September 27, 2025 • 9 mins
Fans, coaches and experts alike are celebrating Cam Roigard's match-winning performance against the Wallabies.
Roigard was hugely influential in the 33-24 Bledisloe Cup win at Eden Park, scoring two tries - including one to seal the win.
Former All Black and rugby analyst Ant Strachan joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Edb on the right hand side of the All Blacks
directly under the uprights, Roy Guard Pets and goes himself,
can Roy god Back Camp, Right Guard, Stores.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And Straw and former All Blacks half back our expert
analyst and News Talks. Heb commentary last night and good
to chat to you the day after. Can we start
with the man in the nine Jersey? The man we
just heard score that try Cam Roygard. How influential was
he last night on his return to the Black Jersey?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Man could probably take us five to ten minutes, but
that one. But to sum him up, so instrumental in
everything they did. He brought energy to the group, He
bought confidence. Just his ability to keep testing the Australian defense.
I think for mine is one of those things that
he takes pressure off others and for the most he
(00:59):
made a lot of really smart decisions. He scans early
very confident in his own ability and I just thought
overall his game was pretty clinical and yeah, just the
energy and what he brings to this group. It is
actually now as we look at it, I know we've
got some good knights running around the country made but
he is head and shoulders above the pack and probably
the only here he really doesn't need to continue to
(01:21):
work on it, just that box kicking, because we're running
a lot of contestables now from the base and I've
just had a couple of rope ones last night. But overall,
a wonderful.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Performance even after just thirteen tests. And is he now
among the most important players in this all black setup?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I think so. I mean, we're in the development phase.
I even knew some public hate to hear that, but
you know, we've lost all that experience after the last
World Cup and we're now building a group as you
head to the next one, you know, and the pivotal roles,
and nine is one of those is so important. And
it's great to know we've got depth and talent and youth.
(01:57):
But once you settle on a player who is so
critical to the way you play the game, not just
offensively but defensively as well. He's a good defender, you
know you could start building your units, your blocks around
your team to have a really strong collective group. And yes,
I mean it belies belief that you know, the thirteen
(02:17):
games he's played. He looks like a thirty forty test
veteran out there. And I know, you know the ball
provided from last night we played on top of lot.
I thought the cleaner carry clean was good too, so
he got a good platform. But you know, look, I
totally agree he. You know, he's so critical to us
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Speaking of platforms, what were the foundations for the All
Blacks when last night?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
For you, well, I think the set piece, while it
was a bit ropie, we certainly had parity, if not better.
So you know, as you know, mate, you have to
be clinical with your execretion around set piece. You've got
to have a strong scrum so you can launch from
that a lineout as well, but also some scrums and
lineus where you can put some pressure on the opposition.
(02:58):
I thought that was better certainly than Wellington. I really
liked the way they attacked. I think we mentioned in
commentary last night a few times. Their ability to get
the bull the wits quickly was was phenomenal and we
really did stretch the Wallabies out wide and they just
kept going there and as nice as he came a
park with his hands on the ball, a lot leroy
tarda got involved as well, and if it didn't come
(03:19):
to us when he got involved as well. So getting
the ball to the edges and exposing the Wallabies, I
thought it was one thing and it was nice the
way they got it there. It wasn't just catch pass
every time. Sometimes they ran some nice layers through the middle,
those little second man plays we talk about all the time.
So the attack coach should put himself on the back
this morning, so I thought that was very good. And
(03:39):
also mate, we continued to be really well disciplined. You
remember four three four TESTA we got stained by the
referee and we turned the ball over a lot. With
our discipline, we sorted that out as well, and I
thought Addie Savius set the standard physically for us and
the rest of that forward pack just followed suit. It
was a brutal game, as you mentioned, but I thought, yeah,
(04:00):
just I believed to contest the collisions to give us
a platform to get to the wits was really really good.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just on the referee and there's been a bit of
chat about his performance, and in particular a few complaints
on the other side of the Tasman about the number
of penalties that were handed out. The yellow card for
Harry Potter and other decisions made last night. What was
your evaluation of the referee.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I actually thought it was really good because he was proactive.
You know, we could often hear his voice down the
works in terms of explaining what's happening as the game
is unfolding, So he wasn't blowing it up and then explaining.
He was giving some of productive vocals to the players,
and I thought that was really good. He's never going
to get through a Test match with the way the
(04:42):
ruckers so complicated these days. But obviously thought you know,
for the most part, he got things right. He penalized
teams for entry a lot, some of the guys who
were losing feet, but also the side entry both teams
in that phase. He tied it up any to tackle area,
and I think the game flowed pretty well. I mean,
he was some really nice attacking movements throughout the game
(05:03):
from both teams, and you know, referee contributes to them flow.
So look, he lets you had a really good game.
I can't understand, you know, when a thing gets penalless
more than the other. You scrutinize a lot more closely
what I referee does. But you know, I get him
a big mark, big tech plast monk.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What did you see happen in that ten minutes just
before halftime when Australia came back from what they were
twenty points down, sorry, seventeen points down and they scored
those two converted tries and close the gap to three?
What did you see from the Wallabies? What didn't perhaps
you see from the All Blacks in that period?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And I think you nailed it. You know, as soon
as body Barrett was at a knoxious injury to his
ac joint went off, it would just like to puff
went out of the team and it was almost like saying,
now who's stepping up and taking control? You know, who's
vocally going to lead this team to really keep pushing
beyond the twenty to three leads and just screw them
(05:56):
down all the way through the halftime. And I just
thought there was we were just a bit passive across
the park vocally, physically, execution wise. We just went flat.
And it's a real concern for mine. I mean, it
was a good win in the end, but it was
a concern from mine that we just got so soft
and that teens are twelve minutes to half time and
(06:18):
it is about day management. And you mentioned as you say,
Buddy Barrett went off, not but Kens he's not good
enough to take the reins there. But we went flat
and how are we going to get out of that
so that we don't know? Cop up fourteen points or
whatever it was in a very short space of time
and we lost a lot of momentsa through it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A guy whose name you mentioned a few times last
night whether it the praise was Quintupia who came on
in an unfamiliar position on the left wing when Caleb
Clark went off of that Englan injury. Do you think
Quinta Pie's pushing for a starting spot on this team?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah? I do. I mean everything he's done so far,
and it dismtches with his camelin in games against South
Africa when they wanted the fortress a few weeks ago.
His ability to carry a good footwork, He's very powerful
with ball in hand. He was playing on a wing.
I mean, I think he's played a lot of wing
in his life. He did a child there. I'll be
bearing awful a little while. Man. I think they should
put it back at twelve. And that's no discredit to
(07:10):
what Bildie Barrett's been doing in that role. But I
still just think he's a fallback. I think you can
pop you know, Will Jordan on the wings. I know
that would be tough for Carter and or Clark, who
also had a really good game last night. Everyonnie, Sorry
Caleb Clark got a bit of an injury. But yeah,
I just think Quinn will give us something at twelve,
which we've probably been lacking, into the consistency of what
(07:33):
our twelve does, getting gainline, getting post contact meters. He's
a good in your face defender. And also I thought
Billy Procts he probably had another really really good game.
I thought he took a step up. His defense was superb.
He swum away from situations to pick up guys in
behind the attacking line. I think he was getting his
(07:53):
ball and he hadn't made an error last night, you know,
so he's growing week by weeks. I just wonder whether
he'd be better with quinter Pie sitting inside.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Him all right, just to finish and look ahead. I
guess the trick now is consistency, isn't his? And they
beat Argentina lost to Argentina beat South Africa lost to
South Africa beat Australia. How do they make sure over
the next seven days they go to Perth and went
over there.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, there's some new challenges I think Piney. I mean
they'll be able to sit down and look at that
flat patches in the game. They need to fix that.
I think they need to reflect on the way they're
paying and I think it's a successful way that the
Wallabies will expect now to play the width. So my
question is as they go up to Perth, it'll be
hot airs up there. You know, the long travel, it
(08:37):
is taxing to get all the way up to Perth.
Do they have any just variations about just rather than
go to Witth again, so reinforce the good things, bring
a little bit more variation in. But you know, definitely
work out some way, some strategy of stopping those flat
patches and games. Because the Wallabies will take a lot
(08:58):
of confidence from the game. Finally enough, I thought they
scrambled defensively and brilliantly at the time. They held us
up from many occasions. So they take that confidence away
back to Perth and they'll come hissing in front of
a big home crowd, I'd imagine, So the orb actually
have to work on those, primarily those flat patches.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Always enjoy chatting rugby with you and and working alongside you, mate.
Thanks for your time this afternoon, mate. Thanks and Andron
our expert analyst Jee. He provides some incredibly good insight
every time I have the opportunity to do a radio
commentary with Ant up in the box alongside Elliott Smith.
He just gets such a deeper understanding of the game.
(09:40):
He's just got such an astute rugby brain an straw
and he's in The Herald now writing regular articles there.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Edb on the right hand side of the All Blacks
directly under the uprights, Roy Guard Pets and goes himself,
can Roy god Back Camp, Right Guard, Stores.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And Straw and former All Blacks half back our expert
analyst and News Talks. Heb commentary last night and good
to chat to you the day after. Can we start
with the man in the nine Jersey? The man we
just heard score that try Cam Roygard. How influential was
he last night on his return to the Black Jersey?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Man could probably take us five to ten minutes, but
that one. But to sum him up, so instrumental in
everything they did. He brought energy to the group, He
bought confidence. Just his ability to keep testing the Australian defense.
I think for mine is one of those things that
he takes pressure off others and for the most he
(00:59):
made a lot of really smart decisions. He scans early
very confident in his own ability and I just thought
overall his game was pretty clinical and yeah, just the
energy and what he brings to this group. It is
actually now as we look at it, I know we've
got some good knights running around the country made but
he is head and shoulders above the pack and probably
the only here he really doesn't need to continue to
(01:21):
work on it, just that box kicking, because we're running
a lot of contestables now from the base and I've
just had a couple of rope ones last night. But overall,
a wonderful.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Performance even after just thirteen tests. And is he now
among the most important players in this all black setup?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I think so. I mean, we're in the development phase.
I even knew some public hate to hear that, but
you know, we've lost all that experience after the last
World Cup and we're now building a group as you
head to the next one, you know, and the pivotal roles,
and nine is one of those is so important. And
it's great to know we've got depth and talent and youth.
(01:57):
But once you settle on a player who is so
critical to the way you play the game, not just
offensively but defensively as well. He's a good defender, you
know you could start building your units, your blocks around
your team to have a really strong collective group. And yes,
I mean it belies belief that you know, the thirteen
(02:17):
games he's played. He looks like a thirty forty test
veteran out there. And I know, you know the ball
provided from last night we played on top of lot.
I thought the cleaner carry clean was good too, so
he got a good platform. But you know, look, I
totally agree he. You know, he's so critical to us
moving forward.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Speaking of platforms, what were the foundations for the All
Blacks when last night?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
For you, well, I think the set piece, while it
was a bit ropie, we certainly had parity, if not better.
So you know, as you know, mate, you have to
be clinical with your execretion around set piece. You've got
to have a strong scrum so you can launch from
that a lineout as well, but also some scrums and
lineus where you can put some pressure on the opposition.
(02:58):
I thought that was better certainly than Wellington. I really
liked the way they attacked. I think we mentioned in
commentary last night a few times. Their ability to get
the bull the wits quickly was was phenomenal and we
really did stretch the Wallabies out wide and they just
kept going there and as nice as he came a
park with his hands on the ball, a lot leroy
tarda got involved as well, and if it didn't come
(03:19):
to us when he got involved as well. So getting
the ball to the edges and exposing the Wallabies, I
thought it was one thing and it was nice the
way they got it there. It wasn't just catch pass
every time. Sometimes they ran some nice layers through the middle,
those little second man plays we talk about all the time.
So the attack coach should put himself on the back
this morning, so I thought that was very good. And
(03:39):
also mate, we continued to be really well disciplined. You
remember four three four TESTA we got stained by the
referee and we turned the ball over a lot. With
our discipline, we sorted that out as well, and I
thought Addie Savius set the standard physically for us and
the rest of that forward pack just followed suit. It
was a brutal game, as you mentioned, but I thought, yeah,
(04:00):
just I believed to contest the collisions to give us
a platform to get to the wits was really really good.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just on the referee and there's been a bit of
chat about his performance, and in particular a few complaints
on the other side of the Tasman about the number
of penalties that were handed out. The yellow card for
Harry Potter and other decisions made last night. What was
your evaluation of the referee.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I actually thought it was really good because he was proactive.
You know, we could often hear his voice down the
works in terms of explaining what's happening as the game
is unfolding, So he wasn't blowing it up and then explaining.
He was giving some of productive vocals to the players,
and I thought that was really good. He's never going
to get through a Test match with the way the
(04:42):
ruckers so complicated these days. But obviously thought you know,
for the most part, he got things right. He penalized
teams for entry a lot, some of the guys who
were losing feet, but also the side entry both teams
in that phase. He tied it up any to tackle area,
and I think the game flowed pretty well. I mean,
he was some really nice attacking movements throughout the game
(05:03):
from both teams, and you know, referee contributes to them flow.
So look, he lets you had a really good game.
I can't understand, you know, when a thing gets penalless
more than the other. You scrutinize a lot more closely
what I referee does. But you know, I get him
a big mark, big tech plast monk.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What did you see happen in that ten minutes just
before halftime when Australia came back from what they were
twenty points down, sorry, seventeen points down and they scored
those two converted tries and close the gap to three?
What did you see from the Wallabies? What didn't perhaps
you see from the All Blacks in that period?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
And I think you nailed it. You know, as soon
as body Barrett was at a knoxious injury to his
ac joint went off, it would just like to puff
went out of the team and it was almost like saying,
now who's stepping up and taking control? You know, who's
vocally going to lead this team to really keep pushing
beyond the twenty to three leads and just screw them
(05:56):
down all the way through the halftime. And I just
thought there was we were just a bit passive across
the park vocally, physically, execution wise. We just went flat.
And it's a real concern for mine. I mean, it
was a good win in the end, but it was
a concern from mine that we just got so soft
and that teens are twelve minutes to half time and
(06:18):
it is about day management. And you mentioned as you say,
Buddy Barrett went off, not but Kens he's not good
enough to take the reins there. But we went flat
and how are we going to get out of that
so that we don't know? Cop up fourteen points or
whatever it was in a very short space of time
and we lost a lot of momentsa through it.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A guy whose name you mentioned a few times last
night whether it the praise was Quintupia who came on
in an unfamiliar position on the left wing when Caleb
Clark went off of that Englan injury. Do you think
Quinta Pie's pushing for a starting spot on this team?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah? I do. I mean everything he's done so far,
and it dismtches with his camelin in games against South
Africa when they wanted the fortress a few weeks ago.
His ability to carry a good footwork, He's very powerful
with ball in hand. He was playing on a wing.
I mean, I think he's played a lot of wing
in his life. He did a child there. I'll be
bearing awful a little while. Man. I think they should
put it back at twelve. And that's no discredit to
(07:10):
what Bildie Barrett's been doing in that role. But I
still just think he's a fallback. I think you can
pop you know, Will Jordan on the wings. I know
that would be tough for Carter and or Clark, who
also had a really good game last night. Everyonnie, Sorry
Caleb Clark got a bit of an injury. But yeah,
I just think Quinn will give us something at twelve,
which we've probably been lacking, into the consistency of what
(07:33):
our twelve does, getting gainline, getting post contact meters. He's
a good in your face defender. And also I thought
Billy Procts he probably had another really really good game.
I thought he took a step up. His defense was superb.
He swum away from situations to pick up guys in
behind the attacking line. I think he was getting his
(07:53):
ball and he hadn't made an error last night, you know,
so he's growing week by weeks. I just wonder whether
he'd be better with quinter Pie sitting inside.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Him all right, just to finish and look ahead. I
guess the trick now is consistency, isn't his? And they
beat Argentina lost to Argentina beat South Africa lost to
South Africa beat Australia. How do they make sure over
the next seven days they go to Perth and went
over there.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, there's some new challenges I think Piney. I mean
they'll be able to sit down and look at that
flat patches in the game. They need to fix that.
I think they need to reflect on the way they're
paying and I think it's a successful way that the
Wallabies will expect now to play the width. So my
question is as they go up to Perth, it'll be
hot airs up there. You know, the long travel, it
(08:37):
is taxing to get all the way up to Perth.
Do they have any just variations about just rather than
go to Witth again, so reinforce the good things, bring
a little bit more variation in. But you know, definitely
work out some way, some strategy of stopping those flat
patches and games. Because the Wallabies will take a lot
(08:58):
of confidence from the game. Finally enough, I thought they
scrambled defensively and brilliantly at the time. They held us
up from many occasions. So they take that confidence away
back to Perth and they'll come hissing in front of
a big home crowd, I'd imagine, So the orb actually
have to work on those, primarily those flat patches.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Always enjoy chatting rugby with you and and working alongside you, mate.
Thanks for your time this afternoon, mate. Thanks and Andron
our expert analyst Jee. He provides some incredibly good insight
every time I have the opportunity to do a radio
commentary with Ant up in the box alongside Elliott Smith.
He just gets such a deeper understanding of the game.
(09:40):
He's just got such an astute rugby brain an straw
and he's in The Herald now writing regular articles there.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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