September 20, 2025 • 40 mins
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Welcome to the Weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Week Tim Beveridge on the weekend collective called eighty News Talks.
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for metaphors. Are illustrious panelists, Let's say illustrious. Let's go
with that he's well known to news Talk, said be
audience as a guest on this panel and also as
host of the Nutters Club. It's car McDonald. How are
you going?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Sure, I'm well, thank you excellent?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You look well, you're looking.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
In fact, we're all in T shirts today.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
It's lovely day up here.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
That's that cusp of the season where you step outside
and you go jersey. No, yes, maybe try the T
shirt or I think I'm surviving and I think my
next guest is only wearing a T shirt because he
just managed to get dressed and in the door in time.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Hush, sorry, it's Luke Dalloo, prietor of Gg's.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
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interesting job today and my first das spring. He could say,
I defrosted the freezer. Well done by accident, No, no,
by choice, because I was thinking I have done it.
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Finally surprising little treats.
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Actually I won't tell you what it did find.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But yes, you ran into the building, didn't you? Because
classes are still steamed up. He was running a bit late,
I see. I think he left his phone or or
clothes at home.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Or he's tied up for our topics to day tim.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Ready to go anyway, Hey, good, good to see you guys.
Now I don't mind telling you. Oh actually, let's start
with some positive news. And I've got an interesting observation
on this as well. Just breck Baton Bouquet in away.
But I thought it was amazing that New Zealand has
won its first ever track gold medal at the World Champs,
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because World Champs have been of course, of Peter Snell
was around during the World chance that they were round
while Peter Snell was doing it wouldn't be our first.
But Jeordy Beamish a great result in the three thousand
meters steeplechase and then followed up by Hamish Ker with
the gold medal. And I had a bet with one
of our journalists that one news would not stick it
at the top of the Sports a bulletin and I
was right. It was second behind the netball and the rugby.
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So I don't know what that's all about, but amazing result.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Heh luke, what a great race that was because in
the heat he actually tripped up too and.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Got a boot in the face.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean a boot, a light sort of spread shoe,
a little scraping, a little scrapyd a little dust up,
and yeah, I mean what he came he came through
and won, and that's great news. Athletic athletics is great
at the moment, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Actually, did you get the sense that the guy who
he beat it, I think he's Algerian and Moroccan and
I couldn't quite remember, but he's a bit of a legend.
He was sort of going for it down the strait
and I think he thought he had it in the
bag and Beamish just plows up and you can see
him going, whoa, No, maybe he's second guessing he should
have put the hammer on fans this morning. Oh okay,
let's yeah, Well we can talk about that briefly. Anyway,
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you into the athletics at all.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I have Tom and I didn't watch either of the
events life, but it did go back and look at them,
so I know we won and it's amazing. And when
you think about those sort of slow motion shots of
you know, if John Walker winning gold and so on, like, yeah,
let's get behind them. I mean, it's pretty phenomenal. And
Hamish care is not. It's not just like he's just
happened to win a gold. He's no best in the
world by a country mile. I mean, got an Olympic
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gold indoor gold.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, I think that's the thing. To back up an
Olympic gold. It's not just you know, you put one
amazing performance and then everything felt a bit cee and
the other one actually amazed me. There were no places,
but we have three finalists in the women's pole vault
this little country called New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And two of them are from Takapuna.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Gramma.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I mean three?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There must be something special going on with the coaching
for pole volt in New Zealand Athletics.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
They're really stepping up, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, you know what I think My favorite finish is.
It's a bit like I love the moment when the
Dutch four x four hundred, four x four hundred relay
women's team in the Olympics where Femke Bowl won when
she was about thirty meters behind with about one hundred
and fifty meters to go. I love it when they
come around the band and there's still a bit again
and you just that's what Jordy Beamish did. It was
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remind me of that it's just moment.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It's such a pure sport, isn't it. I mean, like
a team sport, like football or rugby. You know, there's
a lot of coaching and technology and nutrition, but when
it comes to a foot race, really is just the
fastest person and that could be from anyone.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And that's your own race too. You've got to run
your own race to win it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
What were your sports when you were young, Fellas?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I was a softball player, and a rugby player, and
a tennis player.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Tennis, But what was your top sport? Are we just
a fantastic at all of them?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I'm pretty good at all sports. I get medals all
the time.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Do you ever play for your country?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, I did not. I played for my county, l
for my region. Oh that's pretty good. I was a
Catholic school board champion.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Really not bad. That is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I had a good serve and a good little.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Lob and relationship with the Lord to help you get
over the line on that one.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
What about you, Carl, Rugby? Mostly volleyball, quite liked volleyball.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Tall that was the volleyball.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Who did you play for tech a pinegram? It is
junior level, But then I played rugby, played first fifteen
for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I did volleyball with Western Heights. Okay, we won the
we were national champs. Actually he's Zeeland under eighteen team.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I've always been hopeless at anything, heading a ball with
something hopeless. So yeah, it wasn't much of a summer sportsman.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I think we were. I think I know it's taroing
of boys. That's right, Taro who were our rivals. God
they had some good players as well. Anyway, it's nice
to talk about some good positive stuff before the Look,
I I'm no economist. The GDP drop, I must say,
the economic news always sort of just sort of fudges
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around my brain a little bit, and I'm never really
sure what context to put it in, because it's a
great sport for politicians to play when one can blame
another and who's done that? But I tend to think,
without thinking of any particular era, that usually the Ministry
of Finance is either beneficiary or the scapegoat of good
or bad news, which largely are out of their control.
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Because but then again, is it a bad thing that
Nicola Willis has been criticized by Roger Douglas Kyle.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
What's certainly interesting isn't it a friendly fire? I look,
I get a bit frustrated with this, just just purely
from the point of view that, you know, the kinds
of issues that turn up in my consulting room of
people who are actually really struggling, often because of business difficulties,
you know, in the stresses and strains of that. So,
you know, I think what gets really annoying for most
people are seeing the blame game, the back and forth
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of who's to blame, and you know, trying to analyze
the numbers and treating it a bit like a sports contest.
For actual it's quite a lot of pain out there, you know,
and we know that people are struggling. The building industry
is kind of wrecked.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Really.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's certainly a great time to get a builder if
you need one. But I'll be interested to hear what
it's like on Fontbe Road. How's HOSPO looking.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, Hosbo's really tight at the moments. The titles I've
seen it in probably twenty years unbelievable. Wow, And I've
never I mean, I've been through the GFC, have been
through a couple of stop you stop breaking drops and
stuff like that, but this has got a long long tail,
But I reckon Willis's I mean, she's tiny up the screws.
And remember economics is a slow race too. You can't
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turn her around at a dime. But she is tinying
up the screws. But the big question is she's focusing
on the right stuff. I mean, I think test cuts
were a big mistake from the government. That's clear.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
We actually now we couldn't afford them, right man, and
hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But you know, yeah, And I mean she's focusing on
the Commerce Commission too, and should she be doing that?
Where I see it as she should be focusing on
getting the economy running well.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Of course, there's pressure on the Reserve Bank to drop
interest rates, you know, a bit further than maybe had
been anticipated now to get more cash into the economy.
But I think I was at a gig where Tony
Alexander was too. It was chatting about it and how
he reckons that the Reserve Bank will always err on
the side of being more cautious with interstraight drops. And
I think he's right, because you know, when they pull
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the big levers sometimes, you know, you get a reaction
to the other in the other direction. Which you really
you know, we want to turn around, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I was a talk last week in the Craig of
Vestpans and they reckon it's going to drop another percent
by June next year.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Wow, yeah, that is a hang on.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I've got an idea. Why don't we just ride the
back of a real estate boom, sell our houses to
each other and get lots of foreign investment and then
pretend like everything's fine. Let's work every other time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
We'll charge your houses at five million dollars each.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, why not? That sounds like you want to join
me for the for the one roof radio show and
you're going to stick around next hour? You just ride
shotgun with She'd be like, who's this guy? Carly wanted
to sit in with us? Well, just getting in my
old age actually, because I was trying to actually, no, no,
I'm not going to rob from the next hour because
I could easily go down that that avenue right now.
(11:06):
But look, I'm not surprised. I think it's a tough job,
and I think, look, maybe there are there are things
that people Chris Nicola was talked about cutting the public service,
but that's not going to stimulate the economy. That's just
saving the government's money. So everything's but I mean, she
hasn't cut anything, but we've still got way more public
servants than we had before labor added to them. So
she's talked a big game in that respect, and I
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think that's what's probably hoisting her buying potat in some
sort of way that she hasn't been as radical. But
I'm not sure that Roger Douglas having a crack at
you is necessarily the worst thing in the.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
World, would wear it as a bad you'vonitim.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Possibly they would, and we could. That's another discussion for
another time about anyway. M Look, look there is another thing. Listen.
This is a tricky subject and it's a heavy one
because the it's around court orders. And I'll mention why
I think we should have a quick chat about this,
but then move its sideways a bit. So the Tom
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Phillips case, there are suppression order is preventing media from
sharing certain information and from conversations I've had with people
who are not connected with the media, the Bush Telegraph
is doing a huge job on spreading word against the
wishes of the court. And okay, I mentioned that as
the reason for it because I don't really want to
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go near the subject matter that we're not supposed to
talk about. But I do wonder and look at it
all the time. There have been cases over the last
few years where the court suppress a certain information. But
if there's a certain if there's a case that's out
there that has a lot of public interest in it,
I almost wonder if the court makes itself irrelevant. But
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I maybe not just simply saying, look, these are uncomfortable facts.
But aren't we better to get trusted media outlets to
put facts out there rather than the rumor, speculation and
innuendo that we see constantly circling circulating around any major
case of major public interest. What do you reckon, car?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I think it's important to come back to the end
tension of suppression orders in general, which is to protect
those who have been victimized by a crime in some fashion.
So I mean to go sideways to a different example.
If we think about sexual violence, which is an area
that I do a lot of work in therapeutically, I
think the important thing actually comes down to choice for
the person who is being protected and recognizing that actually
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the safety of the victim is paramount. So there's been
some recent changes, for instance, where a victim of a
sexual abuse crime or sexual violence can choose to have
their protection.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Lifted because the ration you couldn't could.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Absolutely, because the rationale of name suppression is not to
protect the person who is guilty, but to protect the victim. Right,
So if the victim says, hey, I'm fine speaking publicly,
then the suppression should be lifted. It's difficult if people
are under age, because there's a duty of care to
protect people. But I think that's the rationale. The problem
is social media, right, and the ease of being information around.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Absolutely, And I.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Think that's the challenge for the courts going ahead is
when is when the cases and the Mara copy case
in particular has been massive. I mean all the media
outlets have been overwhelmed by the number of people clicking
on stories and things. But I think that it almost
there is a separate situation where they just have to
consider maybe the safe dissemination of accurate information. Because I
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also think that the public and New Zealand would be
very sympathetic to the kids and everything that's happened around
that Phillips family.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
What do you reckon I think we need to protect
the kids, for sure. But it raises a point of
what's better idle gossip or just the plain facts. Knock
it out, whip it out, get the playing facts out there,
move on, rather than people talking talking, talking, extrapolating the
truth X y Z where I mean. I mean, I'm
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hearing on the street. I hear in the restaurants, here
at the bars, are here at the sushi shop, you know,
and you know I hear it everywhere. But the thing
is it should just just get it out, rip the
bandage of move on.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, it is a difficult one anyway.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I thought it destroys in effect, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I mean, that's well, that's exactly it.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You know that once you actually make something forbidden, it
becomes more interesting. The case being Barbara Streisan trying to
suppress something about herself. I can't tell you I wanted
to know.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You can't remember what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I know no what it was. Literally, I don't know
how many times I talk about this, because it came
up again because Barbara Streisand was in the way we
were with Robert Redford and who passed away last week.
I think still I look at him and go, God,
what a good looking guy he was. But no, the
Straisand effect is there was a coastal survey, California coastal survey.
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People have listened to me on overnights, have heard me
talk about this a few times. And there were fourteen
thousand photos taken to document California's coastal erosion and everything.
And so it just took a bunch of photos. And
one of the photos seven eight five one three I
think I even know the number was Barbara Streisand's house.
And she didn't want that photo published. So it had
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been viewed fourteen times or no, what maybe it is
even less than that. When she took the department to
court to suppress it, to withdraw it, and as a
result of her suing, in the month that followed, there
were four hundred and forty thousand downloads of that image
and then it just went nuts because and up till
that point there are only fourteen, half of which were
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her legal team. But by the way, go and check
it out on Wikipedia, because if there was ever a
house I wanted, it would be Barbers Streisand house on
the coast of California, of course it is gorgeous. There
we go. That's a strides and effect everyone, Thank you
very much, at no extra cost.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Thanks too much.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Anyway, Hey tell you what We need to take a break.
We kind of come back and have a bit of
a chat about Eden Park and Nimby's and Chris Bishop
and predetermined and all that sort of stuff for more
events at Eden Park. We'll have a look at that
in just a moment. It's twenty three past three. Yes,
welcome back to our panel. Luke Dello and car McDonald
are my guests today. And guys, the Eden Park restrictions
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are going to be reviewed, and Chris Bishop has basically
said that the current restrictions are absurd and arbitrary, but
he's also adamant his review will be fair to both sides.
I'm not quite convinced because he's spoken out fairly clearly
about how he said and one thing either ridiculous, they' absurd.
We're going to get it cracking. We're going to do
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all this, but I need to follow a process statutorily,
I'm going to be fair. I'm not sure both can
be true. Luke, what do you think do you think
that is going to be a fair review of should
what events should be allowed, what increase It's.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Definitely not going to be a fair review. I think
any Part is one of our most valuable assets and
we need to use it to our potential because in
the past it's made losses and the Augan Council or
ratepayers have actually tipped more money into it to get
it living again. So I just think we just need
more concerts, more events, maybe triple it and give it
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a good crack. I mean, look, hey, no one's complaining
about the art, are they.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
No? I don't think so, but why would they complain?
Where is it? Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Is it inside?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Though?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So it's not.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Actually I think it's on the field.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Now I think it's inside, but I'm not sure. We're
maybe a few sculptures probably incompatible, but a bit.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Less yelling at a nut show, I would suggest.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
What will you see a bit of that? Woo?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
What do you reckon? Ki? Look?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I love Eden Park. I was a member with my
dad from two thousand and four to twenty twenty. Has
spent a lot of time watching watching the All Blacks,
watching rugby, watching the Blues lose for about forty years
in a row, and I just think what's been frustrating
for me over the years is I was listening to,
you know, the pie in the sky ideas of building
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another stadium, which frankly, we just don't have the money
or resources in the country right now. We've got much
higher priorities and spending billions on the stadium but not
allowing Eden Park to actually make the money that it
needs to make itself better. And so I'm all for
the changes, you know, in particular very much looking forward
to going and watching Metallica at full volume on a
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Wednesday night or just down the road from my house.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, I was going to joke and say, you
call yourself a Christian, but you probably don't.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's not really love with that neighbor.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
But look, Eaton Park was there when you moved in.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
In two thousand and five, we bought a house in
Western Springs, which was we could hear the speedway every
time it started up. And this was a similar argument
about the speedway, and I just thought, I'm not a
speedway guy. It's a pain in the bum, especially when
you've got a baby. But you know what, they're having fun.
And we bought the house here knowing it was there.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I think that there's that's a point. Up to a point,
it's because when you move it was a rugby venue,
a lot of people bought it. It was a rugby venue,
there'd be mostly daytime matches, then it became nighttime, so
an increasing a change in the use is something that
I think you were entitled to have your views heard.
And my only concern about it is the conversation has
been genuinely so contemptuous towards those people who don't want
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too much of a change there that I think it's
become a bit of a pylon. And I just I
think it's worth just at least saying it is still
a residential area. People are still entitled to some reasonable
enjoyment of their peace and quiet. Up to a point,
I think that you're right, it probably is ridiculous some
of the restrictions on events. But I just think that
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some people are arguing basically their attitudes are that the
residents can get stuffed, and I think they still have
to find a reasonable way through. And here's the problem
is that regardless of what happens with the decision, Chris
Bishop is going to be up for a judicial review
because he's expressed his personal thoughts way too strongly for
anyone to think that there was ever going to be
a fair process. You can call it a fair process,
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but when you say I've got to go through this process,
it's a bit like I've got to write a few
things down on paper even though I've made up my mind,
and that's my I think he's made it. He's made
a problem for himself, don't you think.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Carl Well, I mean, I do agree with what you're saying.
There does need to be a process. I think the
problem in the past is that the way in which
the RMA has been able to be weaponized by people
who object to things means that it isn't a process either.
You can actually just block something.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And why doesn't need to have a process.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
At a democracy?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I know it's a democracy. Why it's the I mean,
why why does that? Why can't they aunt concert of
tool can go into the end say look and put
a resource concent.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well, okay, here's a process. By that you'd say, let's
have a concert that starts at one am. Well, if
you don't have a process, then you just do what
you want. I agree, Yes, Oh, I won another victory
at Eden Park.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Undefeated.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Anyway, moving on to the freedom of speech thing Jimmy Kimmel.
Now that look the events in the UK where Jimmy
Kimmel was pulled off air, and definitely after comments he
made about the shooting of Charlie Kirk, which actually wasn't
so much. It wasn't actually about Charlie Kirk himself. It
was just about him saying that that the right wing
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was trying to, you know, do it all it could
to make sure it distanced him from the MAGA movement,
which didn't seem he was part of. And yet and
then there was a threat from I think one of
the commissioners around the ABC and all that, and all
of a sudden, Jimmy Kimmel has been pulled off here.
And I do think that America has got some big
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problems Kyle, when it comes to the partisanship determining issues,
not on whether the issue should be decided a certain
way because of simple principles and philosophy and moral value,
but just on whose side you're on.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Oh well, not even that, just down to the whims
of the great leader. I mean, it's actually quite terrifying
to me. You know, I sometimes struggle with where that
line is for free speech. But I think the point
is that we struggle with it, not that we make
an autocratic decision about who gets to say what on television.
I mean the idea of you know, it's ludicrous to
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even say it, actually, but the idea of Christopher Laxen
deciding that newstalksz B can't he a particular point of
view in this country would just be so outrageous to
people with That's effectively what has happened in the un It's.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Effectively like him saying he's going to have a chat
with the I'm not sure what body it is decides
who has what frequencies about pulling our access to certain frequencies.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Were rend us, we would all be.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Outraged, I think, regardless of whether you love or hate
the station.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And actually comedy has a huge part to play in
the media and you know, satirizing power, and it's no
surprise that they're going after them effectively first with the
Tonight Show. And I hope John Stewart stays on here.
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yes, did you see the video after he said that
about Trump being interviewed Trump, and Trump go, you know,
what do you think about the xboy ZN And Trump goes, Oh,
I'm very sad about it, but look at my construction
over here. Oh exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I mean we was asked about the death of Charlie
Kirk conscience and he literally just went, oh yeah, And
by the way, I've got something else I want to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But I think freedom of speech is getting worse. Actually,
I think even talking publicly about your opinion, you're either
going to hated take it all Facebook, you know, or discrutinized.
But why can't you have an opinion? Can't you have
an opinion? I mean it creates discussion, it opens up
ideas and engages people. And I just feel that you've
(24:14):
got to watch what you say to some people. And
I'm just talking publicly here, yeah, because you just have
this oh I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Like cancel culture and yeah. Look, I don't think we've
got the same problems here quite that they have in America.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I think we're we're doing pretty well on the old
freedom side.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Tim.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I think we're you know, when you look around the
world and New Zealand, Australia, you know, parts of Western Europe,
but possibly you know the UK struggling with this in
a similar kind of way to Trump. Actually, so long
way week, stay free to express ourselves.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
In express It's pleased to see that what was he
suing The New York Times for fifteen billion dollars because
it wrote a couple of articles that weren't you know,
he didn't like much. It's been thrown out, so at
least the courts so far have manished, and it's been
interesting to see what happens with this tariffs of course,
but oh well, anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
How many more years ago them?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
A couple too many probably, But anyway, hold your texts
on the Trump derangements syndrome.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
People.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
You should be all defending people's rights to say. I mean,
what's the famous quote, I may disagree with what you
say about defend to the death, you're right to say it,
et cetera. I can't remember who that was, but it's
some famous person. Anyway. Ah, speaking of the restrictions you
do have on certain speech, is you you're not free
(25:33):
to defame people. And this story about Bridget Macron, the
wife of French President Emmanuel Macron, where Candace Owens, who's
been fanning this, it's just this bizarre conspiracy that Brigitte
Macron was born male and she's banging on about it
for ages, and now the Macrons are going to actually
(25:56):
present scientific evidence and that way people who say are
explaining is losing and all this sort of stuff. But
they must have just had a guts full about about this.
Luke and Candae ogns she must be.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I mean, what sort of is she?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Stupid? Bigoted, misinformed, ignorant e all of the above. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
She's no oil painting, but I mean she's had, she's
had all.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You'll be canceled kind But are we talking about canvae?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
No? Yeah, she's not all painting. But she said to kids,
is she she? Why are we talking about this?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Well, it's because finally while they.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Are up it's one of those weird things where the
dark side of the Internet kind of bubbles up to
the surface. There was all there's a there's a sort
of a conspiracy that runs around the edges of things
that you know, the sort of that that there's a
whole bunch of secret change transgender people that have been
trying to take overy there. Well, there's similar theories about
Justinder Dun and various other female leaders through COVID as well.
It's quite mad, and I think I can say that,
(27:04):
but it's I just feel for the macrons. I mean,
what an awful thing to have to defend yourself against it.
And really it is just an attempt to, you know,
to again break the information machine. You know that here
or here we are dealing with clear misinformation.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Defending it, why just just just get it away, move away,
forget about it, put a bleak.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, I guess I sometimes do wonder, you know,
when you see something that is so obviously nonsense. Yeah,
and yet there is still a proportion of the population
who cling to a certain belief. I mean, there's probably
a whole lot of things I could say what should
get me canceled just about. But it does amaze me
at the human brain's capacity to to believe absolute bollocks. Yeah,
(27:46):
and so you know what, I hope that they I
hope that they win in a substantial award of damages
that makes people think twice before they spread the sort
of nonsense. They who's going to pay those damages? Well,
that's I think candas zones are supposed to pay them.
So just wait and see what happens on that one anyway, Hey,
look we need to take a moment. We'll be bad.
This is the panel on where the weekend collective. It
(28:07):
is twenty two minutes to four news talks. He'd b yes,
news talk zed be welcome back now. Actually now that
there was something else on the political front, which was
a strange sort of owned goal by a health news
in which looks like they're going to reverse it was
that the changes that were being made to they were
planning on having changes to allow twenty four to seven
(28:28):
access to patients were appropriate, which sounded I think it
was a bit like happening the floodgates, that the awards
were going to be having family members turn up all
the time, and it turns out I think it's going
to get reversed that. But it's funny. I wonder how
these decisions end up getting made, because I've known plenty
of people who've needed, you know, being in hospital or
(28:48):
something serious and the staff there allows someone to look,
you know, to be with them twenty four to seven.
So I don't know why they had to come up
with a specific policy which looked like anyone could was
entitled to go and visiting any time. What do you
what did you make of it?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Cahm.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Look, I think one of the more cynical views on
this was actually it was about enabling family to be
present more to actually help with the care of patients
as well. Now that might sound really cynical, but we
see this in mental health. You know that an underresourced
mental health system will often actually put a lot of
pressure on families to be able to support people when
they actually need the support of professionals. And no criticism
(29:24):
of the professionals, We're talking about a system that's really
really heavily under resource. So my concern with this was Ga,
what we're seeing here actually that they can't actually find
or employer or afford enough healthcare assistant, so they're needing
the family to come in and help with sort of
basic cares.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, what did you make of it?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Luke? I personally I'm on for visiting ours, you know,
restricting them. And the reason is is one is pressure
on the nurses and the healthcare. The second is you're
there to rest up. You're there to actually just look
at you know, get well, rather than talking to twenty
far now with some KFC type situation. But I'm all
(30:02):
about this heavy rest hea hours in and out, bang
move on, rather than not twenty four seven, because I mean,
you're not going to be there at two in the morning,
are you.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And as you say to it, I mean, what the
thing is if someone is you know, palliative, if they're
at the end of their life, or there is you know,
a clear reason why professionals have the ability to make
discretion calls in those situations, and they do.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Actually, I mean I've had to visit people in hospital
at various times, and There've been the odd time when
I've turned up and I've been a little outside the
hours and just say and I go up to reception
and just say, look, I'm just here. I don't know
if I can come and see such and such would
that be okay? And they might phone up to the
ward and there's always just a generally common sense, humor
humane approach to it. Yes, of course, you know, come
(30:43):
on up and you yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I mean as opposed to just twenty people with a
box of beers, it might be a different story.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Well, which you know, when you say twenty four to seven,
I know they did say it was going to be
subject to we're appropriate.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
But the other thing is thinking about other patients. I mean,
if you're in a room before, that's right, you know
everyone but you as having visitors at ten o'clock and no,
that's a bit rough.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Exactly can we borrow a couple of visitors please?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, I mean some people are like twenty four to
seven access to events at Eden Park anyway. Actually, I'm
just by the way, I'm just going to address there's
been a bunch of texts that come through. And it
always happens when we discuss free speech issues and Trump
and things like that, that people go, oh, listen to
this bunch of lefties on such and such a panel,
as if, as if an issue around free speech and
(31:28):
Trump and all that sort of stuff is a right
and left issue. I should point out that I'm I mean,
people might disagree with us. I'm fairly I'm senter right.
I guess Luke is to the right of Genghis Khan
and Carl's to the left of I don't know who.
But I just thought i'd mention it because this is
(31:51):
the one thing the things that frustrates it's the tribal
gets back to what we're talking about, the tribal nature
of politics that if you say anything. You know, if
Trump was to say that the sky was purple or
something and you said, well, he's an idiot for because
of course it's not. The people go oh no, you
know you must be a real lefting and Trump drain
for syndrome. It's like, no, I'm just interested in the facts.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So there is such a thing as fact still.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, Fleets, Yes, sorry, I thought we misheard you for
a second there. Luke tell you what. We will take
a break and we'll be back in just a moment.
It is quarter to four news Talk, said b Yes,
welcome back to Paddel Car MacDonald and Luke Dello are
my guests today. Hey guys, this thing about it's a
bigger question around the whole self drive because Tesla's self
(32:38):
driving technology has arrived in New Zealand and Australia and
it's marking the first time that there's a right hand
version of what's been launched across the globe. And so
I guess just quickly, the question is would you trust
a self drive car yourself? And what do you think?
You know? You would you be comfortable with other people
(33:00):
driving self drive cars? Would we trust those self drive
cars more than we would with someone who's trying to
drive their car and checking their email at the same time.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Car as someone who drives in Auckland. I think I
probably trust some cars to drive themselves better than some
of the people seem to drive the cars. But have
you have You've driven a car, one of a really
modern vehicle with all of the auto following and laying things,
and it's like like you can just about take your
hands off the wheel and it sort of drives itself.
But I actually find it quite It takes quite a
(33:28):
bit of getting used to because it feels like actually
something else is happening that you're not quite in control of.
So I actually imagine it'd be quite frightening to actually
take your hands off the wedding that it drive itself,
because it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Seems it's intended to be used only with a fully
intentive driver.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I mean, well, you only have to look cheap to
see what people get up to with self drive cars
in the US.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Really, have you been spending time what particular website? Is
that car? Not safe for work?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Luke?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I'm talking you know, making cup of coffee, maybe a
bit of knitting, sort of reading your book. Yeah, family friendly.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I'm all force, you know, all for it, because I mean,
like you say, it's probably is safe with a lot
of uber drivers out there on the road today. And
my daughter actually jumped in a taxi in the States
which had no driver and she said it was freaky
for about two minutes and then she got the trust
of it and boom, it was absolutely amazing. And yeah,
(34:25):
so I think it's I think it's good. I mean,
there's three hundred and sixty degree camera's on these things
that looks out all the time. I mean, Mike, if
I hit the white line of my cat, it comes over,
it's right for it.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Actually, here's the thing. I think that there are certain
roads in New Zealand that you can imagine it, you know,
coping quite well down, you know, the Hamilton Auckland Expressway
and all that going over the crime Ees. Not so
sure about that with passing lands. I don't think i'd
trust it with I wouldn't trust it at all, no
matter how many times it demonstrated, because it only needs
(34:58):
to make that one little mistake and that Kenworth truck
coming around that corner there you find yourself in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know, maybe it just needs it On the motorway,
you know, where it's safe as.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Any zeiling conditions. Maybe in certain contexts, but I don't know.
It's a funny one, though, isn't it, Because imagine, just
I'll make up a statistic. Imagine say we all had
self drive cars, and it meant that the road toll
was going to be at least halved, but that every
death was going to be the fault of technology. There's
(35:26):
something about that that people like to think, well, if
there's going to be tragedy, at least it should be
something that's sort of.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Organic control tragedy.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But you know what I mean, it's the idea that
it would be suddenly just a case of oh bad,
like your software didn't quite work out.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I related to that. I sort of wonder what the
insurance implications are if your self drive car has an accident,
Are you still culpable?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Depends on hold your self drive car is if it's
under the age of fifteen, maybe, well it's all that
stuff and it's going to get bonkers. So would I
like a self drive car?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Would I push it?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I think the only time would be to get a
friend to jump in with me and go, hey, check
this out. No hands but then.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Still as it still do I c if you jump
in after the night, because.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You've got to be controlled, because some of the Tisler's
now quite nice.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
If your car could just drive you home after you've
had a couple of pints undred percent, how safe would
that be? Be safe for the driving? That's sure?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Well, look we've really we've really come up with the
answers to this very complex issue.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
He'll be good for hospitality.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'll be brilliant, Yeah, out of a fleet on them.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Hey, by the way, we I did mention just when
somehow the streisand effect came up. And of course Robert
Redford passed away in earlier this week, whose name won't
mean a lot to some of the younger listeners and things,
but actually got I always think sometimes when a famous
star passes away, it's a it's a great opportunity to
go and look at a few of his old films.
But he was what was he Brad pit before Brad
(36:48):
Pitt was Brad Pitt sort of thing? Wasn't he Kyle Well?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
But also amazing legacy. I mean I was I was
listening to a sort of a bit of a bio
on on some on on a podcast I think actually
about him, and it was you know, pointing out that
when he when he won his first Oscar, he didn't
sort of, you know, go off and seek the next
big budget film. Actually he set up the Sundance Film
Festival off the back of the plaudits, and I think,
what an amazing thing. You know, I don't know how
many years it's been going now, but most people have
(37:12):
probably heard of it. An amazing gesture towards the industry.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, and actually he did actually even comic because everyone,
I mean Robert Redford's name was synonymous with the handsome man,
and he said he actually found it was inhibiting because people,
He found it harder for him to take it to
be taken serious as an actor, because everyone just because
he did some serious film films. He did the Watergate
film which was All the President's Men, But of course
Bruce Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is now on my
(37:37):
playlist to bust that one out.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
He was a hunk of a spunk of a man.
I mean seriously, he was a hung and the actresses
who actually acted with him, they were like, you know,
going wow, you know, I want a kissing scene with
this guy. But you've got already think about what they
do leave the legacy and you know the Sundance and
I think this last movie was he was also in
a modern move with the Avengers. The in game. Yeah,
(38:02):
he was an Endgame now yeah, and that's pretty massive too.
So he had a long acting career and I just
tipped my head off to the guy. What a great.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Guy, actually, Mastermark. I didn't actually read. I'd forgotten that
he had founded the sun Dance Film Festival, film Festival,
which is I mean, as you're right, I mean he
created something that's going to live on for a long time.
What are the other movies? The other here's a bit
of trivia. A Bridge too Far? He was on that
mind you there every actor of their day was. I
could never work out why they made a movie about
(38:29):
when the good guys don't win, which is one of
my Have you seen a Bridge Too Far? Spoiler alert?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, title really isn't it. So what are you coming
up on the Nutts Club this weekend? There, Kyle, Ah,
we have got a guest. It's momentarily slipped my mind.
But tomorrow night reminder eleven pm to one am. Hamish
Williams and myself. We'll be talking all things mental health
for a couple of hours and regardless of whether we've
(38:56):
got a guest or not, we welcome you calls and text,
particularly if you've got any questions about mental health. So
we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Good stuff and and Gg's, Yeah, Gg's, we got one
bait for it is on the menu at the moment,
from all the way down from Bluff. Great little white
baits get done. The question you may as white bait
sort of an all what's the is there a season?
There is a season to people still try and provide
them because we can freeze food these days, of course,
and it's bits to have freeze freshy frozen.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You could say, oh, nothing like a good white mate.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But the cheap way is just chatting up at a
bit of fish and putting some black seesamy seeds and
then making normally.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Or just pop along to Gg's, GGS or g.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
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Speaker 3 (39:38):
Anyway, Look, we will look forward to your company guys
another time. Car McDonald and Luke Dallo cheers. Just looking
ahead to the rest of the show. For the one
roof radio show, We're going to be joined shortly by
Debbie Roberts. She's from Property Apprentice, and it's going to
be a we're going to have a look back, so
we can also look forward about the property booms and
who was responsible for them, And that was actually based
(40:00):
on a bit of a talkback argument I had in
the wee small hours of this of the Week Gone.
But also looking also further forward to the parent Squad
where we'll be joined by Google Sutherland and he's a
chief psychologist start Unbro well being and a couple of
things we're going to talk about, but the first one
will be actually helping your kids navigate subject choices, because
(40:23):
it is one of those things that my household has
just suddenly hit that side of things. And then of
course your daughter might only be fourteen years old or thirteen,
or fourteen or fifteen, and they're asking you, you know,
what subject do you need to do? Science? What do
you do? And then all of a sudden, well, I
don't know what I want to do with the rest
of my life. And in fact, I actually remember that
problem myself back in the day. So yes, we'll be
(40:45):
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who was to blame for the properties being out of
reach of first time buyers and investors and all that
(01:23):
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but I thought, actually maybe we should have a look
at what causes property booms, because you know, it's good
to recognize the conditions, so maybe you can anticipate it.
So that'll be the conversation we have with Debbie, and
also talk about interest rates. Are they going to continue
to fall or there's a bit of pressure on the
interest rates to fall even further, But what's going to
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Debbie as well. And after five for the parents squad,
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talking about navigating subject choices for your children because it's
something that hit our house in the last few weeks,
and trying to help them make their decision and whether
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you going?
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Sure, I'm well, thank you excellent?
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You look well, you're looking.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
In fact, we're all in T shirts today.
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It's lovely day up here.
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Speaker 5 (02:43):
That's that cusp of the season where you step outside
and you go jersey. No, yes, maybe try the T
shirt or I think I'm surviving and I think my
next guest is only wearing a T shirt because he
just managed to get dressed and in the door in time.
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interesting job today and my first das spring. He could say,
I defrosted the freezer. Well done by accident, No, no,
by choice, because I was thinking I have done it.
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Speaker 3 (03:25):
But yes, you ran into the building, didn't you? Because
classes are still steamed up. He was running a bit late,
I see. I think he left his phone or or
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Speaker 4 (03:37):
Or he's tied up for our topics to day tim.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Ready to go anyway, Hey, good, good to see you guys.
Now I don't mind telling you. Oh actually, let's start
with some positive news. And I've got an interesting observation
on this as well. Just breck Baton Bouquet in away.
But I thought it was amazing that New Zealand has
won its first ever track gold medal at the World Champs,
(04:03):
because World Champs have been of course, of Peter Snell
was around during the World chance that they were round
while Peter Snell was doing it wouldn't be our first.
But Jeordy Beamish a great result in the three thousand
meters steeplechase and then followed up by Hamish Ker with
the gold medal. And I had a bet with one
of our journalists that one news would not stick it
at the top of the Sports a bulletin and I
was right. It was second behind the netball and the rugby.
(04:25):
So I don't know what that's all about, but amazing result.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Heh luke, what a great race that was because in
the heat he actually tripped up too and.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Got a boot in the face.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean a boot, a light sort of spread shoe,
a little scraping, a little scrapyd a little dust up,
and yeah, I mean what he came he came through
and won, and that's great news. Athletic athletics is great
at the moment, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Actually, did you get the sense that the guy who
he beat it, I think he's Algerian and Moroccan and
I couldn't quite remember, but he's a bit of a legend.
He was sort of going for it down the strait
and I think he thought he had it in the
bag and Beamish just plows up and you can see
him going, whoa, No, maybe he's second guessing he should
have put the hammer on fans this morning. Oh okay,
let's yeah, Well we can talk about that briefly. Anyway,
(05:10):
you into the athletics at all.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I have Tom and I didn't watch either of the
events life, but it did go back and look at them,
so I know we won and it's amazing. And when
you think about those sort of slow motion shots of
you know, if John Walker winning gold and so on, like, yeah,
let's get behind them. I mean, it's pretty phenomenal. And
Hamish care is not. It's not just like he's just
happened to win a gold. He's no best in the
world by a country mile. I mean, got an Olympic
(05:33):
gold indoor gold.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, I think that's the thing. To back up an
Olympic gold. It's not just you know, you put one
amazing performance and then everything felt a bit cee and
the other one actually amazed me. There were no places,
but we have three finalists in the women's pole vault
this little country called New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And two of them are from Takapuna.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Gramma.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I mean three?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
There must be something special going on with the coaching
for pole volt in New Zealand Athletics.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
They're really stepping up, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, you know what I think My favorite finish is.
It's a bit like I love the moment when the
Dutch four x four hundred, four x four hundred relay
women's team in the Olympics where Femke Bowl won when
she was about thirty meters behind with about one hundred
and fifty meters to go. I love it when they
come around the band and there's still a bit again
and you just that's what Jordy Beamish did. It was
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remind me of that it's just moment.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It's such a pure sport, isn't it. I mean, like
a team sport, like football or rugby. You know, there's
a lot of coaching and technology and nutrition, but when
it comes to a foot race, really is just the
fastest person and that could be from anyone.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And that's your own race too. You've got to run
your own race to win it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
What were your sports when you were young, Fellas?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I was a softball player, and a rugby player, and
a tennis player.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Tennis, But what was your top sport? Are we just
a fantastic at all of them?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I'm pretty good at all sports. I get medals all
the time.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Do you ever play for your country?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, I did not. I played for my county, l
for my region. Oh that's pretty good. I was a
Catholic school board champion.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Really not bad. That is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I had a good serve and a good little.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Lob and relationship with the Lord to help you get
over the line on that one.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
What about you, Carl, Rugby? Mostly volleyball, quite liked volleyball.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Tall that was the volleyball.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Who did you play for tech a pinegram? It is
junior level, But then I played rugby, played first fifteen
for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I did volleyball with Western Heights. Okay, we won the
we were national champs. Actually he's Zeeland under eighteen team.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I've always been hopeless at anything, heading a ball with
something hopeless. So yeah, it wasn't much of a summer sportsman.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I think we were. I think I know it's taroing
of boys. That's right, Taro who were our rivals. God
they had some good players as well. Anyway, it's nice
to talk about some good positive stuff before the Look,
I I'm no economist. The GDP drop, I must say,
the economic news always sort of just sort of fudges
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around my brain a little bit, and I'm never really
sure what context to put it in, because it's a
great sport for politicians to play when one can blame
another and who's done that? But I tend to think,
without thinking of any particular era, that usually the Ministry
of Finance is either beneficiary or the scapegoat of good
or bad news, which largely are out of their control.
(08:16):
Because but then again, is it a bad thing that
Nicola Willis has been criticized by Roger Douglas Kyle.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
What's certainly interesting isn't it a friendly fire? I look,
I get a bit frustrated with this, just just purely
from the point of view that, you know, the kinds
of issues that turn up in my consulting room of
people who are actually really struggling, often because of business difficulties,
you know, in the stresses and strains of that. So,
you know, I think what gets really annoying for most
people are seeing the blame game, the back and forth
(08:43):
of who's to blame, and you know, trying to analyze
the numbers and treating it a bit like a sports contest.
For actual it's quite a lot of pain out there, you know,
and we know that people are struggling. The building industry
is kind of wrecked.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Really.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's certainly a great time to get a builder if
you need one. But I'll be interested to hear what
it's like on Fontbe Road. How's HOSPO looking.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, Hosbo's really tight at the moments. The titles I've
seen it in probably twenty years unbelievable. Wow, And I've
never I mean, I've been through the GFC, have been
through a couple of stop you stop breaking drops and
stuff like that, but this has got a long long tail,
But I reckon Willis's I mean, she's tiny up the screws.
And remember economics is a slow race too. You can't
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turn her around at a dime. But she is tinying
up the screws. But the big question is she's focusing
on the right stuff. I mean, I think test cuts
were a big mistake from the government. That's clear.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
We actually now we couldn't afford them, right man, and
hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But you know, yeah, And I mean she's focusing on
the Commerce Commission too, and should she be doing that?
Where I see it as she should be focusing on
getting the economy running well.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Of course, there's pressure on the Reserve Bank to drop
interest rates, you know, a bit further than maybe had
been anticipated now to get more cash into the economy.
But I think I was at a gig where Tony
Alexander was too. It was chatting about it and how
he reckons that the Reserve Bank will always err on
the side of being more cautious with interstraight drops. And
I think he's right, because you know, when they pull
(10:14):
the big levers sometimes, you know, you get a reaction
to the other in the other direction. Which you really
you know, we want to turn around, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I was a talk last week in the Craig of
Vestpans and they reckon it's going to drop another percent
by June next year.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Wow, yeah, that is a hang on.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I've got an idea. Why don't we just ride the
back of a real estate boom, sell our houses to
each other and get lots of foreign investment and then
pretend like everything's fine. Let's work every other time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
We'll charge your houses at five million dollars each.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, why not? That sounds like you want to join
me for the for the one roof radio show and
you're going to stick around next hour? You just ride
shotgun with She'd be like, who's this guy? Carly wanted
to sit in with us? Well, just getting in my
old age actually, because I was trying to actually, no, no,
I'm not going to rob from the next hour because
I could easily go down that that avenue right now.
(11:06):
But look, I'm not surprised. I think it's a tough job,
and I think, look, maybe there are there are things
that people Chris Nicola was talked about cutting the public service,
but that's not going to stimulate the economy. That's just
saving the government's money. So everything's but I mean, she
hasn't cut anything, but we've still got way more public
servants than we had before labor added to them. So
she's talked a big game in that respect, and I
(11:27):
think that's what's probably hoisting her buying potat in some
sort of way that she hasn't been as radical. But
I'm not sure that Roger Douglas having a crack at
you is necessarily the worst thing in the.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
World, would wear it as a bad you'vonitim.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Possibly they would, and we could. That's another discussion for
another time about anyway. M Look, look there is another thing. Listen.
This is a tricky subject and it's a heavy one
because the it's around court orders. And I'll mention why
I think we should have a quick chat about this,
but then move its sideways a bit. So the Tom
(12:02):
Phillips case, there are suppression order is preventing media from
sharing certain information and from conversations I've had with people
who are not connected with the media, the Bush Telegraph
is doing a huge job on spreading word against the
wishes of the court. And okay, I mentioned that as
the reason for it because I don't really want to
(12:22):
go near the subject matter that we're not supposed to
talk about. But I do wonder and look at it
all the time. There have been cases over the last
few years where the court suppress a certain information. But
if there's a certain if there's a case that's out
there that has a lot of public interest in it,
I almost wonder if the court makes itself irrelevant. But
(12:43):
I maybe not just simply saying, look, these are uncomfortable facts.
But aren't we better to get trusted media outlets to
put facts out there rather than the rumor, speculation and
innuendo that we see constantly circling circulating around any major
case of major public interest. What do you reckon, car?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I think it's important to come back to the end
tension of suppression orders in general, which is to protect
those who have been victimized by a crime in some fashion.
So I mean to go sideways to a different example.
If we think about sexual violence, which is an area
that I do a lot of work in therapeutically, I
think the important thing actually comes down to choice for
the person who is being protected and recognizing that actually
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the safety of the victim is paramount. So there's been
some recent changes, for instance, where a victim of a
sexual abuse crime or sexual violence can choose to have
their protection.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Lifted because the ration you couldn't could.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Absolutely, because the rationale of name suppression is not to
protect the person who is guilty, but to protect the victim. Right,
So if the victim says, hey, I'm fine speaking publicly,
then the suppression should be lifted. It's difficult if people
are under age, because there's a duty of care to
protect people. But I think that's the rationale. The problem
is social media, right, and the ease of being information around.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Absolutely, And I.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Think that's the challenge for the courts going ahead is
when is when the cases and the Mara copy case
in particular has been massive. I mean all the media
outlets have been overwhelmed by the number of people clicking
on stories and things. But I think that it almost
there is a separate situation where they just have to
consider maybe the safe dissemination of accurate information. Because I
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also think that the public and New Zealand would be
very sympathetic to the kids and everything that's happened around
that Phillips family.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
What do you reckon I think we need to protect
the kids, for sure. But it raises a point of
what's better idle gossip or just the plain facts. Knock
it out, whip it out, get the playing facts out there,
move on, rather than people talking talking, talking, extrapolating the
truth X y Z where I mean. I mean, I'm
(14:50):
hearing on the street. I hear in the restaurants, here
at the bars, are here at the sushi shop, you know,
and you know I hear it everywhere. But the thing
is it should just just get it out, rip the
bandage of move on.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, it is a difficult one anyway.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I thought it destroys in effect, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I mean, that's well, that's exactly it.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You know that once you actually make something forbidden, it
becomes more interesting. The case being Barbara Streisan trying to
suppress something about herself. I can't tell you I wanted
to know.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You can't remember what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I know no what it was. Literally, I don't know
how many times I talk about this, because it came
up again because Barbara Streisand was in the way we
were with Robert Redford and who passed away last week.
I think still I look at him and go, God,
what a good looking guy he was. But no, the
Straisand effect is there was a coastal survey, California coastal survey.
(15:38):
People have listened to me on overnights, have heard me
talk about this a few times. And there were fourteen
thousand photos taken to document California's coastal erosion and everything.
And so it just took a bunch of photos. And
one of the photos seven eight five one three I
think I even know the number was Barbara Streisand's house.
And she didn't want that photo published. So it had
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been viewed fourteen times or no, what maybe it is
even less than that. When she took the department to
court to suppress it, to withdraw it, and as a
result of her suing, in the month that followed, there
were four hundred and forty thousand downloads of that image
and then it just went nuts because and up till
that point there are only fourteen, half of which were
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her legal team. But by the way, go and check
it out on Wikipedia, because if there was ever a
house I wanted, it would be Barbers Streisand house on
the coast of California, of course it is gorgeous. There
we go. That's a strides and effect everyone, Thank you
very much, at no extra cost.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Thanks too much.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Anyway, Hey tell you what We need to take a break.
We kind of come back and have a bit of
a chat about Eden Park and Nimby's and Chris Bishop
and predetermined and all that sort of stuff for more
events at Eden Park. We'll have a look at that
in just a moment. It's twenty three past three. Yes,
welcome back to our panel. Luke Dello and car McDonald
are my guests today. And guys, the Eden Park restrictions
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are going to be reviewed, and Chris Bishop has basically
said that the current restrictions are absurd and arbitrary, but
he's also adamant his review will be fair to both sides.
I'm not quite convinced because he's spoken out fairly clearly
about how he said and one thing either ridiculous, they' absurd.
We're going to get it cracking. We're going to do
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all this, but I need to follow a process statutorily,
I'm going to be fair. I'm not sure both can
be true. Luke, what do you think do you think
that is going to be a fair review of should
what events should be allowed, what increase It's.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Definitely not going to be a fair review. I think
any Part is one of our most valuable assets and
we need to use it to our potential because in
the past it's made losses and the Augan Council or
ratepayers have actually tipped more money into it to get
it living again. So I just think we just need
more concerts, more events, maybe triple it and give it
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a good crack. I mean, look, hey, no one's complaining
about the art, are they.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
No? I don't think so, but why would they complain?
Where is it? Is it?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Is it inside?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Though?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So it's not.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Actually I think it's on the field.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Now I think it's inside, but I'm not sure. We're
maybe a few sculptures probably incompatible, but a bit.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Less yelling at a nut show, I would suggest.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
What will you see a bit of that? Woo?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
What do you reckon? Ki? Look?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I love Eden Park. I was a member with my
dad from two thousand and four to twenty twenty. Has
spent a lot of time watching watching the All Blacks,
watching rugby, watching the Blues lose for about forty years
in a row, and I just think what's been frustrating
for me over the years is I was listening to,
you know, the pie in the sky ideas of building
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another stadium, which frankly, we just don't have the money
or resources in the country right now. We've got much
higher priorities and spending billions on the stadium but not
allowing Eden Park to actually make the money that it
needs to make itself better. And so I'm all for
the changes, you know, in particular very much looking forward
to going and watching Metallica at full volume on a
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Wednesday night or just down the road from my house.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know, I was going to joke and say, you
call yourself a Christian, but you probably don't.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's not really love with that neighbor.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
But look, Eaton Park was there when you moved in.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
In two thousand and five, we bought a house in
Western Springs, which was we could hear the speedway every
time it started up. And this was a similar argument
about the speedway, and I just thought, I'm not a
speedway guy. It's a pain in the bum, especially when
you've got a baby. But you know what, they're having fun.
And we bought the house here knowing it was there.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I think that there's that's a point. Up to a point,
it's because when you move it was a rugby venue,
a lot of people bought it. It was a rugby venue,
there'd be mostly daytime matches, then it became nighttime, so
an increasing a change in the use is something that
I think you were entitled to have your views heard.
And my only concern about it is the conversation has
been genuinely so contemptuous towards those people who don't want
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too much of a change there that I think it's
become a bit of a pylon. And I just I
think it's worth just at least saying it is still
a residential area. People are still entitled to some reasonable
enjoyment of their peace and quiet. Up to a point,
I think that you're right, it probably is ridiculous some
of the restrictions on events. But I just think that
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some people are arguing basically their attitudes are that the
residents can get stuffed, and I think they still have
to find a reasonable way through. And here's the problem
is that regardless of what happens with the decision, Chris
Bishop is going to be up for a judicial review
because he's expressed his personal thoughts way too strongly for
anyone to think that there was ever going to be
a fair process. You can call it a fair process,
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but when you say I've got to go through this process,
it's a bit like I've got to write a few
things down on paper even though I've made up my mind,
and that's my I think he's made it. He's made
a problem for himself, don't you think.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Carl Well, I mean, I do agree with what you're saying.
There does need to be a process. I think the
problem in the past is that the way in which
the RMA has been able to be weaponized by people
who object to things means that it isn't a process either.
You can actually just block something.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
And why doesn't need to have a process.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
At a democracy?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I know it's a democracy. Why it's the I mean,
why why does that? Why can't they aunt concert of
tool can go into the end say look and put
a resource concent.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well, okay, here's a process. By that you'd say, let's
have a concert that starts at one am. Well, if
you don't have a process, then you just do what
you want. I agree, Yes, Oh, I won another victory
at Eden Park.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Undefeated.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Anyway, moving on to the freedom of speech thing Jimmy Kimmel.
Now that look the events in the UK where Jimmy
Kimmel was pulled off air, and definitely after comments he
made about the shooting of Charlie Kirk, which actually wasn't
so much. It wasn't actually about Charlie Kirk himself. It
was just about him saying that that the right wing
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was trying to, you know, do it all it could
to make sure it distanced him from the MAGA movement,
which didn't seem he was part of. And yet and
then there was a threat from I think one of
the commissioners around the ABC and all that, and all
of a sudden, Jimmy Kimmel has been pulled off here.
And I do think that America has got some big
(22:28):
problems Kyle, when it comes to the partisanship determining issues,
not on whether the issue should be decided a certain
way because of simple principles and philosophy and moral value,
but just on whose side you're on.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Oh well, not even that, just down to the whims
of the great leader. I mean, it's actually quite terrifying
to me. You know, I sometimes struggle with where that
line is for free speech. But I think the point
is that we struggle with it, not that we make
an autocratic decision about who gets to say what on television.
I mean the idea of you know, it's ludicrous to
(23:01):
even say it, actually, but the idea of Christopher Laxen
deciding that newstalksz B can't he a particular point of
view in this country would just be so outrageous to
people with That's effectively what has happened in the un It's.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Effectively like him saying he's going to have a chat
with the I'm not sure what body it is decides
who has what frequencies about pulling our access to certain frequencies.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Were rend us, we would all be.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Outraged, I think, regardless of whether you love or hate
the station.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And actually comedy has a huge part to play in
the media and you know, satirizing power, and it's no
surprise that they're going after them effectively first with the
Tonight Show. And I hope John Stewart stays on here.
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yes, did you see the video after he said that
about Trump being interviewed Trump, and Trump go, you know,
what do you think about the xboy ZN And Trump goes, Oh,
I'm very sad about it, but look at my construction
over here. Oh exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I mean we was asked about the death of Charlie
Kirk conscience and he literally just went, oh yeah, And
by the way, I've got something else I want to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But I think freedom of speech is getting worse. Actually,
I think even talking publicly about your opinion, you're either
going to hated take it all Facebook, you know, or discrutinized.
But why can't you have an opinion? Can't you have
an opinion? I mean it creates discussion, it opens up
ideas and engages people. And I just feel that you've
(24:14):
got to watch what you say to some people. And
I'm just talking publicly here, yeah, because you just have
this oh I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Like cancel culture and yeah. Look, I don't think we've
got the same problems here quite that they have in America.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I think we're we're doing pretty well on the old
freedom side.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Tim.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I think we're you know, when you look around the
world and New Zealand, Australia, you know, parts of Western Europe,
but possibly you know the UK struggling with this in
a similar kind of way to Trump. Actually, so long
way week, stay free to express ourselves.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
In express It's pleased to see that what was he
suing The New York Times for fifteen billion dollars because
it wrote a couple of articles that weren't you know,
he didn't like much. It's been thrown out, so at
least the courts so far have manished, and it's been
interesting to see what happens with this tariffs of course,
but oh well, anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
How many more years ago them?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
A couple too many probably, But anyway, hold your texts
on the Trump derangements syndrome.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
People.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
You should be all defending people's rights to say. I mean,
what's the famous quote, I may disagree with what you
say about defend to the death, you're right to say it,
et cetera. I can't remember who that was, but it's
some famous person. Anyway. Ah, speaking of the restrictions you
do have on certain speech, is you you're not free
(25:33):
to defame people. And this story about Bridget Macron, the
wife of French President Emmanuel Macron, where Candace Owens, who's
been fanning this, it's just this bizarre conspiracy that Brigitte
Macron was born male and she's banging on about it
for ages, and now the Macrons are going to actually
(25:56):
present scientific evidence and that way people who say are
explaining is losing and all this sort of stuff. But
they must have just had a guts full about about this.
Luke and Candae ogns she must be.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I mean, what sort of is she?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Stupid? Bigoted, misinformed, ignorant e all of the above. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
She's no oil painting, but I mean she's had, she's
had all.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You'll be canceled kind But are we talking about canvae?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
No? Yeah, she's not all painting. But she said to kids,
is she she? Why are we talking about this?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Well, it's because finally while they.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Are up it's one of those weird things where the
dark side of the Internet kind of bubbles up to
the surface. There was all there's a there's a sort
of a conspiracy that runs around the edges of things
that you know, the sort of that that there's a
whole bunch of secret change transgender people that have been
trying to take overy there. Well, there's similar theories about
Justinder Dun and various other female leaders through COVID as well.
It's quite mad, and I think I can say that,
(27:04):
but it's I just feel for the macrons. I mean,
what an awful thing to have to defend yourself against it.
And really it is just an attempt to, you know,
to again break the information machine. You know that here
or here we are dealing with clear misinformation.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Defending it, why just just just get it away, move away,
forget about it, put a bleak.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean, I guess I sometimes do wonder, you know,
when you see something that is so obviously nonsense. Yeah,
and yet there is still a proportion of the population
who cling to a certain belief. I mean, there's probably
a whole lot of things I could say what should
get me canceled just about. But it does amaze me
at the human brain's capacity to to believe absolute bollocks. Yeah,
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and so you know what, I hope that they I
hope that they win in a substantial award of damages
that makes people think twice before they spread the sort
of nonsense. They who's going to pay those damages? Well,
that's I think candas zones are supposed to pay them.
So just wait and see what happens on that one anyway, Hey,
look we need to take a moment. We'll be bad.
This is the panel on where the weekend collective. It
(28:07):
is twenty two minutes to four news talks. He'd b yes,
news talk zed be welcome back now. Actually now that
there was something else on the political front, which was
a strange sort of owned goal by a health news
in which looks like they're going to reverse it was
that the changes that were being made to they were
planning on having changes to allow twenty four to seven
(28:28):
access to patients were appropriate, which sounded I think it
was a bit like happening the floodgates, that the awards
were going to be having family members turn up all
the time, and it turns out I think it's going
to get reversed that. But it's funny. I wonder how
these decisions end up getting made, because I've known plenty
of people who've needed, you know, being in hospital or
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something serious and the staff there allows someone to look,
you know, to be with them twenty four to seven.
So I don't know why they had to come up
with a specific policy which looked like anyone could was
entitled to go and visiting any time. What do you
what did you make of it?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Cahm.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Look, I think one of the more cynical views on
this was actually it was about enabling family to be
present more to actually help with the care of patients
as well. Now that might sound really cynical, but we
see this in mental health. You know that an underresourced
mental health system will often actually put a lot of
pressure on families to be able to support people when
they actually need the support of professionals. And no criticism
(29:24):
of the professionals, We're talking about a system that's really
really heavily under resource. So my concern with this was Ga,
what we're seeing here actually that they can't actually find
or employer or afford enough healthcare assistant, so they're needing
the family to come in and help with sort of
basic cares.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, what did you make of it?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Luke? I personally I'm on for visiting ours, you know,
restricting them. And the reason is is one is pressure
on the nurses and the healthcare. The second is you're
there to rest up. You're there to actually just look
at you know, get well, rather than talking to twenty
far now with some KFC type situation. But I'm all
(30:02):
about this heavy rest hea hours in and out, bang
move on, rather than not twenty four seven, because I mean,
you're not going to be there at two in the morning,
are you.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And as you say to it, I mean, what the
thing is if someone is you know, palliative, if they're
at the end of their life, or there is you know,
a clear reason why professionals have the ability to make
discretion calls in those situations, and they do.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Actually, I mean I've had to visit people in hospital
at various times, and There've been the odd time when
I've turned up and I've been a little outside the
hours and just say and I go up to reception
and just say, look, I'm just here. I don't know
if I can come and see such and such would
that be okay? And they might phone up to the
ward and there's always just a generally common sense, humor
humane approach to it. Yes, of course, you know, come
(30:43):
on up and you yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I mean as opposed to just twenty people with a
box of beers, it might be a different story.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Well, which you know, when you say twenty four to seven,
I know they did say it was going to be
subject to we're appropriate.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
But the other thing is thinking about other patients. I mean,
if you're in a room before, that's right, you know
everyone but you as having visitors at ten o'clock and no,
that's a bit rough.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Exactly can we borrow a couple of visitors please?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, I mean some people are like twenty four to
seven access to events at Eden Park anyway. Actually, I'm
just by the way, I'm just going to address there's
been a bunch of texts that come through. And it
always happens when we discuss free speech issues and Trump
and things like that, that people go, oh, listen to
this bunch of lefties on such and such a panel,
as if, as if an issue around free speech and
(31:28):
Trump and all that sort of stuff is a right
and left issue. I should point out that I'm I mean,
people might disagree with us. I'm fairly I'm senter right.
I guess Luke is to the right of Genghis Khan
and Carl's to the left of I don't know who.
But I just thought i'd mention it because this is
(31:51):
the one thing the things that frustrates it's the tribal
gets back to what we're talking about, the tribal nature
of politics that if you say anything. You know, if
Trump was to say that the sky was purple or
something and you said, well, he's an idiot for because
of course it's not. The people go oh no, you
know you must be a real lefting and Trump drain
for syndrome. It's like, no, I'm just interested in the facts.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
So there is such a thing as fact still.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, Fleets, Yes, sorry, I thought we misheard you for
a second there. Luke tell you what. We will take
a break and we'll be back in just a moment.
It is quarter to four news Talk, said b Yes,
welcome back to Paddel Car MacDonald and Luke Dello are
my guests today. Hey guys, this thing about it's a
bigger question around the whole self drive because Tesla's self
(32:38):
driving technology has arrived in New Zealand and Australia and
it's marking the first time that there's a right hand
version of what's been launched across the globe. And so
I guess just quickly, the question is would you trust
a self drive car yourself? And what do you think?
You know? You would you be comfortable with other people
(33:00):
driving self drive cars? Would we trust those self drive
cars more than we would with someone who's trying to
drive their car and checking their email at the same time.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Car as someone who drives in Auckland. I think I
probably trust some cars to drive themselves better than some
of the people seem to drive the cars. But have
you have You've driven a car, one of a really
modern vehicle with all of the auto following and laying things,
and it's like like you can just about take your
hands off the wheel and it sort of drives itself.
But I actually find it quite It takes quite a
(33:28):
bit of getting used to because it feels like actually
something else is happening that you're not quite in control of.
So I actually imagine it'd be quite frightening to actually
take your hands off the wedding that it drive itself,
because it.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Seems it's intended to be used only with a fully
intentive driver.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I mean, well, you only have to look cheap to
see what people get up to with self drive cars
in the US.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Really, have you been spending time what particular website? Is
that car? Not safe for work?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Luke?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I'm talking you know, making cup of coffee, maybe a
bit of knitting, sort of reading your book. Yeah, family friendly.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I'm all force, you know, all for it, because I mean,
like you say, it's probably is safe with a lot
of uber drivers out there on the road today. And
my daughter actually jumped in a taxi in the States
which had no driver and she said it was freaky
for about two minutes and then she got the trust
of it and boom, it was absolutely amazing. And yeah,
(34:25):
so I think it's I think it's good. I mean,
there's three hundred and sixty degree camera's on these things
that looks out all the time. I mean, Mike, if
I hit the white line of my cat, it comes over,
it's right for it.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Actually, here's the thing. I think that there are certain
roads in New Zealand that you can imagine it, you know,
coping quite well down, you know, the Hamilton Auckland Expressway
and all that going over the crime Ees. Not so
sure about that with passing lands. I don't think i'd
trust it with I wouldn't trust it at all, no
matter how many times it demonstrated, because it only needs
(34:58):
to make that one little mistake and that Kenworth truck
coming around that corner there you find yourself in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know, maybe it just needs it On the motorway,
you know, where it's safe as.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Any zeiling conditions. Maybe in certain contexts, but I don't know.
It's a funny one, though, isn't it, Because imagine, just
I'll make up a statistic. Imagine say we all had
self drive cars, and it meant that the road toll
was going to be at least halved, but that every
death was going to be the fault of technology. There's
(35:26):
something about that that people like to think, well, if
there's going to be tragedy, at least it should be
something that's sort of.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Organic control tragedy.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But you know what I mean, it's the idea that
it would be suddenly just a case of oh bad,
like your software didn't quite work out.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I related to that. I sort of wonder what the
insurance implications are if your self drive car has an accident,
Are you still culpable?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Depends on hold your self drive car is if it's
under the age of fifteen, maybe, well it's all that
stuff and it's going to get bonkers. So would I
like a self drive car?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Would I push it?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I think the only time would be to get a
friend to jump in with me and go, hey, check
this out. No hands but then.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Still as it still do I c if you jump
in after the night, because.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You've got to be controlled, because some of the Tisler's
now quite nice.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
If your car could just drive you home after you've
had a couple of pints undred percent, how safe would
that be? Be safe for the driving? That's sure?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Well, look we've really we've really come up with the
answers to this very complex issue.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
He'll be good for hospitality.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'll be brilliant, Yeah, out of a fleet on them.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Hey, by the way, we I did mention just when
somehow the streisand effect came up. And of course Robert
Redford passed away in earlier this week, whose name won't
mean a lot to some of the younger listeners and things,
but actually got I always think sometimes when a famous
star passes away, it's a it's a great opportunity to
go and look at a few of his old films.
But he was what was he Brad pit before Brad
(36:48):
Pitt was Brad Pitt sort of thing? Wasn't he Kyle Well?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
But also amazing legacy. I mean I was I was
listening to a sort of a bit of a bio
on on some on on a podcast I think actually
about him, and it was you know, pointing out that
when he when he won his first Oscar, he didn't
sort of, you know, go off and seek the next
big budget film. Actually he set up the Sundance Film
Festival off the back of the plaudits, and I think,
what an amazing thing. You know, I don't know how
many years it's been going now, but most people have
(37:12):
probably heard of it. An amazing gesture towards the industry.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, and actually he did actually even comic because everyone,
I mean Robert Redford's name was synonymous with the handsome man,
and he said he actually found it was inhibiting because people,
He found it harder for him to take it to
be taken serious as an actor, because everyone just because
he did some serious film films. He did the Watergate
film which was All the President's Men, But of course
Bruce Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is now on my
(37:37):
playlist to bust that one out.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
He was a hunk of a spunk of a man.
I mean seriously, he was a hung and the actresses
who actually acted with him, they were like, you know,
going wow, you know, I want a kissing scene with
this guy. But you've got already think about what they
do leave the legacy and you know the Sundance and
I think this last movie was he was also in
a modern move with the Avengers. The in game. Yeah,
(38:02):
he was an Endgame now yeah, and that's pretty massive too.
So he had a long acting career and I just
tipped my head off to the guy. What a great.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Guy, actually, Mastermark. I didn't actually read. I'd forgotten that
he had founded the sun Dance Film Festival, film Festival,
which is I mean, as you're right, I mean he
created something that's going to live on for a long time.
What are the other movies? The other here's a bit
of trivia. A Bridge too Far? He was on that
mind you there every actor of their day was. I
could never work out why they made a movie about
(38:29):
when the good guys don't win, which is one of
my Have you seen a Bridge Too Far? Spoiler alert?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, title really isn't it. So what are you coming
up on the Nutts Club this weekend? There, Kyle, Ah,
we have got a guest. It's momentarily slipped my mind.
But tomorrow night reminder eleven pm to one am. Hamish
Williams and myself. We'll be talking all things mental health
for a couple of hours and regardless of whether we've
(38:56):
got a guest or not, we welcome you calls and text,
particularly if you've got any questions about mental health. So
we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Good stuff and and Gg's, Yeah, Gg's, we got one
bait for it is on the menu at the moment,
from all the way down from Bluff. Great little white
baits get done. The question you may as white bait
sort of an all what's the is there a season?
There is a season to people still try and provide
them because we can freeze food these days, of course,
and it's bits to have freeze freshy frozen.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You could say, oh, nothing like a good white mate.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But the cheap way is just chatting up at a
bit of fish and putting some black seesamy seeds and
then making normally.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Or just pop along to Gg's, GGS or g.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
G G not.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Anyway, Look, we will look forward to your company guys
another time. Car McDonald and Luke Dallo cheers. Just looking
ahead to the rest of the show. For the one
roof radio show, We're going to be joined shortly by
Debbie Roberts. She's from Property Apprentice, and it's going to
be a we're going to have a look back, so
we can also look forward about the property booms and
who was responsible for them, And that was actually based
(40:00):
on a bit of a talkback argument I had in
the wee small hours of this of the Week Gone.
But also looking also further forward to the parent Squad
where we'll be joined by Google Sutherland and he's a
chief psychologist start Unbro well being and a couple of
things we're going to talk about, but the first one
will be actually helping your kids navigate subject choices, because
(40:23):
it is one of those things that my household has
just suddenly hit that side of things. And then of
course your daughter might only be fourteen years old or thirteen,
or fourteen or fifteen, and they're asking you, you know,
what subject do you need to do? Science? What do
you do? And then all of a sudden, well, I
don't know what I want to do with the rest
of my life. And in fact, I actually remember that
problem myself back in the day. So yes, we'll be
(40:45):
looking forward to you calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. We can text you can text also on
nine to nine two For
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