irene. With the government proposing to level the
media playing field with five proposals, and it's basically helping
local media compete, I guess with what's coming in from
overseas and the international social media. So there's this Ministry
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of Culture and Heritage consultation document to modernize New Zealand's
media legislation regulations. And this is the bit that I
think I started to tune out straight away. Paul Goldsmith said,
there continues to be a hunger and thirst in an
appetite for local stories and local material and local news.
And when I look at it the news, I see
nothing but local stuff. In the world stuff is pushed
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to the back. But what do you make of this proposal?
If you could flesh it out for us, maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's a good document. Actually, my screen industry colleagues are
really happy with it. It shows a really good understanding
of the challenges that we've been facing and the proposals,
and they are any proposals at the stage are good
and sensible. I mean, most of the challenges that both
journalism and local production are facing at the moment are
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because of international big tech. In local productions case, it's
the streamers coming here paying no tax, contributing nothing, using
our broadband, taking our viewers, and it's really hurt. We
just can't earn the advertising revenue that we used to
which supported.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Do you think any of these? Is there one that
stands out will make a difference.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm just going to say there is one that is
about that, and it is about regulating the streamers so
that they contribute to local production. And we're in my
Sparta president hat. We have been lobbying about that for
probably about three years, so we were absolutely thrilled to
see it included. And now it's just a case of
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working it out so that it works, doesn't have unintended consequences,
and happens as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I see there's a proposal there too. It does look practical.
From ensuring smart TVs have New Zealand apps pre installed
and displayed prominently. I go through the apps sometimes the
app menu, look on my TV and go what other
apps are there? Now, there's a bunch of things I
don't recognize, and I don't think that's going to make
That's not going to make a particular amount of difference.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Is that No, it's not going to make any difference
at all. But I'm all for local news and local
productions of our culture. And so forth. More money should
go into our locals, our arts and both the vocal arts.
Like for you Tim a little bit of money.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm not sure that I took the right boxes for that.
We actually had it on that. Actually, the thing about
funding the arts and film it is an awkward one
because I don't think New Zealand is big enough for people,
regardless of what sort of arts form you're in, to
be able to take too much of your own risks.
So I'm a bit conflicted with public money going into
the arts because usually it ends up on the desk
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of CREWD of New Zealand and you've got someone doing,
you know, getting thousands of dollars to do a performance
where they're I don't know, singing whale songs to the
accompany bit of a ukulele. Oh no, I'm making that up.
But it sounds believable.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
That sounds quite nice, quite lovely. Could I just say
at this point that screen is completely different because we
actually are a four billion dollar industry for New Zealand,
and yes a lot of that is international is working here,
but you don't get that but without the domestic bit.
So I just don't want screen lumped in there no.
But to your arts comment, I think it's great that
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we fund the arts, but I think you have a
fair point in what you're saying about. You know, is
it a bit unfairly targeted so that someone like yourself historically.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I'm not worried about. Now I've moved on.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Here's a box of tissues categories, you know, And is
that right?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, that's why I support funding of the major bodies
like the ballet and the and thea in the Court
Theater and things like that in the opera and the
something else music New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
We wouldn't exist without our creative New Zealand and.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So that's why I think. But I think you do
it at that level and then the rest sorts itself
out because those organizations are still generally trying to reach
an audience, with the odd exception possibly from time to time. Anyway,
let's move on, shall we to to? In fact, let's
see what We'll move on to a break and come
back in just a moment and see which of you
two have fallen for the fraud, in my opinion, which
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is taking finerletprene to try and cure your cold, which
is apparently completely useless and Johnson and Johnson being sued,
and we'll see what you think about that. After the break.
It's twenty four minutes to four and welcome back to
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the Week in Collective. This is the panel. My guests,
Irene Gardner and Luke Dallo. Now, guys, this class action
has been launched against Johnson and Johnson's because when they
took pseudo effigerine off the counters, the pharmaceutical companies all
put this product called fennilephrine in cold and flu medicine.
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It had the same branding, whether it branding, whether it
be I don't know what the names were, quadrill or whatever,
but anyway, they were marketed as a nasal decongestant. And
I read this quite a while ago that they've actually ineffective,
and I'd heard that from the GP Donkeys years ago.
But they plugged the stuff and you're simply taking it
the best. You'd say it was a placebo because apparently
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the when you take the drugs orally, they just don't work.
So Bengo wasn't any surprise, but the fact that someone's
sewing them, I thought, good on you. You have you
your cold and flu meds and sort of taker Irene.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I occasionally, I'm quite a hardy soul, and I don't
actually get sick with colds churbably often famous.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Last words, it's next work, next time, what happened to
Irene and sick last time?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
But I didn't know this, and I was amazed when
I read the list of products and that people have
been because and I look, because I do. I do
get cough syrup, because I do. When I do get
a cold, I tend to get a very very bad cough.
And so I looked at the cough syrups, thinking, oh
my goodness, I'll have been being duped, because I was
thinking maybe my cofser it was benad Or, but no,
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my COFs A it was Robotuss. And I checked the
bathroom cupboard.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well that's that's all right, there'll probably be plenty of
GPS going out. She's wasting her time with the with
the cough stuff. I don't know, I don't I think
it's whatever for help though, when.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You're in the middle of the night you can't sleep
because you're going.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, but a honey and lemon as well, whiskey and honey.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Guy over the whiskin honey whiskin honey, nice and hot,
you know, get it going gets nice and soothing down there.
But throw the book at Johnson and Johnson are an
eighty billion dollar company, turnover. Throw the book at them
and had Can I actually get a refund on this
because I've actually bought. I'm in the Consumer's Guarantees Act,
you know, you can I actually get back because it
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didn't work?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I actually don't know. To be honest, life's too short
to worry about whether I bought that stuff. I think
we had one packet, and I might have said to
my wife that I shouldn't have mentioned the article said this,
by the way, this stuff's useless even don't even bother
with it. My biggest beak was that they took pseudo
evergery off the shelves, which is vaguely effective or whatever,
but because people were you know, ram rating and stealing
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it to make pea and all that sort of thing.
But it seems that we don't hear so many stories
about people because they're getting they're successful at importing it illegally,
aren't They.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Didn't act bring it back?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I think, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was all for
the old pseudo effort RNK. Anyway, look they do. Say,
there's the law firm JG. A. Sadler's urging millions of
New Zealanders who have purchased affected products to register their claim.
I mean, how do you do that? Would they say,
please provide your receipts or something.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Or I don't know of it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Anyway, look good on them for taking action, making it
a bit uncomfortable for the pharmaceutical companies on that score
for sure. Hey, by the way, just on something a
little bit more fun, did you guys follow the Dame
Edna the Barry Humphreys auction because Mike Mike Costing a
breakfast hoster, I shouldn't have to describe him as their
breakfast host because, you know, I think people he actually
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had a few instructions to put a few bids on.
I think quite a number of items things that maybe
have gone would have maybe have gone for one thousand
euro or five hundred or fifteen hundred. And I just
caught it in passing, but I think he was talking
about something that was supposed to be fifteen hundred euro
went for ten thousand, and da As glasses one particular
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pair auction for thirty seven thousand, eight hundred euros you've
really got one of the is that being brought because
someone loves them or they think it's going to be
worth more? What do you think, Luke?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I just think someone's brought them because someone loves them.
And what was my going to do with the glasses?
Was going to wear them? Put?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't think he was. I don't think he was
in for the glasses. I think there was a there
was a there was a cat. No, there was a cartoon.
Because I think I heard Kate worrying about you know,
it's all very nice, but she's quite glad he didn't
win because she would have had that picture staring at her.
I'm not sure it was you know, like a meter
by a meter or something, but what.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
A great auction. I mean I was following it throughout
the morning, and there was some stuff that, like I was,
reserves were just like fIF like you say, fifteen hundred
bucks and just went wimbar and always that money gone
to the estate or to a charity or to.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Actually I should know the answer for that, but it's
not immediately apparent right now, but I think anyways, the sale,
look how much the sale raised four four million, sorry,
six hundred and twenty seven thousand pounds. Should I say pounds,
I said europe pounds. Even more characters like Dame Edna.
(31:21):
I mean, it is an amazing character when you think
of he wasn't the only character of created. My favorite
was Sir Les Patterson because he was just so outrageous.
I remember he was a fictitious character. I read it
was the dribbling and the salivating and revolting. I just
remember the famous appearance on Parkinson where he has an
appendage which were as part of his costume, which was
(31:43):
ludely suggestive of someone being quite happy. And obviously you'd
hear the audience and absolute fits as Les Patterson would
have just whatever it was, and the camera would pan
write and so there was no chance of something that
they'd have to apologize for.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Marge was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh who was famously born New Zealand. Wasn't he the
New Zealand Bridesmaids or New Zealand bridesmaid?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
That's right? She was just a little whip doll, wouldn't she.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah? I think I saw an interview with her. How
many years? Yes? Was she a while with him?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
For brilliant? I'm guessing the glasses that went for the
huge amount, Probably the really iconic ones with the big
wing tips.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, so I can.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Kind of see why they would go for so much.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I wonder how many people initially thought that day Maiden
it was a real person, or did everyone know it
was a joke.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
No, I thought it was a real person.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You would have been five years old, correct, and probably
you're a fair mark.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I was a little bit older. And no, I never
thought Dave Medna was a woman.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
No, I'm not sure, you know what. I can't remember,
but I'm pretty sure I wasn't on the joke. But
an amazing creation anyway.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
It always does make me laugh when people can get
bent out of shape about the drag queens and you know,
writing and reading in the library, and you kind of think,
didn't you all grow up watching David Well.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Actually, I think actually British humor has always been ahead
of its time in terms of certain stereotypes which some
people may have been uncomfortable with, but England seem to
embrace them. You know that the the overly camp characters
who were just nobody had it. This is before people
were as open about acknowledging different sexualities. But British humour
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sort of built whole genres of humor based on camp,
comedy and Loo and are you being served? I still
remember mister Humphreys. Humphreys, I'm free anyway.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Little Britain. That was another one. I'm the only gay
in the town, in the village.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
In the village, I never watched Little Britain.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Actually watch it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go watch some some old
Barry Humphrey stuff. At some stage, I think, look, we're
going to say quick break, we'll come back. This is
the panel on news Talk said be Weekend Collective. My
guests are Luke Dalo and Iren Garner on tim Beverage.
Will be back in just a tick their teen minutes
to four. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My
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panelists to Luke Dallo and Irene Gardner. Now this isn't
a quirky little story, guys. So a guy who has
got a ticket under his windscreen wiper of his not
that it's relevant, his tired highluks and obviously he was
trying to keep a large ute out of people's way.
So he parked two wheels on the boom outside his house,
something he'd done for four years with no trouble and
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got a fine. He got a four forty dollar fine
for it. It does seem does seem a little peculiar,
even though I don't know is the reason. I would
have thought, if you're parking with a couple of wheels
on the boom, simply you're doing your bit to try
and be less absor deructive to the traffic on the road.
I'll throw this to you iren first, because yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Think if it's the bit of burm that's by your
house and you're parked considerately, I would have no issue
with that. And I think it is a bit strange
that he got this fine. But then it's hard to
know with these things, because there is some talk that
they'd sort of tried to talk to him about it,
and I don't know, maybe he wasn't one hundred percent cooperative,
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so there might be like a cup besides.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
To this one.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
It's not like getting in the way of council mowing services,
aren't you, because we're going to mow our own burms,
which I still feel slightly strange about considering this some
beautiful berms, and there are others that have been turned
into vegetable.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I mean, you can sort of see why they have
the rule, because you wouldn't want just randomly everybody parking
on the boom, would you. But she feels like one
of those rules where this should be just a little
bit of latitude.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It is a funny one, isn't. Because you can all
imagine there are big times where you go, there's plenty
of room on the street, just park on the street.
And then you'd be someone who decides to park three
cars on the berm, and I'd imagine going, well, hang on,
it's not really a parking spot, you know what I mean.
We can all imagine unreasonable, Babe, you can't. We look,
but I'm you look like you're champing at the bit
for this one.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I just think, hey, look, I look after my boom.
That is my boom. Yeah, I'll park on it a lot,
as long as it's clear from pedestrians, as long as
it's safe. I'll pack my truck on the boom all
the time.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Oh that's right, somebody, If you park in someone's driveway
but you leave the footpath free, they can still ticket
you for that.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
They've been clamping down and there was a story about
this a week or two ago. I think wasn't it
heap to me?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Really?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So? I was packed in my own driveway and they
gave me a ticket wrong, and it's like going into
my house.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well, you weren't obstructing the footpath, No, I think.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
If you pass, if you pack yourself in and you
don't fit the footpath, that seems crazy to me. But
I know technically they can tick at you.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
But just looking for money, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Okay, Well, how insufferable did you scoot?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
No use the way Way Express also known as my legs?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Well done?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
You just down the hell, aren't you. Yeah, I would
be impressed if you'd come from re mirror or something.
Why not lovely? Well it was a little bit, hey,
just on the bureaucracy. I did love this story. It's
not like it's a contentious story or anything. But for
years there were officials in the Czech Republic had been
pushing a damn project to protect a river south of Prague.
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So they wanted to damn it so they could protect
some critically endangered species, and they kept it, kept on
getting dragged out. It was ham strung by land negotiations,
and then they left it so long that actually a
group of beavers made a damn for them and actually
built the dam themselves, and they weren't even in on
the process. And I just love the fact. One I
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love beavers, and it's it's just the idea of I mean,
they I wonder if we should introduce them here to
build a few dams. But it's a great story, isn't.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
It, Luke. I think it's perfect example of just getting
stuff getting stuff done. You know, the beavers know what
they're doing, take lessons from the Beaver's Auckland City and
the government, and they're just taking action on and adapt
into the environment. And do you just imagine, like you
said before their tim what if we introduced beavers here
and the.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Accidentally fell. But actually, one, I think beavers are amazing animals.
It blows me away that without you know, what they
can construct in their environment. And if you go inside
a beaver's damn, as I've watched on wildlife documentaries, that's
the scale of some of these things, and just that
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nature did it. But they are so cute. You are
you a found of beaver? Lovely?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
But I don't think we can certainly just import a
whole lot of beavers to New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
But maybe we should. We could import them where there's
too many pine trees sort of in the wrong place,
the wilding pines. Just release some beavers.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
What they get the fluorid from?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Oh goodness, do you think do you think we could
train up the possums to do something useful?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
We should just train possums to find someone who's hunting
and stand in front of them and go shoot me,
and that would be the best thing.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Put blocks for trucks.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Anyway, But it's a great story. In fact, it makes
me want to go and track down some wildlife documentaries
and just watch the process of beaver's building a dam
because it is quite phenomenal. Anyway. So anyway, Hey, by
the way, how's the property market going for you, Luke.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
No, it's great, it's going really good. Actually, it's really
lifted up this year, definitely from last more inquiry. Yeah,
we're onto it now. So the property market is definitely
coming back.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
So I guess for you, you just want to see
properties being exchanged. You're not so much worried about whether
it's going to grow or not, because I'm a little
bit pessimistic about it.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
But exactly all you want is turnover, and we're not
getting the higher prices or back of the twenty twenties,
But we just want turnover and confidence in the market
that they can put the house in the market and
sell it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
That's what we want and what's keeping you out our
mischief at the moment irene with the screen production and
all that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
We just talked about it, really because that's been our
big lobbying point, has been regulating the streamers. But can
I talk about something completely different?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yes, just quickly, we've got one minute before say goodbye.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I played Zepp song before, and I'm not a big
lead Zep fan, but I absolutely love that intro to
that song. But have you seen on YouTube the little
thing that someone's made of the dancing kittens with little
Viking helmets on dancing.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, I've missed that one.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
You must look it out on YouTube. It is the
funniest thing, the little Viking.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I just remembered that I was listening to something. I
can't mean what. It was a whole lot of love
or something, and there's an instrumental, but there was you
might remember the young ones and oh I haven't got time.
Oh my godness, I thought wait a minute to go,
but I have to save that for next time. I
wonder if radio sho Helena Sullivan is next. News talk
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Yes, in a very good afternoon to you. Hello, lovely
to have your company. I'm Tim Beverage. This is the
Weekend Collective for Saturday, the fifteenth of February. I did
it again February. There's those two hours and always include
the first hour as well. Anyway, I hope you had
a good Valentine's Day yesterday. By the way, you can
text your feedback anytime on nine two nine two or
email Tim b at Newstalk SITB dot co dot nz.
(01:03):
Coming up on today's show in just a moment, I introducing,
as always, my esteemed panelists. After four o'clock. Looking a
little bit further ahead to the one roof radio show,
we have Helen Sullivan joining us. She's the CEO of
real estate at Velocity Global. I mean to talk about
the types of sale in a market that's a bit
flat because you law you know, we've had auctioneers on
the show saying, look, you've just got to pay the
(01:23):
most money for it. But in a flatter market, is
is there a way you can drive a bargain with
your auction or your buying and selling tactics. This will
be on the one rufradio show. One of my guests
is actually thinking, gosh, I should be on that hour.
Get me back for that. There's a slight clue as
to who it might be. Anyway, and after five four
the Parents Squad Dave Atkinson, he is the CEO of
the Parenting Place, talking about the ways to build your
(01:46):
child's resilience and when it comes to rules for parents,
is explaining the rules to your kids? Is explaining losing?
Because it is one of those wonderful memes people who
explaining is losing. I never really knew what that meant.
But anyway, and just before sex will talk with Elliott
Smith to preview the Blues and the Chiefs. Welcome to
the Weekend Collective. It's eight minutes past three, and time
(02:08):
that is the time always means it's time to produce
my steam panelists in no particular order, because sometimes I've
done an age before beauty thing, but that line's getting
a bit tired and so I don't know what I'll
just keep moving. He is, well, he was actually champing
at the bit there when I said what we'd be
talking about for property, because that's sort of his gig.
He's a real estate agent for Barfoot and Thompson. But
(02:29):
he's also an entrepreneur, former restaurateur, and his name is
Luke Dala. Look here you go.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm great Tim as my son's twenty third birthday today,
so I wish him a big birthday.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Wish Max happy birthday. By the way, just quickly before
we introduce my next guest, did you do do you
do Valentine's Day?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm normally against it, but when you get up in
the morning and your wife has left you a nice
little gift with a lovely card Valentine's Day, I sort
of thought. I said, look, yours is coming anyway, it's coming,
so I had to succumb anyway. And also joining me,
she is a media and screen guru Stalwarts perhaps, and
(03:11):
also president of SPARTA, which is the she tell me
what it is again, Produces Guild, Screen Producers Guild, and
it is Irene Gardener. Hi, Ren, how are you hello there?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Nice to see you. We were discussing before whether it's
too late to stay happy New Year, and it is
really because it is mid.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
February, I think it is. But the point was that
I hadn't seen you yet.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's right, that's right, and it's yeah, nice to see
you anyway. Guys. Hey, by the way, just quickly, I mean,
just get to get a preview for the one roof.
You know, do you have are you sort of do
you have opinions on tactics and bidding for properties?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And still one hundred percent depending on the client and
if they really want to win it, I take over
the billing for them, really gives them confidence.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Aren't you working for the seller?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well I am, because I'm trying to get as much
as possible. This is a buyer, so you know, of
course I'm trying to get the most most money for
this for the vendor.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's going to be an interesting chat for But anyway,
guess what, you can't talk about it now that you've
had your chance, You've had your brief screenshot of your opinion.
So let's get into it. Anyway. The first top cab
off the rank is as I've just dropped my papers.
Oh yeah, gosh, this one. So the bill introducing introduced
by New Zealand first, which wants to have a referendum
(04:25):
on fluoride, so they want to Winston Peters wants to
put important public health measures like this, they want to
He's playing the overreaching Wellington based bureaucrats card and says
that people who oppose the bill are those that oppose democracy,
and that these decisions around fluoride are a decision for
each community in the form of their councils. I'll hold
(04:48):
my opinion fire on that just for a second, but
I'll start with you, Ireen.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
What do you reckon I'm not a great fan of referendums.
They're actually I think the word is referender. But hey,
let's not get all Grammary. The reason being that if
they're about a specialist topic like health, medical science, and
in fact even the Treaty of Waitangi, which you do
(05:12):
need to have specialist historic knowledge and legal knowledge to do,
I don't really think it's right that everybody votes on
something where they just won't have the knowledge in the
same way as you know, I mean, it's a silly example,
but you know, you wouldn't expect people to vote on
how to do brain surgery.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, but actually the yeah, and I think there is
I think that Winston runs with the hairs enhuants with
the hounds a bit on whether it's going to be
the overall government having to say or your local community
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Luke Well, I'm all for the overall government looking after
Florida and that sort of public health sector. And the
reason is that just stops the red tape for all
the small sort of city boroughs and so forth, councils
and Floria.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's great for you to lenting tooths, okay exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And for our young young kids and our poor poverty kids,
they need a backbone. And that's it in Florid and water.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I mean, because there is the argument about I don't
believe there's an argument about the science, but there will
always be people who will want to have a crack
at the science. But you look at christ it doesn't
have fluoridation and it has the worst rates of child
tooth decay in the country.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I think the science is pretty pretty on the side
of the Florid.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think we're the argument where people get confused is
there's such a thing as too much of anything. And
there are places in the world, such as in America,
where the natural fluoride supply is so high, they reduce it.
They don't eliminate it though. But here's the thing where
I think Winston's been bit cute and well since he
came into government, I've become much more of a fan
because I probably had a fair amount of loathing for
(06:43):
him in the way he politics. This is to me,
this is campaigning Winston, who I don't like very much.
But it is a strange argument to say let's throw
the power back to your local communities, when in fact
he is in central government and he would want the
laws that he would pass to govern everyone. It's like
saying let's throw it back to let's throw it back
to each town as to how much tax you want
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to pay and when you get your super.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Or if you're talking public health, you know, whether you're
allowed to speed or wear a seatbelt. I mean, there's
always things that some people don't like but that are
for our good that it is up to the central
government to mandate.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I must have meatize. I'm always a bit nervous about
these topics, only because you know, the fluoride thing is
a bit of a you know.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And look, if you really feel weird about it and
don't want it. Just don't use the town water, you know,
buy some water.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I grew up in when where we didn't have fluoride
in the water, and you have no teeth. No, my
mum gave me a fluoride tablet to every morning. It
was one of those most It's literally like eating a
tiny piece of chalk. It was a tiny little pill
and I never never thought a single thing about it
until years and years later, I was like, you know,
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I knew what I was taking along with my with
the fizzy, colorful malt. What was it? Plur of it vitamin?
I love the plur of it.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I've had our olkle water for quite a long time.
I've only got one filling, so it works. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well, I mean look, and the other thing is as well,
you shouldn't just rely on fluoridation. In fact, one of the.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Things teeth you can do your teeth mess.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
No, actually, there was one interesting bit of information I
thought it's worth passing on. That I was when I
was reading about the christ Church kids and they're decay.
But one of the experts in to dental health said
that one of the biggest problems for us, not just adults,
but kids as well, is that we don't have regular
meals and leave it there. We are more grazing regularly,
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and we're constantly introducing bacteria to our teeth. Whereas it
used to be, Hey, kids, when you have when you
have your lunch at school, eat an apple to finish
with and rinse your mouth out. Whereas if you're constantly grazing,
and that apparently is a problem, and that was news
to me. Grazing is not good for your teeth.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I like that. I don't like to graze either. I
got my two meals a day and that's my lot too. Yeah,
what fasting? Are you fast fasting?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I've always I keep on always having a slip of
the tongue when I'm talking about intermittent fasting because I
forget the yes sometimes and I'm wondering if intimate fasting
leads to intimate farting. But anyway, so does that mean
that you're having you're having an early dinner and breakfast
or what? I don't need after seven? Yeah, and I
don't eat before twelve. Wow, Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I have lots of water in between. Yeah, that's my lot.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Excellent.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Has it really worked?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
How long you've been learning for about four months. Oh wow,
that's really actually you you do. I was thinking actually
when you walked in and I thought you were looking
pretty good there luk, So there you go. Anyway, let's
move on to the other one. Now, this old chestnut,
the potential for superannuation to me means tested, is one
part of the conversation, but basically Finance Minister Nichola willis
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Is mentioned on news talks EB yesterday that the scheme
for superannuation needs to be sustainable and a debate about
age eligibility will need be needed eventually as well. People
are saying raising the age makes sense. There are other
people who are talking about me testing. It just seems
to me to be one of those conversations. Irene that
it's not going away. I do talk back all the time,
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and the number of times we've talked about this would
be have to be two or three times a year.
It pops up eventually, aren't we going to be making
a change? Do you think?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, it's a really tricky one because I kind of
I can sort of see it from all angles and yeah,
I mean it has to be sustainable and it's getting
to the point where at some point, it may not
be I think would I would probably lean less towards
putting the age up and maybe more towards at least
an element of means testing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's an interesting one.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I mean, you know, to be fair, I'm relatively close
to this, and so I'm voting against myself potentially here.
But yeah, I sort of I think the danger of
raising the ages. See, for someone like myself, who's you know,
done desk type jobs, it would be no big deal
to keep working. But you know, for a builder or
a plumber who's wrecked their body, you can't really expect
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them to work past.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, that is the usually the argument that comes up,
and I think I think that that's a question about
what would be the hardest sell. And I would have thought,
just based on the talkback experience I've had with this,
that that argument about of course different occupations and all that.
I mean, that applies to people probably before the age
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of sixty five. But the one that I've had the
most pushback on is I don't care what they say
means testing. I've paid my Bliman taxes, I've contributed to society,
and if you've got a means test me again for
this and when there are other ways you're going to
have to pay for things like aged care facilities and
stuff like that, that's going to take your money anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What do you think, Luke, I'm all about raising the
age and definitely not means testing. And I think everyone's like,
do pay the taxes, so we should get to a
point where we're going to get something back. But my
point is if you care, if you are rich or
you know, or you can afford to give it back
or say no or opt out to it to say
look I don't need it, put it back into this,
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or gi it to a charity, or give it to
another organization that may need it. But means testing to
me is look, if paid my taxes, I've done with
sixty five years work.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah. I think we also forget the retirement age. It
has gone up over the course of history because we're
all living longer. You just look at and you look
at people. I think there was a time, maybe when
I was growing up, when somebody who was in their
sixties or seventy that was like, oh, they're getting old.
But I see people who it's like, I mean's line
I use all the time. But sixties the new fifty fifties,
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the new forty forties, the new thirty you know. And
I don't know if you saw the story last night
about Christ's College and they had an old boy there
who was one hundred and three, and it sounds like
a joke when I said he didn't look at day
over eighty. But he didn't look he looked amazing. Yeah,
so that's the thing. We are living longer. So isn't
it a natural consequence? We can't fight against that age
growing up? Irene, I'll throw that back at you.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, that is true, and so yeah, it's tricky. I mean,
just pick up on Luke's point about you know, maybe
you don't means test it, but you do it and
more of it. You know, if you don't need it,
do something, give it back or don't take it, or
do something with it. It's funny because you know, I
think about that and you know whether or not I'll
need it, and whether.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You'll need, whether you're need whether you need super on.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I would want to give it to people of my
choice rather than the governments, which is kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, no, no, I think that that's where you and
Luked are on the same page because I know people
who will never need super but if it's there, they're like, well, actually,
if that's my entitlement, i'll take it. But you know what,
I'll make a decision as to what I do with it.
If I want to give it to hospice, I'll give
it to hospice. Because there comes a point where you're
old enough, you've done your time as a taxpayer as
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a contributor, where I think you should be able to
say I'm going to give this money mighty, or to
my grandkids help them buy their first house, or it's
right in the first home and a depods on the
first home.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, anyway, so good good luck having that conversation. I say,
just quickly before we go to the break, I did
want to touch on that. So that's a pretty heavy topic.
But I find it a little bit depressing what's going on,
at least when it comes to resolving the war in
Ukraine that Trump has picked up the phone to putin
so far as Zelensky has been put out of the loop,
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and it looks like there's going to be this policy
of appeasement. Have you followed this much, Iran?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yes, it's sort of a bit of a sinking heart. Really,
I just really feel for Zelenski.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, it does feel like they basically, I mean, maybe
it is realistic that you can't exactly put the borders
back to where they were. But Vladimir Putin is an
evil bastard. Pardon my friend. He's not a very nice man.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
He's just doesn't seem right, you know. And yet so
I suppose sometimes you have to be pragmatic.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But I don't know, but saving lives, I mean, you
can get on with it. At some point. It's going
to be a war for a long time. That's why
I see it, is that what's the better evil? You know?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, I guess you know that Europe will certainly be
feeling the pressure to be up in its defense spending stuff,
because they've said, they've they've been talk about that it
shouldn't be like a Minsk three. I think there were
after previous agreements where they simply paused at hostilities and
Putin just took it as an excuse to regroup and
then attack again a few years later. And that's what
I think we'd all be worried about, isn't that exactly?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
As long as Ukraine gets NATO, I'd be happy.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, that's not going to happen. It doesn't sounds like
it doesn't. It's not going to happen anyway. And I
avoided talking about ARIFK when we're talking about fluoride. So
we'll just leave that one and we'll come back in
just a moment. This is the panel on news Talk
z B. My guests are Luke Dello and Irene Gardner.
It's coming out to twenty two past three. Yes, welcome
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back to news Talk said B. Yes that that that.
I've requested a little bit of led Zeppelin this morning.
I don't know why, but I just I always discover
music very late, and I'm just getting into led Zeppelin
again because it was the sort of music soundtrack when
I was growing up. My brothers used to to pump
it out, and it's also familiar, but I haven't normally
had it as my normal playlist. But there's also my
producer's infants favorite favorite stuff led Zeppelin, so she's raising him.
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Well anyway, welcome back to the panel. I my name's
Tim beveradge At. Luke Dallo and Irene Gardner are my guests,
and let's move on to Well, we're sticking with a
political theme, but something that's slightly quirkier. No Mackers, no
McDonald's for Queenstown. So the commissioners have declined to grant
consent from McDonald's restaurant to open in won Aca. So
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it was going to be a four hundred and fifty
five square meter restaurant with a drive through at the
one Aca Luggett Highway below Mount Iron, and of the
residents were up in arms about it. They were concerned
about the visual and esthetic impact on the town, litter
and all that sort of thing. So McDonald's for the
time being is gon burger no pun intended, Actually no
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pun intended. Its just popped out like that, Luke, what
do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
What did you get over yourself? Absolutely get over yourself.
Just imagine the uproar of a carngo or a six
story building was built on that properly you want, I
could just go beside itself. But no, McDonald's is more
of a restaurant, you know. It provides job, supports community,
and it's good to the community. It's environmentally responsible as well.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's just the customers are not environmentally responsible because I mean,
we all have that image of the McDonald's wrapper blow
across the street, mind, just only because it's so clearly labeled.
You notice it.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
What's marketing, isn't it. It's marketing spent all that. But hey,
there's a McDonald's and whistler, get over yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
There's a McDonald's in Paris.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Correct, So but should there be Well.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Here's the thing I'll throw you. I think, Well, now,
let's get your opinion and see where it goes before
I shoot it down. But you I'm not sure what.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Iren is going to say, But I'm ah, I'm sort
of I think the problem is that the site they
picked is probably the wrong site for it.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
And you have to kind of go you know, that area.
It is a tourist area. It has a certain look
and character. So I can kind of understand why. Because
the site they picked is in a particularly impactful place,
I can understand it. So I've got a little bit
more sympathy than my friend Luke here. Yeah, however, I
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kind of think you could have a McDonald's there, but
just in a different place, a little bit better controlled.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Maybe, you know, well, I mean, you can also design buildings.
It's like the one in Paris. You hardly know it's there.
There's a tiny little Cyncers have rules in Paris about
with signage, so there's no big building. Yeah, there's no
massive sort of I mean, it's not just one mcnonald's
in Paris. I'm sure there's more, but I saw one
but almost didn't notice it. It's interesting they have Macaron's
in the Paris McDonald's as well. In fact, they've got
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quite a few Paris well. Of course that's where the
French fries come from, thank you very much. I look,
here's here's the here's the thing. I think that it's
too easy to go on McDonald's as if McDonald's is
the villain and people go, oh, well, big Max, you know,
they're not healthy and all that sort of stuff, when
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in fact McDonald's can easily say, as any restaurant can say,
you can have the burger, or in fact, you actually
can have a salad, you can have all sorts of
healthy options if you want. But no one does that
and that's the consumer's choice. But to me, you know,
so one, okay, here we go. What have they got?
Four vape stores? Good on them? And what the headlines
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were over the summer is that hundreds of teenagers like
to congregate and punch each other's lights out, to the
extent that three were not done conscious. I think, so
that's all right, But heaven forbid we have McDonald's because
we're not like those sluts in Queenstown who have every
commercial business. It's I'm with you, get over yourselves.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's pathetic, absolutely, And I'll tell you one thing about McDonald's,
you know, I've been in hospitality for twenty odd years,
is that if I see a McDonald's employee in one
of the cvs, I grab them. They have the best
training and they really are a good company.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Actually was Chris Luxon who had a job at his
first job. His LinkedIn profile has all his jobs he's
ever had, including being a bell hop or what's the one,
a porter at the Crown Plas or something good at
that And I think it wasn't McDonald's initially. But you
know what I mean, is it too easy because any
bigger I know what you mean.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It's quite snobby because they do have other fast food outlets.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, if you've got a fish and chip shop, way
up the amount of saturated fact and a couple of
pieces of fish and some chips pizza. Pizza. There you go.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Now you maybe want pizze?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah? Oh, anyway, look, I know it's easy to beat
up and want it. Can I do get their point
of difference why they feel that that's how they identify
because they have always been the sort of more even
if it's shardenay drinking hippies, but they do have that
sort of more hippish sort of life. We're the real
mountain people. We've got a much more expansive view. Look
at that terrible commercial place Queenstown. Oh, we don't go
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to Queenstown. That's a terrible place. And there is this
attitudinal difference. I can understand where they're coming from, but
you know, you get over yourself. Thanks for finishing my
I realized that the word sluttie was quite a strong word,
wasn't it. But I'm not using it in the province
of commercial sort of and I apologize for that, by
the way, just in case that rattle people's rattle people's
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jewelry a little bit too much. Now, this one, this
is probably right up your up your sort of playing
field here, Irene. With the government proposing to level the
media playing field with five proposals, and it's basically helping
local media compete, I guess with what's coming in from
overseas and the international social media. So there's this Ministry
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of Culture and Heritage consultation document to modernize New Zealand's
media legislation regulations. And this is the bit that I
think I started to tune out straight away. Paul Goldsmith said,
there continues to be a hunger and thirst in an
appetite for local stories and local material and local news.
And when I look at it the news, I see
nothing but local stuff. In the world stuff is pushed
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to the back. But what do you make of this proposal?
If you could flesh it out for us, maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's a good document. Actually, my screen industry colleagues are
really happy with it. It shows a really good understanding
of the challenges that we've been facing and the proposals,
and they are any proposals at the stage are good
and sensible. I mean, most of the challenges that both
journalism and local production are facing at the moment are
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because of international big tech. In local productions case, it's
the streamers coming here paying no tax, contributing nothing, using
our broadband, taking our viewers, and it's really hurt. We
just can't earn the advertising revenue that we used to
which supported.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Do you think any of these? Is there one that
stands out will make a difference.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm just going to say there is one that is
about that, and it is about regulating the streamers so
that they contribute to local production. And we're in my
Sparta president hat. We have been lobbying about that for
probably about three years, so we were absolutely thrilled to
see it included. And now it's just a case of
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working it out so that it works, doesn't have unintended consequences,
and happens as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I see there's a proposal there too. It does look practical.
From ensuring smart TVs have New Zealand apps pre installed
and displayed prominently. I go through the apps sometimes the
app menu, look on my TV and go what other
apps are there? Now, there's a bunch of things I
don't recognize, and I don't think that's going to make
That's not going to make a particular amount of difference.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Is that No, it's not going to make any difference
at all. But I'm all for local news and local
productions of our culture. And so forth. More money should
go into our locals, our arts and both the vocal arts.
Like for you Tim a little bit of money.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm not sure that I took the right boxes for that.
We actually had it on that. Actually, the thing about
funding the arts and film it is an awkward one
because I don't think New Zealand is big enough for people,
regardless of what sort of arts form you're in, to
be able to take too much of your own risks.
So I'm a bit conflicted with public money going into
the arts because usually it ends up on the desk
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of CREWD of New Zealand and you've got someone doing,
you know, getting thousands of dollars to do a performance
where they're I don't know, singing whale songs to the
accompany bit of a ukulele. Oh no, I'm making that up.
But it sounds believable.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
That sounds quite nice, quite lovely. Could I just say
at this point that screen is completely different because we
actually are a four billion dollar industry for New Zealand,
and yes a lot of that is international is working here,
but you don't get that but without the domestic bit.
So I just don't want screen lumped in there no.
But to your arts comment, I think it's great that
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we fund the arts, but I think you have a
fair point in what you're saying about. You know, is
it a bit unfairly targeted so that someone like yourself historically.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I'm not worried about. Now I've moved on.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Here's a box of tissues categories, you know, And is
that right?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, that's why I support funding of the major bodies
like the ballet and the and thea in the Court
Theater and things like that in the opera and the
something else music New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
We wouldn't exist without our creative New Zealand and.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So that's why I think. But I think you do
it at that level and then the rest sorts itself
out because those organizations are still generally trying to reach
an audience, with the odd exception possibly from time to time. Anyway,
let's move on, shall we to to? In fact, let's
see what We'll move on to a break and come
back in just a moment and see which of you
two have fallen for the fraud, in my opinion, which
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is taking finerletprene to try and cure your cold, which
is apparently completely useless and Johnson and Johnson being sued,
and we'll see what you think about that. After the break.
It's twenty four minutes to four and welcome back to
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the Week in Collective. This is the panel. My guests,
Irene Gardner and Luke Dallo. Now, guys, this class action
has been launched against Johnson and Johnson's because when they
took pseudo effigerine off the counters, the pharmaceutical companies all
put this product called fennilephrine in cold and flu medicine.
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It had the same branding, whether it branding, whether it
be I don't know what the names were, quadrill or whatever,
but anyway, they were marketed as a nasal decongestant. And
I read this quite a while ago that they've actually ineffective,
and I'd heard that from the GP Donkeys years ago.
But they plugged the stuff and you're simply taking it
the best. You'd say it was a placebo because apparently
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the when you take the drugs orally, they just don't work.
So Bengo wasn't any surprise, but the fact that someone's
sewing them, I thought, good on you. You have you
your cold and flu meds and sort of taker Irene.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I occasionally, I'm quite a hardy soul, and I don't
actually get sick with colds churbably often famous.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Last words, it's next work, next time, what happened to
Irene and sick last time?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
But I didn't know this, and I was amazed when
I read the list of products and that people have
been because and I look, because I do. I do
get cough syrup, because I do. When I do get
a cold, I tend to get a very very bad cough.
And so I looked at the cough syrups, thinking, oh
my goodness, I'll have been being duped, because I was
thinking maybe my cofser it was benad Or, but no,
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my COFs A it was Robotuss. And I checked the
bathroom cupboard.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well that's that's all right, there'll probably be plenty of
GPS going out. She's wasting her time with the with
the cough stuff. I don't know, I don't I think
it's whatever for help though, when.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You're in the middle of the night you can't sleep
because you're going.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, but a honey and lemon as well, whiskey and honey.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Guy over the whiskin honey whiskin honey, nice and hot,
you know, get it going gets nice and soothing down there.
But throw the book at Johnson and Johnson are an
eighty billion dollar company, turnover. Throw the book at them
and had Can I actually get a refund on this
because I've actually bought. I'm in the Consumer's Guarantees Act,
you know, you can I actually get back because it
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didn't work?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I actually don't know. To be honest, life's too short
to worry about whether I bought that stuff. I think
we had one packet, and I might have said to
my wife that I shouldn't have mentioned the article said this,
by the way, this stuff's useless even don't even bother
with it. My biggest beak was that they took pseudo
evergery off the shelves, which is vaguely effective or whatever,
but because people were you know, ram rating and stealing
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it to make pea and all that sort of thing.
But it seems that we don't hear so many stories
about people because they're getting they're successful at importing it illegally,
aren't They.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Didn't act bring it back?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I think, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was all for
the old pseudo effort RNK. Anyway, look they do. Say,
there's the law firm JG. A. Sadler's urging millions of
New Zealanders who have purchased affected products to register their claim.
I mean, how do you do that? Would they say,
please provide your receipts or something.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Or I don't know of it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Anyway, look good on them for taking action, making it
a bit uncomfortable for the pharmaceutical companies on that score
for sure. Hey, by the way, just on something a
little bit more fun, did you guys follow the Dame
Edna the Barry Humphreys auction because Mike Mike Costing a
breakfast hoster, I shouldn't have to describe him as their
breakfast host because, you know, I think people he actually
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had a few instructions to put a few bids on.
I think quite a number of items things that maybe
have gone would have maybe have gone for one thousand
euro or five hundred or fifteen hundred. And I just
caught it in passing, but I think he was talking
about something that was supposed to be fifteen hundred euro
went for ten thousand, and da As glasses one particular
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pair auction for thirty seven thousand, eight hundred euros you've
really got one of the is that being brought because
someone loves them or they think it's going to be
worth more? What do you think, Luke?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I just think someone's brought them because someone loves them.
And what was my going to do with the glasses?
Was going to wear them? Put?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't think he was. I don't think he was
in for the glasses. I think there was a there
was a there was a cat. No, there was a cartoon.
Because I think I heard Kate worrying about you know,
it's all very nice, but she's quite glad he didn't
win because she would have had that picture staring at her.
I'm not sure it was you know, like a meter
by a meter or something, but what.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
A great auction. I mean I was following it throughout
the morning, and there was some stuff that, like I was,
reserves were just like fIF like you say, fifteen hundred
bucks and just went wimbar and always that money gone
to the estate or to a charity or to.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Actually I should know the answer for that, but it's
not immediately apparent right now, but I think anyways, the sale,
look how much the sale raised four four million, sorry,
six hundred and twenty seven thousand pounds. Should I say pounds,
I said europe pounds. Even more characters like Dame Edna.
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I mean, it is an amazing character when you think
of he wasn't the only character of created. My favorite
was Sir Les Patterson because he was just so outrageous.
I remember he was a fictitious character. I read it
was the dribbling and the salivating and revolting. I just
remember the famous appearance on Parkinson where he has an
appendage which were as part of his costume, which was
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ludely suggestive of someone being quite happy. And obviously you'd
hear the audience and absolute fits as Les Patterson would
have just whatever it was, and the camera would pan
write and so there was no chance of something that
they'd have to apologize for.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Marge was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh who was famously born New Zealand. Wasn't he the
New Zealand Bridesmaids or New Zealand bridesmaid?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
That's right? She was just a little whip doll, wouldn't she.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah? I think I saw an interview with her. How
many years? Yes? Was she a while with him?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
For brilliant? I'm guessing the glasses that went for the
huge amount, Probably the really iconic ones with the big
wing tips.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, so I can.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Kind of see why they would go for so much.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I wonder how many people initially thought that day Maiden
it was a real person, or did everyone know it
was a joke.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
No, I thought it was a real person.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You would have been five years old, correct, and probably
you're a fair mark.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I was a little bit older. And no, I never
thought Dave Medna was a woman.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
No, I'm not sure, you know what. I can't remember,
but I'm pretty sure I wasn't on the joke. But
an amazing creation anyway.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
It always does make me laugh when people can get
bent out of shape about the drag queens and you know,
writing and reading in the library, and you kind of think,
didn't you all grow up watching David Well.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Actually, I think actually British humor has always been ahead
of its time in terms of certain stereotypes which some
people may have been uncomfortable with, but England seem to
embrace them. You know that the the overly camp characters
who were just nobody had it. This is before people
were as open about acknowledging different sexualities. But British humour
(33:33):
sort of built whole genres of humor based on camp,
comedy and Loo and are you being served? I still
remember mister Humphreys. Humphreys, I'm free anyway.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Little Britain. That was another one. I'm the only gay
in the town, in the village.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
In the village, I never watched Little Britain.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Actually watch it.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go watch some some old
Barry Humphrey stuff. At some stage, I think, look, we're
going to say quick break, we'll come back. This is
the panel on news Talk said be Weekend Collective. My
guests are Luke Dalo and Iren Garner on tim Beverage.
Will be back in just a tick their teen minutes
to four. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My
(34:30):
panelists to Luke Dallo and Irene Gardner. Now this isn't
a quirky little story, guys. So a guy who has
got a ticket under his windscreen wiper of his not
that it's relevant, his tired highluks and obviously he was
trying to keep a large ute out of people's way.
So he parked two wheels on the boom outside his house,
something he'd done for four years with no trouble and
(34:52):
got a fine. He got a four forty dollar fine
for it. It does seem does seem a little peculiar,
even though I don't know is the reason. I would
have thought, if you're parking with a couple of wheels
on the boom, simply you're doing your bit to try
and be less absor deructive to the traffic on the road.
I'll throw this to you iren first, because yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Think if it's the bit of burm that's by your
house and you're parked considerately, I would have no issue
with that. And I think it is a bit strange
that he got this fine. But then it's hard to
know with these things, because there is some talk that
they'd sort of tried to talk to him about it,
and I don't know, maybe he wasn't one hundred percent cooperative,
(35:32):
so there might be like a cup besides.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
To this one.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
It's not like getting in the way of council mowing services,
aren't you, because we're going to mow our own burms,
which I still feel slightly strange about considering this some
beautiful berms, and there are others that have been turned
into vegetable.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I mean, you can sort of see why they have
the rule, because you wouldn't want just randomly everybody parking
on the boom, would you. But she feels like one
of those rules where this should be just a little
bit of latitude.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It is a funny one, isn't. Because you can all
imagine there are big times where you go, there's plenty
of room on the street, just park on the street.
And then you'd be someone who decides to park three
cars on the berm, and I'd imagine going, well, hang on,
it's not really a parking spot, you know what I mean.
We can all imagine unreasonable, Babe, you can't. We look,
but I'm you look like you're champing at the bit
for this one.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I just think, hey, look, I look after my boom.
That is my boom. Yeah, I'll park on it a lot,
as long as it's clear from pedestrians, as long as
it's safe. I'll pack my truck on the boom all
the time.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Oh that's right, somebody, If you park in someone's driveway
but you leave the footpath free, they can still ticket
you for that.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
They've been clamping down and there was a story about
this a week or two ago. I think wasn't it
heap to me?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Really?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
So? I was packed in my own driveway and they
gave me a ticket wrong, and it's like going into
my house.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well, you weren't obstructing the footpath, No, I think.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
If you pass, if you pack yourself in and you
don't fit the footpath, that seems crazy to me. But
I know technically they can tick at you.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
But just looking for money, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Okay, Well, how insufferable did you scoot?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
No use the way Way Express also known as my legs?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Well done?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
You just down the hell, aren't you. Yeah, I would
be impressed if you'd come from re mirror or something.
Why not lovely? Well it was a little bit, hey,
just on the bureaucracy. I did love this story. It's
not like it's a contentious story or anything. But for
years there were officials in the Czech Republic had been
pushing a damn project to protect a river south of Prague.
(37:30):
So they wanted to damn it so they could protect
some critically endangered species, and they kept it, kept on
getting dragged out. It was ham strung by land negotiations,
and then they left it so long that actually a
group of beavers made a damn for them and actually
built the dam themselves, and they weren't even in on
the process. And I just love the fact. One I
(37:53):
love beavers, and it's it's just the idea of I mean,
they I wonder if we should introduce them here to
build a few dams. But it's a great story, isn't.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
It, Luke. I think it's perfect example of just getting
stuff getting stuff done. You know, the beavers know what
they're doing, take lessons from the Beaver's Auckland City and
the government, and they're just taking action on and adapt
into the environment. And do you just imagine, like you
said before their tim what if we introduced beavers here
and the.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Accidentally fell. But actually, one, I think beavers are amazing animals.
It blows me away that without you know, what they
can construct in their environment. And if you go inside
a beaver's damn, as I've watched on wildlife documentaries, that's
the scale of some of these things, and just that
(38:43):
nature did it. But they are so cute. You are
you a found of beaver? Lovely?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
But I don't think we can certainly just import a
whole lot of beavers to New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
But maybe we should. We could import them where there's
too many pine trees sort of in the wrong place,
the wilding pines. Just release some beavers.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
What they get the fluorid from?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Oh goodness, do you think do you think we could
train up the possums to do something useful?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
We should just train possums to find someone who's hunting
and stand in front of them and go shoot me,
and that would be the best thing.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Put blocks for trucks.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Anyway, But it's a great story. In fact, it makes
me want to go and track down some wildlife documentaries
and just watch the process of beaver's building a dam
because it is quite phenomenal. Anyway. So anyway, Hey, by
the way, how's the property market going for you, Luke.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
No, it's great, it's going really good. Actually, it's really
lifted up this year, definitely from last more inquiry. Yeah,
we're onto it now. So the property market is definitely
coming back.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
So I guess for you, you just want to see
properties being exchanged. You're not so much worried about whether
it's going to grow or not, because I'm a little
bit pessimistic about it.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
But exactly all you want is turnover, and we're not
getting the higher prices or back of the twenty twenties,
But we just want turnover and confidence in the market
that they can put the house in the market and
sell it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
That's what we want and what's keeping you out our
mischief at the moment irene with the screen production and
all that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
We just talked about it, really because that's been our
big lobbying point, has been regulating the streamers. But can
I talk about something completely different?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yes, just quickly, we've got one minute before say goodbye.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I played Zepp song before, and I'm not a big
lead Zep fan, but I absolutely love that intro to
that song. But have you seen on YouTube the little
thing that someone's made of the dancing kittens with little
Viking helmets on dancing.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
No, I've missed that one.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
You must look it out on YouTube. It is the
funniest thing, the little Viking.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I just remembered that I was listening to something. I
can't mean what. It was a whole lot of love
or something, and there's an instrumental, but there was you
might remember the young ones and oh I haven't got time.
Oh my godness, I thought wait a minute to go,
but I have to save that for next time. I
wonder if radio sho Helena Sullivan is next. News talk
z EDB.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
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