Full Show Podcast: 02 November 2024

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Andy McDonald. November drby Day in the Capitol, Wellington Phoenix
v Auckland FC, five o'clock Sky Stadium and historic first
ever professional football match between two New Zealand sides. We'll

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get you inside both camps after one or White's coach
Darren Baisley is here for the game as well. He's
in studio a bit later on. And are you yellow
and black or blue and black? Keen to find out,
particularly from those who don't necessarily have any skin in
this game, who are you backing? And also for those

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of you who have nailed your Phoenix colors to the
mast these last seventeen years, perhaps from Auckland. Have you
jumped across or are you sticking fast? That's all after
one o'clock two thousand and three. Rugby World Cup winning
English midfield back Will Greenwood leads us off today though
all Blacks England. Four o'clock tomorrow morning. That's New Zealand

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time obviously at Twickenham. Who is favorite for this game?
Can anybody tell me? And what if we lose? What
if we were to lose this game? Keen to read
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Hoskin reliving her double Olympic gold medal winning performances in Paris.

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Speaker 1 (02:54):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.
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Speaker 2 (03:04):
We'll get to the football after one but a rah.
The Big Rugby Test tomorrow morning, four o'clock New Zealand time,
England against the All Blacks, the first meeting since they
clashed at Eden Park back in July.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Penerality of the All Blacks penalty to the All Blacks
Neckberrys lose a whistle.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
They just need to get it into touts.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Damie McKenzie kicked to touts and the or Blats win
twenty four seventeen, a dramatic finish at Eton Park, but
the records safety and the All Blacks win the series
to nil and another drama filled Test match between these
two sides.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, twenty four to seventeen at Eden Park, a week
after a sixteen fifteen victory under the roof in Dunedin.
So two narrow wins for the All Blacks to start
Scott Robertson's tenure as head coach. It's a great pleasure
to welcome back into the show Rugby World Cup winning
English midfielder, British and Irish Lions represent and astute rugby

(04:08):
analyst Will Greenwood mbe well, England could easily have won
one or both of those Test matches down here in June.
How much confidence do you think that gave them? And
how much confidence does it does it give you that
England are back among the top few teams in world rugby.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, it's such a such a good question because there
was a there was a run. I met with the CEO,
Bill Swedey back in February just before the Scotland game
and we looked at England's.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Next ten Actually, just after.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
The Scotland game that England had lost, we looked at
the next ten tests and went wow, Ireland home, France, away, Japan,
New Zealand, New Zealand, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Japan,
and thinking jeez, they might they might only win two,

(05:01):
you could and where do England go next?

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Because you're bucking a lot of You're bucking Steve Porthford
for the next World Cup.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
But flips out of it was there was starting to
be green, green shoots of recovery. They could win seven
or eight and we set sail and we start to
be spoken about a half decent side. Now fast forward
seven eight months and at the moment the record were
the last minute dropped call against Ireland and a comfortable

(05:30):
and win against Japan. But get turned over in France,
lose two tests in New Zealand. It's so difficult to
see where England are. I think for us to be
discussed as a decent world class team, now we have
to win three out of four at home, which sets

(05:51):
us up to beat Australia, to beat Japan, and we've
got to turn over one of you or.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
South Africa and on form. I think we have to
identify a.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Victory over New Zealand. There's a very realistic, not overly
ambitious target. When you consider how close we went on
your patch and we have you back at ours.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
How different in England side. Do you suspect this will
be not just in person el, but but in the
way that they play. The break that they've had from
that which toured New Zealand earlier in the.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Year not different at all.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
I see the feeling that the way they played with
pace and with tempo and went at New Zealand the
blitz starting. I know they don't want to call it
the blitz, but the hard line speed that is sort
of the Felix.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Jones Mark two.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
With Joel ab the new defense coach, they'll come even harder.
They've rushed Henry Slade back after one game in four
and a half months specifically to lead that charge.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
So I see a lot of consistency.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
About the personnel, about the way they're going to play,
and the feeling that, yes, there's two ways of looking
at it. I think Kiwi fans will go it was
a bit of Bolden Barrett magic in the first test.
England might say we just coughed up too much pill
and made too many mistakes in the first Test, which

(07:28):
allowed Bolden Barrett to win it. So there's two different
ways of looking at it. So I really feel England
hugely respective of the all blood, hugely respectful of the
or bloods, of course, but.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Of a mindset led by someone like Jmie.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
George who is eternally optimistic, hugely ambitious and basically as
an individual has beaten and won everything but a World
Cup fun a losing phone list in twenty nineteen, and
he would have his charges uply, categorically believing there is

(08:09):
only one result and that is an England win.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
That's what they will be thinking.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
England haven't played a tists since being down here four
months ago. The All Blacks have played six Rugby Championship
taste mate just plus PVG plus Japan and the time
since well, what's more important? Freshness or being MTCH hardened?

Speaker 5 (08:26):
So well, if you ask Scott Robertson, it's all about
much hardness, and if you ask Steve borthwy Concil about.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Freshness, I mean I think the reality is.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Both both arguments have historically won the day. But I
think if you are looking for in the Premier League.
Now we have this sort of x G expected goal
that a team might score and you know, Man City
are up at two point two per game. I think
there's a scale factor without bringing mathematics into it, there's

(08:59):
a scale factor that suggests the benefit always has to
be with the team that has played more recently. So
absolutely it's it's it's a marginal advantage, but I think
it is absolutely an advantage that sits with New Zealand.
But I think that's counted immediately and then some by

(09:22):
it's it's Twickenham and the last time England played there
they beat Ireland, who I think at the time well
the second best team in the world behind South Africa,
and went down to South Africa and drew a Test
Series death.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
So the last time England were there they won.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
They're starting to create a mentality of having a fortress
twicken them. It's not quite a fortress yet, it's more
a stronghold. But they turn up and they see the
Golden Lion. They turn up in the West car park,
sort of phrases that will mean a lot to English players.
They head into the changing room, they see the old

(09:59):
Victorian claw bats in the changing room, they see the peg.
They've all changed that this is a this is a
well vers team now and they feel that the New
Zealand will have to be absolutely they will acknowledge that
they can be beaten, but.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
They'll they'll begin starting to get a.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Feeling that someone will have to be world class to
beat them.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Now.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
You know I.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
Read or saw or picked up the New Zealand team
that's the RAS has picked.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
I mean, like, wow, if if these if.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Your boys click, it's an umb You've got an unbelievable
footballing team this weekend. If you consider that the handling,
the ball playing ability of your pack, Via in the
second row, the back row, Wilson, is it the Titi, Yes, yes, yes,

(10:58):
and then I love I love your loose head. What
I mean people are going to say, well, he's just
a scrumb and you look at the size of them,
his footballing ability at his naws.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
So England have to knock you out of your rhythm.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
They have to break break their ball up, they have
to break up the piece.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
They have to attack your line out.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
And that's why I've both to expickt the team he
has picked to go after to go after stick at two,
front pod, middle pop backpod, compete for everything, Sack Moore's
go at the scrum, we have to disrupt. Look, I
think it's I think it's set up for an unbelievable testament.
I think New Zealand will be winning at half time.
I think England win.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
All right, let's say, look, I don't think you'll get
too many arguments about how close this is going to
be and you're sorry, right, well you look at the
New Zealand team on paper, but clicking is the thing
and it hasn't happened across Yeah, eighty minutes this year
for the All Blacks under Scott Robertson.

Speaker 9 (11:54):
What of you was?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
What assessment have you made of of of the All
Blacks under Scott Robertson this year?

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah, still trying to find uh.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
You know, he was a guard in Canterbury, right, I
mean walks on water and it's but it takes time
for that to happen. Not a huge you know, slightly
Therey say it's slightly easy. Obviously at a super rugby
level as opposed to Test match level, I think there'll
probably be an element of ustract. I think Razor would
probably have been wanting to be better, faster, and would

(12:25):
have believed he could have got them slightly better, slightly quicker.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
But I'm a.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Not a disciple of raise, I'm not an apostle, but
I've worked with him very briefly. I'm a huge fan
and I know it'll come, and I know at some
stage someone's going to be on the wrong end of
an absolute hiding and he will make New Zealand a force.
I mean, you'll say, well, of course you're already at
force because of New Zealand. But I think he can

(12:54):
make this New Zealand squad a force to rival some
of the teams that you've had in the last twenty
twenty five years.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
I absolutely passionately believe that. So as an Englishman, I.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Hope it's not this week, But in terms of their ability,
their error count has just I think as they're trying
new things, he's he's He's used a lot of players
who's had a really good look. He's starting to settle
players now, like of the caliber of Vine in the
second row. They're still so young in their career, but

(13:26):
starting to look like, wow, there's the next, there's the next.
Brodie Retallic you're just starting to see combinations work and build.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
Selection wise.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
I was supremely interested to see that he's gone with
the three barrats but mostly put in Bowden at ten
and McKenzie on the bench because I think, Man, that
your boy McKenzie. I would love to have played in
a team with him at ten. And that's saying something
when you're saying I'd have picked him over Boden and

(14:00):
and and perhaps brought Boden off in off the bench.
Will Jordan's a worlding So look, there's so much like
about this team. You're absolutely right that the kicking game
hasn't quite been right at times occasionally set piece certainly
the line out against England I think, I don't know
the numbers, but fell apart. Uh And that's why Will
be so disappointed they didn't win one of the tests

(14:20):
when they if you control the touchline, you should win games.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
So I'm not.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Gonna I'm not gonna sit on fen There's so many
different subplots to this game. I think it's awesome and
the reality I think the whole all black talk is
awesome because you played.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
France, right, you play Ireland on a Friday night and
who's the fourth game.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
You've got Italy, So you might have a you might
have a nice you're playing that in Rome or you're
going to Juventus for that.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Now that's in Rome. That's the that's the finish.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I love the way if you're playing.
But by that stage you hopefully have a pleasant trip
up the Spanish steps Studio Olympic.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
I grew up there. I lived there for the first
five years of my life.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
So my dad I was playing scrum number eight for
Alja up against people like Andy Hayden.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
Who were also out in Italy at the time.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
So your boys will have a lovely trip to Rome
and then you'll they'll all head off and as some
of them go to Chicago to c AIG, some of
them go to Ali does some of them go to
the Dubai sevens that they'll look forward to Italy game
your first three games, So what's a successful tour for
New Zealand England? That's wicken Ireland in Dublin on a

(15:33):
Friday night France with duponm back and Italy. Is a
successful tour? I mean, is a successful tour two wins?
Or is the New Zealand public. No, the only way
a successful tour it's successful is you win all four.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
I think if you win three of four, I think
you have to.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
With the caliber that you're up against on in terms
of world rankings and where you're playing, I think.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Three from four will be a heck of a heck
of a return.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, I think most people over here agree will But
given the fact we lost to South Africa twice and
Argentina at home, I'm not sure there's a heck of
a lot of wiggle room for Scott Robertson. But we
are very much looking forward to what lies ahead.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Just a really quick question. When you say I'm fascinated
about that. When you say there's not a lot of
wiggle room, what do you say. You're not saying like
Eric ten Hagen, Ratcliffe and idios and there, and he's
under pressure.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
He's not under pressure at all for his job, is he?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
No? Absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
But I don't know when he said when you say
wiggle room, up here we go I start to think,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
No, I think what I was suggesting was, let's just
say they lost two against two of the tests against England, France, Island.
That would be five losses in a calendar year, which,
as you know, Will, as you know, would be frowned
upon down these parts.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yes, yeah, good, But.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
He has enough credit in the bank that people know
he's going to get there, right, you've got it.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
You've got to know. Oh, you're such a tough public.
You don't know, do you?

Speaker 5 (17:13):
You don't know, and you're not and you're not sure,
and you're already whispering. And the North Island have already
turned on him, haven't they. They've already gone. We knew
it would never work.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
Come on, raise it. He'll get there, he'll break dance.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh, you've got such a good handle on us. Well,
it's almost such a pleasure chatting rag Vita, mate, thanks
so much for joining us across New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
Pleasure. Boys take care and girls take care.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Good on you all. Thanks indeed you take care of
as well. I should have mentioned right at the end
that Rome test is in Turin, not in Rome. It's
lead test as in Chidren, not in Rome. My apologies, Will,
but great to chat to you. You've heard from Will Greenwood.
Your chance to react now? Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty in particular, just the point we were touching
on at the end there, what would be acceptable over

(18:03):
the next three weekends. Ten test matches so far this year,
seven wins, three losses. Three big tests to come over
the next fifteen days England, Ireland, France. It's basically like
the knockout stages of a Rugby World Cup. So what

(18:25):
would be acceptable? They're all tough tests, all of them.
They're all winnable, absolutely they are. This is the all blacks.
But you have to say they're all losable too. So
what would we be happy with? Two wins out of three?
Provided we beat Italy, which in all probability we will.

(18:49):
That would be if we won two out of the
three over the next three weekends and beat Italy, that
would be four losses from fourteen test matches. That'd be okay,
wouldn't it? Ten wins four losses? But if we were
to win just one of the next three the picture

(19:10):
looks quite different. It would be fourteen test matches, nine wins,
five losses. Now, if we compare that to twenty twenty two,
which is generally regarded as not a good year. In
twenty twenty two we played fourteen tests, same as this year,
nine wins, four losses and a drawer. If we were

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to go nine wins five losses this year, it would
mean that twenty twenty four was a worse year results
wise than twenty twenty two. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty nine two nine two. If you would like
to send a text, let's talk the all blacks. What
would be acceptable over the next three weeks and if

(19:55):
we want to drill down into tomorrow morning, who do
you think is favorite? I had a quick check of
the tab odds. They tell me that the all Blacks
are favorites, quite comfortable. Favorites actually won fifty two fifty
something like that. I don't know. Does that feel right?
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty twelve twenty seven
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Speaker 1 (20:16):
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Speaker 2 (20:26):
Our quick correction twenty twenty two are thirteen tests, thirteen
tests and twenty twenty two eight wins, four losses and
a drawer. So this year, if we lost two of
the next three across thirteen tests. If we just leave
the Italy test off to one side for the moment,
if we lost two of the next three, that would
be eight wins, five losses, So it would be a

(20:47):
worse outcome than the thirteen tests in twenty twenty two.
Lest I could get too far ahead of ourselves, we
could win the next three. They're all winnable. As I say,
they're all winnable, of course they are.

Speaker 10 (21:00):
George, Hi, mate, gooday pony, how are you very good?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
George?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Painting going right? Are you just laying out as drag
it out so you can spend your afternoons with us?

Speaker 10 (21:08):
Yeah, finishing finishing touches at the moment. Finally, I've had
a couple of week weekends, but I'm out doing the
last little bit to the to do list. Or I
knock one off to do list and the wife puts
another another thing on the bottom of it. So it's mate,
but it's good fun. Hey I. And happy birthday for
the other week. By the way, I heard you on
Heather Show, I think saying you were a birthday boy,

(21:30):
So happy birthday for that mate, Thank you. Hey, I'm
blood excited about the next three weeks. Hey, I think
this could be era defining for the Ublix. I think
four from four has got to be the goal. You know,
there's a lot of symmetry with this year, with four
Henry's first year in the Rain and I remember Graham,
Henry and Wainsmith they talked about a sort of era

(21:53):
defining test and that year on the interview too against
France we beaten them four to five seven. I think
the school was and in that tour, I know they
left Marshall at home, they left Carlos at home. That
that was the first time putting Dan Carter into the
ten jersey and things, and it was it kind of
kick started the following year into the line series back there.
So you know there's opportunities for something like that to

(22:16):
happen on this turf. We can go three from three.
It's going to be hard. I think next week's real
the big test against the Irish, but really could catapulta
momentum into the team ahead of the summer.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's a really good point you make. Yeah, and you're right.
I mean, even though we didn't win in two thousand
and seven, You're right, it's a similar time frame in
terms of where we are in the World Cup cycle.
I guess in many ways you think, okay, they if
they perform well, you know they might not put forty
five on France like that team and know Forded. But
if they perform well in all three then I think

(22:51):
we probably leave twenty twenty four with a fair degree
of optimism around the green shoots of the site, at.

Speaker 10 (22:58):
Least one hundred percent. I think it's going to be
fascinating to see the playerload over these next test like
this is obviously the team playing tomorrow. I'm not sure
that team can do three weeks in a row given
some of some of them Wallace and the likes played
played last week, so it's going to be interesting to
see how they how they managed that. I think, you know,

(23:19):
Jordi Barrett's are fascinating. He's he's going to be a
broke well not a broken man, but he's he's going
into that off off season sabbatical with in Ireland and
backing for the for the Ull Blecks. I think the
cheer he's he's steering down the barrel of twenty one
months of rugby. So it's going to be it's going
to be interesting to see how they sort of rotate
a couple of the players in and out. I'd really

(23:40):
love to see Billy Proctor given a start at thirteen
and one of these big tests, and not just the
Italy went on the end of the tour. But I think,
you know, there's an opportunity here for some some players
to really stake a claim for a jersey and kind
of give raise a lot to think about over the summer.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Look, I've been banging that Billy Proctor drum a lot,
and I totally agree George. I think he has to
be given an opportunity again one of Ireland or France
unless ricco Joanni absolutely tears it up tomorrow. It's I
feel like they almost have to play him against Ireland
as well, because otherwise the Irish fans will just, you know,
we'll just say we're running scared after the whole Johnny

(24:21):
Sexton book thing. So look, but I would love to
see Billie proc to get a start in the in
the thirteen jumper over one of the next two games.
Maybe it might be in Paris against France on the seventeenth,
but yeah, exciting time. As a head mate, get back
to your job list and we'll no doubt chat again soon.

Speaker 10 (24:36):
Eh, good on your mate, love the show, keep it,
Thanks George.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
No, good on you, mate, Thank you for calling in.
I appreciate it very much. Honestly says this text. I
be happy if we lose games as long as we
see good development in the All Blacks for next year.
Twenty twenty five is the year we'll start judging Razor
as All Blacks coach. We need to build a team
for the next Rugby World Cup. Dibo watch acceptable to
you made over the next three weeks.

Speaker 9 (25:00):
Well, I endorse what George said, and I just want
to extrapolate the argument a little bit more if we
can findy and happy birthday the other day to mate.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
The biggest fair.

Speaker 9 (25:11):
From my opinion, is not England, not Ireland and not France.
There's something bigger than the three of them, and that
is we need to fare the yellow card. I can't
remember the last time the All Blacks had fifteen on
the park for eighty minutes. That'd be an amazing stat
if someone could come up with that.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I know at the start of the year, Tobo, we
didn't get a lot at the start of the year.
But you're right over the last half a dozen Test matches.
You're right, there have been a lot of occasions where
it's been fourteen and thirteen on a couple occasions too.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
These big games, these big games we short the World
Cup final. I don't think we've had more yellow red
cards in the history of rugby union, and since the
last two World Cups we now five years. And so
for me, what's acceptable is avoiding those that we can
position ourselves to make these winds more comfortable, because what's
happening is, as you know, the last twenty minutes, we

(26:03):
have an inability to score much and we tend to
cop some cards for ourselves under pressure and ultimately lost
matches in the last twenty because of that. But for me,
I think Irish present the biggest threat. And then and
your spot on, we're not going to have the same
team playing the next three Tests in a row. It's
going to test our squad depth and for that reason, Look,

(26:27):
it's highly probable we'll drop one, but if we can
keep fifteen on the park eighty minutes for all three
to meet, and then we've turned a corner. And one
of the things I think that they're looking to give
yellow cards more than they should take, for example, the
slap back or you know, the deliver knock on that
devis a try? Why should someone be yellow card for
that point try with no a seven point try with

(26:51):
no kick? Why why then just let them stay with fifteen?
So I think they're going to look at that rule
as well. It's a double penalty. You've seen a seven
leaf fifteen on the park?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, I've never got there the other part of that rule.
It's so difficult to actually tell, you know, is it
a deliberate knock on or is it the guy going
for an intercept it. Yeah, it's always been one of
the rules that has puzzled me the most.

Speaker 9 (27:18):
Yeah, the Irish, the ones are hurting the most after
the quarter final defeat. Beware of the wounded Irish. I
think they're going to be a bigger threat than French.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Good Man dobo, good to chat and a shorter turnaround
as well. They've somehow got over the line. A Friday
night test over there, which is Saturday morning for us.
That's just six days between test matches, six days between
playing England at Twickenham and then getting to Dublin and
playing Ireland there. It's a Friday night game over there,

(27:49):
so Saturday morning for us one less day. It might
not sound like a lot, but yeah, that is tough.
And as George said that, you know, and Dobbo said
as well, we are in a situation I think where
we can't expect the same twenty three to play tomorrow,

(28:10):
next weekend and the weekend after that. Yes, we expect
that in a Rugby World Cup. And maybe you know
the fact that we've had we had Japan last week,
which I guess was a bit of an entree, wasn't it.
There was a month in between the win over Australia
and Wellington and last weekends went over Japan at Yokohama,
so there was a freshening up of the players there then.

(28:31):
But then so you look at the players who played
last week and you think, okay, if they played last
week and play today and or tomorrow and then play
the next two weeks, that's four games in four weeks,
akin to a Rugby World Cup where you play the
final pull match and then quarter final, semi final final,
So it's doable. Players have done that. You look at
a guy like Wallace, a Titi new to the test scene,

(28:54):
but what an impact he played last week, will play
again tomorrow. Is clearly at the moment part of the
best loose forward trio. So may well go round again
next week and the week after. And I'm sure it's
not going to put it. Put his hand up as hey,
I give me a break, I'll play. There aren't too
many others who have played all the Test matches this year.

(29:15):
Ardie Savia got last weekend off, that was his first break,
but he'll obviously front up again tomorrow. Damien McKenzie has
played all ten Tests, but in a slightly less physical position,
one of those off the bench. If he plays tomorrow,
it'll be and he will come off the bench. It'll
be eleven Test matches all eleven to Pauvay has only

(29:35):
had one week off. Anton Lennet Brown he'll come off
the bench tomorrow. He's played in every single Test match.
So you wonder about the rotation and that sort of thing.
Twenty one away from one will keep the calls coming.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty What would be
acceptable to you over the next three weekends or are
you really not looking at the win lost column at all?

(29:57):
Are you looking at performance? Are you looking for progress?
Are you looking for something that says to you, you
know what, in three years from now, at the twenty
twenty seven Rugby World Cup, I feel like will be
in pretty good shape. Linees open oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine two nine two one Text back
with more after this.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
You be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Guvnerholmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder News TALKSB News Talks.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
They be talking rugby until one the derby after one
A League Derby Wellington Phoenix Auckland FC five o'clock this afternoon.
We'll drill down onto that, going to find out where
your colors are as well in terms of which of
these two teams you're going to follow, because you can't
follow them both anymore. Yeah, you know, unless you're kind
of a I guess an occasional football fan. But if

(30:51):
you are even a little bit invested, you can't follow
two teams in the same league. Back to the rugby.
Our twenty twenty two schedule was a lot easier. Twenty
twenty four one of the hardest I can remember South
Africa away twice, England, Island, France all the way. That's
like a mini World Cup. Remember Russmus's record just fifty
percent in his first year. People need to come down
and look to the long term. I just want to

(31:11):
fact check that just quickly. Twenty twenty two or we
had three Tests against Ireland, three tough tests. We played
South Africa away twice. Obviously the Argentina and Australia Tests.
You're right, the end of year tour was a bit
friendlier Japan, Wales, Scotland, England. But yeah, still some pretty
tough test matches in twenty twenty two. Jamie says, I'd

(31:33):
be happy with two wins over the next three Games'd
be great if we can win all three, but two
out of three. Bokay Barry says for both England and
Ireland it's their first autumn Test matches of the season.
Positive for US. Yeah, I think that's right, Barrier. I
think I'd rather be match hardened than fresh or not
having played for I think, in fact, I think the

(31:55):
last time England played was down here. In fact it
was that was the last time they played, So I
think i'd take match hardened overcoming and fresh. That's just
my view. I mean it might go the other way.

Speaker 11 (32:06):
Hello, philm okay, finey, you're good.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I think so, mate. I haven't really checked, but I
think I'm okay.

Speaker 11 (32:14):
You sound good.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's the main thing though, that's the good thing that's
on television.

Speaker 11 (32:20):
Yeah, that's a I've got a great place for radio.

Speaker 12 (32:24):
Me too, Me too.

Speaker 11 (32:27):
Yeah, I like it, mate. Happy birthday for last week too,
Thank you, no problem. And yeah, I'd rather go match hardened,
overcoming and fresh. I love I love the people you
have on too, the guests, like your experts and explayers
and things like that that I listened to the English

(32:49):
Bella talking at the top of your show and really
good a and yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, he's terrific. Well Greenwood, we were Andy and I
were sort of, you know, just checking a few names
around and we've had well on before and and but
he's he's very good and he gets it too. He's
not just he always gives you something to think about.

Speaker 11 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, And it was was it Murray mixed that
the week before that you had on talking about their
height and the line out, you know, and how we
lacking a bit of height with with the locks you know,
not having the six foot eight couple of big six
foot eight guys, you know sort of thing. Yeah, good too, Yeah, yeah.

(33:32):
I love listening to the people that are cooling because
they're you know, so knowledgeable that they follow it religiously,
but sometimes you know they've they've got their opinion coming
from their their point of view, where the guests that
you bring in like the experts, next players, and that
they're more analytical covering it rather than putting their own
bias on it, so to speak. I think I think

(33:55):
I would be happy because I was just listening to
the fellow Woodward's first name, sorry, Will Greenwood, Well Greenwood,
just listening the Will there, and he sort of made
me thinking I'd be thinking. I was thinking I'd be
happy with one loss out of the because I'm expecting

(34:16):
us to beat England, like I expected us to beat Japan.
But that was a good game though they did come
back in the second half Japan and stop this was scoring.
But one loss out of the English, French and Irish
and maybe even I can't believe I'm going to say this,
because maybe even two losses, as long as those losses

(34:40):
were close losses and tight you know, rather than actually
getting getting beaten quite comprehensively. And if we've had a
couple of losses and they were narrow, but we were
looking good. Like I think one of your callers first,
one of your first callers said that if or Texas said,
if they are if the losses but were looking good
and you feel like you're making progress and you can

(35:02):
see that you're going forward. Because like Will said to me,
why I would accept two losses but I'd be happy
with one for it to be successful is because to me,
it's all building towards the World Cup, and Rais has
only started a tenure sort of thing, so it's like, yeah,

(35:22):
like Weill said about the New Zealand public being very harsh,
and like you said, it would be what did you say,
be a bit of a considered a bit of a failure.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Or wobble or oh yeah, yeah, I said it would.
There wouldn't be a lot of wiggle room. It would
be frowned upon. Yeah, be frowned upon. I think I
think if you said to you, I think if you
said to any your Blacks fan at the start of
a year, Okay, we're going to lose five test matches
this year. Regardless of whether we're playing twelve, thirteen or fourteen,
I still think five's a lot phil a lot of

(35:52):
there's a lot of defeats.

Speaker 11 (35:54):
Yeah, I agree, I agree to that. I wouldn't be
a lot of that and I wouldn't be happy with
that too, you know, So I agree with you there
as well. And I also because yeah, the wiggle room,
like I thought, yeah, that's the public other than the
actual selectors and things like that and the players. Maybe
the year, the public were very hard. Like he said,
the guy going to lose his job. It's not a
line as already because he just started. But can I

(36:18):
get one other thing? And one other thing? And pointy,
I think that stupid yellow card rule for knocking the
ball down or you know, to try and stop a
troy is absolutely so I think that's crap as well, Like, okay,
get a penalty, you know for a knock on forward,
but they don't get sent off because you're trying to
stop the troy after are you? So where do you

(36:39):
tackle the guy or whether you can put your hand
out and stop a pass going to someone else, that's
the game.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
And yeah, it seems like a very silly rule to me, Phil,
I'm sure, and I know there's a reason for it.
Of course, a deliberate knock on to you know, to
deny a try is obviously a serious infringement. But yeah,
give the penalty try if you want to. If it's
a if, if without that person there putting their hand
out to knock it on, the ball would have gone

(37:07):
to the outside man and they would have gone on
for the try in all probability, then give a penalty try.
That's always been my understanding of what a penalty try is.
If you take away the infringing player, if you somehow
make him invisible and the act that he did, if
you take that away, if it was going to be
a try and all probability, that's a penalty try. So
I think that's where we are with this. That's how

(37:27):
I feel. Anyway. Good to chat you, Phil, as always, Mike,
says Pinty. If the All Blacks win or lose within
seven to ten points either way, not a disaster wins
over England and it's lean most likely for me, Diane
says Jason. When and where is the New Zealand fifteen
game against Munster. Diana can tell you that it's tomorrow morning,
immediately following the Test match. Actually it's in Limerick and

(37:49):
that game will kick off at six thirty tomorrow morning.
The All Blacks get underwag just after four. Then Munster
against the New Zealand fifteen at six thirty. Brand high mate.

Speaker 13 (38:00):
Yeah, Pony, you just answered one of the most questions
about that at seven fifteen tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
He said, Yeah, tomorrow morning at six six thirty. Looking
forward to it. Actually, I think it'll be just just
on t A b Odds. I know, the only means
so much the New zeal only fifteen are warm favorites.
But I'm sure Monster will be up for it.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (38:19):
Yeah, proper referee for the or Blecks tomorrow, Angus Gardner. Yeah,
which I think will be made.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Your help happy with them? Ye, happy with that appoint
Yeahpy with that appointment.

Speaker 13 (38:34):
Absolutely might be so damn in the theoryize some of
them over there and is.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
That not all a gray area there, brit I like it.

Speaker 14 (38:44):
Well.

Speaker 13 (38:45):
He seems to have learned a bit from some of
their bit of referees over the years. Is some of
the oddies heads?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, he's good for him. I like him. I like him.

Speaker 13 (38:52):
Yeah, And you're just on a local thing part laid
Law must be silly prey out of his contingent in
both teams from the hurricanes of them.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yeps.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
No, that's a good point. It is a very good point.
There are a lot of hurricanes in both these teams.
Duplus as I'm sure you've picked up well captain the
New Zealand fifteen just having a we look through. And
I think Ria Rubin Loves obviously joined the New Zealand
fifteen from the All Blacks, presumably so that he can
continue and get a bit more game time. Xavier new

(39:27):
Miya is there as well, so yeah, and I'm Isaiah
Walker Lea Wedde and then in the All Blacks of
course there's there's the usual suspects. Good point, Brent. I'm
sure Clark Laidlaw will be watching both games with great interest,
probably trying to still work out her his first five
is going to be next year, but I guess that
can wait. I guess that can wait. Eight to one,
US talks NB.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
The Scoons from the track Fields and hand the court
on your Home of Lord Weekend Sport. Where's Jason Vine?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
The US talks NB five to one after one o'clock.
We're going to drill down into the first of New
Zealand professional football Derby Wellington Phoenix, Auckland FC, Zach Hughes
out of the Phoenix, Tommy Smith out of Auckland FC.
But later on Darren Baseley's going to pop in as well.
All Whites coach. He'll be a very interested spectator. By
my count I reckon there's about eighteen guys across these

(40:18):
two squads who have played for the All Whites, So yeah,
a Whites head coach Darren Baisley with his thoughts, find
a few texts to mop up on the rugby. Jason
says Bowie. All Blacks to win. Why England's first game
of their autumn. Had it been their third, it would
have been harder to pack New Zealand by ten though, thanks.
Basup Ian, says Jason. I'm worried about who the ref
is as they have a huge impact on the game.

(40:39):
I looked at an old clip when the England team
beat us and how therefore they were flopping all over
the ball and stopping the fast turnover and the walls
and the rucks. Sam, I don't think you need to
worry angus Gardner's your man. I think he'll have a
handle on that, so that hopefully puts your mind it
at ease. Five losses of year says this one will
normally be unforgivable, but we have a complete rebuilding year
this year. Next year will be a very different story

(41:00):
and find a one here. We've also got to remember
that Razor doesn't have the squad to choose from that
Dean fostered it in twenty twenty two. Take out white Lock, Retallic, Frazelle,
Psmith and Warngar and it's a much weaker side this year.
Thank you very much, indeed for all of your calls
and your correspondence. As I say, we're going to flick
across to football after one o'clock. I'd be very interested.

(41:22):
You can start texting now.

Speaker 7 (41:23):
If you like.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Who have you got and any Auckland based Phoenix fans?
Off that bandwagon and onto the Auckland One.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and aster fields. It's all on Wi James Ford with Jason.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Vane on your home of Sport, US York. Hello that
seven past one. This is Weekend Sport. I'm Jason Fine,
Andy McDonald here too. We're here till three football our focus.
That's hour the Derby Wellington Phoenix Auckland FC have already
received a sternly worded email about the use of the
word Derby. I'll get to that. Andy on text says, afternoon, mat,

(42:04):
can you please tell us what time Liam Lawson's Grand
Prix Sprint Racers Three am? Andy, three am, just before
the All Blacks in Polymer All night in mate, watch
about a Liam Lawson, watch the All Blacks, watch the
New Zealand fifteen three o'clock tomorrow morning is when that
is Adam Peacock this hour as well. Out of Australia.

(42:27):
He is in Melbourne already. The Melbourne Cup Carnival I
think starts today, goes right through Melbourne Cup Day of
course itself on Tuesday, Oaks Day Thursday, I think it is,
and then a massive race day next Saturday too, So yeah,
burg week of racing in Melbourne. Adam Peacock's going to
keep us across all of that. Our lines are open

(42:48):
as always. R eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,
two nine to two on text I asked before one
o'clock about allegiance to either of these two teams. I'll
talk about that in a sec. Let's actually talk to
some of the participants or one of them anyway in
the A League Derby sky Stadium, five o'clock this afternoon.
Auckland f C coming to pay visit or pay a

(43:10):
visit to the Wellington Phoenix.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Now Nagasawa await run two the Phoenix two paid came
from Teeth and he arrived.

Speaker 15 (43:20):
With a powerful header that might just have the Phoenix
on track for the first bit of the season.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Mare that was a week ago. Wellington indeed picking up
their first one of the season, a two nil win
against Perth Glory at home. This afternoon, of course, against
Auckland f C. Let's bring in Wellington Phoenix defender Isaac Hughes.
Isaac a win away at Perth to follow a draw
in the first game of the season. So four points
from the first couple of games. How happy is the
side and how happy do you think the coaches are

(43:47):
with the performances in the first two matches.

Speaker 8 (43:51):
I think it's a it's a mixed bag. I think
we felt like we played really well in that first
game and felt like we should have got all three points.
I think you know from both performances we should be
sitting on six points, but I think, you know, we're
not panicking, We're relaxed. I think everyone's feeling that there's
a lot like we're doing well, but there's a lot
more to do. We have a lot more in us.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Do you think there were improvements between the Western United
game and and what you did over in Western Australia
against Perth last weekend.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
I think I think there was some improvement in maybe
the focus and some defensive element. I think I think
on the ball against Perth, we we still have ways
to go, you know. I think it's funny. I actually
think we've probably created better chances against Western United but

(44:45):
scored one less goal, So it's funny how that works.
But I think the mentality from the group was definitely
everyone was really switched on for the Perth game.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It sounds from your first couple of answers that you
believe there's still quite a bit of growth to come
in this and this team. I guess that's natural given
the fact you've only had two games in the season,
but you feel like there's there's a much higher ceiling
for this team than what we've so fat.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
Yeah, definitely. I think in I think there's a lot
of new players that are, you know, learning how to
play with each other, and I think when everyone clicks,
I think we're going to be a scary team to
deal with.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
So you yourself, you've had well, you've played every minute
or the first two games of the season, just the
four starts in all of last season among your living appearances.
How much have you enjoyed being part of the starting
of living from the very start of the season.

Speaker 8 (45:37):
Yeah, it's it's good. It's football is a lot more
fun when you're instead of watching, but it's it's good.
It's it's good as well because being a probably to
be fair, last season, I was probably expecting that I've
come into the team earlier than I did. But this

(45:59):
season I've just been it's good to know that I'm
just like I'm going to be in the team, and well,
I think stand at the minute. So it just gives
me that like excitement and you know, I get I
feel like I'm in a rhythm now playing a game
every week and you know, I'm playing ninety minutes week
and week out.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
It just feels like a good rhythm at the minute.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
And You've been part of a three men central defense
with wing backs in the first couple of games. If
you went to a flatback four, for example, Chief he
has been known to switch formations here and there. If
you were part of a back four, you'd be comfortable
enough with that as well.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
Yeah, yeah, it makes no like makes no difference to
me personally. Like four or five. Obviously you have to
play slightly different. You have to defend probably a bit
more aggressively in the five, But yeah, I'm more than
comfortable playing in the four as well.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
How much support have you been getting from Scott Wooton,
who's been around for a week while, how much supports
he given given you alongside in central defense?

Speaker 8 (47:01):
A lot, A lot he gives. We had a couple
of pre season games where Scotty was out and I
think think his absence was definitely noted. I think he
just gives just a sense of calm. It's not even
like Scott. Scott just makes everyone around him a better player,
because he gives you the confidence to do your job

(47:22):
with conviction, whereas sometimes if if he's not there, you're
not fully sure if this is what you're meant to
be doing. But Scott gives you that confidence to do
your job.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, that's a great way of describing it. And head
coach Jihan Kellower Telliano very well known for having faith
in young players. How does he let you know, Isaac
that he has that confidence in you by starting me, Yeah, well,
that's that's a good that's a good start. What about
the words and and the messages he gives you.

Speaker 8 (47:56):
He I think we're chiefly what's good with how it
deals with your young players is he's not He creates
an environment where you feel confident to ask questions, which
is actually unique. You know, I'm not I'm not walking
into training and fearing for my life every day, so

(48:17):
I'm able to ask a question, and if I'm much
on something, I'm able to, you know, check in with
the older players. I think that when that communication is open,
and you know, when everyone in the group is very approachable,
everything's clear, and then my job's easy to do because
I know I'm fully sure of what I'm meant to
be doing. I think sometimes young players are not because

(48:39):
they've not been in the game as long and not
quite sure what they're meant to do. But they're always
too scared.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
To ask, right, But that's not the case here, which
is yeah, that's a that's a great illustration of the
way he deals with you younger players. So it's a
derby this afternoon. There's a lot of hype around about this,
mainly driven by the fans and the media. To be honest,
I'm not sure what it's like internally. But have you
tried to downplay the hype of this derby or have

(49:05):
you tried to actually embrace it?

Speaker 8 (49:12):
I think you for certainly you have to acknowledge its there.
I think everyone knows that's a big game. I think
there's no point pretending that it's not. You know, we're
likely going to have a bigger crowd in here today
than for normal home games. But and I think obviously
it's been the first you know, New Zealand professional football
derby in history is pretty exciting as well. But I

(49:35):
think at the end of the day, all that doesn't
really mean aithing when you get out there onto the pitch.
I think as long as everyone's focused on their jobs,
like I see no reason why it will impact us.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Are they many players on the Auckland f C side
who you've played with or against regularly in the last
couple of years, you know, a club level or might
be in Underwright Gens national sites.

Speaker 8 (50:00):
Yeah, I've played. I've played with and against Jesse Randall
quite a lot. I've played with him at the Olympics
and I played with him at lots of twenty threes qualifiers,
same with him with Liam Gillian, played with and against him.
I don't think I've actually played against him yet because
I've not played up from the city. But there's some

(50:22):
there's a few of the names and faces that like
I may have played once or twice or I do know,
or like maybe they've come into training Logan Rogers Rogerson
for example, has trained with us a couple of times.
But yeah, a lot, a lot of familiar faces. But
it's no issue.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
And the Alex Paulson, of course, there's a familiar one.
He do you forgot No, I don't. I don't think
that they suggest anything. I mean, you know he's gonna
be there. Is it gonna be a bit weird seeing
him down the other end?

Speaker 16 (50:59):
Nah, I don't.

Speaker 8 (50:59):
I don't think, like, I don't think it's going to
be weird. Like we obviously know what AP can do,
we know what his strengths are. We know what his
weaknesses are, Like, we're going to have to try and
exploit them on the week, We're gonna have to try
and exploit them today. But you know, I don't think.
I think it'll be nice to see him after the game,
But I don't think.

Speaker 13 (51:21):
I don't think it'll be strange now.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Brilliant And as you mentioned, big crowd and coming for
this one, how much energy do you take from from
a big home crowd in particular?

Speaker 8 (51:34):
I think for me personally, the crowd helps me to
focus more. I think sometimes playing in a preseason game
in a stadium with no fans, it's the whole thing's
just weird. It's harder to focus. But in I think
bigger crowds just the more noise, just the nervous systems

(51:54):
more activated. I just find it easier to concentrate. And
I think it definitely it definitely for a lot of players,
gives them that little bit more of an edge to
go into a big tackle or you know, to make
a big block.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, well, big crowd coming in for a big game
this afternoon, Isaac, Thanks so much for taking the time
for a chat. All the best for the first ever
New Zealand professional football derby mate, thanks.

Speaker 8 (52:19):
For the chat chats, Bony.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Thanks Isaac. Isaac hughes that on his way. By the
sounds of it, it might be a bit early. What
are we one seventeen game doesn't kick off till five o'clock.
Historic first ever professional New Zealand football derby Seventeen year
old Wellington Phoenix going into the eighteenth season actually welcoming
the A League's new boys Auckland FC to sky Stadium.
Great occasion in coming so much bars I have to

(52:44):
say around about this game in the Capital. Crowd of
over twenty thousand, maybe even as high as twenty five
expected this afternoon, it could threaten the Phoenix's best ever
regular season attendance, which was just over twenty four thousand
when they returned after COVID twenty four thousand and change.
Turning up for a game then so that could be

(53:05):
under threat. And several hundred as I understand it, coming
from Auckland as well, a lot of traveling fans which
will be terrific. Now, as I mentioned that just before
the news before one, there may well be some people
and you might be one of these, who have divided
loyalties now about this game, particularly those of you in

(53:27):
Auckland who have supported the Phoenix all these years simply
because that's all there was. There was only the Phoenix.
Some of you may stick tight to that, stay with
your team, continue to support Wellington Phoenix from Auckland, but
others will say, well, now there's a team in my
city who I can go and see play every week,

(53:47):
I'm going to support them.

Speaker 13 (53:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Either one of those two things is absolutely fine. App
It's not that you need my permission, but absolutely acceptable
entirely your choice of which of those two you choose.
But what is not fine, what is not acceptable, not
allowed is fence sitting. You have to choose stick or flip.

(54:17):
Football fandom doesn't allow you to support two teams playing
in the same league because when they play against one another,
you're faced with an impossible conundrum. So you've had a
couple of weeks to check out Auckland FC, to weigh
them up, to get a gauge on them. But now
the first derby is here. You have to know your
colors to the masch You have to choose are you

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blue or are you yellow? Because you can't be both.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine
to two on Text one twenty back after this on
news Stalks eb.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
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News talksb.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
News Talks one twenty three Talking the Kiwi Darby, Brian says,
I'm born and bred Auckland are proud of my city.
I used to follow Manly in the NRL, then along
came the Warriors and I jumped ship straight away. Same
with football. I've always beged the Phoenix, but now we
have our own team. I've dumped the yellow and black. Brian.
That is that's totally acceptable, absolutely acceptable and common, I'm sure.

(55:25):
But I'm sure there will also be Auckland based Phoenix
fans who don't jump. They stick. Be keen to hear
from you. If you're one of those, Hey, Nev Kenny.

Speaker 12 (55:36):
I'm actually a rugby man through us through, but I
live in the Hawks Bay and when it comes to football,
our team for me will always be the Phoenix.

Speaker 16 (55:51):
Be good.

Speaker 12 (55:51):
Auckland is always a bit distant and we don't seem
to get on very well, with those big city.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Guys, you're much more likely to make friends with us
down in the Capitol and there.

Speaker 12 (56:06):
Do back to the Phoenix, and now there's another team come
on the horizon. I'll still back to Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Good stuff, Nev. Well, that's good to hear, mate, I think. Yeah,
I mean being in Hawk's Bay, I guess geographically you
are closer. But by the sound of it, there's other
qualities that play here too.

Speaker 12 (56:23):
Yeah, we don't forget the over ball game though, I
won't forget that, and never I'd never forget that on
this show.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I'll never forget the oval ball. No, we're like all
shapes and sizes here, Glen, Hi, mate, how's it going?

Speaker 7 (56:38):
Auckland Born and Breds and I were ever going to
the musical Night's first game and the King's first game,
of course was vinced in the last, so I was
already glad to see the Phoenix. Could you get something going?
And they've lasted, They've done well, and I'll stick with
them for the simple reason is that they're a New
Zealand team. They're doing well in the competition and Auckland

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do it. It's great because they're actually beating the Aussies.
Of course we were the Ausies. The only thing I
feel I'm still a little bit. This Porson transfer doesn't
well with me.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, I don't think you're the only one.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Yeah, you know, when when, of course the transfer news
came out on Facebook, I wrote down on what's the
chance of a Midding transfer to Aukland City and I
was pooh booed, and then of course it came to me.
So yeah, that doesn't sac comfortably with me. But I
think I'll stick with the Yellow and Blacks even though
I'm in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Good summery Glenn. Thanks mate, Well that's great and I'd
like it. I don't think you'll be the only one.
I think. You know, football fandom runs deep, and a
lot of a lot of Phoenix fans are Auckland based
because the team's taken games up there a lot they've
They've played at Eden Park, played at Albany, played at
Mount Smart, They've played a lot of games in Auckland

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and picked up a lot of fans up there. But
like I say, it'd be totally understandable if you're an
Auckland football fan and you've you know, not so much
become a diet in the Wall, yellow Fever member in Auckland.
But you've always gone along to watch the Phoenix play
when they're there, or you have done on occasion because hey,
I want to see a professional game of football, and
that was all that was available to you was when

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the Phoenix brought games there. Now you can go and
watch them every other week pretty much. I know it's
not home away, home away, but there's a team in
your city. But you can't have both, not in my
view anyway, however, Chris Is said, Piney, sorry, but I
definitely can be both. I've supported the Phoenix for years.

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I'll chair for them when they play the other teams
apart from Auckland when it comes to the Derby on
Blue all the way, Chris, I kind of get it.
I do, I do, I get it, But I guess
that the illustration of your fandom is who you support
when they play one another, and clearly for you it's
the Blue and Black. So this afternoon it'll be the

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Blue and Black, and I I guess also living there,
you get the chance to go along and watch them,
and it's such a close connection when you can live
go to watch a team play. Text here Who do
you support Wellington or Auckland. Now this is a very

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interesting question for me personally. I have to say, mainly
because I'm not sure if you know this, but I
work in the game. In terms of the broadcast of it,
I have to commentate this game this afternoon, which I'm
very much looking forward to. I'm from Wellington, and as
you've probably worked out when you listen to me on
the show, I'm very proud of being a Wellingtonian, very

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proud of it, and I'll always back the Hurricanes and
the Lions and the Firebirds and the Pulse and those teams.
And I guess up until now I could happily back
the Phoenix without coming across as being biased. But this afternoon,
when I do a commentary on Sky, I have to

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be impartial. I have to. There's there's no other way.
I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I can't just cheer for one team. But I tried
to do that anyway when the Phoenix are playing in
Australian side don't try to be as impartial as possible.
So it's an impossible question for me to ask to answer. Rather,
who do you support it? Who do you support? I
don't support either of the teams in the game this afternoon.

Speaker 17 (01:00:30):
Are you going back on your own on your own statement,
Piney that you that you can support both.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I'm not supporting either. That sounds like a cop out.

Speaker 13 (01:00:39):
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Not a fan of this. I'm not a fan of
the side of you, Piney. Well, I mean you do
you do understand the position I find myself and in
terms of the broadcast of the game, Endy, don't you.

Speaker 17 (01:00:52):
I understand that loud and clear. Mate, I understand that
loud and clear. But I also understand that you just
said you have to pick one?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Well, can you put you?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
No, what I'm what I meant was you can't pick both.
You can pick one or none, and I'm choosing none.
You saying you don't support either Kiwi teams? Now, Piney
the phones man the phones My eleven year old son
says the text as Auckland FA I'm Phoenix Civil War.
It's on in the tron.

Speaker 18 (01:01:21):
Hello Steve, Yeah, Hey, Piney, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I'm okay.

Speaker 18 (01:01:26):
I'm just so fizzing for this game because I'm Wellington supporter,
but I live in Auckland and I just want them
both to pay well. And I support Orchard. I'll support
them over Wellington Phoenix tonight. But I'm supporting the Phoenix
and all the other games.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, and I think that's common, that's common, yeah, but
but yeah, but when they play one another, Steve, you're
blue and black, not yellow and black.

Speaker 18 (01:01:50):
Yeah, for sure, mate, for sure. I had the most
amazing day to day. You wouldn't believe it. And I'm
back here now, long in my bed waiting for this
game to come good amazing mate.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Well, I hope it continues for you. I hope it
continues for you. You've only got about three and a
half hours to wait until kick off, Steve, I hope
you can fill in that time. Good to chat to
your mate, Richard Hype.

Speaker 16 (01:02:14):
Jackson. It's Riscid. You remember me, probably, mate. I'm I'm
Phoenix all the way. I live in Auckland. I'm wearing
a Phoenix shirt and that had a Phoenix cap on
just a moment ago. And I'll support Aukland. You're seeing
everybody else obviously, I'm going to support the Phoenix against
the End today though I live in Orkland. You can't
change your strikes man. I totally don't agree with that.
You've got to stick with the team. It's been seventeen seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Man, I love it, Richard, I love it. And look,
as I've said a couple of people, I don't think
either of the two things is uncommon. There'll be some who,
perhaps maybe more discretion in football fans who say, right,
there's a team in my city, now I'll support them.
But for someone like you, who's been, by the sounds
of it anyway, deeply invested in the Phoenix for the
last seventeen years, you're right, that's that's a hard habit

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to break, man, that's a hard bond to let go of.

Speaker 16 (01:03:01):
Yeah, I'm totally not going tom. I'm a good mate
who's coming over after a work today to watch the
game with me through st Aukland f cea game and
with another maid. And I was like, okay, enough, you know,
but he's come over to sport the Phoenix today. They
said better be Hey, I'm got one more for you.
So David Gohan yesterday on Darcy Watergrave Show, he was
Darcy askedon about Phoenix not taking home games to Auckland

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and Goan. He excavated the question. He said that it's
now a question of it's not as easy it used
to be. It's now a question of three parties. That's them,
Eden Park and Auckland f CEA. I assume so he's
dodging the question. Obviously they could take an Auckland, you know,
a game against Auckland from Wellington up to eden Park.
But what about games against Australian sides? Now they used

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to draw twenty thousand people for Phoenix games. Why wouldn't
they come up here? Why can't I watch my Phoenix
play against someone other than Auckland and Auckland It ain't right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's It's a really tricky one, isn't it.
It's I guess if you're Flipper and you're in You're
you're in Wellington, what would you feel about Auckland f
C bringing a game a hut because it would be
a home game, bringing a game to Wellington rather than
playing it in Auckland. And I think what the home
fans would say that the Wellington based fans, and I

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totally get there's a massive number of you up there
in Auckland as well. I guess what the home fans
would say is, why are you taking a game not
only away from us? But into the backyard of one
of our biggest rivals.

Speaker 16 (01:04:33):
Gets the Australian slide and them playing Australian sides in Auckland.
Why wouldn't they do it? And I just don't understand.
I mean, don't they make money? I think they still
you know, they tweet thousands strong. They're not not kid
that anymore obviously, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, no, Richard, I do know what you mean. And
look I and I didn't hear Darcy and Domie having
a chat. Look, I don't think they'd rule it out,
but it feels a lot more unlikely now that Auckland
f C are there. It feels like that's their patch now.
So if the Phoenix were going to take home games away,
and they are this summer, they'll go other places. They're
going to christ j and you're as you probably know.

(01:05:07):
I get it from your point of view, mate, but
I can't wait for the You've got two derbies up there.
The first one you have to wait that long for.
It's in early December. Looking forward to seeing you at
that one. Richard. Thanks for your call, mate. Definitely not swapping,
says Campbell. Next three to one this afternoon, Pine I
was a Phoenix fan originally, says Brendan. I'm from Wellington,

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but I'm now clearly an Auckland FC fan and I
think tonight's result will be a drawer. Thanks Brendan. Yellow
and Black to win, says Michael Bruce, says Piney, if
a Key we move to Australia, would they support the Wallabies?
I doubt it. Yeah, that's different though, I guess and
away Bruce and that that's the person moving rather than
a team arriving. But I get your point. I can
support both, says this text. The child of me will

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always cheer for the sporting play of any team, and
with any halfway decent team, there'll be many goals scored
in a match, so I cheer for both. I'm blue,
Yellow and Black. Thank you, Kate. I appreciate that very much.
Twenty six away from two, it's gonna be Bronner.

Speaker 19 (01:06:09):
It's dangers go from Nano Planica. No no Planica has
got the gir Then it's gonna get down by f
C Bacty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
It's found the play of the line before being play.

Speaker 19 (01:06:26):
There's no plony covers me.

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
Here on the y gonna win it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
That was a week ago, with Nando Pinniker's ninety seventh
minute back hill giving the Blow and Black their second
win of the season over Sydney FC. Let's bring in
Auckland f C and All Whites defender and Auckland FC
vice captain Tommy Smith. Tommy, thanks for joining us on
game day. You've played a lot of football, mate. Did
you ever think that you'd play in a professional New
Zealand Derby?

Speaker 20 (01:06:53):
No, growing up it was it was never really on
the cars, you know. It was obviously the Football Kings
and the New Zealand Knights and obviously moved down to
Wellington Phoenix, so it never really crossed my mind that
it would be a possibility. But obviously it's it's very
exciting that it's now a reality and we're obviously looking
forward to getting that first rivalry game underway.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Before we talk about the game today, how have you
assisted the performances of the team in your first team mates?

Speaker 20 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I think it's obviously the two results speak for themselves,
brilliant results for us as a club. It's always difficult
when you're a brand new club start from scratch, and
so to do that is a testament to the work
that everybody's putting from top to bottom, you know, the
back room staff, the office staff, everyone's just put so
much effort and time into making it what it is.

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And the culmination of that was those two results, which
are outstanding for the club.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
So in pre season and as you got towards the
start of the new season, Tommy, did you get a
feeling that you guys were going to be okay? That
you had a pretty good team there?

Speaker 20 (01:07:55):
Yeah, I think on paper anyway, you know, you look
at the squad and the Pedigrea player that's in that squad,
it's a pretty decent squad. So it was obviously just
going to be a case of how well we gel together.
And the long preseason helped in that regard. You know,
I think we played I can't remember exactly how many
preseason games we had included in house games, but a
fair few games to get to know each other on

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and off the pitch. So yeah, we always knew we
had a little bit, but it's obviously you're never certain
until that season actually starts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
And the only team in the A League means after
two rounds that has yet to concede a goal as
a defensive unit, how proud, are you of the two
clean sheets?

Speaker 20 (01:08:33):
Yeah, it's something that we pride ourselves in, and we
didn't keep the many clean sheets throughout preseason, so it's
something that was a real big focus of us to
improve on, and obviously it's great. It's great that the
team's got two clean sheets in a row and hopefully
we can make it a third today.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
You bring a huge amount of experience to this team, Tommy.
Have you had to keep some of the younger players
feet on the ground ahead of ahead of this derby
because there is you know, there's a bit of hype
around about it.

Speaker 20 (01:08:59):
Yeah, I think you know, we've got a real good
group of guys there that they are humble. They understand
we've got talent in the squad, but you know, we're
all working really hard and we know that we can't
rest on our laurels and we want to keep this
run going, so we have to work extremely hard. We
know it's going to be a tough contest and it's
obviously going to be an exciting prospect, but yeah, we

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just need to keep doing the things that have got
success this far and hopefully we'll be on the right
end of the result.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
You would have played Derby's I'm sure, and at many
of the other clubs you've been involved in of various sizes.
Do you, as a player relish you know, the opportunity
to play Derby Madges.

Speaker 20 (01:09:37):
Absolutely. It certainly adds another dimension to a game, and
it's obviously brilliant for fans to have something else to
get their teeth stuck into. And you know, there's the
fire has been stoked a little bit from either end
over the past sort of a few days and months.
Even so, it'll be good to see that all comes
to fruition.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Have you had to rap any extra support around Alex
Paulson this week given the reception through no fold of
his own then he might get from the Wellington fans.

Speaker 20 (01:10:05):
Not really, No, think we've we've been giving him a
little bit of banter about it, but I'm sure he'll
be He will be on the receiving end of some
of that, but hopefully it doesn't get personal and it's
just a lighthearted bit of banter from the fans because
like you say, it wasn't through any fault of his own.
It was just a career progression for him and then
he's ended up back at Auckland on loan, so hopefully

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they're not too harsh on him, but I'm sure they'll
give him a bit of ribbon.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah, I know, it's the key way, isn't it. As
you say, you're probably giving at a bit bender internally.
So yeah, so I think that's definitely the key we way.
It probably happened in the all white set up as well,
did it once you you know, like lines were being drawn,
were able to sit with a guy like Tim Payne
and have some lunch for example.

Speaker 12 (01:10:45):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 20 (01:10:45):
Obviously at the time we met up the last camp,
it wasn't on the horizon. So I think it'll be
a bit more interesting obviously after the game has been
played the next Doll Whites camp to see how how
everyone's doing, depending on what that result outcome is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Tell us about the energy that you've you've since at
Mount Smart these first couple of weeks, Tommy, you know,
I mean from the outside looking in and and by
every measure that you know, the crowds have been terrific.
What have they been like, you know, to play in
front of as a player.

Speaker 20 (01:11:13):
Yeah, they've been electric, to be fair, and it's again
a testament to the corporate team for getting people along
and hopefully they've enjoyed the experience of seeing the two
wins first and foremost. But listen the noise they brought
for both games, especially that first game was brilliant to
be a part of. And for a lot of our
guys it would have been the biggest crowd they've played

(01:11:34):
in front off, So it's amazing for them to use
that energy of the crowd and it does help. It
is I know it's a cliche to say that the
crowd are twelfth man, but when they're as loud and
as behind you as they were for us, you know,
it really does help. And I think you see in
the culmination of a ninety seventh winner how the stands
just erupted and it was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Has Nando been this week talking about as win or
has it become a bicycle kick from outside the area
or is he you know, as well aware as a
bare keel and nutmeg the keeper it.

Speaker 20 (01:12:06):
Keeps and back hills. Now, so we've got we've got
to put a lid on that. But now, obviously it's
great for him to get his first goal and just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
On the All Whites, obviously you're singularly focused on club
football at the moment, but another window coming up with
games against vanuad Do and some more. As you travel
along the road to the next World Cup, that's something
that you're you're keen to be a part of, you know,
the journey to the twenty twenty six Football World Cup.

Speaker 20 (01:12:29):
Absolutely, yes, obviously been a long time since the All
Whites have been at the World Cup. So to try
and help get along that journey and make the next
World Cup is a big driving force for me. I'm
still ambitious as an individual and to be a part
of that squad and the talent that's that's in it now,
it's brilliant.

Speaker 12 (01:12:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
And just to finish, what's it like being back in Auckland,
because obviously you came to New Zealand as a young boy,
you had, you know, does some high school education there
and then and then then left again. What's it like
being back in Auckland.

Speaker 20 (01:12:59):
Yeah, it's quite nostalgic, you know, obviously driving around the
area again, just reminiscing on times gone by and bump
into people that haven't seen for years. Because I haven't
lived in Auckland for seventeen early eighteen years, so and
that time's flown by. But you know, you come across
old friends and it's been quite nice catching up and
reminiscent with them and people that haven't seen for a

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very long time. So yeah, no, it's been good. And
obviously selling into a new club environment it does help
when you have sort of a bit of familiarity around you.
So no, it's been great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Well, we can't wait for the derby this afternoon. Tommy.
All the best to you in Auckland FC for what
you being a storic occasion in front of a big crowd.
Really appreciate you taking the time for a jet. Thanks Piney,
take care you take care to Tommy, see you down
at the ground. Tommy Smith, Auckland FC vice captain ahead
of the derby today. On the subject of that word
good afternoon, Jason says Dennis. We've been hearing all week
about the Phoenix for the Auckland match today and it

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incestantly being referred to as a local derby match. Every
time the Pom and this family he isn't being referred
to as a derby match, she exclaims, it's not a
local derby match. The teams are four hundred miles apart
on this rare occasion. I have to agree with her.
That's brave, Dennis, and hope that this misconception about the
game being a derby match will die a natural death

(01:14:14):
when Auckland lose today. For information, the following ancient meaning
is the actual definition of a derby match, and it says,
unlike a sporting rivalry, which can be based on league
position or history between two teams, a derby is a
match between two local clubs that are geographically close to
each other, for example, teams that are from the same

(01:14:35):
city or from the same part of the country. Dennis,
I take your point.

Speaker 21 (01:14:39):
I do I do?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
I guess in terms of geographical proximity, it's certainly more
of a derby than the distance derby that has been
sort of fabricated over the last seventeen years. When it
was actually the furthest the Phoenix could travel to play Perth,
that was called the derby. I take your point, though,
thanks for the email very much. Indeed, seventeen to two,
we'll take a bay come back get you across the

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Tasman Adam Peacock After.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
This questions off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Tyne
and GJ. Gunnerholmes, new Zealand's most trusted home builder.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Let's get you across the Taskman. Adam Peacock, our regular
Australian correspondent, is with us a huge week coming for
horse racing, the Melbourne Cup Cannibal. I think you might
already be in Melbourne, are you?

Speaker 14 (01:15:27):
Yeah, just about to head to Swimmington actually this afternoon,
so doing the international coverage of the Melbourne Cup Carnival.
I don't think you'll see in New Zealand, but I
had to look at a list of places it's going
to and the last one on the list was Mongolia.
So I think it's the first time I'm going to
be on Mongolian television and I'm pretty excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I would be too. You could be massive in Mongolia.
We look forward to a whole new fan base being
built in Mongolia. For you, how big a week is
a silly question. I know, we know it's the race
that stops two nations on Tuesday, but how big a
week is this?

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:16:03):
It's a great way for Melbourne what it has done
twisted a bit in the last few years, like racing
New South. While Peter Blandis who runs the NRL as well.
They made a concerted effort to make it not all
about the Spring racing Carnival in Melbourne. Obviously they brought
it to the Everest. Today is also the ten million
Golden Eagle in Western Sydney at Rose Hills, So there's

(01:16:26):
a bit of competition now and it has diluted the
you know, you don't get all the best jockeys, all
the best horses of a certain age coming to the
Cup Carnival. Now some of them are stay in Sydney.
But still they get nearly three hundred thousand people through
the gate over for Lace Day. It's pretty damn big.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Still absolutely, and so the day itself, the first Tuesday
in November, this coming Tuesday, how many will they get
there that day?

Speaker 13 (01:16:52):
They'll probably get eighty five.

Speaker 14 (01:16:55):
Yeah, so it's a massive day. And I was walking
around the place yesterday. Today it's obviously filled up to
Derby Day, which is recognized as one of the best
days racing in the world because all races a grew three,
group two or Group one three, group one, the pinnacle
are racing. But it's just it's this huge the hospitality
that's gone off these people go and have a good

(01:17:17):
time because down here in Victoria that the last few years,
obviously with COVID, and I felt this last year that
they were looking for an excuse to get out and
start and enjoying themselves properly again. And they're doing that slowly.
The city's were rejuvenating after COVID, but certainly an occasion
like this brings out the best in their ability to
have a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
I think, all right, well, all the best for a
great week ahead other matters around. Tell us about this
young star of Australian sporn. And she is young, but
she plays a bunch of different things, doesn't She cricket
but a football asius football. Kiva Bray is.

Speaker 16 (01:17:53):
Her name, Yes, Keiva.

Speaker 14 (01:17:55):
She kind of burst onto the scene early last week
with cricket when she stepped up and she's an all
around her. She bowls a bit, she bats a bit,
and she's fifteen, so she should be in year nine
at school. She has three years of her high school
education to go after this one, but at the moment
she's taken a term off. She's living down in Sydney

(01:18:15):
playing for the Sydney Sixers, and she helped them win
a game at Adelaide last I think it was last
Sunday actually, and beautiful slow ball, like just just look
like she belongs straight away, crack the winning run with
other colo and I shot there. She's actually also the
under seventeen Australian goalkeeper in football for the June I

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think they're called the Junior Matildas the young Matilda's. But yeah,
so she's got a choice to make and now everyone's
asking when she's going to make that choice. Look, as
a goalkeeper, you know, Piney, as a goalkeeper, you could
probably stave it off for a bit longer. You don't
have to make the choice, not like she's al least Perry,
where Perry juggled it for a bit but couldn't keep
going eventually chose cricket. I think Keeva will have to

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maybe go, oh yeah, I'll do this for a while now,
but she can always go back to the other one.
But yeah, it's talented sportswoman and we're going to see
more of this. There's more women and it's probably the
same over there in New Zealand. More young girls are
inspired by the fact that, oh actually I can make
a living paint spot it's dawned on a lot of
people that it's actually a possibility to throw your weight
behind this and you get good outcomes and keep a

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brayers part of that new generation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Fifteen. Man, we're old, aren't we?

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
I am?

Speaker 14 (01:19:25):
Yeah, Yeah, she's born. She's born. That means she was
born in two thousand and five or two thousand and
nine or two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Got oh, that is just it's crazy. Now, on another
football related matter, A Football Australia this week came out
with the next Steps and their plan to bring in
a national second tier football competition. Can you give us
the broad brush strokes of this.

Speaker 14 (01:19:49):
Yeah, they've gone the light version. They've gone from October
to December. Will extend the MPL season, which is the
I think it's called something similar over there, the level
below the A League. So they're going to basically say, oh,
to the clims that want to be in it, you
can play like a CHAM League style, so group stage
all the way through to a final in December. Look,

(01:20:11):
everyone's blowing up over the year about the tackle. Well
they've got light. This is not what we wanted. This,
that and the other. Well, these clubs are actually sat
in the room with Football Australia and workout this is
what they can afford. At the moment, Football Australia really
really reluctant to go his twenty million bucks, go run
a competition, do your best. Will help you along the way.
Football Australia don't want to put a diamond. They'll help

(01:20:33):
run it and they'll be the facilitator. But it's up
to the clubs to like kind of turbo charge down
finances and all that. It's going to be difficult. So look,
as I said, everyone's blind up about the fact that
it's a water down version. I don't mind it. It's
better than nothing. It's not the ideal desired outcome yet,
but is it the first step towards something bigger? Yes,

(01:20:54):
I think so it goes well. So everyone just needs
to maybe take a chill pill, which is not always
the case of football finers, you know, and let it
play out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Was a Darby over here today. I'm not sure if
you've picked up on that.

Speaker 14 (01:21:06):
No, no, no, So what times kick off on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
The five o'clock New zeal On time. So three o'clock
for you this afternoon, I know you'll be you'll be
obviously deep into your into your work at Flemington, but
now we're looking forward to it over here. But they
think they may push twenty five thousand there this afternoon,
as it should be.

Speaker 14 (01:21:22):
And you're about to get a taste of first hand.
I don't know if you've been to a Sydney Derby
or Melbourne Derby, but they're they're fantastic occasions and it
kind of just yeah, makes you feel alive when you're
at them. So mate, enjoy and hope any of your
listeners that are going enjoy as well. And yeah, you'll
want you want more of it. You want to you

(01:21:42):
look straight up for the game, you look at it
and go okay when they play them again. So yeah,
there are awesome occasions. And that's the best thing about
bringing in a new team is that you set up
rivalry and this one will be a beauty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yeah, I agree. Thanks, make good to chat as always.
Edam Peacock, have a big week, mate, have a good week.
We'll chat again next Saturday. Adam Peacock our Australian correspondent
around this time every Saturday afternoon seven to two new
Stalk Zippy when.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
It's downs on the line you mate on eight weekend
Sport with Jason Pine, News.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Talksb Afternoons flying four to two after our us at
two and in Casha mist It catching you up on
some of the stuff that may have escaped her attention.
An extended chat with kayaker Alicia Hoskin reliving her double
Olympic gold medal winning performances in Paris. She was part
of the K four and the K two, both of
which came home with gold medals. Alicia Hoskin after two.

(01:22:35):
Also Rugby League tonight at Mount Smart which times just
five past eight bit late, Oh not that late, like
it's eleven o'clock at night, but five past eight. Kiwi's
Tonga Mount Smart in the Rugby League Pacific Championship. We'll
get you inside the Kiwis camp and Darren Baisley all
Whites head coach. He'll be an interested spectator at the derby.
He's going to pop in on his way to Sky Stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
The only plays for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conface. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vme on your home of Sport.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
News Talks had been two seven, Hello, this is Weekend
Sport until three Tim Beverage. After that, All White's coach
Darren Baisley is headed for the a Leg derby this afternoon,
but says yeah, I'll pop in on the way so
he'll have a chat to us before three. We'll get
you inside the Kiwi's camp as well ahead of the
Rugby League test against Tonga tonight. Steve Price, not that one,

(01:23:34):
the other one, the assistant coach of the team is
with us, and very shortly Alicia Hoskin going to relive
her heroics in Paris. The elite paddler, Your cause and
correspondence always welcome. O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our number. Nine two nine two is our text line.
But as we approach eight pass two at a rapid
rate of notes, it is time to get you across

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some of the stuff that you may have missed over
the last little while, some of the things that have
escaped your attention while you're doing other things. In case
you missed it. As what we call it, we start
stay site. Victor wembin Yama stuffing the stat sheet to
help the Spurs to an NBA went over Utah with
a locus.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Steel dishing women pupfeck passing to Chris Paul how he
puts it up three Cepete three.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
And fligo and staying in the States. In the NFL,
Aaron Rodgers combined with his star wide receiver Davonte Adams
to lead the Jets to a Thursday Night football went
over the Texans.

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
Extra pressure.

Speaker 22 (01:24:38):
Indeed, Jesus Man has Adams touched down Vonday Adams out
of concussion protocol the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
The ANZI A bit closer to home across the Tasman.
A tough start to the season for the Wellington Phoenix
women's side visted United, baking a.

Speaker 15 (01:24:57):
Fourth the cutback Locaso blocked its looping high hor a.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Mix up between the defenders and it falls on the line.
It's and eventually it is a goal. Hans word carnage
in the Phoenix defense.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
A four to last last night to Western United. Meantime,
Liam Lawson continues to outperformers Formula one rival.

Speaker 23 (01:25:17):
We're on board now with Liam Lawson. Lawson is ahead
of Sergio Perez. Check your flaggers out. I don't think
Sergio Paries has.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Got to the line.

Speaker 23 (01:25:26):
Lawson goes ninth fastest push his hulker Burg outs Perez
pets and he is out of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Qualifying, eventually qualifying eighth for the sprint race in Brazil,
Liam Lawson and finally the Black Cats managing to snatch
some late wickets to gain a bit of momentum going
into day two of their Third Test against India New
Zealand two thirty five India eighty six for four including
Vera Couli, Hi.

Speaker 24 (01:25:53):
Shorry Director, he could be calling here, This could be
a runout. Matt Henry was in in a flash, and
this could be Cotton's football.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
From the track field and the court on your home
of Sport weekends for it with Jason Vine talks in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
B Yes, it was curtains for Coli. So India one
hundred and forty nine behind with six first innings wickets
in hand. Isn't it not to watch this Test with
a state of total relaxation. I watched a bit of
it last night and I was like, Disney doesn't really matter.
We've already won the series. We've already beaten India in
India in Paris. Back in August, elite paddler Alicia Hoskin

(01:26:35):
joined a very exclusive club of kiwis to win multiple
gold medals at the same Olympic Games.

Speaker 15 (01:26:42):
First this it is Germany at the moment who have
their bow just in front from the New Zealanders, Carrington
setting the rhythm and the pace for her teammates. And
behind the bows and now back in front for New Zealand.
It's Carrington lifting the rights, the black boat keeping its
nose in front of Germany.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
They can see the finish line.

Speaker 15 (01:27:03):
It is gold for New Zealan And it's the women's
K four to the four and the sixth golden moment
for Dame Lisa. And then this they are six meters ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Oh, they're flying the Kiwi crew. There is no.

Speaker 15 (01:27:22):
Stopping Carrington and Hoskin. They are heading for the finish
line and they are miles ahead of the opposition. Carrington
and Hoskin a boat length and a half lead.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
New Zealand gold. Two golds in two days for the
dynamic duo, and.

Speaker 15 (01:27:44):
The legacy of the goat in the boat just gets
bigger by the race.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Their gold and the K two five hundred alongside Dame
Lisa Carrington, having also won the K four five hundred
with Dame Lisa, Tara Vaughan and Olivia Brett the previous
day Alicia oskin Is with us Celsia Just yeah, I
hope you enjoyed listening to those calls for a couple
of months now past. How do you reflect back on

(01:28:10):
what happened in Paris?

Speaker 25 (01:28:13):
I mean, even just hearing you talk about those accomplishments,
that still brings a big smile to my face.

Speaker 26 (01:28:19):
And I think it's still sinking in.

Speaker 25 (01:28:21):
I mean, like, what an absolute privilege to be able
to compete with these girls and to be in a
place like Paris doing it. Yeah, I have extremely fond
memories and it has been nice even getting back on
the water now, back doing what we'd love. It's just
nice to be carrying that experience with us and yeah,

(01:28:41):
we're still buzzing awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Can you take us back, Alicia, to the process behind
you being paired with Dame Lisa Carrington and the K
two that after Caitlin Regal retired following the last Olympic Games.

Speaker 8 (01:28:54):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 25 (01:28:54):
I mean every combination, like every group of athletes that
make up a boat, means the boat is completely new
and completely different. So it has been really cool learning
from the crews that have been before us, but then
really balancing that with you've got to find your uniqueness
within the boat or what you bring to the boat.

(01:29:15):
So that's been a really cool journey of just learning
how to work with Lisa, how we optimize our paddling,
but then also how we work together off the water.

Speaker 26 (01:29:25):
In same with the K four.

Speaker 25 (01:29:26):
You know, there's been a few crews that have been
before us that we've learned so much off and it's
cool to see that legacy keep progressing. So we're trying
to sort of accumulate all our knowledge so that the
girls that can step in the boat after us have
a little bit of taste of that, but can also
bring their uniqueness to the boat. So it's been a

(01:29:47):
really cool journey learning how that works in the physical
sense but also off the water. So yeah, it's been
it's been a lot of work, but it's been a
cool journey.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I want to talk about the K four as well,
But in the K two with Dame Lisa or was
it a connection that you were able to forge relatively quickly.

Speaker 25 (01:30:06):
Yeah, I mean I got the opportunity to peddle a
K two with Lisa when I was about eighteen years old,
and I couldn't stop my legs from shaking because I
was so nervous, and it was just she was sort
of my role model in the sport growing up, so
to get in a boat with her, I could not
stop the boat from shaking.

Speaker 26 (01:30:27):
So it's been a full circle moment actually racing in Paris.

Speaker 25 (01:30:30):
So yeah, we've developed that friendship for over many, many years,
which means that when it comes to working together professionally,
we do have a lot of trust and a lot
of respect for each other.

Speaker 26 (01:30:44):
So I would say it's relatively.

Speaker 25 (01:30:45):
Quick and easy to be able to step into that
working relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Did you feel any pressure though, at Lisha coming into
the boat Dame Lisa and Caitlin Regel of course one
gold in Tokyo. Did you feel any pressure?

Speaker 26 (01:30:56):
Definitely?

Speaker 25 (01:30:57):
I mean I think I just tried to frame it
up as it means a lot to me, and it
means a lot to our country, it means a lot
to our sport.

Speaker 26 (01:31:06):
So I took that extremely.

Speaker 25 (01:31:07):
Seriously, and it is you know, you get these opportunities
once every four years, which you work for so many
hours on the water to even be able to turn
up at the start line, let alone the pressure of
executing a race and the sort of expectation that you
can actually do quite well. So there was definitely pressure,

(01:31:28):
But I think that's half the fun of it is
learning how to actually use.

Speaker 26 (01:31:33):
The pressure to get more out of yourself.

Speaker 25 (01:31:35):
I think without the pressure, I probably wouldn't be the
athlete or the person that I am today. So it's
just sort of like learning how to frame it up.
But there was definitely pressure.

Speaker 26 (01:31:44):
I mean, you're.

Speaker 25 (01:31:45):
Peddling with the goat of the sport and the most
decorated Olympian of all time, Like it's hard for that to.

Speaker 26 (01:31:52):
Not cross your mind sometimes.

Speaker 25 (01:31:53):
So yeah, there's definitely pressure, but I think it helped
me perform better.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
So in Paris, the K four final was the first one.
You led it halfway, but then Germany got got in front.
I can tell you're all nervous back you're watching, but
you you got back in front and took the gold.
Can you take us or talk us through the back
end of that race?

Speaker 27 (01:32:14):
Totally?

Speaker 25 (01:32:15):
I mean, it's so exciting because the Germans and the
Hungarians have such a strong legacy in the sport. They've
won the Olympic Games between those two countries since it began,
so to actually be in the fight with those crews
is something incredibly special for New Zealand anyway, But we
sort of we knew the different race strategies that different

(01:32:36):
countries have, so we knew to stay calm as Germany
came through in the middle section, So to us, it
wasn't necessarily a surprise that they're right there or they're
inching ahead of us. So as much as it kept
everyone on their seats, we had to rarely trust our
race plan, and we knew that we could if we

(01:32:58):
trusted it, we could come through in that.

Speaker 26 (01:33:00):
Back end and that last two hundred meters.

Speaker 25 (01:33:03):
So yeah, I sort of we hit the two hundred
meters to go and I just saw the like intensity
in Lisa's body and I.

Speaker 26 (01:33:10):
Was like, all right, we're going.

Speaker 25 (01:33:12):
We're all in here, and so all the girls it
was sort of like all of our paddles hitting the
water at the same time, and we just had this
really cool momentum through to the finish line, which as
a paddler is sort of the feeling you're always searching for,
and it's sort of the it's cooler than the gold medal,
that feeling of like coming through the back end of

(01:33:33):
a race.

Speaker 26 (01:33:34):
So yeah, that's a cool memory for all of us
to bet I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Bet I remember chatting to Tara and Olivia afterwards. Actually
they were so delighted and rightly So can you talk
about how you forged such an effect of K four combination?

Speaker 25 (01:33:48):
Definitely, I mean every girl brings sort of that unique
quality to the boat. So, like someone like Olivia is
an extremely powerful athlete, so in seat three, she's sort
of acting as this really big engine, especially off the
start line. She has really core ability to really help

(01:34:08):
accelerate the boat. So that's sort of like a big
part of her role within the K four. And then
Tira is extremely consistent, like race on race on race.

Speaker 26 (01:34:19):
Will do the exact same thing every race.

Speaker 25 (01:34:21):
So it's an extremely reliable person to have in the
back of the boat because you've really got to especially
in the back of the boat.

Speaker 26 (01:34:30):
You've got all the.

Speaker 25 (01:34:31):
Countries around you. There's paddles everywhere, there's water flying everywhere.
So the more that you can be really in the
rhythm of your own boat is really important asset at
the back of the boat, So that's something that she.

Speaker 26 (01:34:44):
Does really well.

Speaker 25 (01:34:46):
So yeah, everyone sort of brings their unique quality to
the boat, and that's how we make up the order
that we sit in or how to get the best
out of each other is by focusing on those things.

Speaker 26 (01:34:58):
So yeah, everyone has a unique role.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
So what's your role then in the two seat in
the K four.

Speaker 25 (01:35:04):
Yeah, I guess something yeah, I can do is mimit
Lisa really well. So it means that the rhythm that
Lisa is setting, I can help connect the back of
the boat with the front of the boat, so they're
sort of, yeah, the rhythm of the boat the sort
of we call it the stroke rate, so how fast

(01:35:25):
our pedals are going through the water.

Speaker 26 (01:35:27):
That sort of my responsibility is to connect.

Speaker 25 (01:35:30):
Lisa with the girls in the back so that we're
all on the same page, we're all doing the same thing.
And I also do a lot of the calls, so
someone in the middle has to do the calling so
that the front person can hear them and the back
person can hear them. So a lot of my responsibility
is also within the communication. So yeah, lots of different things.

Speaker 26 (01:35:53):
Make up my role.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Brilliant. So in the lead up to powis, then how
did you divide your training time between the K two
and the K four, but also giving Dame Lisa time
in the K one? Did that need some some serious
planning totally.

Speaker 25 (01:36:07):
I mean, that's why it was so important for our
whole team to be part of all the races and
all the boats, because it really was a team commitment
to take on all three races.

Speaker 26 (01:36:21):
So the K four is definitely the most complex.

Speaker 25 (01:36:24):
Race and it's definitely the hardest one to get that
gold medal in, so we invested a huge amount of
time into that because it requires four girls to be
on the same page doing exactly the same thing at
the same time, so it's a really hard race to win,
so we invested a lot of time into that, but
also trusting that when we are in the K four,

(01:36:46):
I am sitting right behind Lisa, so I'm still training
the K two at the same time, and then when
we go out in a K one, we're training that
engine of physicality to be able to do those races.
So it's sort of just continually finding the link between
all the races as much we can so that all

(01:37:07):
of them are carrying this momentum into the Games. But
it is a tricky thing and it's not easy to
be able to feel like all boats can compete at
that standard, So it's something we had a lot of
help with so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
The K four gold medals locked away. The next day,
it's the K two final with yourself and Dame Lisa.
By contrast to the K four finally absolutely dominated the
K two more than a boat lean the head of
the rest of the field. I don't think you were
troubled at all. We were worried it all back here.
Did you always feel as though you were in control
of that race?

Speaker 25 (01:37:40):
It's really interesting because so many people have said that,
But what like crazy is the side wind was coming through.

Speaker 26 (01:37:47):
So the wind was coming through and bouncing off the
grand stand.

Speaker 25 (01:37:52):
So the last one hundred meters of the race was
really choppy, and a lot of the girls are wobbling
around and it's really hard to keep in sync with
your teammate. And I remember thinking, we've come this far,
don't want to fall in. So it's so focused and
I had no energy going to where the other crews were.

Speaker 26 (01:38:10):
I was just so focused on Lisa staying in sync
with her, and so I.

Speaker 25 (01:38:16):
Didn't really realize what we've done until we crossed the
finish line.

Speaker 26 (01:38:21):
But yeah, at that point, it was just incredible.

Speaker 25 (01:38:24):
It was such a cool race to be a part
of and to have that many girls fighting behind us
and having two girls get the third equal that really
happens in kayaking, so it's awesome to see the quality
of the field as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Now I don't expect you to reveal the content of
any discussions you've had with Dame Lisa about her continuation
or not, but do you now kind of have to
wait for her to make a decision about whether she
will go around again for another Olympic cycle, because regardless,
I presume you're targeting the next Olympic Games.

Speaker 25 (01:38:58):
Yes, so pretty much like my goal isn't really dependent
on anyone or anything. I as soon as I went
on breakutely missed paddling and I.

Speaker 26 (01:39:07):
Missed the girls, so I knew that I just wanted
to get back on the water.

Speaker 25 (01:39:13):
So yeah, that's happening irrelevant to whatever our context is
going forward. So yeah, that's something I love to do.
But it's been awesome because it's not like our team
has made a commitment to keep working together. Because we
have these experiences and this knowledge that we've learned before
the Paris Olympics, We're not just going to throw that

(01:39:36):
away and walk away or anything. So we're rarely trying
to spend hours off the water debriefing and planning and
how we're K four paddles because we have only done
it at once and a lot of other countries have
done it a lot of times. So we're still really
working hard to try and set up what our program

(01:39:58):
looks like, how we move forward together, how we can
make the next one more knowledgeable or fastest. So like
it's we're spending a lot time doing the debriefing and
the planning, which has been really exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Have you or would you ever race K one?

Speaker 26 (01:40:16):
I think we get asked that all the.

Speaker 25 (01:40:18):
Time, but I mean, I'm so passionate about the team,
and I'm so passionate about K four racing and K
two rating that it's not necessarily something that's on the top.

Speaker 26 (01:40:27):
Of my mind.

Speaker 25 (01:40:28):
But I'm really invested in our team, so that's definitely
where my priority is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
All Right, you've had heart surgery when you were seventeen
years old. Did you ever think you might not be
able to keep paddling at an elite level?

Speaker 26 (01:40:44):
Definitely.

Speaker 25 (01:40:45):
I mean if my oblation wasn't successful, then there would
have been no career in high performance sport for me.
So there was definitely a time there where I thought
that maybe I couldn't exercise to that level again even
then just move my body to that level. But something
that it did give me was this sort of perspective

(01:41:07):
which was, if I can't do the sport, who am I?

Speaker 6 (01:41:12):
For one?

Speaker 26 (01:41:14):
But then also what is it that I miss so much?

Speaker 25 (01:41:17):
I miss the community, I miss being out there with
the girls, I miss the challenge of it.

Speaker 26 (01:41:23):
So it really helped me find why I wanted to
do this rather than.

Speaker 25 (01:41:28):
I just want to win the Olympics. It became so
much more than that. So yeah, when I did get
to come back to paddling, I think it really helped
me have it in a bit more of a perspective.
And what a privilege it is that my body can
move this way and can actually train three times a day, And.

Speaker 26 (01:41:48):
So I feel like I really haven't taken that for granted.
So I'm really really grateful.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Amazing, amazing and sight what a great outlook as well.
So where are your gold medals? Where do you keep them?

Speaker 25 (01:41:59):
They're actually just here, They're on my desk. They come
to my school, visits with me and sort of they're
still doing the rounds.

Speaker 27 (01:42:09):
I think about maybe two thousand people might have either
taken booktures with them or held them, so they're a
little bit scratched up, but that's how I'd prefer it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Absolutely, they're not supposed to live behind glass, are they,
or in a drawer somewhere. They're supposed to be taken
out and shine around and used to excite people and
motivate people, perhaps to be an Olympian themselves. Just terrific. Look,
it's been such a pleasure talking to you, Alicia. Just
before I go, so you meet you before you're back.
You're back training now you're back in the water.

Speaker 26 (01:42:41):
Yeah, we had about five weeks off and I had
ants in my pants. So I have got back out
on the water, back in the.

Speaker 25 (01:42:48):
Gym, and it's very basic level training but I hate yeah,
I do love it.

Speaker 26 (01:42:54):
So I'm back out on the water now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Well, you gave us a couple of absolutely magnificent moments
in Paris in the K two and the K four.
Congratulations Alicia. It's obviously, you know, nowhere near the end
for you. Another Olympic cycle coming up in whichever form
that takes. Again, congratulations and thanks so much for taking
the time for a chat.

Speaker 26 (01:43:15):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Thanks Alusia, Alsia Hoskin there double gold medalist at Paris
and the K two and K four five hundred meters too.
Twenty seven. We'll take a great come back and flick
our attention across to Rugby League Pacific Nations Championship Test
match Amount Smart Stadium tonight just after eight o'clock Kiwe's
v Tonga. Assistant coach of the Keewe Steve Price with
us right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
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Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
Australias to click it too too.

Speaker 28 (01:44:00):
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in the game by twenty two points.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Stits in And that was last week. The Pacific Nations
Cup continues tonight Mount Smart Stadium. It is the Kiwis
against Tonga where the kickoff at five past eight. The
winner will go on to meet Australia in the final
in Sydney next Sunday. The loser faces the possibility of relegation.
Let's bring in Kiwi's assistant coach Steve Price. Steve, last week,

(01:44:29):
what were your main takeaways from the Test against Australia.

Speaker 21 (01:44:33):
Thought the boys are really courageous, you know that. Thought
fought really hard. They put themselves in a good position
to give themselves a chance to win the game. At
the back end of the game, I was sixteen ten,
eight minutes to go and unfortunate, you know, we just
had a had a had a fundamental error over they

(01:44:58):
run our left edge. But yeah, it was really really
positive display. You know, five deputimes. I thought Keana fullback
had a superb game and uh you know Phoenix Phoenix crosslin.
So there was Again there's a number of good takeaways
we can take from the game.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
Well, I guess the way the competition works, Davis, if
you have beat Tonga this evening, you will play Australia
again in the final. So if that happens, would you
fancy your chances of beating them?

Speaker 21 (01:45:28):
To be honest, we're not looking too far ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:45:30):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:45:31):
It's going to be a really tough game against tom
of the quality outfit. You know they've got some big mobile,
many many in the turm. It can cause a bit
of destruction. So you know we're we're looking at keep
going our game defensively and looking at a few little
tweaks offensively we can make some inroads. So we're not

(01:45:55):
looking too far ahead past past Tonga.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
To be honest, how much of this week has been
about recovery every.

Speaker 21 (01:46:03):
Every test matches. You know, you know high in tensity
and you know we've got a fantastic high performance start
here in the Kowis and you manage their training roads
quite well. But in saying that, still you still need
to get some volume volume into the boys and get
some intensity with the training which we have. We felt
like we've got the week right. We've got a couple

(01:46:25):
of days off too, so you know the tank to
be filled up and we'll be ready to throw down
hard again.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
So you've stuck with the same starting thirteen. In fact,
the only changes on the bench where Leo Thompson returns
from a suspension here kurn A week one of the
NRL Finals. Was there any temptation to tinker any further
with the with the side.

Speaker 21 (01:46:46):
I think Stacey was really happy with the performance of
all seven are members last week. You know, there's a
number of guys who hadn't played for you know, fair
a few weeks for the guys who didn't make the
semifinals in the n RL. So it's good to get
one game under the belt. You get a little bit
of more continuity with with the with the same same

(01:47:09):
same side except Leo coming in. So that's going to
be really positive for from a cohesion point of view.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
What sort of challenge are you expecting from Tonga tonight.

Speaker 21 (01:47:19):
Yeah, it's going to be a really physical game. It's
going to be a brutal start. It's important that we
play with our heads and play with our smarts and
you know, play with control. I think that's really important.
And you know, you know, our keeping game last week
I thought was really strong with with Sewan and so

(01:47:40):
you know it's important that we keep going that and
you know, potentially we've got to be really really strong.
We've got a number of you know, quality backgrounds in
their team in Elie Katara and Akwasu and uh so
we need to be really strong around defensively on those
edges and the young Ki Kato at half facts, you know,

(01:48:00):
the conductor of the team, so we're going to have
to be on higher load around him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Also, your specific brief in this coaching setup Stever's defense.
How much will the defense of patterns change this week
against Tonger compared to last weekend against Australia.

Speaker 21 (01:48:17):
Yeah, you don't really have a lot of time to
change too much. It's important that you just get the
basic principles right with you, you know when you're first
coming in the camp, and put your foundation off your
off your basic principles and keep going cohesion amongst the
personal there. So I like to think that we can

(01:48:37):
keep going a strong connection amongst amongst the group. At
the end of the day, they're elite players and they've
come from really strong foundations from now in our clubs.
It's just about marrying that up and putting them in
a basic foundation to get the guys connecting together.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
How's Stacy Jones going as Keewis head coach.

Speaker 21 (01:48:59):
Yeah, fantastic. You know, the boys are really brought into
what Stace is about. He's you know, he's we will
come come coach a very clear purpose and certainly knows
what he what he wants from the team and what
it looks like to be able to go out there
in play. So yeah, he's been great, great in cab

(01:49:21):
and you know the boys have been love love being
coached by it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
And no doubt a big crowd tonight, and there will
be a lot of Tonguan fans as well as you know, Steve,
you know, they turn up to watch our tongue of
player as much as they do to watch the Kiwis play.
So yeah, it might be a real cauldron there this evening.
How much will you or will the players feed off
the energy of the crowd.

Speaker 21 (01:49:43):
Yeah, certainly, you know, it's important and hopefully we can
you know, take you know, take the noise away by
controlling the game. But you know, I'm sure there's going
to be a plenty of red jerseys and red plagues
about and hopefully we can get a lot of black
plagus and black jerseys also, So yeah, it's going to
be a great spectacle and hopefully we get a big

(01:50:04):
roll up you know too, good teams going at it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Yeah, great occasion incoming. Thanks Steve, appreciate your time on
match day. That's Steve Price, assistant coach of the Kiwis.
They take on Tonga tonight Mount Smart five past eight.
As I say, the winner will meet Austrader in the
final in Sydney next Sunday twenty three to three. We
take a break, we'll come back. A special studio guest
or White's head coach Darren Baisley is with me right
after this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
NB bang on twenty to three A leg derby Wellington
phoanix Auckland FC five o'clock kickoff this afternoon at Sky
Stadium in the Capital. A very interested spectator will There'll
be plenty of those, but one in particular will be
All Whites head coach Darren Baisley, who will be at
the game obviously, but as popped in on his way.
Nice to see you mate, Thanks for taking the time
out of your busy afternoon to come and see us. Firstly,

(01:51:01):
the occasion base How significant is this occasion for the
game football here in New Zealand.

Speaker 29 (01:51:08):
I think it's massive. You know, it's so exciting and
it's a it's a day we've waded forever for to
two professional teams in New Zealand, first big derby, both
teams unbeaten. I'll be honestly, I think it's one of
the biggest days in football in the country for a
long long time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
What have you made of Auckland FCS start to life good?
You know, I've been watching them build the club. You know,
I've speak to them pretty regularly.

Speaker 29 (01:51:30):
They've got a lot of good Kiwi lads there as
well and brought in some good imports, so there they've
built a really strong club with some strong solid foundations.
You know, they've got good backers and everything, so that
they've done a good job and what they've put on
the pitch so far has been good to watch and
very competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
They sit at the start before they even started recruising,
we are going to give a focus to Kiwi players
and they've they've I've done that, They've they've walked that walk.
Uh for you, as a as all White's head coach,
is this a good thing? Having having players here that
you can keep a close eye on or converously would
you rather they were playing elsewhere?

Speaker 29 (01:52:06):
Think it's I think it's both.

Speaker 7 (01:52:07):
It's good.

Speaker 29 (01:52:08):
It's definitely good. I mean it's it's great for New
Zealand and for the All Whites to have the extra team.
It gives people opportunities to play, and it's you know,
you know, for for the younger players, it's it's amazing,
you know, the platform to become pros and and the
pathway now is there. And we've seen what's happened recently
with Sermon and Paulson and Ben Old that once you

(01:52:29):
you play a number of games and you play to
a certain level, you can move from this area. So
I think it's great to have two platforms. But it's
not just for the young players.

Speaker 25 (01:52:38):
You know.

Speaker 29 (01:52:38):
You you look at sort of Tim and Roofs and
now Nando and you know they're a little bit older
and they're performing really well and they get selected for
the All Whites. So it's not necessarily you have to
be anywhere to be playing. I mean, the most important
thing for us is that you are. You are playing,
you're playing professionally, and you're playing to a pretty good level.
We're at that stage now where it's super competitive for

(01:53:00):
places in not just the starting level, but the squad,
you know, every every squad now we name where we
leave out some some pretty big names and that's just
due now to the competition for places and everyone's everyone's
doing really well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
You've lived nicely into my next question. Actually, we've got
a lot of players playing in leagues all over the
place and some good leagues and playing regularly. Can good
a league form get you into the All Whites?

Speaker 29 (01:53:25):
Definitely, yeah, definitely. You know, we've got players like Rufa
and Tim Payne that you know, pretty much get picked
now every time we put a squad together and we
put them on the pitch there, you know, and they
they're able to go to a higher level. You know,
I'm sure there's a number of players, including those two,
that if given an opportunity, could also play in a
different environment at a different level. Harder for older players

(01:53:47):
to move from this league, you know, because clubs around
the world are looking for that young player, you know,
the potential, and you know, most players get signed on
potential from this part of the world and then they
try and develop them a la Paulson. But you know,
for players that are performing regularly, they're fit, they're playing well.
You know, we we obviously know they can come into

(01:54:08):
different environments and perform.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
I just want to askive you a specific player, and
that's Mirco Rojas. I haven't seen him play for New
Zealand since June of last year, the abandoned game against
Cutter I think was the last time we saw him
with the All Whites. Hopefully we'll see him this afternoon.
Does he still part of your all white spreadsheet?

Speaker 29 (01:54:24):
He certainly is. Yeah, and that day he played very
well in that in that game. Yeah, he's on the
He's on the board, I call it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:30):
He's on the board.

Speaker 29 (01:54:31):
We've got this white board of all the names on
and you know we've got around around sixty players. Now
you know that are professional players around the world. You know,
not all necessarily each window options, but we've definitely got
probably forty five legitimate options for like this upcoming window
that we talk about as staff and that are a

(01:54:52):
potential option to bring in. We have been pretty consistent
with selections, but you're as you have seen every every
squad there are a few different players. Funnily enough, everywhere
it's not really funny, but every squad we name, we
always lose a player through some sort of injury. Just
previous to the squad agating together, and you know, unfortunately

(01:55:12):
we've lost Ben Old you know, for this for this
next window, so that's a shame. But at this stage,
you know, the next window is looking like one of
our strongest squads that we'll probably ever put together.

Speaker 7 (01:55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
I see you talk about injuries and a guy who
has been afflicted a bit of Sarprate sing. But I
see he got back on the pitch the other day.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
So is he Beck?

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I mean, he's on the white I know he's on
the whiteboard. Without presume he's on the whiteboard. Are you
hopeful to see I've seen Sarpreate beck in the ones.

Speaker 7 (01:55:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:55:36):
I mean, he's got another game for his club this weekend,
so hopefully he gets good minutes again. He's you know,
I talked Sarpreate pretty regularly. He's been a little bit
unlucky over the last few years. But just recently he
picked up a little injury before the America tour, you know,
because he was coming there and then he's gone into
a new club. He's had a slight injury, nothing to
do with his previous injuries, and he had a little

(01:55:58):
visa issue and then he was actually suspended from his
time in Germany for the for the first game that
he was available for. So yeah, he's back now. I
mean we all know a Fitzapri is a real, real
good asset for us.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
What about Ryan Thomas, he's back playing now as well?
Is he on the whiteboard?

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
He sure is?

Speaker 29 (01:56:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Ryan has the potential to be
one of the best players that we have. You know,
he's obviously another player that's had a sort of horrendous
few years injury wise, and you know, got himself to
a level where he was playing in one of the
top clubs in Europe at PSV, and you know, it's
a real shame how that's worked out, and he's never

(01:56:38):
ruled out playing for the All Whites. And again it's
another player I speak to pretty regularly and great to
see him get get minutes the other day, but it
was a shame for him. He got on and then
his team had a player sent off and ended up
playing with ten men, so that became difficult for him
on his sort of return, But he's gradually getting his
fitness and his confidence. I think it would take, knowing Ryan,

(01:57:01):
it would take quite a while of consistently playing before
he was, he would take on extra you know, and
you've got to think he's fighting for his club career really,
and to come away from his club and travel to
come into an all its environment is an extra burden
on his body at the moment. But I think once
he gets his confidence and plays a number of games,

(01:57:22):
there's always the potential. I've never ruled him out and
the door's always open.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Goalkeepers, now, you're plenty of those at the moment. You're
three or the three you've used most recently in squads,
Max Krok, Alex Paulson, who will see this afternoon, of course,
and also Olie's sail. But beyond those three, I mean
Michael Vouds and the Awkland f C squad for example.
He's a guy who's played, you know, played all Whites
games recently, and then Henry Gray, Case Sims and others.

(01:57:49):
I'm not quite sure how to phrase the question. Maybe
I'll just ask it direct. What does Alex Paulson have
to do to be your number one?

Speaker 18 (01:57:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:57:55):
I mean he's got to play games, you know, and
just keep developing. You know, he's still very young. We
have to remember he's very young. He's probably well, he
has had one season and had an amazing season and
obviously got all the accolades from that season and got
a big move. But like Bournemouth, he's he's potential, you know,
he's a young player. Bournemouth have seen a real high

(01:58:17):
level of potential in him, of willing to put a
bit of money behind that and back that decision and
now they've sort of given him opportunity to go and
play games. So yeah, he's definitely in the frame for us.
They're all competing, you know, Max Crokum probably is the
number one at the moment. He's been very good for
us and you know last season he got Player of
the Season at his club in League One, which is

(01:58:40):
a super competitive environment. You know, some big clubs in
League One. It's the same league Tyler Bindon plays in
and Ben Wayne is playing in. So that's a really
good level that he's at as well, different age, they're
both very good as and if we go back two years,
Oli Sale was the number one, go back three years,
Michael vaud was involved and we've had Nick Zanev play

(01:59:03):
as well. Who's who's another good goalkeeper? You you're right,
we've got good stocks young players coming through with Henry
and Case and some younger players as well, so real
good options. You know, we we just got to keep
giving those opportunities for them to impress.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
So you've got two games in the middle of this
month of Bantu and some more, both at home, which
will be good, a couple of home games for fans
to get around. You alluded to it before, but you're
going to pull together a pretty good squad for that.

Speaker 7 (01:59:30):
Yep.

Speaker 29 (01:59:30):
Yeah, everybody's keen. I think I think all the players
know that it's getting really competitive Foray for positions, so
I think every opportunity they get now they want to come,
They want to be involved, and you know they want
to have the shirt and play, which is great for us.
Means you know, we're going to have this home games
against two Island teams with a pretty strong squad, and

(01:59:52):
it will allow us to help with some minutes for
different players. And again everybody wants to come into the squad.
But then everybody wants to start the game, so we've
got some difficult conversations to have and then you know
it's down to them perform the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
A coach I'm sure would like to have rather than
scratching around to try and pull a squad together. All right, bos,
will you better get to the game. What's your pick?
By the way, can you be or do you have
to be completely impartial tonight? Completely impartial? I mean I'm
excited to see I hope it's competitive. I'm sure it's
going to be competitive. You know, when you've got players
like Rufa and Timmy and those guys involved, it's it's

(02:00:29):
going to be competitive. You know, there's a lot of
friends in both teams, you know, teammates in all whites
competing against each other, and a lot of bragging rights.
So I think it's going to be competitive. I don't
want to say who are where. I'd like to say
it'll be a three to three entertaining game, but then
that means Paulson and Nandale probably haven't haven't performed as
well defensively, and I don't want to say Neil Neil

(02:00:50):
because that wouldn't be a great game. But yeah, just
looking forward to a really competitive game, all right, and
no injuries for the New Zealand players, presumably. Great to
see your base. Thanks for us stopping on your way
to the game. As some cheers pain, Thanks bare and
basically the head coach of the All Whites nine and
a half to three, New Stalks.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
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Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Six to three. That is us for the Saturday version
of Weekend Sport. Anyway Berg show coming tomorrow, All Blacks
England four o'clock tomorrow morning, follow by the New Zealand
and fifteen against Munster. Will cover both of those games
off whatever happens on day two in the cricket, the
rugby League tonight the A League Derby of course all
of that to review. Also joined in studio tomorrow by
Mark Graham, absolute icon of New Zealand rugby League and

(02:01:39):
his filmmaker son Luke. They are this week releasing the
documentary about Mark's life called Sharko. So Mark and Luke
Graham among our guests tomorrow as well. Huge thanks to
you for tuning in this afternoon, for taking part in
the show. Hope you enjoyed yourself whatever it was you
decided to do listen, call text or I was going

(02:01:59):
to say none of the above. You probably wouldn't be
with us. Andy McDonald, a huge thanks to you for
producing the show as per usual, what's our exit song today?

Speaker 17 (02:02:06):
Well, Piney, quite frankly, today, I've had enough of this
fence sitting. I'm not going to pick a team to
support from you and Darren Beasley actually, although bes is
a bit more of an excuse considering he's got a
pet players from other team.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
So I'll tell you what.

Speaker 17 (02:02:18):
I'm going to nail my flag firmly to the mast.
I will say goodbye even though I'm blue Piney seven
Wine Auckland FC.

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
And on that note, i will tell you I'm not
really much of a football person.

Speaker 17 (02:02:33):
So I don't know if that's a that's pretty bold,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
That's on the that's on the upper side of bold.
I think you would say. I'll tell you what. There's
going to be some happy Blue and Black fans. So
that's the situation in four or five hours from now.
Thank you, Andy, thank you for listening sit him right
on the day.

Speaker 6 (02:03:13):
It was the last thing we could do.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
You're telling her what suppers we do. And that's why
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
This is why I stop blue.

Speaker 10 (02:03:24):
I'm telling away and he goes to tell Charlie and
I'm play goodbye even though I'm Loue, even.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
Though I'm Blop, I'm blue Charlie. I'll say goodbye even
though I'm blue, even bo I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:03:42):
I'm tally, I'm playing goodbye.

Speaker 26 (02:03:46):
I'm looking, even though.

Speaker 4 (02:03:50):
I'm going to land.

Speaker 26 (02:03:52):
And I'll say goodbye.

Speaker 24 (02:03:54):
I'm sling and I'm saying good bye

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
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