Full Show Podcast: 01 December 2024

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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Afternoon and welcome the first edition of Weekend Sport for December.
Thanks for jumping on in, Elliot Smith and for Jason
Pine this afternoon. Piney back on deck tomorrow night for
Sports Talk December the first. On this day, twenty eight
years ago, David Campeze retired from Test rugby after fifteen

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years playing for Australia at one hundred and one Test.
Happy birthday too to two one Test All Blacks as well,
Sam Harding and James broad Her celebrating today plenty a
rip into the saft. In cricket Auckland FC Chris Wood
scoring again for Nottingham Forest. The international rugby season comes
to a close at least fifteen's does sevens underway in

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Dubai and the All Black Sevens starting their season with
a loss to Spain. Liam Lawson's unhappy with Lance Stroll as.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well, purposely slowed on through nine and said when you
have worded his lab of just a saxspan.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
We'll keep you across everything you need to know over
the next three hours in the world of sport, Plunkett
Shield on the go as well three games Halibert and
Johnson's Shield and the Women's as well. But a major
focus of our show this afternoon is going to be
the Test match in christ Church, which is likely to

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come to an end in the coming hours. The Black
Cats two hundred and nine four eight. That's a lead
of fifty eight. Daryn Mitchell clinging on at the crease
at the moment nearing fifty. Tim Salviy not out as well.
Cass has taken five for forty two for England. Scott Wennick,
the boss of New Zealand Cricket, joins the program in

(02:12):
a few moments time. Our Andrew Ordison's on watching Hagley
Oval for us as well, keeping us across developments as Test,
as I said, presumably draws to a close in the
coming hours. After one we go north and we go
South rugby wise to wrap up the year that was
in Test rugby, James mcconi offers his view on the

(02:33):
world of sport as well two o'clock and beyond we
take you to Manchester the best team in the world
or best team in England rather last season for the
last four years anyway, Manchester City winless in their last
six what's going wrong? We attempt to get to the
bottom of that and we tak Auckland FC's dream start
to the season. Plenty to sink our teeth into over

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the next three hours, right here on Weekend Sport, where
it is nine after midday, when.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's down to the line. You made a call on
eight hundred eighty Weekend four News Talks.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Evy Yes, black Caps two hundred and nine for eight,
Daryl Mitchell not out forty seven, Tim salviy on twelve
an hour or so into play today the black Caps
desperately trying to avoid a one new loss in the series.
But you would have to say, beyond a superb bowling
efforts and a let's say in England batning collapse, it

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is likely to be the black Caps heading to the
base and reserve for the second Test one nil down.
Good crowding at least, and christ Church for today weather
looks pretty good, but you suspect that they won't be
entertained by the prospect of a black Caps defeat in
this opening Test at Hagley Oval. Ten after midday, let's

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take you to the boss of New Zealand cricket. Scott
Weenick joins the program. Scott, good afternoon, Thanks for your time.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Good afternoon, thanks having me.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, look the other test at the moment, let's say,
coming to a probable conclusion in the coming hours, hasn't
really been the black Caps Test to this point, has it?

Speaker 5 (04:13):
No, not a deal. I think if we're taking a
few more catches, you know, we would have been well
on top. But I guess that's that's cricket. Unfortunately it is.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Indeed, look, I suppose that's the consistency that you look
for an international cricket just come off the back of
a three nil series win in India and then perhaps
the highs and lows of international sport come back to
earth with a bit of a thud.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
No, you know, we're obviously you know, a New Zealand
cricket is an incredible spot at the moment and it's
been an incredible period. But as I keep saying to people,
sport is very fickle. Let's enjoy it. While we can,
because it can all change pretty quickly. But again, you know,
you know, a couple of bad days and some drop

(05:04):
catches doesn't really change the fact that, you know, the
Black Pats and mccoms are going pretty well at the moment.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Indeed, look, not much test cricket coming up on the horizon,
Scott is there in the coming twelve months. I think
two tests are Wayne Zimbabwe two against the West Indies,
So the next three weeks you better savior. If you're
a test cricket fan. What's the rationale behind that? I
know the future Tours program is something that the ICC
obviously dictates, but for test cricket fans, this is it

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for a while.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
Yeah, it is those I mean the programs have put
in place years in a bunt. We are currently working
on adding some test cricket to the calendar for next year.
We've certainly got at least one test extra test confirmed
which will be announcing shortly and we're look and we

(05:57):
are looking at another couple of options as well. So
we are doing our best to try and bring some
more test cricket to New Zealand cricket fans over the
next felve months. If we can unfortunately as just the
reality that you know, everyone has very very tight schedules

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and it's just about trying to find space.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Is that something you've done proactively, Scott, you'd have looked
at the calendar and gone krikey, we don't have much
test cricket. We need to go out and to the market,
to these other test nations and try and put some together.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Yes, it is yep, and normally over Gin and tonicqu
at the ICC we're in, they're trying to work out,
you know, where we can find some more test cricket.
So yes, we are proactively in terms of the one
that we're that we're going to announce shortly, but we've
also been approached by another country that is key for
us to play some more test cricket. We just need

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to work out how we fit it into our schedule.
So it's not just us that are trying to find
more more, you know, more test cricket. I think everyone
around the globe would ideally like to play more. It's
just really it's a very very congested schedule, particularly little
of the domestic twenty legs.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Indeed, in finding that window must be to play these
extra games must be incredibly tough, but you look at
these crowds in christ Church and are the base in
reserves selling well as well for the second Test? You
must go there is still life and Test cricket despite
some of the doomsayers out there.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Absolutely yep. You know New Zealand cricket fans love Test cricket,
our players love Test cricket. It's really about trying to find,
you know, where we can fit them into the schedule.
You know, otherwise we would play a lot more.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
How do you capitalize on that tour success in Indie?
Obviously straight back into another series, but do you take
a step back and go that was three nil in
India very rarely happens, hasn't happened for the black Caps
in history. How do we capitalize? And it is part
of that, I suppose playing those more Test cricket games
and other nations wanting to play you more often.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah, that's part of it, as you know, taking the
opportunity while you know, the New Zealand Cricket brand, the
Black Caps brand is running hot, is to try and
lock in more games in terms of sort of fan engagement,
you know, both across the Black Caps and the White Ferns,
you know, because are performing so well, there's been a

(08:21):
noticeable lift and interest across New Zealand and actually not
just across New Zealand, but also globally. You know, Indian
cricket fans absolutely love New Zealand cricket, even even though
we beat them recently, and so that's an area we
were really trying to push hard into as well, you know,
into India and the rest of the globe to really

(08:43):
generate fan engagement and fan interest in the New Zealand
cricket brand.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Gary Steed's contracted through to the middle of next year.
Have you had any preliminary discussions with Gary about future plans.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
We just wanted to get through this summer. But we'll
certainly sit down with Gary at the appropriate time and
then talk about what his plans are. Yes, his contract
it comes to an end sort of mid next year,
which sort of coincides with the end of that World
Test Championship cycle. So you know, we'll go through a process,

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but a lot of that will depend on what what
Gary wants to do.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
You've been in the job for about a year now, Scott.
One of the biggest challenges you think that are facing
will cricket and New Zealand cricket. At the moment, the.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Biggest challenge continues to be both the congested and you'll
window cricket and you know, and that comes about through
more and more domestic T twenty leagues popping up, So
there's a huge demand on our players and there's just

(09:50):
just a you know, more and more challenging schedule to
try and fit games, and so they are probably the
two biggest challenges. You know, we we want our players
to make as much money and what are the short career,
but also ensure that they played for New Zealand for
as long and as often as possible. So that's a

(10:12):
really really difficult balancing act that we that we have,
but you know, there is a lot of good will
and we work very very closely with the players themselves
around that. So that's probably the biggest challenge. Cricket itself
is absolutely booming globally. You know, it's the second largest
sport and I think the fastest growing sports still, so

(10:34):
we've just got to really try and take advante into
that while trying to sort of navigate all these niggleague
issues around. You know, I congested schedule.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Did you feel like yourself in the ic C making
progress on that front in terms of you know, the
franchise leagues because it feels like a but like wlack
a mole, you know, they just new ones keep popping
up week to week around around the globe.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Yeah, i'd be. One of the biggest challenges is, you know,
the ic C is a is a member organization, so
it you know, unfortunately it doesn't have.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
The influence that it should or could have.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
In terms of actually managing you know, the cricketing window.
So that's a real challenge. I think the ICC is
doing its best, you know, and perhaps with and you know,
look Greg Barklayt does an amazing job as chair, but
perhaps with the new chair from bcc I who might
be able to influence things a little more, they might

(11:28):
be able to gain a little bit more control and
have a little bit more influenced around you know, the
cricket schedule. But it is the main challenge is the
ic C is a member nation and so it can't
actually dictate things to two countries.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Scott when with us the boss of New Zealand cricket.
The contracting model obviously is very different to perhaps that
the life that came in. So with the leagues that
we're discussing in New Zealand Cricket reconsidering or looking at
maybe the contracting model for players, given you know, players
have opted out of those central contracts and take can
casual ones up as there's a change that needs to

(12:08):
be made there.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, I mean the current contracting model is for purpose
for now. You know, we provide a lot of flexibility
around that to try and ensure that our players play
for us for as long and as often as possible,
well so taking advantage of these domestic T twenty league opportunities.
But you know, the cricketing world is changing rapidly and

(12:34):
we need to just continue to be very pragmatic and
very flexible and so we will just continue to work
with our players to work out what is the best
model for New Zealand Cricket and for our players going forward.
You know, if we need to change and that's what
the players want, then you know we'll sit down and
talk to them about that and work out you know

(12:56):
what that means. There is a lot to it. So
if there is to be a change, then you know
that there have to be a lot of things going
into it, but we're certainly, you know, always prepared to
have those discussions and try to continue to look at
what is just for our players as well as what's
the best musicaland cricket.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
And Scott was intrigued by this announcement a day or
so ago. Hall of Fame New Zealand Crickets launching at
the Base and Reserve Test eleven to be inaugurated posts
World War Two players, men and women. Look, this is
an exciting concept. How it to come about?

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, again, we you know, we're always thinking about bays
that we can engage our fans, you know, and and
bring about new fans while also you know, reflecting on
our history and ensuring that our past players are properly
honored and their stories are told. The Hall of Fame

(13:56):
concept initially came up to then idea from the Cricket
Players Association. So it's actually it's a it's a group
it's a tripathide arrangement between us ours with Cricket Players
Association and the Cricket Museum. And really, you know, we
see it as an idea, an opportunity to honor those
who performed so well for New Zealand while also you know,

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trying to engage a new set of fans around our history.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well it's fantastic concept. Look forward to seeing the eleven
names announced in the first induction later on this week. Scott,
thank you very much for your time, Kevisinger all those issues,
appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
My pleasure. Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
That is Scott Winning the Chief executive of New Zealand Cricket.
Across the range of issues. I like the concept of
more test cricket in twenty twenty four or five. I
looked at the calendar this morning, the future Tours program
two again Zimbabwe midyear two against the West Indies on
home at the end of the year. That's it for

(14:59):
the summer. By the way, next summer just two tests
on home soil. But as you heard Scott revealed there
a few more tests, or maybe one or two more
tests at least, something more potentially on the calendar for
next season. Let's deal with this current test though, the
Black Caps two hundred and fifteen for nine since we

(15:19):
last updated dute and unfortunately that has seen Tim Suvee
dismissed Atkinson again.

Speaker 8 (15:25):
This one's hiked away higher. There is there a man
underneath it. Yes, there is a man that's been taken
by Joe Route out wide along on who was running
around Saudi just got it on the bottom of the back.
It went very very high, just not enough distance and
that's the end of Tim South for twelve.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Out for twelve, Tim South and that's the courtesy of
our friends on the ACC. But some brighton news. We're
going to take every bit of bright news we can
get with the black Caps at the moment.

Speaker 8 (15:58):
This one's swinging away a slow ball from Wakes and
has guided down to gully and that's fifty for Darryl Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Fifty of one hundred and thirty two balls.

Speaker 9 (16:12):
In New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Now two fourteen for nine, a lead of sixty three.
So that had another run since then two hundred and
fifteen for nine in the second innings the black Cap
sixty four runs ahead, Darrel Mitchell not out fifty and
alongside and Will O'Rourke on one. That's a lead of
sixty four. So the black Caps clinging on. Looks like
the target for England to win this Test match is

(16:33):
going to be under triple figures. Can you get your
views on this is the black Caps performance in this
Test a return to type from what we've seen. Was
the Indian three nil win just papering over a few cracks,

(16:54):
which sounds weird to say. I know, they've just gone
and beat in one of the world's best teams Perennial
League Strong in their own backyard three nil, but before
that there was a loss to Sri Lanka. There been
losses over recent times on home soil as well. We
go maybe a little creaky. The T twenty World Cup

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earlier in the year, of course, was that just one
out of the box in India that no one will
even be able to explain rationally that India just did
not turn up. The Black Cats played some very very
good cricket and now things have reverted back to type

(17:35):
because it kind of feels that way. This hasn't been
a great Black Cats performance in this first Test match,
but it is symptomatic of some of the cricket they've
played at on home soil in recent summers. We just
feel with the retirements and players out with injury, Cole
Jamison still out of course, Number Trent Bolt and various
other players coming in and out of the team that

(17:57):
obviously that World Championship magic from three years ago is
worn off a little, So how do you explain it
was that one out of the box in India that
we'll just never be able to rationally explain in the
context of recent history of this team and now they're
back to perhaps normality or is this test perhaps the

(18:20):
one out of the box. Love to hear from you
this afternoon. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two
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zeb will keep you right across happenings in christ Church
Andrew Ordison our eyes on the ground at Hagley Oval.
We want to hear from you after this though it's
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Speaker 3 (18:45):
Talk eNB twenty eight after middayn News Talk ZBB talking
the black Caps as they presumably hurtled towards a one
mil series deficit against England. Let's go to the lines
on Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Prabu, welcome to
the show. How are you?

Speaker 10 (19:01):
I'm not too bad? Thank you for you.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
I'm good, thank you.

Speaker 10 (19:05):
Yeah, I was just listening. I mean I watched all
the games in India against India rather and I thought
the black Cats played really well. And I think the
main problem, or the main reason for the defeat, which
is going to happen very soon, is the ten drop catches.
So I mean, I don't think the black Caps dropped
that many in probably the all the three Test matches

(19:27):
in India, So I think that was the main reason.
I don't think they have played too bad or something.
It's just too much pressure because of dog catchers, and
England wouldn't have got anywhere close to that lead if
they had held on to even half of them.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Well, they used to be such a good fielding team.
Probably they used to. They used to be one of
the black Cats cooling cards as the fielding and it
seems to have become one of the absolute deficiencies exactly.

Speaker 10 (19:52):
Yeah, so maybe that's the problem and not probably the
individual performance or the team performance is just catching. I
think if they get that right and they'll be England
will be having a fight on their hands in the
next game.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, look from a New Zealand perspective, let's hope. So
nice to hear from you probably thank you very much
for your call this afternoon. Is line three eight hundred
nine two for a text message, very good afternoon, Zane.
How are you?

Speaker 11 (20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (20:19):
My good look iPhone use today said a Blundle needs
to go. This was before it was first fall duck
and I think that just reinforces the fact. I don't
know what the situation is with but you know the
squad they name, but this you know, you're playing your

(20:41):
home You've got to have the ability to debt. Now, yeah,
maybe it isn't the right call to get Later as
captain and opener or even Conway to keep. I mean
they're just not They're just not international testments needed for
wicket keepers. So so you know it was selectors must

(21:02):
have the option to go outside the squad. I mean,
any guy in New Zealand, the wicket keeps for first class,
that can keep to a high standard and can bat
a little bit surely has to get the not I'm
not blaming Bundle for this loss, but he is symptomatic
of the problem that I feel. I don't know if

(21:23):
Gary Stead is the huge selector role in New Zealand.
I christian gary Stead as a coach I do think
he's a coach in the since that he's he's taken
bys and showing them how to battle whatever, because he
was never a great batsman himself, just a pretty dogged
and dour saw the first class player. And I think

(21:44):
his selection policies a dogged in Dower and I Christian
what he's even stiw the coach to be honest, And
I know that sounds heresy, but my belief is you
can agree or disagree, is that he's presided over a
team that has done very well and it's a little
bit of lucky role for Gary. So I'm saying that

(22:07):
they've won the will Best Championship, had won that free
and all series in India Despotodorf, not because of Gary Stead.
Revenger only made the Test side through injury. The player
of the series gets dropped. And I know you're always
going to play the likes of Kine Williamson, but why

(22:28):
does Tim Salve get to do what David Warner got
to do last year, which the Aussies cricket fans were ropable.
What does he get to choose when he retires. Sauvie's
performance is not up to scratch well, had.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
To get to retire. I think zaying if if you
are still you know, the best in your position, I
would say that it is probably debatable at this point
whether Tim Soalvey is indeed the best in his position.
We certainly probably haven't seen it in this Test match.
I tend to agree on the selections. I think they
have been guilty of being too conservative, especially when the
wheels began to came off of this team. And I

(23:04):
mean that in the nicest possible way, but the wheels
they had were magnificent wheels, but they came off a
little bit and we're beginning to creak a little bit.
And I think some of the selection in the last
eighteen months has just been a little bit too conservative,
especially when it comes to perhaps those big series, those
big Test matches and the big limited over series.

Speaker 12 (23:23):
I remember they left Henry who's now our leading pace bowler,
they left him out of the part of the shrinking
series they deemed not good enough to lead. Albeit you
have a smaller pace attick there in sub continent, but
he wasn't good He wasn't then good enough to play.
So yeah, I'm sorry, Getty Steed is not up to

(23:45):
the mark. It can't be the law of the land
that you can't go outside the squad. Blundele cannot play
the next Test. And yeah, look despite how poor we've played,
you know, we take Halfway's catches and England probably only
get par or even I have one hundred one deficit.
It really annoys me, mate, because I love that clear

(24:07):
on that rang after me yesterday said I'm a twenty guy. Mate,
if was he had never heard me, never saw another
tee to the game in my life, I couldn't give
a job. I'm a Test cricket fan and it's absolutely ridiculous.
We're only playing two tests at home next year. Surely,
surely that's a misprint. But we can we can win

(24:28):
the series. We can win the series. Start taking your catches,
start thinking about your game and not throwing your wick
it away with inner. You know, we we can win it.
And I oh my god, I job Smith.

Speaker 13 (24:44):
Sorry.

Speaker 12 (24:44):
If it's a choice between Smith and Selvey, If if
the spinner cups Sat and that comes back in, they've
got to they've got to put charity window. And Smith
has got a bit about him as far as I'm
comes in, and he's he's surely informed. Has to play
head to sound, so mate, we can win. I'm not

(25:06):
there cast a net. See we can cut back and
win the series two to one. But still it doesn't
excuse some of the woeful selections in the work of catching.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Nice tear from you as always saying thank you for
your call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two for a text message, and there are buckets
of test text messages. Excuse me that I'll read once
He's Saldy, not a team player, only out for glory
for himself. Time he left. That's from Brian another see
is this Here's what I would do? Will Young comes in,

(25:36):
Conway drops to six and Latham and Will Young share
the keeping. Why does one person have to keep? Never thought,
I don't don't know that Will Young's done much we
can keeping in his career. But why does one person
have to keep b Mac change the way of batting.
Why do we have to have one keeper that way?
Keep both fresh? Well, you got Glenn Phillips, he can keep, Devin,

(25:59):
Conway can keep, Tom, Latham can keep.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Try.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
I think there might be another keeper in there that
they can They can rotator around four of them through
the team that comed is mean, they're probably exhausted and
need a break. I'm not sure what that was about,
but let's move on. Nine two nine to two, big difference,
big selection era. No will Young says another and Lance
says the black Hats batting and bowling has been fine.

(26:26):
Eight drop catches is appalling. If it wasn't for the dropsies,
the Test would have been a much closer deal. Thank
you very much for your text. There's a couple more
there I'll get to. In fact, i'll read this one
from Mars before we take a break from the text.
Muzz That's what really pisses me off about Saudi. He
never respects his wicket. We all know he's going to
go out there and play T twenty Mars. Well, it's
going to be interesting to see whether he has another

(26:46):
Test innings in him. At this point in time. New
Zealand two hundred and twenty five for nine. It's the
lead of seventy four. Darryl Mitchell is on sixty, Willow
Rourke one off sixteen. At the moment, England's searching for
that last wicket to wrap up the New Zealand innings.
A couple of flashpoints, haven't there been in the Test match.

(27:08):
I think back to just after lunch on Day two,
England was seventy for four. They get another wicket there,
the black Caps put that partnership under a bit of pressure.
Then things change drastically in this Test match. Even if
you excuse and put aside all the drop catches, they

(27:30):
were right in at that point. They get that wicket,
they take the catch there, get a wicket five down,
another one yesterday afternoon as well, batting along, partnership developing
between revenge Drip sorry Williamson and uh and Revenger in
the second innings. Then Williamson goes, Blundle goes. In the

(27:55):
space of two balls, go from being three down to
being five down, Williamson and Mitchell putting on runs together.
Blundle goes and there are a bit of trouble. Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine
two for a text message, love to hear from you.

(28:16):
As the black Caps continue to bat on, having a
look at the ball, I think at the moment, just
to see well shape that ballers in England bring on
a spin it as well, to try and get this
last New Zealand wicket. One more text before the break,
Gary says this, Hi, there should be two changes in
the next test, Saudi and Blundle, come on stead make

(28:36):
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a couple of more texts. On the cricket front, Pall
says this Saudi should be second drop with the new ball.
We need the pace of Henry and O'Rourke. The biggest
problem with New Zealand cricket. We picked play that are
well passed their bests. I couldn't quite fathom white. Tim

(29:12):
Salley opened the ball and I suppose he's done that
through the majority of his Test career, but if you're
don't have him in the eleven, it just didn't quite
feel like the most fearsome opening partnership with the ball
that Mu Zealm might have been able to roll out.
Socker Couble, We'll get some O to him. South here

(29:33):
just just feels I know he's playing his last series,
but time might have moved on a little bit, Jeff
with this. What was Revender thinking when he went for
the slog. You're batting with one of the world's best
in Cain, and plenty of time, and your team needs
you to occupy basics and common sense and our openers
are too inconsistent and yes catchers, I agree Jeff. That

(29:56):
I mean, as I mentioned before the break, that Test
was almost in the balance again. Yesterday afternoon, the black
Caps had fought their way back into the Test match,
closing in on parity. Ravendra gets out for what the
third wicket to fall sixty four for three. They put
on a few more runs came Williamson. Now at four down,

(30:21):
Blundle goes quickly five down. Just once they've managed to
get a foothold again in this Test match, they just
lost it again. And it's the frustrating thing about this team, Dennis,
with this one, high Elliott, the black Caps are a
team in potential crisis. The series win over India was

(30:43):
an aberration. India lost the series with a series of
mysterious decisions, starting with the coin toss in the first Test.
Conway needs to go back to domestic cricket. Blundle the
same and sorry Southea's in the team purely on a motion.
A good player in his time, but not now suffers
to say no only above what happened. The selectors are
too timid to make changes radical or otherwise. Thanks Dennis,

(31:04):
appreciate the text. Another one with this from Teep Saalia's
a blinker. He could have applied himself and also got
Mitchell to his fifty. His very self arrogant, selfish player.
I mean, that's been the frustrating thing. I mean, the
best thing for Tim Sally's batting would be if he
never got that seventy six in his first Test match
in two thousand and eight, because it kind of gave

(31:24):
an ear that he knew what he was doing with
bat in hand, very very good when it comes to
hitting sixes, and now we've come to expect it of it.
We thought, yep, there's a player that can hold an
end at the bottom of the order. Never quite eventuated
in that regard. Can belt a six though. But the

(31:46):
frustrating thing is that we believe that he's better than
what he's been able to show with that so far
in his career, well so far his career is about
to come to an end, isn't it a couple more
texts I'll get to in a moment. Let's go to
Hackleoval though, and the black Caps continuing to bat on
Andrew orders in a very good afternoon to you at

(32:08):
Hagley Oval, Mitchell and Iraq digging in.

Speaker 14 (32:13):
Well, that's right, Elliott and doing good job. But at
the moment I walk on two from twenty two deliveries
Mitchell sixty five from one hundred and forty five. He's
even two hundred and thirty one for nine, Chris Folkes
in the attack economic three for forty eight from his
fifteen point four hours. I guess more importantly, he's he
on now with that eighty run lead. So England would
require eighty one to win if indeed they get the

(32:36):
opportunity over the course of this afternoon. So we'll wait
and see on that front.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, look, I think that you look at the back
Caps dore On. Mitchell's stood up with the bat and
the second innings, hasn't He hasn't had a lot of
support around him in recent times.

Speaker 14 (32:50):
No, he hasn't. And earlier on today because we saw
the Nathan Smith and LBW too, Brydon cast for twenty one,
Matt Henry l ww the cast for one as well.
Tim's now the adding and couple of six is there
getting to twelve on that list where he's moved up
to on the table, He's got ninety five sixes across
his one hundred and five test career. How eliot he's

(33:11):
moved fast. I guess he had already moved past with
very the saywag and seven. Just to put some context
around that, I think Ben Stokes in first of the
hundred and thirty one, Ben Brendan McCallum one hundred and seven,
and he's tracking down there with two tests agar in
his career, the likes of Adam Gilchrist and Chris Gale
and Jaque Hellis.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Would it be clinging on too much to say if
the black Caps can get a lead of one hundred,
at least there's something there. It's a bowl at on
this on this deck and try and deny England, perhaps
a straightfall victory.

Speaker 14 (33:43):
Look I'm thinking of I think one hundred and fifty minimum.
I think if you really want to boil it down,
I mean, it looks pretty good for batting out there
at the moment. Smith and I'm thinking that given the
power in England order, they'll be attacking that pretty quickly
if they do get the opportunity. One little issue that
has come up over the course of the day that
Ben Stokes suffering some for of injury. We're not quite

(34:05):
sure what that is, but midway through his seventh over,
so he's a bold six point three and then the
oak was taken over later on, I think by Gus Atkinson.
So for some reason he's pulled out of the buying.
So I'm not sure what that means for his tour.
At the stage he's still out there in the field,
but I think that yeah, he's hell were able to

(34:26):
get to the one hundred and trusty run Leabel, Yeah,
that's runs on the board and you'd think, well, there
might just be a bit of a sniff.

Speaker 12 (34:32):
Look.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's hard to say, isn't it. But I suppose as
long as they're playing at the grease and adding and
chipping away and trying to add these runs, you know,
Darryl Mitchell certainly capable of holding down an end. Will
Owra perhaps less so. The more strike Daryl Mitchell has
the better orders.

Speaker 14 (34:50):
I think, so hometown boyn out here in christ it's
just Darrel Mitchell and I think, yeah, he's had a
tremendous job of loosing the town already and he spent
it really well on this inning, getting through the sixty
six at the present time and just worked another single
into the leg side as we looking for two but
unable to get it. So then'll e thinct that takes

(35:10):
him to sixty six now two thirty two for nine.
But he's got a really responsible job at Mitchell and
he's work the ball around according and played a few
shots now with O'Rourke the last man at the crease,
but Oroke hanging in there as we speak.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
He has indeed. Andrew Ordison, appreciate your time as always
from Hagley Oval. We'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 14 (35:29):
Absolutely, we'll have a bit more of a context I
think around it. If something's continues now then you may
yet maybe they can put some pressure who knows, but
certainly England dominating at the stace.

Speaker 15 (35:40):
Really.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Thank you very much, Andrew Ortison, Cricket correspondent at Hagley
Oval in christ Church. As you heard there black Caps
continuing to bat on muzz with this. Wouldn't it be
amazing if A Rourke said to Mitchell, mate' stick around.
That's helped me get to one hundred. And that's what
Sally should have done being a senior player. Remember he
did that to Taylor in Australia. I think denying Taylor

(36:01):
three hundred. Never forgotten that. Thank you very much, Muzzy.
A bit of application, don't you. I suppose at this
point of the innings you can probably guess the Test
match is gone barring some big partnership here pushing New
Zealand to one point fifty two hundred, and then maybe
they've got something to bowl at, he says, clinging at straws,

(36:22):
clutching at straws. But you just want some application, something
to take to the basin reserve for the second Test match.
Something you go, yep, we held up to this England attack.
At least the lower order was able to do. Hasn't
always been the case in this Test match though. The

(36:44):
application from the black Caps, as we have discussed this
hour on the program, oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty nine two nine two for a text message, is
this an aberration or was the Indian series an aberration?
From the black Caps perspective, because it feels like one

(37:06):
or the other. To be honest with you, I know
you can lose Test matches, you can have one of
poor performances. But what we've seen from the black Caps
in this Test match has been symptomatic of some of
their recent performances, especially you know, she Lanka was poor
last summer, some poor results as well, poor performances. India

(37:29):
increasingly feeling like one out of the box. We just
don't really explanation for as great as it was, as
enjoyable as that three mil series was, I just don't
think we've got an explanation as to how on earth

(37:49):
that happened. Ten away from one weekend Sport News Talks.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
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Speaker 3 (38:00):
News Talks closing in on lunch at Hagleyoval and and
again the black Caps, Daryl Mitchell and willow' rourke putting
a high price on their wicket. This last wicket stand
continuing to grow from a black CAP's perspective. Eighty two
now the lead for New Zealand two hundred and thirty

(38:22):
three for nine. Mitchell is not out sixty seven. Willow rourke,
who is a genuine tail ender, is not out two
of twenty eight delivery, so the black Caps showing but
a start bit of sustenance right at the tale of
listenings partnership now is twenty four runs for the last wicket,

(38:45):
So just frustrating the England bowlers a little bit and
look cling to whatever you can at this point in time.
But if they can take it to lunch without losing
this last wicket, that's something again in this Test match.
A couple more texts from Tim Sow. He is selfish
and arrogant. He could have occupied Ben Stokes play a

(39:06):
cat and it's not. We will get whitewashed in the series.
India is an outlier. This team has issues. Mike Elliott.
We're a tiny country with stuff or cricket as I
am as happy as a sandboy on the India win
and we'll long remember it. We can't and won't win everything. Yep,
the fielding is very disappointing, but it's a bit much
to say the world has ended. Mike. Appreciate the text message.

(39:30):
I guess the frustration is that India performance was so
good that there was an expectation they would come home
and back it up with a good performance. Against in
England side that is missing some key players, that is
relatively inexperience when it comes to Test cricket. They've just

(39:52):
come off a loss and Pakistan of course as well.
So I guess that's the frustration, isn't it The performance
on the back of what we saw in India when
they come home and play like they have just to
a little bit disappointing. Can't excheck him to win every time,

(40:12):
but just the performance of the application this Test matches
has been frustrating for me. Come up next out on
news Talks there beat Weekend Sport. We'll take you north,
We'll take you south, We'll take you to England, will
take you to Australia. Going to be joined by the
BBC Rugby commentator James Burridge and from Australia, the Raw

(40:33):
Rugby editor Christy Dorrant. As we reflect on the Test
match calendar that has been wrapped up this morning with
Ireland beating Australia twenty two to nine team at the
Aviva Stadium in Dublin. Where is the power base of rugby?
Twelve months on from the Rugby World Cup, which teams
have drastically improved, Who's stagnated and I want to get

(40:56):
their views as well from the outside perspective on how
they've seen the All Blacks first year under Scott Robertson.
James Burridge, Christy Dorant to join ours after one as well.
James McCone will give us his take on the week
that's been in sport and we'll keep you right across
Test match developments from Hagley Oval in christ Church. What

(41:19):
four minutes out from lunch are probably an over and
a bit to go before the players take the lunch
break and the black Caps two hundred and forty for nine.
Darrel Mitchell just knock him back a six moments ago.
The lead now at eighty nine. Come back after News
Sports and we're with Sandy and Dan after this on
News Talk SIB.

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Speaker 3 (41:48):
What we're going seven after one? Play continuing at Hagley
Oval in christ Church. The extra half hour has been
taken and the Black Cabs are batting on two fifty
two for nine. This is getting very frustrating for England.
You can try to see it on their faces as well.
That leads just ticked over one hundred black aps are

(42:11):
going to win this mark my words, No, don't mark
my words, but if they do, you heard it here.
First seven after one weekend Smart News talks at beat
or keep close eyes on developments at Hackley Oval for
you as they take this extra half hour. I presume
if there is a wicked let's hope there isn't. They'll

(42:33):
go to lunch after that and then England will begin
their run chase after that. But long live Darryl Mitchell
and eighty three and Willow Rourke on five. Coming up
this hour on the program, we've curated a rugby panel
for you from the North and South. James Burrage from
BBC's Rugby Coverage is going to join us to give

(42:54):
a Northern Hemisphere take on things and representing the Southern
Hemisphere Kresty Dorian from Australia's The Raw website as we
wrap up the Test match season that has been James
and Christian to join the program in a moment or two.
James mcconey gives his take on the week of sport

(43:16):
that has been this hour as well. Always look forward
to catching up with James after two o'clock. Jacob Spoonley
on Auckland FC. Another win from them yesterday Banks. We
continued the football seat theme as well. We've got to
Mike Manabe, football commentator and reporter for the BBC Manchester
City name up in lights. One of the biggest clubs

(43:39):
in the world haven't won in the last six What
is going wrong at the Eddy Hat. Mike Manaye joins
the program next hour to look on that. We'll continue
the cricket updates as well. Right here on News Talk
zeb Beat. It's nine after one. The test match season
of rugbat for season twenty twenty four came to a

(44:00):
conclusion this morning at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin, fighting.

Speaker 11 (44:04):
For a shot.

Speaker 16 (44:07):
At a potential draw, maybe a win. That's the halfway line, Frost. Oh,
it's been lost. It's been lost, and with it goes
the game. Australia brave to very last moment.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
They go down, but they show a ton of heart.
They did show a ton of heart. In fact, I
thought they were probably buy an edge the better team
in that game this morning twenty two nineteen. Ireland win
it though in Australia though you have to say that
they are building. I know they lost to Scotland rather
comfortably last week, but you look at that tour and
go twelve months ago after that World Cup shocker, they

(44:52):
would have taken it. Someone that's very close to Australian
rugby Christy Dorian rugby editor for The Roar, James Burrage,
BBC rugby commentator and reporter, join us now on news
Talk ZIB. Gentlemen, thanks so much for your time. Very
good afternoon to you. Hey guys, yeah, good, Hey, let's
start with the the game this morning, twenty two to nineteen,

(45:15):
Ireland over the Wallabes. James, I know you're covering this one.
What was your reaction to that game at the Avivah.

Speaker 9 (45:23):
I was mighty close towards the end.

Speaker 17 (45:25):
I was really impressed with Australia's defense today. I felt
that that had been their achilles heel probably for much
of twenty twenty four. But whatever Schmid's been doing with them,
working on defense, it's really really working, and they just
look so free in the first half, They look so creative,
and they really What he has done to Australia in

(45:46):
twelve months is extraordinary and it just makes the Lion
series an eight months time. Just it's come alive that
series now, you know, months ago we were worried. Everyone
was worried about that series.

Speaker 9 (45:58):
Not anymore, Christy.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Your reaction from an Australian perspective glass half full.

Speaker 11 (46:04):
Oh definitely.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
You think of it where the wall were twelve thirteen
months ago. Eddie Jones walks out on Australian rugby. The
Wallaby is the absolute canvas rock bottom and I completely agree.
Joe Schmidt has totally just brought back some confidence and
I think actually returned the Wallabies to their roots. The

(46:26):
desire for the Wallabies to run the ball is there,
but I do agree, I think the defensive effort was there.
This morning, Ireland had seventy four percent of territory, fifty
nine percent of possession and it took him to a
seventy second minute to really flex their muscle.

Speaker 11 (46:43):
And gain an incendency in the game.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
So Joe Schmidt, whatever you can do to keep him
Rugby Australia.

Speaker 11 (46:50):
And I had an extra five hundred.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
K to keep him because he has absolutely changed the
game in a space of twelve months. And now the
Lions is going to be the show piece of end
of rugby in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Christy, you're well connicted as Joe Shmith actually going to stay.

Speaker 11 (47:08):
My thoughts are it's less likely than more.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
I was told six seven weeks ago that he and
Mike Kron am more likely to finish up after the Lions.
That was a pretty good source. Look, I think it'll
be difficult for him to stay. You know, we know
about his family situation with his kid having epilepses, so
I don't think this will come down to a jugment
wanting to walk out on the Wallabies.

Speaker 11 (47:32):
It's really going to be a family call. Can he change?
Can possibly?

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Can things be done to allow for a Joe Schmitt
to stay in Australia as much as possible?

Speaker 11 (47:42):
Possibly, But we also know that Joe Schmitt's a guy.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
That loves to be integrated into the Super rugby sides,
work with the provinces, and I don't know if he'll
be able to do everything and that's a concern for
the Wallabies.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
James the Northern Hemisphere side is probably a mixed bag
to end the campaign. Obviously, we know the trouble that
Wales have been through England very much a disappointing bag
for them. What have you made of the Northern Hemisphere
unions in the autumn series?

Speaker 9 (48:11):
It's it's been a pretty chastening time. Let's be honest.

Speaker 17 (48:14):
I think if you're an England rugby fan you're pretty
despondent about life for a variety of reasons, whether it's
the coaches off the pitch, the style that England want
to try and play, the lack of identity. The defense
has really suffered. If you're Wales, I mean it's even worse.
You know, they have got so many problems. Warren Gatland

(48:36):
doesn't really know where he wants to stay or go,
whether that will be his choice. Nobody knows. The state
of the game in Wales is in crisis. Scotland, I
think are the other bright things. So to France, I
think Scotland and France have certainly kicked on. I think
France have looked good in patches.

Speaker 9 (48:54):
They were looking looking a little shaky. There was a
bit of a World Cup hangover during the Six Nations.
I don't think that's there anymore.

Speaker 17 (48:59):
And equally Scotland, I think Gregor Townsend has just he
has got the nucleus of a really good team Scotland
that their perennial problem has been that when it comes
to six nations they can't back it up. So they
can play one or two good games, but they can't
last a series.

Speaker 9 (49:14):
But that team has now.

Speaker 17 (49:15):
Got a really strong twenty five unit squad and their
biggest challenge in twenty twenty five is to be consistent
over a period of five matches, because that's something they've
never been able to do. And if they can crack that,
you know, the number of Scottish players in that Lion
squad would be fascinating.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
James, what's your scene to Is Warren Gatland going to
remain in front of the Welsh team for too much longer?

Speaker 9 (49:42):
Who knows? Who knows?

Speaker 17 (49:44):
It's so, you know, one press conference you think he's going.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
The next press conference he looks like he wants to stay.

Speaker 17 (49:50):
But I think it's you know, I mean, Warren Gatland
is not the only problem in Welsh rugby right now.
You know, they've had a horrendous financial crisis in terms
of you know, the financial cuts they've had to implement
on the squads. There's arguably too many sides now, even
the likes of Sound Warburton saying it's got to go
from four four teams down to three. The Welsh team itself,

(50:11):
the national side is very callow and Gatland, you know,
there are sometimes you watch him in the press conferences
he looks like the weight of the world is on
his shoulders and he's run out of ideas. And I
suppose the big question is when if you're going to
get rid of Warren Gatland, there's going to be a
cost to it.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
You know, he was signed on big, big money.

Speaker 17 (50:32):
And that's the big problem that WRU are having to
work out, one of many big problems they are having
to work out if he is he the man?

Speaker 9 (50:40):
Do they think he's the man?

Speaker 17 (50:41):
But equally what crisis do they have to sold first?
I mean it's almost where do you start because it's
this horrendous vicious circle in Welsh rugby because if they
don't sell out the you know card, if they don't
sell out the principality, then they don't get the money.
But equally, no one's going to go and watch it
if they're going to get drubbed by fifty points every time.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Lad if I can just champion here, I think it's
really interesting what James is talking about and there's so
many similarities with train with Welsh rugby of recent years
around the provinces.

Speaker 11 (51:11):
How many years? And what about the team? What about
the coaches?

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Well, you know Australian rugby has had three coaches in
three years. You know they've had four coaches in five years.
Changing the coach doesn't always necessarily change the landscape. So
it's a really fascinating dilemma that that Whales have got
themselves into it at the moment. But spending money unnecessarily
on paying out coaches isn't always the best idea.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Christ You'll stick with you. South Africa sweek the North,
the All Blacks win two Big Tests out of three.
Australias on the up Brett Robinson's the World Rugby cheer,
that wasn't a bad month or so for the Southern
Hemisphere teams.

Speaker 11 (51:46):
Well is it a surprise? It's just it's the same
old story, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Every year we hear the six nation sides arising they're
going to be a giant and force, particularly come the
World Cup. So every world cut bar one in two
thousand and three suggests that the Southern Hemisphere reigns supreme
and I think we just saw how strong the Rugby
Championship is. Unfortunately, it doesn't have the history and it
doesn't have the prestige that the Six Nations carries with it,

(52:13):
the absolute tribalism, the amazing atmospheres. But what it does
have and what it produces is damn good players with
a great belief and a desire and know how to
win games. So yeah, I think what we're seeing is
just how good the All Blacks are. You know, There's
been a lot that's been said around South Africa's departure

(52:34):
from Super Rugby and that is definitely hurt probably the
overall product, but it still is a great force and
the Rugby Championship is just such a strong, strong competition
and tournament and it's interesting that going forward it looks
like it's only going to be played every second year.
So I just wonder what the long term ramifications are

(52:54):
for watering down the Rugby Championship will.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Be James Barrage BBC rugby commentator speaking from up North
and Christy Dorian, rugby editor for the RALE, giving a
Southern hemusphere Australian perspective with us on Weekly in Sports, Gentlemen,
I want to get your perspective on a New Zealand issue.
The first year of All Black's head coach Scott Robinson.
Fourteen games down, teen wins for defeats is outsiders. What

(53:20):
have you made of that first season, James, I'll start
with you.

Speaker 9 (53:24):
I think he's done well. I think New Zealand I've
done well.

Speaker 17 (53:27):
I think they've definitely unleashed a few more stars which
we've got to see for the first time. You're missing
your first choice ten, but even you still have the
likes of Damien McKenzie coming straight off the bench and
nailing every kick.

Speaker 9 (53:39):
And that's like a knife through the heart for a.

Speaker 11 (53:40):
Lot of our.

Speaker 17 (53:41):
Teams because they don't have those big match players who
can come on and kick.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
And I think it's just underline.

Speaker 17 (53:46):
This autumn series is underline when the games have been
so tight, you cannot have a goalkicker who misses kicks.
You've got to be able to nail them under pressure
when it really matters. But in many ways, if you're
a purist, one of the most beautiful things in the
world is seeing in New Zealand back line absolutely tear
it up. Your back five are just outrageous. The skill

(54:09):
set is just something to behold. So if you're a
purist watching the automation series as we have done, some
of the stuff he's going to shaped together has been
really impressive. Ireland were well off it in that first
Test match and I didn't see that one coming. I
thought Ireland would beat them. They were lucky, you could
say against englm what width of the post? But I
feel under Robertson that there's still more to come.

Speaker 9 (54:30):
I don't get the.

Speaker 17 (54:30):
Feeling that they've even got out a third gear under
Robertson yet, and I'm fascinated.

Speaker 9 (54:35):
To see where he takes the team next year.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Christy, what have you made of that first campaign?

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Oh, that's the scary thing is that the All Blacks
were nowhere near as good as what they could be.

Speaker 11 (54:44):
You know, they.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Managed to for just short on so many different games
against the spring Box in the middle of the year,
but that is the hardest place in the world. To
go to South Africa, to beat them on their own soil,
and to have to front up two Tests in a row.
I thought it was an outstanding if at all surprised. Yes,
they were pretty patchy to begin with, but I think

(55:06):
what we've seen as well. Is it's very built for
these Northern Hemisphere sides to come together for an automation
series when the Rugby Championship sides have played ten tests
in a few months. So we've got to put it
in the context around how close you are. What the
All Blacks have done great, I think is and you'll

(55:28):
see the proof and the putting in the next couple
of years. But how Scott Robinson has managed his squad,
I think he's been outstanding. He's managed to ensure that
there's been a bit of a bridge between some of
the old guard with Sam Kaine t J Perrin are
really ashering through some of this new crop. And well
it's the TV obviously the Rookie of the Year voted

(55:48):
just over the last week, but he could have easily
been the number six of the year across the globe.
Outstanding and I think he's done a fantastic job and
trying circumstances and probably the toughest position to be the
All Blacks coach off the back of a World Cup final,
there's not many places you can go other than down,
but I think they can hold their heads up pretty high.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
The final question ginder Ben so grateful for your time
on the British and Irish Lions tour, which we touched
on at the start of Hit of twenty twenty five.
How do you think the Home Union's a placed with
that series after what we've seen this year, James.

Speaker 9 (56:23):
I still think it's too early to say.

Speaker 17 (56:24):
I still think you've got to watch the Six Nations
and get a really good idea. You never pick a
Lions team in November or December, so much can change
over the next three or four months, whether it's injuries,
lack of form, change of form. Sometimes players come from
absolutely nowhere proper Boulters and I think that's the beauty
of the Six Nations this year, is that there's an

(56:44):
added edge, isn't there. There's going to be a massive
byproduct of what happens over the next.

Speaker 9 (56:48):
Three or four months.

Speaker 17 (56:50):
At the moment, you'd say a lot of those places
are probably going to be filled by Scottish and Irish players,
but who knows.

Speaker 9 (56:55):
Things could change quite quickly.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
And Christy the Wallabies, as you touched on at the
start on the gap, that British and Irish Lions series
is looking at much more enticing prospect.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Well there's definitely a chance and that's great to see
from a just from a global rugby fan perspective.

Speaker 11 (57:10):
Look, Lions series.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Typically are one by the home sides, aren't they?

Speaker 15 (57:15):
You know?

Speaker 4 (57:15):
It was only really in twenty thirteen that the Wallaby's
got beaten to one, and that was a pretty It
wasn't a well beating Wallaby side either, it was a
side in transition. So I expect them to take at
least one Test and I think the biggest challenge for
Andy Farrell is going to be deciding on who he's
ten is, because who he decides on the team.

Speaker 14 (57:33):
Probably side on the twelve, doesn't.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
It you know, does he trust Finn Russell to go
in with a only two? Pilatu Island have got a
brand new ten themselves, Bundiaki there at twelve Combinations is
the really tricky thing from a Lion's perspective, and that
balancing act will be fascinating. But at least the Wallabies
now don't have fifteen unanswered questions around how to slot

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into players. This Wallaby team actually now has about ten
to twelve guys where you can safely say they'll be
taking on.

Speaker 11 (58:05):
The lines next year.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
It means Joe Schmidt is one of two steps ahead
of Andy Fowrell.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much for
your time. Enjoy chatting rugby with you. Enjoy the brief
off season up north and the longer one down south.
James and Christy, thanks for your time.

Speaker 9 (58:19):
Cheers, cheers, guys, they worries.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
That is James Burrage from the BBC and Christy Dorian
joining us from the raw in Australia, summing up the
Test match calendar that has been in season twenty twenty
four International rugby. While we've been chatting with those fellows,
this has happened on the ACC. Mitchell is on eighty four.

Speaker 8 (58:40):
Mitchell drives down the ground, doesn't time it perfectly and
straight down the throat of Chris Works at mid off
and that is the end of the New Zealand innings.
And that's the end of Daryl Mitchell's innings.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
He's gone for eighty four. Yes, indeed, Daryl Mitchell out
for eighty four and that was the end of the
New Zealand innings. Two hundred and fifty four all out
in the second dig and that means that in Glen
will require one hundred and four to win the Test
match when play resumes at one fifty six pm to

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be precise, after they took the extra half hour, didn't
need all of it, only needed sixteen minutes and that
was the end of the black Caps inning. So England
one hundred and four to win will get you back
to Hagley Oval next hour. Here on news Talk zbign
for your views on the Test match calendar that has
been the All Black season, obviously wrapping up last week
against Italy in Turin, Australia and Ireland signing off the

(59:39):
calendar year this year has the power bay shifted if
indeed it either did fully shift up north? You look
at South Africa clear number one in the world. To
me the All Blacks room for improvement. But banks two
wins over England and Ireland one point lost to France
at the end of the season. Clearly, I think you

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take that end of year tour, but more can be
said about the Rugby Chichampionship and that loss to Argentina.
But from the end of year to it feels like
the All Blacks found their way a little bit. Australagant
certainly on the improve could have won this morning, only
one loss on the end of year tour. Not many

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would have said that a few months ago after they
got pelted about sixty seven points by Argentina. Is the
power based still with the Southern Hemisphere? Did even leave?
And is that Australian team just worry you ever so slightly?
I looked at that performance this morning against the Irish

(01:00:45):
and thought, that is a performance. The way they're playing,
clearly Joshmant, lovely interplay between the forwards and the backs.
The defense was outstanding. I'm sure Jochmant probably picked apart
Ireland and knows some of their systems to the nth degree,

(01:01:05):
But I haven't the Wolbies played that well for quite
some time, maybe a couple of performances of the day
for any year. But I watched that and thought that's
an Australian team that is poised to get better. Doesn't
feel like it's been stagnant. Want to hear from you, Oh,

(01:01:26):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two
for a text mess. At least talk a bit of
rugby before we get back to the cricket. Here on
News Talk ZB it is coming up twenty seven after
one one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
ABB twenty nine after one on News Talk ZIB Let's
talk a bit of rugby to wrap up the international
season twenty twenty four. Couple of texts in on the
season that has been. Paul says this, we keep hearing
about building, rebuild, learnings, and when the All Blacks lose
all of a sudden, it's about the World Cup and
they are trending in the right direction after twelve games,

(01:02:05):
still making excuses. Let's get real, Italy were a hopeless team.
Ask yourself if the All Black's gotten better after twelve games.
Answer is no. Razor is an impossed Thank you very
much Pul for the text. I suppose you look at
that inter view tour in isolation and go, I do
and go. Two wins over England and Irelands, one point

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lost to France. That's a better return than perhaps many expected.
I think the test match selection for Italy was too
conservative last week. You can't put players out four weeks

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in a row on an inter of view tour. That's
the only time you play consecutive matches for four weeks straight.
You might play super for four weeks straight, but you
don't do it in test matches. Outside of World Cup
inter view tours, you have four, maybe five test matches
scheduled in consecutive weeks. I thought there was unusual. You
haven't seen previous All Blacks coaches do that with their selections.

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Certainly they target matches and go, this is where we
can rotate. And I don't think we learned a lot
from that Italian performance, Whereas it would have been an
opportunity to learn about Reuben Love, learn about Peter Luckye
had he started, learn about Fabian Hond and go into

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twenty twenty five armed with a bit more knowledge about
these players. That's what I expected them to do. They
didn't do that, and it was a clumsy performance. It
was a tired performance, I thought last week and she
wean it was a performance that looked like players who

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had been playing four weeks straight. Wallace Tt I thought
was very good last week. That was his fifth straight
test match week. So I think you look at twenty
twenty five and go there are very few opportunities to
roll out Perhaps teams or players in an environment where

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you are expected and should win and can learn a
bit more about players. So I agree with your point, Paul.
I think you look at that year ago, are they
improved well? Weirdly, the jury is still out from after
that first test in England to where we are at
the end of the year nine nine two. For a text,

(01:04:43):
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Tim says this
high alligant the rules suit South Africa game might as
well be American football. Fifty players and so many stoppages.
We need to get fatigue into the game more. Hopefully
this ossie guy Robinson will sort the old guard out. Well,
he'll meet a bit of resistance, I am sure in
doing so. I think there are a number of changes

(01:05:06):
that we could make to bring in fatigue in the game.
And that's what sport should be about, is bringing in changes.
You know, when someone perfects a rule, you then begin
to tweak it, you begin to learn more. The endgame
moved out the three point line when players became so
good at it. Do they need to move it out again?

(01:05:29):
When teams perfect and get on top of a rule
like South Africa have with their very very good bomb squad.
That's when you begin to consider some changes like I
would be in favor of being able to name a
nine or ten person bench, but only being able to
use five of them brings in fatigue into the game more.
That means you have to consider, hey, you use your substitutes,

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be a bit more tactical. It also changes the last
twenty minutes of the test matches. It's gonna be interested.
See what but Robinson does. They spoke to pind a
few weeks ago. Fair bit in the inbox. I'm sure
for Brett Robinson. Another one says this from Brett is
rais a skin of losing or excited by winning. Picked

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the young dog and coach him. Yeah, I think there
was a point. We obviously seen Wallace to TD second
half of the year stand up and be really impressive.
They took a chance on him for that second test
in Cape town ethan blackad are out injured. Had other

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players could have gone, Luke Jacobson on the blind side
decided to pump Wallace to TD, put him in the team,
pay dividends. No, you can't leave him out of a
first choice. All Blacks fifteen by the end of the
year would have liked to see more of Billy Proctor
this year, no doubt about it, only saw him twice.

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That I think is a real question heating into next year.
What when do we begin to see these players to
begin to build the depth ticks from Jeffer, Tony Brown
needs to be jumbo jitted into the All Blacks. He
understands ball playing, so TTV, running out of the backs

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like ps Peter Sifted, Toyt Brown, head coach Schmidt, and
Cottter So Jeff is advocating for a clearout already look
I suspect Tony Brown's South African Spring Books contract might
be a little bit water tight. I think some of
the detail is a little bit lacking from the All

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Blacks in the clean out area of the game. Some
of the detail handling rockwork just hasn't been quite there
at times on their inter of view tour. I think
certainly something that needs to be looked at going into
twenty five, another one of this four losses in one

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season for the All Blacks. One of the worst seasons ever.
Not wrong, I remember five and nine, only eight fourteen
tests this year should have won one in South Africa
at least one point of losing in France. The one

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that really sticks in the craw as the Argentina Argentina game.
Excuse me and Wellington. I think it still lives a
little bit rent free in the All Blacks heads. Maybe
that has potentially made them a little bit gun shy
as well, knowing that they had those losses on their
shoulders already this year, couldn't afford another one because I

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think that Argentine. I know because I spoke to Scott
Robinson about the season of review. You might have heard
it last week on Hearing News Talks Hebb that Argentina
loss lives rent free and some of the All Blacks
coaches heads because they shouldn't have lost that game, had
no reason to lose them they did twenty twenty five.

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We are a very interesting year, I'm sure of that.
When it comes to the All blackst just joining us.
Black Caps are all out two hundred and fifty four.
England will need one hundred and four to win the
Test match, play resuming at one fifty six at Hagley Oval.
Take a break, come back with more after this. James
Maconey going to do the show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
You be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with GJ. Gunnos, New
Zealand's most trusted home builder, News.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Talk ZEDB twenty away from two on News Talk ZB.
As we do this time every Sunday afternoon, it's a
very warm welcome. James mcconey, Good afternoon, Elliott.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
How's it going mate?

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
You're right, I'm good, Thank you good, thank you. Good
to be back in New Zealand and watching some cricket.
It would be better if the black Caps could catch.
Having said that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:07):
Yeah, I know they put down a few chances. Catches
with matches, as they say it. Look, I think this
just shows that when you're a team that's regularly playing
Test cricket like England and seem to just have a
bit more composure and a confident when they're big guns
aren't firing. I mean, Joe Root got a duck right,

(01:10:27):
so he was out after four balls, but Harry Brook
set them up with one hundred and seventy one for
an inning. That's really going to ensure that your team
is in a winning position. But you know, my main
issue I think with this was just maybe in the
selection I sort of felt that there would have been
room for a proper spinner. I would have liked to
have seen, you know, Mitch Stanton had a side strain.

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But I still believe in picking your best spinner for
even tests in New Zealand. And then also, you know,
Will Young the player of the series in India and
I can't get a gig, And I just thought after
you know has averages thirty seven for the calendar year,

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and I think someone like Devin Conway who's been slipping
away a little bit, his average has gone from fifty
down to thirty eight, and maybe just keep stay with
the hot hands, stay with Bill Young.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Well, yeah, I think the team you look at and
at the moment you've got to go with the players
that are in form and the packs and players that
are woefully out of form rather than the ones that,
as you say, have the hot hand.

Speaker 15 (01:11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
And that's the tricky thing with batting is I mean,
I know Conway has been in there as an open
Will Young has opened as well. Is that you know
it is it's a confidence game and taking that momentum
away from Bill Young. I think that's what's customers entire
or short test career is knowing that he's probably that
he might get dropped the next the very next game,

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and that's what's happened to it after a history making
series win in India. So it's just a few I
guess what you call it, like philosophical differences with the
way that we pick our team.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Indeed, speaking of philosophical differences, Scott Robertson is going to
go to the New Zealand Rugby Board again on the
eligibility matter and see if maybe there's a door that
can open to players from abroad to play for the
All Blacks. Again, what do you make of that? We're abouts?
Do you stand on the jams?

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
I don't think we can afford to pick players from overseas.
I just think that once the flood gates are opened,
I mean, then there might be if there was a
special dispensation. Maybe there's that. But you know, if you
want Super Rugby and the NPC to survive, you can't
just suddenly say we're picking from all around the world,
as simple as that. But we know it's all about

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one person. It's all about Richie Moonger, right, So for me,
if you're chasing you know Richie Moonger from four years ago,
I mean it's a bit like trying to get back
with you with the r X. We've all done that
and we you know, and it's a rare skin. It
doesn't always work, you know. It's the same as rugby players.

Speaker 18 (01:13:09):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
There's a few more miles on the clock, a bit
more stuck in their ways. They're always complaining about clothes
on the floor and the amount of time is watching
sport and where to go for Christmas. Sorry, it's got
triggered there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
It feels like you're just brought up some repris memories
for you. Sorry James, but you know what.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
It's like, are we going to get the Is he
going to get the player that he really wants if
he's going in for more Warner? And also I just
wonder whether what it says about New Zealand's development. I
think we've verse five has been a real blind spot
for us. I mean France they just chucked Ramos and
there's their fullback and they were fine, you know, like
where we have got a big mental blockover all who

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plays first five and and and so so much focus
goes on it. I actually personally think it's one of
the more fun and easy positions in rugby, and then
we shouldn't he shouldn't actually stress about it. You know,
play seem to would be a lot scarier than just
been tacking in and playing first five. I think the

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way Ireland protected Johnny Sexton for years there he could
have played first five until he was forty eight thirty eight,
the way that they did that. So yeah, I'm not underperceived.
Join that yourself, Elliott, you're the rugby reporterby editor.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Look, if they're going to do it, it needs to be very,
very limited. It needs to be maybe one forward, one back,
having reached a certain number of caps as sort of
a thanks to you long service, appreciate it, and we
will still want you any part of the team. I
wouldn't want it to become widespread, but I think there
are certain limitations. You could cap on it and go, Okay,

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this player's given us All New Zealand. He deserves to
go make some yeen abroad and we still want a
part of the All Blacks. But if you can make
the restrictions and the qualifications for that pretty tight, I
would be open to it to an extent, but you
wouldn't want it to become wide spreads. Let's top football James,

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because Auckland f C have forgotten how to lose or
liver lost.

Speaker 6 (01:15:13):
What's that sorry the Auckland C. Yeah, I was just
before we move on there. I was going to say,
I think that's a good that's not a bad scheme.
If they could do it that way, then maybe that's
one way of selling it. But you know, the players
who make that sacrifice, then you've got to you know,
balance it out for them, otherwise there could be some
floodgates opening. But yes, Auckland CE have just kept on

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winning and kept on keeping a clean sheet. Alex Paulson
I heard that he was before the Tiwi Classico the
derby with Wellington Phoenix, that he was so stressed out
about that, you know, really fearful actually how he's going
to get treated down in Wellington. So he's been going
on this really emotional roller coaster playing for what is

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essentially the arch nemesis of his of his beloved Phoenix,
and being almost best player on the park and when
he's up against the Phoenix again this weekend. So that's
a story within the story if you like. But really
just what they've.

Speaker 15 (01:16:10):
Done is that they've recruited well, Mordno from Columbia, I
think scored yesterday, So even their imports have been not
really well chosen, and they play a really good style.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
The only thing that I think is missing from them
is creating a few more chances that are clear cut,
and it's a little bit frustrating. Sometimes they play these
inverted wingers where you know you got someone on the
left who's actually right foot, so when they cut back
in they can shoot, but conversely it means they don't
necessarily cross the ball as well. So when they can

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sort that out, then I think they'll be scoring in bunches.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
That darby next week's you got to be huge, isn't
it at Mount Smart huge?

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
Yeh, sell out. It's I think it's twenty six thousand,
they're saying. So it is messive, and I mean all
eyes on the goal is because last time the Phoenix
goalie pretty much lost it for the Knicks, and then
again Paulson, Let's just see the stress levels he must feel.

(01:17:13):
I mean, in terms of emotions, the most emotional game
he's ever had and he's having to back it up
a few weeks later.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
And just finally, James tell me about this, what Tom
Molsh and Hamish Caure up to the alt or Athletics Trust.
I haven't heard of this.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
Yeah, this is something that they're starting for young athletes.
They're trying to help with the funding. It's really tough,
I think for the athletes who are even getting to
towards Olympics or definite World Champs level to get any
kind of funding. They're always having to juggle jobs and
try and scrounge for sponsorship. So this trust is really
there to have a look online if you like alt
out or Athletics Trust dot com. It's really designed to

(01:17:53):
help the next generation of athletes and you get the
expertise of people like Hamish care and Tom Walsho are
behind it to help you, you know, as mentors. So
when that sort of I was there at the launch
about a week ago and they just invited a few
key stakeholders and me. I don't know why I was there,

(01:18:14):
but it was a free lunch.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Elliott, here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
Yeah, and no such thing I have to talk about
on radio now.

Speaker 18 (01:18:22):
But no.

Speaker 6 (01:18:22):
I think what they're doing really is trying to get
away from the funding models that don't work for everyone.
For every Olympic medalist and athlete, there's about four or
five others who fall by the wayside and sometimes never
ever realized their potential. I mean just a recent example
might be Eddie and Kitty at the sprinter. So if

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you're interested in that and you think that you'd like to,
if you're keen on your athletics and you think it's
an important sport, which I think it really is, and
go to Alturtleathletics trust dot com and find out how
you can donate and find out about their events. And
in the case of Hamish Curve, I think he's going
to compete at least twice over the summer. I mean,

(01:19:06):
remember this is the Olympic gold medalist high jumper, and
I think it'll be at the Brook's Gardens and Wanga
Nui's so good, oh Wanganu, he's going to get a
look at him. And also the National Champs in Dunedan,
so that's where you'll get to see the great man himself.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Ah good. I mean you're obviously at started to France
last year with me at the World Cup commentating those
guys I looked, you know, started to France and I
was there a couple of weeks back, and they'll go.
That's where hamous Kerr got the gold medal. That's where
he got it. I was and he did the run
around the track. It was so good exactly, I know.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
And I didn't even make it to that although I
just think that like that, that moment is just so exceptional.
We've never seen anything like that. I mean, you met
Williams one and the long jumper, you know, high jump
in the modern era is just that. We never see
the New Zealand flag, you know, anywhere close to the podium,
and now we've got this guy who's right at the top. It's, yeah,

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something special for the sport. And also you can trace
athletics back to a lot of you know, top sports
people here in New Zealand in their past. You know
there's Sunny Bill has been involved, you know, so many
of our rugby players, cricketers. Yep, we're great in athletics
and netball. So this is the thing. I think it's

(01:20:20):
still really important and go out there and support that
sport because you know, this is where it's the building
blocks and we want to be part of the prestige sport.
I think of the Olympics the way we were in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Paris absolutely James Laconey is always thank you very much
for your time on a Sunday afternoon. Appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
Cheers Elliott.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
That is James Laconey joining us as he does on
a Sunday afternoon here on News Talk ZB and Weekend Sport.
Take a break, come back, wrap up the hour up
after this on News Talk ZB, where it is coming
up eight away from two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Olympic field
Weekend Sport News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
A couple more techs on the rugby to finish the hour.
Ed with this, the Box used fifty players and only
lost two matches. The Box now have f fifty players
of test game capable capability. All they tried all different ways,
change things and ideas. I think that New Zealand would
have put on a different, complete, different team against Italy,
a team that most provincial teams and some senior club

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teams would beat. They did retain a lot of players
from the World Cup because of their selection policy, is
the one thing I'd point out there. Ed, I think
they only lost one or two players to retirements. Another
one says there's only shock locks this year was Argentina,
but we can't keep changing our tens. We need to
build and Christmas, I played rugby back in the late

(01:21:41):
eighties and nineties that recall over three hundred k registered players,
now close to half that number, including the growth in
women's rugby. Need to grow the game at grass roots again,
thank you very much for the text, Chris. Couple more
that it might get too. After two o'clock England have
come to the crease in the crickets and we've seen
off the first ball Crawley and Ducket at the crease.
They need one hundred and four to win. Tim Soudy

(01:22:04):
charging in from the porthills in christ Church to try
and get some wickets and get the Black Cabs maybe
a sniff of winning this Test match. Coming up after
two o'clock we Talk We Talk Auckland FC, with Jacob Spoonley,
Sky commentator and former All White going to join the
program to look at their fifth straight win to start

(01:22:25):
the A League season. Mike Manay from BBC Radio Manchester
on the program next hour as well. Manchester City six
games without a win, five of those defeats and five
some of them quite heavy defeats at that as well,
and they face the competition leaders in the Premier League
overnight tonight in Liverpool, Black Maney next hour on the
program News Sport and we're the next here on News

(01:22:46):
Talk ZIB.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
The only plays for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
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Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Welcome back in six and a half after two on
News Talk zedvat final hour of Weekend Sport. Before we
go any further, let's bring you this good. I see
our friends at the ac seat in one for nine.

Speaker 8 (01:23:22):
This is the second over Henry Crawley drive and he's
quarter by by Henry.

Speaker 11 (01:23:28):
What a catch that was.

Speaker 8 (01:23:30):
He missed time to drive. It was full and Henry
with a reflex catch to his right. He got two
hands to it. Not easy, those certain not easy. But
Crawley for one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Indeed, Crawley goes for one. England now nine for one
they are chasing. Well, they need ninety five more put
it that way, so it's under one hundred now they've
just gone bang bang with fours and the target of
one hundred and forward to win the Test match. But
hey still a chance for the Black Cats. We will
get you to Hagley over before the hour is out.

(01:24:04):
Getting update from Andrew Ordison as this test match continues,
maybe for only a couple more hours potentially, but you
never know, you never know. Also this out Jacob Spoonley,
Sky Sport football commentator and former all Way It's going
to join us to reflect on five straight for Auckland

(01:24:24):
FC to start their campaign to start their life as
a professional side. Good win over Newcastle Jets and driving
rain yesterday left it late but hags a couple of goals.
Jacob Spoonley to join the program to look back and
also look ahead to next week's derby. Very shortly, we

(01:24:46):
continue with football Mike Minate out of BBC Radio Manchester
to digging what on earth is going wrong with the
four time reigning Champions of England. Manchester City haven't won
in six five of those who been losses. They blew
a three mil lead in the Champions League against Final
during the week drew three. That's the only non loss

(01:25:08):
of the period and they've got Liverpool tomorrow morning in
the Premier League and Chris Wood's Nottingham Forest later on
in the week as well. Daunting seven days ahead for
Manchester City. We dig into what's going wrong with Mike
Manay very shortly here on News Talks you beat where
it is eight after two, and this time every Saturday,

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every Sunday, it is in case you missed it, everything
you need to know. With a round of the Sporting World.
We go to cut it Max for Stappin with a
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Time world champion.

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What's his ratful long pole? By fifty five one thousands.

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Of a second? However that asterix he's been penalized the spot,
so he'll start from second on the Gridley and Lawson
with a frustrating at seventeenth in qualifying. Just up the
road from Kutza, we go to Dubai where it was
a tough old day for the all black sevens team New.

Speaker 9 (01:26:17):
Zealand looking to steal it away.

Speaker 17 (01:26:21):
We've said so many last minute winners on day.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
One here in Dubai. We're not going to get one here.

Speaker 19 (01:26:27):
New Zealand's way for the four world bounce and it
will sit up beheadedly.

Speaker 20 (01:26:32):
For Felipe Sutkaranga beg win it and now New Zealand's
face is out of their.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Hands indeed losing to Spain, but they did get through
to the quarterfinals and they'll play South Africa who they
lost to of course to be knocked out of the Olympics.
So that is overnight tonight, be hating happy and use
the Black Fern Sevens on a bit of a roll
to make it through to the corners.

Speaker 19 (01:26:55):
As this one's been plucked away by Caitlin Vaja Calo.
She has lit up world rugby the last couple of
years and doing it on the seven series.

Speaker 17 (01:27:02):
Caitlin Vaha Calo.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Gets the dry three wins, three matches for the Black
Fern Sevens. Let's go to the Premier League. A high
scoring of fear between Arsenal and Wistam under.

Speaker 20 (01:27:12):
Kosaka by the girl kicker stuff. But it's going to
be five two to Arsenal in all probability. The honest
and most eye catching of halftime.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Scores and that was how it remained five to two
the full time score. Let's stay with the Premier League
and another win for Nottingham Forest with the goal once
again from our man Chris.

Speaker 19 (01:27:37):
Wood is record equalegue straight from Chris Wood.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
He joins Brian Lloy as.

Speaker 19 (01:27:46):
Nothing in Forest's most chronic Premier League goal scorer.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
weekend Sport.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Let's talk some more football here on news Talk ZIBB.
Manchester City on a diabolical run of form at the moment,
quite unbelievable the run that the four time champions of
England are currently on.

Speaker 20 (01:28:12):
This will be the most high catching score line right
across Europe this weekend. And it's five, yes, five consecutive defeats.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
For the champions and that three all draw against final
would after being three nil up as well. To add
into the mixed legs heat across to Manchester. BBC radio
football commentator and a reporter for Manchester City is Mike
mc name and he joins us now on news Talks.
He be Mike thinks so much for joining us. No problem, well,

(01:28:41):
broad question, what on earth has gone wrong with Manchester
City start worry if you.

Speaker 9 (01:28:46):
Like it is, Yeah, I mean how long does your show?

Speaker 18 (01:28:51):
Do?

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
You know what?

Speaker 21 (01:28:52):
There are many many factors behind this, I think, but slowly,
week by week we are kind of learning which factors
are our most important. So the one that will go
over the whole season is roder and Rodger's injury. I
think he he is obviously a crucial player. The argument
for him being the ball on door winner, which he was,

(01:29:13):
was simply I think with all the other contenders, somebody
else could do their job to a better ability or
the similar ability. So you know, Vinicius Junior for example,
where you could there are other wide wingers and Bape
for example, who could possibly do a similar job. Arling
Harland was in the contention, you can find other goal scorers.
And with RODERI nobody can do Roger's job better than

(01:29:36):
roder And and nobody. You know, there's not a team
in the world that Rodri doesn't walk into. So I
think that's that's one big factor missing him. But that
shouldn't be the only factor. That shouldn't be an excuse
not to win another game ever again, so I think
within that they you then look at the number of
injuries and I think this is quite crucial. At one point,

(01:29:56):
Manchester City we're missing Rodrick Walker, Stones, Diaz, Docu, Grealish,
I've missed a Kokovacic. If you if you look at that,
I think there's an obvious you know, any team that's
missing eight first team members would would struggle, and that
has happened to Manchester do they are getting some of
those backs. So when I said that, we're learning, you know,

(01:30:19):
perhaps how important each factor is. If we're gonna look
at injuries, we're starting to learn just how important that's been.
If results pick up when injuries come back, then then
we can say that is ultimately the biggest factor. I
think one of them was Pep Guardiola's contract, but that's
now been sorted. We know he's got two more years
and they're still losing, so maybe it isn't the biggest factor.
And finally is I think the other one to look

(01:30:42):
at is possibly an aging squad. So you've got Ilkai
Gunder and his back after a year out, and it's
amazing almost what a year out can do. I think
he doesn't quite look as on it or as sharp
as he did in twenty twenty three when he left.
Is the trouble winning captain. I think the other ones
to keep an eye on is Kyle Walker, who used
to be able to give attackers ten yards and still

(01:31:04):
make that back when defending. I don't think he's quite
got that now. I think he's lost a little bit
of that pace, whether he accepts it or not. So
I think, overall, very long winded answer. I appreciate when
you combine all those factors, there is an issue in
Manchester City that they're all combining together. And confidence is
such a fragile thing. So when one of those things
starts to go wrong and the results start to turn,

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then it starts to have a knock on effects. And
we've seen that with the five straight defeats. I think
we saw it in midweek against fire Ord in the
Champions League in that from three nil up City a
year ago would not have thrown that away. And people
have looked at the changes Pep Guardiola made that night,
and he'd have made those changes a year ago and
it wouldn't have it wouldn't have had an impact and

(01:31:48):
they'd have won the game three nil. They might not
have got a fourth, but they'd have won three nil.
But I think soon as that goal went in. You
had a slightly put together side, a tired side, but
an inexperienced side in some of the positions, and you
just for the first time in a long time, felt
that actually three to one meant the game wasn't done
as it wasn't it wasn't done. So yeah, a lot

(01:32:09):
of factors. It's certainly made it an interesting talking point
for a club that actually over the past few years
have been pretty boring to talk about because they're winning
all the time. So now we've got something new to
talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Certainly, how is Pitt Guardile handling this run of defeats
or six games without a win, because he wouldn't have
had this in his entire managerial career to this point,
As you mentioned Manchester's he accustomed to sixties. But some
of those issues you mentioned there are compelling factors behind it.

(01:32:41):
But how's Pitt Guardy handling.

Speaker 12 (01:32:42):
All this.

Speaker 9 (01:32:44):
With steely determination?

Speaker 21 (01:32:46):
He is now repeating a lot in his press conferences
that he's here, that he wants the challenge, that he
he's up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
For the fight.

Speaker 21 (01:32:55):
You know, he wants to find new ways.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
That is his job.

Speaker 21 (01:32:58):
He realizes that he keeps sometimes referencing twenty sixteen in
that when he first came to the club was written
off in the first season was a failure. Could he
crack the Premier League? And he's certainly in the other
seven years eight years he's been here has shown as
that he most perfectly can't, you know, find the solutions

(01:33:19):
and he keeps changing his taxics. It's not the same
Manchester City style that was there in twenty seventeen. The
core basics are the same, but there's other little methods
around it and intricacies that he's worked on. So this
is just the latest challenging. He has said that he
said to the board with his contract that give me
the chance, let me turn this around, let me find
the next solution. So he's yeah, he's certainly ready for

(01:33:41):
the fight.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
The fan base his were touched on have had some success.
They often coming for criticism. The Manchester City fan base
in the one that sort of swelled in recent times
is the success has gone on. But you know what,
they're not banging for blood of pic Guardiola, are they?

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:33:59):
Not yet.

Speaker 21 (01:34:02):
I think that there is a portion of the fans
base that have only known success or. I think there
are some that have sadly just got used to the success.
So any dipping standards, You know, no side is going
to win every title every year forever, and I think
anything below first place in Manchester City is a disappointment,
but a lot of a patient and a lot of

(01:34:24):
appreciate what they've done for Premier League titles in a row,
something that no other side's done before. So I think, yeah,
he's got a lot of credit in the bank. Pep Guardiola.
There was a joke going around our office the other
day just how many more would they have to lose
before he before he lost his job, But the conclusion
was still they are, you know, a long way off
even contemplating that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Well, it doesn't get any easy. At five am tomorrow morning,
New Zealand time Liverpool at Enfield, and then you've got
Nottingham Forest featuring New Zealand goal scoring machine Chris would
to face off against later in the week. So look,
a couple of trickier fears for Manchester City to navigate
over the coming days as well. Really tough ass when
you haven't won in eat in the last six.

Speaker 21 (01:35:06):
Yeah, well, let's quickly just touch on Forrest at home.
You had backed Manchester City to win the game and
Forest wouldn't have been in contention. However, with Spurs winning
at thet he had the first team to do so
in two years. Then suddenly that changes things and as
you say, yeah, Chris Wood is certainly going to be
a handful. It'll be interesting to see what defenders are
around then to handle. Chris Wood bought the bigger game,

(01:35:29):
the most important game. Let's not beat around the bush.
Let's call it a title deciding game or title race
deciding to see if Manchester City are perhaps still in
the races?

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
Is it Liverpool.

Speaker 21 (01:35:41):
It's at Anfield, a ground that Manchester City notoriously struggle out.
They've had two wins there since two thousand and three.
One of those was behind closed doors in COVID that
the other victory in two thousand and three was the
last time City won there. With fans, they don't particularly
enjoy going to Anfield. They've had some really rough experiences there.
They've got to draw there last year. Johnstone's open the

(01:36:02):
score in McAllister equalize. But this is a Liverpool side,
despite the questions over him. With Jurgen Klop departing, actually
have had the second best start in Premier League history.
They are. They're a ruthless machine at the minute. They
beat the European champions Real Madrid on Wednesday night and
Anfield as well. So I think most important for Manchester

(01:36:24):
City is to get the first goal. If Liverpool get
the first goal, I fear where Citi's heads will be
at Anfield will be baying for blood and there's a
danger I think that, you know, Liverpool could could.

Speaker 9 (01:36:35):
Run away with it.

Speaker 21 (01:36:37):
Eleven points if Liverpool win is the gap. I think
that's too insurmountable for Manchester City, even at this early
point in the season.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Thank you very much, Mike Mana great to check with
you on news talk z be this afternoon BBC Radio
Manchester commentator and reporter. You say a game five a
him tomorrow and morning we have Manchester City gone wrong.
I li if the country for five weeks and returned
and they haven't won a single game in that time.

(01:37:03):
Liverpool fans, you must be absolutely locking you all lips
at the prospect of facing Manchester City at Anfield and
the lines Den tomorrow morning. For a text or one
hundred and eighty ten eight if you've got a thought
on that, have to hear from you football fans very shortly.
We'll check it on Auckland EFC as well. Get some

(01:37:26):
thoughts from Jacob Spoonley on how they have tracked through
the opening five games of the season. Fifteen points in
the bag for Auckland FC this season. England must have
a late tea time. I'm guessing having the booked out
at clear Water, Roussly, Pegasus, maybe Shirley somewhere in christ Church.

(01:37:53):
Feels like they've got something on this afternoon. This England team.
I think in the time we spoke with Mike, they've
added forty runs and this Test is going to be
over relatively quickly. I suspect fifty five for one England

(01:38:14):
six point five overs down. They need forty nine more
runs to win. Nathan Smith's first over with the ball
has yet to be complete. It is now complete. He
has gone for sixteen runs. We'll check in with Andrew
Ordison later in the hour. We might indeed be wrapping
up a Test match if England continue at this rate

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of knots text line open or anything you want to
get stuck into nine two nine two the number. I
think we can probably start talking about some changes to
the black Caps as well if you want to do that,
because barring nine wickets of forty nine, they're going to
be one nil down in a matter of time. Twenty
two after two on Newstalk ZI be back with more.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Twenty five after two on news TALKSZBA. The black Caps
have nabbed another at Hagleygoval.

Speaker 22 (01:39:12):
This is ramped down to Cord duck It on his
way and a row his first delivery in the second
and ends he gets to work it. Ducket gave himself
him outside the legs something just ramped it straight to
the man at third.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Man England now fifty nine for so they need forty
five to win. Route the new man at the crease
and he's just banged a four. Let's go back to
talking football on News Talk z Beep searching for the
goal to break the deadlock.

Speaker 23 (01:39:44):
Degrees He's crown of the barn man is no man,
Nana No, We're a finished having quality to what.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Was against the Newcastle Jets yesterday Mount Smart Stadium Court
in the game for Sky was from raw White Jacob Spoonley.
He joins us now on newstalk zem B. Good afternoon, Jacob,
Good afternoon, Elliott. Look all my time's coming on this
wonderful show. Today feels different. I don't want to say
dear to Elliott, but it's hitting that way. I can't

(01:40:25):
put my finger on what exactly it is though, mate.
Oh look I can't put my finger on it either,
But let's let's see what we can do in this chat.
Five in a row. Who would have picked that, Jacob?
I mean, what world would you have expected an expansion
team to bank fifteen points from their first five games.

Speaker 7 (01:40:43):
It is absolutely remarkable, Elliott. But I think it is
an indication as to the quiet work gets gone on
in football over the last ten years. The player development
side of things has been there, and we know we've
got this young cohort coming through. We also know that
we've been underrepresented in the A leagues as kiwis Awkland

(01:41:06):
this wonderfully wonderful sporting market. It seems that we've got
a confluence of all those things and they've come together
perfectly so that we've got this Auckland FC team that
has not only been great Elliott, but is historically great.
They have surpassed so many records now and the one
that is really remarkable is last night they brought they

(01:41:28):
broke a forty seven year old record that has stood
since nineteen seventy seven and that belonged to Western Suburbs
in Sydney. So Auckland has now bone the longest without
conceding a goal as they've joined the top tier in
the Australian competition.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
It's remarkable, isn't it. I mean, how have they done
it on the park? You mentioned that defensive stat there.
They've obviously banged on goals at the other end as well.
But it seems like the whole team is in sync
at this point of the season, which is remarkable given
how late some players come in to the A League.
It just seems like everything has clicked.

Speaker 7 (01:42:08):
Yeah, And I think one of the things that is
overlooked is that there's the key we contingent the fact
that this team is built on a foundation of local players.
So if we look at the squad, there's eighteen New
Zealanders in this team. That is absolutely stark contrasts to
what we had with the Knights. And also I think
with the Kings as well. Elliott of the eighteen and

(01:42:29):
the squad eleven have seen game time this season, and
there were eight New Zealanders that were on the field yesterday.
So these are all players that have grown up together.
They're not familiar to the audience, but they are familiar
with each other. You then compliment that with a coach
that has won numerous titles, both championships and then also
playoffs in the A League and Steve Coriker, Terry mcflynn

(01:42:51):
the director of football. He's somebody that knows this league
inside out, both as a player and then as an administrator.
And you add on to that as the last factor.
They're well resourced and highly motivated ownership group that is
expanding at this point in time, obviously led by Bill Foley,
but then and Immobra, Ali Williams, Tim Brown, Winston read.

(01:43:15):
These are all people that are very passionate about football,
and at the moment the alchemy is beautifully balanced.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but
they seem to have scored a lot of their goals lakes.
I mean, that's in itself quite remarkable, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:30):
Elliott, I have the numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
That's why it's brilliance.

Speaker 7 (01:43:37):
Look, the one thing, the one criticism that can be
made of the team is that they haven't gone ahead
necessarily early Elliott, so they were crossly get last night.
They were wonderful chances to haul Brimmer and my but
they did persevere and they have done throughout the course
of their five games so far. So six of the
eight goals that they have scored have come after the

(01:44:00):
seventy five minute marks on the last stanze of the game.
But the remarkable thing, and this is where I think
you're getting to, is that they've scored three times beyond
the ninety. And as Steve Parker said last night, although
he wants improvement and he doesn't want the kind of
heart attack kids giving them that each week, the character

(01:44:20):
that this team has demonstrated and the togetherness that they
have been able to put and so into each ninety
is the thing that is probably the most promising as
we see them really start to get into the grind
of the A League season.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
It's interesting what you mentioned about that the foundations for
this club off the field as well and the ownership,
Because I've just come back from five weeks abroad following
Rugby and come back to an Auckland city where there
are people on Queen Street wearing Auckland IFC jumpers. Yesterday
I saw them going to the game. But on Thursday,
Friday and the lead up as well, Auckland if season
now got a coffee shop, they've got a couple of bars.
It seems like in the space of about five weeks

(01:44:58):
the city's got a little bit football mad.

Speaker 7 (01:45:02):
And the thing that I think people need to be
mindful of is that we've got that direct pathway into
the twenty twenty six World Cup, so I think we
have the ability to turn it up to eleven as well, Elliott.
But the important part of this is that Auckland has
always been a footballing city. We've got wonderful clubs on
the north, the west, the South and the east of Auckland.

(01:45:26):
What we needed is a unify and I think in
the blue and the Black and the A League representation
and being part of the conversation alongside the likes of
Melbourne and Sydney, we've got a shirt that people can
get behind.

Speaker 11 (01:45:40):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:45:41):
I think people were absolutely frothing for this. They wanted it.
It was just a case of giving it to them
and making sure that it was executed in a way
that reflected Auckland, because at the end of the day,
that's what a football club is, Elliott. It is a
representation of the community. It is part of the tapestry.
And when you think about the big pubs in the UK,
because that's always our reference point for a lot of Parkier,

(01:46:04):
the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, they've got
histories that extend beyond one hundred years. What Auckland needed
to do is hit the accelerator and get that awareness,
get that feeling that they're part of the furniture of
the city and they needed to do that quickly and
I think in a lot of respects they have done that, mate.
And then your company that of course with the slide

(01:46:25):
at the ground, Elliott and I'm not sure if you're aware,
but I Jason pine owes me a trip down that
slide at some point, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Can we make it next weekend of the derby. That
would really cap things off, wouldn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:46:38):
If you want to put it out there that if
Wellington wins, I'll go down the slide and if Auckland wins,
Pineing's going to be at the top of the south
the north end of Mount Smart Stadium. I'm all for that, Elliott. Well,
I am feeling people were promised that I.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Am feeling it on the show, so I guess I'm
sort of a surrogate in some ways, so I'll accept
that on his behalf.

Speaker 7 (01:47:01):
Oh fantastic, mate. But look, that's the weekend that we've
got coming up, Elliott. We've had the first iteration, We've
now got the second coming of the derby. They haven't
confirmed it yet, but the whispers are that they have
sold out of tickets, and they did so two weeks ago.
So Auckland Sea not only performing on the field, but
definitely putting investment off the field. And the thing that

(01:47:24):
we've already got to manage is the influence of the
man that you are filling in for the Valentonians, the
ones that are heading north to be part of Go Media.
Mount Smart Yellow Fever, around about one thousand will show
up to Mount Spark Stadium next weekend and we'll get
to see not only the fireworks on the field, but
also the port and Yellow Fever going back and forth

(01:47:46):
at each other, because that is the thing that separates
football from everything else in this country is that wonderful vibrancy,
the color, the noise, the chance, the enthusiasm, the expression
of your city. And that is the one thing that
I'm absolutely pumped for next weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Well I was thinking about that yesterday because we've had
big football matches that the World Cup qualifiers and everything
like that, but to have a domestic derby where these
two teams are going at it is something that we
haven't had on this scale before in New Zealand. Obviously
there's been one already this season, but in terms of
having this rivalry, it hasn't been replicated previously. No, it hasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:48:23):
It is very novel and it's almost like a new toy,
you know, you get it at Christmas, you're not quite
sure what you can do with it, but then you
spend the days honing it. Maybe it's like a cricket
bat elliot and you have to knock it in a
little bit. And that's what we're doing at the moment.
We're trying to figure out what this thing is. But
we know that it represents us as a football community.
We know that it's exciting, we know that we want

(01:48:45):
it to stay, and we know that it's going to
be valuable on the long term. So we are hearing
that the fans themselves are trying to figure out how
they're going to create the noise and make sure that
they've heard. Obviously, the Port's going to be there in number,
but Yellow Fever will want to be heard as well.
So they've got t fots, which are the banners that
they're roll up for all the game. There might be

(01:49:06):
some smoke flares at some point as well, which obviously
aren't flears themselves, but that adds to the color as well.
It adds to that kind of that South American Europeans
vibe that so many fans want to take but also
make their own.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Have we got a name for this Derby yet? Jacob, Oh, You're.

Speaker 7 (01:49:23):
You're winding me up on your Elliott, because you know,
you know, you know most feelings, so everybody. Last night
the producers at Sky decided to go with the kiary Classico,
which has been imposed on us by the Australians because
they didn't quite understand the vibe. So I had in
my ear laughing Kingsley Hockley as he put that up
on screen because he knew he was going to get

(01:49:44):
a reaction, but I am rejecting the KILLI Classico as
I know Jason Pine does. At the moment, I think
we've got a placeholder in the India Derby. There has
been some other suggestions like the Tika Derby so teka
Amali after the North Island. I love that type of vibe.
But I think what will happen, Elliott, is it's going
to be a spark point at some stags. There's going

(01:50:06):
going to be something that happens, is going to be
a reaction, and I think that's when the name will
be established organically.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
We look forward to finding out what that Derby will
eventually be called. Jacob Spoonley, thank you very much for
your time. It's been a great chatting with you, and
next time. Look, I look forward to the slide next week.
Either way, whether it's yourself or Jason Pine, who I've nominated,
I'll look forward to that happening.

Speaker 7 (01:50:30):
So as long as you get it back to me
by the end of the day, I'll have to contract
across to you and I'm sure we can lack piney
in done.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Jacob Spoonley, thank you very much for your side this
afternoon on News Talk ZBB for worldwide. Jacob Spoonley, Skysport commentator,
joining us on the program. There are a great duo
Jason Pine and Jacob Spoonley in the Skysport commentary box
calling all the New Zealand football games, and I very
much look forward to them on next week's derby, going
back and forth. Ohn't wait. It is twenty three away

(01:51:00):
from three on news Talk ZBB England. Continuing there, hurry
seventy seven for two a tw twenty seven more to
win this test match. Bethel is on thirty three, Joe
root Is on fourteen. It's a matter of time black
Caps sync to a one Niel loss nine two nine
two for a text. Incidentally, we mentioned it there at

(01:51:20):
the end with Jacob. What should they call this Kiwi Derby?
Jacob's rejected Kiwi classico, which I think is fair. I
don't think. I think it's a bit two you know
not us. We've already had one derby next week to
second what should it be called? Nine two nine two
for a text met text message? Text line is open

(01:51:41):
here are on news Talk zen B will put forward
some of your thoughts after this on news Talk zb
or just twenty two away from three.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
MB nineteen away from three on News Talk ZB the
Test match in christ Judge I would say, rapidly, come
coming to our conclusion and watching on is that great?
Correspondent Andrew Orders in afternoon again Orders the end is
coming rather rapidly.

Speaker 14 (01:52:15):
Yeah, if you hold on along in us we then
you might wrap it up for you.

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:52:19):
They're chasing one hundred and forward of when here England
eighty six or two, so convincing display and New Zealands
picked up a couple of dismissals, but pretty token in
the scheme of things. So Jacob beth Lon Devo getting
to forty of thirty two deliveries so far, Joe Root
sixteen or eleven earlier, been duck at racing to twenty
seven and effectively treating the bowling with disdain, and they

(01:52:41):
all reaching all parts and looking to wrap this up
pretty quickly in this middle session on the fourth day
in New Zealand. I mean, I guess the context of
this is that their World Test Championship hosts probably requiring
the mathematicians skills of someone like Isaac Newton to be
able to get them through that final. Now, if you
do the predictor system, and I mean other context to it,

(01:53:04):
just that, yeah, it's going to put them in a
in a difficult position to win the series from here
heading to Wellington and Hamilton. But yeah, England out playing
New Zealand at least at this stage with just the
seventeen runs.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
A quired, where was it lost? Let's assume that the
black Caps an't going to take eight we gets for
seven ten whe where was it? Where was this test
match lost? Orders?

Speaker 14 (01:53:23):
Look, I think, just plain and simple, it is those
those eight catches dropped in that second earnings for club
from New Zealand's aspective. Sorry the England person, I think
getting to four ninety nine, that was doing the numbers
on that two hundred and fifty one runs. If you
if you maximize about the fact that Brook was dropped

(01:53:43):
five times, just that wasn't really acceptable at test level
if you're hoping to go on and be victorious. So
I really think that that's probably the bible and the
end of all of it. The bowl is creating the opportunities.
The field is not delivering and it's pretty rare to
I mean some of the likes of Tom Lake and
dropping three Glen Phillips. Likewise, all bit Phillips did pick

(01:54:03):
up that terrific tiving one hand right hand take at
gully to remove play for seventy seven.

Speaker 6 (01:54:11):
That was terrific.

Speaker 14 (01:54:12):
But apart from that are pretty wide from the late.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Indeed, and look at after that series in India to
win over there three nil, is it a regression from
the black Caps or was that India one just one
out of the box.

Speaker 14 (01:54:25):
Yeah, that's a really good point actually when you think
about and you can't the grudge the team too much or.

Speaker 12 (01:54:31):
Taking the past.

Speaker 14 (01:54:32):
I mean, that's an incredible historical leasy like series victory
the who one of the early grayil efforts to win
in India and to do it so convincingly with three
tests as well. But just stagging that they have an
a tenute round at home. Maybe they need Will Young
in the light up to play with the series over there,
but that hasn't really carried over so looking and what

(01:54:57):
they're going to do from there, I'm not quite sure,
but it's going to be a difficult road.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Do you anticipate any changes for the second test?

Speaker 14 (01:55:03):
At the basin orders, Well, they're going to bring Mi
Center into the squad. Whether they consider bringing him into
the eleven depending on whether it will spur on week on.

Speaker 6 (01:55:14):
I guess the.

Speaker 14 (01:55:17):
I would say variable boundaries towards the end rather than
turning so much of the base, and I think might turn.

Speaker 12 (01:55:22):
More in Hamilton.

Speaker 7 (01:55:24):
But I had to say, really.

Speaker 14 (01:55:27):
With that, when when they bring young in at the
top of the order for a Conway or whether they
inject someone else into the line up there strengthen the datting.
Maybe Tom Brundle look will struggling with the bat but
still pretty reasonable with the gloves. But I think that
they will largely look in the past and they're not
relatively conservative with selects. As though you're reluctant to change it,

(01:55:47):
would have thought and give us life a second chance.

Speaker 5 (01:55:50):
In Wellington, you'd.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Suspect so as well. They've gone to have a drink
at ninety five for two England leading nine more runs
or let you get back to it orders and you
can have a drink yourself.

Speaker 12 (01:56:02):
Go you there.

Speaker 14 (01:56:04):
Nine runs required. I work it from hand in Jacob
bethe On now forty one of thirty three with Joe
Root twenty three or Off fifteen. So pretty convincing display
there from the single spanning line up post lunch.

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
Indeed, it is thank you, orders you back to the
afternoon that is in christ Church as this Test match
heads for a conclusion. Thank you very much for your time.
Andrew Ordison joining us from Hagley Oval in christ. J
Jack cricket correspondent, Yes, nine runs away and they've taken
a drink's break in christ Couple of text messages on
the cricket front the India series when three nil by

(01:56:36):
the black Caps is partly due to how arrogant India was.
They expected a bit as comfortably so when they were
down they tried to hit themselves out of trouble arrogantly.
I think robo one more on the cricket that is
in front of me as well. Unfortunately, Sad will be
remembered more for his lack of application as batsman, which
is possibly a bit unfair. But he may as well

(01:56:56):
have batted at eleven. They're not so much judgment made
of him. Hopefully he doesn't open the bowling as surely
I Rourke with the new ball will be more dangerous. Well,
he did open the bowling in the how long did
he last in the attack? Not so long. Three overs
none for twenty seven was what he contributed before the
change was made. Nathan Smith also not having a great

(01:57:17):
time for three overs none for twenty nine. The wickets
going the way of Matt Henry won for twelve off
three and Will O'Rourke one for twenty seven off three
overs as well. One more text This is from Jennison.
You very much, jenes Hi Elliott, thank you for your
we're contacting the AB's this year. I'm looking forward to
seeing what progress the abbe's make next year. I do
have my concerns about Robinson and his fellow coaches. Thanks again,

(01:57:39):
it's very kind, giness appreciate it is lock. Twenty twenty
five is going to be a very interesting year, isn't
it for the All Blacks. Three Tests against France, Rugby
Championship in there as well, and then a Grand Slam
to it to finish. Hasn't been officially confirmed, but that's
certainly our understanding of how it is going to play
out next year. Doesn't leave a lot of room for

(01:58:03):
building depth. Those are some tough tasks. I know Francis
ending likely over a B or C team, but they've
got a lot of depth a moment the French side,
that's not going to necessarily be easy, and the All
Blacks can't afford to roll out and build depth in
those Test matches. They need to hit the ground running
next year. So it's going to be a fascinating year
of rugby. He'd appreciate the text, Janus England one hundred

(01:58:27):
and one for two. They need three more runs to
win this Test match. Nathan Smith doing the honors at
the moment for the black Caps, It's going to be
very interesting, isn't it to see what changes they make
for the second Test. As Andrew Ortison pointed out, their
very very conservative selection lineup don't often swing the acts

(01:58:54):
without number of chances. But it is just the time
for them to be a little bit bold, make some
changes outside the norm. Send some players back to plunket skilled,
look to the future a little bit. Quite possibly for mine,

(01:59:16):
I think this is a good opportunity. Let's come under pressure,
but a chance to look abroad, look for the future,
look to some different players, allow some players to get
some runs back at first class level, It's going to
be very interesting to see which way the black Caps

(01:59:36):
selectors go. I suspect they'll go conservative. As Andrew Orderson
mentioned there, Mitchell Santa will come in. That was pre
planned for the series. Hard to see too many other changes,
just in the manner of the way that this team
has been selected over a number of years. It is

(01:59:57):
eleven away from three. Will take a break come back.
I suspect the Test match won't be over after the.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
Ads the schoon from the track field on your whole
weekends for it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:11):
She's all over in christ Church, bowls to Bethel and
smashes him out to the man.

Speaker 22 (02:00:18):
It's deep squealing. England win the Test match. Bethel finishes
with a debut fifty nine out and a comprehensive victory
for England by eight wickets. They didn't muck around hundred
and four to win. Quite extraordinary stuff and well played England.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Yes, indeed Test match over. England win by eight wickets.
They only needed twelve point four overs to get their
Bethel makes fifty route makes twenty three wickets the way
of Henry and O'Rourke. But it was always going to
be futile chasing one hundred and for the victory of
the black Cats crash and now one kneel down in
the series against against England. The second Test starts in

(02:01:03):
Wellington on Friday morning at eleven, black Caps obviously needing
a win to stay in the series. Going to be
very interesting to see the noise that comes out of
the black Caps camp as to whether they make any
changes for the second match. Unlikely they would do so
mid series. You just wonder how much more rope some
of those players in the black Caps side, the likes

(02:01:26):
of Tom Blundell Devin Conway in particular, have got. With
their lack of run scoring in recent times, you just
think that maybe they might need to make some changes
sooner rather than later. Not a lot of Test matches
coming up, do you stick with the current players or
do you begin to look at the newer players that

(02:01:47):
are coming through. As we heard from Scott Winnink at
the top of the show, only four Test matches scheduled
for twenty twenty five, two against Zimbabwe, midyear two against
the West and is at the end of the as
it stands, although he suggested that they are looking to
add further matches as well. Under the negotiations. I suspect

(02:02:07):
one of those will be a third Test against the
West Indies at home next year. Maybe others to pop
up along the way, but not a lot of test
matches coming up. So is this the opportunity in Wellington
and Hamilton to learn a bit more and make some
changes for the future. We'll wait and see with interest
what the black Caps selectors do. As I said, I

(02:02:31):
suspect they will keep the faith with the players that
they have in their squads at the moments. That'll about
do us. I reckon for a week in Sport for
thirtieth November one of December. My thanks to Andy McDonald
steering the ship over the last couple of days. Jason

(02:02:51):
Pine's back with you tomorrow evening after we break. I'm
sure we'll be looking forward to dissecting further this black
Caps result with you as well. And I've sold them
up the river as well, because he might have to
do this fly next week down at Mount Smart five
away from three. I'm going to close the show. It's

(02:03:11):
my turn to choose the musical interlude. Andy, it's on
the plane back from Europe. Watch the documentary. It's while
worth a watch. I think it's on Amazon Prime. Here
about Celendion, stiff body syndrome that she suffered edits like
you look at those clips in that movie, remarkable what
she's been through. But then years remember what pipe she

(02:03:34):
has got Celendion. And so we're closing today with Celene
Dion on News Talk ZB. We will see you next time.

Speaker 18 (02:03:49):
It was coming coming, It's all love to recess and
it's all comming tune. I can tell you recall coming

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back to.

Speaker 13 (02:04:15):
Me, what your history with the time tupped up and
I made myself against.

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
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