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I'm Tim Beverage. Welcome to the Weekend Collective the Saturday,
the first of February. Gosh, we're into month two already,
aren't we twenty twenty five. Good to be back, hey.
Thanks also, by the way, just in passing because I
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show in just a moment, the panel with my as
always esteemed panelists and including one who's been absent for
quite a while but she's decided to come in from
the cold. And anyway, after four we have the one
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roof radio show. We'll be talking with Nick Goodall from
Core Logic. Not just about what the data is telling
us about the market, but what actually needs to happen
to get the property market cracking again? Because so I've
been up in Northland for a few days and I
did notice quite a lot of coastal property for sale
and a few conversations which are indicating to me maybe
that kickback of the property market which was predicted a
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while ago hasn't happened. After five for the Parents Squad
with John Cowen talking about helping your kids deal with
the changes and adapting to the new schools, friend groups,
all that sort of stuff. Apparently getting kids to talk
is not just your problem or my problem. Prince William
is an immune from having his kids shut them out
when it comes to chatting about school either. So we'll
have a chat about that, and if we have time
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as well, what are the movies from your childhood that
you should get your kids to watch or not to
watch Chitty Chitty being Being the Childcatcher, among others. Anyway,
welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is eight minutes past three, right,
it's time for our panel, and I'm going to go
age before beauty, and in fact I will go age
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before beauty, which should remove any guesswork about who we're
going to have on well right now. He is better
known as the resident builder, but fun fact, he's also
capable of holding some pretty obnoxious opinions, which is why
we love him. It's Pete wolf Camp.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Pete and I've done the perfect preparations greeting. It's nice
to see you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Looking actually funnily enough, I say age before beauty, just
as a cheap sort of remark, But you are looking
very something different about You've got the heads. He's going
you can't talk yet because we haven't introduced you. He
is looking George, You're looking very silver foxer. She's got
it is longer here or is it shorter here? I
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can't well much longer.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And finally I relented and had a decent old haircut.
But yes, yeah, increasingly great, Thank you too.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But you're not looking actually pretty handsome if I could
say that anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You're a lovely man.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I know I am, And what am I going to get?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, I've almost introduced yourself. Well, I was going to say,
it's been a long time between drinks since we had
our last panel. Our next panelist on the show album
and she when she abandoned us to for iy some
bigger fish. There's been lots of change, and since then
she's also become a mum and it's welcome back to
Anna Bin's Francis.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Thank you. Look at how that fish turned out. Ah
here I am.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Anna Burns Francis. I think your LinkedIn profile is it's
locked and loaded it look, I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Looking for opportunities always.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
How's motherhood going?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
God, I don't know. Ask any parent you know what
parenthood's like. It's just a roller coaster. Only deal with
the bit that you have to deal with right in
the moment, yes, worry about the rest later on.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
That's good advice because my old eldest daughter, who's they've
always been my little girls, and now they're just one
of them's taller than my wife and the other one
closing in fast. But I just realized in six months time,
she is more than halfway. This sounds ridiculous, doesn't it
more than halfway to finishing high school. And I'm sort
of like, I'm not, I'm not ready for this. You're
on the sort of the final curve towards possibly leaving home,
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and I'm emotionally not ready for it.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, your little bird is going to fly the nest.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I tell you what, how old's you are? A little girl?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
She's not not quite nine months.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Okay, well just remember this moment, because suddenly in about
fifteen years time ago, I seem to remember we're talking
to Tim Beverage and he said it would be just
a blink of an eye before the terrible teens or anyway.
Nice to have you back, Anna, thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
I'm delighted to be here.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I was saying to Tim Pete that you actually taught
me how to paint from watching the block. It's all
in the preparation.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Listen, I did it.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I thought the result looked fantastic, and.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
We enabled people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, when you say enabled, Francis didn't just paint her
house in terms of doing a bit of you know,
a bit of rolling on the end eternal walls. It's
a two story building. Hands up, hands up? Who did
the external of awesome?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
But a scaffe's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
How many days did it take?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
No, Well, I told him I would give my I
would let myself pay for parking at sky I said,
I was working at TVs, and I said, every day
that I paint on the house, I will let myself
drive to work instead of catching the bus, and I
definitely spent more money on parking than it would have.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Got a paint.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Did you hire the scaffolding for Yes? But I looked
at it the end went are we talking monuments, We're
talking weeks or months, months? And look you finished it.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
You stocked to it like two bedrooms or three bedrooms
and a bathroom and all of the downstairs.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It was enormous, well done.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
If I'd do it again, No, if you wash it
every year, you'll probably get ten years. I sold it.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You've moved already.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Someone else can hit the pain job while it looks
really good, tremendous value.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Hey, good to have you on the show now, just
I thought we'd start off with some nice positive news
that Dunedin Hospital the build has finally been confirmed and
it seems the mayor was happy. I did watch now
as a television journalist as well. Anna. I thought the
technique was I'm always suspicious when they show the crowd
of protesters, but they zoom in on about three people,
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and I think I worked out that there were probably
only twenty protesters there.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Anyway, I thought you were going to say there're only
three people there like, let's be fair, it's the university
hasn't started and it's Dunedin. The population isn't enormous in
Tonedin this time of year. Twitty's not a bad crowd anyway.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I've announced it. There's going to be room to move.
I'm not that sympathetic with the protesters because we've got
so much money to spend on so much infrastructure. You're
getting a new hospital. There's room for growth. And I
think many of the people in the vox pops, much
as I hate vox pops as well, liked it. Pete,
what did you think?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Funnily enough, I was coming back from event yesterday listening
to Ryan Bridge with same and Brown, and you know
he's very much pushing him on the well, it's only
four more beds than what we've got right now. Yeah, okay,
sure it is. But also the way that we're building
it is going to create some wards that we may
not fill at this stage, but they can. Beds can
be added in the future, and there's some advantages in
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terms of you know, modern technology with the imaging and
the processing and those sorts of things. And I just
look at it and go get underway.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Added bonus, it's asbestos free.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
That's always quite a bonus.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
And I think you know that old building is causing
a lot of problems, and can we just get on
with that? And I think I'm sick of the squablin.
It really doesn't matter. You will be able to add rooms,
and you know we have governments turnover so fast it
is pointless having this argument about something that is not
going to be relevant in three, six or nine years time.
This is a twenty year argument as to whether you
extend the building, add more theaters, add more wards. Don't
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worry about it for now, just get the building.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Actually, I was just wondering with both of you guys,
and what's start with you? Ana? Just on for me
being away and having a bit of a I'm a
break for even if it was just a week or so,
but the summer period and getting rid of the old year.
I'm really intolerant of petty political back and forth on
stuff like the hospital. I looked at the protest and
I said, I'll get a life, and I just find
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that all the minutia. But maybe my holidays made me
less tolerant.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
The holiday feels like that, that two or three day
period right after an election, we think, thank god, it's done.
We can stop listening to it for just a moment.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, have you had a break?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yes, sort of, we've done to before.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We've had a haircut, which was pretty cool. And no.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Otherwise, there's always something to do. What do you do
in actually went to Wingspan. I don't know if you've
on the show. So Rud who joins me on Sundays
Tomorrow morning, talks about this place. It's a sanctuary for
basically native falcons. I thought he was going to say, notice, no, no,
a lot of that, and they also have a population
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of barnels and ru as well, so native ols.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
And so we went and as it happens, they were closed,
but they opened and so we had just the place
to ourselves, wandering around with a falcon sitting on my
head and looking at really just delightful.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Wow, am I in the middle of the day or something?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You went tempted to go to do some mountain biking
as well? Were you buy any chance?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Really?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You went to a redroom. You didn't hop on a mountain,
but you got to go mountain biking. I'm sure the
Red Books was.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
What we wanted to do it was. Actually we went
for a walk through the redwoods and did that treetop
walk and also went down to further down the road
is SION, the New Zealand Research Institute for Timber Forest
retret and the building itself, which is made out of
lemonated timber or cross lemonadd timber, is fabulous.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Just so, I grew up tennis and walking through the
woods at the SION, But it wasn't forest retreds ship.
But now it's fenced off like it's the FBI.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
What pete, you have really different holidays to me, laminated build.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh, I was so excited when I found out there's
only seven meters down the road.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yes, well, I was interested to hear that the wingspan
brought up reminiscences for Honner of nudist camps.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
But I just remember we went to a rowing camp once.
It was down in Topel Way and there was a
rowing camp on one side of the river and the
nudists on the other. And they were a bunch of
neudists complaining that the teenagers were all staring at them.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Well, we hadn't seen naturalists these days.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Sorry, I think it is the naturalists. Okay, Well, we'll
go with that. We have actually a beach near us
where there is it is. It does warn you that
there are nudists there, but when there's no one, it's
actually quite nice to go for a walk. And I
naively took my daughters down because there hadn't been any
last time, and then I went down, I went, okay,
back up the steps.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Kids.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Absolutely hey on the political argy bargy side of things.
Shane Jones Mexican comment. I have to say when he
was interviewed on Hosking and Hosking said have you got
anything further to say, and he said it's a Mexican standoff,
I did laugh out loud and anyway, so Ricardo Menendez March,
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of course, he's not that happy about it. He calls
it outwardly racist and xenophobic. Before I throw in my
mischievous point of view, I'm going to throw to you, Anna,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
She said that first come on, it was just like,
it's not's the dick?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Sorry, Oh no, I think Shane Jones, Oh yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Think, oh sorry, someone else.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I mean, here's the thing. Well, only because I'm coupling
it with the rest of the comments that were made
by New Zealand. First, I mean, have you looked at
their own list party? They have immigrants, so does national
who have all come in and around about the same
time as the people that are being discussed here. And
the problem with Shane Jones, he thinks he's funny, but
his followers are not smart enough to take not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
To take it, I must be not very smart because
I did find him quite funny from time to time.
But those remarks, the call they take them seriously. But
here's something iuthorated both you and Pete. I think that
part of this issue is that we are more sensitive
to comments around Mexico because of the rhetoric that Donald
Trump's been employing for a long time about they're all
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they're all rapists and criminals and stuff, when in fact
Mexico is a country. And I was thinking if Ricardo
mean indis much was Australian and Shane Jones had called
out go back to Australia, no one would raise a moment.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And also a couple with the fact he was also
saying call Donald Trump, called Donald Trump. I mean, this
was not just if it was just the Mexican standoff,
I'd probably have a laugh too. But the context around
all of it your foreign that you foreigners are coming
in here and bringing your ideas to our parliament. I
just think, what planet are you guys?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Are?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Okay, well, I'm really wanting to know what Pete wolf
Camp thinks because I'm thinking we're gonna have it. We're
gonna have a nice what's the word ying?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yang?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Mate? Look?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Is it unkind to think that you don't like a
particular politician? And if I have one that I don't like,
I don't particularly like Ricardo Mendez march I Still it
still greats me that he was advocating. Last year there
was talk about the wages that were paid to people
who worked effectively in sheltered workshops, right, and he wanted
to advocate that those people deserve to get the standard
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wage rather than discounted wage, which allows them to work
in sort of supported industry. Now, I think that's just
misguided nonsense, right, Those industries would close down. I was
at one of those places this week. It acts, you know,
like it's just a really my opic view. He's just
looking at going, Oh, because they're not being paid the
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living wage or the minimum wage, they're being exploited, but
there's a bigger picture here, and so I just kind
of a number of things that he says just rub
me out the wrong way.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I just think, would you be with change John's picking
on someone else?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I think it would. I tell you what would be
really refreshing. Shane Jones just dialed back the verbosity. I
just had a straight conversation, like it's been entertaining for
a while and it is quite funny to listen to.
But at a certain point you just go just make
your point, stop grandstanding, just speak simple English.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Because you are also in government, in power, and supposed
to be achieving something here, and I feel like we
just get a whole lot of blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Again, because I happened to be sitting in traffic for
quite some time yesterday afternoon, I thought that Ryan Bridges
little editorial pointing out the fact that Shane Jones now
dig dig baby dig sort of thing, was also around
the table when they introduced various pieces of legislation which
prevented all of this from happening. So when New Zealand
first was in cahoots with Labor, he was a signatory.
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He was there at the table going this is great,
we're going to stop the mining and we're going to.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Fear the friends.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's all changed now. I don't think the Greens are
going to get the apology they want. Um. In fact,
that's not even worth discussing.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Really, well, do you know what this? I think speaks
to a lot of the populist politics that we've absolutely
brought in places like America, where I mean, does nobody,
this is my stance on this, nobody ever actually gets
canceled anymore. No one, no one, No. You cannot name
one person who hasn't come back.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And isn't still populately that he's an author last week
who I'd have to look his name.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
The point being, you don't have to apologize for anything.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Really, Oh, that's good news, famous last.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
It's a terrible position we've all taken that we will
never apologize for anything that we ever say.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, I mean to be honest as I say, I
think if he had said Hispanics go back to where
you come from, all Asians or something that's different. But
if he's having a crack at a country, I'm not very
excited about it, to be honest. It doesn't rip the
knickers in terms of something to get outraged about. As
I say, if he'd been if he was from Australia,
if it's a go back to Australia, would it bothered
you if he was Australian? Because I do think we
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are more triggered by the Mexico thing.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I think because having a go at Mexico is punching
down when you look at the beating that they have
taken from America for decades.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Are you looking forward to visiting the Gulf of America?
Somebody mistress talk about it? He's renaming that, I think anyway.
I think Google's changed it, Yes they have, just but
not for the Mexican Google search. Yeah, okay, have fun
times mining. Okay, So we've got protesters wanting to disrupt
the announcement of the government's minerals strategy.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
How many did you see on the TV?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I don't remember seeing many at all. Look again, the
opposition to mining, when in fact we're all hypocrites so
much each have our lives revolves around the fact that
someone's digging some mineral out of the ground to manufacture
our phone, our car or whatever. Where are you on
the mining thing, Anna.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I accept that there is an argument for having mining.
I think we live in a capitalist, you know, Western
world that has those sorts of goods, and at the
moment we punt that problem to places like Africa or
you know, even Western Australia. But I don't want to
see conservation land dug up. You know, just because someone
else does it doesn't mean that we have to do it.
(17:06):
I do accept that there is an argument that we
have mining we're taking advantage of it, but it is
you know, we are always developing newer technologies that work
faster and better, and I don't know that we necessarily
need to pin New Zealand's productivity. It's more the issue
I have is around the promises of being a great
nation built on mining and productivity is going to go
through the roof of mining. It's not.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Although the conservation land thing can be a little bit
confusing because there's conservation land which has a real conservation value,
and then there's just land which is under the auspices
of the conservation department, which in fact is like technical expression.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I mean, I think my point still stands. If you
think mine's going to save this country's economy, I think again.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But also I think you know, when you look at
some of the detailed minds where they're what they're saying is, look,
we need to do an excess tunnel here and then
we'll be mining for three or four kilometers underground with
a couple of vertical ventilation sharps, and the disruptions of
the land is minimal.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Right, But would you save the snails peace?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, I certainly wouldn't put them in a freezer and
then forget to turn it on.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Look, yeah, look, I just think that this is the
thing with politics, though, you get people who are just
that their positions. They're anti this full stop. I don't
care what it is, I don't care what the arguments are,
I'll never agree with it. And that seems to be
that in the middle we're sort of watching people war
from extreme ideologies, the other people who want to mine
everything and just rip the earth apart. And then there's
the other side of things where people don't want to
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touch a thing and pretending way our lives don't depend
on it. The nuance is gone, as you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
And it is in the argument as well. I mean,
we should be looking at what we can actually do
to make this country more productive and more advanced. And
to be a bigger player in the world. Yes, mining
is not the way to do it. If you want
to do it, be my guest. It's going to help
and certainly revive some communities. And I don't have a
problem with that, and I think there are ways you
can do it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Do you like gold? Your gold or silver sort of person.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
You can't see my ears at the moment, but I
am wearing a little gold hoop.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
He is, by the way, that's because he's wearing headphones.
If there's nothing weird going, I'm.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Not missing my ears. Some people might accuse me of
that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Look, we've got lots more to crack on with, but
we need to take a moment. It's twenty five past three.
My panelists are Pete wolf Camp and Anna Burns Francis.
I'm Tim Bebridge. Will be back in just to take I.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Get I got it time that suns Welcome back to
the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Have those lyrics aged a little bit? I'm not sure,
but I love a little bit of Billy Joel Welcome back.
I'm Tim Beverridge. My guests on the panel Aanda Burns
Francis and Pete wolf Camp. Don't forget after four o'clock
we've got the one roof radio show. Nick good Or
from Core Logics with us. He's the data guy. But
we're going to talk about what it's going to take
to get the market cracking again, if in fact that's
what you want, which if you're selling you certainly would do.
But anyway, carrying on with the panel guys, the government
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trying to wants to attach a tract sorry digital nomads,
in a way of boosting the tourism and the economy
our people to work remotely for a foreign employer while
they're visiting New Zealand for up to ninety days. I
actually wonder how much of that would go on anyway,
if you work, if you're visiting and you've got a
foreign employer, and what's going to stop you from working anyway?
That which seems strange, but I think anything to attract
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talent to the and tourism to the country. Anna, what
do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Has anyone warned them what the weather's like for eight
out of those nine months?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Actually I did have a pretty dodgy weather in Northland
to be here.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, we regularly get hit by cyclones.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I don't think we do that as part of our
tourism promotion, come to New Zealand. The weather's a bit
of fee, but you know, I think you'll like it.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
But in nine months you'll get a good week.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
What do you reconpete.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
There is a certain absurdity about this as well, though,
isn't it. So what they're saying is that you can
come here as a visitor, get a visa for ninety days.
As it happens, We've got some very good friends from
Europe who for the last two years have come for
exactly ninety days because that's they would actually like to
stay for one hundred, but they can't without getting a
special visa. Now they continue to communicate with their colleagues
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and that sort of thing. Is that working well? It
probably is. It's I think if they're going to try
and get digital nomads. So essentially you're in New Zealand
with your laptop communicating with your colleagues overseas. There's no
way of monitoring, or.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It must be happening anyway, surely people account.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
It's very different if you're a young person backpacking or
something like that, and you arrive here and you wander
down to a local building site and ask for a
job as a laborer. Okay, maybe we want to protect
local workers from that type of visitor arriving and taking
somebody else's job. But someone arriving from overseas and communicating
digitally and working digitally, we've already got no control over that,
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so it's kind of meaningless.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's the next stage, I think, really, where if they
are going to stay for five or six months, that
they take a short term rental and then you know,
we already have a yeah, until we have a squeezed economy,
and I know the rental markets to pre to the moment,
But there have been times the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
E Bentley, I wasn't here for it. I'm just wondering
if I'm missing something, because if I was touring around
the well, you're.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Missing is tim We had the sunrise first in New Zealand.
Who wants to be working the complete wrong end of
the day for most of the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Who is going to do They're wrong, We're right, And
actually there's a selling point. See the sunshine, see the
sunrise first every day in New Zealand. That's where we are.
But I don't get it that it seems to be
some sort of thing that's going to make a difference
to people. I would imagine if people are taking a
bit of a holiday and they come up let's just
say they're coming over from England and they want to
go around for a few months, and they work for
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a company and they've got their laptop, but they.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Don't right, they don't actually end up trapped. I mean,
they will go on weekend excursions or whatever, but basically
they are moving to New Zealand for a short term,
so they're going to do everything. I mean, are we
offering them healthcare? I presume not. But what if they
want their kids to go to school, because there is
a point at which they're entitled to enroll their kids
in school. Don't ask me what that limit is, but
it has come up for discussion.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't think it's not very controversial, although is it.
We want to attract more talented people to the country
when we've got so many leaving whatever works?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I thought they are you seeing it as a way
of advertising New Zealand to them that they may want
to shift here and get jobs here.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I think it's an excuse to actually, yeah, we've changed something.
It's time to put a bit of a press release
out into market New Zealand more to keep higher, to
keep people coming. I did see, by the way, a
nice story in the New Zealand here, all about a
couple who had moved here, and they were saying they'd
come from England and they were talking about how much
they loved the country and everything, and I thought, there's
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so much boohoo ya sucks. This country is terrible and
everyone's leaving. But it was nice to read a story
from someone who'd come from England going, we absolutely love
it here, because we do tend to be very grinchy
in terms of what New Zeand's.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Like are we're not the lucky country. But so this
is I've got a question for you then, Tim, if
this is not a big deal, you don't have a
problem with people working from home here, then right.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Working from home here, well, I guess it depends what
their employers want and if as an employer's attack. We're
going to get on into this later on. By the way,
you're a stirer. I don't have a big problem with it,
but I think if you're working from home four or
five days a week, I don't know. And I was
your employer, and I wanted you to come in, I'd
expect you to come in. I come into work. Look,
I can't do this remotely. Otherwise I'd missed the pleasure
of your company and the positive vibe as we get
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from having people in the studio Anna Burns France's Pete
Walk Camp and seeing your silver foxness. Let's move on
calls for jury duty. I misread the story. Originally I
thought they were looking for younger jurors, but they when
I first saw it.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's an actually really reasonable assumption. With you insider, the
usual demographic that does, by the turning.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Calls for jury duty cut off age to increase at
the moment at sixty five at National MP car Bates
wants to increase it to seventy two. I actually, to
be honest, sixty five it's not really.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
A cut off either. Well, well, what it actually means
is that if you're sixty six years of age, you
might still get a summons, but you have an automatic out.
But you can still do serious. When you're sixty six.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Years of age, you can just say to them I
don't want to.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
It gives you an out right out.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Once you're sixty five you know.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
What he's saying is we're not going to give you
that automatic out. Oh you can still get out for
ill health or work commitments or family or whatever like
anybody else can. But you don't just because you're your age.
You don't get to just take a box and go.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Have you ever done your jury duty? And how many times? Once?
Or twice?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And only once? Actually I've been called a couple of
times after that. This was many many years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Did you get challenged on the way to the box?
Sort of?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
No, not back then. Actually it was really intriguing in
case it was a manslaughter case. Wow, yeah, it was
quite fascinating and kind of.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Did you mind that you didn't get paid, you know,
compared to your unusual wages that you were a very
public public duty.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Three or something like that. You know it I was
probably winning back then, but you know, in over the
years now it's it's it is quite an imposition on
someone who runs their own business who's self employed.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, well generally you can get a few of its
self employed just right and say look, this would impact
me financially in my business and I can't do it,
and you're off. Either that or when you turn up
and they call your name, Tim Beverage, you go whoo.
The lawyers will always challenge here Anna, have you done
jury duty?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I've never been called the In fact, the closest I've
got was that I got sent a letter when I
lived in New York that said I've been added to
the list that I might have to turn up. And
that's as close as I've ever got. I did watch
one guy at a trial I was covering in New
Zealand and he turned up and he had long hair
that it was all straggly and everywhere, and he's wearing
a filthy singlet was just sort of a shirt over
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the top and a pair of board shorts and flip flops.
And he went to walk up and they said, you know, chow,
but of course you don't get to leave automatically. You
might have to go into the pool for another trial.
So he just sits down and pulls out like a
copy of Lord of the Rings and pops a pair
of neudy glasses on ties this here up and just
I thought, you've just dressed up for brilliant.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, that is a good move.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think he looked like a total bum.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I don't think I've ever been called for jury duty,
probably because maybe one well I've got I used to
be a lawyer and I've practiced, I've got to I
don't know where they've gone to, some sort of list
where it for a while, So I'm not I'm not
telling that I'm doing some.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
So do you want another seven years added to your
possible call out time?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Ah? Well, I haven't been called up yet. I don't
really care.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Okay, I'm going to say I don't think they should.
I don't think they should extend it because I don't
think older people should be sitting on it.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Ooh, hot, take you did you just say that for
the for the safe conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So I was chatting to my brother on Friday because
it was his seventieth birthday. Right now, I think that
he would be more than capable of doing it.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
It's not capable. It's that I think we have a
real problem when you do see who who does turn
up to Jerry Judy and who you know You've just
said a lot of and a lot of people in
New Zealand are self employed. I think the way that
it's structured and reimbursed and how it's managed is the issue.
Because you should have a wide spectrum of society. And
if we are stretching out, if the retirement age is
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still sixty five and we are suddenly adding another seven
years on to who can sit on that panel, that's
a lot of people that you are skewing it towards
that are suddenly going to become more eligible.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I just want people who are intelligent and compassmentus. And
that is not a requirement of jury service. No, it's
not adulting. And I can think of some verdicts going
back in the past where I thought that the jury
were not necessarily of the highest caliber because of the
result they came up with. But age, I guess where
I'm coming from, is sixty five is not actually that old.
(28:40):
These days it may have maybe thirty years ago. People
are living longer, and I mean, obviously people once you
get a bit older, there's more chants that there's going
to be some sort of age related condition that you'll have.
But then again, there are some people who lived to
I saw arch Jelly, John Walker's old coach, who was
inducted into the New Zealand Athletics Life membership at the
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age he must have annoyed someone to have to wait
that long, but that there was someone who was still
sharp as attack. He looked he and he looked about eighty.
But people, I don't think we should be ruling people
out necessarily at sixty five, as if you're no good.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
The person flying your plane isn't any older than sixty five,
and I trust them with my life. If I was
up on a murder charge, I wouldn't want anyone over
sixty five.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Okay, well watch this space and if you ever get
charged with murder, and and I'll be really.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Curious to be calling out challenge myself.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I expect that my view is slightly different to yours
because I'm a little bit closer to sixty five.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Are you going to ask to be removed or are
you going to turn up at seventy one point nine
and say here I am.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's one of.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Those things, you know. I wonder whether they because there's
a real problem with filling juries, right, yeah, and the
delay that's part of it and so on is whether
we introduce professional jurors or whether we introduce, you know,
people that actually volunteer for it and get selected more regularly.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
And that's the thing. I think There are so many
other things you could do other than just skew the age.
More was to even it up to represent society in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
And I would be suspicious of people who are volunteering,
who want to do it all the time. I'm not
sure why, but you know, I got some sort of
acts to Brian there some way I don't know, but anyway,
we'll be back in just a moment. It's twenty four
News Talks. He'd be yes, my guests Sanna Burns, Francis
and Pete wolf Camp. By the way, after five John
Cawns with us, we might have a chat about one
of the movies from your childhood that you should get
your kids to watch, or maybe not as well. We'll
have a chat about that on the Parents Squad. But
(30:34):
right now, oh well, it's actually to a nasty piece
of news, really, but the sixty seven people who believed
to have died after that passenger plane was hit by
a black Hawk military helicopter in mid air. I think
the story about this out of this, Pete will start
with you is Donald Trump wanted to blame it on
DEI and the diversity. And I'll leave it to you
(30:56):
where you go.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
It does sound like they were understaffed, which is never great. Yeah,
so two people supposed to be on but only one
person working at that time. But then yeah, to blame
it on the d I think is nonsense. It is
still staggering to behold, though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I think there's actually is there an international shortage of
air traffic controllers as well. Yes, But here's the thing
that's gonna that's gonna make the difference is if the
air traffic controller said, have you seen this plane? Et cetera,
and the and the and the helicopter acknowledges it and
I've seen I've spoken to a couple of pilots about this.
I've got my pilot's license, not that that qualifies me.
But there are certain times when there's an angle or
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something where you just don't see it.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think, at least in the New York Times updates
I was reading, made possibly some confusion about which plane
he was supposed to be watching out for. You know,
when I was in the States and the I think
it must have been just Cinder. I done came up
for a trip, oh the White House trip, and they
brought up the plane. Whatever the New Zealand plane is
the one that breaks down all the time, and and
(31:56):
they let me sit in the seat behind the pilots
for one of the segments from from DC up to
New York or was it from New York to I
don't know. Anyway, they were on the East Coast and
these parts are saying, this is the most insane air
traffic we've ever had to fly, and they said it
is so busy, like do not say a word. We
are just concentrating so hard. There are so many signals
(32:17):
coming at us all the time. They said it was
one of the most challenging flights they've ever done.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And that's one of the things that's emerged in the
conversation around it, is that that particular airspace it's insane.
And also in.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Terms of DC's got two or three airports, I think.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, but also with military aircraft maneuvering in the airspace
as well, which might be sub subject to air traffic control.
But there's just so much I think. I mean, if
you just look at any busy airport around the world,
and how busy the most airports are, like Singapore, et cetera.
But apparently Washington's on a whole Well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Because you've got all the private flights going to and
from places like the Pentagon and the White House. Then
you've got the commercial flights coming in and out.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, business absolutely chao terrible.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
So well, eventually we'll probably find out what's happened.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
But you can guarantee you it's not going to be diversity.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
No, it won't. Possibly the only what my explanation, some more.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Money towards some more air traffic controllers.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
That's the one and probably the only reason that Donald
Trump came up with that is that that's his line
for everything. So in terms of his own thought, there's
a complete lack of diversity. There we go. I'll get
the emails going, oh Trump arrangements and drom and all
that sort of stuff, and it's like, yeah, look in
the mirror right just on the on the on the
bad news, I think I'm a bit over the doomsday clock.
(33:32):
So they've shifted it to eighty nine seconds. No, I'm
just I'm just I'm just sick of predictions of doom
in the end of the world, and now they've shifted
it to eighty nine seconds to midnight. And I've had
a bit of pushback about this about if you really
went back to the Cold War era and things that
were going on. Maybe the clock was a lot closer
to midnight than eighty nine seconds, but they like to
(33:54):
keep moving forward because it's a wave of scientists explaining
the problems that we are facing as a species.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Pete actually had an interesting moment this week. So the
story came out earlier in the week, right, And we've
got a seventeen year old in the house and he
comes wandering down the hallway and in the office and
he goes, have you seen this about the doomsday clock?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
I was like, you whatever, I've seen that happen a
few times.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, no, that was exactly it. And I could see
I'm looking on his face, was like, how are you
not taking this seriously?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And then I was.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Thinking, we're all good at the top, and.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I'm going, yeah, but I'm of that generation that we
got taken as school students to see that movie about
the the nuclear clear bombs, you know, And.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I'm like, you've become complacent peepe pretty much pretty much,
which is terrible.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Or we've just got a slightly longer perspective of that
particular story. And because I heard it forty years ago,
and maybe I heard it thirty five years ago and
thirty years ago, I don't feel that angsty about it
moving now, so don't. But for a new generation it's
probably a big deal. Well it was a big deal.
I think there is a part.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I think we have to be aware of the things
that we have to work on a society and as
countries about People will be rolling their eyes when I
say this bit about you know, not only about the
conflicts between countries, but climate and all that sort of thing.
But I just I don't know. I find that all
these things like doomsday clock do is serve to terrify
(35:20):
and create anxiety in the younger generation when there's not
much individually they can do about it. So I'm a
little bit isn't at the point, no, bugger off, still
traumatizing my children? Just go away?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
A little traumatizing might actually prompt a bit of action here.
If everyone was as complacent as you, we might.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just go No.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I mean, Russia fizes, we won't all die immediately.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Well, if Russia fies, me getting angsty about it won't
make any difference to what's going to happen. It's like,
shall I feel the angst or should I just think well,
I've got half an hour ago to save my family
before all all goes puff. Now, I do think there
is something about I remember how traumatized Ie was growing
up when we were told that the nuclear threat, if
it happens, that's it. We're all gone. And I thought
(36:00):
sort of think, okay, fine, but it got rammed down
our threats to the extent that I thought, And I
think that's doomsday clock. And I'm just wondering if we've
got a generation of younger people who are they're almost thinking, oh,
let's not have kids because it's not worth it.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
There's not going to be a planet for tim They
are frogs being boiled in a pot if the doomsday
clock tells them that the element is hot. I don't
think it's a bad idea. There's going to be a
lot of other times when the headline just washes over them.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, I think so see, yeah, only just won't tell you.
We'll talk about that. I suppose like being dismissive of it,
and that's kind of what I sounded like I was
is not I think it's actually still really important that
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we actually advocate for things like world peace, that a
move towards getting nations to be more cooperative, to getting
people to understand our shared humanity, to having some collective goals,
to desiring a better world is a really good thing.
It's kind of hard to get that across in a
way that's that allows you to connect with young people.
(37:12):
And so maybe the people that monitor the doomsday clock
use it as a useful tool to go, we've got
to keep working on this stuff, right, and maybe young
people will look at it, yes, through their new experience
and their new eyes, and go, oh, maybe that.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yes, we should.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Pete has just done all the work for the doomsday clock.
Not only did he have a conversation with the Sun
about it, but he's also just put a very valid
argument forward here as well.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well, and what I say to my kids, I don't
eighty nine seconds. Don't worry if it gets down to
one second, they'll split it into thousands of the second
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
And only you know, Oh God, you're the guy who
keeps telling kids Santa Claus is true.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Oh, to be fair, there was a part of me
that went, I didn't realize that they've gone to seconds.
I was thinking it was still in minutes.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
They started at seven didn't they Yeah, because it looked nice.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Yes, then you know, if you've got seven minutes, then
you can only move it a minute to and fro,
but obviously by breaking it down to seconds.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
And then tens of seconds, thousands of seconds. Anyway, Hey,
look we're going to come back just a moment. Speaking
of seconds, it's nine minutes to four. News stalks'd b Yes,
welcome back to the Weekend collect Vanavan's, Francis and Pete
wolf Camp. I'm Tim Beveridge. This is the well, the
final topic of the panel, but issues with Sky TV.
So it's funny how they didn't really quite get this
right with the dying satellite and the timing. But a
(38:23):
lot of people not very happy. And my first response was,
why don't you just watch it on your TV through
your data?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
You sound like my mom trying to explain what the
internet is.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
No, just digitally just watch it?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because a lot of people have
already paid their monthly subscription and they have everything set
up and to auto record the news for them or whatever.
They have tim and they're tightened and they set up
at the batch to watch their sport over summer.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It feels very nineteen ninety nine. That way of consuming
your media, doesn't it?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
See what It's not a cheap way of consuming it either.
So if you are paying quite a bit for the
service every month, you should expect it to work. And
I would just like to put it out there as
a former Fairgo reporter.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Oh that's right, I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Sky should have absolutely seen this coming.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Either.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They're checking in with the satellite provider and saying, how
are we going on that satellite? Are you guys turning
down the fuel in term? Soon A were going to
need to make some adjustments and they should have ramped
up there technicians on call to go and start moving
everybody's satellites around a bit. Or they should be offering
refunds at least.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I think they are going to have to offer some refunds.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
And sign up to the data.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You've never had Sky in your life, never, never, mean,
even when it came out, it was the hot thing,
the way to watch movies and sport. You just not
for me, free to wear.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I had it for the foot World Cup two years ago,
for the month, and then you got.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Rid of it, the whole thing all over again.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
No, no, no, it was the same as using that on.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
The on the internet, on the interwebs.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Actually, I've always to be the biggest issue about data
is data or data? Apparently it's data. Okay, I said data.
I still get it wrong. But anyway, Hey Ada, lovely
to have your back.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It's a Francis and Pete Wolf. We can catch them
on the resident bills.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah, I think so tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's good, excellent. Nice to see you guys. We'll be
back shortly with the wond Roof radio show. Nick Goodall
is with us talking out what's it going to take.
What are the conditions we need to see to get
the property marketing market sparking again, if in fact that's
what you want. This is News Talk SB the Weekend Collective.
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Jesus so long, had a very good afternoon to you.
I'm Tim Beverage. Welcome to the Weekend Collective the Saturday,
the first of February. Gosh, we're into month two already,
aren't we twenty twenty five. Good to be back, hey.
Thanks also, by the way, just in passing because I
had a very had a hit to schedule in the
last couple of weekends when I wasn't here too, with
Jess Roman and Jason Filling and so thanks to those
guys and looking forward to your feedback. On nine two,
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dot co dot n Z. Right coming up on today's
show in just a moment, the panel with my as
always esteemed panelists and including one who's been absent for
quite a while but she's decided to come in from
the cold. And anyway, after four we have the one
(01:18):
roof radio show. We'll be talking with Nick Goodall from
Core Logic. Not just about what the data is telling
us about the market, but what actually needs to happen
to get the property market cracking again? Because so I've
been up in Northland for a few days and I
did notice quite a lot of coastal property for sale
and a few conversations which are indicating to me maybe
that kickback of the property market which was predicted a
(01:38):
while ago hasn't happened. After five for the Parents Squad
with John Cowen talking about helping your kids deal with
the changes and adapting to the new schools, friend groups,
all that sort of stuff. Apparently getting kids to talk
is not just your problem or my problem. Prince William
is an immune from having his kids shut them out
when it comes to chatting about school either. So we'll
have a chat about that, and if we have time
(01:59):
as well, what are the movies from your childhood that
you should get your kids to watch or not to
watch Chitty Chitty being Being the Childcatcher, among others. Anyway,
welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is eight minutes past three, right,
it's time for our panel, and I'm going to go
age before beauty, and in fact I will go age
(02:23):
before beauty, which should remove any guesswork about who we're
going to have on well right now. He is better
known as the resident builder, but fun fact, he's also
capable of holding some pretty obnoxious opinions, which is why
we love him. It's Pete wolf Camp.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Pete and I've done the perfect preparations greeting. It's nice
to see you.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Looking actually funnily enough, I say age before beauty, just
as a cheap sort of remark, But you are looking
very something different about You've got the heads. He's going
you can't talk yet because we haven't introduced you. He
is looking George, You're looking very silver foxer. She's got
it is longer here or is it shorter here? I
(03:01):
can't well much longer.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And finally I relented and had a decent old haircut.
But yes, yeah, increasingly great, Thank you too.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But you're not looking actually pretty handsome if I could
say that anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You're a lovely man.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I know I am, And what am I going to get?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, I've almost introduced yourself. Well, I was going to say,
it's been a long time between drinks since we had
our last panel. Our next panelist on the show album
and she when she abandoned us to for iy some
bigger fish. There's been lots of change, and since then
she's also become a mum and it's welcome back to
Anna Bin's Francis.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Thank you. Look at how that fish turned out. Ah
here I am.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Anna Burns Francis. I think your LinkedIn profile is it's
locked and loaded it look, I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Looking for opportunities always.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
How's motherhood going?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
God, I don't know. Ask any parent you know what
parenthood's like. It's just a roller coaster. Only deal with
the bit that you have to deal with right in
the moment, yes, worry about the rest later on.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
That's good advice because my old eldest daughter, who's they've
always been my little girls, and now they're just one
of them's taller than my wife and the other one
closing in fast. But I just realized in six months time,
she is more than halfway. This sounds ridiculous, doesn't it
more than halfway to finishing high school. And I'm sort
of like, I'm not, I'm not ready for this. You're
on the sort of the final curve towards possibly leaving home,
(04:19):
and I'm emotionally not ready for it.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, your little bird is going to fly the nest.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I tell you what, how old's you are? A little girl?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
She's not not quite nine months.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Okay, well just remember this moment, because suddenly in about
fifteen years time ago, I seem to remember we're talking
to Tim Beverage and he said it would be just
a blink of an eye before the terrible teens or anyway.
Nice to have you back, Anna, thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
I'm delighted to be here.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
I was saying to Tim Pete that you actually taught
me how to paint from watching the block. It's all
in the preparation.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Listen, I did it.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I thought the result looked fantastic, and.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
We enabled people.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, when you say enabled, Francis didn't just paint her
house in terms of doing a bit of you know,
a bit of rolling on the end eternal walls. It's
a two story building. Hands up, hands up? Who did
the external of awesome?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
But a scaffe's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
How many days did it take?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
No, Well, I told him I would give my I
would let myself pay for parking at sky I said,
I was working at TVs, and I said, every day
that I paint on the house, I will let myself
drive to work instead of catching the bus, and I
definitely spent more money on parking than it would have.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Got a paint.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Did you hire the scaffolding for Yes? But I looked
at it the end went are we talking monuments, We're
talking weeks or months, months? And look you finished it.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
You stocked to it like two bedrooms or three bedrooms
and a bathroom and all of the downstairs.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It was enormous, well done.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
If I'd do it again, No, if you wash it
every year, you'll probably get ten years. I sold it.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
You've moved already.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Someone else can hit the pain job while it looks
really good, tremendous value.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Hey, good to have you on the show now, just
I thought we'd start off with some nice positive news
that Dunedin Hospital the build has finally been confirmed and
it seems the mayor was happy. I did watch now
as a television journalist as well. Anna. I thought the
technique was I'm always suspicious when they show the crowd
of protesters, but they zoom in on about three people,
(06:27):
and I think I worked out that there were probably
only twenty protesters there.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Anyway, I thought you were going to say there're only
three people there like, let's be fair, it's the university
hasn't started and it's Dunedin. The population isn't enormous in
Tonedin this time of year. Twitty's not a bad crowd anyway.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I've announced it. There's going to be room to move.
I'm not that sympathetic with the protesters because we've got
so much money to spend on so much infrastructure. You're
getting a new hospital. There's room for growth. And I
think many of the people in the vox pops, much
as I hate vox pops as well, liked it. Pete,
what did you think?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Funnily enough, I was coming back from event yesterday listening
to Ryan Bridge with same and Brown, and you know
he's very much pushing him on the well, it's only
four more beds than what we've got right now. Yeah, okay,
sure it is. But also the way that we're building
it is going to create some wards that we may
not fill at this stage, but they can. Beds can
be added in the future, and there's some advantages in
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terms of you know, modern technology with the imaging and
the processing and those sorts of things. And I just
look at it and go get underway.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Added bonus, it's asbestos free.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
That's always quite a bonus.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
And I think you know that old building is causing
a lot of problems, and can we just get on
with that? And I think I'm sick of the squablin.
It really doesn't matter. You will be able to add rooms,
and you know we have governments turnover so fast it
is pointless having this argument about something that is not
going to be relevant in three, six or nine years time.
This is a twenty year argument as to whether you
extend the building, add more theaters, add more wards. Don't
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worry about it for now, just get the building.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Actually, I was just wondering with both of you guys,
and what's start with you? Ana? Just on for me
being away and having a bit of a I'm a
break for even if it was just a week or so,
but the summer period and getting rid of the old year.
I'm really intolerant of petty political back and forth on
stuff like the hospital. I looked at the protest and
I said, I'll get a life, and I just find
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that all the minutia. But maybe my holidays made me
less tolerant.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
The holiday feels like that, that two or three day
period right after an election, we think, thank god, it's done.
We can stop listening to it for just a moment.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, have you had a break?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yes, sort of, we've done to before.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We've had a haircut, which was pretty cool. And no.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Otherwise, there's always something to do. What do you do
in actually went to Wingspan. I don't know if you've
on the show. So Rud who joins me on Sundays
Tomorrow morning, talks about this place. It's a sanctuary for
basically native falcons. I thought he was going to say, notice, no, no,
a lot of that, and they also have a population
(09:07):
of barnels and ru as well, so native ols.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
And so we went and as it happens, they were closed,
but they opened and so we had just the place
to ourselves, wandering around with a falcon sitting on my
head and looking at really just delightful.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Wow, am I in the middle of the day or something?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You went tempted to go to do some mountain biking
as well? Were you buy any chance?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Really?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
You went to a redroom. You didn't hop on a mountain,
but you got to go mountain biking. I'm sure the
Red Books was.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
What we wanted to do it was. Actually we went
for a walk through the redwoods and did that treetop
walk and also went down to further down the road
is SION, the New Zealand Research Institute for Timber Forest
retret and the building itself, which is made out of
lemonated timber or cross lemonadd timber, is fabulous.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Just so, I grew up tennis and walking through the
woods at the SION, But it wasn't forest retreds ship.
But now it's fenced off like it's the FBI.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
What pete, you have really different holidays to me, laminated build.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh, I was so excited when I found out there's
only seven meters down the road.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yes, well, I was interested to hear that the wingspan
brought up reminiscences for Honner of nudist camps.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
But I just remember we went to a rowing camp once.
It was down in Topel Way and there was a
rowing camp on one side of the river and the
nudists on the other. And they were a bunch of
neudists complaining that the teenagers were all staring at them.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Well, we hadn't seen naturalists these days.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Sorry, I think it is the naturalists. Okay, Well, we'll
go with that. We have actually a beach near us
where there is it is. It does warn you that
there are nudists there, but when there's no one, it's
actually quite nice to go for a walk. And I
naively took my daughters down because there hadn't been any
last time, and then I went down, I went, okay,
back up the steps.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Kids.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Absolutely hey on the political argy bargy side of things.
Shane Jones Mexican comment. I have to say when he
was interviewed on Hosking and Hosking said have you got
anything further to say, and he said it's a Mexican standoff,
I did laugh out loud and anyway, so Ricardo Menendez March,
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of course, he's not that happy about it. He calls
it outwardly racist and xenophobic. Before I throw in my
mischievous point of view, I'm going to throw to you, Anna,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
She said that first come on, it was just like,
it's not's the dick?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Sorry, Oh no, I think Shane Jones, Oh yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Think, oh sorry, someone else.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I mean, here's the thing. Well, only because I'm coupling
it with the rest of the comments that were made
by New Zealand. First, I mean, have you looked at
their own list party? They have immigrants, so does national
who have all come in and around about the same
time as the people that are being discussed here. And
the problem with Shane Jones, he thinks he's funny, but
his followers are not smart enough to take not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
To take it, I must be not very smart because
I did find him quite funny from time to time.
But those remarks, the call they take them seriously. But
here's something iuthorated both you and Pete. I think that
part of this issue is that we are more sensitive
to comments around Mexico because of the rhetoric that Donald
Trump's been employing for a long time about they're all
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they're all rapists and criminals and stuff, when in fact
Mexico is a country. And I was thinking if Ricardo
mean indis much was Australian and Shane Jones had called
out go back to Australia, no one would raise a moment.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
And also a couple with the fact he was also
saying call Donald Trump, called Donald Trump. I mean, this
was not just if it was just the Mexican standoff,
I'd probably have a laugh too. But the context around
all of it your foreign that you foreigners are coming
in here and bringing your ideas to our parliament. I
just think, what planet are you guys?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Are?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Okay, well, I'm really wanting to know what Pete wolf
Camp thinks because I'm thinking we're gonna have it. We're
gonna have a nice what's the word ying?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yang?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Mate? Look?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Is it unkind to think that you don't like a
particular politician? And if I have one that I don't like,
I don't particularly like Ricardo Mendez march I Still it
still greats me that he was advocating. Last year there
was talk about the wages that were paid to people
who worked effectively in sheltered workshops, right, and he wanted
to advocate that those people deserve to get the standard
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wage rather than discounted wage, which allows them to work
in sort of supported industry. Now, I think that's just
misguided nonsense, right, Those industries would close down. I was
at one of those places this week. It acts, you know,
like it's just a really my opic view. He's just
looking at going, Oh, because they're not being paid the
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living wage or the minimum wage, they're being exploited, but
there's a bigger picture here, and so I just kind
of a number of things that he says just rub
me out the wrong way.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I just think, would you be with change John's picking
on someone else?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I think it would. I tell you what would be
really refreshing. Shane Jones just dialed back the verbosity. I
just had a straight conversation, like it's been entertaining for
a while and it is quite funny to listen to.
But at a certain point you just go just make
your point, stop grandstanding, just speak simple English.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Because you are also in government, in power, and supposed
to be achieving something here, and I feel like we
just get a whole lot of blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Again, because I happened to be sitting in traffic for
quite some time yesterday afternoon, I thought that Ryan Bridges
little editorial pointing out the fact that Shane Jones now
dig dig baby dig sort of thing, was also around
the table when they introduced various pieces of legislation which
prevented all of this from happening. So when New Zealand
first was in cahoots with Labor, he was a signatory.
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He was there at the table going this is great,
we're going to stop the mining and we're going to.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Fear the friends.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's all changed now. I don't think the Greens are
going to get the apology they want. Um. In fact,
that's not even worth discussing.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Really, well, do you know what this? I think speaks
to a lot of the populist politics that we've absolutely
brought in places like America, where I mean, does nobody,
this is my stance on this, nobody ever actually gets
canceled anymore. No one, no one, No. You cannot name
one person who hasn't come back.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And isn't still populately that he's an author last week
who I'd have to look his name.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
The point being, you don't have to apologize for anything.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Really, Oh, that's good news, famous last.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
It's a terrible position we've all taken that we will
never apologize for anything that we ever say.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Well, I mean to be honest as I say, I
think if he had said Hispanics go back to where
you come from, all Asians or something that's different. But
if he's having a crack at a country, I'm not very
excited about it, to be honest. It doesn't rip the
knickers in terms of something to get outraged about. As
I say, if he'd been if he was from Australia,
if it's a go back to Australia, would it bothered
you if he was Australian? Because I do think we
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are more triggered by the Mexico thing.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I think because having a go at Mexico is punching
down when you look at the beating that they have
taken from America for decades.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Are you looking forward to visiting the Gulf of America?
Somebody mistress talk about it? He's renaming that, I think anyway.
I think Google's changed it, Yes they have, just but
not for the Mexican Google search. Yeah, okay, have fun
times mining. Okay, So we've got protesters wanting to disrupt
the announcement of the government's minerals strategy.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
How many did you see on the TV?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I don't remember seeing many at all. Look again, the
opposition to mining, when in fact we're all hypocrites so
much each have our lives revolves around the fact that
someone's digging some mineral out of the ground to manufacture
our phone, our car or whatever. Where are you on
the mining thing, Anna.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I accept that there is an argument for having mining.
I think we live in a capitalist, you know, Western
world that has those sorts of goods, and at the
moment we punt that problem to places like Africa or
you know, even Western Australia. But I don't want to
see conservation land dug up. You know, just because someone
else does it doesn't mean that we have to do it.
(17:06):
I do accept that there is an argument that we
have mining we're taking advantage of it, but it is
you know, we are always developing newer technologies that work
faster and better, and I don't know that we necessarily
need to pin New Zealand's productivity. It's more the issue
I have is around the promises of being a great
nation built on mining and productivity is going to go
through the roof of mining. It's not.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Although the conservation land thing can be a little bit
confusing because there's conservation land which has a real conservation value,
and then there's just land which is under the auspices
of the conservation department, which in fact is like technical expression.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I mean, I think my point still stands. If you
think mine's going to save this country's economy, I think again.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
But also I think you know, when you look at
some of the detailed minds where they're what they're saying is, look,
we need to do an excess tunnel here and then
we'll be mining for three or four kilometers underground with
a couple of vertical ventilation sharps, and the disruptions of
the land is minimal.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Right, But would you save the snails peace?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, I certainly wouldn't put them in a freezer and
then forget to turn it on.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Look, yeah, look, I just think that this is the
thing with politics, though, you get people who are just
that their positions. They're anti this full stop. I don't
care what it is, I don't care what the arguments are,
I'll never agree with it. And that seems to be
that in the middle we're sort of watching people war
from extreme ideologies, the other people who want to mine
everything and just rip the earth apart. And then there's
the other side of things where people don't want to
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touch a thing and pretending way our lives don't depend
on it. The nuance is gone, as you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
And it is in the argument as well. I mean,
we should be looking at what we can actually do
to make this country more productive and more advanced. And
to be a bigger player in the world. Yes, mining
is not the way to do it. If you want
to do it, be my guest. It's going to help
and certainly revive some communities. And I don't have a
problem with that, and I think there are ways you
can do it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Do you like gold? Your gold or silver sort of person.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
You can't see my ears at the moment, but I
am wearing a little gold hoop.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
He is, by the way, that's because he's wearing headphones.
If there's nothing weird going, I'm.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Not missing my ears. Some people might accuse me of
that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Look, we've got lots more to crack on with, but
we need to take a moment. It's twenty five past three.
My panelists are Pete wolf Camp and Anna Burns Francis.
I'm Tim Bebridge. Will be back in just to take I.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Get I got it time that suns Welcome back to
the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Have those lyrics aged a little bit? I'm not sure,
but I love a little bit of Billy Joel Welcome back.
I'm Tim Beverridge. My guests on the panel Aanda Burns
Francis and Pete wolf Camp. Don't forget after four o'clock
we've got the one roof radio show. Nick good Or
from Core Logics with us. He's the data guy. But
we're going to talk about what it's going to take
to get the market cracking again, if in fact that's
what you want, which if you're selling you certainly would do.
But anyway, carrying on with the panel guys, the government
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trying to wants to attach a tract sorry digital nomads,
in a way of boosting the tourism and the economy
our people to work remotely for a foreign employer while
they're visiting New Zealand for up to ninety days. I
actually wonder how much of that would go on anyway,
if you work, if you're visiting and you've got a
foreign employer, and what's going to stop you from working anyway?
That which seems strange, but I think anything to attract
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talent to the and tourism to the country. Anna, what
do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Has anyone warned them what the weather's like for eight
out of those nine months?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Actually I did have a pretty dodgy weather in Northland
to be here.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, we regularly get hit by cyclones.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I don't think we do that as part of our
tourism promotion, come to New Zealand. The weather's a bit
of fee, but you know, I think you'll like it.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
But in nine months you'll get a good week.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
What do you reconpete.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
There is a certain absurdity about this as well, though,
isn't it. So what they're saying is that you can
come here as a visitor, get a visa for ninety days.
As it happens, We've got some very good friends from
Europe who for the last two years have come for
exactly ninety days because that's they would actually like to
stay for one hundred, but they can't without getting a
special visa. Now they continue to communicate with their colleagues
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and that sort of thing. Is that working well? It
probably is. It's I think if they're going to try
and get digital nomads. So essentially you're in New Zealand
with your laptop communicating with your colleagues overseas. There's no
way of monitoring, or.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
It must be happening anyway, surely people account.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
It's very different if you're a young person backpacking or
something like that, and you arrive here and you wander
down to a local building site and ask for a
job as a laborer. Okay, maybe we want to protect
local workers from that type of visitor arriving and taking
somebody else's job. But someone arriving from overseas and communicating
digitally and working digitally, we've already got no control over that,
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so it's kind of meaningless.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It's the next stage, I think, really, where if they
are going to stay for five or six months, that
they take a short term rental and then you know,
we already have a yeah, until we have a squeezed economy,
and I know the rental markets to pre to the moment,
But there have been times the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
E Bentley, I wasn't here for it. I'm just wondering
if I'm missing something, because if I was touring around
the well, you're.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Missing is tim We had the sunrise first in New Zealand.
Who wants to be working the complete wrong end of
the day for most of the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Who is going to do They're wrong, We're right, And
actually there's a selling point. See the sunshine, see the
sunrise first every day in New Zealand. That's where we are.
But I don't get it that it seems to be
some sort of thing that's going to make a difference
to people. I would imagine if people are taking a
bit of a holiday and they come up let's just
say they're coming over from England and they want to
go around for a few months, and they work for
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a company and they've got their laptop, but they.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Don't right, they don't actually end up trapped. I mean,
they will go on weekend excursions or whatever, but basically
they are moving to New Zealand for a short term,
so they're going to do everything. I mean, are we
offering them healthcare? I presume not. But what if they
want their kids to go to school, because there is
a point at which they're entitled to enroll their kids
in school. Don't ask me what that limit is, but
it has come up for discussion.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't think it's not very controversial, although is it.
We want to attract more talented people to the country
when we've got so many leaving whatever works?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I thought they are you seeing it as a way
of advertising New Zealand to them that they may want
to shift here and get jobs here.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I think it's an excuse to actually, yeah, we've changed something.
It's time to put a bit of a press release
out into market New Zealand more to keep higher, to
keep people coming. I did see, by the way, a
nice story in the New Zealand here, all about a
couple who had moved here, and they were saying they'd
come from England and they were talking about how much
they loved the country and everything, and I thought, there's
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so much boohoo ya sucks. This country is terrible and
everyone's leaving. But it was nice to read a story
from someone who'd come from England going, we absolutely love
it here, because we do tend to be very grinchy
in terms of what New Zeand's.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Like are we're not the lucky country. But so this
is I've got a question for you then, Tim, if
this is not a big deal, you don't have a
problem with people working from home here, then right.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Working from home here, well, I guess it depends what
their employers want and if as an employer's attack. We're
going to get on into this later on. By the way,
you're a stirer. I don't have a big problem with it,
but I think if you're working from home four or
five days a week, I don't know. And I was
your employer, and I wanted you to come in, I'd
expect you to come in. I come into work. Look,
I can't do this remotely. Otherwise I'd missed the pleasure
of your company and the positive vibe as we get
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from having people in the studio Anna Burns France's Pete
Walk Camp and seeing your silver foxness. Let's move on
calls for jury duty. I misread the story. Originally I
thought they were looking for younger jurors, but they when
I first saw it.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's an actually really reasonable assumption. With you insider, the
usual demographic that does, by the turning.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Calls for jury duty cut off age to increase at
the moment at sixty five at National MP car Bates
wants to increase it to seventy two. I actually, to
be honest, sixty five it's not really.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
A cut off either. Well, well, what it actually means
is that if you're sixty six years of age, you
might still get a summons, but you have an automatic out.
But you can still do serious. When you're sixty six.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Years of age, you can just say to them I
don't want to.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
It gives you an out right out.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Once you're sixty five you know.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
What he's saying is we're not going to give you
that automatic out. Oh you can still get out for
ill health or work commitments or family or whatever like
anybody else can. But you don't just because you're your age.
You don't get to just take a box and go.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Have you ever done your jury duty? And how many times? Once?
Or twice?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And only once? Actually I've been called a couple of
times after that. This was many many years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Did you get challenged on the way to the box?
Sort of?
Speaker 4 (25:38):
No, not back then. Actually it was really intriguing in
case it was a manslaughter case. Wow, yeah, it was
quite fascinating and kind of.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
Did you mind that you didn't get paid, you know,
compared to your unusual wages that you were a very
public public duty.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Three or something like that. You know it I was
probably winning back then, but you know, in over the
years now it's it's it is quite an imposition on
someone who runs their own business who's self employed.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, well generally you can get a few of its
self employed just right and say look, this would impact
me financially in my business and I can't do it,
and you're off. Either that or when you turn up
and they call your name, Tim Beverage, you go whoo.
The lawyers will always challenge here Anna, have you done
jury duty?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
I've never been called the In fact, the closest I've
got was that I got sent a letter when I
lived in New York that said I've been added to
the list that I might have to turn up. And
that's as close as I've ever got. I did watch
one guy at a trial I was covering in New
Zealand and he turned up and he had long hair
that it was all straggly and everywhere, and he's wearing
a filthy singlet was just sort of a shirt over
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the top and a pair of board shorts and flip flops.
And he went to walk up and they said, you know, chow,
but of course you don't get to leave automatically. You
might have to go into the pool for another trial.
So he just sits down and pulls out like a
copy of Lord of the Rings and pops a pair
of neudy glasses on ties this here up and just
I thought, you've just dressed up for brilliant.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, that is a good move.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think he looked like a total bum.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I don't think I've ever been called for jury duty,
probably because maybe one well I've got I used to
be a lawyer and I've practiced, I've got to I
don't know where they've gone to, some sort of list
where it for a while, So I'm not I'm not
telling that I'm doing some.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
So do you want another seven years added to your
possible call out time?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Ah? Well, I haven't been called up yet. I don't
really care.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Okay, I'm going to say I don't think they should.
I don't think they should extend it because I don't
think older people should be sitting on it.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Ooh, hot, take you did you just say that for
the for the safe conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So I was chatting to my brother on Friday because
it was his seventieth birthday. Right now, I think that
he would be more than capable of doing it.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
It's not capable. It's that I think we have a
real problem when you do see who who does turn
up to Jerry Judy and who you know You've just
said a lot of and a lot of people in
New Zealand are self employed. I think the way that
it's structured and reimbursed and how it's managed is the issue.
Because you should have a wide spectrum of society. And
if we are stretching out, if the retirement age is
(28:10):
still sixty five and we are suddenly adding another seven
years on to who can sit on that panel, that's
a lot of people that you are skewing it towards
that are suddenly going to become more eligible.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I just want people who are intelligent and compassmentus. And
that is not a requirement of jury service. No, it's
not adulting. And I can think of some verdicts going
back in the past where I thought that the jury
were not necessarily of the highest caliber because of the
result they came up with. But age, I guess where
I'm coming from, is sixty five is not actually that old.
(28:40):
These days it may have maybe thirty years ago. People
are living longer, and I mean, obviously people once you
get a bit older, there's more chants that there's going
to be some sort of age related condition that you'll have.
But then again, there are some people who lived to
I saw arch Jelly, John Walker's old coach, who was
inducted into the New Zealand Athletics Life membership at the
(29:03):
age he must have annoyed someone to have to wait
that long, but that there was someone who was still
sharp as attack. He looked he and he looked about eighty.
But people, I don't think we should be ruling people
out necessarily at sixty five, as if you're no good.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
The person flying your plane isn't any older than sixty five,
and I trust them with my life. If I was
up on a murder charge, I wouldn't want anyone over
sixty five.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Okay, well watch this space and if you ever get
charged with murder, and and I'll be really.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Curious to be calling out challenge myself.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I expect that my view is slightly different to yours
because I'm a little bit closer to sixty five.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Are you going to ask to be removed or are
you going to turn up at seventy one point nine
and say here I am.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's one of.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Those things, you know. I wonder whether they because there's
a real problem with filling juries, right, yeah, and the
delay that's part of it and so on is whether
we introduce professional jurors or whether we introduce, you know,
people that actually volunteer for it and get selected more regularly.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
And that's the thing. I think There are so many
other things you could do other than just skew the age.
More was to even it up to represent society in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
And I would be suspicious of people who are volunteering,
who want to do it all the time. I'm not
sure why, but you know, I got some sort of
acts to Brian there some way I don't know, but anyway,
we'll be back in just a moment. It's twenty four
News Talks. He'd be yes, my guests Sanna Burns, Francis
and Pete wolf Camp. By the way, after five John
Cawns with us, we might have a chat about one
of the movies from your childhood that you should get
your kids to watch, or maybe not as well. We'll
have a chat about that on the Parents Squad. But
(30:34):
right now, oh well, it's actually to a nasty piece
of news, really, but the sixty seven people who believed
to have died after that passenger plane was hit by
a black Hawk military helicopter in mid air. I think
the story about this out of this, Pete will start
with you is Donald Trump wanted to blame it on
DEI and the diversity. And I'll leave it to you
(30:56):
where you go.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
It does sound like they were understaffed, which is never great. Yeah,
so two people supposed to be on but only one
person working at that time. But then yeah, to blame
it on the d I think is nonsense. It is
still staggering to behold, though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I think there's actually is there an international shortage of
air traffic controllers as well. Yes, But here's the thing
that's gonna that's gonna make the difference is if the
air traffic controller said, have you seen this plane? Et cetera,
and the and the and the helicopter acknowledges it and
I've seen I've spoken to a couple of pilots about this.
I've got my pilot's license, not that that qualifies me.
But there are certain times when there's an angle or
(31:32):
something where you just don't see it.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think, at least in the New York Times updates
I was reading, made possibly some confusion about which plane
he was supposed to be watching out for. You know,
when I was in the States and the I think
it must have been just Cinder. I done came up
for a trip, oh the White House trip, and they
brought up the plane. Whatever the New Zealand plane is
the one that breaks down all the time, and and
(31:56):
they let me sit in the seat behind the pilots
for one of the segments from from DC up to
New York or was it from New York to I
don't know. Anyway, they were on the East Coast and
these parts are saying, this is the most insane air
traffic we've ever had to fly, and they said it
is so busy, like do not say a word. We
are just concentrating so hard. There are so many signals
(32:17):
coming at us all the time. They said it was
one of the most challenging flights they've ever done.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And that's one of the things that's emerged in the
conversation around it, is that that particular airspace it's insane.
And also in.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Terms of DC's got two or three airports, I think.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, but also with military aircraft maneuvering in the airspace
as well, which might be sub subject to air traffic control.
But there's just so much I think. I mean, if
you just look at any busy airport around the world,
and how busy the most airports are, like Singapore, et cetera.
But apparently Washington's on a whole Well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Because you've got all the private flights going to and
from places like the Pentagon and the White House. Then
you've got the commercial flights coming in and out.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, business absolutely chao terrible.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
So well, eventually we'll probably find out what's happened.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
But you can guarantee you it's not going to be diversity.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
No, it won't. Possibly the only what my explanation, some more.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Money towards some more air traffic controllers.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
That's the one and probably the only reason that Donald
Trump came up with that is that that's his line
for everything. So in terms of his own thought, there's
a complete lack of diversity. There we go. I'll get
the emails going, oh Trump arrangements and drom and all
that sort of stuff, and it's like, yeah, look in
the mirror right just on the on the on the
bad news, I think I'm a bit over the doomsday clock.
(33:32):
So they've shifted it to eighty nine seconds. No, I'm
just I'm just I'm just sick of predictions of doom
in the end of the world, and now they've shifted
it to eighty nine seconds to midnight. And I've had
a bit of pushback about this about if you really
went back to the Cold War era and things that
were going on. Maybe the clock was a lot closer
to midnight than eighty nine seconds, but they like to
(33:54):
keep moving forward because it's a wave of scientists explaining
the problems that we are facing as a species.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Pete actually had an interesting moment this week. So the
story came out earlier in the week, right, And we've
got a seventeen year old in the house and he
comes wandering down the hallway and in the office and
he goes, have you seen this about the doomsday clock?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
I was like, you whatever, I've seen that happen a
few times.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, no, that was exactly it. And I could see
I'm looking on his face, was like, how are you
not taking this seriously?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And then I was.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
Thinking, we're all good at the top, and.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I'm going, yeah, but I'm of that generation that we
got taken as school students to see that movie about
the the nuclear clear bombs, you know, And.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
I'm like, you've become complacent peepe pretty much pretty much,
which is terrible.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Or we've just got a slightly longer perspective of that
particular story. And because I heard it forty years ago,
and maybe I heard it thirty five years ago and
thirty years ago, I don't feel that angsty about it
moving now, so don't. But for a new generation it's
probably a big deal. Well it was a big deal.
I think there is a part.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I think we have to be aware of the things
that we have to work on a society and as
countries about People will be rolling their eyes when I
say this bit about you know, not only about the
conflicts between countries, but climate and all that sort of thing.
But I just I don't know. I find that all
these things like doomsday clock do is serve to terrify
(35:20):
and create anxiety in the younger generation when there's not
much individually they can do about it. So I'm a
little bit isn't at the point, no, bugger off, still
traumatizing my children? Just go away?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
A little traumatizing might actually prompt a bit of action here.
If everyone was as complacent as you, we might.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just go No.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I mean, Russia fizes, we won't all die immediately.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Well, if Russia fies, me getting angsty about it won't
make any difference to what's going to happen. It's like,
shall I feel the angst or should I just think well,
I've got half an hour ago to save my family
before all all goes puff. Now, I do think there
is something about I remember how traumatized Ie was growing
up when we were told that the nuclear threat, if
it happens, that's it. We're all gone. And I thought
(36:00):
sort of think, okay, fine, but it got rammed down
our threats to the extent that I thought, And I
think that's doomsday clock. And I'm just wondering if we've
got a generation of younger people who are they're almost thinking, oh,
let's not have kids because it's not worth it.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
There's not going to be a planet for tim They
are frogs being boiled in a pot if the doomsday
clock tells them that the element is hot. I don't
think it's a bad idea. There's going to be a
lot of other times when the headline just washes over them.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, I think so see, yeah, only just won't tell you.
We'll talk about that. I suppose like being dismissive of it,
and that's kind of what I sounded like I was
is not I think it's actually still really important that
(36:49):
we actually advocate for things like world peace, that a
move towards getting nations to be more cooperative, to getting
people to understand our shared humanity, to having some collective goals,
to desiring a better world is a really good thing.
It's kind of hard to get that across in a
way that's that allows you to connect with young people.
(37:12):
And so maybe the people that monitor the doomsday clock
use it as a useful tool to go, we've got
to keep working on this stuff, right, and maybe young
people will look at it, yes, through their new experience
and their new eyes, and go, oh, maybe that.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yes, we should.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Pete has just done all the work for the doomsday clock.
Not only did he have a conversation with the Sun
about it, but he's also just put a very valid
argument forward here as well.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well, and what I say to my kids, I don't
eighty nine seconds. Don't worry if it gets down to
one second, they'll split it into thousands of the second
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
And only you know, Oh God, you're the guy who
keeps telling kids Santa Claus is true.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Oh, to be fair, there was a part of me
that went, I didn't realize that they've gone to seconds.
I was thinking it was still in minutes.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
They started at seven didn't they Yeah, because it looked nice.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Yes, then you know, if you've got seven minutes, then
you can only move it a minute to and fro,
but obviously by breaking it down to seconds.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
And then tens of seconds, thousands of seconds. Anyway, Hey,
look we're going to come back just a moment. Speaking
of seconds, it's nine minutes to four. News stalks'd b Yes,
welcome back to the Weekend collect Vanavan's, Francis and Pete
wolf Camp. I'm Tim Beveridge. This is the well, the
final topic of the panel, but issues with Sky TV.
So it's funny how they didn't really quite get this
right with the dying satellite and the timing. But a
(38:23):
lot of people not very happy. And my first response was,
why don't you just watch it on your TV through
your data?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
You sound like my mom trying to explain what the
internet is.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
No, just digitally just watch it?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean because a lot of people have
already paid their monthly subscription and they have everything set
up and to auto record the news for them or whatever.
They have tim and they're tightened and they set up
at the batch to watch their sport over summer.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It feels very nineteen ninety nine. That way of consuming
your media, doesn't it?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
See what It's not a cheap way of consuming it either.
So if you are paying quite a bit for the
service every month, you should expect it to work. And
I would just like to put it out there as
a former Fairgo reporter.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Oh that's right, I forgot about that.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Sky should have absolutely seen this coming.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Either.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
They're checking in with the satellite provider and saying, how
are we going on that satellite? Are you guys turning
down the fuel in term? Soon A were going to
need to make some adjustments and they should have ramped
up there technicians on call to go and start moving
everybody's satellites around a bit. Or they should be offering
refunds at least.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I think they are going to have to offer some refunds.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
And sign up to the data.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You've never had Sky in your life, never, never, mean,
even when it came out, it was the hot thing,
the way to watch movies and sport. You just not
for me, free to wear.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I had it for the foot World Cup two years ago,
for the month, and then you got.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Rid of it, the whole thing all over again.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
No, no, no, it was the same as using that on.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
The on the internet, on the interwebs.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Actually, I've always to be the biggest issue about data
is data or data? Apparently it's data. Okay, I said data.
I still get it wrong. But anyway, Hey Ada, lovely
to have your back.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It's a Francis and Pete Wolf. We can catch them
on the resident bills.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah, I think so tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's good, excellent. Nice to see you guys. We'll be
back shortly with the wond Roof radio show. Nick Goodall
is with us talking out what's it going to take.
What are the conditions we need to see to get
the property marketing market sparking again, if in fact that's
what you want. This is News Talk SB the Weekend Collective.
It is three minutes to four.
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