June 15, 2024 • 40 mins
The government is scrapping lower road speed limits by July 2025, as we go up to 120km, new laws to allow Australian workers to ignore calls outside work hours could be introduced, so should NZ adopt the same rule, and is tasering a pitch invader at a sports game too far or does it send the right message to potential trouble makers. Join me, Jo McCarroll & Mark Crysell as we wrap the week on The Panel.
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first one he is. He is the Silver Fox himself.
He's a man of many hats. As you know, he's
been a journalist, a career of fencer. I wanted to
throw in there that had been an erotic dancer, but
I couldn't find anything to back it up. But quite frankly,
there's nothing that he can't do. And it's Mark Kreisel.
Good day, Mark, how are you going?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We'll just push I'm more of a neurotic dancer.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Okay, well close just so quickly. It sounds exciting anyway.
And my next panelist is editor of the New Zealand's
most well known gardening magazine, New Zealand Gardener. And when
she's not with us, you can catch her in a
happy place pulling out weeds. And it's Joe McCarroll. High Joe.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
In my happiest place, there would be no weeds.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It would be done. All the weeding would be done.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Now, do you do you have any fancy devices?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I saw at the knee washy right hand knee washe
because I'm right handed?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Nee?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
What knee washy little Japanese weading tool recommend If you
haven't got.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
One, you just stick it and twist it and pull
it out.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's like that sort of yeah, but it's sort is
you get under get the whole root ball out of
the weeds.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Okay, yeah, because I've had a few things throw up
in my in my Twitter feed or something, this advert
for this stick your stick in the ground and it
seems to pull up these weeds with very large roots. Anyway,
that's them commercial mark, you pass on any of that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm just riding as fast as furiously as I can.
You're the man you seem to be going on.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Of course, you know, we know what's we have a
rough idea what's going on at tv INS or do
we have a rough idea what's going on to T
means yet? But you I guess at some stage at
least you can take that bucket list of what it's
like to be on gardening leave a life goal for
me being on gardening leave.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Actually interesting backstory. Before I started editing New Zealand Gardener,
I was put on Gardening Leaf. Why because another magazine? Yeah,
and so when I resigned from that mag they said
you don't have to okay you noticed, you can go
on gardening leave and I thought, well that's good because
I'm going to edit New Zealand Gardener.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Wow three months how appropriate? Hey, so what is going on?
So what happened is.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I mean it's out in the public now. I guess
they can talk about it. That there was a TV
and Z failed to comply with a clause in our collective,
which meant that they were meant to consult with us
as we went through our you know, the process of
losing our jobs, and the Employment Relations Authority and the
Employment Court found that that didn't happen, and they ordered
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TV and Z to comply, which meant we were no
longer dismissed, which means we basically start all over again.
So we're going through meetings and consulting on how we
might be able to help the companies.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Say, are you going to meetings or just going to
your local going to meetings?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, no, I'm doing the meetings. We're going through the
whole process, and then that could go for a number
of weeks, could go.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
For a very stressful time. But may I say, you
are looking somehow, You're looking just relaxed. And he's looking good,
doesn't need Joe. Yeah, and you're looking fantastic too. Oh
what a good look your hairstyle. I mean, like it's
only radio unfortunately, so these comics are wasted in the audience. Yeah, no,
I feeling good.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I mean it's a it's a weird place to be
and it's a weird kind of limbo. And I really
miss being a storyteller and telling stories. I have to
say that that's a bit tough for me. But you know,
we'll just go through the stage and see what comes next. Yep,
you never know, never know what's around there, and just
open up the text line. If anybody's got any jobs, yeah,
(05:39):
text nineteen nine two. If you've got a job for
Mark as actually career, yes, oh.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Eurotic anything that ends in tick. Hey, look, let's get
onto the let's get onto the topics for today. Now,
all speed limit reductions introduced since twenty twenty on local
streets and outside schools are likely to be scrapped or well,
I think there's going to be a few changes. I
wasn't this one that there might even be speeds of
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one hundred and twenty kilometers an hour introduced on roads
of national significance. So anyway, what do you make of this?
We'll go with you first, Mark.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I don't know, mate. I think the thing is
at lower speeds means fewer people die. I mean, that's
why they came in in the first place. I used
to live in Germany and on the auto barns there
are some stretches of water barn there is no speed limit.
Now you can drive as fast as you like, which
is amazing if you've got those amazing cars that they have,
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until you have an accident and then you pretty much die.
So every time the speed limit goes up, more people
die in accidents.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So I think there's got to be a happy meeting, though,
doesn't there because, for instance, who drives thirty kilometers an
hour around Auckland, CBD unless the traffic is demanding that.
I had a police officer pass me not flat lights flashing.
I was going about forty probably and he was definitely
doing fifty. I was like, these speed limits, some of
them are they are nonsense, something they don't even think.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Around where I live, the speed limits were brought down,
and I've got to say I'm really pro that because
people used to use the street that we live on
as a little you know, shortcut from one main street
to another and come down it way too fast. And
I've seen numerous times people have come a cropper, you
know what.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Speed were they've been doing that or they exceeding in
the normal limit anyone.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
They would have been doing sort of sixty seventy along
a little suburban street. And they've brought it down and
now they go slower, and I'm quite pro. I mean,
I'm not a fan of pointless speed limits that achieve nothing,
but I don't understand how you can just increase the road.
You can just increase the speed limit without changing the
road in any way, and consider that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is well, I mean it's putting it back to what
it was before. So the road was if you've had
a fifty K limit or one hundred K limit that
and it's gone down it was one hundred k, you
know what I mean. They haven't popped it up, except
for obviously these new roads where like the expressways, where
they think, well, actually this road's built for hundred and
twenty K.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If it's one hundred, and you know it's normally if
it's one hundred, people go one hundred and ten. If
it's fifty, they do sixty. I mean, that's just the
reality of it, and people try, you know, take their
chances there.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'm with Joe. Our street.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We get people whipping down there at fifty k's, we've
got kids walking across the street. We've got all that
kind of thing drives me nuts.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, mid way, what's the limit on your road anyway?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Will it be around thirty or forty? I would imagine
it's a in an Auckland street.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And it's only CBD. I think that's down to thirty.
I think you probably find the limit is fifty. Probably.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, well that's too fast. That is way too fast
in our street. And also I see the ministers saying
things like which I think is absolute nonsense. We'll ask
the public if they think that's a reasonable speed. Well,
that's just ridiculous. I mean, people want to go faster
all the time. It doesn't you know, all New Zealanders
think they're good drives.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I don't know if it will might say public and
you have a conservative approach to it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But not a speed little They're there for a good reason, yeah,
but I'm not sure the engineering reason.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, I think, well, the engineering of the roads. For instance,
say okay, let's put the engineering of the some of
those new roads is one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Then we should be signed.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
But we should be okay with one hundred and twenty,
then should we?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Well, I think when you've got a road that is
designed for a higher speed, I don't have a problem
with the highest speed. I think if everyone could travel safely.
But the speeds that you're saying, Tim, that we're going
back to, they were just applied in the most random
ad hoc fashion. Back in the day people were putting
one hundred. Yeah, that looks about one hundred, you know,
that looks about.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I think don't know if they were totally phillo ste
it was like all stayed highways were one hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And I think roads do not allow that. They do
not allow you to travel at one hundred safely. And
I also think, and I know people get so hot
under the collar about not being able to drive as
fast as they want the whole time. But I mean,
if you go eighty or if you go one hundred,
the difference it makes in your journey of most the
average time of a journey, which is not more than
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an hour, I'd say it's.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Much eighty to me feels pretty pedestrian. To be honest,
I'm all in favor of it. I think I think
you could see that now that I am. I mean,
for instance, I mean, I agree, slow down outside schools,
but when they say the speed limit outside of school
at ten o'clock at night, there's got to be thirty
kilometers an hour, it's sort of like, well, that does
it just seems that there's room for a happy medium,
and he wants to protect well yea, as I say,
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of course, you're not going to have it. You don't
more people die if the speed limits are higher. Are
you happy with that? Well, I think that life is
risky anyway. If you want, you are happy. If you
want to follow that argument, Mark, then everyone should drive
fifty kilometers an hour on the open road. Good luck
driving faster than that in Auckland anyway. No, no, no,
But I mean if you want to take that argument,
then you can argue for just repressing us. Also, whether
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we're trying to remove all the risk of life, I
think that there is. We're ignoring the fact that one
of the major causes of deaths on the road is
drug driving, drink driving and getting known at speed and
get off that bloody phone. I think if you want
to say, let's find people a thousand bucks from being
caught on their phone, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, I'm fine with that too. But speed is definitely
one of those factors as well.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I think it's a combination of speed, road design out
the old age of our fleet of cars. But also
I would say New Zealanders are often incredibly aggressive drivers.
That makes it more dangerous for everyone.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Well, you could argue before we move on, you could
argue that not that that having these having slightly overly
conservative limits leads to frustration in its own way. Maybe
I don't know. Look, look enforce the limits. Get on.
I think when you get overtaken by someone on the
on there on the inside, on one of your things, bicycle.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'd like to say I couldn't agree with you. More
about the phone thing, I'd like to see the minute
you call on your phone, your phone is confiscated.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, your car is confiscated.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yes, make me prime minister now in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Okay, Well, speaking of consequences for things, Maureen Pew the
allegia assault during that anti mining protest in Tarcica. So
she turned up for a community board meeting. It sounds
like quite a benign sort of thing anyway, there are
a lot of protesters there, so we've thrown this one
as an extra bit. She was pushed by a man,
physically accosted her, pushed a placard into her chest, and
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I guess the question is she was technically assaulted. It
seems to me that with the posey Parker sort of thing,
and we've seen it going back in time, dildo's being
thrown mud and all that sort of stuff. I actually
think that when it comes to public public meetings and politicians,
I think that if you apply even a minor assault,
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charged them because I think that getting to the stage
ye where people feel that there's no consequence. And we
had a seventy year old one year old woman violently
assaulted and he got discharged with that conviction. They should
have charged this guy because more MP and anyone like
her Green National whatever party, they should be able to
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attend meetings and not have dickheads making life unpleasant.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And I actually think, I know a lot of people
will say, oh, you know, alleged assault, you know, and
I actually think that sounds really quite frightening.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Would have you seen the video of it? No, I've
only seen footage of it to her cut same thing. No, sorry,
I mean sorry, no photos.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yes, so her car was surrounded by a whole lot
of people, and I think she would have felt really
threatened and frightened. There she's Intarctica, that's a Green stronghold anyways,
she's outside of safety zone.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So I think, yeah, definitely, I will.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's not a political issue. I think we are so
lucky that our politicians can still come in front us
and come to community meetings and meet directly with the public.
That is an incredibly valuable thing. And I don't want
to see us in a situation where they just stay
in their office and you know, put up the odd
Facebook live. We're losing something if that happens. I agree
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with you, Tim, I think this is something that should
be taken incredibly seriously because of where it was happening.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Actually, funny thing is, isn't it. I love that the
reporting of it seemed to say it was pushed with
a placardist I was just a bit of cardboard. Take
that placard away, that man has placed his hands on
her and pushed her, and I'm thinking, actually, funny thing
is it's almost like the placard was made. It not
so bad. I'm sorry. I think the police made a
mistake charge and let the judge deal with it. Let
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the judge let him off. I guess.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Take it as as seriously as it should be taken.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I think things have got have got out of hand
quite a bit. You know after COVID there were the
threats of course to the Prome Minister just into adourn
at the time, James Shaw was punched in the face,
literally punched in the face, just.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Walking to work. And do we know what happened with that?
I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, the guy was charged and got pretty sure he
was convicted. I and then a wet bus ticket naughty
to do it again? Yeah, but you know that was
that was an actual literally in your face as sold.
So I think the whole public discourse is getting angrier
and angrier. People under stress, there's a recession on. People
have feel poorer and are really struggling, and this is
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what you start to see when these things happen. Also,
I think this government has changed so many things, and
particularly people in a green area would feel particularly agreed.
They always feel like they're fighting to save the will.
I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not saying it's okay,
but I'm just saying this is the environment.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I would say it's an immensely stressful environment that people
are operating in right now, but people have operated in
far more stressful environments. That is not acceptable behavior. I
think we are seeing a breakdown in simply a social contract.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I was thinking that there's been so many things over
the years. There's COVID and and then there's been the
you know, the weather events, and now we're in a
recession and people are losing their jobs. That these things
just get layered on top of each other to a
point where people are starting to break and we're starting
to see real breakdown in civil discorsis can I.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Really challenge that. I think humanity has been through far
more stressful events and numerous stressful events at the same time,
and people have responded to it by supporting each other
and rallying together. And I think it is it is
depressing that we say, oh, well, people are under all
this stress. I understand, well, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And no Joe, but also you know, I mean if
you look at moments in history, you know, particularly you
think around the thirties in Europe when there were big
depressions and recessions and the rise in political movements and
fighting in the streets and things that came out of
that as well, it is something that happens when people
feel under stress. I'm not excusing it, yeah, I'm just
saying these these are the right lie. I think what's
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happened though, I think that what we're seeing within the
judiciary and within the police is just this level of permissiveness,
where the signal overall to people is that there aren't
any real consequences. There's no one going, oh my god, mate,
don't do that, because if you do that, you know you're.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Going to an obvious ridiculous It is a silly comparison
because you always look at different countries, but you can
imagine the things that you would not get away with.
And let's say Singapore as a people who would do
this here. Can you imagine them going, oh, go and
protest that way in Singapore and said, oh no, don't
do that, because why won't you do it? Because there
will be consequences here, feather duster, that's about it. You fair,
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fair enough? Has this guy been charged? No, you got
a warning, just a little don't do it again, mate.
That's not good, not good form from the police. A
wet bus ticket. There we go anyway, lock them up? Hey,
actually tell you what. We will take a break now.
I think it's twenty four past three news talks sai'd be.
We're going to be coming back next couple of topics. Oh,
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by the way, if you in the break people, if
you want to just go and check out the footage
of the guying the pitch invader being taste in Cincinnati.
Have a good laugh, and then we'll talk about that.
Coming back in just a moment this news talks. He'll
be twenty four past three. Welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
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I'm Tim Beveridge, my guests Mark Kreisel and Joe McCarroll.
This Western Peter's no, Joe's playing that song. Yeah, and
I have to say that song is linked to our
next story. But actually I'm not sure he did get
back up again straight away. But there's I've shown everyone
in the newsroom has seen this, and hopefully you have
been the break as well. But baseball spectators in Cincinnati
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witnessed a scene where a Reds fan, having eluded we'd,
gone up and danced around with one of the center fielder.
Then he did a backflip while he's been chased by
as a police officer or security guy. Anyway, he got
away and he got tased, and I've pulled the newsroom
and I'll give you the results of that newsroom with
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all the people here. But I thought it was brilliant
tase them. Job done. It'll stop them idiots distracting everyone.
What do you think, Mark, chrysl Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'll actually grudgingly give them this, I think. Yeah, taser
stop them in the in their tracks, yea, and move on.
Have you seen the footage of the game, Yes, I.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Have, Joe.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What do you think, Well, I mean, I don't actually
know what being tasered is, like myst surprised you to know.
But if it is still if it is just not
that bad. But I mean, the thing is, maybe you
could say a little bit of a disproportionate response to
this teenager, but at the running onto the field, it's
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a real dumb ass thing to do. I think, you know,
it's stupid. It's not fair to the athletes who are
playing the game. And I'd say, you know, if you
didn't have quite immediate severe consequences, you'll get a lot
of people wanting to do it, to put it on
their Instagram.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Here's the thing. Look, I think that it's also a
risk these days. They say to the athletes, and sometimes
your athletes who take them out with a tackle and
they're in trouble and all that sort of stuff. It
is one. It's a deterrent, which I think we probably need.
But here's the quick, tricky question for you. If it
had been, say, a female streaker, who I must say,
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I do think that we'd be a little bit more.
In fact, it was a guy doing backflips who ran away.
But I have to say that sensibility of me would
feel less comfortable with seeing a woman tasted and just
being honest. And you tell me off for that now, Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
No, I no, I get what you're saying. I mean,
I think you know that was a teenage boy.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I think, ah, well, I looked about twenty or something.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
The kid on the field. I mean, you don't want
to see anyone hurt. That's what I meant about is
if is tasering, it's not going to have any serious
consequences for him. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Are fine if the game's boring, though, that's the thing
you almost.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean, that's funny. You can always have someone who's
in charge and going okay, guys security boring if somebody
streaks led them away with it, and then you go okay,
games rocking and rolling tasers on guys. So if you
get it wrong, do you get it wrong? If the
game's boring, you get away with it because everyone's dying
for some entertainment. But if it's in the middle of
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the final of the Blues versus whoever. Then, lucky he
wasn't in Texas.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You probably would have got a bullet through the head
or something.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, you're not the first. So I pulled the newsroom. Okay,
not a single person against it. I'd seen one person
ambivalent and everyone else was like, yep, tasm. Should we
bring it to New Zealand. Then let's tase pitch invaders.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Joe, look again, I need to know more about Taser's
volunteering for something. I don't want to see anyone get hurt,
you know, I don't. I think that's an absolute disproportionate response.
But at the same time, I think that is a
really annoying and stupid thing to do, and people should
be dissuaded from doing it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I think it's fair to say it hurts getting taste.
Not that I've been tasted, but I can imagine it hurts.
Like how Actually I wonderful.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
It makes me wonder because I was thinking, how it
can we demonstrate that with you? Now, Joe would be
to go get the defib.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Cattle prop coming back after the break, go back after
the break.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
We're gonna well, maybe not Joe love. That sounds like
it might be a health and safety issue. Anyway, Hey, anyway,
go and check it out. It's quite It is funny
if you want to laugh when he hits it is
and you hear the guys who are like here he goes.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Anyway, there we go. Right, Okay, Look these new laws
to allow Australian workers to ignore calls outside workouts. Should
New Zealand adopt the same rules. So it's about this
right to disconnect. And look, it doesn't seem to me.
I almost wondered, do we need a law like that?
I would have thought that in New Zealand your home time,
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you need your home time.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You may need some protections if you decide, you know,
I don't you know, I'm not contactable outside of certain
certain times, so you may need some protections in the law.
I mean, I personally, I hate taking doing anything to
do with work once I get home. I can say
that now because I'm on guardening leaf. But you know, generally,
but people who rang me after ring me after a
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certain time, I would never pick up. I wouldn't even
really reply to emails or texts.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
As home workers work, I might be being naive. But
I think that a text or something, if somebody from
work has texted me or cause, I know it'll be
for a good reason. Yeah, it has to be important.
And if it was just because, how can you do that?
I'd be I'd just say, look, when I'm out of
the office and out of the office, what would your
start speak to it? Jo? Do we need a rule
like this?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I think it's a pretty I think legislation is a
pretty blunt tool to use in a situation which is
so nuanced, so in the weeds. I mean, I don't
think everyone is lucky enough to be able to decide
to ignore calls. You know, not everyone is in that position.
Some people you feel their job was at risk if
they ignored that, Well.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
That's where the protection of the law would come. And
I would imagine it does feel like a heavy instrument,
would it be, But you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Know, the employers would have more power in this situation.
It would be a way of protecting the workers. I
would imagine.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, but I'm saying you're protecting I mean, I take
what you're saying, Mark, but you're protecting a vulnerable workforce
who then would have to pursue the protection of the law.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
It just seems very calm. It seems that it would
make workplace relations very complex. I'm sure you should be
able to work the stuff out with your employer, shouldn't you,
for instance.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well as someone who's in the middle of something. Sometimes
it takes a while to.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Get to that point. Yeah, but no, I think that.
I just think that legislating bluntly for something like this
it makes it difficult.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Have another piece of legislation that I wish to pass
under my new regime of prime ministership. I would like
people not to be able to contact you on a
range of different platforms.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Ah, that's a good one, because you know, you.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
And Mark, I'm sure all of you. You get messages,
and you might get a text, and you might get
a WhatsApp, and you might get a message on Facebook Messenger,
and you might get a message on LinkedIn, and so
you've just got too many platforms. And I like a
lot of work correspondence in all these different ways. So
it's very very hard to keep track off.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Actually, just that is quite a good point, Actually very
good point, because actually people don't get to switch off
if you choose to go back online.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
But you know, whether we like it or not.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We're looking at our phones all the time, and that
takes a toll that's not good for you. My solution
would be that if somebody rings you or texts you
outside work hours, that you can taser them.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
No, I just but you can all think of occupations
where that just wouldn't work. If you were, okay, a
lawyer or something. You've got a big case coming up
in the morning and your boss has to say, Loosten,
this has just come up. I need to give you
a heads up for tomorrow. Broadcasting, you know, and radio
all the time, you know, there might be there might
be something. We're dealing with live news events all the time.
The ability to imagine if I just said on I'm out,
(26:09):
I'm not I'm not taking any calls. I just guess
it's all about having a good relationship with your employer,
and it's when you don't that this sort of stuff comes.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Into Surely this is a right not to be harassed.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, and I would have thought we have that right.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You know, if your employer is contacting you out of
ours and giving you you know, and hounding you, I
feel like that could currently be dealt with by the
employment court. Already.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I feel like this is legislation that does Maybe maybe
it's quite it's interesting, maybe it's quite bad in Australia.
I don't know. It's good.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's a good conversation to have though, because you don't
think about it. Then it can just creep into your
life and before you're wondering why you exhausted all the time.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, No, that's an interesting it's it's a difficult one
because you can imagine times when they'd be like, you
know what, you've left work, that's it, you're out. But yeah,
surely we can work this out without having to legislate
for all.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
An, So I've always had a job. You know, there's
give and take, but I'm lucky to have that. You know,
I don't mind doing something in the evening, sometimes at
the weekend sometimes because I know this flexibility at other times.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But there are plenty of people who don't, particularly in
this economy at the moment, you know, there are people
losing jobs. People are desperate to hang on to them.
So it does make work is a lot more vulnerable
than they would have been in the past. Your line
about tasings reminded me somehow of the mighty Python cheese
sketch and your substitute the words shoot for taste. Well,
I'm sorry, Butham, have to tas you now over the
end of the cheese sketch.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You don't know that one. No, he goes into the
cheese shop. He says, you've got any camem beer? No,
not today? So any lists for a million cheeses? And
he goes, what about cheddar? He goes, no, just just
run out of that and have you any cheese in
the shop at all?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to shoot you right,
oh sir. And that's how they finished the sketch. There's
just a bit of mighty Python trivia for you. Obviously
we've listened to far too much. When as a teenager
it is twenty two minutes to four news talks, he'd
be that really. Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm
(28:28):
Tim Beverage. My guests are Joe McCarroll and Mark Kreisel.
And look, guys, just getting onto the AI side of things.
Apple brings chat GPT to Siri. Is it so it's
debuting Apple Intelligence AI sort of being attached to your
I don't know, I'm I think AI is amazing, But
(28:51):
what do you think of? What do you think of?
I mean I'm anti Apple as well, by the way,
I think it's the death star of technology because once
you're in, you can't get out. Not cool, No, I'm
certainly not. Yeah, But anyway, Apple Intelligence. Do you love
what it's going to be able to do for your iPhone? Mark? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean I think we need to relax a bit
about AI. I think we're all getting a little bit
hit up and worried about it, and I think it's
actually going to be a tool for quite good. I mean,
I'm hearing lots of bad things and good things, and
I'm thinking I'm just going to take I'm going to
be relaxed about it, and if I don't like what
AI is doing, then I'll taser it.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Okay, thank you, Mark. We can see a thing developing
in your conversation, Joe, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Look, I think there's an opportunity for Apple here. I mean,
I think they've taken a position on privacy, and I
think they have a real track record of taking something
that someone else has developed, polishing up the user experience
a bit, and then katching you know, what I mean. So,
I think a lot of people would like the tools
that AI can offer you without the privacy exposure that
(30:04):
a tool like chat Chi or whatever the Google one's
called expose you to. So I think it's an opportunity.
I think I sort of view AI a bit like
I view Google, because I'm like, I use that every day,
all day, use it constantly, you know, use the search
whatever search engineer use. It's just a tool, and I
(30:26):
imagine we'll be using it a lot. But anyone who
says they work less now than.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's unavoidable AI really isn't it. And there's what's it
going to be. It's going to be called what it's
Apple Intelligence. It's a deal with chat GPT. I just interesting.
Do you trust AI in terms of if you were
going to give it a job to do or something
to write? I I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I've used it a couple of times and sum up something.
It's actually been hilarious, just when I was struggling for something.
It's just been ludicrous of what it's come up with.
So it hasn't really worked for me. But I know
people who are using it all the time and it
works well for them, works in terms of summarizing thing.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
In certain contexts.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I heard something the other day about chat g GPT,
which I'm dying to try, is that if you go
and you open your fridge and you say I've got
only these ingredients in my fridge, what can I make?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It'll come up with loads of recipes. Well, yeah, apparently
that works really well. My producers telling me that works well,
he's used that, he's used it. I think I've got
that's not bad. I used it to put together a
writer for my concert to take to the States, and
I passed my own eye of a law degree and everything,
but I ran some clauses past it and said what
(31:39):
do you reckon of these? And it came up with
a suggestion which was actually I thought, God, that's brilliant,
and it'll get better to I know, this is a start.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
An HR person told me the other day that she's
noticing that people are doing their performance reviews with AI
because the language is slightly it's not quite human and
a little bit stilted and hmm, yeah, I used to
just put North American sayings in my Do you think TV.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And Z used AI to sort out its points?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Some actual I.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Actually because Elon Musk has threatened to ban iPhones and
Max at his company. So he's if the iPhone maker, basically,
if the iPhone maker goes ahead with its AI plans
announced on Monday, he's he's going to I think any
visitor to to his company is going to have to
stick their phone into a Faraday cage or something. He
(32:36):
was talking about. Anyway, he's he says, He says, uh,
basically isolates sort of radio signals and all that sort
of stuff. Apple has no clue what's going on, he says,
once the hand over your data to open AI. I
think he's playing a pr game here too.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Sounds like sour grapes frankly. I mean the last thing
he wants is for Apple to own the AI space.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yes, it's a it's a pitch battle at the moment,
isn't it between all those big tech guy.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I think if you're going into a into a commercially
sense sort of environment, though, I'd be like, leave your
phone at the door, thanks very much, no matter what
it is. But you'll be doing that anyway. Yeah. Probably.
There is an interesting fun side topic to this. So
Elon Musk has just had his The shareholders have approved
his salary, his remuneration packets. Sorry, let's put it that way.
(33:24):
Fifty six billion dollars. Whoa, and here's us going on?
Fifty millions is too much? Fifty six billion dollars. The
shareholders have approved it. For the Tesla shareholders have approved it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
They had two goes at that, didn't they because they
got turned down the first time.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I did a little calculation, because I think sometimes people
don't get how much a billion dollars is.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I tried to negotiate that payment for us for the
hour of radio.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Well, you know what, I worked it out. We've divided
it by three hundred and sixty five, right, and then
we've divided it by eight. And we were saying, so,
without thinking too hard, how much do you think if
we were paying you the equivalent for this hour of radio?
How much would you get?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Probably what I'm worth ten.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Thirty million dollars for one hour, for an hour, unless
I've got a few years dollars. Yeah, thirty million dollars
fifty million New Zealand. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a
lot of one.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I would take calls after hours, the phone's ring.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I'm getting thirty million dollars an hour.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You only have to do an hour and you're sweet, Well,
you don't need anymore thirty million?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Have you? By the way, somebody struck Powerball again? Just
by the way on Wednesday? Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Would you be disappointed if you won power Ball and
it was four million having missed out on thirty million?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
No, no, no, I'd take it. Still be great, I'd
take it. Be a hard heart to be yeah, yeah,
I'd be disappointed if accidentally ten people had won the
same thing or something. It'd be like, what's the chances?
But yeah, I'll take the four million anyway. Look, we'll
be back in just a moment. News Talk said it
is twelve minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
To four.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
If you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
In the time the.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Lot and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Tim Beverbridge,
my guest, Joe McCarroll and Mark Kreisel. Guys, what did
you think of the story? A couple who were put
they both need special assistance and they were put on
the wrong plane. They had booked flights from Bristol to
Barcelona in Spain and it ended up in Lithuania and
(35:53):
they did their boarding passes were checked multiple times, but
the era wasn't spotted.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Do you know what I think is the most unbelievable thing,
Having traveled on Ryan Air quite a bit. The seats
were free, that's true, the seat How were the seats free?
Like Ryanair is books overbooked?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's the planes are rammed.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well maybe people, I have no idea. But and and
the fact that they managed maybe they had exactly the
same seat numbers. But you know what, I think it
does tell you that when the cabin crew are looking
at your boarding passes, how closely are they really looking?
Because that must be a mind numbing thing where you're
just looking at boarding pass after boarding.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Pass'd on the wrong plane before in I was living
in Wellington and I was in Napier and the Auckland
and Auckland and Wellington planes were basically on the tarmac
at the same time, so they put you out. Yeah,
I got on the Auckland plane when I was meant
to be on the Wellington one, but they picked me
up after I'd sat down.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Someone told me once that in Austria there's a counter
for people who thought they were flying to Australia. What Sorry,
there's a counter at the airport. We think there's Austria.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
That's a great.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
So many people have flown to Austria. That's not getting
on the wrong plane. Imagine they've booked their flights online.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And they haven't stopped. Christian White four thousand bucks return
or something.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
A different wardrobe, a different wardrobe.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Mentioned that, seriously, could anyone possibly have done that? There'd
be because you'd have a stop over somewhere for Austria.
You'd be why are we stopping off and sing a
porter go to Australia.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I remember someone who was flying, because this has happened
a few times, and I remember someone who said that
that they were they didn't know why they were speaking
in Spanish on the plane. But I thought, well, if
you don't speak Spanish, you might not understand when they say, gosh,
we hope you enjoy the beautiful floral festival in Madrid.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Or of course I was thinking of people flying from
Australia from New Zealand to Australia, but of course it'd
be for people flying from.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Within America.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Austria where the kangaroos mate. Hey, by the way, she sooner, okay,
definitely not in touch with the common man. He said
that he had it tough when he was growing up,
and he went without sky as a child.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Didn't have Sky TV, didn't have any working class friends.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
He's just they're in trouble. His dad was a GP
and his mam owned a pharmacy. Why didn't you just say, look, well,
I came from an ordinary background, but my dad was
a doctor in this and finished.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
She went to a very high end private school.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Him and his wife are worth over a billion dollars
if the family.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
But I mean, there is nothing like the self pity
of the rich.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
The Tories are in real trouble. I see their third
now in the latest theform Party has gone up to
number two.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Blimey. So they could be wiped out. Well I don't
think they'd be wiped out, but I think they wonder
if Boris is going I'll come back. They just waiting
for me to return.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I actually think that's quite a serious issue. I mean,
I think the fact that you've got people in charge
who are so not like the people who are a
voting I think a democratic institution should look roughly like
the population, and I think we should be proud in
New Zealand that they are a bit more like the population.
But in America, I don't think. I think this is
(39:18):
the most private school educated members of cabinet who under
rishisunac since Liz trusts as in those are the highest ever.
I mean that's not that is not the British public,
and I think that means they're passing legislation.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
They've got a class system.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
So look, this is a problem politics anyway, because I
think that the people we are getting aren't really representative
of our communities. They're often been in Koreas their whole life,
and that's taste of them all. I just think if
they've got good ideas, I don't care where they're from.
But anyway, Hey, by the way, go get your your
copy of New Zealand Gardener magazine. It's a lovely sort
of lavender color with what's on the.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Front there Salvi is We did the national salvia collection
in Southland and I would say if you haven't to
salvia in your garden you will want one after reading
this amazing story.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Excellent. Hey, thank you so much, Mark, lovely to see you.
Is there any columns in there and Gardening leave? No,
do you need one? Well? There we go. Well you
can talk after talking the break about that. Hey, We'll
be back shortly with the one roof radio show on
tim Bebridge. It is now coming out to three minutes
to four News Talk.
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But anyway, it's time to introduce my panelists. And the
first one he is. He is the Silver Fox himself.
He's a man of many hats. As you know, he's
been a journalist, a career of fencer. I wanted to
throw in there that had been an erotic dancer, but
I couldn't find anything to back it up. But quite frankly,
there's nothing that he can't do. And it's Mark Kreisel.
Good day, Mark, how are you going?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
We'll just push I'm more of a neurotic dancer.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Okay, well close just so quickly. It sounds exciting anyway.
And my next panelist is editor of the New Zealand's
most well known gardening magazine, New Zealand Gardener. And when
she's not with us, you can catch her in a
happy place pulling out weeds. And it's Joe McCarroll. High Joe.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
In my happiest place, there would be no weeds.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It would be done. All the weeding would be done.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Now, do you do you have any fancy devices?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I saw at the knee washy right hand knee washe
because I'm right handed?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Nee?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
What knee washy little Japanese weading tool recommend If you
haven't got.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
One, you just stick it and twist it and pull
it out.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's like that sort of yeah, but it's sort is
you get under get the whole root ball out of
the weeds.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Okay, yeah, because I've had a few things throw up
in my in my Twitter feed or something, this advert
for this stick your stick in the ground and it
seems to pull up these weeds with very large roots. Anyway,
that's them commercial mark, you pass on any of that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm just riding as fast as furiously as I can.
You're the man you seem to be going on.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Of course, you know, we know what's we have a
rough idea what's going on at tv INS or do
we have a rough idea what's going on to T
means yet? But you I guess at some stage at
least you can take that bucket list of what it's
like to be on gardening leave a life goal for
me being on gardening leave.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Actually interesting backstory. Before I started editing New Zealand Gardener,
I was put on Gardening Leaf. Why because another magazine? Yeah,
and so when I resigned from that mag they said
you don't have to okay you noticed, you can go
on gardening leave and I thought, well that's good because
I'm going to edit New Zealand Gardener.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Wow three months how appropriate? Hey, so what is going on?
So what happened is.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I mean it's out in the public now. I guess
they can talk about it. That there was a TV
and Z failed to comply with a clause in our collective,
which meant that they were meant to consult with us
as we went through our you know, the process of
losing our jobs, and the Employment Relations Authority and the
Employment Court found that that didn't happen, and they ordered
(04:37):
TV and Z to comply, which meant we were no
longer dismissed, which means we basically start all over again.
So we're going through meetings and consulting on how we
might be able to help the companies.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Say, are you going to meetings or just going to
your local going to meetings?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, no, I'm doing the meetings. We're going through the
whole process, and then that could go for a number
of weeks, could go.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
For a very stressful time. But may I say, you
are looking somehow, You're looking just relaxed. And he's looking good,
doesn't need Joe. Yeah, and you're looking fantastic too. Oh
what a good look your hairstyle. I mean, like it's
only radio unfortunately, so these comics are wasted in the audience. Yeah, no,
I feeling good.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I mean it's a it's a weird place to be
and it's a weird kind of limbo. And I really
miss being a storyteller and telling stories. I have to
say that that's a bit tough for me. But you know,
we'll just go through the stage and see what comes next. Yep,
you never know, never know what's around there, and just
open up the text line. If anybody's got any jobs, yeah,
(05:39):
text nineteen nine two. If you've got a job for
Mark as actually career, yes, oh.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Eurotic anything that ends in tick. Hey, look, let's get
onto the let's get onto the topics for today. Now,
all speed limit reductions introduced since twenty twenty on local
streets and outside schools are likely to be scrapped or well,
I think there's going to be a few changes. I
wasn't this one that there might even be speeds of
(06:06):
one hundred and twenty kilometers an hour introduced on roads
of national significance. So anyway, what do you make of this?
We'll go with you first, Mark.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I don't know, mate. I think the thing is
at lower speeds means fewer people die. I mean, that's
why they came in in the first place. I used
to live in Germany and on the auto barns there
are some stretches of water barn there is no speed limit.
Now you can drive as fast as you like, which
is amazing if you've got those amazing cars that they have,
(06:36):
until you have an accident and then you pretty much die.
So every time the speed limit goes up, more people
die in accidents.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So I think there's got to be a happy meeting, though,
doesn't there because, for instance, who drives thirty kilometers an
hour around Auckland, CBD unless the traffic is demanding that.
I had a police officer pass me not flat lights flashing.
I was going about forty probably and he was definitely
doing fifty. I was like, these speed limits, some of
them are they are nonsense, something they don't even think.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I know.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Around where I live, the speed limits were brought down,
and I've got to say I'm really pro that because
people used to use the street that we live on
as a little you know, shortcut from one main street
to another and come down it way too fast. And
I've seen numerous times people have come a cropper, you
know what.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Speed were they've been doing that or they exceeding in
the normal limit anyone.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
They would have been doing sort of sixty seventy along
a little suburban street. And they've brought it down and
now they go slower, and I'm quite pro. I mean,
I'm not a fan of pointless speed limits that achieve nothing,
but I don't understand how you can just increase the road.
You can just increase the speed limit without changing the
road in any way, and consider that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is well, I mean it's putting it back to what
it was before. So the road was if you've had
a fifty K limit or one hundred K limit that
and it's gone down it was one hundred k, you
know what I mean. They haven't popped it up, except
for obviously these new roads where like the expressways, where
they think, well, actually this road's built for hundred and
twenty K.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If it's one hundred, and you know it's normally if
it's one hundred, people go one hundred and ten. If
it's fifty, they do sixty. I mean, that's just the
reality of it, and people try, you know, take their
chances there.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'm with Joe. Our street.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We get people whipping down there at fifty k's, we've
got kids walking across the street. We've got all that
kind of thing drives me nuts.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, mid way, what's the limit on your road anyway?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Will it be around thirty or forty? I would imagine
it's a in an Auckland street.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And it's only CBD. I think that's down to thirty.
I think you probably find the limit is fifty. Probably.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, well that's too fast. That is way too fast
in our street. And also I see the ministers saying
things like which I think is absolute nonsense. We'll ask
the public if they think that's a reasonable speed. Well,
that's just ridiculous. I mean, people want to go faster
all the time. It doesn't you know, all New Zealanders
think they're good drives.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I don't know if it will might say public and
you have a conservative approach to it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But not a speed little They're there for a good reason, yeah,
but I'm not sure the engineering reason.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, I think, well, the engineering of the roads. For instance,
say okay, let's put the engineering of the some of
those new roads is one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Then we should be signed.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
But we should be okay with one hundred and twenty,
then should we?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Well, I think when you've got a road that is
designed for a higher speed, I don't have a problem
with the highest speed. I think if everyone could travel safely.
But the speeds that you're saying, Tim, that we're going
back to, they were just applied in the most random
ad hoc fashion. Back in the day people were putting
one hundred. Yeah, that looks about one hundred, you know,
that looks about.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I think don't know if they were totally phillo ste
it was like all stayed highways were one hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And I think roads do not allow that. They do
not allow you to travel at one hundred safely. And
I also think, and I know people get so hot
under the collar about not being able to drive as
fast as they want the whole time. But I mean,
if you go eighty or if you go one hundred,
the difference it makes in your journey of most the
average time of a journey, which is not more than
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an hour, I'd say it's.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Much eighty to me feels pretty pedestrian. To be honest,
I'm all in favor of it. I think I think
you could see that now that I am. I mean,
for instance, I mean, I agree, slow down outside schools,
but when they say the speed limit outside of school
at ten o'clock at night, there's got to be thirty
kilometers an hour, it's sort of like, well, that does
it just seems that there's room for a happy medium,
and he wants to protect well yea, as I say,
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of course, you're not going to have it. You don't
more people die if the speed limits are higher. Are
you happy with that? Well, I think that life is
risky anyway. If you want, you are happy. If you
want to follow that argument, Mark, then everyone should drive
fifty kilometers an hour on the open road. Good luck
driving faster than that in Auckland anyway. No, no, no,
But I mean if you want to take that argument,
then you can argue for just repressing us. Also, whether
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we're trying to remove all the risk of life, I
think that there is. We're ignoring the fact that one
of the major causes of deaths on the road is
drug driving, drink driving and getting known at speed and
get off that bloody phone. I think if you want
to say, let's find people a thousand bucks from being
caught on their phone, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, I'm fine with that too. But speed is definitely
one of those factors as well.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I think it's a combination of speed, road design out
the old age of our fleet of cars. But also
I would say New Zealanders are often incredibly aggressive drivers.
That makes it more dangerous for everyone.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Well, you could argue before we move on, you could
argue that not that that having these having slightly overly
conservative limits leads to frustration in its own way. Maybe
I don't know. Look, look enforce the limits. Get on.
I think when you get overtaken by someone on the
on there on the inside, on one of your things, bicycle.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'd like to say I couldn't agree with you. More
about the phone thing, I'd like to see the minute
you call on your phone, your phone is confiscated.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, your car is confiscated.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yes, make me prime minister now in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Okay, Well, speaking of consequences for things, Maureen Pew the
allegia assault during that anti mining protest in Tarcica. So
she turned up for a community board meeting. It sounds
like quite a benign sort of thing anyway, there are
a lot of protesters there, so we've thrown this one
as an extra bit. She was pushed by a man,
physically accosted her, pushed a placard into her chest, and
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I guess the question is she was technically assaulted. It
seems to me that with the posey Parker sort of thing,
and we've seen it going back in time, dildo's being
thrown mud and all that sort of stuff. I actually
think that when it comes to public public meetings and politicians,
I think that if you apply even a minor assault,
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charged them because I think that getting to the stage
ye where people feel that there's no consequence. And we
had a seventy year old one year old woman violently
assaulted and he got discharged with that conviction. They should
have charged this guy because more MP and anyone like
her Green National whatever party, they should be able to
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attend meetings and not have dickheads making life unpleasant.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
And I actually think, I know a lot of people
will say, oh, you know, alleged assault, you know, and
I actually think that sounds really quite frightening.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Would have you seen the video of it? No, I've
only seen footage of it to her cut same thing. No, sorry,
I mean sorry, no photos.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yes, so her car was surrounded by a whole lot
of people, and I think she would have felt really
threatened and frightened. There she's Intarctica, that's a Green stronghold anyways,
she's outside of safety zone.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So I think, yeah, definitely, I will.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's not a political issue. I think we are so
lucky that our politicians can still come in front us
and come to community meetings and meet directly with the public.
That is an incredibly valuable thing. And I don't want
to see us in a situation where they just stay
in their office and you know, put up the odd
Facebook live. We're losing something if that happens. I agree
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with you, Tim, I think this is something that should
be taken incredibly seriously because of where it was happening.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Actually, funny thing is, isn't it. I love that the
reporting of it seemed to say it was pushed with
a placardist I was just a bit of cardboard. Take
that placard away, that man has placed his hands on
her and pushed her, and I'm thinking, actually, funny thing
is it's almost like the placard was made. It not
so bad. I'm sorry. I think the police made a
mistake charge and let the judge deal with it. Let
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the judge let him off. I guess.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Take it as as seriously as it should be taken.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I think things have got have got out of hand
quite a bit. You know after COVID there were the
threats of course to the Prome Minister just into adourn
at the time, James Shaw was punched in the face,
literally punched in the face, just.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Walking to work. And do we know what happened with that?
I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, the guy was charged and got pretty sure he
was convicted. I and then a wet bus ticket naughty
to do it again? Yeah, but you know that was
that was an actual literally in your face as sold.
So I think the whole public discourse is getting angrier
and angrier. People under stress, there's a recession on. People
have feel poorer and are really struggling, and this is
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what you start to see when these things happen. Also,
I think this government has changed so many things, and
particularly people in a green area would feel particularly agreed.
They always feel like they're fighting to save the will.
I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not saying it's okay,
but I'm just saying this is the environment.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I would say it's an immensely stressful environment that people
are operating in right now, but people have operated in
far more stressful environments. That is not acceptable behavior. I
think we are seeing a breakdown in simply a social contract.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I was thinking that there's been so many things over
the years. There's COVID and and then there's been the
you know, the weather events, and now we're in a
recession and people are losing their jobs. That these things
just get layered on top of each other to a
point where people are starting to break and we're starting
to see real breakdown in civil discorsis can I.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Really challenge that. I think humanity has been through far
more stressful events and numerous stressful events at the same time,
and people have responded to it by supporting each other
and rallying together. And I think it is it is
depressing that we say, oh, well, people are under all
this stress. I understand, well, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And no Joe, but also you know, I mean if
you look at moments in history, you know, particularly you
think around the thirties in Europe when there were big
depressions and recessions and the rise in political movements and
fighting in the streets and things that came out of
that as well, it is something that happens when people
feel under stress. I'm not excusing it, yeah, I'm just
saying these these are the right lie. I think what's
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happened though, I think that what we're seeing within the
judiciary and within the police is just this level of permissiveness,
where the signal overall to people is that there aren't
any real consequences. There's no one going, oh my god, mate,
don't do that, because if you do that, you know you're.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Going to an obvious ridiculous It is a silly comparison
because you always look at different countries, but you can
imagine the things that you would not get away with.
And let's say Singapore as a people who would do
this here. Can you imagine them going, oh, go and
protest that way in Singapore and said, oh no, don't
do that, because why won't you do it? Because there
will be consequences here, feather duster, that's about it. You fair,
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fair enough? Has this guy been charged? No, you got
a warning, just a little don't do it again, mate.
That's not good, not good form from the police. A
wet bus ticket. There we go anyway, lock them up? Hey,
actually tell you what. We will take a break now.
I think it's twenty four past three news talks sai'd be.
We're going to be coming back next couple of topics. Oh,
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by the way, if you in the break people, if
you want to just go and check out the footage
of the guying the pitch invader being taste in Cincinnati.
Have a good laugh, and then we'll talk about that.
Coming back in just a moment this news talks. He'll
be twenty four past three. Welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
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I'm Tim Beveridge, my guests Mark Kreisel and Joe McCarroll.
This Western Peter's no, Joe's playing that song. Yeah, and
I have to say that song is linked to our
next story. But actually I'm not sure he did get
back up again straight away. But there's I've shown everyone
in the newsroom has seen this, and hopefully you have
been the break as well. But baseball spectators in Cincinnati
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witnessed a scene where a Reds fan, having eluded we'd,
gone up and danced around with one of the center fielder.
Then he did a backflip while he's been chased by
as a police officer or security guy. Anyway, he got
away and he got tased, and I've pulled the newsroom
and I'll give you the results of that newsroom with
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all the people here. But I thought it was brilliant
tase them. Job done. It'll stop them idiots distracting everyone.
What do you think, Mark, chrysl Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'll actually grudgingly give them this, I think. Yeah, taser
stop them in the in their tracks, yea, and move on.
Have you seen the footage of the game, Yes, I.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Have, Joe.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What do you think, Well, I mean, I don't actually
know what being tasered is, like myst surprised you to know.
But if it is still if it is just not
that bad. But I mean, the thing is, maybe you
could say a little bit of a disproportionate response to
this teenager, but at the running onto the field, it's
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a real dumb ass thing to do. I think, you know,
it's stupid. It's not fair to the athletes who are
playing the game. And I'd say, you know, if you
didn't have quite immediate severe consequences, you'll get a lot
of people wanting to do it, to put it on
their Instagram.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Here's the thing. Look, I think that it's also a
risk these days. They say to the athletes, and sometimes
your athletes who take them out with a tackle and
they're in trouble and all that sort of stuff. It
is one. It's a deterrent, which I think we probably need.
But here's the quick, tricky question for you. If it
had been, say, a female streaker, who I must say,
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I do think that we'd be a little bit more.
In fact, it was a guy doing backflips who ran away.
But I have to say that sensibility of me would
feel less comfortable with seeing a woman tasted and just
being honest. And you tell me off for that now, Joe.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
No, I no, I get what you're saying. I mean,
I think you know that was a teenage boy.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I think, ah, well, I looked about twenty or something.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
The kid on the field. I mean, you don't want
to see anyone hurt. That's what I meant about is
if is tasering, it's not going to have any serious
consequences for him. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Are fine if the game's boring, though, that's the thing
you almost.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean, that's funny. You can always have someone who's
in charge and going okay, guys security boring if somebody
streaks led them away with it, and then you go okay,
games rocking and rolling tasers on guys. So if you
get it wrong, do you get it wrong? If the
game's boring, you get away with it because everyone's dying
for some entertainment. But if it's in the middle of
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the final of the Blues versus whoever. Then, lucky he
wasn't in Texas.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You probably would have got a bullet through the head
or something.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I mean, you're not the first. So I pulled the newsroom. Okay,
not a single person against it. I'd seen one person
ambivalent and everyone else was like, yep, tasm. Should we
bring it to New Zealand. Then let's tase pitch invaders.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Joe, look again, I need to know more about Taser's
volunteering for something. I don't want to see anyone get hurt,
you know, I don't. I think that's an absolute disproportionate response.
But at the same time, I think that is a
really annoying and stupid thing to do, and people should
be dissuaded from doing it.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I think it's fair to say it hurts getting taste.
Not that I've been tasted, but I can imagine it hurts.
Like how Actually I wonderful.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
It makes me wonder because I was thinking, how it
can we demonstrate that with you? Now, Joe would be
to go get the defib.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Cattle prop coming back after the break, go back after
the break.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
We're gonna well, maybe not Joe love. That sounds like
it might be a health and safety issue. Anyway, Hey, anyway,
go and check it out. It's quite It is funny
if you want to laugh when he hits it is
and you hear the guys who are like here he goes.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Anyway, there we go. Right, Okay, Look these new laws
to allow Australian workers to ignore calls outside workouts. Should
New Zealand adopt the same rules. So it's about this
right to disconnect. And look, it doesn't seem to me.
I almost wondered, do we need a law like that?
I would have thought that in New Zealand your home time,
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you need your home time.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You may need some protections if you decide, you know,
I don't you know, I'm not contactable outside of certain
certain times, so you may need some protections in the law.
I mean, I personally, I hate taking doing anything to
do with work once I get home. I can say
that now because I'm on guardening leaf. But you know, generally,
but people who rang me after ring me after a
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certain time, I would never pick up. I wouldn't even
really reply to emails or texts.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
As home workers work, I might be being naive. But
I think that a text or something, if somebody from
work has texted me or cause, I know it'll be
for a good reason. Yeah, it has to be important.
And if it was just because, how can you do that?
I'd be I'd just say, look, when I'm out of
the office and out of the office, what would your
start speak to it? Jo? Do we need a rule
like this?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I think it's a pretty I think legislation is a
pretty blunt tool to use in a situation which is
so nuanced, so in the weeds. I mean, I don't
think everyone is lucky enough to be able to decide
to ignore calls. You know, not everyone is in that position.
Some people you feel their job was at risk if
they ignored that, Well.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
That's where the protection of the law would come. And
I would imagine it does feel like a heavy instrument,
would it be, But you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Know, the employers would have more power in this situation.
It would be a way of protecting the workers. I
would imagine.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, but I'm saying you're protecting I mean, I take
what you're saying, Mark, but you're protecting a vulnerable workforce
who then would have to pursue the protection of the law.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
It just seems very calm. It seems that it would
make workplace relations very complex. I'm sure you should be
able to work the stuff out with your employer, shouldn't you,
for instance.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well as someone who's in the middle of something. Sometimes
it takes a while to.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Get to that point. Yeah, but no, I think that.
I just think that legislating bluntly for something like this
it makes it difficult.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Have another piece of legislation that I wish to pass
under my new regime of prime ministership. I would like
people not to be able to contact you on a
range of different platforms.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Ah, that's a good one, because you know, you.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
And Mark, I'm sure all of you. You get messages,
and you might get a text, and you might get
a WhatsApp, and you might get a message on Facebook Messenger,
and you might get a message on LinkedIn, and so
you've just got too many platforms. And I like a
lot of work correspondence in all these different ways. So
it's very very hard to keep track off.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Actually, just that is quite a good point, Actually very
good point, because actually people don't get to switch off
if you choose to go back online.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
But you know, whether we like it or not.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
We're looking at our phones all the time, and that
takes a toll that's not good for you. My solution
would be that if somebody rings you or texts you
outside work hours, that you can taser them.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
No, I just but you can all think of occupations
where that just wouldn't work. If you were, okay, a
lawyer or something. You've got a big case coming up
in the morning and your boss has to say, Loosten,
this has just come up. I need to give you
a heads up for tomorrow. Broadcasting, you know, and radio
all the time, you know, there might be there might
be something. We're dealing with live news events all the time.
The ability to imagine if I just said on I'm out,
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I'm not I'm not taking any calls. I just guess
it's all about having a good relationship with your employer,
and it's when you don't that this sort of stuff comes.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Into Surely this is a right not to be harassed.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, and I would have thought we have that right.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
You know, if your employer is contacting you out of
ours and giving you you know, and hounding you, I
feel like that could currently be dealt with by the
employment court. Already.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I feel like this is legislation that does Maybe maybe
it's quite it's interesting, maybe it's quite bad in Australia.
I don't know. It's good.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's a good conversation to have though, because you don't
think about it. Then it can just creep into your
life and before you're wondering why you exhausted all the time.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, No, that's an interesting it's it's a difficult one
because you can imagine times when they'd be like, you
know what, you've left work, that's it, you're out. But yeah,
surely we can work this out without having to legislate
for all.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
An, So I've always had a job. You know, there's
give and take, but I'm lucky to have that. You know,
I don't mind doing something in the evening, sometimes at
the weekend sometimes because I know this flexibility at other times.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But there are plenty of people who don't, particularly in
this economy at the moment, you know, there are people
losing jobs. People are desperate to hang on to them.
So it does make work is a lot more vulnerable
than they would have been in the past. Your line
about tasings reminded me somehow of the mighty Python cheese
sketch and your substitute the words shoot for taste. Well,
I'm sorry, Butham, have to tas you now over the
end of the cheese sketch.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You don't know that one. No, he goes into the
cheese shop. He says, you've got any camem beer? No,
not today? So any lists for a million cheeses? And
he goes, what about cheddar? He goes, no, just just
run out of that and have you any cheese in
the shop at all?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to shoot you right,
oh sir. And that's how they finished the sketch. There's
just a bit of mighty Python trivia for you. Obviously
we've listened to far too much. When as a teenager
it is twenty two minutes to four news talks, he'd
be that really. Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm
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Tim Beverage. My guests are Joe McCarroll and Mark Kreisel.
And look, guys, just getting onto the AI side of things.
Apple brings chat GPT to Siri. Is it so it's
debuting Apple Intelligence AI sort of being attached to your
I don't know, I'm I think AI is amazing, But
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what do you think of? What do you think of?
I mean I'm anti Apple as well, by the way,
I think it's the death star of technology because once
you're in, you can't get out. Not cool, No, I'm
certainly not. Yeah, But anyway, Apple Intelligence. Do you love
what it's going to be able to do for your iPhone? Mark? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean I think we need to relax a bit
about AI. I think we're all getting a little bit
hit up and worried about it, and I think it's
actually going to be a tool for quite good. I mean,
I'm hearing lots of bad things and good things, and
I'm thinking I'm just going to take I'm going to
be relaxed about it, and if I don't like what
AI is doing, then I'll taser it.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Okay, thank you, Mark. We can see a thing developing
in your conversation, Joe, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Look, I think there's an opportunity for Apple here. I mean,
I think they've taken a position on privacy, and I
think they have a real track record of taking something
that someone else has developed, polishing up the user experience
a bit, and then katching you know, what I mean. So,
I think a lot of people would like the tools
that AI can offer you without the privacy exposure that
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a tool like chat Chi or whatever the Google one's
called expose you to. So I think it's an opportunity.
I think I sort of view AI a bit like
I view Google, because I'm like, I use that every day,
all day, use it constantly, you know, use the search
whatever search engineer use. It's just a tool, and I
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imagine we'll be using it a lot. But anyone who
says they work less now than.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
It's unavoidable AI really isn't it. And there's what's it
going to be. It's going to be called what it's
Apple Intelligence. It's a deal with chat GPT. I just interesting.
Do you trust AI in terms of if you were
going to give it a job to do or something
to write? I I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I've used it a couple of times and sum up something.
It's actually been hilarious, just when I was struggling for something.
It's just been ludicrous of what it's come up with.
So it hasn't really worked for me. But I know
people who are using it all the time and it
works well for them, works in terms of summarizing thing.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
In certain contexts.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I heard something the other day about chat g GPT,
which I'm dying to try, is that if you go
and you open your fridge and you say I've got
only these ingredients in my fridge, what can I make?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It'll come up with loads of recipes. Well, yeah, apparently
that works really well. My producers telling me that works well,
he's used that, he's used it. I think I've got
that's not bad. I used it to put together a
writer for my concert to take to the States, and
I passed my own eye of a law degree and everything,
but I ran some clauses past it and said what
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do you reckon of these? And it came up with
a suggestion which was actually I thought, God, that's brilliant,
and it'll get better to I know, this is a start.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
An HR person told me the other day that she's
noticing that people are doing their performance reviews with AI
because the language is slightly it's not quite human and
a little bit stilted and hmm, yeah, I used to
just put North American sayings in my Do you think TV.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And Z used AI to sort out its points?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Some actual I.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Actually because Elon Musk has threatened to ban iPhones and
Max at his company. So he's if the iPhone maker, basically,
if the iPhone maker goes ahead with its AI plans
announced on Monday, he's he's going to I think any
visitor to to his company is going to have to
stick their phone into a Faraday cage or something. He
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was talking about. Anyway, he's he says, He says, uh,
basically isolates sort of radio signals and all that sort
of stuff. Apple has no clue what's going on, he says,
once the hand over your data to open AI. I
think he's playing a pr game here too.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Sounds like sour grapes frankly. I mean the last thing
he wants is for Apple to own the AI space.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yes, it's a it's a pitch battle at the moment,
isn't it between all those big tech guy.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I think if you're going into a into a commercially
sense sort of environment, though, I'd be like, leave your
phone at the door, thanks very much, no matter what
it is. But you'll be doing that anyway. Yeah. Probably.
There is an interesting fun side topic to this. So
Elon Musk has just had his The shareholders have approved
his salary, his remuneration packets. Sorry, let's put it that way.
(33:24):
Fifty six billion dollars. Whoa, and here's us going on?
Fifty millions is too much? Fifty six billion dollars. The
shareholders have approved it. For the Tesla shareholders have approved it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
They had two goes at that, didn't they because they
got turned down the first time.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I did a little calculation, because I think sometimes people
don't get how much a billion dollars is.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I tried to negotiate that payment for us for the
hour of radio.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Well, you know what, I worked it out. We've divided
it by three hundred and sixty five, right, and then
we've divided it by eight. And we were saying, so,
without thinking too hard, how much do you think if
we were paying you the equivalent for this hour of radio?
How much would you get?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Probably what I'm worth ten.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Thirty million dollars for one hour, for an hour, unless
I've got a few years dollars. Yeah, thirty million dollars
fifty million New Zealand. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a
lot of one.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I would take calls after hours, the phone's ring.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I'm getting thirty million dollars an hour.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
You only have to do an hour and you're sweet, Well,
you don't need anymore thirty million?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Have you? By the way, somebody struck Powerball again? Just
by the way on Wednesday? Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Would you be disappointed if you won power Ball and
it was four million having missed out on thirty million?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
No, no, no, I'd take it. Still be great, I'd
take it. Be a hard heart to be yeah, yeah,
I'd be disappointed if accidentally ten people had won the
same thing or something. It'd be like, what's the chances?
But yeah, I'll take the four million anyway. Look, we'll
be back in just a moment. News Talk said it
is twelve minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
To four.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
If you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
In the time the.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Lot and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Tim Beverbridge,
my guest, Joe McCarroll and Mark Kreisel. Guys, what did
you think of the story? A couple who were put
they both need special assistance and they were put on
the wrong plane. They had booked flights from Bristol to
Barcelona in Spain and it ended up in Lithuania and
(35:53):
they did their boarding passes were checked multiple times, but
the era wasn't spotted.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Do you know what I think is the most unbelievable thing,
Having traveled on Ryan Air quite a bit. The seats
were free, that's true, the seat How were the seats free?
Like Ryanair is books overbooked?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's the planes are rammed.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well maybe people, I have no idea. But and and
the fact that they managed maybe they had exactly the
same seat numbers. But you know what, I think it
does tell you that when the cabin crew are looking
at your boarding passes, how closely are they really looking?
Because that must be a mind numbing thing where you're
just looking at boarding pass after boarding.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Pass'd on the wrong plane before in I was living
in Wellington and I was in Napier and the Auckland
and Auckland and Wellington planes were basically on the tarmac
at the same time, so they put you out. Yeah,
I got on the Auckland plane when I was meant
to be on the Wellington one, but they picked me
up after I'd sat down.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Someone told me once that in Austria there's a counter
for people who thought they were flying to Australia. What Sorry,
there's a counter at the airport. We think there's Austria.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
That's a great.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
So many people have flown to Austria. That's not getting
on the wrong plane. Imagine they've booked their flights online.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And they haven't stopped. Christian White four thousand bucks return
or something.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
A different wardrobe, a different wardrobe.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Mentioned that, seriously, could anyone possibly have done that? There'd
be because you'd have a stop over somewhere for Austria.
You'd be why are we stopping off and sing a
porter go to Australia.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
I remember someone who was flying, because this has happened
a few times, and I remember someone who said that
that they were they didn't know why they were speaking
in Spanish on the plane. But I thought, well, if
you don't speak Spanish, you might not understand when they say, gosh,
we hope you enjoy the beautiful floral festival in Madrid.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Or of course I was thinking of people flying from
Australia from New Zealand to Australia, but of course it'd
be for people flying from.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Within America.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Austria where the kangaroos mate. Hey, by the way, she sooner, okay,
definitely not in touch with the common man. He said
that he had it tough when he was growing up,
and he went without sky as a child.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Didn't have Sky TV, didn't have any working class friends.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
He's just they're in trouble. His dad was a GP
and his mam owned a pharmacy. Why didn't you just say, look, well,
I came from an ordinary background, but my dad was
a doctor in this and finished.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
She went to a very high end private school.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Him and his wife are worth over a billion dollars
if the family.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
But I mean, there is nothing like the self pity
of the rich.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
The Tories are in real trouble. I see their third
now in the latest theform Party has gone up to
number two.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Blimey. So they could be wiped out. Well I don't
think they'd be wiped out, but I think they wonder
if Boris is going I'll come back. They just waiting
for me to return.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I actually think that's quite a serious issue. I mean,
I think the fact that you've got people in charge
who are so not like the people who are a
voting I think a democratic institution should look roughly like
the population, and I think we should be proud in
New Zealand that they are a bit more like the population.
But in America, I don't think. I think this is
(39:18):
the most private school educated members of cabinet who under
rishisunac since Liz trusts as in those are the highest ever.
I mean that's not that is not the British public,
and I think that means they're passing legislation.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
They've got a class system.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
So look, this is a problem politics anyway, because I
think that the people we are getting aren't really representative
of our communities. They're often been in Koreas their whole life,
and that's taste of them all. I just think if
they've got good ideas, I don't care where they're from.
But anyway, Hey, by the way, go get your your
copy of New Zealand Gardener magazine. It's a lovely sort
of lavender color with what's on the.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Front there Salvi is We did the national salvia collection
in Southland and I would say if you haven't to
salvia in your garden you will want one after reading
this amazing story.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Excellent. Hey, thank you so much, Mark, lovely to see you.
Is there any columns in there and Gardening leave? No,
do you need one? Well? There we go. Well you
can talk after talking the break about that. Hey, We'll
be back shortly with the one roof radio show on
tim Bebridge. It is now coming out to three minutes
to four News Talk.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
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