June 7, 2025 • 40 mins
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to rap Sport and preview that that chiefs versus Auckland
that's going to be a doozy, isn't it?
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So?
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To get on with Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It
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Your weekend, Your way, the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge,
News Talk Zebby so yes for our.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Four our panel today we're welcoming. Well, like sh I'll
tell you what something old, something new. Let's start with
something not so old? Really, because I've that's a clumsy introduction.
But he's been on our panel before. I'm surprised that
he's not a Knight yet. He's a sociologist and Emorate
emeritus professor at Amassi University. And it should be Sir
Paul Spoonley. I was waiting for that in the honest
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But Paul, hello.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm good to thank you very good.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
If you anything interesting going on with you at the moment.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, I did I did get an award during this
Kings Honor's weekend.
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Yes you did, you ZM.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I did so, Officer Spoonley.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Really, I don't know, sounds no idea, sounds a but nab,
you've just got it in this wonder Ji what congratulations,
thank you, thank you, citation for for services sister sociology,
but brother thank you, thank you. And we've got a
new guest on the show. And when I mentioned that
it was to do with a special guest given the
time of the year, it is because field Days a
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mystery creek are upon us. And she is the chairperson
for New Zealand National field Day Society. And Jenny Vernon, Hello,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You'd? And nice fee here? Tom?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, I was because I just look at the pair
of you and I think we really need to be
upgrading ourselves because surely it should be by now, Dame
Jenny Vernon, isn't it real? You can't answer those questions
because humility is part of the whole thing. Hey, now,
let's talk about field Days. Firstly, when do they kick off?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
So they start next Wednesday and they conclude on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And how it's going to be. I have a suspicion
that they're going to be huge this year because we've
got that we've got some taxation advantages for people going
and buying some new kit with the twenty percent automatic depreciation.
We've had some good news on payouts with fon terror.
But actually, tell us who are field Days for? Because
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a lot of people go, it's the farmers it's dairy,
it's cars, it's milk, it's milk, it's milk, it's beef.
But who are field days for?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So it's about town and country. So it's not just
about the farmers. And it's about innovation, and it's about education,
and it's about globalization. So there's something for everyone, and
it's huge if I think of the school high school
students that go there from schools all around New Zealand.
So there's hundreds of school pupils, particularly on a Friday,
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that go and then there's I know, lots of Aucklanders
who come down the motorway and go there. But it's
actually for everyone, so it is not just farmers, and
it's not just dairy farmers either.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
We've got well that's sort of why I threw that
dumb question in because I knew you had a little
bit of a pushback to go with that one.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I do, I do, I mean maybe one day. Originally
it was set up by largely dairy farmers, but it's
way broader than that. There's a big horticulture sector, there's
a forestry sector, science for farmers, there's sheep and beef.
There's advocacy like Federated Farmers, rural women, education. There's food
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and there's lots of nice things that you can taste
that are slightly alcoholic as well.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's like you've got beer there. Actually you're away more
than the whisky.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Wine is so and beautiful food to taste this lot.
I mean it actually is showcasing internationally all our food
and fiber products for New Zealand, and we should be
really proud of that.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Is there a case to be I mean, it's in
New Zealand's makeup. It seems to me to be something
that we're all aware that Field Days goes on. It's
a big and it's a big day. I've been I
member going to field days when I was a kid,
and I wonder if we understate how what a big
date this is in our calendar culturally as New Zealanders.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Absolutely, and I think we also understate it's not in
those days. Probably Tim when you read it was like
you had to wear gum boots and everybody has that image.
But I can tell you that you can wear well,
I won't be wearing gum boots to go to field days,
and it's it's way more sophisticated than that now And
it depends what you want to see as well and
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what you're looking for, what your interest is. But there's
absolutely everything there. But what I like about it is
every year is different. And bear in mind this is
our fifty seventh field days.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Wow, poorly have you been to field Days? Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, so I was when I was provis chancellor at
MESSI I used to go for a year. Yeah I
did wear gum boots.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It depends on the weather, not at all.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Look, look even in the rain, I just just wear
some hearty solid shoes.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah. No one's going to be getting around in stilettos.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
No, there's some excellent freebies there. It's a great day out.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You're an orchardist.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yes I am, Yes, Sam, what do you what do
you grow?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Apples?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And Zealand or New Zealand. We've grown the new generation
Galaxy and Dazzel for the Asian markets. We're part of
mister Apple and yeah, you know, just it's part of
what we do.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think what we forget is that as Aucklanders actually
do invest, own and participate in the primary sector totally.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
From how far far afield to people is it basically
people from all around New Zealand just it's like a
magnet for everyone.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Just New Zealand, but also Australia, Europe, America, China, Korea, Ireland.
I mean from all around the world. People come principally,
I guess our biggest audience is probably from the North Island,
but not necessarily all wacott Or people either. They have plenty.
You've got Hawk's Bay, Manu Tu everywhere.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So how long have you been How long have you
been the chair of the National Field Society.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I'm in my third gen now, but I've actually been
on the board for over ten years. And besides being
on the board, I also run the kitchen for all
the volunteers, the police, all the voluntary services. So my
day actually starts at four am when we leave the farm,
and I might get home at ten o'clock that night.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Sounds like a big day, But do you spring out
a bed at three am going yippie it started? Of course?
Of course you're a rural girl from way back.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I am a rural girl from way back, starting following
my grandfather when I was a little tecker pulling wall
off dead cheap because wall was fifty percent of the income.
So you know, I know, farming from the front end,
the back end and everything in between.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Fantastic. Well, and we'll give it the shout out. Now
people are thinking that they might want to go down
to field Days because it kicks off on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Wednesday eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Do people need to buy tickets before they go? Can they? No?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
You buy it online.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's really easy. You just you know, buy field Days
app and you buy your ticket through the app and
an actual fact, can I promote the app because it
has absolutely all the information you need and you buy
your ticket seet It also gives you a map lists
all the exhibitors, which is.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Over twelve hundred field Days dot.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Just field Days apps.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I've got field Days Dot of course. Yeah, right, excellent,
get your tickets you won't get onto field Days out
and get on down there. If you've been thinking I
must go that sometimes I must go there sometimes, well
guess what, maybe this is the week for you to go.
Let's go on. We're going now we're going to talk
about others, some other things aside from rural issues. Of course,
the best headline I saw for this was World War
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douche really, but Trump versus Musk. Now we've seen that
relationship blow up Paul and everyone's saying, of course, it
was always going to happen. It was, of course, But
I'll be honest, I thought that eventually that have a
falling out, but I didn't think it would be this dramatic,
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This quack with this much sort of at least from Elon.
It's like he's been betrayed by his father or something. Yes,
it's like a Darth Vader Luke.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
You know, it's extraordinary, isn't it. I Mean, we knew
there would be a falling out, as you say, but
what a train wreck. And the comments about each other.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I know Elon.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Does point the finger a lot of people about sexual behavior,
but you know, just it's quite extraordinary. This this clash's
of these the richest man in the world versus the
most powerful man in the world.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, the thing that I was kind of surprised about
until Elon said that Trump wouldn't have won the election
without him. But I was quite surprised at initially Donald
Trump's his reaction to it was wasn't as combative. But
I think it's because deep down Donald Trump knows that
Elon Musk is worth four hundred billion dollars. What did
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you think about it, Jenny, Well, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Rather sad actually, because I mean, if you take away
the theatrics of it all, I mean, there is a
country there, there's there's people that have been involved, and
for the average American person, I wonder how they feel
about all of this, And I believe such side shows
really aren't free helpful for either America or actually for
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the rest of the world, because there's bigger issues than
those two egos.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, actually that you've Hodler at the right point, because
you almost forget that. The it first came up with
the elephant in the room was when Trump was sitting
next to the German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz, and I mean
Metz was well, they were talking about Ukraine and what
they were going to do there, and all of a
sudden that it does sort of it serve us pretty poorly,
doesn't it, Paul.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yes, it does. You mean the black Eye and the
rest of it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The oh just here they are supposed to be talking
about Ukraine and Russia and all that sort of thing,
and the headliners Musk and Trump having you know, having
a falling out.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
No, I mean it's extraordinary. I do think Tim, there's
an interesting dimension to this, and that is that it's
easy to criticize government, it's harder to be in government.
And I have some sympathy for Musk because Musk was
there to cut government expenditure. And the bill, the Big
Beautiful Bill, actually puts all of that debt back on
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the American government. So here's a right to be aggrieved
at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I think, I think, I mean as most possibly a
self interest as well, but that's I didn't Trump say
j any that any president that ran a deficit should
basically be sacked. And yet he's running this massive deficit.
There's pressure on the US bond market, and the confidence
is gradually sort of I mean, the world's biggest economy,
and where's confidence at it? And you can speak from
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a real perspective, turf you like, well.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think it's scary. I think that's what you know,
the confidence, And it's not just about America. It's about
the whole world trade scenario, which we've built over eighty
years since World War Two, and suddenly all of that
underlying rule of law and trade is being tipped upside down,
and that is absolutely scary for everybody. And That's what
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I find really sad about these two egos. But they
just have their disagreement in the back shed and move on,
because you know, we've got bigger issues like for everybody,
cost of living, costs of the wars. I mean, it's
not a happy place geopolitically at the moment.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
How does it affect trade from the point of view
of a global or the dairy and rural and all
the supports stuff people who might be I mean, does
it stress you out about what effect that might have?
Or do you think, look, we've got a great product,
We're going to sell it, We're always going to do
well well.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think you can take the glass half full of
the glass half empty, and I'm always a glass half full.
But I mean, our exporters are nervous. Why wouldn't you be.
I mean, because nobody knows. This is you territory being charted,
and it is scary, and it's yeah, it's very unnerving.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I've just come back from Germany and the whole of
Europe is just wondering what the hell is going to
happen next, That's right, it's the uncertainty it is.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And how do you plan and how do you actually
work your economy if you don't know what your export
future is going to be.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Actually, because Musk is now talking about setting up another
political party, do he want an alternative? Which I mean
he has the resources to do it if he wants
to pour his money into it, but I can't see.
I do wonder whether that means that Trump's going to
find it harder to get support from his Republican colleagues
who think, hell, I'm under the threat here. Maybe they
actually have to stand up for something apart from being
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a sicker fan of Trump, What do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I think that what we're doing is what he's doing
is putting people on the line and saying, where are
you loyalties? Muskers, and I think Trump's going to do
the same. So whether we said a fractioning of the
Republican Party, and particularly about the Big Beautiful Bill, because
have you noticed how many Republicans are saying, I did
not know that was in the bill and now yeah,
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and now that Musk has come out in opposition, it
gives them a mandate really to say, wow, perhaps I
need to revisit this.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So the future is very.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Uncertain, I think for Trump at this point in terms
of that bill.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I know we're not supposed to be distracted by
the entertainment spectacle, but it is pretty entertaining.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, I guess it's easier from where we're sitting, isn't
it at the bottom of the world. And we also
have always been outward looking, not inwood locking, So I
guess you might say.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And there's not entertaining.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
There's not a single night when you watch your television
news when there isn't something like a sort.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Of quite a bit. It is quite a I mean,
it really is amazing times we're living in right now.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
By the way, just an easy text that somebody sent
in from Charlene just for for you, Jenny, and I
think I can almost answer this myself. It says, are
there animals for kids to look out at field days?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Unfortunately, no, there there's a few cheap and the odd cow.
But it's not really that sort of show, like there's
not horses and cows and sheep to pet. But there is.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
There is the Race of the Lawnmowers, isn't there?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
There is that's on Super Saturday, and that is actually
the red Ball cut it which has never been in
New Zealand before. Should be lots of fun.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But there's lots of things for kids.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
To do with oh heaps of things. And there's a
family zone in the in the Heritage Village, so it's
not that there isn't enough for kids to do. And
as Paul said, there's plenty of free beast help their just.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Quickly the race of the lawnmowers. Do they actually have
the blades on for that thing that they actually have
to cut some grass? Or is it just literally there's
no blades. No, No, they're just souped up the car.
I think they should have a strip of grass to
cut too. I mean, anyway, Look, we'll be back in
just a moment. This is the panel. My guest to
Jenny Verner, she's chairperson for New Zealand National Field Day Society,
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and Paul Spoonley, sociologist Emeritus Professor at Massive University. I'm
well outranked and we'll be back in just a moment.
It's twenty four past three.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
When I was just a baby, my mama told me son,
always be a good boy, don't ever flee with's God.
But I shot a man in renal just a wadumnu.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And welcome back to the Weekend. Collective. We've got a
little bit of a country vibe going on, only because
one of my panelists today is Jenny Vernon. She's a
chairperson for New Zealand National Field Days, which kick off
this week on Wednesday. And anyway, and we're with Paul
Spoonley as well, who's joining us for the panel. Now
onto other things. Now, the UK, if there's a new
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defense strategy that's unfolding. They're committing to their largest increase
in defense spending since the end of the Cold War,
and it's pretty sort of sobering stuff. Anyway, there are
sixty two recommendations from this strategic review. Defense review are
going to be implemented and it includes an enhanced nuclear deterrence, drones, swarms,
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autonomous weapons, long range missiles upgrade at F thirty five
and typhoon fighter jets. The Defense Secretary it's aimed at
making Britain secure at home strong abroad. I mean sort
of feels that everyone is having to nail their colors
to the master. But isn't it poor when it comes
to perceived global instability and insecurity and all that sort
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of thing. What are you read?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Absolutely China, but of course the Ukraine Russian War. I
think all of us need to review it, and I
think the paper is interesting. What struck me was firstly
that the UK's going Europe. They've obviously, I mean obviously
America is not as multilateral as it was under Trump,
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and so the UK has made its stance firm. It
is going with NATO. So that's the first thing. And
I think the second thing is that war readiness that
you talked about needs to involve much greater technology, significant
increase in defense spending up to three percent. The question
I think that all of us need to ask in
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every country is where does that spending come from? Where
do you get the money to do that? Because three
percent is huge.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, well, of course we've had our own spend up announced.
But it's interesting. The thing that the thing that stuck
out for me there, Jenny, was that the drone swarms
in on Thomas weapons and as we've seen to spectacular
effect that the attack from Ukraine on to those air
bases in Russia, and how effective they were with some
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fairly in terms of the big picture of things, fairly
inexpensive technology. But of course Britain has been a big
supporter of Ukraine and helping train troops and things like that.
So it is adding a bit of metal to the
whole Ukraine situation as well. What's your take on the announcement?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, I think, as I said j Tim before, it
also provides opportunities, doesn't it for innovation? And here we've
got a new Zealand Taronga drine company sixty six million
dollars worth of a contract with the UK Defense Department.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So it's what extraordinary is it? Is? It is you
wouldn't link twoingo, would you with defense spending drone technology
for military purposes? Would you not? At all?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
So I guess out of all of this, and you know,
with NASA and some of the space exploratory work and
even our own rocket lab, all of that technology has
other uses other than perhaps what we traditionally would expect
it to be used for, Like we use a drone
to spray gorse and suddenly here you've got a drone
that is doing defense work.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I mean, it is quite it is quite extraordinary, Paul.
I mean how much do you this do you think
is directly connected with Russia versus I mean, do we
worry about China? We've seen the Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think we I think we need to worry about
both Russia and China in terms of expansion and soft
power as well as hard power. So no, no, I
think I think the world is entering a new era.
I think there's a degree of uncertainty in Europe and
made worse by, of course, the Trump factor, which I've
already mentioned. I just think we need to be much
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more focused on this new environment and the Ukraine war
if nothing else has shown you what the new way
of fighting. I mean, it's got very traditional aspects to it,
but the drones is just the whole thing that I
never had was aware of previously.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I mean, it's amazing that that that particular attack by
Ukraine with the drones to Russia was what are over
eight year and months, a year and a half, which
actually does make me wonder. I don't think that people
plan one attack and that's it. See if I was
in Russia's shoes, you'd be wondering what else They've got planned,
because it's not just going to be one thing. They'll
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have been planning ahead. And obviously the people who planned
this attack, I mean it's quite sti strategic, strategic and ingenius,
to be honest, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But it's made us, hasn't it made us all sit
up a bit straight in our chairs about all of
this now, which we may have been slightly complacent about
that the world is just going to carry on like
it's done.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So, oh, we were totally complacent, really, weren't we? Point
we were? We were?
Speaker 4 (22:43):
And I mean the thing about Trump to harp on
about that is that it's we have relied upon the US,
and we have relied on the US being a good
partner and an international leader, and that apparently is being
diminished at the moment.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So what do we do?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
How do we respond to that? And I think absolutely
we need to talk about defense policy, what it means.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Actually to be fair too old trumpy, I mean, not
being fair. But he actually, in a way has done
long term I think actually he's done global stability. He
might have inadvertently done global stability of favor because he's
put it's because he's sort of shocked Europe into realizing
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you can't always count on us, and so if Europe
builds its strength up, Trump's not going to be hopefully
the MAGA movement, well, the isolationist US, We've seen it before.
I mean took a long time before America got dragged
into World War two. Yeah, until Pearl Harbor, which was
the best news that Churchill had ever received, really so.
But I mean him signaling that Europe had to pull
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its socks up probably wasn't a bad thing all around,
was it. Jenny, you got to have taken that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think that you know exactly what Paul said, that
we have relied on American money, American strength, the American
economy being the biggest in the Western world, and maybe
we just took that too much for granted, And bear
in mind it's actually the American taxpayers who are funding
all of that, and there was a perhaps a equilibrium
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bringing it back in a balance that was required, which
maybe Trump has done in an unusual way perhaps, but
he has done it.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
The endgame might be that Europe becomes the dominant world correct,
So a combined Europe that becomes the dominant world power
in terms of particularly defense, but also trade, but.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Also food as well.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, speaking of speaking of international things as well, this
I've got to be interested to know what your gut
reaction to this, because before you read too much, you
sort of I have an instant reaction to the open
letter that's been signed by what's been described as a
high power group of former political leaders so who have
urged Prime Minster Christopher Luxen to restate New Zealand's commitment
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to the China partnership. It's former Labor Prime Ministers Helen
Clark and Sir Jeffrey Palmer and former National Party leaders
to Don Brash and Labor former National Party had crepture
ministers speak of our David Carter. So they've aired their
concerns about the government's defense relationship with the United States
and what it could mean for the China relationship. I'll
be honest. I saw Don Brash's name there and I
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saw China and I went next. But I don't know
why did you think? I think, Well, I think he's
got he's got some connections with China. I think in
some boards or something that made me think. I don't
know whether you're the impartial voice on this, but Helen Clark,
I mean, they're all respected people, but I tend to
think I don't know. Well, I think it had left
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the room. Yeah, maybe you should leave the room, yes.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But I think it highlights for me anyway, the uncertainty
in terms of is China our enemy or is China
our major trading partner. So we've got a very fine line.
And what this letter does is highlight again that difficult
relationship that we're going to have with China. Do we
complain about the higas and what's happening there or do
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we continue to reinforce, particularly with America doing what it's doing,
our trading links with China.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
But is it any different from when David Longi, for example,
we became nuclear free and America was a big trading
partner and I liken this too, climbing a seven wire
fence on the farm and the top wire is the
barbed wire, and you're delicately balanced. You do not want
to fall either side in a hurry. And New Zealand
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we are a trading company country and it's about free
trade and we've always been delicately balanced with the UK
when you know they were going into EO. This is China.
We've been there with America, we're working with other Asian companies.
So is it any different than what we're always been
doing or Jenny, you wouldn't want to get caught on
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the battle decisely that's my thing, and I guess that's
what this letter is about. Be careful, you may get caught.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I mean, the thing is that I just tend to
think that if we've got stuff that the rest of
the world wants to buy, and if China lights our products,
it's going to continue to buy our products. And look
the idea that I don't know whether I don't actually
know what the letter means, because I have a fairly
high amount level of trust in our Trade minister Tom maclay.
(27:32):
I think he's excellent, and I think Winston and our
foreign minister, Yeah, and our foreign Minister Winston as well
as our foreign minister. We've got a pretty good team there.
I'm not sure they need the advice of Helen and
Don and David and anyway.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I think the elephant in the room is UCUS. So
whether or not we're going to commit to ucas, particularly
the second pillar. So if we do that, then we
put our stampower commitment to the US, And whether that
then aggravates the Chinese, I agree with you, Tim. I
think the Chinese are going to trade their into prominence
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because they've got some challenges themselves in terms of both
economics and demography, but I think they're going to want
to continue to trade with New Zealand and other countries
as a way of then bolstering their position in the world.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah. I mean, I just tend to think that, oh,
we be a bit better, be careful. I think if
we've got dispense concerns, we should form whatever alliance we
want to and trade looks after itself separately. I think
that there's too much of this. Oh, we did not
do this book because we might aggravate them. I don't know,
I'm not quite.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We've got five minutes to talk about it. Of course,
I'm going to simplify it, tell you what we actually
You've reminded me that we not only have to simplify it,
we have to abbreviate it. So we're going to come
back with some conversations on some other stuff very shortly,
including your view of the punishments that were dished out
to the Mari Party members for well as we all
(29:03):
know that story, don't we, and the response to It's
twenty one minutes to four. This is News talks 'b rolling, Rolling, Rolling, Roll, Roll, rolled,
the roll, roll, hold and rolled. Yes, the country themes
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keep rolling rolling rolling, because at one of our panelis today.
I'm Tim Beverage, by the way, welcome back, well, welcome
in if you've just joined us as Jenny Vernon, chairperson
for the New Zealand for National Feedo field Day Society.
And Paul Spoonley is with us too, sociologist emeritus professor
at Massive University. Now, boy, that well, it's it's just
about it's all over bar the shouting maybe even the
(29:50):
shoutings just about over with it or will it ever be?
But the Tapati Mari MPs the vote has finally happened.
So co leaders debbing Garu were Packer and Rawity Yt
being suspended for twenty one days. It's without pay. MP
Hannah Rafferty might be Clark suspended for seven days. I
was surprised, tell you. One thing I was surprised about
was that Jerry Brownly the speaker, didn't seem to be
(30:11):
there for some of the debate or any of it. No,
it was Barbara.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Kruger and Tangke who were in the in the chair
and they had a I don't know whether you watched it,
but man, it was fiery.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Oh well I saw some bits of it. What do
you think, what do you think of the punishment. I'll
go to you first, Paul.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I've got two views on this.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I think it was one on one side of the bar.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No, I think it's the government, not Parliament, exerting the
punishment here. But the second thing is the person who
made most sense in the debate was Adrian Rufi, who
actually said, let's take a step back and think about this,
and he made some really interesting comments about tarian naturia,
(31:01):
and he made some suggestions about how they should deal
with these sorts of issues in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And I thought he was the voice well here, should
have challenged it to party Mary. But did they go
about business?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
No he did.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
No, he did, and it was right to do. But
you know, were they given an opportunity to apologize. They're
saying today they didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Ah, and well no no, but they didn't even front up.
They breached the they breached the confidentiality of the findings.
Is they treated They couldn't have done more to aggravate it.
It's a bit like if I killed someone instead of
compleading self defense, going yeah, I stabbed in twenty times
and the bars deserved to die. And I'm not ashamed
of doing it, and I'm not even going to turn
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up to the trial, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I mean, but they do have choices, don't they. And
they could have actually gone to the speaker and said, actually,
we're very passionate about this and that we would like
to express that with the harker and harkers have been
done before in parliament, so they did have that choice,
and they do know the rules of Parliament, so again,
and they could have apologized as well.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Well, you know, the thing is, how often this is
getting us putting this to one side, this particular issue.
But how often do we ever do we hear politicists
and saying, oh, it's going to go to the Privileges Committee,
the very powerful privileged privileges Committee, and you know, someone
makes an apology and it's all the very powerful Privileges Committee,
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which never seems to do anything other than slap people
over the rest with a wet bus ticket, maybe half
a day's suspension. Muldoon got something, you know, I can't
remember what it was, if you when he was drunk
or something. But finally they've actually dished out a punishment
that seems to actually fit the crime.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I thought that there should have been much stronger punishments
in pres occasions, because well, what do we either have
standards and we have consequences, or we have or the
very powerful Privileges Committee. What's going to happen. Well, you're
going to have to say, sorry, it's really bad.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Can I can I make a point there? I don't
think the privilege the Privileges Committee are the MP's sitting
in judgment on them. I would actually prefer something more independent. Yeah,
but I mean, you know, and then it becomes just
a matter of politics.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Politics.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, Look, I mean the funny thing is
you know that they suspended the vote so the Mari
Party so Rahwiti and Debbie could participate in the budget
debate and they didn't even turn up. No poorest attendance
record of any MP's I think you'll find as well.
Probably worth mention throwing that one. But tell you what,
let's take the break now and we'll come back with
(33:37):
a couple more things. This is the panel on News
talks'd be Jenny Vernon and Paul Spoonley, my guests, It's
what is the time for thirteen minutes before.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I have stumbled on something substantial.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I was speaking of mine.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well we continue that rural theme. There's a little bit
of fred d Gosh, how how old? How long ago
fred dag make it his first appearance Jenny on Country Calendar?
Would it be the seventies? Easily seventy six? When and
that used to They used to did it dead pan
and the audience had to work out for themselves. I
don't think this guy's sons are all called treev.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
All nine or eleven of them, though I'm sure they're not.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I think we even had we even had fred Dagg's
greater hits as a record in our record collection. I
can still probably quote some of the twenty first birthday speech.
You know, it's like, could somebody please date missus Bayless
out of the wall press? Thank you and we miss them?
Jenny Vernon and Paul Spernley. And my guess for the
panel now, actually Works Safe would be a I mean
(34:46):
Field days. It must be a bit of nightmare for
you guys. There's been some changes and they're trying to
sort of remove excessive road cones I think is their
way of selling it. But what do you make of
the whole Work Safe and the changes they're looking.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Well, it's huge and as you've picked up, I mean,
we've got between thirty and forty thousand people in a
gully on any one particular day at days it works
safe and issues of making sure people get there safely
and go home safely and the experience and at field
days is safe is huge and we do. It's a
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huge duty is the board and staff and all our
exhibitors to make sure everyone is safe, and it is
a very big deal.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I just think all I can think of is the
lawnmar race, which just anything that has sort of something
that's designed to cut grass as a race sounds like
a sounds like a health and safety has it, doesn't it?
Paur It does indeed, although I think they should do
it with the blades on and they should have to
cut grass. But then we really would be in trouble,
wouldn't we.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
We might be. But I mean, just if you think
of all the exhibitors and they all need electricity, they
all need water to every site, and then you've got
you know, vehicles building all these houses and big pavilions
and all the marquees. It is huge for us.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
They are trying to make it a bit simpler the
Health and Safe I think they're talking. They obviously don't
want to loosen the reins on dangerous activities, but I
mean it's such a difficult balance, isn't it poor.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
It is it is, and I would point people to
the report that the Business Leaders did last year on
health and safety. We do not rank well internationally. Our
fatality rate is coming down, but it's much higher than
the Australia. In the UK, and they identified some things
like the fact that work Safe was reactive with and proactive.
There was a lot of mistrust and I do think
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we need to look at Australia and particularly the UK,
who do the enforcement and advice much better than we do.
And it does worry me that we're going in a
particular direction which doesn't take on board the examples and
the suggestions from the Business Leaders report.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Last and Paul has a point. I mean, sadly, agriculture
does not have a stunning record. If you look at
the accidents zon you know, side by sides and quad
bikes and tractors, I think you know, she'll be right.
Attitude just doesn't cut it anymore.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
No, speaking of I mean that was just about fred
Dag's slogan, wasn't it She'll be right? Or the rural
sort of throwaway line, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Can I add one thing? The thing that struck me
is that work accidents in this country cost US four
billion dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It is not small.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And so I do think we need to take this seriously.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Speaking of taking things seriously, we haven't really got much
time yet. Are you're going to get down to the
book sellers to get just Sder's memoir, either of you?
I probably will.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I'll have a look at I'm interested in political memoirs generally,
so you know I'm interested in political memoirs, so you
know she and look, as I said before, I just
come back from Germany, I cannot believe her international profile. Yes,
it's just stunning.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yes, I mean when I say I cannot believe her
international profile, I mean I cannot believe the international profile
in terms of I mean, I'm not a fan of
the way she ran in the country, to be honest,
but I guess I take it as an opportunity to
think of what is the best memoir you've ever read?
And there are some. It's a good excuse if you're
(38:14):
thinking of looking into a biography. There are probably a
few other good ones you could check out if you
got a favorite biography or the Actually.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
I'm with Paul on this, I quite like memoirs from
political leaders because I don't think New Zealanders appreciate how
tough it actually is to be a politician in New Zealand,
doesn't matter what level, and that an actual fact behind
it all. They are just human like the rest of us.
And I think that's where you see sometimes the other
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side of politics. And like for example, at Field Days
you can walk round on Wednesday and see from Prime
Minister all the ministers, members of Parliament opposite where else
in the world can you actually have access to those people,
And so something like a menoir. I mean my last
one I read was Michael Cullins. I loved it because
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they are clever people and whatever side of the spectrum
are and it is a very special person that wants
to be a politician.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You could say that in all sorts of ways. It's
a very special person. It's all in the intonation ladies
and gentlemen. And Jenny Vernons nailed it. Does she mean
that as a compliment or is that the slightly there
a bit of a back even she says, you take
that the way you want him. It's like you take
that the way you want to anyway. Hey, look it's
(39:37):
it's time to say goodbye. I almost feel like we
need to play the Mickey Mouse unit. Now it's time
to say goodbye to all our company. M I c K.
Why thanks so much for Johnny's you've got a little
shout out.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You also want to shout out to Angus in Blenham
who's just about to change houses. And as a listener
to the show.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Oh well, good on you, Angus, Angus. And now I'm
thinking of Angus.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I'm back to steaks and the field Days and there's
plenty of those at field Days.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm pleased to hear it now again look field Days
dot co, dot ens and check out what's on offer
and why if you're a New Zealander and you haven't been,
it's your national duty to get your butt to field
Days and the journey. Absolutely good stuff right where. We'll
be back in just a moment for the one roof
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We're going to talk about, well, winter is upon us,
how can you effectively heat your home? What are you
doing to save a bit of money? Talking all things
electrical and how not to blow your budget when you're
(01:33):
heading your home during the winter chill. And after five,
Dr Dougal Sutherland Google Sutherland joins us. He's a psychologist
at Umbrella Wellbeing And the principal question for that is,
in the wake of some of the tragedy with run
It and all that, how do we stop our kids
doing dumb stuff? How do we actually save them from
themselves or is it just one of those things that
sometimes tragedies happen. And before six we'll be wrapping Sport
(01:56):
with Superman himself. Christopher Reeve will be flying in again
to rap Sport and preview that that chiefs versus Auckland
that's going to be a doozy, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
To get on with Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It
is eight minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Your weekend, Your way, the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge,
News Talk Zebby so yes for our.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Four our panel today we're welcoming. Well, like sh I'll
tell you what something old, something new. Let's start with
something not so old? Really, because I've that's a clumsy introduction.
But he's been on our panel before. I'm surprised that
he's not a Knight yet. He's a sociologist and Emorate
emeritus professor at Amassi University. And it should be Sir
Paul Spoonley. I was waiting for that in the honest
(02:39):
But Paul, hello.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm good to thank you very good.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
If you anything interesting going on with you at the moment.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, I did I did get an award during this
Kings Honor's weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes you did, you ZM.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I did so, Officer Spoonley.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Really, I don't know, sounds no idea, sounds a but nab,
you've just got it in this wonder Ji what congratulations,
thank you, thank you, citation for for services sister sociology,
but brother thank you, thank you. And we've got a
new guest on the show. And when I mentioned that
it was to do with a special guest given the
time of the year, it is because field Days a
(03:19):
mystery creek are upon us. And she is the chairperson
for New Zealand National field Day Society. And Jenny Vernon, Hello,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You'd? And nice fee here? Tom?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, I was because I just look at the pair
of you and I think we really need to be
upgrading ourselves because surely it should be by now, Dame
Jenny Vernon, isn't it real? You can't answer those questions
because humility is part of the whole thing. Hey, now,
let's talk about field Days. Firstly, when do they kick off?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
So they start next Wednesday and they conclude on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And how it's going to be. I have a suspicion
that they're going to be huge this year because we've
got that we've got some taxation advantages for people going
and buying some new kit with the twenty percent automatic depreciation.
We've had some good news on payouts with fon terror.
But actually, tell us who are field Days for? Because
(04:13):
a lot of people go, it's the farmers it's dairy,
it's cars, it's milk, it's milk, it's milk, it's beef.
But who are field days for?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So it's about town and country. So it's not just
about the farmers. And it's about innovation, and it's about education,
and it's about globalization. So there's something for everyone, and
it's huge if I think of the school high school
students that go there from schools all around New Zealand.
So there's hundreds of school pupils, particularly on a Friday,
(04:41):
that go and then there's I know, lots of Aucklanders
who come down the motorway and go there. But it's
actually for everyone, so it is not just farmers, and
it's not just dairy farmers either.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
We've got well that's sort of why I threw that
dumb question in because I knew you had a little
bit of a pushback to go with that one.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I do, I do, I mean maybe one day. Originally
it was set up by largely dairy farmers, but it's
way broader than that. There's a big horticulture sector, there's
a forestry sector, science for farmers, there's sheep and beef.
There's advocacy like Federated Farmers, rural women, education. There's food
(05:22):
and there's lots of nice things that you can taste
that are slightly alcoholic as well.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's like you've got beer there. Actually you're away more
than the whisky.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Wine is so and beautiful food to taste this lot.
I mean it actually is showcasing internationally all our food
and fiber products for New Zealand, and we should be
really proud of that.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Is there a case to be I mean, it's in
New Zealand's makeup. It seems to me to be something
that we're all aware that Field Days goes on. It's
a big and it's a big day. I've been I
member going to field days when I was a kid,
and I wonder if we understate how what a big
date this is in our calendar culturally as New Zealanders.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Absolutely, and I think we also understate it's not in
those days. Probably Tim when you read it was like
you had to wear gum boots and everybody has that image.
But I can tell you that you can wear well,
I won't be wearing gum boots to go to field days,
and it's it's way more sophisticated than that now And
it depends what you want to see as well and
(06:28):
what you're looking for, what your interest is. But there's
absolutely everything there. But what I like about it is
every year is different. And bear in mind this is
our fifty seventh field days.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Wow, poorly have you been to field Days? Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, so I was when I was provis chancellor at
MESSI I used to go for a year. Yeah I
did wear gum boots.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It depends on the weather, not at all.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Look, look even in the rain, I just just wear
some hearty solid shoes.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah. No one's going to be getting around in stilettos.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
No, there's some excellent freebies there. It's a great day out.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You're an orchardist.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yes I am, Yes, Sam, what do you what do
you grow?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Apples?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And Zealand or New Zealand. We've grown the new generation
Galaxy and Dazzel for the Asian markets. We're part of
mister Apple and yeah, you know, just it's part of
what we do.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I think what we forget is that as Aucklanders actually
do invest, own and participate in the primary sector totally.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
From how far far afield to people is it basically
people from all around New Zealand just it's like a
magnet for everyone.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Just New Zealand, but also Australia, Europe, America, China, Korea, Ireland.
I mean from all around the world. People come principally,
I guess our biggest audience is probably from the North Island,
but not necessarily all wacott Or people either. They have plenty.
You've got Hawk's Bay, Manu Tu everywhere.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So how long have you been How long have you
been the chair of the National Field Society.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I'm in my third gen now, but I've actually been
on the board for over ten years. And besides being
on the board, I also run the kitchen for all
the volunteers, the police, all the voluntary services. So my
day actually starts at four am when we leave the farm,
and I might get home at ten o'clock that night.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Sounds like a big day, But do you spring out
a bed at three am going yippie it started? Of course?
Of course you're a rural girl from way back.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I am a rural girl from way back, starting following
my grandfather when I was a little tecker pulling wall
off dead cheap because wall was fifty percent of the income.
So you know, I know, farming from the front end,
the back end and everything in between.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Fantastic. Well, and we'll give it the shout out. Now
people are thinking that they might want to go down
to field Days because it kicks off on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Wednesday eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Do people need to buy tickets before they go? Can they? No?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
You buy it online.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's really easy. You just you know, buy field Days
app and you buy your ticket through the app and
an actual fact, can I promote the app because it
has absolutely all the information you need and you buy
your ticket seet It also gives you a map lists
all the exhibitors, which is.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Over twelve hundred field Days dot.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Just field Days apps.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I've got field Days Dot of course. Yeah, right, excellent,
get your tickets you won't get onto field Days out
and get on down there. If you've been thinking I
must go that sometimes I must go there sometimes, well
guess what, maybe this is the week for you to go.
Let's go on. We're going now we're going to talk
about others, some other things aside from rural issues. Of course,
the best headline I saw for this was World War
(09:47):
douche really, but Trump versus Musk. Now we've seen that
relationship blow up Paul and everyone's saying, of course, it
was always going to happen. It was, of course, But
I'll be honest, I thought that eventually that have a
falling out, but I didn't think it would be this dramatic,
(10:11):
This quack with this much sort of at least from Elon.
It's like he's been betrayed by his father or something. Yes,
it's like a Darth Vader Luke.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
You know, it's extraordinary, isn't it. I Mean, we knew
there would be a falling out, as you say, but
what a train wreck. And the comments about each other.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I know Elon.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Does point the finger a lot of people about sexual behavior,
but you know, just it's quite extraordinary. This this clash's
of these the richest man in the world versus the
most powerful man in the world.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, the thing that I was kind of surprised about
until Elon said that Trump wouldn't have won the election
without him. But I was quite surprised at initially Donald
Trump's his reaction to it was wasn't as combative. But
I think it's because deep down Donald Trump knows that
Elon Musk is worth four hundred billion dollars. What did
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you think about it, Jenny, Well, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Rather sad actually, because I mean, if you take away
the theatrics of it all, I mean, there is a
country there, there's there's people that have been involved, and
for the average American person, I wonder how they feel
about all of this, And I believe such side shows
really aren't free helpful for either America or actually for
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the rest of the world, because there's bigger issues than
those two egos.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, actually that you've Hodler at the right point, because
you almost forget that. The it first came up with
the elephant in the room was when Trump was sitting
next to the German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz, and I mean
Metz was well, they were talking about Ukraine and what
they were going to do there, and all of a
sudden that it does sort of it serve us pretty poorly,
doesn't it, Paul.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yes, it does. You mean the black Eye and the
rest of it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The oh just here they are supposed to be talking
about Ukraine and Russia and all that sort of thing,
and the headliners Musk and Trump having you know, having
a falling out.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
No, I mean it's extraordinary. I do think Tim, there's
an interesting dimension to this, and that is that it's
easy to criticize government, it's harder to be in government.
And I have some sympathy for Musk because Musk was
there to cut government expenditure. And the bill, the Big
Beautiful Bill, actually puts all of that debt back on
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the American government. So here's a right to be aggrieved
at this point.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I think, I think, I mean as most possibly a
self interest as well, but that's I didn't Trump say
j any that any president that ran a deficit should
basically be sacked. And yet he's running this massive deficit.
There's pressure on the US bond market, and the confidence
is gradually sort of I mean, the world's biggest economy,
and where's confidence at it? And you can speak from
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a real perspective, turf you like, well.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I think it's scary. I think that's what you know,
the confidence, And it's not just about America. It's about
the whole world trade scenario, which we've built over eighty
years since World War Two, and suddenly all of that
underlying rule of law and trade is being tipped upside down,
and that is absolutely scary for everybody. And That's what
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I find really sad about these two egos. But they
just have their disagreement in the back shed and move on,
because you know, we've got bigger issues like for everybody,
cost of living, costs of the wars. I mean, it's
not a happy place geopolitically at the moment.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
How does it affect trade from the point of view
of a global or the dairy and rural and all
the supports stuff people who might be I mean, does
it stress you out about what effect that might have?
Or do you think, look, we've got a great product,
We're going to sell it, We're always going to do
well well.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think you can take the glass half full of
the glass half empty, and I'm always a glass half full.
But I mean, our exporters are nervous. Why wouldn't you be.
I mean, because nobody knows. This is you territory being charted,
and it is scary, and it's yeah, it's very unnerving.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I've just come back from Germany and the whole of
Europe is just wondering what the hell is going to
happen next, That's right, it's the uncertainty it is.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And how do you plan and how do you actually
work your economy if you don't know what your export
future is going to be.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Actually, because Musk is now talking about setting up another
political party, do he want an alternative? Which I mean
he has the resources to do it if he wants
to pour his money into it, but I can't see.
I do wonder whether that means that Trump's going to
find it harder to get support from his Republican colleagues
who think, hell, I'm under the threat here. Maybe they
actually have to stand up for something apart from being
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a sicker fan of Trump, What do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I think that what we're doing is what he's doing
is putting people on the line and saying, where are
you loyalties? Muskers, and I think Trump's going to do
the same. So whether we said a fractioning of the
Republican Party, and particularly about the Big Beautiful Bill, because
have you noticed how many Republicans are saying, I did
not know that was in the bill and now yeah,
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and now that Musk has come out in opposition, it
gives them a mandate really to say, wow, perhaps I
need to revisit this.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
So the future is very.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Uncertain, I think for Trump at this point in terms
of that bill.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I know we're not supposed to be distracted by
the entertainment spectacle, but it is pretty entertaining.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, I guess it's easier from where we're sitting, isn't
it at the bottom of the world. And we also
have always been outward looking, not inwood locking, So I
guess you might say.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And there's not entertaining.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
There's not a single night when you watch your television
news when there isn't something like a sort.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Of quite a bit. It is quite a I mean,
it really is amazing times we're living in right now.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
By the way, just an easy text that somebody sent
in from Charlene just for for you, Jenny, and I
think I can almost answer this myself. It says, are
there animals for kids to look out at field days?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Unfortunately, no, there there's a few cheap and the odd cow.
But it's not really that sort of show, like there's
not horses and cows and sheep to pet. But there is.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
There is the Race of the Lawnmowers, isn't there?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
There is that's on Super Saturday, and that is actually
the red Ball cut it which has never been in
New Zealand before. Should be lots of fun.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But there's lots of things for kids.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
To do with oh heaps of things. And there's a
family zone in the in the Heritage Village, so it's
not that there isn't enough for kids to do. And
as Paul said, there's plenty of free beast help their just.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Quickly the race of the lawnmowers. Do they actually have
the blades on for that thing that they actually have
to cut some grass? Or is it just literally there's
no blades. No, No, they're just souped up the car.
I think they should have a strip of grass to
cut too. I mean, anyway, Look, we'll be back in
just a moment. This is the panel. My guest to
Jenny Verner, she's chairperson for New Zealand National Field Day Society,
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and Paul Spoonley, sociologist Emeritus Professor at Massive University. I'm
well outranked and we'll be back in just a moment.
It's twenty four past three.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
When I was just a baby, my mama told me son,
always be a good boy, don't ever flee with's God.
But I shot a man in renal just a wadumnu.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And welcome back to the Weekend. Collective. We've got a
little bit of a country vibe going on, only because
one of my panelists today is Jenny Vernon. She's a
chairperson for New Zealand National Field Days, which kick off
this week on Wednesday. And anyway, and we're with Paul
Spoonley as well, who's joining us for the panel. Now
onto other things. Now, the UK, if there's a new
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defense strategy that's unfolding. They're committing to their largest increase
in defense spending since the end of the Cold War,
and it's pretty sort of sobering stuff. Anyway, there are
sixty two recommendations from this strategic review. Defense review are
going to be implemented and it includes an enhanced nuclear deterrence, drones, swarms,
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autonomous weapons, long range missiles upgrade at F thirty five
and typhoon fighter jets. The Defense Secretary it's aimed at
making Britain secure at home strong abroad. I mean sort
of feels that everyone is having to nail their colors
to the master. But isn't it poor when it comes
to perceived global instability and insecurity and all that sort
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of thing. What are you read?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Absolutely China, but of course the Ukraine Russian War. I
think all of us need to review it, and I
think the paper is interesting. What struck me was firstly
that the UK's going Europe. They've obviously, I mean obviously
America is not as multilateral as it was under Trump,
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and so the UK has made its stance firm. It
is going with NATO. So that's the first thing. And
I think the second thing is that war readiness that
you talked about needs to involve much greater technology, significant
increase in defense spending up to three percent. The question
I think that all of us need to ask in
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every country is where does that spending come from? Where
do you get the money to do that? Because three
percent is huge.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, well, of course we've had our own spend up announced.
But it's interesting. The thing that the thing that stuck
out for me there, Jenny, was that the drone swarms
in on Thomas weapons and as we've seen to spectacular
effect that the attack from Ukraine on to those air
bases in Russia, and how effective they were with some
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fairly in terms of the big picture of things, fairly
inexpensive technology. But of course Britain has been a big
supporter of Ukraine and helping train troops and things like that.
So it is adding a bit of metal to the
whole Ukraine situation as well. What's your take on the announcement?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, I think, as I said j Tim before, it
also provides opportunities, doesn't it for innovation? And here we've
got a new Zealand Taronga drine company sixty six million
dollars worth of a contract with the UK Defense Department.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So it's what extraordinary is it? Is? It is you
wouldn't link twoingo, would you with defense spending drone technology
for military purposes? Would you not? At all?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
So I guess out of all of this, and you know,
with NASA and some of the space exploratory work and
even our own rocket lab, all of that technology has
other uses other than perhaps what we traditionally would expect
it to be used for, Like we use a drone
to spray gorse and suddenly here you've got a drone
that is doing defense work.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I mean, it is quite it is quite extraordinary, Paul.
I mean how much do you this do you think
is directly connected with Russia versus I mean, do we
worry about China? We've seen the Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think we I think we need to worry about
both Russia and China in terms of expansion and soft
power as well as hard power. So no, no, I
think I think the world is entering a new era.
I think there's a degree of uncertainty in Europe and
made worse by, of course, the Trump factor, which I've
already mentioned. I just think we need to be much
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more focused on this new environment and the Ukraine war
if nothing else has shown you what the new way
of fighting. I mean, it's got very traditional aspects to it,
but the drones is just the whole thing that I
never had was aware of previously.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I mean, it's amazing that that that particular attack by
Ukraine with the drones to Russia was what are over
eight year and months, a year and a half, which
actually does make me wonder. I don't think that people
plan one attack and that's it. See if I was
in Russia's shoes, you'd be wondering what else They've got planned,
because it's not just going to be one thing. They'll
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have been planning ahead. And obviously the people who planned
this attack, I mean it's quite sti strategic, strategic and ingenius,
to be honest, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But it's made us, hasn't it made us all sit
up a bit straight in our chairs about all of
this now, which we may have been slightly complacent about
that the world is just going to carry on like
it's done.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So, oh, we were totally complacent, really, weren't we? Point
we were? We were?
Speaker 4 (22:43):
And I mean the thing about Trump to harp on
about that is that it's we have relied upon the US,
and we have relied on the US being a good
partner and an international leader, and that apparently is being
diminished at the moment.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So what do we do?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
How do we respond to that? And I think absolutely
we need to talk about defense policy, what it means.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Actually to be fair too old trumpy, I mean, not
being fair. But he actually, in a way has done
long term I think actually he's done global stability. He
might have inadvertently done global stability of favor because he's
put it's because he's sort of shocked Europe into realizing
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you can't always count on us, and so if Europe
builds its strength up, Trump's not going to be hopefully
the MAGA movement, well, the isolationist US, We've seen it before.
I mean took a long time before America got dragged
into World War two. Yeah, until Pearl Harbor, which was
the best news that Churchill had ever received, really so.
But I mean him signaling that Europe had to pull
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its socks up probably wasn't a bad thing all around,
was it. Jenny, you got to have taken that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think that you know exactly what Paul said, that
we have relied on American money, American strength, the American
economy being the biggest in the Western world, and maybe
we just took that too much for granted, And bear
in mind it's actually the American taxpayers who are funding
all of that, and there was a perhaps a equilibrium
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bringing it back in a balance that was required, which
maybe Trump has done in an unusual way perhaps, but
he has done it.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
The endgame might be that Europe becomes the dominant world correct,
So a combined Europe that becomes the dominant world power
in terms of particularly defense, but also trade, but.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Also food as well.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, speaking of speaking of international things as well, this
I've got to be interested to know what your gut
reaction to this, because before you read too much, you
sort of I have an instant reaction to the open
letter that's been signed by what's been described as a
high power group of former political leaders so who have
urged Prime Minster Christopher Luxen to restate New Zealand's commitment
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to the China partnership. It's former Labor Prime Ministers Helen
Clark and Sir Jeffrey Palmer and former National Party leaders
to Don Brash and Labor former National Party had crepture
ministers speak of our David Carter. So they've aired their
concerns about the government's defense relationship with the United States
and what it could mean for the China relationship. I'll
be honest. I saw Don Brash's name there and I
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saw China and I went next. But I don't know
why did you think? I think, Well, I think he's
got he's got some connections with China. I think in
some boards or something that made me think. I don't
know whether you're the impartial voice on this, but Helen Clark,
I mean, they're all respected people, but I tend to
think I don't know. Well, I think it had left
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the room. Yeah, maybe you should leave the room, yes.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
But I think it highlights for me anyway, the uncertainty
in terms of is China our enemy or is China
our major trading partner. So we've got a very fine line.
And what this letter does is highlight again that difficult
relationship that we're going to have with China. Do we
complain about the higas and what's happening there or do
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we continue to reinforce, particularly with America doing what it's doing,
our trading links with China.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
But is it any different from when David Longi, for example,
we became nuclear free and America was a big trading
partner and I liken this too, climbing a seven wire
fence on the farm and the top wire is the
barbed wire, and you're delicately balanced. You do not want
to fall either side in a hurry. And New Zealand
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we are a trading company country and it's about free
trade and we've always been delicately balanced with the UK
when you know they were going into EO. This is China.
We've been there with America, we're working with other Asian companies.
So is it any different than what we're always been
doing or Jenny, you wouldn't want to get caught on
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the battle decisely that's my thing, and I guess that's
what this letter is about. Be careful, you may get caught.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I mean, the thing is that I just tend to
think that if we've got stuff that the rest of
the world wants to buy, and if China lights our products,
it's going to continue to buy our products. And look
the idea that I don't know whether I don't actually
know what the letter means, because I have a fairly
high amount level of trust in our Trade minister Tom maclay.
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I think he's excellent, and I think Winston and our
foreign minister, Yeah, and our foreign Minister Winston as well
as our foreign minister. We've got a pretty good team there.
I'm not sure they need the advice of Helen and
Don and David and anyway.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I think the elephant in the room is UCUS. So
whether or not we're going to commit to ucas, particularly
the second pillar. So if we do that, then we
put our stampower commitment to the US, And whether that
then aggravates the Chinese, I agree with you, Tim. I
think the Chinese are going to trade their into prominence
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because they've got some challenges themselves in terms of both
economics and demography, but I think they're going to want
to continue to trade with New Zealand and other countries
as a way of then bolstering their position in the world.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah. I mean, I just tend to think that, oh,
we be a bit better, be careful. I think if
we've got dispense concerns, we should form whatever alliance we
want to and trade looks after itself separately. I think
that there's too much of this. Oh, we did not
do this book because we might aggravate them. I don't know,
I'm not quite.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We've got five minutes to talk about it. Of course,
I'm going to simplify it, tell you what we actually
You've reminded me that we not only have to simplify it,
we have to abbreviate it. So we're going to come
back with some conversations on some other stuff very shortly,
including your view of the punishments that were dished out
to the Mari Party members for well as we all
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know that story, don't we, and the response to It's
twenty one minutes to four. This is News talks 'b rolling, Rolling, Rolling, Roll, Roll, rolled,
the roll, roll, hold and rolled. Yes, the country themes
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keep rolling rolling rolling, because at one of our panelis today.
I'm Tim Beverage, by the way, welcome back, well, welcome
in if you've just joined us as Jenny Vernon, chairperson
for the New Zealand for National Feedo field Day Society.
And Paul Spoonley is with us too, sociologist emeritus professor
at Massive University. Now, boy, that well, it's it's just
about it's all over bar the shouting maybe even the
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shoutings just about over with it or will it ever be?
But the Tapati Mari MPs the vote has finally happened.
So co leaders debbing Garu were Packer and Rawity Yt
being suspended for twenty one days. It's without pay. MP
Hannah Rafferty might be Clark suspended for seven days. I
was surprised, tell you. One thing I was surprised about
was that Jerry Brownly the speaker, didn't seem to be
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there for some of the debate or any of it. No,
it was Barbara.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Kruger and Tangke who were in the in the chair
and they had a I don't know whether you watched it,
but man, it was fiery.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Oh well I saw some bits of it. What do
you think, what do you think of the punishment. I'll
go to you first, Paul.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I've got two views on this.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I think it was one on one side of the bar.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No, I think it's the government, not Parliament, exerting the
punishment here. But the second thing is the person who
made most sense in the debate was Adrian Rufi, who
actually said, let's take a step back and think about this,
and he made some really interesting comments about tarian naturia,
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and he made some suggestions about how they should deal
with these sorts of issues in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And I thought he was the voice well here, should
have challenged it to party Mary. But did they go
about business?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
No he did.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
No, he did, and it was right to do. But
you know, were they given an opportunity to apologize. They're
saying today they didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Ah, and well no no, but they didn't even front up.
They breached the they breached the confidentiality of the findings.
Is they treated They couldn't have done more to aggravate it.
It's a bit like if I killed someone instead of
compleading self defense, going yeah, I stabbed in twenty times
and the bars deserved to die. And I'm not ashamed
of doing it, and I'm not even going to turn
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up to the trial, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I mean, but they do have choices, don't they. And
they could have actually gone to the speaker and said, actually,
we're very passionate about this and that we would like
to express that with the harker and harkers have been
done before in parliament, so they did have that choice,
and they do know the rules of Parliament, so again,
and they could have apologized as well.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Well, you know, the thing is, how often this is
getting us putting this to one side, this particular issue.
But how often do we ever do we hear politicists
and saying, oh, it's going to go to the Privileges Committee,
the very powerful privileged privileges Committee, and you know, someone
makes an apology and it's all the very powerful Privileges Committee,
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which never seems to do anything other than slap people
over the rest with a wet bus ticket, maybe half
a day's suspension. Muldoon got something, you know, I can't
remember what it was, if you when he was drunk
or something. But finally they've actually dished out a punishment
that seems to actually fit the crime.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I thought that there should have been much stronger punishments
in pres occasions, because well, what do we either have
standards and we have consequences, or we have or the
very powerful Privileges Committee. What's going to happen. Well, you're
going to have to say, sorry, it's really bad.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Can I can I make a point there? I don't
think the privilege the Privileges Committee are the MP's sitting
in judgment on them. I would actually prefer something more independent. Yeah,
but I mean, you know, and then it becomes just
a matter of politics.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Politics.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, Look, I mean the funny thing is
you know that they suspended the vote so the Mari
Party so Rahwiti and Debbie could participate in the budget
debate and they didn't even turn up. No poorest attendance
record of any MP's I think you'll find as well.
Probably worth mention throwing that one. But tell you what,
let's take the break now and we'll come back with
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a couple more things. This is the panel on News
talks'd be Jenny Vernon and Paul Spoonley, my guests, It's
what is the time for thirteen minutes before.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I have stumbled on something substantial.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I was speaking of mine.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well we continue that rural theme. There's a little bit
of fred d Gosh, how how old? How long ago
fred dag make it his first appearance Jenny on Country Calendar?
Would it be the seventies? Easily seventy six? When and
that used to They used to did it dead pan
and the audience had to work out for themselves. I
don't think this guy's sons are all called treev.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
All nine or eleven of them, though I'm sure they're not.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I think we even had we even had fred Dagg's
greater hits as a record in our record collection. I
can still probably quote some of the twenty first birthday speech.
You know, it's like, could somebody please date missus Bayless
out of the wall press? Thank you and we miss them?
Jenny Vernon and Paul Spernley. And my guess for the
panel now, actually Works Safe would be a I mean
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Field days. It must be a bit of nightmare for
you guys. There's been some changes and they're trying to
sort of remove excessive road cones I think is their
way of selling it. But what do you make of
the whole Work Safe and the changes they're looking.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Well, it's huge and as you've picked up, I mean,
we've got between thirty and forty thousand people in a
gully on any one particular day at days it works
safe and issues of making sure people get there safely
and go home safely and the experience and at field
days is safe is huge and we do. It's a
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huge duty is the board and staff and all our
exhibitors to make sure everyone is safe, and it is
a very big deal.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I just think all I can think of is the
lawnmar race, which just anything that has sort of something
that's designed to cut grass as a race sounds like
a sounds like a health and safety has it, doesn't it?
Paur It does indeed, although I think they should do
it with the blades on and they should have to
cut grass. But then we really would be in trouble,
wouldn't we.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
We might be. But I mean, just if you think
of all the exhibitors and they all need electricity, they
all need water to every site, and then you've got
you know, vehicles building all these houses and big pavilions
and all the marquees. It is huge for us.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
They are trying to make it a bit simpler the
Health and Safe I think they're talking. They obviously don't
want to loosen the reins on dangerous activities, but I
mean it's such a difficult balance, isn't it poor.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
It is it is, and I would point people to
the report that the Business Leaders did last year on
health and safety. We do not rank well internationally. Our
fatality rate is coming down, but it's much higher than
the Australia. In the UK, and they identified some things
like the fact that work Safe was reactive with and proactive.
There was a lot of mistrust and I do think
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we need to look at Australia and particularly the UK,
who do the enforcement and advice much better than we do.
And it does worry me that we're going in a
particular direction which doesn't take on board the examples and
the suggestions from the Business Leaders report.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Last and Paul has a point. I mean, sadly, agriculture
does not have a stunning record. If you look at
the accidents zon you know, side by sides and quad
bikes and tractors, I think you know, she'll be right.
Attitude just doesn't cut it anymore.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
No, speaking of I mean that was just about fred
Dag's slogan, wasn't it She'll be right? Or the rural
sort of throwaway line, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Can I add one thing? The thing that struck me
is that work accidents in this country cost US four
billion dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It is not small.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And so I do think we need to take this seriously.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Speaking of taking things seriously, we haven't really got much
time yet. Are you're going to get down to the
book sellers to get just Sder's memoir, either of you?
I probably will.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I'll have a look at I'm interested in political memoirs generally,
so you know I'm interested in political memoirs, so you
know she and look, as I said before, I just
come back from Germany, I cannot believe her international profile. Yes,
it's just stunning.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yes, I mean when I say I cannot believe her
international profile, I mean I cannot believe the international profile
in terms of I mean, I'm not a fan of
the way she ran in the country, to be honest,
but I guess I take it as an opportunity to
think of what is the best memoir you've ever read?
And there are some. It's a good excuse if you're
(38:14):
thinking of looking into a biography. There are probably a
few other good ones you could check out if you
got a favorite biography or the Actually.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
I'm with Paul on this, I quite like memoirs from
political leaders because I don't think New Zealanders appreciate how
tough it actually is to be a politician in New Zealand,
doesn't matter what level, and that an actual fact behind
it all. They are just human like the rest of us.
And I think that's where you see sometimes the other
(38:42):
side of politics. And like for example, at Field Days
you can walk round on Wednesday and see from Prime
Minister all the ministers, members of Parliament opposite where else
in the world can you actually have access to those people,
And so something like a menoir. I mean my last
one I read was Michael Cullins. I loved it because
(39:03):
they are clever people and whatever side of the spectrum
are and it is a very special person that wants
to be a politician.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You could say that in all sorts of ways. It's
a very special person. It's all in the intonation ladies
and gentlemen. And Jenny Vernons nailed it. Does she mean
that as a compliment or is that the slightly there
a bit of a back even she says, you take
that the way you want him. It's like you take
that the way you want to anyway. Hey, look it's
(39:37):
it's time to say goodbye. I almost feel like we
need to play the Mickey Mouse unit. Now it's time
to say goodbye to all our company. M I c K.
Why thanks so much for Johnny's you've got a little
shout out.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You also want to shout out to Angus in Blenham
who's just about to change houses. And as a listener
to the show.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Oh well, good on you, Angus, Angus. And now I'm
thinking of Angus.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I'm back to steaks and the field Days and there's
plenty of those at field Days.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm pleased to hear it now again look field Days
dot co, dot ens and check out what's on offer
and why if you're a New Zealander and you haven't been,
it's your national duty to get your butt to field
Days and the journey. Absolutely good stuff right where. We'll
be back in just a moment for the one roof
radio show. We're going to do guest in the studio
talking about, you know, how to save money when it
(40:22):
gets a bit cold and winter this is News talk
S ed B. We can collective. It is three minutes
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