May 2, 2025 • 12 mins
The Wallabies have their coach for the 2027 World Cup.
Reds coach Les Kiss will take over from Joe Schmidt when he steps down mid-way through next year.
Former Wallaby Drew Mitchell offers his thoughts on the appointment.
He also delved into what's led to the improvement in form of the Australian Super Rugby teams, and where James O'Connor sits in the Wallabies pecking order.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk ZEDB in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
To get us underway, this our Queensland Reds coach Les Kiss,
speaking of the Reds, has been named as new Wallaby's coach,
but he won't replace Joe Schmidt until the middle of
next year. A Joshmitt you'll remember announced in February he
was stepping down at the end of this year's Rugby Championship,
but now he will stay in the role until after
(00:35):
the Australian leg of the New Nation's Cup in twenty
twenty six. Les Kiss meantime we'll see out his contract
with the Reds, which includes the twenty twenty six Super
Rugby season. He will then take over the Wallabies from
mid next year until the end of twenty twenty eight,
which includes of course, the home World Cup. In twenty
(00:55):
twenty seven. Joshmitt will coach the side for this year's
British and Irish Lines Tour, the Rugby Championship and the
Northern Tour. Australia's all time leading World Cup tri score
up is outside back Drew Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Mitchell Drew mittol think himself cause you did it take it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Over in the European Cup final. Amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Mitt Ale has the cover fritic.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And that is Sony chick baits.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
What a break from Mitchell floating around the back of
this more here he is too many runners and Mitchell
just takes the line on the inside flailing Argentina defense.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh he could have finished it off himself.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That unselfishly gives the pass an ugly left hand, but.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It gets there.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hear.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
One of the great players to wear the Wallabies Jeersey
Drew Mitchell who joins us now across New Zealand. Drew,
thanks for taking the time Lee's Kiss to coach the
Wallabies from mid next year. Is this a good outcome?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah? I think it's the best out that we could
have hoped for. I think all parties involved with Joe
Schmidt Let's Kiss, but also the Queensland Reds and Wallabies
all get what they need and what's best for them.
And what I like about Lee's Kiss's appointment is the
continuity that it is possible from Joe Schmidt's departure into
(02:25):
Lead's Kiss taking over. They've worked together previously, they work
really well together and I think honestly that Let's Kiss
is the type of guy that will lean on Joe
Schmidt as an advisor throughout his time as the Wallaby
head coach as well. So Joe's done some amazing things
with the team so far and lay some really solid foundations,
and I just think again that continuity going into Let's
(02:47):
will bring his own sort of style and own touch
to it, but it won't be complete upheaval of the
program and start again, and I think that's what's best
for what the Wallaby's need right now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How much involvement official or unofficial in the Wallabies do
you expect Liz Chris to have this year and at
the start of next year, look, I.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Think probably the end of season tour, maybe the Rugby
Championship to some degree as well. Le's Kiss will will
sort of be around the environment. I know that last
year he was in the coach's box a couple of
times on the end of season tour as well, so
you know, maybe at that point is for professional development,
but I think I'm moving forward. He'll just sort of
(03:27):
get in there and just sort of see how Joe
Schmitt's operating and also get to understand some of the
players from the other States obviously sort of a really
good understanding of Queens and Reds guys, but just to
be able to sort of sit there and lean on
the knowledge that Joe Schmid has of these players on
and off the field of preparation, all that type of thing,
what drives them, what mightivates them, all that sort of thing,
(03:48):
so that when he does take over, he's best prepared.
Because like you said in the opener, Les Kiss will
be at the home during the home World Cup in
twenty seven, So any type of insight that he can
get an understanding I will only serve him for going
down the shark.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He does take over, it'll be about fourteen months until
the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup. Will that be
enough time for the least Kiss?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Oh? Well, I guess Tom will tell I certainly think
of the modern daylight and like we just sort of said,
Les will have some type of involvement for sure, and
he's also got now like a clear un raih he'll
have an understanding of when he's going to take over
and he'll be able to put things in place to
put himself and the Wallabies team in the best position
possible for the home World Cup. That being said, obviously
(04:41):
the rugby landscape is very competitive at the moment, and
you know many teams are going to be at that
twenty seven World Cup knocking on the door and with
the potential to go and win it, So Joe, I mean,
and also I guess the limited time that international coaches
get in the nature of the world rugby landscape these days,
through Super Rugby and that type of thing, every little
(05:01):
opportunity or every training camp during those times will be crucial.
And I'm sure you know now that he knows when
he's going to be in the role, he's got a
little bit of time before that actually happens. He can
really plan that out as best as possible.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
This seems to have been a fairly popular appointment. How
is Liz Kiss regarded in Australian rugby circles.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, I think he's highly regarded. I mean, obviously hasn't
been a head coach of an international side just yet,
but you've got to You've got to be in that
position to prove what you're worth. And I think everything
that Let's Kiss is done with the Queensland Reds is
putting a lot of confidence in those that made the appointment,
but I think also just less as a human being,
(05:44):
very much like Joe Schmidt, like he cares about the players.
You know, he's a solid, solid guy. He's an honest guy,
but also obviously drives some pretty hard standards as well.
But I think just speaking to some of the Queensland
Red's boys that have played under him in the last
couple of years, they all speak very highly and he's
just really big on that sort of a connection piece,
really connecting with these players, understanding who they are and
(06:07):
what drives them, and off the back of that he
really gets the best out of him. So yeah, I
think there's is certainly a popular appointment and hopefully we
see him, you know, have some success with the guys
in the goal.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Has Joe Schmidt improved the Wallabies?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I think undoubtedly. I mean when he took over
from Eddie Jones's second Sinners Whallaby coach, you know, things
weren't necessarily in a great position after the you know,
was disasterrous twenty twenty three World Cup campaign. But I
think he's just you know, he's toot a lot of
confidence in the guys. There's probably faborited doubt in a
lot of these players' minds and also a little bit
(06:47):
of uncertainty of the nature of where there at the
World Cup selection and some of the stuff that was
going on with Eddie Jones. So it's a real sort
of steading of the ship with Joe Schmitt, and he
really looks to be getting the best out of out
of the players. And I think also like if you
look at Super Rugby this year, the Eustrail seems a
much more petitive. Whilst it was bad to the Melbourne Rebels,
(07:09):
you know, it's sort of been absorbed. It meant that
that talent has been filtered through the other teams and
I think we've certainly seen the benefit of that this
year so far and the Super Rugby with you know,
I guess how competitive we've been compared to the previous years.
So off the back of that, Joe Schmitt has done
a great job and I think, you know, we're in
a much better position now going into this line series
(07:31):
in July than we were twelve months ago.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'm going to ask about the lines to something that
doesn't happen very often, only what's every twelve years? How
much excitement and anticipation is there about this upcoming series.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, I think it's huge. I think everyone's sort of
got a bit of an eye on it and frantically
getting around trying to secure tickets, but also just really
understand where you're going to spend your time because there's
just so much going on, you know, throughout that Line's tour,
but I think also from north of the Equator as well.
I mean, these those supporters of the Lines haven't been
(08:04):
able to tour for eight years because of COVID in
twenty twenty one through the South African tour, so they
won't allowed any any fans there, so like all the
touring supporters are really pumped for their first tour in
a long time as well. So it's just bringing you know,
so much excitement to the game, which is what rugby's
(08:26):
really needed here in Australia. Obviously it's a pretty competitive
market and we haven't been very successful for a period now,
so this is sort of, you know, not to use
that pretty common phrase, it is the shot in the
arm with that rugby needs here in Australia and.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
As you mentioned before, drew all four Australian sides playing
well in Super Rugby still in the playoff mix with
three or four rounds to go, what if you made
up the strength of the Australian sides and Super rugby
this year.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, I mean I've been really impressed. I think the
Reds and the Brumbies are probably the two that are
standing out at the moment for the Australian teams. But
in saying that, the New South Asoritars, you know, they've
got some talent there, so they clicked they can really
make a run as well. But Western Force obviously not
so good last night against the Blues, really competive last
(09:16):
couple of games, to be fair on their trip to
New Zealand, they've been really good til halftime and sort
of just dropped off and it has blown out a
little bit in the second half, but that's probably just
sort of speaks to the injury decks that they're dealing
with at the moment. But just on that one really quickly,
I've just thought it was so great to see my
mate Curtly bal after ten months out with the Rutsch
oft Achilles and just come in and play seventy minutes
(09:38):
and be really really solid and score a try. So
that was that was also great to see.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, I saw some cool stuff on your Instagram as
you were cheering them on. You it was even over
the side that I can tell you it was great
to see a guy like Curly Beal back out there.
What about James O'Connor drew, he's turning into the Crusaders.
Any chance he plays for the Wallabies this year, we look.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think there's definitely conversations that would be be hard
with Joe Schmidt and whoever else is involved in terms
of selection. He meets the criteria. I think he's I
just think that moved to the Crusaders was exactly what
he needed. And I'm also is super proud of just
the way that he's sort of been embraced by the
Crusaders fan base and the players as well. There's been
(10:22):
some moments that James has had in those games where
you just see he's a really valued member of that
team and how they sort of really embraced him. And
obviously then he's experienced coming off the bench. I just
think he's he's found a role that really suits him
with where he's at in his career right now in
terms of coming on being able to manage a game,
you know, put the team in the right positions, but
(10:43):
also have the cool, calm collectiveness to be able to
close out a game, which we saw just a couple
of weeks ago and he hit that penalty goal to
win it. So I think when you're looking at it,
the Lions here is most likely he's going to be
pretty tight. And if you've got an experienced guy like
that coming off your bench to close out a game,
a guy that's been there before, and you know he
wasn't able to be successful in twenty thirteen when the
(11:05):
Lions Here lasts, but you know, like he'd love a
chance to go out there and try and you know,
square up the Ledger and get a win this series.
I think that James I kind of needs to be
considered for sure, all.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right, And just before you go, I see, it's also
a decade since one of your wins at too Long.
You had great success over there during your time two
a lot of things at ten years to the day
that your one. Was it back to back to back
championships or something.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, that's right. So I think you're paying Champions Cup
obviously the semifinals on this weekend, and it just so
happens that ten years to the day that we beat
Clemont in our third title back to back to back,
like you said, so yeah, some great memories and also
just like it gives you an opportunity, I guess when
sometimes you hit these little milestones and memories sort of
(11:52):
come up on your Instagram or whatever, just to kind
of go back and reflect on some of those times
and the players. I was able to play alongside some
real sort of you know, great players of the game,
but also just great humans. So yeah, it's been nice
and also fires the old group chats with the old
Salon team mates and we get to sort of get
to relived a few of the moments on the field,
(12:13):
but also afterwards as well. So it's a special time outstanding.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Hey, Drew, thanks for joining us across New Zealand today.
We can't wait from the side of the testma to
see how the year plays out in terms of the
Wallabies up against the lines. Thanks for taking time.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
For it yet today Noice, thanks having me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
No, thanks for joining us Dree Drew Mitchell there the
leading World Cup triscorer still for Australia went to three
World Cups.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk z B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk ZEDB in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
To get us underway, this our Queensland Reds coach Les Kiss,
speaking of the Reds, has been named as new Wallaby's coach,
but he won't replace Joe Schmidt until the middle of
next year. A Joshmitt you'll remember announced in February he
was stepping down at the end of this year's Rugby Championship,
but now he will stay in the role until after
(00:35):
the Australian leg of the New Nation's Cup in twenty
twenty six. Les Kiss meantime we'll see out his contract
with the Reds, which includes the twenty twenty six Super
Rugby season. He will then take over the Wallabies from
mid next year until the end of twenty twenty eight,
which includes of course, the home World Cup. In twenty
(00:55):
twenty seven. Joshmitt will coach the side for this year's
British and Irish Lines Tour, the Rugby Championship and the
Northern Tour. Australia's all time leading World Cup tri score
up is outside back Drew Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Mitchell Drew mittol think himself cause you did it take it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Over in the European Cup final. Amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Mitt Ale has the cover fritic.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And that is Sony chick baits.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
What a break from Mitchell floating around the back of
this more here he is too many runners and Mitchell
just takes the line on the inside flailing Argentina defense.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh he could have finished it off himself.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That unselfishly gives the pass an ugly left hand, but.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It gets there.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hear.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
One of the great players to wear the Wallabies Jeersey
Drew Mitchell who joins us now across New Zealand. Drew,
thanks for taking the time Lee's Kiss to coach the
Wallabies from mid next year. Is this a good outcome?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah? I think it's the best out that we could
have hoped for. I think all parties involved with Joe
Schmidt Let's Kiss, but also the Queensland Reds and Wallabies
all get what they need and what's best for them.
And what I like about Lee's Kiss's appointment is the
continuity that it is possible from Joe Schmidt's departure into
(02:25):
Lead's Kiss taking over. They've worked together previously, they work
really well together and I think honestly that Let's Kiss
is the type of guy that will lean on Joe
Schmidt as an advisor throughout his time as the Wallaby
head coach as well. So Joe's done some amazing things
with the team so far and lay some really solid foundations,
and I just think again that continuity going into Let's
(02:47):
will bring his own sort of style and own touch
to it, but it won't be complete upheaval of the
program and start again, and I think that's what's best
for what the Wallaby's need right now.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
How much involvement official or unofficial in the Wallabies do
you expect Liz Chris to have this year and at
the start of next year, look, I.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Think probably the end of season tour, maybe the Rugby
Championship to some degree as well. Le's Kiss will will
sort of be around the environment. I know that last
year he was in the coach's box a couple of
times on the end of season tour as well, so
you know, maybe at that point is for professional development,
but I think I'm moving forward. He'll just sort of
(03:27):
get in there and just sort of see how Joe
Schmitt's operating and also get to understand some of the
players from the other States obviously sort of a really
good understanding of Queens and Reds guys, but just to
be able to sort of sit there and lean on
the knowledge that Joe Schmid has of these players on
and off the field of preparation, all that type of thing,
what drives them, what mightivates them, all that sort of thing,
(03:48):
so that when he does take over, he's best prepared.
Because like you said in the opener, Les Kiss will
be at the home during the home World Cup in
twenty seven, So any type of insight that he can
get an understanding I will only serve him for going
down the shark.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He does take over, it'll be about fourteen months until
the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup. Will that be
enough time for the least Kiss?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Oh? Well, I guess Tom will tell I certainly think
of the modern daylight and like we just sort of said,
Les will have some type of involvement for sure, and
he's also got now like a clear un raih he'll
have an understanding of when he's going to take over
and he'll be able to put things in place to
put himself and the Wallabies team in the best position
possible for the home World Cup. That being said, obviously
(04:41):
the rugby landscape is very competitive at the moment, and
you know many teams are going to be at that
twenty seven World Cup knocking on the door and with
the potential to go and win it, So Joe, I mean,
and also I guess the limited time that international coaches
get in the nature of the world rugby landscape these days,
through Super Rugby and that type of thing, every little
(05:01):
opportunity or every training camp during those times will be crucial.
And I'm sure you know now that he knows when
he's going to be in the role, he's got a
little bit of time before that actually happens. He can
really plan that out as best as possible.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
This seems to have been a fairly popular appointment. How
is Liz Kiss regarded in Australian rugby circles.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, I think he's highly regarded. I mean, obviously hasn't
been a head coach of an international side just yet,
but you've got to You've got to be in that
position to prove what you're worth. And I think everything
that Let's Kiss is done with the Queensland Reds is
putting a lot of confidence in those that made the appointment,
but I think also just less as a human being,
(05:44):
very much like Joe Schmidt, like he cares about the players.
You know, he's a solid, solid guy. He's an honest guy,
but also obviously drives some pretty hard standards as well.
But I think just speaking to some of the Queensland
Red's boys that have played under him in the last
couple of years, they all speak very highly and he's
just really big on that sort of a connection piece,
really connecting with these players, understanding who they are and
(06:07):
what drives them, and off the back of that he
really gets the best out of him. So yeah, I
think there's is certainly a popular appointment and hopefully we
see him, you know, have some success with the guys
in the goal.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Has Joe Schmidt improved the Wallabies?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I think undoubtedly. I mean when he took over
from Eddie Jones's second Sinners Whallaby coach, you know, things
weren't necessarily in a great position after the you know,
was disasterrous twenty twenty three World Cup campaign. But I
think he's just you know, he's toot a lot of
confidence in the guys. There's probably faborited doubt in a
lot of these players' minds and also a little bit
(06:47):
of uncertainty of the nature of where there at the
World Cup selection and some of the stuff that was
going on with Eddie Jones. So it's a real sort
of steading of the ship with Joe Schmitt, and he
really looks to be getting the best out of out
of the players. And I think also like if you
look at Super Rugby this year, the Eustrail seems a
much more petitive. Whilst it was bad to the Melbourne Rebels,
(07:09):
you know, it's sort of been absorbed. It meant that
that talent has been filtered through the other teams and
I think we've certainly seen the benefit of that this
year so far and the Super Rugby with you know,
I guess how competitive we've been compared to the previous years.
So off the back of that, Joe Schmitt has done
a great job and I think, you know, we're in
a much better position now going into this line series
(07:31):
in July than we were twelve months ago.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I'm going to ask about the lines to something that
doesn't happen very often, only what's every twelve years? How
much excitement and anticipation is there about this upcoming series.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, I think it's huge. I think everyone's sort of
got a bit of an eye on it and frantically
getting around trying to secure tickets, but also just really
understand where you're going to spend your time because there's
just so much going on, you know, throughout that Line's tour,
but I think also from north of the Equator as well.
I mean, these those supporters of the Lines haven't been
(08:04):
able to tour for eight years because of COVID in
twenty twenty one through the South African tour, so they
won't allowed any any fans there, so like all the
touring supporters are really pumped for their first tour in
a long time as well. So it's just bringing you know,
so much excitement to the game, which is what rugby's
(08:26):
really needed here in Australia. Obviously it's a pretty competitive
market and we haven't been very successful for a period now,
so this is sort of, you know, not to use
that pretty common phrase, it is the shot in the
arm with that rugby needs here in Australia and.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
As you mentioned before, drew all four Australian sides playing
well in Super Rugby still in the playoff mix with
three or four rounds to go, what if you made
up the strength of the Australian sides and Super rugby
this year.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, I mean I've been really impressed. I think the
Reds and the Brumbies are probably the two that are
standing out at the moment for the Australian teams. But
in saying that, the New South Asoritars, you know, they've
got some talent there, so they clicked they can really
make a run as well. But Western Force obviously not
so good last night against the Blues, really competive last
(09:16):
couple of games, to be fair on their trip to
New Zealand, they've been really good til halftime and sort
of just dropped off and it has blown out a
little bit in the second half, but that's probably just
sort of speaks to the injury decks that they're dealing
with at the moment. But just on that one really quickly,
I've just thought it was so great to see my
mate Curtly bal after ten months out with the Rutsch
oft Achilles and just come in and play seventy minutes
(09:38):
and be really really solid and score a try. So
that was that was also great to see.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, I saw some cool stuff on your Instagram as
you were cheering them on. You it was even over
the side that I can tell you it was great
to see a guy like Curly Beal back out there.
What about James O'Connor drew, he's turning into the Crusaders.
Any chance he plays for the Wallabies this year, we look.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think there's definitely conversations that would be be hard
with Joe Schmidt and whoever else is involved in terms
of selection. He meets the criteria. I think he's I
just think that moved to the Crusaders was exactly what
he needed. And I'm also is super proud of just
the way that he's sort of been embraced by the
Crusaders fan base and the players as well. There's been
(10:22):
some moments that James has had in those games where
you just see he's a really valued member of that
team and how they sort of really embraced him. And
obviously then he's experienced coming off the bench. I just
think he's he's found a role that really suits him
with where he's at in his career right now in
terms of coming on being able to manage a game,
you know, put the team in the right positions, but
(10:43):
also have the cool, calm collectiveness to be able to
close out a game, which we saw just a couple
of weeks ago and he hit that penalty goal to
win it. So I think when you're looking at it,
the Lions here is most likely he's going to be
pretty tight. And if you've got an experienced guy like
that coming off your bench to close out a game,
a guy that's been there before, and you know he
wasn't able to be successful in twenty thirteen when the
(11:05):
Lions Here lasts, but you know, like he'd love a
chance to go out there and try and you know,
square up the Ledger and get a win this series.
I think that James I kind of needs to be
considered for sure, all.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right, And just before you go, I see, it's also
a decade since one of your wins at too Long.
You had great success over there during your time two
a lot of things at ten years to the day
that your one. Was it back to back to back
championships or something.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, that's right. So I think you're paying Champions Cup
obviously the semifinals on this weekend, and it just so
happens that ten years to the day that we beat
Clemont in our third title back to back to back,
like you said, so yeah, some great memories and also
just like it gives you an opportunity, I guess when
sometimes you hit these little milestones and memories sort of
(11:52):
come up on your Instagram or whatever, just to kind
of go back and reflect on some of those times
and the players. I was able to play alongside some
real sort of you know, great players of the game,
but also just great humans. So yeah, it's been nice
and also fires the old group chats with the old
Salon team mates and we get to sort of get
to relived a few of the moments on the field,
(12:13):
but also afterwards as well. So it's a special time outstanding.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Hey, Drew, thanks for joining us across New Zealand today.
We can't wait from the side of the testma to
see how the year plays out in terms of the
Wallabies up against the lines. Thanks for taking time.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
For it yet today Noice, thanks having me.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
No, thanks for joining us Dree Drew Mitchell there the
leading World Cup triscorer still for Australia went to three
World Cups.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk z B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!