Full Show Podcast: 02 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
Us Talks NB an elongated version of Weekend Sport eleven
minutes past eleven All Blacks twenty six Island thirteen four
tries to won. Three of those tries. After the sixty
minute mark, fed.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
By roy Guard takes it away. He tells me through,
he goes.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Through one, he goes through, he does through three, Silent
for the All Blacks.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
Campy roy Guard.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, what a performance from cam Roygard. Just one of
many impressive All Blacks today. Three straight wins over Ireland
for the All Blacks for the first time since twenty thirteen.
Match commentator and rugby editor Elliott Smithers with us for
a quick recap after the final whistle in Chicago. Elliot,
have we just seen the best twenty minutes of rugby
in the Scott Robertson era.

Speaker 6 (01:06):
It's a very good question.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Piney hadn't thought of it like that, but I would
have to agree with the game in the balance at
thirteen seven down to do what they did in that
last twenty minutes where the game went from as it said,
being in the balance and the All Blacks playing from
behind to winning by the margin that they did, and
but for a four pass could have even added a
little bit more icing to a pretty good cake here

(01:29):
in Chicago.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
That was the All Blacks. Yeah, I would agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
That was the All Blacks best twenty minutes under Scott Robertson.
And it was the twenty minutes they needed to deliver
and they did and that'll hold them in good stead.
You know that there are big challenges to come. Scotland's
will be tough next week at Murrayfield, England. It ticketed
him very good against Australia today and Wales we knows
with what you get from the Welsh. But that'll hold
them a good stead for the next three weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think that performance absolutely right. So what did you
see from the All Blacks? And they had period from
minute sixty two when to mighty William was burrowed over
for the try right through to the end where as
you say, but for a four pass, it could have
been an even bigger school line. What did they do
particularly well in that twenty minute period.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
I think they just didn't panic.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
There were signs of panicking, and there were signs where
a little bit of backchat was coming through, And I
wonder what was set under the post when they went
thirteen to seven down from a kicker in front that
went from being thirty two meters out to being twenty
two meters out, and it felt like Ireland were applying
some real school board pressure at that point. I wonder
what was set under the stix at that point, because

(02:32):
after that the backchat stopped. They made a couple of
changes the All Blacks to their personnel. Damien McKenzie came on,
but things flowed a little bit more smoothly and they
got the benefits of putting that pressure on the Irish
line out that they've been doing all game and worked
a real treat and also the Irish drum. But that
came to the four. They just trusted their game. Inside

(02:52):
that final twenty minutes, were able to play in the
right areas of the park, the red zone, which they
weren't really able to do between minutes forty to sixty
and the latter part of the game. They were able
to do so and put real fatigue on the Irish
in that backcourt of the game.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
You spoke during commentary in glowing terms about the young
locking pair Fabian Holand. We heard you chat to him
before the game and as you said, he's played every
Test of the year, which is quite the workload for
somebody in their first international season, alongside Josh Lord who's
hardly played for the All Blacks yes this year. You know,
what did you seem from that locking partnership in the

(03:29):
absence of Scott Barrett Patrick Tuilou to Pulvai.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
I thought there was a very impressive afternoon from those
two that could be the making of both of them.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Now.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Fabian Holand has had some good Test matches so far
in his career, even in the opening ten matches, but
awarded man of the match today was forced to be
the senior man in the lineout and only went into
the game. I mean, he's younger than Josh Lord and
he's only played one more Test and he's only been
around this year, but he felt like he took on
the senior mantle. And then Josh Lord came to the

(04:01):
party as well, and Josh Lord dar I said, and
I mean this with the greatest respect. Has been somewhat
of an enigma in New Zealand rugby since he was
called it in twenty twenty one, played in Washington against
the United States. Has had a lot of injuries, but
also has had to fight his time as the fourth
or fifth choice lock in this aw Blacks environment and

(04:21):
sometimes not even in the starting blocking role for the Chiefs.
But it could well be coming of age performance for
both of them, but especially Josh Lord today he picked
off a lot of the Irish ball. He was forced
to play big minutes that he was and expecting and
I thought it was an excellent performance from someone like
Josh Lord, who you know you mentioned those players out.
It certainly just adds to the depth of what the

(04:43):
All Blacks have got at.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
Lock in terms of that position.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
As there was the sound effects, there are the fireworks
going off as they lift the trophy of the Gallagher
Cup which was on the line in this game.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
All right, just a couple more, I know you need
to get to post match responsibilities, less to fighting anuku
coming off the bench earlier than expected into midfield with
Jordi Barrett's injury. Thought he added quite a bit Elliot,
what did you make of it?

Speaker 6 (05:05):
Yeah, I was impressed by what he was able to do.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Set up the try that ended with Ardie Savia in
the right wing corner with a powerful running game, nice
clean pair of heels, and just seems to break the
advantage line more often than not when he has the
ball in hand. Intends to just glide through with his power,
but also his easy carrying, so it's kind of deceptive
in a way, and he's a hard carrier, but he

(05:29):
also makes it look rather effortless.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
So I was very impressed by what he added.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I'm not sure that the All Blacks would look to
roll out of fighting a knooku and to ply a
combination every week, but from what he was able to
do coming in, you know, with little notice, similar to
Josh Lord and playing big minutes, I was very impressed
by what he added to the midfield. And it was
a game where they had to overcome those challenges Scott
Barrett going off and also Jordi Barrett going off. As

(05:56):
you mentioned, they had to reach jig things, but they
finished with you know, the wetsiale. Despite the fact that
some of those players have been out there for some
pretty heavy minutes.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
And without wanting to read the mind of the Irish camp,
what do you think their reaction will be to the
yellow card upgraded to red for tiger burn after just
two minutes.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
I think they'll be excuse me, quite frustrated by it,
and we're in commentary. Probably didn't think it was as
a redcard surprise it was upgraded to read on replay.
I think they'll be frustrated by that, and I think
they had good cause for argument that it was a
full pass and therefore that should mitigate out the red card.

(06:36):
So I think they'll be frustrated by it, and it's
a troubling one for Ireland because it's hard to get
those overturned at the judiciary. They've got Japan to calm,
they've got Australia as well in the coming weeks, and
another test to round out the calendar in that week
four of this block of test matches, so they could
face now being without tiger Burne, who is their premier

(06:58):
lot for.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
The rest of this window.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
So they'll be frustrated, would be my anticipation of that,
and having to have him sit on this eyeline for
the rest of the game.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Fantastic callers always from you with Gregor Paul alongside Elliott.
Thanks indeed off to the postmatch I know you'll be
working a few more hours yet. We'll look forward to
all the reaction coming from the All Blacks camp. But
thanks for joining us after the final whistle. Pleasure Finy
Elliot Smith, rugby editor, match commentator live from Soldier Field
in Chicago, where a second half blitz has powered the

(07:28):
All Blacks to a twenty six thirteen win over Ireland.
They were down ten to seven at halftime, but three
tries in the last twenty minutes helped to start their
Grand Slam tour with an emphatic win. It has unfortunately
been at a bit of a cost, and mainly to
the Barrett brothers. Scott and Jordie both leaving the field

(07:50):
injured in the first half and Bowden Barrett received a
high shot in the second minute he played on, got
another very heavy tackle from Gary Ringrose in the second
but still managed to complete the eighty minutes. But yeah,
we to see about the injuries to Scott and Jordi
Barrett and what the future prospects for those two are

(08:13):
for the rest of the tour. We are here until
three o'clock. This is weekend sport. It normally starts at midday,
but with the rugby just having finished, we thought we'd
get underway early. Your chance to get your thoughts across.
We'll have all sorts of postmatch reaction a member of
the All Blacks coaching staff to join us in the

(08:33):
next little while. We'll also get an Irish few lots
of postmatch audio to play for you as well. But
it's your reaction I'm really interested in eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. The lines tend to fill up after midday,
so if you want to get your point across, now
might be the time to do it. Twenty past eleven
o eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you would
prefer to correspond by text, you can do that on

(08:57):
nine two nine two. Let's talk some rugby. What did
you see? What did you hear? And was that the
best twenty minutes that you have seen from a Scot
Robertson coached All Blacks side? For me, it was at
the sixty minute mark I must confess I wondered whether
they would have the wherewithal to come back. But it's

(09:18):
the All Blacks that we used to adore the All
Blacks that came over the top of teams in the
last twenty minutes and then ran away with games at
the end a thirteen point winning margin, having been down
by six with the hour ticking across. Oh eight, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. It's going

(09:39):
to go in early. Hello, Henry, Hey.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
Jesse, Now you man very good Henry, Yeah, yeah, it's
good now, good water victory.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Oh terrific. I look, I it was a funny old
game and we'll unpack it over the next few hours
or so. But the last twenty minutes that's that's the
lasting impression of that game is just the way that
the All Blacks played from minutes sixty onwards.

Speaker 8 (10:02):
For me, Henry, yeah, yeah, And you know you need
some great performance, you know, Fabian Holland, and.

Speaker 9 (10:08):
So I need to.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
But you know, Jason, see I think cam Royguard is
the glue of that teammate.

Speaker 10 (10:15):
He you know, he just does things that you know,
like Dan Carter or Richie.

Speaker 11 (10:20):
McCall would do.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Generational player Henry for me and you know the best
but about it, they've worked it out and they're not
taking him off where they sometimes take half backs off.
Almost as a matter of course, at around the sixty
minute mark, came Roy, guard's an eighty minute player for me,
And yes, I know you've got to you know, listen
to the the you know, the the GPS and say, okay,

(10:42):
we's had his minutes or whatever. But look at they're
taking came Roy got off. He wouldn't have gone over
trying the seventy seventh minute, whatever it was. The guy's
got an unbelievable engine and an ability deep into games
to impact games. Henry, I think you've picked up on
a really good point. They mate. I think he is.
He is fast becoming the glue in this side.

Speaker 12 (11:01):
It is and I think you know I thing you think.

Speaker 11 (11:05):
I think it's going to be very you have for
Bully Proctors.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Get there, Yeah, Henry. The only thing that might play
in Billy's favor is whether or not Jordy Barrett has
a serious injury or not. I know Billy is a thirteen,
not a twelve, but quintu Pie are very very capable
in the second five Jersey so who knows made it
could be a Quintupia Billy Proctor midfield. Lester Fating on

(11:29):
Nuku I think was very good when he came on today,
so maybe he gets a run from the start and
the thirteen jumper. Good to have options though, made. Isn't
it good to hear from you? Henry eleven twenty three,
Jamie Chris please, ol'd got to get a breakaway one
spear line there? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 4 (11:53):
They'd be we got pit the groot in the middle
of the park, put numbers on the right hand touch
one side, Aisapia on the right wing corner.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Begs the try for the orslas.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, the first of four tries for the All Blacks today,
that one in the first half from Ardie Savia taking
your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 13 (12:11):
Hi, Jamie, great pointy, how are you going very good?

Speaker 14 (12:14):
Jamie?

Speaker 13 (12:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that first degree. That first half was
a real pain for watch, I guess in even the
first fifteen twenty minutes in the second half, but I think, yeah,
just a good guess, a positive to take out of
it was, you know, just that just the bench was
previously a weakness of this team. But now it's sort

(12:37):
of like starting to you know, starting to get a
bit better. You know, we're starting to finishing games stronger.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
I think also, Jamie, the fact that a couple of
the guys on the bench, Leicesterfying a Knooku and Josh
Lord had to come on well before they would have
expected to under normal circumstances because of the injuries to
Scott Barrett and Jordi Barrett. And I think you know,
Josh Lord, he's hardly played for the All Blacks. That
was only your second Test of the year. He came
off the bench in one A series against Argentina. I
think a lot of people thought Sam Dowry might get

(13:06):
the nod for that lock and cover. I thought he
was really good Josh Lord with Arbi and Holland, I mean,
he just he looks like he looks like an eighty
ninety Test All Black to me.

Speaker 13 (13:14):
Holland, Yeah, definitely, and could agree with the yeah, yeah
he will be.

Speaker 12 (13:21):
Yeah, you'd be, he would be, but yeah.

Speaker 13 (13:23):
Getting quick about the ninety one hundred, Yes, let's make
I reckon. And also that the camera regard, you know,
just to agree with that previous coreter. I think it's
just like one of those once in a generation players. Yeah,
it could be Timmy finishes, you know, it could be
like you're definitely an all time grade or something ain't

(13:45):
with the loss of Dan Carter and all that.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, Jamie, how concerned you? Reckon? We should be about
the first hour or the first sixty five minutes up
until to mighty Williams scored that try that that took
the All Backs ahead because I was kind of like
pacing a little bit. I was thinking, Man, I can
see where this is going. Ireland was squeezing us. They
do it very well. There are six nations. They tend
to drunk it up and trunk it up and force

(14:08):
eras will discipline, kick their pen, release that sort of thing.
It'll be a work on obviously for the All Blacks.
But do you think it's something they need to be
concerned about?

Speaker 9 (14:17):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (14:17):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 16 (14:18):
I mean.

Speaker 13 (14:20):
They're just like loads of eras on both sides obviously,
and obviously that with some of the stoppagers.

Speaker 17 (14:27):
The probably the the rest and let.

Speaker 18 (14:30):
The game go and all that.

Speaker 13 (14:31):
But yeah, I mean, yes, yes, definitely definitely consider we'd
definitely like to see a bit more from the All
Blacks rather than just yeah, the odd happened now here
and there, and it's being prevalent throughout obviously mass Way.

Speaker 19 (14:48):
And so far.

Speaker 13 (14:49):
You know, we put together some good minutes of Rabbia times,
but then we can be pretty average. So so yeah,
I mean I think that's for the Hopefully they'll improve
that over the next three weeks.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, indeed, Jamie, good point, mate. And look, I don't
think the All Blacks will let the last twenty minutes
pap over what happened in the first sixty. You know,
they'll freely admit, you know, what's seven points in an hour.
That's not something that they'll be happy with at all,
So you know they'll be addressing it. They will be.
I'm sure delighted with what happened after the sixty minute

(15:22):
mark and the fact that they were able to run
over the top of an Irish side, which to me
looked a little underdone, I have to say, And we
spoke about this on the show yesterday. Justin Marshall know
made the point that they haven't played together the top
Irish side since March, so there's always going to be
a bit of disconnect when you come back together. The
flip side of that is there's also an energy and

(15:43):
an enthusiasm and a freshness when you haven't played for
a while. But it just looked to me as though
they ran out of gas in the last twenty or
maybe that was the All Blacks just running over the
top of them like the great All Black Sides used
to do. Thanks Jamie today, Chris.

Speaker 20 (15:59):
Yeah, mate, you are bothering on what I was going
to suggest, which was the first sixty odd minutes of
the test. We were absorbing quite a lot and it
was a Titan battle and the game was still close,
and like you just said, you know, we pushed them
and then all of a sudden, you know, we just

(16:19):
bring into action. That was probably one of my favorite
tests of Watch this year out of out of all
of them, because there was a time in this game
where I was going, you know, this is looking a
little bit rocky. The guys just stay calm and they delivered.
And what her previous callers have said, the bench had
its value and that's what we really really want to

(16:40):
see going forward.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Oh absolutely, And that's the reason players are picked on
the bench, isn't it, you know, without without stating the
obvious too much, is you want them to impact the
game when they come on, and more often than not
just the second half. His injuries happen and players have
to come on. And like I said, I think Josh
Lord did a great job off the bench, and leicsterfying
onk I think took us chance when he came on
in the centers as well. But guys, like I thought

(17:02):
Satiti was terrific when he came off the bench to
Mighty Williams. Goodness me, he adds so much to scrums
in the back end of matches. So yeah, like I say,
we've talked a lot with sort of misty eyes about
the way the All Blacks used to beat teams from
the hour mark on woods. And we've got another demonstration
this morning which I did very.

Speaker 20 (17:22):
Much enjoy absolutely. And yeah, I'll even chock in Daman mackenzie,
not a favorite of mine over years, but he just
you know, he's a sneaky little fella and value as well.
So as all these guys the falling into place. I
can see this team from where it was a year

(17:42):
ago to where it is now much better.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Well, That's all we can ask for, Chris is improvement. Development.
You know, here we are now, we're approaching the midway
point of the World Cup cycle. You know, in two
years from now, I think the World Cup Final will
have been played. So in two years from now, hopefully
we're talking about an all black side that over that
four year cycle has showed constant improvement and is able to,

(18:05):
you know, to continue to develop. And look, while we
can talk about the sixty minutes, yes we can, and
we should. We shouldn't ignore what happened between minute nought
and sixty. But then you say to yourself, okay, well,
we did have to soak up a lot of pressure
from Ireland. We gave away a couple of silly penalties
in and around the sort of the forty eight to
fifty minute mark, and the Irish kicked one of them

(18:28):
and missed another. But there was just that little shred
of doubt when that happened. I thought, are we going
to succumb to these, you know, to the tactics that
we expect from Ireland and from all the Six Nations teams.
They truck it up, They soak up, you know, all
the defense that you can throw at them. They cause frustration,
they build pressure, ill discipline happens, or they can you know,

(18:51):
make good territory and you know, but you probably have
to give it, well you do. You have to give
it to the All Blacks. They soaked up a lot
of that pressure. They soaked up a lot of it.
Let's not let's not let the last twenty minutes paper
over what happened in the first sixty. The first sixty
wasn't a disaster. But there'll be work ons in there,

(19:13):
and be interested to hear what they are when we
chat to a member of the coaching staff. But let's
appreciate the last twenty minutes. Surely we have to. We're
shown on the last twenty says this text, plenty of
work to do around silly mistakes in the first hour.
Gile Piney says this one definitely not the best twenty
minutes of rugby by the All Blacks under Scott Robertson.

(19:35):
It was betted by any twenty minute period at Eden
Park against South Africa. I expected a high tempo, cohesive
performance and I was disappointed with what I saw. Yes,
we were slow down at the breakdown by the Irish defense.
I predict this will be the norm for the next
three games. We need to solve it. Cam Roygard was
slow at clar and Rucks and didn't want to test
the defense until late in the match. Not as natural game.

(19:56):
Yes I'll win. This text goes on to say from aiden,
but not the next step I expected by the All
Blacks following a high quality rugby championship. Not sure I'll
be getting up for the next three games. I will
be aided, I will be and I reckon, you will be.
I reckon, you'll be up. And about Alex cimemate.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
Oh you get a Jason, Yes, definitely pretty exciting last
twenty a as you've had to be all Lex supporter again.
This half was pretty frustrating. So sometimes think about, you know,
with his for American people going to watch the game
the first first time, you know, and if they're sort

(20:38):
of sitting in the stadium going it's going on. But yeah,
just a couple of.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Points, Alex, just before you make those points, just before
you make those points, you make a very valid point
just there because it took twenty minutes to get to
the eleventh minute of the game, you know, I know,
and ye for some reason for some reason the big
screen wasn't working for the TMO replays, but there were
stoppages and even when they you know, and I know
the big screen issue was part of this, but it

(21:06):
to them about five or six minutes to work out
that there was a red a yellow card for tiger Burn,
and then there was an injury break and all that
sort of thing. But you're right. If you turned up
for the first time and you'd been sold this exciting
rugby union and after twenty minutes you look up at
the clock and thought, we've only had eleven minutes and
I haven't seen much, you'd be wondering, wouldn't you. You

(21:26):
would be wondering. It must be it's a it's a
hard sell to a new fan anyway, go on, Well
you have.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
To know, I mean, I guess they used to have
a lot of stoppages in that American football, but yeah,
it's it's sort of you know, that yellow card it was, well,
it was clever Gaster.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That upgraded to a red.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
Imagine the Irish feeling pretty pretty hard done by there,
But but they weathered that pretty well away.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I know what, I don't know what tig Burn is
supposed to do in that situation, Alex, what is he
supposed to do? Yeah, Boaden Barrett doesn't even expect to
get the ball for starters. I know that it's not
tig Burn's issue, but Barret's got the ball and go, oh,
I've got the ball, and then you just look, there's
literally a split second before he runs into Tiger Burne.
And I know people say he should wrap his arms,
he should be lower. He's got a split second to

(22:15):
do that. I'd defy anyone to do that.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
It's your human you're human reaction. You know, the first
thing you're going to do is given, given that amount
of time, brace yourself, I guess, and if you're upright,
there's nothing nothing you can do. But it's yeah, pretty rough.
But fortunately fell on out side today. But yeah, the
other thing, i'd obviously it was awesome real So I

(22:38):
mean that only only sort of thing I get nervous
about when they when they go to America, and I
know where they go there. You know, got the World
carp and it's obviously trying to promote the game there,
but just the astroturfe, we always see a couple of
pretty severe injuries when they're playing on it.

Speaker 14 (22:52):
And I don't know.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
Extra turf is used around the world a lot more,
but I guess it's just not the same questioning you
get on the grass.

Speaker 17 (22:59):
I think it was that was there?

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Iris stand that Nathan Harris that is knee or something
real bad. And the last time we were there, I
know there was a couple of pretty bad ones. But
hopefully hopefully Jeordie pulls up all right, And who's the
other one. I don't think his brother's injury was due
to due to the AstroTurf as such, but yeah, so
maybe there's just the one.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
That But any thoughts on that it's that AstroTurf.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I thought it was grass?

Speaker 7 (23:24):
Oh maybe it is. Maybe I just assumed. Yeah, I
think I'm pretty layer of grass, don't they?

Speaker 21 (23:32):
All right?

Speaker 22 (23:33):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, it didn't look like it didn't look like grass.
It didn't look like grass as we're used to it, Alex,
I can see, you know, And it was looked a
little bit patchy and that I thought it was a
bit patchy. But no, well I'll check that out. We'll
get absolute confirmation. But the other thing, the other thing
about the other thing about American Yeah, I think about
American grounds. Is there narrow in the end goal here
is only about a meter.

Speaker 23 (23:53):
Did you see that?

Speaker 3 (23:54):
The end goals are so small?

Speaker 7 (23:57):
But when you saw footage of the reserves standing there,
there was actually another there's not a five meters there.
They could have like made into a scene. I just
you know, there's only fair far they want to go.
But yeah, yeah, anyway, No, it was a very exciting game,
and looking forward to the rest of the all the
players stood up. There's no one who had a bad
game but one one guy I'll mentioned, and he's not
a favorite player of one, but I thought the group

(24:20):
actually played pretty well, held on to the ball and
hit some good runs. But all the handling that first
try of Ardies, you know, all the all the boards
out there putting it through the hands. So it's really
cool to see when they when they do that, when
they you know, keep it in play like that and
take the opportunities and yeah sluster.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Occasionally, yeah, good man, Alex a good points, well made mate.
Will check out the soldier field situation. It didn't look
like astro turf in the in the you know, typical
you say, well that's plastic grass. Sense it may have
been a little bit of a hybrid. We'll check it out.
Good to chat to you mate. Twenty two away from midday.
Calls mounting up, but let's get them on. I eight
hundred and eighty ten arighty back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
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Speaker 3 (25:06):
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postmatch thoughts. The immediate postmatch thoughts of All Black's head
coach Scott robertson.

Speaker 24 (25:16):
It's got a massive congratulations and we're in against the
side like Ireland will always be saved, I'm sure, but
this must be like a pretty special victory all things considered.
A funny for your thoughts right now?

Speaker 25 (25:27):
Yeah, this special. You know, we've fought it way back
into it. The first first half felt like an indiofl game,
didn't it. There was so many stoppagers and we just
couldn't get any flow. And you know, young crew came
on and just kept playing and playing, feelis, so it
was great to see us execute.

Speaker 24 (25:42):
Let's go back to the first half because obviously tying
going off for Ireland. So but you can quite get
the one, you know, the extra man advantage to count.

Speaker 25 (25:51):
Why was that I got into the twenty two or
four times in teen the ball over straight away, gave
it vict to them, took pressure off them, and they
won a lot of the aerial game and it was
so stop start. We just couldn't get fatigue in the game.
And when we did the second half we played and
I just so pleased that the boys trusted themselves and no.

Speaker 24 (26:10):
Panics at the break though, because there was no thing
matching it in terms of stats and on the metrics.

Speaker 22 (26:14):
It was pretty close denial game.

Speaker 25 (26:16):
You know, they just went forward momentum kicked and we
won a few then lost probably a few more than
we have liked, and no publish and we knew if
you get there the game and we did a hell
of a spectacle. Great to see seven kiwis and and
Irish here.

Speaker 22 (26:29):
It's a special stadium.

Speaker 24 (26:31):
Yeah, you certainly let list to that second half as well.
I know you beat this Irish cite in Dublin last autumn.
For you personally, would this be maybe a biggest scalp
to date?

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Would you say, oh, that's the.

Speaker 22 (26:44):
Cool, there's just so many tough every every week. It
just keeps on giving to it. Forty.

Speaker 25 (26:49):
You want to win every game obviously, and some are
bigger than others.

Speaker 22 (26:53):
But I couldn't check it out just yet.

Speaker 24 (26:55):
Okay, we'll say that that. And finally, you know, I
know as a squad you've been tested over the last
couple of months. You've made changes, you brought in new
faces and so maybe questioning there, you guys still got
that black fear back there. So what does this win overside?
Like Ireland tell us about this team of yours. We're
two years out from.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
A World Cup.

Speaker 25 (27:14):
Well, the most tess kIPS that left the Orbits ever
after twenty two three World Cup, so there's always going
to be a period of time we guys.

Speaker 22 (27:22):
Need to keid opportunities you create.

Speaker 25 (27:26):
You create them by bringing all the young guys shrew
and in them when they're really and.

Speaker 22 (27:30):
That's what a place. All the guys been ready for
that moment.

Speaker 25 (27:33):
Singing halves have been good for us and we actually
chuck off in and this just shows that the growth in.

Speaker 24 (27:38):
The group and Joe Tonight's got well done.

Speaker 22 (27:40):
Thanks alle chies.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Let us ask Scott Robertson, I think they're jumping on
the plane straight away. I don't thin they're staying the
night in Chicago. Thanks for holding market.

Speaker 26 (27:46):
I mate, hey, Pani, you're on the riffing. I think
that riffing at the top level is too inconsistent, and
I think the top teams need the best referees in
the world.

Speaker 14 (27:56):
To riff them.

Speaker 26 (27:56):
Not give us, not this use this argument of giving
these riffs experience. I think they get a bit bewildered by,
like the difference in the way things are ruled. Sick
the James Lowe. You've got to give this guy credit.
I mean, I know the Africans will probably think that
Colby's been the best singer, but I think James low
has probably been the best swinger in recent times. He's

(28:16):
a complete player. He just does everything so well, you know,
even if even his kicking game today was just fantastic,
and the decision making is true too.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
And he's thirty three, Mark, He's thirty three years old,
James low I mean, we normally get rid of wingers
at twenty seven, though.

Speaker 26 (28:35):
I just think he's played so well. I mean, I
remember you down the sideline that Irish game when Wellington
they won and I mean he was fabulous then and
it's just as good now. I think he's one of
the most consistent players in the.

Speaker 14 (28:46):
World at the moment.

Speaker 26 (28:47):
To be honest, he won thirty three and my last point,
he so there.

Speaker 27 (28:51):
I think for the next.

Speaker 26 (28:52):
World Cup he needs to be the captain. I think
it would be great to have a you know, might
be a little bit one eye because I'm a Hurricane support,
but I'd love to see him as the captain, and
I think he's growing into the role and to have
the inspiration type player as well as captain. I think
he'd be a player almost like a cross between Richie
McCaw and Kalisi, and I think that the extra ex

(29:16):
factor that he brings to the games as and he's
really grown as the captain when he is kept, and
I think he really performs well. Some players, you know,
when kept and don't play as well, but I think
it almost inspires them, and I think he inspires the team,
and I think that would be a great move. I
don't think it's going to happen, but i'd like I'd

(29:37):
really like to see it.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
To be honest, I don't think you can be accused
of Hurricanes buyers Market doesn't even play for us anymore,
does he?

Speaker 22 (29:43):
He's hurricane.

Speaker 26 (29:47):
I consider Boat and Bury a hurricane still pining.

Speaker 18 (29:51):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Mark, good on you mate, thanks for calling it as always.
Eighty ten eighty Carlton, hold their mate with you after
the break. It's fourteen away from midday.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
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Speaker 28 (30:15):
No problems, an interesting game this morning. We need a
bottle that last twenty minutes and then play that formula
for the full eighty because there was less kicking in
that game and when the All Black started breaking out
and instead of kicking it away, they actually had good
flow going and the passing games from cam Wigard passed

(30:36):
from the Taylor Clark need to play more like that
because it was left kicking and they just need to
bag themselves.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Do you think they were doing it later on because
they sensed in Ireland some fatigue that they could capitalize
on that that wasn't necessarily there earlier on.

Speaker 28 (30:54):
Well, on the first half we didn't have much bought
to use to get that flow going. It was more
Irish born the first half. But once we started getting anton,
that's when it started kicking off yet and it started
just getting the breaks into the lines.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yes, yeah, like I think we'd all love to see
them play for eighty minutes like they did in the
last twenty. And look, I'm not not negating the point,
but you know, it is a game that tends to
open up in the end, you know when players get
a bit tired. Of course, Ireland played what twenty minutes
with fourteen men, you know once once the red card

(31:31):
was confirmed for Tiger Burne. Thank goodness they've changed that
role and you can bring somebody on after twenty minutes,
so they're not playing for seventy eight minutes with fourteen
men or whatever it might have been. So look, Cartin,
I think there are green shoots there, some promise, and
like you, if I can see more of what we
saw in the last twenty across an eighty minute performance,
I'll be delighted. Good man. Thanks for calling in, Piney.

(31:54):
You and your callers need to remember we've only been
a fourteen man team. Of course they were naked at
the end. Yeah, Dave. They had fourteen men for twenty minutes,
not the whole game. So let's remember that great win, Pinty.
But during the refereeing Debarkle in the first half, says
Jamie my Son asked me what time the kiwis played
Tonga and left the room. No wonder kids are finding

(32:14):
it hard to watch. It's hard nothing else to understand
the rules. Good point, Jamie, Yell. Look, there's got to
be a better way, right, there has to be a
better way than what we saw. After the collision between
tiger Burn and Bowden Barrett, which led to the yellow
card for tiger Burn, the play was stopped for what five, six,

(32:38):
seven minutes. I know some of it's beyond rugby's control.
I know that the big screen had issues, so the
referee couldn't watch on the big screen, as would normally
be the protocol. But even so, it just seems to
take an interminably long time to get these things squared away.

(32:59):
Compare it to rugby league, and I don't like to
make the comparison in terms of the way the two
games flow, but in Rugby League. In a situation like that,
it has very quickly dealt with. You're on report. You
know it's the cross of the arms. You're on report.
We'll sort it out afterwards. We're not going to stop
the spectacle here. We will sort it out afterwards. Nine
away from midday news talks. There'll be back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
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Speaker 3 (33:33):
A half away from midday weekend. Sport continues after midday,
of course, it's always on at that time. Jason Holland,
assistant coach of the All Black's going to join us
after midday with his review of the game. Many more
of your calls as well. After one o'clock we'll get
an Irish view from highly regarded journalist and broadcaster out
of Ireland Murray Kinseller. Lots of your calls as well
to get on the radio. Fabian Holland was named man

(33:56):
of the match. He spoke after the match the.

Speaker 24 (33:59):
Fabian revenge has been served. It was a tough day
for New Zealand rugby here nine years ago. To sum
up the elation for me if you can.

Speaker 29 (34:07):
Yeah, massive game for us, Thank you for everyone coming out.
Means the world to us. Yeah, creator Ireland's absolute quality
side m Yeah, just stuck together win, Credator. The boys
also many had to stuck together win.

Speaker 24 (34:24):
I know a lot of you were part of the
squad obviously that lost in twenty sixteen. But how big
a driving force was the pain that they said for
that day to day Yeah.

Speaker 29 (34:32):
Massive, massive renew that that kind of was to start
for our Irish rugby and you know, we just wanted
to make a statement and started this tour and hopefully
we were able to do that. And we just talked
about all week about picking each other up and being
there for each other and that's what we did.

Speaker 24 (34:52):
At the first half. Laft a little bit of cohesion, No,
a little bit of accuracy at times.

Speaker 29 (34:56):
Why was that I guess with like skipped going off
and and then Toorady, you know, teammate the getter around.
We had to adjust and and the boys had just
said beautifully So yeah, once again credit to the boys
did an awesome job.

Speaker 22 (35:12):
Team efforts.

Speaker 24 (35:12):
Second half was much better than right. So you found
a bit of space out there in that second forty.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
What was the message of.

Speaker 23 (35:17):
The break.

Speaker 29 (35:19):
Just keep playing All Black rugby, which is just throwing
the ball around, having a crack, being relentless on defense.

Speaker 22 (35:27):
So that's all we just wanted to do. We just
wanted to back each other up and beat there for
each other.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
That is Fabian Holland named Player of the match after
the game, his tenth Test of the year. He's played
in every Test eight from the start to off the
bench for a bloke in his first All Black season
has been quite the impact for Fabian Holland and as
mentioned earlier this hour when Josh Lord came on to
the field as well to replace Scott Barrett in the
first half after he went off injured. You know, that's

(35:54):
a very very green locking pair for the All Blacks.
I can't remember a time when we would have had
as inexperienced a locking pair for as long in a
Test match as this morning. And yet Fabin Holland and
Josh Lord I think did a really good job in
the second row. I thought Wallace a Titi had a

(36:14):
very good impact today too. I think he's just struggled
to reach the heights. Hasn't he of last year when
he just hit with such a bang. He was just
absolutely superb last year Wallace aer Titi and of course
earned the accolades from that. Hasn't quite got that back
this year and had to recover from injury, of course.

(36:35):
But I wonder whether there's a scenario under which our
starting loose trio is Wallace to Titi, Ardie Savia and
Peter Larkey and Larky speaking of an experienced All Blacks
thought it had another strong game, so tt Savia, Larkey,
I like Simon Parker, big body contributes well, but I

(36:58):
just wonder about that as a loose forward combination. Three
minutes away from midday, we're going to take our news
at twelve and then come back with that's more out
of the All Blacks Island game. Jason Holland, assistant coach
of the All Blacks, gonna join us straight after midday.
Plenty of time for your calls as well. Join us
for weekend sport after the midday news, which is coming

(37:18):
up next.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
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Speaker 2 (37:34):
Had been.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Welcome into the weekend Sport. Well, we've been here for
an hour since the finish of the game in Chicago,
and we've already opened up discussion on a number of issues.
Lines open all afternoon of eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty All Blacks twenty six Island thirteen.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
The All Blacks monster the Irish in the final twenty
twenty six thirteen, three final quarter tries and the All
Blacks winner by thirteen at Soldier Field.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yes, they do three straight Test wins over Ireland for
the first time since twenty thirteen. Let's get you to Chicago.
All Black's assistant coach, Jason Holland is standing by. Jason,
Thanks for taking our call. How pleasing to start the
Grand Slam Tour with victory over Ireland in Chicago.

Speaker 30 (38:25):
Afternoon, Ponty, Yeah, obviously delighted with the result. You know,
it's been a pretty pretty awesome occasion here in Chicago,
and to get the results and to you know, get
our game going in the last half an hour was
really satisfying. So it's good to get over the line.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
What were the things that worked so well in the
last let's say, the last twenty minutes, from the time
that to Mighty Williams scored that try till the end
of the game where you were still looking to score
another one after the whistle. What did you see that
was so effective and so impressive in that last twenty minutes.

Speaker 30 (38:55):
Oh, I think the stuff that was missing in the
first half, you know around our skill sets really just
simple things. Your simple parts of the game are and
carry and and you know some of our skills are
in catch pass. You know, we turn the ball over
in that first half a lot, and we're able to
build pressure and the game was slow because of it.
And then the last half an hour we becked ourselves
and pulled trigger and then you know, nailed all our

(39:17):
little catch pass stuff. So you know, whenever you hold
onto the boy, you're going to put teams under pressure.
I think we've talked about it before, pointing when we
have or haven't done it. So you know, some really
encouraging signs in the attack and that last half an hour.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Do you make these points to the players at halftime
or are they well aware of what they need to do.

Speaker 30 (39:35):
Oh, if we need to you talk around skill sets
are in our concentration levels, but the mainly around you know,
instilling confidence to play and to keep playing and to
now little things like you know, we're a little bit
flat on the edges and in us giving a little
simple message around holding our feet a little bit then
helped skill sets. So boys are all over it. Boys
know know a lot of the things that they need

(39:56):
to do to adjust. And yeah, as I say that,
it really well.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
In the in the second half, Ireland are very good
as the six nation sides typically are at at squeezing
app ying pressure sort of you know, trucking it up,
going up the gaps that sort of thing. What is
the best way to combat that without falling into in
discipline and frustration.

Speaker 9 (40:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (40:15):
Look, they also rely heavily on that contestable kicking game,
don't they, And you know that it was a good
battle in the air and they won a few and
we want a few. But I think you've got to
make sure you don't give them those opportunities to win
back their own kicks and play against unstructured defense.

Speaker 19 (40:30):
But you've got to back yourself.

Speaker 30 (40:32):
You've got to back yourself to hold onto the ball
and make the mate tackles, make them infringe, and then
you can play and we find space after multiple phases.
So just a bit of confidence and a bit of
making sure that concentrate on what we want the all
Blecks to do well around our basic skills.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Did you feel as though you were starting to get
the upper hand when they stopped sort of that route
one staff tried to be a bit more creative, tried
to be a bit more expansive. Do you feel like
you're winning that battle when that happens.

Speaker 19 (41:00):
Yeah, And I think we get in the balance.

Speaker 30 (41:01):
Well, you know, we had some you know, with some
guys who carried the ball and got them behind really
well tonight. Obviously, you know, like obviously you know in
the midfield, you know, Quinn and Lester got us going
forward a lot of the time, and Caleb and then
our Lucy's and carried.

Speaker 19 (41:15):
Really well, which meant that you can go wide.

Speaker 30 (41:16):
So we're just got to keep in stilling the confidence
to back ourselves and hold onto the ball, and you
can see what we can do when we do.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
And so that's just a bit of balance.

Speaker 30 (41:25):
Ponty, I reckon, but I think you can't take away
from the point that you get strong carriers which gets
you over again on that extra half a meter makes
a big difference. Be at it, then get to edges.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Can you update us it all on on the injuries
to Scott and Jordi.

Speaker 30 (41:39):
Barrett haven't had anything on Jordy's. He's wandering around but
obviously no more tomorrow. But Y Scott got a really
nasty cut. I'm sure how he got up, but it's
a really nasty cut with a big flap on it
on his knee. But I would think that there'll be
a good few stitches and that they'll probably either get
bandaged up or come out before next Saturday.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
The team that finished the game, if you look at
it caps wise, I don't know, these guys have played
a lot of rugby, but they were quite a young
guys out there, guys who haven't played a heck of
a lot of rugby for the All Blacks.

Speaker 28 (42:10):
Know.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
How impressed are you that they were able to, you know,
in that last twenty minutes do what needed to be
done and and you know, and take on that responsibility
that that perhaps they haven't had the experience to do
up until now.

Speaker 30 (42:23):
Yeah, it's a good observation, especially in the Ford's a.
There was a hell of a lot of you know,
guys with low caps in there. You know, you look
at fabes obviously who's who's been in and around for
the last for the last little bit. But Lordie coming
in I was outstanding. I thought when when Scoot went
off and then you look at the lousies, you know
with Simon, and then you bring on Wally and you

(42:44):
got Wally and Peat and Ards here. So that the
combination of of all the youngsters given lots of energy
and the Ards is in the and the Cody's given
it a bit of balance has been awesome. So yeah,
we did acknowledge that in the box around the young
the youngsters and that forward back especially.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
There seems to be a bit of a routine where
a halfback might play an hour sixty five minutes and
then has replaced. I know you you know, you keep
eyes on GPS numbers and things like that. But Cam
Rogad stayed on to what the seventy seven, seventy eighth
minute is that deliberate chase? Is it deliberate that you
look at a guy like Cam who continues to impact
the game deep and say, we just don't want to

(43:22):
take this bloke off.

Speaker 30 (43:24):
Ah, yep, I think that that's right. He's obviously we've
got full full confidence and tests to come on. But
Cam's is gone so good you leave mine? Like I think,
you know, the game decide, you know, helps you make
those decisions. The first half we felt was really slow.
It wasn't how we wanted to play, and with all
the all the stuff that was going on with the
TMO and the big screen and that the game was
a real stop start slow game. The boys and the

(43:46):
shed at halftime were you know, they're hardly blowing. So
that sort of helps you to if we see any
signs that Cam's slowing down, not getting to ruts quickly,
or starden to make a couple of errors, that might
trigger some decisions.

Speaker 19 (43:58):
But I think he was still going pretty strong the
whole way through.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
What was your view on the yellow card to Tiger
Burn that was then upgraded to it? Who are read.

Speaker 22 (44:08):
It's the rules?

Speaker 30 (44:09):
You know, I haven't had a really good look at it,
but just with a quick look, it looked like if
you don't lower your body height and you get get
the head contact, you're in danger. And so you just
got to avoid that you know, and I think just
looked like he was really upright, which is what you
need to avoid these days. So obviously not a not
a massive injury or anything, but it's just just the
way where the rules are out at the moment.

Speaker 19 (44:30):
I think.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
So in a defensive line like that, So your your
instruction to your guys defensively as to what is to
crouch basically is to is to lower your height even
before the attacking move begins from the other side, well
not not probably not that early.

Speaker 30 (44:46):
It's a skill to be able to come forward and
you know that they have really good feet to be
able to lower your body height quickly. That's the skill
you need to teach and need to learn, or in
the ability to get your feet under you and have
that ability to drop your height to get a shoulder
on as quick as possible. And sometimes it's difficult, you
don't know who's going to get the ball, but yeah,
that's the skill of it.

Speaker 19 (45:06):
You go, you just can't can't risk it these days?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
How important to get away to win on this Grand
Slam Tour, Jase, I mean, we're you know, I'm sure
you're you're deeply committed to four wins from these four games,
you've got one out of the way against potentially your
toughest opponent. Although England look pretty good against Australia this morning.
Not sure you've seen that game. But how important was
it to get away with a win like this to
get things kickstarted?

Speaker 30 (45:29):
Yeah, obviously really important when you first came out of
it away in the tour. You know, I think the
reality is every every single Test match is important as
the others. And but you know, as you say, coming
to Chicago, the Irish, with the history between the All
Blacks and the Irish, it's it's huge.

Speaker 19 (45:46):
So we're allowed to get the win.

Speaker 30 (45:48):
But I'm not sure how much of Scotland you've been
watching lately, but both Scotland England are gone pretty good.

Speaker 19 (45:54):
So we're going to have to keep getting better.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Why are you leaving?

Speaker 30 (46:01):
Look, mate, I'm just it's just time for something new
at the moment. But I'm sort of got to the
space now. We're loving, loving the prospect of the next
three or four weeks and we've had a really good
week and yeah, we'll see what We'll see what happens
at the end of at the end of the tour.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
So you but so in saying that, so you you
have are you willing to walk it back?

Speaker 17 (46:26):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Sorry?

Speaker 19 (46:26):
How do you mean by that, Bunny?

Speaker 22 (46:28):
I mean the.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Decision to leave. Can you can you walk back the
decision if the next three weeks go no no, no
no no no no no no.

Speaker 30 (46:36):
We've We've had chats myself and Ray had chats along
the way, and anyhow, I've just decided that it's yeah,
we'll go in a different direction, but we'll see what
happens are.

Speaker 19 (46:47):
We'll get through the next three weeks. Well, now that
and keep this Green Slam.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
One dawn, three to go. Jase, thanks for joining us, mate,
Always appreciate your time. All right, mate, see you later,
all the best, Bye bye, Jason Holland, Assistant coach of
the All Blacks. There your reaction to the game this morning.
There's a lot to unpack, a lot to unpack with
it the last twenty minutes. We've spoke about this before midday,
but understand that you know some people haven't joined us

(47:12):
until now. This is normally when we cand sport begins.
So if you would like to jump on with your thoughts,
I would greatly appreciate hearing them. A couple of observations
for me before we go to the lines. That last
twenty minutes was exactly what the All Blacks used to
do to teams, right. It was what we were famous for.
It is a hallmark of great All Black sides that

(47:34):
after the hour mark, the other team knew that that
was business time. As far as the All Blacks were concerned,
that was the time when they had the ability, the fitness,
the power, the precision, everything you need in the last
twenty minutes, the cool headedness in the heat of the

(47:55):
battle and in close matches to win matches, to win
test matches. Look, I don't have the stats in front
of me, but there must have been any number of
times when the All Blacks were in a tight tussle
as the clock ticked over an hour mark, and then
the All Blacks got to work, set to work. After

(48:17):
sixty two minutes. Today they were behind by thirteen points
to seven, thirteen points to seven. Ireland were applying pressure
that kicked a penalty to go thirteen seven ahead, and
it was the tap and go penalty that saw Wallace

(48:37):
to Titi go close and to Mighty William's score. That
was the turning point. Really, we're given a penalty. Very
rarely these days do you see a team tap and go.
But Wallace ATTETI did to Mighty Williams scored. Quite how
the referee saw it grounded, I don't know, but we
could only assume that he did. And then Wallace a
titi himself with the try. I didn't even actually see

(49:00):
Damien McKenzie come on, but there he was going through
a gap and feeding some on his inside, and then
came Roy Guard at the end, just putting a seal
on it. And great to see, great to see that
they just keep Cam roy Gut on. For me, he's
the kind of player who's he's an eighty minute half back.
And I know the Hurricanes have have worked along these

(49:23):
lines for a while that if Camera Guard's going well,
they just leave him on because there is a noticeable
drop off when he comes off. Nothing against the other
Hurricanes halfbacks and nothing against the other All Blacks halfbacks.
But came Roy Guard has opened up a gap between
himself and the rest and if you can get value

(49:43):
out of him, deep deep deep into matches, then you do,
don't you.

Speaker 22 (49:47):
I've eight one.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's go to the lines. Ian,
Hi mate, Hi.

Speaker 31 (49:52):
Jase here again, good Ian. I did hear one of
your previous callers just before midday about the referring situation. Now,
I know we've got a top tier of eight or
ten teams in the world, top sort of thing. Now,
in my view, we should have the same thing with referees.

(50:15):
Let's say top five for example. I don't care who
they referee or where they come from, but you put
them like today your Black's Island. I don't care who
it was, Angus Kat whoever, but the players deserve the
best in the fans deserve better. Apart from this shambles

(50:38):
this morning, you know, I'm just over this refeerrering dramma
just giving them a game against your Black's Island. I
think it was ruined by that personally, what.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Some decisions in particular, And because if we're talking about
the yellow cart up greater to red, that's not the referee.
That's the TMO on the side or the foul play
bloke up in the box who's making those calls.

Speaker 22 (51:01):
Yep.

Speaker 31 (51:02):
But what I'm talking to me out here, Jason, is
the referee selection. Like against first tier teams, top sort
of things get the best of the best, and as
I said, I don't care where they come from. You know,
the players deserve it, the fans deserve it. Get the
top five referees that are going around, so they get

(51:26):
selected for you know, these tops matches, top sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah, I hear you, and I mean we all appreciate
that you need to develop referees. I'm on your side
on this end. You're right, you know, for big test matches,
you know, the best referees should be in charge. And
that's how they do World Cups, isn't it. They work
their way through and the cream rises to the top
and quarter final, semi finals, finals are always refereed by
the blokes that you've just talked about, the top half

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a dozen guys in the world.

Speaker 31 (51:54):
Absolutely, and I think that's my personal opinion. I think
world rugby really has to look at this.

Speaker 22 (52:04):
Ian.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Thanks for your call, mate, oh eight hundred and eight.
I don't want this to be about officiating necessarily, but
the red card. Just before we go on, Aaron says, point,
are you going to analyze the game of rugby against
the fourteen man team? I turned the game off after
they lost the player, Aaron, they did get their player back.

(52:25):
It's a twenty minute red card. So they didn't play
seventy eight minutes against fourteen. They played sixty minutes against fourteen.
So I think we can probably analyze it as a contest.
But I understand the rule, right, I understand the rule,
and we all understand the rule. We've talked about it verbatim.

(52:45):
That's the wrong We've talked about it ad nauseum. That's
the right phrase. I got the wrong phrase. We've talked
about it ad nauseum. But there's no feel for the game.
What is Tiger Burns supposed to do in that situation?
Just talking to Jason Holland there, and when think when

(53:07):
you're so close to the base of a ruck and
you know that players are going to go on to
the attack, is that what you're supposed to do? Crouch down?
Or as Jason said, is it a skill to be
able to crouch or lower yourself as the ball carrier
is coming towards you. It is probably and an open play.

(53:27):
I totally get it. But in a situation like that,
Tiger burn has a split second to make that decision
or to do or to complete that action, not make
the decision well he comes bone and barrels. I better
get my body height down. How on earth is he
supposed to make that, you know, make that judgment that quickly?

(53:47):
Bona Marr spaces run into him. He's just run into him. Uh,
no feel for the game. And they everybody looked astonished
when I mean, are the yellow cart? Okay, yellow cart?
But when it was upgraded to red? Where is the
high degree of danger? Really? There isn't that what we're

(54:08):
supposed to have for red cards? A high degree of danger?
Twelve twenty four oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Hi Joe.

Speaker 11 (54:19):
Yeah again, Bonnie, Yeah, look, there's no way that was
a red card, mate, Look in the letters to the law. Yes,
he didn't. He didn't wrap his arms around, so he
used his shoulders or he just he just what's the
name himself faced himself and okay, you can you turn
around and go Well, he didn't use his arms and
it was sort of like shoulders. So that's a yellow card.

(54:43):
Or I thought it was a penaly that's about all
Boat and Barrett didn't go off bone. Barrett wasn't knocked out,
he didn't go off. There's no way in the world
that's a red card. And I'm a I'm a new filmer,
not a you know. I mean, you know, he didn't,
let's be fair, that's that was just ridiculous. The yellow
card possibly at the most. I looked at it and

(55:03):
I went, oh, I'm not get it. Yellow only because
he didn't break. He braced and didn't put his arms
around the guy. So he wasn't making attack of he
just he braced and it was accidental. The All Blacks
was very clunky for the first sixty minutes in the
back and I thought, once again, but in the last
twenty they did show when they hang on to the
football and I've been saying this for a wawfully when

(55:24):
they hang on to the football and we run the
ball in the last twenty. He did right in the
last twenty. For the last ten years or before this,
So the last seven years we were a side that
would run teams off their feet in the last twenty
and win games. And that's what we haven't been doing.
Now we start well today we started to do it.

(55:46):
But don't get me wrong, and no disrespect to the Irish,
but they're aside on the way down. I don't believe
they are a side on the way up. I think
they'll struggle against Australia and against South Africa and they
need to make some changes as well.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
And yeah, a lot very good ver Ry, sorry Jo,
just on that just before you move on from the
from the Irish point, they are badly in need of
regeneration that team. They are. There are some there are
some players there who I think if they stick with
through this World Cup cycle to the next one, it
will be to their detriment. They do to me look

(56:23):
like a side that needs a bit of regeneration anyway, sorry,
carry on our locks.

Speaker 11 (56:28):
Yeah, well, yeah, our locks are very good. You know,
young they came on. There's a lot of pressure on
the captain. You know, some people say shouldn't be captain
or whatever. At the end of the day that they're
going to stick with that so it's not going to change.
But I tell you what, there is pressure on him
now from those locks coming through and the young ones,
and that's that's a good thing. The more game time
they get, the Josh Lords and that and and what's on.

(56:51):
They got Player of the day, you know, they they
went really well and so did our our Lucy's, our Fords.
You know, I'm just a little bit concerned about the backs.
When we scored that Troy SETI scored that Troy Burden.
Barrick came from from ten meters back, you know what
I mean. And then he saw that he had more

(57:13):
time to see the guy coming up quick, so he
stepped and then he put McKenzie in the hole. And
I'll tell you what. McKenzie makes the massive difference when
he comes on. You know why, pony, because when he
gets the football, he will run it anything, anywhere, anytime,
and he creates habit in the opposition defense. So if
you're coaching, you're going this guy's coming on. God, he

(57:35):
could be anywhere anytime. He can bust them open at anytime.
A little bit if you don't get me, don't get
me wrong, but a little bit like Reece Walh just
just plays off the cuff. To tell you what, very
very dangerous when he comes on, and he makes a
massive difference every time he comes on at first five
or where you want to put him. And the last thing,

(57:57):
I just like to say, you don't have to take
guys of if you did right, you leave the half
back on, You leave him on for the full game.
You do not have to take him off. And Quentin too, Pie.
They need to keep to this back line that they've picked.
And Quentin Treo Pie is very very good over the
ball when he makes a tackle, so he'll make a
tackle and then straight up gets up over the ball

(58:19):
like another loose fort. He did it, did it there
and got us a penalty and got us on the
on the subpot. Very very very good.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Footbot, good stuff, Joe. You read my notes about Damien McKenzie.
I've written it down here. Damian McKenzie's best use is
off the bench, and you know it's not rocket science,
is it. But you're right. He comes on and opposition
players must go, what's what's he going to do? And
he's just got that ability late in games in particular
to find space, run and broke and play and as

(58:47):
he did this morning, set up Trice the one for Wallace. Satiti.
I think you're right about our locks too, Joe Fabi
and Holland Scott Barrett Patrick TWI Polotu to Paul Va,
Josh Lord, Sam Dowry. That's six straight away that we have.
I think Josh Lord will may well look back at

(59:08):
this morning's Test match as as a pivotal moment in
his All Black's career. He's been in and out of
the side, Josh Lord, with injury and unavailability, and I
don't think he's ever really delivered on his obvious promise.
But this morning, thrown in way way earlier than he
would have expected, he delivered a big performance. And that's

(59:33):
what That's what being an All Black is. Isn't it
taking chances, being excellent when you get out there? And
I thought he was Josh Lord twelve twenty nine, Peter Police,
hold with you right after this spear line has just
opened up. One hundred and eighty Back with more of
your calls on the All Blacks when we come back
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making his impact. Eight hundred and eighty ten. Eighty's our
number to jump aboard the conversation. Hello, Peter.

Speaker 17 (01:00:26):
Paroney, Uh, I just interested in your thoughts on Bowden Barrett.
He's you know, he's obviously an extremely skilled player, but
I think the coacher should tell him that he's not
allowed to kick. I mean, let him work his magic,
but but don't kick. I mean, what was up with
that kick in the last five or ten minutes where

(01:00:48):
he kicked the ball dead. I mean there's a perfect
opportunity for the All Blacks to score again and he
just kicked the thing away. I mean he's a professional
player and he's experienced, one of the most experienced, and
yet he can just steal a loose kick like that.
Is he lost focus? As he is he losing his
enthusiasm for the game. What's going on? And mister kick

(01:01:08):
it goal? I mean other players can kick for touch
after a penalty. They don't need him for that. And
the commentator did sa at one point when he kicked it.
Oh that's a bit of anameless kick. And you know
they are respected up with him. Got to back down
more willblecks. So I mean, I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I don't think he's lost his enthusiasm for the game.
I don't think that's what's happened. I don't see that
in him. I think he's had a mixed year. If
I'm honest, Peter, I think he's you know, he's he's
the I just think he's still the best choice at
number ten for the reasons I just talked about with
Damien McKenzie. I wonder what will happen next year when

(01:01:53):
Richie Mouwonga comes back. I think that is a real
seminal moment in the career of Boden Barrett. Next year,
when Richie Wonger comes back, clearly a favorite of Razor,
he's chased him very, very hard to get him back.
I wonder what Boden Barrett's role to play will be
next year and into twenty twenty seven. And having said that,

(01:02:15):
you'd want to make a good impression, wouldn't you. And
you know, as you say, Boden Barrett's a very experienced player.
But I think he has probably by his own admission,
had a mixed year in the ten jumper.

Speaker 17 (01:02:27):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I also don't get this idea
of kicking the ball away and you know that's it's
a fifty to fifty call, Well, for us, I think
it's probably seventy five twenty five and we're the twenty fives,
So what's the point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yeah, no, no, you're talking about the contestable cocks. Yes,
I mean the k Yeah, the kicks for territory are fine.
I'm cool with the kexs for territory better pushing, you know,
pushing teams back, making them play out from their own
twenty two. I'm as long as the kicking is accurate,
I'm totally cool with that. Yeah, the contestable kicks, especially
from the base of the right, I'm just completely over
those now. I must admit you're right. You're right, it's

(01:03:04):
not really fifty to fifty. I think actually today there wasn't.
There wasn't as much of it as there has been
this year. I didn't write it down today box kicking.
I didn't write it down on my notes, which is
perhaps a good thing. But yeah, no, I sort of
feel in situations like that you keep the ball in hand.
But yeah, in terms of kicking for territory, I'm okay
with them doing.

Speaker 17 (01:03:22):
That, you know, just working the ball and yeah, anyway,
enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Good on you, mate. I appreciate it. No, I appreciate
you calling, and Peter, thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 22 (01:03:33):
Dave.

Speaker 15 (01:03:33):
Hi, Oh good Jason. On my first time call, I
would normally just be happy to listen to the comments
and enjoy the entertainment, but I felt compelled to call
the foul play people. They just not got it right.
Something needs to change, otherwise they're going to lose a

(01:03:54):
lot of supporters of the game. I am a rugby
crazy guy. My ways, my head is a rugby ball.
I've always I've always thoughted the All Blacks every game
and incident where the Irishman got sent from the field

(01:04:14):
and I was almost about to turn the TV off,
and then when it was upgraded to red, I did
turn it off, went outside to do some gardening, and
I thought, I just can't, I just can't watch this
sort of stuff. It's it's the James. Game's gone mad
and the officials are gone mad, and it's driving people

(01:04:35):
away from watching.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
The game, especially someone like yourself, Dave, who was a
self confessed rugby head. If someone like you was being
driven away from the game, then think about how difficult
it is to convert new fans or just casual fans.
If someone like you, who are so deeply invested in
the game is going outside to do some gardening when

(01:04:57):
an All Blacks test is on, then that is a
red flag of the highest order.

Speaker 15 (01:05:02):
Absolutely. I mean the guy was, he was protect thing himself.
He had no time to react effectively. Bowden head butted
the guy on the shoulder, you know, and you know
from a forward pass, and I don't know what you're
supposed to do as a player, and then for that
to be turned into a red it's just blue, Chris,
That's what I've got to say.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
No, David, thank you for calling mate. A very good
debut from you on the radio. I expect to hear
much more from you in the in the months and
years ahead. Now you've got our enough. Please don't be please,
don't be a stranger. Thanks for calling in all the best, mate. Yes,
I think that passed you. I think Dave the past
was forward as well. Surely that's mitigation that Buden Barrett

(01:05:44):
got to Tiger Burn quicker than you would normally expect,
because at the very best it's flat. I think it's forward,
and I think they were arguing. Dan Sheehan was arguing
that point when it was upgraded. Surely that's mitigation. The
other part is where is the high degree of danger here?
How is Tiger Burne putting Bowden Barrett into a high

(01:06:05):
degree of peril? He's not, Zach Ki, mate, Hey, how
are you going good?

Speaker 22 (01:06:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 32 (01:06:14):
First time called as well. I just Devil's advocate on
the tackle. I didn't think it was a red at
all one of the rules.

Speaker 33 (01:06:22):
I think it is a yellow.

Speaker 32 (01:06:24):
But is it kind of could you kind of say,
because you know they're obviously playing blitz defense, it's just
the risks that they're taking because the defense is at
ready and they're going to be taking those kind of
risks about you know, putting that pressure on d that
they're not going to be read sometimes for those high tackles,
and that's kind of in the favor of the attacking
team if they're getting called this pressure on them and

(01:06:47):
they're playing against blitz defense. Do you think you know
that's just the risk of the Irish had to take
in Soafrica as well when they're playing that same game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Yeah, collateral damage in other words, Zach, yeah, I think
you bang on. I think you know, if you are
going to defend right up to the line and to
the letter of the law in terms of our side
and that sort of thing. Yeah, you have to expect
that in situations like this morning, that you might find
yourself in that situation. I still don't think it's a red, mate,
a yellow, yes, for the reasons of mitigation and the

(01:07:18):
threshold of a high degree of danger to the ball carrier.
I just don't see your red there.

Speaker 15 (01:07:23):
Man.

Speaker 32 (01:07:24):
No, I guess I'm probably arguing for people that are
saying it's not a yellow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah. No, No, I think it's a yellow. Yeah, I
think it's a yellow.

Speaker 22 (01:07:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Yes, Hey Zak, thanks for calling, mate, Thank you for
calling him. And yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that
I thought that it should just have been a penalty
or similar. I just can't see the upgrade. I mean,
of course you're going to be disappointed, but even the
look on Tiger Burn's face when he was told he
was sitting on the naughty chair waiting to go back

(01:07:53):
on and they came over and said, sorry, mate, your
game's up put it this way. If it hadn't been upgraded,
would our lines be flooded with howls of disappointment and
opposition to that? No is the answer, And I reckon
our audience, The weekend sport audience is a pretty good

(01:08:15):
gauge on things. There's a couple of outlies, but for
the most part, for the most part, sensible, cool headed thinkers.
I reckon. That's who we hope to attracked. Anyway, if
that hadn't been upgraded, we wouldn't even be talking about it.
We're saying, yeah, yellow, yeahs yellow. You know he's it's
a shouldered to head sort of contact. Yeah, we get it.

(01:08:36):
We might not agree with the rule, but we understand
that the rule is there. So yeah, yellow card. If
it hadn't been upgraded, you know, there wouldn't have been
opposition to that. It's not a red card. Nineteen away
from one John Carroll Police Holt spare line. There might
just have been taken up. A lot of people want
to chat, please, I keep trying to get through. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back in a moment.

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Speaker 14 (01:09:17):
By good good.

Speaker 9 (01:09:20):
I enjoyed the game. I didn't enjoy the first half,
but I enjoyed the game. But I read an article
that Richie mccare wrote yesterday and then then he said
that with the pmos coming in all the time and
sport the game, but he said it was done to
protect the referees, but they've got to do something different.
It was just, you know, that was ridiculous. Fifty five

(01:09:40):
minutes for a first half.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Oh, John, I totally agree. And I've seen a couple
of ironic comments saying that Americans love their stoppages. You
watch the game of NFL. Seems to stop all the time,
doesn't it. But you know, if you are trying to
convert someone across, it's a pretty hard sell. I don't know.
The screen wasn't working and that was a sort of
a mitigating factor, but it just you know, League League's
got it right, you know, put someone on report and

(01:10:03):
let's get on with it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:10:05):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
Yeah, And definitely I don't think it was a red
card penalty yellow probably was fair enough, but not a
red eye. I shot sorry for the body guy that
got the red.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Do you know the other thing, John, that's been pointed
out to me by a number of people is that
Boden didn't go off for an hia. If he's been
clocked in the head by the shoulder of a big
lock forward from the other side so hard that it's
a yellow upgraded to a red, then why didn't Bone
and Barrick go off for an hia.

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
He got clocked again later on and he was you know,
you could see was a bit and that wasn't anybody's fault.
It was just part of the game and you could
see he was a bit shot shell shopped then too
for a little for a few seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
That was actually a good tackle, I think. I think
on first look, I know it's the one, the Gary
Ringrose one on the second half. I think you're talking
about John at first lock I thought, at first look,
I thought that's he's off, that's a red guard. And
then you look at it again, he wraps, he hits
him around the shoulders. It's a good tackle.

Speaker 9 (01:10:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you go back out of the
all blacks played, I thought they played. I thought they
were their own worst enemy in the first half. Once
they controlled the ball in the second half and kept
the ball, you know, doing those picking goes, feeding off
one arf or the other, and starting to have a
bit of confidence in their passing ability. They played well,
but up until say, the last twenty five minutes, I

(01:11:20):
thought they were their own worst enemies for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Hopefully that's the work on, John, because the last twenty
was great. Hopefully that's the work on it is that
they they say, right, let's try and translate what we
did in the last twenty into the first sixty. Even
Jason Holland you might have heard him said, talk, you know,
handling errors, just mistakes inaccuracy was what afflicted them, especially
in the first half and for a little while after

(01:11:44):
halftime as well. If they can put that right, then
very much looking forward to seeing what they do for
the next three matches. Thanks John, Good to chat to
you mate.

Speaker 28 (01:11:52):
Hi Carol, Hi, you still on my son? Hell, this
is Peto.

Speaker 21 (01:11:57):
I've run too now that this is the China than
it did?

Speaker 33 (01:12:02):
Why was it body taken off the field for Hia
and did he was not?

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Later?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Carol, that's you're so right, because we're told, I'll just
get you to turn your radio down, just ever so
slightly in the background, Carol, it's just becoming a bit yep,
just just do that. Great, yep, awesome, awesome, Right. Have
I got your back?

Speaker 8 (01:12:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Love it, Carol. Carol's coming back. She's coming back. Are
you back, Carol?

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
Great?

Speaker 22 (01:12:38):
Good on you.

Speaker 12 (01:12:39):
Carol.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
You're so right though about the about the hi as,
because we're told that the mouthguard is the thing, right,
and Simon Parker had to go for an h i
A and I didn't see what happened to him. Surely
if he if he's like that, the mouthguard lights ample
or does whatever it does to indicate significant contact, it's
an anomaly.

Speaker 17 (01:13:00):
So much.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
They are they are. Yes, I am, Carol, I am.
I do have to move. I've got another couple of callers.
Thank you for turning your radio down, Thank you for calling.
Please call back any time you make a very salient
point that others have made to why wasn't there an
HIA involved? And I know the two things you don't say. Okay, Well,
you just because there's no HIA doesn't mean you can't
give a yellow car that doesn't correlate. But it's been

(01:13:26):
a source of mystery to me that in situations like
this morning, if Boden Barrett Bodemarrit's head is contacted by
the shoulder of an opponent, then why doesn't his mouthguard
get activated. We need to drill down into that. Maybe
we need to get an expert on to talk to

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us about that.

Speaker 34 (01:13:48):
Hello, Heidi, Hello, I'd like to talk about the role
of the referees.

Speaker 20 (01:13:55):
I'm old enough.

Speaker 34 (01:13:56):
In fact, in the early nineties, I was massaging the
All Blacks for free when they came to the Pronamo
up and take a poona because nobody else was doing it,
so I was doing the boys at North Shore and
North Harbor, so I offered my services. So I was
sort of around there, So I remember. I mean every
time we went to South Africa. We never won a

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series until they brought an international referees, and that was
in nineteen ninety six when we won our first And
I find it rather ironic that that disaster. Wayne Barnes
his first World Cup game was the seven one where
he caused us to lose, and his last one was
the last one when we lost as well. I'd like

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the referees to be checked after the game, and I'd
like them to be scrutinized with slow moo and look
at their decisions, because the players are slow mode to death.
It's replayed ten times, it's dissected and all a split
second of action, and they dissected to death. And yet

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when a referee makes a bad call, he doesn't get
call up. And I think it's terrible that that, if
he is proven to be to have made a wrong decision,
that they can't reverse the game. I don't know how
they could do it, really, but I think it's very
unfair that a referee's poor decision, especially in this day

(01:15:23):
and age where there's a lot of money and it's
a professional game. I don't think that the opinion of
a referee should decide which way the game goes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
I don't think that's what happened this morning, though HARDI.

Speaker 34 (01:15:37):
No, I have to admit I didn't. I missed the game.

Speaker 12 (01:15:40):
I was I had to.

Speaker 34 (01:15:41):
I'm working on the farm, and I missed.

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
I missed.

Speaker 34 (01:15:45):
I don't have Sky Sports, so I missed the game.
But I'm just looking at the at the input of
the referees. I mean, look, look what happened with Sam Kane,
and then a while later Colisi did the same thing
to Ardi and wasn't wasn't penalized for it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
So yeah, no, HAIDI, I take your point and look
at it's a wider discussion. It is a wider discussion.
I think referees are scrutinized, certainly by us, and I'm
talking the rugby public here, and this is a forum
through which people can express their opinion on that. Internally,

(01:16:23):
I know they're reviewed. I know they do with their
internal referee coaches and referee assessors. They are. They go
through games decision by decision and are asked to perhaps
explain why they came to the decisions that they did.
But I don't think that's what happened this morning.

Speaker 28 (01:16:43):
And the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Referee didn't make the decision on the upgrade of the
red card, right, that's made off the field. But I
think they're called the foul play official or something like that.
I've got so many of them these days. I heard
Elliott Smith's art on our commentary. The referee on the
field doesn't make the decision to upgrade the yellow to
the red. That's a decision made off the field. The

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referee this morning. I don't know. I thought he was okay.
I thought he was all right. He did seem to
blow his whistle a lot, but I don't think. I
didn't look at it go that referee has ruined the game.
I didn't think that. I do have a problem with
the with the yellow card being upgraded to the red.
That is the major problem I have with the officiating

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this morning. I just can't see how that is a
high degree of danger with no mitigation seven to one.
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Also hearing from Elliott Smith over in Chicago that Boden
Barrett has made some very interesting post match comments regarding

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the yellow card which was upgraded to red for Tiger
burn very much on the side of Tiger Burn is
what we're hearing. We've got that audio in coming. We'll
play it for you very shortly. But by the sounds
of it, there's there's a degree of sympathy, a high
degree of sympathy with Tig Burn from Boden Barrett, who

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was on the receiving end of the of the tackle
that led to Burn being first yellow carded and then
red carded subsequent to that. I know it doesn't matter.
I know it's not you know, it's okay tof you're
sorry for your fellow player. It doesn't change anything. But
I think it's quite an interesting point. Let's get an

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Irish view leading ira Fish rugby journalist in broadcast Murray
can sell up as well as Murray, thanks for tacking
the time to join us across New Zealand. What was
your view on the yellow cad the app grade to
raid for Todd Burn.

Speaker 35 (01:20:17):
I have to say I was surprised. I thought they
were going to keep it that yellow. Certainly that's the
feeling in Ireland. There's a sense of grievance there. But
as any Farrell himself pointed out after the game, Ireland
managed that period well and they were in front obviously
and led into the second half and there's other things
that will frustrate them more. But certainly a lot of
shock in Ireland over that decision.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
What are the other things then that will frustrate Ireland more.
Andy Ferrell in the in the senior leadership team.

Speaker 35 (01:20:45):
Their line out for starters had a really tough night
against the brilliant All Blacks defense and that's been a
familiar image in the past. I thought the Kiwi Ford's
did a great job and disrupting them there because both
sides lost their line out leaders earlier on Scott Barrett
Goes and tyger Burn Goes obviously as well. But you'd
have to say New Zealand adjusted to that setback a
lot better than Ireland did. They didn't give themselves a

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platform to attack from. The scrum was an issue as well.
New Zealand got momentum there and I think generally Ireland
just lacked that hiller edge, that accuracy and putting.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
Away chances when they were in good positions.

Speaker 35 (01:21:18):
Think of the big moment of the game. We're on
the sixty minute mark, Ireland are attacking the New Zealand
twenty two. A pass from Jack Crowley isn't held by
Jamie Osborne and a minute just down the other end
of the pitch in New Zealand hack Ford and they
win a turnover as Quintupai a big moment from him
kicking in the corner and they score a try and
that really is the big swing in the game. And
I think it summed up how Ireland just failed to

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have that yet, that accuracy and key.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Moments after that point that you've mentioned and yes, absolutely
pivotal moment, turning point. What did you see play out
in the last twenty minutes that allowed the All Blacks
to score the tries and the points that saw them
eventually stretch out to a thirteen point victory.

Speaker 35 (01:21:57):
Well, they got a brilliant impact from their bench, didn't they.
And I know Ireland had been conference around that day,
a pretty punchy looking bench themselves, you know Kaylin Darris
coming back and players like that. But I thought it
was the New Zealand replacements who made a greater impact.
I thought to mighty, Williams obviously did really well, well,
the tt did really well. Both of them scored and
they just brought an energy to that final quarter because

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like let's be honest, New Zealand for large parts of
that game, you know, looked average enough. They didn't look
at their most clinical or you know, fluid best. But
I thought in the final quarter it did really click
for them, and well, they're really difficult to stop. Ireland
really struggled to get a grip on them and they
finished right over the top. So I think that combined
with the really crucial artist of a try in the

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first half when Ireland, despite their twenty minute red card,
will feel they were kind of controlling matters to just
stick in the fight, there was key for New Zealand,
and then they finished powerfully. I think we saw their
attacking class as well. I thought the citt trying in particular,
where Boden barrats just really calm in the face of
the Irish rush defense. He kind of slows his feet,

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he delays, he waits for McKenzie to pick that space
and in a way they go behind. So some real
class in big moments at the end of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Marie, you make a great point about you know, the
I guess a little bit of frustration, maybe an opportunity
lost for Ireland. I mean, they did control the game
even down to fourteen up to the al Mark and
the turning point that you talked about, what will they
look at this as an opportunity lost.

Speaker 35 (01:23:24):
I think they will, I really do. And the frustration
for Ireland is now it's three defeats in a road
to New Zealand, and obviously prior to that, Ireland had
had a pretty good record against New Zealand that were
maybe getting used to winning these games. And it's a
worrying trend I suppose because there was quite similar marks
to this game as last year this time last year
in November in Dublin when the Old Bass came and

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won on a very similar score line as well, and
Ireland were disappointed with their performance. So a lot of
kind of similarities to that. It's the start of the
November window. Ireland, as was much discussed in the lead up,
lots of their players didn't have a huge amount of
game time. They tried not to make an excuse of it,
but I think that does contribute a little bit to
that lack of sharpness in you know, being accurate with
their skills. They'll back themselves to get better across this window.

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But you know, Tonight's shows again that the quality of
the top teams at the top level, you have to
be playing an eight out of ten and nine out
of ten every time if you're going to be winning them,
and Ireland certainly weren't that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
From a wider viewpoint, do Ireland need to regenerate this
squad in the next two years hitting to the twenty
twenty seven Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 35 (01:24:32):
They do, They've spoken about that challenge. One of the
issues is and I think everyone else apart from South
Africa and France, is envious of their debt and the
quality of player they have to choose from.

Speaker 19 (01:24:43):
We don't really have that in Ireland.

Speaker 35 (01:24:44):
However, I think there are players who have been pushing
towards getting chances of Ireland whill feel they have a
greater chance that in the next couple of years, because yeah,
there's a sense that, you know, it's lacking a little
bit of a zip and energy at the moment. That team,
and actually the players who were fresher face and who
maybe weren't as familiar to the New Zealand the audience.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Did really well.

Speaker 35 (01:25:05):
I thought, like Tommy O'Brien on the wing, he had
great energy and performance. Schuer mccosky's been around that group
a lot in the last years, but he hasn't had
a big start like that for a while, and he
was excellent. Ryan Baird had some big moments as well. So, yeah,
that's really important, that kind of regeneration into the next
World Cup because you'll have to say, as thinks Standarland, Yeah,

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they're playing catch up with the biggest teams.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
What's your assistment of where the all blecks are at?
Then I'd be interested to know what your your viewers
of where the o blecks. Hours we approached the midway
point of this World cap cycle.

Speaker 35 (01:25:40):
Well for sixty minutes of that game, I have to
said I wasn't totally impressed with I thought at times
they looked a little bit about uncertain about what they
wanted to do or what their their plan was. But well,
those bursts of brilliance that I described a little earlier
on continue to make them irresistible at times. So there's,
you know, the absolute quality core of world class players there,

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individuals who are absolutely unplayable at times when they're at
their best. I think it at times they just don't
look like they can control the game the way that
they they want to, but I think credit is deserved
because in a game like that, it would have been
easy for them to get frustrated. Ireland were controlling territory
at times and giving themselves opportunity. But yeah, there was

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a great mental a great mental grit in New Zealand's play.
Like the reality is top International rugby now there's very
little between quite a big group of teams and there's
gonna be lots of games like that where the balance
of the game and the flow of the game seems
to be going against you, but you've got a stick
in the fight and New Zealand did that in a

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big way and when they got their opportunities laid on,
they absolutely took them. So yeah, it's been it's been
eye opening actually this week just to be around New
Zealand a bit more and get a sense of I
suppose perceptions and pressures that are there for Scott Robertson
and his coaches, but we certainly look from our share
angle and think whether there's amazing talent in that team

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that you'd be a little bit end of yourself at times.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Wonderful stuff. Murray, thank you so much for joining us, mate,
Really appreciate your time. I know you're a busy man
after test matches of this magnitude, so thanks for taking
time for us.

Speaker 35 (01:27:17):
Cheers looking forward to the next battle.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Already we are we are to Murray. Thanks. Indeed, Murray
cansella there very highly regarded journalist and broadcaster out of
Ireland with his views. Yours are welcome. I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Lines are open. We're going to get
to James mcconey in Chicago at around one forty five.
He's over there, so I'll give us. He'll give us

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his irreverent as always view, But let's get the lines
back open. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Anything you
want to take out of the game this morning. Now
we've got Bodoen Barrett's thoughts here. He was asked in
the post match about the tackle from Tiger Byrne that
was originally given as a yellow card and then upgraded
to a red. Here are Boden Barrett's thoughts on that.

Speaker 22 (01:28:03):
That's yeah.

Speaker 36 (01:28:06):
I chatted to him off the game and I just said,
like I had to say sorry because he didn't intentionally
try and put a high shot on it just happened
that way, and I knew that I had a shot
to the head.

Speaker 19 (01:28:18):
I couldn't hide from that.

Speaker 36 (01:28:21):
But I also know that he may be punished for it,
but I'll support him so it'll be mitigated and hopefully
i'll see him back sooner than later.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
There you go, Boden Barrett with his thoughts on the red.
He is in the corner of tiger Burn, without a
shadow of a doubt even said there. And I don't
know whether that happens. Does it does the player who
was on the other end of the of the indiscretion
in this case Boden Barrett, Do they get the chance
to provide any evidence at these disciplinary hearings? I don't know.

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Does he get to give a viewpoint from his side
to say, hey, it's clear to me, as a player
who's played one hundred and forty odd test matches and
has been in a lot of rugby battles, that there
is no malice here, there is no intent here. Yes,
I've taken a shot to the head. I understand what

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the rules say and therefore it's no surprise I'm sure
about and Barrett that he looks across and sees tiger
Burn sent to the bin. But I am almost certain
from listening to that and from the stuff I've seen
in and around the game online and some of the
comments from others, that there is no I was going

(01:29:37):
to say, there's no universal agreement that it was a red.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
There's no.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I can't find anybody who thinks it's a red. I
haven't seen anybody anybody on any forum that I've looked at,
any postmatch comment from players, coaches, commentators, supporters. I can't
find anybody who thinks that that act is red card worthy.

(01:30:02):
What does that tell you when a player himself Bowden
Barrett has comeming out and saying that ain't read I
feel sorry for Tiger Burn? Then what are we doing, Steve?

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
II? Mate?

Speaker 21 (01:30:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 31 (01:30:19):
Here you going good?

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 37 (01:30:22):
Yeah, I just want to comment. There's actually, I reckon
a case to be made for the fact that the
Irish player didn't really move off his line. Bowden basically
ran into him, you know, So, I reckon it was
even a yellow. It was a bit a bit of
a stretch, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Yeah, I think a defender has to be aware that
attacking players with ball and hand are running towards them,
and therefore they have to do all they can not
to have contact with their head. Steve, your point, I
think the point's valid and that it just it was.
It was a split second. It happened all of a sudden.
Tiger Burn looks up in Bote and Barrat's there on
the end of a forward pass and it's just there

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and they just collide.

Speaker 37 (01:31:04):
Yeah, you know, I think it's a bit but unlucky.
I mean, there's been several of those over the last
few years where the guy with the ball on hand
is sort of run around a ruck with something gone
flattered straight into someone and the other poor bugger's got
yellow carded or in some cases red I do think that.
I mean it's also up to the ball carrier to
try and avoid the other player as well. So I

(01:31:28):
think there's a little bit on Bowden as well to
you know, if you want to run into someone like that,
that's Yeah. I feel for the Irish player and it
should never have been upgrade to red card.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
But yeah, I don't think we can apportion anything to
Boden Barret here, Steve. I think he's got the ball,
he's and again it happened very quickly, but he doesn't
I don't think he has to mitigate anything. He just
runs with the ball as you're allowed to do, and
it is up to the tackler to wrap his arms

(01:31:59):
and not make contact with the head. But in that
split second, I define any human being to be able
to do that quickly enough to avoid the contact and
therefore okay, because the head is sacrisanct and there is
a big drive by world rugby around this stuff. As

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we know, the yellow card I think is fair enough.
I'm not sure there's anybody really and Steve, you make
a point. Maybe it was just a penalty in the
eyes of some people. I think most people are okay
with the yellow card under the framework that we know
rugby has played in. But as I say, I found nobody,
nobody who thinks it was a red. Thanks for your call, Steve, Hello, Ryan, Good, thank.

Speaker 19 (01:32:46):
You, Thanks for hey.

Speaker 12 (01:32:49):
My thoughts this great great to see a victory, of course,
thoughts are though. We're two years into Rais's career and
I'm looking at as an all Black career. I'm looking
at that team and I see a team of great, great,
great players, But I'm not sure I'm a great team
out there. It's it's really interesting. I just I just

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I know it's super successful at the super level, but
I'm just I'm just waiting to watch the All Blacks
unleash and and and we haven't seen it.

Speaker 19 (01:33:22):
And it wasn't.

Speaker 12 (01:33:23):
I mean, it came in the last court perhaps, but
it wasn't unleashed. I just see a team of awesome players,
you know, man for man, look across the globe, picked
your players. There'll be biases, of course, but overall, I
just don't see the All Blacks. I just don't see
them as as a tend that just, you know, that

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aura that we had. I'm not sure what I'm not
sure what it's, what it's going to take and and
I'm not sure what I thought Raiser would have brought
it being you know, being his undoubted and look I'm
no I'm no Crusaders fan has undoubted and and and
success at super level. It's just I just I see

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a great I see great players, but I don't see
a great team.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Let me ask you this, Ryan, how optimistic are you
that we will see that in the next two years
heading to the Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 12 (01:34:19):
Well, okay, so I'll say I'm fifty fifty I thought
we would have seen it by now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Interesting. Yeah, I mean it's a really interesting conversation because
we all know, as we know, yeah, yeah, look, as
we know. You know, super rugby as a scenario under
which you see you guys every week, you see them
every day, you work with them for months and months
on end, and the result is that you've got a
very cohesive bunch of players who you work with. So

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intimately All Blacks is different. Having said that, there have
been great All Blacks teams in the past who have
come from all over the place and meshed quickly as
a team. I think the last twenty minutes gives me encouragement. Ryan,
I have to say, you know that there is that
cohesion starting to build. I think that's the best twenty
minutes I've seen from a Scott Robertson coached All Black side.

(01:35:10):
I hope to see more over the next three weeks
and on towards next year, because if we're talking, if
you and I are talking a year from now and
it still hasn't happened, and then we're inside a year
from the Rugby World Cup, then we probably have to
start having a more serious conversation.

Speaker 12 (01:35:27):
Yeah, quite right, I just looked again. I'm No, I'm
not anti Razor at all.

Speaker 17 (01:35:32):
I am a kay boy.

Speaker 12 (01:35:33):
So Fozi's was I thought he was hard done by it,
But I'm not anti Razer at all. But I just
don't see like what what way Crusaders was set again,
he's the chiefs in the final squaers. The way that
the way the Crusaders for his team would squeeze a
team out and out play teams, I don't see that
at an international level.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Good point, well made, Ryan, Thanks mate, Please stay in touch,
Callbeck any time. Let's continue to chat and hopefully we
do see some uptick this year, next and onwards. Good
to chat to you. Hello, Pete, Hey, how you doing good?
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:36:07):
Yeah, I'm probably going to be comparating the wishes of
basically the whole rugby viewing community and that all we
ask for from our referees is consistency. And you know,
when I saw the yellow card, I thought, you know,
it is so similar to the Rugby World Cup when

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Jesse Creole had a last minute Janjr. Direction and ran
upright at Seam Kaine. It's just so so very very similar.
And I think Boden Barrett's comments need to be seen
in that light. We want that level of consistency, and
I think it's a very good move from Boden Bear.
It's saying to the rugby refereeing community, says, hey, you've

(01:36:50):
got to start making that distinction between a deliberate foul
play action and accidental collision, because I don't think they're
doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
So, Peter, here's what as you were saying. I knew
you were going to say, all we want is consistency.
You know what I want more than consistency now, I
want a feel for the game from our referees.

Speaker 10 (01:37:11):
Yeah, I mean, you know when you're talking about referees
have a feel for the game. The classic example, the
template for a referee has a feeling the game has
got to be Nigel Odds that if we could clone
him and have him for every international, I think the
game itself would improve no end. It's just, you know,

(01:37:34):
things happen on a raby field that nobody intends to happen,
and unfortunately we have referees who have become very officious
and just seem to see everything in a lot in
the worst possible light. It can only harm the game.
I thought it was a spectacle. It was rather turgent today,

(01:37:55):
a very very difficult watch.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
But the other thing just before I move is around
red cards.

Speaker 13 (01:38:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
You think about a red card in any sport and
you if if someone said you're such and such got
a card, the thing you jumped to is like they've
done something pretty seriously wrong, something something grievous, something heenous,
that hasn't happened in the situation. You know, I feel
as though Rugby has moved away from that, that it
is now giving red cards for things which to the

(01:38:23):
average rugby fan like you and I, isn't a red
card offense. That's that's how I feel, and it was
reinforced by that one this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:38:33):
Yeah, I mean, you know when we look seeing some
of the classic Bred cards, you know, the classic ones
like the Irish player that ian was Helly that was
nearing the head of McCaw and the ruck when you're
seeing the punches getting thrown and you know people, you know,
these horrible high shots that you see. Yeah, you know
that's deliberate, stupid, but an accidental delision is part of

(01:38:57):
the game. Shouldn't be treated as a carnival offense, certainly
not in terms of a.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Red great point well made, Pete, Thanks indeed, mate for
calling in. Call back anytime. One twenty eight News Talks.
They'll be back with more of your calls after this.

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Speaker 8 (01:39:27):
Get here you going piney good Gary. Hey, just want
to give a different aspect to the HIA and the
red card. So I'm a rugby referee, right, and I've
had the privilege of being on the sideline at lots
of NPC games, right, And there's a game manager there,
and if there is a player that is suspected that

(01:39:48):
they're in some concern or whatever, they pulled off straight away. Now,
just because someone gets a head contact doesn't necessarily mean oh,
that player's got heads contact, therefore they get HIA. It
doesn't actually sort of work like that. So I think
if there was any level of concern for Boden, he
would have been I have no doubt about that. I
think there's the systems in place for that, so it's

(01:40:11):
it's not just as automatic.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Yeah, can I just I want to chat more with you, Gary,
But so, I just don't understand how a headshot like that,
which is, you know, which is reasonably significant, and the
one on the second half where Ringro's got him fairly
and his head snap back, why doesn't that set off
the mouthguard And yet other seemingly innocuous contacts do, and

(01:40:34):
players when they're told they've got to go to the
sideline for an HIA triggered by their mouthguard, seem utterly
mystified with what's happened.

Speaker 8 (01:40:43):
I can't come mean too much on the mouthguard, the
new mouthguards. I haven't got any experience with those, but
we had trained at a senior rugby level here to
read signs of players and have a look at how
they're acting and behaving and seeing what things like their
arms are doing and how they get how they're standing
up and things like that, and so they're sitting trigger points.

(01:41:03):
And I guess all I can say to that is
that the same contact can hit on two people and
get a different reaction.

Speaker 6 (01:41:10):
Sure, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:41:12):
I trust the process and the system that there's a
doctor there. If there was any signs, As I say,
from what I've seen at in PC level personally thirty
forty fifty times at games, if there was any level
of concern for the player, there is no way that
they would be allowed to carry on, gotcha?

Speaker 19 (01:41:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:41:31):
Yeah, yeah yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
What about the other groade? What about the upgrade?

Speaker 19 (01:41:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
What about the upgrade?

Speaker 8 (01:41:36):
The red card? Right, So if you read the technicalities
and all everything in the law and all of in
everything that it says, that is a I'll give it
a marginal red card. Our referees group chat this morning,
every big game, our referees group chats always going off,
and our general feeling was that it was a i'll

(01:41:57):
call it a marginal read. You know, it had you know,
all of the things. Now, the problem being is that
a marginal read versus you know, a Darcy Swaying tipping
over Quinty Pye. That's the one that comes to my
mind a few years ago. That was a read. And
you know that guys should probably you anyway, And so
it was certainly at a it was certainly at a
marginal end of the red and I and that's the

(01:42:20):
hard thing with a red card, you know, there's not
as much range and a yellow if you get what
I mean. Whereas in a reed you can have a
pay some bloat can punch someone else in the head
and that's a red card, and you can have that's
a red cat, and there's more of a that's it's
a bit of a hard one and I technically, according
to the law, it was a read, but I really
feel a little bit it was on the marginal end

(01:42:42):
of my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Yeah, great perspective, Garrett. I need to get in your
referees Chap into referees WhatsApp group. I think I would
learn a lot in there. I'm not suggesting that you
invite me aboard, but I think that would be a
great what tap group to be a part of. Hey, Gary,
thanks for ringing man. I've heard you on with Mike Hosking.
I feel honored that you've wrung me as well. Thanks
for your cal oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
aty Barry High.

Speaker 33 (01:43:03):
Mate, Yeah, get as man has a game.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Good Thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:43:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:43:07):
Firstly, I must say, you know a good one of
the av's congratulations. But I would like to just sort
of chuck out a bit of a wide view, you know,
more from a fans perspective than anything else. And if
we look at you know, the modern game. You know,
there's forty six players that play the game and their
first job really is to enjoy themselves and at the

(01:43:30):
same time provide a spectacle that is both exciting and entertaining.
Now that sort of extends to the fans that are
firstly at the game, in this case sixty two thousand
of them.

Speaker 18 (01:43:42):
You know, they pay, they pay big.

Speaker 33 (01:43:43):
Money to travel to another country for a start off,
buy a ticket to go to one of these games, accommodation,
et cetera, et cetera, and on the back of that
they expect to be entertained. Now I don't actually, I'm
not convinced that we are being entertained, if you know
what I'm saying. The insociating is becoming so nitpicky that

(01:44:05):
I think it's bord on damaging the game rather than
helping it. You know, you know, those fans must be meant,
especially if the Irish fan you would be immensely frustrated
to have traveled to another country from your home country
to support your team. To Watson do under fourteen players.

Speaker 12 (01:44:25):
Must be tough.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
I think the balance to strike Barry is spectacle, the
safety isn't it? And you're so right, Yeah, yeah, the
fan has to sit in the middle of the conversation.
For me, hest fan is nothing, but I think yeah.

Speaker 33 (01:44:42):
To me, the problem is, I look at that particular
one we're talking about today and my first instance was, oh, yeah, penalty,
perhaps a yellow. But I was completely mystified when they
went to a red. I thought, you've got to be
kidding me, really, And the downside to that is that
that team that goes down to fourteen, what was their
mindset now that some of them go into a negative mindset.

(01:45:04):
They want ball out of play, They want to re
set scrums that when they have injured players sitting on
the ground, you just want to chew up in the
first instance ten minutes and then they've had to chew
up twenty minutes. So I think it's damaging for the game,
and to me, there's a further add onto that. The
second big issue for me is that because we have
so many of the ex players that sits on commentary panels,

(01:45:28):
I believe that protecting the game. And when I say that,
I mean I think they actually signed contracts to say
things along the lines that they will not bring the
gamer to distribute with what they say or do, so
their hands are a little bit tied as to how
openly they can speak about these things that are frustrating
the game.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Yeah, Barry, I can tell you for a fact that
is not the case. No one, Well, okay, I can
tell you from a Sky Sport point of view that
is not the case. I'm employed on a contract basis
by Sky Sport as well, not for rugby, but for football,
and at no time have I ever been asked to
do that. And while rugby potentially could be different, I'm

(01:46:14):
almost positive that nobody at Sky the likes of Jeff Wilson, Mills,
Mullyana Justin Marshall, any of them, have signed anything or
even been instructed verbally to not voice of you. That
might be detrimental to the spectacle of game of rugby,

(01:46:36):
but your point is a valid one. Around the spectacle
of the game, the fan must be in the center
of the conversation, must be in the center of any discussion.
Thanks for your col Hanadi.

Speaker 22 (01:46:49):
Hello, he good.

Speaker 16 (01:46:51):
Afternoon, How are you mate? Very good, It's good to hear.
It's good to hear. Hey the game this morning, Keez
he's in a rugby fans there brain dead sometimes and
we all have short memories if we don't forget that.
Sim Keen said out the entire World Cup Grand Final
and we nearly won, and he lost on account of

(01:47:12):
we missed how many kicks? So when people say that
Ireland down one man and it makes the game less exciting,
it doesn't, and it's their own fault. Look, if someone's
getting a red card, I'm all for it these days,
especially after what I saw happened to Sam Kaine. There
was a bit of you know, yes, right right is it.

Speaker 9 (01:47:39):
Card?

Speaker 22 (01:47:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Yeah, yeah, use we use that as air filter though,
because it was you know, he was hard done by.
Because I think we can agree Sam King was hard
done by.

Speaker 18 (01:47:50):
Yeah yeah, and we nearly won with fourteen men, So
I don't you know, the game necessarily isn't over when
you get a red card.

Speaker 31 (01:47:58):
Yep, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 18 (01:48:00):
Sure, it's and and circrifices like today it's really said
because you know it obviously wasn't a red cart, but
you know, and also getting to Razor, like everyone's like,
oh rais is no good, He's he's thirty's left luster,
he's well everybody's said there to Darian Foster meet. Everybody
wrote off via Foster and has all Blacks long before

(01:48:22):
the World Cup came along.

Speaker 16 (01:48:24):
Two years before.

Speaker 18 (01:48:24):
Everyone's saying he's not prepared.

Speaker 38 (01:48:26):
We're not prepared.

Speaker 22 (01:48:26):
With no weeting.

Speaker 38 (01:48:27):
We made it to the fucking final.

Speaker 16 (01:48:29):
Sorry, we met it to the flip the final.

Speaker 9 (01:48:31):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
I do, Yes, I do, And I think you know,
Ian Foster went through a terrifically difficult twenty twenty two.
As we'll remember, hen you know, Ireland came here and
beat us a couple of losses in the Rugby Championship.
He was they were ready to take his job off him,
came through that and y as you say, got us
to within one point of World Cup victory with fourteen men.

(01:48:55):
So yeah, look, I don't think we I don't think
any of us, you know, need to panic on the
second of November twenty twenty five about what might happen
in late twenty twenty seven. I think we all would
like to see progress, and I think the last twenty
minutes gave me a glimmer of that this morning. It
hasn't been a banner year for all black rugby. There
have been good matches or patches of good matches. And

(01:49:17):
I think about the game at Edon Park against South Africa,
and the first half against France and Wellington, and a
couple of other occasions, both games against Australia. There were
very good parts of each of those the last twenty
minutes today, if we can start to find consistent match
minutes where we all go okay, okay, now I see now,
I see where this team is going, then we will

(01:49:39):
be a lot more encouraged. Paul, are you going to
have the final? Say?

Speaker 6 (01:49:43):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 17 (01:49:44):
Can I nate?

Speaker 21 (01:49:45):
But a bit of a worry the old guy button's
not quite working.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
I'm sure not too many people are offended by that pole.

Speaker 21 (01:49:54):
Look to be fair, I might be the only one.
I think I might be a little bit in a
line with scenari. I have zero issues with it being
upgraded to read simply because the rulers it's now twenty minutes,
not the whole game, and you know he's made the mistake.
There is no medicating factors.

Speaker 16 (01:50:11):
You know, there is no excuses for what he did.

Speaker 21 (01:50:13):
He's made a mistake. He's only off for twenty minutes.
They've got a replacement on after that, no issues with
it at all. And again to Scenario's point, Jesse Crele
never went for a HIA in the World Cup final
when Sam came hit him.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Yeah, and the point made earlier as well by Gary
who called in as well. Yeah, the whole mount Well,
they weren't smart mouthguards then, but yeah, so you don't
necessarily always have to. It just strikes me as curious. Paul,
I do have to move because James mcconey wants to
talk to us from Chicago. But thank you for calling, mate,
and thank you for all your calls and your correspondence.
It's eighteen away from too. James mcconey along shortly from Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
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Speaker 14 (01:51:14):
It's nippy in Chicago.

Speaker 39 (01:51:16):
I think the All Blacks are about to fly out
straight away, so they're not even going to enjoy the
nights here where they definitely deserve to enjoy a few
celebratory beverages because it was It was actually a pretty
good performance given that I think the ref was a
little bit dodgy and the first half was very stop start,
but hayy was the fourth quarter with the All Blacks dominated.

Speaker 14 (01:51:38):
It's what they've wandered for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Yep, that's the point we've been We've been saying over
and over back here, James. Good to know we're aligned
on this. But you're right. The last twenty minutes was
what we used to expect and love about the All Blacks,
you know, a last quarter performance that sealed Test match victories.
What's what Soldier Field like?

Speaker 39 (01:51:56):
By the way, it's kind of it's weird because it's
not really covered stands.

Speaker 14 (01:52:01):
As you can see, they just sort of go up.

Speaker 39 (01:52:04):
It's just almost a sheer drop you would want to
sort of like fall backwards. It's like a one of
those a Mayan sacrifice, you know, and one of those
pyramids from Apocalypto. Great movie by the well Mel Gibson,
five stars, but I I think or he was a director,
But really the atmosphere was it was very pro Irish

(01:52:25):
and then when the All Blacks were struggling. You can
actually sense the Ireland. The Irish team were just hanging
out in there and the All Blacks really you would
have noticed this. We're giving them too many chances. They
were tries that went begging and if they lose this test,
they'll hate the video analysis because they left a few
out there. But it was more that the young ones

(01:52:49):
who are starting to become too mature as players. I
was really happy for Peter Archive for Canroy Guard and
Wallace Atisi coming on. Just you know, Peter Larkieve it's
a tough it's a tough gig that All Blacks numbering shirt.
But yeah, he's he's definitely, he's definitely playing.

Speaker 14 (01:53:08):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
I know you're a big Simon Parker fan, but what
about t T Savia lakeye six seven eight, Well, they're all.

Speaker 39 (01:53:19):
They're not massive, you know, they're all shorter than New
Pony And I know that you're you know, you're you're
like High Tower from Police Academy again, great movie, five stars.
But the thing is I think that really, you know,
Simon Parker is in there because he is a big
body that that's a really solid lineout option. But games

(01:53:40):
are about finishers now and that's what teams actually call
me a bench, don't they. You know, the finishers, And
I think you need some of those players to come
on when the when the gaps appear. I actually think
there are more gaps even in the first half now
and and Razor will be We'll be thinking of ways
to exploit them because you know, just even David Damien McKenzie,

(01:54:03):
a player like him, is per for when the game
breaks up. So as much as there's lots of DMAK
fans out there, it actually works him being off the bench.
So Tz yes, like he could be. He looks like
he's getting back to his best first all back try.
But I mean it worked for them. If they actually

(01:54:24):
got stuff right in the first half, they should have
been well in the lead.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
I thought, as Chicago's I mean it's a big city.
What's got I think the city itself about two point
seven million, the wider metropolitan area nine and a half million.

Speaker 22 (01:54:39):
Was there?

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Like advertising was there?

Speaker 14 (01:54:42):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Was it obvious that there was an All Blacks Island
test match going on, you know in the lead up
to the game.

Speaker 21 (01:54:48):
Not really.

Speaker 39 (01:54:49):
And I even had a chat to David kirk good
old Kurky after the game, and I said, you know,
I think it's about time that that New Zealand Rugby
and even Sky reached out to ESPN and said, look,
this is one of our big products and why not
why not do something with us?

Speaker 14 (01:55:08):
Why not collab?

Speaker 39 (01:55:09):
Because I think it was a little bit of a
too much of a wildcat kept secret.

Speaker 14 (01:55:15):
It was all expats and.

Speaker 39 (01:55:17):
Rugby fans from around America coming, you know, gathering really
like a pilgrimage, but from the city you couldn't really tell,
not until today, catching the the L train as the
l as they call it, and going to the game,
could you actually see, Okay, this is there's something big happening.
But yeah, that's something that's to work on. I think

(01:55:39):
it's the if you really want to push the brand,
you should be trying to get it on all the
channels over here. But ESPN seems like a logical fit
because you know, it's it's on every single hotel room
and and you get the message out.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Have you had the chance to go to to anything else?
Have you been to watch the Chicago Bulls game.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
I've been to two Piney.

Speaker 14 (01:56:02):
I went one as a fan and one is working media.
So I was there last night, throwing a few questions.

Speaker 39 (01:56:07):
At Josh Guiney and the coach Billy Donovan. I was
pretty impressed with Josh Giddy, giving that he's just this
Aussie kid, you know, six 't seven, but he just moves.
He's so slick with his movement and he's got a
bit of a clunky shot on him, but even that's improving.
So he's a budding superstar.

Speaker 14 (01:56:26):
And even I asked Billy Donovan, oh.

Speaker 39 (01:56:29):
You know, what's the ceiling and he goes, Oh, he
can be an All Star for sure, which would make
him the greatest ever Ossie basketballer. I think if he goes,
if he's heading in that direction, and you know, it's
strange that they're five and oh they're on a high,
the Bulls. But the one thing that I think Kiwis
will take back take away from that is just how
engaging an entire night at the basketball is never a

(01:56:52):
dull moment, always thinking about the fans. And if you
are ever watching a basketball game, if you can, like
I go on NBA Pass and you can get the
in stadium experience, so you see kiss cam and look
Alike cam and all the whole lot, and it's actually
it's kind of cool.

Speaker 16 (01:57:09):
Really.

Speaker 39 (01:57:09):
It's a great way to watch sport as well on TV,
but in stadium, it's hard to beat.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
Absolutely all. Right, to finish our Baseball World Series Game seven,
deciding Game seven, top of the third at the moment,
still no runs between the Dodgers and the Blue Jays.
Are great that this is going the distance. Any predictions
who's lifting who's lifting the World Series in a couple
of hours or maybe a bit longer if the other
day's anything to go by.

Speaker 39 (01:57:35):
Look, the bases were loaded for Toronto and then they
didn't capitalize, So that feels to me that you cannot
give an opportunity show he's about to warm up to
come into bat. He's pitching as well. I mean, it's
so box office, isn't it. This whole series is going
to bring people to baseball because you're watching really the

(01:57:55):
greatest of all time. It's a pretty great time in sport.
I mean, you and I as football fans, we feel
lucky to have watched you know, Lionel Messi and Ronaldo
sort of jeweling right the past decade or so. Well,
now baseball has got that, It's got its moment. It's
got an absolute superstar, and now people will probably find
out about all the other stars and the sport because

(01:58:17):
of him.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Absolutely right, Hey, thanks for joining us. I could hear
the sirens in the background. I presume they weren't. They
weren't for you, weren't for you? You haven't been sort
of that.

Speaker 19 (01:58:28):
Well, we don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:58:29):
Yet, party.

Speaker 39 (01:58:30):
I'm just I'm not quite sure what I've done wrong,
but I did jaywalk earlier today. I'm not proud of myself,
but I had places to be.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Travel safe, mate. James McCarney joining us live from Chicagovernor's
regular slot here on Weekend Sports seven Away from two
News Talks NB.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
on Weekend Sport with Jason Paine, News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
MB four away from two News two and then we'll
change direction. I think after two o'clock we've had a
decent crack at the rugby, haven't we. There'll be more
postmatch reaction across the afternoon as part of our Sports
Use bulletins. But there's an international rugby league doubleheader today
at Eden Park, Pacific Championship Kiwei Ferns against Australia and
the women's match at half past three, then Kiwe's v

(01:59:16):
Tonga from five past six, gonna catch up with Kiwi's
and Penrith second rower Isaiah Pappa Lee here is with
us after two o'clock and our top AxMan who last
weekend became a world champion in the individual event for
the first time. Jack Jordan is also on the show
between two and three.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
It's the only place to discuss the biggest fours issues
on and afterfield. It's all on Wee Keens Forward with
Jason Paine on your home of Sport Used.

Speaker 3 (01:59:48):
Talks six minutes past two. Welcome into the show, Welcome
back to the show. This is Weekend Sport on News
Talk Set B. I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald's the show producer.
We've been given another hour, so we're going to pick
that up and run with it. We'll move away from
the rugby. I think we might revisit it at the
back end of the hour, but there's other bits and

(02:00:08):
pieces we do want to cover off. We'll keep eyes
on the baseball. As you heard from Elarga in our
Sports news, Toronto out to a three neerl lead in
the bottom of the third, so they've made the first
big move of this game. Teams to score first have
won twenty five of forty Game seven's I can tell you,

(02:00:32):
I don't know if that stat means anything. Twenty five
out of forty. It's not overriding, yes, it's a majority. Anyway,
we'll keep eyes on the game. La Dodgers Toronto Blue
Jays Game seven of Baseball's World Series. The winner of
this game obviously wins it. I think Toronto have won
it for over three decades. This is in Toronto as well,
so the city may about to celebrate a baseball victory.

(02:00:58):
Still a long way to go, though, We'll keep eyes
on that for you over the next hour or so.
I want to talk some rugby league as well, because
there's a big double head Added park today involving both
of our Kiwi sides. The Kiwi Ferns up against Australia
women's match underway at three thirty five, and then the
key was against Tongue of five past six. I'll be
really interested to see the crowd size for this Eden Park.

(02:01:21):
I mean big ground as we know, but I reckon
I'll get a decent turnout. Isaiah Pappalei out of the
Kiwis camp to chat to us. Jack Jordan is on
the show. Massive Achievement from Jack Jordan, our top axeman.
Last weekend in the still Timber Sports World Championship in Milan, Italy,

(02:01:42):
he became just the third key we to win the title.
He'll chat to us about that and we'll get inside
the Wellington Phoenix women's camp as well. The A League
Women's competition is underway this we can but the Phoenix
have a buye. It's an uneven number of teams in
the Ninja A League. The women's competition they're underway next Saturday,
part of a double head at sky Stadium, but a

(02:02:04):
lot of excitement around about the Wellington Phoenix women's side
and some of their new recruits. We'll hear from one
of them before three o'clock as well. Lines of communication
remain open for you eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
as our phone number nine two ninety two is our
text number. You can send an email to me Jason
at Newstalk SDB dot co dot nz. But as we
always do it around about this time on weekend Sport,

(02:02:26):
we want to bring you up to date, get you
across some of the stuff you Modermist There's been a
lot of sport happening. It's always quite challenging to keep
up with it. Also, we wrap it into a very
handy feature for you called in case you mist at
Rugby league's ashes have been wrapped up by Australia.

Speaker 27 (02:02:44):
One frustrating nothing light on them, Cleary Williams providing the
escort oh taxes Chinese huts.

Speaker 40 (02:02:56):
I don't want to be torturn again, the kick claim.

Speaker 6 (02:03:00):
What'sn't deal with? Hudson races EXI.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
Score the fourteen to four when giving the Kangaroos an
unassailable two nil lead in the series. But in rugby
union it was England beating Australia.

Speaker 30 (02:03:14):
England's looking at finishing with some sort of flourish and
they're driving the life out of the Australia tont now
milth there's still no most howards and.

Speaker 40 (02:03:24):
There's less less resistance.

Speaker 27 (02:03:27):
England's bearing down on the trailine Almost everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:03:30):
Part of this more on the try score twenty five seven,
the final score at Twickenham. Meantime, Scotland, who the All
Blacks play next Sunday, ran riot over the United States.

Speaker 6 (02:03:43):
Last player for much.

Speaker 25 (02:03:45):
Thompson pulling it Smeath, he's up to score tonight, but
that's a.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
Dut to change.

Speaker 41 (02:03:55):
Scotland's ire impressible eighty five nil, eighty five nil if
they look forward to welcoming the All Blacks to murray
Field next weekend. The All Blacks fifteen, meantime, delivered a
strong come from behind when over the Barbarians.

Speaker 35 (02:04:12):
The South African lock back rower who is, oh, here
we go That touchdown sits up for Billy.

Speaker 4 (02:04:21):
And is that the try that.

Speaker 6 (02:04:23):
Secures it for All Blacks fifty David.

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
Harbilly the All Blacks fifteen with nineteen niel down but
ran away winners by thirty three points to nineteen. To
football and the Premier League, a chaotic game between Nottingham
Forest and Manchester United. Forest wire one nil down but
then scored two quick goals to take the lead.

Speaker 27 (02:04:43):
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Speaker 22 (02:04:48):
But not an ultrom notxingon Forest.

Speaker 27 (02:04:52):
It's Aboda who makes it two.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
To one, two goals.

Speaker 3 (02:04:57):
It is many minutes what to turn around it is,
but Manchester United came back late to split the points.

Speaker 27 (02:05:05):
Random with the corner Financhester United and they get the
first contact so swing at that from Georgy and it's
in what's a brilliant strike from the bads. It's the
level of for Manchester United.

Speaker 3 (02:05:22):
It finished two to Arsenal, beat Burnley two nil away
and have opened up a seven point lead at the top.
After ten games and the season closer to home. Auckland
FC are back on top of the A League table.
My Rogerson outside, my look, it's.

Speaker 6 (02:05:43):
The post.

Speaker 27 (02:05:46):
Glueverstrata, blue everstrata.

Speaker 23 (02:05:50):
To the the light of the court.

Speaker 3 (02:05:52):
Here's Auckland f C winning two one of Adelaide United.
If the Phoenix beat the Mariners tonight, though, they will
go to the top of the table. And as mentioned earlier,
Baseball's World Series into a game seven after a thriller
for the Dodgers in Game six yesterday, the.

Speaker 40 (02:06:08):
Blue Jays one swing from the World Championship. Anandaz. That's
a rock field, Hernandez next to Jacks the second seven
to mo day, it's a.

Speaker 5 (02:06:21):
Game and in double play kick Hernandez, Timguel Rovas.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
Let's scoop from the track field and the court on
your home of sport. Wept with Jason Vine.

Speaker 3 (02:06:34):
You talks and b just updating you on game seven.
We're into the top of the fourth now and the
Toronto Blue Jays lead the La Dodgers three runs to
nil three runs to nil at the top of the fourth.
As mentioned, International Rugby League comes to Eden Park today
in the form of a Pacific Championship doubleheader. The Kiwi
Ferns up against Australia and the women's match from three

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point thirty five this afternoon, and then it's the Kiwis
to play Tonga in the men's match from five past six.
Let's bring in Kiwi's and Penrith second rower Isaiah Pappalii.
Thanks for joining us, mate. Can we start with the
review of the game against some More seems an age ago,
a couple of weeks ago. What were the main things
that came out of the review of that match as

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you start preparing or you started preparing for the game
against Tonga?

Speaker 38 (02:07:21):
Hey jas Yeah that whenever some More was it's a
good way to get the cob webs out and I
guess get ourselves some momentum. But I think the on
reviewer just talking about how we defended so well after
putting ourselves under a bit of pressure in that second half.
So I will be making sure, we can kind of

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build off that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:42):
You talk about a few cob webs, and I guess
the team doesn't get together a heck of a lot.
So when you do get together, does it take a
bit of time to get those combinations back to be
fully functioning again?

Speaker 38 (02:07:53):
Yeah, yeah it does. We kind of talk about it
when we assemble and kind of just try knuckle out
the game plan and how we want to play, and
then I guess you get those reps throughout the week
and then yeah, you kind of build it pretty quickly.
Hanging out pretty much twenty four to seven, so you

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kind of get that connection pretty quick, and I think
it pays off when game they come.

Speaker 3 (02:08:19):
There's been a bit of talk about the penalty given
against you in that game for a supposed late char
John Jerome Lewi. How did you see that butter play?

Speaker 38 (02:08:27):
Yeah, I guess it's pretty consistent with how the rest
have been. I guess calling those enery so I couldn't
really argue too much because he I kind of definitely
pushed him. I think I just got to wrap my
arms around the next time and take him to the
ground rather than just shoving him.

Speaker 3 (02:08:48):
Yeah, I guess the main gist of the opposition to
the penalty was the fact that it's a slow play
the ball. You've got up quickly to challenge him. And
I think some people think arbecks go to but too
much protection in situations like that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:00):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
I mean, I don't expect you to say that, but
I mean it's It's a fine line, isn't it.

Speaker 38 (02:09:05):
Yeah, I think I guess there's a consistency there, which
is the main thing. So if I saw my host
getting pushed like that, I'm sure on a penalty for us.
So I couldn't really hear it, Like I said, argued
too much about it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:18):
Fair enough, So then some all went and beat Tonga
quite comfortably too. Was there a surprise to see some
more you know, bigger a tongue inside that I guess
we all thought was was going to be your main
competition again this year.

Speaker 38 (02:09:32):
I can't tell you it was a surprise. The way
they played against us, we definitely had to play a
four eighty minutes and the result was in the balance
for I guess the whole game. So when I seen
them go up against Tonge, they played, yeah, some really
good footing. Obviously they had a set that was their

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second game, whereas Tom had their first. So I think
there's a bit of an advantage there with them having
that second game, that first game under their belt. So
I'm sure Tom will I guess take that those lessons
from that game and every really to go to Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:10:08):
Yeah, So on Tonga, what sort of threat do you
expect them to pose to you at Eton Park?

Speaker 38 (02:10:17):
Pretty much X fact all over the field. Really, They've
got a talented squad, They're coming off the back of
a loss. I'm sure they want to redeem themselves. And
also he's going to probably be a read so they're
going to have eighteen men out there with the crowd
and I'm looking forward to that challenge and I'm sure, yeah,

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it'll be a good game.

Speaker 3 (02:10:40):
You've played a lot of rugby league now, I mean
you're still very young, but you've played a lot of
NRL rugby league and international rugby league. How does wearing
the Kiwi jersey compare to playing club foot the in
the NRL.

Speaker 38 (02:10:54):
Yeah, it's a bit more special. I guess I'm kind
of being a Kiwi kid myself growing up here in Auckland,
you always kind of dreamt of putting on that black
Jersey and always remember watching the Kiwis before me do
Hawker singer anthems, playing those big games, And for me

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to be in that position right now, I'm pretty grateful
and blessed, and I'm just happy that I get to
do it in front of my family and friends and
live out my childhood dreams are It's pretty special for
myself and even also for my family who have supported
me since since day one.

Speaker 3 (02:11:32):
How do you go about integrating some of the newer
guys into the Kiwi's environment.

Speaker 38 (02:11:38):
I think it's pretty easier. Everyone's a Kiwi, I guess,
and we connect pretty easily. But yeah, we just kind
of make them feel welcome as soon as they come
into camp and just go play some coffee. I'll pay
some coffee, play some cards, and kind of just do
what you'll do at Cobland. But being in camp for

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more then a couple of days, you kind of just, yeah,
make them feel welcome pretty quickly, and then you kind
of find your group pretty quick. As are you at.

Speaker 3 (02:12:10):
The point of your career now, Isaiah where you feel
like you've got a leadership role to play in this team?

Speaker 38 (02:12:16):
Yeah, you could say that. I think it's been a
few years now and I just want to kind of
lead with action and and just make sure that those
around you feel comfortable. And I guess yeah, I think
definitely feeling a bit older now the last couple of years,

(02:12:38):
so trying to keep myself young by hanging out and
getting around them. So yeah, I think those are the
things I tried to do as a leaders, Just lead
by action and make sure they feel comfortable around me.

Speaker 3 (02:12:52):
And pretty proud history of rugby league and your family
of course, you and your mum, Lorena New Zealand's only
mother son combination to represent the Kiwi Ferns and then
the key Wes. How big an influence has she been
on you?

Speaker 38 (02:13:04):
She's massive. I guess she's someone that I used to
watch growing up a lot. And yeah she's just not
only her just playing for QUI friends, but the way
she she is just around home, just always I guess,
working hard and making sure things are done around the house.

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I think that's something that I kind of take away
into my own lifestyle and how I go about things.
So he's been a massive influence, and yeah, I still
look up to as a role model today and try
see that person that she is day and day out.

Speaker 3 (02:13:44):
How did you evaluate your first season with Penrith.

Speaker 38 (02:13:49):
Ah, Yeah, good. Obviously a rough start, but I think
personally I was growing each day each week and that
was probably the main thing I wanted to do throughout
this year, and I thought I did that and obviously
came up short at the back end of the year.
But myself, I was hadn't been in final forty since

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twenty twenty two, so that was something that I relished
and enjoyed, but obviously wanted to go all the way
and that didn't happen. So still got a goal to chase,
and yeah, I'm looking forward to for the next couple
of years at the club.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
And what about your time at the Tigers, how do
you how do you reflect on that?

Speaker 22 (02:14:32):
Yeah, a lot of.

Speaker 38 (02:14:33):
Learnings, I guess two years there and I guess, yeah,
the results weren't weren't coming and it was definitely tough,
but I think it taught me to kind of just
count my blessings and and understand that, yeah, my preparation

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is key to performing on that and on that field
on the weekend. So those are the learnings that I
took away from from the Tigers, and I've made sure
to implement throughout my fin at Tinner.

Speaker 3 (02:15:08):
So you're gonna get a bit of time off. I
mean you've got tonge to play and then in all
probability the final as well. Do you get a bit
of time off before you have to report back for
pre season?

Speaker 14 (02:15:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 38 (02:15:17):
Yeah, So after we wrap up here, I think the
planner's my due dates in the new year, So I
got a bit of traveling to do with my family
and I'll probably end up here come Christmas time, so
I'm looking forward to that. And Auckland, you don't have
some good weather, I guess it.

Speaker 3 (02:15:39):
Depends on I guess it depends on where you are
in the country. But I'm sure you'll find some sunshine somewhere. Isaiah,
all the best, all the best against Tom Made and
onto the final as well. It's been great to chat
to you Made, all the best. You have a good
one to two things indeed there out of the Kiwis camp.
So they're the second game today at Eton Park. The
early game is the Kiwi Ferns against the Australian Jill

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a Ruse three thirty five. Now both of these teams
go forward to the final. They have already both beaten
Fettu some more reasonably comfortably well in the case of
the Gillarus. It was the case of the Kiwi Ferns.
They were made to work for a little bit. But
these two will play in the final which is next
weekend and as far as the Kiwis are concerned, five

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past six against Tonga and at all probability unless they
lose by a significant margin to Tonga this afternoon, they
will go into the final as well, New Zealand against
some more and that is next weekend in Sydney. Checking
in on the baseball, the Dodgers are on the board
bottom of the fourth and Toronto lead it three runs

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to one. Three runs to one, so the Dodgers are
getting a run on the board in the top of
the fourth. The Toronto Blue Jay is still with that
three to one advantage. Two twenty three and take a break.
When we come back. Jack Jordan is on the show,
our top AxMan and now an individual world champion, after
claiming that title against eleven other top axmen from around

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the world in Milan, Italy a week ago. Jack Jordan
is back home, gonna have a chat to us when
we come back.

Speaker 1 (02:17:17):
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Speaker 3 (02:17:27):
News Talks AB and Weekend Sport. It is two twenty six.
Last weekend, the country's top axe men, Jack Jordan, won
the still Timber Sports World Championship Individual event for the
first time. He's just the third key we to win
the title, joining Jason Wynyard and David Bolstad. Having finished
a close second last year in the traditional long form

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format across six different wood shopping and saw in disciplines,
Jack Jordan came out on top of the twelve strong
field in Milan, Italy last weekend. He's back home now
and joins us. Jack, Congratulations on your first win in
this very prestigious event. How long did it take sink
in that you'd actually won and become a world champion.

Speaker 14 (02:18:10):
Well, it was a bit of a strange feeling afterwards.

Speaker 42 (02:18:13):
Sort of the event went for about three hours, and
I sort of spent them three hours staying pretty composed
and staying pretty relaxed. So afterwards I sort of felt
like I looked and come across pretty relaxed also, So
I think it's still sinking and sinking in now.

Speaker 3 (02:18:28):
Yeah, the competition involves six disciplines. Can you just take
us through each one and tell us what you have
to do for.

Speaker 42 (02:18:35):
Each Yeah, So I've got three chopping events and three
soaring events. We start off with the underhand chop, that's
where we cut the log that's between between our legs.
Then we do a stock saw stock saw race, so
we cut two discs with a sixty sixty one. Then

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it goes to the standard block chop where we cut
the log that's standing next to us. After that it
goes the points for each event changes. After that the
single saw, well I suppose theyre handsaw sort of six
foot or six foot four long crosscut saws. Cut a
wheel with that m Then it's the springboard chop where

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we put two boards into a tree, climb up and
then cut the log off at the top, cut all
the way through from one side, and sort of slash
it off backhanded. And then it all comes down to
the last event, the hot saw, which is actually triple
points so yeah, where we use a big two stroke
chainsaws to cut three wheels in the space of six inches.

Speaker 14 (02:19:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 42 (02:19:42):
So the other six events and we sort of get
points for every event, and at the end of the
day it comes down to who's the most points throughout
the day.

Speaker 3 (02:19:50):
I'm looking at some of the times for these individual
disciplines and we're talking seconds here, Jack, not minutes seconds.
There's very little margin for era here, isn't there?

Speaker 14 (02:20:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 42 (02:20:03):
For sure, Yeah, especially in some of those sawing of
the most nervous I was on the night was for
that stocksall race, where it's just standard points and it's
generally pretty easy for me, or it's like for most
people it's pretty easy, but when you're trying to go
as fast as you can, it's and I started playing

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on your mind, but where you know, after you're a
few inch inch to one side, it's pretty easy to
get a disqualification which would ruin your night.

Speaker 14 (02:20:34):
So he was pretty nervous on the night for that one.

Speaker 3 (02:20:36):
And then we come to the sixth event, the hot Saw.
You were neck and neck pretty much with Australia and
branden Meyer right the way through. He said a new
PB of six point four to eight seconds in the
hot Saw. You're the last guy to go. You step
up and you see your own personal best of six
point one six to snatch the title. How was that
moment or how was that sort of what were you

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feeling before it? Throughout the six seconds and then afterwards.

Speaker 42 (02:21:04):
It's yeah, that strange, really little Leading into the hot saw,
I felt really confident, which is quite a good way
to be, I suppose, But yeah, like I said, the
most nervous I was throughout the whole night was the
stock saw race, and that was the second event, and
after I got that out of the way, I felt
pretty confident.

Speaker 21 (02:21:25):
You know.

Speaker 42 (02:21:26):
I started picking up a few more points, and I
managed to get on top of Braiden by a point
or a couple of points there. Leading into the hot saw,
I was pretty confident with the hot saw that if
needed be, I'd be able to cut between sort of
five and six seconds. But all I had to do
was beat Braiden in the hot saw, and he had
a little bubble. I don't know if you've seen it,
he had a little bubble with his first cut, So

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that sort of allowed me to, yeah, just give me
a bit more time on that second or third cut
to line them up properly and make sure of it.

Speaker 3 (02:21:58):
Yeah, you were second last year, Jack, How much did
that second place finish and narrow second place finished last year.
Drive you in the twelve month it's leading up to
this year's event.

Speaker 42 (02:22:10):
It's the feeling of coming home being beaten. You know,
you put all that hard work and training into it,
and you gave it there. If you come up short,
that travel home so you're flying, I don't know what
it is, twenty four twenty five hours home. It's it's
the feeling of disappointment all the way home. I suppose
that's what drove me this year. And yeah, the training,

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it's I guess that's what pushed me harder.

Speaker 3 (02:22:34):
You was it the hot sal last year? Did you
have a bobble or a little little incident on the
hot seal last year?

Speaker 14 (02:22:41):
Yeah, yeah, it was it was.

Speaker 42 (02:22:43):
I could have won it with the hot Sal last year,
but I come and Sibey would just so I had
to go back for a fourth fourth disc. So yeah,
with that happening last year, I sort of put a
fair bit into it into that one event this Yeah,
just to make sure. And I guess that's why I
felt reasonably confident when it comes down to it, that
all I had to do was, you know, beat Braiden.

(02:23:05):
And yeah, when you've.

Speaker 3 (02:23:07):
Got six disciplines to focus on in terms of preparing
for an event like this, how do you divide your time?
Do you try and get better on your strong events
or do you try and betterer times on the ones
that perhaps are your weaker disciplines.

Speaker 42 (02:23:23):
Yeah, it's funny to say that my strongest two events
are the underhand and standing block, and going into this event,
I sort of I put those to the side. And
I wouldn't say I didn't train them, but I certainly
didn't train them anywhere near as hard, and quite often
I might only cut one of them each night instead

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of doing multiple. I put everything into the other events,
which was especially three events which were me weaker events,
and as it turned out on the night, they were
me strongest three events. So yeah, funny how it works.
But yeah, I guess that's what feels so good.

Speaker 14 (02:24:02):
When you win. You know those events paid off. Yeah.

Speaker 42 (02:24:05):
Do you get nervous, Yeah, for sure, you get nervous.
Like I stayed before that stocks All race. I don't
think I've ever been so nervous before an event. I
think I trained that event so much. I probably overtrained
a little bit and I started, Yeah, I started losing
a bit of confidence and started putting the saw in

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the wrong place, and I was just so scared of
getting the DQ. But yeah, I come out lucky enough
to manage to win that event. So yeah, you're getting
that one done and getting the winning that event. It
was a huge relief and sort of setting me up
for the rest of the night.

Speaker 3 (02:24:40):
Yeah, over three thousand fans pecked into watch. What was
the atmosphere?

Speaker 14 (02:24:44):
Like, Yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 42 (02:24:47):
I sort of I'm pretty good at blocking that out,
so I hardly hear the noise and all I sort
of see when I'm up on stage is all the
lights sort of flickering here and there, all the different
lights I've got going. So yeah, it's pretty good atmosphere,
but I probably don't take it in to the same
extent as what other people do. I try and sort
of blow it out and focus on what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (02:25:07):
Yeah, so now you're defending champion. Will you go back
to defend next year?

Speaker 42 (02:25:13):
Well, we've got to qualify for it at the real game,
so only one person from each country gets to compete
in that event. So yeah, throughout our season, I guess
everything sort of leads to that one day and hopefully
I can go good enough to qualify again and get
back there.

Speaker 14 (02:25:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:25:30):
So when when is that day?

Speaker 14 (02:25:33):
I think it's the second weekend of March. I could
be wrong, but yeah, it's in March sometime. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:25:37):
So so just so the wood chopping season is that
is that? Is it sum a summer sport here.

Speaker 22 (02:25:43):
In New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (02:25:44):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 42 (02:25:45):
So everyone else is sort of coming to the end
of their season, whereas our season hasn't started over here,
so it's a little bit different for us with sort
of we've had a breakover wind or had a bit
of a break and we you know, we've got to
start training. Yeah, training from scratch, which is probably a
little bit different to other people, but that's where we're

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going to train so hard at home, I guess.

Speaker 14 (02:26:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:26:09):
And do you still have a deep motivation for this, Jack?
I mean, you know, obviously you had that. I guess
you call it a rock under the beach towel of
having finished second last time you've won it. Now, do
you still feel as though you'll have motivation to, you know,
to continue to strive for improvement and for excellence.

Speaker 14 (02:26:27):
Yeah, for sure, moving forward to next year, I'd want.

Speaker 42 (02:26:31):
To win it, just as much as what it did
leading up to this year, so I don't think anything
would change.

Speaker 3 (02:26:35):
To me there. Wonderful well. Congratulations Jack, amazing news over
Labor weekend back here that you had become a world champion.
Thanks for joining us this afternoon, mate and telling us
all about it. We'll look forward to seeing how the
summer plays out for you.

Speaker 14 (02:26:48):
Hi, Thank you very much, really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:26:50):
No, I appreciate you joining us, Jack. Thanks indeed, Jack
Jordan our top AxMan still timber Sports World champion in
the individual event last weekend for the first time the
six different wood chopping and soaring disciplines and a winner,
Jack Jordan, ahead of eleven others in Milan, Italy last weekend,
coming up twenty four to three. Some football four years shortly,

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just back to the baseball momentarily bottom of the fourth.
There was an incident a short time ago where the batter,
one of the Dodgers batters. I think it was one
of the Blue Jays. Probably doesn't matter in terms of
the story I'm going to tell. I think it was
a Dodger's batter was hit by a Toronto pitch, but
it wasn't one that you know, in the head or anything.

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It kind of grazed past his gloves as it went through,
and there was just a big set to and all
of a sudden, both teams, the dugouts cleared, and not
just the dugouts, but players were coming from everywhere. There
wasn't necessarily a lot of physical contact out there, but
it was just like it was just like all these

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players just appeared out on the diamonds, sort of squaring
up to one another in a show of testosterone more
than anything else. They're back playing now, thankfully, and three
one of those to the Toronto Blue Jays against the
Los Angeles Dodgers. This is Game seven, of course, the
winner will win the Baseball World Series. Text through here

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I love tim of sports. Kiwis have always done well
as a competitive AX thrower in the World AX Throwing League.
I haven't added interest the World AX Throwing League. We
need to get a bit of that on Andy. We
need to get some X throwing on the on the
station onto Weekend Sport, see if we can find it
a bit more about that twenty two to three. Back

(02:28:42):
in a sec. We'll get inside the Wellington Phoenix women's
camp ahead of their season opening next Saturday.

Speaker 1 (02:28:46):
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Speaker 3 (02:28:56):
MB coming up nineteen away from three. Good win for
Auckland FC yesterday in the A League Men's competition over
Adelaide United, a team they had never previously beaten in
the A League couple of draws last season, a late
goal from Louis Vastrata giving Auckland FC the win. They
go to the top of the table. The Wellington Phoenix
men are in action tonight in Gosford on the New

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South Wales Central Coast against the Central Coast Mariners. If
the Phoenix were to win that game by any margin,
they would go to the top of the table and
next weekend it's Derby Number one Wellington Phoenix Auckland FC
sky Stadium next Saturday night, seven o'clock kickoff. The early
game next Saturday, as part of the double header, is
the first game of the season for the Wellington Phoenix

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women and there is a high degree of excitement around
about the women's side. This season. The Phoenix have signed
some exciting new players, including current Football Ferns goalkeeper Vic Essen,
also CJ Bott and Macy Fraser who's returned to the club.
They also have five new overseas import players. One of
those is former Dutch international Tessel Midach, who has spent

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the last four season at Rangers in Scotland, where she
won six trophies, after also lifting silverware in England and
in the Netherlands. She's been capped forty four times by
her country at senior level and played in the twenty
fifteen FIFA Women's World Cup in Canada. Had the opportunity
to catch up with Tissau Medaka recently to ask how

(02:30:26):
she was settling into Wellington and how the move to
the Phoenix had come about.

Speaker 23 (02:30:31):
First of all, thank you for the welcome. It's been
great to be here in Wellington and New Zealand five
weeks now and I'm really enjoying it. So how this
whole move came about? So after four years at Rangers
and in Glasgow in Scotland, I think I was ready
for something, something new, And when you're at my age
thirty two years old, it's like okay, what ye are?

(02:30:52):
What are we going to do? What am I going
to do. I'm from the Netherlands, so part of me
I was like, should I sort of maybe try and
finish the last years of my career back home in
a Dutch league that is improving every year for the
first five years of my yeah, my professional career before
I moved abroad. Or am I going to continue this

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this wonderful adventure that an international football career is. And
I opted yeah for the last Yeah, that lasts a
second option. It helps that my my partner is a
New Zealander, so that, yeah, made it a bit easier
to make this decision to to come to New Zealand
when the option arose, when when Ington Phoenix was was interested.

(02:31:40):
So yeah, an opportunity for me to to get to
know this country a little bit better and to explore
yet another league.

Speaker 3 (02:31:46):
So you've been here about five weeks now. Was it
what you expected? I know the games haven't started yet,
but as the country and the club, what what you
expected it to be?

Speaker 21 (02:31:56):
Well?

Speaker 23 (02:31:56):
I wasn't really sure what I had expected. I've I've
had a i QV partner for almost three years, so
I feel like I'm not completely nude to Yeah. Two
key with culture or to you know, the bicultural, part
sort of former British and part Maudi culture that that
we have here in in this beautiful country. So but

(02:32:20):
but still to experience the first Hakka life myself, and
to learn a few wayata, a few songs that we
sang together with the local ei here in Wellington. Those
moments have been very special. In those first four weeks,
four to five weeks here, we had a dawnce ceremony
at six am upon mind fig. So I feel like
those have been experiences that have surpassed my my expectations.

(02:32:44):
I think, I think makes it all the more worthwhile.
Not just here to play football, but I'm here to
to learn a bit about this country and the culture
as well. So I think my my first experiences have
surpassed my expectations. And I've also really been enjoying my
football on the bitch.

Speaker 3 (02:33:01):
Let's talk a bit about that. I know you've played
previously in midfield, but a lot of your football at
range was at center back. Is that the role that
bit of priestmans most likely to use you in here
on Wellington and as part of the back four.

Speaker 23 (02:33:14):
Well, it's not always a back four that we play,
so back three at times. So it depends a little
bit on the yeah, I think, availability of players and
on the opposition that we play, and also a little
bit on the yeah, the style that a manager prefers.
So I've been in midfielder my whole life, and when
Joe Potter, our previous manager at Rangers, came in two
years into my time at Rangers, she sort of transferred

(02:33:37):
me into a into a center back and we went
from a four three three to a three five two.
So this was one of the This is maybe very
technical for the for the listeners, by the way, but
I transformed into being one of the three center backs.
So I'm not your classical center back, but one that
was allowed to, you know, step into midfield and still
do what I can do best, which is, you know,

(02:33:57):
passes passes forwards. So yeah, it depends a little bit
on what what the coaches want. And I think that
has seen any coaching staff have seen me now for
a few weeks in training and in three friendly games
that we've played, so I think you'll see a little
bit of a mix of me this season. Maybe I'll
play more to the midfielder than I have done in

(02:34:20):
the last two years. At Rangers anyway, which I'm enjoying
when I play there in games or in training sessions.
It just allows me to be a little bit higher
up the bitch and be a bit more involved in
the action in the opposition books. But I'll still be
able to do a job at center back as well.
So I think it depends a little bit on numbers
as well and availability.

Speaker 3 (02:34:41):
How do you assist the squad that has been a
symbol here You're obviously a big part of it and
the other important players, but a lot of young kiwis
as well. How do you evaluate the strength of the squad?

Speaker 23 (02:34:51):
Yeah, I think there's a lot of talent in the room,
which is exciting. We have a few older experienced players
like myself, but there's a very big group of very
talented young girls. A lot of them have been away
actually or are going away with the under seventeens on
the nineteens under twenties, so that's been great to see
good experience for them, which hopefully they'll yeah, learn from

(02:35:13):
and bring back to the Phoenix environment. Yeah, I think
I'm very excited about, yeah, what we can do this season.
I think it's important to try and get everyone fit
so that we can utilize the strength that this squad has.
We are I think we can still sign one more
visa players, So I'm excited. I have no idea who

(02:35:37):
that might be. I don't know if the coaches know,
but that would be even better to add another number
to the squad that we have. So I'm excited about
what we can do.

Speaker 3 (02:35:48):
And you bring a vast amount of experience to the squad.
You've mentioned your age a couple of times. You shouldn't
do that. You still got plenty of time lift, I'm sure,
but you are coming into an environment where you are,
you know, able to bring experience, international experience some of
the biggest clubs in Europe. Do you feel a desire
to pass that experience onto some of the younger members

(02:36:08):
of the time.

Speaker 23 (02:36:09):
Yeah, I do, And it's not something that that I've
always had, but it sort of comes naturally when you yeah,
when you get a bit more experienced, shall we say so,
it is something that comes natural to me. Yeah, I
really like seeing players, younger players developed. For example, we
have in pf Flock, we have a seventeen year old

(02:36:31):
and it's just so exciting what you know she can
achieve in the next well in this season to come
and then in the next years, and I do, of
course want to play my part. I've done my coaching
batches last year in Scotland, so I've got my uif
I C and uif I BE coaching license. Probably there's
probably an equivalent here of the the Oceania versions of

(02:36:54):
those coaching batches. But yeah, I've done a bit of
coaching with the Rangers Skills Academy last year to get
some experience in coaching and it's something that I'm currently
still assessing. It's been pretty full on. But if I
could potentially do something similar here the Phoenix Girls or
boys or both, but in the academy working with younger players,

(02:37:14):
because that is something that excites me.

Speaker 3 (02:37:16):
All right. And to finish, you've been part of teams
that have been successful, that have one trophies. What are
the hallmarks, the royal building blocks of successful teams.

Speaker 23 (02:37:26):
Well, we're obviously still building. So the one of the
blocks would be getting absolute technical clarity on what the
coaches want in and out of possession. But that's yeah,
that's a bit dry and a bit basic. But then
you know, we need to understand our roles and especially
me as someone who likes to you know, who has
been tasked to communicate as much as I can. I

(02:37:48):
need to fully understand when and where do we want
to press, how do we keep possession of the ball.
But then if we want to take it to the
next level, which we want to do, we want to
do something that's never been done before. I think in
the tough moments, that's when when you can see the
character of a team. Yeah, the strength of a team.
When we're one nailed down, are we able to to

(02:38:09):
to score us two goals to win us the game?
So that's when I think we need to be comfortable, Yeah, communicating.
Of course at times we've we've done a whole workship
on communication last week. We can you know, all get
into our own shelves. Like that's when you see, like
do you have players in the team, whether you're young

(02:38:30):
or old, but who can you know take the game
by the scruff of the neck, whether it's with a tackle,
with a with a brilliant past, with an individual, brilliant
like an action going past two players and scoring a goal.
That's sort of what we need to see if we
want to if we want to be successful this season
and I'm very excited about the possibilities here.

Speaker 3 (02:38:49):
That is the very impressive new acquisition, or one of
the new acquisitions for the Wellington Phoenix women's side, former
Dutch international Tessel Midach, who will be a big part
of this team this season. Their first game is a
home game next Saturday, sky Stadium against Canberra, followed by
the first derby in the A League men's Wellington Phoenix
and Auckland FC. So big day of football coming next

(02:39:12):
Saturday at sky Stadium in the Capitol. Nine to three
News Talk's.

Speaker 1 (02:39:16):
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Speaker 3 (02:39:25):
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