October 25, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Kyle MacDonald and Paul Spoonley to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
Israel attacks Iran, Government moves to tighten Three Strikes Bill, new school lunches, King Charles' travels, Donald Trump works at McDonald's, and more!
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not worrying about your children's mental health but your own
and whether in fact you know there is a bit
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and how to best cope with it, which we could
probably talk about in the panel with one of my guests.
I'm about introduced, but anyway, that will be coming up
five o'clock, but right now it is time for the panel.
We have a new panelist. By the way we hold
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hold your breath. We should almost have a drum roll,
shouldn't we a timpany roller? That's probably too late for
my producer to organize that sound effect. Subtle hint. My
first guest, he is a regular actually on the panelist
but also on news talks. He'd be he's a host
of the Nutters Club, a psycho therapist extraordinary, I like
to think, and his name is that sounds a bit overspreaking.
(02:34):
You can put that in your business card, Kyle McDonald
good good, I wanted like a longer business card to
fit that on THO. They are psycho, their extraordin and
their two words.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Psychotherapist is one of those professions. It only just fits
on the immigration card, which is does it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Is it one of those ones that when you have
to fill out the little squares, you.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Have to make that decision whether you're going to make
all the letters fit in the actual box or where
you squeeze.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Then at the end and we call yourself psych I
could psycho.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'm not sure that would help it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Customs well, it might be a calling card. And actually
that voice may not have given it away. But because
he has actually been on the panel before it but
not when I've been here. And he's a bit flash
because he is a distinguished professor of sociology at Massive University.
His name is Paul Spoonley. Paul what is a distinguished professor.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well professor as a as a as a career high
but distinguished as when you get recognized internationally.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh and what sort of recognition, Like you see something
from another university that Paul, sorry, something like that to
something that yes, actually, no, seriously, what what does recognition
from another university?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Does that mean that they you're internationally recognized as an
expert in your field?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Do they fill out a form and say give you it?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I mean, well, it's all it's all done. You're not
aware that you're being considered for it. But the university
then goes to international experts and says, what's in.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Other words, you know, it's okay, he's made a professor
at this university, but what are we in them? It's
like we we like and we think we can quote
us writing and all that sort of stuff, and he's, oh, good,
stuff does sound quite flash, isn't it? It does it?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Does the kids call me undistinguished?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well, yes, they probably called you something else. Actually that's
probably your hitting. You hit for a nightclub with the
nightclub Knighthood. It is Saturday.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That wouldn't be very distinguished.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Sorry, that's so roundom. It's like you find out you're distinguished, like, hey,
let's go clubbing. Yeah, sorry, total slip of the tongue.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We got to start off with a few laughs, because
the first topic is and it's look, it's new, it's
breaking news in the last hour or two that Israel
has attacks of strategic targets, military targets in Iran in
response to well basically, and they've probably got a fair
point here months of attacks by and its proxies in
the region. But of course there wouldn't be anyone wouldn't
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be a bit concerned about. My pulse went up. I
think when I saw the TV screen when I walked
in here.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Paul, Yeah, I look, I don't know where this is
going to end or how it's going to end, but
it does have to. And it's really the sovereignty of
countries and what we're seeing is the ongoing attacks. And
I just despair. Really, I don't I don't know what
the answer is.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
To No, it would be great if you had the answer,
because there could be people in Iran listening in Israel
going I heard this New Zealand And talk show where
this guy, Paul Sperley had the answer.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Even more distinctished share this, what's your reaction to it? Can't. Oh, look,
it's been interesting. Like I have permanent Google searcher set
up for sort of mental health things to keep an
eye on global news about these things. And there's a
lot of writing in the moment in America about the
mental health impacts of the election, and so I can
only imagine that this, on top of the you know,
the last what are we ten days, two weeks or
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something impending election in the States as really going to
have an impact on people's emotional health if you over engage.
And I think that's you know, that's my warning is
it's good to keep abreast of what's happening, you know,
sitting and watching CNN for three or four hours, you know,
with the endless sort of loops of the trauma, probably
not a great idea.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I actually, while I was busy doing some shows on
ZB in a different time slot and and while I
was tuning into the news, then I had a week
off and I actually realized that I hadn't thought about
not the Israel things so much, which probably still popped up.
But I tuned out of American politics for two or
three weeks, and god, it was good. It was just
so you know, it's because you can. It's but like
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people who obsessed with Twitter, and they go in and
they get triggered, and then they and then they're just
winding themselves up. And sometimes it's like, you know what,
just maybe take a step back at doing that. Poor. Yeah, no,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Part of my job is actually monitoring extremism and extremism
around the world, and what we have to do is
actually have strategies for de stressing. And so we've got
things like, if you're looking at something online, you minimize
the screen, you make it black and white, you turn
the sound off, and you only watch it for ten
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to fifteen minutes max. And then you've got to find
something else to do. So I agree with both of you.
I think that the world is a really stressful place,
made even more stressful by the media. And I'm I'm
a you know, I watch a lot of social media
and I've.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Got to get therapy.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Car I've got to get therapy for it, because it
really is becomes debilitating, it becomes depressing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Supervision we call it in my field. So if you're
a therapist or health worker, you can't talk to a
colleague every couple of weeks and sort of have your
own debrief, But I mean it makes sense to have
supervision for that kind of work. There's are great strategies,
by the way, I hadn't heard those before. Maybe that
you should minimize scene into the bottom corner of so.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You can actually do that. You can you look at
certain things on a black and white screen where you.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Can actually have in particular, you transfer it into a
black and white format and your minimum so it's effectively
a quarter of your screen rather than the whole screen.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So it's just a way, how do you transfer it
into black and white? Are we're talking on a net
browser that you just go, I want to view everything
black and white a year? Well, there's a software package.
Oh so you've got something special. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
could say that. Of course I'm something special, and you
listen to my introduction. I'm a distinguished professor.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah enough already to.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Actually but there I think I look, I look at
social media and I follow it because often you'll find
break it's actually strangely enough of breaking news. Sometimes you'll
see it on Twitter first, but maybe not necessarily follow
Rutter's or something for that, but I think it will say.
The other thing is just don't go into the comments
as well. But I mean, if it's part of your job,
you're him to delve into all sorts of stuff, which
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I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's actually a I mean, I don't want to get
off on a hobby horse here, but the social media
world at the moment is a really destructive, negative place,
and I don't know how we get on. I mean,
you know, I hope that the three of us can
look at something and put it into context and understand
what it is we're looking at, but it seems a
lot of people don't, and you get this, you get
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this echo chamber effect, which is really quite distressing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I think I'm trying to think of what I've been
doing lately, and I have made a slight change in
just taking time to appreciate doing stuff with my kids
or for them and things like that, And you really
do need to. You've just got to have something completely
different where you just because I used to be if
something's on my phone the kids come home and I'm
still on, I just go right down. It goes. Let's
focus on whatever the routine is, and gosh, what a
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breath of fresh area it is to get away from
that anyway. Look, We're not going to dwell on too
much into the Israeli aroun thing. It's going to be
developing new story and I imagine we'll be probably coming
a little bit tomorrow on our politics show at three o'clock.
Now onto politics, though the government is tightening the three
strikes bill. Because we haven't had you on before, Paul,
I'll be interesting to know your take on this, but
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we'll start with you, Kyle. Do you welcome the return
of three strikes? I think, I know, I think I
know your aunts will be no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Look, I mean the firstly, I think one of the
concerning things is it's not entirely clear whether there's some
suggestion that it might also be retrospective, which I think
constitutionally is quite concerning. So what I mean by that
is that actually the act will be expected to be
retrospectively on people who have committed one or two strikes
prior to the legislation being.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Halted, which is which is a hilarry zone.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Well it is, and it was also subject I think
probably to challenge legally. But setting that aside from the
point of view of for acidivism and crime, I mean,
I think you know this this is one of those
policies that makes people feel safe, but I'm not sure
does much for actual safety. And one of the things
that a lot of people don't realize about New Zealand
is we actually do have, per capita, one of the
highest prison populations in the world. We actually have a
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lot of people locked up, and I'm not sure that
actually works all that well. You know, on the Nuttis Club,
over the years, we've had lots of people who have
been through the prison system, and you know, it would
be great to think that actually we could spend some
money or mental health and rehabilitation in prisons because there's
a lot of people who will benefit from that. Yes,
there's people who probably need to be locked up for
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everybody's safety, maybe for a long time, but that transition
out for people I think is really hard.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, Paul, Yeah, I didn't know a lot about this,
so I went and I'm an evidence sort of guy,
So what's the evidence? And I think the evidence is
really really mixed, so doesn't have an effect on reducing
crime rates. The evidence on balances no, So it's a
punitive one. It's one that the coalition government have said
that they would do, so they're going to do it.
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But what was interesting is that, to go to Kyle's point,
tim advice from ministry officials says, actually, you can't make
something subject. You can't penalize something. You can't penalize someone
for something that they did when the legislation wasn't in act,
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and so it's going to be open to.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The retrospective legislation. I think what they're trying to do
for the exception, as they're saying, so when the legislation
was accumulating strikes, people accumulated a couple of strikes, and
then the legislation was overturned, and during that period, you
can't accumulate strikes. But what they're saying, if you accumulated
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strikes under the old regime, those are still going to count.
So it's a little bit of a blurry area. They're
not going to suddenly say the people who were committing
those offenses while the law wasn't in place, they can't
do that. That would be but I think it's a
really half way house. It's going to be interesting to
see legally, it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Is going to be interesting. Can I just make a
two quick more point. Firstly, ministry advice is that it
will increase the prison population by thirty three to eighty
nine people, between thirty three and eighty nine people, which
is an additional cost of four million to ten point
seven million. And I think the other thing for me
is doesn't government or those who are promoting this trust judges,
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I don't, don't you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, I think we've gone a bit too I think
we have gone a bit too soft. I mean, here's
a case in point. That guy Kaylee Leona who killed
the woman on the bus, sentence to it. And this
is a justice system thing as much as anything, sentence
someone to. He was sentenced sorry to a year and
seven months. Four years, four months later, he murders someone
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on a bus. Something's wrong there, And Okay, you're never
going to prevent crazy people doing terrible stuff. But I
think that that, Yeah, I think that we've we've got
to rear we've got to do the best what we
can with people. But actually I support the three strikes
because I'm just sort of generally I think that if
you have got to three strikes of the category of
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offenses that are required for you to be a subject
to three strikes, you are not. This is the third
time I've ever broken law. I mean back when I
practiced criminal law, and quite quite a while ago, Paul.
But you know, you'd meet someone, you'd deal with a
client who had done you know, had had a few
offenses for something. But the number of the rap sheets
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often of minor offenses. I mean, that's the problem. It's
about trying to what I support is trying to intervene
so people don't get to that point. Yeah, yeah, that's
I think's where we're probably same page.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think we do both, but my fear is that
we won't do both. We'll just do this because actually,
you're right, those early strikes should be red flags for interventions,
especially with youth.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And tim Just to ask you a question, they've reduced
the threshold so it's now a twelve month twelve month
for the first strike and twenty four for the six second.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, but it's the Yeah, I don't know. It'll be
interesting to see what it ends up looking like. But anyway,
there we go. You can you can text your feedback,
by the way, on nine to nine two.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is a slightly happier topic. The school lunches. So
David Seymour's school lunches are out and actually funny for
someone who's probably not seen as being much of a
sociologist in a way or a social sort of politician.
The lunches look fine. We did some fantastic took back
on my overnight show about how much would it would
cost in today's term for the lunch that you had
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as a child. I don't know, what's what's your take
on three dollars a lunch? Where you go check?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I've just arrived back from two and a half months
in Europe and this was one of the first stories
that caught my fence in. I thought, yep, I'm back
in New Zealand. You know where we're talking about lunches.
How does anybody produce a lunch for three dollars?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Easy? I was it easy? Well? I was thinking of
my lunch when I was growing up. When I was
growing up, it would have been sometimes a wee while ago. Yeah,
I know, but I'm in today's term. Today's terms, it'd
be a couple of sandwiches, probably a peanut butter, a
jam and a cheese and tomato or something and an apple.
I'm think saying that's that's coming in under three bucks? Kyle?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
What about what about you look I had to laugh
at the at the coverage of it, because it was
all the media jumped on the pr spin of the
act Party, which I guess is their prerogative. Look, I'm
all in favor of school lunches and in particularly in
lower demographic areas. My concern is that there's been quite
a few principles that have pointed out that actually their
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programs that they did have that will now be discontinued,
we're actually a lot broader than the lunches. They were
about getting kids engaged in the growing of food and
the producing and the making of food and actually from
garden to plate and those sorts of things, and unfortunately
some of those programs might fall by the wayside. So
I hope there's a way for those really integrated programs
to keep going. Because one of the things we know about,
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you know, food production globally, is it when people are
in contact actually with where food comes from, and we're
fortunate and using that a lot of us are well,
this is that we tend to have better diets, we
tend to appreciate food more, and actually we tend to
see less food waste.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
How much what did you have for lunch when you
were a kid.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know I was.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I was very disciplined with my lunch. I don't need
the intradition which you might sandwich lets no, no, no,
none of that green stuff and you know, packet of
chips and in our packet of chips.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
See we would have been so.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Probably under three bucks. Yeah, subject to inflation.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
What did you do? You remember what you same?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
We're just saying, but with Lettus let Us and the
vigeomtes and would you all beanut butter?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Actually, the amount of overlap when we were doing when
I was doing talk back on this on on what
kids had, it was so much the same. The one
thing that did come up with I do remember it
was the days when I was growing when luncheon sausage
was the thing and I did a look like dog roll.
Oh yeah, well pretty much. But the other one that
I was hundreds and thousands. I was a kid that
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used to have one healthy sandwich butter and then hundreds
and thousands.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And I'll tell you the other one which will be
frowned upon these days, but Beck and Parmiston auth. At
my primary school, we used to be able to get
a fish and chip order from around the corner.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
At lunch time. Actually, I remember I went to Sown
Primary and decole one or two and I got my
lunch made for me, and I thought that I was
the nerdy one, and the kids that got to get
the fish and chips in the pie every day were lucky.
And I realized now that they weren't the lucky ones
because they weren't having the healthy lunch, you know, mummud.
It was pretty cheap for a pie. I remember they'd
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have twenty or fifty cents or something. Let's not talk
about what.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Anyway, the funny thing I thought, the funniest thing was
David Seymour tasting the food and going, young, yum, this
is good.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I reckon in that context, any sort of food, if
it's warm and sort of got a bit of flavor
to it, you're going to go yum too, isn't it.
I dare say if they served it up at Bellamese,
would he be going.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh yum, It'd be like, what the hell is this
are you suggesting?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Anyway, Hey, look, we're going to be back in just
a moment. My guests Car McDonald and Paul Spoonley, and
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even though he doesn't let me using the world distinguished,
but it's Paul Spoonley.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
We've got a little bit more politics to kick off with, guys,
and I will throw this one to you Kyle, because look,
it's a story that's just pretty much done now, isn't it.
But Darlene Tanner is no longer an MP and speaker
Jerry Brownlee has completed this removed here from Parliament. It's
a long time coming. As a former Green Party candidate
list candidate. How do you how did you feel watching
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this play out? Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I was very pleased with the outcome. Actually, you know,
when you go through that process as I did in
twenty nineteen. You're asked about all these sorts of things
about whether there are any skeletons in your closet, and
of course, if you're going into politics, you understand exactly why,
because the last thing you want to do is sort
of have journalists stumble across something and bring your party
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into disrepute. So actually the issue was never whether or
not she was or wasn't involved in any of the
activity the point where she knew and she didn't tell them,
So that's so you know, it's high trust yea. And look,
she's tenacious, wasn't she She was? I mean, I guess
it's well paid.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But the reward for tenacity was what was it about?
Twelve grand a month.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It's a good salary even being an independent MP. But
you know, people have all sorts of views about the
Green Party process, but it's a robust process and it
does keep the membership involved and you know the members
have spoken.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Tim yeah, Paul, Yeah, it took rather too long for
my for my purposes, and I agree, and Taylor with Carl.
It's a high trust environment. She didn't clear any of
this and so she shouldn't have stayed on.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Actually quite selfish for her actions, quite.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Self and it does take an amazing amount of I
was really hard on her, and then when she's stuck
in there, part of me was sort of like, because
it was just such a circus, I was like, go Darlene,
not with any sincerity, but it's like.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, well, you know, it makes great radio.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well it's like, you know, someone in the boxing ring's
still hanging in there even though they be given the
count at the eight count a few times, and it's like, gosh,
she's she's really pretty tenacious.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But I do like the fact that there's like a
designated naughty area in Parliament. There's like the seats right
up the back where if you become a naughty stay
stick you're right in the back corner.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah. I think that's probably probably quite a good seat. Really.
You get to sort of you get to survey. The
whole chamber becomes part of your carl.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
The interesting thing for me was the Green Party response
given their position on the walker jumping.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, Tim and I were talking about this before we
came on air, and you know what I reckon normalized
politicians and political parties changing their mind different context. There's
no way that you can argue she was making a
principal stand. You know, I could imagine a scenario where
a Green Party MP might choose to stand down over
a particular policy point, and then then that the party
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would get itself in a real tangle because that was
their objection, right, But she wasn't taking a principled stand.
She tried to make it sound like she wasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
This is actually that's not been a good year for
the Greens.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It's been rough. Yeah, right, goals and of course a
FISO passing away. Yeah. Look, it's been a really rough ride.
So hopefully twenty twenty five is looking up for the Greens.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Hopefully. I actually this is one of the things where
I'm actually in support of the Greens using that wocker jumping,
which might surprise you because one of the things I
think it's almost to me quite a simplistic view of
things when the media say, hang on, but you were
against this legislation. But when law is passed, we have
to follow it, and sometimes it involves things we must
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do like pay our taxes, or we must not steal,
or we must not you know, kill people, and all
those sorts of things. But on the sort of more
amorphous front. There are laws which we just have to follow.
And also so I sort of think the law's been passed.
It's a bit like someone who might be pro a
capital gains tax, who it's not passed and they decide, well,
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I'm going to make some money out of property. They're
not a hypocrite. They're just following the law, you know
what I mean. It's it doesn't seem to me philosophically maatic.
It's the law, and everyone should be able to Everyone
should be should have to obey the law, but they
should also be able to all avail themselves of the
same laws. Because bingo, I think that's really good, really
good content for me. There, Car, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's nuanced?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Nuanced? Well, here's another one, Andrew Bailey. That was the
gift that kept on giving, at least for one news.
I think the news broke on and they were still
banging on about it on Wednesday, and I thought, wow,
this really is quite the story. I've got a hot
take which I'm going to sit on for a moment.
But okay, I thought that Andrew Bailey showed that he
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wasn't vergue, he wasn't he wasn't good at reading the
room or a particular person, and not good at telling
a joke was probably his worst crime.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
But I don't know what you said, whether you've seen
social media, but yeah, the discussion about Andrew Bailey and
whether he's got a funny bone is actually quite funny itself.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I don't think you read the room on that occasion.
But then when it came to Parliament the other day
and I watched it on TV, it was a mess
and Bishop needed to go.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Up and talk. Did you have drinks? Yes, because he did.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And I think now the question is is there anything
else that is to come out? If it's not, then
he's made an apology. He's acknowledged that he's done wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You know, is that the end of it? Or is
this thing?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
More so, if we look at what's happened over recent years,
I think there's quite a history of further stuff coming out, which.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well possibly, I mean, I think an early apology is
always a good thing, but it keept giving. What did
you What did you make of the whole thing? Kyle?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Look, I think you know, normalized politicians stuffing up. I
think what happens with a lot of times with these
situations is that the PR people and the media management
people get involved and it all gets very complicated. I'll
be interested to see, in a situation like this if
an MP actually had the gumption to turn up in
front of the media the next day and say, yep,
I stuffed up, I ran my mouth, I'd had a
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couple of drinks. I'm really sorry about that. I'm going
to have a bit of a bit of a look
at my drinking. And I've apologized the person and sent
them a create a wine and gone shook the hand.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And you know, didn't didn't he sort of front up.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
It was very one of those kind of look, I'm
sorry if anyone was offended, and it was a joke
that obviously didn't go down. It was a kind of
a bit of a fudgy kind of and it's sorry
to for her feelings, And.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It didn't really get airtime until the letter was circulated.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well exactly. It took a bit of poking and prodding
to get the full story out. I thought, you know,
I think Kiwis are actually pretty reasonable. I think if
people front up and so, yeah, I stuffed up, sorry
about that, I'll do better.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think he was entitled to say I didn't say
the F word if he didn't think he did, and
he did say look it obviously was I thought he
did apologize sufficiently. But here's the thing where I'm going
to have a crack, probably at the victim and the media.
I thought that the idea that the victim was treated
with this level of anonymity as if they were a
(26:38):
sexual assault victim when set seriously. A politician turned up
and was a tlutz and said something that wasn't funny,
and then the media bring up apparently former defense force,
and yet someone who's apparently a former defense force had
was too devastated and their feelings were too hurt. There's
no corroboration from anyone else about the version of events.
(27:01):
No one who was there has said, yes, this was
terrible for Andrew. And we got the victim who wrote
to three or four political parties, and I just it
just seems like someone's managed to go, oh, I've been offended.
He has a chance to stick it to the part,
to the to a guy. I don't like it. Just
I thought it had almost I thought Andrew Bailey not
funny bit of a dickhead victim, total dickhead. Is that
(27:25):
too harsh? It is for me?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
But I thought, Tim, I'm not sure there was anybody
else present.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Was there? I gathered that there was. He was being
he was he was being shown he was being shown
around and that. But and there's been simply no corroboration.
But it's been like this mysterious victim who's I don't know,
it's they're not a sexual assault victim. Some politicians said
something stupid to them. You'd think that they'd go, hey,
I was the guy, and yet.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It's all that's But I mean, I think also, let's
just let's just put a plug in here for being
careful with the role of how much you have to drink? Right,
I mean I have. I have plenty of people turning
up in front of me and my little private practice
here and who, for one reason or another might have
gotten a bit of strife, whether it be with family
or with their boss because they've had a bit much
of drink and run their mouth. And you know, maybe
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Andrew need to go and have a yarn with someone
about his drinking and have a reflect reflected, because because
if if you run your mouth when you've had a
few drinks.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And that's so hang on, you're you're you're assuming that
he had No he has said.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
He's denied to come out and say he had been drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Eventually, now he said he had a drink afterwards, he
was on his way to he had a wine tasting
subsequent to that. Unless I've missed something.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Oh look, I might have misconstrued that, but I understood
that he had been drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
No, no, that was the bishop went up to the
back to clarify, because he said I had a wine
tasting afterwards, right and then and then and he said no, no,
and he's clarified.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
This is a problem, isn't it. It's the muddle. Should
have fronted up at the first day and see if
this is what happened. I'm sorry about it.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Let's move on, fair enough, Okay, Well, everyone'll have their
own take on that, and I'll hide the text machine
from you because I'm sure we kind of come back
with more happier thoughts than fine, which which of us
are royalists and when we chat about King Charles visiting
Australia and Trogham and all that sort of thing, and yeah,
we'll be back in just a moment. It is twenty
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one minutes to four News Talks Hed b has you
make some that's all about and welcome back to the
(29:35):
Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage. My guests Paul Spoonley and
Kyle McDonald. Now I'll throw this to you because I'm
sure you're a staunch royalist, Kyle. King Charles is a
visit to Australia and also to Chogham and some up
and you would you'll be on his side with his
his remarks about you know, the need to protect the
environment and all that sort of stuff, so you might
(29:55):
be a fan of his in some respects.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, look, I'm not a fan of the system. But
King Charles does seem like a pretty decent bloke. I mean,
I don't think it's a bit of an anachronism. We're
all hear these days. I'd like to say he's going
to become a Republican in my lifetime, but probably won't
have maybe my kid's lifetime. But what he's looked, I mean,
he's he's highlighting the right things, and yeah, I mean
it's I just sort of feel it's a bit of
an irrelevance, But he does seem like a nice chap.
(30:19):
I have to say, relatively speaking, he's much more sort
of personable and engaging than Queen Elizabeth allowed herself to be.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Ah yeah, and she had a huge amount of affection.
But I was watching the walkabouts in Australia and it
does seem Paul that he he I don't know, since
he's taken on the mantle of being king and he's
had that he had the group hug with our rugby player,
which I thought was just Actually he's getting quite a
few hugs now he's opened the blood gates, doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Paul, Well, I think he's I think he's taken a
leaf out of his son's book. So William's a hugger.
William's really good with the public, and I think he's
he always struck me King Charles as being quite awkward
with the public, and it seems that he's getting more
relaxed and more informal, and I think that's a good thing.
(31:09):
I think it's a good thing that he reminds us
that there are some things that are more important than politics,
and so the environment's important. But I'm with Kyl, I
just you know, it just it just feels like an
irrelevance in twenty twenty four. It doesn't, you know, even
even the Commonwealth doesn't seem super important.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Sales woman's magazines, though.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I'm sure and I'm sure, I'm sure there's a constituency
out there that absolutely will be spitting.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Absolutely right now.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You and I have said, Oh, there's only one who
says saying, who are these idiots? That's the top of
the screens. You look, I'm not a I don't know
where I am. I think I'm a pragmatist that look,
it's a constitutional sort of arrangement. Arrangement, yeah, that's yeah,
(32:00):
and it seems to work and it doesn't offend me.
But it's I guess because we haven't had a monarch
who offends us, and that would be when we would
if we had someone in there was a bit of
a blank, or we might. And I think with regards
to Charles's uneasiness, I wonder if it's part of that
is while he was the air and waiting, he was
never really but now he's actually is the king and
(32:21):
he's he gets to do stuff. Yeah, and I think
he does have us. I think he seems like a
very warm hearted sort of and I thought that I
watched that thing with the with the black ferns. You know,
can I have a hargain? He just guts yes, why not?
You know? And then I saw someone hugging him in
Australia and I thought, if he's like, oh my goodness,
what have I started here? Yeah? But anyway, look, good luck.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You know you want you want, you want Royal to
be to be approachable, you want them to feel as
though they've got a connection with you. So I think
this new Charles is actually a good step in the
right direction.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, speaking of royalty, someone who has been accused of
wanting to be a king, old old Donald trumps and
as Gegant Donald's.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I've just taken a leaf out of Christopher Luckson's book.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I haven't I haven't read.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's what That's what our prime minister did before the
last election was turned up at McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I'm not sure he invented the let's let's do a
stint at McDonald's thing. In fact, I actually didn't luxon
are you talking about? Actually he worked at McDonald's lips.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, and he also did and also in the campaign
appeared to drive through window at one.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Point, that's right, but he actually did. It's on his
CV you can see on LinkedIn. He was a concierge
at the Crown Plaza or something in christ Church and
they worked at McDonald's. But I was surprised. I didn't
really follow it too closely. I saw a politician serving
fries and I didn't really care two hoots. But they
closed the whole McDonald's down so they could stage it,
which does look a little less organic? Does that put?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I know, but there's a typical Trump. So he now
claimed in a subsequent rally that twenty nine thousand people
turned up in a town that's less than twenty four
thousand because they were all, you know, they closed it
down and they only let people in. They vetted people in,
So immediately you go from this quite innocuous. I'll serve
(34:08):
a few fries too. And the other thing is that
the McDonald's that he was at had failed its last
health for inspection.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Which actually that's the other story that's popped out about
McDonald's is around the the onion patragically, someone's died of
food poisoning.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
And yeah, in the US, as a result of the
food poisonings is a number in hospital. One person's passed away.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Because that, of all the things about Donald should have
washed his hands, Ronald.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
That's the story that they've been running, did he wash
his hands Ronald?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Because that is the regardless of whether you're a fan
of McDonald's as well. I mean, I'm sure everyone here
has had McDonald's, haven't we. I quite like, yeah, so
do I from time to time. But the thing that
you the big message from McDonald's is that you feel,
no matter where you go in the world, you're going
to have a safe, consistent sort of meal. You know
exactly what to expect. Even though I have been or
(35:05):
a couple of McDonald's where I was a bit disappointed,
But now, I mean, it's the worst headline for McDonald's,
isn't it. You know, let's get the old e COLI
what did you make of the donald? By the way,
and the donald they're not Ronald McDonald but donal.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Isn't it the presidential campaign? It's just such a I mean,
from a New Zealand point of view. Someone pointed out
one of the American columnists, I think for the New
York Times, this is the least amount of policy that's
ever been discussed in a presidential election. It's all feels
and pitch and you know, and talking points in culture wars.
Is very little policy actually being discussed. It's a it's
(35:37):
a bit of a side show, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
But that's scary and it is that is scary because
this is the most powerful nation in the world, and
who are going to get as president without knowing what
their policy is going to be? And are we going
to get somebody who's going to ramp up the cultural
wars in a way that you know, I mean, you
know he's already talking about sacking people.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, and prison people.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
People. Don't send us the hate people because none of
us here on the panel like Donald Trump. And you'll
just have to say it up and we'll have to
go with.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
What it's third starts. You've taken the ten third starts.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
We'll be back in just a moment. Note, because we've
got one other big topic to talk about, speaking of
King Charles and Huggs. I don't think you get away
with a three minute hug with the King, but they
might and you won't get away with it to need
an airport. That's next in just a moment. Eleven minutes
to four news talks. He'd be stop where akin is
your truck?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Reach?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Did you? Did you ex fun house?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
There's a way I'm They're sure you're last, say goodbye,
just wish you.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And welcome back to the Weekend Collective. We're almost a
wrap for the hour, but my guests are car MacDonald
and Paul Spoonley and the lucky last topic is as
I said, speaking of hugs, I thought this is actually
quite just a nice little bit of pr in a
way because it doesn't seem to me a serious rule
of the three minute hug limit on at New Zealand Airport,
(37:02):
but basically trying to say, look, if you're going to
spend ages than the departure sort of area giving hugs,
maybe do it all out in the car park. But
I don't know. It's telling people to do what they
have to do in the car park. Doesn't sound particularly healthy,
does it pause No.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
It doesn't. It's a weird one. As I said before
I got back to New Zealand and the two things
with David Seymour and the lunches and the three minute
hugs had to need an airport. It's got huge publicity
overseas so in that sense they've got what they needed.
But did you notice the Canadians couldn't pronounce Dunedin.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
What did they say? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I mean they just completely mispronounced it. So they had
no idea because it's the Gaelic for Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Of course, yes, of course it yes, really.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Edinburgh and then done city of Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Not know that.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Actually, a three minute hug, I mean, what they think
they mean is the three minute farewell. But a three
minute hug is a creepily long period to high you know.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Three minute huggs four play, So I mean, you know
you shouldn't be doing that to depend some.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
People, a three minute hug would be the whole shebang
trying to roll over and go to sleep. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I'm intrigued what Kyle considers play here.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I didn't have that on my list. Coming off after
the break, we're going to be discussing four play. I
should be aware that there are probably parents who are
driving in the car with the kids right now and
mummy and that's a tennis team exactly. Actually, I like
what de Bono said. Daniel de Bono, who is the
chief executive. He said don't worry. Twenty second hug is
(38:35):
enough to release oxytocin and serotonin, the happy hormones that
boost well being. So three minutes is plenty of time
to say goodbye and get your dose of happiness. Just
I think it's just been a fun story, isn't Paul,
It has been a fun story.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
It is.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
It is a particularly New Zealand story, though, isn't it? Like,
why would you tell anybody even if it was a joke.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, that was your that was your limit.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, And of course you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm
flying down to Dunedin, so I'm going to be very
I'm going to be looking, I'm going to be watching,
and I bet there are people who are going to go,
let's go and take five minute hugs.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Actually, you know what I think people will do if
I was and it's the student town as well, let's
face it, I would be going there and I would
be going and doing a two minute, fifty nine second
hug because it is a long and then yeah, yeah,
that's it. Yeah, anyway, listen, good on toned, welcome back
to New Zealand. Yeah, yes, yes, indeed, Hey guys, thanks
(39:32):
so much for coming on the on the panel stuff,
and you're doing anything interesting for the rest of Labor.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Weekend, Carle, I'm going to be going home from here,
putting my feet up and watching the New Zealanders finish
off India for their first ever home test victory in India.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
It isn't haven't times changed and New Zealand twenty years
ago you'd be talking all about the Test match with
the All Backs tonight, Paul. What's the rest of your weekend?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Auckland left c tomorrow. I'll bet the game and gardening.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Actually just quickly, it was about forty seconds to go.
I love the idea of Auckland FC and just how
much energy is behind that, and I think it's I'm
hoping they're going to be a real surprise.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I was really surprised at how many people turned up
with the merchandise last week and that completely took me
by You were you one of them?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
No, no, I didn't have merchandise. I was there, but
I didn't have did you? Are you going to buy
some merchandise?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Will excellent? Next time we see on the panel likes
picture in the Auckland FC stuff and I'll stimulate the
rest of the rest of the hour on sport. Anyway, Hey,
thanks so much. That was the panel. Coming up next
it is the One Roof Radio Show, but go and
check it out. If you've missed the panel, great fun.
Go and check out wherever you podcast look for the
Weekend Collective. Car McDonald's Paul Spoonley enjoyed the rest of
(40:41):
your afternoon. We'll be back in just to Tech with
the One Roof Radio Show, and Nicole Lewis joins US
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I'm I'm on my way happiness. I'm on my way
one from this world to make the next world. Then
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again to Cort had a very warm welcome to you.
This is the week in Collective. As I always so,
I'm off attempted to let the music roll on if
we're really enjoying the tune there, But there we go.
We're on our way from misery which is the news
to happiness, which is the Weekend Collective for today Saturday,
the twenty sixth of October. And my name is Tim
(01:10):
Beveridge and just a mo able to be introducing my panelists,
but just looking a little further ahead in the show
where you can text your feedback anytime. By the way,
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apply from four o'clock for the one roof property are
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We have a chat about whether it's time for the
investors or if you're an investor, to get into the
(01:30):
market with the interest rates plummeting or should you wait
till they've well they're not plummeting yet, we will think
they're going to be plumting. So we'll be having a
chat with Nicole Lewis about that on the One Roof
radio show at four o'clock and for five o'clock we're
joined by the Parents for the Parents Squad by Dave Batkinson,
who's a parenting expert from the parenting place, and have
be a chat actually just around becoming a parent and
(01:53):
not worrying about your children's mental health but your own
and whether in fact you know there is a bit
of an adjustment you need to you need to undergo
and how to best cope with it, which we could
probably talk about in the panel with one of my guests.
I'm about introduced, but anyway, that will be coming up
five o'clock, but right now it is time for the panel.
We have a new panelist. By the way we hold
(02:14):
hold your breath. We should almost have a drum roll,
shouldn't we a timpany roller? That's probably too late for
my producer to organize that sound effect. Subtle hint. My
first guest, he is a regular actually on the panelist
but also on news talks. He'd be he's a host
of the Nutters Club, a psycho therapist extraordinary, I like
to think, and his name is that sounds a bit overspreaking.
(02:34):
You can put that in your business card, Kyle McDonald
good good, I wanted like a longer business card to
fit that on THO. They are psycho, their extraordin and
their two words.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Psychotherapist is one of those professions. It only just fits
on the immigration card, which is does it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Is it one of those ones that when you have
to fill out the little squares, you.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Have to make that decision whether you're going to make
all the letters fit in the actual box or where
you squeeze.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Then at the end and we call yourself psych I
could psycho.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'm not sure that would help it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Customs well, it might be a calling card. And actually
that voice may not have given it away. But because
he has actually been on the panel before it but
not when I've been here. And he's a bit flash
because he is a distinguished professor of sociology at Massive University.
His name is Paul Spoonley. Paul what is a distinguished professor.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well professor as a as a as a career high
but distinguished as when you get recognized internationally.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Oh and what sort of recognition, Like you see something
from another university that Paul, sorry, something like that to
something that yes, actually, no, seriously, what what does recognition
from another university?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Does that mean that they you're internationally recognized as an
expert in your field?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Do they fill out a form and say give you it?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I mean, well, it's all it's all done. You're not
aware that you're being considered for it. But the university
then goes to international experts and says, what's in.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Other words, you know, it's okay, he's made a professor
at this university, but what are we in them? It's
like we we like and we think we can quote
us writing and all that sort of stuff, and he's, oh, good,
stuff does sound quite flash, isn't it? It does it?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Does the kids call me undistinguished?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well, yes, they probably called you something else. Actually that's
probably your hitting. You hit for a nightclub with the
nightclub Knighthood. It is Saturday.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That wouldn't be very distinguished.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Sorry, that's so roundom. It's like you find out you're distinguished, like, hey,
let's go clubbing. Yeah, sorry, total slip of the tongue.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We got to start off with a few laughs, because
the first topic is and it's look, it's new, it's
breaking news in the last hour or two that Israel
has attacks of strategic targets, military targets in Iran in
response to well basically, and they've probably got a fair
point here months of attacks by and its proxies in
the region. But of course there wouldn't be anyone wouldn't
(05:09):
be a bit concerned about. My pulse went up. I
think when I saw the TV screen when I walked
in here.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Paul, Yeah, I look, I don't know where this is
going to end or how it's going to end, but
it does have to. And it's really the sovereignty of
countries and what we're seeing is the ongoing attacks. And
I just despair. Really, I don't I don't know what
the answer is.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
To No, it would be great if you had the answer,
because there could be people in Iran listening in Israel
going I heard this New Zealand And talk show where
this guy, Paul Sperley had the answer.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Even more distinctished share this, what's your reaction to it? Can't. Oh, look,
it's been interesting. Like I have permanent Google searcher set
up for sort of mental health things to keep an
eye on global news about these things. And there's a
lot of writing in the moment in America about the
mental health impacts of the election, and so I can
only imagine that this, on top of the you know,
the last what are we ten days, two weeks or
(06:00):
something impending election in the States as really going to
have an impact on people's emotional health if you over engage.
And I think that's you know, that's my warning is
it's good to keep abreast of what's happening, you know,
sitting and watching CNN for three or four hours, you know,
with the endless sort of loops of the trauma, probably
not a great idea.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I actually, while I was busy doing some shows on
ZB in a different time slot and and while I
was tuning into the news, then I had a week
off and I actually realized that I hadn't thought about
not the Israel things so much, which probably still popped up.
But I tuned out of American politics for two or
three weeks, and god, it was good. It was just
so you know, it's because you can. It's but like
(06:42):
people who obsessed with Twitter, and they go in and
they get triggered, and then they and then they're just
winding themselves up. And sometimes it's like, you know what,
just maybe take a step back at doing that. Poor. Yeah, no,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Part of my job is actually monitoring extremism and extremism
around the world, and what we have to do is
actually have strategies for de stressing. And so we've got
things like, if you're looking at something online, you minimize
the screen, you make it black and white, you turn
the sound off, and you only watch it for ten
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to fifteen minutes max. And then you've got to find
something else to do. So I agree with both of you.
I think that the world is a really stressful place,
made even more stressful by the media. And I'm I'm
a you know, I watch a lot of social media
and I've.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Got to get therapy.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Car I've got to get therapy for it, because it
really is becomes debilitating, it becomes depressing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Supervision we call it in my field. So if you're
a therapist or health worker, you can't talk to a
colleague every couple of weeks and sort of have your
own debrief, But I mean it makes sense to have
supervision for that kind of work. There's are great strategies,
by the way, I hadn't heard those before. Maybe that
you should minimize scene into the bottom corner of so.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You can actually do that. You can you look at
certain things on a black and white screen where you.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Can actually have in particular, you transfer it into a
black and white format and your minimum so it's effectively
a quarter of your screen rather than the whole screen.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So it's just a way, how do you transfer it
into black and white? Are we're talking on a net
browser that you just go, I want to view everything
black and white a year? Well, there's a software package.
Oh so you've got something special. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
could say that. Of course I'm something special, and you
listen to my introduction. I'm a distinguished professor.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah enough already to.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Actually but there I think I look, I look at
social media and I follow it because often you'll find
break it's actually strangely enough of breaking news. Sometimes you'll
see it on Twitter first, but maybe not necessarily follow
Rutter's or something for that, but I think it will say.
The other thing is just don't go into the comments
as well. But I mean, if it's part of your job,
you're him to delve into all sorts of stuff, which
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I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's actually a I mean, I don't want to get
off on a hobby horse here, but the social media
world at the moment is a really destructive, negative place,
and I don't know how we get on. I mean,
you know, I hope that the three of us can
look at something and put it into context and understand
what it is we're looking at, but it seems a
lot of people don't, and you get this, you get
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this echo chamber effect, which is really quite distressing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I think I'm trying to think of what I've been
doing lately, and I have made a slight change in
just taking time to appreciate doing stuff with my kids
or for them and things like that, And you really
do need to. You've just got to have something completely
different where you just because I used to be if
something's on my phone the kids come home and I'm
still on, I just go right down. It goes. Let's
focus on whatever the routine is, and gosh, what a
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breath of fresh area it is to get away from
that anyway. Look, We're not going to dwell on too
much into the Israeli aroun thing. It's going to be
developing new story and I imagine we'll be probably coming
a little bit tomorrow on our politics show at three o'clock.
Now onto politics, though the government is tightening the three
strikes bill. Because we haven't had you on before, Paul,
I'll be interesting to know your take on this, but
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we'll start with you, Kyle. Do you welcome the return
of three strikes? I think, I know, I think I
know your aunts will be no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Look, I mean the firstly, I think one of the
concerning things is it's not entirely clear whether there's some
suggestion that it might also be retrospective, which I think
constitutionally is quite concerning. So what I mean by that
is that actually the act will be expected to be
retrospectively on people who have committed one or two strikes
prior to the legislation being.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Halted, which is which is a hilarry zone.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Well it is, and it was also subject I think
probably to challenge legally. But setting that aside from the
point of view of for acidivism and crime, I mean,
I think you know this this is one of those
policies that makes people feel safe, but I'm not sure
does much for actual safety. And one of the things
that a lot of people don't realize about New Zealand
is we actually do have, per capita, one of the
highest prison populations in the world. We actually have a
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lot of people locked up, and I'm not sure that
actually works all that well. You know, on the Nuttis Club,
over the years, we've had lots of people who have
been through the prison system, and you know, it would
be great to think that actually we could spend some
money or mental health and rehabilitation in prisons because there's
a lot of people who will benefit from that. Yes,
there's people who probably need to be locked up for
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everybody's safety, maybe for a long time, but that transition
out for people I think is really hard.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, Paul, Yeah, I didn't know a lot about this,
so I went and I'm an evidence sort of guy,
So what's the evidence? And I think the evidence is
really really mixed, so doesn't have an effect on reducing
crime rates. The evidence on balances no, So it's a
punitive one. It's one that the coalition government have said
that they would do, so they're going to do it.
(11:41):
But what was interesting is that, to go to Kyle's point,
tim advice from ministry officials says, actually, you can't make
something subject. You can't penalize something. You can't penalize someone
for something that they did when the legislation wasn't in act,
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and so it's going to be open to.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
The retrospective legislation. I think what they're trying to do
for the exception, as they're saying, so when the legislation
was accumulating strikes, people accumulated a couple of strikes, and
then the legislation was overturned, and during that period, you
can't accumulate strikes. But what they're saying, if you accumulated
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strikes under the old regime, those are still going to count.
So it's a little bit of a blurry area. They're
not going to suddenly say the people who were committing
those offenses while the law wasn't in place, they can't
do that. That would be but I think it's a
really half way house. It's going to be interesting to
see legally, it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Is going to be interesting. Can I just make a
two quick more point. Firstly, ministry advice is that it
will increase the prison population by thirty three to eighty
nine people, between thirty three and eighty nine people, which
is an additional cost of four million to ten point
seven million. And I think the other thing for me
is doesn't government or those who are promoting this trust judges,
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I don't, don't you.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, I think we've gone a bit too I think
we have gone a bit too soft. I mean, here's
a case in point. That guy Kaylee Leona who killed
the woman on the bus, sentence to it. And this
is a justice system thing as much as anything, sentence
someone to. He was sentenced sorry to a year and
seven months. Four years, four months later, he murders someone
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on a bus. Something's wrong there, And Okay, you're never
going to prevent crazy people doing terrible stuff. But I
think that that, Yeah, I think that we've we've got
to rear we've got to do the best what we
can with people. But actually I support the three strikes
because I'm just sort of generally I think that if
you have got to three strikes of the category of
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offenses that are required for you to be a subject
to three strikes, you are not. This is the third
time I've ever broken law. I mean back when I
practiced criminal law, and quite quite a while ago, Paul.
But you know, you'd meet someone, you'd deal with a
client who had done you know, had had a few
offenses for something. But the number of the rap sheets
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often of minor offenses. I mean, that's the problem. It's
about trying to what I support is trying to intervene
so people don't get to that point. Yeah, yeah, that's
I think's where we're probably same page.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think we do both, but my fear is that
we won't do both. We'll just do this because actually,
you're right, those early strikes should be red flags for interventions,
especially with youth.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And tim Just to ask you a question, they've reduced
the threshold so it's now a twelve month twelve month
for the first strike and twenty four for the six second.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, but it's the Yeah, I don't know. It'll be
interesting to see what it ends up looking like. But anyway,
there we go. You can you can text your feedback,
by the way, on nine to nine two.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is a slightly happier topic. The school lunches. So
David Seymour's school lunches are out and actually funny for
someone who's probably not seen as being much of a
sociologist in a way or a social sort of politician.
The lunches look fine. We did some fantastic took back
on my overnight show about how much would it would
cost in today's term for the lunch that you had
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as a child. I don't know, what's what's your take
on three dollars a lunch? Where you go check?
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I've just arrived back from two and a half months
in Europe and this was one of the first stories
that caught my fence in. I thought, yep, I'm back
in New Zealand. You know where we're talking about lunches.
How does anybody produce a lunch for three dollars?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Easy? I was it easy? Well? I was thinking of
my lunch when I was growing up. When I was
growing up, it would have been sometimes a wee while ago. Yeah,
I know, but I'm in today's term. Today's terms, it'd
be a couple of sandwiches, probably a peanut butter, a
jam and a cheese and tomato or something and an apple.
I'm think saying that's that's coming in under three bucks? Kyle?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
What about what about you look I had to laugh
at the at the coverage of it, because it was
all the media jumped on the pr spin of the
act Party, which I guess is their prerogative. Look, I'm
all in favor of school lunches and in particularly in
lower demographic areas. My concern is that there's been quite
a few principles that have pointed out that actually their
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programs that they did have that will now be discontinued,
we're actually a lot broader than the lunches. They were
about getting kids engaged in the growing of food and
the producing and the making of food and actually from
garden to plate and those sorts of things, and unfortunately
some of those programs might fall by the wayside. So
I hope there's a way for those really integrated programs
to keep going. Because one of the things we know about,
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you know, food production globally, is it when people are
in contact actually with where food comes from, and we're
fortunate and using that a lot of us are well,
this is that we tend to have better diets, we
tend to appreciate food more, and actually we tend to
see less food waste.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
How much what did you have for lunch when you
were a kid.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know I was.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I was very disciplined with my lunch. I don't need
the intradition which you might sandwich lets no, no, no,
none of that green stuff and you know, packet of
chips and in our packet of chips.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
See we would have been so.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Probably under three bucks. Yeah, subject to inflation.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
What did you do? You remember what you same?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
We're just saying, but with Lettus let Us and the
vigeomtes and would you all beanut butter?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Actually, the amount of overlap when we were doing when
I was doing talk back on this on on what
kids had, it was so much the same. The one
thing that did come up with I do remember it
was the days when I was growing when luncheon sausage
was the thing and I did a look like dog roll.
Oh yeah, well pretty much. But the other one that
I was hundreds and thousands. I was a kid that
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used to have one healthy sandwich butter and then hundreds
and thousands.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And I'll tell you the other one which will be
frowned upon these days, but Beck and Parmiston auth. At
my primary school, we used to be able to get
a fish and chip order from around the corner.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
At lunch time. Actually, I remember I went to Sown
Primary and decole one or two and I got my
lunch made for me, and I thought that I was
the nerdy one, and the kids that got to get
the fish and chips in the pie every day were lucky.
And I realized now that they weren't the lucky ones
because they weren't having the healthy lunch, you know, mummud.
It was pretty cheap for a pie. I remember they'd
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have twenty or fifty cents or something. Let's not talk
about what.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Anyway, the funny thing I thought, the funniest thing was
David Seymour tasting the food and going, young, yum, this
is good.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I reckon in that context, any sort of food, if
it's warm and sort of got a bit of flavor
to it, you're going to go yum too, isn't it.
I dare say if they served it up at Bellamese,
would he be going.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh yum, It'd be like, what the hell is this
are you suggesting?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Anyway, Hey, look, we're going to be back in just
a moment. My guests Car McDonald and Paul Spoonley, and
this is the weekend collective of the panel on news
talks here bit it's twenty five past three. If you're
blue lang, you no no where to go to?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Why don't you go wear fashion?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Did friend Tipsy called pants with the stripes and calls
us this is a This is a bit of a
throwback to what the eighties? I think this music? Is
it putting on the rats? Anyway? I'm Tim Beverage. Welcome
back to the Weekend collect that. This is the panel
and my guests psycho therapist Cal MacDonald and distinguished professor
(19:38):
even though he doesn't let me using the world distinguished,
but it's Paul Spoonley.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
We've got a little bit more politics to kick off with, guys,
and I will throw this one to you Kyle, because look,
it's a story that's just pretty much done now, isn't it.
But Darlene Tanner is no longer an MP and speaker
Jerry Brownlee has completed this removed here from Parliament. It's
a long time coming. As a former Green Party candidate
list candidate. How do you how did you feel watching
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this play out? Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I was very pleased with the outcome. Actually, you know,
when you go through that process as I did in
twenty nineteen. You're asked about all these sorts of things
about whether there are any skeletons in your closet, and
of course, if you're going into politics, you understand exactly why,
because the last thing you want to do is sort
of have journalists stumble across something and bring your party
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into disrepute. So actually the issue was never whether or
not she was or wasn't involved in any of the
activity the point where she knew and she didn't tell them,
So that's so you know, it's high trust yea. And look,
she's tenacious, wasn't she She was? I mean, I guess
it's well paid.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But the reward for tenacity was what was it about?
Twelve grand a month.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
It's a good salary even being an independent MP. But
you know, people have all sorts of views about the
Green Party process, but it's a robust process and it
does keep the membership involved and you know the members
have spoken.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Tim yeah, Paul, Yeah, it took rather too long for
my for my purposes, and I agree, and Taylor with Carl.
It's a high trust environment. She didn't clear any of
this and so she shouldn't have stayed on.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Actually quite selfish for her actions, quite.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Self and it does take an amazing amount of I
was really hard on her, and then when she's stuck
in there, part of me was sort of like, because
it was just such a circus, I was like, go Darlene,
not with any sincerity, but it's like.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, well, you know, it makes great radio.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well it's like, you know, someone in the boxing ring's
still hanging in there even though they be given the
count at the eight count a few times, and it's like, gosh,
she's she's really pretty tenacious.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But I do like the fact that there's like a
designated naughty area in Parliament. There's like the seats right
up the back where if you become a naughty stay
stick you're right in the back corner.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah. I think that's probably probably quite a good seat. Really.
You get to sort of you get to survey. The
whole chamber becomes part of your carl.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
The interesting thing for me was the Green Party response
given their position on the walker jumping.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, Tim and I were talking about this before we
came on air, and you know what I reckon normalized
politicians and political parties changing their mind different context. There's
no way that you can argue she was making a
principal stand. You know, I could imagine a scenario where
a Green Party MP might choose to stand down over
a particular policy point, and then then that the party
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would get itself in a real tangle because that was
their objection, right, But she wasn't taking a principled stand.
She tried to make it sound like she wasn't.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
This is actually that's not been a good year for
the Greens.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It's been rough. Yeah, right, goals and of course a
FISO passing away. Yeah. Look, it's been a really rough ride.
So hopefully twenty twenty five is looking up for the Greens.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Hopefully. I actually this is one of the things where
I'm actually in support of the Greens using that wocker jumping,
which might surprise you because one of the things I
think it's almost to me quite a simplistic view of
things when the media say, hang on, but you were
against this legislation. But when law is passed, we have
to follow it, and sometimes it involves things we must
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do like pay our taxes, or we must not steal,
or we must not you know, kill people, and all
those sorts of things. But on the sort of more
amorphous front. There are laws which we just have to follow.
And also so I sort of think the law's been passed.
It's a bit like someone who might be pro a
capital gains tax, who it's not passed and they decide, well,
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I'm going to make some money out of property. They're
not a hypocrite. They're just following the law, you know
what I mean. It's it doesn't seem to me philosophically maatic.
It's the law, and everyone should be able to Everyone
should be should have to obey the law, but they
should also be able to all avail themselves of the
same laws. Because bingo, I think that's really good, really
good content for me. There, Car, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's nuanced?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Nuanced? Well, here's another one, Andrew Bailey. That was the
gift that kept on giving, at least for one news.
I think the news broke on and they were still
banging on about it on Wednesday, and I thought, wow,
this really is quite the story. I've got a hot
take which I'm going to sit on for a moment.
But okay, I thought that Andrew Bailey showed that he
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wasn't vergue, he wasn't he wasn't good at reading the
room or a particular person, and not good at telling
a joke was probably his worst crime.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
But I don't know what you said, whether you've seen
social media, but yeah, the discussion about Andrew Bailey and
whether he's got a funny bone is actually quite funny itself.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I don't think you read the room on that occasion.
But then when it came to Parliament the other day
and I watched it on TV, it was a mess
and Bishop needed to go.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Up and talk. Did you have drinks? Yes, because he did.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And I think now the question is is there anything
else that is to come out? If it's not, then
he's made an apology. He's acknowledged that he's done wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
You know, is that the end of it? Or is
this thing?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
More so, if we look at what's happened over recent years,
I think there's quite a history of further stuff coming out, which.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well possibly, I mean, I think an early apology is
always a good thing, but it keept giving. What did
you What did you make of the whole thing? Kyle?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Look, I think you know, normalized politicians stuffing up. I
think what happens with a lot of times with these
situations is that the PR people and the media management
people get involved and it all gets very complicated. I'll
be interested to see, in a situation like this if
an MP actually had the gumption to turn up in
front of the media the next day and say, yep,
I stuffed up, I ran my mouth, I'd had a
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couple of drinks. I'm really sorry about that. I'm going
to have a bit of a bit of a look
at my drinking. And I've apologized the person and sent
them a create a wine and gone shook the hand.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And you know, didn't didn't he sort of front up.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
It was very one of those kind of look, I'm
sorry if anyone was offended, and it was a joke
that obviously didn't go down. It was a kind of
a bit of a fudgy kind of and it's sorry
to for her feelings, And.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It didn't really get airtime until the letter was circulated.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Well exactly. It took a bit of poking and prodding
to get the full story out. I thought, you know,
I think Kiwis are actually pretty reasonable. I think if
people front up and so, yeah, I stuffed up, sorry
about that, I'll do better.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think he was entitled to say I didn't say
the F word if he didn't think he did, and
he did say look it obviously was I thought he
did apologize sufficiently. But here's the thing where I'm going
to have a crack, probably at the victim and the media.
I thought that the idea that the victim was treated
with this level of anonymity as if they were a
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sexual assault victim when set seriously. A politician turned up
and was a tlutz and said something that wasn't funny,
and then the media bring up apparently former defense force,
and yet someone who's apparently a former defense force had
was too devastated and their feelings were too hurt. There's
no corroboration from anyone else about the version of events.
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No one who was there has said, yes, this was
terrible for Andrew. And we got the victim who wrote
to three or four political parties, and I just it
just seems like someone's managed to go, oh, I've been offended.
He has a chance to stick it to the part,
to the to a guy. I don't like it. Just
I thought it had almost I thought Andrew Bailey not
funny bit of a dickhead victim, total dickhead. Is that
(27:25):
too harsh? It is for me?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
But I thought, Tim, I'm not sure there was anybody
else present.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Was there? I gathered that there was. He was being
he was he was being shown he was being shown
around and that. But and there's been simply no corroboration.
But it's been like this mysterious victim who's I don't know,
it's they're not a sexual assault victim. Some politicians said
something stupid to them. You'd think that they'd go, hey,
I was the guy, and yet.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It's all that's But I mean, I think also, let's
just let's just put a plug in here for being
careful with the role of how much you have to drink? Right,
I mean I have. I have plenty of people turning
up in front of me and my little private practice
here and who, for one reason or another might have
gotten a bit of strife, whether it be with family
or with their boss because they've had a bit much
of drink and run their mouth. And you know, maybe
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Andrew need to go and have a yarn with someone
about his drinking and have a reflect reflected, because because
if if you run your mouth when you've had a
few drinks.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And that's so hang on, you're you're you're assuming that
he had No he has said.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
He's denied to come out and say he had been drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Eventually, now he said he had a drink afterwards, he
was on his way to he had a wine tasting
subsequent to that. Unless I've missed something.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Oh look, I might have misconstrued that, but I understood
that he had been drinking.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
No, no, that was the bishop went up to the
back to clarify, because he said I had a wine
tasting afterwards, right and then and then and he said no, no,
and he's clarified.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
This is a problem, isn't it. It's the muddle. Should
have fronted up at the first day and see if
this is what happened. I'm sorry about it.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Let's move on, fair enough, Okay, Well, everyone'll have their
own take on that, and I'll hide the text machine
from you because I'm sure we kind of come back
with more happier thoughts than fine, which which of us
are royalists and when we chat about King Charles visiting
Australia and Trogham and all that sort of thing, and yeah,
we'll be back in just a moment. It is twenty
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one minutes to four News Talks Hed b has you
make some that's all about and welcome back to the
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Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage. My guests Paul Spoonley and
Kyle McDonald. Now I'll throw this to you because I'm
sure you're a staunch royalist, Kyle. King Charles is a
visit to Australia and also to Chogham and some up
and you would you'll be on his side with his
his remarks about you know, the need to protect the
environment and all that sort of stuff, so you might
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be a fan of his in some respects.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, look, I'm not a fan of the system. But
King Charles does seem like a pretty decent bloke. I mean,
I don't think it's a bit of an anachronism. We're
all hear these days. I'd like to say he's going
to become a Republican in my lifetime, but probably won't
have maybe my kid's lifetime. But what he's looked, I mean,
he's he's highlighting the right things, and yeah, I mean
it's I just sort of feel it's a bit of
an irrelevance, But he does seem like a nice chap.
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I have to say, relatively speaking, he's much more sort
of personable and engaging than Queen Elizabeth allowed herself to be.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Ah yeah, and she had a huge amount of affection.
But I was watching the walkabouts in Australia and it
does seem Paul that he he I don't know, since
he's taken on the mantle of being king and he's
had that he had the group hug with our rugby player,
which I thought was just Actually he's getting quite a
few hugs now he's opened the blood gates, doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Paul, Well, I think he's I think he's taken a
leaf out of his son's book. So William's a hugger.
William's really good with the public, and I think he's
he always struck me King Charles as being quite awkward
with the public, and it seems that he's getting more
relaxed and more informal, and I think that's a good thing.
(31:09):
I think it's a good thing that he reminds us
that there are some things that are more important than politics,
and so the environment's important. But I'm with Kyl, I
just you know, it just it just feels like an
irrelevance in twenty twenty four. It doesn't, you know, even
even the Commonwealth doesn't seem super important.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Sales woman's magazines, though.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I'm sure and I'm sure, I'm sure there's a constituency
out there that absolutely will be spitting.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Absolutely right now.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You and I have said, Oh, there's only one who
says saying, who are these idiots? That's the top of
the screens. You look, I'm not a I don't know
where I am. I think I'm a pragmatist that look,
it's a constitutional sort of arrangement. Arrangement, yeah, that's yeah,
(32:00):
and it seems to work and it doesn't offend me.
But it's I guess because we haven't had a monarch
who offends us, and that would be when we would
if we had someone in there was a bit of
a blank, or we might. And I think with regards
to Charles's uneasiness, I wonder if it's part of that
is while he was the air and waiting, he was
never really but now he's actually is the king and
(32:21):
he's he gets to do stuff. Yeah, and I think
he does have us. I think he seems like a
very warm hearted sort of and I thought that I
watched that thing with the with the black ferns. You know,
can I have a hargain? He just guts yes, why not?
You know? And then I saw someone hugging him in
Australia and I thought, if he's like, oh my goodness,
what have I started here? Yeah? But anyway, look, good luck.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You know you want you want, you want Royal to
be to be approachable, you want them to feel as
though they've got a connection with you. So I think
this new Charles is actually a good step in the
right direction.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, speaking of royalty, someone who has been accused of
wanting to be a king, old old Donald trumps and
as Gegant Donald's.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I've just taken a leaf out of Christopher Luckson's book.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I haven't I haven't read.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's what That's what our prime minister did before the
last election was turned up at McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I'm not sure he invented the let's let's do a
stint at McDonald's thing. In fact, I actually didn't luxon
are you talking about? Actually he worked at McDonald's lips.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Yeah, and he also did and also in the campaign
appeared to drive through window at one.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Point, that's right, but he actually did. It's on his
CV you can see on LinkedIn. He was a concierge
at the Crown Plaza or something in christ Church and
they worked at McDonald's. But I was surprised. I didn't
really follow it too closely. I saw a politician serving
fries and I didn't really care two hoots. But they
closed the whole McDonald's down so they could stage it,
which does look a little less organic? Does that put?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I know, but there's a typical Trump. So he now
claimed in a subsequent rally that twenty nine thousand people
turned up in a town that's less than twenty four
thousand because they were all, you know, they closed it
down and they only let people in. They vetted people in,
So immediately you go from this quite innocuous. I'll serve
(34:08):
a few fries too. And the other thing is that
the McDonald's that he was at had failed its last
health for inspection.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Which actually that's the other story that's popped out about
McDonald's is around the the onion patragically, someone's died of
food poisoning.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
And yeah, in the US, as a result of the
food poisonings is a number in hospital. One person's passed away.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Because that, of all the things about Donald should have
washed his hands, Ronald.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
That's the story that they've been running, did he wash
his hands Ronald?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Because that is the regardless of whether you're a fan
of McDonald's as well. I mean, I'm sure everyone here
has had McDonald's, haven't we. I quite like, yeah, so
do I from time to time. But the thing that
you the big message from McDonald's is that you feel,
no matter where you go in the world, you're going
to have a safe, consistent sort of meal. You know
exactly what to expect. Even though I have been or
(35:05):
a couple of McDonald's where I was a bit disappointed,
But now, I mean, it's the worst headline for McDonald's,
isn't it. You know, let's get the old e COLI
what did you make of the donald? By the way,
and the donald they're not Ronald McDonald but donal.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Isn't it the presidential campaign? It's just such a I mean,
from a New Zealand point of view. Someone pointed out
one of the American columnists, I think for the New
York Times, this is the least amount of policy that's
ever been discussed in a presidential election. It's all feels
and pitch and you know, and talking points in culture wars.
Is very little policy actually being discussed. It's a it's
(35:37):
a bit of a side show, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
But that's scary and it is that is scary because
this is the most powerful nation in the world, and
who are going to get as president without knowing what
their policy is going to be? And are we going
to get somebody who's going to ramp up the cultural
wars in a way that you know, I mean, you
know he's already talking about sacking people.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, and prison people.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
People. Don't send us the hate people because none of
us here on the panel like Donald Trump. And you'll
just have to say it up and we'll have to
go with.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
What it's third starts. You've taken the ten third starts.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
We'll be back in just a moment. Note, because we've
got one other big topic to talk about, speaking of
King Charles and Huggs. I don't think you get away
with a three minute hug with the King, but they
might and you won't get away with it to need
an airport. That's next in just a moment. Eleven minutes
to four news talks. He'd be stop where akin is
your truck?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Reach?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Did you? Did you ex fun house?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
There's a way I'm They're sure you're last, say goodbye,
just wish you.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And welcome back to the Weekend Collective. We're almost a
wrap for the hour, but my guests are car MacDonald
and Paul Spoonley and the lucky last topic is as
I said, speaking of hugs, I thought this is actually
quite just a nice little bit of pr in a
way because it doesn't seem to me a serious rule
of the three minute hug limit on at New Zealand Airport,
(37:02):
but basically trying to say, look, if you're going to
spend ages than the departure sort of area giving hugs,
maybe do it all out in the car park. But
I don't know. It's telling people to do what they
have to do in the car park. Doesn't sound particularly healthy,
does it pause No.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
It doesn't. It's a weird one. As I said before
I got back to New Zealand and the two things
with David Seymour and the lunches and the three minute
hugs had to need an airport. It's got huge publicity
overseas so in that sense they've got what they needed.
But did you notice the Canadians couldn't pronounce Dunedin.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
What did they say? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I mean they just completely mispronounced it. So they had
no idea because it's the Gaelic for Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Of course, yes, of course it yes, really.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Edinburgh and then done city of Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Not know that.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Actually, a three minute hug, I mean, what they think
they mean is the three minute farewell. But a three
minute hug is a creepily long period to high you know.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Three minute huggs four play, So I mean, you know
you shouldn't be doing that to depend some.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
People, a three minute hug would be the whole shebang
trying to roll over and go to sleep. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I'm intrigued what Kyle considers play here.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I didn't have that on my list. Coming off after
the break, we're going to be discussing four play. I
should be aware that there are probably parents who are
driving in the car with the kids right now and
mummy and that's a tennis team exactly. Actually, I like
what de Bono said. Daniel de Bono, who is the
chief executive. He said don't worry. Twenty second hug is
(38:35):
enough to release oxytocin and serotonin, the happy hormones that
boost well being. So three minutes is plenty of time
to say goodbye and get your dose of happiness. Just
I think it's just been a fun story, isn't Paul,
It has been a fun story.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
It is.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
It is a particularly New Zealand story, though, isn't it? Like,
why would you tell anybody even if it was a joke.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, that was your that was your limit.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, And of course you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm
flying down to Dunedin, so I'm going to be very
I'm going to be looking, I'm going to be watching,
and I bet there are people who are going to go,
let's go and take five minute hugs.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Actually, you know what I think people will do if
I was and it's the student town as well, let's
face it, I would be going there and I would
be going and doing a two minute, fifty nine second
hug because it is a long and then yeah, yeah,
that's it. Yeah, anyway, listen, good on toned, welcome back
to New Zealand. Yeah, yes, yes, indeed, Hey guys, thanks
(39:32):
so much for coming on the on the panel stuff,
and you're doing anything interesting for the rest of Labor.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Weekend, Carle, I'm going to be going home from here,
putting my feet up and watching the New Zealanders finish
off India for their first ever home test victory in India.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
It isn't haven't times changed and New Zealand twenty years
ago you'd be talking all about the Test match with
the All Backs tonight, Paul. What's the rest of your weekend?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Auckland left c tomorrow. I'll bet the game and gardening.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Actually just quickly, it was about forty seconds to go.
I love the idea of Auckland FC and just how
much energy is behind that, and I think it's I'm
hoping they're going to be a real surprise.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
I was really surprised at how many people turned up
with the merchandise last week and that completely took me
by You were you one of them?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
No, no, I didn't have merchandise. I was there, but
I didn't have did you? Are you going to buy
some merchandise?
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Will excellent? Next time we see on the panel likes
picture in the Auckland FC stuff and I'll stimulate the
rest of the rest of the hour on sport. Anyway, Hey,
thanks so much. That was the panel. Coming up next
it is the One Roof Radio Show, but go and
check it out. If you've missed the panel, great fun.
Go and check out wherever you podcast look for the
Weekend Collective. Car McDonald's Paul Spoonley enjoyed the rest of
(40:41):
your afternoon. We'll be back in just to Tech with
the One Roof Radio Show, and Nicole Lewis joins US
News Talk s d B.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
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