Full Show Podcast: 04 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Thek you cud, Good afternoon. Welcome into the Saturday edition
of Weekend Sport on News Talks NB for October four.
Happy twenty ninth birthday to one test All Blacks first
five Brett Cameron, and Happy sixty fifth to former All
Blacks front rower and enforcer Kevin Borovich. I'm Jason Pine
here talking sport until three. It does I have to
say seema, but on not broadcasting from a bar somewhere,

(00:53):
as I've been lucky enough to do several times over
the last few weekends. Back in studio today, but with
a brilliant lineup for you this afternoon after two. One
of our best ever basketballers and now one of the
world's foremost sporting executives. Brooklyn Nets general manager Sean Marks
joins us ahead of the new NBA season getting under way.

(01:16):
He's with us after the two o'clock News. I hope
you can stick around until the end to hear from
Sean Marks. We're also going to cover off this ongoing
netball saga as well as we can. It still doesn't
seem to have any resolution in sight. Days of meetings
and mediation haven't got us to a finishing point yet.

(01:36):
Leading employment lawyer and partner at Taverndale and Partners, Anthony
Dracers with us after one to I gle just give
us some insight into what meetings and mediation of the
sort looks like and whether the longer it goes on,
does that mean we're more likely or less likely to
get a resolution. So we'll cover that after one. Rugby

(01:57):
first up today though bleed Ushoe Cup Test two tonight
in Perth. Wallaby's legend and now Rugby Australia President Nathan
Sharp is with shortly. They're very keen to read your
pulse on this. Here your thoughts on the game, the
All Blacks team that has been selected and how you
see it playing out a bit later on tonight. Other
matters around today. Black Caps coach Rob Walters on the show.

(02:18):
Game two of the three match at Chapel Hadley series
washed out after just thirteen deliveries last night. But how
is Rob Walter settling into the role of head coach
after four months in that job now? Going to find
out this afternoon. Just having a look at the forecast
for Mount monganow we actually it's a bit more promising,
I must say, for seven o'clock onwards tonight, so maybe

(02:39):
we will get decent crack at game three in the
Chapel Hadley. The NRL's Dallym Awards were held on Wednesday night.
Warriors forward Aaron Clark named Locke of the Year. Going
to chat to him today about that and his standout season.
Adam Peacock as usual on a Saturday with Australian Sporting
Matters and we'll play a sporting chance with the tab
your chance to first of all, win a one hundred

(03:01):
and fifty dollars bonus bet and then have a punt
with it and keep the winnings if that bet comes in.
Whole heap of live sport to keep an eye on
this afternoon while we're on the air. The New Zealand
Under twenty men's football side have just kicked off against
Japan in their third and final pall match at the
FIFA Under twenty World Cup in Chile. They need a
draw or a win to ensure progress to the knockout rounds.

(03:23):
A loss wouldn't be terminal, but it would make things
a bit more difficult. Going to keep you updated, dar
Nila All after nine minutes. Olympic champion Finn Butcher is
in round one of his specialist event, the kayak cross
at the World Champs in Sydney. He goes around five
past two, having narrowly missed the podium in the canoe
slalom yesterday. He was fourth in that event. Farah Palmer

(03:44):
Cup Final wha cut or Canterbury FMG Stadium, Hamilton from
quarter past one, final round of the NPC as well
before the playoffs. Auckland against Otago at Auckland Grammar School
five past two. Otago can go top and put pressure
on Canterbury if they win that this will be Auckland's
last game of the season regardless. Wellington against Bay of
Plenty at Jerry Collins Stadium. At the same time, Wellington

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can't make the top eight even if they win. They
have Plenty are secure in the top eight. They could
even move into the top three depending on other results
and the last round robin matches in the Hartland Championship
as well before the playoffs next weekend games in Masterton, Ashburton,
Timodo Fong, we can do a Torria and Graymouth to
keep an eye on. We would love to have you
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Speaker 3 (04:49):
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Speaker 2 (04:51):
Led us low tow Tonight ten forty five New Zealand
Time All blacksby Wallabies and are sold out OPTAs Stadium
in Perth for commentary here on News Talks. There'd be
a great pleasure to welcome in one of Australia's all
time great lockforwards Australia again here lock him Shoppers.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
With him the big time just as two looking all
those got one last week against the spring Books, but
this one close to the sticks.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Super try from the men in Gold, Nathan Sharp.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
No better player to have that plast to the line.
Nathan Sharp debut for the Wallabies in two thousand and two,
was named Rookie of the Year that year, and across
a glittering decade long career, he attended three Rugby World Cups,
captain his country ten times, was a two time John
Eels medallist as Australian Rugby Player of the Year, and

(05:42):
played one hundred and sixteen Test matches for Australia. He
played fifteen seasons of Super Rugby, the first eight of
those for the Reds and from two thousand and six
on for the Force, where he was the franchise's inaugural captain.
Earlier this year, he was appointed as President of Rugby Australia.
Nathan sharpers with us. Nathan, thanks for taking the time

(06:04):
on match day. You've got a very strong association with
Western Australia, as I say, having been the Western Forces
inaugural captain. So how much are you looking forward to
such a big occasion in Perth tonight?

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Hey going, Jason, thanks for your introduction matter. It seems
like a long time ago, mate, I've forgotten and done
through of those things. So it's nice to think about
me rightdown and then But look mate, as you suggested,
they're being in Western Australia and you know, a capacity
house tonight, it's a it's an amazing journey.

Speaker 7 (06:34):
I suppose the Western.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Australian rugby has come on that you know, from when
we first came here and expanded the footprint with in Australia.
You know, who would have thought that, you know, at
of the stadient tonight, full full house watching a Ledderslow
and we watch what's going to be a competitive game,
I think, well.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Without question, I want to talk about the game in
a moment. But as far as the development and progress
of the Wallabies under Joe Schmidt's coaching, how have you
assessed that.

Speaker 8 (07:01):
He's been outstanding?

Speaker 6 (07:03):
You know, I'd follow Joe from from Afar for a
long period of time and never had the oportunity to
meet him or or be coached by him, but certainly
impressed with the impact that he's had on all the
teams that he's worked with. And I think you know,
for us as Wallaby's supporters, you know, and being part
of that community here in Australia. It was really important
on the back of the World Cup in twenty twenty

(07:24):
three when we had a lot of players that were
almost broken by that experience. And I think the way
that Joe approaches things around his connection and his care
you know, his values and integrity, he's brought that into
the team and you know, for one of the words,
healed that team and now they're starting to build something
pretty spressure and I think you can see that in

(07:45):
the way that they've approached a lot of the games
this year. At times they haven't played the best football,
but they've managed to find a way to get things done.
And if you've watched enough sport, and I'm sure all
your listeners do, those teams that seem to find a
way are the ones that you know something special is
happening culturally. So you know, a bit of work for
the world is to do still in terms of execution
and accuracy. But what he's done culture has been magnificent.

(08:08):
And you know what a great reflection on on on
that New Zealand culture that he's brought to the team
within Australia.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Will you talk about finding a way? Did you think
the long wait for a win at Eden Park might
be coming last weekend.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Look, I was hopeful. It's one of those things that
you know, I was involved in the last one in
two thousand and two, and you sort of you wanted
the opportunity to contest it. You know, I did that
a few times in my career. You know, we got
to you get to that one all situation and you
don't get your hands on it. But this year I
think was the best opportunity we had in a long time.
And you know, credits for the All Blacks. They came

(08:49):
back from a hiding the week before and they're always
going to be tough eating Park, but I did think
there was a there was a bit of a chance there.
And having said that, I think the Wallabies, you know,
they probably if they're really clinical on it, they didn't
really make makes that opportunity. And you've got to take
the referee out of it, because you know, I thought

(09:09):
both teams probably had a bit of an opportunity to
talk about that. If they controlled what they could control,
I think they'd be a bit disappointed. They weren't quite
as accurate in a lot of areas and you can
see that in the penalty account. You can see that
in the turnovers and the unforced eras. So this weekend
I think they'll be looking to rectify that situation, but
unfortunately it won't.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Be for the But at those times, well, I think
most of our listeners, in fact, the vast majority, would
prefer a three game series where you know it's alive
and it was a live Tonight, that's not to be.
But I'm not sure that that dilutes Australia's desire in
any way, does it, Nathan. You'd imagine there'd be a
fairly committed a bunch of men and Green and Gold
tonight trying to square this up.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
Look, I don't think it changed anything for the Wall
of Is. You know, they'll be wanting to get a
win against New Zealand on home soil. And you know,
I know from my time as a player, was lucky
enough to be in teams that were, you know, one
to three best teams in the world. But it's just
funny in the Australian psyche. You know, we could beat
every team in the world comfortably and then we'd lose

(10:14):
the letders through one old draw or something like that,
and you'd walk down the street and people go like, oh,
you got a rubbish because he didn't beat New Zealand.
So I can tell you there is plenty on the
line tonight for the Australian all these they're going to
want that win and become away from this campaign with
a one all status, one.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Hundred and sixteen test matches, you played against every rugby
nation in the world. How much did you relish your
battles with the All Blacks as a player?

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Look at that other highlight for me, you always knew
that it was going to be a game where you
only had limited chances and if you didn't take those
opportunities then one they would make you pay, But to
you just didn't get many from them. So you know,
I remember reviewing games and you say, well, there's one
or two moments there. They're really the only opportunities that

(11:01):
we got against New Zealand, and that was quite unique
because you could play other teams now certain strong in
some areas, but you know, the New Zealand team, the
All Blacks when we would play them, that was strong
across the board, just good athletically, good combination, team, great
culturally as well, and that sometimes is a difficult thing
to find. In international sport as a team that has

(11:24):
all those properties covered, you know. And one of the
things that I that I always reflect on, like, if
you played against so Africa, you knew it was going
to be a heavy day. You know, you're going to
be tackling big bodies and all the rest of it.
But when you played the All Blacks, you were going
to be tackling heavy players, athletic players, and you had
to chase them as well. You had to do everything,
So it was a tiring game. You knew were going
to be out on your feet at the end of the.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
End of it.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Where does you went over the All Blacks in the
two thousand and three Rugby World Cup semi final rate
among your most memorable matches in Green and Gold.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Yeah, Look, I think it's definitely in the top three
for me. And you know, yes one was the occasion
because you know the game previously that you know they
absolutely trounced us on the same oval, you know, maybe
six to eight weeks beforehand. But I think the thing
that sticks out for me the most is that and
people might not realize this, but New Zealand in that

(12:14):
sort of eighteen month period had been electric in terms
of scoring, tries off, counterattack, and turnover, and we effectively
change our game plan within a week. And the ability
to do that and then execute is something that still
sicks with me because that'st it easy thing to do
for a team that's been playing a specific way for
a couple of years to change that in six days
and then get the results. So, yeah, it does thick.

Speaker 7 (12:37):
That was me a lot.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
You often came up against the likes of Ali Williams
and Chris Jack and the All Black Second Road during
your time and the Wallabeest. What was your strategy, particularly
at lineout time against guys like that.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Well, it's funny, you know New Zealand for a long
period of time, that was their achilles here their line out,
and you know for us, we used to target that
for a long period and then you know, there came
a period of time where I think the All Blacks
recognize that and they put a lot of work into it.
They got a great athlete, Kiaran Reid coming into the
system and adding a third and fourth jumper really really

(13:11):
helped them. So they kind of went from you know
the bath house to the panhouse in that area. But
you know, playing against Ali and Chris Jack terrific competitors,
terrific all blacks and you know, I certainly was always
a huge challenge for myself and you know, mostly Dan
Vicken and Justin Harrison and to.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Tonight a big inclusion for the Wallabies. Will Skelton will
return to the second row. How big is that for
the Wallaby's having well back tonight?

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Well, he has a big body. I can start by
saying that I'm not sure if anyone's seen him in person,
that's he's an absolute monster. And I think that that's
that that size is one thing, but I think that
the other thing that helps the Wallbies in their current
state is that he's got a huge amount of experience
and brings a level of calmness to the team. They
love having him in there, knowing that he's there to

(14:02):
support them. He's experienced, he knows all the right but
to push the opposition and he's big enough to do it.
So he's quite talismanic for the Wallabies. And I would
have loved to have seen him. I would have loved
to have seen him on the pitch last week, but
it wasn't to be. And I think he's going to
relished opportunity tonight.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
And amongst all your other very the busy parts of
your life, you're now the President of Rugby Australia. What
does that role involve.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
Yeah, look, it's been a great experience. So I thought
Joe Ross finished up in March and I took over
from there for a two year term. And you know,
one of the things in that position, it really is
an advocacy role, so you know, trying to grow the
game and keep all the member unions in Australia and
the Wallaby is together exlllectively trying to drive for their

(14:47):
outcomes for Australian rugby and both the women's and the
men's games. So you know, from that perspective, I'm involved
in the strategic direction of where things are going in
Australian rugby and I think that you know, you can
see the results on the pitch, but certainly there's been
a lot of work done outside of that in the
last eighteen months by the Board and Civil War and
Dan Herbert to sort of correct the nose of that

(15:10):
we were looking out in twenty twenty three, and it's
more about picking that work up and continuing went on
to keep growing the game. Here but also making the
wordies you back to that sort of top three competitive
team in the world.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, just to finish. Then we are two years out
from a Rugby World Cup on Australian soil. Surely your
presidency goes to the end of that tournament, does it
or do you have to give it up before there?

Speaker 3 (15:29):
No, I've got to give it up last.

Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
I enjoying all these games on the sideline and you
know that we pulled away from me mate, so yeah, no,
it's good. I'll be at all those games and sitting
here in Perth, say to watch the game tonight, the
opening game of the World Cup in twenty twenty seven, Well,
was fantastic here off the stadium when in Australia takes on.
Who that is to be decided in the next period

(15:52):
of time.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Nathan, great to get the chance to chat to you
on game day. Thanks so much for being so accessible
to us and we all hope for a fantastic game
at the sold out stadium tonight.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Thanks for joining us O ourries enjoy Hey, thanks thank you.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Nathan. Nathan Sharp there one hundred and sixty Test Wallaby's lock,
President of Rugby Australia, and as you can hear, they're
a pretty articulate bloke on rugby matters. Let's get your
thoughts now, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll
talk from rugby. We'll obviously wrap the game tomorrow in
great detail once we know what has played out tonight.
But a chance now to get some thoughts from you

(16:24):
on the All Blacks search for consistency. Really, that's the
thing I'm keen to see. The last five tests which
have made up the Rugby Championship, beat Argentina, lost to Argentina,
beat South Africa, lost to South Africa, beat Australia a
week ago. Can they buck the trend that they've followed
in the Rugby Championship and win back to back matches

(16:46):
the All Blacks, Well, of course they can. I feel
like they will. I feel like there will. I feel
like they wouldn't tonight. Yeah, there's been consistent and constant
improvement under Joe Schmidt by the Wallabies, but they too
are searching for consistency and what's been a very busy
year for them, A two to one SA loss to

(17:07):
the British and Irish Lions, a win and a loss
against South Africa, a win and a loss against Argentina
and a loss to the All Blacks last week. So
much as they have been impressive at times and much
much better than last year, and that was a low bar,
I know, with the shambles that Eddie Jones left behind,
they've still the Wallabies won just three of their eight

(17:28):
Test matches this year. They will take heart from last week,
no doubt about that. Coming back from what were they
twenty points to three down to get to within three
at halftime. It was twenty points to seventeen at half time.
They got to within two points after seventy minutes before
Camroy Guards try sealed it for the All Blacks. They'll

(17:49):
feel as though they're not that far away and with
a packed house behind them some key players back James
Slipper's final Test, they'll be well up for it, even
without the Bledisloe to play for, and just on the Bledisloe.
Don't you think if it's going to be a two
game series as it is for the most part now

(18:12):
due to a packed calendar and being unable to fit
a third Test in, don't you think the Bledisloe Cup
should be done on aggregate? It's far too heavily weighted
in our favor. When there's only two Test matches, all
you have to do is win one of them. When
I say all you have to do, well, that's been enough.

(18:32):
I mean there have been three Test series, I know,
since we took it off Australia back in two thousand
and three and haven't relinquished it since. But don't you
think it would be better if it was done on aggregate?
So what we won by nine last week? So the
Australians knew if they went out there tonight and won
by ten or more then they would take the Bledisloe Cup.

(18:53):
Isn't that a fairer system? Isn't that a much better
way of doing it? I know tonight is an occasion
in itself, but the Bledisloe Cup should be on the line,
shouldn't it. If it's going to be a two Test series,
make it aggregate? Speaking of occasions, the All Blacks have
played their best rugby this year at Eden Park, defending

(19:15):
the Fortress against both South Africa and Australia, snapping a
four game losing streak against the Springboks, and celebrating ARTI's
one hundredth Test match that was last month keeping the
Bledislow locked away last weekend. They've got up for occasions.
Now tonight doesn't have the same jeopardy about it. There's
no fortress to defend, and as I say, there's no
silverware on the line as far as the Bledisloe is concerned.

(19:38):
But these are the All Blacks. They shouldn't need an
occasion to get up for. Should they? Playing for the
All Blacks? Is the occasion?

Speaker 9 (19:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty anything you want to
pick up on. Haven't even mentioned the team, which I've
got some thoughts on. But let's get to the lines.

Speaker 7 (19:50):
Hey, James Jason, how are you, mate?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Very good, James, very good, Thank you mate.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
Lovely Hey, you must have been reading my Facebook post.
I've just been saying the same thing about doing the
football model and play it on aggregate of a two league.
A two league pie.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Doesn't otherwise Game two is effectively I hate the phrase,
but it's effectively a dead robber really in terms of
of the of the piece of silver where they're all chasing.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
Oh, it's crazy. And then you get all these idiots
posting all these memes mocking Australia for not having read
a sorry Cup for twenty years and it's just it's ludicrous.
So basically I'm going to watch tonight's game with interest
on the basis of the All Blacks going into it
with a seven plus or a plus seven lead and

(20:41):
essentially so they've still got the advantage. You haven't taken
that away from them. It just means that the Australians
have got to chase down seven points, but to get
it to zero zero, yep, And that's there's the best
intrast factor there in itself. Quick work on a tago.
I hope they've been training for where the rugby all week.

(21:03):
It's cooking pretty bad all in the country and I
just I just wanted to say the other thing that's
with the target game. Everyone's been making a big deal
out of all these changes. There's been very little changes.
If you scrutinize the the game day twenty three. I mean,
Lucas Casey's dropped out altogether. He's had a barn storming season,

(21:23):
but he's replaced by Slag McDowell and that guy's a beast.
You've got Placher on the bench, replaced by a proven,
very very capable super rugby halfback. You know, I think
Nadeki gopped out altogether, but still the back line is
pretty much. Guys have been playing all season. You've got

(21:45):
Ollie Haiges coming to Lock. He's played so he's played
so rugby for the Islanders at Locke. Nomadi's on the bench.
I mean it's had a good target team despite the changes.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh with that question, I'm just looking at it now
as you're raiding it out there, James. I mean Christian
Leo will He's still there, you know. Will Taka is
a very good lockforward. Liam Coltman, he of one hundred
games now for the Otago side and a former All Black. Look,
I think they'll beat Auckland this afternoon and they could
look Otago could win the MPC. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
They've been very good this year, absolutely, and she just
as a quicker side. Before I finish on a I'm
an Arsenal fan. You won't like to hear that, but
I'm probably probably North London is Lillington born. Arsenal's the family,
the family team. So here's a scenario for your piney

(22:43):
Tiger get up beat Auckland today. Arsenal beat west Ham.
So what that could mean is I'll be watching the
I won't watch it live. I'll probably get up watch
the Arsenal game about nine am blade and then if
we'll be west Ham then I'll probably very likely to
stay up and watch the entire Liverpool game to see

(23:05):
if we can spot. And then I've got the Taranaki
Canterbury game with some skin in that one as well
for Taranaki to be Cannbury so it Targa can finish
top as well. So there's there's my Sunday for your piney.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Absolutely brilliant, James, Absolutely I love that. Look you You
sound like you approach your weekends in the same way
that I do. You look at the sporting fixtures across
a variety of codes and you sort yourself out and
do the other stuff in between. Great to chat to you, mate,
Look I look. I I mean, yes, you know, I'm
a Liverpool fan, but like look, I I've admired Arsenal

(23:42):
and what they've been doing. Did you see Bournemouth are
up to second now they had to win this morning
over Fulham, So I mean it's great to see, you know,
a lesser light of the Premier League, you know, doing well.
But mate, look I'll be thinking of you as I
too watch many of the same fixtures that you will
be over the next sort of twenty four hours or so.
Good to chat to you, James, Thanks indeed, mate, twelve
thirty one on news talks here, But let's talk some

(24:02):
All Blacks. O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is our number the team tonight. We're going to talk
about that in a secon. Do you feel confident that
All Blacks can go back to back for the first
time since what the back end of They won the
third Test against France, didn't they and then the first
one against Argentina, So since then we haven't had back
to back wins in the Bledisloe Cup. Surely it should

(24:25):
be an aggregate situation, shouldn't it. If we're only going
to play two tests, then surely aggregate comes into play. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more of
your calls after this.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
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Speaker 2 (24:45):
That'd be twenty six to one. Just kind of message
from a very good friend of mine, who says, did
I just hear you publicly announce Piney that you admire Arsenal? Wow?
Oh jeep, Sorry mate, Yes, I did say that. I
did say that a couple of suggestions on the bledisloe
should be up every game like the Ranfurley Shield. Not
in favor of that.

Speaker 10 (25:03):
Not for me.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's a series still a set. But if there are
two games, surely agriget comes into it. John, Hi, mate, Oh.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
Mate, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
John? Good?

Speaker 8 (25:14):
Good.

Speaker 11 (25:15):
He just looking forward to the game this weekend. However,
just wondering what you thought so on Razor, I've sort
of given him a year and a half and which
is just to be able to come up now with
his tenure top with concerns. I don't see a game plan.
I don't see the All Blacks evolving too much. And
the biggest thing is is that, for example, Rico Yuani

(25:40):
at center, I put it back to man, he was
a blockblusting wing talking ten years to develop into a
passing second five and a kicking second five. I don't
think we're actually giving young guys to go to evolve themselves.
And just wondering what your thoughts are because I actually

(26:01):
don't see a pathway here at the moment at all.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
We're just on the Rico thing. I think he's been
given a fair cracket center under Razor and previously under
Ian Foster. I think he's had four years there, John,
So I think he's been given a decent crack and
they were keen to look at other options there. I
think he's given Billy Proctor a decent crack and it
hasn't quite worked out for Billy in the way that
I'm sure he would have hoped for. So tonight it's

(26:25):
Quinta Pie, which does interest me because I don't think
Quinta Pie has ever played center that I can remember.
He's a second five. I know the positions aren't aren't
that dissimilar, but they are. They do have their own nuances,
so that interests me. I think to answer your original question, John,
I think there's still the jury's still very much out
on Scott Robertson as All Blacks coach. And here we are,

(26:45):
you know, coming. I guess we're two thirds of the
way through his second year, coming up halfway through the
World Cup cycle. Look put it this way, mate, he
wouldn't want to lose too many more test matches this
year exactly.

Speaker 11 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
But John, one thing I will say is that he's
talked about this four four four four deep in every
position over four years to win a fourth World Cup.
I had a check yesterday. He's used fifty five blokes.
Fifty five guys have worn the black jersey since Raser
took over, so at least he's given it a crack
at building depth. Yees. Some of those have been tried

(27:19):
and then discarded. But he's he's he is giving out opportunities.
And if you're going to do that, the first two
years of a Rugby World Cup cycle are surely when
you do it.

Speaker 12 (27:28):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (27:29):
So what's your thoughts on the centers combination? Because you
know I loved it at the apprenticeship Tim Horn and
little Head against Joe Stanley. Everley got flogged, but hello,
two three years later they won a World Cup. Are
we embracing that enough or not?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Good question, John, Yell. When you think about it's hard
to talk about a center or a second five in isolation,
isn't it, Because you think about one and you often
get another. Walter Little and Frank buntz Unnona who you mentioned,
and Conrad Smith you know Little and you know Jason
Litlan and Tim Horne, as you said either way, Yeah,
so I think Jordi Barrett's the second five. I just

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and they clearly wanted to give Billy Procter the chance
to be thirteen, and he might still be, but again
he hasn't he hasn't locked in that place for me.
So I don't know who the thirteen is. It's a
long when we're saying I don't know who the thirteen is.

Speaker 11 (28:26):
John, Now, well, that's the thing is like we've got
all these big ball running players and we could put
two three in there, but where's our distribution guy? You know,
the guy Anthony Brown is being a little older to
understand that, but the guy with the silkie skills that
can pop the ball left and right, the compliment the
likes of Jordi Barrett or of proper you know, and

(28:49):
just yeah, just the Christian marker out with Raiser. I'm
the big fan of Jamie Joseph and what he did
with the Highlanders, a win that that high out the
scale of rugby playing at a high tempo. I love
their heads up Rudby. I don't like the pod system
and we've seen to be sort of fun. Feels like
you're blacked a just here to lose instead of being

(29:12):
playing the game. What's in front of him, you know?
And Beth Moony grow up at the moment.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Good chat John, good chat mate, Great to chatty you
thanks for calling in and making some really good points. Midfielders.
I mentioned the fifty five players that Scott Robertson has used.
Jordi Barrett, David Harvelli who's not in the current squad,
Anton Lenart Brown, Billy Procter, to Mathy Tavatava Nahwai injured
at the moment obviously, and Quinsupaya. Those are the six
midfielders that Scott Robertson has used. He hasn't used Braydon Enor,

(29:40):
who was still contracted to New Zealand Rugby and who
played a lot of rugby under Razor at the Crusaders. Yeah.
I think most people think Jordi Barrett is the best
second five. Having said that, I've seen a lot of
people suggested you go back to fullback and we should
look at something doing something different in midfield, but no
one has. No one has locked in the thirteen jumper,

(30:03):
no one's done that yet.

Speaker 7 (30:04):
Hi Jamie, Kay, Jason, You're right.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm good, Jamie. How are you feeling the same tonight?

Speaker 8 (30:10):
Good?

Speaker 7 (30:11):
Good?

Speaker 13 (30:12):
And yeah, I just wanted to say that, Yeah, the
game tonight. Yeah, hopefully the bits will go back it
up again, you know, just put to to get two
ones together for a change, you know. But I also, yeah,
I think Australia will be stronger tonight with especially with
with Skelton and Valatini back for then they'll be there'll

(30:34):
be pretty big for them, so playing in front of
our home crowd. So I think you'll be a really
really good test tonight. In terms of the Breeder side, yeah,
I think it's if it's a two series, and yeah
it should be on get you know, it's this this
sort of like it's a you know, it's sort of
like a bit of a bit of a fat thing,
you know, the game this week. But I also I

(30:56):
was even another suggestion. I mean, I'm not sure if
you'd be on board with this, pointy, but I reckon.
If I reckon, they should probably have a one off
around around Anti weekend. Obviously that's going to crash with
Super Rugby, but I think it was just a one
off game on Seas that weekend, and and then if
you're if you and at the lose gay, well, if

(31:18):
they want to get a bet, they can have the
two games during the Rugby Championship having to win both.
I don't know what do you feel about something like that?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, I'm starting to come round to that idea, Jamie.
I must say, when it was first patched, I guess
the the realist and me said, okay, well, how how's
that going to work in the middle of Super Rugby,
Because you know, the players would need to leave their
Super Rugby franchises for at least a week before the
ANZAC Test and then recover afterwards. So you're probably looking

(31:47):
at our top players missing two games of Super Rugby
and then you say to yourself, well, actually is that
is that? Is that necessarily catastrophic? I'm not sure that
it is. And if it achieves the aim as you've
outlined of having a three test series every year, one
at ANZAC weekend and then two as part of the
Rugby Championship, so we get rid of this two game

(32:08):
series which just seems to be a bit sort of
neither here nor there for me, then I don't actually
mind it. I'd like to hear more. I'd like to
hear more.

Speaker 13 (32:17):
Yeah, because I mean we've tried three game series in
the past, and I show this story even one of those.
I always figured it's the best chance of getting the
Beckers in the one off. But yeah, that's just what
I think anyway.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, good thoughts, Jamie. Always good to chat mate.
Thanks for calling in oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
Craig says, Jason, is it just me or does everyone
else think the Aussie rugby team play in orange? And
what color is that color? Gold? That's not orange, Crake,
that's not orange. You might need introduce some work on
the contrast on your TV. Orange is what the Dutch

(32:50):
football team where that's orange? Pretty sure that's yellow or
Australian gold as they call it over there. Craig. Thanks
for your text play points differentially across the two games,
the Wallabies win by more than nine tonight, they get
the cup. Brenda says, yes, you do have to win
two matches to get the Bledislow, assuming it's a three
match series. But when it's only two matches and the
hold it wins the first, then the next test is
a dead rubber. This has to change. Are we scared

(33:12):
to lose it?

Speaker 10 (33:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I think we're scared to lose it? And before we
go to the break bow, says Piney, being forever hopeful.
I've backed my Wallabies with a forty dollars thirteen plus
bet two hundred and sixty coming my way. Do you
honestly think they're going to let James Slipper bow out
with a loss at home? And for Joe as well?
You beauty bo good on your bow.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Look.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I hope for your I hope for your sake it happens.
I hope for my sake it doesn't. I want the
All Blacks to win every Test they play, seventeen to one.
Back with more calls after this.

Speaker 14 (33:40):
Don't get caught off.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Signed call eight hundred eighty eight Weekend Sports with Jason
Paine and GJ. Guvnobes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,
New Sogs.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
MV twelve forty six. Tony says it maybe weighted our way,
but if the Ossies held it, it would be equally
waited for them. To gain a championship. You must beat
the champ, not equal them. Many a boxer has continued
to hold their belt with a drawer. Thank you, Tony
Um and no, I've read that once, so we can
go back to the lines. Rob, Hello, mate, Rob just

(34:13):
turned that radio down. In the background. They made it
all confuse you because we're in delay just in case
you say something you shouldn't. So hopefully you've turned that down.
Well that's there, Rob, No, no, not there. There's going
to Mark Hi.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
Mark.

Speaker 15 (34:27):
Hey By. Yeah, I just want to mention the most
forgotten all Black coach who won a world championship last week,
John Mitchell. He seemed to fly.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
Under the raid.

Speaker 15 (34:40):
It seemed to fly under the raider, didn't it.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I guess I look, I I think we sort of
picked up on the fact that our old mate John
Mitchell was in charge of the England Read Roses and
has obviously done a very good job there. Yeah no, no,
I was. I was aware that he was there. Mark.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (34:58):
No, it didn't seem to really make the news or
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
To me.

Speaker 15 (35:02):
It's just interesting, really, I mean, it was also pretty
much the coach who and produced the rotation and the team,
didn't he really he? And now it's become sort of
basically what every every rugby team in the world, does you.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Reckon he was ahead of his time?

Speaker 7 (35:19):
He's probably I think he.

Speaker 15 (35:20):
Was probably unfairly criticized, although he didn't a lot Christian Collen,
which was a bit of a mark against the tonight's game.
I'm interested in how Tufire goes in midfield and obviously
Lester on the wing. I think that's a that's a
good choices that he's a great, great player. I think
the bench is quite exciting, I mean Satisi coming off.
And I'm also quite interested in how Bauer is going

(35:44):
to go. Bao was like he was quite a star
when he sort of burst onto the scene scene and
then he sort of got injured quite severely and it's
taken him a long time to sort of work his
way back. And yeah, I'll be really interested to see
how he goes.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, same same mark, And yeah, he's a guy who's
who you're right, has had had problems with injuries that
have kept now things tonight. In fact, I know it
is it's his first test of the year, isn't it
for George Bauer tonight? And you do have to keep
on building that prop depth. I talked before about how
many players racers picked eight front Rowers. So you know,

(36:21):
George Bower more of a tight hair prop I guess
so Ethan de Groot, Olie Norris and then the likes
of Mighty Williams can play both sides in that mix
as well. But yeah, I don't think you can ever
have too many, can you.

Speaker 15 (36:32):
No, that's right, You've got to build the depth and
just on the buddess lit I think I think they
should have to win every game against US, and actually
win it off us. I think it's the only sporting
I think it's the only sporting trophy we hold between
New Zealand and Australia. That's with any significance, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
So a three match series they'd have to win three
nilwise right to me, Love of Mark good Man and
enjoy the game tonight, make good thoughts as always from you.
I've just got an email here from Craig who was
the one who suggested that the the Aussie jersey was orange,

(37:10):
and he's actually attached Craig, this is very good. He's
attached a picture of the Australian rugby jersey and a
picture of an orange And I must say, Craig, you're
not that far wrong. They're not too dissimilar. Craig says,
I was a Eden Park two, so no TV adjustment needed.
The Australian rugby jersey is orange, Craig, brilliant, mate. I

(37:33):
love that you've sourced a picture of an orange to
prove your point to me. On email, Rob, you've got
your radio Dan, how are you mate?

Speaker 12 (37:41):
Yes, hey, hey Jason, good to talk to you, and
you're just listening to the last call of Mark. I
think one of the issues we're finding now is our
pool of players. We're limited on they not only the quality,
but no local teacher the jersey now the players because
I think we've got a smaller pool. They go off sure,

(38:03):
and so they try and get them back during the
Super fifteen or when the or decks are playing a test.
You know, that gets dangled in front of them. So
it's their livelihood. So I think that's had a big
impact on our player base and they'll continue to hell
to happen.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So just Rob, just clarify that. So the fact that
more players are getting big money off as overseas is
shallowing our depth poll.

Speaker 12 (38:31):
In other words, well, well I'll give you an example.
Just happened in that provincial level so since Super fifteen started,
I'm from Hawks Bay, we can't even you know, when
I was playing back in the eighties, you could go
from club team to provincial rugby. Now you can't even
get into the provincial team because it's already been taken

(38:51):
up by Super fifteen players. They've been playing outside the province.
So then the player base then impacts on those plays. Well,
I'll just go sell, I'll go to seas and so,
in my opinion, you start limiting the amount of opportunities
and you get the likes of let's look at John
Cowan who's never identified to he left school. There's others

(39:13):
like that that leave score early because they've picked early
in in academy. You miss the wider pool of capable players.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
So what they're going to play? Sorry, Rob, What does
a player then do who's not in the All Blacks
but as a super rugby player, what do they do?
You know, from August through to October.

Speaker 12 (39:36):
They need to feed their family, they need to put
a roof over their head, so they go off to
the States. They'll play second, They'll play a competition over there.
That's that gives them a contract that is enough for
them to survive on to go to the French League
to play in the third division.

Speaker 8 (39:52):
They go to Spain.

Speaker 12 (39:54):
Don't just be goad prodding players and then come back
come back to their province.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, I'd want to stay here. I don't think i'd
want to do that. I'd want if I was getting
paid here, i'd want to s I want to stay here.
You can understand why they do. I know what you're saying,
and you're right. If there's if a guy, if a
guy who's come out of club rugby sees a path
blocked into the provincial team, then that's that is demoralizing
for that player. But I just don't know whether you
can ask super rugby players to foe go n PC

(40:23):
just to continue to build that base.

Speaker 12 (40:25):
Yes, no, no, I understand that. And then I look
at now, I guess the recent South African tool we've had,
you know a lot of them play in the European season,
and so the use that brutality, I guess, and that
high level of roby. And I think since Tony Brown
has been with the South African team, you can see

(40:46):
the change and particularly the back line.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah you can, Rob, I've got to go, mate and
get to a break, but you've made some really sullying points.
Thanks for calling in seven to one News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fail. Weekend
Sport with Jason Pin, News Talk ZMB.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Coming up to the one o'clock News ten for five
kickoff tonightfull comment for on News Talks. There'd be break
it all down for you on the show tomorrow. New
Zealand a one nil down to Japan at the Under
twenty World Cup. At halftime in that game, we'll keep
buyers on it for you. After one, we're going to
try and get some clarity if we can around this
nep on New Zealand Dame Noling situation.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
The only plays for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Pin on your home of Sport
News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Welcome in or welcome back to the show. This is
Weekend Sport on News Talks. There be on Jason Pine
just updating some live sport for you. The New Zealand
under twenty football team are playing their third and final
pull match at the Under twenty World Cup in Chile.
Up against Japan. They're one nil down early in the
second half. Now, while defeat would not end their tournament absolutely,

(42:01):
they would wait on other results. The way this works,
there are six groups of four, so the top two
from each group go through to the knockout rounds and
then the four best third place teams. Now, if New
Zealam had to lose, they would have three points and
finish third in the group. That may be enough, but
it would depend on other results. We wouldn't know till tomorrow,

(42:23):
I think late tomorrow whether they'd made it through. So
if they were to draw, that would secure their passage
through and if they would win obviously what as well.
They're one nail down to Japan, who are one of
the best teams at this tournament. They've scored five goals
now without conceding and have been very good at age
group level for a while Japan. So look, we'll keep
eyes on it early in the second half. As I say,

(42:45):
Japan wonder ahead of New Zealand. The far of Palmer
Cup Final about to begin too. This one is at
FMG Stadium, Wake Up Tall in Hamilton. It's the home
side wayk Cutta up against Canterbury. Why Cat. It would
be favorites, I'm sure and this one, but not overwhelming favorites.
We'll keep eyes on that for you, and just a
reminder as well. Then in about an hour from now,
Sean Marks is on the show Our greatest ever basketball

(43:07):
players and now one of our foremost sporting administrators in
any sport around the world. He's the general manager of
the Brooklyn Nets in the NBA. They're about to get
underway in their new season. So talked to Sean Marks
about that, about dealing with some of the highest profile
sportspeople on the planet and what he remembers of his
days playing in that wonderful Tour Blacks team that went

(43:28):
to the semi finals of Theball the Nepball the Basketball
World Championships in two thousand and two. Niitball's on my
mind because there's still no clarity and the ongoing saga
of the Silver Ferns and coach Dame Nolen Toda. Despite
days of mediation between the World Cup winning coach and
Netball New Zealand, there's still no decision over whether she'll

(43:50):
be reinstated. You'll remember, of course, Dame Nolen was stood
down as coach. That happened on the tenth of September
with nepball New Zealand's citing issues in the team's high
performance environment. That left New Zealand to play South Africa
in the Tiny Jamison Series under interim coaches Avett McCausland,
Jury and Leanna Liota. They did a good job. New
Zealand won that series three nil. Now though they have

(44:14):
a much tougher assignment looming, The Silver Ferns are due
to go into camp on Monday to prepare for the
four test Constellation Cup series against Australia. The first game
in that four test series is in Melbourne on Friday week,
so it is less than two weeks away. Let's get
you some insight into the mediation process that is playing

(44:37):
out here. Anthony Drake is partner at leading law firm
Taverndale and Partners. He has more than twenty five years
specialist experience in employment law and is a nationally recognized
expert in employment related issues and disputes. Anthony, thanks for
joining us to try and give us some insight here.
This seems to have taken a long time. Is that

(44:58):
normal in employment disputes?

Speaker 16 (45:02):
Well, there's a process that the part need to go through,
of course, and clearly in this case there's a lot
more to be discussed, but at this point we actually
don't know what the issues are and I guess it's
not terribly helpful to speculate. Would be rather more helpful

(45:25):
of Netball New Zealand told us what the concerns are
and whether they can be worked through.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
So it's your view then that they should have been
a bit more transparent and said, Okay, here are the
issues ABC, here's what we're working through. They're not duty
bound to do that, of course, but you think that
would have been helpful in this case.

Speaker 16 (45:48):
I think we're talking about a national team, and it's
a little different in these situations where you've got parties
that are in the public eye. Whilst there's a lot
of similarities with the corporate world, is slightly difference. Is
a high performance environment. Both employees are both Dame Nolen

(46:12):
and the players and the public eye, and this matter
has gone on for quite some time now, so it
would be helpful to have some insight as to what
those concerns are.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
The longer the discussions go on, is a resolution, in
your experience less likely or more likely with a lengthy process.

Speaker 16 (46:36):
Well, as I sort of saying that there's a process
to work through, and clearly it's taking its time, and
it's just an indication of how difficult the situation has become.
Whether it's resolvable now, you know, I can't really speculate
on that. Hopefully it can be resolved to everybody's satisfaction.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
How do you keep emotion out of employment disputes and
keep the discussions fact based?

Speaker 16 (47:04):
Well, I don't think you can. I don't think you
can keep emotions out. And as I sort of said,
this involves a game that's both the coach, the players,
the public love, and it's incredibly difficult. There are no
facts for which anybody can respond to at the moment.
But you know that I don't just honestly don't think

(47:28):
we can keep those emotions.

Speaker 8 (47:30):
Out of this.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
So what's the best way to navigate it? Then, Anthony,
I'm sure you've said in on mediations where emotions are
running high in an employment dispute, how do you how
do you take the take the fizz out of situations
like that's what's the best way of doing that?

Speaker 16 (47:47):
Generally a very calm approach to these sort of issues.
There's obviously a lot to talk about, and what we
have learned so far is there are different views from
the media. Karen Burgers sort of said, well, everybody has
a different experience. We saw Grace Wecki speak on Saturday Night. Well,

(48:10):
she has a different experience to some of the others.
So these are complicated issues to navigate.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
In the situation, the organization Netborn New Zealand appoints the coach.
The coach is in charge of selecting the players, but
presumably the players are also employees of Netball New Zealand.
I guess a lot of people are asking Anthony, why
wouldn't Netball New Zealand just back their coach. She's the
one who they've appointed to run the high performance program.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Well, you're quite.

Speaker 16 (48:44):
Right, Jason dan Noley is an employee. The players are
employees and net new Netball New Zealand has an obligation
to resolve the problem, whatever that problem is, and it
needs to do that in an active and constructive way
so it can maintain those relationships. So, whether that's to

(49:04):
back the coach, whether it's active players, they've got duties
to both sides here to try and resolve it.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
In a situation like this. Let's talk hypothetical here. Let's
say hypothetically, you know, one possible outcome here is that
Dave Nolene is exonerated and she's back as as head
coach of the Silver Ferns. Isn't that still an awkward
situation to navigate with her knowing that there are you know,
potentially members of the team who didn't want her to

(49:32):
be coached.

Speaker 16 (49:34):
Oh, there's an enormous problem here. It's disruptive to the environment,
it's disruptive to the culture of the team. So there's
an enormous amount of work to be done. So they
both have all common goals going forward.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
How common is finding a solution in situations like that
that allows parties who have been in dispute to continue
working together and working harmoniously together.

Speaker 16 (50:02):
In my experience, it's incredibly difficult and rare.

Speaker 8 (50:08):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Okay, So I mean, I know we can't talk specifics here, Anthony,
but I mean, what's your what?

Speaker 17 (50:15):
What?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
What should we think about all this? Should we expect
Dane Noline to come back, should we expect there'll be
some clunkiness here?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
What?

Speaker 8 (50:22):
What?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
What is your best guess as to what's going to
play out?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Here.

Speaker 16 (50:26):
I don't think it's helpful for me to speculate on
there that there's obviously discussions are ongoing between the cardis,
so it's very difficult to say.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
And and this could still drag on for a bit.
I mean, we've got a we've got a format series
coming up in less than two weeks. It doesn't feel
as though this is going to be resolved. We're here
at the weekend and so clearly I guess they take
a break over the weekend, they start again on Monday.
The team's meant to be selected on Monday, So you know,
can these things drag on? Could this drag on for
for more days, for for weeks?

Speaker 16 (50:59):
Even yes, my experience may sometimes do regrettably there's no
easy solution here.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Well, it's something that continues to I guess hog the
headlines when really all we want to be doing is
netwall fans is watching the Silver Ferns play Australia Anthony.
Anything else to add that might have a bit of
context or a bit of clarity to our listeners as
we search for some shred of hope here.

Speaker 16 (51:30):
Well, as I sort of said, I think it might
be helpful for netball new Zealand to come out and
say what the concerns are and whether they think that
they can be worked through.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Well, we've asked them a number of times. They don't
seem particularly keen on doing that. Anthony, thank you for
your time and expertise this afternoon. I guess we just
wait and see what plays out here. Appreciate you lending
us your expertise today.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
And good luck to the team.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yep, good luck, good luck to the team. Indeed, Anthony,
in more ways than one, thank you for joining us.
Anthony Drake, partner at leading law firm Taverndale and Partners,
with twenty five years plus of specialist experience in ployment law.
Your chance to react to what you heard there. Our
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. The
bit that stood out for me there was Anthony saying

(52:17):
that he thought Netborn, New Zealand should have told us more,
should have been more transparent, should it be more open. Look,
I couldn't agree more with that, but I didn't expect
him to say that. I thought what he would say
from a legal perspective was that employment matters should be
kept confidential and should be played out. You know, privately.

(52:38):
So I was pleasantly surprised to hear him say that,
because I could not agree more. The silence from Netburn,
New Zealand through this whole thing has been deafening. It's
become a shambles, hasn't it? When ore in a situation
where time is against us. The fact is now what
Today's the fourth of October. The first game in the

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Constellation Cup series is on the seventeenth of October, less
than two weeks away. The team is getting together or
supposedly getting together on Monday. Dame noling Toto, I can't
come back in time for the Constellation Cup. There isn't
enough time. Who's even running that camp on Monday, who's

(53:22):
even looking after the team, who's picking the team, who's
coaching the team. It's clear to me that Dave nolen
Toto won't be in charge for the Constellation Cup now
that the last chance of that was this getting resolved
in the week we've just had. They're not meeting by
the sounds of it, over the weekend. They'll get back
together on Monday and continue to thrash this out. But

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she can't possibly now come back in if she does
at some point The other bit that stood out from
Anthony then was him saying that even if she was
exonerated and comes back in in his experience, when complaints
like this happen typically in Anthony's experience in the in
the corporate world and the you know in a workplace

(54:06):
that when there's a dispute like this and the person
with the power, the coach, the manager, whatever is found
to not be at fault, they come back in. It
is incredibly rare, difficult and rare for the parties involved,
he said, for them to be able to carry on harmoniously.
And we all know that we're all human beings. Well,

(54:26):
we've all got common sense. Of course, it's going to
be difficult. Dame Nolan, if she comes back, knows that
there are players in that team who don't want her there.
So if it's me, I just don't pick them. And
is that fair on? I mean, what if some of
our better players, we know Grace Wiki is in the
Dame Nole in camp, we know Karen Berger's and the
Dame Nole in camp. We're hearing stories now of players

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who initially signed the letter or voiced concerns now withdrawing
those concerns this isn't utter shambles, are complete shambles. And
then Constellation Kappas is the it's the you know, that's
the the elite thing, that nipple that the Silver fans
play every year. We've got the Constellation cup. I mean,

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good luck focusing the side on trying to retain it.
One O eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty our number.
Let's get some calls, Hello, Pat.

Speaker 11 (55:22):
Hello, Paley.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
I'd say to Dave and just leave and.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Let them move go the on way players. So like
you what So he's trying to coach a team like that?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
No, but they do not. They don't all not like her.

Speaker 8 (55:36):
Pet.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
This is this is, by the sounds of it, just
a couple of players. Dameline cares deeply about the team,
wants to be their coach.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
So why should she know.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
I know what you're saying, And a lot of people
are saying the same thing. You know, many of us
would just say, you know what, bug at this, I'll
go and do something else.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
Yeah, yeah, so what you should do?

Speaker 18 (55:57):
All right?

Speaker 8 (55:57):
Pat?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Well what she does? Yees, sir? Good on you mate,
Thanks Pat, thanks for calling in. Look and I look,
I think somebody else might well have said you know what, Yeah,
I can't be bothered with this. If you don't want me,
I'll go and do something else. There will be any
number of netball franchises around the world or international teams
who would welcome Dame Nolen and with open arms, with

(56:20):
open arms, but she cares so deeply about the Silver
Ferns and coaching that team that she is willing to
fight for the right to do that.

Speaker 14 (56:32):
Ellison, Hello, it's the complete shambles and Dame Nolen. I
can't see her coming back now, but I've taken but
a credit to Grace is standing up and supporting her
that day. If you're not coming back, I want to
thank her for a service to the netball And there's
seven players that don't like it. They're not going to
name the seven players. You just got to work it

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out for yourself. Who's not playing there with who they are,
and they're not prepared to come out and say what
they've got against not Dame Noley. So you're not going
to get anywhere from all this doing and throwing. Are
un least those seven players come out and say what
the reason is?

Speaker 6 (57:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And I think you know, without naming them, I think Netborne,
New Zealand could certainly give us some clarity saying, okay,
here's the basis of the complaints that they were. Look,
I don't even want to want to spitball about.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
What they are.

Speaker 14 (57:20):
You can work out who some of the players aren't
but you see who the ones that aren't there, so
I can sort of my own mind there's a few
players there that should be there that are not there.
So you put two and again and work out they
could be the ones. But I mean, you shouldn't have
to do that. I don't really care who they are,
but one isn't one of those players come up now
and say what the reasoning is?

Speaker 7 (57:36):
Can they not do that?

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Well, I suppose they could, Allison. There's nothing to stop them.
I mean, if there's a player who's not involved in
the silver Ferns at the moment, who was outside the
playing group at the moment, there would be nothing at
all to stop them from coming out and saying such
and such a thing. You're right, see Allison. That's the
other problem with this is that, yeah, you're right. You
look at the team and you say, okay, well that
player isn't there. That player isn't there she's not there.

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She's not there. So you put two and two together
and maybe four is the answer. But maybe it's not.
Maybe they're out for different reasons. Maybe they're not, you know,
sitting this out, or have made themselves unavailable or whatever
for the day Noline reasons. That's the thing. We just
don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
We don't know.

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Speaker 5 (59:34):
Yeah, it's just so Saday. She's a national treasure. She's
been thrown under the bus. Her mandate was to get
seven world class players. She's got one in Grace and
Nowiki in pursuit of the other six. She held a
training camp in January this year where apparently they got
up before five o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 8 (59:51):
Players didn't like that.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
The janitor on one of the occasions of that training
camp said, well, you guys are going to have to
lock up and take and turn off the lights because
it's too late for him.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
To wait around.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
So she pushed them hard in that summer training camp
and clearly the camp the Silver Ferns are in two
camps now the one who can tolerate her torrid almost
Do I say brutal training methods and philosophies and others
can't women's bitchiness, player power and inability to step up

(01:00:22):
and fulfill what the coach is requesting in a high
performance level, taxpayer funded high performance level. Look, they are
extreme athletes and she's asked to do extreme things and
more than half can't cope.

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
Mate, And there's your problem.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Surely that board New Zealand should back their coach then
if that and I agree with what you say. She
has been charged with selecting a team that can that
can be successful at elite level. She does that through
her methods, but she has been entrusted to do that
because she's been appointed as Silver Fern's head coach.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
Do you remember on hockey coach?

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
No, I agree? Do you remember these?

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Head on hockey coach Mark Hagar was women to bitchiness
after to run the Commonwealth Games gold Medal in Australia
Gold Coast is in Australia, which is very hard to do,
let alone in a major event, and he got driven
out for what was it an email where instead of
pushing one button to the whoever's he accountable the CEO,
he hit send all and it was basically something some

(01:01:20):
women are a bit overweight, not fit, we need to lift.
They took offense and next minute he's no longer the coach.
So you go if there's a similarity there. But I mean,
Dame nol she's proven, she's won at the Australian level.
She's the only New Zealand coach to win at Trans
Tasman A and Z level with the magic what twenty
twelve Northern New Zealand teams did it before they dan

(01:01:40):
that comp I mean she is excellence personified And okay,
maybe the compromises she's got a button off a little bit,
but yeah, where's the transparency?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
TV and ZED news, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
They do a fantastic job.

Speaker 19 (01:01:52):
Trump in an exclusive interview with Jenny.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Wiley and failed to ask the question, why Jenny did
you suspend her?

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
Was TV and Z gang because they're doing the national
coverage of the domestic competition next year. They were told
don't ask, and that's going to turn fast into NPC
Rugby's equivalent of NPC because a lot of the girls
will play in Australia because that's where the money is.
We've seen one of our captains has retired because there's

(01:02:20):
not enough money and she wants to be with her kids. Incredibly,
the incumbent or the interim coach made Grace milWiki the captain,
and the captain's now spoken, so it's untenable. I think
Jenny Wiley has just fall on his sword.

Speaker 7 (01:02:35):
She says she won't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
I mean, this is a mess, Piney, this is an art,
a mess. Constellation cup flip Grace milWiki. Maybe she's the
player coach or if they can't pick Knowles's coach, why
don't they pick her at CEO because the off court problems,
believe it or not, are bigger than the on court
corp problems at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Thanks for calling Dobbo well well articulated as usual from you.
Just back to the point that I was making during
that conversation. Is that and the point that Dobbo made
that Dan Nolan was hired for a reason she was
hired to come in and oversee a high performance environment

(01:03:11):
to win burg netball games, to win World championships, to
win Commonwealth games. And so when you do that, and
not just a netball but in any sport when you're
talking about high performance environments, you hire a coach and
then you have to give them, you have to give
them the latitude to do what they told you they

(01:03:34):
were going to do during the recruitment process. Netball New
Zealand should back their coach. I'm not saying that you
can just ignore any complaint that comes your way. Absolutely not.
It's not, you know, a means to an end situation
where you just blinker yourself to unacceptable behavior. But Netball

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New Zealand need to back their coach in the situation.
Absolutely need to back their coach. And a big part
of me, says Dave Nolen, should pick the players who
are happy to work in her environment. Neple New Zealand
should say, look, we hear your concerns, you group of

(01:04:20):
players or you individual players. We hear your concerns. We
are confident though, that we are heading down the right
track with our current coaching setup. So you can be
part of that if you want to or if you
would rather withdraw your services, that's fine. And you know
what Dame Nolene is. She's famous for picking the players
who she thinks will you carry out her game plan.

(01:04:44):
And a lot of players have been not selected by
Dave Nolen worked very hard and been re selected by them.
She does not hold a grudge. She doesn't just not
pick players because at one point they didn't quite meet
the standards she was after. She cares so deeply about
this team. That's the other thing that has become really

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obvious here. You know what, many of us will have
just thrown our hands in there and said, you know what,
I'll go and do something else. There's other jobs for
me in a netball landscape. Text there from size simple
answers to sack the players who complained they're not team players,

(01:05:26):
won't go deep into the trenches for their teammates. Doesn't
matter how good they are, they don't deserve to wear
the silver fern. The people that allowed it to get
this far and to be this much of a mess,
and new Zella Netball should also be sacked, clearly, not
management potential. That's the other part of this as well,
is how long it's taken. Like I say, where they knew,
they knew the schedule, they knew that there's a Constellation

(01:05:48):
Cup series coming up. Janet, Hello, oh hi, it just
may be.

Speaker 20 (01:05:55):
Covered because I just slotted in. The Thing that amazes
me is once that the people who were concerned went
management and voice their concern, why didn't they then go
to Nolene and say we have got these problems, get

(01:06:16):
them together and talk about it and find out what's so.
But to leave Dan Nolen out of the whole question
was Luis. I would imagine that she's probably got grounds
to sue them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Jennet, it's a very good point if everybody could have
just been an adult for a while. Look at well.
There are disagreements. There are disagreements in everyday life all
the time. I don't always agree with my family members.
I don't always agree with my workmates, but you know
I certainly don't. Well, I mean, the family's a different situation.
But if if a workmate of mine or a manager
of mine was annoying me, or I didn't feel he

(01:06:55):
was treating me in a fair way, I wouldn't go
to the CEO. I'd go to my manager and say, hey,
can we knock this out?

Speaker 20 (01:07:01):
Absolutely? And I mean I'm assuming that these are professionals
on the board and that sort of thing, and I'm
just staggered about and she didn't know anything about it.
I'm just appalled at that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Jenna, That's again a very good point. She didn't You're right,
she was blindsided by the whole thing when she was
stood down. That was the first she had heard of it.

Speaker 20 (01:07:24):
And the women that have complained and probably have, you know,
some complaint about what was happening.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Oh, Jennet, we just lost you as you were in
full flight. I think we got the just to what
you were saying, though. Thank you for calling in.

Speaker 9 (01:07:39):
Hello Bruce, Yeah, Hello, hello Piney, thanks for taking the call.
Just I've been listening to this netball debate and I
was just just then I got an idea of sort
of what the perspective that maybe carrying is. I don't
know the makeup of the team, but you get players
that have very experienced, very skillful. They can still do

(01:08:02):
the stub and they can sustain it for the period
of a game. But pre season, you know these people,
I don't know who they are, but just from looking
at other situations where contracted players have been contracted from
one club and then contracted to another club and their
veteran players they go to the new club and the

(01:08:25):
new coach and they you know, they're running up and
down sand hills for two hours a day. And these
guys have played. I'm thinking about the AFL VFL, particularly
a Geelong Ford who went over to West Perth and
he'd had one hundred and fifty games, had about fort
deconstructions and the coach was hard as and he was

(01:08:47):
making them run up and down these sand hills, and
I just wonder if what's happened is you've got this
really tough, staunch coach that's going to make everyone go
to the line, but you know, some of these players'
bodies aren't going to stand it, and if they've pushed
that hard in pre season, they may not make the

(01:09:08):
rest of the seaton, or they may have a nagging,
niggling injury which is not going to take a really
tough preseason. So that's just my perspective from what I've
seen before where sort of contracted players go to a
new club on a new contract and really get flogged preseason.
So that's just my just something that sort of sprung

(01:09:30):
to mind.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
Ben Piney.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yeah, I'm not sure it applies here, Bruce necessarily in
terms of you know, going to no no. I look,
I absolutely take the point. You're right is if they
gets older, you need to manage their body better and
all that sort of thing. But you know, Dame Nolan's
been coach of the Silver Firn since twenty nineteen. Any
experienced player in that team has been under her guidance
for the last five or six years. I feel like

(01:09:54):
you've built a relationship during that time where you can say, hey,
Dame Noles, getting I'm starting to take a bit longer
to recover. Can we look at some sort of performance
plan for me. It's not as though she's new to
the environment, and and neither are they. Like there may
be a couple who have come in as experienced players,
but most of them have been under her mentorship for
six years. They know what she's about. And another part

(01:10:18):
of me thinks, well, why haven't they found a problem
with it before? And now if that's if it's so bad,
unless it's gotten worse, and it might have. Look, let's
hover above this for a sec. You know this is
a show about opinions, and I think we've made mind
fairly clear. But we can't just ignore any suggestion that
there is a problem within this environment that is driven

(01:10:40):
from the coaching team, Dave Nolan and others. We have
to entertain the possibility that that is the case, that
the complaints that have been made and the concerns that
have been raised are genuine and need addressing. Net On
New Zealand have clearly decided that they are the biggest
sue they've struck is that they haven't said anything, been
an absolute cone of silence the whole time, including to

(01:11:03):
their own people.

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
Scott Olo, okay for any first time call it of
your show. So there we go.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Good to have you with a Scott So just a
couple of things I think on the net ball.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
This Dame Nolean, Taro.

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Stuff, the two coaches.

Speaker 19 (01:11:20):
So I haven't really watched a lot of people, and
recently I've watched some of the tiny Jamis materies. This
time the two coaches that have been there as interim coaches,
I think they've done a brilliant job.

Speaker 8 (01:11:31):
So and as you say, what is the issue worth.

Speaker 7 (01:11:37):
Dame Nolean and the players?

Speaker 19 (01:11:39):
What is the extra sacty issue, as you say, is
it because they're not getting enough time to recover. Is
she watching them too hard in trainings and practices and stuff,
or is there something else going on in the background
that nobody's letting know. I mean, for your captain to
come out and say I don't want to play under her,
there's something made you going on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure about the Amelia Anick and
Oco situation, Scott that so you're referring to obviously, Look
I I you know she is getting, you know, towards
the back end of her career. I know she's got
a family, she's she's been very open about her mental
health challenges as well as media around solic I'm not
sure whether yeah, that is related to this, but you know,

(01:12:18):
to withdraw her services if she doesn't want to play
in a partial game.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
Yeah, exactly. But it's like any sportsman.

Speaker 19 (01:12:24):
So whether it's a track and field or a rugby
player or a league or a swim or whatever, everybody
gets to the point where you physically can't compete anymore,
but you don't blame your coach because you're having problems.
So there must be something under the surface or I
might have been Karen Burger or whatever under the surface
that is not gelling now between the players and the coach.

(01:12:46):
And the other point that I think the New Zealand
netwill has stuffed up on is the Great's Wiki thing
letting her come back from Australia and the exodus and
want for the players to come back to New Zealand
because Grace Wiking has done it going to Australia to play.
I think that's a really big thing to broken New

(01:13:09):
Zealand's own protocols to allow one player back. Now, all
of a sudden we've had seven, eight, ten whatever top
line players go over to Australia. Thinking that they're going
to do exactly what Grace Wiki's done and come back
and play for the Silver Ferns without being in the
local competition is not a good thing, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
The All Blacks are the same way.

Speaker 19 (01:13:30):
They have said with Richie Mlanga and even at the
moment Lester paire Nuku, although he's in the team tonight,
they have to come back and compete in New Zealand
before they can make the team.

Speaker 8 (01:13:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
So I think New Zealand New.

Speaker 19 (01:13:44):
Was sort of cutting their own nose off despite their
face by allowing that one player to dictate terms.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Scott, thanks for your call, mate, and please call again.
I'm actually a fan of the Grace wiki return and
for the main reason that she she when she left,
she didn't have any guarantee that she was going to
be coming back. She in many ways was the catalyst
for the rule change. And and yes you might say
that that, you know, if players want to go and

(01:14:13):
play overseas, then so be it, but they forgo the
opportunity to play for the Silver Ferns if they choose
to do that. I'm just not sure our talent, Paul
is big enough for that. It's a separate situation in
rugby where there is the talent that can make up
for it. But yeah, good points one mate, Scott. Thanks
for calling in mate. I've got to leave it there,
folks on the net Ball seventeen to two. More discussion
that we had, I'm sure, and hopefully a resolution somewhere

(01:14:34):
in our future. We're across the Tasman with Adam Peacock.
When we come back.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
At Baby thirteen to two. Was he correspondent Adam Peacock
with us Wallaby's All Blacks tonight in Perth, Adam, how
confident are you feeling about a Wallaby's win?

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:14:59):
Mildly.

Speaker 10 (01:14:59):
I mean we've got some names back, namely Will Skelt
and we'll send a b a better silent in in it.
You another one? Let's slip last week even though it's
probably all but deserveable women on balance. Hard to say,
but yeah, I think an occasion as well with James
Slipper retiring absolutely all his legends. So yeah, so it's

(01:15:23):
one there that they should take. Really, I mean, okay's
New Zealand. It's a bloody done and those two things
haven't equated to anything nice for Australia, right have majority
of the last twenty years. But yeah over there, Yeah again,
the timing of it, our Grand Final weekend and the
casion like this deserves to have clear air. But now

(01:15:46):
mildly confidence, this confidence of can be against New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
What's that? Have you been to that stadium over in Perth?
Looks amazing on TV.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Have you been there?

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a big oval, so you kind of
lose a bit. It's not like you know, you're on
top of everything. Our best stadium for footy, i've got
a couple is probably some Corps Stadium in Brisbane and
out Stadium in Sydney where it's built for that. It's
a rectangle. This is an AFL stadium really and they're
going to have the first ashes test. They're really hard

(01:16:15):
surface too, so if there's a bit of rain around
it can make things a bit difficult because it's like
a really hard surface underneath and really could be on top.
But if it's dry, yeah we could get like forty
thirty eight or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
We'll look out for a game of running rugby tonight
Tomorrow night NRL Grand Final and your hometown of Sydney
of course, couple of teams from outside state coming in.
Melbourne Storm, Brisbane Broncos. How you see this one playing out?

Speaker 10 (01:16:45):
Yeah, you got the brilliance of Brisbane and yeah, just
the methodical Storm, even though I think that's a bit
of a misnomer. On Melbourne Storm, they've got as much
flair as I think I can ever remember from a
Melbourne Storm side, it's the games that they drift out
and mentally and defensively that kind of make you scratch

(01:17:06):
your head. And I've done a time and time again
this season, but they have got it right at the
back end when they needed to. This service again, I
think he's your eleventh Grand Final, Craig Dleamy. It's incredible.
So he's got more Grand Finals for himself than most
other clubs, full stop, it's amazing. So yeah, he'll have them.
I think in the right frame of mind, they probably

(01:17:28):
deserves the edge of his favorites. But Brisbane have got
the strife. They've got the best forward in the game
in Paying Hears and probably the most exciting player of
the game in Rhese Wesh and he can do anything.
It's whether or not Melbourne let him do anything is
another thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, Well, we're certainly keeping eyes on it over the
side of the Tasman as well, but a key we
interest to and in the climax to the NRL season,
let's go to the UK and Pasta Cooglu is in
charge of Nottingham Forest are six games there without a win,
already starting to come under some pressure I'm trying to
find where they get their win. Their win from Newcastle tonight,
which of course you don't want them to win four

(01:18:06):
nil exactly, then Chelsea Porto and the Europa League, then
born with her was Sex and then Manchester United. Maybe
it comes against man You I don't know what's going
on over there.

Speaker 10 (01:18:16):
Well, if he's still there. I read a report late
last night which kind of concerned me a bit. I
thought he'd be given a bit of time and you know, okay,
you've got plenty of time to rectify it and not
get relegated all those things. But reports were saying, oh,
well the owner might be losing patience and those report
and it's in the Times as well that those reports

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don't come out of nugly so someone's heard something and
that's concerning. I hope he's given until at least the
next international break, the November one. There's one coming up
after this game against Newcast So look, it's not worked
the way that everyone thought it was going to work.
And I'm not sure what Ange Postagog told the owner
mari An artists in the meetings, but I dare say

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it's removed from what we've seen so far in terms
of how it's going to play out. So yeah, it's
verging on being on on an I I don't think
he's there yet, but yeah, a couple of more bad results,
as you mentioned e side the international broake and it
could be problems.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
All right, just speaking of international football, you're under twenties
are at the World Cup, as are ours losses for Australia.
It's only in Argentina. Man, that's a tough group. How
they look though the under twenties the next way, they're.

Speaker 10 (01:19:25):
Okay, they're not world beaters. I don't think. Yeah, I
don't think there's any forty million dollar players in there.
But they're a good group and hopefully they can manufacture
a miracle that got their last game against Cuba to
get out of the group.

Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
But it's a good experience.

Speaker 10 (01:19:42):
I mean that game against Argentina, they were in it,
but you always felt like Argentina had that class about
them that was going to prove definitive, and so it did.
Later on they scored two great goals at a time
to make a two one result full one. So yeah,
they're not far off. But yeah, it's just that, and

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then it makes you think of all the bigger, bigger
things in Australia football about what's going on, and yeah,
it's I don't know where it leads with things like
the A leagu has been twenty six games and coaching
coughing my leg over here, I'll go into a pioneer.
I'm not sure. If you've got the time, you've probably done. Yeah,
we'll see how it pans out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Just on actually, just on the senior side soccer, who's
they've a squad's been announced to play upcoming games against
Canada and the United States. I was happy to see
Cam Devlon, their former former Phoenix player, of course doing
well in Scotland. Gee, Tony Popovich seems to be giving
a lot of blokes ago, doesn't he as he looks
for his World Cup squad.

Speaker 10 (01:20:43):
Yeah, I think that's what it's about, and it should
be about because you may as well utilize the fact
that you've qualified twelve month in exance the first time
I was done it in a while. So it's mixed
it up and see who's who going to zoo And yeah,
I think there's eight or nine changes from the last squad,
which makes people scratch their head a bit. But no,
it's all about you know, seeing and Tony Popovich, as
you know, is a man big about behaviors on and

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off the pitch, so he wants to get to know
him a bit better in camp and their tendencies and everything.
So yeah, we'll say it pans out against Canada and
the US through football on of course, and tonight we've
got the Australia Cup. It's on a bit later over
there for you guys that Newcastle get playing. Heidelberg's on
MPL side, making the making the final and it's nearly

(01:21:26):
a full house down there at Melbourne twy so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
It should be a great night, good stuff, big weekend
as they always seem to be on your side of
the ditch. Thanks for updating his Adam. We'll chat again
next Saturday, same time.

Speaker 10 (01:21:36):
Thanks Bunny tees mate, Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Mate, Adam Peacock, our Ossie correspondent seven to two News
Talk Zippy three and a half to two. New Zealand
have lost three mil to Japan at the FIFA Under
twenty World Cup. They wait now to see if they
go through to the knockout rounds as one of the
best third place teams and the FARA Palmer Cup Final.
Canterbury Leed White Cuto eight to five after half an
hour gone at FMG Stadium in Hamilton. News next to

(01:21:58):
two and then Sean Marks on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on Afterfields.
It's all on Wee Jen Sport with Jason Vade on
your Home of Sport US talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Hello there too, seven, I'm Jason Pine. This is Weekend's
Sport until three. Then Tim Beveridge takes over Weekend Collector
Saturday Edition. Lots to get through between now and then
a lot of live sport to keep an eye on.
Farah Palmer Cup Final nearly halftime in Hamilton, WAYCUTO twelve,
Canterbury eight. As we approach halftime there there are a

(01:22:36):
couple of NPC matches about to get under way. Auckland
against Otago at Auckland Grammar School, Wellington against Bay of
Plenty at Jerry Collins Stadium in Potty Duafin. Butcher is
in action at the Canoe Slalom World Champs in Sydney.
We'll keep you up to date with his progress in
his favored kayak cross event. And as you heard one

(01:22:56):
O saying the news The New Zealand under twenty men's
football side have been eliminated from their World Cup in Chile.
A three nail loss to Japan has seen them bottom
of the group, although level on points with the teams
that finished second and third. Egypt was second, Chile third,
New Zealand fourth. Unfortunately, the inferior goal difference that New

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Zealand have chalked up has seen them eliminated from contention
for the knockout rounds. It's a shame sewn. Mark's shortly
our well, one of our greatest basketball players. Maybe our
must say our best. Certainly in the top two or three,
wouldn't he? And now general manager of the Brooklyn Nets
in the NBA. How's he feeling ahead of the new season.
He's been there ten years now, Shawn Mark, so he's

(01:23:39):
built up a pretty good body of work. Asked him
as well about the tall Blacks and the young stars
rising in both the men's and women's game.

Speaker 19 (01:23:47):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Speaking of stars, we'll talk to one this hour out
of the Warriors. Aaron Clark was named in the dally
M Team of the Year this week as Lock of
the Year. How's he reflecting on his season when he
came I remember when I spoke to him, I think
pre season, and he said, look, I just want to
play my part. I want to play a few minutes
off the bench here and there if we get a
few first great appearances. He played in every single game

(01:24:09):
and started all but one of them and one lock
of the year. So Aaron Clark is with us this
hour and Rob Walter, black Caps coach, going to join us.
But the sounds of it, the weather's okay in the Mounts,
so we should get some form of cricket tonight. Maybe
not an entire forty overs, but some cricket. We've got
thirteen deliveries last night. Rob Walter, though more, I want

(01:24:30):
to deject to more about how he's finding the role
four months into it, having taken over from Gary Stead.
How's he finding it? So Robalter is going to join us,
and we'll give you the chance to play a sporting
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(01:24:53):
So lots to get through. Let's not mess about too
much longer. The music means that it's time to catch
you up with the things that may have escaped your
attention over the last twenty four hours or so. In
case she missed it, here on News Talks head Beat,
starting with another World Para Athletics Championship gold medal for
Kiwi sprinter Danielle Hison. She has smashed her own world

(01:25:17):
record to win the woman's T thirty six two hundred
meters title for a third straight year. Agents, it's gonna
be fast. World record's gone level and second burns on
gast the bronze, but Daniel agents and takes the gold again.
Fantastic from Danielle Hison. An opening day to forget, though,
for Liam Lawson at Formula one's Singapore Grand Prix.

Speaker 18 (01:25:39):
Is it the wool Liam Lawson that is going to
see the racing ball lip home and might cause another
red flag because the tire is still wheeling its way down.

Speaker 17 (01:25:51):
The track and is right outside our cometry box.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Yes, indeed it did. The Kiwi driver heading the wall
during the second practice session, triggering a red flag at
the Marina Bay Street circuit qualifying though, is tonight back
home North Harbor have avoided a winless n piece rugby season.

Speaker 18 (01:26:07):
In field path to playing a Nuku, playing a nuku
doing guinny Guinea.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Who's gonna starred?

Speaker 14 (01:26:13):
North?

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Have them?

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
Where did you find that they are?

Speaker 14 (01:26:17):
Over?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
For their second five pointer of the ninth fifteen fourteen
the final score over Southland at Albany Born with meantime
up to the giddy heights of second on the Premier
League Football Ladder, coming from one nil down to beat
Fulham three one this morning coast, gunning toach. Nobody up
with him at the moments, gunnintoach. Here they come Samanio

(01:26:39):
to finish it. The cherry's high in the Trennial League
Tree tonight to the Women's Cricket World Cup, England bowled
South Africa out for sixty nine inside twenty one overs
and then chase that target down in the fifteenth without
losing a wicket right tickled away to the boundary. And
that is a comfortable win for England, a win by

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ten wickets and plenty of overs in hand. But Now'mnginui's
reign has scuppered the blas chances of reclaiming crickets Chapel
Hadley Trophy. Last night second T twenty against Australia eventually
reduced to a nine over match, but just two point
one overs were possible before rain came and washed the
whole thing out. At least Jacob Duffy picked up a

(01:27:22):
wicket though cloth daway and does that carry. It's a
great catch.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Diving forward dev and Conroy with the safe hands.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
And Jacob Duffy beck.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
In the wickets loose Voice of Sport on your Home
of Sports Weekends Forward with Jason Vane, News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
News TALKSB and Weekend Sport twelve minutes past two. What
a pleasure to welcome in one of our best ever
basketballers and now one of the world's foremost sporting executives.
He was the first New Zealand born player to play
in the NBA and had time with the Toronto Raptors,
the Miami Heat, the San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns, New
Orleans Hornets and Portland Trailblazers. He won the NBA Championship

(01:28:04):
as a player with San Antonio in two two thousand
and five, and then as an assistant coach in twenty fourteen.
He played thirty three times for the Tall Blacks, went
to two Olympic games, and was an integral part of
the New Zealand team that finished fourth at the two
thousand and two Feber World Championship. Since twenty sixteen, he

(01:28:25):
has been general manager of the Brooklyn Nets in the NBA.
Who else, of course, but Sean Marks. Welcome in, Shawn,
and thank you for joining us across New Zealand this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Pleasure great to talk, Thanks, Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Let's start with the upcoming season for the Brooklyn Nets.
You brought in five rookies in the draft. You already
had a young roster, it's probably the youngest in the NBA.
How do you balance success with development?

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Yeah, look, it's a great one.

Speaker 17 (01:28:49):
I think we have to categorize success for us as
going to be how these young guys develop over the
course of the year. I mean, we're developing young men
both on and off the court. When you have four nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Year olds at the draft now on your roster, that's
exciting to me.

Speaker 17 (01:29:04):
When you sort of trying to predict what are they
going to look like in a year, two, three years
down the road here and what are you putting around
them for them to have success both individually and at
that point, that's where team success comes as well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
So for us, I don't know that we're going to
be overly wrapped up in the wins and the losses
in the record.

Speaker 17 (01:29:24):
I mean that's going to be what it is, and
hopefully we can prove a lot of people wrong and
where the pundits have us picked. But at the same time,
having patients and looking down the road at how these
young young Menigan develop over the next two or three
years is going to be really important for the franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
As a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Your head coach, Jordy Finnandez is regarded as one of
the best talent nurturers in the NBA, So how can
you best support him as you as you go through
this period.

Speaker 17 (01:29:53):
Yeah, look, I think both of us need to have
the same vision for like, how are we going to
do this? I mean, Jordie's incredibly competitive. I think the
sweat equity of the coaching staff for second to none.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
The development is proven over the last year.

Speaker 17 (01:30:07):
It's certainly an exciting time and a great opportunity for
him to showcase continue to showcase the development of him
and his coaching starts, but for him to try and
continue to put our players in places to have success.
Right and to support him and realize, like, look, you know,
we're building this and it's the goal of us of
the Nets franchise is to have sustainable success.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
So that's what we want to do.

Speaker 17 (01:30:30):
We don't want to no knee jerk reactions to how
do we win a couple more games than we maybe
should have, but it comes at the detriment of long
term success here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
So we do have to have a bit of patience.

Speaker 17 (01:30:43):
But at the same time, it's exciting to go out
there and hopefully prove some people wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Do you have a patient ownership group, and I guess
as importantly a patient fan base.

Speaker 17 (01:30:53):
Well, I think from an ownership standpoint, Joe si is
privy to every conversation and every deal and the trajectory
of the team. He knows exactly what the objective here
and how.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
We're going to do it.

Speaker 17 (01:31:06):
You know, I think being in our fan base in
New York specifically, you know, I would not say that
they're exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Patient, But I don't think any fans are patient.

Speaker 17 (01:31:15):
I mean, I think they want to see they want
to see a team making the right strides. They want
to be able to get behind a team playing the
right brand of basketball, and I think that's what they're
going to see with the Nets.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
These guys are scrappy, they play.

Speaker 17 (01:31:26):
Hard, they exhibit that Brooklyn grit, which is what we
talk about here, and if they're playing the right way,
and I think our fan base can see okay, like
I can see a few a couple of future Nets
on this roster, and I can see them building. I
think that our fan base will get behind us. And
they've been incredibly great thus far, for not only myself,

(01:31:47):
but for the entire team, in the entire organization.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
So you've settled now on a draft and develop strategy
as opposed to a superstar acquisition philosophy.

Speaker 17 (01:31:58):
Well, I think you have to keep all your avenues
wide open because you never know what's going to happen,
you know. I mean, I don't want to predict that
this is how it's going to play out, and it's
going to be a long build because I you know,
I'm patient and I want to build patiently, but I
want to build with the right players, and you never
know when those right players are going to come about.

(01:32:19):
I mean, players can develop sooner and quicker than you
may have expected. But you can also you know, certain
trades come along quicker and maybe unforeseen at this particular juncture.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
So I wouldn't want to predict that we're going to
do a certain thing.

Speaker 17 (01:32:34):
And then I think the best thing we can do
is prepare for everything, but prepare that ultimately we want
to have sustainable success and ultimately we want to be competing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
You know in this in this market, you've been at
the nets for nearly a decade now. During your time day,
you've dealt with some of the biggest names in the sport,
the likes of Karov and Kevin Durant, James Harden. How
do you deal seoran with such big stars.

Speaker 17 (01:33:01):
Well, I think with everybody, it's about being honest and transparent.
I think if you can sit there and have an
honest conversation with guys is like how we're trying to
do things. I don't think anybody wants surprises. I don't
like to be surprised, and I don't think big stars
like to be surprised. And I think when you're talking
about guys like you just did, you know, they're the
ones that you know their legacy is at stay at stake.

(01:33:23):
They want to win and they want to win now, right,
and I think that was the timeline of what we
were on there, and we did everything we possibly could
to put out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
A team and a roster that was capable of doing
just that.

Speaker 17 (01:33:33):
You know, our focus right now is on developing these
young men that we have right here, and that's just
as exciting. I mean, perhaps some different expectations, but the
goal here is to build them up to where this
this burrow and this market.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Is excited to watch the next iteration of the nets.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Sean, have you been able to get the same buzz
from coaching and now general management as you did as
a basketball player?

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Great question.

Speaker 17 (01:34:02):
I think it comes at different times in your life.
And you know, at now fifty years old, I would
not be getting the same buzz out of playing. I
would be I'd be getting hurt. So that's that's not
what That's not what I would want to do. But look,
I loved I love competition. I think we're a fiercely
competitive group.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Here as that fits you know, Jordy and I well,
you know, so you want to have that.

Speaker 17 (01:34:28):
Competitive spirit, whether you're playing, whether you're coaching, whether you're
in the front office, and you want all groups to
feel like we're all in sync together. There's nothing worse
than feeling like you're in a silo and it's it's
one versus or not.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
I think we need to be in aligned with ownership.

Speaker 17 (01:34:46):
We need to be aligned with how we're going to
build this thing and and play the right way, the
right system, with the right cost of characters.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
And amongst all the basketball that you played. And it
is a glittering CV. Where does the Tall Blacks fourth
place finish at the World Champs in two thousand and two?

Speaker 8 (01:35:02):
Sit?

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Uh, you know, I've said it several times.

Speaker 17 (01:35:08):
I think wearing your country's uniform, your jersey and New
Zealand on the front inches, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Nothing like that.

Speaker 15 (01:35:16):
That is that is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Top of the top, you know. And I, by the way, I.

Speaker 17 (01:35:21):
Loved winning championships with San Antonio without a doubt. But
you know, as a young kid tall and tor Bay,
I don't know that I ever could have predicted, you know,
playing for your country and playing at the Olympics and
playing in the World Champs. So I think that's that's
the cream of the crop right there, to be able
to say you represent your country as second to none.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Special group of players. You look at the roster just
generational talent in there is there a dynamic in that
group which means that if you happen to get together now,
even just with a couple of those guys, would it
just be like old times, you'd slip into the same conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
I'm sure we would.

Speaker 8 (01:35:55):
I mean it was.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
It was a great group.

Speaker 17 (01:35:57):
I mean, we're we're all still on WhatsApp channels together
and several of them have come through here pretty regularly
a visit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Which you know, I love you.

Speaker 17 (01:36:06):
We shared, you know, obviously some great, great memories, some
common bonds and so forth, and some memories that are
going to last us us a lifetime together, for sure,
without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Earlier this year at junior Tall Blacks were fourth at
the under nineteen World Cup. Last year as seventeen's fourth
at their World Cup. Are you aware of the new
wave of young Kiwi basketballers coming through?

Speaker 17 (01:36:27):
I am very aware, actually, and I think that's just
I could not be more proud of of of those,
you know, young men and women to be quite frank,
that are representing the country at all different age groups.
I think it's inspiring and hopefully it helps inspiring another
generation after them to continue to grow and you know,
guys like Pio and Kirk and Steven Adams and the

(01:36:50):
guys that have played over here or represented the country at.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
The highest levels.

Speaker 17 (01:36:55):
Hopefully they inspired this group to you know, and come
and do better than the ones that came before them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
I think that's that's the only thing we can hope for.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Just to finish. Can you watch a game of basket
ball now, just for the pleasure of watching a game
of basketball or not?

Speaker 17 (01:37:13):
I can probably watch my kids games at that level,
but yeah, not really. If I'm going to watch a
game or something for just the sake of just mindless
TV or something, it's it's probably not basketball. It's probably
a different sport. But I will say I continue to
critique those as well. It's it just comes with the territory.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Really appreciate your time, Sean. That's a great pleasure to
catch up. All the best for the NBA season ahead
with the Brooklyn Nets.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Cheers, Jason, all the best mate, Now, all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
The best of you too, Sewan. Sean Mark's there, the
one and only general manager Brooklyn Nets and one of
our absolute great when it comes to basketball and now
basketball general management management, one of our truly one of
the foremost sporting executives around the world flying the Kiwi
flag twelve twenty three minutes past two twenty three minutes
past two twelve eight. White cut A lead Canterbury early

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in the second half of the Farah Palmer Cup Final.
Can tell you from the NPC Otago seven five ahead
of Auckland at Auckland Grammar School this game as they
approach the twenty minute mark and Wellington seven mill ahead
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Aaron Clark has had a tremendous season, capped by his
inclusion in the dally M Team of the Year this

(01:39:29):
week gone. How does he reflect on that and on
his season? Aaron Clark going to join us for a
chat after this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
News Talks B two twenty seven. Completing your NRL Team
of the Year lock Ford Aaron Clark, New Zealand Warriors.

Speaker 8 (01:40:00):
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
That was Warriors play. Aaron Clark receiving his accolade at
the presentation event for the Dallyms on Wednesday night. Fellow
Warrior Peyton Takimwana also secured a spot on the team.
She was one of the wingers in the women's team.
Aaron Clark was voted Lock of the Year in the
men's team. Eron Clark featured in all twenty five of

(01:40:23):
the Warriors games this season, starting all but one of
those matches, and he joins us now. Aaron, congratulations on
this recognition, this accolade and tremendous season. How cool was
it to stand up there on Wednesday night as one
of the members of the Dallym Team of the Year.

Speaker 8 (01:40:42):
I think, oh, hello, first off, but I think just
being recognized was a big achievement for not just me
but my family. And to be at a function among
some of the best players in the game was pretty special.
And then to hear my name at the end there,
I was like, damn, that was pretty surprising. But yeah,
I was pretty proud and I'm happy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
What were your goals and ambitions when you joined the
Warriors at the end of last season.

Speaker 8 (01:41:11):
Honestly, Bro, I just wanted to come here just and
come home, and I felt like I had unfinished business
here in a way because I left here and I
wasn't i could have given my all at that time
because I wasn't in the right mental space. And I
feel like I'm in the right mental space now and
I can do that. And I'm quite happy that I'm

(01:41:34):
giving my all to this club because that's all I
wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
From being honest, how different are you from the player
and the person who left the Warriors in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 8 (01:41:43):
Well, I think, well, honestly, I think the person side
of things is what's helped my game a lot. I've
got a good group of boys around me at the club,
good coaching stuff to keep me on the straight and narrow.
But yeah, I think just I think having three kids,
bro kind of you got to grow up quick and
it gives you a bit of a purpose. It's not
just about you anymore. So I think that's the biggest one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
How happy were you with your season? First of all,
let's talk about you personally. How how happy were you?
But the way you played across the season, I was happy, mate.

Speaker 8 (01:42:15):
But the cool thing is like for me personally is
I still got so much to improve on it. So
much to learn. It's it's different this year because I'm
on the field a lot, a lot longer, so I
need to learn certain ways to save energy here and there.
But now I'm just just loving it, bro just loving

(01:42:37):
the opportunity that was given to me, and I'm hopefully
I've taken it with both hands. I hope everyone can see.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
I didn't see you saving energy at all during the season,
and when were you doing that?

Speaker 8 (01:42:48):
But personally, I think just trying to free up my
halves a bit more like obviously you see the run
I do and the carries, but I think I can
work on my passing game to give my halves a
bit of space, and that's something that's that's going to
help me save energy, where I can put my energy
into different places other than just running all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
I look at the stats, and I know they only
tell some of the story. But you made more tackles
than any other Warriors player this season. You averaged thirty
four tackles per game at ninety five percent tackle efficiency.
How much do you pride yourself on that part of
your game?

Speaker 8 (01:43:23):
I think defense. Defense is the massive part of our
game these days. Made and when I get tired I
need to make sure that stays up. And I didn't
even know those stats. Brown, It's quite quite much to
hear that, because I thought it was heaps worse than that.
So you saying that I was, I'm pretty proud of that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
What sort of physical toll does that take on you?
Now a game when you're making thirty four tackles on average,
you're up and down. That isn't even in start. You know,
to think about the time with ball and hand yourself
and the run meters that you make, what is your recovery, Like.

Speaker 8 (01:43:59):
You're probably bestress and asses has to put up with
it the next day. But to go from play twenty
minutes at the time as the year before to maybe
fifty plus week and week out. It definitely took a
toll on me o body. But I think midway through
the year kind of I kind of got used to it.
But at the start made waking up the next day

(01:44:21):
hardly could move and like, that's the game we play,
and that's the toughest game in the world, and I
wouldn't want it any other way. Like I'll put everything
on the line for my team and all the fans
and my family. So yeah, that's I don't care about
my body.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
At the time when you were having conversations with Andrew Webster,
you know, at the start of the season and during
the season, was that something that he was keen for
you to do, to play those sort of fifty fifty
five minute games rather than the twenty minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:44:49):
No, honestly, Bro, I think I just came to be
that bench middle, to come off the bench and maybe
do that twenty in a minute role. But obviously we
lost two great players and Dylan and Tahu, and I
just found myself there and what an opportunity to take
and I wanted to take it with both hands.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
And yeah, and here's another step for you. You averaged
one hundred and forty seven run meters per game, so
that's ball and hand stuff. Only Roger and Chance ran
for more meters than you did this season for the Warriors.
So how how proud are you of your ball and
hand contribution to this team.

Speaker 8 (01:45:30):
Yeah, I'm proud, Bro, But like I said, so, it's
got so much more to learn. And that's something I
wanted to work on this year, was my at Tech.
And yeah, I just felt like it's slowly coming. But yeah,
like I said, I just want to get better with
my passing game to free up my half backs and
for next year.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
So no tries though, what's the story there? No tries
this season?

Speaker 8 (01:45:56):
No tries?

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:45:58):
Oh truth, Love, I didn't go there to score tries.
I'll rather the sleeves up and let the other boys
score the trials. I'll do the running for me.

Speaker 15 (01:46:06):
Love love that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
And if we look at the team, I mean, a
good season, especially compared to last season, made the eight
and then obviously one week into the playoffs. What what
do the Warriors have to do to build on twenty
twenty five when twenty twenty six rolls around.

Speaker 8 (01:46:21):
I think with this year, mate, Look, obviously we lost
a lot of key players in Mitch and Luke, and
over the year we lost a bit of experience with
Fish going down, Chanelle going down for a week, and
we've got to butt a few of the young boys,
and I think next year they're going to be in
our season in rol players and that's only going to

(01:46:42):
help us because our depth at this club's crazy, bro
and it's good. So I reckon those young boys are
going to have a big influence on how we go
next year, and they'll be ready. Luck they were this year,
but even better.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
So how will you switch off during the off season?
I guess three kids might be the answer to that.

Speaker 8 (01:47:00):
Our wife and three kids fully takes up so much
time during the year, brow and I think all my
time is going to be with them. They mean a
lot to me, Bros. Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
No better way, no better way to spend it, man,
No better way to spend it. Got a prediction for
the Grand Final? Storm or Broncos?

Speaker 7 (01:47:19):
Who you got?

Speaker 8 (01:47:20):
I'm going Broncos, mate. I just think they're hitting their
strift at the right time, and they got a lot
of a lot of key players and Reese Walsh and
Paying Heath and if Reesa is firing that they're just
going to be too hard to stop him. With Reynolds,
Reynolds and the Harves, he's just the maister of the team, Bosa,
I reckon, Broncos are going to do it this time.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Aaron.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Congrats on a terrific season, mate. We've loved watching you
play and awesome to see you receive that accolade on
Wednesday night. Enjoy the off season, look forward to seeing
what twenty twenty six brings.

Speaker 8 (01:47:51):
Thank you, mate, Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
No, I appreciate you joining us here and thanks indeed
and congratulations again Aaron Clark Lock of the Year in
the in the LM Team of the Year announced on
Wednesday night at the awards ceremony in Sydney. Yeh Grand
Final tomorrow night at a Core Stadium in Sydney, Melbourne
Storm Brisbane Broncos. So quite weird to have a couple

(01:48:13):
of teams from outside of New South Wales contesting the
Grand Final. We're going to preview that for you tomorrow
on the show. Of course, there's also some Warriors involvement
as part of Grand Final Day, a chance for the
Warriors to collect their second title in a week. They
won the New South Wales Cup Premiership last weekend, beating
Saint George Lawara in the final. As part of Grand
Final Day tomorrow they play the Burly Bears for the

(01:48:35):
state championship that kicks off at twenty past three New
Zealand Time are going to hear from Bunty four tomorrow
on the show. This will be his final game for
the Warriors. He is not contracted for twenty twenty six,
so how does he reflect on his over a decade
in the first grade side and how keen is he
to go out on a high? Bunty our Foller is
part of our show tomorrow twenty four away from three,

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black Caps chances of reclaiming Crickets Chapel Hadley Trophy last
night second T twenty was eventually reduced down to two
point one overs, so basically abandoned. Bay Oval is again

(01:53:29):
the host for tonight's third and final match of the series.
Black Caps coach Rob Walter is with us out of
the mount despite the rain. Rab are you at least
getting value from having the squad together?

Speaker 7 (01:53:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Absolutely, Obviously disappointing that we don't have a shot at
winning back to Chapel had Ley, but we'll sort of
focus on the givning on trying to level up the scores.
But could to you know, have a run under a
couple of days ago there was a good ard thing
and a lot to learn from that and then you
know it just hats off to the boys yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Even though there's only thirteen balls.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
You know, you wait around all day to get an
up Rginia.

Speaker 8 (01:54:06):
I thought, you know, they did the.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
Thirteen walls well and to pity that you couldn't get
some form of them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
It's good to get the chance to chat to you, Robi.
You've been in the job four months now. Your first
assignment the Tea twenty Try series with South Africa in Zimbabwe.
In Zimbabwe. You won that in a comfortable two nil
Test series won against Zimbabwe was the main advantage for you.
The chance to spend time on tour with your players.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
Yeah, absolutely, I think I always say that you only
know really there were kings of a team and an
environment one walk in issues, so it was good to
just climb to spend a lot of time observing and
obviously connecting with players and staff and just getting a
sense of half things operate and where the potential gaps are.

Speaker 7 (01:54:51):
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
It was a great tour for that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
The two Tests against Zimbabwe were very lopsided. You won
by nine wickets and then by an innings and three
hundred and fifty nine runs. Where do you find value
in lopsided contests like that?

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
I suppose you know, from from a team point of view,
you sort of can only compete with what's in front
of you, and I thought you did that well. The
batter is, you know, you've still got to score the rains.

Speaker 8 (01:55:17):
He's got to apply yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
In test cricket, it doesn't matter who you're playing, and
I thought we'd certainly got better as the two games
went on. And then from a bowling point of view,
you know we had a couple of debut times, so
same thing applies. You know, all of those zumbible test batters,
you know a lot of them have got Test hundreds
and highly experienced, so you still have to bowl well

(01:55:39):
and put the ball in the right area. Then for
young guys making the debuts, I don't think it matters
who you're playing against. The will still be some sort
of element.

Speaker 8 (01:55:46):
Of nerves there.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
So to see them come into the team and really
stand up and thrive was great and sort of great
indication of the environment as well.

Speaker 8 (01:55:56):
So whilst it was lopsided, there's always you know.

Speaker 4 (01:55:59):
There's always stuff to take away that I thought the
guys did impressively.

Speaker 7 (01:56:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
How much of the summer is about preparing for all
the t twenty World Cup in February and March.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Yeah, of course you have one I on that tournament,
and you know sort of working towards it bit by bit.
I think ultimately foundationally, you know the blocks are in place,
and it's just sort of fine tuning and evolving certain
small elements in our game for that competition. And fortunately

(01:56:30):
there's you know, there's a favorit of competition for places
out there, so you know these games are important one
for that, but also for a unit just gets close
and closer to understanding around how we want to play.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
It does feel like we're building some significant white ball death.
Even with a number of players unavailable for this current series,
there's still a very strong side you can put out.
How do you evaluate the player poll for in particular
T twenty and fifty over cricket, I think you know.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
By nature of the way cricket operates at the moment
is you know, franchise leagues pulling players out of international
duty now and then you by default build a bigger pool.
But it's nice to have seen how you know that
pool has delivered good results of I think back to
the Pakistan series at the end of the last summer.
You know, I think Garry and the team did out

(01:57:20):
of a job in terms of building that that depth,
and we're seeing guys getting opportunities to play and really
stepping up when they get those chips. So it's always
a good sign. I mean, at the end of the day,
you're always better. There's more guys competing for a spot
and it makes it sort of drives performance without having
to do too much. So you know, we want as

(01:57:41):
many quality players as we can possibly get because we
know that you know that the international cricket world is
the mind that really it's not possible to just lean
on the resources of a couple of, you know, like
fifteen players and think that that's going to be enough.
So the stronger a pool can be, the better be
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
And cricket and cricket contracts and ever changing issue in
modern day cricket and have a changing landscape. How do
your best navigate the fact that some of your I
seem to really contracted and some of them.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
Oun't well, I think first and foremostly especially for world events,
essentially the casual contracts kind of mirror the peak event
that's in front of us, and so hence the guys
who are contracted this time round with the Tea Twingy
World Cup next year. You just want to have your
best players available to play for your country, you know,
And that's kind of what we try to achieve. We

(01:58:30):
understand the landscapes changing and it's and it changes quickly,
so we just want to be as flexible as we
possibly can within either realms of contracting really, and it's
it's not something that you can kind of make it
to everyone. It's just have to do the best that
you possibly can for everyone that's involved in the system.
And so we certainly try and achieve that. But you know,

(01:58:52):
guys are still committed to playing for for the black
Caps and we see that when they come back into
the environment, and so you know, we've got a group
of players that are really hungry and want to do well.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
One of those on occasional playing agreement this season is
King Williamson. He opted out of this current series against Australia.
How often are we going to see Kane Williamson play
for New Zealand over the next few months.

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
I'm pretty sure that mc kane will be running out
for the black Caps. The sort of mechanisms of exactly
what that looks like we're still you know, chatting about
and working out and obviously that you know, Kane's played
and represented the black Caps for a very long time
and there's really an icon of the black Caps units.
So trying to ultimately manage his time and manage the

(01:59:37):
program running forward in this also appreciating you know, the
other elements of his life that needs to take care of.

Speaker 8 (01:59:43):
Is you know, this is what we're in conversation with.

Speaker 4 (01:59:45):
But like all these guys, I keep saying, you know,
he's dedicated to just still playing for the black Caps
and that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
Just the three test matches this home summer or before Christmas,
all against the West Indies. I know, you know you
can't control this frog, but would you like to be
playing some red ball cricket at home in January and February?

Speaker 4 (02:00:04):
Yeah, I mean, obviously that is a big time of
our summer and for the international schedule is what it
is really and the World Cup being in February is
you know, that's where it's been positioned and ultimately we
have to prep for that. So you know, if you
look forward to the following year, we've got ten test
matches in the almost so you know, that will be

(02:00:25):
a massive Test match season for us, and you know,
if you're a test Test match lover and the love
of the puris format of the game, that's going to
be the time you're going to be very interested with
tourist England and Australia and India and in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
So it'll be awesome, rightch and Ravendra is he okay
after his collision with the advertising hauling the other day?

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
Yeah, I know he's he's okay. I mean, I think ultimately,
you know, he's a bit bashed up and there's a
you know, a wound that needs healing on his face
and we didn't want to take any chancewers with that.
But hopefully, you know, the healing takes place in the
time frames that it shouldn't be see him back fairly soon.
But it could have been a lot worse.

Speaker 7 (02:01:05):
But we still for him.

Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
I know how Desperty was to play this series, so
I know he was highly highly disappointed when he when
he wasn't able to.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
And your White Bull captain Mitchell Santner recovering from a
sports hernia he suffered playing in the hundred in England.
Has he been in and around this team, the team
this week.

Speaker 4 (02:01:23):
Yeah, he's been here for essentially, you know, the time
as we've been in the Monk, he's been with us.
It's obviously important for me having him around as a
White Bull captain. Sometimes it's quite handy having him in
the box with me while the game's going on, so
we can talk, you know, strategy and I can understand
what he sees from a captaincy point of view. So

(02:01:43):
and then also just just chipping away his rehab and
a little bit of cricker that he's able to do.
So it's been it's been really good having him run
all right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
And I think I heard Lockie Ferguson was down for
a bowl yesterday. He's got a hamstring strain and he's
recovering from so is he somewhere close to a return
all going, Well, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:02:03):
We're not quite sure exactly when that will be because
obviously it's an injury that we need to manage properly,
and we want to get the management of it right again.
You know, you know, the Key and Markey event is
next year in February, so it's really about making sure
they'd be given the best chance of putting his name
forward for that competition, so we'll just take the time

(02:02:24):
that we need to to make sure you know, everything
gets done properly.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
All right, and crucially, how are we looking for a
bit of cricket tonight?

Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
Well, at the moment the sun's out, you'll be happy
to know. So right, there's a lot of cloud around,
but the weather forecast, although will be them, I'm not
reliable at the best of times, says that it's going
to be clear by this evening, so we'll think times.

Speaker 2 (02:02:45):
That's so sure, we'll keep our fingers crossed. Rob, all
the best for tonight and on through the summer. Look
forward to catching up again. But thanks for taking the
time this afternoon. No, no, thank you, No there you
take care too. Thanks indeed, Rob Walter, black Caps coach
seven to three News Talks, he'd be news Talks, he'll
be that's us all weekend Sport. Huge thanks to Libby
for producing the show time Beverageapter three with the Weekend
Collective All BLACKSTI nineteen forty five for commentary here on

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News Talks, edb so taking us out Western Australian band
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Speaker 8 (02:03:18):
So this is it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Heaven must be there. We'll see tomorrow at midday to
unpack the rugby five an hour for more from Weekend
Sport with Jason Paine.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
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