April 19, 2025 • 17 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Mark Crysell to discuss the wild weather - and whether Kiwis were adequately warned about the extreme conditions.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk
s B.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective the Saturday, the nineteenth of April,
looking forward to your You can text your feedback anytime
in nineteen nine too. If you're not in a hurry,
you can always email me. I say not in hurry,
because sometimes I check it. Sometimes I don't just be
honest to be at newstalks, be dot co, dot m Z.
Coming up in today's show. In just a moment, I'll
be introducing our esteemed panelists in a moment, but looking
(00:50):
a little bit further forward where we will be taking
your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and
also text nineteen nine two for the one roof radio show.
Ilse Wolfe joins us for just the second time. She's
a property investment coach and she's a she's quite an
expert on adding value to properties rather than just buying
them and sitting on them for a while. So we're
going to ask where what are the money pits? But
(01:11):
when can renovating add the greatest value to your investment?
How do you avoid over capitalizing, and we're gonna have
a chat with Ulster about that after four o'clock and
taking your cause and your reckons on that as well,
and after five for the parents' Squad, Catherine Burkett joins
us the difficult question about how much shit you should
try to manage, if at all, your children's friendships or
(01:33):
dare I say relationships? Got the bad boyfriend, the bad girlfriend?
Is it time to move down, time to shift schools.
I don't know it's happened. I think it might have
even happened with my mom awhile back. Actually now I
think of it. Thanks to that I'm around, which is good. Anyway,
we're going to talk about that how much should we
interfere with our child's our children's friendships? And before sex
will rat sport with Superman Christopher Reeve, who is going
(01:56):
to talk about the upcoming Auckland def se. We got
a lot lot happening on the sports front, the Warriors,
super Rugby, So yeah, it's all happening here on the
Weekend Collective. It is coming up to nine minutes past.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Three, debating all the issues and more. It's the panel
on the Weekend Collective on News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
B Yes, and well. A couple of season journalists join
us for the panel, some perhaps more season than the others.
They're looking at each other in shock, as if there's
going to be some argument about who's the most season.
Season just means you've been around more than six months
in this business anyway. So first things first, I'm trying
(02:37):
to think why I'm going with ladies. First, shall we say,
Willelmina Shrimpton, Hello, Willemina, Hello, how.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Are you good?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Nice to see you?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well season, well seasoned, salted blickord whatever you know?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Sounds going to sting take night.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's just the reason I joke about that with Wilhelmina
is because she's just joyously in love with her. And
who's running touch today? Actually on he's not reffing today. Yeah,
good stuff, which is more work, I imagine. Riffing is hard.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Reefing definitely reefing.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And the silver Fox himself there's it's I don't know
how to put it. That's smart price, you're throw away.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You've always find a way away with basted, I think
than oh.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, salted pepper and.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, sultann pepper. Where should well beyond the salt
and pepper. It's more salt.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Now, distinguished, gentleman, distinguished, not quite yet.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
By the way, have you have you how long have
you have you been?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Silver focused? There's some people who go silver or gray
quite early, but it suits that. No, I was early.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
My granddad was completely gray at the age of eighteen,
and I think yeah, And I started seeing mine going
gray during gray hairs during my twenties. But a number
of my fellow former TV people, specially the front ones, yeah,
died there here for a long time. But you can
always tell.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
With the guy you can.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You can always. Don't know why that is, but you can't.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And you've got to make sure your eyebrows match as well.
You get your eyebrows and read it. And and what
do they call it?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Man escaping?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Man escaping? Something else, isn't it? Actually, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Actually have you ever have you ever sort of escaped?
I feel like this.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Just at the time, I really must go, But thanks
for having me.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's been great.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Great.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It was Mark cries or ladies and gentlemen closed the door.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
On the well basted and on his way out wasted,
I'd say, well basted.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It does it does sound like February the fourteenth, activity
doesn't it anyway? Look, actually, I've got a confession. I
was just going to say, yes, it's not as exciting
as you might think. So while we're getting ready for
the show, we got the yeah did you get and
you know what I did immediately went shut up and okay,
(05:03):
And I realized I didn't even read that. I didn't
bother I think probably because I was in a newsroom
and I thought, if there's anything I need to know,
i'll hear it. Apart from that, and I did notice
it said that there's been storm warning and it said
by two fifteen question mark, and then they released and
said by three o'clock. But I can tell everyone by
the way that the storm thunderstorm warning has been lifted.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
But did you guys read it?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Did you guess?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And it was extended to three o'clock. It had very
COVID like vibes. Remember that we used to get those
stressed me out case in the community, that kind of thing.
It feels a little bit like an overreaction to me,
because I think a lot of people were angry that
they weren't tipped off about the damn downpour we got
(05:48):
in Auckland and the thunderstorms last night. So I feel
like they're going, Okay, now we think something's going to happen,
We're going to let you know as quick as possible.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I mean it's the weather. It's not totally predictable. It's
not like to a point. I mean, that's their job.
But in terms of localization, whether the thunderstorm is going
to be just off the coast or a few hundred meters,
it can make a big difference to where to where
it impacts.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I feel like they get a bit of a bad rap.
They do a pretty good.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Job all things considered.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I think they're pretty good at predicting the worst weather.
But like you say, it's mother nature. That sister changes
her mind often, you know, and all of a sudden
it will completely change.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I feel like when.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
It's happening, to then keep updating people as it's happening,
then that's great.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Pick it up. But I think they get a really
bad rap. It's changeable.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, and they've got a bad rap over last night's store,
and I think this is what they've reacted to. I
think they've put that out. I mean, I was so
worried about it that I hopped on a pushbike and
rode into the studio.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Oh yeah, I saw you with your helmet. I was like,
you're brave.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I'm still wearing that though, just in case.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Actually do you I mean, are you all weather cyclist?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
A pretty much? Yeah, that's yeah. But that's the thing
I like about it, that you're out in the open
and all kind of weathers. If it's there are very
few days I won't ride my buy.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
But yeah, you're very brave. I feel like this is
the case with anything though that happens. If there's a
big news event or a big situation or incident, all
of a sudden, we overcompensate for the fact that there
may or may not have been enough notifications ahead of
the time. And I meant, the one thing that always
sticks out in my mind, and this would have been
years and yars ago actually, when I was still at
TV and Z and working on the assignment's desk, and
(07:30):
there was a big fatal gas explosion out in South Auckland.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It was salta cartage or some kind of welding business
that was happening, and it was as a result of
a gas leak, and I remember before that, there were
notifications about gas leaks all the time. There are fifty
sixty of them per day. And then as soon as
that happened, every single gas leak we would send the
camera crew out to just in case. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It was that overreaction after it happens.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, and weather events, we love them, did we love weather?
And a reporter standing out in the windy, rainy day
in the.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Piece to camera huge and the big you know, is
it sort of like a passage for a generally goes
on your sky reel for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Hey, but last night was insane crazy. Oh my god.
I actually our house shook from the force of that
thunder and lightning. It was my eyes closed, you know,
the curtains open. It was like there was somebody who
was welding in front of me. It was insane.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I slept through it.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
What do you know? I was. I was up last
night going there won't be a single person in Auckland
who's asleep right now.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I found did wake up at some stage. I don't
know if it's be course of thunderment. Maybe in St.
Hell Is it didn't quite wasn't quite as localized as
were you guys.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Are my very climate?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Maybe is where about you?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, I'm on I'm in Milford on the north Shore.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Okay, yeah, I got the feeling it was slightly away
from us. But I was. I do the thing of
when I see a flash of lightning out the window,
I go one year two, it's three hundred meters.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
It's one for one killing me.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, a speed of sound is three hundred meters a second.
So isn't it great that that you can come here
and learn something?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
It doesn't happen often. Let me tell you, right, I
would say.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The same to Mark if if he said the same thing,
I would be you know. Actually, the thing is, let's
get back to that alerts. Much as it's fun to
point out the science of sound waves and the speed
they're traveling on the medium, if you're underwater and you
heard the lightning, it would be different because sound travels
something serious.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
But just wait, there's more.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I mean, should are you expecting to get alerts? Because
it would be annoying. It's a no win situation for them.
They get damned if they do. I just think, look,
if there's a thunderstorm, surely, if it's going to be
in your area, you should make sure that the hatches
are bad and down and that anything's that things are
tied up. Do we need a warning for a I mean,
(10:12):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, you can argue it either way, can't you.
I mean, there's been like all the tsunami warnings that
people actually go to the beach to look at it,
Oh my god, and nothing ever happens, you know, So
I mean, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And I think one of the things is they felt
that the emergency services weren't probably prepared last night for
what happened. We had some serious flooding around the place.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
We were lucky it wasn't worse than it was, which
is which is good news. But there was a saying
that my mum always says, She's like, it's better to
have it and not need it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
They need it and not have it. So it's it's
better to have that.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Warning and then not need it, then not have the
warning and not have it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Full wanders, full armed, right, I got lost.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
There there were so many knots. I'm not sure if
we were saying that it was a positive. You know,
when you say that a knot on a knot need
it not And I'm like, is that a positive have it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
And not need it?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
They need it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Are you women?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Explaining to me?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I am and will plating well explaining.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
On the other hand, my sister says, it's a beautiful
day in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Today and you can't beat Wellington on a good day nearly.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Indeed, what a lovely way to finish that one off.
I think we flogged that one to death. Now now
this look I have, I'm not sure what I think
about this two x two stories. So the police have
confirmed several new investigations into alleged sexual abuse within the church.
Now there is and originally made the news because there
(11:35):
is there's a national MP, Hamish Campbell, who is involved
with the church, and before more information came out, it
seemed to be that he was just being he was
sort of being made the story for being a member
of a church when people had misbehaved. And I'm like, well,
you should interview every Catholic and say you member the
(11:55):
Catholic Church. And I guess it's the question about when
is someone being a member of a little sect like
Gloria Veil relevant to their job and when do you
pull them into the story, even though there's no question
of whether he's involved in that at all. But I
think the mistake he made was he didn't quite disclose
how connected he was with the community, sort of played
(12:17):
it down a bit. But I sort of think it
brings so many questions up. Do we do we should
we all know what people's wacky views are religious?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, if they're MPs, I think it's probably a good
thing that we know what their wacky views are, so
you know what they're voting for.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's the thing though. But religion, I mean, somebody who's
an atheist might say that anyone who believes in religious
and is barking mad. But we but we trust that
people put their religions then you can make a choice.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So if it's not out there and it's hidden, and
this is described as a secretive, you know, well private secretive.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I don't know if you're going to just have to
disclose what your religious alignment is or beliefs are. I
think that you should disclose every single thing that you're
aligned with. That could be your your hobbies, it could
be a social group, it could but you know, I
you know, sports.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Group hobbies, don't go to beliefs as much. You know,
like somebody who is Catholic for example. You know, we're
not picking on Catholics today, but someone who is a
Catholic scientologists or scientologists, old Mormons or anyway. But if
someone's a Catholic may have very strong views on abortion, right.
So if you know that about them and you have
(13:27):
opposite views, then you you can make an informed decision
on whether you vote for that person or not. I
think it's important that we know more about the backgrounds,
and we know with what's happened in the Green Party recently.
You know, those sorts of things that if they are
kept out of the public eye and they come out,
then it can come out in a distorted way.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And people are shocked when they do come out.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I think that the reservation I had was and earlier
in the days when there was a question of some
there's allegations of sexual abuse, then immediately you go knocking
on the door of the MP saying you're a member
of this church, and it was sort of like tying
him into sexual abuse when when there's no evidence whatsoever.
And I guess I don't know, maybe it was just
the way it was reported.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I thought it's just a one news story' talking about Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Like any organization though.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
If there's an organization where there is something controversial that
goes on and that organization is under the microscope and
all you work for that organization, oh well you must
know something, you must they must be involved this kind
of Yeah, there's that that awkwardness, right that by association
you seem to have known something or have something to
do with it. And that's not necessarily fair, but it's
what the conclusion that everyone jumps to and.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Guilt by association is never a good thing. But he
is also probably the highest profile member of this church.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I've never heard of him sick.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Come on, he's got the notable role. So therefore that
it brings in the headlight.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
One does get the feeling forgetting Hamish Campbell, but one
does get the feeling that this particular organization has got
a little bit of heat coming its way because I
see that there are more more investigations, and.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Not just in New Zealand, around the world as well.
So yeah, I mean, you know, who knows there's not
always smoke with his fire, or was that fire with
his smoked?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I'd love to see when Christopher luxon and church, what
what his church is actually, Like, I know it's a
home church, No, no, I just want to see if
he stands there waving his hands in their taping side.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
So I think it's pinned costal. So it's one of
the New York They'll be full on. It's full on.
It's like a rock concert.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Really, yeah, yeah, yeah, we actually I'm surprised that we
actually haven't been allowed into that church.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
In that point, I mean, I think he was unfairly
targeted a little bit because of his religious beliefs in
the beginning. And I think people tried to go after
him because he was a Christian. And I think, you know,
unlike America, you can get elected in New Zealand if
you say you don't believe in God. But on the
other hand, of people have a very strong faith, then
(15:55):
they're often looked upon and I don't know if that's fair.
And I'm sting someone who's an atheist as well.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So I'm an atheist, yeah, but and yet I was
raised and I think a country that's founded on Christian
values and all that sort of stuff, that seems less
controversial for people to be a member of some churches
rather than others.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I feel like there's lots of people as well who
family had a religious kind of alignment and they were
baptized and then all of a sudden that they don't
have any connection to religion.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What I was never at times?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Do you think do you think that we could America
will ever elect a president that's not a Christian, that
is actually that is an avowed non Christian. There we go,
because I mean, you can't tell me that Donald Trump's
you know, really game.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Can't we get through this without talking about him?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
No, let's not. Let's not.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay, I'll tell you what. We're going to move on.
In fact, I think the next topic is a fairly
weighty one before we move on to some slightly brighter,
sort of happier topics. So we might take the break.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
This is News Talk sai'd Be. This is the Weekend Collective,
my panelists Mark Kreisel and Wilhelmina Shrimpton, and we'll be
back in just a Moment's twenty three and a half part.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
And a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective the Saturday, the nineteenth of April,
looking forward to your You can text your feedback anytime
in nineteen nine too. If you're not in a hurry,
you can always email me. I say not in hurry,
because sometimes I check it. Sometimes I don't just be
honest to be at newstalks, be dot co, dot m Z.
Coming up in today's show. In just a moment, I'll
be introducing our esteemed panelists in a moment, but looking
(00:50):
a little bit further forward where we will be taking
your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and
also text nineteen nine two for the one roof radio show.
Ilse Wolfe joins us for just the second time. She's
a property investment coach and she's a she's quite an
expert on adding value to properties rather than just buying
them and sitting on them for a while. So we're
going to ask where what are the money pits? But
(01:11):
when can renovating add the greatest value to your investment?
How do you avoid over capitalizing, and we're gonna have
a chat with Ulster about that after four o'clock and
taking your cause and your reckons on that as well,
and after five for the parents' Squad, Catherine Burkett joins
us the difficult question about how much shit you should
try to manage, if at all, your children's friendships or
(01:33):
dare I say relationships? Got the bad boyfriend, the bad girlfriend?
Is it time to move down, time to shift schools.
I don't know it's happened. I think it might have
even happened with my mom awhile back. Actually now I
think of it. Thanks to that I'm around, which is good. Anyway,
we're going to talk about that how much should we
interfere with our child's our children's friendships? And before sex
will rat sport with Superman Christopher Reeve, who is going
(01:56):
to talk about the upcoming Auckland def se. We got
a lot lot happening on the sports front, the Warriors,
super Rugby, So yeah, it's all happening here on the
Weekend Collective. It is coming up to nine minutes past.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Three, debating all the issues and more. It's the panel
on the Weekend Collective on News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
B Yes, and well. A couple of season journalists join
us for the panel, some perhaps more season than the others.
They're looking at each other in shock, as if there's
going to be some argument about who's the most season.
Season just means you've been around more than six months
in this business anyway. So first things first, I'm trying
(02:37):
to think why I'm going with ladies. First, shall we say,
Willelmina Shrimpton, Hello, Willemina, Hello, how.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Are you good?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Nice to see you?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well season, well seasoned, salted blickord whatever you know?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Sounds going to sting take night.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's just the reason I joke about that with Wilhelmina
is because she's just joyously in love with her. And
who's running touch today? Actually on he's not reffing today. Yeah,
good stuff, which is more work, I imagine. Riffing is hard.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Reefing definitely reefing.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And the silver Fox himself there's it's I don't know
how to put it. That's smart price, you're throw away.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You've always find a way away with basted, I think
than oh.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, salted pepper and.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, sultann pepper. Where should well beyond the salt
and pepper. It's more salt.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Now, distinguished, gentleman, distinguished, not quite yet.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
By the way, have you have you how long have
you have you been?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Silver focused? There's some people who go silver or gray
quite early, but it suits that. No, I was early.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
My granddad was completely gray at the age of eighteen,
and I think yeah, And I started seeing mine going
gray during gray hairs during my twenties. But a number
of my fellow former TV people, specially the front ones, yeah,
died there here for a long time. But you can
always tell.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
With the guy you can.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You can always. Don't know why that is, but you can't.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And you've got to make sure your eyebrows match as well.
You get your eyebrows and read it. And and what
do they call it?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Man escaping?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Man escaping? Something else, isn't it? Actually, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Actually have you ever have you ever sort of escaped?
I feel like this.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Just at the time, I really must go, But thanks
for having me.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's been great.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Great.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It was Mark cries or ladies and gentlemen closed the door.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
On the well basted and on his way out wasted,
I'd say, well basted.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
It does it does sound like February the fourteenth, activity
doesn't it anyway? Look, actually, I've got a confession. I
was just going to say, yes, it's not as exciting
as you might think. So while we're getting ready for
the show, we got the yeah did you get and
you know what I did immediately went shut up and okay,
(05:03):
And I realized I didn't even read that. I didn't
bother I think probably because I was in a newsroom
and I thought, if there's anything I need to know,
i'll hear it. Apart from that, and I did notice
it said that there's been storm warning and it said
by two fifteen question mark, and then they released and
said by three o'clock. But I can tell everyone by
the way that the storm thunderstorm warning has been lifted.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
But did you guys read it?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Did you guess?
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And it was extended to three o'clock. It had very
COVID like vibes. Remember that we used to get those
stressed me out case in the community, that kind of thing.
It feels a little bit like an overreaction to me,
because I think a lot of people were angry that
they weren't tipped off about the damn downpour we got
(05:48):
in Auckland and the thunderstorms last night. So I feel
like they're going, Okay, now we think something's going to happen,
We're going to let you know as quick as possible.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I mean it's the weather. It's not totally predictable. It's
not like to a point. I mean, that's their job.
But in terms of localization, whether the thunderstorm is going
to be just off the coast or a few hundred meters,
it can make a big difference to where to where
it impacts.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I feel like they get a bit of a bad rap.
They do a pretty good.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Job all things considered.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I think they're pretty good at predicting the worst weather.
But like you say, it's mother nature. That sister changes
her mind often, you know, and all of a sudden
it will completely change.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I feel like when.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
It's happening, to then keep updating people as it's happening,
then that's great.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Pick it up. But I think they get a really
bad rap. It's changeable.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, and they've got a bad rap over last night's store,
and I think this is what they've reacted to. I
think they've put that out. I mean, I was so
worried about it that I hopped on a pushbike and
rode into the studio.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Oh yeah, I saw you with your helmet. I was like,
you're brave.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I'm still wearing that though, just in case.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Actually do you I mean, are you all weather cyclist?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
A pretty much? Yeah, that's yeah. But that's the thing
I like about it, that you're out in the open
and all kind of weathers. If it's there are very
few days I won't ride my buy.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
But yeah, you're very brave. I feel like this is
the case with anything though that happens. If there's a
big news event or a big situation or incident, all
of a sudden, we overcompensate for the fact that there
may or may not have been enough notifications ahead of
the time. And I meant, the one thing that always
sticks out in my mind, and this would have been
years and yars ago actually, when I was still at
TV and Z and working on the assignment's desk, and
(07:30):
there was a big fatal gas explosion out in South Auckland.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I can't remember.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It was salta cartage or some kind of welding business
that was happening, and it was as a result of
a gas leak, and I remember before that, there were
notifications about gas leaks all the time. There are fifty
sixty of them per day. And then as soon as
that happened, every single gas leak we would send the
camera crew out to just in case. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It was that overreaction after it happens.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, and weather events, we love them, did we love weather?
And a reporter standing out in the windy, rainy day
in the.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Piece to camera huge and the big you know, is
it sort of like a passage for a generally goes
on your sky reel for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Hey, but last night was insane crazy. Oh my god.
I actually our house shook from the force of that
thunder and lightning. It was my eyes closed, you know,
the curtains open. It was like there was somebody who
was welding in front of me. It was insane.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I slept through it.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
What do you know? I was. I was up last
night going there won't be a single person in Auckland
who's asleep right now.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I found did wake up at some stage. I don't
know if it's be course of thunderment. Maybe in St.
Hell Is it didn't quite wasn't quite as localized as
were you guys.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Are my very climate?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Maybe is where about you?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, I'm on I'm in Milford on the north Shore.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Okay, yeah, I got the feeling it was slightly away
from us. But I was. I do the thing of
when I see a flash of lightning out the window,
I go one year two, it's three hundred meters.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
It's one for one killing me.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, a speed of sound is three hundred meters a second.
So isn't it great that that you can come here
and learn something?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
It doesn't happen often. Let me tell you, right, I
would say.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The same to Mark if if he said the same thing,
I would be you know. Actually, the thing is, let's
get back to that alerts. Much as it's fun to
point out the science of sound waves and the speed
they're traveling on the medium, if you're underwater and you
heard the lightning, it would be different because sound travels
something serious.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
But just wait, there's more.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I mean, should are you expecting to get alerts? Because
it would be annoying. It's a no win situation for them.
They get damned if they do. I just think, look,
if there's a thunderstorm, surely, if it's going to be
in your area, you should make sure that the hatches
are bad and down and that anything's that things are
tied up. Do we need a warning for a I mean,
(10:12):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, you can argue it either way, can't you.
I mean, there's been like all the tsunami warnings that
people actually go to the beach to look at it,
Oh my god, and nothing ever happens, you know, So
I mean, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And I think one of the things is they felt
that the emergency services weren't probably prepared last night for
what happened. We had some serious flooding around the place.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
We were lucky it wasn't worse than it was, which
is which is good news. But there was a saying
that my mum always says, She's like, it's better to
have it and not need it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
They need it and not have it. So it's it's
better to have that.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Warning and then not need it, then not have the
warning and not have it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Full wanders, full armed, right, I got lost.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
There there were so many knots. I'm not sure if
we were saying that it was a positive. You know,
when you say that a knot on a knot need
it not And I'm like, is that a positive have it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
And not need it?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
They need it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Are you women?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Explaining to me?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I am and will plating well explaining.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
On the other hand, my sister says, it's a beautiful
day in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Today and you can't beat Wellington on a good day nearly.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Indeed, what a lovely way to finish that one off.
I think we flogged that one to death. Now now
this look I have, I'm not sure what I think
about this two x two stories. So the police have
confirmed several new investigations into alleged sexual abuse within the church.
Now there is and originally made the news because there
(11:35):
is there's a national MP, Hamish Campbell, who is involved
with the church, and before more information came out, it
seemed to be that he was just being he was
sort of being made the story for being a member
of a church when people had misbehaved. And I'm like, well,
you should interview every Catholic and say you member the
(11:55):
Catholic Church. And I guess it's the question about when
is someone being a member of a little sect like
Gloria Veil relevant to their job and when do you
pull them into the story, even though there's no question
of whether he's involved in that at all. But I
think the mistake he made was he didn't quite disclose
how connected he was with the community, sort of played
(12:17):
it down a bit. But I sort of think it
brings so many questions up. Do we do we should
we all know what people's wacky views are religious?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, if they're MPs, I think it's probably a good
thing that we know what their wacky views are, so
you know what they're voting for.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's the thing though. But religion, I mean, somebody who's
an atheist might say that anyone who believes in religious
and is barking mad. But we but we trust that
people put their religions then you can make a choice.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So if it's not out there and it's hidden, and
this is described as a secretive, you know, well private secretive.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I don't know if you're going to just have to
disclose what your religious alignment is or beliefs are. I
think that you should disclose every single thing that you're
aligned with. That could be your your hobbies, it could
be a social group, it could but you know, I
you know, sports.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Group hobbies, don't go to beliefs as much. You know,
like somebody who is Catholic for example. You know, we're
not picking on Catholics today, but someone who is a
Catholic scientologists or scientologists, old Mormons or anyway. But if
someone's a Catholic may have very strong views on abortion, right.
So if you know that about them and you have
(13:27):
opposite views, then you you can make an informed decision
on whether you vote for that person or not. I
think it's important that we know more about the backgrounds,
and we know with what's happened in the Green Party recently.
You know, those sorts of things that if they are
kept out of the public eye and they come out,
then it can come out in a distorted way.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And people are shocked when they do come out.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I think that the reservation I had was and earlier
in the days when there was a question of some
there's allegations of sexual abuse, then immediately you go knocking
on the door of the MP saying you're a member
of this church, and it was sort of like tying
him into sexual abuse when when there's no evidence whatsoever.
And I guess I don't know, maybe it was just
the way it was reported.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I thought it's just a one news story' talking about Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Like any organization though.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
If there's an organization where there is something controversial that
goes on and that organization is under the microscope and
all you work for that organization, oh well you must
know something, you must they must be involved this kind
of Yeah, there's that that awkwardness, right that by association
you seem to have known something or have something to
do with it. And that's not necessarily fair, but it's
what the conclusion that everyone jumps to and.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Guilt by association is never a good thing. But he
is also probably the highest profile member of this church.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I've never heard of him sick.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Come on, he's got the notable role. So therefore that
it brings in the headlight.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
One does get the feeling forgetting Hamish Campbell, but one
does get the feeling that this particular organization has got
a little bit of heat coming its way because I
see that there are more more investigations, and.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Not just in New Zealand, around the world as well.
So yeah, I mean, you know, who knows there's not
always smoke with his fire, or was that fire with
his smoked?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I'd love to see when Christopher luxon and church, what
what his church is actually, Like, I know it's a
home church, No, no, I just want to see if
he stands there waving his hands in their taping side.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
So I think it's pinned costal. So it's one of
the New York They'll be full on. It's full on.
It's like a rock concert.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Really, yeah, yeah, yeah, we actually I'm surprised that we
actually haven't been allowed into that church.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
In that point, I mean, I think he was unfairly
targeted a little bit because of his religious beliefs in
the beginning. And I think people tried to go after
him because he was a Christian. And I think, you know,
unlike America, you can get elected in New Zealand if
you say you don't believe in God. But on the
other hand, of people have a very strong faith, then
(15:55):
they're often looked upon and I don't know if that's fair.
And I'm sting someone who's an atheist as well.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So I'm an atheist, yeah, but and yet I was
raised and I think a country that's founded on Christian
values and all that sort of stuff, that seems less
controversial for people to be a member of some churches
rather than others.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I feel like there's lots of people as well who
family had a religious kind of alignment and they were
baptized and then all of a sudden that they don't
have any connection to religion.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What I was never at times?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Do you think do you think that we could America
will ever elect a president that's not a Christian, that
is actually that is an avowed non Christian. There we go,
because I mean, you can't tell me that Donald Trump's
you know, really game.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Can't we get through this without talking about him?
Speaker 5 (16:39):
No, let's not. Let's not.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay, I'll tell you what. We're going to move on.
In fact, I think the next topic is a fairly
weighty one before we move on to some slightly brighter,
sort of happier topics. So we might take the break.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
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