May 10, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Irene Gardiner and Allan Blackman to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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Speaker 1 (02:49):
Insightful, entertaining and always old boys. Tim Beveridge on the
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Speaker 3 (02:56):
B Yes, And we have a new panelist today which
almost needs a drum roll that I haven't told my
producer i'd like a drum roll. Oh my god, she's
got the drum roll a high timpany. Thank you, Tarah,
well done. You were on fire today. And he is
an aut science researcher and chemistry of all things. I
don't know why I say of all things, probably because
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I always sucked at chemistry and never understood it despite
passing it. And his name is Alan Blackman. Alan, how
are you going.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Hey, Tim, I am great, Yeah, thrilled to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Good, thank you for joining us. Actually, how long? So
are you you lecturer in chemistry? And is that tell
us a little bit about yourself just before we'll find
out more as you offer your obnoxious opinions.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I'm a chemistry professor and I love music.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
How's that? Oh? Okay, big, big music buff?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Really yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah? In terms of music, buff, have you dabbled in
it outside of the outside of non professional sort of world.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I've used to playing a band and you know stuff
like that?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Really what what instrument?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Keyboards? And keyboards did all my grades? And that was
your choice? By the way, it was lane greatest song, really,
greatest song. Why brings tears to the eyes? I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Is it just something about the melody and heard it
since I was a kid, and it's magnificent, lovely. Hey, Well,
thanks for joining us. Great too, great to catch up
to meet and joining him alongside? Is she is? She's
got Actually quite a lot of occupations we could we
could list alongside, which sounds quite questionable now I put
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it that way, but no, I just mean, there's so
many things we could pick from all legit. By the way,
that sounded like I was suggesting she had some sort
of some sort of mischievous background. But no, she's been
the producer, a journalist, a producer. She's president of SPARTA,
which is the screen unites that screen production thing and
and I can't remember what it stands for. Me Irene Gardner.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Allen gets a drum roll.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I wasn't expecting the drum roll, because funny thing is
she must have paid that earlier, because I remember the
last time had a new guest, I thought, oh, we
need a drum roll, and so Tyra obviously put it
on here to do list. How are you?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What does SPARTA stand for again?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
No, this is the problem. It doesn't actually stand for
anything anymore, and so we just say the New Zealand's
Green Producers Guild SPARTA.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
What it used to stand for the Academy of Dramatic Artists.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
So it used to be these Green Producers and Directors Association,
but the directors ran away, but by then everyone called
us SPATA.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It could just be spark, so we.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Kept calling ourselves Sparta. But it really confuses people because
we're not really anything.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You could be well, I mean people in the arts
are fairly they're fairly colorful people. You could say that
Screen Producers and Darlings Association.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
See that's quite good. For a while, we tried Screen
Production and Development Association, but they're just confused people. So okay,
we're just the screen producers good, and we're just called.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I'm glad you're here today, not just because you're a
ray of sunshine in the studio, but because we've got
a topic which I think you're going to you're going
to be well informed on and will help us with
our opinions. Anyway, Hey, now let's kick it off. So
the new pope has been announced and it's Robert Prevost.
He is going to be Louis Leo, not Louis French
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King Leo the fourteenth. And as I saw the doors
closed and I watched them walk around, and I thought,
oh god, I'm not really interested in all this pomp
and circumstance. And then I saw him come out and
greet the crowds, and there was a close up of
him and he looked genuinely moved and I and I
almost got you've almost got a feeling as opposed to
it being from a distance of how much it meant
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to him, and then we learned a bit more about him.
And actually, regardless of whether we're religious, and I don't
know if any of us in this room are religious,
let's kick it off with you on this one, Irene.
What's your reaction to the new pope and it's his
role in the world.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
I mean, you know, as we were joking before, tim
as the daughter of Northern Irish Protestants, I do find
it slightly strange that I'm talking about the pope, But hey,
he seems to be a really good and decent human being.
He seems to be potentially quite a liberal pope, you know,
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and as was the previous pope. Yeah, we've just Francis,
and so those things seem good to me. I got
the same feeling as you. He seemed very genuine and
moved as he came out. And you know, I'm kind
of intrigued by the fact that of all the institutions,
sort of feels a little bit like the Catholic Church,
which you'd think of as quite a conservative institution, is
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the one that is taking a little push back and going,
let's have a really world prominent American who shows good
behavior as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yes. I mean, I think that's more of a side
effect that he's going to be a possible a contrast
to Trump. And he has told J D vance Off
back when he was just just Bob, Bob prevos. I
don't know if you saw the news with his brother,
and I loved the clip of his brother going Bob
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and I actually thought that was I thought that was
just a lovely sort of human because for this your brother,
I've been quite surprising him. We're not religious but Catholic.
It was what.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know, and him going on about the ironing table
or something, as he'd get up and sort of preach
behind the ironing table or something.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, you see, he was always he joked that he
was destined to be post Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah. So I my feeling is the fact that he's
American is definitely not an accident. And I think it's
you know, and they did it after what four votes,
I think, which is pretty quick, I would say. So
I think this is a reaction to Trump. I really do.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Wow, you're both you're both thinking the Cardinals were up
to a bit of political sort of.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I think the very political, but just humanity.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think he can't divorce it from politics. I can
you unfortunately, But no, I take your point about the
whole humanity thing and everything. But okay, so I when
you're saying that, you know they're being a bit progressive
and everything. But you know, when are we going to
get the success at the pope Joan, that's my question?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Well, yes, I will to make your point. You know
that women still can't be the pope.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
No, well yeah, yes I did. I mean you can't
have but notice it all it's all guys. And I
was thinking, well, I guess that's just that is the
way it isn't to be Catholics. So I'm not religious.
I'm assuming that none of us are religious, and the
Catholics might be listening game where you should just stick
to your corner. But I think there is the interesting
thing about what Francis did. I think he raised the
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sort of profile of the pope, the role of the
pope two people who were also not Catholic, and I
think I look at the way that the papacy has
gone and it does seem that I think they have
got an important role to play in global thing in
a way as a messenger of and some people who
can talk about, I don't know, broader concepts that don't
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have to play politics as ruthlessly. Do you think the
pope has an important role play, Alan.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, you're talking about Francis. You know, he had a
master's degree in chemistry, so you know he's a good Yes,
he did, yes, Okay, Yeah, and the current one's got
a degree in mathematics.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So there we go where you know, we're getting into
the twenty first century with the Catholic Jews. This is good.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
What do you reckon in terms of the role of
the papacy and global affairs?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
That's what I was looking Yeah, I think you're right term,
I think it has become and I think Pope Francis
was a lot of that. And I think for the
new pope, Pope Leo, the one, even though Francis was,
you know, generally accepted as a good and progressive probe,
he did sort of still have the last vestiges of
the child sex abuse scandals kind of still a little
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bit attached to him, whereas the new pope will come
in I think clean of that.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And well, there's some suggestions he didn't do enough when
he was in Chicago, which was two or three decades ago.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But anyway, so yeah, no, I think that is quite
and I think there's a kind of a sort of
a soft power thing with and it is interesting with
a personality like Donald Trump's, where he you know, he's
quite childlike in some ways and he sort of likes
ceremony and he likes famous people. And you know, there's
been talk that Britain's going to use Prince Charles a
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little bit more than they would ever have used the Queen,
you know, for that soft power thing, because Trump is
you know, a little and raptured with royalty, and so
I kind of feel like there might be a bit
of that.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Is there an irony here and that if that is
what you're is, if that is part of the case
that we're looking and you've just mentioned King Charles, Prince Charles,
you might have I still call him. The only reason
I called him King Charles is because when I was
listening to you thinking, I think she called him Prince
Charles after yet right too many years. But is that
we're looking at two unelected positions possibly having a voice
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to temper some of the impulses of But he was
democratically elected. There is kind of an irony.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Isn't there. I was reading online just before and somebody
saying that the Vatican are going to be free of
tariffs because the Pope was made in America, so oh.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, possibly imagine if they added tariffs. I'm tithing and anyway, look,
I would say that I'm reasonably optimistic that he's going
to be another He's going to make another positive contribution.
And somebody's texted I think was worth throwing this into
it. It says it says, I don't think that the pope
is a reaction to Trump. I think that this pope
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is a reaction to Pope Francis.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And I mean to be fair, Yeah, yeah, yeah, point taken.
But I think, yeah, I still thoughtful Trump's in the mix.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Now, yeah, I knew there was a reason. We've got
a chemist in here. Now. Do you know what the
chemical reaction is that they rely on to have the
white smoke and.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
The black black spoke?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Ones potassium per per magnate and the other one is
potassium law eight, which is we believe, And the white
smoke is with sulfur and the black smoke's with anthraccene.
So really yeahah, yeah, yeah yeah, and it's all They
made this public in twenty thirteen because they kept on
getting gray smoke apparently in.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Two thousand and five. Apparently everyone's like.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It, yes, exactly, yeah, and it started off white and
then went black and everything, so they had to come
up with a new thing, and so they did. So
now it's all sorted and they've got two little furnaces,
so one that they burn the ballots and the other
one that they make the smoke in and then they
mix them and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
If I was going to be cynical like so, it's
not a great evert for the power of their Awn
Mighty who should have just done them, but they're having
to lean on science. But please don't be triggered people,
it's just a lighthearted remark.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
One last well, one last query from me. Anyway, how
would you feel if you voted for the wrong guy,
if your cardinal and you voted for the wrong guy,
because presumably you know him almighty up there is sort
of you know influence, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
All forgiving it all is forgiven. You just repent on
you and.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You would you not sort of had a little crisis
of confidence thinking, oh, you know, I didn't vote for
the one.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
That I wonder if he can return home to his
brothers to catch up for dinner and stuff, because it
just it was just who's coming from the pope? I mean,
it's it just seems normally they've seen slightly removed because
they've often been from the Italian and the Pope Francis
was Argentinia, but they weren't, but they were, they weren't American.
(14:32):
You know, it does seem makes the pope seem a
bit closer to home that when he happens his mouth,
he's got an American accent, which does feel like, oh,
you know, and your brother's going, yeah, they did live.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
In Peru for a long time and he speaks really
good Spanish.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yes, well, one would hope. So if you've lived, be
a bit of a bummer if you couldn't. Anyway, Look,
I wish him all the best and Leo the fourteenth.
It means you have to practice your Roman numerals as well.
Right now, onto your topic topic We'm going to throw
to you again to start with Irene. So Trump has
proposed one hundred percent tariff on films. Look, I don't
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know what's going to happen. But he's talking about Hollywood
dying a very fast death due to the incentives other
countries are using to attract American filmmakers. Of course, he
could always offer incentives for Hollywood to be in Hollywood,
but that would seem a strange. But are you worried
about this?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
It definitely caused some worry in my industry because New Zealand, sorry,
American productions working in New Zealand, be it shooting here
or doing post production here. We've got very specialist digital
effects company and Wetter you know, that's a huge part
of our screen ecosystem and economy, and so New Zealand
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would lose money out of it, but we as an
industry would lose employment and training and all of those things.
The announcement, because it was initially made on social media,
it was quite confusing because the problem he seemed to
want to solve was that there was a slump in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And but then he.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Talked about non American films. Well, a non American film
is a film like you know, Tina, and so what
that can't go to America. That's not I don't think
what he meant. I think he meant American films shooting here,
which actually are American films, So it was all very confusing. Anyway,
since then, he's walked it back quite a bit and
he said that he's going to meet with studios and
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so on and so forth, and the big studios. They
don't just come to New Zealand or whatever country because
of the incentives, because all countries have in centers, and
New Zealand's on about the mid range of our amounts.
You know, they shoot where they want to shoot because
of the crew.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
The landscape filmed on location is a big deal for
the films, and there's co productions and all sort of
sorts of things.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
So it really would have been quite unworkable what he
was trying to do, and there would be other ways
to fix the problem of what he's worried about about
Hollywood and LA. I mean, you know, there's obvious reasons
why Ala has been dying as a location because it
went through the pandemic, the stride, the fires. But you know,
they can do things to fix that. So I'm hoping
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it kind of modifies or goes away because it could
hurt us. And you know, it's really tough at the
moment because the domestic side of the industry is really
challenging at the moment, and you kind of need both
bits that the international and the do stick to be
strong and feed each other. It's an ecosystem, and we
don't know where he's going to get to with it.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
We really don't.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And I was trying I did a lot of media
on it earlier in the week, and I was trying
to sort of say that of, look, look's just not
panic because we don't really know where he's heading with it.
It does, though, and you know, we beat this drum
because a lot of our producer members, you know, make
local content. It does show you the importance of trying
to keep the domestic industry strong because there are always
vagaries with the international bit, and so if you can
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keep domestic strong, that is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You've got to take on this alum.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I'm astonished that he's actually sort of coming to
the defense of Hollywood. Why why why why? Because Hollywood's
full of leftists.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
You know, three, he's got three that he he's.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Got his three that he loves. Yes, there his panel. Yeah,
and you know who else have you who? You know?
Name me a right wing movie star. That's you know, I.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Never thought of that.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Actually, just said, we've got Kevin Sobo, you know, and
we've got Stephen Sigal who's sitting with Putin at the
May Day Parade and everything. And it just amazes me
that this, this viper's nest of leftists is now being
you know, Trump's taking an interest in it. And it
just astonishes me.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I wonder where he got the idea from, because when.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We were doing from them, those three guys.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I didn't get it from them because because there was
another idea that was suggested. This is not something we
put put up for you guys to discuss this three,
but you might have. He wanted he wants, you know
how he wanted to reopen Alcatraz. He's talked about that
and he as part of his description, he talked about,
you know, there was this you know, it's difficult to escape,
and you all know the story of the the you know,
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there was a some clothing washed up on the beach.
It was bloodstain and had sharks bike marks, and he
referred to that as if it was real. But that
fact only comes from the movie with Clintie would escape
from Antitraz, which had been showing in Palm Beach the
day or two before, so it looked like he was
watching going I mean, it would probably be better if
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you turn that into a casino.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
But yeah, so he watches that film and the next thing,
you know, he's talking about Elktraz and Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah so of.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Course you know, same city. Yeah, absolutely, How is this
going to be actioned? You know, I don't get this
because I can see tariffs on things made and being
imported into USA, but you're not really talking about not
really a physical tangible thing when you're talking about movies.
So what they're just going to double the ticket prices
or what.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That's why it was difficult talking about it this week
because nobody knows.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, my prediction, I don't think it's actually going to come.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
To pass because it's kind I'm really hoping it.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
As I said, the proof of the pudding is in
the eating, but I think the rest of me is
going to be a little bit too comple. We're going
to be back in a moment. This is the panel
on the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
It's twenty six past three.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Show. Ah, Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. A
little bit of the boss. He's I sent to it.
I'm Tim Beverages. This is the panel and my panelists
are allan blackman. He is an aut science researcher in chemistry.
Obviously at aut I was about to say at where
well at aut and Irene Gardner, producer and journalist and
president of Sparta Screen Producers and Darling's Association, as we've
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decided that should stand here.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
He might executive direct to that.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I think that's I think you need to throw that
one at now.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I'm board born to run best used of best use
of a glockenspiel in rock music and spiel.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It is absolutely I'm going to I'm going to throw
I'm going to just cast my mind into some other
good uses of block and spin my throat back at
you at some stage. But I just can't say generally,
was a bit of a king of the block, the
boss of the blark. Okay, right on to look at
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these are awkward topics because but this is the pay
equity changes. So just that they had a day and
a bit of debate and the government has under urgency
that made this change to the payer quality Laws, which
has been voted through Parliament I here's just before I
throw it to you, both of you guys to put
me in my place. I watched the debates and I
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just all I saw was a lot of emotion and anger.
And I couldn't have told you exactly what the government
had done because it got sort of the whole thing
got swamped by anger. And this is an attack on
women and things like that, and I'm not sure it is,
although I think it's a very difficult issue to work
out pay equity. Was that you giving me a little
glimpse over your glasses? Their irange? What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I was giving you the evil eye?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Were you? I thought you were just Oh, okay, I'm
going to refile that. Look, okay, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well, funnily enough to being a woman? Yeah, I think
this is terrible and I think you'll find that most
women think that. And it's a very strange thing for
a government to do, because do they want the women
to vote for them? Now, I know what you're going
to say. You can say, oh, but this nuance and
there's reasons, and there's this, and there's that, And to
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be fair, I think Nichola Willis and Brook Vandervelden were
going to try and explain that, but then their colleague
David Seymour said, oh, this is brilliant if you balance
the budget. Well, I'm sorry, but paying the men zero
would also balance the budget. Having no health would balance
the budget, having no education would balance the budget. Okay,
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so no, we won't be picking on the women and
the lower jobs, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
See you see, I don't think it's I think that
what okay here it is, pay equity to me is
about people doing I think it's very difficult to compare
industries and to say, look, look, I don't know, want
to use the cliche ones they've rolled out, like people
being contrapped, you know, one industry being compared with traffic
controllers and stuff. I think that the first issue on
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pay equity is women with the same quality, qualification experience
within the same industry getting treated differently because they're women.
And I think we've moved on.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
But that's illegal, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Well, yes, I agree, but I think those are the.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Issues that doesn't still happen.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And also the broad the breadth of what could I
think that the legislation had got bogged down because it's
so broad that let enable so many claims and I
just don't know. I mean, there are certain industries that
we know are underpaid, but I don't know if you
need to use the women argument to solve those. What
solves those arguments is looking over seas and c why
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we're hemorrhaging nurses to Australia and thinking are we paying
them enough? And I don't you don't think. I don't
think it's helped by saying nurses do the same job
as I don't know what they compare it to, and
it doesn't rule out that these issues can be solved.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I think you're leaving out that those professions have historically
been dominated by women and that's what's mucked up the equity.
And look, I know what you're trying to say.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm married to a teacher. I'd love to hear to
get more money.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I know what you're trying to say. And you know,
had they been given a bit more of a chance,
Ministers Willis and Van Velden might have managed to explain
some of these things too. But honestly, when it came
you know, the words came out, well, this is balanced.
The budget that was.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Arranging that was a terrible bit of that was a
stupid thing from to.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Say came out anymore. And when you can balance the budget.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I sweat well. Okay, so you could also balance the
budget by look at the overvalued jobs? Okay, So exactly
why why And I still cannot fathom this. Why is
anybody in the public service paid more than the prime minister?
I mean, surely the Prime minister is that I was
just a job in the country.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I must say, I don't quite get that. I mean
we are going to get away from the issue in
a way. But for instance, the police commissioner gets seven
hundred thousand a year and as.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
A and the vcs at the universities get you know,
they get more than the PM.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Are you unline to be a vc one day?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
By the way, but why why are these people valued
more than the prime minister? I just don't get it.
So you could save oh you could save a hell
of a lot of money in the public service by
doing that, So you know, that's another way of looking
at it. And look, the whole thing being done under urgency.
It just stanks, doesn't that they've It says that they've
got something to hide if they didn't have anything to hide.
(25:55):
They would have put it out to select committee and
still would have done it in the air. It wouldn't
have made a blid bit of difference.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
By the way, here's a count. Here's another point where
label we're getting all in a high dudgeon about it.
Labor passed laws and didn't fund didn't put any funding
in to pay for the changes that they were bringing out,
which has also been introduced by National By the way,
so Labor again say here's something we didn't budget for
and now you're changing it. Boohoo.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I just the you know, the thing is I reckon
if you ask the average in New Zealander who watched
the news, what are they actually changing and where's the
legislation at no one would have a clue because it's
all anger and tears at the moment. And I think
that the politicians. I think it's been argued probably from
both sides quite dishonestly. So I still don't know what
it's about. Absolutely saying this is an attack on all women.
(26:46):
No it's not. It's they're still going like it. Yes
it feels like it. But in the end, what do
we is legislation about feelings or is it about getting
it right? And if the legislation is too broad and
they're still allowing settlements straight.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
That to us and they haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And because the news shows people shouting from the raptors, yeah, yeah,
And I mean this is obviously ACT. I would say,
this isn't anything to do with national I reckon, this
is ACT pushing this.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
And you know, I take what you're trying to say
to him, you know, hasn't fully explaining you has been
some emotional I understand why there's emotional, but I have
she has read some quite strong academic arguments and things
on it, and you know, one of the arguments is
actually keeping people in these jobs, largely women, keeping them
lowly paid is not good for the economy. You know,
(27:35):
keeping people in poverty is not good for an economy.
So I I, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, I think a lot this is the thing. I
think it's been badly handled but appallingly. But also I
think that the coverage of it has left me none
the wiser apart from seeing lots of hurt feelings.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
And it's not something that was sort of said in
the election campaign or anything like that. Just came out
of the blue, didn't it. And Winston's been very quiet
on this' he hasn't has he profited an opinion on this?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Maybe it's called keeping your head down?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Well, I mean, you know, do you want half the
population not to.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Vote for you?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Exactly? I think this is a it. I don't buy
that it's half the population. I think there are I
think there are plenty of women who don't, who aren't.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
As enraged about this is nothing but a vote loser.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You watch, you see. It'll be interesting to see if
they do deliver a budget that makes people go, well,
this is good news. I don't know how it goes.
I mean I could refer to the text of a
few people saying, as a professional women, I totally disagree
with your guests. I mean that's one person, of course,
but there's only three of us here. Anyway, Okay, we'll
take a break. We'll come back in the moment. Of course.
(28:46):
We spent way too long on that. Time is flying.
It's twenty two minutes to four. Yes's welcome back to
the Weekend Collective on Tim Beverage. This is the panel.
Iren Gardner and Alan Blackman are still talking to me.
After the last after the last topic. Anyway, we're going
(29:07):
to talk about the Now Mark Lundy's been released after
twenty three years, he's still denying that he has murdered
his wife and daughter. It look that look the simple
question is the Herald took some photos of him. Should
he just be left alone? What do you reckon, Allen?
Or do you think he murdered someone? I don't care
how uncomfortable life has to take as many as pictures
(29:28):
as you like.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Oh no, just leave him alone? Really, I mean, is
there a public interest in getting a photo of him? Really?
I can't see it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
The public interest thing about in journalist which pops up
is always so very broadly favoredn't I tend to, you know.
I think it's more why do we want to see
photos of him? Why do they? But of course people
who will want to click on a photo and people
are curious. Irene, what do you think? You know?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yeah, I mean he has done his time and he
should be left alone, I think in general. But on
the other hand, you know, I mean, I don't think
it's that terrible of the Herald to do a photo
of them. Yeah, I mean, I would hope he's not
you know, it's a little bit of a one off,
and maybe he does an interview and then we.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Just know he can't do any interviews. He's been banned
from talking to the media, he can't go on social media,
he can't access dating or sites or anything. So he's
basically got it. He's out to live his life as
if it's nineteen seventy. Wow, I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Leaving to it anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It does. It's interesting to see whether where the other
people who are guilty of other offenses, who are unrepentant.
And I did see something about the Sounds killer Watson,
Scott Watson, and I did notice that he's actually up
for a parole hearing. There was one that was postponed,
and I was thinka, well, he's been for twenty six years.
(30:50):
But I gather that the profiles by the psychologists not
as friendly as they might have been towards Lundon.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah, it is very difficult that thing of you know,
some of the people who are protesting their innocence will
genuinely be exactly as they won't admit that they then
can't have It's a kind of a weird catch twenty two.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I mean, I have no idea in these cases, but
you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Well watch the space by the way, and I know
it's not slated for discussion, but I love that mushroom
case in Australia and we can't really speculate too much.
But even though it's we will, I don't think it's
looking good for us.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Oh I think she did it.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I do.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, it's all it's all too weird.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, it's a beautiful. Here's the reason I mentioned it
is I'm surprised that because we had the Polkinghorn trial
day after day after day after day, and we actually
aren't getting as much of that coverage. I would love
to see that on the news, a daily update every
evening at six o'clock.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I know, but it is great.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I mean, it is a fascinating case because it's light.
I mean the same with Pokinghorn that they're like that
they're in that realm with their light fiction.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You know, they're like And the polking Horn thing is
why they're taking photos of Mark Lundy because everybody was
transfixed about that. Everyone's watching the news and everything, you know,
every damn day we get it and we all love
a god who done it.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I didn't guess starn't with Now this isn't your ballpark, Allen,
What did you think of the story about Victoria University?
So the two third year classes, I think it's ethics
and one other papers where they're having to basically because
they're concerned about AI and the people having laptops and
(32:33):
exams and of course they don't control all the access
to the internet, so basically saying you have to write
it by hand. The one thing that came to mind
with me was this generation of students would have terrible handwriting,
wouldn't they.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
A yes, yes, I just marked some tests yesterday and
have a hard time reading them. You know, when they
write their names, for goodness sake, it's hard enough to
decipher them half the time. But I'm a big, big, big,
big believer in pen and paper. There's nothing wrong with that,
and as simple as that, they should just suck it up.
I'm sorry and right for three hours until your hand
(33:08):
drops off, and if it does, that means you've written
a good exam. Basically, unless it's.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
All wrong.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
And your hands still drops off.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
This whole AI thing, I am just dead against it.
I still haven't heard a decent argument for utilizing AI
and education. I just I went, I went, okay, So
I went to a talk by a proponent and she said, oh,
you know, so that they're doing essays and stuff like that,
I'm not marking the spelling or grammar anymore because it
should be perfect o MG. Come on, so you know
(33:40):
we're we're going to end up being functionally illiterate when
it comes to sort of the English language. I think
it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I think it's extraordinarily well as social media isn't contributing
to a linguistic sort of problems as well. And what
do you reckon, Irene.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
It's a very long time since I did exams. Tim
me too, and I wasn't sure when I was reading
up about the story how long it had been that
had you know, had been more normal to not handwrite exams.
And your lovely producer, who is somewhat closer to her
academic days than I am, says, it's not really that
long since people were still handwriting. So while we get
(34:17):
through them, I mean, this is just Victoria saying they
just need to get to it, but where they can
work out whether people are cheating with AI or not,
and they need to revert for a while.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I wonder that's funny that it's just these two exams.
Why not every exam.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Because some exams don't really lend themselves to using computers. Like,
for example, if you've got to draw diagrams or stuff
like that, which you do absolutely in chemistry, it's a
head of site cricket to draw them by hand than
to pull up the software and do this thing lah
blah blah blah. So you know, some lend themselves to it.
In some numerical ones. For example, again, you know, if
you're doing lots of calculations and stuff like that, it's
(34:52):
way easier to just write them out with that pen
and paper rather than doing it, you know, on computer.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
So actually, I keep on when I think of exams.
I still remember the best mark I've ever got an
exam was there was a a guy who was an
older student. He'd had a pH d in classical Greek,
I think, or something in any He was one of
the students in this exam, but ages ago he had
requested his He always got a's, and I asked for
his if I can have a look at what has
(35:20):
exam papers looked like, and his were probably a half
or a third the length of conventional answers. He was
really concise. He would write sentence point, sentence point, sentence point.
And I tried it in one in the one exam
up where I had the benefit of that knowledge, and
I wrote as concisely as I could. When I thought
(35:41):
I've almost short changed everything, and I got it was
was the first time I got to like an A.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It's that like that old philosophy exam question, is this
a question? And then somebody wrote, if it is, then
this is the answer.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
They probably want you to flesh it out. They probably
they probably concise flesh it out for me. Actually, what's
your hand what was your You had written notes today?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I have? Yeah, everyone always comments on It's obviously a
rare thing because whenever I make notes, everyone comments on them.
And so you know.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
The other thing about AI, just getting back to that
sort of thing, is I'm learning to French using an
app and it does say that you should write down
every new lesson, and there is something about the process
of handwriting. It commits things and to them, as opposed
to relying on AI to sort of do it in
the background.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I'm with you, nod, You're absolutely right, that's the way
I learn as well. You write stuff down.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I'm learning today, Mary and all my I've got all
my notebooks as I learn words or Henry.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You doing it on computer or on app or no.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
When I listen to podcasts and I do books and things.
But mostly, you know, I've just got all my VOK
written in a little notebook and I'm just constantly revising
because what I find is it when I learn something,
it falls off of my head. Again, God, I tell
you what.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
French at the moment and there's a phrase come up
there like what is that again? It's like I'm like, okay,
I'm going to been told ten times anyway, should have
written it down. Anyway. We'll be back in just a moment.
We're going to have a chat about well, well let's
wait and see. But Lord's coming on a world tour
and she has snubbed New Zealand and we'll see how
much we care about that. Eight hundred not no, eight hundred.
(37:14):
I'm going to be asking these two hear you can't
call it's ten to fourp yes, welcome back. This is
the panel with Irene Gardner and Alan Blackman. And actually,
before we get to Lord snubbing New Zealand, which is
probably not the most in depth complex topic at all.
To get into the National Party's proposed ban on social
media for the under sixteen. Now, it's a bill that's
been put in because it doesn't have the support obviously
(37:35):
with the other coalition partners, so they can't make it
a government bill, so it's going to go into the biscuit.
Tin but Catherine where the National mp it's would restrict
access to social media for under sixteen by making the
media companies themselves have to verify that someone is over sixteen. Now,
there's probably some mechanics issue, but the broad question is
do you think it's a good idea to restrict social
(37:57):
media the under sixteen? I am a yes please Irene
yes two.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I think yeah, I've I'm a yes, but I'm still
not quite sure how you'd actually do it.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Well, Australia is having a crack at it, so I
think what we do as we look at what they're doing,
is going is it working? Let's do it for them?
Because you remember people remember when they said you can't
ban phones in school and that's not a good idea
and everyone's going hallelujah, Yeah, what do you think Again,
I I just.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Don't know how they're going to do it. Lot, who's
the most techs heavy.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Pomber of the household?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, it's always the kids, aren't they. They know how
to use all these things and so therefore they're going
to find ways around this. So yes, look it's commendable. Yes,
something probably needs to be done, but I don't know how,
and I'm not sure that this big old blanket band
is going to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
But here, here's here's my argument. Okay, back when I
was growing up, it was you know, when I was thirteen,
you wasn't illegal. It wasn't legal to go and see
an R sixteen movie. And I probably managed to sneak in. Okay,
I definitely managed to sneak in. But the fact is
it was against the law, and most kids didn't do it.
So there's all sorts of things that are against the law.
(39:05):
Guess what, laws are broken all the time. But you
set the framework which means for parents to say, look,
you can't, I don't want you having a social media account,
as opposed to well all of my friends have got one.
Now you've got that. This is the time. I think
there is a legislative support for what parents probably want.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
So again, why not make this a conscience vote? Are
they a national not actually allowed to propose a piece
of legislation of Act and the New Zealand first don't agree.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I gather that the government can put bills in and
the government is the coalition government and ACT hasn't supported this,
so it has to go into the biscuit. Tin Labor
have indicated they might support it, so but yeah, because
it's not a government bill, it has to go in
with all the other poplars.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Honestly, no, no, no, no, this is the tail wagging
the dog again.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Well, if you'd like to vote, m MP.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Out, Well, I didn't vote for it. The post, Well,
I didn't vote for I think I voted for his TV.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
We've got one gone on a tangent.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Sorry, I got my you you didn't hear V. I
know I heard TD that dodgy student thing from the seventies. Anyway, Hey, look,
we can't even talk about Lord not snubbing New Zealand,
so you just have to go and read about it yourself.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
But she's not snubbing. She's coming later anyway.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Anyway, I hate lovely to see Irene Allen. Great to
have you on the show. Thank you for coming up.
We can get you back again cool. Was it okay
with you? Not too paid?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Absolutely great?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Well done? Okay right. The one roof of Property Radio
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somebody's got to be forty five. We're gonna ask us,
is this are we going to see more of this?
Is this something that would appeal to you? Of course
I sometimes think that with the forty five they sort
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of think they're ruling out the first time bars. But
these days it takes you to till you about forty
five to save your deposit. Anyway, after five o'clock, John
Howe joins us, we're going to have a chat about
the National Party's proposed ban on social media for the
under sixteens and more broadly speaking, and which issues do
we as parents do actually want the government to actually
create a rule so we can say, look, it's not
(02:20):
just me, it's actually against the law. You can probably
get I guess my view on that, I'd love them
to ban this a social media under sixteens. But anyway,
we might talk about that a little bit on the
panel if we are of a mind too and anyway,
but also by the way, after before six o'clock will
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Obviously that's my nickname because he sounds exactly the same,
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Speaker 1 (02:49):
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Speaker 3 (02:56):
B Yes, And we have a new panelist today which
almost needs a drum roll that I haven't told my
producer i'd like a drum roll. Oh my god, she's
got the drum roll a high timpany. Thank you, Tarah,
well done. You were on fire today. And he is
an aut science researcher and chemistry of all things. I
don't know why I say of all things, probably because
(03:17):
I always sucked at chemistry and never understood it despite
passing it. And his name is Alan Blackman. Alan, how
are you going.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Hey, Tim, I am great, Yeah, thrilled to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Good, thank you for joining us. Actually, how long? So
are you you lecturer in chemistry? And is that tell
us a little bit about yourself just before we'll find
out more as you offer your obnoxious opinions.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I'm a chemistry professor and I love music.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
How's that? Oh? Okay, big, big music buff?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Really yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah? In terms of music, buff, have you dabbled in
it outside of the outside of non professional sort of world.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I've used to playing a band and you know stuff
like that?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Really what what instrument?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Keyboards? And keyboards did all my grades? And that was
your choice? By the way, it was lane greatest song, really,
greatest song. Why brings tears to the eyes? I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Is it just something about the melody and heard it
since I was a kid, and it's magnificent, lovely. Hey, Well,
thanks for joining us. Great too, great to catch up
to meet and joining him alongside? Is she is? She's
got Actually quite a lot of occupations we could we
could list alongside, which sounds quite questionable now I put
(04:31):
it that way, but no, I just mean, there's so
many things we could pick from all legit. By the way,
that sounded like I was suggesting she had some sort
of some sort of mischievous background. But no, she's been
the producer, a journalist, a producer. She's president of SPARTA,
which is the screen unites that screen production thing and
and I can't remember what it stands for. Me Irene Gardner.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Allen gets a drum roll.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I wasn't expecting the drum roll, because funny thing is
she must have paid that earlier, because I remember the
last time had a new guest, I thought, oh, we
need a drum roll, and so Tyra obviously put it
on here to do list. How are you?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What does SPARTA stand for again?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
No, this is the problem. It doesn't actually stand for
anything anymore, and so we just say the New Zealand's
Green Producers Guild SPARTA.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
What it used to stand for the Academy of Dramatic Artists.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
So it used to be these Green Producers and Directors Association,
but the directors ran away, but by then everyone called
us SPATA.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It could just be spark, so we.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Kept calling ourselves Sparta. But it really confuses people because
we're not really anything.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You could be well, I mean people in the arts
are fairly they're fairly colorful people. You could say that
Screen Producers and Darlings Association.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
See that's quite good. For a while, we tried Screen
Production and Development Association, but they're just confused people. So okay,
we're just the screen producers good, and we're just called.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I'm glad you're here today, not just because you're a
ray of sunshine in the studio, but because we've got
a topic which I think you're going to you're going
to be well informed on and will help us with
our opinions. Anyway, Hey, now let's kick it off. So
the new pope has been announced and it's Robert Prevost.
He is going to be Louis Leo, not Louis French
(06:17):
King Leo the fourteenth. And as I saw the doors
closed and I watched them walk around, and I thought,
oh god, I'm not really interested in all this pomp
and circumstance. And then I saw him come out and
greet the crowds, and there was a close up of
him and he looked genuinely moved and I and I
almost got you've almost got a feeling as opposed to
it being from a distance of how much it meant
(06:39):
to him, and then we learned a bit more about him.
And actually, regardless of whether we're religious, and I don't
know if any of us in this room are religious,
let's kick it off with you on this one, Irene.
What's your reaction to the new pope and it's his
role in the world.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
I mean, you know, as we were joking before, tim
as the daughter of Northern Irish Protestants, I do find
it slightly strange that I'm talking about the pope, But hey,
he seems to be a really good and decent human being.
He seems to be potentially quite a liberal pope, you know,
(07:15):
and as was the previous pope. Yeah, we've just Francis,
and so those things seem good to me. I got
the same feeling as you. He seemed very genuine and
moved as he came out. And you know, I'm kind
of intrigued by the fact that of all the institutions,
sort of feels a little bit like the Catholic Church,
which you'd think of as quite a conservative institution, is
(07:37):
the one that is taking a little push back and going,
let's have a really world prominent American who shows good
behavior as opposed to.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yes. I mean, I think that's more of a side
effect that he's going to be a possible a contrast
to Trump. And he has told J D vance Off
back when he was just just Bob, Bob prevos. I
don't know if you saw the news with his brother,
and I loved the clip of his brother going Bob
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and I actually thought that was I thought that was
just a lovely sort of human because for this your brother,
I've been quite surprising him. We're not religious but Catholic.
It was what.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You know, and him going on about the ironing table
or something, as he'd get up and sort of preach
behind the ironing table or something.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, you see, he was always he joked that he
was destined to be post Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah. So I my feeling is the fact that he's
American is definitely not an accident. And I think it's
you know, and they did it after what four votes,
I think, which is pretty quick, I would say. So
I think this is a reaction to Trump. I really do.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Wow, you're both you're both thinking the Cardinals were up
to a bit of political sort of.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I think the very political, but just humanity.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I think he can't divorce it from politics. I can
you unfortunately, But no, I take your point about the
whole humanity thing and everything. But okay, so I when
you're saying that, you know they're being a bit progressive
and everything. But you know, when are we going to
get the success at the pope Joan, that's my question?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Well, yes, I will to make your point. You know
that women still can't be the pope.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
No, well yeah, yes I did. I mean you can't
have but notice it all it's all guys. And I
was thinking, well, I guess that's just that is the
way it isn't to be Catholics. So I'm not religious.
I'm assuming that none of us are religious, and the
Catholics might be listening game where you should just stick
to your corner. But I think there is the interesting
thing about what Francis did. I think he raised the
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sort of profile of the pope, the role of the
pope two people who were also not Catholic, and I
think I look at the way that the papacy has
gone and it does seem that I think they have
got an important role to play in global thing in
a way as a messenger of and some people who
can talk about, I don't know, broader concepts that don't
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have to play politics as ruthlessly. Do you think the
pope has an important role play, Alan.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, you're talking about Francis. You know, he had a
master's degree in chemistry, so you know he's a good Yes,
he did, yes, Okay, Yeah, and the current one's got
a degree in mathematics.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So there we go where you know, we're getting into
the twenty first century with the Catholic Jews. This is good.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
What do you reckon in terms of the role of
the papacy and global affairs?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
That's what I was looking Yeah, I think you're right term,
I think it has become and I think Pope Francis
was a lot of that. And I think for the
new pope, Pope Leo, the one, even though Francis was,
you know, generally accepted as a good and progressive probe,
he did sort of still have the last vestiges of
the child sex abuse scandals kind of still a little
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bit attached to him, whereas the new pope will come
in I think clean of that.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And well, there's some suggestions he didn't do enough when
he was in Chicago, which was two or three decades ago.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But anyway, so yeah, no, I think that is quite
and I think there's a kind of a sort of
a soft power thing with and it is interesting with
a personality like Donald Trump's, where he you know, he's
quite childlike in some ways and he sort of likes
ceremony and he likes famous people. And you know, there's
been talk that Britain's going to use Prince Charles a
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little bit more than they would ever have used the Queen,
you know, for that soft power thing, because Trump is
you know, a little and raptured with royalty, and so
I kind of feel like there might be a bit
of that.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Is there an irony here and that if that is
what you're is, if that is part of the case
that we're looking and you've just mentioned King Charles, Prince Charles,
you might have I still call him. The only reason
I called him King Charles is because when I was
listening to you thinking, I think she called him Prince
Charles after yet right too many years. But is that
we're looking at two unelected positions possibly having a voice
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to temper some of the impulses of But he was
democratically elected. There is kind of an irony.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Isn't there. I was reading online just before and somebody
saying that the Vatican are going to be free of
tariffs because the Pope was made in America, so oh.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, possibly imagine if they added tariffs. I'm tithing and anyway, look,
I would say that I'm reasonably optimistic that he's going
to be another He's going to make another positive contribution.
And somebody's texted I think was worth throwing this into
it. It says it says, I don't think that the pope
is a reaction to Trump. I think that this pope
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is a reaction to Pope Francis.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And I mean to be fair, Yeah, yeah, yeah, point taken.
But I think, yeah, I still thoughtful Trump's in the mix.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Now, yeah, I knew there was a reason. We've got
a chemist in here. Now. Do you know what the
chemical reaction is that they rely on to have the
white smoke and.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
The black black spoke?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Ones potassium per per magnate and the other one is
potassium law eight, which is we believe, And the white
smoke is with sulfur and the black smoke's with anthraccene.
So really yeahah, yeah, yeah yeah, and it's all They
made this public in twenty thirteen because they kept on
getting gray smoke apparently in.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Two thousand and five. Apparently everyone's like.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It, yes, exactly, yeah, and it started off white and
then went black and everything, so they had to come
up with a new thing, and so they did. So
now it's all sorted and they've got two little furnaces,
so one that they burn the ballots and the other
one that they make the smoke in and then they
mix them and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
If I was going to be cynical like so, it's
not a great evert for the power of their Awn
Mighty who should have just done them, but they're having
to lean on science. But please don't be triggered people,
it's just a lighthearted remark.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
One last well, one last query from me. Anyway, how
would you feel if you voted for the wrong guy,
if your cardinal and you voted for the wrong guy,
because presumably you know him almighty up there is sort
of you know influence, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
All forgiving it all is forgiven. You just repent on
you and.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You would you not sort of had a little crisis
of confidence thinking, oh, you know, I didn't vote for
the one.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
That I wonder if he can return home to his
brothers to catch up for dinner and stuff, because it
just it was just who's coming from the pope? I mean,
it's it just seems normally they've seen slightly removed because
they've often been from the Italian and the Pope Francis
was Argentinia, but they weren't, but they were, they weren't American.
(14:32):
You know, it does seem makes the pope seem a
bit closer to home that when he happens his mouth,
he's got an American accent, which does feel like, oh,
you know, and your brother's going, yeah, they did live.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
In Peru for a long time and he speaks really
good Spanish.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yes, well, one would hope. So if you've lived, be
a bit of a bummer if you couldn't. Anyway, Look,
I wish him all the best and Leo the fourteenth.
It means you have to practice your Roman numerals as well.
Right now, onto your topic topic We'm going to throw
to you again to start with Irene. So Trump has
proposed one hundred percent tariff on films. Look, I don't
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know what's going to happen. But he's talking about Hollywood
dying a very fast death due to the incentives other
countries are using to attract American filmmakers. Of course, he
could always offer incentives for Hollywood to be in Hollywood,
but that would seem a strange. But are you worried
about this?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
It definitely caused some worry in my industry because New Zealand, sorry,
American productions working in New Zealand, be it shooting here
or doing post production here. We've got very specialist digital
effects company and Wetter you know, that's a huge part
of our screen ecosystem and economy, and so New Zealand
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would lose money out of it, but we as an
industry would lose employment and training and all of those things.
The announcement, because it was initially made on social media,
it was quite confusing because the problem he seemed to
want to solve was that there was a slump in Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And but then he.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Talked about non American films. Well, a non American film
is a film like you know, Tina, and so what
that can't go to America. That's not I don't think
what he meant. I think he meant American films shooting here,
which actually are American films, So it was all very confusing. Anyway,
since then, he's walked it back quite a bit and
he said that he's going to meet with studios and
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so on and so forth, and the big studios. They
don't just come to New Zealand or whatever country because
of the incentives, because all countries have in centers, and
New Zealand's on about the mid range of our amounts.
You know, they shoot where they want to shoot because
of the crew.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
The landscape filmed on location is a big deal for
the films, and there's co productions and all sort of
sorts of things.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
So it really would have been quite unworkable what he
was trying to do, and there would be other ways
to fix the problem of what he's worried about about
Hollywood and LA. I mean, you know, there's obvious reasons
why Ala has been dying as a location because it
went through the pandemic, the stride, the fires. But you know,
they can do things to fix that. So I'm hoping
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it kind of modifies or goes away because it could
hurt us. And you know, it's really tough at the
moment because the domestic side of the industry is really
challenging at the moment, and you kind of need both
bits that the international and the do stick to be
strong and feed each other. It's an ecosystem, and we
don't know where he's going to get to with it.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
We really don't.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And I was trying I did a lot of media
on it earlier in the week, and I was trying
to sort of say that of, look, look's just not
panic because we don't really know where he's heading with it.
It does, though, and you know, we beat this drum
because a lot of our producer members, you know, make
local content. It does show you the importance of trying
to keep the domestic industry strong because there are always
vagaries with the international bit, and so if you can
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keep domestic strong, that is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You've got to take on this alum.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I'm astonished that he's actually sort of coming to
the defense of Hollywood. Why why why why? Because Hollywood's
full of leftists.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
You know, three, he's got three that he he's.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Got his three that he loves. Yes, there his panel. Yeah,
and you know who else have you who? You know?
Name me a right wing movie star. That's you know, I.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Never thought of that.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Actually, just said, we've got Kevin Sobo, you know, and
we've got Stephen Sigal who's sitting with Putin at the
May Day Parade and everything. And it just amazes me
that this, this viper's nest of leftists is now being
you know, Trump's taking an interest in it. And it
just astonishes me.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I wonder where he got the idea from, because when.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We were doing from them, those three guys.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I didn't get it from them because because there was
another idea that was suggested. This is not something we
put put up for you guys to discuss this three,
but you might have. He wanted he wants, you know
how he wanted to reopen Alcatraz. He's talked about that
and he as part of his description, he talked about,
you know, there was this you know, it's difficult to escape,
and you all know the story of the the you know,
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there was a some clothing washed up on the beach.
It was bloodstain and had sharks bike marks, and he
referred to that as if it was real. But that
fact only comes from the movie with Clintie would escape
from Antitraz, which had been showing in Palm Beach the
day or two before, so it looked like he was
watching going I mean, it would probably be better if
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you turn that into a casino.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
But yeah, so he watches that film and the next thing,
you know, he's talking about Elktraz and Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah so of.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Course you know, same city. Yeah, absolutely, How is this
going to be actioned? You know, I don't get this
because I can see tariffs on things made and being
imported into USA, but you're not really talking about not
really a physical tangible thing when you're talking about movies.
So what they're just going to double the ticket prices
or what.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That's why it was difficult talking about it this week
because nobody knows.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, my prediction, I don't think it's actually going to come.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
To pass because it's kind I'm really hoping it.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
As I said, the proof of the pudding is in
the eating, but I think the rest of me is
going to be a little bit too comple. We're going
to be back in a moment. This is the panel
on the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
It's twenty six past three.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Show. Ah, Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. A
little bit of the boss. He's I sent to it.
I'm Tim Beverages. This is the panel and my panelists
are allan blackman. He is an aut science researcher in chemistry.
Obviously at aut I was about to say at where
well at aut and Irene Gardner, producer and journalist and
president of Sparta Screen Producers and Darling's Association, as we've
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decided that should stand here.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
He might executive direct to that.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I think that's I think you need to throw that
one at now.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I'm board born to run best used of best use
of a glockenspiel in rock music and spiel.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It is absolutely I'm going to I'm going to throw
I'm going to just cast my mind into some other
good uses of block and spin my throat back at
you at some stage. But I just can't say generally,
was a bit of a king of the block, the
boss of the blark. Okay, right on to look at
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these are awkward topics because but this is the pay
equity changes. So just that they had a day and
a bit of debate and the government has under urgency
that made this change to the payer quality Laws, which
has been voted through Parliament I here's just before I
throw it to you, both of you guys to put
me in my place. I watched the debates and I
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just all I saw was a lot of emotion and anger.
And I couldn't have told you exactly what the government
had done because it got sort of the whole thing
got swamped by anger. And this is an attack on
women and things like that, and I'm not sure it is,
although I think it's a very difficult issue to work
out pay equity. Was that you giving me a little
glimpse over your glasses? Their irange? What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I was giving you the evil eye?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Were you? I thought you were just Oh, okay, I'm
going to refile that. Look, okay, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well, funnily enough to being a woman? Yeah, I think
this is terrible and I think you'll find that most
women think that. And it's a very strange thing for
a government to do, because do they want the women
to vote for them? Now, I know what you're going
to say. You can say, oh, but this nuance and
there's reasons, and there's this, and there's that, And to
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be fair, I think Nichola Willis and Brook Vandervelden were
going to try and explain that, but then their colleague
David Seymour said, oh, this is brilliant if you balance
the budget. Well, I'm sorry, but paying the men zero
would also balance the budget. Having no health would balance
the budget, having no education would balance the budget. Okay,
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so no, we won't be picking on the women and
the lower jobs, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
See you see, I don't think it's I think that
what okay here it is, pay equity to me is
about people doing I think it's very difficult to compare
industries and to say, look, look, I don't know, want
to use the cliche ones they've rolled out, like people
being contrapped, you know, one industry being compared with traffic
controllers and stuff. I think that the first issue on
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pay equity is women with the same quality, qualification experience
within the same industry getting treated differently because they're women.
And I think we've moved on.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
But that's illegal, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Well, yes, I agree, but I think those are the.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Issues that doesn't still happen.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And also the broad the breadth of what could I
think that the legislation had got bogged down because it's
so broad that let enable so many claims and I
just don't know. I mean, there are certain industries that
we know are underpaid, but I don't know if you
need to use the women argument to solve those. What
solves those arguments is looking over seas and c why
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we're hemorrhaging nurses to Australia and thinking are we paying
them enough? And I don't you don't think. I don't
think it's helped by saying nurses do the same job
as I don't know what they compare it to, and
it doesn't rule out that these issues can be solved.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I think you're leaving out that those professions have historically
been dominated by women and that's what's mucked up the equity.
And look, I know what you're trying to say.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm married to a teacher. I'd love to hear to
get more money.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I know what you're trying to say. And you know,
had they been given a bit more of a chance,
Ministers Willis and Van Velden might have managed to explain
some of these things too. But honestly, when it came
you know, the words came out, well, this is balanced.
The budget that was.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Arranging that was a terrible bit of that was a
stupid thing from to.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Say came out anymore. And when you can balance the budget.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I sweat well. Okay, so you could also balance the
budget by look at the overvalued jobs? Okay, So exactly
why why And I still cannot fathom this. Why is
anybody in the public service paid more than the prime minister?
I mean, surely the Prime minister is that I was
just a job in the country.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I must say, I don't quite get that. I mean
we are going to get away from the issue in
a way. But for instance, the police commissioner gets seven
hundred thousand a year and as.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
A and the vcs at the universities get you know,
they get more than the PM.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Are you unline to be a vc one day?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
By the way, but why why are these people valued
more than the prime minister? I just don't get it.
So you could save oh you could save a hell
of a lot of money in the public service by
doing that, So you know, that's another way of looking
at it. And look, the whole thing being done under urgency.
It just stanks, doesn't that they've It says that they've
got something to hide if they didn't have anything to hide.
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They would have put it out to select committee and
still would have done it in the air. It wouldn't
have made a blid bit of difference.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
By the way, here's a count. Here's another point where
label we're getting all in a high dudgeon about it.
Labor passed laws and didn't fund didn't put any funding
in to pay for the changes that they were bringing out,
which has also been introduced by National By the way,
so Labor again say here's something we didn't budget for
and now you're changing it. Boohoo.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I just the you know, the thing is I reckon
if you ask the average in New Zealander who watched
the news, what are they actually changing and where's the
legislation at no one would have a clue because it's
all anger and tears at the moment. And I think
that the politicians. I think it's been argued probably from
both sides quite dishonestly. So I still don't know what
it's about. Absolutely saying this is an attack on all women.
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No it's not. It's they're still going like it. Yes
it feels like it. But in the end, what do
we is legislation about feelings or is it about getting
it right? And if the legislation is too broad and
they're still allowing settlements straight.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
That to us and they haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And because the news shows people shouting from the raptors, yeah, yeah,
And I mean this is obviously ACT. I would say,
this isn't anything to do with national I reckon, this
is ACT pushing this.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
And you know, I take what you're trying to say
to him, you know, hasn't fully explaining you has been
some emotional I understand why there's emotional, but I have
she has read some quite strong academic arguments and things
on it, and you know, one of the arguments is
actually keeping people in these jobs, largely women, keeping them
lowly paid is not good for the economy. You know,
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keeping people in poverty is not good for an economy.
So I I, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, I think a lot this is the thing. I
think it's been badly handled but appallingly. But also I
think that the coverage of it has left me none
the wiser apart from seeing lots of hurt feelings.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
And it's not something that was sort of said in
the election campaign or anything like that. Just came out
of the blue, didn't it. And Winston's been very quiet
on this' he hasn't has he profited an opinion on this?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Maybe it's called keeping your head down?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Well, I mean, you know, do you want half the
population not to.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Vote for you?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Exactly? I think this is a it. I don't buy
that it's half the population. I think there are I
think there are plenty of women who don't, who aren't.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
As enraged about this is nothing but a vote loser.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You watch, you see. It'll be interesting to see if
they do deliver a budget that makes people go, well,
this is good news. I don't know how it goes.
I mean I could refer to the text of a
few people saying, as a professional women, I totally disagree
with your guests. I mean that's one person, of course,
but there's only three of us here. Anyway, Okay, we'll
take a break. We'll come back in the moment. Of course.
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We spent way too long on that. Time is flying.
It's twenty two minutes to four. Yes's welcome back to
the Weekend Collective on Tim Beverage. This is the panel.
Iren Gardner and Alan Blackman are still talking to me.
After the last after the last topic. Anyway, we're going
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to talk about the Now Mark Lundy's been released after
twenty three years, he's still denying that he has murdered
his wife and daughter. It look that look the simple
question is the Herald took some photos of him. Should
he just be left alone? What do you reckon, Allen?
Or do you think he murdered someone? I don't care
how uncomfortable life has to take as many as pictures
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as you like.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Oh no, just leave him alone? Really, I mean, is
there a public interest in getting a photo of him? Really?
I can't see it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
The public interest thing about in journalist which pops up
is always so very broadly favoredn't I tend to, you know.
I think it's more why do we want to see
photos of him? Why do they? But of course people
who will want to click on a photo and people
are curious. Irene, what do you think? You know?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yeah, I mean he has done his time and he
should be left alone, I think in general. But on
the other hand, you know, I mean, I don't think
it's that terrible of the Herald to do a photo
of them. Yeah, I mean, I would hope he's not
you know, it's a little bit of a one off,
and maybe he does an interview and then we.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Just know he can't do any interviews. He's been banned
from talking to the media, he can't go on social media,
he can't access dating or sites or anything. So he's
basically got it. He's out to live his life as
if it's nineteen seventy. Wow, I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Leaving to it anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
It does. It's interesting to see whether where the other
people who are guilty of other offenses, who are unrepentant.
And I did see something about the Sounds killer Watson,
Scott Watson, and I did notice that he's actually up
for a parole hearing. There was one that was postponed,
and I was thinka, well, he's been for twenty six years.
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But I gather that the profiles by the psychologists not
as friendly as they might have been towards Lundon.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah, it is very difficult that thing of you know,
some of the people who are protesting their innocence will
genuinely be exactly as they won't admit that they then
can't have It's a kind of a weird catch twenty two.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I mean, I have no idea in these cases, but
you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Well watch the space by the way, and I know
it's not slated for discussion, but I love that mushroom
case in Australia and we can't really speculate too much.
But even though it's we will, I don't think it's
looking good for us.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Oh I think she did it.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I do.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, it's all it's all too weird.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, it's a beautiful. Here's the reason I mentioned it
is I'm surprised that because we had the Polkinghorn trial
day after day after day after day, and we actually
aren't getting as much of that coverage. I would love
to see that on the news, a daily update every
evening at six o'clock.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I know, but it is great.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I mean, it is a fascinating case because it's light.
I mean the same with Pokinghorn that they're like that
they're in that realm with their light fiction.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You know, they're like And the polking Horn thing is
why they're taking photos of Mark Lundy because everybody was
transfixed about that. Everyone's watching the news and everything, you know,
every damn day we get it and we all love
a god who done it.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I didn't guess starn't with Now this isn't your ballpark, Allen,
What did you think of the story about Victoria University?
So the two third year classes, I think it's ethics
and one other papers where they're having to basically because
they're concerned about AI and the people having laptops and
(32:33):
exams and of course they don't control all the access
to the internet, so basically saying you have to write
it by hand. The one thing that came to mind
with me was this generation of students would have terrible handwriting,
wouldn't they.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
A yes, yes, I just marked some tests yesterday and
have a hard time reading them. You know, when they
write their names, for goodness sake, it's hard enough to
decipher them half the time. But I'm a big, big, big,
big believer in pen and paper. There's nothing wrong with that,
and as simple as that, they should just suck it up.
I'm sorry and right for three hours until your hand
(33:08):
drops off, and if it does, that means you've written
a good exam. Basically, unless it's.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
All wrong.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
And your hands still drops off.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
This whole AI thing, I am just dead against it.
I still haven't heard a decent argument for utilizing AI
and education. I just I went, I went, okay, So
I went to a talk by a proponent and she said, oh,
you know, so that they're doing essays and stuff like that,
I'm not marking the spelling or grammar anymore because it
should be perfect o MG. Come on, so you know
(33:40):
we're we're going to end up being functionally illiterate when
it comes to sort of the English language. I think
it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I think it's extraordinarily well as social media isn't contributing
to a linguistic sort of problems as well. And what
do you reckon, Irene.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
It's a very long time since I did exams. Tim
me too, and I wasn't sure when I was reading
up about the story how long it had been that
had you know, had been more normal to not handwrite exams.
And your lovely producer, who is somewhat closer to her
academic days than I am, says, it's not really that
long since people were still handwriting. So while we get
(34:17):
through them, I mean, this is just Victoria saying they
just need to get to it, but where they can
work out whether people are cheating with AI or not,
and they need to revert for a while.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I wonder that's funny that it's just these two exams.
Why not every exam.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Because some exams don't really lend themselves to using computers. Like,
for example, if you've got to draw diagrams or stuff
like that, which you do absolutely in chemistry, it's a
head of site cricket to draw them by hand than
to pull up the software and do this thing lah
blah blah blah. So you know, some lend themselves to it.
In some numerical ones. For example, again, you know, if
you're doing lots of calculations and stuff like that, it's
(34:52):
way easier to just write them out with that pen
and paper rather than doing it, you know, on computer.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
So actually, I keep on when I think of exams.
I still remember the best mark I've ever got an
exam was there was a a guy who was an
older student. He'd had a pH d in classical Greek,
I think, or something in any He was one of
the students in this exam, but ages ago he had
requested his He always got a's, and I asked for
his if I can have a look at what has
(35:20):
exam papers looked like, and his were probably a half
or a third the length of conventional answers. He was
really concise. He would write sentence point, sentence point, sentence point.
And I tried it in one in the one exam
up where I had the benefit of that knowledge, and
I wrote as concisely as I could. When I thought
(35:41):
I've almost short changed everything, and I got it was
was the first time I got to like an A.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It's that like that old philosophy exam question, is this
a question? And then somebody wrote, if it is, then
this is the answer.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
They probably want you to flesh it out. They probably
they probably concise flesh it out for me. Actually, what's
your hand what was your You had written notes today?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
I have? Yeah, everyone always comments on It's obviously a
rare thing because whenever I make notes, everyone comments on them.
And so you know.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
The other thing about AI, just getting back to that
sort of thing, is I'm learning to French using an
app and it does say that you should write down
every new lesson, and there is something about the process
of handwriting. It commits things and to them, as opposed
to relying on AI to sort of do it in
the background.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I'm with you, nod, You're absolutely right, that's the way
I learn as well. You write stuff down.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I'm learning today, Mary and all my I've got all
my notebooks as I learn words or Henry.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You doing it on computer or on app or no.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
When I listen to podcasts and I do books and things.
But mostly, you know, I've just got all my VOK
written in a little notebook and I'm just constantly revising
because what I find is it when I learn something,
it falls off of my head. Again, God, I tell
you what.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
French at the moment and there's a phrase come up
there like what is that again? It's like I'm like, okay,
I'm going to been told ten times anyway, should have
written it down. Anyway. We'll be back in just a moment.
We're going to have a chat about well, well let's
wait and see. But Lord's coming on a world tour
and she has snubbed New Zealand and we'll see how
much we care about that. Eight hundred not no, eight hundred.
(37:14):
I'm going to be asking these two hear you can't
call it's ten to fourp yes, welcome back. This is
the panel with Irene Gardner and Alan Blackman. And actually,
before we get to Lord snubbing New Zealand, which is
probably not the most in depth complex topic at all.
To get into the National Party's proposed ban on social
media for the under sixteen. Now, it's a bill that's
been put in because it doesn't have the support obviously
(37:35):
with the other coalition partners, so they can't make it
a government bill, so it's going to go into the biscuit.
Tin but Catherine where the National mp it's would restrict
access to social media for under sixteen by making the
media companies themselves have to verify that someone is over sixteen. Now,
there's probably some mechanics issue, but the broad question is
do you think it's a good idea to restrict social
(37:57):
media the under sixteen? I am a yes please Irene
yes two.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I think yeah, I've I'm a yes, but I'm still
not quite sure how you'd actually do it.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Well, Australia is having a crack at it, so I
think what we do as we look at what they're doing,
is going is it working? Let's do it for them?
Because you remember people remember when they said you can't
ban phones in school and that's not a good idea
and everyone's going hallelujah, Yeah, what do you think Again,
I I just.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Don't know how they're going to do it. Lot, who's
the most techs heavy.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Pomber of the household?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, it's always the kids, aren't they. They know how
to use all these things and so therefore they're going
to find ways around this. So yes, look it's commendable. Yes,
something probably needs to be done, but I don't know how,
and I'm not sure that this big old blanket band
is going to do it.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
But here, here's here's my argument. Okay, back when I
was growing up, it was you know, when I was thirteen,
you wasn't illegal. It wasn't legal to go and see
an R sixteen movie. And I probably managed to sneak in. Okay,
I definitely managed to sneak in. But the fact is
it was against the law, and most kids didn't do it.
So there's all sorts of things that are against the law.
(39:05):
Guess what, laws are broken all the time. But you
set the framework which means for parents to say, look,
you can't, I don't want you having a social media account,
as opposed to well all of my friends have got one.
Now you've got that. This is the time. I think
there is a legislative support for what parents probably want.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
So again, why not make this a conscience vote? Are
they a national not actually allowed to propose a piece
of legislation of Act and the New Zealand first don't agree.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
I gather that the government can put bills in and
the government is the coalition government and ACT hasn't supported this,
so it has to go into the biscuit. Tin Labor
have indicated they might support it, so but yeah, because
it's not a government bill, it has to go in
with all the other poplars.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Honestly, no, no, no, no, this is the tail wagging
the dog again.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Well, if you'd like to vote, m MP.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Out, Well, I didn't vote for it. The post, Well,
I didn't vote for I think I voted for his TV.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
We've got one gone on a tangent.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Sorry, I got my you you didn't hear V. I
know I heard TD that dodgy student thing from the seventies. Anyway, Hey, look,
we can't even talk about Lord not snubbing New Zealand,
so you just have to go and read about it yourself.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
But she's not snubbing. She's coming later anyway.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Anyway, I hate lovely to see Irene Allen. Great to
have you on the show. Thank you for coming up.
We can get you back again cool. Was it okay
with you? Not too paid?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Absolutely great?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Well done? Okay right. The one roof of Property Radio
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