March 28, 2025 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Luke Dallow and Paul Spoonley to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
Leaked U.S. military texts, new study into impaired Prime Ministers, Tamatha Paul's criticism of beat officers, Red Bull drops Liam Lawson, and more!
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Speaker 1 (02:03):
Tim Beverage, the weekend Collective called eight hundred News Talks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Be it's in time out for our panelists. I've decided
to cut out the cute quips where I sort of
talk about who might be the most handsome or the
oldest or the most beautiful. They're both beautiful guys. And
then firstly he is a state agent, a businessman and
restauratetor Luke Dallo Gida. How are you going great?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
How are you made feel good? I've been busy this week.
I've just signed up a new lease on a restaurant. Actually, oh,
back in the game. Back in the game, really with
a couple of partners. You've got a name for it.
We have, but I can't. I can't put them on
the road. And I want to get at enough, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And you know, well we no doubt we will hear
about it because you know, Luke Dallo's opened some new
establishments and new establishment What does this mean for the market?
Is this a sign of optimism? Is consumer confidence back?
You could be the harbinger of some good news. My
friend master, the ferry Master, fantastic anyway, and joining him
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as a sociologist and ameritus professor, he's quite flash. I'm
still waiting for him to have sir in front of
his name. It's Paul Spoonley. Hey, Paul Lake. Yeah, I'm good,
I'm good, good, good. You've just done the heafy track.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I've done the heafy track.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
How long our country is a beautiful country? Four days walking?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Wow? And an arduist four days walking? What did you
do the past version where you send other people along
with you?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Stay?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
No, no, we lumped it all in and out.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
No, the longest day was about twenty four k's about
seven hours walking.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's a lot of That is a lot of walking, though,
isn't it. You'd love it, You'd love it. I'd love I.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Know I would.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Actually, I've got no quish. Actually I forgot it's my
winning anniversary today. I I didn't forget it was my
reading anniversary today. I actually remembered. I just forgot now
and I did have to do the calculation seventeen years now.
But I I'm feeling quite smug because I remembered, and
I thought because I've died it on Google calendar and
(04:01):
I've got him reminder two weeks ahead, remember, And i'd
actually ordered it a leather sort of gift for my wife,
which is sort of case for carrying jewelry and things.
But I got it and embroidered and everything, and I
was feeling very smug about it. But I did love
her card to me, which I think sums up many relationships.
It says to my something basically to my darling husband,
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who I love everything about you, And at the bottom
it says, except those things we've already discussed. Is it
a long list? I just love of course, I don't
think there'd be a husband or someone in a relationship
who wouldn't relate to that, like everything except for just
you know, when you put your washing out, you should
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need to separate the whites and whatever. Anyway, Hey, good
to have you guys on the show. Right, let's get
into it, shall we. Oh boy, I was quite blown
away when I saw the story about those leaked US
defense texts, And because of the hours I work, I
saw the story break on the Atlantic. I've got a notification.
It was three minutes after they posted the story of
those leaked texts about the operation against the Hoothy's, and
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I thought, it's funny when you see it, and it's
just an isolation. So all I saw was the Atlantic store,
and I looked. I thought, I wonder how big this
is going to be. But of course I couldn't check
what other media's reaction to it has been. But Paul,
this has been a mammoth story of cockups and incompetence
and shoot the messenger by the White House.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But I look at it, Yeah, you know, it's a
fiesco and I think what's the ongoing fiasco is how
they're dealing with it. No ownership, no acknowledgment, and the
blatant lies. I mean saying that there is no war plan.
You look at the you look at the email emails,
and you think, what are you talking about? That's a
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war plan right there. But but how did the how
did Goldberg get on the list.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Experience?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You've gone straight to the really interesting issue on this. No,
I think I think this is fascinating because he was
there as what was his first name, suddenly having a
Jeffrey Goldberg, yeah, Jiffrey God yeah, James yeah, jeff with
the j JG. And so he was in there just
with initials. Is he on Mike Waltz's phone list? Because
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that is someone whom Mike Waltz maybe has leaked to
And I've heard that put forward in a was Why
would a journalist who apparently the White House administration hate
have his contact details just as a set of initials.
I thought that was quite intriguing. What what do you reckon?
I mean, I love that fairy because it's so sort
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of you know, cloak and dagger, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I mean, what are they hiding? But you got to
think it's absolute hees, I mean, completely denying it. It
is as crazy for a start, and this shows how
chaotic the States is at the moment. I mean, it's
so unreliable. But I love Trumpy what he came out
with saying, what do you say they couldn't run a
lemonade stand all alone? A war? Who said that about Trump?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Said that about who.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That Trump said that about Goldberg? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Really, I would have thought that would go the other way,
because Trump also called it what did he say? He
called it a witch hunt, talked about the public ash.
I mean, look, they've gone on attack as the best
form of defense. And look, Mike Waltz at least owned
up it's my fault. But the fact is they're still
using a hackable app apparently, and the number of people
who are on that mailing list was it fifteen or
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eighteen or something? And how vulnerable they made it? And
good old oh what's his name? The heckseeth the Secutary
of Defense going on full attack on Jeff Goldberg. It's like,
the thing is, how will it resonate throughout the States?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Do you think, Paul I have no idea America American
politics at the moment. It's a bit of a puzzle
to me. I just don't understand what's happening and how
people are seeing very different realities there and can I
I mean, the other thing is around signal. Were they
using signal to avoid any sort of oversight? I mean,
why were they using signal.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
For a start?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Signals are closed sort of app is, but like WhatsApp,
it's very secure.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well it's not locked behind, it's not in the classified
room where they're dealing with serious I don't know this
was serious.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Stuff, but you know, and my understanding is that Russian
and the Chinese have been hacking into it. Have they not?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I don't know who knows. Look, I mean in the
end of the operation went went according to plan. But though, oh,
I mean, what about that lady. I'm not a fan
old Josephine Goebels. Yeah, sorry, but I mean, I mean,
she's Trump's mouthpiece and she's going to say exactly what
he wants her to say and everything. But what I thought.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
The other one was Marjorie Green, where a UK reporter
tried to interview her and spoy did she go after that?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, Oh, she's bonkers.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
We don't take crap from people. We don't care about
your country.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You ought to go.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, it was sort of a full attack mode.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
She is.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, I think she's probably diagnosable nuts. I don't
know if you I don't know if that is a
psychiatric diagnosis. But this person is, how do I put it?
She's nuts? I mean, what did you make of Carolyn
Leavitt's handling of it as well? And going on the
attack against the magazine and the journalist wasn't his fault?
He's put on the blooming list?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Was it no?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No, and denying it was classified. And then they say
we'll show us the text and he goes, okay, if
you're saying it's not classified. He is all the texts
and everyone goes those look like war plans.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yes, and Hekith got off that plane and bang did
he go after Goldboo? Man?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Was that that was? That was vicious?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Here's the thing, though, I don't know, Well, I guess
they were always going to get a cane or it
was going to be a big political story, of course,
But I do wonder if they did make a mistake
and just saying, look, we've made a big mistake here.
This was inadvertent and explain it and say we have
changed our procedures. There's no way that will ever happen again.
And I think I don't think the story would have
had the life that it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, it still would have had a lot of you
came front foot, but it's going to be like really yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And you notice non Fox media in the States have
been playing the attacks on Clinton and insecure.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
On stuff on private email sit yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
All things come back to here's.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
The thing, because you know, I watched the news network,
and I sort of generally watch the news networks, and
I get a bit bored with we can make out
my own.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Minds up on the story.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I sometimes think that the most effective commentary is the
commentary from the late night shows, because they inject a
bit of humor, and they can use a level of
hyperbole and color that highlights the absurdity of it all,
whereas the journalists have to sort of have a bit
more circumspect. And I think some of the comments from
I know where it's the Daily Show and the late
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night showing things like those are the ones where almost
I wonder how many people get their current affairs from
the satire follows. Do you watch those shows? Local colorful,
I'd say, but you get a lot more out of it.
You actually pick up.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
The personality of the article. But you know, six o'clock
news a bit gray, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
What it is? Are you talking about New Zealand generally.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
To be careful about those comments, given your relatives anyway,
Well maybe we should take that opportunity to move things. Hey,
now on to look aging gracefully or no, I mean
I don't think it's gracefully at all, actually, but aging
with vim and vigor. Winston Peters turning eighty and I
(11:36):
heard Mike Hosking make a really interesting comment about you
know that he was sort of philosophizing a little bit
about people getting older, and actually thought he nailed it.
He said, you look at he said, you look at
Winston eighty years old. Name me someone in the house
who can go toe to toe with Winston and come
out the winner. And you look at he's eighty. And
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then he took me talked about how different cultures say
age is just a number, whereas we seem to be
fixated on sixty five and you know, you put out
to pasture. And then Mike's comment was which I thought
was spot on him and it's taken note of it.
He's got a purpose. And that guy he's pumping, isn't
he Paul he is?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I mean I was at university with Winston in the
nineteen seventies, and man, that guy can reinvent himself and
keep Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What was he like in the seventies, Well, am I
lad to say this? Well, just be diplomatic.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
He he was known as, if I remember correctly, Giovanni
because he adopted that sort of Italian look.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's maintained.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
He's maintained that, you know. I mean, he dresses well,
he looks well. He I think he's I think he's brilliant.
He's a good advertisement for somebody who's eighty and still
got it all. And I must say all I hear
about him in terms of his Minister of Foreign Affairs,
he's doing a damn good job.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Because it's almost like there are two Winston, isn't there Luke,
And so there's the campaign in Winston who I didn't
really like to be honest during the election, but is
a deputy Prime Minister Foreign Minister. I think he's fantastic, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean he's my neighbor. Winston's my neighbor. I love
this guy. I love him. I love him as far
as prime minister. I would definitely have him on my team.
You know, he's a good man, I mean. And also
I've met him many of times by bards and restaurants
out there with the figs Dunehall Blues, puffing away just.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Because he did, because they asked him how he kept going,
and he did this big spiel about his diet.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
It doesn't smoking, he doesn't have desserts so often hydrates.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
But I've seen him at the Green Parrot down in Wellington.
I've had a t bone steak with him. It's just
going to show one thing, right, I'm going to say
this ready just to go. This shows that Martin Polynesians
can absolutely live a lot of healthy life. You know,
if you eat well, look after your body, you can
get to your eighties.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Has he has he eaten well and looked after poster
boy for this stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And my mother loved him, you know, yeah, the woman
loves Winston mart with that big long hair as always goody,
good looking, keep going Winston.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So I just think we should put that in the
news that Winston was formerly known as Giovanni.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I hope I'm writing on that one but that's that's
my memory.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's my memory, and I'm sticking with it. I interviewed
him last week for Politics, and actually the interesting confession
that I got, I was surprised because it was a
slightly cheeky question. You know how He's doing the State
of the Nation address and he had those protesters from
all sides. He had the pro Greyhounds, Andy Greyhounds, Palestine
and all that sort of thing, and I just said
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to him, look, is there a part of you can
I just ask, is there a part of who actually
really loves it when people stand up and protest and
do that, because you just love giving it back and
it energizes you and launches you. And he just laughed
and said, yeah, I do. Quite I'm paraphrasing, but he
pretty much said, yeah, I do. And I'm sort of
thinking that should be a headline just about Winston loves
the protesters.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But I listened to that term and there was that
little laugh that he does that.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Okay, he loves it, he loves it getting attention. He's
talking about he gets attention.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Right, that's a great thing actually, But I mean, just
looking at the broader thing there, I think there are
some lessons on the whole living your life well, and
you look at just having a purpose. And here's a
guy who is eighty and obviously health challenges can hit
you and knock you out of the game and really
debilitate you. But I think he is a perfect example
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of someone who's loving what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Why would he stop? Yeah, it's a perfect example. You
can't kill an old wheat, I hope.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I think the smoking thing again.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Hey, by the way, you're coming in hot. Actually, I've
got to say, out of all the politicians in Parliament,
let's just I mean, I don't mean this is a
leading question. You don't have to answer this in the
way I think you might. But he would be in
terms of sitting down for over a state and maybe
at glass of whiskey in the conversation, he would be
top of my list, and probably sitting next to him
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might have Shane Jones, And then I'd have to think
about who number three would be. What about you guys?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well Winston. Winston is not a great fan of mine,
and when I've been on and he doesn't like what
I'm saying, he gets very formal. Professor Spoonley doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Know what he's talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
So I you know, I sort of admire the man,
but I wouldn't probably be sitting down.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I'd have him.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I'll have both of those two, yeah, at your new restaurant.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yes, absolutely, But I don't know about the third though,
or the fourth or the fifth. Yeah, they'd be pretty boring,
wouldn't they? Those two would be great.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Think about that. People can text us if you like,
because I think it'd be interesting which which politicians and
I'll feed that back afterwards. But hey, we'll take a
quick moment. We'll come back in just a moment. You're
with our panelists. I'm Tim bever just as Luke Dello
and Luke Dello is my first panelist, and Paul Spoonley
will be back in just a moment News Talks. He'd
be it's coming up to welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
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This is our panel. Get my panelists, Luke Dallo and
Paul Spernley. I'm Tim Beveridge, and right, guys, let's get
into this new study on it impaired prime ministers. So
there's options to remove prime ministers when their decision making
abilities are impaired must be developed. There's authors of this
new study claim that, and they look at the they
look at the heavy drinking of Sir Robert Muldoon, among others.
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I mean, he did call an election when he was
probably a little bit sozzle. But there of the four
New Zealand prime ministers study, two died in office. That
was Michael Joseph Savage and Norman Kirk. And of course
we've got the overseas example of someone who went on
too long, and that was Joe Biden. But we just
talked about an example of someone who's doing really well
at the age of eighty. It was Winston. I tend
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to think that these things need to be looked after
by a democracy, Paul, because you have a cabinet. You know,
you've got a prime minister. He's not rock and rolling.
If they're really losing the plot, isn't the coud A
targeting to happen naturally?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't think it is, because well no, no. I
think what the study shows is that the degree of
secrecy and the way in which a party wraps itself
around a seriously ill prime minister in this case, and
we don't we the public don't know about how ill
they are. I mean I can remember Norman Kirk and
he didn't look well, but you know, he should have
been removed from office. I'm not sure that the US
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system is the best one, but they do have an
independent authority which looks at the capability of their president.
But you've got to ask, well, why didn't they kick
in when Joe Biden. There is a book coming out
on Joe Biden's health in a couple of months, and
apparently it's a very interesting story about how incapacitated he
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was and how they manage that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, well, I think we saw examples of it when
you sort of blanked out a couple of times. And
what do you reckon, Luke.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I think it's a fair idea. I mean, personally, I
think it's making sure the pems fit for the job,
unless it's assessed by the opposition doctor doctor Cohen exactly.
Medical check. And I mean, but seriously, you might not
like this, but if I did a medical check on
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the Green Party today, there'd be problems.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Actually, here's the thing though, The reason I think it
has to be left up to more democratic processes, regardless
of their fallibility, is if you did have you know,
a couple, you know, team of doctors who decided that
a prime minister wasn't fit for it, and people didn't
agree with that assessment. I don't know. I just feel
we're living in the age of sort of conspiracies and
all that sort of stuff, and I just I wonder now.
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The reason I say this is because these days, regardless
of I think, with social media and the immediacy of communications,
we're living in an age where political leaders are far
more under scrutiny. Every moment is caught on someone's camera,
Whereas in the old days it was, you know, unless
you're with the TVNZ sort of camera, somebody's behavior would
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only be talked about, whereas these days, somebody starting to
go off the rail, there's a smartphone capturing every moment.
Do you think we'd never get to that stage where
you'd need doctors, Paul, No, perhaps not.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And I agree about the goldfish bowl that politicians live
in because I think, you know, you just can't avoid
that sort of scrutiny. But I do think Tim, you
and your colleagues around the media generally play a really
important role. So if I think back, I think there
was too much deference given to politicians. So even the
parliamentary cruise would have said, Okay, Norman Kirk, not so well,
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but we're not going to broadcast it. We've been asked
not to, we've been told not to.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
We won't do that.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You can imagine that, and I don't think that would
occur now.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
No, no, what do you reckon, Luke? Trust democracy or
get the doctors to rule them out?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Trust democracy and trust iPhones, trust smartphones.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I mean, it's it is interesting. Back in those days
you'd say it's a shame they didn't have that system.
May yep, absolutely, Yeah, Well let's segue onto let's go
to you on this one, Luke. So Tamatha Paul has
a lot has been made of someone who's not really
at the top of the tree. But she's talked, you know,
talked about having a meeting with Peace Actional Tatahi about
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abolition of the police, and then talking about how people
don't feel comfortable in the presence of the police. I
think the vox pops that the TV did of people
on the street were generally like, actually, I quite like
seeing the police around. Is Tamotha Paul going to be
ruled out by a panel of psychiatrists if she became
Prime minister.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
How that on earth do these people get into Parliament?
Max called MMP it's crazy. I'm sorry. I mean the
police should be our looking after our community. I mean,
when I see a policeman, I go up there and
shake his hand and say, hey, you going police person.
Sorry all the off.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
We'll send you to the naughty room.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And just the moment, Luke, but it's it's crazy that
these words come out of Parliament.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I would expect to see it on the on
the grounds of a university campus with student politics. But
but yeah, I do think that some of the utterances
that come out of the Greens from a little bit
bonkers on this stuff. And Paul, I know, look, it's
pretty tricky for you because you do you have done
work with the police commissioner and things on these things.
But I mean the comments. I mean, obviously there are
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some people that are uncomfortable about the police, but we
have a very diverse police force now in terms of
its racial makeup, and it matches broadly speaking New Zealand's population.
It does. I like the fact that we see police
on the street. I'm sure retailers like seeing them send
them wander around the malls. What are you What do
you make of her comments?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Well, I.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Can play as safe as you like for you, Okay,
you don't have to thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I mean, we've just finished a big piece of work
for the police commissioner and what we're seeing and is
this a police community relations I think that she overstates
the case around the visibility and the acceptance of people
on the beat. So I'm one of the generation that's
like Luke or one of the people that's like Luke.
(23:28):
Says great, and I will shake their hand and I
will say hello to them. I think the point that
she was making underneath all of that was that some
communities are not quite so happy with that. And that's
exactly what we've found. So we looked at what policing works,
what's really good about some police actions and policies in
this country, and what doesn't work. So there are bits
that can be improved. And so there are some communities
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that feel rather differently around having police on their streets
and they want to see I mean, you know, youth
aide officers, Maori Warden's there are a number of things
that they're looking for rather than just simply being police there.
But of course and that all got lost in this
and I you know, I think that's a failure.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, And there would be members I think of the
Asian community who instinctively don't have recent immigrants, who come
from places which are a little bit more totalitarian with
the police, who would naturally say, yeah, I'm not I'm
a bit nervous of it because where I've come from.
If you've moved over from Hong Kong, does the site
of a police officer thrill you? Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I've been doing a television show on one of the
low Collasian stations with a police officer, and it's been
really interesting to hear what the feedback and questions are
if I catch if I catch somebody burglarizing my shop
or my home, why can't I beat them up? If
the police turn up, why do they ask me about
things like my insurance policies. You know, there's a real
(24:51):
there's quite a disconnect, and we do need to get
that right.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's interesting. I did see that. I mean, we haven't
slaated this for conversation, but I think that the government
are looking at the powers of citizens arrest and what
you can actually do. Yes, And I think I mean
It's a tough one to get right because you don't
want people using it as an excuse to beat the
living daylights out of someone who's taken a couple of
candies from the counter. But if somebody is breaking into
your valued business and is destroying your livelihood, I would
(25:16):
think you should be able to pull out the baseball
bat and clock them one.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And if this gentleman on my right, I mean, if
if somebody walks into his restaurant and then walks out
without pain, I'll.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Their ankles and bring them back in. Absolutely, I'll take
I'll take the consequences.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Looks, speaking of issues around justice, tell you what We'll
take the break because we're going to talk about Liam
Lawson and just a man. This is News Talks it be.
It is twenty four minutes to four.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Love Kick starts again, Love.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
To see you get bored, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Paul Spindley and
Luke Dello on my panelists. Guys, Liam Lawson dropped from
Red Bull up to just two races. People were saying, well,
surely it couldn't be that soon that you've got to
gi him at least half a dozen. But he's he's
been bumped down to Red Bull Racing and I think it.
(26:31):
I think it sucks, but I'm excited about next weekend,
Luke so Am.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I look, if one is a there's a lot of
money in the if one, it's a high pressure sport.
If you don't, you know, you don't perform, you get dumped.
Now for him to become a great driver, he needs
to be dumped. He needs to feel really bad then
and now he's going to jump on this pan good
(26:57):
You've got to get dropped down. The All Blacks have
become a good, great All Black right, but he'll jump
in that count against Japan. He knows the track really well.
And you know, I reckon ongoing top five finish.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know what, that would just be Christmas if he
was top five and Sonoda, which is a high chance,
sticks it into a wall and is out. I don't
mean in a life threatening way. I just mean, you know,
in a race ending way. And there are a few
people I think you'd get good adds on that at
the TB do you follow?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
No, I didn't, but I saw that Docco that was
around there for that changed my view. But don't you
blame the team Red Bull.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Don't you think I hadn't re sent its blameing, it's
mismanagement and so forth. But that's them, that's the arrogance
of Red Bull. They can't be number one, right, They've
got the money, they can do it, and there's a
lot of money involved or just podiums.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It just feels like they're scapegoating a young driver because
he didn't suddenly become a bad racer. He's he's an
impressive racing car driver, right, And you know, maybe I
think there've been some personnel changes in Red Bull. You've
got the best driver in the world and indisputably who's
struggling with the car. And they've given Liam what they
could have stuck him in an old Red Bull car
(28:09):
for a couple you know, that was more than two
years old. He could drive it as much as he
liked to get used to it. But I think it's
all on them, and very little of this is on Liam.
I think Paul and he.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Knows the Japanese circuit, he didn't know the two that
he raced on. He should have been given a third chance.
And you just wonder if there is this is my
conspiracy theory, But you just wonder if, right, we're racing
in Japan, we better have a Japanese driver in there.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, wander of Apparently Honda put a lot of money
into Sonoda, and I think goes that way to have
sacred are also present as well, and I think there
might I've seen a suggestion that there might have been
an incentive to get him in that car. But actually,
here's the thing. Because I've drive to survive and because
of the fantastic coverage we have of the F one,
now I would say that I'm not I haven't anticipated
(28:56):
a sporting event with as much excitement as I'm looking
for to next weekend because it's got everything that Kiwi's
we love. We've got our guy in there. Well, he's
an underdog, he's up against it, he's had an injustice
pulled against him by most New Zealander's reckoning, and I
can't I'm way more excited than about this than I
would be about watching the All Black against him.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
What Yeah, the bark of America's Cup. Yep, it's like that, Yeah,
slap in the face, get down. Four years we take
it for the next three three America's Cups. That's the
Kiwi Way.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, I think he's got our sympathy, but I do
hope that he's getting good mentoring, good support, and that
he's given a chance.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I suspect he probably is because it looks like they
I would say that guys like gave the impression that
he likes, you know, but they've made a ruthless decision.
Would And look, he's racing for red Bull red Bull
for whatever. I can't remember the name of the Visa
v car Visa credits and red Bull Racing or something.
I don't know. Yeah, anyway, Visa cash App, red Bull.
(30:00):
I think racing ball, Visa cash App racing Ball. That's it.
That's my just getting in my ear. That's why I'm
stuttering all over it. So go Liam. I can't wait
for next. I can't wait for next. It'll be Saturday,
I guess, is it or a Sunday. But anyways, it's
a week away right onto other sporting things. So whether
it actually means anything, because they've still got to find
a lot of money, there's the There was the rivalry
(30:22):
between the bid to build a brand new stadium down
on the waterfront at a cost of quite a lot
and Eden Park being maybe needing another one hundred and
ten million or something, and the councilors have back and
backed the local institution for the for the fit for
purpose main stadium. And I want to know what you guys,
(30:43):
which way would you have voted, Paul? And what emotionally
If you could click your fingers and have one or
the other and you could just pay for it, which
one do you go for?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Big site, big site.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I just think this is status quo, lack of vision
of our council. You know, I know, I know we
didn't like it when Trevor Mallard suggested a waterfront stadium.
But I look around stadiums around the world and I think, God,
there's so much more exciting than Eden Park. Eden Park
still has its place, but why don't we do something
(31:15):
really exciting. I'm looking for atmosphere and I think we
need something that holds, say fifteen to twenty five thousand people.
If you look at those those rugby a lot of
those rugby games, how often does Eden Park get filled
up or even half of Eden Park get filled up?
I think there's a I would have opted for a
(31:36):
new stadium, and I would put it so that they
can go up the Ponsonby Road, go to to Luke's
new restaurant and then wander down Bengo.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
There you go anyway, So thank you, Paul. Think if
you've spilt that out clearly and concisely, and what do
you reckon? Luke?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
My heart of hearts is a waterfront stadium. My financial
head says Eden Park, because it's already there. Financially, spend
the money on it, get it right, sell number two
or for or a few million dollars. I can do
that as a real estate agent.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Pitching for business Luke, dlo dot com or something.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Pitching today.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yes, but we definitely put a roof on Eating Park.
It's I mean, just put a roof and Eating Park.
Just get to spend the money on it now. But
I would love to see a little twelve thousand said stadium.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
But look, where's the money coming from the two hundred
mil that they need for stage one? They're going to
kick it down the road to government? Is government going
to fund that? I mean, I just can't see it.
It's got to be private money.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Well, I just look at the Also, I look at
Danneeda when they book need it. Yeah, half and a
puff and a half and a puff down there loves it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yep, yeah, you know what I'm look, I'm as I've said,
what would I what would I prefer? And hands down,
I would prefer down on this brand new stadium down
in the waterfront. I've I've trolled through the plans of this,
the new one. I think it would be amazing. I
think this is the most uninspired decision. And I'm bored
with Eden Park. I know, sorry, sorry, people have played
their wonderful games there and we've all got great memories
(33:08):
of amazing records of the All Blacks and all that
sort of stuff. But I just find it's so uninspired
as a venue. It's not something that people get excited about. Look,
you know we're going to do the helicopter fly over
of the match before. It's like, oh, there it is.
It's a patch of grass with some seats around it.
I just thought it's just a shame. I'd love to
see one of our you know, maybe Graham Heart name
(33:29):
it Graham Heart Stadium and we'll let him have a
he can obviously if he owns the stadium to do
it once. We need someone who's got deep pockets to
come in and go well, I'm not putting any money
into e part, but I'll tell you what, if you can,
I'll work with these guys and we'll make it happen.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Well, Foley can do that, right, Yeah, I was going
to say, I think there are some big players in
town and it's going to be interesting to see what
Bill Foley does.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
What's he worth? Billions?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Billions?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Billions and billions?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, well, let's let's keep our fingers. Oh look, you know,
and I know it sound harsh on endpac, but it's
just you can just imagine every city if we want
to be a city and get the momentum and the
bars and everything. Okay, fine, continue, I can you Statium
would be great.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Sorry to but it's like an old house that's been
cobbled together over the years and we're doing another cobble.
And I agree about the ruth, but you know, can't
we do something a bit more exciting, a bit more accessible,
bit more weather actions taking place?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Could we fake an earthquake in it?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh jesus. Okay, we'll be back with Luke if he's
not counseled between now and four o'clock. Actually, we will
take a quick moment and we're going to come back
and talk Italy's proposal to give babies by default mum's
last name rather than dad's, which is an interesting concept,
(34:48):
and three blokes are going to be discussing that now
so you get a balanced view of it. News Talks
here B twelve minutes to four. Yes, welcome back to
the show. Lukedala and Paul Spoonley are my guests on
the panel. Now, this is an interesting one. I don't
know how it ties into a New New Zealand context,
but Italy is considering automatic giving babies their mum's surname
instead of dad's, and of course it sparks plenty of
(35:11):
discussion around things, and I guess the convention generally well
until double banger names came in and everything is that
dad's name went on the birth certificate and I always
thought that was okay because I'm doing to generalize here,
but the birth mother has a very close bond with
the baby and it's a nice way of, you know,
giving dad an extra connection by name sort of thing.
But I mean, these days you just people choose what surname,
(35:35):
don't they What do you reckon port? No?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
They do?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
And I mean if you look at the surnames in
New Zealand. What you see is the growing use of
double barrel surnames. So I think the mother's names appearing
more and more in there. And can I just say
this is a very Anglo Saxon thing. If my younger
son was in Costa Rica, they automatically use the first
surname of their father and the first surname of their mother,
(35:59):
and they put them together, and so as each generation
comes along they use that first.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You just combined double banger names. You have such and
such Psmith, Barrett Hocking.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
No, no, no, no, you only have two names. So
each name, each child in Costa Rica gets two first
names you don't call them middle names, and two surnames
Mum and Dad's automatic. Not a big thing.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, I'm not in favor of it. Just the lineage,
you know, keep it nice and simple for the lineage
of the Roman days.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Just keep the patriarchy, you know, it's just.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Just keep it simple. Why change things now, you know?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Actually it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I would have thought you would have been a choice man.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It's your choice.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I am a choice man. I am a choice man. Absolutely,
your choice I've got. But this is my opinion.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Actually, and when we had our children, I said to
my wife, I mean, I don't mind. What do you
want to do surnames? She just said, no, beverage is fine. Tip.
Oh that's a nice Now I've identified my wife, you
can stalk her on. So yeah, I mean it's an
(37:07):
interesting one. And to be honest, if you've got if
you had a very long Dutch or German name and
you double bang it with another Dutch, long Dutch or
German name, you could be you could take you half
an hour at us introduce someone, couldn't it?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Keep it simple, spelling it just keep it simple.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Although, as I say, three men making the call on
that money and texture texture hate on news talk. Finally,
just have you guys noticed a lot of wasps?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
It's awful. It's awful absolutely. I mean even I was
driving up the road after Russell had my arm out,
I got stung. I wash three times whilst I was
doing one hundred and five.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
And the reason that's funny, the reason that's funny is
that once keep the arm out there twice, still keeping
the arm out there three times, she's stung.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
To hell to help they've got stung. But wasp have
a place in nature. They keep the aphids down.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
The well.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I've seen that there is. That's the one species that
scientists are considering whether it's worth trying to find a
way of eradicating every wasp of existence because they don't
see that just a predator that just messes with bees
and all sorts of things.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Satan Satan, Satan rude?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Is it rude tomorrow morning?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, ask him?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Actually you should you get Luke on the line. He's
got a question for rude wasps love them? Wait on,
you mentioned the heath at the utset. If you if
you're in the middle of New Zealand's bush at the moment,
all you hear are wasps.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Really, I mean you hear the birds, but you know.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
It's just a constant buzz. They are enormous. Probably did
you see that on this article that we have one
of the highest concentrations.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Of wasps and it's taken a lot of food away
from the twoies in the native birds, which I was
found very interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Would you would you ever have a crack at spraying
a wasps? You can, but do they automatically know that
you're the guy who's spraying them and they all attack you?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Do it at night. Really they're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Okay, there's your tip, as long as it's not the
wasp nest is not on someone else's.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Property the window.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Actually, by the way, on that I watched the odd
wildlife sort of thing and there was a fantastic clip
of these bee, a particular type of bee that actually
invite the wasps. They make a couple of the bees
become vulnerable and let them attack the bee, which leads
the wasp into the nest, and then all the bees
smother the wasp and just actually, okay, it's actually quite
(39:41):
amazing the different events mechanisms.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I mean, I don't know about you, guys, but monarchs
are completely the paper was no monarchs is here. No,
it's awful.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, Well, well we've solved the world's problems. Guys, thank
you so much. Luke and Paul. What are you up
to for the rest of the day? And I amerting
with thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
To go, I'll be creating menus for the new restaurant.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Oh good are you going to do? You've got eggs,
Benny on there, lunching dinner. Well, let's we'll booking for
a data in your restaurant. No, I'm looking at NAM,
looking forward to the name being announced. Good stuff. Hey,
we'll be back back. We have a new guest on
the period. Sorry on the one ref radio show, Come
Campbell to Noon. Gen Z are buying properties differently. We're
(40:23):
looking to that and just a moment. News Talks EDB.
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Coming up on today's show in just a moment, I'll
be introducing the panelists, but looking a little further ahead,
we will be taking your calls. As you know. On
(01:07):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty after four, we have a
new guest for One Roof for the One Roof Radio show,
and it is Campbell DeNoon from the He's from LJ. Hooker,
and we're going to talk about the new ways people
are buying houses, especially gen Z. There's some startling statistics
about the number of people who are buying with a
friend or a Sybney, a sibling, a Sybney. Gosh, Oh,
(01:28):
you've got to have a good pronunciation slip from time
to time, don't you, and after five o'clock we have
midwife Great Strangers with us. We're going to talk about
birth plans, whether you sort of have to be ready
to throw those out the window at the first contraction,
and should you have one, but also anti natal classes.
Who gets the most out of them? Mums or dad's
be chatting with you can put your calls, and of
(01:49):
course on those two hours on eight hundred eighty ten
eighty and before six will be previewing Crusaders versus Wina Pacifica.
We'll be chatting with Nick Beiley about that shortly before
six o'clock. But right now we can welcome to the
weekend Collective. It is eight past three.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Tim Beverage, the weekend Collective called eight hundred News Talks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Be it's in time out for our panelists. I've decided
to cut out the cute quips where I sort of
talk about who might be the most handsome or the
oldest or the most beautiful. They're both beautiful guys. And
then firstly he is a state agent, a businessman and
restauratetor Luke Dallo Gida. How are you going great?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
How are you made feel good? I've been busy this week.
I've just signed up a new lease on a restaurant. Actually, oh,
back in the game. Back in the game, really with
a couple of partners. You've got a name for it.
We have, but I can't. I can't put them on
the road. And I want to get at enough, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And you know, well we no doubt we will hear
about it because you know, Luke Dallo's opened some new
establishments and new establishment What does this mean for the market?
Is this a sign of optimism? Is consumer confidence back?
You could be the harbinger of some good news. My
friend master, the ferry Master, fantastic anyway, and joining him
(03:03):
as a sociologist and ameritus professor, he's quite flash. I'm
still waiting for him to have sir in front of
his name. It's Paul Spoonley. Hey, Paul Lake. Yeah, I'm good,
I'm good, good, good. You've just done the heafy track.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I've done the heafy track.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
How long our country is a beautiful country? Four days walking?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Wow? And an arduist four days walking? What did you
do the past version where you send other people along
with you?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Stay?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
No, no, we lumped it all in and out.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
No, the longest day was about twenty four k's about
seven hours walking.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's a lot of That is a lot of walking, though,
isn't it. You'd love it, You'd love it. I'd love I.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Know I would.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Actually, I've got no quish. Actually I forgot it's my
winning anniversary today. I I didn't forget it was my
reading anniversary today. I actually remembered. I just forgot now
and I did have to do the calculation seventeen years now.
But I I'm feeling quite smug because I remembered, and
I thought because I've died it on Google calendar and
(04:01):
I've got him reminder two weeks ahead, remember, And i'd
actually ordered it a leather sort of gift for my wife,
which is sort of case for carrying jewelry and things.
But I got it and embroidered and everything, and I
was feeling very smug about it. But I did love
her card to me, which I think sums up many relationships.
It says to my something basically to my darling husband,
(04:21):
who I love everything about you, And at the bottom
it says, except those things we've already discussed. Is it
a long list? I just love of course, I don't
think there'd be a husband or someone in a relationship
who wouldn't relate to that, like everything except for just
you know, when you put your washing out, you should
(04:42):
need to separate the whites and whatever. Anyway, Hey, good
to have you guys on the show. Right, let's get
into it, shall we. Oh boy, I was quite blown
away when I saw the story about those leaked US
defense texts, And because of the hours I work, I
saw the story break on the Atlantic. I've got a notification.
It was three minutes after they posted the story of
those leaked texts about the operation against the Hoothy's, and
(05:05):
I thought, it's funny when you see it, and it's
just an isolation. So all I saw was the Atlantic store,
and I looked. I thought, I wonder how big this
is going to be. But of course I couldn't check
what other media's reaction to it has been. But Paul,
this has been a mammoth story of cockups and incompetence
and shoot the messenger by the White House.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But I look at it, Yeah, you know, it's a
fiesco and I think what's the ongoing fiasco is how
they're dealing with it. No ownership, no acknowledgment, and the
blatant lies. I mean saying that there is no war plan.
You look at the you look at the email emails,
and you think, what are you talking about? That's a
(05:47):
war plan right there. But but how did the how
did Goldberg get on the list.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Experience?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You've gone straight to the really interesting issue on this. No,
I think I think this is fascinating because he was
there as what was his first name, suddenly having a
Jeffrey Goldberg, yeah, Jiffrey God yeah, James yeah, jeff with
the j JG. And so he was in there just
with initials. Is he on Mike Waltz's phone list? Because
(06:17):
that is someone whom Mike Waltz maybe has leaked to
And I've heard that put forward in a was Why
would a journalist who apparently the White House administration hate
have his contact details just as a set of initials.
I thought that was quite intriguing. What what do you reckon?
I mean, I love that fairy because it's so sort
(06:38):
of you know, cloak and dagger, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I mean, what are they hiding? But you got to
think it's absolute hees, I mean, completely denying it. It
is as crazy for a start, and this shows how
chaotic the States is at the moment. I mean, it's
so unreliable. But I love Trumpy what he came out
with saying, what do you say they couldn't run a
lemonade stand all alone? A war? Who said that about Trump?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Said that about who.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That Trump said that about Goldberg? Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Really, I would have thought that would go the other way,
because Trump also called it what did he say? He
called it a witch hunt, talked about the public ash.
I mean, look, they've gone on attack as the best
form of defense. And look, Mike Waltz at least owned
up it's my fault. But the fact is they're still
using a hackable app apparently, and the number of people
who are on that mailing list was it fifteen or
(07:31):
eighteen or something? And how vulnerable they made it? And
good old oh what's his name? The heckseeth the Secutary
of Defense going on full attack on Jeff Goldberg. It's like,
the thing is, how will it resonate throughout the States?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Do you think, Paul I have no idea America American
politics at the moment. It's a bit of a puzzle
to me. I just don't understand what's happening and how
people are seeing very different realities there and can I
I mean, the other thing is around signal. Were they
using signal to avoid any sort of oversight? I mean,
why were they using signal.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
For a start?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Signals are closed sort of app is, but like WhatsApp,
it's very secure.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well it's not locked behind, it's not in the classified
room where they're dealing with serious I don't know this
was serious.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Stuff, but you know, and my understanding is that Russian
and the Chinese have been hacking into it. Have they not?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I don't know who knows. Look, I mean in the
end of the operation went went according to plan. But though, oh,
I mean, what about that lady. I'm not a fan
old Josephine Goebels. Yeah, sorry, but I mean, I mean,
she's Trump's mouthpiece and she's going to say exactly what
he wants her to say and everything. But what I thought.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
The other one was Marjorie Green, where a UK reporter
tried to interview her and spoy did she go after that?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, Oh, she's bonkers.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
We don't take crap from people. We don't care about
your country.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You ought to go.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, it was sort of a full attack mode.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
She is.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, I think she's probably diagnosable nuts. I don't
know if you I don't know if that is a
psychiatric diagnosis. But this person is, how do I put it?
She's nuts? I mean, what did you make of Carolyn
Leavitt's handling of it as well? And going on the
attack against the magazine and the journalist wasn't his fault?
He's put on the blooming list?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Was it no?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No, and denying it was classified. And then they say
we'll show us the text and he goes, okay, if
you're saying it's not classified. He is all the texts
and everyone goes those look like war plans.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yes, and Hekith got off that plane and bang did
he go after Goldboo? Man?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Was that that was? That was vicious?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Here's the thing, though, I don't know, Well, I guess
they were always going to get a cane or it
was going to be a big political story, of course,
But I do wonder if they did make a mistake
and just saying, look, we've made a big mistake here.
This was inadvertent and explain it and say we have
changed our procedures. There's no way that will ever happen again.
And I think I don't think the story would have
had the life that it.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, it still would have had a lot of you
came front foot, but it's going to be like really yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And you notice non Fox media in the States have
been playing the attacks on Clinton and insecure.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
On stuff on private email sit yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
All things come back to here's.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
The thing, because you know, I watched the news network,
and I sort of generally watch the news networks, and
I get a bit bored with we can make out
my own.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Minds up on the story.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I sometimes think that the most effective commentary is the
commentary from the late night shows, because they inject a
bit of humor, and they can use a level of
hyperbole and color that highlights the absurdity of it all,
whereas the journalists have to sort of have a bit
more circumspect. And I think some of the comments from
I know where it's the Daily Show and the late
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night showing things like those are the ones where almost
I wonder how many people get their current affairs from
the satire follows. Do you watch those shows? Local colorful,
I'd say, but you get a lot more out of it.
You actually pick up.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
The personality of the article. But you know, six o'clock
news a bit gray, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
What it is? Are you talking about New Zealand generally.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
To be careful about those comments, given your relatives anyway,
Well maybe we should take that opportunity to move things. Hey,
now on to look aging gracefully or no, I mean
I don't think it's gracefully at all, actually, but aging
with vim and vigor. Winston Peters turning eighty and I
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heard Mike Hosking make a really interesting comment about you
know that he was sort of philosophizing a little bit
about people getting older, and actually thought he nailed it.
He said, you look at he said, you look at
Winston eighty years old. Name me someone in the house
who can go toe to toe with Winston and come
out the winner. And you look at he's eighty. And
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then he took me talked about how different cultures say
age is just a number, whereas we seem to be
fixated on sixty five and you know, you put out
to pasture. And then Mike's comment was which I thought
was spot on him and it's taken note of it.
He's got a purpose. And that guy he's pumping, isn't
he Paul he is?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I mean I was at university with Winston in the
nineteen seventies, and man, that guy can reinvent himself and
keep Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What was he like in the seventies, Well, am I
lad to say this? Well, just be diplomatic.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
He he was known as, if I remember correctly, Giovanni
because he adopted that sort of Italian look.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's maintained.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
He's maintained that, you know. I mean, he dresses well,
he looks well. He I think he's I think he's brilliant.
He's a good advertisement for somebody who's eighty and still
got it all. And I must say all I hear
about him in terms of his Minister of Foreign Affairs,
he's doing a damn good job.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Because it's almost like there are two Winston, isn't there Luke,
And so there's the campaign in Winston who I didn't
really like to be honest during the election, but is
a deputy Prime Minister Foreign Minister. I think he's fantastic, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean he's my neighbor. Winston's my neighbor. I love
this guy. I love him. I love him as far
as prime minister. I would definitely have him on my team.
You know, he's a good man, I mean. And also
I've met him many of times by bards and restaurants
out there with the figs Dunehall Blues, puffing away just.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Because he did, because they asked him how he kept going,
and he did this big spiel about his diet.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
It doesn't smoking, he doesn't have desserts so often hydrates.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
But I've seen him at the Green Parrot down in Wellington.
I've had a t bone steak with him. It's just
going to show one thing, right, I'm going to say
this ready just to go. This shows that Martin Polynesians
can absolutely live a lot of healthy life. You know,
if you eat well, look after your body, you can
get to your eighties.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Has he has he eaten well and looked after poster
boy for this stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And my mother loved him, you know, yeah, the woman
loves Winston mart with that big long hair as always goody,
good looking, keep going Winston.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So I just think we should put that in the
news that Winston was formerly known as Giovanni.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I hope I'm writing on that one but that's that's
my memory.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's my memory, and I'm sticking with it. I interviewed
him last week for Politics, and actually the interesting confession
that I got, I was surprised because it was a
slightly cheeky question. You know how He's doing the State
of the Nation address and he had those protesters from
all sides. He had the pro Greyhounds, Andy Greyhounds, Palestine
and all that sort of thing, and I just said
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to him, look, is there a part of you can
I just ask, is there a part of who actually
really loves it when people stand up and protest and
do that, because you just love giving it back and
it energizes you and launches you. And he just laughed
and said, yeah, I do. Quite I'm paraphrasing, but he
pretty much said, yeah, I do. And I'm sort of
thinking that should be a headline just about Winston loves
the protesters.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But I listened to that term and there was that
little laugh that he does that.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Okay, he loves it, he loves it getting attention. He's
talking about he gets attention.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Right, that's a great thing actually, But I mean, just
looking at the broader thing there, I think there are
some lessons on the whole living your life well, and
you look at just having a purpose. And here's a
guy who is eighty and obviously health challenges can hit
you and knock you out of the game and really
debilitate you. But I think he is a perfect example
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of someone who's loving what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Why would he stop? Yeah, it's a perfect example. You
can't kill an old wheat, I hope.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I think the smoking thing again.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Hey, by the way, you're coming in hot. Actually, I've
got to say, out of all the politicians in Parliament,
let's just I mean, I don't mean this is a
leading question. You don't have to answer this in the
way I think you might. But he would be in
terms of sitting down for over a state and maybe
at glass of whiskey in the conversation, he would be
top of my list, and probably sitting next to him
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might have Shane Jones, And then I'd have to think
about who number three would be. What about you guys?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well Winston. Winston is not a great fan of mine,
and when I've been on and he doesn't like what
I'm saying, he gets very formal. Professor Spoonley doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Know what he's talking about.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
So I you know, I sort of admire the man,
but I wouldn't probably be sitting down.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I'd have him.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I'll have both of those two, yeah, at your new restaurant.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yes, absolutely, But I don't know about the third though,
or the fourth or the fifth. Yeah, they'd be pretty boring,
wouldn't they? Those two would be great.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Think about that. People can text us if you like,
because I think it'd be interesting which which politicians and
I'll feed that back afterwards. But hey, we'll take a
quick moment. We'll come back in just a moment. You're
with our panelists. I'm Tim bever just as Luke Dello
and Luke Dello is my first panelist, and Paul Spoonley
will be back in just a moment News Talks. He'd
be it's coming up to welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
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This is our panel. Get my panelists, Luke Dallo and
Paul Spernley. I'm Tim Beveridge, and right, guys, let's get
into this new study on it impaired prime ministers. So
there's options to remove prime ministers when their decision making
abilities are impaired must be developed. There's authors of this
new study claim that, and they look at the they
look at the heavy drinking of Sir Robert Muldoon, among others.
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I mean, he did call an election when he was
probably a little bit sozzle. But there of the four
New Zealand prime ministers study, two died in office. That
was Michael Joseph Savage and Norman Kirk. And of course
we've got the overseas example of someone who went on
too long, and that was Joe Biden. But we just
talked about an example of someone who's doing really well
at the age of eighty. It was Winston. I tend
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to think that these things need to be looked after
by a democracy, Paul, because you have a cabinet. You know,
you've got a prime minister. He's not rock and rolling.
If they're really losing the plot, isn't the coud A
targeting to happen naturally?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I don't think it is, because well no, no. I
think what the study shows is that the degree of
secrecy and the way in which a party wraps itself
around a seriously ill prime minister in this case, and
we don't we the public don't know about how ill
they are. I mean I can remember Norman Kirk and
he didn't look well, but you know, he should have
been removed from office. I'm not sure that the US
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system is the best one, but they do have an
independent authority which looks at the capability of their president.
But you've got to ask, well, why didn't they kick
in when Joe Biden. There is a book coming out
on Joe Biden's health in a couple of months, and
apparently it's a very interesting story about how incapacitated he
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was and how they manage that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, well, I think we saw examples of it when
you sort of blanked out a couple of times. And
what do you reckon, Luke.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I think it's a fair idea. I mean, personally, I
think it's making sure the pems fit for the job,
unless it's assessed by the opposition doctor doctor Cohen exactly.
Medical check. And I mean, but seriously, you might not
like this, but if I did a medical check on
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the Green Party today, there'd be problems.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Actually, here's the thing though, The reason I think it
has to be left up to more democratic processes, regardless
of their fallibility, is if you did have you know,
a couple, you know, team of doctors who decided that
a prime minister wasn't fit for it, and people didn't
agree with that assessment. I don't know. I just feel
we're living in the age of sort of conspiracies and
all that sort of stuff, and I just I wonder now.
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The reason I say this is because these days, regardless
of I think, with social media and the immediacy of communications,
we're living in an age where political leaders are far
more under scrutiny. Every moment is caught on someone's camera,
Whereas in the old days it was, you know, unless
you're with the TVNZ sort of camera, somebody's behavior would
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only be talked about, whereas these days, somebody starting to
go off the rail, there's a smartphone capturing every moment.
Do you think we'd never get to that stage where
you'd need doctors, Paul, No, perhaps not.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And I agree about the goldfish bowl that politicians live
in because I think, you know, you just can't avoid
that sort of scrutiny. But I do think Tim, you
and your colleagues around the media generally play a really
important role. So if I think back, I think there
was too much deference given to politicians. So even the
parliamentary cruise would have said, Okay, Norman Kirk, not so well,
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but we're not going to broadcast it. We've been asked
not to, we've been told not to.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
We won't do that.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You can imagine that, and I don't think that would
occur now.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
No, no, what do you reckon, Luke? Trust democracy or
get the doctors to rule them out?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Trust democracy and trust iPhones, trust smartphones.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I mean, it's it is interesting. Back in those days
you'd say it's a shame they didn't have that system.
May yep, absolutely, Yeah, Well let's segue onto let's go
to you on this one, Luke. So Tamatha Paul has
a lot has been made of someone who's not really
at the top of the tree. But she's talked, you know,
talked about having a meeting with Peace Actional Tatahi about
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abolition of the police, and then talking about how people
don't feel comfortable in the presence of the police. I
think the vox pops that the TV did of people
on the street were generally like, actually, I quite like
seeing the police around. Is Tamotha Paul going to be
ruled out by a panel of psychiatrists if she became
Prime minister.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
How that on earth do these people get into Parliament?
Max called MMP it's crazy. I'm sorry. I mean the
police should be our looking after our community. I mean,
when I see a policeman, I go up there and
shake his hand and say, hey, you going police person.
Sorry all the off.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
We'll send you to the naughty room.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And just the moment, Luke, but it's it's crazy that
these words come out of Parliament.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, I would expect to see it on the on
the grounds of a university campus with student politics. But
but yeah, I do think that some of the utterances
that come out of the Greens from a little bit
bonkers on this stuff. And Paul, I know, look, it's
pretty tricky for you because you do you have done
work with the police commissioner and things on these things.
But I mean the comments. I mean, obviously there are
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some people that are uncomfortable about the police, but we
have a very diverse police force now in terms of
its racial makeup, and it matches broadly speaking New Zealand's population.
It does. I like the fact that we see police
on the street. I'm sure retailers like seeing them send
them wander around the malls. What are you What do
you make of her comments?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Well, I.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Can play as safe as you like for you, Okay,
you don't have to thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I mean, we've just finished a big piece of work
for the police commissioner and what we're seeing and is
this a police community relations I think that she overstates
the case around the visibility and the acceptance of people
on the beat. So I'm one of the generation that's
like Luke or one of the people that's like Luke.
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Says great, and I will shake their hand and I
will say hello to them. I think the point that
she was making underneath all of that was that some
communities are not quite so happy with that. And that's
exactly what we've found. So we looked at what policing works,
what's really good about some police actions and policies in
this country, and what doesn't work. So there are bits
that can be improved. And so there are some communities
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that feel rather differently around having police on their streets
and they want to see I mean, you know, youth
aide officers, Maori Warden's there are a number of things
that they're looking for rather than just simply being police there.
But of course and that all got lost in this
and I you know, I think that's a failure.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, And there would be members I think of the
Asian community who instinctively don't have recent immigrants, who come
from places which are a little bit more totalitarian with
the police, who would naturally say, yeah, I'm not I'm
a bit nervous of it because where I've come from.
If you've moved over from Hong Kong, does the site
of a police officer thrill you? Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I've been doing a television show on one of the
low Collasian stations with a police officer, and it's been
really interesting to hear what the feedback and questions are
if I catch if I catch somebody burglarizing my shop
or my home, why can't I beat them up? If
the police turn up, why do they ask me about
things like my insurance policies. You know, there's a real
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there's quite a disconnect, and we do need to get
that right.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's interesting. I did see that. I mean, we haven't
slaated this for conversation, but I think that the government
are looking at the powers of citizens arrest and what
you can actually do. Yes, And I think I mean
It's a tough one to get right because you don't
want people using it as an excuse to beat the
living daylights out of someone who's taken a couple of
candies from the counter. But if somebody is breaking into
your valued business and is destroying your livelihood, I would
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think you should be able to pull out the baseball
bat and clock them one.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And if this gentleman on my right, I mean, if
if somebody walks into his restaurant and then walks out
without pain, I'll.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Their ankles and bring them back in. Absolutely, I'll take
I'll take the consequences.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Looks, speaking of issues around justice, tell you what We'll
take the break because we're going to talk about Liam
Lawson and just a man. This is News Talks it be.
It is twenty four minutes to four.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Love Kick starts again, Love.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
To see you get bored, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Paul Spindley and
Luke Dello on my panelists. Guys, Liam Lawson dropped from
Red Bull up to just two races. People were saying, well,
surely it couldn't be that soon that you've got to
gi him at least half a dozen. But he's he's
been bumped down to Red Bull Racing and I think it.
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I think it sucks, but I'm excited about next weekend,
Luke so Am.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I look, if one is a there's a lot of
money in the if one, it's a high pressure sport.
If you don't, you know, you don't perform, you get dumped.
Now for him to become a great driver, he needs
to be dumped. He needs to feel really bad then
and now he's going to jump on this pan good
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You've got to get dropped down. The All Blacks have
become a good, great All Black right, but he'll jump
in that count against Japan. He knows the track really well.
And you know, I reckon ongoing top five finish.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know what, that would just be Christmas if he
was top five and Sonoda, which is a high chance,
sticks it into a wall and is out. I don't
mean in a life threatening way. I just mean, you know,
in a race ending way. And there are a few
people I think you'd get good adds on that at
the TB do you follow?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
No, I didn't, but I saw that Docco that was
around there for that changed my view. But don't you
blame the team Red Bull.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Don't you think I hadn't re sent its blameing, it's
mismanagement and so forth. But that's them, that's the arrogance
of Red Bull. They can't be number one, right, They've
got the money, they can do it, and there's a
lot of money involved or just podiums.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It just feels like they're scapegoating a young driver because
he didn't suddenly become a bad racer. He's he's an
impressive racing car driver, right, And you know, maybe I
think there've been some personnel changes in Red Bull. You've
got the best driver in the world and indisputably who's
struggling with the car. And they've given Liam what they
could have stuck him in an old Red Bull car
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for a couple you know, that was more than two
years old. He could drive it as much as he
liked to get used to it. But I think it's
all on them, and very little of this is on Liam.
I think Paul and he.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Knows the Japanese circuit, he didn't know the two that
he raced on. He should have been given a third chance.
And you just wonder if there is this is my
conspiracy theory, But you just wonder if, right, we're racing
in Japan, we better have a Japanese driver in there.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, wander of Apparently Honda put a lot of money
into Sonoda, and I think goes that way to have
sacred are also present as well, and I think there
might I've seen a suggestion that there might have been
an incentive to get him in that car. But actually,
here's the thing. Because I've drive to survive and because
of the fantastic coverage we have of the F one,
now I would say that I'm not I haven't anticipated
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a sporting event with as much excitement as I'm looking
for to next weekend because it's got everything that Kiwi's
we love. We've got our guy in there. Well, he's
an underdog, he's up against it, he's had an injustice
pulled against him by most New Zealander's reckoning, and I
can't I'm way more excited than about this than I
would be about watching the All Black against him.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
What Yeah, the bark of America's Cup. Yep, it's like that, Yeah,
slap in the face, get down. Four years we take
it for the next three three America's Cups. That's the
Kiwi Way.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, I think he's got our sympathy, but I do
hope that he's getting good mentoring, good support, and that
he's given a chance.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I suspect he probably is because it looks like they
I would say that guys like gave the impression that
he likes, you know, but they've made a ruthless decision.
Would And look, he's racing for red Bull red Bull
for whatever. I can't remember the name of the Visa
v car Visa credits and red Bull Racing or something.
I don't know. Yeah, anyway, Visa cash App, red Bull.
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I think racing ball, Visa cash App racing Ball. That's it.
That's my just getting in my ear. That's why I'm
stuttering all over it. So go Liam. I can't wait
for next. I can't wait for next. It'll be Saturday,
I guess, is it or a Sunday. But anyways, it's
a week away right onto other sporting things. So whether
it actually means anything, because they've still got to find
a lot of money, there's the There was the rivalry
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between the bid to build a brand new stadium down
on the waterfront at a cost of quite a lot
and Eden Park being maybe needing another one hundred and
ten million or something, and the councilors have back and
backed the local institution for the for the fit for
purpose main stadium. And I want to know what you guys,
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which way would you have voted, Paul? And what emotionally
If you could click your fingers and have one or
the other and you could just pay for it, which
one do you go for?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Big site, big site.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I just think this is status quo, lack of vision
of our council. You know, I know, I know we
didn't like it when Trevor Mallard suggested a waterfront stadium.
But I look around stadiums around the world and I think, God,
there's so much more exciting than Eden Park. Eden Park
still has its place, but why don't we do something
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really exciting. I'm looking for atmosphere and I think we
need something that holds, say fifteen to twenty five thousand people.
If you look at those those rugby a lot of
those rugby games, how often does Eden Park get filled
up or even half of Eden Park get filled up?
I think there's a I would have opted for a
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new stadium, and I would put it so that they
can go up the Ponsonby Road, go to to Luke's
new restaurant and then wander down Bengo.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
There you go anyway, So thank you, Paul. Think if
you've spilt that out clearly and concisely, and what do
you reckon? Luke?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
My heart of hearts is a waterfront stadium. My financial
head says Eden Park, because it's already there. Financially, spend
the money on it, get it right, sell number two
or for or a few million dollars. I can do
that as a real estate agent.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Pitching for business Luke, dlo dot com or something.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Pitching today.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yes, but we definitely put a roof on Eating Park.
It's I mean, just put a roof and Eating Park.
Just get to spend the money on it now. But
I would love to see a little twelve thousand said stadium.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
But look, where's the money coming from the two hundred
mil that they need for stage one? They're going to
kick it down the road to government? Is government going
to fund that? I mean, I just can't see it.
It's got to be private money.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Well, I just look at the Also, I look at
Danneeda when they book need it. Yeah, half and a
puff and a half and a puff down there loves it.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yep, yeah, you know what I'm look, I'm as I've said,
what would I what would I prefer? And hands down,
I would prefer down on this brand new stadium down
in the waterfront. I've I've trolled through the plans of this,
the new one. I think it would be amazing. I
think this is the most uninspired decision. And I'm bored
with Eden Park. I know, sorry, sorry, people have played
their wonderful games there and we've all got great memories
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of amazing records of the All Blacks and all that
sort of stuff. But I just find it's so uninspired
as a venue. It's not something that people get excited about. Look,
you know we're going to do the helicopter fly over
of the match before. It's like, oh, there it is.
It's a patch of grass with some seats around it.
I just thought it's just a shame. I'd love to
see one of our you know, maybe Graham Heart name
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it Graham Heart Stadium and we'll let him have a
he can obviously if he owns the stadium to do
it once. We need someone who's got deep pockets to
come in and go well, I'm not putting any money
into e part, but I'll tell you what, if you can,
I'll work with these guys and we'll make it happen.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Well, Foley can do that, right, Yeah, I was going
to say, I think there are some big players in
town and it's going to be interesting to see what
Bill Foley does.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
What's he worth? Billions?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Billions?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Billions and billions?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Okay, well, let's let's keep our fingers. Oh look, you know,
and I know it sound harsh on endpac, but it's
just you can just imagine every city if we want
to be a city and get the momentum and the
bars and everything. Okay, fine, continue, I can you Statium
would be great.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Sorry to but it's like an old house that's been
cobbled together over the years and we're doing another cobble.
And I agree about the ruth, but you know, can't
we do something a bit more exciting, a bit more accessible,
bit more weather actions taking place?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Could we fake an earthquake in it?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh jesus. Okay, we'll be back with Luke if he's
not counseled between now and four o'clock. Actually, we will
take a quick moment and we're going to come back
and talk Italy's proposal to give babies by default mum's
last name rather than dad's, which is an interesting concept,
(34:48):
and three blokes are going to be discussing that now
so you get a balanced view of it. News Talks
here B twelve minutes to four. Yes, welcome back to
the show. Lukedala and Paul Spoonley are my guests on
the panel. Now, this is an interesting one. I don't
know how it ties into a New New Zealand context,
but Italy is considering automatic giving babies their mum's surname
instead of dad's, and of course it sparks plenty of
(35:11):
discussion around things, and I guess the convention generally well
until double banger names came in and everything is that
dad's name went on the birth certificate and I always
thought that was okay because I'm doing to generalize here,
but the birth mother has a very close bond with
the baby and it's a nice way of, you know,
giving dad an extra connection by name sort of thing.
But I mean, these days you just people choose what surname,
(35:35):
don't they What do you reckon port? No?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
They do?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
And I mean if you look at the surnames in
New Zealand. What you see is the growing use of
double barrel surnames. So I think the mother's names appearing
more and more in there. And can I just say
this is a very Anglo Saxon thing. If my younger
son was in Costa Rica, they automatically use the first
surname of their father and the first surname of their mother,
(35:59):
and they put them together, and so as each generation
comes along they use that first.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You just combined double banger names. You have such and
such Psmith, Barrett Hocking.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
No, no, no, no, you only have two names. So
each name, each child in Costa Rica gets two first
names you don't call them middle names, and two surnames
Mum and Dad's automatic. Not a big thing.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, I'm not in favor of it. Just the lineage,
you know, keep it nice and simple for the lineage
of the Roman days.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Just keep the patriarchy, you know, it's just.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Just keep it simple. Why change things now, you know?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Actually it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I would have thought you would have been a choice man.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It's your choice.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
I am a choice man. I am a choice man. Absolutely,
your choice I've got. But this is my opinion.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Actually, and when we had our children, I said to
my wife, I mean, I don't mind. What do you
want to do surnames? She just said, no, beverage is fine. Tip.
Oh that's a nice Now I've identified my wife, you
can stalk her on. So yeah, I mean it's an
(37:07):
interesting one. And to be honest, if you've got if
you had a very long Dutch or German name and
you double bang it with another Dutch, long Dutch or
German name, you could be you could take you half
an hour at us introduce someone, couldn't it?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Keep it simple, spelling it just keep it simple.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Although, as I say, three men making the call on
that money and texture texture hate on news talk. Finally,
just have you guys noticed a lot of wasps?
Speaker 3 (37:29):
It's awful. It's awful absolutely. I mean even I was
driving up the road after Russell had my arm out,
I got stung. I wash three times whilst I was
doing one hundred and five.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
And the reason that's funny, the reason that's funny is
that once keep the arm out there twice, still keeping
the arm out there three times, she's stung.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
To hell to help they've got stung. But wasp have
a place in nature. They keep the aphids down.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
The well.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I've seen that there is. That's the one species that
scientists are considering whether it's worth trying to find a
way of eradicating every wasp of existence because they don't
see that just a predator that just messes with bees
and all sorts of things.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Satan Satan, Satan rude?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Is it rude tomorrow morning?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, ask him?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Actually you should you get Luke on the line. He's
got a question for rude wasps love them? Wait on,
you mentioned the heath at the utset. If you if
you're in the middle of New Zealand's bush at the moment,
all you hear are wasps.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Really, I mean you hear the birds, but you know.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
It's just a constant buzz. They are enormous. Probably did
you see that on this article that we have one
of the highest concentrations.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Of wasps and it's taken a lot of food away
from the twoies in the native birds, which I was
found very interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Would you would you ever have a crack at spraying
a wasps? You can, but do they automatically know that
you're the guy who's spraying them and they all attack you?
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Do it at night. Really they're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Okay, there's your tip, as long as it's not the
wasp nest is not on someone else's.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Property the window.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Actually, by the way, on that I watched the odd
wildlife sort of thing and there was a fantastic clip
of these bee, a particular type of bee that actually
invite the wasps. They make a couple of the bees
become vulnerable and let them attack the bee, which leads
the wasp into the nest, and then all the bees
smother the wasp and just actually, okay, it's actually quite
(39:41):
amazing the different events mechanisms.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I mean, I don't know about you, guys, but monarchs
are completely the paper was no monarchs is here. No,
it's awful.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, Well, well we've solved the world's problems. Guys, thank
you so much. Luke and Paul. What are you up
to for the rest of the day? And I amerting
with thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
To go, I'll be creating menus for the new restaurant.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Oh good are you going to do? You've got eggs,
Benny on there, lunching dinner. Well, let's we'll booking for
a data in your restaurant. No, I'm looking at NAM,
looking forward to the name being announced. Good stuff. Hey,
we'll be back back. We have a new guest on
the period. Sorry on the one ref radio show, Come
Campbell to Noon. Gen Z are buying properties differently. We're
(40:23):
looking to that and just a moment. News Talks EDB.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
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