December 22, 2024 • 52 mins
It's time for the very best episodes of We Need To Talk for 2024
In part one, Toni chats with Rosa and Margo Flanagan of Two Raw Sisters, and professional makeup artist Lisa Matson
0:00 Disordered Eating with Two Raw Sisters
WARNING: This episode contains mentions of eating disorders. A list of resources is available at the bottom of the description if you or someone you know needs help
Rosa and Margo Flanagan have both dealt with their own struggles with disordered eating and have had to work together to create a healthy relationship with food. With the goal of making healthy food easy and delicious, the sisters created Two Raw Sisters to share their vege-first mentality when it comes to cooking and create yummy recipes that anyone can cook with whatever they have in their kitchen.
In this episode Toni, Rosa and Margo discuss how food used to make them feel sad, guilty and frustrated, how they used their competitive relationship to improve their eating habits, and how they use Two Raw Sisters to simplify the complicated subject of eating healthy.
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25:35 Professional makeup artist Lisa Matson
Toni catches up with professional makeup artist Lisa Matson.
Lisa brings her realm of experience - from magazine covers to international superstars like Eva Longoria - to share her best tips for make up application.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We Need to Talk Tony's Three's Lifestyle and Wellness podcast,
the very Best of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, welcome to We Need to Talk the podcast. Now.
For some of us, food is there simply as fuel.
It gives us energy and allows us to function at
our best. But for most people, me included, there's an
emotional relationship with food and it is so much more
than just fuel. It's complicated and we can have at
times a love hate relationship with it. To talk about
(00:30):
this connection today, we have the two Raw Sisters in
Rosa and Margo Flanagan, who buy their own admissions, say
that food has made them in the past feel guilty, confused, sad, low,
lower and energy, and it has led both of them
to suffer at times from eating disorders alongside other health conditions.
These days, the sisters are both in great places. They've
(00:52):
produced several top selling cookbooks, they have their own app,
they run cooking classes, and you're currently Ladies on tour
going around the country talking to people. You've got a
huge following and it's been amazing to witness that over
the last few years. But I want to know about
your connection with food that led you to today. So
(01:14):
perhaps rosa if you start with your journey.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, of course. So I was an elite athlete for
about eight years, and over my time as an athlete,
I got very obsessed with my results and my training,
which then led to an eating disorder. It wasn't necessarily
led on by me being obsessed with food. It was
more the training side, the body image side of things,
(01:38):
which then led me to restrict on what I was eating.
And for me, at the start, I was really oblivious
to the whole situation. In my eyes, I thought I
was doing a good thing for myself and my running
and my body image and being this ideal runner that
you know, all my fans and supporters looked up to.
And it got to a point where my doctor started
(02:00):
noticing the you know, the massive changes in my body
shape and size, and I got diagnosed with a condition
called REDESS, which stands for relative energy deficiency in sports.
So it's a combination of amin area. So I didn't
get my period until I was twenty one, low bone density,
so I had the bones of a seventy year old
at about twenty years old, and then I just had
(02:21):
low energy availability, which is quite similar to chronic fatigue.
But probably not as severe as chronic fatigue. So I
was in a really deep dark spot in terms of
I was going really well with my running, but I
literally had no energy. All I put my energy towards
was my running and my training, and I cut out
(02:42):
everything else. Family, time, time with friends, school, all those things.
And I mean, at the age of nineteen to twenty one,
you know, there you're the fun, exciting times where you
meet people and you you know, go out with your friends.
But I completely missed that whole period of my life
because I was so obsessed around what I was eating
and my running pretty much. And I don't really know
(03:06):
the like the moment where I said to myself, I
have to make a change. I think it was just
a combination of my doctors telling me, you know, the
current situation I was in. I did go through a
few doctors because I think it's really important to have
that solid relationship with that person who is trying to
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tell you your current situation and where it could potentially
lead to in a negative but then also if you
flip the situation that you're in, where it could lead
to in a positive way as well. So I really
trusted the person that I was working with, which kind
of made me felck a switch and be like, well,
if I keep going the way that I'm going, I'm
going to have some quite severe side effects that are
(03:50):
going to affect me immediately and then in the long
term as well, like having kids and all those things.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So, yeah, what was it like for you, Margo watching
this happen with Rosa? Did you recognize that she had
an issue?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I think it was really hard to watch Mum because
I know mum obviously mum and daughter relationships. Seeing Rosa
go through that was really really hard for Mum. And
I was going through my own issues at the time
as well, so I kind of wasn't really seeing Rosa,
but then I was. We were very competitive and we
(04:24):
really egged each other on in quite a negative way
that really excelled our health issues. I would say, would
you agree with that? Yeah, very very stubborn. This one
still is. But got a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
No, you were.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Extremely dedicated to your sport and that was all you
had time for.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So what were you competing over then? Because it was
sport your thing too.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, sport was my thing, but Rosa isn't natural at sport.
And I was good at sport, but I was always
kind of on the reserve table for the Canterbury team,
or you know, I was never in the team.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Rosa was always there.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And I think with me with my chronic fatigue, that
was kind of lingering in the background, and I always
got injured and you know, I had stress fractures and
tore my coat off the tendon and all these things
that stopped me from doing my sport.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I think a big thing as well was the body
image side of things that you looked at me as
your older sister, and I couldn't be smaller than you,
and you couldn't have bigger boobs than me and be
more developed as a female than me. You know, it
was something that you would compare to all the time.
Like I'd be out running and training and then I
would restrict myself and only eat this much for breakfast.
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And then you think, oh, well, I've done less than her,
so I shouldn't be eating as much as her. I
will eat less than that, and I should go out
for an hour walk to compensate for it. You know,
like it's just all these things going in your head.
And I think a lot of people do that whether
they're going through, you know, something as severe as an
eating disorder or have chronic fatigue. You know, you look
on social media and you look at this person who's
(05:58):
just been and run twenty k you know run, and
you think, oh, gosh, I haven't done anything today. Maybe
yeah I should be doing that. Or look, they've just
had a really healthy lunch and I just went and
got takeaways, Like no, I feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And it's really hard, I think competition wise, because I
mean it's well documented when you have a bit of competition,
particularly amongst siblings, it can be really positive. And some
of our greatest athletes have had you know, a younger
brother or sister sort of nipping at their heels and
that has helped them achieve greatness. So that I feel like,
and look at you to it very successful sitting here.
(06:33):
So no doubt that competition has probably helped in some
ways and then also ended in other ways. Would you agree, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I think now as we've grown older, it's the competition
is in a much more positive way, whereas back then
it was. Rosa is a smaller build than me. I'm taller,
you know, more musclier than Rosa. No, you're you have
to prove that you're, you know, a slightly bigger build thing, Rosa.
And it just goes to show that every body's body
is so different. Rose is an active relaxer. I have
(07:03):
to actually sleep to relax. And it's not like Rose
was saying, when you see all these things on social
media of people doing this and that, it's just trying
not to let that get to you because everybody is
so different.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Rosy, your situation reminds me so much. I interviewed a
guy called Harry Everel for that We Need to Talk podcast,
and he actually was a runner and his way of
controlling his situation was to restrict his food, and he
felt like the lighter he got, the quicker he got,
and it actually developed into full blown inorexia and he
was at his worst in a psychiatric hospital. He's completely
(07:39):
recovered now, which is amazing. But I'm quite interested in
the process of recovery because sometimes when you get very
deep in restriction of food, because you have to eat
every day to stay alive, it's really hard. It's like
an alcoholic cuts alcohol out of their life right to recover.
If you've got a food issue, you can't do that.
So how did what did it look like when you're
(07:59):
in the sort of throes of your illness and how
did you flip it?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think for me, I never had that person to
talk to who I could relate to and who had
been through a very similar situation that I'd been through
and had come out the other side and been like,
you know, I understand your thoughts and your feelings. I
understand that you want to be a really good runner,
and I understand that there's a particular image that you
want to be. But then also, this is what's happening
(08:26):
to your body, and these are the consequences that can
then lead on to that. But I've you know, this
person's telling me that they've flipped this and this is
where they are at, and this is where their mental
health is now at. So I never had that person
to sit down and have that one on one with
And that's been one big thing that I've wanted to
take away from this experience and this journey that I've
(08:46):
been through, is be that individual that people feel like
they can come and talk to. I think in terms
of recovery as well, you never ever get over it,
like it's something that's always there, but you just learn
to manage your thoughts that come through. I still get
thoughts through like today, and it's been i know, six
(09:06):
or seven years, but I know when they come through,
and I know how to manage them from there.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
What do you mean by thoughts?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So like you could be sitting down and a meal
comes to you and it might be like really big
or have be really fatty, lots of butter or something,
but you know, deep down I love those types of food,
and in my head I'm saying, oh, you don't need that,
and then you know, flipping being aware that that thought's
coming through, and then flipping that thought around to me
(09:33):
like no, I love this type of food. Everything and moderation.
It's not going to damage anything inside of me, you know,
like just sit down and enjoy it and enjoy the
people that you're with. Or it's that whole situation if
you see someone on social media going out for a
run and you think, oh, well, I've only been for
a walk today, like I should have gone for a run,
(09:54):
you know, and it's been like, no, well, actually I
felt really tired when I woke up this morning.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I read something once it was like you give those
thoughts ten seconds, it's like you recognize it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Is it going to do me good right now?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Is it going to do me harm?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It does me harm, you swipe that thought right out
of your head, and if you do that within ten seconds,
then you kind of like forget about it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, So it's a long journey. It doesn't just happen overnight,
and there's relapses that will very likely happen that happened
to me, where you know, I'd be on a really
good pathway and then all of a sudden, I'd go
back to swear one again. But I think it's that
talking for me was really big, and that being aware
of my thoughts and creating actions around what to do
when those thoughts come through my head and writing down
(10:39):
things like what makes me happy? Like I never did
anything that made me happy. It was always well, what
are other people going to think about my you know,
the time that I run this weekend or how many
k's I ran this week, or what my body image
looks like or you know, like all those things. So
it was having a list of things reminding myself like
what makes me? What can I do to fill my
(11:02):
cup up?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Have you had conversations with your parents about this, because
it's quite hard when and I know you've got loving
parents and yet you still struggled at times, and that
must have been quite hard for them to take as
parents who I'm assuming really wanted to be the best
they could be and then to see your child stuffer
like that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I think it's hard when it's someone you know
so well, like your parents, and who know you so
well sometimes and for me, this is what happened. It
didn't work them telling me what to do because I
just didn't listen to them, and I thought that they
didn't understand the situation I was in. You don't know
how I feel. You don't know what it's like to
be an elite runner. You don't know what it's like
(11:42):
to struggle with food and to have a negative mindset
around it. So talking to other people such as an
endocrinologist who I worked really closely with all my sports doctor,
or you know, someone as I'm saying, who's been through
a similar situation. It's just out of your personal life
(12:02):
that you're in all the time, and it's for me,
it was more of a trigger for me to get
out of the situation. That I was in.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
You kind of had to hit rock bottom really to
realize what you were doing.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I think pretty extreme, not having a period for
all those years, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But I didn't realize it. That was the last thing
on my mind. I didn't even know, you know, why
we had periods, because it was just something I was
never interested in. I was always focused on my running,
whereas you know, Mum would have been trying to tell me,
these are why you have periods, These are the importance
of having them and getting them. But yeah, I'm just
falling onto Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, this is the very best of We need to talk.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And what about you, Mago. So while this was going
on with Rosa, tell me about the issues you were having. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
So I went on a World Challenge trip to Costrica
when I was sixteen. So it's like a World Vision
trip where we went over for four weeks and helped
the community and things like that. And I will never
forget I looked in the mirror on the last day
we were there and thought, because we had no mirrors,
we were in you know, the middle of nowhere, and thought,
(13:09):
oh my god, I have lost so much weight. I
didn't know why I didn't understand why, and I got home.
You know that feeling when you've unintentionally lost weight because
you're sick, and a lot of people are saying, oh gosh,
like either you look good or oh you've lost a
lot of weight, and it's like, oh yeah, I know,
like far up, I don't want to know about it.
(13:32):
Kind of quite opposite situation. I never really recovered from
my jet leg. I was always really tired, but then
constantly training with Rosa because again I felt roses run today.
I have to run today. I have to eat exactly
what Rosa eats today. And I was probably sleeping fourteen
fifteen hours a day and with chronic fatigue. I didn't
(13:52):
know I was diagnosed at this point, but it took
me six months to get diagnosed. And I, from what
I understand, that quite a quick diagnosis, like there's nothing
to really diagnose it, and you know, like one day,
I hope it's like a COVID test where it's a
negative or a positive, because every test you do comes
back normal. I was in hospital a couple of times
and everything comes back normal, and you kind of think
(14:14):
you're going crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And I think a lot of people don't get listened
to with the symptoms for what I heard.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Because every second person you say, start.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Sleep.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, if you ask someone how are you, a lot
of people say I'm tired, I'm exhausted, I'm fatigued. You know,
it's it's very common words that get thrown around.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So how did you get diagnosed?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I can't recall how we got onto the specialist, but yeah,
it was six months and I was kind of at
like breaking point, if nothing's wrong, just get you know,
get your shit together. And we went to this children's
specialist and I finally walked out with the diagnosis of
chronic fatigue syndrome. And from that point, I think it's
that relief of being diagnosed with something and I just
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ab slotely hit a wall and I was pretty much
bed ridden for two years. So I'd bought fifty meters
and just be absolutely exhausted for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And how old were you at this point?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I was sixteen.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think the hard thing as well with chronic fatigue
is no one can see it.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, it's an invisible illness, like someone with a broken arm.
You can see they've got a broken arm.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
How do you get it?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
A reason why you get it or is it luck
of the door.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It can be, Yeah, it can be brought on from
lots of different things. From my understanding, again, I'm not
one hundred percent clued up on this stuff. But for me,
they think I had glandular fever kind of in my
system a few months before I went overseas, and they
think I just overdid it. Like if you have glande
and you don't rest, then you can't get chronic fatigue.
(15:48):
But a lot of people get it virally, which they
also think I caught something overseas. But yeah, it's a
very kind of unknown illness which makes it really difficult.
And because I was yeah, twelve and thirteen, you know,
party years, I just kind of fell off the face
of the earth with a lot of my friends.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And what did you miss? Because that is it's you know,
leadership opportunities, it's balls, it's trips away for sports teams,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, So again with my sport, you know, I played hockey,
did athletics, had to stop all of that, And I
feel like chronic fatigue it's getting diagnosed more and more now,
which is amazing. You hear a lot about it more,
but back then it wasn't really talked about, so a
lot of people again didn't understand, like, oh, I'm tired too, well,
I'm fatigued too, I've got brain fog too. But it's
(16:36):
just it's so different. The way I describe it as
like having COVID but ten times worse.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, so you were like that for two years? Yeah,
how do you fix chronic fatigue? How do you get
treated for it?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So I was, so I was really bad for two years.
I was bedridden for two years. And then it was
it still was like with me quite a lot. I
could do half days at school or you know, I
really had to pick an.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Choose what I did.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
But I had five years of health professionals here telling
me there was nothing I could do. It was just
a rest and get over its situation, because again there's
not much. There's not a magic pearl to take for
chronic fatigue. And then Rose and I we went over
to the States. Rosa was competing and I'd finished school
and didn't really know what I wanted to do. So
we went over to the States for a few months.
(17:22):
And you know how you just come across people randomly
and they like really kind of fit what you need
at that point, And she said, have you read this
book called The Body Ecology Diet? And I said, no,
I haven't. I always get reluctant recommending this book because
we don't do diets. It it's like a medical treatment
for chronic fatigue, let's say, And it's where you cut
(17:43):
out all forms of carbs and sugars. So we essentially
found out that I had a big fungal overgrowth in
my stomach, so it was feeding off carbs and sugars,
which was what I was craving, and it was taking
all of my energy.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How did you find out that you had the bungle overgrowth?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
This book is specifically for chronic fatigue or gut health. Ye,
So I mean read it as you will everybody to themselves.
But I was kind of at a point there where
I was like, I'm going to try anything I can,
and I did this diet and within three months my
chronic fatigue had pretty much disappeared.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Wow. Yeah, so you cut carbohydrates and sugars.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, So it's a very intensive kind of thing, again,
like a medical treatment. They recommend you don't do anything
because you're not eating properly. Yes, and yeah, so cut
out all forms of carbs and sugars. It was like
really strict for a month, and then you could have
pseudo grains which is like millet and buckwheat and things
for the last two months, but no fruits like you
(18:46):
have berries and things like that. But yeah, it was
It was amazing. And that's where my passion for food
came in because I was never into food, but I
think from then I realized the importance of fruits and
vegetables and just eating good ingredients. It wasn't expensive specialists,
it wasn't expensive treatments, it was simply just eating.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well. Yeah, incredible backstories for both of you. At what
point so that sparked your passion for food? But at
what point did you decide let's make this into a
business and.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You know, we were best friends again when.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You stop competing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It got to we were over in the States and
Margot was doing all this things with her chronic fatigue
and doing that diet that she's just been talking about.
I was still competing at that time, but I had
been through. I was on my road to recovery. And
we got home and we started doing a workshop where
we did workshops based out of mum and Dad's kitchen,
(19:44):
educating people on how to cook with seasonal produce and
how to cook in a cost effective way. And that's
where our passion kind of grew. I did a degree
in human nutrition, so that was a big part of
my recovery as well. I was actually learning about the
importance food and why we need food and white to
fuel our bodies with the right foods as well. So
(20:05):
it kind of literally just grew from there. And I mean,
Marg and I we're very big at getting ourselves out
there and talking to people and meeting new people, and
I think that's been a big part of the growth
of our brand or Sisters, is that. And yeah, I
think where we've had a really good niche. What was
a niche at the beginning when we started, but now
(20:25):
it is very mainstream. But we've still got quite a
unique brand and the fact that we welcome all leaders
into our you know, using our cookbooks, using our apps.
We you know, cover diet trees, we cover all sorts
of things seasonality, whether you're based in the USA, whether
you're based in New Zealand, like anyone can use our
recipes at any times.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Having that plant forward mentality. We aren't telling you to
cut out anything, which when we first started, a lot
of that was diets, and diets are still a big thing,
but for us, diets not in our okay, because we
believe in everything in moderation. But if you plant ford
and you focus mostly on those fruits and vegetables, then
you're improving your gut health and add me on the side,
(21:09):
or have that croissant on the Saturday at the market,
you know. But having that plant forward mindset I think
was really refreshing for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So people listening to this that might want to give
their diet, I won't say diet, the healthy lifestyle and overhaul.
What would be the first step? I know you were
saying plant forward, What does that mean? Like what could
people do right now to try and get themselves in
a better space.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
A lot of people the first thing they think about
when they think of what's for dinner is, oh, we've
got chicken in the freezer, We've got steak in the fridge,
or might have salmon tonight.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Whereas we like to challenge.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
People's perceptions and get them to start with the plants first.
So the fruits and vegetables. What have I got in
my fridge right now, or what's cheap at the produce store. Oh,
I've got a pump and I'm going to make a
salad based around that, and then we may have some
chicken on the side. So it's kind of flipping that
mindset around how you start a meal and go to
the fridge or pantry first and see what you have
(22:07):
and make something yummy that's full of textures. And I
think when people start with the meat, they tend to
go with a boring surfry because the vegie's the last minute,
boring side thing, Whereas when you put your energy or
your thought process into the vegetable first, you tend to
create something a lot more exciting.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I think as well, Like you know, everyone's working, everyone's busy,
everyone's time poor, and that's the main excuse of not
eating a healthy life or not having a healthy lifestyle.
Don't have time for exercise, I don't have time to
prepare food, healthy nutritious food, or so I gone by
my lunch. So we're really big on meal prepping. So
on a Sunday or whatever day works for you, whether
(22:45):
it's a Monday, afternoon or a Tuesday morning whatever, like,
make a big batch of your breakfast and then you've
got it sorted for the whole week. Make a salad
for your lunch, or a curry or a soup and
then you can just reheat it when you're at work
and a snack want to as well as make it,
put it in your freezer and then you don't have
to think about it again.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
We call it being intelligently lazy.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's a great idea. Food prepping for food is everything, yea,
And I think be controlled.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
And I always say if it's you know, if something's
a priority for you, you will make the time to
do it.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
We've timed ourselves, meaning weekends in a row, forty five
minutes for breakfast, a lunch and a snack on a
Sunday for the week.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It's all it takes forty five yep. Pretty good. Your
next cookbook, which you are working away on, due to
be released around September, just in time for Christmas. What
is this next book and where did the inspo come from?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
We're so excited for this book. Fifth book. It's called
More Salad, so second sequel on from Salad.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I've got salad the book and it's great. By the way,
they genuinely love it. You'll love this one even more. So,
what is more of the salad that I can expressed?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
More new salads? No, we've got a really good section
in there as well, but it's just this. Yeah, well,
salad was such a success and everyone loved that whole
idea of as Mike was saying, starting your meal with
your plants, and that's just a really easy way to
do that through salads. And you can still have salads
and winter just by using you know, winter produce like
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your root view cheese and silver beate and kale and
all those things. But it's yeah, it's just salads.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's a workshop on a page.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So we've taken it a step further for you because
we always encourage people to use a recipe as a
guideline and use what in season, use what you have
have at home, like Rosas just said. So there's a
swap on each recipe, so ingredients swaps. There's a top
tip on every recipe, like freeze your ginger because it's
much easier to grate, and then there's a delicious with
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so a salad. It goes well within the book and
then a protein amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, guys, I can't wait to see your next book.
I love looking at them as well. They always sit
on my menu stand because they were always so And
thank you for sharing so much about your backstory. I
love the fact that you are friends again. But it's
kind of refreshing to have two sisters say, you know,
we didn't always see eye to eye, because quite often
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in a PR exercise, you'll be like, oh, we're such
great friends. We always have been, so thanks for being
so honest and sharing your stories today.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, we hope that it can inspire some others who
are going through the same thing, you know, like Rosa
was saying, we open books and we just want to
share our stories and help motivate and inspire others.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You're listening to the very best of We Need to
Talk twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Hello, welcome to We Need to Talk. Tutorials or how
to guides. They are massive when it comes to social media,
and none more so than make up tutorials. You have
your everyday makeup artists doing them, and lots of the
stars are dabbling now too. Around a grande Lady Gaga,
she recently copped a bit of flak for putting her
conceala on wrong. Apparently, being able to do great makee
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cup is empowering. It's the lift that so many of
us need when we're having a blair day and what
to feel good. It's also handy if you're a parent,
as I've recently found out, for things like school balls
or theater productions. I had a real lineup and I'm
not even an expert. So today I've invited Lisa Matson
to give us all the best information. Lisa is arguably
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New Zealand's best makeup artist. She does the makeup for
TV's Top Talent. She does cover girls of magazines. International
superstars that she has made up include Adriana Lima, Eva Longoria, Usher,
and Quentin Tarantino. Lisa, what was it like like doing
these people? You because it's an intimate process putting on
someone's makeup, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
It is, And lucky for me, they were all really
amazing people, very very kind and patient, and it is
a little bit nerve racking, but also they're just real people,
and of course been in someone's personal space like that,
people tend to open up a lot more too, and
then they get really relaxed and really comfortable with you.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
And you know, and everyone has different tastes, so you know,
and I just listen to what they want and give
them what they want and have a good chat and
just hang out and yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Actually.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
So some of those starts, particularly the women I'm interested in,
the Eva Longoria is, the Adriana Lima's. So they sit
down in the chair, Yes, did they give you a
prescription of what they wanted before or did they just
tell you when they sat down.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
No, So when they sit down, and like any client,
they will just say, oh, this is the kind of
look they want. Sometimes they might bring something up even
on their phone that they just had, but otherwise, you know,
obviously they're trusting in you. It's a lot harder for
them when they come into a place like New Zealand
and you know, they don't know you, they don't know
their skill levels or the makeup artists here, so you
always find that they start off a little bit, you.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Know, potentially nervous.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So like when I did Eva Longoria, I actually did
her over two days, so the first day she was
a little she gave quite a lot of instruction and
one of the things always laugh, She says, Texan, I
was wearing makeup from the age of four and for.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Us more and more so she go to light.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
No, she likes heavier, but it has to be perfectly
blended and stuff like that. But of course, you know,
she looks about fourteen in real life. She had the
most incredible, credible skin, and so Adriana. Her skin is
just absolutely divide like a makeup by his dream. But
she's a lot more relaxed. She just she was so
sweet and just you know, do what you know, do
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what if this is what I like? I just like
a soft eye and a bright lap and just nice skin.
And she just left you to it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You know, she probably doesn't need a lot of makeup.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
She supermod doesn't need a lot of makeup. No, she
definitely doesn't. She Yeah, she was one of the most
kindest and sweetest people I've met.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Actually, that's really nice because she came here recently at
least talk about social media, because, as I said in
my intro, a lot of trends coming out on social
and I think that makes people every day, people like
me think, oh I could maybe give that a go.
Have you seen that phenomenon with social media, especially for
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products that people get recommended. Have you seen it explode?
And it must be weird when you're a makeup artist
in that injury industry and then everyone's wanting to do it.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Well, I feel like everybody uses it, even I will
use it for the same thing. So I will go
to and look at some of my favorite makeup artists
whose work or finishing I love and just see what
their latest products are using. It's a lot faster than
for me going in and testing everything, and so I
trust them, you know. And there's always that element of
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course that someone is selling a product because they're getting
sponsored for or can paid to do so, but they
still have to use it, and so I still get
to see what it looks like and make.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That yeah, it wouldn't sell, right.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
So I mean, obviously the makeup industry is huge because
every man is pretty much has now got their own
makeup range, and some of those are just you know,
white labeled, where they just get product already made and
put their name on it and products so you know,
you can be buying the same thing that someone else has,
or you get people that put on the money and
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have things made, you know, from scratch, but there's so much.
They're so excessive that it's almost overwhelming, I think. So,
you know, with social media, you do get to just
instead of having to think about it, you just get
to watch someone and go, I love that look, I
love how that finish. I'm just going to get that.
And so it's you know, it's booming. It's a booming
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business makeup industry.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And for all ages as well. And I know this
because I look at my eleven year old daughter and
she's starting to want to go to Mecca and she
does theater, so she wears makeup for that. And then
by the same token, my sixty seven year old mother
will send me reels on Instagram of makeup looks she
thinks I should try, but you've nailed it. There are
a lot. So who are the people that you follow?
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I'd be quite interested to know.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Well, it's funny enough.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I follow a kind of a range of I have
a lot of really amazing artists of who at the
top end of like the fashion industry, you know, so
a lot of their makeups for me fashion magazines, and
they could be everything from no makeup makeup to something
slightly evant gard so, you know, not necessarily would be
a makeup that people wear, But for me, the artistic
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side of it, a creativity of it, you know, just
like the perfect graphic lines and whatever and the colors
that they use is what excites me. But for a
everyday woman that may not be a lock they have.
So I have a kind of a few different people
that I follow for different reasons, and they're at the
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top of their game.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
For there.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
There's one woman who name is Her Instagram label was
Veronica Rito Makeup Yep. She's a forty six year old
makeup artists and she does amazing makeup on So she's
an older woman, she's got a incredible skin, but she
does so many different makeup looks and a lot of
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it she's got. You know, one of the things when
you're looking at people's makeup is that obviously they have
the one eye shape. If you don't have that eye shape,
it's very hard to actually be able to replicate it themselves.
You know, you really need to try and find makeup
artists or people doing it whose makeup you're like, who's
got a very similar eye shape, which means that it's
almost you get the exact same look if you can
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copy that right. So, she but she loves color and
she is unafraid, and she uses so many different brands
that you really get a good insight that you know,
some of them are less expensive brands, some of them
are the high end brands, and you can see that
half the time they do just as good a job
as a lower end to the high end. But she's
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quite amazing to watch, and she's so fearless with color,
and yet she looks beautiful and flawless every time.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Okay, so the Veronica Reach.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Makeup, So you know, for for a older woman, I
think she's a good person to watch just and get confident.
So well, if she can wear that and she looks great,
so can I. You know, have fun. Makeup should be
having fun. You want to beautiful, but you just want
have fun. And then I watch. I also follow at
Linda Hallberg. Now she's a German makeup artist, and what
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I love about her is just the range of makeup
locks she does and it's just everything.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
So if you really want to.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Get a vast, fast, fast, vast range of makeup locks
and ideas, then she'd be the one to watch.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
And then you've got hung go, hang on.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
I'm just I love it when I can't read van go.
So it's hung hung van Go. Sorry, so it's h
u n g v A n n g O. Now
he's an American celebrity makeup artist, so you'll get But
he does amazing videos, very clear tutorials showing, you know,
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taking his time, showing the makeups he's used, how he's
applied it. And again, you know a lot of the
celebrities you see on Recover, their makeup is actually quite simple.
You know, it's not ott. So it's probably more wearable
for most women, young or old to watch his tutorials
and look beautiful and you know, and also get to
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see all the product ranges he's showcasing.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And that's the other thing that's so good about it
right now, this is the product side. Yes, in terms
of latest trends, Yes, you are doing makeup daily. You know,
you're up at TV. Indeed, look you have to do
that for on screen, but you're also doing magazines. You're
watching these What would you say heading into I mean,
I don't like to say where in autumn yet h
autumn winter?
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Well, it's it's like i'd kind of almost say twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
It's it's not the same.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
As it used to be where you used to watch
magazine or catwalk and have set trends. Now it's kind
of whatever you want to wear, and depending on the
influencer or the celebrity and their trends.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
It will change.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
So we can I could sit there and say, well,
here's all the locks, and I will tell you what
is supposedly, but that could change and a drop of
a hat, depending on what you know. Kim Kardashian might
just change what do you make about his stars? And
then there, you know, the lock that I just talked
about gone. And that's that's how fast social media, make up,
locks and trends are. And you know, and the different
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people that influence the locks that we have, which are
as you say, celebrities and models and stuff like that.
So at the moment, it's it's sheer skin, you know,
that beautiful glowy skin, light makeup, low weight makeup, so
you kind of want to favor you know, your glowy foundations,
your highlighters, and also prep for so important so you
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want you know, hydrating primers to start with, and moisture
is the same. Obviously, skin work is so important because
you have foundation is what you know. Your skin is
what you see most, so you really important to save
up with good prep. And I'll just say a little secret.
You know, one of those is to make sure your
skin is damp when you ply your moisturizer. That's one
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of the most important things. But following on through those trends,
pops of color with blush, you know, sort of your peachy,
pinky blush, and you know you can go a little
bit stronger, you know, don't be afraid of it.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Just make sure it's well blended.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Soft brows soft, you know, fluffy brows, nothing too stuck
down and nothing too heavy, so you want to keep
brows quite light. Same with lashes, nothing overly heavy again,
just sort of feathery flattery eyelashes, but.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Just more towards the natural end of the lock.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
And then with eyeshadow colors, you've got greens, blues, and plums.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
You've also got different finishes.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
You've got your map sort of frosting eyeshadows, you know,
which are probably better on the.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Younger I'm scared of frost.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
And then you've got chromes you know where they're monitor durochromes.
We we've got a whole lot of different colors in them,
and that reflect and so you know, so you've still
got the colors with the green, the blue, and the
plum sort of puropy plums are definitely really big, probably
more on the deeper side than the brighter side.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
And what else.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
And then you've got so you've got this little sort
of strawberry strawberry girl makeup lock that sort of Hailey
Beaver's kicked off and a lot of people are following
that tree.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
And that's almost a no makeup makeup lock and you
and it's a poper colors. That's really simple eyed. You know,
you just put my scarre just brush your brows and
you're using little like a strawberry tint on your cheeks
and lips with a bit of gloss. So it's just
that natural. But you know, that sort of.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Pretty girly.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
And funny thing, that whole strawberry be stung lip has
been something that I've always liked to do for years,
feel like for thirty years, that whole lock, that fresh
pretty lock. Now it's in and it's in, but it's
kind of I feel like it's always but it's just
you know, again, depending who puts it on, it becomes
bigger than Texas And that's a really big trend at
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the moment.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So you've given us the tip around having damp skin
before you moisturize. What else have you got for us?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Well? I also, you know, with conturing.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
I never used to be big into content, but I
pretty much do that all the time with all my
clients now. But I always use a nice bronzer that's
just you know, not too dark, nothing heavy heavy. Controuring
is again not really a trend for this year.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
What is the point of controing, Well, it just.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Gives more shape. So it adds, you know, more depth
to your cheap boat. And so maybe if you don't
have high cheap bones or just make it look like
I love So it's adding shadows and reshaping your face
to give it a bit more of shape. So if
you've got a wider face, you might might make it
look you know, you sort of you tease it into
looking like it's a little bit slimmer, and especially when
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you photograph. And I think that's the thing with contra
and why it's become so big is because everything's on photographs.
You know, in real life, if it's overly done, obviously
it doesn't actually look that good, doesn't transition.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
But on a.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Photograph, which is why how people live these days is
self east or photographing you look pretty good.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I feel like this is important for me to say
that content is my favorite thing that has done on
me when I've been on cover of magazines, because it
gives you, I don't know, it just gives your face.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
It just gives it a lot more dimension, yes, right, so,
and that's the same with highlighter. So using highlighter the
same in the in the areas you know, cheap bones,
middle of the nose that will actually do the same.
So that just enhances by adding light and areas that
you want and also drawing attention to the enter of
your face as well. So yes, definitely contruring and just
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using a bronzing powder that's like about three or four
shades darker than a skin tone. That just adds a
little something and just you know, and do it subtly
in the areas that you want to slim down. That's
how you can kind of work it out.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
And then the other thing for me that is miscaa
and the application of mascara. And and for me, I
always start at the roots and I move my mascara
wand side to side, and that actually helps coat the
lash sort of top and bottom. And in that wiggly
moment motion, I also then fan. So a lot of
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times people might do the wiggle or they just scoop up,
you know, the mascara wand and what happens they don't
actually fan their lashes out. Ultimately, you want them to
look fanned, so you've got to brush them up through
the middle. And then when you brush them, you've got
to brush the corners out towards you know, in a nose,
and the old lashes out towards the temple. So you
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actually wiggling and fanning your lashes at the same time.
So you've got that beautiful spread and none of them
is sort of clumping together.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh it makes a difference if you ever had clumped
muscara or they look short, it's probably in your technique
if you've got a good mascara.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Yes, yes, And so I'm back in the day. I
remember going into when I used to be Lorel's makeup director.
I went into Farmers and I had a girl come
up to me and I just don't been doing some
dimaged makeup demonstrations there and this girl coming said, I
just bought this muscara and she goes and it doesn't work,
it doesn't do what it says, And I said, can
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I just apply it to your one of your eyes?
Speaker 5 (41:43):
And then she was like, oh wow.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Okay, And it was just a technique, so you know,
obviously it did exactly what it was meant to do,
but she was never doing it in the correct technique
and the difference was quite amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
We need to talk returns for twenty twenty five on
January twenty seventh, but now back to the very best
of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What would be some of the biggest mistakes that you see?
And not putting on your mascara is obviously one of them,
because it can look awful when you've got the best
big chunks.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Ye, So for me is for me, it's definitely foundation
because obviously, you know, and having the wrong shade of foundation,
and that happens a lot. And I remember in you know,
in Loreal, when they were selling, when I was working
with them, they were selling the most, the most sold
foundations were pale ones. And yet when I work with clients,
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and I've worked with quite a few different people over
the years, hardly any of them are that pale, so
I already knew that most of them buying the wrong foundation.
Half of that is just how they test it. They
put it onto heavy, it goes a lot darker, they
think it's correct, they go home, they put it on
a lot lighter, and it's too light. So it's very
important to apply or test foundation sheerly the other things. Also,
you want one that matches your declotage. You know, we
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used to be that time where you just match your face.
But in this day and age, everyone's wearing fake you know,
tan on their body, but of course no one's putting
their face. They've actually learned that. So you've got these
little pale faces, so you can't match your face. It's
really important to match it to your chest, so you
need to go a little bit darker, and then you
balance it out with a light of concellatory. They're s
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center under the eyes, down the noise and stuff like that,
a little mini contouring, but so it's color. It's also
the thickness of product.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
And the blending.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
I think you could really wear any color as long
as it suits you, even bright one that might scare you,
like a blue.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
But if it's.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
Blended beautifully, it looks good. It's only when things aren't
applied properly and your turn technique. So it's learning techniques.
It's learning how to blend, and that's just practice A
lot of the time, you know, watch someone do it
and then just do it over and over and get
until you've got it. But it's a blending and the heaviness,
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which is what I always aware of.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And I learned that blending process sitting in the TV
ands he'd make up chair for an hour and seeing
how much blending is required. The other thing that I
really took note of, and I want to quess you
on this today, is the eye shadow color. There's best
for different types of eye colors, because you know yourself
when you put on an eyeshadow color, you know the
ones that make them pop and the ones that don't.
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So is there a general rule of thumb?
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Well, okay, we'll start with purple based eyeshadows and also
warm or red based browns, so those shades are technically
considered universal. So every eye color, So if you're stuck.
Every eye color will suit those shades.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Purples and warmy browns, warm.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Browns, you know, sort of you ready browns.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Otherwise, what you want is almost a color that contrasts
with your eyes. To think about your skin tone, and
you also think about what you're wearing, and in their
regard what you wear, what suits your skin is also
a really good indication of probably what's going to suit
the colors on your eyes. Ultimately, it's the colors that
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are the match your eyes. So if you're wearing green,
you've got green eyes. If you're wearing blue and you've
got blue eyes, that's always not that flattering because sometimes
that will just become about your eyeshadow and ultimately your
eyes kind of fade away. So if you're going to
do colors that are similar to your eye shade, then
you want to go with ones that are deeper than
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your eye color. So if you go brighter, then all
of sudden, your eyes will kind of disappear and your
eyeshadow will be the thing that stands out. But you
want colors that pop, and like you said, the blues,
the warmer colors, and with green or blue eyes particularly,
they are quite amazing and brown eyes again, warm brown's,
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ashy brown's.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Oh yeah, but I feel.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
Like there's definitely more of a trend to warmer tones
than the cooler tones these days as well.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And I think it's important to point out that, you know,
you talk about brown, brown has a million different shades
exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
So you've got your call and you've got your warm,
and you'll find when you put things on. You know,
if you've got a brown juicy, is it one with
an orange bas or is it one with a cool base?
You know, and you can look at it like that
and ultimately you just try it on against your skin.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
What about lips, because I remember you telling me, actually
this is possibly fifteen years ago, you either go big
on your eyes or your lip. Is still the case now.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
Yes, yes, yes, I mean you can have a beautiful
graphic eye and do a bold lip, and you can
have a soft smoky eye even with it in a
rim dark and go for a bright eye.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
But it's just.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
You want to do one or the other. You know,
you can't go for a heavy smell smoky eye and
a bright lip. I mean you could if you want to,
but you have to have the personality. Maybe the way
what you.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Wear, Yeah, what are you wearing that one? Off?
Speaker 6 (47:08):
But it just what it just means is that your
faces this too much and you want to be able
to draw attention to one of your features over the other.
So like a smoky eye you could do. You know,
you do your nudes. Your nudes are always always going
to be fashionable. You know, you can't go wrong with
the nude. Or if you want to bring a red on,
you might go for a red a tinted gloss, you know,
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instead of something bright. But you know, for twenty twenty four,
your reds are in big red lipsticks are back and
sore like blackberries. Really dark berries are really good for
this year. So for me, I do a softer eye
and highlight that. And again you've got to think about
your lip size and stuff as well, because obviously darker
colors will always highlight your lips. You know, lots so
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many women have full of lips now, whether it's natural
or whether it's help induced case, you know, the dark
or bright lip is really really good, or you just
want to add a bit of fullness to your lip,
you know, you'll just take the outline out further to
be able to wear.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That enhance it. Yeah, all right, I thought we would
finish today with you recommending a couple of your absolute
must have products because we all love that. I love
it because, like you said, I go into Meka and
there's so many different brands and I get confused, what
what do you have for us?
Speaker 6 (48:24):
Okay, Well, there's a couple of things that I use
on myself and having my kit that I just go
back and buy over and over again, and I absolutely adore.
One of those is the Hooter lip pencils. They're just
they'll wind up, but they're so soft and they're so
gorgeous and I absolutely adore them when you get them
from Sephora.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
How do you spell that hooter h u d A
hooter cool? Yes.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
I also love Mike Kevin Aquan Volumeinizing mascara. Another mascara
I use a lot on weddings for anyone that is
bothered with smudging and stuff like that. So this one
is it wraps around the lash and so you get
no smudging and it does not come off and it
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just easily comes off the water when you wash it off.
But it's I use it all the time just as
a savior because even waterproof and scarras for some people
will smudge and stuff. So if you want a mascare
that doesn't smudge or where off the Kevin Aquan.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
And they have too.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
They have a curling one and the Volume one, and
I prefer myself the Volume mascara. It's fantastic cool and
is that mecha also for that's mecca. Okay, okay. My
favorite concealer is still to this day the True Match
Laurel Parish True Match concealers.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
They're really light.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
They have a good sort of bit of highlight in them,
so they're really soft. They're blend well that it gets
stuck in decreases. That's the one I use under eyes
and just in the know the crescent where it's the darkest.
I also use that to highlight the face, so down
the center of the nose, you know, through the cheek
area and temples the middle of the chin I use.
(50:11):
I always use colors, you know, two to three shades
lighter than your foundation base to do that. But they
had still my favorite to this day, nice and soft
and in a new find which I rave about and
constantly giving other makeup artists a link to, is called
(50:32):
bay Brow which is b A b r O w
as in ba haye bay bay brow. Now that is
a brow gel slash wax. And it is one of
the best I have ever used. And it was one
of my favorite makeup artists that was using it. Who
(50:53):
does who is no one for her? Which she's called
Nicky Makeup. Most people would know who she is, and
she's a bread makeup artist and she became the brow Queen,
so she has influenced browse views and that is the
product I see her using all times.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
I thought, hmm, I'm going to get that.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Well, actually it's online and it's actually just that baybrow dot.
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Com babbrow dot com.
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And that product is amazing and it's actually very reasonably
priced and they have you know, you can they send
you a little code so you can you have like
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code out and for every person that buys using your code,
they give you five dollars into your account.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
And so and this product is only thirty five New
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Speaker 2 (51:41):
Oh that's what we done.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I'm pretty sure it.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Was free delivery as well, so it's pretty amazing. And
also you have choices of ones that help with brow growth,
and they've got all the things, all the things to
do with brows.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
On that site.
Speaker 6 (51:55):
So yet that would be probably my most favorite products.
And I also love a mecha gloss, Mecca's own gloss,
I love a glass. They do dinted glosses and I
and they're not sticky. I hate a sticky gloss personally, yep.
But I use them all the time and work in
personally as well. And they have so many little different
tinted shades that quite make a difference and change their
(52:17):
lipstick tone a little bit as well if you want.
But those have been my favorite products at the.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Moment one, two, three four. I love having a top
five Lisa Matton, thank you so much. I'm going to
get all of those products put up on our Instagram
link as well so that you can go back and
start purchasing. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, welcome to We Need to Talk the podcast. Now.
For some of us, food is there simply as fuel.
It gives us energy and allows us to function at
our best. But for most people, me included, there's an
emotional relationship with food and it is so much more
than just fuel. It's complicated and we can have at
times a love hate relationship with it. To talk about
(00:30):
this connection today, we have the two Raw Sisters in
Rosa and Margo Flanagan, who buy their own admissions, say
that food has made them in the past feel guilty, confused, sad, low,
lower and energy, and it has led both of them
to suffer at times from eating disorders alongside other health conditions.
These days, the sisters are both in great places. They've
(00:52):
produced several top selling cookbooks, they have their own app,
they run cooking classes, and you're currently Ladies on tour
going around the country talking to people. You've got a
huge following and it's been amazing to witness that over
the last few years. But I want to know about
your connection with food that led you to today. So
(01:14):
perhaps rosa if you start with your journey.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, of course. So I was an elite athlete for
about eight years, and over my time as an athlete,
I got very obsessed with my results and my training,
which then led to an eating disorder. It wasn't necessarily
led on by me being obsessed with food. It was
more the training side, the body image side of things,
(01:38):
which then led me to restrict on what I was eating.
And for me, at the start, I was really oblivious
to the whole situation. In my eyes, I thought I
was doing a good thing for myself and my running
and my body image and being this ideal runner that
you know, all my fans and supporters looked up to.
And it got to a point where my doctor started
(02:00):
noticing the you know, the massive changes in my body
shape and size, and I got diagnosed with a condition
called REDESS, which stands for relative energy deficiency in sports.
So it's a combination of amin area. So I didn't
get my period until I was twenty one, low bone density,
so I had the bones of a seventy year old
at about twenty years old, and then I just had
(02:21):
low energy availability, which is quite similar to chronic fatigue.
But probably not as severe as chronic fatigue. So I
was in a really deep dark spot in terms of
I was going really well with my running, but I
literally had no energy. All I put my energy towards
was my running and my training, and I cut out
(02:42):
everything else. Family, time, time with friends, school, all those things.
And I mean, at the age of nineteen to twenty one,
you know, there you're the fun, exciting times where you
meet people and you you know, go out with your friends.
But I completely missed that whole period of my life
because I was so obsessed around what I was eating
and my running pretty much. And I don't really know
(03:06):
the like the moment where I said to myself, I
have to make a change. I think it was just
a combination of my doctors telling me, you know, the
current situation I was in. I did go through a
few doctors because I think it's really important to have
that solid relationship with that person who is trying to
(03:28):
tell you your current situation and where it could potentially
lead to in a negative but then also if you
flip the situation that you're in, where it could lead
to in a positive way as well. So I really
trusted the person that I was working with, which kind
of made me felck a switch and be like, well,
if I keep going the way that I'm going, I'm
going to have some quite severe side effects that are
(03:50):
going to affect me immediately and then in the long
term as well, like having kids and all those things.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So, yeah, what was it like for you, Margo watching
this happen with Rosa? Did you recognize that she had
an issue?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I think it was really hard to watch Mum because
I know mum obviously mum and daughter relationships. Seeing Rosa
go through that was really really hard for Mum. And
I was going through my own issues at the time
as well, so I kind of wasn't really seeing Rosa,
but then I was. We were very competitive and we
(04:24):
really egged each other on in quite a negative way
that really excelled our health issues. I would say, would
you agree with that? Yeah, very very stubborn. This one
still is. But got a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
No, you were.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Extremely dedicated to your sport and that was all you
had time for.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So what were you competing over then? Because it was
sport your thing too.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, sport was my thing, but Rosa isn't natural at sport.
And I was good at sport, but I was always
kind of on the reserve table for the Canterbury team,
or you know, I was never in the team.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Rosa was always there.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
And I think with me with my chronic fatigue, that
was kind of lingering in the background, and I always
got injured and you know, I had stress fractures and
tore my coat off the tendon and all these things
that stopped me from doing my sport.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I think a big thing as well was the body
image side of things that you looked at me as
your older sister, and I couldn't be smaller than you,
and you couldn't have bigger boobs than me and be
more developed as a female than me. You know, it
was something that you would compare to all the time.
Like I'd be out running and training and then I
would restrict myself and only eat this much for breakfast.
(05:36):
And then you think, oh, well, I've done less than her,
so I shouldn't be eating as much as her. I
will eat less than that, and I should go out
for an hour walk to compensate for it. You know,
like it's just all these things going in your head.
And I think a lot of people do that whether
they're going through, you know, something as severe as an
eating disorder or have chronic fatigue. You know, you look
on social media and you look at this person who's
(05:58):
just been and run twenty k you know run, and
you think, oh, gosh, I haven't done anything today. Maybe
yeah I should be doing that. Or look, they've just
had a really healthy lunch and I just went and
got takeaways, Like no, I feel guilty.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And it's really hard, I think competition wise, because I
mean it's well documented when you have a bit of competition,
particularly amongst siblings, it can be really positive. And some
of our greatest athletes have had you know, a younger
brother or sister sort of nipping at their heels and
that has helped them achieve greatness. So that I feel like,
and look at you to it very successful sitting here.
(06:33):
So no doubt that competition has probably helped in some
ways and then also ended in other ways. Would you agree, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I think now as we've grown older, it's the competition
is in a much more positive way, whereas back then
it was. Rosa is a smaller build than me. I'm taller,
you know, more musclier than Rosa. No, you're you have
to prove that you're, you know, a slightly bigger build thing, Rosa.
And it just goes to show that every body's body
is so different. Rose is an active relaxer. I have
(07:03):
to actually sleep to relax. And it's not like Rose
was saying, when you see all these things on social
media of people doing this and that, it's just trying
not to let that get to you because everybody is
so different.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Rosy, your situation reminds me so much. I interviewed a
guy called Harry Everel for that We Need to Talk podcast,
and he actually was a runner and his way of
controlling his situation was to restrict his food, and he
felt like the lighter he got, the quicker he got,
and it actually developed into full blown inorexia and he
was at his worst in a psychiatric hospital. He's completely
(07:39):
recovered now, which is amazing. But I'm quite interested in
the process of recovery because sometimes when you get very
deep in restriction of food, because you have to eat
every day to stay alive, it's really hard. It's like
an alcoholic cuts alcohol out of their life right to recover.
If you've got a food issue, you can't do that.
So how did what did it look like when you're
(07:59):
in the sort of throes of your illness and how
did you flip it?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think for me, I never had that person to
talk to who I could relate to and who had
been through a very similar situation that I'd been through
and had come out the other side and been like,
you know, I understand your thoughts and your feelings. I
understand that you want to be a really good runner,
and I understand that there's a particular image that you
want to be. But then also, this is what's happening
(08:26):
to your body, and these are the consequences that can
then lead on to that. But I've you know, this
person's telling me that they've flipped this and this is
where they are at, and this is where their mental
health is now at. So I never had that person
to sit down and have that one on one with
And that's been one big thing that I've wanted to
take away from this experience and this journey that I've
(08:46):
been through, is be that individual that people feel like
they can come and talk to. I think in terms
of recovery as well, you never ever get over it,
like it's something that's always there, but you just learn
to manage your thoughts that come through. I still get
thoughts through like today, and it's been i know, six
(09:06):
or seven years, but I know when they come through,
and I know how to manage them from there.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
What do you mean by thoughts?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
So like you could be sitting down and a meal
comes to you and it might be like really big
or have be really fatty, lots of butter or something,
but you know, deep down I love those types of food,
and in my head I'm saying, oh, you don't need that,
and then you know, flipping being aware that that thought's
coming through, and then flipping that thought around to me
(09:33):
like no, I love this type of food. Everything and moderation.
It's not going to damage anything inside of me, you know,
like just sit down and enjoy it and enjoy the
people that you're with. Or it's that whole situation if
you see someone on social media going out for a
run and you think, oh, well, I've only been for
a walk today, like I should have gone for a run,
(09:54):
you know, and it's been like, no, well, actually I
felt really tired when I woke up this morning.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I read something once it was like you give those
thoughts ten seconds, it's like you recognize it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Is it going to do me good right now?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Is it going to do me harm?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It does me harm, you swipe that thought right out
of your head, and if you do that within ten seconds,
then you kind of like forget about it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, So it's a long journey. It doesn't just happen overnight,
and there's relapses that will very likely happen that happened
to me, where you know, I'd be on a really
good pathway and then all of a sudden, I'd go
back to swear one again. But I think it's that
talking for me was really big, and that being aware
of my thoughts and creating actions around what to do
when those thoughts come through my head and writing down
(10:39):
things like what makes me happy? Like I never did
anything that made me happy. It was always well, what
are other people going to think about my you know,
the time that I run this weekend or how many
k's I ran this week, or what my body image
looks like or you know, like all those things. So
it was having a list of things reminding myself like
what makes me? What can I do to fill my
(11:02):
cup up?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Have you had conversations with your parents about this, because
it's quite hard when and I know you've got loving
parents and yet you still struggled at times, and that
must have been quite hard for them to take as
parents who I'm assuming really wanted to be the best
they could be and then to see your child stuffer
like that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I think it's hard when it's someone you know
so well, like your parents, and who know you so
well sometimes and for me, this is what happened. It
didn't work them telling me what to do because I
just didn't listen to them, and I thought that they
didn't understand the situation I was in. You don't know
how I feel. You don't know what it's like to
be an elite runner. You don't know what it's like
(11:42):
to struggle with food and to have a negative mindset
around it. So talking to other people such as an
endocrinologist who I worked really closely with all my sports doctor,
or you know, someone as I'm saying, who's been through
a similar situation. It's just out of your personal life
(12:02):
that you're in all the time, and it's for me,
it was more of a trigger for me to get
out of the situation. That I was in.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
You kind of had to hit rock bottom really to
realize what you were doing.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I think pretty extreme, not having a period for
all those years, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But I didn't realize it. That was the last thing
on my mind. I didn't even know, you know, why
we had periods, because it was just something I was
never interested in. I was always focused on my running,
whereas you know, Mum would have been trying to tell me,
these are why you have periods, These are the importance
of having them and getting them. But yeah, I'm just
falling onto Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, this is the very best of We need to talk.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And what about you, Mago. So while this was going
on with Rosa, tell me about the issues you were having. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
So I went on a World Challenge trip to Costrica
when I was sixteen. So it's like a World Vision
trip where we went over for four weeks and helped
the community and things like that. And I will never
forget I looked in the mirror on the last day
we were there and thought, because we had no mirrors,
we were in you know, the middle of nowhere, and thought,
(13:09):
oh my god, I have lost so much weight. I
didn't know why I didn't understand why, and I got home.
You know that feeling when you've unintentionally lost weight because
you're sick, and a lot of people are saying, oh gosh,
like either you look good or oh you've lost a
lot of weight, and it's like, oh yeah, I know,
like far up, I don't want to know about it.
(13:32):
Kind of quite opposite situation. I never really recovered from
my jet leg. I was always really tired, but then
constantly training with Rosa because again I felt roses run today.
I have to run today. I have to eat exactly
what Rosa eats today. And I was probably sleeping fourteen
fifteen hours a day and with chronic fatigue. I didn't
(13:52):
know I was diagnosed at this point, but it took
me six months to get diagnosed. And I, from what
I understand, that quite a quick diagnosis, like there's nothing
to really diagnose it, and you know, like one day,
I hope it's like a COVID test where it's a
negative or a positive, because every test you do comes
back normal. I was in hospital a couple of times
and everything comes back normal, and you kind of think
(14:14):
you're going crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And I think a lot of people don't get listened
to with the symptoms for what I heard.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Because every second person you say, start.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Sleep.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, if you ask someone how are you, a lot
of people say I'm tired, I'm exhausted, I'm fatigued. You know,
it's it's very common words that get thrown around.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So how did you get diagnosed?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
I can't recall how we got onto the specialist, but yeah,
it was six months and I was kind of at
like breaking point, if nothing's wrong, just get you know,
get your shit together. And we went to this children's
specialist and I finally walked out with the diagnosis of
chronic fatigue syndrome. And from that point, I think it's
that relief of being diagnosed with something and I just
(14:59):
ab slotely hit a wall and I was pretty much
bed ridden for two years. So I'd bought fifty meters
and just be absolutely exhausted for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And how old were you at this point?
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I was sixteen.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I think the hard thing as well with chronic fatigue
is no one can see it.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, it's an invisible illness, like someone with a broken arm.
You can see they've got a broken arm.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
How do you get it?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
A reason why you get it or is it luck
of the door.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It can be, Yeah, it can be brought on from
lots of different things. From my understanding, again, I'm not
one hundred percent clued up on this stuff. But for me,
they think I had glandular fever kind of in my
system a few months before I went overseas, and they
think I just overdid it. Like if you have glande
and you don't rest, then you can't get chronic fatigue.
(15:48):
But a lot of people get it virally, which they
also think I caught something overseas. But yeah, it's a
very kind of unknown illness which makes it really difficult.
And because I was yeah, twelve and thirteen, you know,
party years, I just kind of fell off the face
of the earth with a lot of my friends.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And what did you miss? Because that is it's you know,
leadership opportunities, it's balls, it's trips away for sports teams,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, So again with my sport, you know, I played hockey,
did athletics, had to stop all of that, And I
feel like chronic fatigue it's getting diagnosed more and more now,
which is amazing. You hear a lot about it more,
but back then it wasn't really talked about, so a
lot of people again didn't understand, like, oh, I'm tired too, well,
I'm fatigued too, I've got brain fog too. But it's
(16:36):
just it's so different. The way I describe it as
like having COVID but ten times worse.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, so you were like that for two years? Yeah,
how do you fix chronic fatigue? How do you get
treated for it?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So I was, so I was really bad for two years.
I was bedridden for two years. And then it was
it still was like with me quite a lot. I
could do half days at school or you know, I
really had to pick an.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Choose what I did.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
But I had five years of health professionals here telling
me there was nothing I could do. It was just
a rest and get over its situation, because again there's
not much. There's not a magic pearl to take for
chronic fatigue. And then Rose and I we went over
to the States. Rosa was competing and I'd finished school
and didn't really know what I wanted to do. So
we went over to the States for a few months.
(17:22):
And you know how you just come across people randomly
and they like really kind of fit what you need
at that point, And she said, have you read this
book called The Body Ecology Diet? And I said, no,
I haven't. I always get reluctant recommending this book because
we don't do diets. It it's like a medical treatment
for chronic fatigue, let's say, And it's where you cut
(17:43):
out all forms of carbs and sugars. So we essentially
found out that I had a big fungal overgrowth in
my stomach, so it was feeding off carbs and sugars,
which was what I was craving, and it was taking
all of my energy.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How did you find out that you had the bungle overgrowth?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
This book is specifically for chronic fatigue or gut health. Ye,
So I mean read it as you will everybody to themselves.
But I was kind of at a point there where
I was like, I'm going to try anything I can,
and I did this diet and within three months my
chronic fatigue had pretty much disappeared.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Wow. Yeah, so you cut carbohydrates and sugars.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, So it's a very intensive kind of thing, again,
like a medical treatment. They recommend you don't do anything
because you're not eating properly. Yes, and yeah, so cut
out all forms of carbs and sugars. It was like
really strict for a month, and then you could have
pseudo grains which is like millet and buckwheat and things
for the last two months, but no fruits like you
(18:46):
have berries and things like that. But yeah, it was
It was amazing. And that's where my passion for food
came in because I was never into food, but I
think from then I realized the importance of fruits and
vegetables and just eating good ingredients. It wasn't expensive specialists,
it wasn't expensive treatments, it was simply just eating.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well. Yeah, incredible backstories for both of you. At what
point so that sparked your passion for food? But at
what point did you decide let's make this into a
business and.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
You know, we were best friends again when.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You stop competing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It got to we were over in the States and
Margot was doing all this things with her chronic fatigue
and doing that diet that she's just been talking about.
I was still competing at that time, but I had
been through. I was on my road to recovery. And
we got home and we started doing a workshop where
we did workshops based out of mum and Dad's kitchen,
(19:44):
educating people on how to cook with seasonal produce and
how to cook in a cost effective way. And that's
where our passion kind of grew. I did a degree
in human nutrition, so that was a big part of
my recovery as well. I was actually learning about the
importance food and why we need food and white to
fuel our bodies with the right foods as well. So
(20:05):
it kind of literally just grew from there. And I mean,
Marg and I we're very big at getting ourselves out
there and talking to people and meeting new people, and
I think that's been a big part of the growth
of our brand or Sisters, is that. And yeah, I
think where we've had a really good niche. What was
a niche at the beginning when we started, but now
(20:25):
it is very mainstream. But we've still got quite a
unique brand and the fact that we welcome all leaders
into our you know, using our cookbooks, using our apps.
We you know, cover diet trees, we cover all sorts
of things seasonality, whether you're based in the USA, whether
you're based in New Zealand, like anyone can use our
recipes at any times.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Having that plant forward mentality. We aren't telling you to
cut out anything, which when we first started, a lot
of that was diets, and diets are still a big thing,
but for us, diets not in our okay, because we
believe in everything in moderation. But if you plant ford
and you focus mostly on those fruits and vegetables, then
you're improving your gut health and add me on the side,
(21:09):
or have that croissant on the Saturday at the market,
you know. But having that plant forward mindset I think
was really refreshing for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So people listening to this that might want to give
their diet, I won't say diet, the healthy lifestyle and overhaul.
What would be the first step? I know you were
saying plant forward, What does that mean? Like what could
people do right now to try and get themselves in
a better space.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
A lot of people the first thing they think about
when they think of what's for dinner is, oh, we've
got chicken in the freezer, We've got steak in the fridge,
or might have salmon tonight.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Whereas we like to challenge.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
People's perceptions and get them to start with the plants first.
So the fruits and vegetables. What have I got in
my fridge right now, or what's cheap at the produce store. Oh,
I've got a pump and I'm going to make a
salad based around that, and then we may have some
chicken on the side. So it's kind of flipping that
mindset around how you start a meal and go to
the fridge or pantry first and see what you have
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and make something yummy that's full of textures. And I
think when people start with the meat, they tend to
go with a boring surfry because the vegie's the last minute,
boring side thing, Whereas when you put your energy or
your thought process into the vegetable first, you tend to
create something a lot more exciting.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I think as well, Like you know, everyone's working, everyone's busy,
everyone's time poor, and that's the main excuse of not
eating a healthy life or not having a healthy lifestyle.
Don't have time for exercise, I don't have time to
prepare food, healthy nutritious food, or so I gone by
my lunch. So we're really big on meal prepping. So
on a Sunday or whatever day works for you, whether
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it's a Monday, afternoon or a Tuesday morning whatever, like,
make a big batch of your breakfast and then you've
got it sorted for the whole week. Make a salad
for your lunch, or a curry or a soup and
then you can just reheat it when you're at work
and a snack want to as well as make it,
put it in your freezer and then you don't have
to think about it again.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
We call it being intelligently lazy.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's a great idea. Food prepping for food is everything, yea,
And I think be controlled.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
And I always say if it's you know, if something's
a priority for you, you will make the time to
do it.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
We've timed ourselves, meaning weekends in a row, forty five
minutes for breakfast, a lunch and a snack on a
Sunday for the week.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It's all it takes forty five yep. Pretty good. Your
next cookbook, which you are working away on, due to
be released around September, just in time for Christmas. What
is this next book and where did the inspo come from?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
We're so excited for this book. Fifth book. It's called
More Salad, so second sequel on from Salad.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I've got salad the book and it's great. By the way,
they genuinely love it. You'll love this one even more. So,
what is more of the salad that I can expressed?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
More new salads? No, we've got a really good section
in there as well, but it's just this. Yeah, well,
salad was such a success and everyone loved that whole
idea of as Mike was saying, starting your meal with
your plants, and that's just a really easy way to
do that through salads. And you can still have salads
and winter just by using you know, winter produce like
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your root view cheese and silver beate and kale and
all those things. But it's yeah, it's just salads.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's a workshop on a page.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So we've taken it a step further for you because
we always encourage people to use a recipe as a
guideline and use what in season, use what you have
have at home, like Rosas just said. So there's a
swap on each recipe, so ingredients swaps. There's a top
tip on every recipe, like freeze your ginger because it's
much easier to grate, and then there's a delicious with
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so a salad. It goes well within the book and
then a protein amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, guys, I can't wait to see your next book.
I love looking at them as well. They always sit
on my menu stand because they were always so And
thank you for sharing so much about your backstory. I
love the fact that you are friends again. But it's
kind of refreshing to have two sisters say, you know,
we didn't always see eye to eye, because quite often
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in a PR exercise, you'll be like, oh, we're such
great friends. We always have been, so thanks for being
so honest and sharing your stories today.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, we hope that it can inspire some others who
are going through the same thing, you know, like Rosa
was saying, we open books and we just want to
share our stories and help motivate and inspire others.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You're listening to the very best of We Need to
Talk twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Hello, welcome to We Need to Talk. Tutorials or how
to guides. They are massive when it comes to social media,
and none more so than make up tutorials. You have
your everyday makeup artists doing them, and lots of the
stars are dabbling now too. Around a grande Lady Gaga,
she recently copped a bit of flak for putting her
conceala on wrong. Apparently, being able to do great makee
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cup is empowering. It's the lift that so many of
us need when we're having a blair day and what
to feel good. It's also handy if you're a parent,
as I've recently found out, for things like school balls
or theater productions. I had a real lineup and I'm
not even an expert. So today I've invited Lisa Matson
to give us all the best information. Lisa is arguably
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New Zealand's best makeup artist. She does the makeup for
TV's Top Talent. She does cover girls of magazines. International
superstars that she has made up include Adriana Lima, Eva Longoria, Usher,
and Quentin Tarantino. Lisa, what was it like like doing
these people? You because it's an intimate process putting on
someone's makeup, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
It is, And lucky for me, they were all really
amazing people, very very kind and patient, and it is
a little bit nerve racking, but also they're just real people,
and of course been in someone's personal space like that,
people tend to open up a lot more too, and
then they get really relaxed and really comfortable with you.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
And you know, and everyone has different tastes, so you know,
and I just listen to what they want and give
them what they want and have a good chat and
just hang out and yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Actually.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
So some of those starts, particularly the women I'm interested in,
the Eva Longoria is, the Adriana Lima's. So they sit
down in the chair, Yes, did they give you a
prescription of what they wanted before or did they just
tell you when they sat down.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
No, So when they sit down, and like any client,
they will just say, oh, this is the kind of
look they want. Sometimes they might bring something up even
on their phone that they just had, but otherwise, you know,
obviously they're trusting in you. It's a lot harder for
them when they come into a place like New Zealand
and you know, they don't know you, they don't know
their skill levels or the makeup artists here, so you
always find that they start off a little bit, you.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Know, potentially nervous.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So like when I did Eva Longoria, I actually did
her over two days, so the first day she was
a little she gave quite a lot of instruction and
one of the things always laugh, She says, Texan, I
was wearing makeup from the age of four and for.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Us more and more so she go to light.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
No, she likes heavier, but it has to be perfectly
blended and stuff like that. But of course, you know,
she looks about fourteen in real life. She had the
most incredible, credible skin, and so Adriana. Her skin is
just absolutely divide like a makeup by his dream. But
she's a lot more relaxed. She just she was so
sweet and just you know, do what you know, do
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what if this is what I like? I just like
a soft eye and a bright lap and just nice skin.
And she just left you to it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You know, she probably doesn't need a lot of makeup.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
She supermod doesn't need a lot of makeup. No, she
definitely doesn't. She Yeah, she was one of the most
kindest and sweetest people I've met.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Actually, that's really nice because she came here recently at
least talk about social media, because, as I said in
my intro, a lot of trends coming out on social
and I think that makes people every day, people like
me think, oh I could maybe give that a go.
Have you seen that phenomenon with social media, especially for
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products that people get recommended. Have you seen it explode?
And it must be weird when you're a makeup artist
in that injury industry and then everyone's wanting to do it.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Well, I feel like everybody uses it, even I will
use it for the same thing. So I will go
to and look at some of my favorite makeup artists
whose work or finishing I love and just see what
their latest products are using. It's a lot faster than
for me going in and testing everything, and so I
trust them, you know. And there's always that element of
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course that someone is selling a product because they're getting
sponsored for or can paid to do so, but they
still have to use it, and so I still get
to see what it looks like and make.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That yeah, it wouldn't sell, right.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
So I mean, obviously the makeup industry is huge because
every man is pretty much has now got their own
makeup range, and some of those are just you know,
white labeled, where they just get product already made and
put their name on it and products so you know,
you can be buying the same thing that someone else has,
or you get people that put on the money and
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have things made, you know, from scratch, but there's so much.
They're so excessive that it's almost overwhelming, I think. So,
you know, with social media, you do get to just
instead of having to think about it, you just get
to watch someone and go, I love that look, I
love how that finish. I'm just going to get that.
And so it's you know, it's booming. It's a booming
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business makeup industry.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And for all ages as well. And I know this
because I look at my eleven year old daughter and
she's starting to want to go to Mecca and she
does theater, so she wears makeup for that. And then
by the same token, my sixty seven year old mother
will send me reels on Instagram of makeup looks she
thinks I should try, but you've nailed it. There are
a lot. So who are the people that you follow?
(31:00):
I'd be quite interested to know.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Well, it's funny enough.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I follow a kind of a range of I have
a lot of really amazing artists of who at the
top end of like the fashion industry, you know, so
a lot of their makeups for me fashion magazines, and
they could be everything from no makeup makeup to something
slightly evant gard so, you know, not necessarily would be
a makeup that people wear, But for me, the artistic
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side of it, a creativity of it, you know, just
like the perfect graphic lines and whatever and the colors
that they use is what excites me. But for a
everyday woman that may not be a lock they have.
So I have a kind of a few different people
that I follow for different reasons, and they're at the
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top of their game.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
For there.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
There's one woman who name is Her Instagram label was
Veronica Rito Makeup Yep. She's a forty six year old
makeup artists and she does amazing makeup on So she's
an older woman, she's got a incredible skin, but she
does so many different makeup looks and a lot of
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it she's got. You know, one of the things when
you're looking at people's makeup is that obviously they have
the one eye shape. If you don't have that eye shape,
it's very hard to actually be able to replicate it themselves.
You know, you really need to try and find makeup
artists or people doing it whose makeup you're like, who's
got a very similar eye shape, which means that it's
almost you get the exact same look if you can
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copy that right. So, she but she loves color and
she is unafraid, and she uses so many different brands
that you really get a good insight that you know,
some of them are less expensive brands, some of them
are the high end brands, and you can see that
half the time they do just as good a job
as a lower end to the high end. But she's
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quite amazing to watch, and she's so fearless with color,
and yet she looks beautiful and flawless every time.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Okay, so the Veronica Reach.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Makeup, So you know, for for a older woman, I
think she's a good person to watch just and get confident.
So well, if she can wear that and she looks great,
so can I. You know, have fun. Makeup should be
having fun. You want to beautiful, but you just want
have fun. And then I watch. I also follow at
Linda Hallberg. Now she's a German makeup artist, and what
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I love about her is just the range of makeup
locks she does and it's just everything.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
So if you really want to.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Get a vast, fast, fast, vast range of makeup locks
and ideas, then she'd be the one to watch.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
And then you've got hung go, hang on.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
I'm just I love it when I can't read van go.
So it's hung hung van Go. Sorry, so it's h
u n g v A n n g O. Now
he's an American celebrity makeup artist, so you'll get But
he does amazing videos, very clear tutorials showing, you know,
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taking his time, showing the makeups he's used, how he's
applied it. And again, you know a lot of the
celebrities you see on Recover, their makeup is actually quite simple.
You know, it's not ott. So it's probably more wearable
for most women, young or old to watch his tutorials
and look beautiful and you know, and also get to
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see all the product ranges he's showcasing.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And that's the other thing that's so good about it
right now, this is the product side. Yes, in terms
of latest trends, Yes, you are doing makeup daily. You know,
you're up at TV. Indeed, look you have to do
that for on screen, but you're also doing magazines. You're
watching these What would you say heading into I mean,
I don't like to say where in autumn yet h
autumn winter?
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Well, it's it's like i'd kind of almost say twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
It's it's not the same.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
As it used to be where you used to watch
magazine or catwalk and have set trends. Now it's kind
of whatever you want to wear, and depending on the
influencer or the celebrity and their trends.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
It will change.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
So we can I could sit there and say, well,
here's all the locks, and I will tell you what
is supposedly, but that could change and a drop of
a hat, depending on what you know. Kim Kardashian might
just change what do you make about his stars? And
then there, you know, the lock that I just talked
about gone. And that's that's how fast social media, make up,
locks and trends are. And you know, and the different
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people that influence the locks that we have, which are
as you say, celebrities and models and stuff like that.
So at the moment, it's it's sheer skin, you know,
that beautiful glowy skin, light makeup, low weight makeup, so
you kind of want to favor you know, your glowy foundations,
your highlighters, and also prep for so important so you
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want you know, hydrating primers to start with, and moisture
is the same. Obviously, skin work is so important because
you have foundation is what you know. Your skin is
what you see most, so you really important to save
up with good prep. And I'll just say a little secret.
You know, one of those is to make sure your
skin is damp when you ply your moisturizer. That's one
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of the most important things. But following on through those trends,
pops of color with blush, you know, sort of your peachy,
pinky blush, and you know you can go a little
bit stronger, you know, don't be afraid of it.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Just make sure it's well blended.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Soft brows soft, you know, fluffy brows, nothing too stuck
down and nothing too heavy, so you want to keep
brows quite light. Same with lashes, nothing overly heavy again,
just sort of feathery flattery eyelashes, but.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Just more towards the natural end of the lock.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
And then with eyeshadow colors, you've got greens, blues, and plums.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
You've also got different finishes.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
You've got your map sort of frosting eyeshadows, you know,
which are probably better on the.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Younger I'm scared of frost.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
And then you've got chromes you know where they're monitor durochromes.
We we've got a whole lot of different colors in them,
and that reflect and so you know, so you've still
got the colors with the green, the blue, and the
plum sort of puropy plums are definitely really big, probably
more on the deeper side than the brighter side.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
And what else.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
And then you've got so you've got this little sort
of strawberry strawberry girl makeup lock that sort of Hailey
Beaver's kicked off and a lot of people are following
that tree.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
And that's almost a no makeup makeup lock and you
and it's a poper colors. That's really simple eyed. You know,
you just put my scarre just brush your brows and
you're using little like a strawberry tint on your cheeks
and lips with a bit of gloss. So it's just
that natural. But you know, that sort of.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Pretty girly.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
And funny thing, that whole strawberry be stung lip has
been something that I've always liked to do for years,
feel like for thirty years, that whole lock, that fresh
pretty lock. Now it's in and it's in, but it's
kind of I feel like it's always but it's just
you know, again, depending who puts it on, it becomes
bigger than Texas And that's a really big trend at
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the moment.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So you've given us the tip around having damp skin
before you moisturize. What else have you got for us?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Well? I also, you know, with conturing.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
I never used to be big into content, but I
pretty much do that all the time with all my
clients now. But I always use a nice bronzer that's
just you know, not too dark, nothing heavy heavy. Controuring
is again not really a trend for this year.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
What is the point of controing, Well, it just.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
Gives more shape. So it adds, you know, more depth
to your cheap boat. And so maybe if you don't
have high cheap bones or just make it look like
I love So it's adding shadows and reshaping your face
to give it a bit more of shape. So if
you've got a wider face, you might might make it
look you know, you sort of you tease it into
looking like it's a little bit slimmer, and especially when
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you photograph. And I think that's the thing with contra
and why it's become so big is because everything's on photographs.
You know, in real life, if it's overly done, obviously
it doesn't actually look that good, doesn't transition.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
But on a.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Photograph, which is why how people live these days is
self east or photographing you look pretty good.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I feel like this is important for me to say
that content is my favorite thing that has done on
me when I've been on cover of magazines, because it
gives you, I don't know, it just gives your face.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
It just gives it a lot more dimension, yes, right, so,
and that's the same with highlighter. So using highlighter the
same in the in the areas you know, cheap bones,
middle of the nose that will actually do the same.
So that just enhances by adding light and areas that
you want and also drawing attention to the enter of
your face as well. So yes, definitely contruring and just
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using a bronzing powder that's like about three or four
shades darker than a skin tone. That just adds a
little something and just you know, and do it subtly
in the areas that you want to slim down. That's
how you can kind of work it out.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
And then the other thing for me that is miscaa
and the application of mascara. And and for me, I
always start at the roots and I move my mascara
wand side to side, and that actually helps coat the
lash sort of top and bottom. And in that wiggly
moment motion, I also then fan. So a lot of
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times people might do the wiggle or they just scoop up,
you know, the mascara wand and what happens they don't
actually fan their lashes out. Ultimately, you want them to
look fanned, so you've got to brush them up through
the middle. And then when you brush them, you've got
to brush the corners out towards you know, in a nose,
and the old lashes out towards the temple. So you
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actually wiggling and fanning your lashes at the same time.
So you've got that beautiful spread and none of them
is sort of clumping together.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh it makes a difference if you ever had clumped
muscara or they look short, it's probably in your technique
if you've got a good mascara.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Yes, yes, And so I'm back in the day. I
remember going into when I used to be Lorel's makeup director.
I went into Farmers and I had a girl come
up to me and I just don't been doing some
dimaged makeup demonstrations there and this girl coming said, I
just bought this muscara and she goes and it doesn't work,
it doesn't do what it says, And I said, can
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I just apply it to your one of your eyes?
Speaker 5 (41:43):
And then she was like, oh wow.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Okay, And it was just a technique, so you know,
obviously it did exactly what it was meant to do,
but she was never doing it in the correct technique
and the difference was quite amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
We need to talk returns for twenty twenty five on
January twenty seventh, but now back to the very best
of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
What would be some of the biggest mistakes that you see?
And not putting on your mascara is obviously one of them,
because it can look awful when you've got the best
big chunks.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Ye, So for me is for me, it's definitely foundation
because obviously, you know, and having the wrong shade of foundation,
and that happens a lot. And I remember in you know,
in Loreal, when they were selling, when I was working
with them, they were selling the most, the most sold
foundations were pale ones. And yet when I work with clients,
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and I've worked with quite a few different people over
the years, hardly any of them are that pale, so
I already knew that most of them buying the wrong foundation.
Half of that is just how they test it. They
put it onto heavy, it goes a lot darker, they
think it's correct, they go home, they put it on
a lot lighter, and it's too light. So it's very
important to apply or test foundation sheerly the other things. Also,
you want one that matches your declotage. You know, we
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used to be that time where you just match your face.
But in this day and age, everyone's wearing fake you know,
tan on their body, but of course no one's putting
their face. They've actually learned that. So you've got these
little pale faces, so you can't match your face. It's
really important to match it to your chest, so you
need to go a little bit darker, and then you
balance it out with a light of concellatory. They're s
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center under the eyes, down the noise and stuff like that,
a little mini contouring, but so it's color. It's also
the thickness of product.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
And the blending.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
I think you could really wear any color as long
as it suits you, even bright one that might scare you,
like a blue.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
But if it's.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
Blended beautifully, it looks good. It's only when things aren't
applied properly and your turn technique. So it's learning techniques.
It's learning how to blend, and that's just practice A
lot of the time, you know, watch someone do it
and then just do it over and over and get
until you've got it. But it's a blending and the heaviness,
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which is what I always aware of.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And I learned that blending process sitting in the TV
ands he'd make up chair for an hour and seeing
how much blending is required. The other thing that I
really took note of, and I want to quess you
on this today, is the eye shadow color. There's best
for different types of eye colors, because you know yourself
when you put on an eyeshadow color, you know the
ones that make them pop and the ones that don't.
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So is there a general rule of thumb?
Speaker 6 (44:30):
Well, okay, we'll start with purple based eyeshadows and also
warm or red based browns, so those shades are technically
considered universal. So every eye color, So if you're stuck.
Every eye color will suit those shades.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Purples and warmy browns, warm.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Browns, you know, sort of you ready browns.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Otherwise, what you want is almost a color that contrasts
with your eyes. To think about your skin tone, and
you also think about what you're wearing, and in their
regard what you wear, what suits your skin is also
a really good indication of probably what's going to suit
the colors on your eyes. Ultimately, it's the colors that
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are the match your eyes. So if you're wearing green,
you've got green eyes. If you're wearing blue and you've
got blue eyes, that's always not that flattering because sometimes
that will just become about your eyeshadow and ultimately your
eyes kind of fade away. So if you're going to
do colors that are similar to your eye shade, then
you want to go with ones that are deeper than
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your eye color. So if you go brighter, then all
of sudden, your eyes will kind of disappear and your
eyeshadow will be the thing that stands out. But you
want colors that pop, and like you said, the blues,
the warmer colors, and with green or blue eyes particularly,
they are quite amazing and brown eyes again, warm brown's,
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ashy brown's.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Oh yeah, but I feel.
Speaker 6 (46:04):
Like there's definitely more of a trend to warmer tones
than the cooler tones these days as well.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And I think it's important to point out that, you know,
you talk about brown, brown has a million different shades
exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
So you've got your call and you've got your warm,
and you'll find when you put things on. You know,
if you've got a brown juicy, is it one with
an orange bas or is it one with a cool base?
You know, and you can look at it like that
and ultimately you just try it on against your skin.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
What about lips, because I remember you telling me, actually
this is possibly fifteen years ago, you either go big
on your eyes or your lip. Is still the case now.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
Yes, yes, yes, I mean you can have a beautiful
graphic eye and do a bold lip, and you can
have a soft smoky eye even with it in a
rim dark and go for a bright eye.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
But it's just.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
You want to do one or the other. You know,
you can't go for a heavy smell smoky eye and
a bright lip. I mean you could if you want to,
but you have to have the personality. Maybe the way
what you.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Wear, Yeah, what are you wearing that one? Off?
Speaker 6 (47:08):
But it just what it just means is that your
faces this too much and you want to be able
to draw attention to one of your features over the other.
So like a smoky eye you could do. You know,
you do your nudes. Your nudes are always always going
to be fashionable. You know, you can't go wrong with
the nude. Or if you want to bring a red on,
you might go for a red a tinted gloss, you know,
(47:31):
instead of something bright. But you know, for twenty twenty four,
your reds are in big red lipsticks are back and
sore like blackberries. Really dark berries are really good for
this year. So for me, I do a softer eye
and highlight that. And again you've got to think about
your lip size and stuff as well, because obviously darker
colors will always highlight your lips. You know, lots so
(47:54):
many women have full of lips now, whether it's natural
or whether it's help induced case, you know, the dark
or bright lip is really really good, or you just
want to add a bit of fullness to your lip,
you know, you'll just take the outline out further to
be able to wear.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That enhance it. Yeah, all right, I thought we would
finish today with you recommending a couple of your absolute
must have products because we all love that. I love
it because, like you said, I go into Meka and
there's so many different brands and I get confused, what
what do you have for us?
Speaker 6 (48:24):
Okay, Well, there's a couple of things that I use
on myself and having my kit that I just go
back and buy over and over again, and I absolutely adore.
One of those is the Hooter lip pencils. They're just
they'll wind up, but they're so soft and they're so
gorgeous and I absolutely adore them when you get them
from Sephora.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
How do you spell that hooter h u d A
hooter cool? Yes.
Speaker 6 (48:51):
I also love Mike Kevin Aquan Volumeinizing mascara. Another mascara
I use a lot on weddings for anyone that is
bothered with smudging and stuff like that. So this one
is it wraps around the lash and so you get
no smudging and it does not come off and it
(49:13):
just easily comes off the water when you wash it off.
But it's I use it all the time just as
a savior because even waterproof and scarras for some people
will smudge and stuff. So if you want a mascare
that doesn't smudge or where off the Kevin Aquan.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
And they have too.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
They have a curling one and the Volume one, and
I prefer myself the Volume mascara. It's fantastic cool and
is that mecha also for that's mecca. Okay, okay. My
favorite concealer is still to this day the True Match
Laurel Parish True Match concealers.
Speaker 5 (49:47):
They're really light.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
They have a good sort of bit of highlight in them,
so they're really soft. They're blend well that it gets
stuck in decreases. That's the one I use under eyes
and just in the know the crescent where it's the darkest.
I also use that to highlight the face, so down
the center of the nose, you know, through the cheek
area and temples the middle of the chin I use.
(50:11):
I always use colors, you know, two to three shades
lighter than your foundation base to do that. But they
had still my favorite to this day, nice and soft
and in a new find which I rave about and
constantly giving other makeup artists a link to, is called
(50:32):
bay Brow which is b A b r O w
as in ba haye bay bay brow. Now that is
a brow gel slash wax. And it is one of
the best I have ever used. And it was one
of my favorite makeup artists that was using it. Who
(50:53):
does who is no one for her? Which she's called
Nicky Makeup. Most people would know who she is, and
she's a bread makeup artist and she became the brow Queen,
so she has influenced browse views and that is the
product I see her using all times.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
I thought, hmm, I'm going to get that.
Speaker 6 (51:11):
Well, actually it's online and it's actually just that baybrow dot.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Com babbrow dot com.
Speaker 6 (51:18):
And that product is amazing and it's actually very reasonably
priced and they have you know, you can they send
you a little code so you can you have like
a little club and you can give you a discount
code out and for every person that buys using your code,
they give you five dollars into your account.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
And so and this product is only thirty five New
Zealand dollars.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Oh that's what we done.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I'm pretty sure it.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Was free delivery as well, so it's pretty amazing. And
also you have choices of ones that help with brow growth,
and they've got all the things, all the things to
do with brows.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
On that site.
Speaker 6 (51:55):
So yet that would be probably my most favorite products.
And I also love a mecha gloss, Mecca's own gloss,
I love a glass. They do dinted glosses and I
and they're not sticky. I hate a sticky gloss personally, yep.
But I use them all the time and work in
personally as well. And they have so many little different
tinted shades that quite make a difference and change their
(52:17):
lipstick tone a little bit as well if you want.
But those have been my favorite products at the.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Moment one, two, three four. I love having a top
five Lisa Matton, thank you so much. I'm going to
get all of those products put up on our Instagram
link as well so that you can go back and
start purchasing. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
You're welcome. Thanks for listening to the very best.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
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