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In part three, Toni chats with the Alternative Comedy Collective's Mike Lane, and The Beauty Chef founder Carla Oates
0:00 Resilience through illness with ACC's Mike Lane
In this episode Toni Street talks with Mike Lane about resilience through long term illnesses. Mike Lane from the Alternative Commentary Collective was diagnosed with an incredibly rare form of cancer called Dermatofibrosarcoma protuberans (DFSP). They talk about the process of discovering the cancer, maintaining a normal life during his treatment, and the impact it had on his family.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We Need to Talk Tony's three's Lifestyle and Wellness podcast,
the very best of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, welcome to We Need to Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Dealing with any type of illness can be tough, but
what about when it affects your face and head badly,
a part of your body that is constantly on show
to the world.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's pretty hard to keep it quiet, even if you
wanted to.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Mike Lane is the boss of the Alternative Cricket Commentary
and founder of the Page Brigade, and for the past
few years has been recovering from a one in a
million type of cancer. I don't even know if I'm
going to say this right because it's very long winded,
but it is called derma to fibrosar coma protuberance. I
work with Micah Enzi Me and I also live down
(00:44):
the road from him, so have witnessed some of that recovery,
and quite honestly, it is the most gruesome operation I
have ever seen, and I don't say that lightly, but
at the same time, probably the most heroic attitude I've
seen in the face of what is an enormous recovery.
In Mike, it's lovely to see you here looking so well.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Thanks.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Yeah, I'm fresh off my seventh operation on my forehead,
the seventh.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And last to put it back together.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
It's had a lot of attention, a lot of attention,
and I'm glad to put it behind me. That was
the last op. So, yeah, it was quite a journey
four years.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, when you look in the mirror now, can you
believe that you've kind of got your face back?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
For a while there, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Know if you were going to Yeah, there was a
period like because four years ago when they found it
and they dug it out, so it was like a
it was a little growth.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Under my skin.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
So it's a form of skin cancer, but it's not
a skin cancer as you know it as in a
mole that grows or whatever. It was just a lump
under my skin, so fairly innocuous. I've got plenty of
lumps around, a bumps around my body from playing rugby
and sport or whatever, so I didn't really think much
of it. But it grows under the skin and it
spreads like a kind of an octopus, kind of tentacles.
And so when they first took it out, it was
(01:57):
a good fifteen centimeter hole in my head. They took
three mil off my skull as well because it had
gone into my skull. And then when I had that
operation and they I mean, that was pretty gruesome. That's
like some of the gruesome photos. I think the Dylan
Cleve did an article and the Herald on But then
after I got a skin graft from my thigh onto
my head to close up the hole. And about a
year after that, I had a significant scar in the
(02:19):
middle of my head which was basically around perfectly round circle.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah it was, and it was in the middle of
your forty.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah, so it looks kind of I looked like Rimmer
of Red Dwarf, except it was a circle. And for
a while there I looked at that and I was like,
this is probably me for the rest of my life.
I mean, I'm going to accept the fact I wore
a hats a lot because I was a little bit
self conscious about it, even though I'm not that self conscious.
I was like, it got easier for me just to
(02:47):
wear a hat than answer the questions.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yes, So I was just like, fuck, I wear a hat.
But there for a while there, I was like, I
don't think this is me.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
I've got I've got a big circle hole in my
head for the rest of my life. And then I
got given an option and to do something quite drastic
to cover that scar. And that was the journey I
went on when I had tissue expanders put into my forehead.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
At least talk about those before we go back to
the beginning and find out how this all started. But
the tissue expanders you've got here, and they are essentially
little breast implants.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
They are, and I mean like ironically they look like
little breasts, but they are actually used for when there's
misectomies and women have their breasts removed and they need
to expand the tissue before putting implants in, so most
commonly used for that. So the little silicon bags were
a one way valve and there to put the silicon
in and slowly expand. So what had needed to happen
(03:43):
with these was they needed to expand enough skin on
my forehead to then cover my scar, which was quite significant.
So over the space of thirteen weeks, I had these
implanted into my head and then inflated over thirteen weeks
and the photos are pretty funny now. Time it was
pretty amusing for me because I said to accept the
fact that I was going to look like a I
(04:04):
look like hell boy, if you've.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Seen the me, you actually did.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And this is the thing that shocked me about you,
and it's it's admirable. You just kept coming to work
and you had these two giant lumps in your forehead,
not only that, you had to MC functions as well,
and you just got up there.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Most people would just go, I'm just going to recover
from this and just shy away from the public for
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, I thought, look, I think if you did that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I did think about that.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I was like, I mean, I was probably within my
right to probably stay home for thirteen weeks, and probably
most people would, but I was like, I would go
more crazy at home and probably get a bit depressed
and then start to self doubt and everything. So I
was like, you know, what it is, what it is
thirteen weeks in my life. Pretty funny. I mean like
it's pretty it's pretty weird and pretty funny. And I
quite enjoyed shocking people because I'd wear a beanie most
(04:53):
of the time. I'd wear a beanie, and over the
weeks that got bigger and bigger, so you know, people
would go, why are you wearing your headphones under your beanie?
And I go, I'm not and then like what's up?
And I'd lifted up and they get recoil.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I remember the day you showed me, and I think
my mouth just fell open and I didn't know what
to say.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I was like, what is happening here?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Because we kind of followed your journey and it just
seemed to go from one bad operation to the next.
But it's but it's worked and it looks amazing, so
it's worth it. But that was three months.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Of that, Yeah, I was three months of the tissue
expanders to cover the scar. But for me, I could
deal with that because it was that was cosmetic. I
knew the cancer had gone by then. I'd had a
couple of pet scans that had gone, so I'd moved
on from that, like I wasn't dying. Everyone's on we
go to cancer, you cancer, you know, It's like no, no, no,
it's all gone. All this stuff is my own choice
to get rid of the scar. It's all cosmetic. So
(05:44):
I mean, I didn't garner I didn't want any sympathy.
I did it to myself. It was my choice to
do that. I used to have some fun with it
as well though, because I mean I was working at
Hodaki as well at the time, and Matt and Jerry
just called me tits Lane because I said I had
a couple of tits on my head. And I mean,
in a way, that's the way. That's the way of
showing that they care.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Did they care and admire the fact that you were
doing what you were doing?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
So, And I used to I mean, if you had
to kind of laugh at it, because no one's I mean,
I'd love shocking people with it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That was my favorite gag I turned out.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I think I might have told you once I turned
up late to a meeting with a client because I
was still meeting clients and everything, and they shocked him
as well. But i'd will move on, don't look at
my head. But I tuned up late. It was pouring
with rain, and I tuned up late and I burst
into this cafe and I was like, so sorry.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I was soaking we so sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I slipped on the pavement outside and I banged my
head and I lifted my beanie up, and the poor
guy from higher Paul was like, he goes, should I
go to the doctor, And he goes you'd go to
doctor immediately, and I was kidding, So I was like
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Like the biggest human tony I've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
He didn't recover from that, the poor guy. He was
like the meeting went fine, but he was still he
was still rattled by the end of it.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
But but good on you for doing that, because I
think so often when you have things like that, people
do hide away, And so what happens then is that
everyone around you doesn't actually understand the gravitas of what's
going on, which can actually be quite hard when you
come back because everyone kind of moves on and sometimes
you're still in recovery mode and you kind of need
them to know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, And also people just start talking. They'll they'll go, well,
what's turn with him? Does he look like whereas?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And I knew that if I turn into a recluse,
although it happened, that people would be more worried about me.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Is okay, this is he? Okay?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Is everything okay? Where it's like, now you know what,
Physically I'm totally fine. It looked like a complete freak show,
but you know is like.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's three months when you can look like so handsome
as you.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Do now, and my forehead and my forehead like the
half of the north Shore, will not move for the
rest of my life.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I can't move my eyebrows. So that's me a free facelift.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So hello, a way to go about it, I know.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
So look, I'm going to have I'm going to be
known as the man on the north Shore at the
age of eighty with the greatest forehead on the north
shore because all the nerves have gone because when they
did the operation, they basic skinned me, so the nerves
are all gone. I can't feel anything. They pinned my
eyebrows so they're still So.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I'm good luck.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I'm not going to show you any empathy because I can't.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Do you know what's so said?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
As I live on the north Shore with her, and
he's going to have a better forehead than I, we
might have to have to do a before and after
when we're in our sixties.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You're listening to the very best of We need to
talk twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Can we just go back to the beginning though, because
this started with a little lump on your forehead thing
you assumed it was a cyst, and for vanity reasons alone,
you went and got it removed, right, which I'm so
glad you did.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, well the only reason, I mean looking, I did
for vanity reasons. And also like my daughter used to
read his stories and she used to like play with it,
and then what's that little thing? And she used to
call it my little unicorn horn? And it wasn't that big,
like from a couple of meters or a meter away,
you wouldn't know. It was just like a little raised
thing in the middle of my head, which didn't really
So that's when I was af I need to get
rid of it, just for my own peace of mind.
(08:59):
And that's and I got went to the GP, and
the GP like had a little football with it, and
he's like, hey, it's assist I'll get rid of that.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So afternoon if you want to come back.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And then so sure enough, came back just under local.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, just under local.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
So he dug it open, but he kind of pulled
it open and then and that's when I kind of
knew that something wasn't quite right because he got there
and he's like some other bits and pieces in here,
and he's like he just kept picking bits out and
I could tell a ways tone that it wasn't assisted.
And so when he got tested and then sure enough
two days later, you get there. You know when you
get the doctor call because you do tests or whatever,
(09:31):
and you know you don't they don't tell you wherever
the phone and if it's good news, I ring you
and go everything's fine.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Then they're in and they go. He liked to arrange
an appointment and coming and see.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Me totally, and you know that there is you know
it's it's not good news, is it? So go in there?
And then yeah, got that, got told that it was
the DFSP. What the hell was that? I had no
idea about that formers and ken cancer, And I was like,
and I did a bit of got back to the car.
They gave me a number to ring to go and
get to see a specialist, which I went to the
car called specialist.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Did you start googling?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I did.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
The first thing that came up, this made me laugh.
Was most commonly found in African American women. Oh, because
it's not caused by the sun in the abdomens.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
And I was looking in the mirror and I'm like
the middle aged white guy and the north shore and
it's in the middle of my forehead. I was like, bizark,
and I was like, I want in a million.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I'm one in a million. And it is a very
rare form. It is, and to be fair, quite slow
growing as well, because it'd been there for a while.
So like, that's why I say, if you have melanomas,
I would be dead. If it was a malanomer, I
would one hundred percent be dead because they grow so
quickly and it's so aggressive. This wasn't luckily for me.
This wasn't as aggressive as as a normal skin cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But of left untreated, I'm guessing these tendacles would some
real habit though.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Were very close to my eye sockets, coming into my
eye sockets because it came right down through here and
it was going through my skull. It was in the
bone of my of my skull. So yeah, it's I mean,
there's cancers are They're not good for you and eventually
would have but yeah, and I'm to be honest with you,
the lump wasn't getting overly bigger, so it would have
carried on for years if I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And it would have been pat way more complex than
to sort it out.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
If you'd left it. Yeah, that's that. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
How much more complex it can be from what.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
You had to deal with.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I think if it starts to get around your eyebrows
and around through here, I was probably quite lucky that
it finished. They chased one tentacle right up to the
back of my head and got that out. But yeah,
I was very lucky it didn't go through here because
there would have been way more complex.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Random question for me, how does it affect your hair
growth with all this cutting into your head?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I've got a very strange hairline, so they you can
see that little harbor I've gotten here because they when
they did the tissue expanding, they basically grabbed it and
pulled it all together. So they pulled my temples forward. Yeah,
so my temples used to be there. Oh and now
that's so they're here. So they pulled my hairline forward.
Fore Heads a little bit bigger than it normally is.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But hair growth, remember what it was like before. Don't
worry for heads grow with receding hairlies anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I know.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
So I just look like I've got a receido now.
But I did have a bit of a Widow's peak.
But now I've got got a weird flat one. But
it doesn't really. I didn't have to have radiation treatment.
I didn't have any of that, so I didn't have
to suffer any of those and that's horrific going through
a chemo and stuff like that. So it was all
surgical removal, but it was just quite full on that.
It was in the middle of my forehead, that's all.
And when it got first got removed, they did a
(12:22):
most surgery at skin Institute, and then they couldn't Actually
I think I saw you at a barbecue before Christmas
and I just had the MOS done.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, and the MOS and they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And with MOS, they basically take a margin and they
test it live there and they come back and say
it's still cancerous. So you sit in the waiting room
under local and they keep scraping, keep scraping.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Keep So hang on a second.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
This is where they've cut into your skull and this
is all while you're awake.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yes, so this is the first it's not. It wasn't
good at one stay on day two of that. I
had second day of that because I kept couldn't find
the clear margins. The second day, I think the surgeon
stages like could see I'd had a knough and put
me in a room on my own.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
What was gave me a blanket?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
What was hard about that specifically?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
It was just getting keep getting told that we're going
to take more margin going in there. There's pumping you
with more local and I'll never forget the scraping sound
as they scrape, as they scraped, and it was like,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It had local, but it hurts, still hurt.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And in two days of that, I was like and
then and then they said afterwards, we're going to have
to put you into general and seend you at the hospital.
And I was like, okay, fine, let's just get rid
of it. Because I was on the mission then, because
when you get told that kind of news, I just
kind of put it into compartments. I was like, right,
what do I have to do to get rid of it?
That was my first goal.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Now that is your attitude, and I think, I mean,
your family's incredibly lucky that that is the type of
person you are.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But how did your wife Anna and the kids cope?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Because it's inescapable when it's right there in front of
the day in and day out.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Kids, Yeah, kids, kids are funny out there, because, like
I mean, my kids, like when I got it done
and I had the dressings and everything on, you know,
and I remember Ralph would just go, he's.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Got cancer just like everyone else. Yeah, okay whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, but yeah, I guess, I mean that's why of
thing I say, I had the right attitude, but I
mean it's it's the family that they were the ones
that probably stressed out more than me because I knew
what I had to do, whereas they had to didn't
know what was going on.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
But I suppose that's why me having.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Such a good attitude about it and saying I'm just
going to deal with it and once we get to
that point, we'll deal with that.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
For that, but there's no point in worrying about it.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And of course everyone googles it and sees the horrific
injuries and scars and results, and.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
People will be looking at ill photos as they listen
to this. If they're looking on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Now yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yep, you can go to
the Herald. The heralds is there as well.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, it's pretty gruesome, and there's more gruesome ones from
the from the tissue expanders, but yeah, it's it was, Yeah,
it's I think it's any way you can deal with it.
And I mean, I'm a good chat to die Henwood
as well. He's obviously going through a bit as well.
He has got the greatest attitude, far more of a
hero than I'll ever be. But he's he's the same,
(15:10):
So you just deal with it and with him, he's
got the greatest attitude of you're not dying of cancer,
you're living, Yeah, with cancer.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I've spoken to do too, and I thought that was
a really nice approach. And I guess also, you know,
your kids might be faced with a health crisis fingers
crossed not but if they are and they've seen the
way that their dad has approached it and dealt with it,
that will give them an amazing example.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, I guess I even really thought about that actually,
but that's probably hopefully, hopefully it's a good example that
you know, you don't have to fully freak out.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And also the vanity side of it, you're prepared to
come to work with a couple of horns.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And half your skull off. That's pretty extreme, are you okay? Now?
What can it come back?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
I think I have every five years have to do
a bit of a go for a pet scan, which
is actually quite good because it does ther whole body. Yeah,
so I feel like every five years I get a
full body scan, and so anything else going on and
getting into your forties and you've got all sorts of
things start falling apart because before this, I'd never spent
a night in hospital. I've never been admitted to hospital.
I'd never had anything wrong with me at all.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You don't do things by halves there, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I know.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then so this happens, and then all of a sudden,
I've been under, you been put under five times. I've
just been in out of hospital but done now totally done.
Chances of it coming back are very minimal because it's
been surgically removed.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And I guess also that's another thing I.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Could deal with it, I think because I could see it.
Like what freaks me out is that that cancers at
a bowel cancer, stomach cancer, lung cancer. Stuff you can't
see and you don't know what's going on side there.
That freaked me out. That freaks me out more than
I could see a hole in my head. And I
was cool with that because I knew that I got
rid of it with that hole and I could see everything,
(16:56):
and I mean that what makes it more gruesomeless was
on my head. But it made me a bit more
way more comfortable in moving on and not worrying because
I guess if you've got stomach cancer or bowel cancer,
I'd be constantly paranoid that it's coming back, and I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
So that's yeah, So that's how I dealt with it anyway.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Oh well, Mike, it's an incredible story. And honestly, I
think everyone that I spoke to at work, because you
did show a lot of people those.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Face Love show, I got a sick fascination about showing
everyone as.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, I think you do.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But I'm glad you did because it started up a
conversation and I think if I ever get a little
cis now, I'll be right in there. And I think
you paving the way of being brave enough to just
own it and to just keep coming to work is
such a fabulous thing for people.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
No, You're more than welcome.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Love having you on the ship.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Thanks Tony.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Follow us on Instagram and we need to talk with
Tony Street. Now back to the very best of twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Hello, they're welcome to We need to Talk and our
beauty series. Today we're talking edible beauty.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We were told as kids that beauty comes from the inside,
and most of us probably took that as if you're
kind and caring and you have a beautiful heart and soul,
that that will shine through onto the outside. Fast forward
to today, and inner beauty has a slightly more literal meaning.
What you put into your body is reflected on the outside.
For the Beauty Chef founder Carla Oates, that's where beauty starts.
(18:28):
Who products work on improving the gut and skin microbiome
products that are so successful they are now sold at Mecca,
Sephora and David Jones. And it all started from trying
to find a better way of dealing with allergies and exmert.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It is so lovely to have you here.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I must say what first caught my eye was this
notion of trying to heal your daughter's XMA from your
kitchen at home. Tell us about that experience and why
you were so motivated.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Well, I'd had XMER as a child and teenager and
really quite severely, and my mum took me to see
a natural path because I tried everything and nothing worked.
I had caught his oonne creams and it helpedfully well,
but it just got rid of some of the pain.
And so she took me to a natural path and
the natural path did a whole lot of blood tests
and found that I was allergic to dairy and gluten,
(19:18):
had gluten intolerance. So she changed my diet dramatically. So
I had first hand experience at that age by changing
my diet the incredible connection between what we eat food,
our digestive system, our skin health and overall wellbeing. And
so I, you know, fast forward years later, I was
(19:39):
working as a journalist in the baidy industry and I
was exposed to lots of math market skincare, and I
decided to quit the newspaper that I was working for
because I didn't believe in really encouraging women and men.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
I was getting letters from.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Everybody around Australia saying, what do you think I should
be taking from my acne, my roseation, my psoriasis. And
I looked at all of these ingredients and I thought,
there's nothing nourishing here, and I knew that looking after
your skin was an inside out job, and so I
quit the newspaper and I engaged in trying to educate
people how to look after skin more holistically and how
can I help change that paradigm in a biddy industry.
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So I wrote a book for Penguin called Feeding Your Skin.
I became the ambassador for the Biological Farmers of Australia
for fifteen years, the editor the beautyaditor for Well Being magazine,
and so my career was really heading in more of
a very holistic direction. And then my daughter, when she
was ten she's twenty six now, she also suffered from
ex men analogies, and so I knew from my experience
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that I had to start looking at her diet and
when kids get to a certain age, so when they're little, you.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Can have more control over what they eat.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
And then when she got to about ten, and she's
going to friends' houses and she's starting to have a
bit of pocket money and buying her own things at
the canteen, and suddenly she started getting these exma flare
ups and allergies, and so I eliminated certain foods from
her diet. Will tried to and tried to encourage her
not to be eating those foods, you know, sugar foods
at school and processed foods. And I'd done this research
that looked at the connection between certain types of gut
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bacteria and allergies and exma. So I put my whole
family on a gut healing protocol, and that included not
just eliminating certain foods from our diet, like gluten and dairy,
but introducing lacto fermented, probiotic rich like Time honored ferments,
sour kraut, coconut cafe, kombucha. And I noticed such a
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big difference in her skin. So her skin cleared up,
she had more focus at school, her allergies.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Were better, her exma was better.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Then I started taking consuming a lot of these fermented
ingredients or foods, and my friends started saying, your skin's glowing,
your skin looks amazing.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (21:45):
And I said, I'm literally eating more of these lat
to fermented probotic rich foods. I gave them to friends
and family. My kitchen was like a laboratory.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
How did you know where to start with all of that?
Like if I thought, oh, I'll you know.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Delve into that area, I just think I wouldn't know
it had you had previous knowledge, or how did you
start it all?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
So I guess I knew about fermentation, and I was
working for a foundation called the Mind Foundation doing their
pr and they were all about gut health for mental health.
It's an amazing organization and not for profit and helped
so many families with kids on the spectrum like changing
their diet with a whole lot of different types of
therapy is a very holistic approach.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
To helping kids with autism.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And so that's when I first learned about gut health
and fermented foods, and then I stumbled across that research.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
So it was all sort of.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Happened, you know, at the same time. And so fermentation
for me, I was familiar with it. Then I started fomenting.
I mean it's quite easy. It's scary when you first
start to ferment because you worry about what happens if
bad bacteria you know there's a growth of bad bacteria.
But actually when you start fermenting, you realize if you
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do it properly, it's very easy and if there is
bad bacteria, gross you can see it. But it's an
anaerobic fermentation so as long as the food is covered
in brine, you're fine. It's really easy. It's so simple.
It's such a wonderful way to get the nutrition into
your body. And when you ferment, the nutrition is enhanced.
It makes a food more supercharged and creates a broad
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spectrum probotic as well as post biotics.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
So it was a little bit daunting. I knew about fermentation.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I've been around it a little bit with the work
that I was doing with this foundation and so and
then it became like second h I just was fermenting
all the time, and all different ingredients and all different ferments.
The kids, my daughter occasionally would be like, you know,
the kimchi which is chili at ten years of age,
just like I stopped there, but she enjoyed them, like
coconut kef kef is delicious, doing berry komboocha's is delicious.
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And so I knew I was onto something when I
started sharing all of these ferments with friends and families.
Neighbors were like knocking on the door and I say,
can I have a bit more of your bacteria?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I'm feeling great.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And people found that their tummies felt better, they were
more regular, skin was better.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I had more energy, and so.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I launched glow Intergauty powder in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So I just want to go back to the exzma
for a second. We know now and I feel like
I lint this the hard way. I'm an XMA sufferer
as well, and I feel like I tried every topical
cream out there, and like you said, steroids would work
for a small period of time. Do you think any
external creams can help with XMA or do you think
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you have to sort of fix the cause internally.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
I'm such a big believe that starts from within.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
So you know, there's more and more research that shows
that where there's gut inflammation, there's going to be skinn inflammation.
And most skin issues from acneterosation to autoimmune skin issues
like exmor and sarriss are fueled by inflammation and that
starts in the gut. Absolutely, topical skincare creams are going
to help alleviate some of the discomfort and do have
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healing properties the right ones, and they can bring you
some relief.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
But from my experience and from.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
A whole community of people that I know now in
the health world and also our customers, you really need
to look at what's going on and get to the
core issue.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I would agree with that and gone through my own
journey as well.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
We need to talk or tunes what twenty twenty five
On January twenty seventh, but now bag to the very
best of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Globe Beauty was started and it's really expanded.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So how did you begin and how did you end
up working out what products we're going to work where?
Speaker 6 (25:38):
So it was when I started, I launched the product,
and I launched it basically to myself and a room
full of people, and they looked at me and they went,
this is so weird.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
What is this?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
And I said, well, it's a product that looks after
your gut and your nutrition and feeds your skin from
the inside out. And so at that time there was
no ingestible beauty category, so we really pioneered it. So
I think people getting their heads around the idea that
you consume something for beauty was number one, really quite
out there. And then the most left of field thing
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was what it's full of bacteria? How does bacteria help
your skin? Isn't bacteria bad? It's like, no, it's great, bacteria,
It's beneficial.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Bacteria.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
It's going to really, you know, nurture your gut health
for your skin health. And so I started with three
thousand dollars. I had a desk in my bedroom that
I started working on the product. I was working for
magazines part time, writing about natural health, and so I
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started on the side and it really took a long
time to educate people around the benefits, but I got
a following because it worked. So people would tell their neighbors,
their aunties, their uncles, wh would tell their nephews and
their nieces, and the word got out. And then I
was approached by Home Shopping TV actually, and I thought,
this is brilliant.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
There's no well category.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Actually, the buyer from Farmers in New Zealand called me
and she said, I've seen your product in Vogue Australia,
because Vogue did a story on me and the glow powder,
and she said, I love it. I've been taking it.
Everyone's saying my skin's glowing. It's so frustrating color. I
want to put into Farmers, but there's no category, there's
no shelves to put it on.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
So for me it was word of mouth. I had
a good little business.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Online from people who tried the product and said it
was amazing and then told other people. And then I
had TVSM which is home shopping in Australia. They heard
about it and they approached me, and there's always looking
for something that's innovative and new, and they said, we've
heard about your magic purple powder.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Would you sell it on TV?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
And I was like great, it's a platform that I
get to educate people for an hour about the product.
And it's a very educational product because I had to
talk about gut health and the connection between gut health
and skin health, and had to talk about the fermentation
and the beneficial bacteria and all the nutrients that helped
to help your skin from within in.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
How does the purple powder work?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
So purple powder, it's magic by magic. So it's fermented.
So we have a state of the art fermentation plant
that we built, run by leading microbiologists.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
And that's what I love as well.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
You know, something like fermented foods has been embraced by
many cultures for hundreds and thousands of years with preservation,
but also for health benefits natural paths. I've always known
the absolute benefits of gut health and everything starts in
the gut and so I think in terms of the
scientists and the microbologists we work with, what I love
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is that they've come around too and they're obsessed with
fermentation because when they look at what fermentation does, Fermentation
not only mates makes whole food ingredients more bioactive, so
it breaks them down to have more nutritional value. It
also helps to neutralize anti nutrients. So like we you know,
when you eat chickpeas and you might get a bit
windy in the tummy because of the fighter cacid. It
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neutralizes phytic acid, and then it creates a broad spectrum
probiotic and post biotics. So that's our bioactive base that
we make in our study the applementation plant. Then we
add nutrients like zinc, b vitamins, pro vitamin A, vitamin C,
all evidence based that we know are really important for
skin structure and function, for skin immunity, for energy metabolism,
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for skin structure and function. So we've got this bioactive
base that helps gut health, which then helps the skin
because where there's gut inflammation, that's going to be skin inflammation.
Then we've got a whole lot of nutrients that we
know are so important for skin health, hair health, and
ail health. And then we add evidence based herbs. So
we've got these really complex, efficacious formulas that we are
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getting amazing results with glow powder. We've helped over a
million people with their gut health and their skin health.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So essentially, we don't need to ferment our food because
you're doing all the hard work and putting it into
a product. Right for someone like me that goes on
I'm not going to ferment my own food. Sounds amazing,
but in reality, I'd probably buy all the ingredients and
then never get around to it.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I know a lot of friends, a lot of friends
and customers have bought the fermentation jars and I'll go
over there.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
I'm like, it's just in your cupboard. It's probably your products.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
They don't need to and.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Our products are cemented, but they are so much more.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
We do add those evidence based herbs, evidence based nutrients,
and we also have some of our own evidence based
probotics that we also add that we've done a lot
of studies on which are called our gutsy strains, and
we've been studying them for the those three four years,
and we put them in different products for their benefits
for skin health, digestive health, and immune health.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Why do you think it is, and I'm sure you've
done a lot of research on this, that people have
such poor gut health.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
It seems to be a bit of an epidemic.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
It is why because modern day life is not kind
to our gut. So, you know, our gut gets irritation,
the gut lining, which causes the inflammation if there's leaky
gut and and irritated gut lining. Processed foods, sugar, so
sugar feeds pathogenic bacteria that causes dysbiosis in our gut, alcohol, cigarettes,
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all the things, medications, But it's also not just dietary factors,
but also lifestyle factors. Like we pre clinical trials show
that you know, lack of sleep will effect can disrupt
your body's ability to maintain a healthy gut microbiome.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
Stress compromises your gut health.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
There's studies that show that meditation can help heal the
lining of the gut. So it's a combination in modern diet, diets,
and also lifestyle factors.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, so how does this fit into daily vitamins? Is
this instead of on top of because there we be
people out there that go well, I might be taking
I don't know how they zink or the vitamin E
whatever is this on top.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Of so it is on top of it. It really
depends on the individual.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
It's very hard to say, like some people might take
vitamin D supplement because really deficient in vitamin D.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
So I always say to people that they.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Should get their bloods tested to see where they're really
low ours. What I love about Glow, for example, is
it's a broad spectrum probiotic, so you're not just giving
one type of probiotic, which is like you know, trillions
of c FEUs of one strain. We know, and all
of the studies show that microbial diversity, having lots of
different bacteria in probiotics is what is linked to good
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gut health and overall wellness and well being. So that's
why we're very interested in broad spectrum probiotics. All the
nutrients that we add we add in levels that are
so in Glow, for example, you're getting you know, fifty
percent of the adi of zinc, you're getting twenty five
percent of or your B vitamins, you're getting two hundred
percent of vitamin C. So it is also it's looking
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after your gut. It's it's you, it's your post biotic
and it is like a multivitamin as well. And I
really look at vitamins like zinc that I think a
lot of people are deficient in, and we've got lots
of trace minerals in our product because our soils are
so depleted that from overfarming, that a lot of people
are not getting minerals. And minerals are so important. They're
like the poor cousins of vitamins that people forget about.
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But most disease will start potentially with a deficiency in
a mineral, and so we put the trace minerals in there.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
I love zinc.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Zinc is in quite a lot of our products, but
we make sure that you're not overdoing it in terms
of the synergy of different products. So very much look
after our customers. So glowal glow ages are like your
kind of multi vitamin, multi probiotic.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
But if you do have a.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Deficiency in something, then it's important to make sure that
you're getting your say your vitamin D if you've got
a in glow agees. We do have vitamin D it
around ten percent of recommended daily intake. But if you're
really deficient. You'd need to take an extra okay, vitamin decent.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Let's talk about collagen, because I feel like collagen are
certainly here in New Zealand. It was a massive buzz food,
possibly more than even gut health at one point. Where
do you sit on that and how does that compere
to what you do? I mean, I know you've probably
got collagen and your products as well.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Is it the magical cure for our skin?
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Well, I love collagen for a couple of reasons. So
collagen is also really good fu gut health. So the
amino acids that are found in an animal based collagen,
whether it's marine or bovine, is rich in amino acid
that help heal the lining of the gart.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
It's like chicken soup.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
I always say when people have got issues, make a
really amazing bone broth like chicken broth, bone broth, and
have it every single day because it has those amino
acids that heal the lining of the gut, and it's
really anti inflammatory. And of course collagen is not just
a predominant protein found in our skin. It's also found
in our bones, our ligaments, and our joints. So for
overall health, it's really important that we look after our collagen.
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And from the age of twenty five it starts to
decline and then we lose within five years of menopause,
which is really unfair. We lose thirty percent of our collagen.
But the good news is that you can replenish your
collagen by taking collagen hydrolyzed marine collagen peptides or bovione peptides.
So the research is there, starting from about two point
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six grams of collagen a day to around fifteen grams,
that's where the science is. So at the beauty chef,
we have a bithmented probiotic collagen boost now that doesn't
have collagen in it. It's for the vegans, so it
actually has trace minerals and nutrients that help our bodies
make our own collagen and helped protect collagen from degradation.
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And then we have the marine collagen peptides. It helps
to replenish collagen in the skin, and our marine collagen
peptide peptides I think are the most bioactive in the
world because we also put in an enzyme and a
probiotic that helps break down those a mini acids so
your body can uptake that collagen more readily. Also, we
are very big one sustainability, so ours is completely sustainable.
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We are certified by MSc, which is a Marine Stewards
accounts and that traceability is so important to be but
not only the traceability and the environmental you know, respect
that we as a brand have in terms of when
we sawce our ingredients, but also you know a lot
of those marine collagen powders where is that marine collagen
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being sourced? So a lot of them are showing they've
got high levels of heavy metals. So because ours comes
from wild Wild Court, North Atlantic cod in the clean waters,
we have tested every single batch and levels of heavy
metals are negligible.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
So I'm so proud of that.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
It's environmentally friendly, it's human friendly, and it's super bioactive.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I love your story for the health side of things,
and it was initially the Xmas story that grabbed me,
but this is also a wonderful business story. And you know,
for people in New Zealand to be able to go
to places like Mecca and buy these products.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
At what stage did you get.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
To that point with the business where you were able
to have your products in these stores like David Jones Mecca.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
It took a while because it took a while for
the ingestible space to take off. So I started on
home shopping and then I had my own e com business.
I was working from home and I was even answering
the calls for the TVs and customer.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
And they're like, oh my am I talking to Carla.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I'm like, yeah, I'm a one woman band.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
What great service.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
And then you know, and I loved that because I
would talk to women for like two hours about the
healthy issues and having that connection to the customer I
actually really really enjoyed.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
And that sort of just started to grow.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And then I started getting calls from selfages and Goop
and lots of you know, big department stores and amazing places.
It's like Sephora in the US. And from there they
were like, you were the pioneer, we want your brand.
We're actually starting a wellness category in our stores. And
so that was a pretty amazing moment. Like I didn't
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ever what I thought what I was doing was very niche.
I've always had an unwaiyhing passion and vision for what
I wanted to do and create and so and even
when the naysayers were like, it's so weird and left
a field. What do you mean take a powder I
for your skin and your gut hells. I'm like, no,
I've seen it. I believe it, and I think this
is the way of the future for skin care and
beauty and wellness and so yeah. So it's been such
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an incredible journey, and but it's sometimes it pinched me
moment of wow, Like my products are on the shelves
of David Jones and Selfridges.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
They were so niche.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
And I love that wellness has gone into the mainstream
and that women have thought about, you know, having a
glow and kale and coconuts to your seat smoothie before
they've even put their you know, moisturizer and makeup on
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, oh well, color, I'm sure you can't take those
one on one phone calls anymore because.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I just so poll that well.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
You know, I actually love reading an event today with
our retail partners, and I actually love the grassroots. I
do less of it, but I love connecting with our customers.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, and I can see that passion so great and
from someone like me who's got an autoimmune condition, didn't
know much in this space. It's so wonderful to know
that there's someone there has done all the hard work
for you and then you can just tap in at
the end and get all of the benefits. So thank
you so much, Thank you so much, my paper.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, welcome to We Need to Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Dealing with any type of illness can be tough, but
what about when it affects your face and head badly,
a part of your body that is constantly on show
to the world.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's pretty hard to keep it quiet, even if you
wanted to.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Mike Lane is the boss of the Alternative Cricket Commentary
and founder of the Page Brigade, and for the past
few years has been recovering from a one in a
million type of cancer. I don't even know if I'm
going to say this right because it's very long winded,
but it is called derma to fibrosar coma protuberance. I
work with Micah Enzi Me and I also live down
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the road from him, so have witnessed some of that recovery,
and quite honestly, it is the most gruesome operation I
have ever seen, and I don't say that lightly, but
at the same time, probably the most heroic attitude I've
seen in the face of what is an enormous recovery.
In Mike, it's lovely to see you here looking so well.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Thanks.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Yeah, I'm fresh off my seventh operation on my forehead,
the seventh.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And last to put it back together.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
It's had a lot of attention, a lot of attention,
and I'm glad to put it behind me. That was
the last op. So, yeah, it was quite a journey
four years.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, when you look in the mirror now, can you
believe that you've kind of got your face back?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
For a while there, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Know if you were going to Yeah, there was a
period like because four years ago when they found it
and they dug it out, so it was like a
it was a little growth.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Under my skin.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
So it's a form of skin cancer, but it's not
a skin cancer as you know it as in a
mole that grows or whatever. It was just a lump
under my skin, so fairly innocuous. I've got plenty of
lumps around, a bumps around my body from playing rugby
and sport or whatever, so I didn't really think much
of it. But it grows under the skin and it
spreads like a kind of an octopus, kind of tentacles.
And so when they first took it out, it was
(01:57):
a good fifteen centimeter hole in my head. They took
three mil off my skull as well because it had
gone into my skull. And then when I had that
operation and they I mean, that was pretty gruesome. That's
like some of the gruesome photos. I think the Dylan
Cleve did an article and the Herald on But then
after I got a skin graft from my thigh onto
my head to close up the hole. And about a
year after that, I had a significant scar in the
(02:19):
middle of my head which was basically around perfectly round circle.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah it was, and it was in the middle of
your forty.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah, so it looks kind of I looked like Rimmer
of Red Dwarf, except it was a circle. And for
a while there I looked at that and I was like,
this is probably me for the rest of my life.
I mean, I'm going to accept the fact I wore
a hats a lot because I was a little bit
self conscious about it, even though I'm not that self conscious.
I was like, it got easier for me just to
(02:47):
wear a hat than answer the questions.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yes, So I was just like, fuck, I wear a hat.
But there for a while there, I was like, I
don't think this is me.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
I've got I've got a big circle hole in my
head for the rest of my life. And then I
got given an option and to do something quite drastic
to cover that scar. And that was the journey I
went on when I had tissue expanders put into my forehead.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
At least talk about those before we go back to
the beginning and find out how this all started. But
the tissue expanders you've got here, and they are essentially
little breast implants.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
They are, and I mean like ironically they look like
little breasts, but they are actually used for when there's
misectomies and women have their breasts removed and they need
to expand the tissue before putting implants in, so most
commonly used for that. So the little silicon bags were
a one way valve and there to put the silicon
in and slowly expand. So what had needed to happen
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with these was they needed to expand enough skin on
my forehead to then cover my scar, which was quite significant.
So over the space of thirteen weeks, I had these
implanted into my head and then inflated over thirteen weeks
and the photos are pretty funny now. Time it was
pretty amusing for me because I said to accept the
fact that I was going to look like a I
(04:04):
look like hell boy, if you've.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Seen the me, you actually did.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And this is the thing that shocked me about you,
and it's it's admirable. You just kept coming to work
and you had these two giant lumps in your forehead,
not only that, you had to MC functions as well,
and you just got up there.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Most people would just go, I'm just going to recover
from this and just shy away from the public for
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, I thought, look, I think if you did that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I did think about that.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I was like, I mean, I was probably within my
right to probably stay home for thirteen weeks, and probably
most people would, but I was like, I would go
more crazy at home and probably get a bit depressed
and then start to self doubt and everything. So I
was like, you know, what it is, what it is
thirteen weeks in my life. Pretty funny. I mean like
it's pretty it's pretty weird and pretty funny. And I
quite enjoyed shocking people because I'd wear a beanie most
(04:53):
of the time. I'd wear a beanie, and over the
weeks that got bigger and bigger, so you know, people
would go, why are you wearing your headphones under your beanie?
And I go, I'm not and then like what's up?
And I'd lifted up and they get recoil.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I remember the day you showed me, and I think
my mouth just fell open and I didn't know what
to say.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I was like, what is happening here?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Because we kind of followed your journey and it just
seemed to go from one bad operation to the next.
But it's but it's worked and it looks amazing, so
it's worth it. But that was three months.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Of that, Yeah, I was three months of the tissue
expanders to cover the scar. But for me, I could
deal with that because it was that was cosmetic. I
knew the cancer had gone by then. I'd had a
couple of pet scans that had gone, so I'd moved
on from that, like I wasn't dying. Everyone's on we
go to cancer, you cancer, you know, It's like no, no, no,
it's all gone. All this stuff is my own choice
to get rid of the scar. It's all cosmetic. So
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I mean, I didn't garner I didn't want any sympathy.
I did it to myself. It was my choice to
do that. I used to have some fun with it
as well though, because I mean I was working at
Hodaki as well at the time, and Matt and Jerry
just called me tits Lane because I said I had
a couple of tits on my head. And I mean,
in a way, that's the way. That's the way of
showing that they care.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Did they care and admire the fact that you were
doing what you were doing?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
So, And I used to I mean, if you had
to kind of laugh at it, because no one's I mean,
I'd love shocking people with it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That was my favorite gag I turned out.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
I think I might have told you once I turned
up late to a meeting with a client because I
was still meeting clients and everything, and they shocked him
as well. But i'd will move on, don't look at
my head. But I tuned up late. It was pouring
with rain, and I tuned up late and I burst
into this cafe and I was like, so sorry.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I was soaking we so sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I slipped on the pavement outside and I banged my
head and I lifted my beanie up, and the poor
guy from higher Paul was like, he goes, should I
go to the doctor, And he goes you'd go to
doctor immediately, and I was kidding, So I was like
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Like the biggest human tony I've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
He didn't recover from that, the poor guy. He was
like the meeting went fine, but he was still he
was still rattled by the end of it.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
But but good on you for doing that, because I
think so often when you have things like that, people
do hide away, And so what happens then is that
everyone around you doesn't actually understand the gravitas of what's
going on, which can actually be quite hard when you
come back because everyone kind of moves on and sometimes
you're still in recovery mode and you kind of need
them to know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, And also people just start talking. They'll they'll go, well,
what's turn with him? Does he look like whereas?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
And I knew that if I turn into a recluse,
although it happened, that people would be more worried about me.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Is okay, this is he? Okay?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Is everything okay? Where it's like, now you know what,
Physically I'm totally fine. It looked like a complete freak show,
but you know is like.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's three months when you can look like so handsome
as you.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Do now, and my forehead and my forehead like the
half of the north Shore, will not move for the
rest of my life.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I can't move my eyebrows. So that's me a free facelift.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So hello, a way to go about it, I know.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
So look, I'm going to have I'm going to be
known as the man on the north Shore at the
age of eighty with the greatest forehead on the north
shore because all the nerves have gone because when they
did the operation, they basic skinned me, so the nerves
are all gone. I can't feel anything. They pinned my
eyebrows so they're still So.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I'm good luck.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I'm not going to show you any empathy because I can't.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Do you know what's so said?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
As I live on the north Shore with her, and
he's going to have a better forehead than I, we
might have to have to do a before and after
when we're in our sixties.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You're listening to the very best of We need to
talk twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Can we just go back to the beginning though, because
this started with a little lump on your forehead thing
you assumed it was a cyst, and for vanity reasons alone,
you went and got it removed, right, which I'm so
glad you did.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, well the only reason, I mean looking, I did
for vanity reasons. And also like my daughter used to
read his stories and she used to like play with it,
and then what's that little thing? And she used to
call it my little unicorn horn? And it wasn't that big,
like from a couple of meters or a meter away,
you wouldn't know. It was just like a little raised
thing in the middle of my head, which didn't really
So that's when I was af I need to get
rid of it, just for my own peace of mind.
(08:59):
And that's and I got went to the GP, and
the GP like had a little football with it, and
he's like, hey, it's assist I'll get rid of that.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So afternoon if you want to come back.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And then so sure enough, came back just under local.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, just under local.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
So he dug it open, but he kind of pulled
it open and then and that's when I kind of
knew that something wasn't quite right because he got there
and he's like some other bits and pieces in here,
and he's like he just kept picking bits out and
I could tell a ways tone that it wasn't assisted.
And so when he got tested and then sure enough
two days later, you get there. You know when you
get the doctor call because you do tests or whatever,
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and you know you don't they don't tell you wherever
the phone and if it's good news, I ring you
and go everything's fine.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Then they're in and they go. He liked to arrange
an appointment and coming and see.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Me totally, and you know that there is you know
it's it's not good news, is it? So go in there?
And then yeah, got that, got told that it was
the DFSP. What the hell was that? I had no
idea about that formers and ken cancer, And I was like,
and I did a bit of got back to the car.
They gave me a number to ring to go and
get to see a specialist, which I went to the
car called specialist.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Did you start googling?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
I did.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
The first thing that came up, this made me laugh.
Was most commonly found in African American women. Oh, because
it's not caused by the sun in the abdomens.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
And I was looking in the mirror and I'm like
the middle aged white guy and the north shore and
it's in the middle of my forehead. I was like, bizark,
and I was like, I want in a million.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I'm one in a million. And it is a very
rare form. It is, and to be fair, quite slow
growing as well, because it'd been there for a while.
So like, that's why I say, if you have melanomas,
I would be dead. If it was a malanomer, I
would one hundred percent be dead because they grow so
quickly and it's so aggressive. This wasn't luckily for me.
This wasn't as aggressive as as a normal skin cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But of left untreated, I'm guessing these tendacles would some
real habit though.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Were very close to my eye sockets, coming into my
eye sockets because it came right down through here and
it was going through my skull. It was in the
bone of my of my skull. So yeah, it's I mean,
there's cancers are They're not good for you and eventually
would have but yeah, and I'm to be honest with you,
the lump wasn't getting overly bigger, so it would have
carried on for years if I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And it would have been pat way more complex than
to sort it out.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
If you'd left it. Yeah, that's that. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
How much more complex it can be from what.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
You had to deal with.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I think if it starts to get around your eyebrows
and around through here, I was probably quite lucky that
it finished. They chased one tentacle right up to the
back of my head and got that out. But yeah,
I was very lucky it didn't go through here because
there would have been way more complex.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Random question for me, how does it affect your hair
growth with all this cutting into your head?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I've got a very strange hairline, so they you can
see that little harbor I've gotten here because they when
they did the tissue expanding, they basically grabbed it and
pulled it all together. So they pulled my temples forward. Yeah,
so my temples used to be there. Oh and now
that's so they're here. So they pulled my hairline forward.
Fore Heads a little bit bigger than it normally is.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But hair growth, remember what it was like before. Don't
worry for heads grow with receding hairlies anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I know.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
So I just look like I've got a receido now.
But I did have a bit of a Widow's peak.
But now I've got got a weird flat one. But
it doesn't really. I didn't have to have radiation treatment.
I didn't have any of that, so I didn't have
to suffer any of those and that's horrific going through
a chemo and stuff like that. So it was all
surgical removal, but it was just quite full on that.
It was in the middle of my forehead, that's all.
And when it got first got removed, they did a
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most surgery at skin Institute, and then they couldn't Actually
I think I saw you at a barbecue before Christmas
and I just had the MOS done.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, and the MOS and they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And with MOS, they basically take a margin and they
test it live there and they come back and say
it's still cancerous. So you sit in the waiting room
under local and they keep scraping, keep scraping.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Keep So hang on a second.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
This is where they've cut into your skull and this
is all while you're awake.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yes, so this is the first it's not. It wasn't
good at one stay on day two of that. I
had second day of that because I kept couldn't find
the clear margins. The second day, I think the surgeon
stages like could see I'd had a knough and put
me in a room on my own.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
What was gave me a blanket?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
What was hard about that specifically?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
It was just getting keep getting told that we're going
to take more margin going in there. There's pumping you
with more local and I'll never forget the scraping sound
as they scrape, as they scraped, and it was like,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
It had local, but it hurts, still hurt.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And in two days of that, I was like and
then and then they said afterwards, we're going to have
to put you into general and seend you at the hospital.
And I was like, okay, fine, let's just get rid
of it. Because I was on the mission then, because
when you get told that kind of news, I just
kind of put it into compartments. I was like, right,
what do I have to do to get rid of it?
That was my first goal.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Now that is your attitude, and I think, I mean,
your family's incredibly lucky that that is the type of
person you are.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But how did your wife Anna and the kids cope?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Because it's inescapable when it's right there in front of
the day in and day out.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Kids, Yeah, kids, kids are funny out there, because, like
I mean, my kids, like when I got it done
and I had the dressings and everything on, you know,
and I remember Ralph would just go, he's.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Got cancer just like everyone else. Yeah, okay whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah, but yeah, I guess, I mean that's why of
thing I say, I had the right attitude, but I
mean it's it's the family that they were the ones
that probably stressed out more than me because I knew
what I had to do, whereas they had to didn't
know what was going on.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
But I suppose that's why me having.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Such a good attitude about it and saying I'm just
going to deal with it and once we get to
that point, we'll deal with that.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
For that, but there's no point in worrying about it.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And of course everyone googles it and sees the horrific
injuries and scars and results, and.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
People will be looking at ill photos as they listen
to this. If they're looking on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Now yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yep, you can go to
the Herald. The heralds is there as well.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, it's pretty gruesome, and there's more gruesome ones from
the from the tissue expanders, but yeah, it's it was, Yeah,
it's I think it's any way you can deal with it.
And I mean, I'm a good chat to die Henwood
as well. He's obviously going through a bit as well.
He has got the greatest attitude, far more of a
hero than I'll ever be. But he's he's the same,
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So you just deal with it and with him, he's
got the greatest attitude of you're not dying of cancer,
you're living, Yeah, with cancer.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I've spoken to do too, and I thought that was
a really nice approach. And I guess also, you know,
your kids might be faced with a health crisis fingers
crossed not but if they are and they've seen the
way that their dad has approached it and dealt with it,
that will give them an amazing example.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, I guess I even really thought about that actually,
but that's probably hopefully, hopefully it's a good example that
you know, you don't have to fully freak out.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And also the vanity side of it, you're prepared to
come to work with a couple of horns.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
And half your skull off. That's pretty extreme, are you okay? Now?
What can it come back?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
I think I have every five years have to do
a bit of a go for a pet scan, which
is actually quite good because it does ther whole body. Yeah,
so I feel like every five years I get a
full body scan, and so anything else going on and
getting into your forties and you've got all sorts of
things start falling apart because before this, I'd never spent
a night in hospital. I've never been admitted to hospital.
I'd never had anything wrong with me at all.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You don't do things by halves there, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I know.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And then so this happens, and then all of a sudden,
I've been under, you been put under five times. I've
just been in out of hospital but done now totally done.
Chances of it coming back are very minimal because it's
been surgically removed.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And I guess also that's another thing I.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Could deal with it, I think because I could see it.
Like what freaks me out is that that cancers at
a bowel cancer, stomach cancer, lung cancer. Stuff you can't
see and you don't know what's going on side there.
That freaked me out. That freaks me out more than
I could see a hole in my head. And I
was cool with that because I knew that I got
rid of it with that hole and I could see everything,
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and I mean that what makes it more gruesomeless was
on my head. But it made me a bit more
way more comfortable in moving on and not worrying because
I guess if you've got stomach cancer or bowel cancer,
I'd be constantly paranoid that it's coming back, and I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
So that's yeah, So that's how I dealt with it anyway.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Oh well, Mike, it's an incredible story. And honestly, I
think everyone that I spoke to at work, because you
did show a lot of people those.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Face Love show, I got a sick fascination about showing
everyone as.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, I think you do.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
But I'm glad you did because it started up a
conversation and I think if I ever get a little
cis now, I'll be right in there. And I think
you paving the way of being brave enough to just
own it and to just keep coming to work is
such a fabulous thing for people.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
No, You're more than welcome.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Love having you on the ship.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Thanks Tony.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Follow us on Instagram and we need to talk with
Tony Street. Now back to the very best of twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Hello, they're welcome to We need to Talk and our
beauty series. Today we're talking edible beauty.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We were told as kids that beauty comes from the inside,
and most of us probably took that as if you're
kind and caring and you have a beautiful heart and soul,
that that will shine through onto the outside. Fast forward
to today, and inner beauty has a slightly more literal meaning.
What you put into your body is reflected on the outside.
For the Beauty Chef founder Carla Oates, that's where beauty starts.
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Who products work on improving the gut and skin microbiome
products that are so successful they are now sold at Mecca,
Sephora and David Jones. And it all started from trying
to find a better way of dealing with allergies and exmert.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It is so lovely to have you here.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I must say what first caught my eye was this
notion of trying to heal your daughter's XMA from your
kitchen at home. Tell us about that experience and why
you were so motivated.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Well, I'd had XMER as a child and teenager and
really quite severely, and my mum took me to see
a natural path because I tried everything and nothing worked.
I had caught his oonne creams and it helpedfully well,
but it just got rid of some of the pain.
And so she took me to a natural path and
the natural path did a whole lot of blood tests
and found that I was allergic to dairy and gluten,
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had gluten intolerance. So she changed my diet dramatically. So
I had first hand experience at that age by changing
my diet the incredible connection between what we eat food,
our digestive system, our skin health and overall wellbeing. And
so I, you know, fast forward years later, I was
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working as a journalist in the baidy industry and I
was exposed to lots of math market skincare, and I
decided to quit the newspaper that I was working for
because I didn't believe in really encouraging women and men.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
I was getting letters from.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Everybody around Australia saying, what do you think I should
be taking from my acne, my roseation, my psoriasis. And
I looked at all of these ingredients and I thought,
there's nothing nourishing here, and I knew that looking after
your skin was an inside out job, and so I
quit the newspaper and I engaged in trying to educate
people how to look after skin more holistically and how
can I help change that paradigm in a biddy industry.
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So I wrote a book for Penguin called Feeding Your Skin.
I became the ambassador for the Biological Farmers of Australia
for fifteen years, the editor the beautyaditor for Well Being magazine,
and so my career was really heading in more of
a very holistic direction. And then my daughter, when she
was ten she's twenty six now, she also suffered from
ex men analogies, and so I knew from my experience
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that I had to start looking at her diet and
when kids get to a certain age, so when they're little, you.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Can have more control over what they eat.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
And then when she got to about ten, and she's
going to friends' houses and she's starting to have a
bit of pocket money and buying her own things at
the canteen, and suddenly she started getting these exma flare
ups and allergies, and so I eliminated certain foods from
her diet. Will tried to and tried to encourage her
not to be eating those foods, you know, sugar foods
at school and processed foods. And I'd done this research
that looked at the connection between certain types of gut
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bacteria and allergies and exma. So I put my whole
family on a gut healing protocol, and that included not
just eliminating certain foods from our diet, like gluten and dairy,
but introducing lacto fermented, probiotic rich like Time honored ferments,
sour kraut, coconut cafe, kombucha. And I noticed such a
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big difference in her skin. So her skin cleared up,
she had more focus at school, her allergies.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Were better, her exma was better.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Then I started taking consuming a lot of these fermented
ingredients or foods, and my friends started saying, your skin's glowing,
your skin looks amazing.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (21:45):
And I said, I'm literally eating more of these lat
to fermented probotic rich foods. I gave them to friends
and family. My kitchen was like a laboratory.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
How did you know where to start with all of that?
Like if I thought, oh, I'll you know.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Delve into that area, I just think I wouldn't know
it had you had previous knowledge, or how did you
start it all?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
So I guess I knew about fermentation, and I was
working for a foundation called the Mind Foundation doing their
pr and they were all about gut health for mental health.
It's an amazing organization and not for profit and helped
so many families with kids on the spectrum like changing
their diet with a whole lot of different types of
therapy is a very holistic approach.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
To helping kids with autism.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
And so that's when I first learned about gut health
and fermented foods, and then I stumbled across that research.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
So it was all sort of.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Happened, you know, at the same time. And so fermentation
for me, I was familiar with it. Then I started fomenting.
I mean it's quite easy. It's scary when you first
start to ferment because you worry about what happens if
bad bacteria you know there's a growth of bad bacteria.
But actually when you start fermenting, you realize if you
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do it properly, it's very easy and if there is
bad bacteria, gross you can see it. But it's an
anaerobic fermentation so as long as the food is covered
in brine, you're fine. It's really easy. It's so simple.
It's such a wonderful way to get the nutrition into
your body. And when you ferment, the nutrition is enhanced.
It makes a food more supercharged and creates a broad
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spectrum probotic as well as post biotics.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
So it was a little bit daunting. I knew about fermentation.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
I've been around it a little bit with the work
that I was doing with this foundation and so and
then it became like second h I just was fermenting
all the time, and all different ingredients and all different ferments.
The kids, my daughter occasionally would be like, you know,
the kimchi which is chili at ten years of age,
just like I stopped there, but she enjoyed them, like
coconut kef kef is delicious, doing berry komboocha's is delicious.
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And so I knew I was onto something when I
started sharing all of these ferments with friends and families.
Neighbors were like knocking on the door and I say,
can I have a bit more of your bacteria?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
I'm feeling great.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And people found that their tummies felt better, they were
more regular, skin was better.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I had more energy, and so.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I launched glow Intergauty powder in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So I just want to go back to the exzma
for a second. We know now and I feel like
I lint this the hard way. I'm an XMA sufferer
as well, and I feel like I tried every topical
cream out there, and like you said, steroids would work
for a small period of time. Do you think any
external creams can help with XMA or do you think
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you have to sort of fix the cause internally.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
I'm such a big believe that starts from within.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
So you know, there's more and more research that shows
that where there's gut inflammation, there's going to be skinn inflammation.
And most skin issues from acneterosation to autoimmune skin issues
like exmor and sarriss are fueled by inflammation and that
starts in the gut. Absolutely, topical skincare creams are going
to help alleviate some of the discomfort and do have
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healing properties the right ones, and they can bring you
some relief.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
But from my experience and from.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
A whole community of people that I know now in
the health world and also our customers, you really need
to look at what's going on and get to the
core issue.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I would agree with that and gone through my own
journey as well.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
We need to talk or tunes what twenty twenty five
On January twenty seventh, but now bag to the very
best of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Globe Beauty was started and it's really expanded.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So how did you begin and how did you end
up working out what products we're going to work where?
Speaker 6 (25:38):
So it was when I started, I launched the product,
and I launched it basically to myself and a room
full of people, and they looked at me and they went,
this is so weird.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
What is this?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
And I said, well, it's a product that looks after
your gut and your nutrition and feeds your skin from
the inside out. And so at that time there was
no ingestible beauty category, so we really pioneered it. So
I think people getting their heads around the idea that
you consume something for beauty was number one, really quite
out there. And then the most left of field thing
(26:11):
was what it's full of bacteria? How does bacteria help
your skin? Isn't bacteria bad? It's like, no, it's great, bacteria,
It's beneficial.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Bacteria.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
It's going to really, you know, nurture your gut health
for your skin health. And so I started with three
thousand dollars. I had a desk in my bedroom that
I started working on the product. I was working for
magazines part time, writing about natural health, and so I
(26:40):
started on the side and it really took a long
time to educate people around the benefits, but I got
a following because it worked. So people would tell their neighbors,
their aunties, their uncles, wh would tell their nephews and
their nieces, and the word got out. And then I
was approached by Home Shopping TV actually, and I thought,
this is brilliant.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
There's no well category.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Actually, the buyer from Farmers in New Zealand called me
and she said, I've seen your product in Vogue Australia,
because Vogue did a story on me and the glow powder,
and she said, I love it. I've been taking it.
Everyone's saying my skin's glowing. It's so frustrating color. I
want to put into Farmers, but there's no category, there's
no shelves to put it on.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
So for me it was word of mouth. I had
a good little business.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Online from people who tried the product and said it
was amazing and then told other people. And then I
had TVSM which is home shopping in Australia. They heard
about it and they approached me, and there's always looking
for something that's innovative and new, and they said, we've
heard about your magic purple powder.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Would you sell it on TV?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
And I was like great, it's a platform that I
get to educate people for an hour about the product.
And it's a very educational product because I had to
talk about gut health and the connection between gut health
and skin health, and had to talk about the fermentation
and the beneficial bacteria and all the nutrients that helped
to help your skin from within in.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
How does the purple powder work?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
So purple powder, it's magic by magic. So it's fermented.
So we have a state of the art fermentation plant
that we built, run by leading microbiologists.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
And that's what I love as well.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
You know, something like fermented foods has been embraced by
many cultures for hundreds and thousands of years with preservation,
but also for health benefits natural paths. I've always known
the absolute benefits of gut health and everything starts in
the gut and so I think in terms of the
scientists and the microbologists we work with, what I love
(28:38):
is that they've come around too and they're obsessed with
fermentation because when they look at what fermentation does, Fermentation
not only mates makes whole food ingredients more bioactive, so
it breaks them down to have more nutritional value. It
also helps to neutralize anti nutrients. So like we you know,
when you eat chickpeas and you might get a bit
windy in the tummy because of the fighter cacid. It
(29:00):
neutralizes phytic acid, and then it creates a broad spectrum
probiotic and post biotics. So that's our bioactive base that
we make in our study the applementation plant. Then we
add nutrients like zinc, b vitamins, pro vitamin A, vitamin C,
all evidence based that we know are really important for
skin structure and function, for skin immunity, for energy metabolism,
(29:23):
for skin structure and function. So we've got this bioactive
base that helps gut health, which then helps the skin
because where there's gut inflammation, that's going to be skin inflammation.
Then we've got a whole lot of nutrients that we
know are so important for skin health, hair health, and
ail health. And then we add evidence based herbs. So
we've got these really complex, efficacious formulas that we are
(29:45):
getting amazing results with glow powder. We've helped over a
million people with their gut health and their skin health.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So essentially, we don't need to ferment our food because
you're doing all the hard work and putting it into
a product. Right for someone like me that goes on
I'm not going to ferment my own food. Sounds amazing,
but in reality, I'd probably buy all the ingredients and
then never get around to it.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I know a lot of friends, a lot of friends
and customers have bought the fermentation jars and I'll go
over there.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
I'm like, it's just in your cupboard. It's probably your products.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
They don't need to and.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Our products are cemented, but they are so much more.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
We do add those evidence based herbs, evidence based nutrients,
and we also have some of our own evidence based
probotics that we also add that we've done a lot
of studies on which are called our gutsy strains, and
we've been studying them for the those three four years,
and we put them in different products for their benefits
for skin health, digestive health, and immune health.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Why do you think it is, and I'm sure you've
done a lot of research on this, that people have
such poor gut health.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
It seems to be a bit of an epidemic.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
It is why because modern day life is not kind
to our gut. So, you know, our gut gets irritation,
the gut lining, which causes the inflammation if there's leaky
gut and and irritated gut lining. Processed foods, sugar, so
sugar feeds pathogenic bacteria that causes dysbiosis in our gut, alcohol, cigarettes,
(31:12):
all the things, medications, But it's also not just dietary factors,
but also lifestyle factors. Like we pre clinical trials show
that you know, lack of sleep will effect can disrupt
your body's ability to maintain a healthy gut microbiome.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
Stress compromises your gut health.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
There's studies that show that meditation can help heal the
lining of the gut. So it's a combination in modern diet, diets,
and also lifestyle factors.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, so how does this fit into daily vitamins? Is
this instead of on top of because there we be
people out there that go well, I might be taking
I don't know how they zink or the vitamin E
whatever is this on top.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Of so it is on top of it. It really
depends on the individual.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
It's very hard to say, like some people might take
vitamin D supplement because really deficient in vitamin D.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
So I always say to people that they.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Should get their bloods tested to see where they're really
low ours. What I love about Glow, for example, is
it's a broad spectrum probiotic, so you're not just giving
one type of probiotic, which is like you know, trillions
of c FEUs of one strain. We know, and all
of the studies show that microbial diversity, having lots of
different bacteria in probiotics is what is linked to good
(32:26):
gut health and overall wellness and well being. So that's
why we're very interested in broad spectrum probiotics. All the
nutrients that we add we add in levels that are
so in Glow, for example, you're getting you know, fifty
percent of the adi of zinc, you're getting twenty five
percent of or your B vitamins, you're getting two hundred
percent of vitamin C. So it is also it's looking
(32:48):
after your gut. It's it's you, it's your post biotic
and it is like a multivitamin as well. And I
really look at vitamins like zinc that I think a
lot of people are deficient in, and we've got lots
of trace minerals in our product because our soils are
so depleted that from overfarming, that a lot of people
are not getting minerals. And minerals are so important. They're
like the poor cousins of vitamins that people forget about.
(33:10):
But most disease will start potentially with a deficiency in
a mineral, and so we put the trace minerals in there.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
I love zinc.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Zinc is in quite a lot of our products, but
we make sure that you're not overdoing it in terms
of the synergy of different products. So very much look
after our customers. So glowal glow ages are like your
kind of multi vitamin, multi probiotic.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
But if you do have a.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Deficiency in something, then it's important to make sure that
you're getting your say your vitamin D if you've got
a in glow agees. We do have vitamin D it
around ten percent of recommended daily intake. But if you're
really deficient. You'd need to take an extra okay, vitamin decent.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Let's talk about collagen, because I feel like collagen are
certainly here in New Zealand. It was a massive buzz food,
possibly more than even gut health at one point. Where
do you sit on that and how does that compere
to what you do? I mean, I know you've probably
got collagen and your products as well.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Is it the magical cure for our skin?
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Well, I love collagen for a couple of reasons. So
collagen is also really good fu gut health. So the
amino acids that are found in an animal based collagen,
whether it's marine or bovine, is rich in amino acid
that help heal the lining of the gart.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
It's like chicken soup.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
I always say when people have got issues, make a
really amazing bone broth like chicken broth, bone broth, and
have it every single day because it has those amino
acids that heal the lining of the gut, and it's
really anti inflammatory. And of course collagen is not just
a predominant protein found in our skin. It's also found
in our bones, our ligaments, and our joints. So for
overall health, it's really important that we look after our collagen.
(34:48):
And from the age of twenty five it starts to
decline and then we lose within five years of menopause,
which is really unfair. We lose thirty percent of our collagen.
But the good news is that you can replenish your
collagen by taking collagen hydrolyzed marine collagen peptides or bovione peptides.
So the research is there, starting from about two point
(35:10):
six grams of collagen a day to around fifteen grams,
that's where the science is. So at the beauty chef,
we have a bithmented probiotic collagen boost now that doesn't
have collagen in it. It's for the vegans, so it
actually has trace minerals and nutrients that help our bodies
make our own collagen and helped protect collagen from degradation.
(35:33):
And then we have the marine collagen peptides. It helps
to replenish collagen in the skin, and our marine collagen
peptide peptides I think are the most bioactive in the
world because we also put in an enzyme and a
probiotic that helps break down those a mini acids so
your body can uptake that collagen more readily. Also, we
are very big one sustainability, so ours is completely sustainable.
(35:56):
We are certified by MSc, which is a Marine Stewards
accounts and that traceability is so important to be but
not only the traceability and the environmental you know, respect
that we as a brand have in terms of when
we sawce our ingredients, but also you know a lot
of those marine collagen powders where is that marine collagen
(36:18):
being sourced? So a lot of them are showing they've
got high levels of heavy metals. So because ours comes
from wild Wild Court, North Atlantic cod in the clean waters,
we have tested every single batch and levels of heavy
metals are negligible.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
So I'm so proud of that.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
It's environmentally friendly, it's human friendly, and it's super bioactive.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I love your story for the health side of things,
and it was initially the Xmas story that grabbed me,
but this is also a wonderful business story. And you know,
for people in New Zealand to be able to go
to places like Mecca and buy these products.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
At what stage did you get.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
To that point with the business where you were able
to have your products in these stores like David Jones Mecca.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
It took a while because it took a while for
the ingestible space to take off. So I started on
home shopping and then I had my own e com business.
I was working from home and I was even answering
the calls for the TVs and customer.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
And they're like, oh my am I talking to Carla.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I'm like, yeah, I'm a one woman band.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
What great service.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
And then you know, and I loved that because I
would talk to women for like two hours about the
healthy issues and having that connection to the customer I
actually really really enjoyed.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
And that sort of just started to grow.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And then I started getting calls from selfages and Goop
and lots of you know, big department stores and amazing places.
It's like Sephora in the US. And from there they
were like, you were the pioneer, we want your brand.
We're actually starting a wellness category in our stores. And
so that was a pretty amazing moment. Like I didn't
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ever what I thought what I was doing was very niche.
I've always had an unwaiyhing passion and vision for what
I wanted to do and create and so and even
when the naysayers were like, it's so weird and left
a field. What do you mean take a powder I
for your skin and your gut hells. I'm like, no,
I've seen it. I believe it, and I think this
is the way of the future for skin care and
beauty and wellness and so yeah. So it's been such
(38:18):
an incredible journey, and but it's sometimes it pinched me
moment of wow, Like my products are on the shelves
of David Jones and Selfridges.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
They were so niche.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
And I love that wellness has gone into the mainstream
and that women have thought about, you know, having a
glow and kale and coconuts to your seat smoothie before
they've even put their you know, moisturizer and makeup on
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, oh well, color, I'm sure you can't take those
one on one phone calls anymore because.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I just so poll that well.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
You know, I actually love reading an event today with
our retail partners, and I actually love the grassroots. I
do less of it, but I love connecting with our customers.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, and I can see that passion so great and
from someone like me who's got an autoimmune condition, didn't
know much in this space. It's so wonderful to know
that there's someone there has done all the hard work
for you and then you can just tap in at
the end and get all of the benefits. So thank
you so much, Thank you so much, my paper.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
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