July 4, 2025 • 7 mins
With the first All Blacks game of the season kicking off tonight, it’s time to take a look back in time.
Andrew Hore, former All Black and RWC winner, now a farmer in Otago, joined Piney to reflect on his career and life post-rugby.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from News Talks EDB Come into.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Your Life from Emerson's Brewery and Dunedin on the Dad
the first All Blacks test of the year. Always amazing.
Who you run into eighty three Test? All Black Andrew Orhio? Mate? Mate? Yeah,
very well, thank you mate, Good to see you in
amongst the punters here and some This wouldn't have been
your first trip to Emerson's I wouldn't imagine.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
No, But it's quite a handy sport, doesn't it to
go a few beers here and stumble down on the rugby.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
So it's perfect, absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What are you up to these days? Mate?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Just back home running the farm. So I took over
the farm ten years ago or something. So last year
is pretty tough forinsra strikes and prices and this year
things are looking pretty good. So farm is good and
fun and just away from it down here watch a
bit of foody and a catch up with a few
people over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How far away from from central Dunedin is your farm?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Probably two hours in the car okay, yeah, if you
don't have any stops do you?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What is your what is you You obviously talked about
watching rugby these days. Do you have any more official involvement? Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Not really a help out siege.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
The Targo team were a couple of mates and I
coached set for the Top Cup which we had to
win this year on Alex It was pretty good and
to see how about the young fellow and has unopen
grade TV here and Tonedin. He's twelve, so he's been
around and seen us here Jordy Beart this morning, so
he's pumped about that and I felt like a little
group at the hotel. But they're sweet, so he's right
(01:31):
into it.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So what's Andrew or the rugby coach?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Are you you know what? What's what's your coaching style?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Just pretty much I rolled us off the cuff really,
no videos or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Just get out there.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And enjoy it and if I can get the nine
ten and the ball through to the wing, I've had
a good day.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Does your boy do they have positions at twelve? Like
will he be a front run?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
He's He's keen on all the things that are hard
to coach. He loves tackling and getting into the turnovers
and that stuff and if it's rain.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yet, he's disappointing. So he's really passionate about it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But as long as he enjoys it, his little sisters
comes along and tags on as well, so it's it
started to look more and more like rugby.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Love it, love it. I think your provincial day boobers
for Otago, wasn't it ninety eight?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, back in ninety eight when I think I played
the start of the only game he lost to Waikato
that year.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But now that was great.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We got there in a very semi professional one the
NBC that year, so it was sponsible.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, we just had Tane Randall on. He shit exactly that.
I think he was captain that year. That it was
well super rugby had been there for a couple of
three years, but it was semi professional when it first started.
Does that how you remember it as well? When you
first became a pro?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh, yeah, for sure. It was a Tuesday Thursday training
is a big thing. Jim had just started. I think
we got a Vota phone cell phone for the first
time and everyone had the Snake game on that So
that's come a long way and some some obviously a
lot of good stuff and some bear stuff. There's a
lot more tries in that squad back in the day,
but there's a lot more space. So yeah, rugby keeps involving.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I suppose I was at a function with you a
year ago and you were talking about how rugby has
changed a lot, to change a lot in many ways
on the field but also off the field, and you
made a great point about it, how sometimes things can
just be sorted out over a beer, but that doesn't
happen quite so much these not.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
As much there.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, it's funny if Penny and Emerson's and to do
such a big thing for rugby and stuff, But yeah,
a lot of things can be sort of over a beer,
and some can't be. But I suppose the modern era
don't really like talking to big people and skinning out
and socialized as much as we used to, and we
probably didn't like going to the gym as much as
they do.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So it's a there's a happy medium somewhere used to how.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Do you reflect on your rugby your career though all
I mean it was a terrific career. Eighty three test matches,
rugby World Cup won, you went to two World Cups,
You kept in the All Blacks in twenty eleven against Canada.
How do you think back on it? Much?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Not a great deal, pretty lucky really, so obviously a
big change. And I talked about that thing well into
last year, was getting out of the getting out of
a comfort zone and moving up to Taranaki and focus
on footy up there and on the way lucky enough
captain by the leisurey Andy Slater and then got called
in the Crusaders and had Todd Blackhead was a skipper
of those days, so it was a lot different. You'd
(04:13):
get into a team, you get thrown a hundred thousand
dollars and told look after it, how you think And
then finally we worked out that as probably wasn't the
best thought of you to give twenty or one year
olds that much money.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And we moved on. It's changed so much.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You got provisional development and you know, the academies and
all those sorts of things that come along. So it's
changed a lot, but yeah, there's still a lot of
good good on the old days as well.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You did you consider yourself just to be just did
you consider yourself to be a farmer who played rugby
or a rugby come from the far.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Very much a farmer who played rugby for the start,
and then when I went away it's sort of collecked
a little bit towards the later on two thousand and
seven on it was more this is I actually can
play the game properly and deserve to be here. So
it was great, well lasted. It's not so good now
when you get out of bed and trying to pull
the socks and that on.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
But that's our yea. It wouldn't change anything.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, you could certainly play two thousand and eight, you
zeal And be Player of the Year. Can I tell
you about the Rugby World Cup Final? You came off
the last half hour? What was that half hour?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Like? Uh, it was pretty good being out there because
you could probably do something about it. Yeah, other four
million of us couldn't. But we're doing some uncharacteristic things.
I think we're out there and just so I got
on the air skipper ad a quick quick kickoff that's
never been done before. We sort of we panted a
little bit, but in the end the old heads Andy Ellis,
(05:32):
Ali Williams, myself, I think lucky enough, had a bit
of experience on the bench and we come through and
I was never in doubt, really was it?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh no, well like seven you know, I'm not No
one was nervous at all. As you say, they're being
out there, I guess you can't. You know what would
have been worth sitting on the beach, would yeah, to
be hopeless?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, I say, out there And as I suppose you
trained for those in the bigger moments. I think I
had to throw the ball on at the end and
to bread thorn to seal the game. So it was
probably more relief than anything for the whole New Zealand
that we finally got over the line.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And as I said it was it was very hard.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Alcoholics don't get enough appreciation to draw and drink ef
you down of the week for fourteen days sort of
caught up on us.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Isn't true that the freaks boys went to the gym
the next morning? Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, they were on the way to the gym and
I was trying to form a room, so it was yeah,
And we're all got mates as well, so that was
just part of sports and the opposite the track and
we all get on for a common cause. And we
were lucky enough to win the World Cup and then
the dream Runner carried on to the twenty fifteen which
was a was a great series as well.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So presumably you're go into the game tonight even just
come up for the for the Emerson's hospitality.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
No, we can't get Emerson's up.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
We're all come from the farm, not just come down
for the game. And yeah beving us. Have you had
a few mates and you start feeling like you were
something Wallager.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Good stuff and you so you're okay, still to work
on the farm. Then the sort of the niggles you
know from rugby don't affect that.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Uh yeah, just can't run or fast or you still
doing anything like that. But yeah, the niggles are the
I din't play rugby, wouldn't have a farm either, So
that's another way to look at it. So I've got
a I'm gonna have a lot out of rugby and yeah,
and hopefully we could carry on and have good times
and watch good test match.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Not yeah, let's look forward to it. Great to see
you mate, thanks for stopping in. I hate to separate
a man from his bs. So you get that Emerson's
and go and continue your socialize and good to see
you mate, see us Sex mate, it's Andrew Wore, former
All Blacks Howker, joining us here on Weekend Sport here
at Emerson's in Dunedin.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from News Talks EDB Come into.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Your Life from Emerson's Brewery and Dunedin on the Dad
the first All Blacks test of the year. Always amazing.
Who you run into eighty three Test? All Black Andrew Orhio? Mate? Mate? Yeah,
very well, thank you mate, Good to see you in
amongst the punters here and some This wouldn't have been
your first trip to Emerson's I wouldn't imagine.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
No, But it's quite a handy sport, doesn't it to
go a few beers here and stumble down on the rugby.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
So it's perfect, absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What are you up to these days? Mate?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Just back home running the farm. So I took over
the farm ten years ago or something. So last year
is pretty tough forinsra strikes and prices and this year
things are looking pretty good. So farm is good and
fun and just away from it down here watch a
bit of foody and a catch up with a few
people over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How far away from from central Dunedin is your farm?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Probably two hours in the car okay, yeah, if you
don't have any stops do you?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
What is your what is you You obviously talked about
watching rugby these days. Do you have any more official involvement? Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Not really a help out siege.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
The Targo team were a couple of mates and I
coached set for the Top Cup which we had to
win this year on Alex It was pretty good and
to see how about the young fellow and has unopen
grade TV here and Tonedin. He's twelve, so he's been
around and seen us here Jordy Beart this morning, so
he's pumped about that and I felt like a little
group at the hotel. But they're sweet, so he's right
(01:31):
into it.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So what's Andrew or the rugby coach?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Are you you know what? What's what's your coaching style?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Just pretty much I rolled us off the cuff really,
no videos or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Just get out there.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And enjoy it and if I can get the nine
ten and the ball through to the wing, I've had
a good day.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Does your boy do they have positions at twelve? Like
will he be a front run?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
He's He's keen on all the things that are hard
to coach. He loves tackling and getting into the turnovers
and that stuff and if it's rain.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yet, he's disappointing. So he's really passionate about it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But as long as he enjoys it, his little sisters
comes along and tags on as well, so it's it
started to look more and more like rugby.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Love it, love it. I think your provincial day boobers
for Otago, wasn't it ninety eight?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, back in ninety eight when I think I played
the start of the only game he lost to Waikato
that year.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But now that was great.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
We got there in a very semi professional one the
NBC that year, so it was sponsible.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, we just had Tane Randall on. He shit exactly that.
I think he was captain that year. That it was
well super rugby had been there for a couple of
three years, but it was semi professional when it first started.
Does that how you remember it as well? When you
first became a pro?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh, yeah, for sure. It was a Tuesday Thursday training
is a big thing. Jim had just started. I think
we got a Vota phone cell phone for the first
time and everyone had the Snake game on that So
that's come a long way and some some obviously a
lot of good stuff and some bear stuff. There's a
lot more tries in that squad back in the day,
but there's a lot more space. So yeah, rugby keeps involving.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I suppose I was at a function with you a
year ago and you were talking about how rugby has
changed a lot, to change a lot in many ways
on the field but also off the field, and you
made a great point about it, how sometimes things can
just be sorted out over a beer, but that doesn't
happen quite so much these not.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
As much there.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, it's funny if Penny and Emerson's and to do
such a big thing for rugby and stuff, But yeah,
a lot of things can be sort of over a beer,
and some can't be. But I suppose the modern era
don't really like talking to big people and skinning out
and socialized as much as we used to, and we
probably didn't like going to the gym as much as
they do.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
So it's a there's a happy medium somewhere used to how.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Do you reflect on your rugby your career though all
I mean it was a terrific career. Eighty three test matches,
rugby World Cup won, you went to two World Cups,
You kept in the All Blacks in twenty eleven against Canada.
How do you think back on it? Much?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Not a great deal, pretty lucky really, so obviously a
big change. And I talked about that thing well into
last year, was getting out of the getting out of
a comfort zone and moving up to Taranaki and focus
on footy up there and on the way lucky enough
captain by the leisurey Andy Slater and then got called
in the Crusaders and had Todd Blackhead was a skipper
of those days, so it was a lot different. You'd
(04:13):
get into a team, you get thrown a hundred thousand
dollars and told look after it, how you think And
then finally we worked out that as probably wasn't the
best thought of you to give twenty or one year
olds that much money.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And we moved on. It's changed so much.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You got provisional development and you know, the academies and
all those sorts of things that come along. So it's
changed a lot, but yeah, there's still a lot of
good good on the old days as well.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You did you consider yourself just to be just did
you consider yourself to be a farmer who played rugby
or a rugby come from the far.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Very much a farmer who played rugby for the start,
and then when I went away it's sort of collecked
a little bit towards the later on two thousand and
seven on it was more this is I actually can
play the game properly and deserve to be here. So
it was great, well lasted. It's not so good now
when you get out of bed and trying to pull
the socks and that on.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
But that's our yea. It wouldn't change anything.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, you could certainly play two thousand and eight, you
zeal And be Player of the Year. Can I tell
you about the Rugby World Cup Final? You came off
the last half hour? What was that half hour?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Like? Uh, it was pretty good being out there because
you could probably do something about it. Yeah, other four
million of us couldn't. But we're doing some uncharacteristic things.
I think we're out there and just so I got
on the air skipper ad a quick quick kickoff that's
never been done before. We sort of we panted a
little bit, but in the end the old heads Andy Ellis,
(05:32):
Ali Williams, myself, I think lucky enough, had a bit
of experience on the bench and we come through and
I was never in doubt, really was it?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh no, well like seven you know, I'm not No
one was nervous at all. As you say, they're being
out there, I guess you can't. You know what would
have been worth sitting on the beach, would yeah, to
be hopeless?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, I say, out there And as I suppose you
trained for those in the bigger moments. I think I
had to throw the ball on at the end and
to bread thorn to seal the game. So it was
probably more relief than anything for the whole New Zealand
that we finally got over the line.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And as I said it was it was very hard.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Alcoholics don't get enough appreciation to draw and drink ef
you down of the week for fourteen days sort of
caught up on us.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Isn't true that the freaks boys went to the gym
the next morning? Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, they were on the way to the gym and
I was trying to form a room, so it was yeah,
And we're all got mates as well, so that was
just part of sports and the opposite the track and
we all get on for a common cause. And we
were lucky enough to win the World Cup and then
the dream Runner carried on to the twenty fifteen which
was a was a great series as well.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So presumably you're go into the game tonight even just
come up for the for the Emerson's hospitality.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
No, we can't get Emerson's up.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
We're all come from the farm, not just come down
for the game. And yeah beving us. Have you had
a few mates and you start feeling like you were
something Wallager.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Good stuff and you so you're okay, still to work
on the farm. Then the sort of the niggles you
know from rugby don't affect that.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Uh yeah, just can't run or fast or you still
doing anything like that. But yeah, the niggles are the
I din't play rugby, wouldn't have a farm either, So
that's another way to look at it. So I've got
a I'm gonna have a lot out of rugby and yeah,
and hopefully we could carry on and have good times
and watch good test match.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Not yeah, let's look forward to it. Great to see
you mate, thanks for stopping in. I hate to separate
a man from his bs. So you get that Emerson's
and go and continue your socialize and good to see
you mate, see us Sex mate, it's Andrew Wore, former
All Blacks Howker, joining us here on Weekend Sport here
at Emerson's in Dunedin.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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