October 11, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Mark Crysell and Wilhelmina Shrimpton to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
NZ First kicks off their AGM, a proposal to almost double the capacity of Auckland Prison, the latest Taxpayers' Union-Curia poll, the Government asks Sport NZ to review transgender inclusion principles, a trial of fortnightly rubbish collections, and more!
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And a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday, the twelfth of October.
The year is marching on. I'm very excited. I'm always
excited about the show, and I'm very excited about this
panel with a couple of splendid panelists coming up. Hey,
by the way that I played that respect there, or
why should I say my producer tired did because I
went to a gig the Auckland Phnlemmonia with four absolutely
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stunning singers and I'm going to give it a shout
up because they're having it again in christ with Chriss
Symphony Orchestra on the Saturday, the twenty sixth of October.
It's called respect ariespec Tetes Mahal Diva Mahal, Annie Crummer,
Naomi Ferguson and Betty Ane Monger and man, what a
collection of voices and basically sol system love. So if
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We're going to chat about the ocr dropping and actually
should they have gone lower? And do they need to
keep going? Don't need to just keep bringing it down?
And also just the changes in the type of households.
One person households have increased by one hundred and twenty
thousand over the past decades, but only thirty percent of
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new builds are one or two bedrooms. A bit of
a chat about that as well, and whether they're an
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Parent Squad, talking about do you need to encourage your
kids to study and do their homework or just leave
them to it and the learn the hard way or
the easy way. So we're talking about that in the
Parents Squad from five o'clock. But right now it is
time for the panel and my first panelist, well she
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has just got engaged as well, Almina Shrimpton, and I
just want to let this roll. Are you Are you
getting excited?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
No, excited, definitely be walking down the aisle of this
banger banger.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Down they and you have got.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Of course, we sort of know your other half because
he's a ref Ben O'Keeffe and he's in the studio.
He's actually just out there now.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
He's on the other side of the glass and he's
been a yarn to someone not knowing that we're talking
about him.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Right now, turn the studio, Mike's the speakers up.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And get him on the blower. No, congratulations, thank you
so much. We're very excited, very happy.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah. I can't say it was a surprise, because when
you had talked about your relationship, I thought, God, this
sounds really exciting.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah. I feel very lucky, very special, very grateful.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
How did he ask?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So we were over in Japan and South Africa. He
had two games that he was reffing. We're there for
about two and a half weeks. We were in Cape Town.
Hired a classic car like James Bond style replica, but
an ac Cobra. Drove it down to the Cape of
Good Hope at the bottom of South Africa, drive it
up all around the coastline, stopped at a lovely lookout
point called Chapman's Peak, and then yeah, he got down
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on one knee.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Did you see it coming? Did you know what was coming?
Did you think, hmm, this feels like it's building.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I hadn't Inklan, because South Africa is really special to him.
But she went on a safari afterwards, and I thought
that if, if you know, if this was the right time,
that it might be on safari. But he picked Cape
Town and steard. She really glad he did, because then
we had four glorious days on safari and we're just
having to suck it up and marinate.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You can't exactly ask someone to marry you when watching
a line the guts out of a gazelle? Can you, well, no, what.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Was it that we saw a leopard tucking into a
wart hog? Head? Doesn't scream romance? Does that a little
crunchy little No, not fries with that exactly worthog well
godhead and.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Fries anyway, congratulations and not participating and cheering for you
because he's waiting for the introduction. Is a man who
has well, no, he needed to wait for the introduction.
He's the man who's done. What hasn't he done? Animal,
vegetable or mineral? It's Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I don't know what to find done. It actually does
remind me of Look, I'm known with Amina for a
while and I'm just so excited for her. This is amazing,
wonderful news. Is that the rock on your finger?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
This is indeed the rock.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That obviously comes from South Africa?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Does it? It does look like a.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Table New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
New Zealand bought and designed. The team at the diamond
shop did an amazing job.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And that is something else.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Man. Yeah, he did very well, very very lucky, very lucky.
I'm a very lucky lady.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It is huge. It looks like if you put your
hand on the table and you wanted someone to put
your glass, you could just rest it on the top
of that ring.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Makes for a great coaster.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Everyone, mate, you cut a hole in the windows.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We made a bit of a deal of it, but
it is Actually I was just talking to you before
we came on here, and it is just nice to
celebrate really lovely news. And as we've got to know
each other, and you know, you've you've hinted it, this
great guy, and I just thought, you know, when you
hear these things, people making a commitment, it's just fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It makes you be sure that he's here, that you
got to meet him today. You obviously tick of approval,
but late late to the party.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But you know, he looks like he's done a runner. Actually,
I think we're scared.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Head into the into the control room now.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Excellent, excellent, So congratulations, and we'll see if we can
find some other wedding theme music. Maybe we should pick
a wedding theme. We see if we can find your
wedding theme to walk down the aisle to during the
course of the show, start a poll. Okay, we better
do some talk, pack some talks and subjects and we hey,
i've lost I've suddenly forgotten how to speak. Now let's
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get into the the topics. So New Zealand. First, the
AGM has kicked off. Look, we don't really know much
about what they're going to announce. We've got Winston on
the show tomorrow. I think, yeah, oh, he's a big fan,
big fan of the Big Yeah. Absolutely him and Shane
Jones fighting them.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Off don't make him angry.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But actually I think, well, they've got one disappointing performer
I can think of. But let's New Zealand first market
doing pretty well, aren't They Always quite.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Surprising that they are getting a lot of attention, and
I think Christal Reluction has sort of let the leash
out a little bit. He doesn't, he doesn't. I think
Shane Jones has had his head pulled in a few times.
But I mean Winston's always pretty good in government, apart
from when he throws at his he fit and walks out.
But as a finance sorry as a foreign minister, he's
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been pretty successful. He's got that elder statesman vibe about him.
He's out of the country a lot, which must be
very relaxing for Christopher Luxon and Shane Jones. It feels
like he can say anything he likes. But he's bringing
attention to them, and he's hitting a constituency that is
liking what they I say. They're up in the latest poll.
You know, we're going to get ready unprecedented, you know
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for a third party in a coalition government.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Actually, I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
What's your impression of the New Zealand first, but in
particular I guess they're high profile ministers obviously.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
To me, I just feel like they're just the old faithful,
you know, they're the old school kind of party that's
always kind of there, chugging along. And this line actually
stood out to me on our panel topic notes here
Peters did not kick off the conference in Hamilton to
any bells and whistles, So it's like they don't need
the bells and whistles. Everyone knows them. They don't need
the fancy frills of fancy marketing. They're just there that
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the old faithful. They're chugging along and he just seems
to keep popping up the.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Third oldest, the third oldest political party in New Zealand.
Now they've been around, you know, quite a while, and
it's you know, it's the same geek every time they
go around. They hit the same notes.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
And a loyal following loyal they say, and quite surprisingly,
when you go to one of their conferences, a lot
of new New Zealanders, you know, sort of immigrants who
join and and it brought into the vision the Winston's
vision of New Zealand's, which is.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Kind of ironic given.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It says someone appalling things during the election just to
get attention.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
There are two Winston Peters and there's the one who
I I would say I came close to loathing almost
when he's politicking, when he's when he's campaigning. I didn't
really like the Winston Peters that campaign for the election.
But I've done a complete one eighty or three sixty
or whatever you call it. I think it's one eighty
three sixty because back where you started.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
In the second at the beginning, I did.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I'm a big fan of his and I love
the fact that he had that sort of he's sort
of got that he's been around long enough and he's
got the marna that he could even tell off the
United Nations for talking while he was while he was
in the Night Nations, he said, and there's a third principle.
It was about Harmassos Or and Russia, and there's a
third principle, and that's when somebody is speaking, you be
quiet and listen. And I was like, I love your fight.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I have seen him. I saw him at Chunk Beer
in Gallipoli one year, giving the sort of keynote speech there,
and it was incredible. It was one of the best
pieces of oratory I've seen. And when he by a
New Zealander and when he when he directs that righteous anger,
that righteousness, it's really powerful. And he talked about the
futility of war and the New Zealanders had come from
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so far away and died on foreign soils for foreign soil,
and it was really powerful. So properly directed. When he's focusing,
he's also good. But I also think that if politicians
around long enough, they can slip from loathaball to lovable,
and I think that happened to Rob Muldoon.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
That happened to understand the test of time. I feel
like he can be an absolute savage, but people respect
him for some of the things that he says that
I think a lot of people potentially might be too
afraid to say, and so perhaps he's the voice of
someone who might be a little bit reluctant to say
something in this day and age, and I think people
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probably respect him for that, even though he might rub
people up the wrong way. But yeah, absolute savage sometimes, but.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I think probably they do have one week Minister who
I'm wondering, how long is your last is Casey Costello? Yeah,
and her portfolio And regardless of the arguments where you
want here to back on all this stuff, it's just
her handling of things has been pretty much.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Looks like she's just on a Google search.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I've got some independent device type and headed tobacco versus
Fates versus smoking, and here they are. Here's my research.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, and also I mean I think I think they
can get stuck in the cultural wars a little bit
much when really we've got so much more that we
need to get on with. Let's see what happens with
the mining and the fast track legislation and how well
they hold the nerve through that, because there'll be a
lot of people angry about some of those things that
are being pushed through.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But on that, this is a beautiful segway, think courtesy
of Mark.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Something through on this morning.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Here's what I prepared earlier, the proposal to almost double
the capacity of Auckland prison. So there's a proposal of
the fast Track project that says is blowing the cover
on a proposal that would allow the capacity to be
almost doubled, even though there are no there are no
mediate plans, but it's it's going to be fast track
so they can respond quicker or any future increases in demand. Actually,
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I mean it's just I don't have any objection of this. Really,
if you need more prison beds, then you don't want
to exactly go on the slow bite to China with
the approvals? Do you will a Meana?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I think you know, increasing the capacity is obviously good.
There's a sort of a crackdown on crime, so likely
more people going into prisons. But I think as long
as there's a two pronged approach and we're able to
house these people in prisons, but also there's a lot
of effort and resource and money and time put into rehabilitation.
We can't just throw them into prison and they're not
rehabilitate them properly, because then that doesn't do anything to
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effect or change recidivis defenders. I think that's the really
important thing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah. I take Bill English's lyne on prisons that there
are a moral and fiscal failure and they just don't work.
People who go into prison just come out better prisoners.
I mean, and the problem is we yo yo around.
We have one government who says we're going to cut
the prison population, and then crime increases, or we get
to have a particularly dastardly crime, a horrible crime cap happens,
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and then the other political party says we need to
be tough on crime, so we start throwing people back
in prison again. But we have to think of a
better way that we just can't write off people all
the time put them in prison. I get it, people
are victims. You need punishment and things like this, but
this just doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What about the programs in prison? I mean, well, if
there are enough of them, because obviously there are some
people who would need to be put somewhere right away
from us, away from us, away from us. But as yeah,
I think what we're lacking is the is the rehabilitation programs.
And I know that there are some things in place,
but I just don't think it goes far enough, you.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Know, Yeah, I mean that there's I forget the statistics
with very high levels of people that go straight back
inside within six months to a year, and.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
They don't have the connection with the family community outside.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Their families Also, I remember once years ago meeting a
guy at a party. He was in his fifties. We
started talking tolmy he been in an out of prisoner
his whole life, but he's on the straight and narrow
now and I said, he said, you know the most
heartbreaking thing. I said, well, he said, last week I
visited my son in prison.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So that pattern goes on and on and on. We're
not fixing it. At the same time, I see with
the government's cutting funding for a parenting program that was
helping people with kids. But we can put more money
into prisons, but we can't address the root cause very.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, prevention, right.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
It is difficult because there's almost like you look at
Scandinavian prisons and where they still they still lock people
up and they but there's a different social contract. It's
not just about how they treat prisoners. There's just a
whole contract with the way society is over there and
their attitudes towards offending and reoffending and rehabilitation. So it's
not just I mean, at the moment, I think unfortunately
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prisons are what we we have to go with. But
I don't know how you reform it unless you have
an almost whole overhaul of society of the way everyone
views crime and punishment, including the criminals.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
By the way, when you look at the likes of
what everything happen with ram raids and smash and grabs,
And I remember interviewing a couple of ram raiders when
I did a documentary a couple of couple of years ago,
and interviewing I think a fourteen and a fifteen year old,
and the fourteen year old was like, the reason why
I do this is because I've got no family connections,
I've got no sense of community, and I find the
sense of community somewhere else, which is with gangs or
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with crime, and that makes me feel like I have
a place in the world and I'm cared for and
people care about me. So I totally agree with around
actually putting money in programs into stopping things from happening
in the first place. There are so many opportunities that
kids miss out on. They don't have a purpose, there's
nothing motivating them or stopping them from doing something like this.
Give them a sense of community that isn't driving them
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to ram raids or smashing grabs.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
All right, we've solved it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Gags with communities. By the way, the.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Latest problem we've you touched on that earlier is a
little teaser.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well done, you teaser seguey.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Magnificent, he came to work today. But I think actually
maybe that's so it's showed a surprise drop. I guess
for National down four point one percent. I don't know
what the standard of mugin deviation is whatever, but anyway,
it does seem slightly surprising that they're down as much
as that Labor at three point six, which to me
is also equally surprising. But I do wonder if there's
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something in the in what we were talking about before with
New Zealand first that they are up almost one point
to seven point six actors up to ten percent. Whether
the minor parties are having quite a good time right now.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Mark, Well, they're making a lot of the running, aren't they.
They're getting a lot of attention with their with the
policies that they signed in the coalition agreement, so I
think that that's part of it. I also think the government,
and I think that especially the National Party, will wanting
to push through as much of the hard stuff in
their first year, and the probably it's probably a reaction
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to that. But I'll tell you what this health stuff
that is going to keep hurting until they sort it out.
It is people are really starting to worry you now
about the coal to the other, the public health system.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
The lines outside GP officers, the primary health care access
for years as well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, and it's just got worse and worse and worse.
And I think there's a you know, we brought in
all these nurses and now you know they're here and
they can't get jobs. You know, it's expensive to run.
It's getting more expensive as we get older and people
stay alive for longer. So yeah, unless they can get
a handle on this quick, there's going to be more
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shedding of support than the polls.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Look, I mean it's not like it's a problem that's
the government's making either.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't know, but the House do we look.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
At hospital as well? That would have been a big
clincher because when was when were these poll results gathered?
Was that after you know, I was that after all
those protests around this, you know, I mean I feel
like that would have a massive contributing No, I think.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It certainly doesn't doned it, But beyond that, I don't
know how much people actually engaged with that because.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I'd say cue the whole South Island there, because we
had also massive for the West coast, but big demonstrations
on the West Coast where they were also unhappy about
the quality of their health care treatment. We've got the
stuff happening in Dargerville where they don't even have any
doctors on. I mean, it's just it's you know, if
you're sick and you're not close to a big hospital,
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I'll be a bit worried.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And it's been ongoing for years and years, and I
remember talking about this couple on air of three four
years ago, and it's just bad. It's bad, and people
keep saying, you know, people are going to die, and
I know their happy situations where it has happened.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Well, keep your health insurance up if you can afford it.
So that's all I can say. Right, we're going to
take a quick break, come back with more my panelists,
Mark Kreisel and Wilhelmina Shrimpton. I don't know why to
put a bit of a German w on there, didn't
I Wilhelmina, the newly engaged Wilhelmina. And we'll be back
in just a moment. It's twenty five past three.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Love and marriage, Love and the marriage. They go all
together like a horse and carriage. Yes, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You know, I don't think that's the one to walk
down the aisle?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Are we going to have a marriage related engagement related song?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Everycently, I suspect we will. My producer Tira is onto
it and she loves it. She loves to theme music
with whatever the topic or the person is. So I
think we're going to go with I love that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I feel like people should submit their suggestions for down
the aisle walking down that? What is it called precession
procession song?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Processional the bridle? You know the bridal procession down the ile? Yeah,
you know where the bride turns up, you know. Mark
Kreisel and Wilhelmina Shrimpton are my guests, and this is
the panel in the WEEKN Collective. I'm Ton Beverage. And yes,
Wilhelmina has an Austra engagement. You can go read about it.
It's in the media. She's all over the place. There'll
be a billboard, there'll be a two billboard about it soon.
But we'll get about that in the moment. Actually, we
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should actually know, let's come back with us later because
we've got more serious topics to talk about. Look, this
is always so fraught, this one. The government is asking
sport in New Zealand to review transgender and illusion principles.
And of course it's a hot topic when it comes
to people competing on Really you know, people who were
formerly biological male who have transgend have transitioned to being female,
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and there are examples where it's just plain not fair.
But then again, how do you incorporate this where people
can enjoy sport no matter what your sexuality and identity is.
And I tend to go running screaming into the hills
on this topic, and except when it comes to professional,
top level sport, where I think it's a no brainer.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah. Sorry, Mark's not here at the moment. What he
doesn't want to talk about this either.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Oh really, Oh you order it. Mark loves talking about
transgender issues.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Right, We've got the Mark answer.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's the subject.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
No, no, I was going to say. I think you're right.
It is a very difficult, complex topic. I think it's
important that guidelines and inclusion principles are updated and constantly.
There's obviously more information, there's more discussions. New things come
out all the time, so it's really important that things
are updated. I think it's really important that they engage
thoughts and opinions from all parts of society, including those
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who are transgender to themselves, because often the people who
are at the root of the issue are not spoken
to in situations like this. So I think it's really important,
and I think that goes for a lot of things
in this world. There are a lot of really antiquated policies,
principles that should be updated. So I think it's an
important discussion.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Actually, the issue of gender and sport. For getting the
transgender side of things, I wonder if they can have
to review the whole thing. My daughter's netball she's eleven,
just gone on gone twelve, and they have her age boys.
They can have three boys in a netball team. And
she was playing for her school and we're talking eleven
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eleven year old girls. There was a boy who had
hit puberty early. He was six foot two and he
had a mustache. Oh my god, a whispy, clark gable mustache.
And I'm like, but seriously, it was eleven or twelve
years old, and I was like, well, this is patently ridiculous.
And you know what, the girls are just like you
could just see them go our stuff this. Yeah, it
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just that sucked the energy out of their participation. I
think that it is an issue that needs to be
taken seriously by especially you know Auckland Netball, New Zealand
Netborn and things like that, because there is there are
some boy Yeah it's fine sometimes and other times it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
That's a good point. And my own daughter Edie, who
plays netball and has had boys and basketball, is the
big one. At the moment, they're boys in the team.
And I've noticed over the past year or so she's
eleven as well that the boys have shot up and
she got wiped out broke her wrist the other week
playing basketball, and I'm like, that's it. We're going to
set up an all girls team just playing girls. So
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I think there is a point when boys and girls
can play together when they're younger. Except the boys never
passed the ball. They're genetically incapable of doing it. They
will never pass the ball to girls. But that's another issue.
I think it has to be looked at. But we
also have to take into account that these are difficult
conversations to have that can be very tough for the
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people involved in it and hurtful. So you know it
has to be done with respect. But we also have
to have an open discussion about it because in sports
like boxing or rugby that are physical where people get hurt,
then there's danger of, like I say, people for somebody
who didn't have much to say about this, Mark, well.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
We did returned, he returned oleft your message and he
returned our call.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I actually did.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Shift the topic slightly as well. She would rather you
sent me a text.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Actually it was my birthday. My daughter raises birthday a
couple of days ago as well, So that's why I
said eleven going on twelve, eleven gone twelve. She's got
no she has. It's genetically inherited. She actually makes her
birthday last a week and she's inherited that.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We all come on, come on, I'll talk.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
To Ben about that and find out how that. Gosh,
we're just we're fizzing at the bark, aren't we really? Anyway,
Auckland are now dumb ideas. Sorry, Auckland is going to trial.
They're going to trial a fortnightly general waste rubbish collection
(24:27):
for ten thousand households for seven months. For some reason,
it's going to cost up to one point seven million.
So they're going to collect it fortnightly instead of weekly,
but it's going to cost more anyway. They think it's
going to be a way of reducing rubbish because they're
only going to collect it every two weeks. You know what,
I'm just going to say it, you're still sticking our
(24:49):
rates up through the roof. Collect my bloody rubbish once
a week, you dickheads, and.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Then put your rates up even more.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, but seriously, come on, what do you do roads
and rubbish and other bits of infrastructure rubbish? I mean,
just collect my bins and just stop this nonsense.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Can I have a little vent just quickly, because this
is rubbish related obviously some topic. I'm assuming both of
you don't live on the shore. No, No, okay, right,
I've got a bone to pick with the shore rubbish
collection situation. Not only do we pay rates, but then
we've also got to buy bloody bin tags and they
are bloody expensive. I'm not kidding. So you've got to
get these rubbih bin tags that you attached to a
(25:28):
rubbish bin every single Sunday and they won't collect your
rubbish because they're milking us for all we.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Will hang on and then I'm not different.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Six six different tags and they were it costs like
forty bars, but you're the same. It's just we're one
big council. We're not north Shore City anymore. We're one
big city. And it just irks me when I have
to go. Didn't to countdown and ask for six times
six orange rubbish tags and it cost me forty five dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Runing listeners and looks like he's about to explode over
this one.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
No, No, I'm fine.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You don't live on the shore.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Just actually, it's good to know a little bit more
about Willemina. She's a sure girl.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So I can I just say I think we could
do the the fortnight they pick up we could, Or
about the rubbish you take into your house. We got
a worm bin love my worm bin love. It takes
all the vegetable scraps we use the food scraps thing.
That's been great, liking that. And with the recycling and
(26:29):
the red bins, I reckon we could do it in
two weeks. It's mainly just plastic.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
We recycle we do the food bind too. We actually
do do the food scraps. I'm feeling quite virtually.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
She had a maggot problem with our food scrap bend,
which was not a vibe.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, cats have worked out how to get into it.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
When you think that it's rice on the floor and
it's moving rice, it's not fun.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, it was discover that on just a nice home
romantic evening. Did you did you spill some rice on
the on the floor line?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Why is that grain of rice moving?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Can I actually, I know I'm not just to look
at the text thing, but it says tag stopping soon.
Somebody is actually I've got your own text machine. I
don't tell them.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Don't have to turn turn that one off?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
But not actually I think this And so the one
thing I did forget to add is I think it's
ending soon. I don't know when it is. But until then,
I'm still dark about spending forty five dollars on six.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
But it does seem a little strange. There is a
regional difference with an all lie I know.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, anyway, all the suggestions for a song, Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Now, don't look at that. I have to turn that off.
We can't have the guest read in the text because
you might see some hate mail. It might be just
weak my hat mail. Anyway, We're going to take a
quick moment because we are going to We're going to
turn the corner on a few interesting little stories that
are coming up in just a moment, including I'm interesting
to see someone has had the same idea about the
Marrico Copa family and how we should catch them. Catch them? Oh,
(27:52):
what the hell find them? That's the one twenty two
minutes to four news Talks.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
He'd be say, well, mean it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
And welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My guests are
Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Mark Kreisel, and if you've just tuned
and the Red we're playing a lot of getting married
songs because Wilhelmina is engaged to her lovely fiance Ben
O'Keefe's quite a good looking guy. Actually, I think you
know they say that look normally the camera makes you.
I don't know whether the camera flatters you when you're
on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But he scrubs up quite well.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Doesn't he does? He does?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, he's pretty We're.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Going to keep flogging the wedding thing. I'm going to
talk about this. I'm going to talk about it for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Don't ask him that's what he was I.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Should I'm pretty expensive.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Can you one of those can be one of those
MC slash celebrants slash DJ slash.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Actually, I do have the song for you, for you
to walk down the aisle too, and I'm going to
give it to my producer quietly and we'll plant the
next start. It's actually you'll know it and b U
n G by the way, Okay, don't keep saying it anyway. Hey, look, look,
(29:25):
let's talk about some other things. It feels depressing, doesn't
that we need to find some happy stories. But the
record number of kiwis leaving New Zealand, that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, Actually the rest of us left behind.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
No, I mean, look, I think there was a lag, right,
There are a lot of people who held off leaving
the country during COVID that we're going to go and
do their oe and they didn't do it, and so
there's a lag and there's also but I mean, I
think most New Zealanders come back, they get out into
the world, they have a good look around. I think,
you know, that's just normal part of being in New Zealand,
(29:58):
they're living at the bottom of the world. Basically.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I agree. I think there's been a lag differently after
after COVID, so many people doing their are ees. I
know there's some frustration around the cost of living and
people are leaving for a better life in Australia, but
actually the cost of living crisis is happening where everywhere,
and I know of a lot of people who have
made the jump to Australia and they're still actually struggling
over there. I think if people move, it should be
about getting the experience.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I mean, it's a net migration gain of fifty three thousand,
which is I mean, think how many people here we've
brought in from overseas, because there were over one thousand
Kiwis who left. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The worrying thing is we're not getting many coming wanting
to come and live here.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Now here's the thing, though, I have a suspicion just
from my memories of reading the newspaper and Mum and
Dad had finished with it and there was a there
was a listeners do you want I just meant I
wasn't a huge news consumer, but I remember certain things
and they had a copy of the listener and the
cover of the listener was with the last person to
leave New Zealand please turn out the lights. And this
(30:59):
is going at twenty or thirty years And I think
it's just I think that it's part of the way
we are, that we are instantly importing people and exporting
people because that's New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
It doesn't it happen everywhere. Do people leave and come
and go and they pursue different opportunities. I mean, I
know we are a country at the bottom the world,
and it's probably more motivation for people to get out
and experience something else.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's hard to go away for a weekend to another country.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You can't exactly go to Paris for the weekend where
you can.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It's just it's exhausting.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, turn around and come back.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
You're on the plane the whole time I.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Spent I mean, I've always spent ten or fifteen years
living outside in New Zealand and it was amazing. I'd
recommend it to anybody. But I'm back here now and contributing.
The problem I see in these numbers is that we're
not getting a lot of migrants and at the moment
that's dropped right away, and that is a concern because
they drive economicly.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Hang on, what do you mean, we're not getting a
lot of migrants. The only reason we've got fifty three
thousand gain is because we've got a truckload of migrants.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, but that's dropping sharply.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's still a lot though, ten thousand migrants coming here
one hundred and ten thousands we had.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
There's been record numbers over the past few months.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Last yeah, I think last year wasn't I know.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I'm definitely recalling the past few months. This year there
was record migration numbers. My concern is not having enough
housing to keep up with demand. School that's the problem.
Schools and resources and infrastructure, and that's the problem. And look, obviously,
if it is declining ever so slightly, is that necessarily
a bad thing. While we obviously build up our infrastructure
and all of our housing stock.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's right. In an ideal world, This migration drives those
sorts of things, creates demand. We build more roads, more houses.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
There's always a lag, right, You've got to have the
time to.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Build quick question. Quick question, if you were going to
be someone who's going to leave the country and live
somewhere anywhere overseas, Mark Krassel, Where would you go? Where
would you?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I really like France, Bengo for America America as well.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
If I afford it, I'd move to the Latin quarter
of Paris. Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I think there'd probably be two places. One South Africa,
he really liked. So I really liked Cape Town or
Amsterdam because I'm half Dutch and I just love those
that you know, walking around all the buildings are one
ki and everyone eats meat and cheese for breakfast, and
these people.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Great, Adam, great, Mark with your with your fancy new
bike you've got?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, thank you?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Have you got? What's your bike?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
He's got a knee bike. It's very flash.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
It's environmentally friendly.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, and I've been a k ee bike for a
few years now. This isn't a new thing. I think.
I think you're getting carried away.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Well. When I saw you ride off when we caught
up the other day when we had a coffee to
say hi the other day and I saw you ride off,
I thought, oh, he's saying, just learnt to ride.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That was trick riding.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
He just got the training room.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I was waiting to see where you had seen the
guy who walked in front of you, and I was like, oh,
this could be fun. Oh no, I saw him, but
he didn't see That's the one. Hey, look, just before
we hit the break the sighting of the Maricopa family,
and I had a conversation with a friend of mine
about this, who said, why don't they just send the
essays and not to hunt them down, but just you know,
this is what they do, send them in to locate
(34:11):
them and just radio to the police and say and
just stalk them for a while. And anyway, that's what
somebody else's former essays persons come out and said they
could do it, and the police wouldn't comment, which makes
me wonder whether they're sending the essays and following.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
What do you think secret? I find this whole situation
incredibly fascinating, and the fact that it's gone on for
so so long. And look, obviously there are ways that
you can get lost in New Zealand bush right, but
it's only so big. So I just don't understand how
he's managed to evade authorities for so long, but with
help with well exactly who's helping him. I also think,
(34:46):
though thankfully obviously that video would have been really traumatizing
for the mum and really hard for the family who
were left behind, But at least it was able to
give them an indication of what state the kids were in.
And you know, obviously they didn't look like they were
in distress by the sounds of it. There was a
bit of an exchange between those young kids who were hunting,
and they didn't seem to be upset, So I feel
(35:08):
like that is reassuring. But it just boggles my mind
that this is dragged on.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, and it's it's like a
Hunt for the Wilder People type it is Ricky Baker.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yes, Ricky Baker.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's not funny, actually, it's it's actually an horrendous situation.
And if those kids are sort of compliant and just
walking through, you know, what kind of world are they
expecting is coming after them? I mean, what are they
going to be like when they are.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Rescued and what have they been led to believe? Because
if they're not in obviously a situation where they are distressed,
what has been fed to them and told? What has
he told them? How are they just just I can't
believe it's gone on for so long. I don't. I
just don't understand, you know, a large amount of bush.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But seriously, I don't know why they I mean, they
don't need to send people in like their hunting animals,
but just sending people, you know, send in the essays and.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Like in that article, you know there are some you know,
there are you know, if they're if they're hunting and
they're cooking by a fire, surely it's easy to track
them down from there.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
It just, yeah, it blows me away that they can't. Yeah,
it's anyway, lock fingers. What will happen is I guess
whatever they're doing, they're not going to tell us what
they're doing, are they? If you were here a police
they could. I mean it says right now that they've
called off the active search. I would if I was
the police commission to be saying we've stopped searching now,
even if I wouldn't be telling the truth on this,
I would be like, no, we're still searching.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I kind of wonder what sort of colms they have anyway,
and that that that's that's that's target country down there.
That's pretty thick deep bush.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Not literally of course that would be a news flash.
It concerns me that in the Southland eaten by the panther.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
It's concerning that perhaps there's no sense of urgency because
the kids are seemingly okay, and I wonder whether there's
an element of that at play. You know, if the
kids were clearly in distress, maybe they looked like they
were struggling physical, would there be more of a sense eurgency.
And it shouldn't take that to get over the line.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
No, it's unbelievable. It's gone on for so long.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Anyway, Look, we're going to come back. We can take
a quick quick breathe and have a cup of tea
and a lie down. We'll be back in about a
couple of minutes. It's ten to two four news Talk
said b She maybe.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
The beauty, maybe the fast.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Each day too.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You're out of control, you're out of control.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
This is a great this is a great song to
walk into. She may be the face. I can't it's
she if the.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Many bends a beast.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
No, no, no, it's just like it's whatever she is.
It's like, she may be she may be this and that,
she may be the famine or the feast.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
She but and the lyrics are it's going to tell
Ben that you think he's a based No.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, she may be the beauty or the beast, that's your.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
Want.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
What did you walk down? Well, I'm waiting there. Generally
the bridegroom is actually waiting. All she walked in because
it's Anne Marie and she's known as Annie, and she
walked into John Denver's Annie's song and I completely like,
I was like a trembling low, a trembling lower alpe.
Just it's usually the guy who goes.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Actually, yes, that's my favorite part of a wedding, as
you see the bride come out and you turn around
and look straight at.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
The room and get racking man standing up there bride
came down to at last Jons.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Oh yeah, that's a good one too, very good souldiery.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
People, if you've got any suggestions for wedding songs for
Wilhelmina to walk down the aisle to when she marries
her lovely lovely chap Been O'Keefe, because they've just announced
her engagement, then you can text them and I'll pass
it on to Wilhelmina. You can email me Tim b
at News Talks Beat Dot curded in Zen and we'll
drop a short list.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
We could do a mash up, we could put all
of them in together.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Let's not do it, hey quickly. Look, there's only about
a minute to go. But this discovery of the remains
of the one of the two mountaineers that they suspected
might have summited Everest have been found. It doesn't really
tell us much. It's just there's been a foot found.
Andrew Sandy Irvine, what did you What do you make
(39:21):
of it?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I think it's really fascinating. Fascinating when there's fines like this,
you know, it feels kind of Indiana Jones kind of vibes,
you know, kind of stumbling across hidden treasure or you know,
that type of thing. But how are we going to
prove whether or not he was there before Sir Edmund Hillary?
You know, I think the antin zing the question is obviously,
did he make it to the summit and then died
(39:43):
after coming backdown or was it on the way up.
I don't think that this takes anything away from what
Sir Edmund's done.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Well basically says if you're going to get up, you've
got to get down again, and we know he did that,
so there we go, fair Mark.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, I mean I know the Brits are desperate to
claim it. Yeah yeah, well that's true.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But Jimmy Spittle's great great great grandfather apparently that's an
America's Cup reference. Oh quickly, are you going to be
watching the America's Cup at all?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Checking out the inside of my eyelids about that time?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
No, I mean when you wake up anyway. Hey, look,
we've got to run because there's barely anytime again once again, well,
I mean you're lovely to see Congratulations to you, Mark,
lovely to see you again, and we look forward to
having these two in the studio again. You can check
out the podcast for the Weekend Collective, but we are
coming back with one roof radio show, Debi Robertsons joining
us on Tim Beverage. This is the Weekend Collective on
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Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday, the twelfth of October.
The year is marching on. I'm very excited. I'm always
excited about the show, and I'm very excited about this
panel with a couple of splendid panelists coming up. Hey,
by the way that I played that respect there, or
why should I say my producer tired did because I
went to a gig the Auckland Phnlemmonia with four absolutely
(01:07):
stunning singers and I'm going to give it a shout
up because they're having it again in christ with Chriss
Symphony Orchestra on the Saturday, the twenty sixth of October.
It's called respect ariespec Tetes Mahal Diva Mahal, Annie Crummer,
Naomi Ferguson and Betty Ane Monger and man, what a
collection of voices and basically sol system love. So if
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you haven't got a ticket. You should get along right
now just looking ahead to the show, and if you
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go and check out our magnificent podcast on the look
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iHeartRadio is a good starting point. You can text me
anytime by the way nine two nine two. And if
you're not in a hurry to be at news talks,
head beat at curt it in z. But after four
(01:50):
o'clock for the one Roof Property Hour one roof Radio
show Should I Say? And we're joined by Debbie Roberts.
We're going to chat about the ocr dropping and actually
should they have gone lower? And do they need to
keep going? Don't need to just keep bringing it down?
And also just the changes in the type of households.
One person households have increased by one hundred and twenty
thousand over the past decades, but only thirty percent of
(02:10):
new builds are one or two bedrooms. A bit of
a chat about that as well, and whether they're an
investment or not. And Catherine Burke joins us for the
Parent Squad, talking about do you need to encourage your
kids to study and do their homework or just leave
them to it and the learn the hard way or
the easy way. So we're talking about that in the
Parents Squad from five o'clock. But right now it is
time for the panel and my first panelist, well she
(02:33):
has just got engaged as well, Almina Shrimpton, and I
just want to let this roll. Are you Are you
getting excited?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
No, excited, definitely be walking down the aisle of this
banger banger.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Down they and you have got.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Of course, we sort of know your other half because
he's a ref Ben O'Keeffe and he's in the studio.
He's actually just out there now.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
He's on the other side of the glass and he's
been a yarn to someone not knowing that we're talking
about him.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Right now, turn the studio, Mike's the speakers up.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And get him on the blower. No, congratulations, thank you
so much. We're very excited, very happy.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah. I can't say it was a surprise, because when
you had talked about your relationship, I thought, God, this
sounds really exciting.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah. I feel very lucky, very special, very grateful.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
How did he ask?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So we were over in Japan and South Africa. He
had two games that he was reffing. We're there for
about two and a half weeks. We were in Cape Town.
Hired a classic car like James Bond style replica, but
an ac Cobra. Drove it down to the Cape of
Good Hope at the bottom of South Africa, drive it
up all around the coastline, stopped at a lovely lookout
point called Chapman's Peak, and then yeah, he got down
(03:58):
on one knee.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Did you see it coming? Did you know what was coming?
Did you think, hmm, this feels like it's building.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I hadn't Inklan, because South Africa is really special to him.
But she went on a safari afterwards, and I thought
that if, if you know, if this was the right time,
that it might be on safari. But he picked Cape
Town and steard. She really glad he did, because then
we had four glorious days on safari and we're just
having to suck it up and marinate.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You can't exactly ask someone to marry you when watching
a line the guts out of a gazelle? Can you, well, no, what.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Was it that we saw a leopard tucking into a
wart hog? Head? Doesn't scream romance? Does that a little
crunchy little No, not fries with that exactly worthog well
godhead and.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Fries anyway, congratulations and not participating and cheering for you
because he's waiting for the introduction. Is a man who
has well, no, he needed to wait for the introduction.
He's the man who's done. What hasn't he done? Animal,
vegetable or mineral? It's Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I don't know what to find done. It actually does
remind me of Look, I'm known with Amina for a
while and I'm just so excited for her. This is amazing,
wonderful news. Is that the rock on your finger?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
This is indeed the rock.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That obviously comes from South Africa?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Does it? It does look like a.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Table New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
New Zealand bought and designed. The team at the diamond
shop did an amazing job.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And that is something else.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Man. Yeah, he did very well, very very lucky, very lucky.
I'm a very lucky lady.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It is huge. It looks like if you put your
hand on the table and you wanted someone to put
your glass, you could just rest it on the top
of that ring.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Makes for a great coaster.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Everyone, mate, you cut a hole in the windows.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We made a bit of a deal of it, but
it is Actually I was just talking to you before
we came on here, and it is just nice to
celebrate really lovely news. And as we've got to know
each other, and you know, you've you've hinted it, this
great guy, and I just thought, you know, when you
hear these things, people making a commitment, it's just fantastic.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
It makes you be sure that he's here, that you
got to meet him today. You obviously tick of approval,
but late late to the party.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But you know, he looks like he's done a runner. Actually,
I think we're scared.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Head into the into the control room now.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Excellent, excellent, So congratulations, and we'll see if we can
find some other wedding theme music. Maybe we should pick
a wedding theme. We see if we can find your
wedding theme to walk down the aisle to during the
course of the show, start a poll. Okay, we better
do some talk, pack some talks and subjects and we hey,
i've lost I've suddenly forgotten how to speak. Now let's
(06:29):
get into the the topics. So New Zealand. First, the
AGM has kicked off. Look, we don't really know much
about what they're going to announce. We've got Winston on
the show tomorrow. I think, yeah, oh, he's a big fan,
big fan of the Big Yeah. Absolutely him and Shane
Jones fighting them.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Off don't make him angry.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But actually I think, well, they've got one disappointing performer
I can think of. But let's New Zealand first market
doing pretty well, aren't They Always quite.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Surprising that they are getting a lot of attention, and
I think Christal Reluction has sort of let the leash
out a little bit. He doesn't, he doesn't. I think
Shane Jones has had his head pulled in a few times.
But I mean Winston's always pretty good in government, apart
from when he throws at his he fit and walks out.
But as a finance sorry as a foreign minister, he's
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been pretty successful. He's got that elder statesman vibe about him.
He's out of the country a lot, which must be
very relaxing for Christopher Luxon and Shane Jones. It feels
like he can say anything he likes. But he's bringing
attention to them, and he's hitting a constituency that is
liking what they I say. They're up in the latest poll.
You know, we're going to get ready unprecedented, you know
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for a third party in a coalition government.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Actually, I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
What's your impression of the New Zealand first, but in
particular I guess they're high profile ministers obviously.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
To me, I just feel like they're just the old faithful,
you know, they're the old school kind of party that's
always kind of there, chugging along. And this line actually
stood out to me on our panel topic notes here
Peters did not kick off the conference in Hamilton to
any bells and whistles, So it's like they don't need
the bells and whistles. Everyone knows them. They don't need
the fancy frills of fancy marketing. They're just there that
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the old faithful. They're chugging along and he just seems
to keep popping up the.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Third oldest, the third oldest political party in New Zealand.
Now they've been around, you know, quite a while, and
it's you know, it's the same geek every time they
go around. They hit the same notes.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
And a loyal following loyal they say, and quite surprisingly,
when you go to one of their conferences, a lot
of new New Zealanders, you know, sort of immigrants who
join and and it brought into the vision the Winston's
vision of New Zealand's, which is.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Kind of ironic given.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It says someone appalling things during the election just to
get attention.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
There are two Winston Peters and there's the one who
I I would say I came close to loathing almost
when he's politicking, when he's when he's campaigning. I didn't
really like the Winston Peters that campaign for the election.
But I've done a complete one eighty or three sixty
or whatever you call it. I think it's one eighty
three sixty because back where you started.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
In the second at the beginning, I did.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I'm a big fan of his and I love
the fact that he had that sort of he's sort
of got that he's been around long enough and he's
got the marna that he could even tell off the
United Nations for talking while he was while he was
in the Night Nations, he said, and there's a third principle.
It was about Harmassos Or and Russia, and there's a
third principle, and that's when somebody is speaking, you be
quiet and listen. And I was like, I love your fight.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I have seen him. I saw him at Chunk Beer
in Gallipoli one year, giving the sort of keynote speech there,
and it was incredible. It was one of the best
pieces of oratory I've seen. And when he by a
New Zealander and when he when he directs that righteous anger,
that righteousness, it's really powerful. And he talked about the
futility of war and the New Zealanders had come from
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so far away and died on foreign soils for foreign soil,
and it was really powerful. So properly directed. When he's focusing,
he's also good. But I also think that if politicians
around long enough, they can slip from loathaball to lovable,
and I think that happened to Rob Muldoon.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
That happened to understand the test of time. I feel
like he can be an absolute savage, but people respect
him for some of the things that he says that
I think a lot of people potentially might be too
afraid to say, and so perhaps he's the voice of
someone who might be a little bit reluctant to say
something in this day and age, and I think people
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probably respect him for that, even though he might rub
people up the wrong way. But yeah, absolute savage sometimes, but.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I think probably they do have one week Minister who
I'm wondering, how long is your last is Casey Costello? Yeah,
and her portfolio And regardless of the arguments where you
want here to back on all this stuff, it's just
her handling of things has been pretty much.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Looks like she's just on a Google search.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I've got some independent device type and headed tobacco versus
Fates versus smoking, and here they are. Here's my research.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, and also I mean I think I think they
can get stuck in the cultural wars a little bit
much when really we've got so much more that we
need to get on with. Let's see what happens with
the mining and the fast track legislation and how well
they hold the nerve through that, because there'll be a
lot of people angry about some of those things that
are being pushed through.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
But on that, this is a beautiful segway, think courtesy
of Mark.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Something through on this morning.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Here's what I prepared earlier, the proposal to almost double
the capacity of Auckland prison. So there's a proposal of
the fast Track project that says is blowing the cover
on a proposal that would allow the capacity to be
almost doubled, even though there are no there are no
mediate plans, but it's it's going to be fast track
so they can respond quicker or any future increases in demand. Actually,
(12:10):
I mean it's just I don't have any objection of this. Really,
if you need more prison beds, then you don't want
to exactly go on the slow bite to China with
the approvals? Do you will a Meana?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I think you know, increasing the capacity is obviously good.
There's a sort of a crackdown on crime, so likely
more people going into prisons. But I think as long
as there's a two pronged approach and we're able to
house these people in prisons, but also there's a lot
of effort and resource and money and time put into rehabilitation.
We can't just throw them into prison and they're not
rehabilitate them properly, because then that doesn't do anything to
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effect or change recidivis defenders. I think that's the really
important thing.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah. I take Bill English's lyne on prisons that there
are a moral and fiscal failure and they just don't work.
People who go into prison just come out better prisoners.
I mean, and the problem is we yo yo around.
We have one government who says we're going to cut
the prison population, and then crime increases, or we get
to have a particularly dastardly crime, a horrible crime cap happens,
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and then the other political party says we need to
be tough on crime, so we start throwing people back
in prison again. But we have to think of a
better way that we just can't write off people all
the time put them in prison. I get it, people
are victims. You need punishment and things like this, but
this just doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
What about the programs in prison? I mean, well, if
there are enough of them, because obviously there are some
people who would need to be put somewhere right away
from us, away from us, away from us. But as yeah,
I think what we're lacking is the is the rehabilitation programs.
And I know that there are some things in place,
but I just don't think it goes far enough, you.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Know, Yeah, I mean that there's I forget the statistics
with very high levels of people that go straight back
inside within six months to a year, and.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
They don't have the connection with the family community outside.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Their families Also, I remember once years ago meeting a
guy at a party. He was in his fifties. We
started talking tolmy he been in an out of prisoner
his whole life, but he's on the straight and narrow
now and I said, he said, you know the most
heartbreaking thing. I said, well, he said, last week I
visited my son in prison.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So that pattern goes on and on and on. We're
not fixing it. At the same time, I see with
the government's cutting funding for a parenting program that was
helping people with kids. But we can put more money
into prisons, but we can't address the root cause very.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, prevention, right.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
It is difficult because there's almost like you look at
Scandinavian prisons and where they still they still lock people
up and they but there's a different social contract. It's
not just about how they treat prisoners. There's just a
whole contract with the way society is over there and
their attitudes towards offending and reoffending and rehabilitation. So it's
not just I mean, at the moment, I think unfortunately
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prisons are what we we have to go with. But
I don't know how you reform it unless you have
an almost whole overhaul of society of the way everyone
views crime and punishment, including the criminals.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
By the way, when you look at the likes of
what everything happen with ram raids and smash and grabs,
And I remember interviewing a couple of ram raiders when
I did a documentary a couple of couple of years ago,
and interviewing I think a fourteen and a fifteen year old,
and the fourteen year old was like, the reason why
I do this is because I've got no family connections,
I've got no sense of community, and I find the
sense of community somewhere else, which is with gangs or
(15:23):
with crime, and that makes me feel like I have
a place in the world and I'm cared for and
people care about me. So I totally agree with around
actually putting money in programs into stopping things from happening
in the first place. There are so many opportunities that
kids miss out on. They don't have a purpose, there's
nothing motivating them or stopping them from doing something like this.
Give them a sense of community that isn't driving them
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to ram raids or smashing grabs.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
All right, we've solved it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Gags with communities. By the way, the.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Latest problem we've you touched on that earlier is a
little teaser.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well done, you teaser seguey.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Magnificent, he came to work today. But I think actually
maybe that's so it's showed a surprise drop. I guess
for National down four point one percent. I don't know
what the standard of mugin deviation is whatever, but anyway,
it does seem slightly surprising that they're down as much
as that Labor at three point six, which to me
is also equally surprising. But I do wonder if there's
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something in the in what we were talking about before with
New Zealand first that they are up almost one point
to seven point six actors up to ten percent. Whether
the minor parties are having quite a good time right now.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Mark, Well, they're making a lot of the running, aren't they.
They're getting a lot of attention with their with the
policies that they signed in the coalition agreement, so I
think that that's part of it. I also think the government,
and I think that especially the National Party, will wanting
to push through as much of the hard stuff in
their first year, and the probably it's probably a reaction
(16:53):
to that. But I'll tell you what this health stuff
that is going to keep hurting until they sort it out.
It is people are really starting to worry you now
about the coal to the other, the public health system.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
The lines outside GP officers, the primary health care access
for years as well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, and it's just got worse and worse and worse.
And I think there's a you know, we brought in
all these nurses and now you know they're here and
they can't get jobs. You know, it's expensive to run.
It's getting more expensive as we get older and people
stay alive for longer. So yeah, unless they can get
a handle on this quick, there's going to be more
(17:33):
shedding of support than the polls.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Look, I mean it's not like it's a problem that's
the government's making either.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't know, but the House do we look.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
At hospital as well? That would have been a big
clincher because when was when were these poll results gathered?
Was that after you know, I was that after all
those protests around this, you know, I mean I feel
like that would have a massive contributing No, I think.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It certainly doesn't doned it, But beyond that, I don't
know how much people actually engaged with that because.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I'd say cue the whole South Island there, because we
had also massive for the West coast, but big demonstrations
on the West Coast where they were also unhappy about
the quality of their health care treatment. We've got the
stuff happening in Dargerville where they don't even have any
doctors on. I mean, it's just it's you know, if
you're sick and you're not close to a big hospital,
(18:23):
I'll be a bit worried.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And it's been ongoing for years and years, and I
remember talking about this couple on air of three four
years ago, and it's just bad. It's bad, and people
keep saying, you know, people are going to die, and
I know their happy situations where it has happened.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Well, keep your health insurance up if you can afford it.
So that's all I can say. Right, we're going to
take a quick break, come back with more my panelists,
Mark Kreisel and Wilhelmina Shrimpton. I don't know why to
put a bit of a German w on there, didn't
I Wilhelmina, the newly engaged Wilhelmina. And we'll be back
in just a moment. It's twenty five past three.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Love and marriage, Love and the marriage. They go all
together like a horse and carriage. Yes, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You know, I don't think that's the one to walk
down the aisle?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Are we going to have a marriage related engagement related song?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Everycently, I suspect we will. My producer Tira is onto
it and she loves it. She loves to theme music
with whatever the topic or the person is. So I
think we're going to go with I love that.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I feel like people should submit their suggestions for down
the aisle walking down that? What is it called precession
procession song?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Processional the bridle? You know the bridal procession down the ile? Yeah,
you know where the bride turns up, you know. Mark
Kreisel and Wilhelmina Shrimpton are my guests, and this is
the panel in the WEEKN Collective. I'm Ton Beverage. And yes,
Wilhelmina has an Austra engagement. You can go read about it.
It's in the media. She's all over the place. There'll
be a billboard, there'll be a two billboard about it soon.
But we'll get about that in the moment. Actually, we
(19:54):
should actually know, let's come back with us later because
we've got more serious topics to talk about. Look, this
is always so fraught, this one. The government is asking
sport in New Zealand to review transgender and illusion principles.
And of course it's a hot topic when it comes
to people competing on Really you know, people who were
formerly biological male who have transgend have transitioned to being female,
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and there are examples where it's just plain not fair.
But then again, how do you incorporate this where people
can enjoy sport no matter what your sexuality and identity is.
And I tend to go running screaming into the hills
on this topic, and except when it comes to professional,
top level sport, where I think it's a no brainer.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah. Sorry, Mark's not here at the moment. What he
doesn't want to talk about this either.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Oh really, Oh you order it. Mark loves talking about
transgender issues.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Right, We've got the Mark answer.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's the subject.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
No, no, I was going to say. I think you're right.
It is a very difficult, complex topic. I think it's
important that guidelines and inclusion principles are updated and constantly.
There's obviously more information, there's more discussions. New things come
out all the time, so it's really important that things
are updated. I think it's really important that they engage
thoughts and opinions from all parts of society, including those
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who are transgender to themselves, because often the people who
are at the root of the issue are not spoken
to in situations like this. So I think it's really important,
and I think that goes for a lot of things
in this world. There are a lot of really antiquated policies,
principles that should be updated. So I think it's an
important discussion.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Actually, the issue of gender and sport. For getting the
transgender side of things, I wonder if they can have
to review the whole thing. My daughter's netball she's eleven,
just gone on gone twelve, and they have her age boys.
They can have three boys in a netball team. And
she was playing for her school and we're talking eleven
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eleven year old girls. There was a boy who had
hit puberty early. He was six foot two and he
had a mustache. Oh my god, a whispy, clark gable mustache.
And I'm like, but seriously, it was eleven or twelve
years old, and I was like, well, this is patently ridiculous.
And you know what, the girls are just like you
could just see them go our stuff this. Yeah, it
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just that sucked the energy out of their participation. I
think that it is an issue that needs to be
taken seriously by especially you know Auckland Netball, New Zealand
Netborn and things like that, because there is there are
some boy Yeah it's fine sometimes and other times it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
That's a good point. And my own daughter Edie, who
plays netball and has had boys and basketball, is the
big one. At the moment, they're boys in the team.
And I've noticed over the past year or so she's
eleven as well that the boys have shot up and
she got wiped out broke her wrist the other week
playing basketball, and I'm like, that's it. We're going to
set up an all girls team just playing girls. So
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I think there is a point when boys and girls
can play together when they're younger. Except the boys never
passed the ball. They're genetically incapable of doing it. They
will never pass the ball to girls. But that's another issue.
I think it has to be looked at. But we
also have to take into account that these are difficult
conversations to have that can be very tough for the
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people involved in it and hurtful. So you know it
has to be done with respect. But we also have
to have an open discussion about it because in sports
like boxing or rugby that are physical where people get hurt,
then there's danger of, like I say, people for somebody
who didn't have much to say about this, Mark, well.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
We did returned, he returned oleft your message and he
returned our call.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I actually did.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Shift the topic slightly as well. She would rather you
sent me a text.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Actually it was my birthday. My daughter raises birthday a
couple of days ago as well, So that's why I
said eleven going on twelve, eleven gone twelve. She's got
no she has. It's genetically inherited. She actually makes her
birthday last a week and she's inherited that.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We all come on, come on, I'll talk.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
To Ben about that and find out how that. Gosh,
we're just we're fizzing at the bark, aren't we really? Anyway,
Auckland are now dumb ideas. Sorry, Auckland is going to trial.
They're going to trial a fortnightly general waste rubbish collection
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for ten thousand households for seven months. For some reason,
it's going to cost up to one point seven million.
So they're going to collect it fortnightly instead of weekly,
but it's going to cost more anyway. They think it's
going to be a way of reducing rubbish because they're
only going to collect it every two weeks. You know what,
I'm just going to say it, you're still sticking our
(24:49):
rates up through the roof. Collect my bloody rubbish once
a week, you dickheads, and.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Then put your rates up even more.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, but seriously, come on, what do you do roads
and rubbish and other bits of infrastructure rubbish? I mean,
just collect my bins and just stop this nonsense.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Can I have a little vent just quickly, because this
is rubbish related obviously some topic. I'm assuming both of
you don't live on the shore. No, No, okay, right,
I've got a bone to pick with the shore rubbish
collection situation. Not only do we pay rates, but then
we've also got to buy bloody bin tags and they
are bloody expensive. I'm not kidding. So you've got to
get these rubbih bin tags that you attached to a
(25:28):
rubbish bin every single Sunday and they won't collect your
rubbish because they're milking us for all we.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Will hang on and then I'm not different.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Six six different tags and they were it costs like
forty bars, but you're the same. It's just we're one
big council. We're not north Shore City anymore. We're one
big city. And it just irks me when I have
to go. Didn't to countdown and ask for six times
six orange rubbish tags and it cost me forty five dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Runing listeners and looks like he's about to explode over
this one.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
No, No, I'm fine.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You don't live on the shore.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Just actually, it's good to know a little bit more
about Willemina. She's a sure girl.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So I can I just say I think we could
do the the fortnight they pick up we could, Or
about the rubbish you take into your house. We got
a worm bin love my worm bin love. It takes
all the vegetable scraps we use the food scraps thing.
That's been great, liking that. And with the recycling and
(26:29):
the red bins, I reckon we could do it in
two weeks. It's mainly just plastic.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
We recycle we do the food bind too. We actually
do do the food scraps. I'm feeling quite virtually.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
She had a maggot problem with our food scrap bend,
which was not a vibe.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, cats have worked out how to get into it.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
When you think that it's rice on the floor and
it's moving rice, it's not fun.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, it was discover that on just a nice home
romantic evening. Did you did you spill some rice on
the on the floor line?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Why is that grain of rice moving?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Can I actually, I know I'm not just to look
at the text thing, but it says tag stopping soon.
Somebody is actually I've got your own text machine. I
don't tell them.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Don't have to turn turn that one off?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
But not actually I think this And so the one
thing I did forget to add is I think it's
ending soon. I don't know when it is. But until then,
I'm still dark about spending forty five dollars on six.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
But it does seem a little strange. There is a
regional difference with an all lie I know.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, anyway, all the suggestions for a song, Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Now, don't look at that. I have to turn that off.
We can't have the guest read in the text because
you might see some hate mail. It might be just
weak my hat mail. Anyway, We're going to take a
quick moment because we are going to We're going to
turn the corner on a few interesting little stories that
are coming up in just a moment, including I'm interesting
to see someone has had the same idea about the
Marrico Copa family and how we should catch them. Catch them? Oh,
(27:52):
what the hell find them? That's the one twenty two
minutes to four news Talks.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
He'd be say, well, mean it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
And welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My guests are
Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Mark Kreisel, and if you've just tuned
and the Red we're playing a lot of getting married
songs because Wilhelmina is engaged to her lovely fiance Ben
O'Keefe's quite a good looking guy. Actually, I think you
know they say that look normally the camera makes you.
I don't know whether the camera flatters you when you're
on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But he scrubs up quite well.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Doesn't he does? He does?
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, he's pretty We're.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Going to keep flogging the wedding thing. I'm going to
talk about this. I'm going to talk about it for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Don't ask him that's what he was I.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Should I'm pretty expensive.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Can you one of those can be one of those
MC slash celebrants slash DJ slash.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Actually, I do have the song for you, for you
to walk down the aisle too, and I'm going to
give it to my producer quietly and we'll plant the
next start. It's actually you'll know it and b U
n G by the way, Okay, don't keep saying it anyway. Hey, look, look,
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let's talk about some other things. It feels depressing, doesn't
that we need to find some happy stories. But the
record number of kiwis leaving New Zealand, that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, Actually the rest of us left behind.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
No, I mean, look, I think there was a lag, right,
There are a lot of people who held off leaving
the country during COVID that we're going to go and
do their oe and they didn't do it, and so
there's a lag and there's also but I mean, I
think most New Zealanders come back, they get out into
the world, they have a good look around. I think,
you know, that's just normal part of being in New Zealand,
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they're living at the bottom of the world. Basically.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I agree. I think there's been a lag differently after
after COVID, so many people doing their are ees. I
know there's some frustration around the cost of living and
people are leaving for a better life in Australia, but
actually the cost of living crisis is happening where everywhere,
and I know of a lot of people who have
made the jump to Australia and they're still actually struggling
over there. I think if people move, it should be
about getting the experience.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I mean, it's a net migration gain of fifty three thousand,
which is I mean, think how many people here we've
brought in from overseas, because there were over one thousand
Kiwis who left. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The worrying thing is we're not getting many coming wanting
to come and live here.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Now here's the thing, though, I have a suspicion just
from my memories of reading the newspaper and Mum and
Dad had finished with it and there was a there
was a listeners do you want I just meant I
wasn't a huge news consumer, but I remember certain things
and they had a copy of the listener and the
cover of the listener was with the last person to
leave New Zealand please turn out the lights. And this
(30:59):
is going at twenty or thirty years And I think
it's just I think that it's part of the way
we are, that we are instantly importing people and exporting
people because that's New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
It doesn't it happen everywhere. Do people leave and come
and go and they pursue different opportunities. I mean, I
know we are a country at the bottom the world,
and it's probably more motivation for people to get out
and experience something else.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's hard to go away for a weekend to another country.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
You can't exactly go to Paris for the weekend where
you can.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It's just it's exhausting.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, turn around and come back.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
You're on the plane the whole time I.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Spent I mean, I've always spent ten or fifteen years
living outside in New Zealand and it was amazing. I'd
recommend it to anybody. But I'm back here now and contributing.
The problem I see in these numbers is that we're
not getting a lot of migrants and at the moment
that's dropped right away, and that is a concern because
they drive economicly.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Hang on, what do you mean, we're not getting a
lot of migrants. The only reason we've got fifty three
thousand gain is because we've got a truckload of migrants.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, but that's dropping sharply.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's still a lot though, ten thousand migrants coming here
one hundred and ten thousands we had.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
There's been record numbers over the past few months.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Last yeah, I think last year wasn't I know.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I'm definitely recalling the past few months. This year there
was record migration numbers. My concern is not having enough
housing to keep up with demand. School that's the problem.
Schools and resources and infrastructure, and that's the problem. And look, obviously,
if it is declining ever so slightly, is that necessarily
a bad thing. While we obviously build up our infrastructure
and all of our housing stock.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's right. In an ideal world, This migration drives those
sorts of things, creates demand. We build more roads, more houses.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
There's always a lag, right, You've got to have the
time to.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Build quick question. Quick question, if you were going to
be someone who's going to leave the country and live
somewhere anywhere overseas, Mark Krassel, Where would you go? Where
would you?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I really like France, Bengo for America America as well.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
If I afford it, I'd move to the Latin quarter
of Paris. Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I think there'd probably be two places. One South Africa,
he really liked. So I really liked Cape Town or
Amsterdam because I'm half Dutch and I just love those
that you know, walking around all the buildings are one
ki and everyone eats meat and cheese for breakfast, and
these people.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Great, Adam, great, Mark with your with your fancy new
bike you've got?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, thank you?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Have you got? What's your bike?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
He's got a knee bike. It's very flash.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
It's environmentally friendly.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, and I've been a k ee bike for a
few years now. This isn't a new thing. I think.
I think you're getting carried away.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Well. When I saw you ride off when we caught
up the other day when we had a coffee to
say hi the other day and I saw you ride off,
I thought, oh, he's saying, just learnt to ride.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That was trick riding.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
He just got the training room.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I was waiting to see where you had seen the
guy who walked in front of you, and I was like, oh,
this could be fun. Oh no, I saw him, but
he didn't see That's the one. Hey, look, just before
we hit the break the sighting of the Maricopa family,
and I had a conversation with a friend of mine
about this, who said, why don't they just send the
essays and not to hunt them down, but just you know,
this is what they do, send them in to locate
(34:11):
them and just radio to the police and say and
just stalk them for a while. And anyway, that's what
somebody else's former essays persons come out and said they
could do it, and the police wouldn't comment, which makes
me wonder whether they're sending the essays and following.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
What do you think secret? I find this whole situation
incredibly fascinating, and the fact that it's gone on for
so so long. And look, obviously there are ways that
you can get lost in New Zealand bush right, but
it's only so big. So I just don't understand how
he's managed to evade authorities for so long, but with
help with well exactly who's helping him. I also think,
(34:46):
though thankfully obviously that video would have been really traumatizing
for the mum and really hard for the family who
were left behind, But at least it was able to
give them an indication of what state the kids were in.
And you know, obviously they didn't look like they were
in distress by the sounds of it. There was a
bit of an exchange between those young kids who were hunting,
and they didn't seem to be upset, So I feel
(35:08):
like that is reassuring. But it just boggles my mind
that this is dragged on.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, and it's it's like a
Hunt for the Wilder People type it is Ricky Baker.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yes, Ricky Baker.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's not funny, actually, it's it's actually an horrendous situation.
And if those kids are sort of compliant and just
walking through, you know, what kind of world are they
expecting is coming after them? I mean, what are they
going to be like when they are.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Rescued and what have they been led to believe? Because
if they're not in obviously a situation where they are distressed,
what has been fed to them and told? What has
he told them? How are they just just I can't
believe it's gone on for so long. I don't. I
just don't understand, you know, a large amount of bush.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But seriously, I don't know why they I mean, they
don't need to send people in like their hunting animals,
but just sending people, you know, send in the essays and.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Like in that article, you know there are some you know,
there are you know, if they're if they're hunting and
they're cooking by a fire, surely it's easy to track
them down from there.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
It just, yeah, it blows me away that they can't. Yeah,
it's anyway, lock fingers. What will happen is I guess
whatever they're doing, they're not going to tell us what
they're doing, are they? If you were here a police
they could. I mean it says right now that they've
called off the active search. I would if I was
the police commission to be saying we've stopped searching now,
even if I wouldn't be telling the truth on this,
I would be like, no, we're still searching.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I kind of wonder what sort of colms they have anyway,
and that that that's that's that's target country down there.
That's pretty thick deep bush.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Not literally of course that would be a news flash.
It concerns me that in the Southland eaten by the panther.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
It's concerning that perhaps there's no sense of urgency because
the kids are seemingly okay, and I wonder whether there's
an element of that at play. You know, if the
kids were clearly in distress, maybe they looked like they
were struggling physical, would there be more of a sense eurgency.
And it shouldn't take that to get over the line.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
No, it's unbelievable. It's gone on for so long.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Anyway, Look, we're going to come back. We can take
a quick quick breathe and have a cup of tea
and a lie down. We'll be back in about a
couple of minutes. It's ten to two four news Talk
said b She maybe.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
The beauty, maybe the fast.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Each day too.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You're out of control, you're out of control.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
This is a great this is a great song to
walk into. She may be the face. I can't it's
she if the.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Many bends a beast.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
No, no, no, it's just like it's whatever she is.
It's like, she may be she may be this and that,
she may be the famine or the feast.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
She but and the lyrics are it's going to tell
Ben that you think he's a based No.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, she may be the beauty or the beast, that's your.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
Want.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
What did you walk down? Well, I'm waiting there. Generally
the bridegroom is actually waiting. All she walked in because
it's Anne Marie and she's known as Annie, and she
walked into John Denver's Annie's song and I completely like,
I was like a trembling low, a trembling lower alpe.
Just it's usually the guy who goes.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Actually, yes, that's my favorite part of a wedding, as
you see the bride come out and you turn around
and look straight at.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
The room and get racking man standing up there bride
came down to at last Jons.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Oh yeah, that's a good one too, very good souldiery.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
People, if you've got any suggestions for wedding songs for
Wilhelmina to walk down the aisle to when she marries
her lovely lovely chap Been O'Keefe, because they've just announced
her engagement, then you can text them and I'll pass
it on to Wilhelmina. You can email me Tim b
at News Talks Beat Dot curded in Zen and we'll
drop a short list.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
We could do a mash up, we could put all
of them in together.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Let's not do it, hey quickly. Look, there's only about
a minute to go. But this discovery of the remains
of the one of the two mountaineers that they suspected
might have summited Everest have been found. It doesn't really
tell us much. It's just there's been a foot found.
Andrew Sandy Irvine, what did you What do you make
(39:21):
of it?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I think it's really fascinating. Fascinating when there's fines like this,
you know, it feels kind of Indiana Jones kind of vibes,
you know, kind of stumbling across hidden treasure or you know,
that type of thing. But how are we going to
prove whether or not he was there before Sir Edmund Hillary?
You know, I think the antin zing the question is obviously,
did he make it to the summit and then died
(39:43):
after coming backdown or was it on the way up.
I don't think that this takes anything away from what
Sir Edmund's done.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Well basically says if you're going to get up, you've
got to get down again, and we know he did that,
so there we go, fair Mark.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, I mean I know the Brits are desperate to
claim it. Yeah yeah, well that's true.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
But Jimmy Spittle's great great great grandfather apparently that's an
America's Cup reference. Oh quickly, are you going to be
watching the America's Cup at all?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Checking out the inside of my eyelids about that time?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
No, I mean when you wake up anyway. Hey, look,
we've got to run because there's barely anytime again once again, well,
I mean you're lovely to see Congratulations to you, Mark,
lovely to see you again, and we look forward to
having these two in the studio again. You can check
out the podcast for the Weekend Collective, but we are
coming back with one roof radio show, Debi Robertsons joining
us on Tim Beverage. This is the Weekend Collective on
News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
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