October 10, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Chemistry Professor Allan Blackman, and Menswear Designer Murray Crane to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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today's show in just a moment, our panel and I'll
be interrodesting a new panelist today. I'm very looking looking
forward to that, but looking a little further forward in
the show to when we're going to be taking your calls.
After four for the one Roof Radio show, we have
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another new guest. He's an architect basically, and we're gonna
have a look at the the pros and cons of
cookie cutter designs for new builds and also the DIY
projects that we can actually do to boost our homes
esthetics ourselves. And also because he is an architect, we'll
probably say what do you need an architect for? And
I'm sure he's going to give us lots of good
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Marshall after four and after five for the Parents Squad,
John Cown a parenting expert, and it was an idea
thought that I had as a result of my kids,
my wife being away for a few days, my kids
really stepping up, and I thought it'd be nice to
have a chat about the moments in parenting that actually
make it all worth it. And so we're going to
be talking with John about that and sharing your stories
(02:25):
about the moments we go you know, kids sometimes are
a pain, but actually this moment or that moment made
me think it's all worthwhile. So we'll be taking your
calls after five with John Cown and also wrapping sports
shortly before six. But right now, welcome to the Weekend Collective.
It is nine minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Debating all the issues and more. It's the panel on
the Weekend Collective on news Talk.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Said b Yes, and my first panelist. He's actually becoming
a regular on the show. I think he's aut chemistry professor,
a co author of Austril You know, this is a
big one. I've mentioned this before, but I think we're
going to hit it hard. He's co author of Australia's
best seller first Year Chemistry textbook. I said, what's it called?
He said, Chemistry? It's Alan Black black Man. How are
(03:12):
you going? Very well?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Thank you all good, good to see you, good to
be back.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah. Actually, I guess when you do a textbook and
it's aimed at first year, this is very smart thinking.
No point doing a fourth year textbook where the audience
is diminished. Do your first year textbook. That's it. And
so every year it rolls around and the lectures go
and especially this lectro goes, I've got a very good
text to do. In fact, that's required reading.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
I don't do that, don't you know. I don't know. Okay,
I just say, you know, it's up to you.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Good stuff, And joining me is joining us is a
new he's a new panelist. I want to say he's
my tailor, but that makes it sound like I really
do a lot of business with him. But he technically
is my tailor. I could say that I'm one of
his clients. Would be the more accurate way to put it.
And once I subscribe to his mailing list, I realized
that this guy's got quite a few opinions, and let's
(04:02):
get him on the show. He's the founder of Crane
Brothers Tailoring. Going back to nineteen ninety nine, Murray Crane
good a high, How are you going good? Actually, i'd
mceed a gig for actually some people who been on
my show before from a firm called Concilium down in
christ Church it was, and it was financial advisors and
wizards and experts, and of course I broke out your suit.
(04:25):
And it's funny. It leads to a series of highs
and lows because as when I put it on. You know,
I decided to wear a tie and everything I did
look at myself and thought, damn, I looked really good.
And then after the gig, I had a shower and
stepped out of the into the out of the shower
into the hotel room where they've got the angle of
the mirror is. It's a full length mirror. And it
(04:46):
was such a downer to go to be experiencing the
dizzy heights of being well dressed, to seeing myself, you know,
on my birthday suit and going, God, that needs some work.
But that's that's the art, isn't it. Tailoring? Yeah, I'm
glad I was here for the good part. Anyway, Hey,
welcome to the show mate. Good to have you here. Now, firstly,
we've got a few big topics to have a chat about.
(05:08):
But look, Israel says that Phase one of the Piece
deal is underway and all parties have signed the first phase.
I think the Israeli military are in the process of
withdrawing too. Well, they're still going to be occupying about
fifty odd percent of Gaza. But it was a big deal. Alan,
What was your reaction to it? Because I was long
(05:31):
term piece. I have no idea. But it's a bit
of positive news.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Yeah, it's a start, but I just really don't think
that it's gonna last. I really don't. I hate to
be a downer, but all it's going to take is
one extremist from either side and that'll be that. But
remember everything was very similar in nineteen ninety five, and
they had almost basically struck a deal and then that
crazy Israeli guy murdered each Rabin and then Netanyahu came
(05:58):
in after that, and it's all gone downhill since then.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, and look, Murray, what are your thoughts first?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Before I go all I I'm with you just after
that comment. But yeah, it's hard to see it happened.
To be honest, I think, at least in the way
that the media are depicting it. I think there's just
too many what ifs and too many things that could happen,
too many forks on the.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Road, I mean, for the hostages and their families. I'm
to be honest, I can't believe that that Hamas haven't.
I would have thought that that would have been a
strong play for them always to return the hostages, because
then it would put some pressure on Israel. But I
don't know. I guess in terms of the trust on
either side, Harmas are not giving up their arms. But
(06:43):
you know what, if Donald Trump makes this work, good
on him and because it needed the States. But surprisingly,
surprisingly when he was talking about the deal that had
been signed and what they're anticipating, he did actually give
credit to a hell of a lot of people who'd
been working behind the scenes, which was a little unlike
Donald but of course showing some humility maybe yeah, I
(07:05):
don't know, or maybe realizing that actually you've got to
people keep a lot of people on side to make
this happen. I'm cynical about it, only because the Middle
East has been a hotbed of conflict and religious division
for centuries and I can't see that changing in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Ellen, No, No, it's just not going to There's just
I mean, the whole thing, dare I say it? Her
mass have got what they want. They have kept the
hate going for another generation with what they did, and
then Israel overreacted, surprise, surprise. So you know that's what
was always going to happen, and it'll happen again, and
it'll happen again, and it'll happen. I hate to say it,
(07:39):
but it just will.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah. I think the thing that makes me worry about
it is that more cynical is that, regardless of everyone's intentions,
her mass are not going to give up their arms
in a hurry because they won't trust the Israelis. And
to be honest, I wouldn't trust to mass as far
as I could throw them then, but if I was
a member of a mass, I wouldn't be trusting Israel.
And the other thing, if I'm going to be really cynical,
(08:02):
is that Netan Yahoo. If the conflicts stop, then he's up.
There's up for an election, and he's up for facing
corruption charges unless there's some other deal that's been done.
What do you reckon? Marry?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think the disarmament part is the part that will screw.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, but Israel disarm?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Are that none of them?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
You know Israel they've got nuclear art.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Let's let's be fair. If Israel disarmed, that'd be the
rivet of the sea would become reality because we know
what with the wars that have happened when which Israel,
fortunately for them one and have got some sort of
level of detent, haven't they.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Ye, So if they're not going to disarm, then the
other side ain't going to do it, of course they're not.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And also we've got the state. We've got America back
in there too, you know, troops on the ground.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And the reason that America wants to be in there
is all of your fundamentalists who believe that if we
can see, the Second Coming isn't going to happen until
all of the Jews go back to Israel and get
converted to Christianity. It's in the Bible, kid, they convert
to Christianity, yes, yes, yes, And when they converted to Christianity,
then the Second Coming comes along.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Really yeah, I did. You should be right. I can
see your second text coming along. Chemistry followed by a religion.
Oh my good philosophy. Anyway, Look, look, the other thing
is I think it is. I will mention this that
it does seem that there's almost disappointment from parts of
(09:28):
the left that don't want to And I don't know
what credit Trump's going to be due in the end
and how history's going to judge this particular thing. But
it's amazing the number of people who are willing to
waive the banners saying save Palestine, Save Palestine. But they're not.
They don't seem to be quite celebrating this peace deal
because they might have to say something nice about the
strange guys in the White House.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Mart and also Howard a lock if you took Trump
out of it, if Trump hadn't have been there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Because his unpredictability. I wonder if that is because he
said to n and Yahoo, you're the best I'm the
best friend you've ever had in the White House. That
does give him some clout, and you never know, you
don't want to annoy him. I don't know, we don't
want to make of it. Alan, You're you're looking like,
please don't.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Talk to me.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Watch this space is all they can say. I just
I can't see it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Last.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Well, look, let's celebrate the fact that people are not
getting bombed the hell out of at the moment. Let's celebrate.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And you know, the borders have been opened up and
aids flooding, and well.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That is something of a that is something of an
indictment on Israel in that respect, because they were saying
all the aid that needed to get and was getting in,
but all of a sudden we got hundreds more trucks
going through. So obviously it wasn't, so that was bs
on their part as well. I think, can I just mention,
by the way the we I hadn't really got the
(10:49):
slate of a conversation, but Peter Teele calling Greta Thunberg
and and AI critics, He's called them the Antichrist, and
I was thinking, oh, Greta. I mean, I'm no fan
of Greta, but how do you end up going from
a from I don't know. Let's not talk about that.
Let's talk about one of the things that, yeah, you
(11:11):
can add a comment of your life. But I did
throw that in there. The Nobel Peace Prize, now that's
been a topic of conversation because it always is. But
of course Donald Trump has been basically saying what I
need to do to get the Nobel Peace Prize. And
I think it's worth putting out there that I this
is when I get irritated with the media, is that
(11:33):
the media happily indulged this idea of should he get it?
Will he get it, knowing full well that there was
no chance he was going to get it because nominations
closed in January.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Ellen, yeah, absolutely. And the other thing about nominations is
they're not made public for fifty years, so anybody, anybody
could say, oh, I nominated you Donald, and it could
be complete the yes, really, yes, really, that's the way
that the Nobel Prizes work. So all the nominations in
any category fifty years, so they seal for fifty years.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean, let's talk about who got it ex first,
which is probably more important. Actually, yeah, so I'm not sure.
Maria Karina Machado, she's Venezuelan, Venezuela's opposition leader, and she
was awarded for promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela.
She and the government over there has moved to crush dissent.
She's stuck to her guns. I think that the citation
(12:26):
mentioned there's been threats to her life, but she's held strong,
and I think that's that's a very deliberate award and
a good award from the Nobel Committee. Don't you think
Maurray's not bad?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I think it's interesting if you look at what's beginning
to unfold between the United States and some of those
South American countries as well.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Do you think that the Nobel Prize committee are sort
of somewhere.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
In a very subtle way, maybe, but it's a shame
that someone that's probably I mean, I don't know that
much about the work that she's done, but it's a
shame that we have to be talking about it in
the context of Trump as well, because I think that
kind of overshadows whatever she's done.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
She's living in hiding obviously.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Actually, although maybe because of Trump banging on so much
about it, there is going to be possibly ultimately a
bit more coverage for what she's done because maybe people
will go, well, who have they given it to? And
at least highlighted what's going on in other parts of
the world.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Remember, she's one person in one country. There are thousands,
hundreds of thousands probably people like her all around the world,
fighting against you know, dictators and and and they deserve
it way more than certain other people.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And don't want to have it renamed in their own name, Yes, yes,
and don't want to have the name change what is
Trump was advocating.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
That it or something one of Trump's made.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Of one of us sicker fans, Yes, was one of
the men proposing that maybe they should look at changing the.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Name yes to the Trump Oh okay, actually, you know
what if he can get Vladimir Putin to get out
of and sort. But no, but that's a bigger come
but no, no, no, but no, let's let's set up
the if if he if he can in addition to
seeing this some sort of peace process in Gaza persist,
if he can actually get putin, if he can get
(14:28):
some sort of conclusion that's not you know, an imbalance
against Ukraine. If he can sort that, I'd vote for
him for the Nobel Prize because that's the one where
he could use a bit of his clout to maybe
you know, and NATO and all.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
He was going to have it solved in a day.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
If he gets solved in a year, I mean, be
better than not solving it at all. I'm actually, if
he did, would you support him againt the Nobel Prize?
Tough one, tough crowd.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Okay, there's pluses and minus system.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, probably he needs to say he doesn't want to
take over Greenland, cand or or perhaps and they're sending
the army into the States and I'll get the hate mail. Now. Look,
if you're listening, you know, look, just relaxed Trump fans.
You know, we kind of love them as well. Anyway, look,
just before we head to the break.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
This is news talk, breaking news.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think we overplayed the breaking news because it's not
that exciting. But actually I'll get you to guess who's
won the Wellington mayoralty.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
The person that Andrew was made non leader of the
Labor Party because he was so uncharismatic.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
That's right, which, oh wow, anyway, we've Andrew Little found
that far too amusing the Allen Anyway, Andrew Little appears
to have won Wellington's Merle Race and that shouldn't really.
I mean, I think most of these, I mean, what
is it? Ian Brown's won by a landslide, I think
(16:07):
the pathetic turnout, but he's still won by choice.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Could anybody here name the last three Wellington mes.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Off the top of your head or just one? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, no, don't talk about the previous one because we're
going to talk about her later on, guys, so keep
your power of driving the last three? You know, who
are they? The last three, which means Wellington well Tory
Faro obviously and Blum.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Scale something he was ages going, yeah, you know, see
nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh well, we're never going to forget Tory, are we. Anyway,
we're going to take a break because we've got lots
more to talk about. Well, we have a touch on
the local body elections after the break, as well as
a dreadful poll for national and to party Maro. I've
got with a bit of politics to go. This is
the Weekend Collector Bond, Tim Beverage. My guests are Murray
Crane and Alan Blackman. It's twenty three and a bit
past three. Yes, so welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
(17:17):
I'm Tim Beveridge. My guests are Murray Crane and the
chooser of that song was Alan Blackman. That's a hocus
pocus by who Alan? Hocus pocus by focus?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Well the Dutch Dan Goode two seventy one actually sent one.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, well, I'm sure that I'm about to get some
hate mail for you forgetting the date of that song
right now, Hey quickly, guys, not quickly. Whatever. The local
body elections, as we've seen Wayne Browns and Film Major's
been re elected for a second term and chit Cher
and Andrew Little was we touched on before. Did you
vote Murray?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah? And did you know who were voting for?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Did you vote for the whole complain?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah? I almost didn't and I voted at half past eleven. Yeah,
so I was quite pleased with myself on that one.
But I be honest with you, I struggle with the
local boards because it's one thing for people to write
what they believe in and what they do. Anyone can
say they want to have world peace and cheap water
and all that sort of stuff, but it doesn't tell
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you much about their competence, does it?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Allan?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
You know, you can want everything on the planet, but
how are you going to do it? And by cracky,
there were some crazies out there, stand right.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I think if you've got a good local board memor,
you'll support them, So don't go good work in your
little part of the.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I guess I know, because I don't know who the
good ones are who had the majority managed to do
it despite a couple of plankers. I mean, unless you
know someone in there and you call them up and
say who do I vote for. I did actually make
one approach to someone in local body politics who didn't
warn me off one particular candidate, and I took that
person's advice and then actually, I mean, with all due
(18:58):
respect to one of my callers, who was a candidate
in christ Church and Auckland. I didn't vote for didn't
vote for her either anyway, but I was impressed that
he stood in christ Church and Auckland despite living there.
So yeah, anyway, so Andrew Little by the way, Yeah,
I don't think there's not much else to say, so
that we will keeping people updated as further results coming.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
But what what was the turnout, because you know, it
was like twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's actually down. I think there's twenty six. I think
that that maybe the reason for that is partly to
do with the merial result was probably seen as preordained
that Wayne was going to Hozen, so people sort of when, ah,
well I vote on a Waine's going to get in,
and they they didn't care enough about the local boards
to worry about it. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, but you know Kim John Lyon, you know, he
gets one hundred percent, he's going to get in any way,
and they still vote for him.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So you know, while I think the death the pain
of upon pain of death is possibly relevant, and.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
More than twenty six percent of the population seemed to
complain about things.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
So yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, I actually thought be honest, twenty six percent. That's
one in four people actually bothered to vote. I was
almost impressed with that. That shows how low my expectations are.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
But it's not difficult. They send it to you don't
have to, you know, set foot outside basically either going
to post it back or something. It's not difficult a
lot of apathy.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Funny thing is I'm on the unpublished roll and they
still spelt my name. It's a computer generated first name,
and they spelt my first name in the envelope when
it came out as Timmony t Imo n Y. And
I was wondering if Jim Snedden had something to do
with it, because I like to joke that Jim Snedden's
full name is Jimminy Jimmy Snedden. So I'm thinking I
was wondering if anyway, hey, the poll for the poll
(20:42):
for I don't really care about those poles for central
government right now, Alan, but what are you?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
What do you like about it? That's exactly what I
was going to say. The only poll that matters is
the poll it happens next year. So as part of this,
I thought, right, let's go and have a look at
some old polls and see how will they stack up.
So at the start in January twenty twenty three, Roy
Morgan Pole had Labor ahead of National.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, you go.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And you know at the end of the year it
was totally different, wasn't it. So look, let's not.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Worry about this. It really doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I mean, I'm sure the politicians are fretting over it
and everything in bloody bloody blaah, but ultimately that's the
only one that matters.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
One happens everything, And I don't think we can take
you as read that you're a right block voter either.
So I normally if someone there's a poll against your interests,
people go. The only polet matters is election time. Winston
says that as well. But more and more I see
these poles come out and I'm just goin margin of
era that covers that one precisely. Yeah, you can tell
us about that actually, because this margin of era means
(21:38):
that in the larger votes, if the margin of era
is three point two percent or three point four it
means that somebody who registers, say a vote of thirty
three percent, yeah, could either be on thirty.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Or thirty six exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, reasonably confidently, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Which is a few seats in their house.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Absolutely it is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah. So anyway, there we go. Well, there'll be another
poll next week and we'll be talking about that.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I think we've just become a bit fatigued by poles too,
because they are kind of all over that that don't
really mean.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Any And there's so many of them as well, you know,
which one are you going to believe? You know what?
How do people make money.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Out of this?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
For goodness sake? Because they obviously do, otherwise I wouldn't
bother doing them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, yeah, and I actually more and more feel that
polls right now they are more of a litmus test
of how people are feeling right now, you know, because
they're not actually putting their name on a ballot. They're
just saying I'm not happy with things. And actually it
wou'd be curious to know. I mean, you know, you
were you're in the sort of I don't know, what's
(22:36):
what's the there's a metaphor for the canary and the
canary and what I mean as a as a high
street business, what's the vibe for with the people you
talk to?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Uh? Varied, frustrated but kind of expectant like they kind.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Of so they're the doldrums at the moment, but they're
hoping there's a gust coming.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I just think they're frustrated that things probably aren't happening
as fast as they'd like, but they also realize that
good things don't happen overnight. I guess there is a slow,
gradual kind of change that we're going through, I think,
which is unfortunately been happening since the pandemic. Dare we
mention that? But I think the economy is obviously not
(23:32):
in a great place, and that just makes everyone has
their own kind of story and their own reason about
why that annoys them, whether it's.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Which does bring on that point five percent cut by
the Reserve Bank, which was you know, they've generally been
more gently as it goes, but the point five percent
cut does ultimately once the banks and mortgages and it
kicks into lending, does provide a bit more stimulous, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think some of the dialogue that I'm starting to
hear is a you know, like we've just got to
stop relying on the Reserve Bank making cuts to kind
of get the economy going. You know, there's lots of
other things that are going to make that happen. Yeah, positively.
I mean, I know a lot of my colleagues or
other business owners that are trying their hardest to create
(24:17):
wealth or create productivity. And you know, if you're sitting
there waiting for a five percent drop in the ocr
you're probably not going to be that proactive.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
No, I guess might know. Now moving on to other
things political. Now, there was the initial address to the
house by or any kipro I think and from MARI Party,
and I was actually quite surprised that because they did
an unpermissioned Harker and Jerry brownly ended up suspending the house.
She went well out of time. She kept on holding
(24:50):
a hand up to the speaker like, oh I've almost finished,
just you know, hold your fire. And it wasn't even
reported on that day on one news. And I wonder
if the reason they covered it the day after was
because my colleague Mike Hoskin gave them a good kicking,
accusing them of bias the fact that they didn't put
the biggest story of politics that day. But I guess
the only thing I'd suggest is that despite talk from
(25:12):
party Mari about changing and all this sort of thing
didn't It was like systems, normal, systems, crazy normal, Murray
hoping I was going to get a Alan fendship. So
I'll go to Alan first. You can take a deep
breath and then see what he see what he what
he leaves over for you see the scraps.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'm happy to go first.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Okay, where you go.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I my opinion on all of these kind of goings
on in the house, the protocol and tradition needs stamp something.
I mean, Mari culture is kind of full of protocols
and cultural Yeah, culture dos and don'ts. So if you
(25:58):
look at the whole that's that's growl around, you know,
Kawa and tekango and all the rules and all the
rules around being in an a fighter and and being
in a house, and it just seems to me it
seems slightly contradictory.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That was very politely put because I mean that was
Jerry Browny's point, because we have a tea hunger here
and you it should be respected. But I just get
back to the fact that they just it's I've described
rowity why t T as a carnival barker. I think
it's all performative. I think it's all step right up.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Certainly gets attention, but yeah, but I mean, look at
the problems they're facing.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
He says, they have this news conference where they're facing
accusations of being a dictatorial leadership, and he turns up
to the media and says, if anyone asks me a
question outside of this, I'm leaving. And he did. It's like, congratulations,
you look like you've come from one of those South
American countries, you know, with despots or something.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Sure, but mind you, I think I think you know,
those words could have come out of Winstone's mouth.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Exactly, but I mean someone there are enough people voted
for him to get in, so yeah, you know, like
that's the system that we but that we I have.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Given the accusations that they've been facing, that was perhaps
a misstep on his part.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Well the thing is okay, so we've got an unpermissioned
hacker happening. Look, it would have taken to party Maari
five minutes to have a wee chat to Jerry say look,
we'd love to do a hacker after this, and he
wouldn't have said no, of course he wouldn't it. So
it could have very easily been a non event, you know,
just not a problem, but now it's all blown up
in their face and everything, and what's with her going
(27:30):
over time? She's a journalist, she knows how to get
you know, five minutes into five minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Also, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
A shame for.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
The wider Mara community that's something that is so kind
of culturally important to them can be politicized like that
and in turn become something else, which is you know,
I don't think was the intention. We shouldn't be the intention.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, We'll just take a moment, we'll be back and
just a tic just am sorry in just a moment
and he is what is he? Twenty t two minutes
to four news, Talk to you, b back in a
mo stuck, come stuck, don't want a yes, welcome back
(28:25):
to the weekend collected that yes, we are playing that
song because Peter tl accused Greta what's the name don
Burger being the Antichrist, which I thought, well, you know,
I'm no fan of hers, but that's probably pushing it
a bit. So anyway, there we go.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Maybe maybe Peter could donate part of his you know,
great wealth to helping the country out in this time
of need. Maybe twenty seven billion is worth. You know,
they can make it well, you know, yeah, process a
bill here, a bill there.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You actually wonder if you had that amount of money,
how much chorus he could too. That would be barely
that would be barely scraping.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
The that's just interesting paper.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I guess by the way for the panel.
Murray a new guest. Murray Crane. He's the owner and
founder of Crane Brothers Tailoring back going back nine nine
and Alan Blackman. He's the aut chemistry professor, co author
of New Zealand of Australia's Australasia, the best selling first
year chemistry textbook There We Go, which is called Believe
It or Not Chemistry. Okay, now, look, the a lot
(29:23):
of political stories. Actually we're getting on too today, but
that's just the way it is. With the news, school
attendance has risen least so there's a new report that
there's an increased number of students who are attending school regularly.
It's the highest in five years and it's still only
sixty percent of excuse me, only sixty percent of students.
(29:43):
This is a few months after the Ministry of Education
announced you know, finding parents thirty dollars from school, and
you know, as much as three grand But basically they're
highlighting that, giving a push that we expect you to
get your children to school. Still sixty percent.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
It's well, there's the problem with the country right there,
right there, simple as that hate sound. You know, back
in my day, we know the kids went to school.
They just did. You might have one or two, might
not turn up for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But it is still a staggering staut isn't it.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Murray, Well, I mean there's not much that I can
remember from being at school. Both my parents were school
teachers as well, so and it's my father's birthday today.
But you know, if you if you look at the
things that you kind of take away from going to school,
it's not necessarily knowing what capital of Venezuela is. It's
(30:37):
turning up on time, getting out of bed every morning. Yeah, yeah, related,
you know, having a responsibility, learning about responsibility, learning about
the things that you need to do as to function
as a human being. So if you're not learning that stuff.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah, maybe we need to emphasize to the kids that, look,
if you want to basically survive in the world these days,
then you need an education. Education is just vital, just
as you can you can't do without it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, and unfortunately, I mean it's not so much of
the kids. I think it's parents and the family situations,
and there will be a lot of justifications as to
why some kids don't manage to make it to school.
But it's just so important. I mean, of course, it's
just the difference to the country if we get up there.
But at least it's turned around slightly because the governments.
So I think the government's goal.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Is twenty thirty eighty percent.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
That's twenty percent of kids not going to school, because
I went to school, and I know that one hundred
percent is one hundreds.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That's good. You'd like to think you do. If you
do have a business, you'd be.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I think Donald Trump has trouble with percentages.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't mention it. We've had now on this other thing.
You see now office workers are heading to strike, with
teachers and nurses on it tap of the twenty third,
So more than thirty six thousand nurses are going to
walk off the job, eleven thousand other health workers and
forty thousand teachers. Now, the PSA set its members voted
overwhelmingly to strike. Now, look, I have a vested interest
(32:11):
in this because my wife as a teacher. But if
I look at what people I know who are in
private industry have got over the past few years, I
just wonder if something I'm wondering, if this is realistic
at all. And look, we love health workers, we love teachers,
all that sort of thing, but I don't think money
is sloshing around in the government coffers or even in
(32:32):
the private coffers for big pay rises. Alan, what are
your thoughts about it?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Well, okay, so we keep getting told that the health
system is underfunded, and that's always been the case apparently,
So we need to sit down and say, right, what
would a fully funded health system look like? And the
leaders of all the parties need to sit down and say, right,
we're going to go buy try Tetra, whatever part is
in on this, and we're going to have to just
(32:56):
figure it out. What do you want? What would be
a fully funded health system? And I would bet that
nobody can really answer that question. I don't know what
it would look like, but.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
We know that the demands of health are in the
end sort of insatiable up to a point in terms
of resources, doctors, treatments, cancer therapies, all sorts of things.
But you what do you think, Marie.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I think, you know, the world we live in today
is quite different to the world we lived in ten
years ago. I think the demands on the health system
are a lot greater demands and teachers are a lot
greater than in us to do a lot more things
than they ever used to have to do. You know,
you could argue that whatever they paid, it's probably not enough.
But at some point, you know, I mean there's still
(33:40):
a lot of people. Applications to become new teachers are up,
so obviously there's still lots of people out there that
want to do that job.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
But we need dare I say it the right people?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, right right? And you know, the last story we
had was that attendance is at sixty percent. If teaching
was a private industry and you were delivering at sixty percent,
probably be questioning how good a job you're doing.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So the AI response to how much we spend on
health right now, it's thirty two billion, So, which is
as fair a whack of money it is, Oh it is.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's more than Peter tail Scott.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, but we're still underfunded, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So yeah, I just don't know about it. So it
just feels that there's a little bit of an idealist,
ideological clash between unions and the government. And yeah, I
don't know. I'm not sure that the union, the PSA
is going to continue to have the support it might
have had. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
It's difficult, but and there are and there are challenges,
and there are problems. We know that.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And teachers should be paid more. I mean, you know,
you're talking about the private sector before. I mean, you know,
the top rate's just over six figures, just over six figures.
You know, come on, they just quickly by.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The way, you're just on silly things. So theres look
like there's been some bribery with the VT and Z
where people where people were paid to And.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So I've finally caught up on that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
More than three hundred pounds more than does it go
back to your time, doesn't marry? More than three hundred
people are required to reset their practical driving tests, amongst
evidence that officers accepted payments. And I'm not saying I
don't know if it's all these three hundred of the
ones who specifically were seen to be. But if you
felt that you legitimately passed, it's a tough one, isn't it.
(35:24):
You might have been you know, you're someone who might
have passed because you might have paid someone off. But
I don't know where are you at with this? Do
you think the government just is deleve it?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, no, because those people are driving on our roads.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So yeah, but if you are, it's one of those
people who have passed their license legitimately. Should you have
to sit it again? I would think legitimately, but you
had to bribe the person granting you a license. No,
What I mean is not every one of those three
hundred will have been dodgy, right, So if you were
asked if you like they said, look, unfortunately you're one
of the people who sat your tests with this person.
(35:59):
They've been taking bribes, were asking everyone at this period
to reset I would expect one not have to pay
for it. But would you want to reset your license again?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well, if you're confident that you had passed it without
having to bribe then the test tester, then yeah, you
probably wouldn't be too.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Worrin Yeah, but you don't you don't have to pay
for it. I think that said that that that you're
not going to have to pay for it. But you know,
would I pass mine if I had to sit it again?
I don't know. You've got.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Time's gone by.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
We've got this rule apparently that says that you have
to indicate three seconds before you change lanes. That never
happens at Auckland. Does when you're sitting your test. Yeah,
that's the only time it does.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Actually, when I did my test, we had an emergency
stop one and actually someone this is back and write
a days I actually knew because I was a lawyer
back No, it wasn't a lawyer at that time. Didn't
get it that late God goodness, but no, in fact, no,
that's another story.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's when you had to reset it as a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
No. I flashed my lights once at someone had their
beam up and it turned out to be a cop
that I knew, and he pulled me over and for
a speed but he said, look, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Going on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
But in my speed test, the emergency stop I did
was literally because a pedestrians stepped out in front of
me and I had to slam on my brakes. And
funny because the cop was so laid back. I went
and I suppus he's sweating, like, oh my god, and
he just goes, well, we'll give you a tick for
the emergency stop anyway, Hey, look we come back. We've
got one more thing we want to have a chat about,
(37:32):
and it's Tory Faro, the seven thousand dollars meural portrait,
and the reckons on that and what we think of
the actual piece of art itself. Because I've got a
couple of takes on that's nine minutes to four news talks.
The'd be yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My guests,
Murray Crane, he's the founder of Crane Brothers Tailoring, and
Alan Blackman, he's an aut professor of chemistry. Just quickly,
(37:57):
I quite actually now the painting the meryal portrait of
Torri Faro, who was a mistake by counsel. It led
to a seven thousand dollars por trip being painted rather
than doing a photo. But I kind of love it
because it's going to be an image that sort of
ends up as part of our folklore. I liken it
to sort of. It's got mona Lisa esque quality, is
(38:18):
a mysterious smile, but it's got a touch of the
Mari sort of like, what's up, bro about it? What
do you think, Alan? What do you think? Do you
like it? Oh?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
No, I don't really, I'd say I don't think it's great. Yeah,
what do you it's simplest, you don't think it's great.
I know what I like and I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Really, Yeah, what is it about? Is it? Because she's
got her head raised and she's sort of looking down like, yeah,
you know, I'm pretty amazing. You're lucky to lucky. I've
sat for this. She sat for the portrait.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
She sat for the portrait. But it was a mistake. Yeah,
does work?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I don't know?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
So that's yeah, how did it come about in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm surprised she didn't say, am I supposed to being
in council?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
That's right? Yeah, So she should have had a geezer
of water Bohner or something that would have been great.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It was a mistake by counsel. Seven thousand dollars portrait.
To be honest, if you're an artist, if you're a
portrait painter and you want someone to pose for a picture,
you'll have a few photos of her. Yeah, I mean,
seven thousand dollars probably isn't that much money. I mean,
you ask a lawyer to talk about something for a
few hours, bingo, there's seven grand done so, and I
don't know, maybe it was quite a good rate. What
(39:25):
do you reckon, Marry? Do you think if somebody said
was going to put you know, the great founder of
the mistake?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Is an interesting yeah turn a phrase?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Do you think it was deliberate? But they've been that's
been found out that they spent this money on it?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well, obviously do you like it? For hours?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I don't mind it.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
It reminds me of a kind of a velvet painting,
like a trend shot or something. It's got that kind
of Yeah, it does feel about it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, I should have just got Rod Emerson to do it,
and they might have had a slight caricature feel about it.
But he's the guy for the anyway. Like we said, well,
let's I might ask it in the break. We'll sell
you that five bucks. Hey, guys, thank you so much,
Alan Allen Blackman and Murray Crane. Thanks to we'll look
(40:16):
forward to again. Was that tolerable, Hurray?
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah? It was great?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Good, okay, excellent. We'll be back with the One roof
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Speaker 1 (02:42):
Debating all the issues and more. It's the panel on
the Weekend Collective on news Talk.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Said b Yes, and my first panelist. He's actually becoming
a regular on the show. I think he's aut chemistry professor,
a co author of Austril You know, this is a
big one. I've mentioned this before, but I think we're
going to hit it hard. He's co author of Australia's
best seller first Year Chemistry textbook. I said, what's it called?
He said, Chemistry? It's Alan Black black Man. How are
(03:12):
you going? Very well?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Thank you all good, good to see you, good to
be back.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah. Actually, I guess when you do a textbook and
it's aimed at first year, this is very smart thinking.
No point doing a fourth year textbook where the audience
is diminished. Do your first year textbook. That's it. And
so every year it rolls around and the lectures go
and especially this lectro goes, I've got a very good
text to do. In fact, that's required reading.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
I don't do that, don't you know. I don't know. Okay,
I just say, you know, it's up to you.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Good stuff, And joining me is joining us is a
new he's a new panelist. I want to say he's
my tailor, but that makes it sound like I really
do a lot of business with him. But he technically
is my tailor. I could say that I'm one of
his clients. Would be the more accurate way to put it.
And once I subscribe to his mailing list, I realized
that this guy's got quite a few opinions, and let's
(04:02):
get him on the show. He's the founder of Crane
Brothers Tailoring. Going back to nineteen ninety nine, Murray Crane
good a high, How are you going good? Actually, i'd
mceed a gig for actually some people who been on
my show before from a firm called Concilium down in
christ Church it was, and it was financial advisors and
wizards and experts, and of course I broke out your suit.
(04:25):
And it's funny. It leads to a series of highs
and lows because as when I put it on. You know,
I decided to wear a tie and everything I did
look at myself and thought, damn, I looked really good.
And then after the gig, I had a shower and
stepped out of the into the out of the shower
into the hotel room where they've got the angle of
the mirror is. It's a full length mirror. And it
(04:46):
was such a downer to go to be experiencing the
dizzy heights of being well dressed, to seeing myself, you know,
on my birthday suit and going, God, that needs some work.
But that's that's the art, isn't it. Tailoring? Yeah, I'm
glad I was here for the good part. Anyway, Hey,
welcome to the show mate. Good to have you here. Now, firstly,
we've got a few big topics to have a chat about.
(05:08):
But look, Israel says that Phase one of the Piece
deal is underway and all parties have signed the first phase.
I think the Israeli military are in the process of
withdrawing too. Well, they're still going to be occupying about
fifty odd percent of Gaza. But it was a big deal. Alan,
What was your reaction to it? Because I was long
(05:31):
term piece. I have no idea. But it's a bit
of positive news.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Yeah, it's a start, but I just really don't think
that it's gonna last. I really don't. I hate to
be a downer, but all it's going to take is
one extremist from either side and that'll be that. But
remember everything was very similar in nineteen ninety five, and
they had almost basically struck a deal and then that
crazy Israeli guy murdered each Rabin and then Netanyahu came
(05:58):
in after that, and it's all gone downhill since then.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, and look, Murray, what are your thoughts first?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Before I go all I I'm with you just after
that comment. But yeah, it's hard to see it happened.
To be honest, I think, at least in the way
that the media are depicting it. I think there's just
too many what ifs and too many things that could happen,
too many forks on the.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Road, I mean, for the hostages and their families. I'm
to be honest, I can't believe that that Hamas haven't.
I would have thought that that would have been a
strong play for them always to return the hostages, because
then it would put some pressure on Israel. But I
don't know. I guess in terms of the trust on
either side, Harmas are not giving up their arms. But
(06:43):
you know what, if Donald Trump makes this work, good
on him and because it needed the States. But surprisingly,
surprisingly when he was talking about the deal that had
been signed and what they're anticipating, he did actually give
credit to a hell of a lot of people who'd
been working behind the scenes, which was a little unlike
Donald but of course showing some humility maybe yeah, I
(07:05):
don't know, or maybe realizing that actually you've got to
people keep a lot of people on side to make
this happen. I'm cynical about it, only because the Middle
East has been a hotbed of conflict and religious division
for centuries and I can't see that changing in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Ellen, No, No, it's just not going to There's just
I mean, the whole thing, dare I say it? Her
mass have got what they want. They have kept the
hate going for another generation with what they did, and
then Israel overreacted, surprise, surprise. So you know that's what
was always going to happen, and it'll happen again, and
it'll happen again, and it'll happen. I hate to say it,
(07:39):
but it just will.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah. I think the thing that makes me worry about
it is that more cynical is that, regardless of everyone's intentions,
her mass are not going to give up their arms
in a hurry because they won't trust the Israelis. And
to be honest, I wouldn't trust to mass as far
as I could throw them then, but if I was
a member of a mass, I wouldn't be trusting Israel.
And the other thing, if I'm going to be really cynical,
(08:02):
is that Netan Yahoo. If the conflicts stop, then he's up.
There's up for an election, and he's up for facing
corruption charges unless there's some other deal that's been done.
What do you reckon? Marry?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think the disarmament part is the part that will screw.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, but Israel disarm?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Are that none of them?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
You know Israel they've got nuclear art.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Let's let's be fair. If Israel disarmed, that'd be the
rivet of the sea would become reality because we know
what with the wars that have happened when which Israel,
fortunately for them one and have got some sort of
level of detent, haven't they.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Ye, So if they're not going to disarm, then the
other side ain't going to do it, of course they're not.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
And also we've got the state. We've got America back
in there too, you know, troops on the ground.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And the reason that America wants to be in there
is all of your fundamentalists who believe that if we
can see, the Second Coming isn't going to happen until
all of the Jews go back to Israel and get
converted to Christianity. It's in the Bible, kid, they convert
to Christianity, yes, yes, yes, And when they converted to Christianity,
then the Second Coming comes along.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Really yeah, I did. You should be right. I can
see your second text coming along. Chemistry followed by a religion.
Oh my good philosophy. Anyway, Look, look, the other thing
is I think it is. I will mention this that
it does seem that there's almost disappointment from parts of
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the left that don't want to And I don't know
what credit Trump's going to be due in the end
and how history's going to judge this particular thing. But
it's amazing the number of people who are willing to
waive the banners saying save Palestine, Save Palestine. But they're not.
They don't seem to be quite celebrating this peace deal
because they might have to say something nice about the
strange guys in the White House.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Mart and also Howard a lock if you took Trump
out of it, if Trump hadn't have been there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Because his unpredictability. I wonder if that is because he
said to n and Yahoo, you're the best I'm the
best friend you've ever had in the White House. That
does give him some clout, and you never know, you
don't want to annoy him. I don't know, we don't
want to make of it. Alan, You're you're looking like,
please don't.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Talk to me.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Watch this space is all they can say. I just
I can't see it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Last.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Well, look, let's celebrate the fact that people are not
getting bombed the hell out of at the moment. Let's celebrate.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And you know, the borders have been opened up and
aids flooding, and well.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That is something of a that is something of an
indictment on Israel in that respect, because they were saying
all the aid that needed to get and was getting in,
but all of a sudden we got hundreds more trucks
going through. So obviously it wasn't, so that was bs
on their part as well. I think, can I just mention,
by the way the we I hadn't really got the
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slate of a conversation, but Peter Teele calling Greta Thunberg
and and AI critics, He's called them the Antichrist, and
I was thinking, oh, Greta. I mean, I'm no fan
of Greta, but how do you end up going from
a from I don't know. Let's not talk about that.
Let's talk about one of the things that, yeah, you
(11:11):
can add a comment of your life. But I did
throw that in there. The Nobel Peace Prize, now that's
been a topic of conversation because it always is. But
of course Donald Trump has been basically saying what I
need to do to get the Nobel Peace Prize. And
I think it's worth putting out there that I this
is when I get irritated with the media, is that
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the media happily indulged this idea of should he get it?
Will he get it, knowing full well that there was
no chance he was going to get it because nominations
closed in January.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Ellen, yeah, absolutely. And the other thing about nominations is
they're not made public for fifty years, so anybody, anybody
could say, oh, I nominated you Donald, and it could
be complete the yes, really, yes, really, that's the way
that the Nobel Prizes work. So all the nominations in
any category fifty years, so they seal for fifty years.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean, let's talk about who got it ex first,
which is probably more important. Actually, yeah, so I'm not sure.
Maria Karina Machado, she's Venezuelan, Venezuela's opposition leader, and she
was awarded for promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela.
She and the government over there has moved to crush dissent.
She's stuck to her guns. I think that the citation
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mentioned there's been threats to her life, but she's held strong,
and I think that's that's a very deliberate award and
a good award from the Nobel Committee. Don't you think
Maurray's not bad?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I think it's interesting if you look at what's beginning
to unfold between the United States and some of those
South American countries as well.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Do you think that the Nobel Prize committee are sort
of somewhere.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
In a very subtle way, maybe, but it's a shame
that someone that's probably I mean, I don't know that
much about the work that she's done, but it's a
shame that we have to be talking about it in
the context of Trump as well, because I think that
kind of overshadows whatever she's done.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
She's living in hiding obviously.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Actually, although maybe because of Trump banging on so much
about it, there is going to be possibly ultimately a
bit more coverage for what she's done because maybe people
will go, well, who have they given it to? And
at least highlighted what's going on in other parts of
the world.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Remember, she's one person in one country. There are thousands,
hundreds of thousands probably people like her all around the world,
fighting against you know, dictators and and and they deserve
it way more than certain other people.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And don't want to have it renamed in their own name, Yes, yes,
and don't want to have the name change what is
Trump was advocating.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
That it or something one of Trump's made.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Of one of us sicker fans, Yes, was one of
the men proposing that maybe they should look at changing the.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Name yes to the Trump Oh okay, actually, you know
what if he can get Vladimir Putin to get out
of and sort. But no, but that's a bigger come
but no, no, no, but no, let's let's set up
the if if he if he can in addition to
seeing this some sort of peace process in Gaza persist,
if he can actually get putin, if he can get
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some sort of conclusion that's not you know, an imbalance
against Ukraine. If he can sort that, I'd vote for
him for the Nobel Prize because that's the one where
he could use a bit of his clout to maybe
you know, and NATO and all.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
He was going to have it solved in a day.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
If he gets solved in a year, I mean, be
better than not solving it at all. I'm actually, if
he did, would you support him againt the Nobel Prize?
Tough one, tough crowd.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Okay, there's pluses and minus system.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, probably he needs to say he doesn't want to
take over Greenland, cand or or perhaps and they're sending
the army into the States and I'll get the hate mail. Now. Look,
if you're listening, you know, look, just relaxed Trump fans.
You know, we kind of love them as well. Anyway, look,
just before we head to the break.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
This is news talk, breaking news.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think we overplayed the breaking news because it's not
that exciting. But actually I'll get you to guess who's
won the Wellington mayoralty.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
The person that Andrew was made non leader of the
Labor Party because he was so uncharismatic.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
That's right, which, oh wow, anyway, we've Andrew Little found
that far too amusing the Allen Anyway, Andrew Little appears
to have won Wellington's Merle Race and that shouldn't really.
I mean, I think most of these, I mean, what
is it? Ian Brown's won by a landslide, I think
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the pathetic turnout, but he's still won by choice.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Could anybody here name the last three Wellington mes.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Off the top of your head or just one? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, no, don't talk about the previous one because we're
going to talk about her later on, guys, so keep
your power of driving the last three? You know, who
are they? The last three, which means Wellington well Tory
Faro obviously and Blum.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Scale something he was ages going, yeah, you know, see
nobody knows.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh well, we're never going to forget Tory, are we. Anyway,
we're going to take a break because we've got lots
more to talk about. Well, we have a touch on
the local body elections after the break, as well as
a dreadful poll for national and to party Maro. I've
got with a bit of politics to go. This is
the Weekend Collector Bond, Tim Beverage. My guests are Murray
Crane and Alan Blackman. It's twenty three and a bit
past three. Yes, so welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
(17:17):
I'm Tim Beveridge. My guests are Murray Crane and the
chooser of that song was Alan Blackman. That's a hocus
pocus by who Alan? Hocus pocus by focus?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Well the Dutch Dan Goode two seventy one actually sent one.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, well, I'm sure that I'm about to get some
hate mail for you forgetting the date of that song
right now, Hey quickly, guys, not quickly. Whatever. The local
body elections, as we've seen Wayne Browns and Film Major's
been re elected for a second term and chit Cher
and Andrew Little was we touched on before. Did you
vote Murray?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah? And did you know who were voting for?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Did you vote for the whole complain?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah? I almost didn't and I voted at half past eleven. Yeah,
so I was quite pleased with myself on that one.
But I be honest with you, I struggle with the
local boards because it's one thing for people to write
what they believe in and what they do. Anyone can
say they want to have world peace and cheap water
and all that sort of stuff, but it doesn't tell
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you much about their competence, does it?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Allan?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
You know, you can want everything on the planet, but
how are you going to do it? And by cracky,
there were some crazies out there, stand right.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I think if you've got a good local board memor,
you'll support them, So don't go good work in your
little part of the.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I guess I know, because I don't know who the
good ones are who had the majority managed to do
it despite a couple of plankers. I mean, unless you
know someone in there and you call them up and
say who do I vote for. I did actually make
one approach to someone in local body politics who didn't
warn me off one particular candidate, and I took that
person's advice and then actually, I mean, with all due
(18:58):
respect to one of my callers, who was a candidate
in christ Church and Auckland. I didn't vote for didn't
vote for her either anyway, but I was impressed that
he stood in christ Church and Auckland despite living there.
So yeah, anyway, so Andrew Little by the way, Yeah,
I don't think there's not much else to say, so
that we will keeping people updated as further results coming.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
But what what was the turnout, because you know, it
was like twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's actually down. I think there's twenty six. I think
that that maybe the reason for that is partly to
do with the merial result was probably seen as preordained
that Wayne was going to Hozen, so people sort of when, ah,
well I vote on a Waine's going to get in,
and they they didn't care enough about the local boards
to worry about it. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, but you know Kim John Lyon, you know, he
gets one hundred percent, he's going to get in any way,
and they still vote for him.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So you know, while I think the death the pain
of upon pain of death is possibly relevant, and.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
More than twenty six percent of the population seemed to
complain about things.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
So yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, I actually thought be honest, twenty six percent. That's
one in four people actually bothered to vote. I was
almost impressed with that. That shows how low my expectations are.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
But it's not difficult. They send it to you don't
have to, you know, set foot outside basically either going
to post it back or something. It's not difficult a
lot of apathy.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Funny thing is I'm on the unpublished roll and they
still spelt my name. It's a computer generated first name,
and they spelt my first name in the envelope when
it came out as Timmony t Imo n Y. And
I was wondering if Jim Snedden had something to do
with it, because I like to joke that Jim Snedden's
full name is Jimminy Jimmy Snedden. So I'm thinking I
was wondering if anyway, hey, the poll for the poll
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for I don't really care about those poles for central
government right now, Alan, but what are you?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
What do you like about it? That's exactly what I
was going to say. The only poll that matters is
the poll it happens next year. So as part of this,
I thought, right, let's go and have a look at
some old polls and see how will they stack up.
So at the start in January twenty twenty three, Roy
Morgan Pole had Labor ahead of National.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, you go.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And you know at the end of the year it
was totally different, wasn't it. So look, let's not.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Worry about this. It really doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I mean, I'm sure the politicians are fretting over it
and everything in bloody bloody blaah, but ultimately that's the
only one that matters.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
One happens everything, And I don't think we can take
you as read that you're a right block voter either.
So I normally if someone there's a poll against your interests,
people go. The only polet matters is election time. Winston
says that as well. But more and more I see
these poles come out and I'm just goin margin of
era that covers that one precisely. Yeah, you can tell
us about that actually, because this margin of era means
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that in the larger votes, if the margin of era
is three point two percent or three point four it
means that somebody who registers, say a vote of thirty
three percent, yeah, could either be on thirty.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Or thirty six exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, reasonably confidently, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Which is a few seats in their house.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Absolutely it is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah. So anyway, there we go. Well, there'll be another
poll next week and we'll be talking about that.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I think we've just become a bit fatigued by poles too,
because they are kind of all over that that don't
really mean.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Any And there's so many of them as well, you know,
which one are you going to believe? You know what?
How do people make money.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Out of this?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
For goodness sake? Because they obviously do, otherwise I wouldn't
bother doing them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, yeah, and I actually more and more feel that
polls right now they are more of a litmus test
of how people are feeling right now, you know, because
they're not actually putting their name on a ballot. They're
just saying I'm not happy with things. And actually it
wou'd be curious to know. I mean, you know, you
were you're in the sort of I don't know, what's
(22:36):
what's the there's a metaphor for the canary and the
canary and what I mean as a as a high
street business, what's the vibe for with the people you
talk to?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Uh? Varied, frustrated but kind of expectant like they kind.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Of so they're the doldrums at the moment, but they're
hoping there's a gust coming.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
No.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I just think they're frustrated that things probably aren't happening
as fast as they'd like, but they also realize that
good things don't happen overnight. I guess there is a slow,
gradual kind of change that we're going through, I think,
which is unfortunately been happening since the pandemic. Dare we
mention that? But I think the economy is obviously not
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in a great place, and that just makes everyone has
their own kind of story and their own reason about
why that annoys them, whether it's.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Which does bring on that point five percent cut by
the Reserve Bank, which was you know, they've generally been
more gently as it goes, but the point five percent
cut does ultimately once the banks and mortgages and it
kicks into lending, does provide a bit more stimulous, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think some of the dialogue that I'm starting to
hear is a you know, like we've just got to
stop relying on the Reserve Bank making cuts to kind
of get the economy going. You know, there's lots of
other things that are going to make that happen. Yeah, positively.
I mean, I know a lot of my colleagues or
other business owners that are trying their hardest to create
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wealth or create productivity. And you know, if you're sitting
there waiting for a five percent drop in the ocr
you're probably not going to be that proactive.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
No, I guess might know. Now moving on to other
things political. Now, there was the initial address to the
house by or any kipro I think and from MARI Party,
and I was actually quite surprised that because they did
an unpermissioned Harker and Jerry brownly ended up suspending the house.
She went well out of time. She kept on holding
(24:50):
a hand up to the speaker like, oh I've almost finished,
just you know, hold your fire. And it wasn't even
reported on that day on one news. And I wonder
if the reason they covered it the day after was
because my colleague Mike Hoskin gave them a good kicking,
accusing them of bias the fact that they didn't put
the biggest story of politics that day. But I guess
the only thing I'd suggest is that despite talk from
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party Mari about changing and all this sort of thing
didn't It was like systems, normal, systems, crazy normal, Murray
hoping I was going to get a Alan fendship. So
I'll go to Alan first. You can take a deep
breath and then see what he see what he what
he leaves over for you see the scraps.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'm happy to go first.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Okay, where you go.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I my opinion on all of these kind of goings
on in the house, the protocol and tradition needs stamp something.
I mean, Mari culture is kind of full of protocols
and cultural Yeah, culture dos and don'ts. So if you
(25:58):
look at the whole that's that's growl around, you know,
Kawa and tekango and all the rules and all the
rules around being in an a fighter and and being
in a house, and it just seems to me it
seems slightly contradictory.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That was very politely put because I mean that was
Jerry Browny's point, because we have a tea hunger here
and you it should be respected. But I just get
back to the fact that they just it's I've described
rowity why t T as a carnival barker. I think
it's all performative. I think it's all step right up.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Certainly gets attention, but yeah, but I mean, look at
the problems they're facing.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
He says, they have this news conference where they're facing
accusations of being a dictatorial leadership, and he turns up
to the media and says, if anyone asks me a
question outside of this, I'm leaving. And he did. It's like, congratulations,
you look like you've come from one of those South
American countries, you know, with despots or something.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Sure, but mind you, I think I think you know,
those words could have come out of Winstone's mouth.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Exactly, but I mean someone there are enough people voted
for him to get in, so yeah, you know, like
that's the system that we but that we I have.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Given the accusations that they've been facing, that was perhaps
a misstep on his part.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Well the thing is okay, so we've got an unpermissioned
hacker happening. Look, it would have taken to party Maari
five minutes to have a wee chat to Jerry say look,
we'd love to do a hacker after this, and he
wouldn't have said no, of course he wouldn't it. So
it could have very easily been a non event, you know,
just not a problem, but now it's all blown up
in their face and everything, and what's with her going
(27:30):
over time? She's a journalist, she knows how to get
you know, five minutes into five minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Also, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
A shame for.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
The wider Mara community that's something that is so kind
of culturally important to them can be politicized like that
and in turn become something else, which is you know,
I don't think was the intention. We shouldn't be the intention.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, We'll just take a moment, we'll be back and
just a tic just am sorry in just a moment
and he is what is he? Twenty t two minutes
to four news, Talk to you, b back in a
mo stuck, come stuck, don't want a yes, welcome back
(28:25):
to the weekend collected that yes, we are playing that
song because Peter tl accused Greta what's the name don
Burger being the Antichrist, which I thought, well, you know,
I'm no fan of hers, but that's probably pushing it
a bit. So anyway, there we go.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Maybe maybe Peter could donate part of his you know,
great wealth to helping the country out in this time
of need. Maybe twenty seven billion is worth. You know,
they can make it well, you know, yeah, process a
bill here, a bill there.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You actually wonder if you had that amount of money,
how much chorus he could too. That would be barely
that would be barely scraping.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
The that's just interesting paper.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I guess by the way for the panel.
Murray a new guest. Murray Crane. He's the owner and
founder of Crane Brothers Tailoring back going back nine nine
and Alan Blackman. He's the aut chemistry professor, co author
of New Zealand of Australia's Australasia, the best selling first
year chemistry textbook There We Go, which is called Believe
It or Not Chemistry. Okay, now, look, the a lot
(29:23):
of political stories. Actually we're getting on too today, but
that's just the way it is. With the news, school
attendance has risen least so there's a new report that
there's an increased number of students who are attending school regularly.
It's the highest in five years and it's still only
sixty percent of excuse me, only sixty percent of students.
(29:43):
This is a few months after the Ministry of Education
announced you know, finding parents thirty dollars from school, and
you know, as much as three grand But basically they're
highlighting that, giving a push that we expect you to
get your children to school. Still sixty percent.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
It's well, there's the problem with the country right there,
right there, simple as that hate sound. You know, back
in my day, we know the kids went to school.
They just did. You might have one or two, might
not turn up for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But it is still a staggering staut isn't it.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Murray, Well, I mean there's not much that I can
remember from being at school. Both my parents were school
teachers as well, so and it's my father's birthday today.
But you know, if you if you look at the
things that you kind of take away from going to school,
it's not necessarily knowing what capital of Venezuela is. It's
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turning up on time, getting out of bed every morning. Yeah, yeah, related,
you know, having a responsibility, learning about responsibility, learning about
the things that you need to do as to function
as a human being. So if you're not learning that stuff.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah, maybe we need to emphasize to the kids that, look,
if you want to basically survive in the world these days,
then you need an education. Education is just vital, just
as you can you can't do without it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, and unfortunately, I mean it's not so much of
the kids. I think it's parents and the family situations,
and there will be a lot of justifications as to
why some kids don't manage to make it to school.
But it's just so important. I mean, of course, it's
just the difference to the country if we get up there.
But at least it's turned around slightly because the governments.
So I think the government's goal.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Is twenty thirty eighty percent.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
That's twenty percent of kids not going to school, because
I went to school, and I know that one hundred
percent is one hundreds.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
That's good. You'd like to think you do. If you
do have a business, you'd be.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
I think Donald Trump has trouble with percentages.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I don't mention it. We've had now on this other thing.
You see now office workers are heading to strike, with
teachers and nurses on it tap of the twenty third,
So more than thirty six thousand nurses are going to
walk off the job, eleven thousand other health workers and
forty thousand teachers. Now, the PSA set its members voted
overwhelmingly to strike. Now, look, I have a vested interest
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in this because my wife as a teacher. But if
I look at what people I know who are in
private industry have got over the past few years, I
just wonder if something I'm wondering, if this is realistic
at all. And look, we love health workers, we love teachers,
all that sort of thing, but I don't think money
is sloshing around in the government coffers or even in
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the private coffers for big pay rises. Alan, what are
your thoughts about it?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Well, okay, so we keep getting told that the health
system is underfunded, and that's always been the case apparently,
So we need to sit down and say, right, what
would a fully funded health system look like? And the
leaders of all the parties need to sit down and say, right,
we're going to go buy try Tetra, whatever part is
in on this, and we're going to have to just
(32:56):
figure it out. What do you want? What would be
a fully funded health system? And I would bet that
nobody can really answer that question. I don't know what
it would look like, but.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
We know that the demands of health are in the
end sort of insatiable up to a point in terms
of resources, doctors, treatments, cancer therapies, all sorts of things.
But you what do you think, Marie.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I think, you know, the world we live in today
is quite different to the world we lived in ten
years ago. I think the demands on the health system
are a lot greater demands and teachers are a lot
greater than in us to do a lot more things
than they ever used to have to do. You know,
you could argue that whatever they paid, it's probably not enough.
But at some point, you know, I mean there's still
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a lot of people. Applications to become new teachers are up,
so obviously there's still lots of people out there that
want to do that job.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
But we need dare I say it the right people?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, right right? And you know, the last story we
had was that attendance is at sixty percent. If teaching
was a private industry and you were delivering at sixty percent,
probably be questioning how good a job you're doing.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So the AI response to how much we spend on
health right now, it's thirty two billion, So, which is
as fair a whack of money it is, Oh it is.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's more than Peter tail Scott.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, but we're still underfunded, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So yeah, I just don't know about it. So it
just feels that there's a little bit of an idealist,
ideological clash between unions and the government. And yeah, I
don't know. I'm not sure that the union, the PSA
is going to continue to have the support it might
have had. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
It's difficult, but and there are and there are challenges,
and there are problems. We know that.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And teachers should be paid more. I mean, you know,
you're talking about the private sector before. I mean, you know,
the top rate's just over six figures, just over six figures.
You know, come on, they just quickly by.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The way, you're just on silly things. So theres look
like there's been some bribery with the VT and Z
where people where people were paid to And.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So I've finally caught up on that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
More than three hundred pounds more than does it go
back to your time, doesn't marry? More than three hundred
people are required to reset their practical driving tests, amongst
evidence that officers accepted payments. And I'm not saying I
don't know if it's all these three hundred of the
ones who specifically were seen to be. But if you
felt that you legitimately passed, it's a tough one, isn't it.
(35:24):
You might have been you know, you're someone who might
have passed because you might have paid someone off. But
I don't know where are you at with this? Do
you think the government just is deleve it?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, no, because those people are driving on our roads.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So yeah, but if you are, it's one of those
people who have passed their license legitimately. Should you have
to sit it again? I would think legitimately, but you
had to bribe the person granting you a license. No,
What I mean is not every one of those three
hundred will have been dodgy, right, So if you were
asked if you like they said, look, unfortunately you're one
of the people who sat your tests with this person.
(35:59):
They've been taking bribes, were asking everyone at this period
to reset I would expect one not have to pay
for it. But would you want to reset your license again?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well, if you're confident that you had passed it without
having to bribe then the test tester, then yeah, you
probably wouldn't be too.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Worrin Yeah, but you don't you don't have to pay
for it. I think that said that that that you're
not going to have to pay for it. But you know,
would I pass mine if I had to sit it again?
I don't know. You've got.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Time's gone by.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
We've got this rule apparently that says that you have
to indicate three seconds before you change lanes. That never
happens at Auckland. Does when you're sitting your test. Yeah,
that's the only time it does.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Actually, when I did my test, we had an emergency
stop one and actually someone this is back and write
a days I actually knew because I was a lawyer
back No, it wasn't a lawyer at that time. Didn't
get it that late God goodness, but no, in fact, no,
that's another story.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's when you had to reset it as a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
No. I flashed my lights once at someone had their
beam up and it turned out to be a cop
that I knew, and he pulled me over and for
a speed but he said, look, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Going on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
But in my speed test, the emergency stop I did
was literally because a pedestrians stepped out in front of
me and I had to slam on my brakes. And
funny because the cop was so laid back. I went
and I suppus he's sweating, like, oh my god, and
he just goes, well, we'll give you a tick for
the emergency stop anyway, Hey, look we come back. We've
got one more thing we want to have a chat about,
(37:32):
and it's Tory Faro, the seven thousand dollars meural portrait,
and the reckons on that and what we think of
the actual piece of art itself. Because I've got a
couple of takes on that's nine minutes to four news talks.
The'd be yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My guests,
Murray Crane, he's the founder of Crane Brothers Tailoring, and
Alan Blackman, he's an aut professor of chemistry. Just quickly,
(37:57):
I quite actually now the painting the meryal portrait of
Torri Faro, who was a mistake by counsel. It led
to a seven thousand dollars por trip being painted rather
than doing a photo. But I kind of love it
because it's going to be an image that sort of
ends up as part of our folklore. I liken it
to sort of. It's got mona Lisa esque quality, is
(38:18):
a mysterious smile, but it's got a touch of the
Mari sort of like, what's up, bro about it? What
do you think, Alan? What do you think? Do you
like it? Oh?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
No, I don't really, I'd say I don't think it's great. Yeah,
what do you it's simplest, you don't think it's great.
I know what I like and I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Really, Yeah, what is it about? Is it? Because she's
got her head raised and she's sort of looking down like, yeah,
you know, I'm pretty amazing. You're lucky to lucky. I've
sat for this. She sat for the portrait.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
She sat for the portrait. But it was a mistake. Yeah,
does work?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I don't know?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
So that's yeah, how did it come about in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm surprised she didn't say, am I supposed to being
in council?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
That's right? Yeah, So she should have had a geezer
of water Bohner or something that would have been great.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It was a mistake by counsel. Seven thousand dollars portrait.
To be honest, if you're an artist, if you're a
portrait painter and you want someone to pose for a picture,
you'll have a few photos of her. Yeah, I mean,
seven thousand dollars probably isn't that much money. I mean,
you ask a lawyer to talk about something for a
few hours, bingo, there's seven grand done so, and I
don't know, maybe it was quite a good rate. What
(39:25):
do you reckon, Marry? Do you think if somebody said
was going to put you know, the great founder of
the mistake?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Is an interesting yeah turn a phrase?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Do you think it was deliberate? But they've been that's
been found out that they spent this money on it?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well, obviously do you like it? For hours?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I don't mind it.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
It reminds me of a kind of a velvet painting,
like a trend shot or something. It's got that kind
of Yeah, it does feel about it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, I should have just got Rod Emerson to do it,
and they might have had a slight caricature feel about it.
But he's the guy for the anyway. Like we said, well,
let's I might ask it in the break. We'll sell
you that five bucks. Hey, guys, thank you so much,
Alan Allen Blackman and Murray Crane. Thanks to we'll look
(40:16):
forward to again. Was that tolerable, Hurray?
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah? It was great?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Good, okay, excellent. We'll be back with the One roof
radio show, Talking Architecture and Crack Yeah. Back soon.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
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