August 23, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by presenter Mark Crysell, and NZ Gardner Editor Jo McCarroll, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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I'm Tim Beverage to welcome to the Weekend Collective. Gosh,
what a great way to get the show under I
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coming up on today's show in just a moment, we'll
be introducing our panelist panelists plural, but looking a little
further forward to when we'll also be taking your cause.
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After four we have, as you know, the one roof
radio show. We're joined by a new guest. He's the
managing director of Hardcourts is Brian Thompson. We're going to
talk about seasonal selling, you know, whether if you're looking
for the price, whether you wait for the spring, but
also agents, choosing the right agent. How do you actually
work out whether this particular agent is right for you?
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Is it because you've seen their ads on the back
of a bus. And also we're going to talk about
buyers agents, in other words, agents who are actually working
for you. So I think sometimes people make a mistake
and think the seller's agent. It's working for them, but
that's just the agent doing their job. And after five
for the parents squad, we've got a new guest, Harpreach
Sing who's the founder of sip Abacus New Zealand, and
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we're going to have a chat about how much preparation
we should you should do and we want your calls
on this. How much preparation did you do for your
kids before school because there's been some pretty concerning numbers
around the pass rates in terms of the competency rates,
especially of year eight pupils. I think it was maths.
It was about twenty three percent. It was pretty bad.
There was a story i think on One News that
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was put in a press release from Erica Stanford last week.
So we're going to dig into that and also just
how to approach computers and calculators and for the sports
rap lots to talk about. We'll be joined by Supermanom South,
Christopher Reeve the NPC. We've got Auckland, Taranaki, we had
Hawk's Bay, North Harbor, we got the Warriors and Raiders,
We've got spring Box Wallabies and I think the All
Blacks might be playing sometime, isn't it they're at the
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bottom of my list almost. Gosh. It lots to talk about,
but right now it is nine minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Parenting, property, politics, plus money, health and the week's debates.
It's all on the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge, News
Talk Zebby.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It's in joining us for the panel. He is the
silver Fox himself. It is. It's not just a silver Fox,
He's the silver Fox. It's Mark kris or Good a marquee. Wow.
I feel amazing now, I know, because normally I sort
of have this veiled insult to you, don't I like beauty?
Actually stuck for words? Yeah, how are you? I'm good?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Actually, I'm just waiting to see if Taranaki is good.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
No, no, no, no, that's my job, you kee. You keep
your eye on the prize.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Good.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I'm better than James Brown.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Okay, which he was alive would have been a challenge, possibly,
but challenge, but now not so. James Brown. Good to
have you on the show and joining joining Mark. She
is editor of New Zealand Gardener magazine, Fantastic issue coming
out out for August already, of course it's bean month.
But anyways, she's no, I was going to make some
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some some sort of pun about beans, but I can't
really do it anyway except we're not going to get
our beans hopefully, because that was when you were going
to get beaten up at school. It's Joe mccarell. Hello,
how are you hello? There was a random intro from me,
There wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I can see a lot of bean puns that were
missed out on has been.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Well, Oh I missed my chance, Mark it just came
And anyway, New Zealand Gardener magazine. My late dad was
always the master, you know, of the beans, and it
was always a happy time of the year when the
first crop would come in. Beans and potatoes were his bag.
So beans this month in New Zealand, but garden.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Beans this month, and specifically the beans that are grow
by the Heritage Food Crops Research Trust in Woman. We
all amazing, Yeah, a charity that does a lot of
work in terms of the role that eloom, fruit and
vegetable cultivars can play in disease prevention.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
So tell me, the best tomato I've ever had in
the world is from Italy. Now is that because I
was in Italy? Or is that because of the age
of their seeds and the.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I think I think it helps to be in Italy,
to be honest, but I would say you can grow
great tomatoes, but if you're looking to grow tomato in
your region, you should look for one that grows in
the same kind of climactic conditions wherever it originates from.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
The search for the By the way, forget the beans
for a moment, because I have also seen on page
fifty one you've got a section of recipes for one
of my favorite I think most kids love to hate them,
and then they suddenly they sort of grow up and
suddenly you suddenly go, oh my god, Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Oh yeah, I love them too the best.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I love them roasted, Oh so delicious, Chalott's, a bit
of Chalott's, a bit of fish sauce, and a little
bit of brown sugar.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
When when I started editing New Zealand Gardener, which is
so long ago, that John Key was a Prime Minister
and and he made some sort of passing comment about
how he didn't like Brussels sprouts, and I got in
touch with his press people and I said, does he
stand by this comment?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
And I and I was wrote in the mag that
I was making a case for a giant Brussels sprout
in Oakuney. I love it to happen. Yet, if Luxon
is listening, you know the people.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I think actually in terms of lux And I think
saying that he's a big fan of the Brussels sprout,
I think that's that's man of the people stuff, isn't it if?
I'm not sure if it's working for him anyway, Look,
let's get on with the show. So it's soho show,
shall we.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So? The Clean Slate Act, there's a pretty bad case
this week as a claim it needs to be overhauled
to ensure that sexual predators applying to become teachers can't
conceal past convictions. It's quite an extraordinary case where there
was an Auckland man with historical and decency convictions was
able to pass multiple police vets and become registered as
a teacher and abuse nine girls. I mean, it does
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make you wonder, how I it just has to be
a piece of legislation that's massively out of date or something.
What do you reckon, Joe?
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Look, I think this is a real concern and a
real you know, there's clearly a loophole there, I would say,
the Clean Slate Act does already. Can you know, you
can preclude certain offenses specified offenses, and that includes sexual
offenses against children. And there's a caveat that you are
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not entitled to conceal that your criminal record if you
are doing something like applying to work with children. So,
but there is clearly a loophole here that this despicable
individual has exploited, and that loophole needs to be closed.
But I don't, I mean, you know, they sort of
repeal the Act and I'm like, review the acts.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, actually that is it because somehow some I mean,
I don't know enough about it. But I don't think
we any of us know enough about what went on.
But he was marked with a twenty fourteen VET with
a red stamp and warned the teaching council that he
should not be allowed unsupervised access to children, and yet
still manages to end up subsequently getting four I can't
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get my head around it.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
He's got he got through four police vest vetting. I mean,
I wouldn't throw the whole system out because I know
there is some I mean overhauled. Overhaul is a good idea,
I mean, and the thing is with sexual predators. It's
one thing that seems to come through all the time
as they are incredibly cunning and they know how to
gain systems and things like that. But I'm looking here,
I mean, will so was a Christmas center, well in three.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Walls, a Christmas center with no police checks.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
That seems like well, and there's no there's no you know,
I mean well, I.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Mean I coached my daughter's cricket team and I had
to go through a police vetting before I did that. Right, Yeah,
they're pretty strong in terms of of you know, if
you if you're in coming in contact with kids, or
you're a coach or I dared to do.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It just to drive the netball van a couple of
years ago. I think that you just sign off and
say yeah, check me out or whatever, and.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
You're glad you had to do that.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You're glad that that.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Protection is in place. But in this instance, yeah, there's
a loophole and it needs to be reviewed. But I
do think you've got to be careful not to say,
let's get rid of the whole thing. This isn't working.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
No overhaul language there.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I think things when they were younger, and you know,
and they should be they should be clean, that shouldn't
be held against them for the rest of their lives,
you know, if they got caught with a joint or
something when they were seventeen.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I think the Clean Slate Act it's actually meant to
be about those sorts of offenses, and it doesn't. It
is never meant to wipe your record if you've done
this sort of feeling, which is so serious and so
in the eyes of most people, unforgivable, in the eyes
of all people, unforgivable.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, it seems remarkable that he passed at least four
police vets between twenty eleven and twenty seventy.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
The thing actually that stood out for me in the story,
I mean, I guess we moved I moved on from
it from the original headline, but learning that he had
been hired a few times to pose in Santa costumes
with young children I think it was at the Westfield
shopping mall chain. All I could think of was the
number of parents are going to be going through their
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photos just thinking or we were to check, I mean,
because there's truckload. Oh, actually, we're gonna be careful about
discussing Sander's helpers because just of I've just realized our
Christmas policy around just you know, some of the magic
of Christmas and not wanting to remove it so good.
I suddenly realized I can't really continue to discuss that
any further, so we'll just knock that one on their
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head dump button. Anyway, speaking of floor, blimey, I don't
know where to go with this one. So Glaine Maxwell
has says in recent interviews. The tape the transcripts have
been released by the Justice Department on Friday that apparently
she didn't see anything inappropriate from Trump. She didn't know
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anything about an Epstein list, so the Lewist Department of
Justice released a transcript of a previously underscript undisclosed interview
with her. She's currently sent serving a twenty year federal
prison sentence for sex trafficking and other crimes. But apparently
no list and I never saw Trump misbehaving. Sounds suspiciously exculpatry,
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doesn't it. Mark, Yes, even if I knew what that
word meant, I would agree with you to get you off.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I know it does, but I find it. I mean,
this is like, I mean, this is insane, because she
has already. I see after that interview, she was already
taken to you know, you know, an easier prison basically.
And so I think this is just a last ditch
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attempt by Trump to move things on and hopefully that
but this stink is sticking to him. And every time
you see that picture of them cuddling up together, or
that that those images of them coling up together, you're thinking, yes,
something weird went on.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
What's your take on it, Joe?
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I would say, I wait those comments by Maxwell exactly
as much as I'd wait anything that came out of
her mouth. I think, oh, yes, she's a liar who
would say anything to protect her own skin. And I
think she has clearly been culpable in.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Twenty year sentence, and I do.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
I absolutely think this is an attempt to buy the
Trump administration to move that conversation along. And I hope
we continue to say looks a bit sus that stink
is still stinking.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Here's the thing though, and I mean people know that
I'm not a fan of Trump's, but I sort of
think that there's not even if some bad facts came out. Look,
we know he's already been paid off a porn star
for sex, and then he had had a damage's claim
for I can't remember. I'm ashamed. I can't remember the
name of the woman, Egen Carroll, that's the one. And
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he's still President of the United States and still popular.
I actually don't think any of the stuff I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
He seems to be smartproof no Epstein was a pedophile.
He promised to open the case, open the books, let
everybody see all this kind of thing, and then it
shut down. He created this conspiracy around it that there
were a whole lot of wealthy people who were connected.
He was happy to with his finger at Bill Clinton,
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but he doesn't like it coming back to him. I
think it's starting to hurt. You're getting people who were
supporters of his before who was.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Saying release those files now, even though whether the files
exist or not, who knows. But you know, he's painted
himself into a corner. He who lives by the conspiracy
theory may end up dying by the conspiracy. I guess
the more that the Democrats get behind this whole thing, though,
the more tribal politics kick him to play, and people
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who have been calling for it to be released. In
the end, they've got a choice between release of tapes
or support Trump, and I think they'll just go support Trump,
don't you think, Joe.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Well, I have to say I agree with you on this. Tim.
I think he's he dare diary he.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Read let.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
No, I think he Trump has absolutely created a situation
where any anything that people say against him becomes to
his supporter's evidence of the conspiracy against him. And he's
so undermined any legitimate facts, alternative facts, alternative facts through
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this continued sort of erosion of any kind of narrative
that people could rely on.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Except it's a bit different.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
This time.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
You were finding Republicans who are feeling really uncomfortable and
back home in their constituencies. A lot of people are saying,
you know, something really stinks here. Now he's paniced quite
a bit, you know, and he's done things to try
and change the narrative.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Remember when it was really hot that he announced that
he was going to be investigating Obama for treason. I mean,
he's feeling it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
He's and he's come out and he's kind of he's
wrong out the troops in Washington, DC, threatening to do
it in San Francisco and all distractions. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I feel this is a slow drip, drip drip, and
it could unless he arrests it some way. Then I
think there's going to carry on, And I think Julane
Maxwell is not going to work.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
No, I thought.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Is going to believe her? Who will, Like even Trump's
most ardent supporters would consider her to be an unreliable narrator.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, of course considering any statements about Trump or she's
talking about the guy who does actually have the power
to pardon her and has alluded to the potential to
do right. Yeah, so look, Oh, it's all very seedy,
isn't it. I'm not sure we're going to pick up
the pace after the break either, But because a couple,
we've got a couple more political things to talk about,
in a bit of AI scam and all sorts of things.
But there is a happy story we can we'll touch
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on before the end of the show, which is about
the vet Clinic, which has had four hundred and fifty
applications because people just love the idea of working with animals.
But we'll be back in just a moment. This is
the weekend Collective Mark Krazel and Joe McCarroll and my
guests panelists, and it's twenty three past three Jome, and
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welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage, my
guests Joe mccarella, Mark Kreisel, and now we're onto a
bit of local politics here. I'm always a bit confused
about personal views and when politicians can offer their personal views.
But Labour's Tammocky Makoto candidate Penny Henri for Labor says
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that he would repeal the gang patch law. And there
was an event on Wednesday night when you know, what
would you do with the gang patch law? The party
Maori candidate replied yes, and Hennahy could also be heard
saying I which is yes, and he says it's his
personal view, not the party view, whereas I do like
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Goldsmith did make me laugh highlighted the comments, saying, oh,
Labour's finally announced his first law and order policy. O okay, Joe,
you start.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Look, I have to say, I think this is a
bit of a storm and a teacup that's been politicized.
It's an election I think you know. Henade spoke out
of turn without a doubt I think his position is
inconsistent with Labor's clear policy line. But I think it's
just been amplified by a cohort who want to paint
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Labor as soft on crime. But I would also say
I consider the gang patch law to be window dressing.
I do not I believe people. I've heard people say.
I've heard people say on the station it makes them
feel safer. I don't believe it makes us any safer.
I think the gangs are still making bank selling meta amphetamine,
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engaged in criminal activity I heard I saw in Kerry
Woodham's opinion piece, you know, seven hundred prosecutions for wearing insignia.
Would that police resource have been better put into something
that made us actually safer?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, I couldn't agree more with Joe. Actually, I mean,
the gang patches don't seem to have made any difference
of all to a gang membership which has grown since
it's come in and and myth use has gone through
and myths supply has gone through. The roof was like
something like one hundred percent. Well, I mean, if that's
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the impact of the gang patches, I mean one of
the things they said.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I don't think there's a quarter cause itive link there
with the gang patch band, Let's smoke more meth. No.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Well, one of the things they said when they came
out and put it in is like, at least when
they had the patches on, we could see where they
were and what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You know. And now again I have to I have
to say, you do when you're dealing drugs.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
We're abing to deal with the gangs. It's been an
abject failure.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
But at the same time, I don't think Labor will
repeal it. I mean, I think the point now it
would just be such a political risk, you know, because
it just immediately will make any party that says they're
going to repeal this look soft on crime. But I
do not think and this is a hell I will
die on that makes it effectively just like.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Uh, that's a big claimer. Who you will that is?
That is a very big one. Look. I don't I
think anything that enables the police to have another tool
to make gangs life difficult than working. No, but they've prosecuted,
they make they make life uncomfortable for them, and it
doesn't it doesn't decrease. You're right, we've got a meth
problem gang and we've got grame gang.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Members produces their accessory choice. I don't think that counts
as making games life difficult.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Okay, So would you repel it if you were campaigning
in an election, No.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I wouldn't because of the political cost of repealing that.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
So it puts Labor in a tricky position here because
obviously it's Party MARII you're talking about that they will
repeal it, and I think National and the and the
coalition government are saying to you know, trying to make
a case for the election next year, that Labor and
Party Mari are going to be the coalition of chaos
and that you know, there'll be soft on crime, like
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you say, and I think this we're going to see
a lot of this next year.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
What is the ext Why are they arguing to repeal it?
Is because they believe it disproportionately affects Mari or something.
Is that what the Mari party's point of view is.
I just don't get it. I mean, you might say
it's an effective piece of legislation, but why would you
say let's let's give them the opportunity to go around
displaying their gang patches. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
It would be because it disproportionately affects Mary, and I
would imagine a lot of.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Fano who are in gangs.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I mean, oh yeah, I would. I'd have to say,
I agree. I think Party Marti would be talking to
a cohort of people who were there was more crossover
with people who are involved in gang culture. And I
don't like that's quite a big statement to make, but
I think you know, you've got to be honest. That is,
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they're talking to people who are who are closer that I.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Wonder if do you think Pena Henery has got a
chance to win that seat back or do you think
PARTI Mari are increasingly governing that space?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
No, I think you'll take it. Oh cool, I mean
National picked up I think twelve hundred votes in that
election last time in that seat, and so I think
that will lean over to probably lean towards Labor. I
think penny wise.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I'm just curious about the party vote versus the candidate vote.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
So yeah, well, I get once again it to ben
who comes out and vote and traditionally people don't vote
and buy elections.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
What are the rules around personal views? Like, it's not
my party's views, my personal view. I'm never really sure
about that, because when Luxelon talked about Israel and he
made the comment that you know has lost the plot.
It's just his personal view. I mean, I think we all, well, no,
you can't have a view as a prime minister.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
No, no.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But I'm just saying, when which places in politics can
have personal versus you know, professional views, I don't actually know.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Actually, I would like our politicians to have the ability
to share their personal views a little bit more. I
think this idea of people just sort of towing a
party line, I think it would be good if we
could hear from the more israel people. But at the
same time, I think Labour's party line on this is clear,
and I think Canada has spoken out of turn and
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that happens all the.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Time, although I don't think they'll be that thrilled with them.
But also when they go in the throes of the
actual big elections, so.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
When they go around go to conferences and pitch forward
policies and ideas and things like that, they all have
personal views. Then that plays into it and then they
nut it together in the workshop and throw it.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Out all right. Oh well, okay, now let's move on
to something else. Two point seven billion dollars for defense.
So the government's revealed the planes that have been chosen
to replace the defense forces aging seven five sevens. I
think the duel and the crown here is I wouldn't
mind being a part of in the air force on
this and this one helicopters basically costing more than two
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billion dollars. These I won't say what the serial number
of them as Seahawk helicopters to replace the existing maritime fleet,
and apparently they are pretty state of the art. Do
you support this defense spending, Mark.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Ah, Yes, I do to a certain degree. I think
for a long time New Zealand hasn't pulled its weight
defense wise. We've relied on the Australians and the Americans
and those sorts of things to.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Prop us up.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
And in this world where the people that have propped
us up for so long are looking inwardly like the Americans,
I think that it's really important. I think it will
pay off in terms of diplomacy that we've seen to
be a major player. But on the same you know,
we've got teachers on strike because they feel they're not
getting paid enough. You can't get a doctor if you
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go to Dargaville Hospital overnight. You know, we don't have
a lot of money to throw around. And when you
throw two point seven billion on defense, that.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Was a very Yes, that sounded like you were straddling offense.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Look, I can see it.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Look.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
The other thing is that I don't know if we've
considered it. We have a trade and balance with America
at the moment. By buying these two helicopters, that will
put us in a trade deficit that may save us
some money in terror.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I don't. Oh, well, you're very optimistic fat chants on
that one. They do sound like an pretty amazing craft.
Twenty meter long. They need three crew, They can reach
speeds up to three hundred and thirty three kilometers. No,
how that's two hundred miles an hour, fly up to
almost one thousand kilometers, and character fifteen hundred kilos. Mate.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
They cost two billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They should be able to do all that stuff. Yeah,
they could probably drop my daughters at school if I
asked nicely, they what a cool way to get to school?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Joe, Well, I have to say I do support this,
you know, I take your point, Mark, I really do.
There's a lot you could do with health and education
and housing and public transport.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And you know which point, Joe, I hold it, Dear Diary.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Do you know what I think Winston Peters referred to
the sharply deteriorating security environment and so a readily today
because I'm not only agreeing with you, Tim, I'm agreeing
with Winston Peters.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You know Winston right now, he's a big fan of
the show. He's running Dear Diary, Joe McCarroll, I'm going
to resubscribe to New Zealand Garden magazine.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, he's any subscriber. But yeah, look, I think, you know,
we have a role to play in terms of our
collective responsibility. I think, especially in the Pacific. I think
you know, those helicopters, Yeah, they sound pretty flash, but
they're replacing helicopters that we used in the Korean War,
you know. And I think, but I also think there
(26:41):
is no amount of money you can spend on hardware
that will genuinely leave us ready to step up unless
we are also investing in people. I think the New
Zealand Defense Force has been critically underfunded, and if we
are not also investing in people, also investing in retention
and training, and the opportunities that exist within that organization.
(27:02):
We are pouring money in a leaky bucket.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yes, and I think this is actually also part of
the a vehicle on a way for attracting recruitment, because
if you've got good kit, I mean, the last thing
you want to be people want to be doing is
joining armed forces. We've armed with a bone air and
a rubber band. You want to feel that you've got
the latest stuff, and this kit is starting to look
quite flash, isn't that?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
I don't do either of you. Have you watched the
Australian television show Hollow Men, No New Oh, which is
a show brilliant show by the people who made the Castle.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Yes, there's a brilliant scene in it where they are
talking about how they're losing all the pilots in the
Defense Force and then at the end of it they're like,
we recruited someone from Jetstar, you know, because.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
The Castle one of my fast all I can think
as soon as you say castle, it's like, it's the vibe.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It's mar vibe.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
It's the vibe. We'll be back with more of the
vibe of the Weekend Collective in just a moment. It's
twenty two to four.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
VESP and welcome back to the show. A fun fact.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
That's Living let Die, that's the Guns and Roses version.
I'm a bit of a reasonably a Bond expert, Bond
theme expert. Fun fact. My producer Tira, she has never
seen a James Bond movie, which feels to me it's
sort of like that there's at some stage you've got
to catch up with some Bond themes, don't you, Mark,
We need to have a whip round.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
The themes are amazing because everybody ever thought about putting
a stage show together with that?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Oh gee, thank you Mark as well. You know that
you can always check out the music is Bond next
time we stick it on. It is pretty magnificent. I
don't mind saying this because of the music, so magnificent. Bom. Yes, indeed,
have you have you've seen you must have seen a
Bond film or to.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Tar Wars film.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh my, neither has Tyra.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
She's just told me, oh my goodness, that is that
really ibarians And I've never seen that gangster one that
Oh no, now you're going to say the Godfather.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Godfather, and no I won't see it because my partner
is always like, we should watch The Godfather, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Neither has Tyra emerging? He actually the Star Wars thing.
If you have a certain I was a little boy
when he says a cinema and those credits rolleder and
were our minds were blowing and I you know that
that anyway, thank you, Tyra, We've got it now. Anyway,
Tyra hasn't seen Live and let die the Godfather. God
(29:49):
there's going to be a list of classics. We need
to let Tyra go out a bit more.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Can't keep a change to this.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Joe up the whole time, team, Tyra, Tyra consumed the
content you choose.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
My this is this is outrageous. Okay, hey, by the way,
there's some really good news here. So Gareth Morgan's been
AI scammed. I'll be honest, People go, oh, it looks
just like them, sounds like him. I looked at and thought,
oh that's Ai because it seemed to be a bit
skippy with the footage. But anyway, he has you know,
he's warned Keiwis to be careful of a deep fake
(30:25):
of him circling social media offering crass financial advice. I
mean it is a worry, isn't it. But I can
tell you the silver lining, but you'll have to guess it. Joe,
what's the silver lining to all this?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
I don't really see a civil learning.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I think it's a very silver lining as we stop
trusting celebrity endorsements, because I think if you're relying on
a celebrity and tell you what what sort of banking solution,
you need to need.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
To stop trusting everything on the metal platforms. I don't
think I think you shouldn't avoid spending money through those platforms.
I think any deal that finds you, I just I mean,
I think those videos are being surfaced on these platforms
because someone is paying for them to be surfaced, and
that business model is.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
A matter predicate it matter is useless at cracking down
on this because they're so powerful.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
They are refusing to crack down on it because it
is making the money, and that money is made by
real people.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
So are you anyone at all If you haven't had
a scam based around your image, well obviously, well you
need to up your game.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Have you had one based around your money?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I also have up my game. I like what Business
Desk wrote this morning, deleepa on Business Desk in his
on the Money column, he said, don't trust Gareth Morgan
when he offers you a two thousand do percent return
on your investment, But do trust the man that wants
to euthanize your.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Cat es.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
He'll ever escape that. Well, I mean, scams are a
serious business. I looked it up.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
It's between two hundred million and two point three billion
dollars New Zealanders lose every year. And a lot of
people lose money and they don't even talk about it.
So those are just the ones we know about. No
one ever seems to get caught. It goes on and
on and on and on, and I'm not surprised it's
so successful because it only takes a few people to
click on a link or or get caught up. And
(32:21):
smart people are getting caught all the time as well.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
And I mean, you know, you might go I can
see that, sai. I think we will increasingly not be
able to see it's a I you know, I think
it's just going to.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Get Yeah, well that's it. It's going to get worse.
It's just going to get better and better. There's gonna
I don't know what the penalties need to be but
somehow the major platforms need to be have some high
level of accountability to sort it out. When that when
you get in touch and say this is me, this
(32:51):
is an AD, it's you know, I should have an
automatic mechanism.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I saw a story out of the New York Post
which analyzed the amount of scams across the meta platforms,
and it that that analysis showed that it had been
such a revenue driver for Meta it had made it
increased twenty two percent year in year to one hundred
and sixty billion. Oh that's incredible, and you know that
is why scam enforcement overall is just not prioritized. I've
(33:16):
just read the book by the New Zealander Seria Won Williams,
who this being New Zealand I know from growing up
in christ Church and she worked at Yeah, yeah, yes, right,
And honestly that's called careless people. And when you read
it you will be sickened by the culture of just
not caring.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
And interestingly enough, you know, as reported on the Herald,
the Facebook marketplace is now a place where you can
go and buy recreational.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Drugs as well. Oh is that where you're getting from?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Never affected me, I.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Would honestly say if your parents or grandparents were using
these platforms, have a conversation about getting off those platforms.
And to say older adults are especially you know, vulnerable
to scams, but they are targeted, and I just it
sickens me.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And never look, here's a really good rule of never
trust a celebrity endorsement, because what does the celebrity know
about it? It's just a famous person saying. I mean,
look back at some of those finance products that the
finance companies that were being advertised. Its just people. Get
over this. Get over this idea that some celebrity knows
something special about a particular product they're being paid to
(34:23):
sell it to you. Move on anything any follow U?
Or is that the final word? Did I do quite?
Speaker 5 (34:29):
You're pretty fastic? Then felt like a full stop.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, unless it's live on radio and Mark Actually that's
why I like, I have to keep going. It's a radio.
That's how it works. If I start, how on, let's
try it. If I don't keep going, hang on, now,
that's not good radio.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
It's all peaceful, okay, right for it's coming down.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
We're going to take it. We're going to take a break,
so I'm going to just force Mark to have a
cup of tea and a lie down while I have
mine as well. It's twelve minutes to four News Talks.
B Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Mark Cris
and Joe mccarell are my guests for the our panel today.
I just think this is quite a fun story. Really,
four hundred and fifty applications for a job in a
(35:15):
vet clinic, so many they just couldn't they just couldn't
process all of them, and they finally hired someone. And
you know what on our road veterinary hospital, I reckon
you'd have to just go and to see who the
who the receptionist is because they would have to be tarragon.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
He or she must be.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, I mean you'd have to just pop in, you know,
take your poochin or your cat, or just borrow someone's
cat and take it and just to meet the receptionist
because they must be amazing.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Joe, Well, I kind of don't agree with you that
this is a fun story. I think it's quite a
sad story. Yeah, I mean, I think you know, these
the business owners have you know, they really did try
and do the right thing, and they were trying to
get back to people. My partner's looking for work at
the moment, so you know, I.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Know I was thinking it was because people just loved animals,
but you're highlighting the fact that work is short.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Of course, work is short. And I think also, I
mean in the same week we had this story, the
story out of Westport where they've been looking for a
dentist for a year and they put up this, you know,
quirky recruitment video, which I have to say nearly sold
me on the job because it's just incredible what.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Happened to mccarrollport. She's planting beans and helping people organize
their feelings.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
But yeah, I just thought it's a real example of
that two speed economy. You know, the primary industry is
the rural sector. There are opportunities there and in the cities,
I think people have been left behind.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Because I wasn't going to mention it, but you have
tied it into that big deal that Fonterra have done
selling mainland, so they're going to be more of an
ingredients supply. But it's a huge piece of news for
the for the for the dairy industry, isn't it three
point eight four five billion dollars so too.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
So it's amazing and that's that's more money into the
rural community and that's great for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
A few Lamborghinis and Morrinsville.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I think they'll be playing down dead. There's good years
and bad years when you're farming, you know, and I
think there'll be they'll be banking that hopefully, but also
money will go around.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
I think on an individual level, I think that could
be good news. But I mean, you know, we have
such a tendency to be so you know, commodity lead as.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Being house price lead.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I just think we shouldn't. Economy shouldn't be based on
selling secondhand houses to each other, and we shouldn't depend
on commodity prices and Chinese demand. We are building on quicksand.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well rather rather that we were getting the good prices
for these things and not though, because it's such an
important part of our economy.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
This preloating farm, that's what we are.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
I think there's a I think with there is a
little bit of jealousy as well. I think that you know,
we don't want to we don't want to be settled.
When we hear about some of the debt that farmers
have got sattled with. When you hear what they're maintaining,
you think, God, I wouldn't want to be in that business.
And then all of a sudden they get to pay
out and I'm sort of like, well, good on them. Really,
it's individual level.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent support it, But you know, I
don't look around and look at the economies, the smartest
economies in the world. I think what they're doing is
just exporting all their primary products.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah, I think. I think that thing with Fontira, and
it is interesting because the Mantra has been for a
long time to add value to our products to you know,
not just send logs or carcasses overseas and things like that.
But I think what Fontira is doing a they've got
to deal with lack talis to take their milk for
quite a while, and that's going to be handy. But
(38:23):
they're going to concentrate on the tech and the science
around it and build it up, and to me, that
seems smarter in a lot of ways. That's a long
term strategy and I think it's a good strategy, and
it may keep scientists in New Zealand and give them,
you know, much more of a pathway than they've had
in the past.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
So I think I think, you know, long term, it
could be a really farmers are going to get even smart.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
It's been a big turnaround in Fontira over the past
few years.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Yeah, and a turnaround. I agree with you. It's in
the right direction, you know. But I just you know,
you think these are new Zealand brands. Once we sell them,
we don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Well, now three point eight billion though not bad, not bad.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
You could get a few more helicopters, yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Oh about two or at Actually you know you'd get
a three point now you get another, you get about
six or seven helicopters.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Can I just say, has just lost the ramfleage steal
by one point?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Look I gutted by that. Have they literally have that?
They have just lost it? That's the breaking news. Actually,
you're a taranaki taranaky.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Sorry, that's more like or terrandise as we like to
say it.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Actually, I don't mind you breaking that news because I
would have looked liked to do that myself. But but
you are.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Someone has to be doing this job. I felt you're
too quiet behind the Really, yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I think there's a bit of sarcasm in there, isn't
there mark you being sarcastic?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Then no.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Anyway, By the way, don't forget to pick up your
copy of the New Zealand Gardener magazine. It's as I mentioned,
on the cover, you'll see the picture of the high
health heirloom beans. What's your favorite bean?
Speaker 6 (39:55):
By the way, Joe, Oh God, such a big question.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
I actually think even though it isn't an alien, but
I think you really struggle to go past top crop.
But I will tell you just a little backstory. You
know whose hands those are?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yours?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Mine? Oh?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Really? Are those your beans?
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Those are my beans? And that plate is my plate.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
What are the ones with the scarlet the ones with
the scarlet color on the Ballotti? Ballotti? Yeah, gorgeous stuff.
And by the way, if you're not a bean person,
if you want a good recipe for Brussels sprouts, just
go to page forty one.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Bad recipe for Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Nope, just get them. Hey, Joe, Joe McCarroll, Mark Kreis
all great to see you again. We'll be back with
the one Radio one Refradio show. The Boss of Hardcourts
is with us talking about choosing an agent back shortly.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
She was a showgirl with yellow feathers in her hair
and dress got down unless you would bring and through
the chat chap and while she tried to be a snot,
Tony always tended bar across the crowded floor. They were
from agel More, they were young, and they had each other.
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Who could have more at the Copa Copa Cabana, the
Hades my North Hobana, the Copa Copa co Banana. Music
and passion were always the fashion at the car.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
They've found had a very good afternoon too.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I'm Tim Beverage to welcome to the Weekend Collective. Gosh,
what a great way to get the show under I
sort of deliberately misinterpreted a request from one of our
panelists for a particular song. I said, I think she
wants for Copa Cabaner, and it turns out she loves
Copa Cabaner. How can you not open a show with
the right vibe with copa Cabanner? Anyway, welcome to the
Weekend Collective this Saturday, twenty third of August, and we're
(01:31):
looking forward to your company. You can feed feedback anytime
on nine two nine two, or you can email Tim
b at Newstalk zb dot curder it and z. I
guess that's if you're not in a hurry because I'm
not predictable on answering my text or reading them. But
coming up on today's show in just a moment, we'll
be introducing our panelist panelists plural, but looking a little
further forward to when we'll also be taking your cause.
(01:53):
After four we have, as you know, the one roof
radio show. We're joined by a new guest. He's the
managing director of Hardcourts is Brian Thompson. We're going to
talk about seasonal selling, you know, whether if you're looking
for the price, whether you wait for the spring, but
also agents, choosing the right agent. How do you actually
work out whether this particular agent is right for you?
(02:15):
Is it because you've seen their ads on the back
of a bus. And also we're going to talk about
buyers agents, in other words, agents who are actually working
for you. So I think sometimes people make a mistake
and think the seller's agent. It's working for them, but
that's just the agent doing their job. And after five
for the parents squad, we've got a new guest, Harpreach
Sing who's the founder of sip Abacus New Zealand, and
(02:37):
we're going to have a chat about how much preparation
we should you should do and we want your calls
on this. How much preparation did you do for your
kids before school because there's been some pretty concerning numbers
around the pass rates in terms of the competency rates,
especially of year eight pupils. I think it was maths.
It was about twenty three percent. It was pretty bad.
There was a story i think on One News that
(02:57):
was put in a press release from Erica Stanford last week.
So we're going to dig into that and also just
how to approach computers and calculators and for the sports
rap lots to talk about. We'll be joined by Supermanom South,
Christopher Reeve the NPC. We've got Auckland, Taranaki, we had
Hawk's Bay, North Harbor, we got the Warriors and Raiders,
We've got spring Box Wallabies and I think the All
Blacks might be playing sometime, isn't it they're at the
(03:17):
bottom of my list almost. Gosh. It lots to talk about,
but right now it is nine minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Parenting, property, politics, plus money, health and the week's debates.
It's all on the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge, News
Talk Zebby.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It's in joining us for the panel. He is the
silver Fox himself. It is. It's not just a silver Fox,
He's the silver Fox. It's Mark kris or Good a marquee. Wow.
I feel amazing now, I know, because normally I sort
of have this veiled insult to you, don't I like beauty?
Actually stuck for words? Yeah, how are you? I'm good?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Actually, I'm just waiting to see if Taranaki is good.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
No, no, no, no, that's my job, you kee. You keep
your eye on the prize.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Good.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I'm good.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I'm better than James Brown.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Okay, which he was alive would have been a challenge, possibly,
but challenge, but now not so. James Brown. Good to
have you on the show and joining joining Mark. She
is editor of New Zealand Gardener magazine, Fantastic issue coming
out out for August already, of course it's bean month.
But anyways, she's no, I was going to make some
(04:25):
some some sort of pun about beans, but I can't
really do it anyway except we're not going to get
our beans hopefully, because that was when you were going
to get beaten up at school. It's Joe mccarell. Hello,
how are you hello? There was a random intro from me,
There wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I can see a lot of bean puns that were
missed out on has been.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Well, Oh I missed my chance, Mark it just came
And anyway, New Zealand Gardener magazine. My late dad was
always the master, you know, of the beans, and it
was always a happy time of the year when the
first crop would come in. Beans and potatoes were his bag.
So beans this month in New Zealand, but garden.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
Beans this month, and specifically the beans that are grow
by the Heritage Food Crops Research Trust in Woman. We
all amazing, Yeah, a charity that does a lot of
work in terms of the role that eloom, fruit and
vegetable cultivars can play in disease prevention.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
So tell me, the best tomato I've ever had in
the world is from Italy. Now is that because I
was in Italy? Or is that because of the age
of their seeds and the.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I think I think it helps to be in Italy,
to be honest, but I would say you can grow
great tomatoes, but if you're looking to grow tomato in
your region, you should look for one that grows in
the same kind of climactic conditions wherever it originates from.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
The search for the By the way, forget the beans
for a moment, because I have also seen on page
fifty one you've got a section of recipes for one
of my favorite I think most kids love to hate them,
and then they suddenly they sort of grow up and
suddenly you suddenly go, oh my god, Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Oh yeah, I love them too the best.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I love them roasted, Oh so delicious, Chalott's, a bit
of Chalott's, a bit of fish sauce, and a little
bit of brown sugar.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
When when I started editing New Zealand Gardener, which is
so long ago, that John Key was a Prime Minister
and and he made some sort of passing comment about
how he didn't like Brussels sprouts, and I got in
touch with his press people and I said, does he
stand by this comment?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know?
Speaker 6 (06:35):
And I and I was wrote in the mag that
I was making a case for a giant Brussels sprout
in Oakuney. I love it to happen. Yet, if Luxon
is listening, you know the people.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I think actually in terms of lux And I think
saying that he's a big fan of the Brussels sprout,
I think that's that's man of the people stuff, isn't it if?
I'm not sure if it's working for him anyway, Look,
let's get on with the show. So it's soho show,
shall we.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So? The Clean Slate Act, there's a pretty bad case
this week as a claim it needs to be overhauled
to ensure that sexual predators applying to become teachers can't
conceal past convictions. It's quite an extraordinary case where there
was an Auckland man with historical and decency convictions was
able to pass multiple police vets and become registered as
a teacher and abuse nine girls. I mean, it does
(07:27):
make you wonder, how I it just has to be
a piece of legislation that's massively out of date or something.
What do you reckon, Joe?
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Look, I think this is a real concern and a
real you know, there's clearly a loophole there, I would say,
the Clean Slate Act does already. Can you know, you
can preclude certain offenses specified offenses, and that includes sexual
offenses against children. And there's a caveat that you are
(07:57):
not entitled to conceal that your criminal record if you
are doing something like applying to work with children. So,
but there is clearly a loophole here that this despicable
individual has exploited, and that loophole needs to be closed.
But I don't, I mean, you know, they sort of
repeal the Act and I'm like, review the acts.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, actually that is it because somehow some I mean,
I don't know enough about it. But I don't think
we any of us know enough about what went on.
But he was marked with a twenty fourteen VET with
a red stamp and warned the teaching council that he
should not be allowed unsupervised access to children, and yet
still manages to end up subsequently getting four I can't
(08:43):
get my head around it.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
He's got he got through four police vest vetting. I mean,
I wouldn't throw the whole system out because I know
there is some I mean overhauled. Overhaul is a good idea,
I mean, and the thing is with sexual predators. It's
one thing that seems to come through all the time
as they are incredibly cunning and they know how to
gain systems and things like that. But I'm looking here,
I mean, will so was a Christmas center, well in three.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Walls, a Christmas center with no police checks.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
That seems like well, and there's no there's no you know,
I mean well, I.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Mean I coached my daughter's cricket team and I had
to go through a police vetting before I did that. Right, Yeah,
they're pretty strong in terms of of you know, if
you if you're in coming in contact with kids, or
you're a coach or I dared to do.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It just to drive the netball van a couple of
years ago. I think that you just sign off and
say yeah, check me out or whatever, and.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
You're glad you had to do that.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You're glad that that.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Protection is in place. But in this instance, yeah, there's
a loophole and it needs to be reviewed. But I
do think you've got to be careful not to say,
let's get rid of the whole thing. This isn't working.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
No overhaul language there.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
I think things when they were younger, and you know,
and they should be they should be clean, that shouldn't
be held against them for the rest of their lives,
you know, if they got caught with a joint or
something when they were seventeen.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I think the Clean Slate Act it's actually meant to
be about those sorts of offenses, and it doesn't. It
is never meant to wipe your record if you've done
this sort of feeling, which is so serious and so
in the eyes of most people, unforgivable, in the eyes
of all people, unforgivable.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, it seems remarkable that he passed at least four
police vets between twenty eleven and twenty seventy.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
The thing actually that stood out for me in the story,
I mean, I guess we moved I moved on from
it from the original headline, but learning that he had
been hired a few times to pose in Santa costumes
with young children I think it was at the Westfield
shopping mall chain. All I could think of was the
number of parents are going to be going through their
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photos just thinking or we were to check, I mean,
because there's truckload. Oh, actually, we're gonna be careful about
discussing Sander's helpers because just of I've just realized our
Christmas policy around just you know, some of the magic
of Christmas and not wanting to remove it so good.
I suddenly realized I can't really continue to discuss that
any further, so we'll just knock that one on their
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head dump button. Anyway, speaking of floor, blimey, I don't
know where to go with this one. So Glaine Maxwell
has says in recent interviews. The tape the transcripts have
been released by the Justice Department on Friday that apparently
she didn't see anything inappropriate from Trump. She didn't know
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anything about an Epstein list, so the Lewist Department of
Justice released a transcript of a previously underscript undisclosed interview
with her. She's currently sent serving a twenty year federal
prison sentence for sex trafficking and other crimes. But apparently
no list and I never saw Trump misbehaving. Sounds suspiciously exculpatry,
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doesn't it. Mark, Yes, even if I knew what that
word meant, I would agree with you to get you off.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I know it does, but I find it. I mean,
this is like, I mean, this is insane, because she
has already. I see after that interview, she was already
taken to you know, you know, an easier prison basically.
And so I think this is just a last ditch
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attempt by Trump to move things on and hopefully that
but this stink is sticking to him. And every time
you see that picture of them cuddling up together, or
that that those images of them coling up together, you're thinking, yes,
something weird went on.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
What's your take on it, Joe?
Speaker 6 (12:37):
I would say, I wait those comments by Maxwell exactly
as much as I'd wait anything that came out of
her mouth. I think, oh, yes, she's a liar who
would say anything to protect her own skin. And I
think she has clearly been culpable in.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Twenty year sentence, and I do.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
I absolutely think this is an attempt to buy the
Trump administration to move that conversation along. And I hope
we continue to say looks a bit sus that stink
is still stinking.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Here's the thing though, and I mean people know that
I'm not a fan of Trump's, but I sort of
think that there's not even if some bad facts came out. Look,
we know he's already been paid off a porn star
for sex, and then he had had a damage's claim
for I can't remember. I'm ashamed. I can't remember the
name of the woman, Egen Carroll, that's the one. And
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he's still President of the United States and still popular.
I actually don't think any of the stuff I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
He seems to be smartproof no Epstein was a pedophile.
He promised to open the case, open the books, let
everybody see all this kind of thing, and then it
shut down. He created this conspiracy around it that there
were a whole lot of wealthy people who were connected.
He was happy to with his finger at Bill Clinton,
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but he doesn't like it coming back to him. I
think it's starting to hurt. You're getting people who were
supporters of his before who was.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Saying release those files now, even though whether the files
exist or not, who knows. But you know, he's painted
himself into a corner. He who lives by the conspiracy
theory may end up dying by the conspiracy. I guess
the more that the Democrats get behind this whole thing, though,
the more tribal politics kick him to play, and people
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who have been calling for it to be released. In
the end, they've got a choice between release of tapes
or support Trump, and I think they'll just go support Trump,
don't you think, Joe.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Well, I have to say I agree with you on this. Tim.
I think he's he dare diary he.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Read let.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
No, I think he Trump has absolutely created a situation
where any anything that people say against him becomes to
his supporter's evidence of the conspiracy against him. And he's
so undermined any legitimate facts, alternative facts, alternative facts through
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this continued sort of erosion of any kind of narrative
that people could rely on.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Except it's a bit different.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
This time.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
You were finding Republicans who are feeling really uncomfortable and
back home in their constituencies. A lot of people are saying,
you know, something really stinks here. Now he's paniced quite
a bit, you know, and he's done things to try
and change the narrative.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Remember when it was really hot that he announced that
he was going to be investigating Obama for treason. I mean,
he's feeling it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
He's and he's come out and he's kind of he's
wrong out the troops in Washington, DC, threatening to do
it in San Francisco and all distractions. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I feel this is a slow drip, drip drip, and
it could unless he arrests it some way. Then I
think there's going to carry on, And I think Julane
Maxwell is not going to work.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
No, I thought.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Is going to believe her? Who will, Like even Trump's
most ardent supporters would consider her to be an unreliable narrator.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, of course considering any statements about Trump or she's
talking about the guy who does actually have the power
to pardon her and has alluded to the potential to
do right. Yeah, so look, Oh, it's all very seedy,
isn't it. I'm not sure we're going to pick up
the pace after the break either, But because a couple,
we've got a couple more political things to talk about,
in a bit of AI scam and all sorts of things.
But there is a happy story we can we'll touch
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on before the end of the show, which is about
the vet Clinic, which has had four hundred and fifty
applications because people just love the idea of working with animals.
But we'll be back in just a moment. This is
the weekend Collective Mark Krazel and Joe McCarroll and my
guests panelists, and it's twenty three past three Jome, and
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welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage, my
guests Joe mccarella, Mark Kreisel, and now we're onto a
bit of local politics here. I'm always a bit confused
about personal views and when politicians can offer their personal views.
But Labour's Tammocky Makoto candidate Penny Henri for Labor says
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that he would repeal the gang patch law. And there
was an event on Wednesday night when you know, what
would you do with the gang patch law? The party
Maori candidate replied yes, and Hennahy could also be heard
saying I which is yes, and he says it's his
personal view, not the party view, whereas I do like
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Goldsmith did make me laugh highlighted the comments, saying, oh,
Labour's finally announced his first law and order policy. O okay, Joe,
you start.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Look, I have to say, I think this is a
bit of a storm and a teacup that's been politicized.
It's an election I think you know. Henade spoke out
of turn without a doubt I think his position is
inconsistent with Labor's clear policy line. But I think it's
just been amplified by a cohort who want to paint
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Labor as soft on crime. But I would also say
I consider the gang patch law to be window dressing.
I do not I believe people. I've heard people say.
I've heard people say on the station it makes them
feel safer. I don't believe it makes us any safer.
I think the gangs are still making bank selling meta amphetamine,
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engaged in criminal activity I heard I saw in Kerry
Woodham's opinion piece, you know, seven hundred prosecutions for wearing insignia.
Would that police resource have been better put into something
that made us actually safer?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, I couldn't agree more with Joe. Actually, I mean,
the gang patches don't seem to have made any difference
of all to a gang membership which has grown since
it's come in and and myth use has gone through
and myths supply has gone through. The roof was like
something like one hundred percent. Well, I mean, if that's
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the impact of the gang patches, I mean one of
the things they said.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I don't think there's a quarter cause itive link there
with the gang patch band, Let's smoke more meth. No.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Well, one of the things they said when they came
out and put it in is like, at least when
they had the patches on, we could see where they
were and what they were doing.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You know. And now again I have to I have
to say, you do when you're dealing drugs.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
We're abing to deal with the gangs. It's been an
abject failure.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
But at the same time, I don't think Labor will
repeal it. I mean, I think the point now it
would just be such a political risk, you know, because
it just immediately will make any party that says they're
going to repeal this look soft on crime. But I
do not think and this is a hell I will
die on that makes it effectively just like.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Uh, that's a big claimer. Who you will that is?
That is a very big one. Look. I don't I
think anything that enables the police to have another tool
to make gangs life difficult than working. No, but they've prosecuted,
they make they make life uncomfortable for them, and it
doesn't it doesn't decrease. You're right, we've got a meth
problem gang and we've got grame gang.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Members produces their accessory choice. I don't think that counts
as making games life difficult.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Okay, So would you repel it if you were campaigning
in an election, No.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I wouldn't because of the political cost of repealing that.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
So it puts Labor in a tricky position here because
obviously it's Party MARII you're talking about that they will
repeal it, and I think National and the and the
coalition government are saying to you know, trying to make
a case for the election next year, that Labor and
Party Mari are going to be the coalition of chaos
and that you know, there'll be soft on crime, like
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you say, and I think this we're going to see
a lot of this next year.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
What is the ext Why are they arguing to repeal it?
Is because they believe it disproportionately affects Mari or something.
Is that what the Mari party's point of view is.
I just don't get it. I mean, you might say
it's an effective piece of legislation, but why would you
say let's let's give them the opportunity to go around
displaying their gang patches. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
It would be because it disproportionately affects Mary, and I
would imagine a lot of.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Fano who are in gangs.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I mean, oh yeah, I would. I'd have to say,
I agree. I think Party Marti would be talking to
a cohort of people who were there was more crossover
with people who are involved in gang culture. And I
don't like that's quite a big statement to make, but
I think you know, you've got to be honest. That is,
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they're talking to people who are who are closer that I.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Wonder if do you think Pena Henery has got a
chance to win that seat back or do you think
PARTI Mari are increasingly governing that space?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
No, I think you'll take it. Oh cool, I mean
National picked up I think twelve hundred votes in that
election last time in that seat, and so I think
that will lean over to probably lean towards Labor. I
think penny wise.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I'm just curious about the party vote versus the candidate vote.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
So yeah, well, I get once again it to ben
who comes out and vote and traditionally people don't vote
and buy elections.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
What are the rules around personal views? Like, it's not
my party's views, my personal view. I'm never really sure
about that, because when Luxelon talked about Israel and he
made the comment that you know has lost the plot.
It's just his personal view. I mean, I think we all, well, no,
you can't have a view as a prime minister.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
No, no.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But I'm just saying, when which places in politics can
have personal versus you know, professional views, I don't actually know.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Actually, I would like our politicians to have the ability
to share their personal views a little bit more. I
think this idea of people just sort of towing a
party line, I think it would be good if we
could hear from the more israel people. But at the
same time, I think Labour's party line on this is clear,
and I think Canada has spoken out of turn and
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that happens all the.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Time, although I don't think they'll be that thrilled with them.
But also when they go in the throes of the
actual big elections, so.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
When they go around go to conferences and pitch forward
policies and ideas and things like that, they all have
personal views. Then that plays into it and then they
nut it together in the workshop and throw it.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Out all right. Oh well, okay, now let's move on
to something else. Two point seven billion dollars for defense.
So the government's revealed the planes that have been chosen
to replace the defense forces aging seven five sevens. I
think the duel and the crown here is I wouldn't
mind being a part of in the air force on
this and this one helicopters basically costing more than two
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billion dollars. These I won't say what the serial number
of them as Seahawk helicopters to replace the existing maritime fleet,
and apparently they are pretty state of the art. Do
you support this defense spending, Mark.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Ah, Yes, I do to a certain degree. I think
for a long time New Zealand hasn't pulled its weight
defense wise. We've relied on the Australians and the Americans
and those sorts of things to.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Prop us up.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
And in this world where the people that have propped
us up for so long are looking inwardly like the Americans,
I think that it's really important. I think it will
pay off in terms of diplomacy that we've seen to
be a major player. But on the same you know,
we've got teachers on strike because they feel they're not
getting paid enough. You can't get a doctor if you
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go to Dargaville Hospital overnight. You know, we don't have
a lot of money to throw around. And when you
throw two point seven billion on defense, that.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Was a very Yes, that sounded like you were straddling offense.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Look, I can see it.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Look.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
The other thing is that I don't know if we've
considered it. We have a trade and balance with America
at the moment. By buying these two helicopters, that will
put us in a trade deficit that may save us
some money in terror.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I don't. Oh, well, you're very optimistic fat chants on
that one. They do sound like an pretty amazing craft.
Twenty meter long. They need three crew, They can reach
speeds up to three hundred and thirty three kilometers. No,
how that's two hundred miles an hour, fly up to
almost one thousand kilometers, and character fifteen hundred kilos. Mate.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
They cost two billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They should be able to do all that stuff. Yeah,
they could probably drop my daughters at school if I
asked nicely, they what a cool way to get to school?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Joe, Well, I have to say I do support this,
you know, I take your point, Mark, I really do.
There's a lot you could do with health and education
and housing and public transport.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And you know which point, Joe, I hold it, Dear Diary.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Do you know what I think Winston Peters referred to
the sharply deteriorating security environment and so a readily today
because I'm not only agreeing with you, Tim, I'm agreeing
with Winston Peters.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You know Winston right now, he's a big fan of
the show. He's running Dear Diary, Joe McCarroll, I'm going
to resubscribe to New Zealand Garden magazine.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, he's any subscriber. But yeah, look, I think, you know,
we have a role to play in terms of our
collective responsibility. I think, especially in the Pacific. I think
you know, those helicopters, Yeah, they sound pretty flash, but
they're replacing helicopters that we used in the Korean War,
you know. And I think, but I also think there
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is no amount of money you can spend on hardware
that will genuinely leave us ready to step up unless
we are also investing in people. I think the New
Zealand Defense Force has been critically underfunded, and if we
are not also investing in people, also investing in retention
and training, and the opportunities that exist within that organization.
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We are pouring money in a leaky bucket.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yes, and I think this is actually also part of
the a vehicle on a way for attracting recruitment, because
if you've got good kit, I mean, the last thing
you want to be people want to be doing is
joining armed forces. We've armed with a bone air and
a rubber band. You want to feel that you've got
the latest stuff, and this kit is starting to look
quite flash, isn't that?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
I don't do either of you. Have you watched the
Australian television show Hollow Men, No New Oh, which is
a show brilliant show by the people who made the Castle.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Yes, there's a brilliant scene in it where they are
talking about how they're losing all the pilots in the
Defense Force and then at the end of it they're like,
we recruited someone from Jetstar, you know, because.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
The Castle one of my fast all I can think
as soon as you say castle, it's like, it's the vibe.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It's mar vibe.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
It's the vibe. We'll be back with more of the
vibe of the Weekend Collective in just a moment. It's
twenty two to four.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
VESP and welcome back to the show. A fun fact.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
That's Living let Die, that's the Guns and Roses version.
I'm a bit of a reasonably a Bond expert, Bond
theme expert. Fun fact. My producer Tira, she has never
seen a James Bond movie, which feels to me it's
sort of like that there's at some stage you've got
to catch up with some Bond themes, don't you, Mark,
We need to have a whip round.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
The themes are amazing because everybody ever thought about putting
a stage show together with that?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Oh gee, thank you Mark as well. You know that
you can always check out the music is Bond next
time we stick it on. It is pretty magnificent. I
don't mind saying this because of the music, so magnificent. Bom. Yes, indeed,
have you have you've seen you must have seen a
Bond film or to.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Tar Wars film.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh my, neither has Tyra.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
She's just told me, oh my goodness, that is that
really ibarians And I've never seen that gangster one that
Oh no, now you're going to say the Godfather.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Godfather, and no I won't see it because my partner
is always like, we should watch The Godfather, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Neither has Tyra emerging? He actually the Star Wars thing.
If you have a certain I was a little boy
when he says a cinema and those credits rolleder and
were our minds were blowing and I you know that
that anyway, thank you, Tyra, We've got it now. Anyway,
Tyra hasn't seen Live and let die the Godfather. God
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there's going to be a list of classics. We need
to let Tyra go out a bit more.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Can't keep a change to this.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Joe up the whole time, team, Tyra, Tyra consumed the
content you choose.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
My this is this is outrageous. Okay, hey, by the way,
there's some really good news here. So Gareth Morgan's been
AI scammed. I'll be honest, People go, oh, it looks
just like them, sounds like him. I looked at and thought,
oh that's Ai because it seemed to be a bit
skippy with the footage. But anyway, he has you know,
he's warned Keiwis to be careful of a deep fake
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of him circling social media offering crass financial advice. I
mean it is a worry, isn't it. But I can
tell you the silver lining, but you'll have to guess it. Joe,
what's the silver lining to all this?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
I don't really see a civil learning.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I think it's a very silver lining as we stop
trusting celebrity endorsements, because I think if you're relying on
a celebrity and tell you what what sort of banking solution,
you need to need.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
To stop trusting everything on the metal platforms. I don't
think I think you shouldn't avoid spending money through those platforms.
I think any deal that finds you, I just I mean,
I think those videos are being surfaced on these platforms
because someone is paying for them to be surfaced, and
that business model is.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
A matter predicate it matter is useless at cracking down
on this because they're so powerful.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
They are refusing to crack down on it because it
is making the money, and that money is made by
real people.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
So are you anyone at all If you haven't had
a scam based around your image, well obviously, well you
need to up your game.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Have you had one based around your money?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I also have up my game. I like what Business
Desk wrote this morning, deleepa on Business Desk in his
on the Money column, he said, don't trust Gareth Morgan
when he offers you a two thousand do percent return
on your investment, But do trust the man that wants
to euthanize your.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Cat es.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
He'll ever escape that. Well, I mean, scams are a
serious business. I looked it up.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
It's between two hundred million and two point three billion
dollars New Zealanders lose every year. And a lot of
people lose money and they don't even talk about it.
So those are just the ones we know about. No
one ever seems to get caught. It goes on and
on and on and on, and I'm not surprised it's
so successful because it only takes a few people to
click on a link or or get caught up. And
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smart people are getting caught all the time as well.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
And I mean, you know, you might go I can
see that, sai. I think we will increasingly not be
able to see it's a I you know, I think
it's just going to.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Get Yeah, well that's it. It's going to get worse.
It's just going to get better and better. There's gonna
I don't know what the penalties need to be but
somehow the major platforms need to be have some high
level of accountability to sort it out. When that when
you get in touch and say this is me, this
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is an AD, it's you know, I should have an
automatic mechanism.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I saw a story out of the New York Post
which analyzed the amount of scams across the meta platforms,
and it that that analysis showed that it had been
such a revenue driver for Meta it had made it
increased twenty two percent year in year to one hundred
and sixty billion. Oh that's incredible, and you know that
is why scam enforcement overall is just not prioritized. I've
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just read the book by the New Zealander Seria Won Williams,
who this being New Zealand I know from growing up
in christ Church and she worked at Yeah, yeah, yes, right,
And honestly that's called careless people. And when you read
it you will be sickened by the culture of just
not caring.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
And interestingly enough, you know, as reported on the Herald,
the Facebook marketplace is now a place where you can
go and buy recreational.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Drugs as well. Oh is that where you're getting from?
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Never affected me, I.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Would honestly say if your parents or grandparents were using
these platforms, have a conversation about getting off those platforms.
And to say older adults are especially you know, vulnerable
to scams, but they are targeted, and I just it
sickens me.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And never look, here's a really good rule of never
trust a celebrity endorsement, because what does the celebrity know
about it? It's just a famous person saying. I mean,
look back at some of those finance products that the
finance companies that were being advertised. Its just people. Get
over this. Get over this idea that some celebrity knows
something special about a particular product they're being paid to
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sell it to you. Move on anything any follow U?
Or is that the final word? Did I do quite?
Speaker 5 (34:29):
You're pretty fastic? Then felt like a full stop.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, unless it's live on radio and Mark Actually that's
why I like, I have to keep going. It's a radio.
That's how it works. If I start, how on, let's
try it. If I don't keep going, hang on, now,
that's not good radio.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
It's all peaceful, okay, right for it's coming down.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
We're going to take it. We're going to take a break,
so I'm going to just force Mark to have a
cup of tea and a lie down while I have
mine as well. It's twelve minutes to four News Talks.
B Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Mark Cris
and Joe mccarell are my guests for the our panel today.
I just think this is quite a fun story. Really,
four hundred and fifty applications for a job in a
(35:15):
vet clinic, so many they just couldn't they just couldn't
process all of them, and they finally hired someone. And
you know what on our road veterinary hospital, I reckon
you'd have to just go and to see who the
who the receptionist is because they would have to be tarragon.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
He or she must be.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, I mean you'd have to just pop in, you know,
take your poochin or your cat, or just borrow someone's
cat and take it and just to meet the receptionist
because they must be amazing.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Joe, Well, I kind of don't agree with you that
this is a fun story. I think it's quite a
sad story. Yeah, I mean, I think you know, these
the business owners have you know, they really did try
and do the right thing, and they were trying to
get back to people. My partner's looking for work at
the moment, so you know, I.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Know I was thinking it was because people just loved animals,
but you're highlighting the fact that work is short.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Of course, work is short. And I think also, I
mean in the same week we had this story, the
story out of Westport where they've been looking for a
dentist for a year and they put up this, you know,
quirky recruitment video, which I have to say nearly sold
me on the job because it's just incredible what.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Happened to mccarrollport. She's planting beans and helping people organize
their feelings.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
But yeah, I just thought it's a real example of
that two speed economy. You know, the primary industry is
the rural sector. There are opportunities there and in the cities,
I think people have been left behind.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Because I wasn't going to mention it, but you have
tied it into that big deal that Fonterra have done
selling mainland, so they're going to be more of an
ingredients supply. But it's a huge piece of news for
the for the for the dairy industry, isn't it three
point eight four five billion dollars so too.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
So it's amazing and that's that's more money into the
rural community and that's great for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
A few Lamborghinis and Morrinsville.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I think they'll be playing down dead. There's good years
and bad years when you're farming, you know, and I
think there'll be they'll be banking that hopefully, but also
money will go around.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
I think on an individual level, I think that could
be good news. But I mean, you know, we have
such a tendency to be so you know, commodity lead as.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Being house price lead.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I just think we shouldn't. Economy shouldn't be based on
selling secondhand houses to each other, and we shouldn't depend
on commodity prices and Chinese demand. We are building on quicksand.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well rather rather that we were getting the good prices
for these things and not though, because it's such an
important part of our economy.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
This preloating farm, that's what we are.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
I think there's a I think with there is a
little bit of jealousy as well. I think that you know,
we don't want to we don't want to be settled.
When we hear about some of the debt that farmers
have got sattled with. When you hear what they're maintaining,
you think, God, I wouldn't want to be in that business.
And then all of a sudden they get to pay
out and I'm sort of like, well, good on them. Really,
it's individual level.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent support it, But you know, I
don't look around and look at the economies, the smartest
economies in the world. I think what they're doing is
just exporting all their primary products.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah, I think. I think that thing with Fontira, and
it is interesting because the Mantra has been for a
long time to add value to our products to you know,
not just send logs or carcasses overseas and things like that.
But I think what Fontira is doing a they've got
to deal with lack talis to take their milk for
quite a while, and that's going to be handy. But
(38:23):
they're going to concentrate on the tech and the science
around it and build it up, and to me, that
seems smarter in a lot of ways. That's a long
term strategy and I think it's a good strategy, and
it may keep scientists in New Zealand and give them,
you know, much more of a pathway than they've had
in the past.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
So I think I think, you know, long term, it
could be a really farmers are going to get even smart.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
It's been a big turnaround in Fontira over the past
few years.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Yeah, and a turnaround. I agree with you. It's in
the right direction, you know. But I just you know,
you think these are new Zealand brands. Once we sell them,
we don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Well, now three point eight billion though not bad, not bad.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
You could get a few more helicopters, yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Oh about two or at Actually you know you'd get
a three point now you get another, you get about
six or seven helicopters.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Can I just say, has just lost the ramfleage steal
by one point?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Look I gutted by that. Have they literally have that?
They have just lost it? That's the breaking news. Actually,
you're a taranaki taranaky.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Sorry, that's more like or terrandise as we like to
say it.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Actually, I don't mind you breaking that news because I
would have looked liked to do that myself. But but
you are.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Someone has to be doing this job. I felt you're
too quiet behind the Really, yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I think there's a bit of sarcasm in there, isn't
there mark you being sarcastic?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Then no.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Anyway, By the way, don't forget to pick up your
copy of the New Zealand Gardener magazine. It's as I mentioned,
on the cover, you'll see the picture of the high
health heirloom beans. What's your favorite bean?
Speaker 6 (39:55):
By the way, Joe, Oh God, such a big question.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
I actually think even though it isn't an alien, but
I think you really struggle to go past top crop.
But I will tell you just a little backstory. You
know whose hands those are?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yours?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Mine? Oh?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Really? Are those your beans?
Speaker 6 (40:12):
Those are my beans? And that plate is my plate.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
What are the ones with the scarlet the ones with
the scarlet color on the Ballotti? Ballotti? Yeah, gorgeous stuff.
And by the way, if you're not a bean person,
if you want a good recipe for Brussels sprouts, just
go to page forty one.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Bad recipe for Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Nope, just get them. Hey, Joe, Joe McCarroll, Mark Kreis
all great to see you again. We'll be back with
the one Radio one Refradio show. The Boss of Hardcourts
is with us talking about choosing an agent back shortly.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
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