July 13, 2024 • 9 mins
Beauden Barrett has delivered a masterclass off the bench to steer the All Blacks to a 24-17 test win over England.
The veteran fullback's 125th test match was one of his best, offering a game-changing 29 minutes of tactical kicking as well as setting up the go-ahead try by Mark Tele'a.
Former All Black and rugby commentator Frank Bunce joined Piney to recap the victory.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Crossfield kick looking for Tommy Freeman Freeman right is hi?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Tommy Freeman accident?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Was England try just on halftime? Terrific athleticism from Tommy
Freeman scoring England's second try just before halftime last night,
giving them a fourteen to thirteen lead at the break,
Mark Delaya's second try in the second half and Damion
McKenzie's two penalties getting the All Blacks home though twenty
four points to seventeen fifty five Tests sixty nine game.
(00:39):
Former All Black center Frank Buntz was in the News
Stalks heb commentary box alongside Elliott Smith last night. He
joins us, Now, Frank, can we start with Boden Barrett's influence?
How key was he to the result when he introduced
himself into the game with about half an hour ago?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, I think he was the key. You know, we
were floundering for a bit there and we needed the spark,
you know, and he came on and gave the energy,
as did I won't take away from Courtiers Romki either,
but you know, body came on and and you know,
we saw him back to his to his best. Really,
(01:18):
you know, it was a spark that we needed, bread
energy and and you know his his experience as well.
You know, he just knew where to be and when
to be there and what to do, so you know,
really got us out of a hole. I think, why
do you.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Think that spark was missing before he came on.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, it's it's a hard one. It's sometimes you know,
you get into games and it's not taken away from
England either, because you know, they force the game that
they play. You know, they they force you into into
doing a lot of things that you don't want to do.
And it just takes one individual and you know it
may even be only one moment, but it was. It
(01:58):
certainly wasn't lack of effort. I think, you know from
the All Blacks, but things just weren't clicking. And you know,
I don't know what it is, but someone comes on
and it takes it takes one kick, it takes one tackle,
that takes it's one moment, and you know, I think
that's what people talk about, is winning. You know, in
those games, it's it's winning the moments, winning the little things,
(02:24):
you know, and that's all it takes to turn people around.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Earlier in the game, how worried were you that the
thirty year unbeaten straight at Aden Park was going to fall.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Not so much in the first half, but certainly in
the second half. And I did say to Elliott that
I was. I was thinking, you know, to myself, I
was thinking, man, we're going to lose this. It's looking
like we were going to lose it. Then I looked
up and and I only the only reason I didn't
say it was because there was you know, there was
I think it was only about fifteen minutes into the
(02:58):
second half or something like that, and I was thinking,
it's too early, it's too early early to make a
call like that. But I did think it, So I wasn't,
you know, And I wasn't even worried about the you know,
the thirty years. I was worried about losing the game,
you know, at that time. But I actually played in
that that game thirty years ago too, which makes me feel,
(03:22):
you know, a way a lot older now. But uh,
you know that the good thing is that we we
we crawled our way out, you know, and had some
good moments, finished a whole lot stronger, and I think
the English did fade, you know a bit once the
All Black onslaughts sort of came and then you know,
(03:45):
enable us to get away. But certainly it did cross
my mind we were going to lose that test.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He talked about Body obviously, and he's he's the headline today.
But Courtiz without are coming on probably a bit earlier
than he would have expected us and like Christie having
to go off with an h I A. How impressed
were you with courtiz on debut?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh great, you know, he's he's just carried on from
his from his super rugby form and he's been he's
been there for you know, a couple of years. He's
been a young fellow, but you know he's he's been
there or thereabouts for for a number of years now,
so you know, really he he was a part of it.
I mean, body, Body was the main man. As you say,
(04:25):
he's he's getting all the rep but Cortez was you know,
he was a big part of that snappy you know,
just just straight into the game. And you know it
was the speed of the game, the All Blacks, the tempo,
you know, they it was markedly different. Once he came
on but you know, Findlay Christie unfortunately got the injury.
(04:46):
But it turned out to be you know, kind of
kind of the spark the moment that that we needed.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
A lot of talk about England's approach to defense, their
rush defense. So this isn't new BUNSI I mean, the
opposition defenders used to get up on your face as
well as a midfield back. How is it best combated?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's a really difficult one because done well, it's it's
you know, it's so effective. And I think was it
the spring box who first you know, started using it,
you know, properly against us and when we struggled for ages.
I don't, I don't know that there's you know, there's
there's one thing that you can do, you know, to
(05:28):
to to defend against it. But really it's just a
matter of there's I mean, there's there's a few options
of you know, people fly up, you kick into that
little space behind them more you get the Fords. Really,
the Fords are the ones that need to give you
the front football. You know, for me, it's it's to
take the opportunity away from them, you know, to actually
(05:50):
do that. And not everybody in the team, you know,
has the ability to make that rush defense work. So
you know, you tie up the guys that can do it,
tie up the backs, the inside backs or the midfielders
who do do it really successfully, and you tie them
up in a rock and them all and then you
move the ball away the same direction and you've got
(06:12):
you know a lot of the time, you've got forwards
there and tight forwards that you can create those mismatches.
But it's a you know, done well, it's like really
really effective and it's hard to combat.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So two tight test matches to start Scott Robertson's reign
as coach. How happy do you reckon he'll be after
these two test matches?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think he will be guarded if well, I don't
know if that's the thing that he does actually, but
he you'll definitely be be happy and grateful about the
two wins the way. You know, we've come away unbeaten
from a very good English team who are who are
on the rise, no doubt about that. But I think
(06:55):
he'll realize that, you know, this is a different beast
from from Super Rugby and there's a there's certainly a
lot of work to do. You know that that line
out everyone's talking about that. You know, that needs a
whole lot of work, and there's there's a lot of
ways that ye know, there's there's so many ways that
you know, you can be upset, you know, in getting
(07:17):
your set piece. But they've got to put some work
into that. And and it's a periods where you know,
we we make a whole lot of mistakes really that
we we shouldn't be making at this level. But I
think he's going to be pretty happy with with his
first sort of foray into into the international game. And
and bearing in mind he beat England, who know, easy beats,
you know, at the best of times. So you know there,
(07:41):
as I said before, they're on the up and and
he's beaten them into you know, either test could have
gone either way. So you know, you got that's a
that's a positive you've got. He's got to take that away.
And now he's got to just put his head down
different beasts. You know, Fiji is a it's a whole
different ballgame. So no, I think if I think he
(08:01):
will come away pretty satisfied.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Can you say the way he wants them to play?
Can you say this fingerprints on the or blacks or.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Or not not. I can't. I can't at the moment,
but you know, there are certainly certainly trying to play
at pace. I think I think he's still settling. You know,
it's and it's also game plans for different teams. I don't,
to be honest, you know, I don't. I don't really,
(08:31):
I'm not able to read a game like that, to
be honest, you know, I sort of I'm sort of
in the moment, you know, what's happening in the moment.
But if I if I had to stop and look,
you know, it'd look for an overall game play. And
I'm never being really that good at that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, I'll tell you what you were got at was
was it the moment stuff? Last night? Loved having you
in the commentary with us, Bonsei. Thanks for joining us today, mate,
and I think we got you for the Fiji game
next week as well.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Have we? Yes, yes, yes, that'll be an interesting one.
Unfortunately we didn't make the plane to gan Diego, but yes.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We'll do it. From the warmth of our studio, Beck
here and all. I enjoyed the risk of your eye. Frank,
thanks for.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Having a chat mate, Jeers Bunny, thanks, no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
By, that's Frank Bunz.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk st B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Crossfield kick looking for Tommy Freeman Freeman right is hi?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Tommy Freeman accident?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Was England try just on halftime? Terrific athleticism from Tommy
Freeman scoring England's second try just before halftime last night,
giving them a fourteen to thirteen lead at the break,
Mark Delaya's second try in the second half and Damion
McKenzie's two penalties getting the All Blacks home though twenty
four points to seventeen fifty five Tests sixty nine game.
(00:39):
Former All Black center Frank Buntz was in the News
Stalks heb commentary box alongside Elliott Smith last night. He
joins us, Now, Frank, can we start with Boden Barrett's influence?
How key was he to the result when he introduced
himself into the game with about half an hour ago?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, I think he was the key. You know, we
were floundering for a bit there and we needed the spark,
you know, and he came on and gave the energy,
as did I won't take away from Courtiers Romki either,
but you know, body came on and and you know,
we saw him back to his to his best. Really,
(01:18):
you know, it was a spark that we needed, bread
energy and and you know his his experience as well.
You know, he just knew where to be and when
to be there and what to do, so you know,
really got us out of a hole. I think, why
do you.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Think that spark was missing before he came on.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, it's it's a hard one. It's sometimes you know,
you get into games and it's not taken away from
England either, because you know, they force the game that
they play. You know, they they force you into into
doing a lot of things that you don't want to do.
And it just takes one individual and you know it
may even be only one moment, but it was. It
(01:58):
certainly wasn't lack of effort. I think, you know from
the All Blacks, but things just weren't clicking. And you know,
I don't know what it is, but someone comes on
and it takes it takes one kick, it takes one tackle,
that takes it's one moment, and you know, I think
that's what people talk about, is winning. You know, in
those games, it's it's winning the moments, winning the little things,
(02:24):
you know, and that's all it takes to turn people around.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Earlier in the game, how worried were you that the
thirty year unbeaten straight at Aden Park was going to fall.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Not so much in the first half, but certainly in
the second half. And I did say to Elliott that
I was. I was thinking, you know, to myself, I
was thinking, man, we're going to lose this. It's looking
like we were going to lose it. Then I looked
up and and I only the only reason I didn't
say it was because there was you know, there was
I think it was only about fifteen minutes into the
(02:58):
second half or something like that, and I was thinking,
it's too early, it's too early early to make a
call like that. But I did think it, So I wasn't,
you know, And I wasn't even worried about the you know,
the thirty years. I was worried about losing the game,
you know, at that time. But I actually played in
that that game thirty years ago too, which makes me feel,
(03:22):
you know, a way a lot older now. But uh,
you know that the good thing is that we we
we crawled our way out, you know, and had some
good moments, finished a whole lot stronger, and I think
the English did fade, you know a bit once the
All Black onslaughts sort of came and then you know,
(03:45):
enable us to get away. But certainly it did cross
my mind we were going to lose that test.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He talked about Body obviously, and he's he's the headline today.
But Courtiz without are coming on probably a bit earlier
than he would have expected us and like Christie having
to go off with an h I A. How impressed
were you with courtiz on debut?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh great, you know, he's he's just carried on from
his from his super rugby form and he's been he's
been there for you know, a couple of years. He's
been a young fellow, but you know he's he's been
there or thereabouts for for a number of years now,
so you know, really he he was a part of it.
I mean, body, Body was the main man. As you say,
(04:25):
he's he's getting all the rep but Cortez was you know,
he was a big part of that snappy you know,
just just straight into the game. And you know it
was the speed of the game, the All Blacks, the tempo,
you know, they it was markedly different. Once he came
on but you know, Findlay Christie unfortunately got the injury.
(04:46):
But it turned out to be you know, kind of
kind of the spark the moment that that we needed.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
A lot of talk about England's approach to defense, their
rush defense. So this isn't new BUNSI I mean, the
opposition defenders used to get up on your face as
well as a midfield back. How is it best combated?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's a really difficult one because done well, it's it's
you know, it's so effective. And I think was it
the spring box who first you know, started using it,
you know, properly against us and when we struggled for ages.
I don't, I don't know that there's you know, there's
there's one thing that you can do, you know, to
(05:28):
to to defend against it. But really it's just a
matter of there's I mean, there's there's a few options
of you know, people fly up, you kick into that
little space behind them more you get the Fords. Really,
the Fords are the ones that need to give you
the front football. You know, for me, it's it's to
take the opportunity away from them, you know, to actually
(05:50):
do that. And not everybody in the team, you know,
has the ability to make that rush defense work. So
you know, you tie up the guys that can do it,
tie up the backs, the inside backs or the midfielders
who do do it really successfully, and you tie them
up in a rock and them all and then you
move the ball away the same direction and you've got
(06:12):
you know a lot of the time, you've got forwards
there and tight forwards that you can create those mismatches.
But it's a you know, done well, it's like really
really effective and it's hard to combat.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So two tight test matches to start Scott Robertson's reign
as coach. How happy do you reckon he'll be after
these two test matches?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think he will be guarded if well, I don't
know if that's the thing that he does actually, but
he you'll definitely be be happy and grateful about the
two wins the way. You know, we've come away unbeaten
from a very good English team who are who are
on the rise, no doubt about that. But I think
(06:55):
he'll realize that, you know, this is a different beast
from from Super Rugby and there's a there's certainly a
lot of work to do. You know that that line
out everyone's talking about that. You know, that needs a
whole lot of work, and there's there's a lot of
ways that ye know, there's there's so many ways that
you know, you can be upset, you know, in getting
(07:17):
your set piece. But they've got to put some work
into that. And and it's a periods where you know,
we we make a whole lot of mistakes really that
we we shouldn't be making at this level. But I
think he's going to be pretty happy with with his
first sort of foray into into the international game. And
and bearing in mind he beat England, who know, easy beats,
you know, at the best of times. So you know there,
(07:41):
as I said before, they're on the up and and
he's beaten them into you know, either test could have
gone either way. So you know, you got that's a
that's a positive you've got. He's got to take that away.
And now he's got to just put his head down
different beasts. You know, Fiji is a it's a whole
different ballgame. So no, I think if I think he
(08:01):
will come away pretty satisfied.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Can you say the way he wants them to play?
Can you say this fingerprints on the or blacks or.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Or not not. I can't. I can't at the moment,
but you know, there are certainly certainly trying to play
at pace. I think I think he's still settling. You know,
it's and it's also game plans for different teams. I don't,
to be honest, you know, I don't. I don't really,
(08:31):
I'm not able to read a game like that, to
be honest, you know, I sort of I'm sort of
in the moment, you know, what's happening in the moment.
But if I if I had to stop and look,
you know, it'd look for an overall game play. And
I'm never being really that good at that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, I'll tell you what you were got at was
was it the moment stuff? Last night? Loved having you
in the commentary with us, Bonsei. Thanks for joining us today, mate,
and I think we got you for the Fiji game
next week as well.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Have we? Yes, yes, yes, that'll be an interesting one.
Unfortunately we didn't make the plane to gan Diego, but yes.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We'll do it. From the warmth of our studio, Beck
here and all. I enjoyed the risk of your eye. Frank,
thanks for.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Having a chat mate, Jeers Bunny, thanks, no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
By, that's Frank Bunz.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk st B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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