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August 24, 2024 • 14 mins

Team New Zealand has qualified for the final of the final preliminary regatta ahead of the America's Cup in Barcelona.

With one round remaining, Luna Rossa shapes as the Kiwis' likely opponent for the final.

Sailing commentator Chris Steele join Piney to discuss if New Zealand has what it takes to come out on top.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from News talk edb TA Barcelona.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Team New Zealand's still unbeaten after three days of the
America's Cup warm up regatta.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
So on a day when the wind has just tailed
off at the end of it, Camert's team is either
the defender of the Louis Viton thirty seven of the
America's Cup have done pretty much at the job, a
flawless job on a lyingy red bull Racing. They will
go into Sunday with a perfect record.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
They are four from four out the Kiwi cru beating
Switzerland's a Lingey Racing by more than a minute, maintaining
their spot at the top of the leader board. Just
one more round robin race to go. That's tomorrow against
American Magic before the top two teams compete in the final.
Luna Rossa is second on the table three wins and
a loss. American Magic are third with a two to

(00:59):
two split. Now the Louis Vuton Cup round robin starts
next week. The semi final is scheduled for September fourteen
through twenty three, and the Louis Verton Final. To find
the Challenger between September twenty six and October seven. The
best of thirteen race series for the thirty seventh America's
Cup will be raced from October twelve through twenty seven.

(01:23):
Let's bring in top match racing sailor and America's Cup
commentator Chris Steele, who was a huge part of News
Talks Heed best coverage of the last America's Cup regatta
in Auckland back in twenty twenty one. Chris, thanks for
taking the time. First of all, what's the reason for
holding this preliminary regatta.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Well, think it's a curtain raiser.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
It's actually kind of as much for the organizers it
is for the teams, giving them.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
A chance to get race ready.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
So make sure all the software packages are working with
the race management software for the starts and timings and
all that sort of stuff. Then make sure that the
communications with the umpires and course masters.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
And all that work as well.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
From the race side of it, it's basically.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Practice run on that throne.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
And then for the teams it gives them a chance to, yeah,
to line up and make sure that they can get
their boats sort of race ready, and I guess compete
in an environment where there's nothing quite on the line
just yet, But like you said, it's only it's only
a week or so away before that they actually start
racing for proper points, so yeah, a lot of time
to make changes if they're having issues, which we have

(02:32):
seen in the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So will the teams be showing their full hand or not,
It's hard to say.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
I think certainly you can probably say that the Kiwis
definitely won't be. They've got quite a bit more time
up the leave before they start racing for points they
actually count. But I think for the other teams they'll
be sailing as probably hard as they can. But whether
or not they're they're showing all their cards in terms
of the performance of the boat is another question.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
But I think the conditions are.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Definitely something that's playing a big part and the series.
We've already seen a range of conditions there in Barcelona
with the Sea States, and I think it's interesting to
see the different performances of the teams as those conditions shown.
So yeah, it hasn't been too telling, i think from
the last couple of days of racing, but I think

(03:24):
it's definitely going to look a lot closer this time
around than it was last.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
All right, I want to talk more about the conditions soon,
but Team New Zealand is defend to set the rules,
and they've set them to allow themselves to compete in
both the preliminary regatta and the first rounds of the
Louis Vuitton Challenger Series. Why have they done that? Do
you think?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
I think you know if you look at how complicated
these pots are and how much they're developing in such
short spaces the time, that the best reference that you're
always going to be able to get is actually physically
sailing them. They do a lot of the simulation behind
closed doors, as we saw on the last American Cut.
When you actually get out there and start racing physically

(04:06):
against another boat, you don't really get a chance to
physically test all your systems and your numbers as accurately.
So I guess being able to race in the Challenges
Series is probably the biggest advantage for them, is just
being able to get race ready so that the practice
of the match racing situations and also a chance to

(04:29):
gauge where they're at in relation to their competitors.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
So I'll learn a lot in that time.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
On which areas their boat's going to be faster and
stronger in different conditions, in different ways that they can
set it up. And then yeah, again, when they get
to the America's Cup and they actually starting racing for points,
they'll have a much better idea of where their boat
sort of stacks up against everyone else's.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Do you think the decision to take part this early
was partly based on twenty twenty one when they didn't
and we're a bit rusty to start in the America's
Cup match? What was it three all? I think after
six races, wasn't it? Before they won the next four?
Do you think twenty one would have played a part
in the decision making this time?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Actually, I think if you look back to that last
America's Cup here in New Zealand, I think that the
Key has definitely had a slightly faster boat in most areas,
But the Italians came out of the blocks really strong,
just with the way they were sailing it. They sailed
a couple of really good races and they said it
was three all at one point, and I think there's

(05:32):
actually the seventh race that the Italians were sort of
leading coming to that last top mark, they could have
actually potentially won four races there and who knows what
could have happened after that. So I think it's a smart,
smart move from Teamy Zellen to put themselves into the
Challenges series. And like I said, you know, they don't
have to show all their cards in terms of how

(05:55):
fast the boat can go, but they'll they'll learn a
lot from the boatom but Matt racing and where they
stack up against the other teams.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Chatting America's Cup with Chris Steele, Chris the AC seventy five.
Are they basically the same as what's use in sal GP?

Speaker 4 (06:09):
No, they're quite different.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
So sal GP is basically the f fifty canamarans, so
so fifty foot canamarans that they use berm so the
Bermuda America's Cup back in I think it's twenty seventeen
and they compared all those boats, made them one design.
So obviously the seventy five Minor Hells at the sale

(06:30):
in the America's Cup are a fur bit bigger and
yeah just single hell so still foiling, but yeah, quite
quite a visually different to look at and in terms.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Of sailing them. Then will the core team new Zelling
crew including Peter Berlin, Bleadchirck and others who have spent
the last year or so in sal GP. Will will
that give them an advantage in a failing boat at
the America's Cup.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
It would definitely give them advantage in terms of being
able to sell another foiling boat paths around the racetrack.
But all those teams have been competed in sal GP
as well. I think probably the only only sort of
team that doesn't have the solid sort of core group
on Savad Gip which are also in the Americans Cup
would be the American team. You've obviously got Tom Slingsby

(07:18):
who drives the Australian team there, but then the rest
of the team are Americans, and I don't think any
of those guys are on the Sauer Gip boat there,
so they're probably the one different different team that regards.
But I think they've done a lot of failing to
get it all ready, and you know, all those guys
do a lot of foiling, so I wouldn't think that

(07:40):
we planned it too much.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Team New Zealand also shared their boat design package with
the new French Challenger orient Express Racing. Will they be
able to learn much from watching the French sail and
the Louis Vuton or will it be more about what
they do themselves in the Louisvouton.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
I think they will, yeah, because and I've been sort
of watching the French in the last couple of days
quite quite closely, because I think the French will Destiny
pushing pretty hard. So the boats are very similar visually.
I'm sure there's some differences in the way that the
software and the systems on board the boats are sort

(08:16):
of wide and run, but I think the performance from
the from the French is probably as close to the
Keys as what you're going to see from from any
the other teams. So and they've looked fast. I mean,
I think I don't expect them to go very far
in the competition, just because they're basically it's their first
first edition in the coup and and these boats, and

(08:37):
you can kind of see with the racing that's already
happened that they're they're quite far behind in terms of
just getting the time on distance and things like the
maneuvers and stuff as tidy as everyone else. And ultimately
that's kind of what's cost them in a couple of races,
they're combined with things like gear failure and systems failures.
But in terms of straight line boat speed, they've they've

(08:59):
looked really aggressive. So I facen, I guess learn how
to sell the boat a little bit more consistently and
be a little bit better with their timings. I think,
you know, they'll be quite a strong team, but yeah,
like I said, I think the experience might just be
a little bit too much for them to go, you know,
that far in the competition this time around.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Ta Luna Rossa feel to you like the most likely
team that Team Newsyland will face in the America's Cup match.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah, I think the short answer would be yes. I
think they look definitely probably the most polished. And I
think that the Italian boat this time around has kind
of gone a little bit towards where the team is
yelland boat was last time. And I think the team's
Yellenberg last time has kind of come back towards Luna.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Roster and as well.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
So the two boats look a lot more similar. They're
still quite different, but I think performance wise, I mean,
we barely got to see them race the other day,
but at the early signs in that first race that
they had were very very similar in terms of performance.
So I think on paper, the Italians are probably the strongest,
and then I think the Americans are probably the dark horse.

(10:04):
I think their package it probably looks the most different
to all the other teams. They've gone down a different
pathway with the recumbent cyclers and in a very sleek,
sort of aerodynamic looking boat. The question will be whether
or not those cyclers can produce as much power and
if they can manage that around the racetrack, then you know,

(10:25):
will the boat be that much better That the performances
is enough to see them sort of come through with
a bit of an upset.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
So recumbent cycling, so they're not so they're lying down effectively,
not setting up like a normal like a normal on
a normal bike.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, threat so they're basically lying on their back and
facing backwards in the boat, so they can get a
lot lower in the boat, so that they're basically the
whole profile of the boat is a lot smaller, it's
a lot more aerodynamic based around that. So, I mean
the other teams have already sort of come out and
said that they looked into that and they the numbers

(10:59):
that they thought that recumblent cyclers were producing in terms
of the output when it's high, But the Americans seem
to think that that their cycles are able to put
out numbers that are good enough. So I think if
they can get the boat around the racetrack without running
out of power basically, then it'll be interesting to see
see how quickly those guys can can go.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Man, they'll be improving the rabs of nothing else. This
regatta happens a sparcelin of transitions from summer to autumn.
You talked before about variation and race conditions. Is that
likely to make them even more variable even within a race?

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Well, I mean that's probably one of the only through
of disappointing things that I was sort of taken over
the last couple of days out of watching the race moment.
As the racetracks very one sided, but the shore side
of the courses there's pretty much a geographical right sort
of shift. So generally speaking, I think every boat that's

(11:56):
that's won the right hand side of the course of
the start line has I think gone on to win
the race, And I haven't actually seen any any passes
around the racetrack, so hopefully that the course gets a
little bit more even, but I think that the pressure,
the wind strength and the wave conditions are probably the
biggest factor, and the performance of the boats changes so quickly.

(12:20):
It's such a narrow window when you get it right
and when you get it wrong. And so I think
we haven't seen the sort of bigger waves that you
can get at Barcelona just yet in this current series.
But I think if the sea state gets up there,
which it can, then I think the racing be very exciting.
I think you see teams having some big skills and crashes,

(12:40):
and there'll be some big games and losses to be
made which will be exciting to watch.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Just to finish, I think we'd all obviously prefer for
this to be happening on why Timight to Harbor Again,
I don't necessarily want to relitigate that, but do you
think it'll be harder for a keywis back here to
connect with this regatta because it's so far away and
the racing happens in the middle of the night.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean for sure.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Obviously a midnight start time is not going to be
something that every day people are going to be, you know,
knocking off their work hours.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
To go and sort of watch in the middle of
the night.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
But you know, I guess one thing that I've kind
of learned over the years with Kiwi sporters. We're a
pretty proud nation, and anytime you know Kiwis are excelling
on a world stage at a high level, everyone seems
to get behind it. So whether or not that that
happens with the timing or not, I think we'll be
in to see. But obviously the race we're being free

(13:36):
to air now that certainly helps a lot of people
as well. So hopefully, yeah, everyone gets out and watches
it and gets behind the Kiwis again, and who knows
if they can pull off another woman and hopefully they
can bring it back here and they can all watch
it on the shores of the one.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
And made other.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, well, let's hope that is the case. Chris. Personally,
I'm not sure that that is in our future. Let's
try and win it first or defend it, and then
we'll see where the next defense takes place. Really appreciate
your time, thanks, Chris. Chris Steele is a former match
rice up of huge ability and a very very astute
sailing commentators. You could tell from our chat

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