October 6, 2024 • 24 mins
April Ieremia is an icon in New Zealand for many reasons, from her time as a Silver Fern to her career as a TV host. But since stepping out of the spotlight a few years ago, she has taken up a new role as the director of sports at Westlake Girls High School on Auckland's North Shore.
In this episode, Toni and April catch up to discuss April's life since leaving the public eye, including raising her two children, why getting kids involved in sport is so important for their growth, and how you can keep kids motivated to stay in sport throughout high school.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We need to Talk conversations on wellness with co cfm's
Tony Street.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, welcome to We need to Talk. It is lovely
to have you with us. April Damir is a household
name in New Zealand. At age twenty, she made the
Silver Ferns netball team. She was the main sport anchor
for One News for nearly ten years, hosting big events
like the Comm Games the Olympics, and was also the
face of netball. She's also the published author. Her book
April Loses It was a New Zealand best seller for
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four weeks. April is now the director of Sport at
Westlake Girls High School on Auckland's north Shore, helping our
Tamodiki realize their potential in the sporting arena. The school's
basketball team recently finished third at the World Champs, which
I believe is the best ever finish of a New
Zealand school. Is that right, April?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Absolutely, it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Must have been a really proud moment for you, because
that is being a serious player on the world stage.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
We're really fortunate because our coaching team of Bromin, Davidson
and Nulla four two have put together not just a
great team but excellent team culture, and so that invitation
came because it was the second time with one Nationals
because it's a biannual event. So being able to go
over to Macaw and compete with the best, especially under
the umbrella of Saint Peter's Cambridge who went over to
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I think Greece with Rosmony into seventeen or two nineteen,
I can't remember, and they came fourth and fifth respectively.
So then to come third, it was.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Like yeah, especially in a sport that is as big
as basketball. So I want to talk about we're at
with Westlake Sports soon, but let's just go back in time.
Everyone knows you as the Festival of Silver Fern, but
as a broadcaster as well. So what have you been
doing since you kind of left the Tally world? Catch
us up children like most people. So yes, after I
left TV and zed about three or four years with
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raising Atlanta and Zander, which is really nice, and then
I had to get back into the workforce because you know,
divorce does that to you. So I ended up going
to the Living Channel and Food TV, which I spent
a bit of time. One of the most memorable interviews
on Food TV was Reck Stein, we got to go
over to his restaurant over in New South Wales and
may taped to the Legend of Culinary Delights kind of thing,
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and then moved into Choice TV and HGTV, and then
round about the time when Atlanta started playing in primary school,
I thought right time to give back, because you know you,
I was given so much as a netballer, so started
primary coaching, moved into Auckland Rep coaching and then found
my way to Wislate Girls as their premier and year
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nine coach and have been there ever since.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Really, so it.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Took probably four years, three years to get out of
broadcasting altogether and then get back into the community. But
it's not foreign because I started out as a pe
teacher in Avenside Girls High School way back in oh
my God, nineteen ninety two and then have come back.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So it's nice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, So talk to me about your two kids. Do
they follow in your footsteps with either sport or broadcasting?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
So not so much broadcasting. Atlanta was a delight on
camera though, and soefully she will one day, but definitely
in sport. So I learned earlier on the piece that
if you kept the kids busy and tired then they
would probably stay out of trouble. So we've always had
a smash ward of sport, regardless of what year group
they are. And she started it up as the eldest,
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being really good at netball but also water polo and
then of course rowing. He came into the fold with
basketball and then rowing as well. So they've both moved
into their tertiary studies. Auckland doing big comms and he's
taken a wee moment out it's Anta sorry, and he's
just gone off to doing mini oe, hopefully being back
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at Christmas in Sydney, and then we can just continue
getting that under their belt and then they can finish
off the foundation with me and go and do whatever
they like.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
How involved were you in that sporting process. I'm interested
in this because we have a lot of sporty parents
that listen to this podcast and it's kind of hard
to know, you know, how hard you can push the
kids and how much you need to say you just
go and do your own thing.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I was very involved because they wanted to do so much,
and I wanted them to have a huge array of options,
especially through primary school, intermediate and definitely junior school. So
it's like, what would you like to try, and each
thing they tried, they seemed to be better and better
at it, so you had to, I think, primarily cut
them round. You know, rowing is a huge sport where
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you have to cut them round mornings.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I'm a morning person. Okay, they don't hurt.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think it's the thing about rowing is it's probably
the hardest sport, and the sense of training and the
hours they spend and the fatigue because all they would do,
and both of them similarly, is they would train, eat, sleep,
and I had to force space to study, so they
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were too tired to do anything else. And then, of course,
because I was a netballer, it was easy to put
my hand up to volunteer for that kind of stuff.
But then as a sports person, it was also easy
to put your hand up to manage other stuff that
you weren't proficient in. So yeah, I was pretty there,
and I was happy to be there because I actually
enjoyed watching sport first, and then secondly the kids try second.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And kind of nice now being a director of sport
that you've been there, done that with your own kids,
so you know what it's like to be a parent
as well. Where do you sit on the specialization of
sport versus doing multiple sports.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, as I mentioned before, in the early years, just
try everything and anything. You know, you're not going to
be a world champion in year nine, You're not going
to be, you know, unless, of course, you like a
little gymnast who has to specialize and you're after the
Olympics at sixteen kind of thing. And then as you
get into the later years, there'll be so many more
demands on your school teams, your rep teams, your national
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teams if you're fortunate to make age groups, so you
need to probably spend more time focusing on those particular things.
But around year eleven, we still have a lot of
students who do three sports, like at landed it and
their love of one in particular or their ability in
one particular tends to shine out.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Is it possible in this era, you know, come year
eleven to be doing them all? Because I mean, when
I was at school, you kind of could do everything.
And I don't know if that's because I grew up
in the regions or what, but I feel like now
the seasons tend to merge a lot more together.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I grew up in christ so I did everything as well.
Hagley Park was good.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It's winter in summer, right, and we have a respect.
So summer sports start in a pre season, which is
usually their peak season for winter, and summer peak is
a pre season for winter. So the respect is you
let the kids go and do their national championships or
their big tournaments, and you tolerate the next season's trials
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or pre season trainings conditioning as much as you can.
But there is an obvious season for each sport. The
trickiness comes when a kid really loves say two summer
sport like for example, Atlanta did water polo and water
polo in year nine to ten is across the year,
but it tends to be term four, so it tends
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to be summer. And then premier water polo in senior
school is term one, which is the same time as rowing.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So you do you see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I do. So you know that's tricky.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You could have done rowing YEP with junior water polo
because it's a bit different.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And then you have to choose.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
YEP and you've got two coaches if you're good, that
really want you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But the key thing is with the coaches is that
they communicate and they go, look, we're just doing a
fitness preseason.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You goes are obviously doing full on training. Yeah, let
it go.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Do you just go and do that and we'll just
pick her up when you guys have finished your peak
competition so to speak.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Ye, how does it go with outsiders looking at the
students and sort of identifying them early? And I bring
this up because a couple of days ago I interviewed
a young footballer, Joe Knowles, who's the goalie for the
new Auckland FC team, and he told us that he
got his break when he was at the Ames Games,
which is into me at level sports. Someone saw him
play at Aimes and that's kind of how he got
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his shot and I'm like, wow, that's his a twelve
year old. Is that happening more and more so?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Passionate coaches tend to spot and keep an eye on
and you don't just keep an eye on them or
track them through school because a lot of footballers play
through club, so they can keep an eye on that
kid from the age of ten, eleven, twelve all the
way through their schooling career. Because the club is an umbrella,
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it's an arc across those years completely. But as I
mentioned before, the most important thing is just to let
them all have a go, let them all see where
they fit. Because you're not going to be a world
champion at eighteen, are you?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Maybe you will be actually.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Least you're some on baths, but you know, and like,
for example, we have a wonderful girl at a young
woman at who went to Westlate Girls and she came
into our sports prize giving last year and she won
an Olympic gold medal this year. But when she was
at school, she just learnt canoe of Vaughn. She was
just canoeing on Lake Papoke and then all of a
sudden she connected with the team, and then you connect
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with the Dame Lisa Carrington and then all of a sudden, yeah,
she's standing on the top podium after winning a gold
in the fort So we're really fortunate we're having it
back this year to see what it was actually like
at the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's really good, crazy and for it to happen not
that far outside of school's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Under the radar.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, this is we need to talk with Tony Street.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I love the lessons that kids get through sport. But
you would see it as the director of sport more
than most see kids develop from when they arrive at
your school get into sport. How valuable is it for
people that maybe don't see the benefit of sport like
you and I would.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's a really good life education. It's a really good
like inside the classroom it's academic, we all learn the
intelligence and the mental of it all. But outside it's
like tools that you can take for the rest of
your life, like, for example, the passion that you enjoy
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when you're out there and all the emotion that it
brings up. It's just a really open playground for you
to experiment in all those areas. And there's one key
rule in life, you know, when people say what do
you want to do, it's like, do what you are
most passionate about. Do it to the best of your
ability for as long as you possibly can, and when
you've done it, or when you've exhausted it, or when
you can't do it any longer, I'm the next thing
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that you're passionate about, and that's probably what will keep
you kind of like motivated and moving forward. It's usually
when politics get involved that you get stuck and all
the rest of it. But and then other things like
in team situations, accountability, integrity. Integrity is a big one.
It's like doing what you say you'll do regardless of
who's watching. I mean that's big, isn't it. Yeah, some
people won't do it because no one's watching. They don't
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have an audience. But integrity is a big one, and
then it'll get you through hard working be having that
kind of ethic develop and also to so many kids
who fail in selections or are with the wrong coach.
The resilience of it all, Like I didn't make that team,
and West State girls were really fortunate because we have
I'd say, we get you know, we probably get the
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cream of the North Shore in Auckland come over and
trial or even try to get into the school. And
if you've got ten feeter intermediates like Belmonton to medium, yep.
And then you have those ten players wanting to come
to your school, that's one hundred players buying for ten positions. Yeah,
so ten of them will get it. And then you've
got the others who it's ninety people. That's nine teams
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who might end up in team eight. So the resilience
of actually being able to go. Why am I playing
the sport? Is it because I actually really want to
be good, dig deeper, work harder, or is it because
I actually love this game? And you actually find the
camaraderie and the friendship and the social connections through sport,
not just netble, but for any sport. It's a great
way to make new friends and new places.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
How often do you see because I know, even just
from coaching, you know, I try and say to them, look,
if you don't get in this team, and I don't,
thank goodness, if you don't get in this team, it
doesn't mean you can't get it into the next year.
How often do you see a player miss out and
then they pop up a year two years later because
they've really wanted to get in the top team.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Will you get players who are like jumpers, Like they
come in and then they're just there, and then all
of a sudden they're brilliant because they've matured, because they've
grown taller, because they've grown faster, because it's clicked in
there and go on, actually that's what I want. I'm
going to work really hard on it. And then you
have the naturals who can just pick up anything and
do anything. You have the workhorses who basically have to
train a lot harder than some, but they're the more
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resilient ones who will last longer because they've actually had
to work harder for it. They haven't taken it for granted.
So we see all types of kids, and I think
the key thing is if you love it and you're
passionate about it, just keep doing it because you just
don't know how you'll develop. And you may not be
the most brilliant kid in year nine, but you might
end up being in the premier team in year twelve.
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It might take you four years to get there because
you have had to sit behind others who have taken
it for grant, who have become injury injured. And it's
those opportunities. And so when you get your opportunity, I
don't know how you people would do it, but just
get rid of the fear, you know, just go yes,
because regrets a big thing, isn't it. It's like I
wish I had And sometimes it's actually better to give
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it a go and fail than to sit there and go,
oh my god, I wish I had done it, you know,
because you didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It must be a.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Hectic time for you. How do you balance coaching because
you coach two teams and then you're the director of
sport as well. You're off overseas with the basketball team
wherever that was somewhere McCown, China, the Yo to China.
How do you balance all of that because it seems
like a lot of responsibility, There.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Is no balance. It's prioritizing, right.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You basically go time frames, workload, and you just make
sure that what needs to be done, Like I'm really
good at deadlines, and I'm quite good at planning yep,
and I can do things quite quickly. So you just
have to make sure that wherever your deadline is, work
back from it, get it done, and enjoy the moments.
For example, there was a lot of work around everything
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I was doing going with prior to going to Macaw,
and while I went over there and did the logistics
to make sure everything was in place for whatever, there
was plenty of time to enjoy it. Like I've never
been to Macaw, I've never seen the city. I've never
seen our teams perform on an international stage like that,
you know, for Westlake Girls, and then to perform so
brilliantly you know and they are and can we say
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this all the time? You know, so one of the
friendliest countries in the world. Well, our team was like that.
Everybody loved them. They just were so open to any
kind of conversation, regardless of whatever we're as other teams
were standing back and going, you know, threat, threat, threat,
We're going, oh no, it's great. Play the game, Oh no,
it's great. You know. It was really sweet, especially in
teenage years. So as far as balancing everything that you do,
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I guess the first thing is I do it because
I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Otherwise you just wouldn't do it right.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
No, and then and then the next thing is you
just set out what's important for you and what has
to happen next. The whole year for school is so busy.
We often come in at turm one and go, oh
my god, it's so busy. And it is busy because
you've got all the news of the sports setup, you've
got the athletics days, the swimming days, you've got all
the winter trials. But then also you've got your whole
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cohort of year nine students coming in, so you've got
to deal with them. And then you think term two,
that's nice and quiet quite for about two weeks and
then the full full flight of winter sport. Term three
is like turn one. It's a transition from you know,
all the competition phases and the peak playoffs and stuff
like that winter tournament week, and then you've got the
trials for the juniors in term four, and then you
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think term four is going to be really nice and
easy and you've got prize giving. Oh, you've got the
junior you know, North Island Secondary School's champs. As atually,
it's probably the last week of school that's probably the nice,
peaceful time.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, and the first week of school.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I was just going to say that summer period because
so many teams now talk about their summer training and
doing this and this and this in the holiday break,
do you do that or do you give yourself a
bit of time off?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So I give myself as much time off as I
can find. Yeah, and I have no qualms about it
at all.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
With the children.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
With the kids, you know, we have a strength and
conditioning program and while it's fixed during the school week,
you know, this is when it is come do it,
and it's usually get up for our premier teams during
the school holidays, there is a program that's given to them,
so the onus is on them, Like, this is what
you need to do to be in a great position
for when you come back for those top teams.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Said integrity thing you've talked about no one's watching.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But accountability. So if you do it, you'll come back great.
If you come back half, you know, mast then you
will have to work a weey bit harder in pre season.
So there is accountability there. Like you can offer them everything,
but they won't do it unless they want to do it.
And we do do have We do have parents who
guide children and students the best they can because they
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were perhaps top sports people or really passionate about whatever
sport or missed an opportunity when they were younger, so
they didn't want their live vicariously through. Yes, and they
have best in tens. That's what kids have to understand.
But sometimes is a mismatch because the kids have had
a guts full. Yeah, they don't want to do it
and they are over it. It's like, you know, if
you want to do it, you just do it. But
they've had the chance, right, so they can't do it.
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So there are lots of different things that you encounter,
but I will say that probably everyone experiences the same
thing at different times.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, you're listening to we need to talk with Tony Street.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
What about you outside of your job? Do you have
time to have any hobbies?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
What did you?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I know you don't play netball because I asked you
to be part of the Coast Invitational and the knees
aren't right for it. We miss you.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
We really needed an extra player. Did you win? No,
not about what anyway you would have been.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You would have been on the x Ferns side to
be fair, and they pumped us. But we had a
great time.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And that just quietly that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Absolutely. Although we did get some rings like Kirk Penny,
so you know we had some weird tall.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Timberanda we have a problem with the small ring.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He actually took to it very well. Doctor were quite
good in the wonderful What else do you do for fun?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I do nothing. I try to do absolutely nothing like
I really love. I love me time, I love peaceful time.
I have my four best friends, the med girls. I
have my children who I don't see enough of. I
just begging them to hang out with me, but they're
nineteen and twenty one, and they find me incredibly uncool,
So I just have to make do with whatever like that.
I do like to read a lot, which is quite good.
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And what else do I do? No, Honestly, I'm quite
a boring person.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, you don't do you do any form of sports
anymore because that's what your rounding was in.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I'm just a walker.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
So walking is really good for clearing mind, problem solving,
just setting the day kind of thing. And if I
don't do that, I tend to get a bit wound
up a little bit. So at some stage I do
like to meditate, so I've probably gone more into the
internal well being of it all and the peaceful side
of it. So if it's not clear and it's not peaceful,
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I park it and do it when I've got time,
which is usually never. So just anything that's full of
confusion or discomfort, it gets dealt with later when I've
got time.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
What about the way you sort of interact with the
kids at school and the girls or boys that you're coaching.
Do you feel like you can draw on your experience
from playing netbull at the highest level and from actually
all the precious situations you've been in because you did
life tally for many years as well.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I think empathy is a big thing I can do
that you know I have. When they come up to
me with all kinds of excuses about why not, there's
usually another reason behind the excuse of why not, and
sometimes you just give it grace and if it goes
repetitively for a week while, then we have to look
at something a bit deeper. But usually sometimes people just
want a wee time out and as far as planning
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what to do next, as I said before, just do
what you really love, just to.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Have fun with it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And sometimes we get involved when parents have got different
goals to student goals and stuff like that, but every
parent has their child's best intentions at heart, so it
always wins out and it's just revealing to each side
they're different perspective, because like if you've had a parent
for fifteen ten to fifteen years, you're gonna hear a nag,
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nag nag going on in your head, don't you. Or
as if you're listening to someone that you probably see
once a week for about a month or something like that,
it's probably gonna hear it far clearer and with more
concentration and consideration. So human nature is a funny thing.
But it's fun, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah? Oh gosh, I love coaching, but I agree with
you just managing everyone as difficult. What sort of style
would you say or type of coach are you? You've
said you've got that empathetic side. Are you the coach
that sort of is shouting on the sidelines? Are you
quite quiet? Like? Are you a bit of a hard ass?
How would you describe yourself?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I'm absolutely the shouting on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Oh I'm so pleased to hear that, as I think
noise generates energy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Same, I'm glad you said that because I've like I'm
like that, and sometimes I see people looking at me sideways.
I'm like, well, I don't want to be a mute.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Well, you know what, if it's if you're doing it
and it's working, who cares? So I think the way
that we have been taught through Netble coaching through Netble
New Zealand is to be player centered. Yep, hand the
question over to the player, help them to find the answer.
But sometimes it takes forever. Right, So, as far as
coaching is concerned, I set structures like different plays and
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stuff like that, and then we have conversations around difficulties.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And being able to pull it off.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
If someone's struggling with anything in particular, we ask those
questions and stuff like that. But it's my coaching style
is quite formula formulaic, and it's quite loud, and it's
quite bossy, and it's I used to hear they say,
and it's quite fun. Like I'm very good at using
anecdotes to try and draw a comparison of what I'm
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trying to achieve.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Like, give me an example.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Can you think of what? No, I can't give you
one off the top of my head, but do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like, I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You want them to do this?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It's like you just go It's like if you did that,
you know, and I go, oh, penny drops. Everyone's happy
and we can move on to the next part. But
I coach because I think it's fun. This year I managed.
I think because you as director of sport or a
sports manager, you get to do logistics extremely well. So
this year I got to manage the New Zealand under
eighteen North rowing team.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
They had a great time. They won, They beat the South,
and so we're very excited about that. It was fun
and the coaches that I dealt with were great, and
I have an empathy for their performance side. But I
didn't have to touch it because I don't know anything
about the technical side of rowing. I just had to
manage the off off, the water carry on, which is fine.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So for all the coaches that are listening to this,
what have you learned from all your time coaching? That's
probably the most valuable sort of piece of knowledge that
you might like to share.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Success comes with time persist. That's probably the key, because
you break it down in the beginning. You're very passionate.
It might be an amazing when an amazing success, great,
but every year there's a new challenge. If it hasn't
been the big success that you wanted that year, it'll
be the next year or the year after that. If
there's been a difficulty with dealing with players or parents
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or anything like that, then that could be the challenge
for the next year.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But it's all part of a growth.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You know, when you are actually helping someone else, they
are helping you.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
It's like a mirrored environment.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Any aspirations to coach at a high level.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Or once upon a time I wanted to be right
up there with the best of them. Yeah, but it's
actually quite a demanding thing and it comes with opportunity, right,
So that's probably in the hands of the gods to
be honest with you, and for now setting strong foundations
and good basic frameworks for what's going on with the netball.
You know, Cohort in particular is working quite nicely with
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with Westlake girls. I do get to dabble with the
bigger girls like we had. I was assistant coach with
the Auckland team last week and it's just so nice
to deal with players who throw the ball at one
hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's so good. I find it exciting.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I find some of the stuff they do at the
secondary school's level exciting when I haven't seen that level
do that stuff. So you know, there are things that
keep me entertained, things that keep me excited, and things
that will always keep me coming back.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh, April, Honestly, just hearing all your advice and hearing
how you approach things has been so great today. And
we'll watch the space. Because you haven't completely shut the
door on the coach. You get a high level and
I feel like New Zealand Network could really utilize yours.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
We'll just dun it, just leave that there.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
We can replay that if that happens.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
My own PR team. Thank you, Tony Street. No worry, we.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello, welcome to We need to Talk. It is lovely
to have you with us. April Damir is a household
name in New Zealand. At age twenty, she made the
Silver Ferns netball team. She was the main sport anchor
for One News for nearly ten years, hosting big events
like the Comm Games the Olympics, and was also the
face of netball. She's also the published author. Her book
April Loses It was a New Zealand best seller for
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four weeks. April is now the director of Sport at
Westlake Girls High School on Auckland's north Shore, helping our
Tamodiki realize their potential in the sporting arena. The school's
basketball team recently finished third at the World Champs, which
I believe is the best ever finish of a New
Zealand school. Is that right, April?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Absolutely, it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Must have been a really proud moment for you, because
that is being a serious player on the world stage.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
We're really fortunate because our coaching team of Bromin, Davidson
and Nulla four two have put together not just a
great team but excellent team culture, and so that invitation
came because it was the second time with one Nationals
because it's a biannual event. So being able to go
over to Macaw and compete with the best, especially under
the umbrella of Saint Peter's Cambridge who went over to
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I think Greece with Rosmony into seventeen or two nineteen,
I can't remember, and they came fourth and fifth respectively.
So then to come third, it was.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Like yeah, especially in a sport that is as big
as basketball. So I want to talk about we're at
with Westlake Sports soon, but let's just go back in time.
Everyone knows you as the Festival of Silver Fern, but
as a broadcaster as well. So what have you been
doing since you kind of left the Tally world? Catch
us up children like most people. So yes, after I
left TV and zed about three or four years with
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raising Atlanta and Zander, which is really nice, and then
I had to get back into the workforce because you know,
divorce does that to you. So I ended up going
to the Living Channel and Food TV, which I spent
a bit of time. One of the most memorable interviews
on Food TV was Reck Stein, we got to go
over to his restaurant over in New South Wales and
may taped to the Legend of Culinary Delights kind of thing,
(02:09):
and then moved into Choice TV and HGTV, and then
round about the time when Atlanta started playing in primary school,
I thought right time to give back, because you know you,
I was given so much as a netballer, so started
primary coaching, moved into Auckland Rep coaching and then found
my way to Wislate Girls as their premier and year
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nine coach and have been there ever since.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Really, so it.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Took probably four years, three years to get out of
broadcasting altogether and then get back into the community. But
it's not foreign because I started out as a pe
teacher in Avenside Girls High School way back in oh
my God, nineteen ninety two and then have come back.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So it's nice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, So talk to me about your two kids. Do
they follow in your footsteps with either sport or broadcasting?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
So not so much broadcasting. Atlanta was a delight on
camera though, and soefully she will one day, but definitely
in sport. So I learned earlier on the piece that
if you kept the kids busy and tired then they
would probably stay out of trouble. So we've always had
a smash ward of sport, regardless of what year group
they are. And she started it up as the eldest,
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being really good at netball but also water polo and
then of course rowing. He came into the fold with
basketball and then rowing as well. So they've both moved
into their tertiary studies. Auckland doing big comms and he's
taken a wee moment out it's Anta sorry, and he's
just gone off to doing mini oe, hopefully being back
(03:40):
at Christmas in Sydney, and then we can just continue
getting that under their belt and then they can finish
off the foundation with me and go and do whatever
they like.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
How involved were you in that sporting process. I'm interested
in this because we have a lot of sporty parents
that listen to this podcast and it's kind of hard
to know, you know, how hard you can push the
kids and how much you need to say you just
go and do your own thing.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I was very involved because they wanted to do so much,
and I wanted them to have a huge array of options,
especially through primary school, intermediate and definitely junior school. So
it's like, what would you like to try, and each
thing they tried, they seemed to be better and better
at it, so you had to, I think, primarily cut
them round. You know, rowing is a huge sport where
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you have to cut them round mornings.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I'm a morning person. Okay, they don't hurt.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I think it's the thing about rowing is it's probably
the hardest sport, and the sense of training and the
hours they spend and the fatigue because all they would do,
and both of them similarly, is they would train, eat, sleep,
and I had to force space to study, so they
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were too tired to do anything else. And then, of course,
because I was a netballer, it was easy to put
my hand up to volunteer for that kind of stuff.
But then as a sports person, it was also easy
to put your hand up to manage other stuff that
you weren't proficient in. So yeah, I was pretty there,
and I was happy to be there because I actually
enjoyed watching sport first, and then secondly the kids try second.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And kind of nice now being a director of sport
that you've been there, done that with your own kids,
so you know what it's like to be a parent
as well. Where do you sit on the specialization of
sport versus doing multiple sports.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, as I mentioned before, in the early years, just
try everything and anything. You know, you're not going to
be a world champion in year nine, You're not going
to be, you know, unless, of course, you like a
little gymnast who has to specialize and you're after the
Olympics at sixteen kind of thing. And then as you
get into the later years, there'll be so many more
demands on your school teams, your rep teams, your national
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teams if you're fortunate to make age groups, so you
need to probably spend more time focusing on those particular things.
But around year eleven, we still have a lot of
students who do three sports, like at landed it and
their love of one in particular or their ability in
one particular tends to shine out.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Is it possible in this era, you know, come year
eleven to be doing them all? Because I mean, when
I was at school, you kind of could do everything.
And I don't know if that's because I grew up
in the regions or what, but I feel like now
the seasons tend to merge a lot more together.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I grew up in christ so I did everything as well.
Hagley Park was good.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It's winter in summer, right, and we have a respect.
So summer sports start in a pre season, which is
usually their peak season for winter, and summer peak is
a pre season for winter. So the respect is you
let the kids go and do their national championships or
their big tournaments, and you tolerate the next season's trials
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or pre season trainings conditioning as much as you can.
But there is an obvious season for each sport. The
trickiness comes when a kid really loves say two summer
sport like for example, Atlanta did water polo and water
polo in year nine to ten is across the year,
but it tends to be term four, so it tends
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to be summer. And then premier water polo in senior
school is term one, which is the same time as rowing.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So you do you see what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I do. So you know that's tricky.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You could have done rowing YEP with junior water polo
because it's a bit different.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And then you have to choose.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
YEP and you've got two coaches if you're good, that
really want you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But the key thing is with the coaches is that
they communicate and they go, look, we're just doing a
fitness preseason.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You goes are obviously doing full on training. Yeah, let
it go.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Do you just go and do that and we'll just
pick her up when you guys have finished your peak
competition so to speak.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Ye, how does it go with outsiders looking at the
students and sort of identifying them early? And I bring
this up because a couple of days ago I interviewed
a young footballer, Joe Knowles, who's the goalie for the
new Auckland FC team, and he told us that he
got his break when he was at the Ames Games,
which is into me at level sports. Someone saw him
play at Aimes and that's kind of how he got
(08:04):
his shot and I'm like, wow, that's his a twelve
year old. Is that happening more and more so?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Passionate coaches tend to spot and keep an eye on
and you don't just keep an eye on them or
track them through school because a lot of footballers play
through club, so they can keep an eye on that
kid from the age of ten, eleven, twelve all the
way through their schooling career. Because the club is an umbrella,
(08:29):
it's an arc across those years completely. But as I
mentioned before, the most important thing is just to let
them all have a go, let them all see where
they fit. Because you're not going to be a world
champion at eighteen, are you?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Maybe you will be actually.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Least you're some on baths, but you know, and like,
for example, we have a wonderful girl at a young
woman at who went to Westlate Girls and she came
into our sports prize giving last year and she won
an Olympic gold medal this year. But when she was
at school, she just learnt canoe of Vaughn. She was
just canoeing on Lake Papoke and then all of a
sudden she connected with the team, and then you connect
(09:04):
with the Dame Lisa Carrington and then all of a sudden, yeah,
she's standing on the top podium after winning a gold
in the fort So we're really fortunate we're having it
back this year to see what it was actually like
at the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's really good, crazy and for it to happen not
that far outside of school's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Under the radar.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, this is we need to talk with Tony Street.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I love the lessons that kids get through sport. But
you would see it as the director of sport more
than most see kids develop from when they arrive at
your school get into sport. How valuable is it for
people that maybe don't see the benefit of sport like
you and I would.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's a really good life education. It's a really good
like inside the classroom it's academic, we all learn the
intelligence and the mental of it all. But outside it's
like tools that you can take for the rest of
your life, like, for example, the passion that you enjoy
(10:04):
when you're out there and all the emotion that it
brings up. It's just a really open playground for you
to experiment in all those areas. And there's one key
rule in life, you know, when people say what do
you want to do, it's like, do what you are
most passionate about. Do it to the best of your
ability for as long as you possibly can, and when
you've done it, or when you've exhausted it, or when
you can't do it any longer, I'm the next thing
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that you're passionate about, and that's probably what will keep
you kind of like motivated and moving forward. It's usually
when politics get involved that you get stuck and all
the rest of it. But and then other things like
in team situations, accountability, integrity. Integrity is a big one.
It's like doing what you say you'll do regardless of
who's watching. I mean that's big, isn't it. Yeah, some
people won't do it because no one's watching. They don't
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have an audience. But integrity is a big one, and
then it'll get you through hard working be having that
kind of ethic develop and also to so many kids
who fail in selections or are with the wrong coach.
The resilience of it all, Like I didn't make that team,
and West State girls were really fortunate because we have
I'd say, we get you know, we probably get the
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cream of the North Shore in Auckland come over and
trial or even try to get into the school. And
if you've got ten feeter intermediates like Belmonton to medium, yep.
And then you have those ten players wanting to come
to your school, that's one hundred players buying for ten positions. Yeah,
so ten of them will get it. And then you've
got the others who it's ninety people. That's nine teams
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who might end up in team eight. So the resilience
of actually being able to go. Why am I playing
the sport? Is it because I actually really want to
be good, dig deeper, work harder, or is it because
I actually love this game? And you actually find the
camaraderie and the friendship and the social connections through sport,
not just netble, but for any sport. It's a great
way to make new friends and new places.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
How often do you see because I know, even just
from coaching, you know, I try and say to them, look,
if you don't get in this team, and I don't,
thank goodness, if you don't get in this team, it
doesn't mean you can't get it into the next year.
How often do you see a player miss out and
then they pop up a year two years later because
they've really wanted to get in the top team.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Will you get players who are like jumpers, Like they
come in and then they're just there, and then all
of a sudden they're brilliant because they've matured, because they've
grown taller, because they've grown faster, because it's clicked in
there and go on, actually that's what I want. I'm
going to work really hard on it. And then you
have the naturals who can just pick up anything and
do anything. You have the workhorses who basically have to
train a lot harder than some, but they're the more
(12:33):
resilient ones who will last longer because they've actually had
to work harder for it. They haven't taken it for granted.
So we see all types of kids, and I think
the key thing is if you love it and you're
passionate about it, just keep doing it because you just
don't know how you'll develop. And you may not be
the most brilliant kid in year nine, but you might
end up being in the premier team in year twelve.
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It might take you four years to get there because
you have had to sit behind others who have taken
it for grant, who have become injury injured. And it's
those opportunities. And so when you get your opportunity, I
don't know how you people would do it, but just
get rid of the fear, you know, just go yes,
because regrets a big thing, isn't it. It's like I
wish I had And sometimes it's actually better to give
(13:15):
it a go and fail than to sit there and go,
oh my god, I wish I had done it, you know,
because you didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
It must be a.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Hectic time for you. How do you balance coaching because
you coach two teams and then you're the director of
sport as well. You're off overseas with the basketball team
wherever that was somewhere McCown, China, the Yo to China.
How do you balance all of that because it seems
like a lot of responsibility, There.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Is no balance. It's prioritizing, right.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
You basically go time frames, workload, and you just make
sure that what needs to be done, Like I'm really
good at deadlines, and I'm quite good at planning yep,
and I can do things quite quickly. So you just
have to make sure that wherever your deadline is, work
back from it, get it done, and enjoy the moments.
For example, there was a lot of work around everything
(14:02):
I was doing going with prior to going to Macaw,
and while I went over there and did the logistics
to make sure everything was in place for whatever, there
was plenty of time to enjoy it. Like I've never
been to Macaw, I've never seen the city. I've never
seen our teams perform on an international stage like that,
you know, for Westlake Girls, and then to perform so
brilliantly you know and they are and can we say
(14:24):
this all the time? You know, so one of the
friendliest countries in the world. Well, our team was like that.
Everybody loved them. They just were so open to any
kind of conversation, regardless of whatever we're as other teams
were standing back and going, you know, threat, threat, threat,
We're going, oh no, it's great. Play the game, Oh no,
it's great. You know. It was really sweet, especially in
teenage years. So as far as balancing everything that you do,
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I guess the first thing is I do it because
I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Otherwise you just wouldn't do it right.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
No, and then and then the next thing is you
just set out what's important for you and what has
to happen next. The whole year for school is so busy.
We often come in at turm one and go, oh
my god, it's so busy. And it is busy because
you've got all the news of the sports setup, you've
got the athletics days, the swimming days, you've got all
the winter trials. But then also you've got your whole
(15:13):
cohort of year nine students coming in, so you've got
to deal with them. And then you think term two,
that's nice and quiet quite for about two weeks and
then the full full flight of winter sport. Term three
is like turn one. It's a transition from you know,
all the competition phases and the peak playoffs and stuff
like that winter tournament week, and then you've got the
trials for the juniors in term four, and then you
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think term four is going to be really nice and
easy and you've got prize giving. Oh, you've got the
junior you know, North Island Secondary School's champs. As atually,
it's probably the last week of school that's probably the nice,
peaceful time.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, and the first week of school.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I was just going to say that summer period because
so many teams now talk about their summer training and
doing this and this and this in the holiday break,
do you do that or do you give yourself a
bit of time off?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So I give myself as much time off as I
can find. Yeah, and I have no qualms about it
at all.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
With the children.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
With the kids, you know, we have a strength and
conditioning program and while it's fixed during the school week,
you know, this is when it is come do it,
and it's usually get up for our premier teams during
the school holidays, there is a program that's given to them,
so the onus is on them, Like, this is what
you need to do to be in a great position
for when you come back for those top teams.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Said integrity thing you've talked about no one's watching.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
But accountability. So if you do it, you'll come back great.
If you come back half, you know, mast then you
will have to work a weey bit harder in pre season.
So there is accountability there. Like you can offer them everything,
but they won't do it unless they want to do it.
And we do do have We do have parents who
guide children and students the best they can because they
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were perhaps top sports people or really passionate about whatever
sport or missed an opportunity when they were younger, so
they didn't want their live vicariously through. Yes, and they
have best in tens. That's what kids have to understand.
But sometimes is a mismatch because the kids have had
a guts full. Yeah, they don't want to do it
and they are over it. It's like, you know, if
you want to do it, you just do it. But
they've had the chance, right, so they can't do it.
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So there are lots of different things that you encounter,
but I will say that probably everyone experiences the same
thing at different times.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, you're listening to we need to talk with Tony Street.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
What about you outside of your job? Do you have
time to have any hobbies?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
What did you?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I know you don't play netball because I asked you
to be part of the Coast Invitational and the knees
aren't right for it. We miss you.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
We really needed an extra player. Did you win? No,
not about what anyway you would have been.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You would have been on the x Ferns side to
be fair, and they pumped us. But we had a
great time.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And that just quietly that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Absolutely. Although we did get some rings like Kirk Penny,
so you know we had some weird tall.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Timberanda we have a problem with the small ring.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He actually took to it very well. Doctor were quite
good in the wonderful What else do you do for fun?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I do nothing. I try to do absolutely nothing like
I really love. I love me time, I love peaceful time.
I have my four best friends, the med girls. I
have my children who I don't see enough of. I
just begging them to hang out with me, but they're
nineteen and twenty one, and they find me incredibly uncool,
So I just have to make do with whatever like that.
I do like to read a lot, which is quite good.
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And what else do I do? No, Honestly, I'm quite
a boring person.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, you don't do you do any form of sports
anymore because that's what your rounding was in.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I'm just a walker.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
So walking is really good for clearing mind, problem solving,
just setting the day kind of thing. And if I
don't do that, I tend to get a bit wound
up a little bit. So at some stage I do
like to meditate, so I've probably gone more into the
internal well being of it all and the peaceful side
of it. So if it's not clear and it's not peaceful,
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I park it and do it when I've got time,
which is usually never. So just anything that's full of
confusion or discomfort, it gets dealt with later when I've
got time.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
What about the way you sort of interact with the
kids at school and the girls or boys that you're coaching.
Do you feel like you can draw on your experience
from playing netbull at the highest level and from actually
all the precious situations you've been in because you did
life tally for many years as well.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I think empathy is a big thing I can do
that you know I have. When they come up to
me with all kinds of excuses about why not, there's
usually another reason behind the excuse of why not, and
sometimes you just give it grace and if it goes
repetitively for a week while, then we have to look
at something a bit deeper. But usually sometimes people just
want a wee time out and as far as planning
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what to do next, as I said before, just do
what you really love, just to.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Have fun with it.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And sometimes we get involved when parents have got different
goals to student goals and stuff like that, but every
parent has their child's best intentions at heart, so it
always wins out and it's just revealing to each side
they're different perspective, because like if you've had a parent
for fifteen ten to fifteen years, you're gonna hear a nag,
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nag nag going on in your head, don't you. Or
as if you're listening to someone that you probably see
once a week for about a month or something like that,
it's probably gonna hear it far clearer and with more
concentration and consideration. So human nature is a funny thing.
But it's fun, don't you think?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah? Oh gosh, I love coaching, but I agree with
you just managing everyone as difficult. What sort of style
would you say or type of coach are you? You've
said you've got that empathetic side. Are you the coach
that sort of is shouting on the sidelines? Are you
quite quiet? Like? Are you a bit of a hard ass?
How would you describe yourself?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I'm absolutely the shouting on the sideline.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Oh I'm so pleased to hear that, as I think
noise generates energy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Same, I'm glad you said that because I've like I'm
like that, and sometimes I see people looking at me sideways.
I'm like, well, I don't want to be a mute.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Well, you know what, if it's if you're doing it
and it's working, who cares? So I think the way
that we have been taught through Netble coaching through Netble
New Zealand is to be player centered. Yep, hand the
question over to the player, help them to find the answer.
But sometimes it takes forever. Right, So, as far as
coaching is concerned, I set structures like different plays and
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stuff like that, and then we have conversations around difficulties.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And being able to pull it off.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
If someone's struggling with anything in particular, we ask those
questions and stuff like that. But it's my coaching style
is quite formula formulaic, and it's quite loud, and it's
quite bossy, and it's I used to hear they say,
and it's quite fun. Like I'm very good at using
anecdotes to try and draw a comparison of what I'm
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trying to achieve.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Like, give me an example.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Can you think of what? No, I can't give you
one off the top of my head, but do you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like, I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You want them to do this?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It's like you just go It's like if you did that,
you know, and I go, oh, penny drops. Everyone's happy
and we can move on to the next part. But
I coach because I think it's fun. This year I managed.
I think because you as director of sport or a
sports manager, you get to do logistics extremely well. So
this year I got to manage the New Zealand under
eighteen North rowing team.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
They had a great time. They won, They beat the South,
and so we're very excited about that. It was fun
and the coaches that I dealt with were great, and
I have an empathy for their performance side. But I
didn't have to touch it because I don't know anything
about the technical side of rowing. I just had to
manage the off off, the water carry on, which is fine.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So for all the coaches that are listening to this,
what have you learned from all your time coaching? That's
probably the most valuable sort of piece of knowledge that
you might like to share.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Success comes with time persist. That's probably the key, because
you break it down in the beginning. You're very passionate.
It might be an amazing when an amazing success, great,
but every year there's a new challenge. If it hasn't
been the big success that you wanted that year, it'll
be the next year or the year after that. If
there's been a difficulty with dealing with players or parents
(23:15):
or anything like that, then that could be the challenge
for the next year.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But it's all part of a growth.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You know, when you are actually helping someone else, they
are helping you.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
It's like a mirrored environment.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Any aspirations to coach at a high level.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Or once upon a time I wanted to be right
up there with the best of them. Yeah, but it's
actually quite a demanding thing and it comes with opportunity, right,
So that's probably in the hands of the gods to
be honest with you, and for now setting strong foundations
and good basic frameworks for what's going on with the netball.
You know, Cohort in particular is working quite nicely with
(23:51):
with Westlake girls. I do get to dabble with the
bigger girls like we had. I was assistant coach with
the Auckland team last week and it's just so nice
to deal with players who throw the ball at one
hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's so good. I find it exciting.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I find some of the stuff they do at the
secondary school's level exciting when I haven't seen that level
do that stuff. So you know, there are things that
keep me entertained, things that keep me excited, and things
that will always keep me coming back.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh, April, Honestly, just hearing all your advice and hearing
how you approach things has been so great today. And
we'll watch the space. Because you haven't completely shut the
door on the coach. You get a high level and
I feel like New Zealand Network could really utilize yours.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
We'll just dun it, just leave that there.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
We can replay that if that happens.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
My own PR team. Thank you, Tony Street. No worry, we.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
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