April 26, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Kyle MacDonald and Luke Dallow to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
ANZAC Day boycott, Donald Trump's "Vladimir, STOP!" post, Pope Francis' passing, using AI at work, and more!
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Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yes, and look my guest today, no particular order, A
couple of crusty old blokes. In fact, I was thinking
there might be one of my other guests, Mark Krazle's
going I'm not on today listening to his guy going
hang on a minute, might supposed to be somewhere No it's
not you. Mark, the first one is no stranger to
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as well of the what's it called the Suddenly Avoiding
let's just say the Nutters Club. Carl McDonald, how are you, Kyle?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Very well?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Thank you, nice to see you.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I'm sure where that's crusty business. I think it's just
it's just I'm still on the right side of.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Fifty Yeah, which side is that?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Forty nine and about nine months?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
What krusty means? I think it's just a way of
denoting that you have got some experience in life. You know,
you're not fresh off the block. You've you know, you've
got a bit of crust there as good. I think fair, yeah, fair, yeah, yeah, fair, Okay,
thank you. I'm always I can tell you before the show.
I sometimes I get a little trolled by Carl, and
I always think it's always interesting when you've been controlled
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by a psychotherapist. I'm like, I think someone's got the
advantage here. Anyway. My next guest is Well, he is well.
I've introduced him before as being someone who's involved in
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taking over ponsby Roy Bistro and it's Luke Dalo. Get
a Luke.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
However, you all good?
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So that's exciting news, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Oh, I'm so excited being away for four years from
hospitality and now getting back into it is so refreshing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, because when you got out it was just heinous,
wasn't it, with the lockdowns.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
And absolutely heinous and people's mind space. But I think
we're about seventy five percent through the storm. I've picked
up a nice little bark or orbro bistro going called
it Gg's and have a good time with they have
some fun on Ponsby Road again lovely.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh good on you. They said had an opening yet, No.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
It's coming to Tim. You've got an invite in the
it's in the mail.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Good. I'll keep banging on about it for the rest
of the out. I'm sure I get that. No, but hey,
good good news, mate, And it's good good that you're
getting back into. Is it your happy space?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
It is my happy space. That's what I'd like to
see people. I like to see emotions and people smiling
having a good time when they come through my front door.
They're just having a great time. Now, Kyle, you are
in your fiftieth year, I am, yeah, yes, so not
forty nine.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, that's thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And I've suddenly, I suddenly realized that the notes that
I had for today's panel, I've completely I've completely misplacement
for the time, so I might have to borrow yours
for a second. Theyre Kyle, I don't know what I've
done with mine. They must have accidentally thrown them in
the bin. Anyway, Hey, let's kick off with the show.
The Let's talk about an zach Day yesterday. There's a
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couple of stories around it which are slightly more weighty.
But what did you guys do friend Zac daykon.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I slept in, did you?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah? No, dam prayed for you.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Not this year. In fact, it was a very very
long time since I've been to one. I think partly
I was. In fact, my kids kind of asked me
about that because they've never been to one either. And
I had this sort of strange coincidence when none of
my grandparents or grandfathers or great uncles served. They all
sort of missed it either side, and so there's never
really been a family connection to sort of reel me
into it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
What about you, Luke. I was at the dawn parade,
nice and brighter. Which one was it? Which one was that?
There a few of them, Oh sorry?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
At the museum, the older, the demain, fantastic and you know,
there was a moment of silence there, and for a
moment there I saw unity with the New Zealanders. There
was absolutely unity. There was no divisions, there was no
talking about murders and bus stops and stuff. It was
actually a united sort of experience.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I loved it. I think that's what I mean. Although
it's a commemoration and it commemorates something tragic. That's something
I talked about yesterday when I was hoping hosting the
Breakfast show, was that it is a day when, by
and large, I think most New Zealanders, regardless of our
cultural backgrounds, our racial background, our politics, generally, I think
we are far more on the same page at this
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time of year. And that's one reason I love Anzac Day.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But also I do quite like the Brotherhood of Australia too.
Like I mean, it's pretty easy to take the mickey
out of Australia, but actually we're so alike and it's
really nice to have that historical kind of remembrance with
them too, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
In fact, that was the other thing that cropped up.
I thought, goodness me, we hardly ever think about it,
you know, talk about Australia much. But then there's that
moment of unity and you see the Gallipoli commemorations as well.
First I was surprised it's the first time a prime
minister's been there for ten years. Twenty fifteen was the
last time that either. I was quite surprised by that.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I went to Gallipoli last year, so this one was
quite amazing going in the first time, first time, and
I was blowing a Every New Zealand, every Australian should
go to Gllipoli. Amazing spot. The energy from the soil
and energy of the environment is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Is it also just being there the reflection that you
would have in the emotion of the occasion, but just
take you sort of it helps you sort of not empathize,
but just really reflect on the sacrifices that people have
made for our way of life our country. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I mean I went to Gallipli with the with the mindset,
and then I went there and it was totally different.
What they went through was unbelievable of the challenges and
so forth, and the loss of the loss of life.
What what was your mindset when you were going versus
what it was actually life? I thought it was a
flat beach and they all got and I shot down.
But no, they had to climb a huge hill first,
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and the Turks are up there waning. Then they shot
at them. So they were having a party on the
beach to start, and then they went up the hill
and then they all got shot.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Crazy. Yeah it is. And actually now we just continue
with that theme. Of course, there was a bit of
a shambles at the Melbourne ANZAC ceremony where the Welcome
to Country elder Mark Brown is doing a welcome to
country and heckles and booze from members of the crowd.
I can't think of anything more unnecessary, can you, Kyle?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
No, sadly, I mean I think it's just, you know,
I hesitate to go here. But I think it's sort
of more of that sort of Trumpian type division that's
getting sewed around Sydney. A lot of Western democracy's a
where we're very very sort of extremes, very small, very
vocal groups causing ructions for things that I think, you know,
the overwhelming majority of people I think, I think would
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think that that's absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It is, yeah, And I mean these guys actually literally
the guy Jacob person who is one of the guys
with his small group, but he's a self described near
a Nazi, so we don't even need to call him
a Nazi. But it's totally unnecessary, isn't It Just no
room for.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
It in our in our society, Australian society. But on
that matter, and I might get in trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
For this, but.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Rather than the other buttons there, I'm actually.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
A little bit short minded with the Palestine protesters at
the moment because I mean what they did to the
water founder of the Mission Mission Bay was absolutely disgusting
around our time of Anzac Day too, I vandalyzing that
what do they do with the red water? A red
dyeing and you just there's no need for it. I'm
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sorry I'm getting a bit short on that, but I
just don't want it to my society I.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Think pick your moment, and that's not it. I don't
think that anyway. I don't know what your take on
is it you can't.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Oh look, I think protesting, whatever your causes, is certainly
an art, and it's very, very possible to do yourself
more harm than good. I do think that what you
said at the beginning, though, is that Anzac is a
day for us coming together, not being divided, and I
think that's really one of the really important things about
Anzac Day.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think it's actually not a bad reason. I mean,
there's a whole lot of motivations why people. I think
everyone at some stage should attend several dawn services. And
you can't do it all the time, of course, but
I just think it's such an important occasion to attend.
I did it when I was I was a choir
boy back in the school I was at, and we
we used to go and sing regularly. But I tell
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you what it was. I'm glad I had that experience
when I was eleven years old or something, and you
never forget it.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I was at a pipe band, That's how I got it,
by pro and pepper CRUs into about eight of them.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well do you play the bagpipes.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
And I was a side drummer. Actually that's a little
thing that a lot not a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Know, but yeah, I was a side drummer really at
the house with bag pipes. My dad played the band
with two pipe bands. Oh yeah, I know what a
side drummer is.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. I loved it back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's the side drummer, A little sneer. Oh that's the
way you hold it. That's okay, little sneer drum. It's
a fun fact for everyone. Just completing the I competing
the ANXAC conversation. The call to boycott official ANZAC Day
services there was from a no dof Charitable Trust, which
is a grassroots veterans group. And look, I think if
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that's the way you want to handle it, that's fine.
You're a veterans group. You can respond to ANZAC Day
whatever way you like. But I just think that the
sacrifice of people who've died in the past, as we've
talked about, sacrificed their lives, sacrificed. I don't know if
they were sacrificed. It makes it sounds like they really
wanted to But you know what, I.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Mean, I quite like the nuance of how Aaron would
sort of the was it the no Duff co founder
talked about it though, was that he was just suggesting
that veterans consider not going along to the moments where
politicians are getting their sound bites and their yes, know,
their popularity ratings boosted by being at ANZAC. You know,
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come together with your mates and your fellow soldiers, because
I guess, you know, I think they do have a
genuine grievance around if we send men to war, we
should look after them. Whatever that takes.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
My understanding of veteran as someone who's been deployed by
the government, right, that's a veteran to go to war.
Who are they missing out on the pen pushes back
here or who's missing out? Who are the ones that
are not getting I.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Don't know veteran status. Of course, well we see that
there has been some changes regarding interan status and actually
that was partly Willie Apiatu handed back to VBC, and
that a great way of pihlighting an issue which I've.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Got an expert, But I think part of the problem
is that it depends on what you were deployed for.
And two as well, there's some sort of nuance and
bureaucratics sort of wrangling in the categories, and of course
also the amounts of money that people get are probably
legging behind the cost of living as well. So I
think there's a genuine grievance in there. Tricky to do
it on Enziic day though, way.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yes, wrong timing. Indeed, now speaking of conflicts that we'd
love to stop, even apparently US President Donald Trump, he's
offered is it a rare criticism of Vladimir Putin or
just a frustration that his buddies being a bit naughty
urging the Russian leader to stop after again a deadly
barrash of attacks on Key, Ukraine's capital, a civilian target. Uh, Kyle.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I recently heard a very good assessment of Trump in general,
which was that he not so know that One of
the confusing things about Donald Trump and the people around
him is that they often accurately assess the problem and
then propose entirely the wrong solutions. I mean, of course,
we want Vladimir Putin to stop bombing gear and civilians, right,
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But the idea that him just sending a message on
his own social network to say Vladimi a stop, Trump said, stop,
A better stop. It's just absurd, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, I mean it's sort of senile in a way,
isn't it. What do you think, Luke.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I'm not to know Trump supporter, but I think he's
the only one standing up sounding everyone, Look, let's get peace,
Let's give it a crack.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I tell that to the people.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Agree, I mean, hang on, hang on. I mean, if
your answer is surrender and hand over everything that's then
that is an option. But I think the Ukrainians have
a different point of view saying that.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
All I'm saying is I think he's saying all I
want is peace. You know, there's too many people have
pat died.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I mean, have a.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Slightly different view.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Don't get me wrong. I think the fact is he
just seems incapable of offering direct criticism as supposed to
have led me.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Stop look in all seriousness, I mean, maybe this is
me with my therapist head on, but what I saw
was an incredible amount of hubris and arrogance, the idea
that actually this is the way to go about things.
I mean, you know, you can sort of criticize the
deep state and the bureaucrats as much as you like,
but there are actually mechanisms whereby countries work this out.
And if Trump's idea is that he can just send
a message on a social media platform and make a difference,
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then he's in La la lander, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I wonder what Pluton thinks of Trump doing it? Do
you think actually he goes. I can imagine I'm looking
at his phone or something and going and going and
showing his friends.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Like the best thing that's happened for Russia.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I think so too. I mean, but Putin is a
difficult chapter deal with.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Here's a difficult Chapter's a.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Difficult chapter deal with. But I mean with these two nutters,
I mean, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What do you do? Well? You know what I think
you've got ultimately in America backing off its support of
Ukraine is it weakens Ukraine's position and you can only
negotiate a truce through a position of strength. Either that
or you are capitulating. And you know, while it's yeah, look,
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I don't know what else to say about it, but
I mean that a tweet like that just shows how
ridiculously out of touch he and his cohort of of yes,
men and women which form his cabinet are with the
realities of trying to deal with a serious, serious problem.
I mean, did you see that cabinet meeting. They had
the cameras in for they might as well have photoshopped
him to look like Kim Jong in and comedy, and
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his ministers to look like North Korean generals. The way
where they were pardon my French, they were kissing his
ass in this most pathetic, subservient way that they should
be ashamed of themselves. But that's who's running the States.
And don't text me Trump de arrangement syndrome, because any
people who go trumped arrangement syndrome are the ones who
refuse to see what a total douchebag he is. So
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there you go, So text somewhere else and text youre
mats or something that beverage just saying nasty things about
my friend Trump. Anyway, there was that enough of a runt.
I think that was well. See it was good show
me that. I think. Well, now we'll go and have
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biz with Gg's on Ponsonb. Not yet because I haven't
received my invitation for the opening night, but I'm mentioning
it again anyway, right, let's carry on the well. Of course,
the big news of a few days ago was the
passing of Francis and the funeral is going to be tonight.
He was eighty eight years old. I would say a
Kyle that he I don't think it's a stretch to
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say that. I'm not sure how popular he was within
the Catholic Church, but I would say outside of the
Catholic faith, he would have been the most popular pope
that we've had in a very long time. And I
can't put my finger on why necessarily, but I think
he reached beyond the Catholic faith. In fact, within Catholicism,
I think there's been some criticisms of sending got dogs
to heaven and things like that, but what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, look, I'm I'm not a Catholic and wouldn't even
really consider myself a Christian in terms of my religious beliefs.
Some are, but on the outside of this. I had
an interesting conversation with my now thirteen fourteen year old
as of a couple of weeks ago because she's kind
of like, what's the big deal with the pope? And
where we actually went with that was talking about actually
how significant the Catholic Church has been throughout the history
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of Europe and humanity really and and you know, the
numbers of people on the planet the Catholic and how
much of a significant figure the pope is globally.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
One point six billion. I think, yeah, so well, you.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Know, I mean, obviously there's you know, we have a
Catholic population in New Zealand, but I think globally the
pope's a hugely significant figure. I mean, I think anything
that a pope can do to sort of push the
boundaries away from some of the more I guess problematic
aspects of the Catholic Church is great. You know, modernizing
the church, I mean, and from a I think purely
from a bums on seats point of view, the more
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that's the thing, right as you want to up your numbers,
that's the way. That's the way churches work. So the
more inclusive and the more inviting the church can be
and the long run, it's got to be good for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Luke, what do you reckon? Well?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I was raised as a Catholic and the Pope's always
been the big guy in our family. You know, he's
a top bloke. But this Pope here, I think he
really really reached out to the people of poverty and
poor and he you know, he really just cared. It
was quite a humbling guy, I feel. But I think that,
you know, the pope's absolutely fascinating of when he walks
around and does his bits and pieces. And I watched
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the conclave last week and how they actually picked the
next Pope is absolutely incredible. The in fighting and one
hundred and fifty two cardinals and they all vote and
they've all got the sort of dirt on each cardinal's
But I think we're into the Vatican City sort of
like reality TV coming up?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Are you ripping off? My idea. I did this on
talk About the other night, that they should have reality
TV picking the Pope, you know, and they let the
cameras into the whole thing. Brilliant, more like celebrity Treasure
Island with the conclave of cardinals mortal combat. But actually
I did here a comment I think it was from
the someone within the Anglican Church. But he was talking
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about because people are you know, so the he just
represents Catholics. And then the point was he said, no, no,
he's he's a soft He has a voice, and it's
the soft power of you know, he doesn't wield weapons
or anything, but it wields rhetoric and tolerance, and he's
actually an incredibly important voice when it comes to a
lot of issues just around him.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
The first to speak out against some of the more
problematic aspects of American foreign policy wasn't Ian Trump. He was,
you know, he took a stance on that, it's taking
a stance on Palestine. He's been quite modern in terms
of the things he's chosen to speak out. It's very
rainbow positive too, which did get people offside within the
Catholic Church. Mind you, the Catholic Church hunter Sorry, was
one point six billion. There's a bound to be a
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fair bit of diversity of views, and in fact even
in terms of the religiosity of those that population A
So anyway, you're going to be chuning in and watching
the funeral. No, I think the Hurricanes are playing the
Brumbies tonight.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Oh gosh, over it in the background with the blob
of red wine and some bread.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's a bottle of red wine and some bread. Yes, yes,
of course I forgot about that communion. Of course something
might say that would have been a good name for
a bar.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well they had the chapel. I couldn't do both, right, Okay? Now, yes,
I was going to do the cathedral. I was going
to do the Vatican, but.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
This wasn't right. Okay, Well, anyway, So the funeral set
to take place at eight pm New Zealand time for
those and I'm sure I'm not sure if it's running
on our free to air or something, but it'll be
obviously if anyone's got streaming, it'll be on YouTube and
the whole shebang, won't it Right now? New Zealand First,
there's a New Zealand First Member's Bill which is seeking
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to define the meaning of a man and a woman.
It's been deemed a distraction from other issues. A couple
of MPs from National Labor say, I tend to think that, Look,
we all have different views on gender and things like that,
but I tend to think it does feel in the
New Zealand context. I'm not sure we're having the argument
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here that they're having in England, where there have been
some preposterous cases of people who have raped women who
identified as a woman have been sent to a women's prison.
There's some ludicrous stuff, and I don't think we have
those battles here. I'm gonna start with you, Luke, because
you look like mischief.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Hey, look, I'm pretty clear on this. I think you
either born with an XX or an x Y chromosome.
You're a male and female. Whatever you are, I agree
with New Zealand first and needs to be a clear
basic definition of you know, that's that's what you are.
And otherwise you're just creating more pointless red tape, more issues,
and we just we're getting into a complicated life and
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it just keep it simple.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You're a male or you're female. Here's the thing though, So,
for instance, if we created a rule about you know,
toilets and things like that. New Zealand remember voted for
Georgina Bayer as mayor of was it Carda? And I
can't quite remember who's a transgender person. And I never
would have treated Georgina if I'd met her as anything
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other than a woman, because she to me, that's just
the vibe correct, And so I wouldn't want to see
a law where where she couldn't be suddenly. I mean,
can you imagine at an event saying no, no, you're
off to the men's I just think that this is
why I'm not sure it's necessary, because New Zealander is
generally we are very reasonable folk. Okay, the sporting issue
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is a big deal with Laurel Hubord goes from being
you know, not so great at weightlifting transitioning top in
the world. I think that that stuff's being dealt with.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
They're actually doing so, they're actually working through that. It's
pretty sensible ways into now.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yes, and so I don't know what do you. I've
said my bit because I'm going to hand it over
to you now, can't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Actually, biologically is not as simple as xxx y. There
are a lot of gradations and a lot of genetic
differences and conditions in between, and it's a very small number.
I mean, one of the things is I think this
is I think you're right. I think we can spot
this is, as you know, a cultural war issue that
Winston's import from the US, because when we actually look
in England and England absolutely but it's about zero point
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seven percent of the population and his Land identifies as transgender.
It's an incredibly small minority. And you're right to say that.
I just don't think we have any of the problems
that are and some of them are questionable, some of
them are documented. There's a lot of disinformation and misinformation
that swells around us, you know. I sort of come
back to the fact that actually the unfortunate thing is
(25:31):
for the people who are transgender to be on the
receiving end of this kind of thing. We know that
the mental health statistics for people who identify as transgender
are horrendous.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And when we're talking.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
About around about fifty percent of youth who struggle with
gender identity attempt suicide, which is about five to ten
times the population norm the depression rates are around about
the same. So I think it's really unfortunate that someone
with the platform that Winston has is frankly trovelling for
votes at the expense of a very small minority who
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already struggle.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Do you think he's being a bit cynical here, Luke
not Kyle, Do you think that Winston's being a very
cynical politics of cynicism. It's not an issue that we're
really battling with. It's not really a big issue. But
I think he's just voicing out it's not a big
big in my world. It's not going to change my
vote or anything. But I suppose he just putting it
out there to get a bit of noise out there, right,
(26:25):
I mean, he's about has he handed over the Deputy
Prime minister's reigns? He not quite yet, does he?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
No, No, there's a lot of people that wonder whether
he will. Maybe that's just maybe that's just hopeful.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Sounds like Trump. Well, no, this is the thing just
on the win.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I mean, but seriously, can you imagine how difficult it
would be for the right Honorable Winston Peters to hand
over to David.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I don't think I think he just leaves that. What
is he actually does he actually have to.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Have to give him his office? Or a Swite card
or something. I mean it should be symbolically something he
should have to handle. Well, this is Lackson's private number.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
This is perhaps they switch friends status on Facebook or something.
But here's the thing I think's complicated. It is it is,
But there are two. There's like, there's two Winston's. There's
Winston the Foreign Minister who goes off and does a
great job for us in the Depretty Prime Minister, Winston
the Statesman. I really like Winston the Statesman, Winston the
real retail politician. I really don't like them. And they
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have the same person, and yet I don't know are
they Are they coming to you on the next episode
on I don't know what would it be New Zealand
First Treasure Island, Deputy Prime Minister, Coalition Treasure Island. There
we go, that's the game show. I need to take
it another break in a cap of Tina lie down again.
Goodness me, it's quite taxing this panel of these two.
(27:46):
It's it's all my fault because we picked the topics.
It's twenty two and a half minutes two four News talks.
He'd be Y's welcome to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beveridge.
(28:11):
My guests on the panel today a car McDonald and
Luke Dallo. Now, guys, the government wanted wanted to strip
back early childhood education licensing criteria, which involves well basically
changing the requirements for I understand teaching as well and
allowing people to be involved if they're not without necessarily
a teaching qualification. And apparently there's excessive and confusing regulations
(28:36):
which wouldn't sound any surprise. Wouldn't be a surprise to
any of us, really, would it. But what's your take
on it?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Car? Well, I mean, I actually sort of spent a
bit of time as an early childhood educated technically, I
was a PLAC interparent with my partner and went along
every Friday for about probably close to eight years over
the course of both our kids' childhood, and I can
certainly certainly go along with the idea that there is
possibly some wiggle room with some of the more sort
(29:04):
of silly stuff. One of the things that I find
really distressing is this idea that actually how much it
undermines the professional expertise of teachers and early childhood educators.
I think it's very easy for people to kind of
go well, you know, I've had kids, so therefore teaching
can't be the hell. But it is actually a profession.
And even with early childhood education, you know, you are
actually teaching children. It's not sort of glorified babysitting.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And some of these regulations, I mean, it's always possible
to sort of pull things out of the policy book
and say this is silly, but out of context. You know,
it is important to keep kids safe from things like
hot water, and you know, to make sure that kids
aren't getting into strife if they get I mean, we're
all parents here, right, I mean three year old takes off,
you don't know where they are for five minutes. It
could be really dangerous if things aren't actually safe where
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they are.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well yeah, I mean I guess if a kid has
taken off at an EC and they don't know where
he is, that's a bit of a red flag to me,
full stop. But yeah, I mean the thing is, we look,
I think my kids went to early childhood I'm not
sure exactly how it was defined, but they were taught
as well as sort of lots of playtime and all
sorts of things. But the teachers there were a mixture
(30:09):
the people there were a mixture of people who are
formally qualified and who weren't, and they were all excellent,
and I wouldn't have wanted to see any of them
ruled out because of an absence of a qualification. So
I'm all for some sort of practicality around this, you know,
where you can have a mix because everyone comes with
when you're talking about that age, everyone comes with different
(30:30):
sorts of skills, and some people are just very good
with kids. I don't know, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I like streamlining because I'm in business and I was
at a board of trustees at a school, the early
childhood school, and I just saw so much waste of
money and consultants, you know, like, get a consultant to
do this, do it, Get a consultant to put the
soap to spend to ten centimeters lower than where it was,
and the other people are going to miss out. You know,
they're the guys who right these m seventy page documents
(30:56):
about absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So and put all that.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Money back into actually the core value of actually teaching kids.
And I'm all four of non teachers together there too,
because non teachers can actually add something different from the
structure of teaching. I mean, look, I mean, look at
this radio. You've got to be structured, but we can
you get a lot more out.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Of it, you know, Yeah, I mean as you say,
but it is a profession that people take seriously as well.
But I just think there is a room for more
flexibility with it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Is I mean, I agree with you, there's more room
for flexibility. I mean, I think that one of the
things is it's it's sometimes a little bit hard to
trust minister see more in the Act Party when they
come out with a sort of a slash and burn
regulations full stop are bad. You know, we already as
you've quite rightly pointed out, to have you know, non
qualified working alongside and under the supervision of qualified. I
(31:43):
think there's a lot about the model that does work.
And as you say, there's probably some of the silly stuff,
you know, some of the some of the more extreme
kind of codified health and safety stuff could probably do
with a bit of a tweak. But this idea that
sort of you know, they're just going to throw out
one fifth of the regulations is a bit I.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Reckon what we'd do is we just now I've got
the answer, so they don't need to pay for a
whole lot of experts, sort of public servants to go
through this. I think we just stick Kyle and Luke
in the room. You go through it, and you go
yet keep that one. No, yes, no, Actually, you know,
funny thing is I reckon it would probably you'd come
up with the same conclusions. You go, No, that's dumb. Yes,
(32:19):
that's good, keep it, keep it, not lose it, keep it,
lose it. I reckon you guys do the job. I
don't know. We'll give you a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Common sense prevails.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Appreciate your faith too.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I have a lot of faith. Do I sign up?
I also have been called naive in my time, so
don't read too much.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Well that might make us consultants as that are probably
well that's.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Right, Oh no, no money, okay. Well hey, by the way,
speaking of intelligence, where we where we have AI at work,
there's a recruitment I think there are a recruitment business
that have done some research that shows that ninety one
(33:01):
percent of workers are using generative AI tool to some
degree in their role, including almost apparently half who do
so regularly. It's an interesting one, isn't it. Because it's
a tool if you're using it to do your work,
then that's a problem. But what do you think of
the balance of AI there.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Well, there's not a lot of room for it in
my profession right now, so I'd probably be in the
nine percent. I mean, apart from maybe proofing the odd
letter or you know, maybe helping out with some administrative tasks.
I mean, you know, it's very much a non that
official intelligence therapy. And there's certainly a lot of controversy
in my field about emerging models of sort of AI therapists,
(33:46):
which is frankly a bit concerning because.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
What's then article on the Herald just a few hours
ago about that.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Yeah, there's a lot of writing about it which is
coming through. It's interesting, though, isn't it, Because I mean
it's what you raise is the bit where it kind
of feels like cheating.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well, I'm not allowed to use it for your school assignments,
so where's the line, right?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I mean, I know that GPS, for instance, with patient permission,
obviously using a system whereby the AI essentially listens to
the consultation while you're with your GP, which frees up
their time to actually sit with you and then produces
a set of notes and recommendations for referrals afterwards, which
the GP then checks. I mean, anything we can do
to streamline patient experience, I think is probably a good idea,
(34:26):
but it always raises flags about privacy.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Well, it's also the human involvement in what AIS produced.
So can you imagine a couple of people working for
different firms and they're actually having a discussion with each other,
and they're just getting AI to write a response. If
neither of them are actually particularly engaged in that process,
you've pretty much got AI talking to each other and
then you get very Annold Switzernegga to terminate it sort.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Of ray back.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Whereas on the other side, I had to restructure my
mortgage a while back, and I was going through spreadsheets
and formulas and I've just been to ask stuff for
this and and I just dictated into AI, this is
what I owe, these are the options I could pay
this off. Then blah blah blah, give me some scenarios,
and Jesus it was good. In fact, they even past
one of our property expects to say, yeah, that's pretty
good advice. Luke, what do you reckon is that the
(35:12):
reason you set up g open a new bar and
pons b it told me to. I think AI is
here for staying. If you're not using your absolute mug
and you're going to left, but you're going to be
left behind. For example, four gg's. I mean I created
a menu. I threw it through AI.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I said, give me the recipes, give me the menu costings,
give me the order sheets. That would take me like
two days to do normally. It did it in twenty
five minutes. Amazing, and that is what And I double
checked that, double cheat that triple checked it, and it
was absolutely correct.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Did you love the fact that it took twenty five
minutes because it's like, I'm very smart, but I'm going
to really spend some time on this for you, Luke.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, absolutely. I didn't take it twenty it took three minutes,
but I checked it for a further time. Ah, I prove,
Oh so the slow it was you, But that's progressing.
NAI is here to stay and you've got to use it.
And I simple accounts as well. I checked the allway
through accounts. Bang sweet.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I think the thing is just to make sure that
humans are engaged with what they've created and what they're
receiving as opposed to oh I have received another email,
respond to this and stick it in AI. I mean
that's well, that's you not doing your job as it
that's correct. But the thing what you just said about
your bar and everything, the order sheets and everything.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
That's it's it's great and wage costs and so forth.
But what it cannot do is give your business the
DNA your personality.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
That is the difference a bit of a make a
really rubbish manta.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And I mean, who would have known that Luke Dallo's
middle name was in fact fun fact ggis. We'll be
back in just a moment. It's just just gone eleven
minutes to four News talk'd by's welcome back. I'm Tim
Beverage my panelist today, Carle McDonald and Luke Dallo Lucky
last topic to talk about. The people are getting sort
of a little bit hit up about this because the
(36:57):
gen there's a gen Z Danish Danish princess and there's
some an official portrait that's been released. Well there's a
bunch of photos, but in one of them she's holding
her phone, and everyone's like the world is coming to
an end. You can't do an official photo without holding
your phone. But it does look like it's sort of
like they snapped one while she was checking messages and thought,
(37:18):
let's stick that in there as well. It's the choice
to put that one in there, isn't it, Kyle?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Oh, looka you know, I imagine it's a struggle for
oil royal families to stay relevant, right, That's one of
the things that's really important with those kinds of traditions,
a great way to appeal to people her age. And
it does look really natural. Actually, that's the thing that
I was struck by the phone. It doesn't look like
it's been staged, like you say, It's like a candid
shot while she was, you know, checking a snapchat or something.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, what did you make of it? Looke? I really
like it.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I think it keeps it real, you know, like being
a real teenager around. It breaks all those protocols down
because there are people right either of the day, the
people they're not that blue blood. They all read the
same ear as we do. And it has little touches personally,
and I think she, you know, doing that South is
little touches like Princess Diana had that feel.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Here's where they've gone wrong though, Here's where they've gone wrong. No, No,
here's where they've gone wrong. If they really wanted to
get out there for the gen Za's gen Za Zeta,
I don't know. That's her portrait should have been her
taking a selfie of her self in formal, formal way.
They should have literally, she should have taken her own
portrait and then you'd have me on board, as opposed
(38:25):
to here's a kid one to me checking with my chat,
my WhatsApp, on my snapchat, on my TikTok or whatever.
What do you think? I think I'm right. I always
think I'm right, Kyle. That would have been a really
then we'd really be talking about it. The Danish princess's
portrait is a selfie? How outrageous?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
How many follows you got on Instagram? That's probably a
more real.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
If she was on Tinder or something. What what's Tinder?
Is that a dating app? That seems like mildly inappropriate.
I'm just saying that's what the gen zs do. I
guess so, but that would have been great, wouldn't it.
But if she if her only photo was a selfie,
that would have been.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
The pre industrial age sort of way that princess has
got married off. Was a bit tinder really, I mean
it was sort of political trading your daughters for political alliances.
So fortunately we're coming.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Along with sons. Actually generally much choice. It'spe left and right. Yeah,
you're at the gallows and state.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
You're off to Prussia and you're off to Britain if
you go.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Blimey, oh good old days. Hey guys, so so good
to see you again. Call mc donald and Luke Delay.
Now what have you got coming up on the Nother's Club?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yeah, Tomorrow night Sunday on Newsbooks. He'd be eleven pm.
We've got a great guest actually, Harriet Fairly, who is
a someone who's been through the Grace Foundation, which is
the charity here in Auckland. It helps young men and
women come out of prison and re establish their lives.
So sh'll be with us for two hours telling her story.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
So looking forward to it and that people can tune
in on the Nutther Club, which for those who haven't
necessarily done so I think I'm going to get into it.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
What time, Yeah, news toks. He'd be eleven pm Sunday
night every week.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Excellent, And Luke when that's the big opening. The big
opening is on the thirteenth of May, so not too
far away. But the big invite for you will be
on the tenth of May for the opening party.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Oh well, what day of the week is that. That's
a Saturday.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Oh thank goodness, yes, so looking forward to going three
o'clock the next day to recover.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
We should get you on the panel for that one.
We're both as tragic anyway. Hey, look, if you missed
any of the panel, great fint go and check out
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talking about the does it matter what sort of house
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versus new? And also when you all have it might
(40:43):
have a dig into whether we're better of rending as well?
That and more, And don't forget for the parent Squad,
we've got a new guest, Sandy Pasley. I think someone
from your family has said it's Sandy Paisley. I should
know better, shouldn't I she's a former principle at being
back soon.
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heritage than the latest sort of one in a million
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(02:20):
It is the I'm not going to say retired, the
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the family and community when it comes to teaching kids' values,
because you can't control it as a parent. So yeah,
(02:41):
we go have a chat about that as well as
if we've got time, will touch on the how do
you teach kids to deal with their generation's existential threat?
In other words, when I was growing up, it's a
nuclear war, we're terrified about it dying. These days it's
climate's going to kill us all. And how do you
actually stop that? Getting on top of your kids too much?
And before sex four, this will wrap sport with Nathan Limb.
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Speaker 1 (03:10):
Insightful, entertaining and always old points. Tim Beveridge on the
Weekend Collective News talks ed b.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yes, and look my guest today, no particular order, A
couple of crusty old blokes. In fact, I was thinking
there might be one of my other guests, Mark Krazle's
going I'm not on today listening to his guy going
hang on a minute, might supposed to be somewhere No it's
not you. Mark, the first one is no stranger to
newstalksb audiences. He is a psychotherapist and also radio host
(03:39):
as well of the what's it called the Suddenly Avoiding
let's just say the Nutters Club. Carl McDonald, how are you, Kyle?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Very well?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Thank you, nice to see you.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I'm sure where that's crusty business. I think it's just
it's just I'm still on the right side of.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Fifty Yeah, which side is that?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Forty nine and about nine months?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
What krusty means? I think it's just a way of
denoting that you have got some experience in life. You know,
you're not fresh off the block. You've you know, you've
got a bit of crust there as good. I think fair, yeah, fair, yeah, yeah, fair, Okay,
thank you. I'm always I can tell you before the show.
I sometimes I get a little trolled by Carl, and
I always think it's always interesting when you've been controlled
(04:25):
by a psychotherapist. I'm like, I think someone's got the
advantage here. Anyway. My next guest is Well, he is well.
I've introduced him before as being someone who's involved in
real estate and a former restaurateur. But but drum new
drum roll, news flash. It's not actually a newsflash just
on this show, but he is. He's just announcing he's
(04:47):
taking over ponsby Roy Bistro and it's Luke Dalo. Get
a Luke.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
However, you all good?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So that's exciting news, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Oh, I'm so excited being away for four years from
hospitality and now getting back into it is so refreshing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, because when you got out it was just heinous,
wasn't it, with the lockdowns.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
And absolutely heinous and people's mind space. But I think
we're about seventy five percent through the storm. I've picked
up a nice little bark or orbro bistro going called
it Gg's and have a good time with they have
some fun on Ponsby Road again lovely.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh good on you. They said had an opening yet, No.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
It's coming to Tim. You've got an invite in the
it's in the mail.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Good. I'll keep banging on about it for the rest
of the out. I'm sure I get that. No, but hey,
good good news, mate, And it's good good that you're
getting back into. Is it your happy space?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
It is my happy space. That's what I'd like to
see people. I like to see emotions and people smiling
having a good time when they come through my front door.
They're just having a great time. Now, Kyle, you are
in your fiftieth year, I am, yeah, yes, so not
forty nine.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, that's thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And I've suddenly, I suddenly realized that the notes that
I had for today's panel, I've completely I've completely misplacement
for the time, so I might have to borrow yours
for a second. Theyre Kyle, I don't know what I've
done with mine. They must have accidentally thrown them in
the bin. Anyway, Hey, let's kick off with the show.
The Let's talk about an zach Day yesterday. There's a
(06:12):
couple of stories around it which are slightly more weighty.
But what did you guys do friend Zac daykon.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I slept in, did you?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah? No, dam prayed for you.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Not this year. In fact, it was a very very
long time since I've been to one. I think partly
I was. In fact, my kids kind of asked me
about that because they've never been to one either. And
I had this sort of strange coincidence when none of
my grandparents or grandfathers or great uncles served. They all
sort of missed it either side, and so there's never
really been a family connection to sort of reel me
into it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
What about you, Luke. I was at the dawn parade,
nice and brighter. Which one was it? Which one was that?
There a few of them, Oh sorry?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
At the museum, the older, the demain, fantastic and you know,
there was a moment of silence there, and for a
moment there I saw unity with the New Zealanders. There
was absolutely unity. There was no divisions, there was no
talking about murders and bus stops and stuff. It was
actually a united sort of experience.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I loved it. I think that's what I mean. Although
it's a commemoration and it commemorates something tragic. That's something
I talked about yesterday when I was hoping hosting the
Breakfast show, was that it is a day when, by
and large, I think most New Zealanders, regardless of our
cultural backgrounds, our racial background, our politics, generally, I think
we are far more on the same page at this
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time of year. And that's one reason I love Anzac Day.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But also I do quite like the Brotherhood of Australia too.
Like I mean, it's pretty easy to take the mickey
out of Australia, but actually we're so alike and it's
really nice to have that historical kind of remembrance with
them too, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
In fact, that was the other thing that cropped up.
I thought, goodness me, we hardly ever think about it,
you know, talk about Australia much. But then there's that
moment of unity and you see the Gallipoli commemorations as well.
First I was surprised it's the first time a prime
minister's been there for ten years. Twenty fifteen was the
last time that either. I was quite surprised by that.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I went to Gallipoli last year, so this one was
quite amazing going in the first time, first time, and
I was blowing a Every New Zealand, every Australian should
go to Gllipoli. Amazing spot. The energy from the soil
and energy of the environment is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Is it also just being there the reflection that you
would have in the emotion of the occasion, but just
take you sort of it helps you sort of not empathize,
but just really reflect on the sacrifices that people have
made for our way of life our country. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
I mean I went to Gallipli with the with the mindset,
and then I went there and it was totally different.
What they went through was unbelievable of the challenges and
so forth, and the loss of the loss of life.
What what was your mindset when you were going versus
what it was actually life? I thought it was a
flat beach and they all got and I shot down.
But no, they had to climb a huge hill first,
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and the Turks are up there waning. Then they shot
at them. So they were having a party on the
beach to start, and then they went up the hill
and then they all got shot.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Crazy. Yeah it is. And actually now we just continue
with that theme. Of course, there was a bit of
a shambles at the Melbourne ANZAC ceremony where the Welcome
to Country elder Mark Brown is doing a welcome to
country and heckles and booze from members of the crowd.
I can't think of anything more unnecessary, can you, Kyle?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
No, sadly, I mean I think it's just, you know,
I hesitate to go here. But I think it's sort
of more of that sort of Trumpian type division that's
getting sewed around Sydney. A lot of Western democracy's a
where we're very very sort of extremes, very small, very
vocal groups causing ructions for things that I think, you know,
the overwhelming majority of people I think, I think would
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think that that's absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It is, yeah, And I mean these guys actually literally
the guy Jacob person who is one of the guys
with his small group, but he's a self described near
a Nazi, so we don't even need to call him
a Nazi. But it's totally unnecessary, isn't It Just no
room for.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
It in our in our society, Australian society. But on
that matter, and I might get in trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
For this, but.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Rather than the other buttons there, I'm actually.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
A little bit short minded with the Palestine protesters at
the moment because I mean what they did to the
water founder of the Mission Mission Bay was absolutely disgusting
around our time of Anzac Day too, I vandalyzing that
what do they do with the red water? A red
dyeing and you just there's no need for it. I'm
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sorry I'm getting a bit short on that, but I
just don't want it to my society I.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Think pick your moment, and that's not it. I don't
think that anyway. I don't know what your take on
is it you can't.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Oh look, I think protesting, whatever your causes, is certainly
an art, and it's very, very possible to do yourself
more harm than good. I do think that what you
said at the beginning, though, is that Anzac is a
day for us coming together, not being divided, and I
think that's really one of the really important things about
Anzac Day.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think it's actually not a bad reason. I mean,
there's a whole lot of motivations why people. I think
everyone at some stage should attend several dawn services. And
you can't do it all the time, of course, but
I just think it's such an important occasion to attend.
I did it when I was I was a choir
boy back in the school I was at, and we
we used to go and sing regularly. But I tell
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you what it was. I'm glad I had that experience
when I was eleven years old or something, and you
never forget it.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I was at a pipe band, That's how I got it,
by pro and pepper CRUs into about eight of them.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well do you play the bagpipes.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
And I was a side drummer. Actually that's a little
thing that a lot not a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Know, but yeah, I was a side drummer really at
the house with bag pipes. My dad played the band
with two pipe bands. Oh yeah, I know what a
side drummer is.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. I loved it back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's the side drummer, A little sneer. Oh that's the
way you hold it. That's okay, little sneer drum. It's
a fun fact for everyone. Just completing the I competing
the ANXAC conversation. The call to boycott official ANZAC Day
services there was from a no dof Charitable Trust, which
is a grassroots veterans group. And look, I think if
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that's the way you want to handle it, that's fine.
You're a veterans group. You can respond to ANZAC Day
whatever way you like. But I just think that the
sacrifice of people who've died in the past, as we've
talked about, sacrificed their lives, sacrificed. I don't know if
they were sacrificed. It makes it sounds like they really
wanted to But you know what, I.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Mean, I quite like the nuance of how Aaron would
sort of the was it the no Duff co founder
talked about it though, was that he was just suggesting
that veterans consider not going along to the moments where
politicians are getting their sound bites and their yes, know,
their popularity ratings boosted by being at ANZAC. You know,
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come together with your mates and your fellow soldiers, because
I guess, you know, I think they do have a
genuine grievance around if we send men to war, we
should look after them. Whatever that takes.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
My understanding of veteran as someone who's been deployed by
the government, right, that's a veteran to go to war.
Who are they missing out on the pen pushes back
here or who's missing out? Who are the ones that
are not getting I.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Don't know veteran status. Of course, well we see that
there has been some changes regarding interan status and actually
that was partly Willie Apiatu handed back to VBC, and
that a great way of pihlighting an issue which I've.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Got an expert, But I think part of the problem
is that it depends on what you were deployed for.
And two as well, there's some sort of nuance and
bureaucratics sort of wrangling in the categories, and of course
also the amounts of money that people get are probably
legging behind the cost of living as well. So I
think there's a genuine grievance in there. Tricky to do
it on Enziic day though, way.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yes, wrong timing. Indeed, now speaking of conflicts that we'd
love to stop, even apparently US President Donald Trump, he's
offered is it a rare criticism of Vladimir Putin or
just a frustration that his buddies being a bit naughty
urging the Russian leader to stop after again a deadly
barrash of attacks on Key, Ukraine's capital, a civilian target. Uh, Kyle.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I recently heard a very good assessment of Trump in general,
which was that he not so know that One of
the confusing things about Donald Trump and the people around
him is that they often accurately assess the problem and
then propose entirely the wrong solutions. I mean, of course,
we want Vladimir Putin to stop bombing gear and civilians, right,
(14:36):
But the idea that him just sending a message on
his own social network to say Vladimi a stop, Trump said, stop,
A better stop. It's just absurd, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, I mean it's sort of senile in a way,
isn't it. What do you think, Luke.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I'm not to know Trump supporter, but I think he's
the only one standing up sounding everyone, Look, let's get peace,
Let's give it a crack.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I tell that to the people.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Agree, I mean, hang on, hang on. I mean, if
your answer is surrender and hand over everything that's then
that is an option. But I think the Ukrainians have
a different point of view saying that.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
All I'm saying is I think he's saying all I
want is peace. You know, there's too many people have
pat died.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I mean, have a.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Slightly different view.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Don't get me wrong. I think the fact is he
just seems incapable of offering direct criticism as supposed to
have led me.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Stop look in all seriousness, I mean, maybe this is
me with my therapist head on, but what I saw
was an incredible amount of hubris and arrogance, the idea
that actually this is the way to go about things.
I mean, you know, you can sort of criticize the
deep state and the bureaucrats as much as you like,
but there are actually mechanisms whereby countries work this out.
And if Trump's idea is that he can just send
a message on a social media platform and make a difference,
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then he's in La la lander, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I wonder what Pluton thinks of Trump doing it? Do
you think actually he goes. I can imagine I'm looking
at his phone or something and going and going and
showing his friends.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Like the best thing that's happened for Russia.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
I think so too. I mean, but Putin is a
difficult chapter deal with.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Here's a difficult Chapter's a.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Difficult chapter deal with. But I mean with these two nutters,
I mean, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What do you do? Well? You know what I think
you've got ultimately in America backing off its support of
Ukraine is it weakens Ukraine's position and you can only
negotiate a truce through a position of strength. Either that
or you are capitulating. And you know, while it's yeah, look,
(16:42):
I don't know what else to say about it, but
I mean that a tweet like that just shows how
ridiculously out of touch he and his cohort of of yes,
men and women which form his cabinet are with the
realities of trying to deal with a serious, serious problem.
I mean, did you see that cabinet meeting. They had
the cameras in for they might as well have photoshopped
him to look like Kim Jong in and comedy, and
(17:05):
his ministers to look like North Korean generals. The way
where they were pardon my French, they were kissing his
ass in this most pathetic, subservient way that they should
be ashamed of themselves. But that's who's running the States.
And don't text me Trump de arrangement syndrome, because any
people who go trumped arrangement syndrome are the ones who
refuse to see what a total douchebag he is. So
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there you go, So text somewhere else and text youre
mats or something that beverage just saying nasty things about
my friend Trump. Anyway, there was that enough of a runt.
I think that was well. See it was good show
me that. I think. Well, now we'll go and have
a cup of tea in a lie down and read
read my fan mail. Shall we come back and just
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This is the Weekend Collector of the panel on News Talks.
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biz with Gg's on Ponsonb. Not yet because I haven't
received my invitation for the opening night, but I'm mentioning
it again anyway, right, let's carry on the well. Of course,
the big news of a few days ago was the
passing of Francis and the funeral is going to be tonight.
He was eighty eight years old. I would say a
Kyle that he I don't think it's a stretch to
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say that. I'm not sure how popular he was within
the Catholic Church, but I would say outside of the
Catholic faith, he would have been the most popular pope
that we've had in a very long time. And I
can't put my finger on why necessarily, but I think
he reached beyond the Catholic faith. In fact, within Catholicism,
I think there's been some criticisms of sending got dogs
to heaven and things like that, but what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, look, I'm I'm not a Catholic and wouldn't even
really consider myself a Christian in terms of my religious beliefs.
Some are, but on the outside of this. I had
an interesting conversation with my now thirteen fourteen year old
as of a couple of weeks ago because she's kind
of like, what's the big deal with the pope? And
where we actually went with that was talking about actually
how significant the Catholic Church has been throughout the history
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of Europe and humanity really and and you know, the
numbers of people on the planet the Catholic and how
much of a significant figure the pope is globally.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
One point six billion. I think, yeah, so well, you.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Know, I mean, obviously there's you know, we have a
Catholic population in New Zealand, but I think globally the
pope's a hugely significant figure. I mean, I think anything
that a pope can do to sort of push the
boundaries away from some of the more I guess problematic
aspects of the Catholic Church is great. You know, modernizing
the church, I mean, and from a I think purely
from a bums on seats point of view, the more
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that's the thing, right as you want to up your numbers,
that's the way. That's the way churches work. So the
more inclusive and the more inviting the church can be
and the long run, it's got to be good for everybody.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Luke, what do you reckon? Well?
Speaker 5 (20:07):
I was raised as a Catholic and the Pope's always
been the big guy in our family. You know, he's
a top bloke. But this Pope here, I think he
really really reached out to the people of poverty and
poor and he you know, he really just cared. It
was quite a humbling guy, I feel. But I think that,
you know, the pope's absolutely fascinating of when he walks
around and does his bits and pieces. And I watched
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the conclave last week and how they actually picked the
next Pope is absolutely incredible. The in fighting and one
hundred and fifty two cardinals and they all vote and
they've all got the sort of dirt on each cardinal's
But I think we're into the Vatican City sort of
like reality TV coming up?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Are you ripping off? My idea. I did this on
talk About the other night, that they should have reality
TV picking the Pope, you know, and they let the
cameras into the whole thing. Brilliant, more like celebrity Treasure
Island with the conclave of cardinals mortal combat. But actually
I did here a comment I think it was from
the someone within the Anglican Church. But he was talking
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about because people are you know, so the he just
represents Catholics. And then the point was he said, no, no,
he's he's a soft He has a voice, and it's
the soft power of you know, he doesn't wield weapons
or anything, but it wields rhetoric and tolerance, and he's
actually an incredibly important voice when it comes to a
lot of issues just around him.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
The first to speak out against some of the more
problematic aspects of American foreign policy wasn't Ian Trump. He was,
you know, he took a stance on that, it's taking
a stance on Palestine. He's been quite modern in terms
of the things he's chosen to speak out. It's very
rainbow positive too, which did get people offside within the
Catholic Church. Mind you, the Catholic Church hunter Sorry, was
one point six billion. There's a bound to be a
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fair bit of diversity of views, and in fact even
in terms of the religiosity of those that population A
So anyway, you're going to be chuning in and watching
the funeral. No, I think the Hurricanes are playing the
Brumbies tonight.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Oh gosh, over it in the background with the blob
of red wine and some bread.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
It's a bottle of red wine and some bread. Yes, yes,
of course I forgot about that communion. Of course something
might say that would have been a good name for
a bar.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well they had the chapel. I couldn't do both, right, Okay? Now, yes,
I was going to do the cathedral. I was going
to do the Vatican, but.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
This wasn't right. Okay, Well, anyway, So the funeral set
to take place at eight pm New Zealand time for
those and I'm sure I'm not sure if it's running
on our free to air or something, but it'll be
obviously if anyone's got streaming, it'll be on YouTube and
the whole shebang, won't it Right now? New Zealand First,
there's a New Zealand First Member's Bill which is seeking
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to define the meaning of a man and a woman.
It's been deemed a distraction from other issues. A couple
of MPs from National Labor say, I tend to think that, Look,
we all have different views on gender and things like that,
but I tend to think it does feel in the
New Zealand context. I'm not sure we're having the argument
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here that they're having in England, where there have been
some preposterous cases of people who have raped women who
identified as a woman have been sent to a women's prison.
There's some ludicrous stuff, and I don't think we have
those battles here. I'm gonna start with you, Luke, because
you look like mischief.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Hey, look, I'm pretty clear on this. I think you
either born with an XX or an x Y chromosome.
You're a male and female. Whatever you are, I agree
with New Zealand first and needs to be a clear
basic definition of you know, that's that's what you are.
And otherwise you're just creating more pointless red tape, more issues,
and we just we're getting into a complicated life and
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it just keep it simple.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You're a male or you're female. Here's the thing though, So,
for instance, if we created a rule about you know,
toilets and things like that. New Zealand remember voted for
Georgina Bayer as mayor of was it Carda? And I
can't quite remember who's a transgender person. And I never
would have treated Georgina if I'd met her as anything
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other than a woman, because she to me, that's just
the vibe correct, And so I wouldn't want to see
a law where where she couldn't be suddenly. I mean,
can you imagine at an event saying no, no, you're
off to the men's I just think that this is
why I'm not sure it's necessary, because New Zealander is
generally we are very reasonable folk. Okay, the sporting issue
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is a big deal with Laurel Hubord goes from being
you know, not so great at weightlifting transitioning top in
the world. I think that that stuff's being dealt with.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
They're actually doing so, they're actually working through that. It's
pretty sensible ways into now.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yes, and so I don't know what do you. I've
said my bit because I'm going to hand it over
to you now, can't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Actually, biologically is not as simple as xxx y. There
are a lot of gradations and a lot of genetic
differences and conditions in between, and it's a very small number.
I mean, one of the things is I think this
is I think you're right. I think we can spot
this is, as you know, a cultural war issue that
Winston's import from the US, because when we actually look
in England and England absolutely but it's about zero point
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seven percent of the population and his Land identifies as transgender.
It's an incredibly small minority. And you're right to say that.
I just don't think we have any of the problems
that are and some of them are questionable, some of
them are documented. There's a lot of disinformation and misinformation
that swells around us, you know. I sort of come
back to the fact that actually the unfortunate thing is
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for the people who are transgender to be on the
receiving end of this kind of thing. We know that
the mental health statistics for people who identify as transgender
are horrendous.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And when we're talking.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
About around about fifty percent of youth who struggle with
gender identity attempt suicide, which is about five to ten
times the population norm the depression rates are around about
the same. So I think it's really unfortunate that someone
with the platform that Winston has is frankly trovelling for
votes at the expense of a very small minority who
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already struggle.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Do you think he's being a bit cynical here, Luke
not Kyle, Do you think that Winston's being a very
cynical politics of cynicism. It's not an issue that we're
really battling with. It's not really a big issue. But
I think he's just voicing out it's not a big
big in my world. It's not going to change my
vote or anything. But I suppose he just putting it
out there to get a bit of noise out there, right,
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I mean, he's about has he handed over the Deputy
Prime minister's reigns? He not quite yet, does he?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
No, No, there's a lot of people that wonder whether
he will. Maybe that's just maybe that's just hopeful.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Sounds like Trump. Well, no, this is the thing just
on the win.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I mean, but seriously, can you imagine how difficult it
would be for the right Honorable Winston Peters to hand
over to David.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I don't think I think he just leaves that. What
is he actually does he actually have to.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Have to give him his office? Or a Swite card
or something. I mean it should be symbolically something he
should have to handle. Well, this is Lackson's private number.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
This is perhaps they switch friends status on Facebook or something.
But here's the thing I think's complicated. It is it is,
But there are two. There's like, there's two Winston's. There's
Winston the Foreign Minister who goes off and does a
great job for us in the Depretty Prime Minister, Winston
the Statesman. I really like Winston the Statesman, Winston the
real retail politician. I really don't like them. And they
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have the same person, and yet I don't know are
they Are they coming to you on the next episode
on I don't know what would it be New Zealand
First Treasure Island, Deputy Prime Minister, Coalition Treasure Island. There
we go, that's the game show. I need to take
it another break in a cap of Tina lie down again.
Goodness me, it's quite taxing this panel of these two.
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It's it's all my fault because we picked the topics.
It's twenty two and a half minutes two four News talks.
He'd be Y's welcome to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beveridge.
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My guests on the panel today a car McDonald and
Luke Dallo. Now, guys, the government wanted wanted to strip
back early childhood education licensing criteria, which involves well basically
changing the requirements for I understand teaching as well and
allowing people to be involved if they're not without necessarily
a teaching qualification. And apparently there's excessive and confusing regulations
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which wouldn't sound any surprise. Wouldn't be a surprise to
any of us, really, would it. But what's your take
on it?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Car? Well, I mean, I actually sort of spent a
bit of time as an early childhood educated technically, I
was a PLAC interparent with my partner and went along
every Friday for about probably close to eight years over
the course of both our kids' childhood, and I can
certainly certainly go along with the idea that there is
possibly some wiggle room with some of the more sort
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of silly stuff. One of the things that I find
really distressing is this idea that actually how much it
undermines the professional expertise of teachers and early childhood educators.
I think it's very easy for people to kind of
go well, you know, I've had kids, so therefore teaching
can't be the hell. But it is actually a profession.
And even with early childhood education, you know, you are
actually teaching children. It's not sort of glorified babysitting.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And some of these regulations, I mean, it's always possible
to sort of pull things out of the policy book
and say this is silly, but out of context. You know,
it is important to keep kids safe from things like
hot water, and you know, to make sure that kids
aren't getting into strife if they get I mean, we're
all parents here, right, I mean three year old takes off,
you don't know where they are for five minutes. It
could be really dangerous if things aren't actually safe where
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they are.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Well yeah, I mean I guess if a kid has
taken off at an EC and they don't know where
he is, that's a bit of a red flag to me,
full stop. But yeah, I mean the thing is, we look,
I think my kids went to early childhood I'm not
sure exactly how it was defined, but they were taught
as well as sort of lots of playtime and all
sorts of things. But the teachers there were a mixture
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the people there were a mixture of people who are
formally qualified and who weren't, and they were all excellent,
and I wouldn't have wanted to see any of them
ruled out because of an absence of a qualification. So
I'm all for some sort of practicality around this, you know,
where you can have a mix because everyone comes with
when you're talking about that age, everyone comes with different
(30:30):
sorts of skills, and some people are just very good
with kids. I don't know, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I like streamlining because I'm in business and I was
at a board of trustees at a school, the early
childhood school, and I just saw so much waste of
money and consultants, you know, like, get a consultant to
do this, do it, Get a consultant to put the
soap to spend to ten centimeters lower than where it was,
and the other people are going to miss out. You know,
they're the guys who right these m seventy page documents
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about absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
So and put all that.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Money back into actually the core value of actually teaching kids.
And I'm all four of non teachers together there too,
because non teachers can actually add something different from the
structure of teaching. I mean, look, I mean, look at
this radio. You've got to be structured, but we can
you get a lot more out.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Of it, you know, Yeah, I mean as you say,
but it is a profession that people take seriously as well.
But I just think there is a room for more
flexibility with it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Is I mean, I agree with you, there's more room
for flexibility. I mean, I think that one of the
things is it's it's sometimes a little bit hard to
trust minister see more in the Act Party when they
come out with a sort of a slash and burn
regulations full stop are bad. You know, we already as
you've quite rightly pointed out, to have you know, non
qualified working alongside and under the supervision of qualified. I
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think there's a lot about the model that does work.
And as you say, there's probably some of the silly stuff,
you know, some of the some of the more extreme
kind of codified health and safety stuff could probably do
with a bit of a tweak. But this idea that
sort of you know, they're just going to throw out
one fifth of the regulations is a bit I.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Reckon what we'd do is we just now I've got
the answer, so they don't need to pay for a
whole lot of experts, sort of public servants to go
through this. I think we just stick Kyle and Luke
in the room. You go through it, and you go
yet keep that one. No, yes, no, Actually, you know,
funny thing is I reckon it would probably you'd come
up with the same conclusions. You go, No, that's dumb. Yes,
(32:19):
that's good, keep it, keep it, not lose it, keep it,
lose it. I reckon you guys do the job. I
don't know. We'll give you a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Common sense prevails.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Appreciate your faith too.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I have a lot of faith. Do I sign up?
I also have been called naive in my time, so
don't read too much.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Well that might make us consultants as that are probably
well that's.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Right, Oh no, no money, okay. Well hey, by the way,
speaking of intelligence, where we where we have AI at work,
there's a recruitment I think there are a recruitment business
that have done some research that shows that ninety one
(33:01):
percent of workers are using generative AI tool to some
degree in their role, including almost apparently half who do
so regularly. It's an interesting one, isn't it. Because it's
a tool if you're using it to do your work,
then that's a problem. But what do you think of
the balance of AI there.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Well, there's not a lot of room for it in
my profession right now, so I'd probably be in the
nine percent. I mean, apart from maybe proofing the odd
letter or you know, maybe helping out with some administrative tasks.
I mean, you know, it's very much a non that
official intelligence therapy. And there's certainly a lot of controversy
in my field about emerging models of sort of AI therapists,
(33:46):
which is frankly a bit concerning because.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
What's then article on the Herald just a few hours
ago about that.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Yeah, there's a lot of writing about it which is
coming through. It's interesting, though, isn't it, Because I mean
it's what you raise is the bit where it kind
of feels like cheating.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well, I'm not allowed to use it for your school assignments,
so where's the line, right?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I mean, I know that GPS, for instance, with patient permission,
obviously using a system whereby the AI essentially listens to
the consultation while you're with your GP, which frees up
their time to actually sit with you and then produces
a set of notes and recommendations for referrals afterwards, which
the GP then checks. I mean, anything we can do
to streamline patient experience, I think is probably a good idea,
(34:26):
but it always raises flags about privacy.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Well, it's also the human involvement in what AIS produced.
So can you imagine a couple of people working for
different firms and they're actually having a discussion with each other,
and they're just getting AI to write a response. If
neither of them are actually particularly engaged in that process,
you've pretty much got AI talking to each other and
then you get very Annold Switzernegga to terminate it sort.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Of ray back.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Whereas on the other side, I had to restructure my
mortgage a while back, and I was going through spreadsheets
and formulas and I've just been to ask stuff for
this and and I just dictated into AI, this is
what I owe, these are the options I could pay
this off. Then blah blah blah, give me some scenarios,
and Jesus it was good. In fact, they even past
one of our property expects to say, yeah, that's pretty
good advice. Luke, what do you reckon is that the
(35:12):
reason you set up g open a new bar and
pons b it told me to. I think AI is
here for staying. If you're not using your absolute mug
and you're going to left, but you're going to be
left behind. For example, four gg's. I mean I created
a menu. I threw it through AI.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I said, give me the recipes, give me the menu costings,
give me the order sheets. That would take me like
two days to do normally. It did it in twenty
five minutes. Amazing, and that is what And I double
checked that, double cheat that triple checked it, and it
was absolutely correct.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Did you love the fact that it took twenty five
minutes because it's like, I'm very smart, but I'm going
to really spend some time on this for you, Luke.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, absolutely. I didn't take it twenty it took three minutes,
but I checked it for a further time. Ah, I prove,
Oh so the slow it was you, But that's progressing.
NAI is here to stay and you've got to use it.
And I simple accounts as well. I checked the allway
through accounts. Bang sweet.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
I think the thing is just to make sure that
humans are engaged with what they've created and what they're
receiving as opposed to oh I have received another email,
respond to this and stick it in AI. I mean
that's well, that's you not doing your job as it
that's correct. But the thing what you just said about
your bar and everything, the order sheets and everything.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
That's it's it's great and wage costs and so forth.
But what it cannot do is give your business the
DNA your personality.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
That is the difference a bit of a make a
really rubbish manta.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And I mean, who would have known that Luke Dallo's
middle name was in fact fun fact ggis. We'll be
back in just a moment. It's just just gone eleven
minutes to four News talk'd by's welcome back. I'm Tim
Beverage my panelist today, Carle McDonald and Luke Dallo Lucky
last topic to talk about. The people are getting sort
of a little bit hit up about this because the
(36:57):
gen there's a gen Z Danish Danish princess and there's
some an official portrait that's been released. Well there's a
bunch of photos, but in one of them she's holding
her phone, and everyone's like the world is coming to
an end. You can't do an official photo without holding
your phone. But it does look like it's sort of
like they snapped one while she was checking messages and thought,
(37:18):
let's stick that in there as well. It's the choice
to put that one in there, isn't it, Kyle?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Oh, looka you know, I imagine it's a struggle for
oil royal families to stay relevant, right, That's one of
the things that's really important with those kinds of traditions,
a great way to appeal to people her age. And
it does look really natural. Actually, that's the thing that
I was struck by the phone. It doesn't look like
it's been staged, like you say, It's like a candid
shot while she was, you know, checking a snapchat or something.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, what did you make of it? Looke? I really
like it.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I think it keeps it real, you know, like being
a real teenager around. It breaks all those protocols down
because there are people right either of the day, the
people they're not that blue blood. They all read the
same ear as we do. And it has little touches personally,
and I think she, you know, doing that South is
little touches like Princess Diana had that feel.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Here's where they've gone wrong though, Here's where they've gone wrong. No, No,
here's where they've gone wrong. If they really wanted to
get out there for the gen Za's gen Za Zeta,
I don't know. That's her portrait should have been her
taking a selfie of her self in formal, formal way.
They should have literally, she should have taken her own
portrait and then you'd have me on board, as opposed
(38:25):
to here's a kid one to me checking with my chat,
my WhatsApp, on my snapchat, on my TikTok or whatever.
What do you think? I think I'm right. I always
think I'm right, Kyle. That would have been a really
then we'd really be talking about it. The Danish princess's
portrait is a selfie? How outrageous?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
How many follows you got on Instagram? That's probably a
more real.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
If she was on Tinder or something. What what's Tinder?
Is that a dating app? That seems like mildly inappropriate.
I'm just saying that's what the gen zs do. I
guess so, but that would have been great, wouldn't it.
But if she if her only photo was a selfie,
that would have been.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
The pre industrial age sort of way that princess has
got married off. Was a bit tinder really, I mean
it was sort of political trading your daughters for political alliances.
So fortunately we're coming.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Along with sons. Actually generally much choice. It'spe left and right. Yeah,
you're at the gallows and state.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
You're off to Prussia and you're off to Britain if
you go.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Blimey, oh good old days. Hey guys, so so good
to see you again. Call mc donald and Luke Delay.
Now what have you got coming up on the Nother's Club?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Yeah, Tomorrow night Sunday on Newsbooks. He'd be eleven pm.
We've got a great guest actually, Harriet Fairly, who is
a someone who's been through the Grace Foundation, which is
the charity here in Auckland. It helps young men and
women come out of prison and re establish their lives.
So sh'll be with us for two hours telling her story.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
So looking forward to it and that people can tune
in on the Nutther Club, which for those who haven't
necessarily done so I think I'm going to get into it.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
What time, Yeah, news toks. He'd be eleven pm Sunday
night every week.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Excellent, And Luke when that's the big opening. The big
opening is on the thirteenth of May, so not too
far away. But the big invite for you will be
on the tenth of May for the opening party.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Oh well, what day of the week is that. That's
a Saturday.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Oh thank goodness, yes, so looking forward to going three
o'clock the next day to recover.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
We should get you on the panel for that one.
We're both as tragic anyway. Hey, look, if you missed
any of the panel, great fint go and check out
our podcast, The Weekend Collective. Up next though, well be
with Calvin Davidson. He's the chief economist at core Logic,
talking about the does it matter what sort of house
is on that valuable piece of land on yours heritage
versus new? And also when you all have it might
(40:43):
have a dig into whether we're better of rending as well?
That and more, And don't forget for the parent Squad,
we've got a new guest, Sandy Pasley. I think someone
from your family has said it's Sandy Paisley. I should
know better, shouldn't I she's a former principle at being
back soon.
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