May 31, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Mark Crysell and Luke Dallow to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
David Seymour becomes the Deputy Prime Minister, fines for truancy, concerns for the children of overstayers, boy racers take over Levin, and more!
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for real PTSD? And now the panel we've seen save
the absolute Wrizzlers for last respectfully fossils first broadcast veteran
news wrangler, professional eyebrow racer. It is Mark Kraizel.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Oh, can I just say I think you slay Ah?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
How many Elphis can you have?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
In one room, though, I think when we could call
one of you a segment, apparently that's pretty cool too,
although we have with that. We had to google that.
And look, he's a hospitality kingpin, he's a ViBe's architect.
He's unofficial mayor of Auckland after dark and he's just
opened as he's just opened his new restaurant nightclub sort
of soire and he's given me a vouch because he
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forgot to invite me to the lords. And it's Luke
Dell Louk here you're going.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You are very well thinking. So I didn't know what
you just said then, but hey, I got the jis
got the vibe, the vibe.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Which is confusion.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
We've got more segments than than your grond Mar's pill box.
Apparently the other one. When you're about to get into it,
you say, let me just put the put the fries
in the bag. Anyway, there we go it right?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
How are you good? I'm still getting over being called
a fossil.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, that was that was all down, tom. I was
advised that that was just an age before beauty comparison.
You know, if she's allow, I'd like to dm and
how you do? How is that how is the oupening
gs GS or GGS straight GGS?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
And it was great, It was great. Good to see
the people people out there and the real people out
good support this week.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And no, it's it's flying so you I mean, look,
it's it's ballsy to open any establishment. How's how's the
scene looking at the moment?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hospital is in a bad place. I'll be honest with
you and everyone just saying, oh, it's bad, bad, bad,
But you've got to spin out. You've got to break that.
You've got to break out of the shell. You've got
to make it happen yourself. You just can't be, you know,
relying on people to make it for You've got to
make it as an operator. So when to do that,
it'll work.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And what's now if I go to I want to
say gis Yeah am I am? I going there for dinner,
for drinks for night? What am I going there for?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You're going there for drinks if you're thirsty, dinner if
you're hungry, And.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That one that says under GGS, I've got a great
venue there.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
You know, you're tasting plates and we've got secret dishes
and so forth, plus great beers and cocktails on tap,
like an express of martini on tap and a margarita
on tap. You know, so it's quite service.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Oh my god, I almost feel like I'm going to
go there in the break.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I mean, we talked, we talked.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
About a vibe.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
When you do you create. You need to create a vibe,
don't you.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You've got to create a vibe.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But how do you do that?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Looke? Well, there's three pillars, right, there's the product, there's
the staff, and then is the where it's located. And
the staff is the vibe. It's all around the staff.
That's it. The other two you can control, but it's
all about the staff. Interesting, just getting the market in
the music up and how.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Much time do you spend there on the.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Quite critical and the critical hours like betweenty hours of
four and eight thirty nine thirty, so that the critical hours,
whatever happens outside that, it just happens.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Do you want to see the magnificent Luke Dello in action,
get down there between four thirty and eight sort of
and he'll be there. There you go, that's it. Fossils first,
you go. You'll keep mate, you will, you know, I
love you, Mark, It's just fossils deserve love.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And carry.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Okay, now, look speaking of fossils, no can we not?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Winston Peters is no longer Deputy Prime minister. They've handed
over the keys to them. I don't know what it's
the keys to to David Seymour. Look, I guess I
don't know if this is too much of a big
deal the media. No, here I am talking about it,
so I'm part of the problem. But you know, he's
been sworn and I think that Luxton had said it
was largely a ceremonial role and got in a bit
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of trouble with both Seymour and Winston. But anyway, Seymour
is now going to be Deputy Prime minister. Luke will
anything interesting to say about this?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I've got nothing interest in say about it. All I've
been trusted about is who got How do they pick
who went first?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Age fossils first?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Perhaps how many time when we look at someone else.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Like the mirror, Because Winston, if he's here, if he
picked first, now he can cot straight on the election
in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, I think he's insinuating that he did pick to
go first, that he got lucky. I don't know. They
may have tossed a coin or whatever, but it probably
works out in Winston's favorite He's going on the road
now and he can actually pretty much say what he
wants to say. This is going to be difficult for
David Seymour, who has you know, likes to shoot from
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the lip kind of thing. So let's see how that goes.
Whether he conducts himself as and you'd have to say
Winston's conducted himself pretty well is when he's Deputy Prime Minister.
But all bets are off now.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Well that that's the thing is I.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Like Winston the statesman. I like Winston, you know, the
Minister of Foreign Affairs and until yesterday, deputy Prime Minister.
I don't know if it's going to be great. See
I'm not a big Winston fan when he's in chief
politicking mode because he's almost like a completely different person.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Look he is, he flips over. But look at Seymour.
What's it gonna do. I've never seen Seymour in this position.
It's going to be interesting to see how he is.
I think we need to focus more on Seymour to
see how he's going to react to being the deputy
you know, like having a brand, having a name, having
a title he might be.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, and you've got to you've got to toe the
party line. And by the party I mean the government line.
He can't be just spinning off and doing act lines
all the time, which he's done for the past eighteen months.
So he has to stick to that, and that'll be
hard for him, mind you.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I mean, I think Winston's given it, gave him self
a fair bit of bit of chain to operate with.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
N't he. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think Winston understands and loves the idea of the
power and the dignity of the office. You know, he's
done some done some silly things in the House. You know,
his battles with Tim Marti and you know, the Mexican
stuff I think was was pretty unbecoming, particularly for someone
who's our foreign minister. But generally he's been pretty well behaved.
(08:16):
When you you know, when you look at the Winston meet, I.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Wonder if there's an has anyone did an approval rating
sort of thing on on on Winston another sort of
key political figures, because I would imagine even if you
didn't vote for Winston, you might be voting for a
different party. But I imagine his approval rating would be
pretty high at you you reckon?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Look, I think so too. I think personally, I think
he's had a great job so far where he is
at at the moment. And hey, we live in Saint
Mary's Bay and Palestine. Those Palestine protesters.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Outside his hair, Oh that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, so they're going to go, which is great for me,
So are you both, Saint Mary's Bay, the People's Republic
of Saint Mary's Base. Lovely. We're just going to pop
down a little bit of always just along the roads
for a little little kirs Madam. Anyway, I think we've
done that one. Now onto the slightly more serious things,
(09:08):
the potential finding of parents for truant kids. So they're
going to pursue prosecutions for parents who repeatedly refuse to
ensure their children attend school. I've seen the discussion, some
comments from Sema. It's not about identifying people who are
having trouble getting their kids to school for verious social reasons,
but the people who could get their kids to school
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and won't, they basically just don't. And what do you
think of this market? Does it trouble you or does
it also? I mean, do we need also send a
signal that school matters.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, it does matter, and I think that, you know,
the reasons are many and complex why people aren't going
to school. Some of them could be working, you know,
some of them could be looking after you know, sick
parents or fano or something like that. There are all
sorts of reasons. Some could just be bad and they're
just not going to school. But I'm you know, I
think the people who listen to in this case are
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the teachers, the people who are at the sort of
chalk face of it all, and many of them are
saying attendance at school is or non attendants is a symptom,
not a cause. And so there are other causes out there.
And as I say, many and varied way kids aren't
going to school. Someone might find it hard to get
to school. But if you punish the parents by proxy,
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you're punishing their child as well, and so you could
be even making that situation worse.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I mean, I would imagine it would be pretty
easy to avoid, actually the prosecution side, because one of
the things they've said here is that it's they're not
going to prosecute parents of students who are absent due
to illness or health conditions or who were genuinely engaging
with the school and the support's offered. I imagine we're
not going to really almost skeptical we won't see any
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any prosecutions. But it's sending a signal.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Look or is it a political theater.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well that's still sending a signal, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I guess yeah. I think it's a shot across bow,
you know, like, hey, loong, get your kids to school.
But I think also I look at the schools and
this case, school's going to be interesting for the child,
and the child is not going to school. You've really
got to have a chat to that guy or girl
and say, what's the story. I don't like this x
y Z yet, Okay, what can we do to get
you interested in school? Just can't cookie cut schools, I
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don't think. And I think it's a combination between the
schools and more the schools than the parents, to be honest,
to get the kids motivated to go to school.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, the kids might be as well. I mean, that's
the thing. The causes of truancy can be many and varied.
If the parents dropping the kid off at the gate
and they are going down to the shops and then
how it were their mates. That's a completely different thing
to not even dropping at the gate and not making
an effort to engage with the school.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Do you think we'll actually here's the question, guys. Do
you think we will see any prosecutions or is this
more just a signal.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I feel like it's a signal. I feel like it's
a bit of political theater that you know, it's like
the tough on crime line. You know, it's like, we're
going to get these kids and there's a trope going
through that. You know, parents are lazy, Your parents aren't
sending their kids properly where you know, simplifying what is
quite a compliment, complex issue, But I would doubt whether
we'll see too many prosecutions.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Attendance records. The problem is our attendants records at school
for our kids are terrible.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, they're pretty terrible all around the world after COVID.
I mean, it's it's this is a worldwide phenomenon, not
a good one. It's a it's a shocking one. Kids
should be going to school and that's that's giving them
the best shot at the rest of for the rest
of their lives.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I mean, how many of how many of you guys
have funked school before? Never? I never never wagged school.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
One day, I think, And.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That was I was I was going to say, I
would imagine you've just got that slightly rebellious look about you, Luke.
I was going to I was going to bet you
did it, you know, one day every term I'd say.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
No, I'd love school. It's a great place to eat lunch.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And luck what he is now, he's catered to the stars.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I used to run the tack shop. Well that's a
sign for what things. Yeah, the runing a tack shop.
And we made a massive profit there, you know too
for one piee turn it over be men men you know.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Actually, I mean I don't mean this, but that's an
early experience in providing food for people and seeing how
people engage with their stomachs and their wallets and.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Everything and their emotions.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, and I mean are there things that sort of lead?
Is that why you were doing what you're doing now?
Is that was that the seed that was planted? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Because it's when you give so one nice cream, don't it?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
See this smile?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And it's like that's the emotions game and hospitality is
all about emotions, you know, like it's also it must
be great for financial literacy one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Like you see, you could do it already, see that
straight away, did you?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
What about you now, Chrysler. You had to have gone
every day?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, I know, yes I did. Sorry, mister Thomas, my
headmaster at the time. Yeah, I took a few mornings
off to go surfing. Really yeah if the surf was good.
It doesn't, it's not.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You're a surfer, dude, Do you still surf? I have
two surfboards.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I don't get out anywhere as much as I like to,
but I like to think of myself. It's part of
in these days of identity politics. I'm happy with that one.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You actually, I can see you rock in the surfboard.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
You've got that sort of you know that up in Terandise,
which is Taranaki and it's one of the best surf
spots in the country. So shout out to my people.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Were you quite good or you just could stay up
for tea?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Okay? I did it right in the school Surf Champs,
the secondary school Surf Champs. I've surfed all over the world.
I've served in Hawaii, Indonesia, Australia, California.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
That's old fossil, really surprising me.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I didn't say it, Mark, No, he did. But actually
that is just another little interesting string to the bow
because we've, as we've in previous introductions, the places you've
worked in, the jobs you've done, and all sorts of
things over your life. Mark, you're an interesting chap.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's very kind of you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think waiting it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It feels like like of those things when you say
to someone they look healthy.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, No, I was actually my mind was busy trying
to work out how I could sort of wiggle out
of it. No, just so in a nice little sort
of something which might have been a backhander. But perhaps
perhaps we won't do that. We'll play nice today, shall we.
Now they're just on the on the children's side of things,
So the concern for children of overstairs. Of course, these
are difficult issues, aren't they. But the Children's commissioners worried
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that there's the law preventing children of oversars becoming kiwi's.
They're talking about breaches of un obligations. But basically people
have come and they're still over stairs. They've got kids
who are now you know, they've been in the country,
they're born here, they've spent most of their lives, if
not all of their lives here, and yet there's a
law that gets in the way. Where are you Where
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do you sit with Mark on this on residency, because
there's got to be a protection of our borders type
of thing, but also reality and a human, humane approach
to people who are Kiwi's.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I don't think children should ever be punished for the
sins of their parents in a way, you know, I
just I think this is one of these things that
slipped through the cracks. But there I mean, obviously they
don't even know how many there are. There could be hundreds,
that could be thousands of kids in this situation. So
you know, hopefully there's there's a bit of leeway given
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to them by the authorities to try and work this way,
to find some kind of an elegant solution, because I mean,
these kids are born here, they grew up here. They're
probably contributing to our society as well as, like you know,
going through schools and playing sports and all those kind
of things. So you know, as far as they're probably aware,
the New Zealander is, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What do you reckon Luke.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
I just don't know how it gets so far to
be an eighteen year old.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And not not have have sort of not the parents
having triggered there, what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Exactly like at schools, that must be your first sort
of five year old, Hey where's your parents? Where are Like?
I don't know how it gets that far. I'm quite flabagass.
But like the children shouldn't get. They shouldn't get what's
the word? They should hold dignity and they should hold
a dignity. That's where it is.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And this is where the law is always a tricky one,
isn't it, Because it almost There was a case of
a young man who it was only by virtue of
their minister intervening and saying, look you can stay sort
of thing, but it almost. This is where where the
trouble for draftsmen who draft laws and rests is that
at some point the law just doesn't really fit everyone,
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and you have to have that discretion. And I mean
it's it's like that quote of use from the castle.
It's the vibe, but you do need back to the vibe.
But that would keep the minister very busy if that
all he was doing having to do is exercise his
or her discretion.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I don't even know how many. I mean, most of
them were probably worried to put their heads up as well.
They're probably living a sort of a double life. Anyway,
I would imagine if the parents are overstayers and outside
the system, they're working for money under the table or
for cash.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Look, if you're born here and you've reached the age
of majority, I think you can stay correct The five
oh one.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Thing, isn't it Those people who have only you know
that went over to Oussie when they were six months old,
committed a crime in their twenties and then sent back
to New Zealand and they don't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, that's it correct. Well, look aren't we all very reasonable?
Aren't we? What is today? I think they should just slide.
I think they should slide on those applications. Just we'll
just deal with them in real time on air on
the Weekend Collective. And it's like it's a no from.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Chrys All, a green rubber stamp from dell Over.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Anyway, Hey, look, we're going to be back in just
a moment talking about when people do tragic and stupid
stuff with the running Straight and also the terrible events
last night and LIVI in with the boy racist will
be back in just a moment. Twenty five past three
news talks, he'd be We're bad, We're back. Sorry, that's
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the one. This is the weekend collective. I'mmets and Beverage.
This is the panel on my panelists Mike Kreisel and
Luke Dallo and guys the Run It Straight thing. So there.
Of course, we've had the tragic death of a nineteen
year old Ryan Sattathwaite, who died at Parmerston North Hospital
on Monday from serious head injuries while at a backyard
(19:39):
game of Run It Straight and the Run It Straight.
It's been targeting of social media. If you're a young guy,
I'm sure you haven't missed the ads for it. But
now there's the question about what should be done about it.
What could be done. The Sport and Recreation Minister Mark
Mitchell's said it's not a supported or promoted I mean,
I don't think you can ban these things. People do,
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dangerous and silly activities. The problem is one that might
be done by people who have got a bit more
experience with heavy collisions, such as former league players a
bit better qualified at doing something like this than a
bunch of guys who think they'll do it for a
bit of fun in their backyard and it has tragic consequences. Mark,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, look, it's shocking, it really is. And I look
at this. I've done a number of stories over the
years on head knocks, just on traditional contact sports. You've
got over in the UK at the moment, you got
over three hundred former rugby players in their forties of
have early onset dementia from playing a legitimate contact sport,
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and this takes it to it. You know, you've got
Carl Hayman in New Zealand who's dealing with his own issuation,
probable CTE, those sorts of things, and you can't just
take that many blows to the head and think that
you're going to be okay. But this is tissed to
another level, aiming to the head that you look at
the shape of those guys, they're not in good shape.
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They're just running straight at each other. Watching this week
the coverage and seeing Ardi Savier come out and be
honest enough to say that he played it in his
backyard with his brother, whose nickname is Buss and he
said it made him the players that he is today
is one of the great you know, probably the greatest
rugby player in New Zealand at the moment. Contrasts that
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with the Warriors who all trotted out in front of
the count and said, I don't know anything about it, mate,
I don't know what you're talking about. So obviously being
told by a comms guy but not having the guts
to own up and say something.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I thought it was actually shocking. They should be ashamed
of themselves. Of course they know what's going. Do they
think we're stupid? Honest, they're not aware of this stuff. Yeah.
The warrior's position of not knowing about it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
The same line the coach.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Changer, I don't know much about it or any contact
sport should be done in a safe environment. I mean,
I don't think Tanner umung I can cover himself and
glory just talking about it. It's just people trying to
get ahead in life and things, and well there's an.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Element of that too, you know, and quite often these
sorts of sports. You know, boxing was like that for years.
It was a way out for people in harder economic circumstances,
you know, I mean you can't. You can't deny that.
At least with professional sports like rugby and things like that,
there are things in place. There are standdown periods, and
there are protocols and things, and there's sanctions about going
(22:28):
for the head. But this everything's off the of the books.
You know, go for yeah, okay, looke, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I just think you can't out lawd peer pressure and
stupidity unfortunately. I mean, these kids here. What was amazing
this week is my youngest son text my oldest son
and said, Max, you do this, stop it now. And
I thought that was quite powerful from a young you know,
from a young eighteen year old, and that really that
was amazing. That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But did it have an effect on I hadn't have.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Said it, yeah, because we you know.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
This is this is why your point mark about the
Warriors being ambiguous about their stance on it. I think
this is someone connected with league is also being involved
in promoting or something. But this is why it needs
the signal from people who these kids respect, saying don't
do it. I heard one pathetic defense saying, oh, well,
people do all sorts of dangerous things like base jumping. Well,
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you know what, if you're a base jumper, you're probably
a very experienced parachutist and a whole lot of things,
and you can't just walk off the back of your
backyard and go, hey, I'm just going to back base
jump attached to a sheet and nothing else. It's such
a BS comparison. I thought, come on, guys.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
But I also look at Dan Hook of the backyard fighting. Yeah,
the fifty thousand dollars sort of prize money. This is backyard.
This is very similar to this, and he's promoting that
as well with fifty thousand backyard That mean it's the
same thing. These are unprofessional fighters, and it's kind.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Of interesting, isn't it. It's this this hyped up masculinity
thing that's happening at the moment. So the big crashes,
the backyard fights, it's like it's at a time where
where I don't know, young men, and I guess we
all did it back in the day. We all played
bull rush, we all had scraps, we did all that.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But you're trying to avoid people with bullrush, you know,
it's not like here, aim for each other as hard
as you can and see who comes off second best.
That's basically it.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And it's little fellas that get bounced off and injured
because they think they can take the big guy down.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And I tell you too, it's not just the big
ones that are that are leaving behind permanent damage. The
things with chronic traumatic and kepelopathy is that's all the
knox you see all the time you had twists and
elongates inside the brain, and that leads to, you know,
these horrible early onset dimensions and things like that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I had a really interesting call or a text from someone.
We're talking about this on talk back and we're talking
about the dangerous sports that are sanctioned and how boxing,
you know, the boxing is almost you get to take
a break before you run out of breast so you
can come back punching again, that you've got gloves on
much protect the knuckles so you can punch as hard
as you can, and all the bad things boxing does.
And we worked out that if you really wanted to
(25:07):
make boxing interesting, you would have you would have it.
You would have it without any breaks. So imagine if
somebody had to have a fight because they used to
be exhausted before they but instead you get if you
get knocked down, you can eight can't get back up
and take it out again. So there's plenty of examples
of sports that are not good for you.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, let's let's not forget the aim in boxing is
to punch someone in the head.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And knock them out if you can, and also to
avoid the punch as well.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's very skillful.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yes, good point, good point, good point, rumble in the jungle.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I still think it's important to sort of like it
is part of being younger and growing up as especially
as a young boy, that you do look for a
bit of danger, that you are looking for things that
challenges just it's just our frontal lobes haven't developed properly,
and that's just part of how we test ourselves find
our limits. All those sorts of things. There's got to
be some some things that we still should be able
(25:59):
to do that don't involve with people.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And I think, I think what what the point is
is that, like you're your young man who said to
his younger brother, stop it now. We need people talking
about about this. We don't need ambivalence from sports legends
saying oh, I don't know anything about it, mate. I
thought the Warriors let themselves down big time.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
They knew about it. Yeah, they knew about.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It, But.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I do when I think that I did when I
was a kid. It was the top of a hill
and a skateboard and goes straight down. I mean that
was pretty crazy, right, yeah, right, and then you fall
off and you've got these big I won't do that again.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So we've got a surfer and a skateboarder. I got
nothing on these guys.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Walked into a bar.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Own by Luke Dello.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Sorry, Tim, you weren't invited that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You did you get invited to the opening?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I was there, just sorry to disguise. No, I wasn't there.
I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, I'm just gonna I'm going to normally would go
and have a cup of Tina lie down, but I'll
just have a little bit of a cry and we'll
come back with these two and just a moment's twenty
three minutes to four. That's welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
(27:21):
I'm Tim Beberg, just as the panel, Mark Kreisl and
Luke Dello are my guests and panelists. Now, oh gosh,
have you seen the by the way, people, you will
have heard it on our news about the livid and
boy races. Seven injured, ten arrested, A woman's legs would
run over crowd of about a thousand people, Fireworks, physical aggression,
there's a vehicle used against police who are trying to
(27:42):
break up the gathering. The police helicopter was involved in
chasing one of the culprits. And I've seen the scenes
of it. It looks luke a little. I mean, it
looks like a futuristic arm again sort of movie, doesn't it,
where the terminator is about to walking over the horizon
and take everyone out.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Absolute idiots, these guys, you know, and he looked, don't
it plays for their boy racing? Maybe we need to
create one. But idiots? And I just think if they
get caught, get rid of the cars. I've always been
a man of Look, if you steal something, you lose
a hand, and.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You mean literally or matter literally back in the Roman
Old Testament stuff, crucifaction is too good for.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
So, I don't know, get rid of their cars, get
rid of everything. But hey, look at these finance on
the cars, and who's going to pay for it? The parents?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
M that's well, what happens is I think that people
have pointed this out that with the cars. They're often
stolen because nobody wants to lose their I think that
what they should do is, and I might have said
this on the show before even is that they should
find whatever car they have an interest in and that's gone.
It's not necessarily the one you're driving. What's what car
have you got an interest in? And we'll take the
(28:55):
hottest looking car and we'll get we'll stick it in
the crusher and away you go, and you can spend
a week in the clink. Actually, I think I'm quite
into the short term incarceration.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, what do you reckon? Mark?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Short sharp shock? Look, I think this is I don't
care what people are into as long as they don't
hurt anybody else, right, you know you can do it,
just go somewhere. But these clowns are just the biggest belief.
I take the cars off them, crush them, make them
do some time something, Just make them stop it. I mean,
these things have a cause. They need an outlet, they
(29:30):
need something to do with their spare time. They're not
going to go stay home with a couple mile o
and crochetting a rug for granny, you know, So find
something that they can do. Maybe Luke's right, maybe there's
a place where they can go and learn how to
drive cars properly. Do burnout, well, they do. They do
have the skate parks.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
They do have times when they were trying to organize
official stuff. They're not interested in the official They're interested
in the the in the TikTok and the Instagram thing.
Spare of them, you know, in the middle of the street.
I'm actually this is hot off the press. Just I'm
just thinking of it, you know. And I said short
term incarceration. I think if you get arrested instant, two
weeks in remand until you can be brought before the courts, stuff,
(30:07):
it lose your freedom for a week or two. See
how cool that feels. I mean it sounds it actually
does it sound extreme? No, it's literally like, hey, your dickhead,
you've lost your freedom until you can get the stealth
through the court.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
If we can take patches of gang members, I'm sure
we can take cars off these guys.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, well that'll be Yeah, let's wait and see any
other any other punishments who can come up We've got
Luke wants to Luke wants to lose I think to
have their accelerate a foot rotato.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Left or right one.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Why why don't we just make them drive really crap cars,
like like really crap cars that only go like twenty
k's or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, or golf cart or yea or golf carts. Well,
I think they would have its own problems. They've been
they managed to find a way of soup in the market.
Stunts on them as well. Ah anyway, Okay, so look politicians,
if you're listening, Mark Mitchell, just listen to us. We've
got the solutions and job done it through parliament with
the news.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's something redeeming about this. But I do see a
bunch of young people who feel and rebelliousness is part
of being young, right, you know, that's how you grow up,
That's how you find your boundaries, as I said just before,
and repetitious, I know. So I only find something else
for them to do. Yeah, I do like the lock
up for a couple of weeks though no, I wasn't
thinking that that's not something else to do, but obstructive,
(31:31):
instant loss of freedom.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You're in remand until your court, until we bring before
the judge, no bail.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Absolute shame. That's shame them.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Put it on the stocks. Rotten fruit. Rotten your fruit
in the stocks. Come and take your shot everyone.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Or dig a hole six foot six foot, six foot dupe,
make sure the soils had.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know what, there's probably someone here taking us seriously
and he is hoping it's the minister. Okay, guys, now
on too. We've got some interesting seguays and topic here.
But Federated Farmers Save our Sheep campaign. It wasn't I
think New Zealand when it was a population of three
million people had twenty sheep and were were the butt
of all jokes for the Australians. In fact, there was
(32:13):
actually quite a good ad for us taking the mickey
out of Australian farmers as well, saying they're packing them
in three to an acre. It was anil verm out
I think. But the Federated Farmers have launched a new
campaign Save our Sheep sos because the sheep population's plummeting
and they're concerned that all this valuable sort of pasture
land for pastures, pine trees are taking their place and
(32:35):
they want the government to intervene with this. I like
a bit of lamb myself, luke I imagine you do
a lovely lamb at Gigi's.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Do you do? You'll never know to.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Got your voucher. We do do a lamb for two,
lamb for two, So the sheep prices coming down. But hey,
I'm all favors save the sheep these things. Once again,
the pendulum has gone too far. These carbon credits. I
don't understand. They were waste of time in my world.
And let's just get more sheep on the land and
give it out to people who can afford for you know, do.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
What we would do, do what we do best. And
I'm not sure great. Look, I think there is I
worry about that land that's valuable pasture land. And people say, well,
it's great if the land is of sort of mixed value.
But you know, I don't like to think of us
getting out of some of our core businesses to do
with lamb and darien.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I mean, if the market was there, then sheep would
be doing fine. I mean, you know, the market has
fallen out of particularly things like wolves and theater.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But it's been with the pine tree, the green card
of it.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
But I mean the Federated farmers are against anything that
they seem to be against anything that that is environmentally focused.
They push back on that all the time. This is
essentially looks to me, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
All it seems to me.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
It looks like a thinly veiled it's actually not even
thinly veiled an attack on the ets, which is, you know,
encouraging people to plant trees and things like that instead
of farming. It's not just because of that that productive
farmland is going out. It's just like the prices for
wool and things like that with sheep has just died
(34:09):
over the past few years, so it's not economical anymore.
That's why lots of sheep farmers converted to dairy because
they made more money out of that. And yeah, and
I'm quite frankly, I'm sick of being called a sheep
all the time during my week.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I tell you what, I think there's an invitation. Look,
if the people from field Days are listening, which are
coming up in a week or two, I think you should.
You can set up the stocks and like Mark krayzel Down,
I think they can make a fortune five dollars for
a five dollars of pelting tomato.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Luke, Oh well, I'm right, Belt. I mean, it's like
the honey market that went mental as well, didn't it,
And then that's all dead. Now that's gone.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So now the ostridges and goura goats, all these things
that we.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, she it's Sheep's not a niche market really, although
maybe they're worried that's what it's becoming.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
But it's our backbone, though, it's our farming backbone, and
we just can't grop it out, can we.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
You? What's your favorite ca meat, by the way, because
is it lea lamb shank beef?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I like a lamb lamb shank or lamb or rump lamb.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
That's called running with the hairs and hunting with the
with the sheep there with the lambshit you can't beat
a good lamb shank. But the thing is what I'm
disappointed at back going maybe ten or twenty years ago,
when you get the lamb shanks, you got two lamb shanks.
These days, you go to a bougie sort of restaurant
and they even sometimes put the S on the end
of it and it's just one lamb shank. I'm like,
(35:34):
isn't it. It's It's like I know someone who went
to a cafe that said bacon and eggs and they
got one egg and they're like it says eggs. No, no,
no no, But Lamb Shank needs to be Shanks times two.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Doesn't got to be two.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Do you do shanks at yours?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
No? I don't know. But when I first started hospitality,
they used to give them a way free and then
they went to fifty cents. Oh now now they're blooming expensive.
And yeah, so you go, Lamb Shanks should be two.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, Amshanks should be too. I'm looking forward to being
on the menu. Don't mind a much. Wishes Yes, we'll
be back in a just moment. It is ten and
a half minutes to four news Talks. He'd be and
welcome back to the Weeking Collective Panel with Mark Kreisel
and Luke Dello on Tim Beverage, Now Lucky. Last look,
there was a lot of fuss around this Nelson Art
Gallery artwork and it featured a flag which had please
(36:29):
I think it said please walk on me or walk
on me a New Zealand flag on the ground and
people got very upset about it. And look, I think
that artworks like that, it doesn't do much for me,
and I sort of think it's all a bit silly.
But the one thing that art should be able to
do is do whatever it blimmingwell wants. And if it
upsets your feelings that maybe they've looked for it, maybe
you should either ignore it or it stimulates discussion. But
(36:51):
they've removed it for the safety of staff, visitors and
artworks in our care because somebody kept on picking it
up off the floor. I quite like that as an
expression as well. It's like when the banat there was
a banana taped to a wall somewhere and somebody ate
it because they used to have to replace the banana
because with age, of course. But anyway, what did you
what did you think of this? Because people have talked
(37:13):
about soldiers you fought under the New Zealand flag and
flag and to wipe your feet on it's an insult.
But artist art, and if you want.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
To, art is meant to move you in some way.
Art is meant to make you, you know, make you think,
make you feel something, and that's what this is doing.
If you can't handle it, then move on. You know.
We should be able to have these conversations without getting
offended and storming off or doing whatever. I just think
this is incredibly immature.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Art is opinionated. Look at different art, like that newspaper
over there. We could see it differently in different ways.
You know, that could be a piece of art or not. Hey,
but this, I mean it's a bit of an art glory.
It's an art glory, right, But when you shoot the flag,
that's totally different.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You know, that's well, that's yeah, that's not art.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Are you talking about Tommy?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
You know you know what Flagg you shot? Which one
was the Australian flag?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
He couldn't find a New Zealand one that is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's the fun. That's a true story. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Actually have an artwork by Temmy hanging up in my house.
It was a New Zealand flag. Oddly enough, Well, you
would have a Mari word for go boil your head
really written across it, which is a huge was the
Marry word for go? He would ask me that and
I can't remember. It's on your room, it's on your
what's a long word, tim, it's a long word. It's
not something jenl for woman like that that.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
It sounds like a great bit of art.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It sounds like the sort of art that you would
have to have if you live in a house and
Mary's there. Of course, I've got a little bit if
you would like to come through here to the kitchen.
Just through there in the living room you'll see the
artwork by Tim eat.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I can see why you didn't have them at the
opening exactly this kind of behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It wouldn't fit it in anyway. By the way, when
we say Gg's, it's not the one in k rod
that's a slightly different establishment. We're talking about Ponsonby, aren't we.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Look, that's the one. Is not the one on kaiber
Pass either.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Not the one on kiper Pass either.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Okay, they are getting a lot of bookings down there, but.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
That's just for the hour though.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Oh no, okay, hey guys, lovely to have you in
the studio, Mark Krazel Lukedalo and we'll be back shortly
with the the one roof Radio show Campbell Do Noon.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Can I just say thanks, Tim, because it's a real
honor to be on the number one Saturday afternoon show.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
It is indeed what an honor for you it is,
thank you? Yeah, no, yes, we would you be with that?
I did point this out last week as well. So
it's nice that you've reminded our audience. But thank you,
Mark Hey, and you are the reason for You're one
of the reasons for our greatness and me well, time
will tell. Okay, we'll be back very shortly. It is.
(39:49):
It's four minutes to for This is News Talks. It'd
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Speaker 4 (39:57):
Wish much.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Still start singing? People not I really mean it's a
little good news.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Don't I any mean?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Isn't it something made me bad in the middle?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
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(02:01):
for real PTSD? And now the panel we've seen save
the absolute Wrizzlers for last respectfully fossils first broadcast veteran
news wrangler, professional eyebrow racer. It is Mark Kraizel.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Oh, can I just say I think you slay Ah?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
How many Elphis can you have?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
In one room, though, I think when we could call
one of you a segment, apparently that's pretty cool too,
although we have with that. We had to google that.
And look, he's a hospitality kingpin, he's a ViBe's architect.
He's unofficial mayor of Auckland after dark and he's just
opened as he's just opened his new restaurant nightclub sort
of soire and he's given me a vouch because he
(02:47):
forgot to invite me to the lords. And it's Luke
Dell Louk here you're going.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You are very well thinking. So I didn't know what
you just said then, but hey, I got the jis
got the vibe, the vibe.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Which is confusion.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
We've got more segments than than your grond Mar's pill box.
Apparently the other one. When you're about to get into it,
you say, let me just put the put the fries
in the bag. Anyway, there we go it right?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
How are you good? I'm still getting over being called
a fossil.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, that was that was all down, tom. I was
advised that that was just an age before beauty comparison.
You know, if she's allow, I'd like to dm and
how you do? How is that how is the oupening
gs GS or GGS straight GGS?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
And it was great, It was great. Good to see
the people people out there and the real people out
good support this week.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And no, it's it's flying so you I mean, look,
it's it's ballsy to open any establishment. How's how's the
scene looking at the moment?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hospital is in a bad place. I'll be honest with
you and everyone just saying, oh, it's bad, bad, bad,
But you've got to spin out. You've got to break that.
You've got to break out of the shell. You've got
to make it happen yourself. You just can't be, you know,
relying on people to make it for You've got to
make it as an operator. So when to do that,
it'll work.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And what's now if I go to I want to
say gis Yeah am I am? I going there for dinner,
for drinks for night? What am I going there for?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You're going there for drinks if you're thirsty, dinner if
you're hungry, And.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That one that says under GGS, I've got a great
venue there.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
You know, you're tasting plates and we've got secret dishes
and so forth, plus great beers and cocktails on tap,
like an express of martini on tap and a margarita
on tap. You know, so it's quite service.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Oh my god, I almost feel like I'm going to
go there in the break.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I mean, we talked, we talked.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
About a vibe.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
When you do you create. You need to create a vibe,
don't you.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You've got to create a vibe.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But how do you do that?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Looke? Well, there's three pillars, right, there's the product, there's
the staff, and then is the where it's located. And
the staff is the vibe. It's all around the staff.
That's it. The other two you can control, but it's
all about the staff. Interesting, just getting the market in
the music up and how.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Much time do you spend there on the.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Quite critical and the critical hours like betweenty hours of
four and eight thirty nine thirty, so that the critical hours,
whatever happens outside that, it just happens.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Do you want to see the magnificent Luke Dello in action,
get down there between four thirty and eight sort of
and he'll be there. There you go, that's it. Fossils first,
you go. You'll keep mate, you will, you know, I
love you, Mark, It's just fossils deserve love.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
And carry.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Okay, now, look speaking of fossils, no can we not?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Winston Peters is no longer Deputy Prime minister. They've handed
over the keys to them. I don't know what it's
the keys to to David Seymour. Look, I guess I
don't know if this is too much of a big
deal the media. No, here I am talking about it,
so I'm part of the problem. But you know, he's
been sworn and I think that Luxton had said it
was largely a ceremonial role and got in a bit
(05:54):
of trouble with both Seymour and Winston. But anyway, Seymour
is now going to be Deputy Prime minister. Luke will
anything interesting to say about this?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I've got nothing interest in say about it. All I've
been trusted about is who got How do they pick
who went first?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Age fossils first?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Perhaps how many time when we look at someone else.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Like the mirror, Because Winston, if he's here, if he
picked first, now he can cot straight on the election
in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, I think he's insinuating that he did pick to
go first, that he got lucky. I don't know. They
may have tossed a coin or whatever, but it probably
works out in Winston's favorite He's going on the road
now and he can actually pretty much say what he
wants to say. This is going to be difficult for
David Seymour, who has you know, likes to shoot from
(06:44):
the lip kind of thing. So let's see how that goes.
Whether he conducts himself as and you'd have to say
Winston's conducted himself pretty well is when he's Deputy Prime Minister.
But all bets are off now.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Well that that's the thing is I.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Like Winston the statesman. I like Winston, you know, the
Minister of Foreign Affairs and until yesterday, deputy Prime Minister.
I don't know if it's going to be great. See
I'm not a big Winston fan when he's in chief
politicking mode because he's almost like a completely different person.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Look he is, he flips over. But look at Seymour.
What's it gonna do. I've never seen Seymour in this position.
It's going to be interesting to see how he is.
I think we need to focus more on Seymour to
see how he's going to react to being the deputy
you know, like having a brand, having a name, having
a title he might be.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, and you've got to you've got to toe the
party line. And by the party I mean the government line.
He can't be just spinning off and doing act lines
all the time, which he's done for the past eighteen months.
So he has to stick to that, and that'll be
hard for him, mind you.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I mean, I think Winston's given it, gave him self
a fair bit of bit of chain to operate with.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
N't he. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think Winston understands and loves the idea of the
power and the dignity of the office. You know, he's
done some done some silly things in the House. You know,
his battles with Tim Marti and you know, the Mexican
stuff I think was was pretty unbecoming, particularly for someone
who's our foreign minister. But generally he's been pretty well behaved.
(08:16):
When you you know, when you look at the Winston meet, I.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Wonder if there's an has anyone did an approval rating
sort of thing on on on Winston another sort of
key political figures, because I would imagine even if you
didn't vote for Winston, you might be voting for a
different party. But I imagine his approval rating would be
pretty high at you you reckon?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Look, I think so too. I think personally, I think
he's had a great job so far where he is
at at the moment. And hey, we live in Saint
Mary's Bay and Palestine. Those Palestine protesters.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Outside his hair, Oh that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, so they're going to go, which is great for me,
So are you both, Saint Mary's Bay, the People's Republic
of Saint Mary's Base. Lovely. We're just going to pop
down a little bit of always just along the roads
for a little little kirs Madam. Anyway, I think we've
done that one. Now onto the slightly more serious things,
(09:08):
the potential finding of parents for truant kids. So they're
going to pursue prosecutions for parents who repeatedly refuse to
ensure their children attend school. I've seen the discussion, some
comments from Sema. It's not about identifying people who are
having trouble getting their kids to school for verious social reasons,
but the people who could get their kids to school
(09:30):
and won't, they basically just don't. And what do you
think of this market? Does it trouble you or does
it also? I mean, do we need also send a
signal that school matters.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, it does matter, and I think that, you know,
the reasons are many and complex why people aren't going
to school. Some of them could be working, you know,
some of them could be looking after you know, sick
parents or fano or something like that. There are all
sorts of reasons. Some could just be bad and they're
just not going to school. But I'm you know, I
think the people who listen to in this case are
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the teachers, the people who are at the sort of
chalk face of it all, and many of them are
saying attendance at school is or non attendants is a symptom,
not a cause. And so there are other causes out there.
And as I say, many and varied way kids aren't
going to school. Someone might find it hard to get
to school. But if you punish the parents by proxy,
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you're punishing their child as well, and so you could
be even making that situation worse.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And I mean, I would imagine it would be pretty
easy to avoid, actually the prosecution side, because one of
the things they've said here is that it's they're not
going to prosecute parents of students who are absent due
to illness or health conditions or who were genuinely engaging
with the school and the support's offered. I imagine we're
not going to really almost skeptical we won't see any
(10:51):
any prosecutions. But it's sending a signal.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Look or is it a political theater.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well that's still sending a signal, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I guess yeah. I think it's a shot across bow,
you know, like, hey, loong, get your kids to school.
But I think also I look at the schools and
this case, school's going to be interesting for the child,
and the child is not going to school. You've really
got to have a chat to that guy or girl
and say, what's the story. I don't like this x
y Z yet, Okay, what can we do to get
you interested in school? Just can't cookie cut schools, I
(11:20):
don't think. And I think it's a combination between the
schools and more the schools than the parents, to be honest,
to get the kids motivated to go to school.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, the kids might be as well. I mean, that's
the thing. The causes of truancy can be many and varied.
If the parents dropping the kid off at the gate
and they are going down to the shops and then
how it were their mates. That's a completely different thing
to not even dropping at the gate and not making
an effort to engage with the school.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Do you think we'll actually here's the question, guys. Do
you think we will see any prosecutions or is this
more just a signal.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I feel like it's a signal. I feel like it's
a bit of political theater that you know, it's like
the tough on crime line. You know, it's like, we're
going to get these kids and there's a trope going
through that. You know, parents are lazy, Your parents aren't
sending their kids properly where you know, simplifying what is
quite a compliment, complex issue, But I would doubt whether
we'll see too many prosecutions.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Attendance records. The problem is our attendants records at school
for our kids are terrible.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, they're pretty terrible all around the world after COVID.
I mean, it's it's this is a worldwide phenomenon, not
a good one. It's a it's a shocking one. Kids
should be going to school and that's that's giving them
the best shot at the rest of for the rest
of their lives.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I mean, how many of how many of you guys
have funked school before? Never? I never never wagged school.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
One day, I think, And.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That was I was I was going to say, I
would imagine you've just got that slightly rebellious look about you, Luke.
I was going to I was going to bet you
did it, you know, one day every term I'd say.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
No, I'd love school. It's a great place to eat lunch.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
And luck what he is now, he's catered to the stars.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I used to run the tack shop. Well that's a
sign for what things. Yeah, the runing a tack shop.
And we made a massive profit there, you know too
for one piee turn it over be men men you know.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Actually, I mean I don't mean this, but that's an
early experience in providing food for people and seeing how
people engage with their stomachs and their wallets and.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Everything and their emotions.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, and I mean are there things that sort of lead?
Is that why you were doing what you're doing now?
Is that was that the seed that was planted? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Because it's when you give so one nice cream, don't it?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
See this smile?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And it's like that's the emotions game and hospitality is
all about emotions, you know, like it's also it must
be great for financial literacy one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Like you see, you could do it already, see that
straight away, did you?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
What about you now, Chrysler. You had to have gone
every day?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, I know, yes I did. Sorry, mister Thomas, my
headmaster at the time. Yeah, I took a few mornings
off to go surfing. Really yeah if the surf was good.
It doesn't, it's not.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You're a surfer, dude, Do you still surf? I have
two surfboards.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I don't get out anywhere as much as I like to,
but I like to think of myself. It's part of
in these days of identity politics. I'm happy with that one.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You actually, I can see you rock in the surfboard.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
You've got that sort of you know that up in Terandise,
which is Taranaki and it's one of the best surf
spots in the country. So shout out to my people.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Were you quite good or you just could stay up
for tea?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Okay? I did it right in the school Surf Champs,
the secondary school Surf Champs. I've surfed all over the world.
I've served in Hawaii, Indonesia, Australia, California.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
That's old fossil, really surprising me.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I didn't say it, Mark, No, he did. But actually
that is just another little interesting string to the bow
because we've, as we've in previous introductions, the places you've
worked in, the jobs you've done, and all sorts of
things over your life. Mark, you're an interesting chap.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's very kind of you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think waiting it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It feels like like of those things when you say
to someone they look healthy.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, No, I was actually my mind was busy trying
to work out how I could sort of wiggle out
of it. No, just so in a nice little sort
of something which might have been a backhander. But perhaps
perhaps we won't do that. We'll play nice today, shall we.
Now they're just on the on the children's side of things,
So the concern for children of overstairs. Of course, these
are difficult issues, aren't they. But the Children's commissioners worried
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that there's the law preventing children of oversars becoming kiwi's.
They're talking about breaches of un obligations. But basically people
have come and they're still over stairs. They've got kids
who are now you know, they've been in the country,
they're born here, they've spent most of their lives, if
not all of their lives here, and yet there's a
law that gets in the way. Where are you Where
(15:51):
do you sit with Mark on this on residency, because
there's got to be a protection of our borders type
of thing, but also reality and a human, humane approach
to people who are Kiwi's.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I don't think children should ever be punished for the
sins of their parents in a way, you know, I
just I think this is one of these things that
slipped through the cracks. But there I mean, obviously they
don't even know how many there are. There could be hundreds,
that could be thousands of kids in this situation. So
you know, hopefully there's there's a bit of leeway given
(16:28):
to them by the authorities to try and work this way,
to find some kind of an elegant solution, because I mean,
these kids are born here, they grew up here. They're
probably contributing to our society as well as, like you know,
going through schools and playing sports and all those kind
of things. So you know, as far as they're probably aware,
the New Zealander is, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
What do you reckon Luke.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
I just don't know how it gets so far to
be an eighteen year old.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And not not have have sort of not the parents
having triggered there, what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Exactly like at schools, that must be your first sort
of five year old, Hey where's your parents? Where are Like?
I don't know how it gets that far. I'm quite flabagass.
But like the children shouldn't get. They shouldn't get what's
the word? They should hold dignity and they should hold
a dignity. That's where it is.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And this is where the law is always a tricky one,
isn't it, Because it almost There was a case of
a young man who it was only by virtue of
their minister intervening and saying, look you can stay sort
of thing, but it almost. This is where where the
trouble for draftsmen who draft laws and rests is that
at some point the law just doesn't really fit everyone,
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and you have to have that discretion. And I mean
it's it's like that quote of use from the castle.
It's the vibe, but you do need back to the vibe.
But that would keep the minister very busy if that
all he was doing having to do is exercise his
or her discretion.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I don't even know how many. I mean, most of
them were probably worried to put their heads up as well.
They're probably living a sort of a double life. Anyway,
I would imagine if the parents are overstayers and outside
the system, they're working for money under the table or
for cash.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Look, if you're born here and you've reached the age
of majority, I think you can stay correct The five
oh one.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Thing, isn't it Those people who have only you know
that went over to Oussie when they were six months old,
committed a crime in their twenties and then sent back
to New Zealand and they don't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, that's it correct. Well, look aren't we all very reasonable?
Aren't we? What is today? I think they should just slide.
I think they should slide on those applications. Just we'll
just deal with them in real time on air on
the Weekend Collective. And it's like it's a no from.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Chrys All, a green rubber stamp from dell Over.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Anyway, Hey, look, we're going to be back in just
a moment talking about when people do tragic and stupid
stuff with the running Straight and also the terrible events
last night and LIVI in with the boy racist will
be back in just a moment. Twenty five past three
news talks, he'd be We're bad, We're back. Sorry, that's
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the one. This is the weekend collective. I'mmets and Beverage.
This is the panel on my panelists Mike Kreisel and
Luke Dallo and guys the Run It Straight thing. So there.
Of course, we've had the tragic death of a nineteen
year old Ryan Sattathwaite, who died at Parmerston North Hospital
on Monday from serious head injuries while at a backyard
(19:39):
game of Run It Straight and the Run It Straight.
It's been targeting of social media. If you're a young guy,
I'm sure you haven't missed the ads for it. But
now there's the question about what should be done about it.
What could be done. The Sport and Recreation Minister Mark
Mitchell's said it's not a supported or promoted I mean,
I don't think you can ban these things. People do,
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dangerous and silly activities. The problem is one that might
be done by people who have got a bit more
experience with heavy collisions, such as former league players a
bit better qualified at doing something like this than a
bunch of guys who think they'll do it for a
bit of fun in their backyard and it has tragic consequences. Mark,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, look, it's shocking, it really is. And I look
at this. I've done a number of stories over the
years on head knocks, just on traditional contact sports. You've
got over in the UK at the moment, you got
over three hundred former rugby players in their forties of
have early onset dementia from playing a legitimate contact sport,
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and this takes it to it. You know, you've got
Carl Hayman in New Zealand who's dealing with his own issuation,
probable CTE, those sorts of things, and you can't just
take that many blows to the head and think that
you're going to be okay. But this is tissed to
another level, aiming to the head that you look at
the shape of those guys, they're not in good shape.
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They're just running straight at each other. Watching this week
the coverage and seeing Ardi Savier come out and be
honest enough to say that he played it in his
backyard with his brother, whose nickname is Buss and he
said it made him the players that he is today
is one of the great you know, probably the greatest
rugby player in New Zealand at the moment. Contrasts that
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with the Warriors who all trotted out in front of
the count and said, I don't know anything about it, mate,
I don't know what you're talking about. So obviously being
told by a comms guy but not having the guts
to own up and say something.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I thought it was actually shocking. They should be ashamed
of themselves. Of course they know what's going. Do they
think we're stupid? Honest, they're not aware of this stuff. Yeah.
The warrior's position of not knowing about it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
The same line the coach.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Changer, I don't know much about it or any contact
sport should be done in a safe environment. I mean,
I don't think Tanner umung I can cover himself and
glory just talking about it. It's just people trying to
get ahead in life and things, and well there's an.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Element of that too, you know, and quite often these
sorts of sports. You know, boxing was like that for years.
It was a way out for people in harder economic circumstances,
you know, I mean you can't. You can't deny that.
At least with professional sports like rugby and things like that,
there are things in place. There are standdown periods, and
there are protocols and things, and there's sanctions about going
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for the head. But this everything's off the of the books.
You know, go for yeah, okay, looke, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I just think you can't out lawd peer pressure and
stupidity unfortunately. I mean, these kids here. What was amazing
this week is my youngest son text my oldest son
and said, Max, you do this, stop it now. And
I thought that was quite powerful from a young you know,
from a young eighteen year old, and that really that
was amazing. That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But did it have an effect on I hadn't have.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Said it, yeah, because we you know.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
This is this is why your point mark about the
Warriors being ambiguous about their stance on it. I think
this is someone connected with league is also being involved
in promoting or something. But this is why it needs
the signal from people who these kids respect, saying don't
do it. I heard one pathetic defense saying, oh, well,
people do all sorts of dangerous things like base jumping. Well,
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you know what, if you're a base jumper, you're probably
a very experienced parachutist and a whole lot of things,
and you can't just walk off the back of your
backyard and go, hey, I'm just going to back base
jump attached to a sheet and nothing else. It's such
a BS comparison. I thought, come on, guys.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
But I also look at Dan Hook of the backyard fighting. Yeah,
the fifty thousand dollars sort of prize money. This is backyard.
This is very similar to this, and he's promoting that
as well with fifty thousand backyard That mean it's the
same thing. These are unprofessional fighters, and it's kind.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Of interesting, isn't it. It's this this hyped up masculinity
thing that's happening at the moment. So the big crashes,
the backyard fights, it's like it's at a time where
where I don't know, young men, and I guess we
all did it back in the day. We all played
bull rush, we all had scraps, we did all that.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But you're trying to avoid people with bullrush, you know,
it's not like here, aim for each other as hard
as you can and see who comes off second best.
That's basically it.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And it's little fellas that get bounced off and injured
because they think they can take the big guy down.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And I tell you too, it's not just the big
ones that are that are leaving behind permanent damage. The
things with chronic traumatic and kepelopathy is that's all the
knox you see all the time you had twists and
elongates inside the brain, and that leads to, you know,
these horrible early onset dimensions and things like that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I had a really interesting call or a text from someone.
We're talking about this on talk back and we're talking
about the dangerous sports that are sanctioned and how boxing,
you know, the boxing is almost you get to take
a break before you run out of breast so you
can come back punching again, that you've got gloves on
much protect the knuckles so you can punch as hard
as you can, and all the bad things boxing does.
And we worked out that if you really wanted to
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make boxing interesting, you would have you would have it.
You would have it without any breaks. So imagine if
somebody had to have a fight because they used to
be exhausted before they but instead you get if you
get knocked down, you can eight can't get back up
and take it out again. So there's plenty of examples
of sports that are not good for you.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, let's let's not forget the aim in boxing is
to punch someone in the head.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And knock them out if you can, and also to
avoid the punch as well.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
It's very skillful.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yes, good point, good point, good point, rumble in the jungle.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I still think it's important to sort of like it
is part of being younger and growing up as especially
as a young boy, that you do look for a
bit of danger, that you are looking for things that
challenges just it's just our frontal lobes haven't developed properly,
and that's just part of how we test ourselves find
our limits. All those sorts of things. There's got to
be some some things that we still should be able
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to do that don't involve with people.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And I think, I think what what the point is
is that, like you're your young man who said to
his younger brother, stop it now. We need people talking
about about this. We don't need ambivalence from sports legends
saying oh, I don't know anything about it, mate. I
thought the Warriors let themselves down big time.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
They knew about it. Yeah, they knew about.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It, But.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I do when I think that I did when I
was a kid. It was the top of a hill
and a skateboard and goes straight down. I mean that
was pretty crazy, right, yeah, right, and then you fall
off and you've got these big I won't do that again.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So we've got a surfer and a skateboarder. I got
nothing on these guys.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Walked into a bar.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Own by Luke Dello.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Sorry, Tim, you weren't invited that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You did you get invited to the opening?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I was there, just sorry to disguise. No, I wasn't there.
I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, I'm just gonna I'm going to normally would go
and have a cup of Tina lie down, but I'll
just have a little bit of a cry and we'll
come back with these two and just a moment's twenty
three minutes to four. That's welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
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I'm Tim Beberg, just as the panel, Mark Kreisl and
Luke Dello are my guests and panelists. Now, oh gosh,
have you seen the by the way, people, you will
have heard it on our news about the livid and
boy races. Seven injured, ten arrested, A woman's legs would
run over crowd of about a thousand people, Fireworks, physical aggression,
there's a vehicle used against police who are trying to
(27:42):
break up the gathering. The police helicopter was involved in
chasing one of the culprits. And I've seen the scenes
of it. It looks luke a little. I mean, it
looks like a futuristic arm again sort of movie, doesn't it,
where the terminator is about to walking over the horizon
and take everyone out.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Absolute idiots, these guys, you know, and he looked, don't
it plays for their boy racing? Maybe we need to
create one. But idiots? And I just think if they
get caught, get rid of the cars. I've always been
a man of Look, if you steal something, you lose
a hand, and.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You mean literally or matter literally back in the Roman
Old Testament stuff, crucifaction is too good for.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
So, I don't know, get rid of their cars, get
rid of everything. But hey, look at these finance on
the cars, and who's going to pay for it? The parents?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
M that's well, what happens is I think that people
have pointed this out that with the cars. They're often
stolen because nobody wants to lose their I think that
what they should do is, and I might have said
this on the show before even is that they should
find whatever car they have an interest in and that's gone.
It's not necessarily the one you're driving. What's what car
have you got an interest in? And we'll take the
(28:55):
hottest looking car and we'll get we'll stick it in
the crusher and away you go, and you can spend
a week in the clink. Actually, I think I'm quite
into the short term incarceration.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, what do you reckon? Mark?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Short sharp shock? Look, I think this is I don't
care what people are into as long as they don't
hurt anybody else, right, you know you can do it,
just go somewhere. But these clowns are just the biggest belief.
I take the cars off them, crush them, make them
do some time something, Just make them stop it. I mean,
these things have a cause. They need an outlet, they
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need something to do with their spare time. They're not
going to go stay home with a couple mile o
and crochetting a rug for granny, you know, So find
something that they can do. Maybe Luke's right, maybe there's
a place where they can go and learn how to
drive cars properly. Do burnout, well, they do. They do
have the skate parks.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
They do have times when they were trying to organize
official stuff. They're not interested in the official They're interested
in the the in the TikTok and the Instagram thing.
Spare of them, you know, in the middle of the street.
I'm actually this is hot off the press. Just I'm
just thinking of it, you know. And I said short
term incarceration. I think if you get arrested instant, two
weeks in remand until you can be brought before the courts, stuff,
(30:07):
it lose your freedom for a week or two. See
how cool that feels. I mean it sounds it actually
does it sound extreme? No, it's literally like, hey, your dickhead,
you've lost your freedom until you can get the stealth
through the court.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
If we can take patches of gang members, I'm sure
we can take cars off these guys.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, well that'll be Yeah, let's wait and see any
other any other punishments who can come up We've got
Luke wants to Luke wants to lose I think to
have their accelerate a foot rotato.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Left or right one.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Why why don't we just make them drive really crap cars,
like like really crap cars that only go like twenty
k's or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, or golf cart or yea or golf carts. Well,
I think they would have its own problems. They've been
they managed to find a way of soup in the market.
Stunts on them as well. Ah anyway, Okay, so look politicians,
if you're listening, Mark Mitchell, just listen to us. We've
got the solutions and job done it through parliament with
the news.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's something redeeming about this. But I do see a
bunch of young people who feel and rebelliousness is part
of being young, right, you know, that's how you grow up,
That's how you find your boundaries, as I said just before,
and repetitious, I know. So I only find something else
for them to do. Yeah, I do like the lock
up for a couple of weeks though no, I wasn't
thinking that that's not something else to do, but obstructive,
(31:31):
instant loss of freedom.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You're in remand until your court, until we bring before
the judge, no bail.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Absolute shame. That's shame them.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Put it on the stocks. Rotten fruit. Rotten your fruit
in the stocks. Come and take your shot everyone.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Or dig a hole six foot six foot, six foot dupe,
make sure the soils had.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know what, there's probably someone here taking us seriously
and he is hoping it's the minister. Okay, guys, now
on too. We've got some interesting seguays and topic here.
But Federated Farmers Save our Sheep campaign. It wasn't I
think New Zealand when it was a population of three
million people had twenty sheep and were were the butt
of all jokes for the Australians. In fact, there was
(32:13):
actually quite a good ad for us taking the mickey
out of Australian farmers as well, saying they're packing them
in three to an acre. It was anil verm out
I think. But the Federated Farmers have launched a new
campaign Save our Sheep sos because the sheep population's plummeting
and they're concerned that all this valuable sort of pasture
land for pastures, pine trees are taking their place and
(32:35):
they want the government to intervene with this. I like
a bit of lamb myself, luke I imagine you do
a lovely lamb at Gigi's.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Do you do? You'll never know to.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Got your voucher. We do do a lamb for two,
lamb for two, So the sheep prices coming down. But hey,
I'm all favors save the sheep these things. Once again,
the pendulum has gone too far. These carbon credits. I
don't understand. They were waste of time in my world.
And let's just get more sheep on the land and
give it out to people who can afford for you know, do.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
What we would do, do what we do best. And
I'm not sure great. Look, I think there is I
worry about that land that's valuable pasture land. And people say, well,
it's great if the land is of sort of mixed value.
But you know, I don't like to think of us
getting out of some of our core businesses to do
with lamb and darien.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I mean, if the market was there, then sheep would
be doing fine. I mean, you know, the market has
fallen out of particularly things like wolves and theater.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
But it's been with the pine tree, the green card
of it.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
But I mean the Federated farmers are against anything that
they seem to be against anything that that is environmentally focused.
They push back on that all the time. This is
essentially looks to me, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
All it seems to me.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
It looks like a thinly veiled it's actually not even
thinly veiled an attack on the ets, which is, you know,
encouraging people to plant trees and things like that instead
of farming. It's not just because of that that productive
farmland is going out. It's just like the prices for
wool and things like that with sheep has just died
(34:09):
over the past few years, so it's not economical anymore.
That's why lots of sheep farmers converted to dairy because
they made more money out of that. And yeah, and
I'm quite frankly, I'm sick of being called a sheep
all the time during my week.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I tell you what, I think there's an invitation. Look,
if the people from field Days are listening, which are
coming up in a week or two, I think you should.
You can set up the stocks and like Mark krayzel Down,
I think they can make a fortune five dollars for
a five dollars of pelting tomato.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Luke, Oh well, I'm right, Belt. I mean, it's like
the honey market that went mental as well, didn't it,
And then that's all dead. Now that's gone.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So now the ostridges and goura goats, all these things
that we.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, she it's Sheep's not a niche market really, although
maybe they're worried that's what it's becoming.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
But it's our backbone, though, it's our farming backbone, and
we just can't grop it out, can we.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
You? What's your favorite ca meat, by the way, because
is it lea lamb shank beef?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I like a lamb lamb shank or lamb or rump lamb.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
That's called running with the hairs and hunting with the
with the sheep there with the lambshit you can't beat
a good lamb shank. But the thing is what I'm
disappointed at back going maybe ten or twenty years ago,
when you get the lamb shanks, you got two lamb shanks.
These days, you go to a bougie sort of restaurant
and they even sometimes put the S on the end
of it and it's just one lamb shank. I'm like,
(35:34):
isn't it. It's It's like I know someone who went
to a cafe that said bacon and eggs and they
got one egg and they're like it says eggs. No, no,
no no, But Lamb Shank needs to be Shanks times two.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Doesn't got to be two.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Do you do shanks at yours?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
No? I don't know. But when I first started hospitality,
they used to give them a way free and then
they went to fifty cents. Oh now now they're blooming expensive.
And yeah, so you go, Lamb Shanks should be two.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, Amshanks should be too. I'm looking forward to being
on the menu. Don't mind a much. Wishes Yes, we'll
be back in a just moment. It is ten and
a half minutes to four news Talks. He'd be and
welcome back to the Weeking Collective Panel with Mark Kreisel
and Luke Dello on Tim Beverage, Now Lucky. Last look,
there was a lot of fuss around this Nelson Art
Gallery artwork and it featured a flag which had please
(36:29):
I think it said please walk on me or walk
on me a New Zealand flag on the ground and
people got very upset about it. And look, I think
that artworks like that, it doesn't do much for me,
and I sort of think it's all a bit silly.
But the one thing that art should be able to
do is do whatever it blimmingwell wants. And if it
upsets your feelings that maybe they've looked for it, maybe
you should either ignore it or it stimulates discussion. But
(36:51):
they've removed it for the safety of staff, visitors and
artworks in our care because somebody kept on picking it
up off the floor. I quite like that as an
expression as well. It's like when the banat there was
a banana taped to a wall somewhere and somebody ate
it because they used to have to replace the banana
because with age, of course. But anyway, what did you
what did you think of this? Because people have talked
(37:13):
about soldiers you fought under the New Zealand flag and
flag and to wipe your feet on it's an insult.
But artist art, and if you want.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
To, art is meant to move you in some way.
Art is meant to make you, you know, make you think,
make you feel something, and that's what this is doing.
If you can't handle it, then move on. You know.
We should be able to have these conversations without getting
offended and storming off or doing whatever. I just think
this is incredibly immature.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Art is opinionated. Look at different art, like that newspaper
over there. We could see it differently in different ways.
You know, that could be a piece of art or not. Hey,
but this, I mean it's a bit of an art glory.
It's an art glory, right, But when you shoot the flag,
that's totally different.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You know, that's well, that's yeah, that's not art.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Are you talking about Tommy?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
You know you know what Flagg you shot? Which one
was the Australian flag?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
He couldn't find a New Zealand one that is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's the fun. That's a true story. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Actually have an artwork by Temmy hanging up in my house.
It was a New Zealand flag. Oddly enough, Well, you
would have a Mari word for go boil your head
really written across it, which is a huge was the
Marry word for go? He would ask me that and
I can't remember. It's on your room, it's on your
what's a long word, tim, it's a long word. It's
not something jenl for woman like that that.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
It sounds like a great bit of art.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It sounds like the sort of art that you would
have to have if you live in a house and
Mary's there. Of course, I've got a little bit if
you would like to come through here to the kitchen.
Just through there in the living room you'll see the
artwork by Tim eat.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I can see why you didn't have them at the
opening exactly this kind of behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It wouldn't fit it in anyway. By the way, when
we say Gg's, it's not the one in k rod
that's a slightly different establishment. We're talking about Ponsonby, aren't we.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Look, that's the one. Is not the one on kaiber
Pass either.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Not the one on kiper Pass either.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Okay, they are getting a lot of bookings down there, but.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
That's just for the hour though.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Oh no, okay, hey guys, lovely to have you in
the studio, Mark Krazel Lukedalo and we'll be back shortly
with the the one roof Radio show Campbell Do Noon.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Can I just say thanks, Tim, because it's a real
honor to be on the number one Saturday afternoon show.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
It is indeed what an honor for you it is,
thank you? Yeah, no, yes, we would you be with that?
I did point this out last week as well. So
it's nice that you've reminded our audience. But thank you,
Mark Hey, and you are the reason for You're one
of the reasons for our greatness and me well, time
will tell. Okay, we'll be back very shortly. It is.
(39:49):
It's four minutes to for This is News Talks. It'd
be the one roof radio show is next.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Wish much.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Still start singing? People not I really mean it's a
little good news.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Don't I any mean?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Isn't it something made me bad in the middle?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
All I really need it is a little for more
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