November 16, 2024 • 8 mins
The All Blacks' hopes of an unbeaten end-of-season tour have been dashed after a narrow 30-29 loss to France in Paris.
New Zealand led 17-10 at the break, but were unable to hold off a French fightback in the second stanza.
Hurricanes loose forward Brad Shields joined Piney to recap the loss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from newstalk zed B. What is left ends?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So Williams at the back for Jordan, Jordan for Luckheid
all LEFTENSI Cana pot.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Buck into the twenty two Brady Savia to second field.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But to blast hime a black run.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Peter, Why.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It's been on the park for six minutes. That's your
black first.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right, Yeah, Peter Luck I had to come on in
the second minute after Summer Penny female was forced off,
got a try off the run of a or off
the back of a barn storming run from Arrissa Via.
End of the day though, France thirty All Blacks twenty nine,
Let's bring in former England international, hugely experienced Hurricanes and
Wellington loose forward Brad Shields. Brad, thanks for joining us, mate,
(00:52):
France thirty All Blacks twenty nine. What was your overall
assessment of what you saw from the All Blacks this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Thanks having me Piney and I suppose it's good afternoon
after mid Dava. Yeah, it was a bloody good test
matcher for and I don't think people I definitely predicted
the way the game was going to go. But I
just think, you know, the All Blacks sort of just
maybe let themselves down a couple of times just with
finishing off and if they've got a couple of things
(01:19):
finished then it could have been a completely different story tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Absolutely, So I mean when you go to analyze things
like that, I mean, mistakes are going to happen and
pressure moments, aren't they It's there's nothing they could have
done differently apart from it youn't maybe held onto the ball.
But mistakes happened, don't they. And I appreciate situations.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's exactly it. And I guess the difference when you
make a mistake is front toppled on it, you know,
like that sort of one mistake from All Blacks and
then the France ended up scoring Try as you know,
the worst possible outcome for a mistake, and sometimes that's
the way it goes, and you know that sometimes they
don't go away, and unfortunately tonight it didn't happen for
(01:59):
the All Blacks. But like I said, a huge Test
match and obviously being very biased, you played a little
clip there from Peter Larchey go and try and you
know I was jumping out of my seat for him.
It was a massive occasion for him and his family.
So it's cool to see him go on early.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I've written down his name to ask you about.
You've obviously had an up close view of his development
at super rugby level. What what have you made of Peter?
Like I from you know, from playing alongside him and
watching him develop.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, I guess for me, he's just a guy that
just rolls his sleeves up and does his work. And
he's got a bit of exceector as well. And like
you saw tonight, like he's obviously scored a try, but
he didn't didn't necessarily do anything you know, explosive or
I mean so not explosive like expect this sort of
thing tonight. But he did his job really well. And
you notice when you got the ball and carry like
the leg drive and went to fight for another extra
(02:48):
few meters and and some of his work off the ball,
like I don't know, it's got watch certain players off
the ball, but if you watch what he works around
the sead like he's just a relentless work create and
that's exactly what you saw. And the Hurricanes and you
know when he played for Wenington as well, like his
ability to be where the ball is and how he
scored his try is if you watch him off the ball,
he's just really merried to go.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I guess there's a spot opening up in the seven
jumper for the All Blacks. We know Sam Kains leaving Artie.
Look he could play there obviously and started with the
seven on his back tonight, but might be number eight.
Do you think Peter like I might have his his
nose in front even from this performance to perhaps get
a crack at at wearing seven and the first few
Test matches of next year.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Oh, you'd like to think so, and I guess. And
the biggest test of them obviously, you know, playing for
the All Blacks is huge, but I do think for
his future development, the biggest test for him, which we
back up another good Super Rugby season with another good season.
And that's where you notice I reckon players who accelerate
as they have back to back seasons that are real
positive because it's quite I'm not saying it's easy, but
(03:51):
you know, he's relatively fresh, relatively young, playing really good rugby.
When teams start to figure out how they play and
who's a big threat in the team. You know they'll
start to target players up Pete So for him to accelerate,
I reckon his career it will be the Super Rugby season.
The difference from a good shot at AVS as well.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, looking forward to that, I want to ask you
you've captained sides the decision right near the end, on
in the seventy fifth minute at four points down to
take the shot at goal to close it up to
thirty twenty nine. When when you're a captain in a
situation like that, where you've got an option you can
take the points, you can kick for the line and
maybe try and get the seven pointer, what sort of
things factor into your decision making at a time like that.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, I guess you straight away to think about where
the game's gone and how the game's gone. And if
you think about the All Blacks attacking their line, like
they struggle to score points and in terms of they
get really really close and then they'd get turned over
or a penalty or something like that, Like I think
with the next role against it might have been against
(04:53):
All Blacks maybe, But there's the certain things you think
about throughout the game and you get to that point
you're like, well, what are we going to do. We're
going to back ourselves to get back down here. They
look dominant, like the All Blacks look like they're on
the front foot. So you know, you've still got a
chunk of time on the game left. But unfortunately, I
think you said before Raserhead you know, had to get
off their deck fence, and they struggled to get out
of their twenty two in the deck end of the game.
(05:14):
So decisions always get screwed on the outcome. And you know,
whether they should have taken it or not, I'm not
I'm not really sure it was them on the field,
so they obviously had a good discussion before it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, Well, as you say, decisions get screwedinized on outcome.
That's such a good phrase. I'm going to write that
down and use that and the years the years ahead
shield good one. What about the decision then to withdraw
cam rouyguard five minutes or sorry, ten minutes into the
second half? What did you make of that?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, again, obviously pretty bass. I would have loved to
see him go for another you know, ten minutes at least,
I think he was in control of the game. And uh,
and obviously it's unfortunate for Atima because you know, a
couple of calls didn't go his way when he got
on the field, like there was the five second watches.
But sometimes a little bit unfortunate, but you know, the
referee was pretty clear and that push your team under
(06:03):
a little bit of pressure. But you know he's a
great player as well, and he got a huge spark
and brings a lot of energy into the game. So
again that's the same thing. You know, like you bring
guys on for impact, and the last few weeks that
All Blacks have been in a really good position and
the guys on the bench have finished the game for
them really strong. You know, sometimes a few things go
(06:24):
against you and I yeah, I mean, like I said,
I would have loved camp here a few more minutes.
But obviously the coach seas I think Differdon wants to
make that change and Cortiz as a good player, so
you're going to put those guys on so they know
they're going to finish job.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
How did you assess the All Black scrum tonight?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I thought they were a bit unlucky a couple of times.
Obviously early on they got a penalty against them. Wasn't
probably as forceful as it has been maybe, But at
the same time it looked like the ref was just
trying to let the game go a little bit. And
there was that one I think towards the back end
of the game where they've got a decent shun to
on it went down to ground and he just wanted
them to play it. So yeah, but a bit of
(07:05):
a mixed bag, I think. And usually with your set piece,
if you're real dominant, like towards the back end of
a couple of games, Like I said, those three front rollers,
come on, they changed the game through scrum against England,
and I think they just just a little bit off,
but not to say it wasn't a good weapon, but
get it utilized as much as maybe they would have liked.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All right, And yesterday we were talking about these three
big test matches England, Island, France and I think going North,
a lot of people said, Okay, win two out of
the three and that's a pretty good outcome. The All
Blacks have one two out of three. But do you
think they'll they'll consider today was an opportunity loss to
you know, to Grand slam the Northern Tour.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I definitely think so. And like I said earlier, like
they definitely had their opportunities and they looked like they
were a dominant team. France just found a way to
hang in there in a couple of you know, brilliant
plays kept them in the game, and obviously the boot
as well, keeping them those those few penalty kicks ahead
put pressure on the All Blacks in terms of scoreboard.
But the All Blacks will be gutted because they definitely
(08:05):
put themselves in a position to win the game. And
in France, you know, you saw the pre match, the crowd,
thing of the national anthem, the theatrics of the French
rugby like it's just an incredible spectacle to be involved in.
And I think they'll be gutted, but they also be
proud of their effort and they've got to get back
on the horse pretty quickly. I'm not saying it leads
an easy game, so I certainly have to roll their
(08:26):
sleeves up and I'm sure they'll make a few changes
and warsan opportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I know your family's vying for your attention, Brad. I
appreciate you taking some time on your Sunday afternoon mate.
Thanks thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, it's all good. Thanks having me finally appreciating that
all the best, mate, cheers.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's Brad Shields, England International Hurricanes captain and a pretty
astute rugby observer.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from newstalk zed B. What is left ends?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So Williams at the back for Jordan, Jordan for Luckheid
all LEFTENSI Cana pot.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Buck into the twenty two Brady Savia to second field.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But to blast hime a black run.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Peter, Why.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
It's been on the park for six minutes. That's your
black first.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Right, Yeah, Peter Luck I had to come on in
the second minute after Summer Penny female was forced off,
got a try off the run of a or off
the back of a barn storming run from Arrissa Via.
End of the day though, France thirty All Blacks twenty nine,
Let's bring in former England international, hugely experienced Hurricanes and
Wellington loose forward Brad Shields. Brad, thanks for joining us, mate,
(00:52):
France thirty All Blacks twenty nine. What was your overall
assessment of what you saw from the All Blacks this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Thanks having me Piney and I suppose it's good afternoon
after mid Dava. Yeah, it was a bloody good test
matcher for and I don't think people I definitely predicted
the way the game was going to go. But I
just think, you know, the All Blacks sort of just
maybe let themselves down a couple of times just with
finishing off and if they've got a couple of things
(01:19):
finished then it could have been a completely different story tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Absolutely, So I mean when you go to analyze things
like that, I mean, mistakes are going to happen and
pressure moments, aren't they It's there's nothing they could have
done differently apart from it youn't maybe held onto the ball.
But mistakes happened, don't they. And I appreciate situations.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's exactly it. And I guess the difference when you
make a mistake is front toppled on it, you know,
like that sort of one mistake from All Blacks and
then the France ended up scoring Try as you know,
the worst possible outcome for a mistake, and sometimes that's
the way it goes, and you know that sometimes they
don't go away, and unfortunately tonight it didn't happen for
(01:59):
the All Blacks. But like I said, a huge Test
match and obviously being very biased, you played a little
clip there from Peter Larchey go and try and you
know I was jumping out of my seat for him.
It was a massive occasion for him and his family.
So it's cool to see him go on early.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, I've written down his name to ask you about.
You've obviously had an up close view of his development
at super rugby level. What what have you made of Peter?
Like I from you know, from playing alongside him and
watching him develop.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, I guess for me, he's just a guy that
just rolls his sleeves up and does his work. And
he's got a bit of exceector as well. And like
you saw tonight, like he's obviously scored a try, but
he didn't didn't necessarily do anything you know, explosive or
I mean so not explosive like expect this sort of
thing tonight. But he did his job really well. And
you notice when you got the ball and carry like
the leg drive and went to fight for another extra
(02:48):
few meters and and some of his work off the ball,
like I don't know, it's got watch certain players off
the ball, but if you watch what he works around
the sead like he's just a relentless work create and
that's exactly what you saw. And the Hurricanes and you
know when he played for Wenington as well, like his
ability to be where the ball is and how he
scored his try is if you watch him off the ball,
he's just really merried to go.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I guess there's a spot opening up in the seven
jumper for the All Blacks. We know Sam Kains leaving Artie.
Look he could play there obviously and started with the
seven on his back tonight, but might be number eight.
Do you think Peter like I might have his his
nose in front even from this performance to perhaps get
a crack at at wearing seven and the first few
Test matches of next year.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Oh, you'd like to think so, and I guess. And
the biggest test of them obviously, you know, playing for
the All Blacks is huge, but I do think for
his future development, the biggest test for him, which we
back up another good Super Rugby season with another good season.
And that's where you notice I reckon players who accelerate
as they have back to back seasons that are real
positive because it's quite I'm not saying it's easy, but
(03:51):
you know, he's relatively fresh, relatively young, playing really good rugby.
When teams start to figure out how they play and
who's a big threat in the team. You know they'll
start to target players up Pete So for him to accelerate,
I reckon his career it will be the Super Rugby season.
The difference from a good shot at AVS as well.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, looking forward to that, I want to ask you
you've captained sides the decision right near the end, on
in the seventy fifth minute at four points down to
take the shot at goal to close it up to
thirty twenty nine. When when you're a captain in a
situation like that, where you've got an option you can
take the points, you can kick for the line and
maybe try and get the seven pointer, what sort of
things factor into your decision making at a time like that.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, I guess you straight away to think about where
the game's gone and how the game's gone. And if
you think about the All Blacks attacking their line, like
they struggle to score points and in terms of they
get really really close and then they'd get turned over
or a penalty or something like that, Like I think
with the next role against it might have been against
(04:53):
All Blacks maybe, But there's the certain things you think
about throughout the game and you get to that point
you're like, well, what are we going to do. We're
going to back ourselves to get back down here. They
look dominant, like the All Blacks look like they're on
the front foot. So you know, you've still got a
chunk of time on the game left. But unfortunately, I
think you said before Raserhead you know, had to get
off their deck fence, and they struggled to get out
of their twenty two in the deck end of the game.
(05:14):
So decisions always get screwed on the outcome. And you know,
whether they should have taken it or not, I'm not
I'm not really sure it was them on the field,
so they obviously had a good discussion before it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, Well, as you say, decisions get screwedinized on outcome.
That's such a good phrase. I'm going to write that
down and use that and the years the years ahead
shield good one. What about the decision then to withdraw
cam rouyguard five minutes or sorry, ten minutes into the
second half? What did you make of that?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, again, obviously pretty bass. I would have loved to
see him go for another you know, ten minutes at least,
I think he was in control of the game. And uh,
and obviously it's unfortunate for Atima because you know, a
couple of calls didn't go his way when he got
on the field, like there was the five second watches.
But sometimes a little bit unfortunate, but you know, the
referee was pretty clear and that push your team under
(06:03):
a little bit of pressure. But you know he's a
great player as well, and he got a huge spark
and brings a lot of energy into the game. So
again that's the same thing. You know, like you bring
guys on for impact, and the last few weeks that
All Blacks have been in a really good position and
the guys on the bench have finished the game for
them really strong. You know, sometimes a few things go
(06:24):
against you and I yeah, I mean, like I said,
I would have loved camp here a few more minutes.
But obviously the coach seas I think Differdon wants to
make that change and Cortiz as a good player, so
you're going to put those guys on so they know
they're going to finish job.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
How did you assess the All Black scrum tonight?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I thought they were a bit unlucky a couple of times.
Obviously early on they got a penalty against them. Wasn't
probably as forceful as it has been maybe, But at
the same time it looked like the ref was just
trying to let the game go a little bit. And
there was that one I think towards the back end
of the game where they've got a decent shun to
on it went down to ground and he just wanted
them to play it. So yeah, but a bit of
(07:05):
a mixed bag, I think. And usually with your set piece,
if you're real dominant, like towards the back end of
a couple of games, Like I said, those three front rollers,
come on, they changed the game through scrum against England,
and I think they just just a little bit off,
but not to say it wasn't a good weapon, but
get it utilized as much as maybe they would have liked.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All right, And yesterday we were talking about these three
big test matches England, Island, France and I think going North,
a lot of people said, Okay, win two out of
the three and that's a pretty good outcome. The All
Blacks have one two out of three. But do you
think they'll they'll consider today was an opportunity loss to
you know, to Grand slam the Northern Tour.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I definitely think so. And like I said earlier, like
they definitely had their opportunities and they looked like they
were a dominant team. France just found a way to
hang in there in a couple of you know, brilliant
plays kept them in the game, and obviously the boot
as well, keeping them those those few penalty kicks ahead
put pressure on the All Blacks in terms of scoreboard.
But the All Blacks will be gutted because they definitely
(08:05):
put themselves in a position to win the game. And
in France, you know, you saw the pre match, the crowd,
thing of the national anthem, the theatrics of the French
rugby like it's just an incredible spectacle to be involved in.
And I think they'll be gutted, but they also be
proud of their effort and they've got to get back
on the horse pretty quickly. I'm not saying it leads
an easy game, so I certainly have to roll their
(08:26):
sleeves up and I'm sure they'll make a few changes
and warsan opportunity.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I know your family's vying for your attention, Brad. I
appreciate you taking some time on your Sunday afternoon mate.
Thanks thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, it's all good. Thanks having me finally appreciating that
all the best, mate, cheers.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's Brad Shields, England International Hurricanes captain and a pretty
astute rugby observer.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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