October 31, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by real estate agent Luke Dallow, and Taxpayers' Union Executive Director Jordan Williams, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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Speaker 1 (02:43):
Tim Beveridge on the Weekend Collective called oh eight hundred
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Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, and my panelist today. I think last week I
said both have more titles than Prince Andrew, which does
become even more truer. But I'm not sure these guys
actually do have titles, but they do have descriptions. Firstly,
he is a real estate agent, a restaurateur, restrateur. Does
sound quite flash, doesn't it, And his.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Name is Luke Dela. Luke, how are you going very
well to very well? I'm just coming down from a
sugar rush from the truck and treating last night, and
oh did you do the Halloween?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Did?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I was just watching everyone and just stealing all the
lollies of the kids.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
But it was quite interesting seeing half of Auckland coming
to Herne Bay and walking one with pillow cases full
of lots.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The word got round that Herne Bay's the place for
the good hoot and the loot.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
That's it. That's where you get the lute bay. No
one is Saint Mary's Bay.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Okay, do you sort of just walk over to Herne
Bay to sort of mix with the filthy.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Rich Winston and I do?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
He yes, he could do trek and treating, and people go, god,
that's a good Winston Peter's description.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Actually, wouldn't that be great?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That would be a great campaigning move for Winston. Anyway,
before we hear the rich tone of his voice, he's
executive director of the Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And it's Jordan Williams.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Good afternoon, how are you going very very well the
Halloween patch? I am very embarrassed because you guys asked
how is your Halloween? And I came. I got stuck
in Wellington last night despite having asked friends and friends
kids around to join. So my poor other half was
left hosting by herself. But I can report that Saint
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Heleis is doing a lot better, improving every year on
the Halloween quality. And the other thing that we did
a little bit of a stint yesterday with or skip
with the Texpayers Union and that labour. Obviously, you know
the spooky CGT text that we're going to get onto
and what it actually means. But it's really noticeable just
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over the last five years, the degree to which our
very lovely boomers that support the Taxpayers Union used to
get very angry when we would make Halloween jokes.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
This is an American holiday. It's terrible.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I think they're starting to come around now.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It still doesn't feel like it's really I imagine being
in America for Halloween must be quite phenomenous.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Everyone's doing it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's like if you've not done Halloween in the US,
it's like doing It's like doing your fish Christmas in Europe.
It's I get it now.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I like my idea of you could probably pull it off.
You know, I don't know who could pull this off.
Maybe Heather could when she takes it, because she could
just call Winston and say can you come with us?
Imagine if you took Winston with you, he's your trick
or treat out fit.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
People would people.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Would look at him, go, man, that god costume?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That that leather and the hair?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
What was that Adam's family the bald headed guy. Uh,
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Unclesta supposed to call him Uncle Fessta. You assured me
that this wasn't the normal lefty panel already.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, that's probably your names terrible, that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Is that is terrible, Luke, You're a very naughty boy.
Sorry anyway, Hey, look we better get onto now. Speaking
of just calling people names or not calling people names,
that actually was a bit of a bombshell yesterday was
it the day before? Now that Andrew is no longer
Andrew will no longer be known as the Prince, He's
going to be known as Andrew Mount Batton Windsor still
sounds quite Poshiti, to be honest, to stick Mount Batton
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in the middle of you know, were you surprised, Jordan?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
There's not a controversy around the mount Batten as the
middle name. That was apparently one of the arguments around
who would what the what the now King would receive
in terms of the surname. That was a if you
I haven't believe all that stuff. You're not you don't
follow the rural, the rural, the royal rural.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I can't quite remember.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I do remember something around the whole mounta Batton thing,
and I just.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Couldn't quite remember.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Down for twelve hours and watch the watch the what's
the incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
The crown, the Crown, the Crown.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, it's covered widely in that, I mean, and that's
surely where you get, surely historical information on the internal
politics the royal fan Have they.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Wrapped the crown up? Is it still filming? Because they'd
be the makers would be thinking, god, we can do
a great one on this one, Andrew being.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Stripped of his royal title. But let's get onto the
top end of that. Were you surprised, not at all.
I mean, it's done, it's done. It's the only issue
in the UK that is that is United British politics.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It's one of those it's one of those panel topics
that when the producer puts down you look at it
and you think no one's going to disagree on this.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Actually, the more you look into I haven't read Virginia
Geophrase book. But the bits that I've excerpts and the
bits about it of what went on and what Gallain
Max were and and what's Epstein? God, they were what
an awful, awful couple of human beings they were? So,
I mean, Andrew's toast, isn't.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
He hit scratcher that's come out in the last few weeks,
was that the two princesses and saw Epstein after he'd
been out of prison.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's just it's crazy, all that conspiracy stuff. It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
No, no, it was. It's as as you get the
slow drip feed of detail, it just gets worse and
worse because they you sort of for the last ten
years you've sort of thought, oh, he's either real evil
or just unbelievably stupid and naive. But now it's without
a doubt, it's on one side of that leader.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I was surprised, Oh, who Andrew or Epstein or they like?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I take Epstein as red. Sorry, sorry, he's deide to
make the panel interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
We're just getting to know each other about Luke. Were
you surprised? I was surprised it came so short hot
on the heels of considering they actually hadn't stripped him
with the duke title. They had, he'd agreed to stop
using it. The other one required an Act department. All
of a sudden, he's no longer Prince Andrew.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I wasn't surprised at all.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I think Charlie did a great job just stripping my
straight away. Get moving on, move the problem on. And
he's put shame on the royal family. But hey, look
he's got a good wardrobe. He's got more double bristed
suits than Wisdon, Peters and h and he's just a
normal citizen. Now he's just going to go local part.
But I reckon the injuw should go on a speaking circuit.
(09:08):
Oh my god, that would be great.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Could you imagine the topics? Could you imagine the topics?
Crisis pr how not to do an interview?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, the lessons I learned, I don't think out of
trouble a guide. I don't think he's learned a lessons
from this, though, I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Very naive to it all, isn't.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He Actually I saw an opinion from someone I think
might have been the Telegraph Royal watcher saying this is
the biggest threat to the monarchy since the abdication, which
I think is bollocks actually, because I think actually people
look at Andrew and they look at him completely separated
the way they view William Caton and Charles.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
What do you think Jordan's agree? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Absolutely. The other shoe to drop, though, is the lease
on this incredible property. And he said, you know, he's
just a normal guy. He's a normal guy that in
his sixties, he's never cooked a meal for himself in
his life. But he had to give up that lease
before the Queen died. And the deal that he had,
it's like one hundred and fifty year least or something
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that was supposed to be locked down. So the question
is is how did Charles convince him to do it?
What's the other side of that legion.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I thought that there.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Was something because the headlines said that Charles had taken
action under the lease or something, and I don't know
what that means. Whether there was a clause about bringing
the royal family into repute.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, I heard that as well, So I think that's
what he got well and truly done that.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah previously.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Isn't it amazing to see how far he has fallen
Back in the days where he was mischievously and sort
of admiringly referred to as Randy Andy when he was
the World War you know, when he was the Falkland
War veteran, and he was a bit of a got around.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Got around in a woman's dormitory, and that that was
where the Randy Andy.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, so it started all the line, but it wasn't.
But it wasn't like there was approbrium heaped upon him
at that time. It was like, I wasn't he a
naughty boys sort of thing? And he had a relationship
with some famous actress coup Stark or something, and all
sorts of relationships.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But I'm just.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's just amazing how the wheel has come full circle
and he's now I don't know how you describe his
status right now, but lower than as.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He's just a man in a pub or is I can't.
I don't know why this suspression is coming to me.
It's lower.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He's lower than a snake's ass in a wagon run.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Don't know, watch comedian. I'm acquoting there. Let's move on, though,
Shall we just leave you with that one? I have
no idea what that one popped on from.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And Jordan's going, this is quite a different vibe from
the huddle. Y.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It is a bit, It is a bit.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Anyway, Hey, look just I'm not sure if this is
something we touch on quickly, but I am worried a
little worried about the measles now, given that they don't
seem to be able to trace down every case case.
I think I saw that the number of cases is
at fourteen, including Auckland Grammar school levels of immunity.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I'm quite sort.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Of cross at people, And I guess what do we
have that all the conspiracy around COVID to blame our
suspicions around vaccines, Luke.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Look, I had measles as an adult when I was
forty and as the worst thing ever.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And I asked my mother when you were what forty? Ouch?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yes, just move a couple of inches away.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You're okay. Now I think he's as a result of
having caught it.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yeah, the next thing, I'll get his shingles probably, but anyway,
chicken pox.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
At least the shingles, thank you.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I won't get shingles then, because I asked my mother
did I get a vaccinator vaccinated back when I was
a kid, And she goes, no, you got the measles,
but I was the youngest of seven, so she probably
got a little bit confused. But I'm recommending everyone to
get a vaccination, and you know, not just saying that
because it is a horrible thing to have in your adulthood.
And lucky you probably had my kids prior to that too,
because you never know, you know. But that's as COVID
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has put probably a bit of scare and people to
get the vaccinated, but just get out of there and
vaccinate yourselves.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, any thoughts on it, Jordan?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, the first, it's very clearly much much bigger, and
it's circulating much more than we're actually in the cases
that we know of, and of course measles is far
more able to transmit contagious. But the thing that is
scary is just that for the kids that before you
can get you know, the young babies that are particularly vulnerable.
(13:18):
It's not about getting sick, frankly, it's about kids dying
that worries me. With The first was the sort of
small outbreak about five or six years ago, was when
just prior to COVID, actually my other half, who's a
pediatric nurse, was absolutely terrified of it and were very
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careful indeed, and back then was saying this it might
not be this year, but at some point we are
so vulnerable to a mass breakout, and this does look
like it.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It was.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
On the other side of the coin, it was pretty
good to see the government yesterday or the Chief head
Honcho of Health making clear to the schools, do not close.
This is going to get a lot worse, but do
not close. I think that the government is trying to
ride two horses at the same time here that they
want to deal with it efficiently, but also know that
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one of arguably one of the mistakes whitch you know,
I think it was a major mistake with COVID was
that the very institution you should be.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Closing last schools.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah, we close first, and I think this government is
determined not to do that again because we're now seeing
the downstream effects of that from twenty twenty. And also
if you do have if you do have both doses
of the vaccine, you're ninety seven percent I don't want
to use the word ninety seven percent safe, but I
think you know, it's a very effective vaccine, very effective.
So we rates and of course that for a section
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of the population that heard over and over again. Very
totally save, completely effective sort of thing that is a
harder sale unfortunately because of that breakdown a trust as
a society, I'd argue as a result of COVID.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So get yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
If you are not vaccinated for the measles, go and
get done for goodness sake, and if you've got any questions,
spect with your doctor, I would say, be the best
best bit of advice, wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I I'm amazed how many people having at the MMR.
That just blows my mind, given how how.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well some communities it's seventy percent. You know that's anyway right, Okay, look,
we're going to take a break, come back and just
a quick cup of teena lie down after those thoughts,
and we'll be back in just a moment. It's twenty
two minutes past three.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
News Talk, said b set in Aloidoids.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel
of my panelist. I'm Te Beverage. By the way, my
panelists are Luke Dallo and Jordan Williams and guys, the
New Zealand Initiative reckons that we need a four year term.
I mean, this has been a debate that's been going
for a while, but they've at least their report and
to their recommendations on the way we sh be structuring
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our parliament and legislatory es a four year term. And
here's the one that's a really hard sell. Fifty more MPs.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I did talk back on this the other night and
I said, can one person find a reason we need
fifty more MPs?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And I and I came up blank after hours of
talk back.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I'm going to go because I think I'm pretty sure
that Jordan's gonna have some hot takes on this. I'm
going to start with you, Luke.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I agree to a four year extention. I think it's
very very it's needed. I mean, time you get in
and you can you find the photocophy and you're out,
you know it's you know, it's you really do need it.
But I think on the MP side of things, I
think we need to remove the obsolete ones absolute what
few portfolios to fewer MPs. I mean, you've got I've
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got Ai. Now they'll get rid of a couple, you
got the youth Justice. I mean they could go and
are you talking about ministers? Yeah, minister ministers, Yeah, they
want to reduce the number of ministers. Yeah, minister, sorry, yes,
so I think reduce them.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So I'm pretty keen to do that on the bit. Okay, Jordan,
Well look the text pass.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You work a lot with the New Zealand Initiative. I mean,
these guys are the cren de la cream of New
Zealand's economic think tanks and brains. And I read this
report and I just thought, it's so feels so good
to know that such people, they so much more intelligent
than me, can be so wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Can we have a Hallelujah?
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I do.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I'm sorry object, it's somehow they've constructed a report and
and and he's a good friends of mine. I'm going
to get stick for the text messages, center them off it.
I don't care that you're gonna increase will reduce the
number of elections, but somehow increase accountability. Oh come on,
And as we're increasing the number of MP's, they are arguing, well,
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government's too bad. There's far toso many ministers. You can't
get affect decision making. There's more mb report to more
ministers than the number of ministers they don't report to.
Like it's a it's a total spaghetti in terms of
lines of accountability. But somehow adding more MPs is going
to make governments smaller. I'm sorry, that's nonsense. You could argue,
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if you're gonna have more MPs, you'd add a second house,
because the way most of the world does it is
they have two houses of Parliament a lower house. Yeah,
we have an upper got rid of its upper house.
So if you did that and maybe directly elected them
as you know, some sort of senate, then you would
be increasing accountability and then that re equid pro quo
for a longer term, but simply reducing it while increasing
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the number of backbench list MPs that, to be frank,
are more accountable to the business like MMP, more accountable
to the party rather than the marginal.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, that's actually one of the conversation points that it
often comes up and talk back because people are are
less enamored with m MP They would like the electorate MPs,
those votes the FPP side of things to carry more weight,
which means I'd probably favor a slightly different form of
what we got.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
That's that's something to remember, you something.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
To me to remember. Yeah, but look, fifty.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
More MPs all I could find was in the New
Zealand Initiative report and it talked about the cube root
law suggests an optimal parliamentary size is the cube root
of a country's sorry.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I mean those smart people.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah. And actually here's the other reason I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't support a four year term is because I
and this is maybe it's a bit of a hot take.
I just thought, if we had amazing parliamentarians who will
work their butts off to represent their constituencies and we're
dedicated to the cause as opposed to the sort of
the mess that we see of our own MMP right now,
I want the option to get rid of them as
soon as possible bing go.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So that is where I think this report has got
the sort of the wrong way round. And I see
a lot of particularly sort of the political academics no
offense do you'll producer, but those with political degrees where
they think that the purpose of the democracy is representation,
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totally disagree with that. The purpose of democracy is the accountability.
It's not then any of the clearlymoscopy doesn't clearly. But
the reason it works so well is you can hit
the eject button. It's why I think MMP is really flawed.
Is it's really hard to hit the eject button that
if it is about representation, surely it is about the
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representation of finding the preferences of the median voter. Well,
this report and the gain respect to the New zeal initiative,
they arguing to reduce the five percent threshold down, which
means the problem of the tail wagging the dog is
more likely, it's even worse, and therefore you get again
one of the problems with the MP is it doesn't
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get you to where the median voter is sitting. You
can get quite unpredictable results where the you know, it's
not yes, there was the art doing thing, but to
be frank, what we see it under the proportion representation
systems in Europe where a bunch of the losing parties
get together and you get quite unpredictable end results.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Prot you bag first past the post quite.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Easy actually if a bit interesting to see if there was,
if there was another referendum, how people would go with that,
because we do have MPs that we like. People love
Winston he got an on m MP, but I must
have mad I'm nostalgia for the FPP.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Those are two extremes so you got on on one
side that almost guarantees minority government m MP and all that.
On the other end you've got first part the post
and almost guarantees you know, because we don't.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Have enough house all that.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
It's it's sort of it's all powered whoever Wednes every
three years. So something in the middle you me. We
mentioned earlier it was pemetary member where you party vote
counts but only for the list of the MP and
the and the actual So you get the small parties in,
but less likely that the whole the balance of power,
et cetera. And you have the electoral electric votes actually
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matter too. Now some argue, but hang on, what about
those safe speed seats where you know, the NATS or
labor could you know, run a donkey and still get don't. Well,
you get that under any system, and we have that
now with listening MPs, you've got it's like economics, look
at the margins. The problem is without the margins, if
you're worried about you're not going to be into parliament,
you want to favor the party, get a high list ranking,
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whereas at least back then you want to favor with
the public views.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Oh I think it's a select The criteria is selecting
your minister. I mean anyone can go for politics, right anyone.
But I think you need to have what I get
annoyed with. You've got to have life skills. You've got
to know what's already had.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You need to know to frying egg ballist bud do
the shopping. You need to have a job.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's the part.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That's two.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
The party is doing a poor job of candidate selection.
But also politics is bloody unattractive if you if you've
got This is the point point coming Cummings is making
the UK that the breast and the best and brightest
a couple of generations ago win to the military of
the public sector or to public service. That is not
the case now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I think that what I detect from people I talk
to on the talk back is that people putting aside
which system we've got. I think people really feel that
a lot of MPs are disconnected from from a particular
constituency as opposed to their party. They're so aligned with
their party. Party politics rules the day, and I think
people would love to know that there's there's more people
who have been electored elected by a constituency and are
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going to work hard for that group of people, rather
than the sort of a morphous you know, you know
MMP sort of, or.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It's performance of representation. It's it's sort of we need
that demographic group and that demographic group. It's it's yeah,
but again that's that it's about representation, whereas I'd argue
it's about accountability.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I know, I think I agree with you ultimately, but
I just think there's that other side of how closely
connected each MP is to some constituency as aside from
the party.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's what I meant, But yeah, I agree with you,
keep them accountable.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Look, let's move on to another really easy one to
have a chat about. Labor has unveiled its capital games
Well did Labor really unveil its capital games policy? I
mean this has been gone for a few days now,
so we don't need to flog it too much.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It was leaked someone else did.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It was like they jumped before they were pushed sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Anyway, Look, I don't mind the notion of the CGT
just to get in early, but the problem I have
with it is one I don't trust Labour's implementation on
any tax policy because before you know, it, they'll removed
interest deductibility and that'll cause a whole lot of other
problems with rents going up and things.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
But here's the other thing. If they wanted to get
a bigger.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Tax take and they wanted a CGT, say you bring
in a CGT, just don't prompt don't tell me you're
going to instantly spend it on something. I just feel
it's like, so we're going to do this so we
can spend some more money, when in fact, if you
want to increase the tax take by not very much,
then maybe just increase the tax take and say you
think this is a fair way of doing tax I
don't get overly excited about the cgts. How plenty of
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other countries have lived with a CGT. We're probably in
the minority. Because I know you'll be a hot take
on this Jordan loot.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The first do you reckon.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I think it's headlining for the labor government, you know,
just getting and putting something out there as statement. But
I'm not in favor of the kepital gains tax. I mean,
in New Zealand we're quite unique that we don't have it.
And who's really going to get affected from it as
mar and par the big landlords out there like Freelander,
they never sell things. It's always stuck in their family business.
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But when you've got marm Parr who's trying to get
a head for the sort of super animation or whatever
their retirement, why should they get tax on it. I mean,
I think we've got the fairest tax with the GST
at the moment, I'm happy with that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Commercial properties. Have you got two or three commercial properties?
But if you're.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Flipping them, yes, I get that. If you're flipping the
commercial properties.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Do you own the property for the restaurant?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
No? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Okay, but it there'd be a lot of small business
owners that would get hit by this tax when they
want to sell to upgrade or you know, well bigger premises,
et cetera. Or of course, for a lot of people,
the business is their retirement.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I guess the thing is, though other people save for
their retirement and key We Saber and everything and key
We Savier's tax, everyone else is paying tax. Why should
there be a class of property that is not taxed?
And to be honest, if everyone is really honest about
the reasons they're buying property if you're not buying it
for the rent, technically you should be paying a capital
gains tax because if you bought it to profit from
the sale, that's the test.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's just very different.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's far more than that because it taxes the inflation.
And this is why Labour's proposal is so unfair. So
you look back the property over the last ten years,
half of the gains are simply inflation, so you're taxing
a paper profit that isn't again at all. If you
live in Wellington where you wear property price have gone
down very severely that this tax will hit people. They'll
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be taxed on again, even if you're selling it for
less than what you paid for, because Labor want to
do evaluation day rather than take the Australian approach of
grand fathering assets to only bring in the men when
they're next sold.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
The other thing is as well.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
If you're going to tax profit, you need to let
people write it off if they make a loss.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Do you reckon that label's known in the world.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
It not as far as I'm aware. It's always ring fenced.
If you allowed people to deduct the deduct losses against
other income, that would cripple the crown in a downturn.
It is a really aggres twenty eight The rate is
really aggressive too, because of course it means you can't
use your marginal. You know, there's been a lot of
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people that come to retirement sell that nest egg are
on could be only on insured super and yet they're
whacked at twenty eight percent.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
What do you think of stamp duties?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
By the way, that keeps popping its head up when
we discuss these things on talk back to you, Australia's
going to I hate stamp Judy.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I like it, Okay, good, I like stamp duty.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Effectively, what you're selling is you're paying STA the buyer
purchaser pays the same duty, right, and I think it's
a great way of tax and gathering funds.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'd argue a land tax is better. The problem with
stamp duties is it reduces the quality and property markets
and it means that old people stay in and bigger
houses longer. So great for old people, not so good
for people in my generation wanting to get into it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Hey, by the way, how much just I mean, while
we're you know, with the Taxpayers Union here, how much
do you reckon that we could really save off with
the government spending if Jordan Williams was.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Look, I get this.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I get this a lot, and people think that I'm
really you know, I believe in no government and real
out there. But look, I just believe in and in
government small enough that you could drown it in the bath.
There's some stuff government does well. It should some stuff
only government can do. It should focus at that rather
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than try to get into everything.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And you raise your eyebrows when I said lower than
a snake's house and a wagon. Right, Hey, look tell
you what. I'm going to go with a couple of
teen to lie down and we'll be back in just
a moment. I'm with Jordan Williams and Luke Dllo. This
is the panel on news Talk zid bees Weekend Collective.
It's twenty one minutes to four. Yes, welcome back to
the week in Collective. Luke Dello and Jordan Williams are
my panelists today. Gosh, I know we're talking a lot
(29:19):
of politics, but hell, why not. It's some interesting story
is going on. But Apec and Trump. Actually, it's funny.
The one thing I remember about the Apec meeting of
Trump and Luxon. Is Trump complimenting Luxon on his hair,
whereas I hate to say it, but I really wish
our Prime minister would get a suit tailor made from
again because it just anyway, that's.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No. But anyway, look, look, I don't know what to.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Take out of these sort of meetings between the local leaders.
We you know, we want to try and get some
pressure off tariffs and things like that. But you know,
lux and getting on with Trump, that's enough for me.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's all right. What do you reckon? Jordan?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
They have a close mutual friend, of course, and Ladowell,
who was the only survivor of the last White House.
But the the reason we're talking about the here is
here was really nothing else to talk about because at
a ten minute meeting and no one's disclosed. It wasn't
the read out afterwards on what it was actually said.
The bigger news, I would argue on Apek was not
(30:18):
the trade deal that's been done on this trip. But
Winston's tweet when retweeting do you guys see this?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And Luxon said I've just done it. I've just done this.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I didn't actually be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I just said, you know what, I didn't even raise
a hair with me because I thought, oh, it's just wants.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
To be Wednesday around. If that was Seymour, that everyone
would be jumping up and down. This is an instability
and the government.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And the like.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Whence Thin gets away with anything, doesn't it well.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But that's because we're so used to Winston. He's been
part of the tapestry, part of the wallpaper or whatever
the expression is. I can't think of it for such
a long time. We know he can be this great
foreign affairs minister and a cantankerous deals and a cantankerous
retail politician, and so I just expect it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
What about you, Luke.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
But I Onceton because he just speaks his mine, and
I think we should do that more often rather be
very political. Right, But I get stuffed. That's going back
to op. I think it's a selfie competition. Now you
had Uncle Fester and Roddy Wayne taking his selfies together.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I don't know you're talking about Luxton with his uncle Festus.
What's he from. He's from the Adams family. Oh, I'm
gonna have to start gurgling. Now you've been mean towards.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I'm just saying it's a great selfie, but jokes as
I think lux and you know here it's a good
talks theory about tech, the tech world out there, and
you know, I think you know, he spoke to the
right people.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You just I'm so glad you're going to be blamed
if that catches on.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, that's anyway.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I apologize about that, so I'll carry on. I think
that's pretty good. He's talking about the global economy, and
the heir comment was absolutely Hi. There is from from Trumpy.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, Trump does I mean he does cultivate his main
rather splendidly, doesn't he? Oh? He does.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I didn't like that Time Magazine photo did. But anyway, hey, look,
look enough of that. Let's talk about something a little lighter.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Or is this lighter?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm not sure because I've heard some hot takes on
this one. But there's there's been an investigation into the
use of using basically weight loss drugs but on cats.
So there's a San Francisco company is hoping to develop
develop a long acting implant as opposed to regular injections.
But I just sort of think the whole I'm not
(32:34):
sure what I make of pet obesity, but it certainly
is not the cat's fault or the dog's fault?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Is it? Jordan?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I have someone who reckons that if you have that
sort of if you can't look after your pets, you
shouldn't be allowed to have them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
If you've got a fat cat.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Sorry I should have done more prep is the injection
for the animal or the owner?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Well, actually, as.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
They say, you know, you say you can judge, you
know dogs, look.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
We go no. But I've seen that so often with dogs.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
And I look around the INS newsroom as well and
in wonder these things.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Wonder what sort of dogs we got? Yeah, surely because
Jack Russell and you'll be a Saint Bernard. What are
you making with it? Better than.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You'd be a golden retriever that needs to go on
the ozempic.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Like this terrible tongue hanging out.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I'm glad we got to the intellectual bit of this panel.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's actually though it's a bit of a worry.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I always feel sorry for the fat pets totally. There's
one bit down the road there, down to Cox's Green.
I look at this guy, at this labrador. It looks
like a seriously a peak. It is huge, it is
round and I'll go up to the owner, and I
know the owner quite well, and see what do you
feed him?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
He goes, Oh, he gets a scotch full of every night.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I'm sorry, but if I'm going to be, if I'm
going to be a care toor a dog, I want
to be a fat one.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Really want to enjoy life. But you're not enjoying life
if you're a fat cat. Your joints.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You know, you want to be able to You want
to be able to pounce from nowhere and swat that blackbird.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Now, I don't I want the pose? Would I be
like a Garfield? Let me mention Garfield.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's that, and Garfield would come on a panel, correct,
but probably he would probably not talk quite enough, though,
would he.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know what to do with that. But actually,
I mean, if I I'm not sure what I'm trying
to remember.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
What my my colleagues view on was of was of
people who have fat pets that basically it's like a crime.
It's almost like cruelty to animals.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
There's a way to make it skinnier without an injection.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, just don't fit in as much. Yeah, possibly, actually, for.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Our for our golden retriever. We just have to feed
at this poor thing because it's got fat, because we
have my two year old lights to feed it under
the table for as much as we try to stop.
And then the six year old is getting and on
it as well, and so this poor poor dog's got
got a beat. Now we just now we just feed
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it the horrible dry food, and it hates it, and
it basically starves itself because it's got to be seriously
hungry to eat this horrible food.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Sorry for it, I must say, I do look at
those dry foods that you dish up to your pet,
and I sort of thing, how can they.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Enjoy that at all?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Just and you go into the pittst it's rice and
you're like, the dog doesn't want rice?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Have you got a pet? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I do.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
I've got a chocolate labrador with a GSP cross, very
good dog, two years a day. What's a GSP germ
and shorty pointer very dog talk?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I thought it was going to be like the weight
in Dicks number or a.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Very active dog like myself. How did you choose it?
I like the combination of the chocolate lab Did you
just like the look of it? You said? I want
across with a GSP and such and such.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Well, generally lads are quite fat and with the GSP
it's quite lean. So instead less exercise, I'll get the
GSP in it.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
How did you choose How did you choose your dog? Jordan?
Because half, yeah, we just.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Wanted a Golden Retriever and we both grew up with
dogs in the family and so when we had kids,
we thought, yeah that, yeah, yeah, we had something unfortunate
happen in our lives and so you know, dad did
that thing. We brought home a puppy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It would be actually, we know, we don't chass my
lifestyle with me having to do shifts and stuff, but
it has been a bit of a topic a conversation,
and that if we did what we're to do, and
I think I'd probably go down to the SPCA and
choose something that something that I don't know. They say,
you just walk in and you connect with a dog
and they've micro chipped and you know everything.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I'm ready to go. And I sort of think you're
saving a dog's life basically if you take them for
your dot one. So find a good looking one.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I hope my kids aren't listening to this now because
their hopes will really be up. But it has been
slightly in my mind.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
More did they think it was a pure breed and
now discovered that you went, they just wanted up.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
They just want to They just would like a dog.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, I'm going through that thing because you know, we
got a friend's place and they got a dog, and
on the way home it's like, back, can we get
a dog?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Et cetera, et cetera, And I think you should go
get kids a dog.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Tonight we got we got pregnant again immediately after getting
this puppy and really yeah it was yeah, they did
not go down.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well that was putting together that chain of events.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But anyway, I think we've got to take because the
rest of this banter is going to be for off air.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
It is ten minutes before said.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Be welcome back to the panel on the Weekend Collective.
Lukedllo and Jordan Williams are my panelists. Not for very
much longer though, with only a couple of minutes to go,
but the government hinting and extending the warrant of fitnesses
for a length of time, and I guess the question
is you just want to make sure that cars have
been doing a lot of miles, are going to be
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road worthy. And look, some people drive for fifty thousand
a year and in four years would drive a huge amount,
whereas other people are barely been around the block a
few times.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
What do you think of this? Look, do you think
they need to change the rules around wafts?
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Absolutely change the rules yep, longer extensions of wafts. And
I like the Australian model where I think when you
sell your cart, it's got to be roadworthy and obviously
once again keeps a red tape down, keeps a cross down,
and wolves obviously when you take your car for a service,
they're going to check things over right and they're going
to tell you this needs to be replaced.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Well, you know you've got to do it. You've got
to do that. And also I think it should be
linked to your insurance and if you have an accident
in your car is not road worthiness, you should be fined. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I wonder if that's why the average age of the
fleet's lower in Australia, because if you can't sell a
car as is wearers, you have to scrap it.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Really, I just say that that's what I think Back
when I was looking at living in Australia as well.
Cars are way more expensive there because they didn't have
the inputs that we had here.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Literally, you look at.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Something you can get from New Zealand for about five grand,
it was fifteen in Australia and that was to do
with what was allowed to be imported. Anyway, Look, I
think so long as it's pragmatic, and it does seem
that with modern engineering and modern cars, to have to
renew your warrant a fitness, you know, overly frequently.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I don't know, I don't get too excited about it.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
AA's idea that it should be done.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
On K's I want to shove the speeding fines up
as well.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, I know they're a bit unrelied. They used to
be real, real common sense, you know, Mark Stockdale was
there and stuff. It was amount of the people whereas
now they've gone are a bit unreliable.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But something about this respect just like they're the New
Zealand Initiative, you're going to be hating on you.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yeah, well, well not as bad as the Prime Minister's
office on.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
This festa on the nickname. But there was.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
The trouble with the three years though, is with electric
I have an electric car and it eats tires and
so three years. Even if you're only doing ten or
fifteen thousand a year, it turned until you get to
the war on a fitness.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
That you like.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Oh I really need to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Oh well, anyway, nothing to get too excited about, but
we'll see what happens. Hey, guys, that although things to
get excited about. That was a great fun panel.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Thank you very much. Have you Dan?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Ultra marathon tomorrow? Yes, Luke out? Are you running on it?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Just looking it off. Great to meet you. Nice, Thanks,
thanks for coming in Jordan. Great to see you. Hey.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
We'll be back next for property with Debbie Roberts. We
don't have a chat about that CGT because there's a
lot of inflammatory remarks about what it's going to mean
not mean. So we'll dig into Debbie and we'll take
your calls. I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
This is News Talk Said B.
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Back shortly.
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an investment coach, property apprentice. And look all the talks
being CGT EVE when saying the CGT is going to
do this, it's going to do that. It's going to
put rents up, it's going to put rents down, it's
going to make people sell if their investment's going to
make people properties more expensive, less expensive, whatever. So we're
going to dig into the whole thing on the CGT.
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Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, and my panelist today. I think last week I
said both have more titles than Prince Andrew, which does
become even more truer. But I'm not sure these guys
actually do have titles, but they do have descriptions. Firstly,
he is a real estate agent, a restaurateur, restrateur. Does
sound quite flash, doesn't it, And his.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Name is Luke Dela. Luke, how are you going very
well to very well? I'm just coming down from a
sugar rush from the truck and treating last night, and
oh did you do the Halloween?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Did?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I was just watching everyone and just stealing all the
lollies of the kids.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
But it was quite interesting seeing half of Auckland coming
to Herne Bay and walking one with pillow cases full
of lots.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The word got round that Herne Bay's the place for
the good hoot and the loot.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
That's it. That's where you get the lute bay. No
one is Saint Mary's Bay.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Okay, do you sort of just walk over to Herne
Bay to sort of mix with the filthy.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Rich Winston and I do?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
He yes, he could do trek and treating, and people go, god,
that's a good Winston Peter's description.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Actually, wouldn't that be great?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That would be a great campaigning move for Winston. Anyway,
before we hear the rich tone of his voice, he's
executive director of the Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And it's Jordan Williams.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Good afternoon, how are you going very very well the
Halloween patch? I am very embarrassed because you guys asked
how is your Halloween? And I came. I got stuck
in Wellington last night despite having asked friends and friends
kids around to join. So my poor other half was
left hosting by herself. But I can report that Saint
(04:21):
Heleis is doing a lot better, improving every year on
the Halloween quality. And the other thing that we did
a little bit of a stint yesterday with or skip
with the Texpayers Union and that labour. Obviously, you know
the spooky CGT text that we're going to get onto
and what it actually means. But it's really noticeable just
(04:41):
over the last five years, the degree to which our
very lovely boomers that support the Taxpayers Union used to
get very angry when we would make Halloween jokes.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
This is an American holiday. It's terrible.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I think they're starting to come around now.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It still doesn't feel like it's really I imagine being
in America for Halloween must be quite phenomenous.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Everyone's doing it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's like if you've not done Halloween in the US,
it's like doing It's like doing your fish Christmas in Europe.
It's I get it now.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I like my idea of you could probably pull it off.
You know, I don't know who could pull this off.
Maybe Heather could when she takes it, because she could
just call Winston and say can you come with us?
Imagine if you took Winston with you, he's your trick
or treat out fit.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
People would people.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Would look at him, go, man, that god costume?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That that leather and the hair?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
What was that Adam's family the bald headed guy. Uh,
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Unclesta supposed to call him Uncle Fessta. You assured me
that this wasn't the normal lefty panel already.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, that's probably your names terrible, that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Is that is terrible, Luke, You're a very naughty boy.
Sorry anyway, Hey, look we better get onto now. Speaking
of just calling people names or not calling people names,
that actually was a bit of a bombshell yesterday was
it the day before? Now that Andrew is no longer
Andrew will no longer be known as the Prince, He's
going to be known as Andrew Mount Batton Windsor still
sounds quite Poshiti, to be honest, to stick Mount Batton
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in the middle of you know, were you surprised, Jordan?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
There's not a controversy around the mount Batten as the
middle name. That was apparently one of the arguments around
who would what the what the now King would receive
in terms of the surname. That was a if you
I haven't believe all that stuff. You're not you don't
follow the rural, the rural, the royal rural.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I can't quite remember.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I do remember something around the whole mounta Batton thing,
and I just.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Couldn't quite remember.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Down for twelve hours and watch the watch the what's
the incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
The crown, the Crown, the Crown.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, it's covered widely in that, I mean, and that's
surely where you get, surely historical information on the internal
politics the royal fan Have they.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Wrapped the crown up? Is it still filming? Because they'd
be the makers would be thinking, god, we can do
a great one on this one, Andrew being.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Stripped of his royal title. But let's get onto the
top end of that. Were you surprised, not at all.
I mean, it's done, it's done. It's the only issue
in the UK that is that is United British politics.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It's one of those it's one of those panel topics
that when the producer puts down you look at it
and you think no one's going to disagree on this.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Actually, the more you look into I haven't read Virginia
Geophrase book. But the bits that I've excerpts and the
bits about it of what went on and what Gallain
Max were and and what's Epstein? God, they were what
an awful, awful couple of human beings they were? So,
I mean, Andrew's toast, isn't.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
He hit scratcher that's come out in the last few weeks,
was that the two princesses and saw Epstein after he'd
been out of prison.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's just it's crazy, all that conspiracy stuff. It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
No, no, it was. It's as as you get the
slow drip feed of detail, it just gets worse and
worse because they you sort of for the last ten
years you've sort of thought, oh, he's either real evil
or just unbelievably stupid and naive. But now it's without
a doubt, it's on one side of that leader.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I was surprised, Oh, who Andrew or Epstein or they like?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I take Epstein as red. Sorry, sorry, he's deide to
make the panel interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
We're just getting to know each other about Luke. Were
you surprised? I was surprised it came so short hot
on the heels of considering they actually hadn't stripped him
with the duke title. They had, he'd agreed to stop
using it. The other one required an Act department. All
of a sudden, he's no longer Prince Andrew.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I wasn't surprised at all.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I think Charlie did a great job just stripping my
straight away. Get moving on, move the problem on. And
he's put shame on the royal family. But hey, look
he's got a good wardrobe. He's got more double bristed
suits than Wisdon, Peters and h and he's just a
normal citizen. Now he's just going to go local part.
But I reckon the injuw should go on a speaking circuit.
(09:08):
Oh my god, that would be great.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Could you imagine the topics? Could you imagine the topics?
Crisis pr how not to do an interview?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, the lessons I learned, I don't think out of
trouble a guide. I don't think he's learned a lessons
from this, though, I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Very naive to it all, isn't.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
He Actually I saw an opinion from someone I think
might have been the Telegraph Royal watcher saying this is
the biggest threat to the monarchy since the abdication, which
I think is bollocks actually, because I think actually people
look at Andrew and they look at him completely separated
the way they view William Caton and Charles.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
What do you think Jordan's agree? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Absolutely. The other shoe to drop, though, is the lease
on this incredible property. And he said, you know, he's
just a normal guy. He's a normal guy that in
his sixties, he's never cooked a meal for himself in
his life. But he had to give up that lease
before the Queen died. And the deal that he had,
it's like one hundred and fifty year least or something
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that was supposed to be locked down. So the question
is is how did Charles convince him to do it?
What's the other side of that legion.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I thought that there.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Was something because the headlines said that Charles had taken
action under the lease or something, and I don't know
what that means. Whether there was a clause about bringing
the royal family into repute.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, I heard that as well, So I think that's
what he got well and truly done that.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah previously.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Isn't it amazing to see how far he has fallen
Back in the days where he was mischievously and sort
of admiringly referred to as Randy Andy when he was
the World War you know, when he was the Falkland
War veteran, and he was a bit of a got around.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Got around in a woman's dormitory, and that that was
where the Randy Andy.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, so it started all the line, but it wasn't.
But it wasn't like there was approbrium heaped upon him
at that time. It was like, I wasn't he a
naughty boys sort of thing? And he had a relationship
with some famous actress coup Stark or something, and all
sorts of relationships.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But I'm just.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
It's just amazing how the wheel has come full circle
and he's now I don't know how you describe his
status right now, but lower than as.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He's just a man in a pub or is I can't.
I don't know why this suspression is coming to me.
It's lower.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He's lower than a snake's ass in a wagon run.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Don't know, watch comedian. I'm acquoting there. Let's move on, though,
Shall we just leave you with that one? I have
no idea what that one popped on from.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And Jordan's going, this is quite a different vibe from
the huddle. Y.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It is a bit, It is a bit.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Anyway, Hey, look just I'm not sure if this is
something we touch on quickly, but I am worried a
little worried about the measles now, given that they don't
seem to be able to trace down every case case.
I think I saw that the number of cases is
at fourteen, including Auckland Grammar school levels of immunity.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I'm quite sort.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Of cross at people, And I guess what do we
have that all the conspiracy around COVID to blame our
suspicions around vaccines, Luke.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Look, I had measles as an adult when I was
forty and as the worst thing ever.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And I asked my mother when you were what forty? Ouch?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yes, just move a couple of inches away.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You're okay. Now I think he's as a result of
having caught it.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yeah, the next thing, I'll get his shingles probably, but anyway,
chicken pox.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
At least the shingles, thank you.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I won't get shingles then, because I asked my mother
did I get a vaccinator vaccinated back when I was
a kid, And she goes, no, you got the measles,
but I was the youngest of seven, so she probably
got a little bit confused. But I'm recommending everyone to
get a vaccination, and you know, not just saying that
because it is a horrible thing to have in your adulthood.
And lucky you probably had my kids prior to that too,
because you never know, you know. But that's as COVID
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has put probably a bit of scare and people to
get the vaccinated, but just get out of there and
vaccinate yourselves.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, any thoughts on it, Jordan?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, the first, it's very clearly much much bigger, and
it's circulating much more than we're actually in the cases
that we know of, and of course measles is far
more able to transmit contagious. But the thing that is
scary is just that for the kids that before you
can get you know, the young babies that are particularly vulnerable.
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It's not about getting sick, frankly, it's about kids dying
that worries me. With The first was the sort of
small outbreak about five or six years ago, was when
just prior to COVID, actually my other half, who's a
pediatric nurse, was absolutely terrified of it and were very
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careful indeed, and back then was saying this it might
not be this year, but at some point we are
so vulnerable to a mass breakout, and this does look
like it.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It was.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
On the other side of the coin, it was pretty
good to see the government yesterday or the Chief head
Honcho of Health making clear to the schools, do not close.
This is going to get a lot worse, but do
not close. I think that the government is trying to
ride two horses at the same time here that they
want to deal with it efficiently, but also know that
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one of arguably one of the mistakes whitch you know,
I think it was a major mistake with COVID was
that the very institution you should be.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Closing last schools.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah, we close first, and I think this government is
determined not to do that again because we're now seeing
the downstream effects of that from twenty twenty. And also
if you do have if you do have both doses
of the vaccine, you're ninety seven percent I don't want
to use the word ninety seven percent safe, but I
think you know, it's a very effective vaccine, very effective.
So we rates and of course that for a section
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of the population that heard over and over again. Very
totally save, completely effective sort of thing that is a
harder sale unfortunately because of that breakdown a trust as
a society, I'd argue as a result of COVID.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So get yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
If you are not vaccinated for the measles, go and
get done for goodness sake, and if you've got any questions,
spect with your doctor, I would say, be the best
best bit of advice, wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I I'm amazed how many people having at the MMR.
That just blows my mind, given how how.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Well some communities it's seventy percent. You know that's anyway right, Okay, look,
we're going to take a break, come back and just
a quick cup of teena lie down after those thoughts,
and we'll be back in just a moment. It's twenty
two minutes past three.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
News Talk, said b set in Aloidoids.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel
of my panelist. I'm Te Beverage. By the way, my
panelists are Luke Dallo and Jordan Williams and guys, the
New Zealand Initiative reckons that we need a four year term.
I mean, this has been a debate that's been going
for a while, but they've at least their report and
to their recommendations on the way we sh be structuring
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our parliament and legislatory es a four year term. And
here's the one that's a really hard sell. Fifty more MPs.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I did talk back on this the other night and
I said, can one person find a reason we need
fifty more MPs?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And I and I came up blank after hours of
talk back.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I'm going to go because I think I'm pretty sure
that Jordan's gonna have some hot takes on this. I'm
going to start with you, Luke.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I agree to a four year extention. I think it's
very very it's needed. I mean, time you get in
and you can you find the photocophy and you're out,
you know it's you know, it's you really do need it.
But I think on the MP side of things, I
think we need to remove the obsolete ones absolute what
few portfolios to fewer MPs. I mean, you've got I've
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got Ai. Now they'll get rid of a couple, you
got the youth Justice. I mean they could go and
are you talking about ministers? Yeah, minister ministers, Yeah, they
want to reduce the number of ministers. Yeah, minister, sorry, yes,
so I think reduce them.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So I'm pretty keen to do that on the bit. Okay, Jordan,
Well look the text pass.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You work a lot with the New Zealand Initiative. I mean,
these guys are the cren de la cream of New
Zealand's economic think tanks and brains. And I read this
report and I just thought, it's so feels so good
to know that such people, they so much more intelligent
than me, can be so wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Can we have a Hallelujah?
Speaker 5 (17:33):
I do.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I'm sorry object, it's somehow they've constructed a report and
and and he's a good friends of mine. I'm going
to get stick for the text messages, center them off it.
I don't care that you're gonna increase will reduce the
number of elections, but somehow increase accountability. Oh come on,
And as we're increasing the number of MP's, they are arguing, well,
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government's too bad. There's far toso many ministers. You can't
get affect decision making. There's more mb report to more
ministers than the number of ministers they don't report to.
Like it's a it's a total spaghetti in terms of
lines of accountability. But somehow adding more MPs is going
to make governments smaller. I'm sorry, that's nonsense. You could argue,
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if you're gonna have more MPs, you'd add a second house,
because the way most of the world does it is
they have two houses of Parliament a lower house. Yeah,
we have an upper got rid of its upper house.
So if you did that and maybe directly elected them
as you know, some sort of senate, then you would
be increasing accountability and then that re equid pro quo
for a longer term, but simply reducing it while increasing
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the number of backbench list MPs that, to be frank,
are more accountable to the business like MMP, more accountable
to the party rather than the marginal.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, that's actually one of the conversation points that it
often comes up and talk back because people are are
less enamored with m MP They would like the electorate MPs,
those votes the FPP side of things to carry more weight,
which means I'd probably favor a slightly different form of
what we got.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
That's that's something to remember, you something.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
To me to remember. Yeah, but look, fifty.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
More MPs all I could find was in the New
Zealand Initiative report and it talked about the cube root
law suggests an optimal parliamentary size is the cube root
of a country's sorry.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I mean those smart people.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah. And actually here's the other reason I don't.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't support a four year term is because I
and this is maybe it's a bit of a hot take.
I just thought, if we had amazing parliamentarians who will
work their butts off to represent their constituencies and we're
dedicated to the cause as opposed to the sort of
the mess that we see of our own MMP right now,
I want the option to get rid of them as
soon as possible bing go.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So that is where I think this report has got
the sort of the wrong way round. And I see
a lot of particularly sort of the political academics no
offense do you'll producer, but those with political degrees where
they think that the purpose of the democracy is representation,
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totally disagree with that. The purpose of democracy is the accountability.
It's not then any of the clearlymoscopy doesn't clearly. But
the reason it works so well is you can hit
the eject button. It's why I think MMP is really flawed.
Is it's really hard to hit the eject button that
if it is about representation, surely it is about the
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representation of finding the preferences of the median voter. Well,
this report and the gain respect to the New zeal initiative,
they arguing to reduce the five percent threshold down, which
means the problem of the tail wagging the dog is
more likely, it's even worse, and therefore you get again
one of the problems with the MP is it doesn't
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get you to where the median voter is sitting. You
can get quite unpredictable results where the you know, it's
not yes, there was the art doing thing, but to
be frank, what we see it under the proportion representation
systems in Europe where a bunch of the losing parties
get together and you get quite unpredictable end results.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Prot you bag first past the post quite.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Easy actually if a bit interesting to see if there was,
if there was another referendum, how people would go with that,
because we do have MPs that we like. People love
Winston he got an on m MP, but I must
have mad I'm nostalgia for the FPP.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Those are two extremes so you got on on one
side that almost guarantees minority government m MP and all that.
On the other end you've got first part the post
and almost guarantees you know, because we don't.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Have enough house all that.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
It's it's sort of it's all powered whoever Wednes every
three years. So something in the middle you me. We
mentioned earlier it was pemetary member where you party vote
counts but only for the list of the MP and
the and the actual So you get the small parties in,
but less likely that the whole the balance of power,
et cetera. And you have the electoral electric votes actually
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matter too. Now some argue, but hang on, what about
those safe speed seats where you know, the NATS or
labor could you know, run a donkey and still get don't. Well,
you get that under any system, and we have that
now with listening MPs, you've got it's like economics, look
at the margins. The problem is without the margins, if
you're worried about you're not going to be into parliament,
you want to favor the party, get a high list ranking,
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whereas at least back then you want to favor with
the public views.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Oh I think it's a select The criteria is selecting
your minister. I mean anyone can go for politics, right anyone.
But I think you need to have what I get
annoyed with. You've got to have life skills. You've got
to know what's already had.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You need to know to frying egg ballist bud do
the shopping. You need to have a job.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's the part.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That's two.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
The party is doing a poor job of candidate selection.
But also politics is bloody unattractive if you if you've
got This is the point point coming Cummings is making
the UK that the breast and the best and brightest
a couple of generations ago win to the military of
the public sector or to public service. That is not
the case now.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I think that what I detect from people I talk
to on the talk back is that people putting aside
which system we've got. I think people really feel that
a lot of MPs are disconnected from from a particular
constituency as opposed to their party. They're so aligned with
their party. Party politics rules the day, and I think
people would love to know that there's there's more people
who have been electored elected by a constituency and are
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going to work hard for that group of people, rather
than the sort of a morphous you know, you know
MMP sort of, or.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It's performance of representation. It's it's sort of we need
that demographic group and that demographic group. It's it's yeah,
but again that's that it's about representation, whereas I'd argue
it's about accountability.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I know, I think I agree with you ultimately, but
I just think there's that other side of how closely
connected each MP is to some constituency as aside from
the party.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's what I meant, But yeah, I agree with you,
keep them accountable.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Look, let's move on to another really easy one to
have a chat about. Labor has unveiled its capital games
Well did Labor really unveil its capital games policy? I
mean this has been gone for a few days now,
so we don't need to flog it too much.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It was leaked someone else did.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It was like they jumped before they were pushed sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Anyway, Look, I don't mind the notion of the CGT
just to get in early, but the problem I have
with it is one I don't trust Labour's implementation on
any tax policy because before you know, it, they'll removed
interest deductibility and that'll cause a whole lot of other
problems with rents going up and things.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
But here's the other thing. If they wanted to get
a bigger.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Tax take and they wanted a CGT, say you bring
in a CGT, just don't prompt don't tell me you're
going to instantly spend it on something. I just feel
it's like, so we're going to do this so we
can spend some more money, when in fact, if you
want to increase the tax take by not very much,
then maybe just increase the tax take and say you
think this is a fair way of doing tax I
don't get overly excited about the cgts. How plenty of
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other countries have lived with a CGT. We're probably in
the minority. Because I know you'll be a hot take
on this Jordan loot.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
The first do you reckon.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I think it's headlining for the labor government, you know,
just getting and putting something out there as statement. But
I'm not in favor of the kepital gains tax. I mean,
in New Zealand we're quite unique that we don't have it.
And who's really going to get affected from it as
mar and par the big landlords out there like Freelander,
they never sell things. It's always stuck in their family business.
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But when you've got marm Parr who's trying to get
a head for the sort of super animation or whatever
their retirement, why should they get tax on it. I mean,
I think we've got the fairest tax with the GST
at the moment, I'm happy with that.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Commercial properties. Have you got two or three commercial properties?
But if you're.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Flipping them, yes, I get that. If you're flipping the
commercial properties.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Do you own the property for the restaurant?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
No? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Okay, but it there'd be a lot of small business
owners that would get hit by this tax when they
want to sell to upgrade or you know, well bigger premises,
et cetera. Or of course, for a lot of people,
the business is their retirement.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I guess the thing is, though other people save for
their retirement and key We Saber and everything and key
We Savier's tax, everyone else is paying tax. Why should
there be a class of property that is not taxed?
And to be honest, if everyone is really honest about
the reasons they're buying property if you're not buying it
for the rent, technically you should be paying a capital
gains tax because if you bought it to profit from
the sale, that's the test.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
It's just very different.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's far more than that because it taxes the inflation.
And this is why Labour's proposal is so unfair. So
you look back the property over the last ten years,
half of the gains are simply inflation, so you're taxing
a paper profit that isn't again at all. If you
live in Wellington where you wear property price have gone
down very severely that this tax will hit people. They'll
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be taxed on again, even if you're selling it for
less than what you paid for, because Labor want to
do evaluation day rather than take the Australian approach of
grand fathering assets to only bring in the men when
they're next sold.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
The other thing is as well.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
If you're going to tax profit, you need to let
people write it off if they make a loss.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Do you reckon that label's known in the world.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
It not as far as I'm aware. It's always ring fenced.
If you allowed people to deduct the deduct losses against
other income, that would cripple the crown in a downturn.
It is a really aggres twenty eight The rate is
really aggressive too, because of course it means you can't
use your marginal. You know, there's been a lot of
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people that come to retirement sell that nest egg are
on could be only on insured super and yet they're
whacked at twenty eight percent.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
What do you think of stamp duties?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
By the way, that keeps popping its head up when
we discuss these things on talk back to you, Australia's
going to I hate stamp Judy.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I like it, Okay, good, I like stamp duty.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Effectively, what you're selling is you're paying STA the buyer
purchaser pays the same duty, right, and I think it's
a great way of tax and gathering funds.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I'd argue a land tax is better. The problem with
stamp duties is it reduces the quality and property markets
and it means that old people stay in and bigger
houses longer. So great for old people, not so good
for people in my generation wanting to get into it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Hey, by the way, how much just I mean, while
we're you know, with the Taxpayers Union here, how much
do you reckon that we could really save off with
the government spending if Jordan Williams was.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Look, I get this.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I get this a lot, and people think that I'm
really you know, I believe in no government and real
out there. But look, I just believe in and in
government small enough that you could drown it in the bath.
There's some stuff government does well. It should some stuff
only government can do. It should focus at that rather
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than try to get into everything.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And you raise your eyebrows when I said lower than
a snake's house and a wagon. Right, Hey, look tell
you what. I'm going to go with a couple of
teen to lie down and we'll be back in just
a moment. I'm with Jordan Williams and Luke Dllo. This
is the panel on news Talk zid bees Weekend Collective.
It's twenty one minutes to four. Yes, welcome back to
the week in Collective. Luke Dello and Jordan Williams are
my panelists today. Gosh, I know we're talking a lot
(29:19):
of politics, but hell, why not. It's some interesting story
is going on. But Apec and Trump. Actually, it's funny.
The one thing I remember about the Apec meeting of
Trump and Luxon. Is Trump complimenting Luxon on his hair,
whereas I hate to say it, but I really wish
our Prime minister would get a suit tailor made from
again because it just anyway, that's.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No. But anyway, look, look, I don't know what to.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Take out of these sort of meetings between the local leaders.
We you know, we want to try and get some
pressure off tariffs and things like that. But you know,
lux and getting on with Trump, that's enough for me.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's all right. What do you reckon? Jordan?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
They have a close mutual friend, of course, and Ladowell,
who was the only survivor of the last White House.
But the the reason we're talking about the here is
here was really nothing else to talk about because at
a ten minute meeting and no one's disclosed. It wasn't
the read out afterwards on what it was actually said.
The bigger news, I would argue on Apek was not
(30:18):
the trade deal that's been done on this trip. But
Winston's tweet when retweeting do you guys see this?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And Luxon said I've just done it. I've just done this.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I didn't actually be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I just said, you know what, I didn't even raise
a hair with me because I thought, oh, it's just wants.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
To be Wednesday around. If that was Seymour, that everyone
would be jumping up and down. This is an instability
and the government.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
And the like.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Whence Thin gets away with anything, doesn't it well.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But that's because we're so used to Winston. He's been
part of the tapestry, part of the wallpaper or whatever
the expression is. I can't think of it for such
a long time. We know he can be this great
foreign affairs minister and a cantankerous deals and a cantankerous
retail politician, and so I just expect it.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
What about you, Luke.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
But I Onceton because he just speaks his mine, and
I think we should do that more often rather be
very political. Right, But I get stuffed. That's going back
to op. I think it's a selfie competition. Now you
had Uncle Fester and Roddy Wayne taking his selfies together.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I don't know you're talking about Luxton with his uncle Festus.
What's he from. He's from the Adams family. Oh, I'm
gonna have to start gurgling. Now you've been mean towards.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I'm just saying it's a great selfie, but jokes as
I think lux and you know here it's a good
talks theory about tech, the tech world out there, and
you know, I think you know, he spoke to the
right people.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You just I'm so glad you're going to be blamed
if that catches on.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, that's anyway.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I apologize about that, so I'll carry on. I think
that's pretty good. He's talking about the global economy, and
the heir comment was absolutely Hi. There is from from Trumpy.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, Trump does I mean he does cultivate his main
rather splendidly, doesn't he? Oh? He does.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I didn't like that Time Magazine photo did. But anyway, hey, look,
look enough of that. Let's talk about something a little lighter.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Or is this lighter?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I'm not sure because I've heard some hot takes on
this one. But there's there's been an investigation into the
use of using basically weight loss drugs but on cats.
So there's a San Francisco company is hoping to develop
develop a long acting implant as opposed to regular injections.
But I just sort of think the whole I'm not
(32:34):
sure what I make of pet obesity, but it certainly
is not the cat's fault or the dog's fault?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Is it? Jordan?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I have someone who reckons that if you have that
sort of if you can't look after your pets, you
shouldn't be allowed to have them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
If you've got a fat cat.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Sorry I should have done more prep is the injection
for the animal or the owner?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Well, actually, as.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
They say, you know, you say you can judge, you
know dogs, look.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
We go no. But I've seen that so often with dogs.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
And I look around the INS newsroom as well and
in wonder these things.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Wonder what sort of dogs we got? Yeah, surely because
Jack Russell and you'll be a Saint Bernard. What are
you making with it? Better than.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You'd be a golden retriever that needs to go on
the ozempic.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Like this terrible tongue hanging out.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I'm glad we got to the intellectual bit of this panel.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's actually though it's a bit of a worry.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I always feel sorry for the fat pets totally. There's
one bit down the road there, down to Cox's Green.
I look at this guy, at this labrador. It looks
like a seriously a peak. It is huge, it is
round and I'll go up to the owner, and I
know the owner quite well, and see what do you
feed him?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
He goes, Oh, he gets a scotch full of every night.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I'm sorry, but if I'm going to be, if I'm
going to be a care toor a dog, I want
to be a fat one.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Really want to enjoy life. But you're not enjoying life
if you're a fat cat. Your joints.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You know, you want to be able to You want
to be able to pounce from nowhere and swat that blackbird.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Now, I don't I want the pose? Would I be
like a Garfield? Let me mention Garfield.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's that, and Garfield would come on a panel, correct,
but probably he would probably not talk quite enough, though,
would he.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't know what to do with that. But actually,
I mean, if I I'm not sure what I'm trying
to remember.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
What my my colleagues view on was of was of
people who have fat pets that basically it's like a crime.
It's almost like cruelty to animals.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
There's a way to make it skinnier without an injection.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, just don't fit in as much. Yeah, possibly, actually, for.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Our for our golden retriever. We just have to feed
at this poor thing because it's got fat, because we
have my two year old lights to feed it under
the table for as much as we try to stop.
And then the six year old is getting and on
it as well, and so this poor poor dog's got
got a beat. Now we just now we just feed
(35:22):
it the horrible dry food, and it hates it, and
it basically starves itself because it's got to be seriously
hungry to eat this horrible food.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Sorry for it, I must say, I do look at
those dry foods that you dish up to your pet,
and I sort of thing, how can they.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Enjoy that at all?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Just and you go into the pittst it's rice and
you're like, the dog doesn't want rice?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Have you got a pet? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I do.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
I've got a chocolate labrador with a GSP cross, very
good dog, two years a day. What's a GSP germ
and shorty pointer very dog talk?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I thought it was going to be like the weight
in Dicks number or a.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Very active dog like myself. How did you choose it?
I like the combination of the chocolate lab Did you
just like the look of it? You said? I want
across with a GSP and such and such.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Well, generally lads are quite fat and with the GSP
it's quite lean. So instead less exercise, I'll get the
GSP in it.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
How did you choose How did you choose your dog? Jordan?
Because half, yeah, we just.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Wanted a Golden Retriever and we both grew up with
dogs in the family and so when we had kids,
we thought, yeah that, yeah, yeah, we had something unfortunate
happen in our lives and so you know, dad did
that thing. We brought home a puppy.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
It would be actually, we know, we don't chass my
lifestyle with me having to do shifts and stuff, but
it has been a bit of a topic a conversation,
and that if we did what we're to do, and
I think I'd probably go down to the SPCA and
choose something that something that I don't know. They say,
you just walk in and you connect with a dog
and they've micro chipped and you know everything.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I'm ready to go. And I sort of think you're
saving a dog's life basically if you take them for
your dot one. So find a good looking one.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I hope my kids aren't listening to this now because
their hopes will really be up. But it has been
slightly in my mind.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
More did they think it was a pure breed and
now discovered that you went, they just wanted up.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
They just want to They just would like a dog.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, I'm going through that thing because you know, we
got a friend's place and they got a dog, and
on the way home it's like, back, can we get
a dog?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Et cetera, et cetera, And I think you should go
get kids a dog.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Tonight we got we got pregnant again immediately after getting
this puppy and really yeah it was yeah, they did
not go down.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well that was putting together that chain of events.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But anyway, I think we've got to take because the
rest of this banter is going to be for off air.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
It is ten minutes before said.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Be welcome back to the panel on the Weekend Collective.
Lukedllo and Jordan Williams are my panelists. Not for very
much longer though, with only a couple of minutes to go,
but the government hinting and extending the warrant of fitnesses
for a length of time, and I guess the question
is you just want to make sure that cars have
been doing a lot of miles, are going to be
(38:01):
road worthy. And look, some people drive for fifty thousand
a year and in four years would drive a huge amount,
whereas other people are barely been around the block a
few times.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
What do you think of this? Look, do you think
they need to change the rules around wafts?
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Absolutely change the rules yep, longer extensions of wafts. And
I like the Australian model where I think when you
sell your cart, it's got to be roadworthy and obviously
once again keeps a red tape down, keeps a cross down,
and wolves obviously when you take your car for a service,
they're going to check things over right and they're going
to tell you this needs to be replaced.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Well, you know you've got to do it. You've got
to do that. And also I think it should be
linked to your insurance and if you have an accident
in your car is not road worthiness, you should be fined. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I wonder if that's why the average age of the
fleet's lower in Australia, because if you can't sell a
car as is wearers, you have to scrap it.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Really, I just say that that's what I think Back
when I was looking at living in Australia as well.
Cars are way more expensive there because they didn't have
the inputs that we had here.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Literally, you look at.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Something you can get from New Zealand for about five grand,
it was fifteen in Australia and that was to do
with what was allowed to be imported. Anyway, Look, I
think so long as it's pragmatic, and it does seem
that with modern engineering and modern cars, to have to
renew your warrant a fitness, you know, overly frequently.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I don't know, I don't get too excited about it.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
AA's idea that it should be done.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
On K's I want to shove the speeding fines up
as well.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, I know they're a bit unrelied. They used to
be real, real common sense, you know, Mark Stockdale was
there and stuff. It was amount of the people whereas
now they've gone are a bit unreliable.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
But something about this respect just like they're the New
Zealand Initiative, you're going to be hating on you.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yeah, well, well not as bad as the Prime Minister's
office on.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
This festa on the nickname. But there was.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
The trouble with the three years though, is with electric
I have an electric car and it eats tires and
so three years. Even if you're only doing ten or
fifteen thousand a year, it turned until you get to
the war on a fitness.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
That you like.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Oh I really need to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Oh well, anyway, nothing to get too excited about, but
we'll see what happens. Hey, guys, that although things to
get excited about. That was a great fun panel.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Thank you very much. Have you Dan?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Ultra marathon tomorrow? Yes, Luke out? Are you running on it?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Just looking it off. Great to meet you. Nice, Thanks,
thanks for coming in Jordan. Great to see you. Hey.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
We'll be back next for property with Debbie Roberts. We
don't have a chat about that CGT because there's a
lot of inflammatory remarks about what it's going to mean
not mean. So we'll dig into Debbie and we'll take
your calls. I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
This is News Talk Said B.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Back shortly.
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