Full Show Podcast: 05 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Hell to get Afternoon. Welcome in to the Sunday edition
of Weekend Sport on News Talks V October five. Happy
sixty fifth birthday to nineteen eighty seven World Cup winning
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I'm Jason Pine show producer. Today Bevan Dua. We're talking

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sport until three. We are going to cover the netball
off after one no resolution in the ongoing Dame Noline
Toddua saga where to from here? Netble New Zealand CEO
Jenny Wiley is on the show straight after the one
o'clock New and then New Zealand Netball Players Association Executive

(01:09):
manager Steph Bond. Your reaction to this as well so
netball for you after one first up though last night's
rugby and Perth.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
That is full time and the All Blacks when there
are eleventh straight match over their trans Tasman rivals twenty
eight to.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Fourteen seventy one Test All Blacks front rower Wyatt Crockett
standing by to give us his analysis, the postgame thoughts
of head coach Scott Robertson and standout center who knew
he was a center? Quinn to pire. Plenty of time
for your calls and feedback as well. Lines open immediately
as the All Blacks are our focus to start the
show what you saw last night and now we can

(01:49):
assess where the All Blacks are following the Rugby Championship
and ahead of the Northern Tour stand out players things
to furrow your brow? Have they improved and where are
the growth areas for the All Blacks. We'll kick around
some rugby matters between now and one o'clock others around today.
The NRL season has its climax today in Sydney Grand

(02:10):
Final Melbourne Storm the Brisbane Broncos Tonight from nine point thirty.
I'm going to preview that with Jake Duke. Don't forget. Also,
the Warriors are involved on Grand Final Sunday in Sydney
as well. The reserve grade side, after winning the New
South Wales Cup last weekend come up against the Burly
Bears the interstate final, if you can call it that.

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From three twenty this afternoon. On Friday, the Government announced
a five million dollar investment into a new centre court
roof for Auckland's Manuka Doctor Tennis Arena at Stanley Street.
CEO of Tennis, Auckland, Row and West with us this
afternoon to tell us how significant The Sirs James mcconey
as usual on a Sunday as well Livesport while we're

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on their this afternoon. The final two matches of the
NPC's regular season Tasman against Counties Manico and Nelson from
five past two. Now, Counties need to win this game
to jump into the top eight ahead of Northland who
are currently eight. Tasman are raw Rey safe in the
playoff spots and they can't move into the top four
even if they win. They're going to finish in that

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five to eight bracket. A bit later on Canterbury against
Tartanucky and christ Jurge. Canterbury to win with a bonus
point to top the table. If they can't, Otago will
be top qualifiers heading into the playoffs. What a season
they've had, Loga Wood locked away and now looking like
they could be top qualifier for the NPC playoffs. Tartanuky
can jump into the top four if they beat Canterbury

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Speaker 4 (04:04):
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Speaker 5 (04:13):
It's Jorge Bell.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
What a way to finish. The All Blacks have said
a new record winning streak of eleven on the trot
over the Wallabies with a twenty eight to fourteen Bletterslow
Cup win in Perth last night. The bonus point win
meant the All Blacks finished equal with South Africa at
the top of the Rugby Championship table, but the Box
take the title on points differential after they beat Argentina

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twenty nine to twenty seven at Twickenham a few hours
after the game in Perth was all over. We're taking
your course this afternoon, but let's bring in seventy one
test All Blacks front row White Crockett for his analysis. White,
thanks for joining us this afternoon. You'll have enjoyed the
last act of the game, a big front rower crashing
over to score the bonus point try.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Absolutely, heah, that was good and I thought Lera Canda
that did a good week front row try on the
first time to Deny. So he's taking some of the
glory of the lower numbers unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well yeah, indeed, How happy do you think the All
Blacks coaching staff the players will be with their performance
last night?

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Well?

Speaker 6 (05:16):
I don't think yeah, I think they'll be really happy
to finish on a good note. You know, there's certainly
semester picks that didn't go to playing, I think, but
all in all, I think it was pretty good performance.
Definitely good to see least to get back out there,
and I thought he played really well and some of
the other young guys that have had a crack Quinty
poor again. I thought he played outstanding, really good off

(05:38):
the beach last week and really took his chances tonight.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, he was a standout, wasn't he at center? He
hasn't played there a lot. Do you think he might
be a long term option now? In that thirteen jumper?

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Well, he was outstanding, he wasn't he. I think he
came on there last week as well, but definitely I
think he's certainly put his hand up. And I thought
the other guy obviously, I thought they might have given
lessa a bit of a bit of time at center
as well, But maybe that's something to come in the
end of your tour.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, first thirty minutes of the game, but MESSI the
connections were hard to find. Just twenty four percent position
for the All Blacks in the first twenty Why do
you think it took them a little while to get
into the game.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Yeah. I think Australia started pretty well actually, and I
was probably a little bit unfortunate with that the crocodile
rock to mess out on that try to Ellen tower.
But you know, they sort of brought it in that
first half, didn't they. And it was I think that
the big turning factor was actually a couple of good
scrumpenalties in that first half, sort of got us out

(06:41):
of trouble a couple of times and got us down
the other end of the park. And then yeah, just
in that last ten minutes, we sort of took a
couple of opportunities, didn't we, And that was, you know,
in the end, probably the winning of the game.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
What are you seeing from the All Blacks that set
peacetime this year, in particular in the last couple of games, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
Think I think we have no doubt. We had our
struggles with SEFGA and even at times against TENA, I thought,
but they've they seem to have settled and you know,
we had a couple of guys coming back from injury
with tomighty and and Tyrrell and but yeah, this last
couple of weeks, I think they've really stepped stepped up again.

(07:20):
And you know, particularly tonight the scrum was was really good.
And as I they've got us out of trouble a
couple of times, and I think we've probably got the
better of the Aussies again in the lineouts, which again
such a critical part of the game is winning good
quality ball. So now I think they've definitely taken a
couple of strikes forward after maybe just a couple of

(07:41):
we must help earlier on in the season. I think, yeah, yeah,
Jason Ryn were a lot happier after these two games.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Do you think to Mighty Williams and Fletcher and Newell
are putting genuine pressure on Ethan de Grut and Tyrell Lomax?
So I guess I've been the generally accepted starting front
rowers for the last little while. Do you think Tomighty
and Fletcher are putting genuine pressure on in those positions?

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yeah, I think they certainly playing very very well, and
I think you know whether or not they're putting pressure
on the start, but I think that you know they've
Jason will be really thinking about it, as you know,
they've got four quality props and whoever starts or finishes
the game probably at this stage doesn't really matter too much,
which is an awesome position to outstanding position to be

(08:25):
and you know, and that's and that's I think where
they're getting to is that position where like, who are
we better to finish the test match with? And who
are we better to start the test match with? And yeah,
so I don't even know if there's too much separation
between all four of them at the moment, it's pretty
I think they're all pretty close and playing well.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, and add a couple more and with Bustle or
Tossy George Bower last night of course as well. Why
are there certain front row forwards? Are there certain prop
forwards who are better suited to a bench roll than
a starting role?

Speaker 6 (08:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, I definitely believe that
there are some that are just a little bit potentially
a bit more mobile and you know, suit that sort
of last twenty thirty minutes when the game can break
open a wee bit and there's certainly you know, front
rowers are probably more suited that first twenty where first

(09:16):
twenty thirty minutes of the game where you know, it's
probably a little bit but tighter teams are a little
bit more probably reserved in their attack. So yeah, I
definitely do think there's you you probably have your strongest
scrammager on at the start of the game, I would say,
and then you probably have your probably more athletic ballplayers

(09:40):
on them. The second half would probably be the general.
All the time.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
You often see you know, front rows come on and
you know, off the bench and straight away they got
to go into the scrum. Happens quite a lot. How
challenging is that to come on and then just pack
down straight away?

Speaker 6 (09:55):
Yeah, it can be like I think we you know,
you work really hard at that sort of stuff, and
no doubt the guys on the on the sideline are
you know doing some potentially some two on twos or
three on threes not not to get ready and you
know mentally, you know front Road coach will be talking
to them. I know it's certainly back in the case
case when I was playing, but yeah, it's it's definitely

(10:18):
a mindset thing and you know you're going and you know,
a couple of too on Tuesdays is actually going into
a live eight or eight test matsagram it. There's definitely
a big step up. So you do have to, you know,
work really hard on that and get used to that
as a bench player, making sure that when you do
hit that first dram you're ready to go and you

(10:40):
mentally switched on.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
It's certainly a twenty three man game now, wasn't it
the impact from the all black spench? I know you
were quite impressed with it last week? Did you Did
you see the same impact off the bench last night?

Speaker 6 (10:51):
It was it was a different game, wasn't it last night?
You know, the rain came down and I felt like
the games sort of a deteriorated a wee bit in
that second half. Obviously Australia we're playing catch up footy
and and it was a little bit. Yeah, just sort
of lost that structure a week bit so hard to
say really, but you know last week I thought they

(11:12):
were absolutely outstanding and really, you know, probably one I
set test match. So some good signs obviously, you know,
probably over the last couple of years you'd have to
say that, you know, we haven't potentially finished the games
as well as we would have liked a lot. I
know that's something that the coaches have talked about a bit.
So some pleasing signs that the bench have been coming

(11:34):
on and doing good job.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
So as the coaches now sort of reflect on the
Rugby Championship they've got a bit of time off and
then they look ahead to the final tests of the
year Island Scotland, England Wales November Test matches. What do
you think they'll be looking at in terms of further
growth areas. You know, obviously they've they've won seven out
of nine, so that looks good on paper. Where do
you think that the growth area is if you want

(11:57):
to call them that for the All Blacks.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
Well, I think that right across the board really, but
I think, you know, they'll be really pleased with the
growth of some of the the guys that have stepped
into their first Test match season. And awesome to see
the lights of Quinty Pie coming off after some pretty
horrific injuries and coming back and and really nailing his opportunity.
Looking forward to seeing, you know, Lester have a bit

(12:20):
more of a crack and a bit more time, you know,
seeing what position they look to put him in. I
notice I've been playing him in the midfield and Tasman.
I wonder whether that's a bit of a sign of
something that they're trying to think about. But yeah, I'm
looking forward to seeing you again that sort of further
development of those you know that front row and those

(12:42):
that locking combination which has which has changed around that
through injury over the last few weeks. But we've got
some quality there now, which is which is good to see.
And yeah, so just just I suppose to bear the
development of what they've been doing and and looking to, yeah,
to improve them where they've been.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Do you think they were a better side than they
were at the start of the year.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
I think that they've definitely uncovered some some huge talent
and that's exciting and I think that, yeah, I do
think that they've they've they're further along than there. I
suppose the growth towards being able to have, you know,
a squad of a really strong squad of thirty to
thirty five players to go into a World Cup where

(13:22):
you know, this as an injury or two or three
been a comfortable whereas you know, I think maybe going
back last year they used very much it was the
same twenty three weekend week out, and you know, I
know that's been a real focus of the current group.
Has to grow that, grow that squad to a confident
dirty that can week in week out. You know, this

(13:46):
has changes that I suppose the team doesn't change too much,
was not effected so much, so I think that's been
been a real growth this year.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
You never lost the blitter Slow Cup during your time
in the team. Was it always a focus that transtatsman,
I don't know Rugby World Cups are there in rugby championships,
but was the Blitterslow Cup always something that got specifically
talked about as a piece of silver boy where you
didn't want to let go of.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Absolutely, yeah, it did. You know, we're fortunate, Well, I
think I think in some ways we're fortunate. There have
some guys in the group that had really it had
been a battle to win it back. And you know,
also having grown up in that era where Australia we're
quite dominant and we lost quite a few closing Bleederson encounters.

(14:31):
It was always spoken about the week of a Bledersow
Cup how important that trophy is to New Zealanders and
right up there as the number one trophy behind the
World Cup. So we we used to love it and
you know, to retain it as a you know, yeah,
it's a real privilege and yeah, it was always a

(14:52):
big moment of the season to retain that cup soiled
up and have a wed drinking out of it.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I bet, I bet. And just a word on James Slipper,
you would have had a few battles with him. One
hundred and fifty one test matches all done, now, did
you did you relish packing down against a guy.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
That Yeah, well we obviously played, we both played Lucy
and so often didn't come up against each other on
a one on one position. But yeah, just James one
hundred and firsty Teast matches. It's a lot of scrum machines,
it's a lot of a lot of mules and a
lot of saw body So just at an incredible effort

(15:26):
to get through that maunt of work. And I think
he's he's closing in on two hundred two for rugby
games on top of that, and to still be starting
and and playing the way he has, that's pretty incredible.
Well very yeah, not only three people have done every
nay and he's the first front rower. So congratulations to James.
A wonderful career. And yes, always the pleasure to play

(15:49):
against men like Homie was always always good up for
a beer and a chad after the game as well,
which was which was nice. And it seems like a
good fella so congratulations.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Good stuff. Really appreciate your an elysis this afternoon, mate,
Thanks for joining.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Us nowhere is it all pointy? Please?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Thanks, thank thanks, White White Croc. There are seventy one
test All Blacks front row with some fairly astute analysis.
They're not only of the front row but of the
All Blacks in twenty twenty five. Your chance to react
now lines open. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Anything you heard there from White Crocket or anything else
that caught your eye or your ear last night, quintupire

(16:27):
tremendous classic. Really that it's taken us this long to
discover that he is a very handy center. We've always
considered him to be a twelve. I don't think he's
played at thirteen, well, certainly not the last few years anyway.
For the Chiefs I heard, I think it was Liam
Napier on the Rugby Direct podcast, so that he might
have played or started at thirteen five years ago. On

(16:51):
the evidence of last night, though, he might be the
All Blacks long term. Thirteen just really really good. Not
just as tries, although both of those were impressive, but
the way he straightened our attack took on the line
and did the thing that all great centers do and
that's created a bit of space for his outsides. So
quint To Pyre, I think, you know, took his chance.

(17:12):
And they always say in the all Blacks environment, don't they,
that you've got to take your chance, and Quinta Pire's
had to wait for his of course, had that injury
which kept him out for so long. But he's made
his way back and came off the bench in the
last four Test matches, the second against Argentina, both against
South Africa and against Australia up in Auckland. He came

(17:34):
off the bench in all four of those Test matches,
impressed every time. Got the start last night, I don't
think in the position that a lot of people would
have expected and did. I think he was man of
the match. Thought it was our best player, quint To Pyre.
So I just wonder whether the Chiefs might look at
him there. They obviously have some pretty handy midfield backs.

(17:59):
But I wonder whether Scott Robertson might have a word
to Chris Gibbs, who his course is taking over from
Clayton McMillan, say, mate, we're quite like John Gibbs, not
Chris Gibbs. We'd quite like the chance to have a
look at Quintupier at center. Leroy Carter really really good again,

(18:22):
another try, insatiable work rate, even right at the end
he was kind of lending his weight to help push
George Bauer over. For that trial, I think pussily O
Tossi was the main impetus, but Leroy Carter was in
there as well in the eighty second minute, still looking
to do some work. He has a very impressive power
to weight ratio, doesn't he His try from a leg

(18:42):
drive close to the line and he does that brilliant
winger thing They always say of going looking for work,
and I know that has to fit inside a game plan.
But he's often at second receiver, isn't he Leroy Carter?
He turns up on the other wing.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
A.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
He's an intriguing player, Leroy Carter, and great to see
Lester faighting anukuback destructive ball carrier ads a point of difference,
has the ability to cover midfield as well. I feel
like with Leroy Carter, Caleb Clark and Leicester fighting a
nuku there now they're going to shuffle around those wingspots
on the end of year Tour Will Jordan at fallback,

(19:18):
of course, or he could come onto the wing maybe
somebody else at fifteen. It just feels like we have
greater certainty and solidity out wide.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Now.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I'm not sure what the future holds for the likes
of sever resent Enrico, you Annie, I guess we'll find out.
But Leroy Carter Lester fighting a nukel Caleb Clark at
a good test up in Auckland. I think they've got
the the inside running for those wing spots. On the
end of year Tour mix night for Damien McKenzie, I
thought oddly inaccurate off the kicking tea missed a couple

(19:50):
of shots a goal, including one from a very handy
position right in front, a few curious decisions with ball
in hand. Is kicking a little erratic, So yeah, I'm
not sure Damien McKenzie will consider it to be one
of his better test matches. And the front rowers to
Mighty Williams and Fletcher y'll berg shifts from both of
those blokes scrum held up well. Had a quick look

(20:11):
at the stats before from set play. The All Blacks
didn't lose a scrum. Fletcher and Yuell led the tackle
count nineteen tackles last night from Fritch Fletcher Nyuell, both
of them playing sixty five minutes before they were withdrawn.
Some good competition in those propping spots. Now, anything that

(20:31):
occurred to you last night? Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty quinter pie see the answer at center. Would
you need a larger body of work? Leroy Carter les
to fay Ingnuku thought Peter Likekey had a good game too,
actually in his first test start before being replaced by
wallaceer Titi. And it's a twenty three man game. You
need impact. You need guys coming off the pine as

(20:55):
they call it and adding their impetus and White Crockett,
I know, is a big fan of that. He mentioned
that to me last week and he said it again.
There impact from the benches crucial these days. So it's
how you mix and match that and get the right
blokes coming on. For the last twenty twenty five minutes
twelve twenty eight used talks d B Mark Harry, Please

(21:17):
hold going to get a breakaway one speed line. If
you want to jump on, talk some all blacks. We're
doing it till till one o'clock eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty back in a moment of.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
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Speaker 3 (21:34):
dB News Talks B twenty nine to one. Nigel on
texts good to see us finish well in the last
ten or fifteen in the last couple of games and
win two on the trot. No one would have picked
Lester faighting A Nuku and Leroy Carter as our starting
wingers at the beginning of the season. Both go looking
for work a green Igel, they do. Harry good, afternoon.

Speaker 8 (21:51):
Shut arpening, good arsening. I think you're all. I think
they're right. I think we have got a sender. We
have got a thirteen and he shouldn't go a long way.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I like him. I liked him there. I've always liked
Quinterpira as a player. I think he's always had a
bit about him. But I've never even considered the fact
that he was a thirteen. I just thought he was
a twelve and a twelve only Harry, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (22:13):
You know, it's like it's not the tries that he's
got his score for us. It's how he got to
the try. You know, he's got a good friend. He
hangs on to the ball well and yeah he's yeah,
just take him, just take and put him in there,
and same as Leroy.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, they were a good yeah, yeah, they were the
two guys last night. And I know you're often focus
on on the back line because they're the ones who
do the flash stuff, but yeah, I thought to Pia terrific.
Leroy Carter just impresses me every time I see him
play another try last night, And I know that's only
part of it, but he just seems to have adapted
to test rugby so quickly. Harry, that that now you say, okay,

(22:52):
well Leroy Carter is going to play. Who's on the
other wing?

Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. We've got We've got them. They're there,
they're there, We've got them.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Love it, Harry, love the optimism. Thanks mate, thanks for
your call. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty as our
numbers speed line to jump Abordello Marc.

Speaker 9 (23:10):
Hey Piney.

Speaker 10 (23:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (23:11):
I thought Jeordie Barrett put his whole body on the line,
including his head. At one stage I thought he had
an extremely physical game. I think he's probably one of
the most complete midfielders I've ever seen play the game,
to be honest, he just turns out week in week out.

Speaker 10 (23:26):
You know.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
I mean, I know Hardy gets a lot of accolades,
and rightly so, but I just think he's just so consistent.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Really, oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 9 (23:36):
And to Pire with him just seemed to add something too.
Pires seems to have that line breaking ability which you know,
to be fed at Procter. I mean, I think Proctor
is a really good super rugby player, but I think
two Pires almost like that, that that level above him.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
You know.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
I think he showed last night, and I think he's
showing at every step this I think he's going to
be a star. As for the Wings, I don't know,
there's just so many now. I feel sorry for Nanawa
who had about what even minutes of game time and
then was injured. He's going to struggle to get back
in the in the starting lineup. I thought Carter is
he's got real good football since he just knows where

(24:16):
to be and what to do at the right time.
He's the seventh player, wasn't he.

Speaker 10 (24:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (24:20):
He was, Yeah, And I think that you can almost
see that he goes looking for the work. He knows
what to do at the right time. And yeah, he's
been a bit of a revelation as well on that
right wing.

Speaker 10 (24:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (24:34):
I also thought Sony Tokiyahu is really coming on well
as an impact player after Cody goes off.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
I think he's been fantastic.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
It was good to see Bao score a last minute
Troy because he got me over the line with aten plus.

Speaker 11 (24:49):
But it was good.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
It's good and also actual. I'm going to play this
a bit later on. We had our Sporting Chants winner
yesterday who also picked the All Blacks thirteen plus as
her bet, and yeah, was eighty first minute George Bauer
crashes over. You know that's his first ever professional try,
George Bauer, not just his try, professional try.

Speaker 9 (25:13):
Yeah, Yeah, he's a good player. It's good to see
the t B losing so many. They certainly owe me
a bit Piney.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I still think him on a nather has got a
role to play. You know, he was unfortunate, as you say,
to pick up that injury and his you know, his
opportunities have been limited largely through injury, but also I
guess guys in front of him. But I'd like to
see more from him on Hena. I think if he
has another big super season, you know him and and

(25:43):
and and Carter and they're also getting to moy Filow,
aren't they the chiefs so going to be even though
what was that?

Speaker 12 (25:51):
Sorry?

Speaker 10 (25:53):
Do you see Simmys getting back into the side.

Speaker 9 (25:55):
Of or now?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
No? No, I just don't see. I just think there's
too many ahead of him in the Q now, Mark,
I don't, I don't see it. Look has been a
great player for us, came into the side what just
ahead of the World Cup in twenty nineteen, I think, yeah,
I just feel like there are too many ahead of

(26:19):
them now.

Speaker 9 (26:20):
It's crazy to think that Mark Shaliah is no longer
in the All Black Reckoning, isn't it. It was such
a star, you know, just only a handful of years ago.
You wouldn't You would have thought he'd been there for
a long time. But and it's amazing how things change
and how players just seem to come through these days.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Absolutely, especially in those wing spots and those those back
three spots. Mark, Thanks for your cool mate. I think
we've spoken about it off and on the show. The
Hot Hand as a winger. You know, you don't have
to be the best winger over a four year World
Cup cycle. If you're the best winger in the twelve
months before a World Cup, then that's where you can

(26:58):
seize your opportunity. And history is full of this. Near
him Ilnes Scudder in twenty fifteen, twenty nineteen, Seva Reese
and George Bridge that hardly played for the All Blacks.
Look Leroy Carter, I think you know, I'm not not
at all suggesting that he is peaking too early. I
think he's got a lot of gas in the tank.
The other thing about Leroy Carter, they often say, you know,

(27:19):
once you turned twenty seven as a winger, that might
be you. But man, he he looks good. I really
like the look of Leroy Carter. I think Caleb Clark
still got plenty of offer as well. Good text here,
Leroy Carter's the michaeleb break of men's rugby. He runs angry.

(27:40):
That's a great phrase. He runs angry, being hi.

Speaker 10 (27:44):
Mate, Hey, piny, how you mean good?

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Being good?

Speaker 10 (27:49):
I'm feeling a bit better after the performance last night
from the Aber. Just when he got me some spicy,
spicy potato wedges and some sour cream and sweet ty
chili and the box. So getting running around, getting all
is all done for the big, the big day to
day I can so I can sit down at three

(28:12):
o'clock and blob out so they for the rest of
the day. Absolutely, last last game, yesterday's game was just
awesome because I think last time we spoke, I was
talking about how the All Blacks are no longer a
second half team and they proved me wrong last night

(28:35):
game into half time, I thought this was this is
a bit close and it's anyone's game. But yeah, no,
just oh man, Lee were acadah. Yeah, what a water player,
what a guy? And uh what you were saying before
he plays, he's he's an angry bugger. He's a vicey
bagger and and it's awesome to see it's getting real

(28:59):
chat that but that hit it, that felcon from Geordie.
It must have made soccer soccer fans proud.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Oh mate. I watched that as a as a yeah,
as a football man, I watched that being yeah.

Speaker 10 (29:16):
And because you're trying to get yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
I thought he knocked it on. I thought he knocked
it on it first, I just do.

Speaker 10 (29:22):
I thought, hang on when when the two po got that,
and I thought that was brilliant, brilliant chipped and perfect chipping,
bounce and everything. But then I thought, hang on, hold
the phone. And then came the slow replay and it's
just smack straight and right on the nose.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
He questioned, Well, hey, well, I get you being Rugby League.
So yeah, Gona, you're gonna blob out from three. So
presumably the Warriors, the Warriors will beat the Billy Bess
what about the big one tonight?

Speaker 11 (29:51):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Have you got Broncos or Storm?

Speaker 10 (29:54):
I've got the Storm, mate, Broncos fan from way back before.
The Worrior is but the Bronco, the Storm, three willed
the willed be players, all informing, all on the paddock.
I don't think Broncos again. Yeah yeah, sorry mate, But

(30:16):
n Delamy is a coach, I mean, the best coach
in the world. Yeah, it's my pick, fair.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Enough, Ben, Look, I got no skin in the game, mate.
I'm not a Broncos or a Storm fan. I'm just
a fan of this Grand Final. I think it'll be
a terrific game. I'm going to get Jack Duke out
of Fox Sports on on the radio after two to
preview it for us. But I look at those two teams.
I'm just you know, Penrith have been there, haven't they
wont the last they've won, the last four they've been
in the last five especially quite nice to not have
them there. Nothing against Penrith, They've been absolutely superb for

(30:46):
five years and again this year they could be there
but for you bounds of a ball here all their
last weekend. But Broncos storm. I just love it. I
love the matchups. Anyway, we can talk more about that
after two o'clock. Thanks for your CORBN. Enjoy the rest
of your afternoon, mate, and those spicy wedges, good on you.
Brenda's is Ponty. I have to agree with the Texter yesterday.
The Aussie j is more orange than yellow or gold.

(31:10):
Go and have a look at some of the older
jerseys to see how yellow they were. Also check out
the supporters they're in yellow, not orange.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
We had this discussion yesterday and it was Craig who
first of all texted and said, look those those Wallabies
jerseys are orange. They're not yellow, they're orange, And I
said I disagreed initially, but then Craig took the opportunity
to send me an email with a Wallabies jersey and
a picture of an orange and I have to say

(31:38):
the colors were very similar. Thanks for your text, Brendan
hundred and eighty ten eighty got a spare line talking
rugby until one after one. We're going to shift across
the netball Marx, says Jason. That was a really good
performance from the Abs, but Damian McKenzie's goalkicking. What happened
on that The Aussies were a little hard done by
with the first yellow card. Even the commentators called it

(31:59):
unfair and losing. Will Skelton early changed their team. Yes,
great to see Quintapire in that position and Lester on
the wing. Those two have definitely put their hands up
for future test matches, says Mark. Yeah, I was interested
to see some of the narrative around the yellow cards.
I mean the the ikataw one. Look, we've seen this
story before many times since World Rugby sort of zoomed

(32:22):
in on head contact and Ikeatau running upright ran into
I can't remember who it was who he ran into,
but head on head I'm glad it was just a
yellow and not upgraded and the croc roll on Jordi Barrett.
I know, I think it was justin marshall long commentary
last night, wasn't it. He said he didn't think it
was a yellow card. I still think it's dangerous, you know,

(32:48):
I still think of what could happen to Jordi Barrett
in that situation if he falls slightly more awkwardly. I
don't think it was a you know, it wasn't a
game changer. I thought it was a yellow card. Seventeen
away from one, News Talks, he'd be eight hundred, ten
and aighty talking all Blacks to one back with more

(33:08):
in a moment.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Don't get caught off side eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports
with Jason Payne and GJ. Gardnerhops New Zealand's most trusted
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Speaker 3 (33:18):
NB News Talks. There'll be fourteen away from one. Just
a reminder that after one we're going to zoom it
on this. Netball Netball New Zealand CEO Jenny Wiley going
to join us after one. Also, New Zealand Netball Plays
Association Executive manager Steph Bond on the show this after
the news yesterday that they haven't been able to reach
a resolution with the Dame Noling Todua ongoing coaching saga.

(33:41):
So we're too from here. Can they tell us anything
about the allegations the concerns? So yeah, Jenny Wiley and
Steph Bond after one back to the lines of a moment.
Pinty overall happy with the performance, says this text and
how the AB's controlled the match to victory. But it
wasn't without concern. Australia will running us ragged in the
first twenty and the amount of meet us their backline

(34:03):
chewed up almost every time should be a concern. And
goal kicking, however, Tapye was brilliant a really strangely substitution
though actually I thought that too. Fifty seven minutes they
took off their best player. I don't know whether he
was carrying a niggle, not sure. Good to have Lester
back as well. The text goes on to say, one
burning question though, what other coaches doing with Ruben Love
if they're not going to give him real minutes in

(34:24):
a position he plays. Yeah, I feel a bit for
Reuben Love because I'm not quite sure what his role
to play is at the moment. Maybe it is just
in that twenty three Jersey. I would like to see
him given a go at first five at some point,
but I just don't know when you do that. Maybe
you do it at the back end of the season
against Wales and the very last Test. I don't know.

(34:47):
I'm not sure what the situation is around Bowden Barrett's
injury and whether he'll be available for the Northern tour Ireland, Scotland,
England Wales. Maybe I don't know. Maybe Ruben Love gets
to start again against Wales and Cardiff. I guess we
have to wait and see. Hey, Phil, what stood out
last night?

Speaker 11 (35:01):
Mate?

Speaker 7 (35:03):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (35:03):
What was that?

Speaker 13 (35:04):
Sorry pointing?

Speaker 14 (35:04):
You just caught me a boof guardy.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
I just wondered what stood out for you last night?

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (35:10):
Well, I'm in a bit of a lost pointy. I
was gonna have to ask you a bit about too
many beers last night, and I was struggling to remember
the game.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Well, good June didn't field to catch up on things.

Speaker 14 (35:22):
Yeah, yeah, which is a real bugger because I didn't
go that. I was watched the cricket and then I
was looking forward to watching the game, but so unfortunately
my memories but adi, But I did want to say
that I do like tire Year as a how do
you say his name? Quinn too, Pia, Yeah, Quentin too pie.

(35:44):
I do like him and I think, like you say,
he could be the way to go forward in that
center position. Like I was impressed that the week before,
you know, when he come on and played on the wing.
I thought, Jesus, guy's got something about him, all right.
So and I'm liking, Yeah, I really liked to look

(36:04):
at him and either like if you know, they can
they know they can throw him on the wing if
he needs to go there, but yeah, it maybe stick
with him the center and give him see how he goes,
because yeah, he's got he's got something about him. And
I'm liking the I'm liking the look of the team,
you know, with the Clark and the wing Carter. I

(36:26):
think Carter is going to be where you could say
I was going to say he's going to be brilliant,
but you could say he's brilliant at the moment, Like
his defense not only on his attack, but his defense
is good as well. So I'm liking that, you know,
and we got we got, oh got hopeless with names
at times. We've got.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
I'm gonna I'm gonna have a guess.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I'm gonna have a guest and say you're thinking of
Lister fighting on the other wing, are you?

Speaker 5 (36:56):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (36:56):
Yes, yes, yes he was good, too impressive. But I'm
going to have to watch the replay. I think, well, Jordan,
that's what I was trying to think. You know, we
got Will Jordan here as well, and so yeah, I
like the direction we're going and I wish I could

(37:17):
have more analysis to remember by it, you know, contribute
a bit more. But I did want to mention to
year no good.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
On your film. Hey, look mate, what do you have
a look at a replaymate and we can we can
chat again. We can chat again. I think you'll enjoy it.
I have a lookout for Toupire, have a lookout for
fighting Anoko. And I thought, yeah, Will Jordan was good again.
I didn't get a try today in his fiftieth There's
been a couple of tests without a try for Will Jordan.
It's been odd for him, isn't it? A couple of
texts before we go to a break, Jason, have Otago

(37:48):
ever won the NPC? Asks Peter. Yes, indeed they have
not for a while, though Peter, last time Otago won
the NPC was nineteen ninety eight. That was an absolutely
magnificent Otago side at the back end of the nineties. Man,
I remember seeing a graphic on it was either on
Facebook or somewhere of that Otago site and they were
absolutely stacked, absolutely stacked. I should say I can dig

(38:12):
it up. Actually it was basically an all black side
back into the nineties. They also Otago won in nineteen
ninety one, so it's been a long time since we
went to the finals format. They haven't been anywhere near it.
But the way O Tiger were playing, they've got the shield.
Would you really bet against them going deep into the

(38:34):
playoffs as well? Has Scott Barrett's thoughts after the game
last night.

Speaker 15 (38:38):
Yeah, I think it's pleasing to finish the Ruga Championship
with a win like that. Wasn't pretty, but yet you'll
be hung off tonight in greasy conditions adapted. I think
throughout the Rugby Championship we've learned that we need a
front up every week when you put the all black
jersey on, and you know, a couple of times we
clearly didn't do that, and you know, those are tough lessons.

(39:01):
This group's got a few scars from that, and you know,
we want to have a bit of a refresh before
we hit up North, and I guess chased the Grand Slam,
so yeah, without looking too far ahead. And Jordan's fiftieth tonight,
and George Bowscreen's first professional try, so.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (39:23):
So you always celebrate a couple of little things tonight
and look forward to getting back home.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
So that came as news to Scott robertson there. Obviously
he didn't know that George Barrett never scored a professional try.
I'm sure if I'm George Bauer, I'm telling everybody. I
am telling absolutely everybody. Eight to one News Talks MB.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
on eight Weekend Sports with Jason Pine, News Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
MB coming up five to one, the Otago sodon in
ninety eight, Case Mews, Tayne Randall, Joe McDonell, Carl Hoft,
Josh Cronfield, Anton, Oliver Simon, mailing Byron kellerha John Leslie,
Jeff Wilson, Brendan Laney, Tony Brown and others. It was

(40:08):
some team. It was some team. Aiden says, I can
see a starting fifteen and twenty three emerging from this
four D strategy. I'd like to see that's the four
deep over four years to win a fourth World Cup.
Good stuff, Aiden, I'd like to see he carries on
stability with this core team moving forward to build the
cohesion and trust needed for the run of big matches

(40:30):
at the trophy end of the World Cup. Let New
Zealand's or the New Zealand fifteen be the development program
for players outside the core group. Thanks Aden, you I
think you know I as think. As I said yesterday,
Scott Robertson's done a pretty good job of giving blocks
a go. Fifty five players he's used in his two
years as head coach Ordan one and two thirds years,

(40:53):
shall we say fifty five guys have been given a go?
And I think that's what all happened. If you're going
to give guys go ago, you do it in the
first couple of years of World Cup cycle. Then you
do crystallize it down you start using your core group.
Thanks for your text, Aiden, Thanks for all your cause
and correspondent on the Rugby after one Netball Netble New
Zealand CEO Jenny Wiley is with us and also Steph

(41:13):
Bond Netball players Association Executive manager.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
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Speaker 2 (41:32):
At Been.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
News Talks had been on Weekend Sport one oh seven.
Thanks for joining us on Jason Pine Bevan Dua is
show producer. We're hair till three. No resolution has been
reached in the standoff between Netball New Zealand's and Silver
Ferns coach Dame Noline Todoua. The national governing body released
a statement yesterday confirming Avet McCausland jury will continue as

(41:56):
interim coach for the upcoming Constellation Cup series and for
the Northern Tour that follows. Netball New Zealand CEO is
Jenny Y who joins us now, Jenny, what can you
tell us about the mediation process you've carried out over
the last week or so and an inability to find
a solution here.

Speaker 16 (42:18):
Yeah, Well, what we're providing today is an update of
where we're at. As you know, our players are assembling
for camp as they led into conc Up a Northern
tour and as a result we are confirming interim coach
appointments in there, and that is because despite everyone's best

(42:38):
efforts to reach resolution in terms of the concerns and
the Silver Fans High Performance environment, we've been unable to
do that.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
What are those concerns?

Speaker 16 (42:51):
Oh, look, I think they are part of a confidential
employment matter and what we're doing is respecting everyone in
that process. But as we've said, we have concerns around
the Civil Firans high performance environment and working through those.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Are they directly related to Dame Nolen? Only?

Speaker 16 (43:13):
As you all know, we have to respect the privacy
of everyone involved and the confidentiality and that includes that
of Dame Nolene, of the players and everyone in that environment,
and we hold that paramount in this process.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Genny, how many players are involved here?

Speaker 16 (43:30):
I think you know again that is confidential. You've got
to respect the cohort in that environment. We've got to
respect that Dame Nolen and her team and that's incredibly
important to us in our integrity in this Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, I get all that. I get all that, we
all get all that. But do you accept that this
lack of transparency is damaging to Netborn, New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (43:56):
What we do know is there is intense interest in
this and any organization like Netble New Zealand lives in
a fish bowl. But at the moment, our response ssability
is to Dame Nolen and it is to the players,
and we maintain you know that is the so priority.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Would it not, though, be perhaps a better option for
you to at least give us some idea of what
the issues are.

Speaker 16 (44:21):
Well, we have given an indication that we are looking
to resolve matters within the Silver Ferns high performance environment,
but we're also being able to respect the confidentiality and
the privacy of all involved in the process.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Can you tell us anything? Can you tell us what
the sticking points are why you haven't been able to
reach a resolution.

Speaker 16 (44:45):
I think the key thing here is we're working through
a really difficult and challenging process. None of us want
to be here, none of us want to be addressing
these at this time, and everyone is looking for certainty
at the moment we are. We're acutely aware that resolving
these issues is absolutely paramount for us all but for

(45:10):
confidentiality reasons, we can't be more open about these issues.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Is mediation going to continue?

Speaker 16 (45:17):
We are working through a confidential employment process, and we're
working really, really hard with Dame Nolean in her team,
and we continue to look at ways and avenues that
we can resolve these issues.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
So, in other words, then you may reach a point
or you may already have reached a point where you
don't think mediation will get you any further down the track, Genny,
is Dame Nolen a chance to return his head coach
or not?

Speaker 16 (45:42):
We're working, yesly to continue to discuss and resolve these issues,
but at this time the most important thing for us is.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
To be able to give.

Speaker 16 (45:52):
Clarity and transparency to our athletes and management so that
they can prepare to the best of their ability for
the upcoming test series.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Do you think Dame Nolean has clarity and transparency here?

Speaker 16 (46:06):
We are in is a really confidential process where we
need to be able to respect all parties and ensure
that we maintain the integrity in the manner of everybody involved,
and for that reason it does remain confidential.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Would you like Dame Nolan to return as head coach?

Speaker 16 (46:25):
Well, I think it's really important that we reach a
conclusion of these negotiations as quickly as possible, and that
has not been for wanted trying by all parties.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
All right, Well, so now you've got Evett McCausland jury
coming in to continue in an interim roll for the
rest of the year. It just seems as though the
longer this goes, the less likely a resolution is. Can
you see a resolution in our future here?

Speaker 16 (46:51):
I think what we need to be able to do
is work through these issues in the right forum with
the right people and ensure that we reach a conclusion
that is fit for purpose for our environment.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
So what is your message than, Jenny to silver Ferns
fans who are growing increasingly more frustrated and disillusion with
the whole thing.

Speaker 16 (47:16):
Well, I know that it has been a really unsettling
and difficult period. I appreciate that the ability to be
fully transparent has not been there, but that is for
good reason. We are protecting all parties in this matter,
and I know that means we can't be more open

(47:37):
about what is going on, but there is good reason
for that, and at no time will we move beyond
the right and proper process that we have got external
support and advice on, and for that reason we will
maintain the privacy and confidentiality of everyone involved.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Okay, thanks Jenny Wiley, Netble, New Zealand CEO. Let's bring
in New Zealand Nepbule Players Association Executive manner just Steph
Bond to get a Pliers Association view on this. Steph,
thanks for your time. Are you surprised first of all
that no resolution has been reached here between Netble, New

(48:22):
Zealand And and Dan Nolen.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
Look, we know that there's been a lot of conversations
that have happened over the last couple of months, so
the fact that they haven't reached a resolution is surprising
to us. But I think like our immediate reaction is
it's just really incredibly sad and difficult for everyone concerned
at the moment. And I know the impact of this
process has really been significant for the entire network community.

(48:46):
So everyone wants it to end. Everyone wants a decision
to be made. So I think that's where everyone is
at at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
What is the Pliers Association's role in the situation?

Speaker 7 (48:58):
Yeah, the Power Association hasn't been involved in the current
between Edwin new Ellen and Dame Norley Tarr an employment
process and so it is between the employer and the employee.
Our role across the last couple of months, and our
role in general is to receive feedback from the players
and present players players views to meet Bonzellen and that

(49:21):
has been what has happened for the period of time
that we have been part of this.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
How much has this divided the playing group?

Speaker 7 (49:31):
Yeah, that's an interesting question and I think everyone publicly
has seen that there has been some divide between the group.
But all players, like in UNI sporting and teams, will
have different opinions and different experiences, and their perspective can
often be different, and I think we just need to
recognize that and know that everyone in that environment has

(49:53):
has a different experience of where it's come from.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
How do you, as a player's association navigate the fact
that you've got players on both sides of this issue.

Speaker 7 (50:05):
Yeah, look, we we have to represent all players in that,
so we will be representing all players views to Netble
New Zealand around this process. So I think that's a
really important role that we're here to be the player's
most intimactual that the players are heard throughout this process.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
So even though that is your role to play, you
are the player's voice. You don't have a specific role
in the mediation. You don't present the players views during
the mediation.

Speaker 7 (50:32):
The mediation though, that's up to New Zealand and Dame
Nolan Tado And it's an employment process and we're not
part of that process and it's not for us to
determine who the coach is here. Our role is to
put feedback forward from the players and it's an employment
context and it's the employer to determine that.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
All right, I'm just trying to get my head run
the processes, Steff. So you give feedback on behalf of
the players to Netborn New Zealand and they in turn
use that as part of the mediation process.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (51:01):
Yeah, Like we've provided fearback initially fronts as part of
that process, and the players have also been with facilitator
meetings between the players and when we yell and around
the process. So that's how it's played out.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
How many players are involved here, Yeah, we can't.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
Really comment on the specifics of the process, but there
is no doubt that we would have hoped initially that
more players were involved in the process and that more
players were spoken to it.

Speaker 11 (51:32):
But that is net New.

Speaker 7 (51:33):
Zealand's process to run, and that was not how it
was played out.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
So just expand on that for us. Then they're just
taking just a small portion of player views into their
thinking here.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
No sorry. Initially, as part of the initial arm review,
our position was that they should have taken the view
of every player and that's how the reviews should have
played out. Now every player has had the opportunity to
have their opinion and view taken forward by Netwin Zone.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Have some has changed their view?

Speaker 7 (52:10):
No, Look, I think players obviously at different points and times,
have different experiences and their views may differ at different times.
And I think we've seen with the public process and
everything that's played out that at times people have had
different views in different ways of looking at things.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
What is your preferred outcome here, steph.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
Oh, We don't have a preferred outcomes. That's up to
when Ellen and Dame Nolean. We're not here to determine
an outcome from this process. And we really here as
for our members to be really operating in a really
hard working, professional, healthy environment which really allows them to thrive.
And I think that's probably really important here in terms

(52:55):
of making sure that that's what we have. So it
is definitely not our role to determine what the outcome is.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
So you don't have a view on whether you think
Dame Nolen should or will come back as head coach.

Speaker 7 (53:08):
No, we don't have a view, all.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Right, Steph, thank you very much for joining us. Steph
Bond their New Zealand Netball Players Association executive manager before
that Netball New Zealand CEO. Jenny Wiey, your thoughts welcome
on this, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. But
doing the show for a while and I don't think
I've seen as many texts come in on an issue

(53:31):
or on an interview as I have today. I think
it's fairly obvious that Dame Nolen toadoo I won't be
coming back to coach the Silver Firts. I hate to
break this to you. I'm sure you've worked it out yourself.
If they haven't been able to work through these issues
despite days of mediation, they are not going to be
able to They've reached them in pass. There are clearly

(53:55):
certain points over which the two parties Nepble New Zealands
and Dave Nolean simply cannot reach agreement or even reach compromise.
Jenny Wiley wouldn't even con firm then that mediation will continue.
If it doesn't, then what what next? Now? Dame Nolen

(54:17):
Toto released a statement to One News yesterday. She said,
I'm going to read this. I cared deeply about the
Silver Ferns and want to be back coaching the team.
I have seen the media's statement issued by Netball New
Zealand setting out their views. My views are different end quote,
and Dave Nolin Toto said she wouldn't be commenting anymore

(54:37):
at this time. Now that interested me. My views are
different from the Netball New Zealand statement, she says. Now.
Netborn New Zealand statement says, despite considerable and genuine effort
from Netburn New Zealand and Dame Nolen Toto, a resolution
regarding the Silver Fern's high performance program and environment has
not yet been reached. Well that's a fact. That's not
a view, it's the next. But over the past few weeks,

(54:59):
Netball New Zealand has pursued every pathway with Dame Nolen
to bring her back into the Silver Ferns enviroral. At
this time, NETBA New Zealand is disappointed that this has
not been possible. Dame Nolene says her views are different,
so presumably she believes that they haven't pursued every pathway.

(55:22):
Whatever you believe, whoever you believe, whoever you think is
at fault, whatever you think of the process. This is
a tremendously unfortunate and quite frankly, extremely sad series of
events enveloping one of our biggest sports a division in

(55:45):
the Silver Ferns, over the way they're coached and the
way they're coached by our greatest ever coach. I just
feel now a sense of great sadness for those involved
in the sport. As I say, it seems highly unlikely
now to me that Dave Nolene told her will ever

(56:09):
coach the Silver Ferns again. She clearly wants to. I
think the weight of public opinion is on her side,
but I can't see, given the events of the last
few days and what we heard from Jenny Wiley and
what I've read in this statement, that there is a
way back. Sometimes agreement can't be reached in employment matters,

(56:35):
in relationship matters. Sometimes things can't be worked through.

Speaker 17 (56:47):
Hey, Sam, Yeah, Hi, I think overall feeling here is
just confusion. The messaging coming from the next CEO and
then Grace Wiki coming out after the last game to
talk about how the players giving their support behind Nolin.
It's just news can't help but being confused to the

(57:07):
whole situation, to be honest, Yeah, and I.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Think that's I guess why we would like some form
of transparency. We had a legal opinion on the show yesterday, Sam,
he might not have heard it, saying, hey, it would
be helpful at least for us to know what the
issues are. But Jenny Wiley just seemed either unwilling or
unable to tell us what they were.

Speaker 18 (57:28):
Yeah, and just that, Yeah, some transparency would because surely
we can get some sort of hunters to what the
sticking point is without actually specifically naming names or anything
like that.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I would have thought so, Sam, I would have thought so, mate.
You know, and it talks about the high performance environment,
and Dame Nolen's just one member of that high performance environment.
Clearly it's about her. Otherwise, you know, there be others
involved in this, but at least say that. And I
asked Jenny Wiley the direct question, is this just around
Dan Nolean? And even then there was no answer. Thank Sam,
Drive safe mate, Hello Jason.

Speaker 19 (58:03):
Yeah, thanks on palf of us all of going through
that rather few to exercise with Genny Wiley trying to
extract answers to questions we've all got. I felt sorry
for her. I was absolutely irate hearing her she read
that from a notebook in front of her or from
a lawyer's script. She did more damage from the Zeller
Netball coming on with you for that ten minutes. Then

(58:24):
had she not come on talk because she told us
absolutely only what we've written in the newspaper. I'm bringing question,
Piet I've got is Nole in time has been you
know done, Nolan's been stood down? If it's an equal
fear transparent process. She keep going on about, is any
of the high performance players in the netball squad stood down?

Speaker 3 (58:46):
No, no, they haven't been. But I get. But the
way these things work, though, Jay says, I'm sure you know,
is that if there's a complaint against somebody, then that
person can be stood down. It's an employment matter, right,
It's an employment matter. And often this happens in the
corporate world. There are concerns raised, complaints made about somebody

(59:07):
in a position of authority, a manager and in this
case of coach, and while that investigation is seen through.
It is the person who the concerns are raised about
who has stood down, not those who raise the concerns.
But I appreciate your call and perhaps your confusion as well.
One twenty five lines are open. They're filling up quite

(59:28):
We'll try and get through as many as we can.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more
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Speaker 20 (59:45):
Hello, Wayne, Hey, Piney, first time caller, Love the show, buddy, mate,
just on this netboard thing. I'm just so so disappointed
and confused like the other callers, and this I think
your name with Jenny Wiley, I don't know where where
his head at, buddy, but we need to do something

(01:00:06):
about it. And I'm I'm not a nep for I
don't watch Nipple much, but I love watching our silver
phns and I stand up for Grace and who's saying
what what she did say at their last game?

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
And and good on her.

Speaker 20 (01:00:20):
Appointed because she's a senior player, player, world respected and
I just don't understand pointed like Dame noleeds our best
crease that we've ever had and we'll we'll ever have
And I just I just want to as a as
a as a human being, I just want an answer.
I just want to know what's going on, Like she's
not going to be there for the Aussie and I

(01:00:42):
don't know if she's going to come back. But very disappointed, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
No, good on you, mate, thanks for calling and I
appreciate you you picking up the phone and giving us
a yell.

Speaker 12 (01:00:51):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
There's been a suggestion on texting it, and look, I
take this. I take this opinion that you know it
is a private matter. It is confident, as Jenny Whiley
said a number of times, but she also admitted that
this is a high performing New Zealand sports team that
we all as sports fans feel ownership over, and we

(01:01:16):
are going to want to know what's going on with
the team that we have followed and supported and cheered
for and loved watching for so long. And when we
feel as though there's something not quite right, we are
entitled to an opinion on it. We're a title to
look at a situation where the coach has been stood

(01:01:39):
down because of concerns over the way she coaches or
the way she operates in a high performance environment. We
are allowed to have an opinion about that.

Speaker 13 (01:01:47):
We are.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Look.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I try my best to get something out of Jenny Wiley.
There was not a lot to be had there, I
must admit. But if we are putting two and two
together here, I think the sum we're getting is that
she ain't coming back. That's how it feels to me.
I don't know you might have a different Wayne. Thanks
for your call, mate, John High.

Speaker 21 (01:02:09):
Finally, they're getting taxpayers money, so the Minister of Sports
to be brought in and there should be a review
or when the pricess is off it should be out
to the public din and released.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
There is that part of it, John, You're right. They
are funded through partly anyway, through high Performance Sport New
Zealand and through our taxpayer dollars. So yes, we do
have so I guess you know there is there is
perhaps that layer to it as well.

Speaker 21 (01:02:39):
Yep, there has to be a hireling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Okay, well, thanks John, I appreciate it. Oh one hundred
and eighty ten grant high.

Speaker 22 (01:02:48):
Yeah, pioneer when this first blew up and okay, it
happened apparently at the January training camp way back in January,
and it was about two weeks before the South African
series that they finally decided to take some action. And
Dane knowline that was the first she heard about it.

(01:03:09):
Matt Whinner, the chairman, was doing all the talking about
it at the start, and he was asked, well, we're
CEO Jenny Wiley, and he said, and I quote on
TV she is on stressly then she eventually fronts up
and says, no, I was on a pre planned holiday. Now,
both of those things can't be true, so they can't

(01:03:29):
even get their stories straight. But a previous ORTISA might
have been mentioning about public funding and things are different
as regards what they can say what they can't say
it with a publicly funded sports organization compared to a
private organization. I mean, you look at sort of league

(01:03:52):
in Australia, soccer in the UK. There's always information coming
out of those problems with the manager. You know, they
tell the public what the general problem is. So I
just think they're going about it completely the wrong way,
and I have to say this is the worst handle

(01:04:14):
administration of whatever's happened. They've handled the worst of any
sports organization. There have been some problems in swimming and rowing,
but it's the worst I can remember.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Grant. Thank you for your call. I do have to
give Jenny Whitey credit for coming on the show. She
didn't have to, she didn't have to come on, so
I do give her credit for that. They're the whole,
the whole. Her being away when this decision to stand
day knolling down happened was a bit odd, and like you, Grant,

(01:04:48):
I couldn't really get my head around whether it was
whether she was on planned leave, whether she was away
watching an underage netball team play overseas. My personal view
is that as CEO of an organization, if you make
a call to stand down one of your top employees,
and let's bring this into a sporting sense, if you're

(01:05:09):
a CEO of Netborne, New Zealand and you stand down
your head coach, you need to be there. You need
to put that leave off for a couple of days.
You need to be there. Makes sense, Mark Eye.

Speaker 11 (01:05:20):
Two words finy reputational risk.

Speaker 12 (01:05:24):
Jenny Wiley has now cast a cloud over netball New Zealand.
They are not transparent. She has not come out and said, given,
as you rightfully pointed out, no justificational reasoning, even in
a very broad sense where you'd say, look outside of
the game environment, we're having challenges. Right then you'd know, okay,

(01:05:48):
off field, right, okay, what's going on? Is it to
do with sponsors and relationships? Is it to do with
internal relationships with Jenny Wiley herself considering the stress leave
claim that she had to go off after doing this
to Dame Knowles? Is she too personally and wrapped up
and using for one of a better word, corporate justifications

(01:06:13):
in a sport that is still the biggest woman's participation
sport in New Zealand by far, the biggest women's organization
in New Zealand by far, and we're not seeing an
approach that is respectful of the audience, the community around
the game, and also the reputation of the Silver Ferns.

(01:06:37):
Because right now, so if I was flip this over
to rugby union, right and our other premiere sports, so
flip it over and put the exact same scenario in.
Do you think the sponsors would be on the phone
to the NZRUS what is going on. You had better
tell us what is happening inside this organization right now,

(01:06:57):
or we are pulling our money because you are exposing
us to making us look like fools. And I would
say that to any of the sponsors of of Netball
New Zealand, use your leverage, get in there and find
out what earth is going on, because we're not being told.
We're being obsifocation, obsivacated, it's the word I'm looking for

(01:07:20):
where they're just flapping around the outside of it without
dealing with the meat of the matter. But sometimes, and
I'll be very delicate out of this, sometimes within women's
organizations there are issues between women cement real lady stuff
that RUS guys don't understand. We have a fight and
be done with it. But there can be things like that,

(01:07:43):
so we don't know, so we're speculating, and that's not
great because we'll all speculate potentially the worst thing, or
we'll be way off target. But again, it's a mess
that are coming on your show has only made it worse.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Mirk, thank you for your cale and you're well articulated
thoughts and a silence. You're right. We we fill it
with things that we suspect could be true but maybe
not true. John High good a piney.

Speaker 11 (01:08:17):
How are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
John?

Speaker 23 (01:08:19):
People are really mad about this thing that looked like
the skates may be under Dame Dame Noldine. She she
would be under contract, of course, and she will be
paid out. I hope, like hell they don't try and
blackmail her and say, you before we pay you, you've

(01:08:40):
got to sign this confidentially agreement, confidential confidential agreement that
you won't talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah, that's not John, Yeah, that's yeah, that's not blackmail.
That's that is that that's common as a non disclosure agreement.
That's not blackmail. But I get the feeling, mate, that
that is exactly what will happen, that that shall be
paid out for a contract which runs through to the
end of next year, as I understand it, and will
be will be paid out on the under the requirement
that she does not speak publicly about what has gone on.

(01:09:08):
That's very common in the corporate world. I get the
feeling that's exactly what will happen here, if in fact
this is the end of the line for her.

Speaker 23 (01:09:16):
Yeah, Okay, Thank you Piney.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Good on your John. Thanks for your call, mate, appreciate it.
I think we'll leave it there. Let's get onto some
brighter matters. I think we should get onto some brighter matters.
Thank you for all your calls and correspondence. I have
never seen the news talks there'd be text machine blow
up like it has. Even when we give away tickets,
we don't get this many texts. Thank you so much

(01:09:39):
for all of your texts. I often say we can't
read them all out, but we can, but we do
read them. I haven't had any. We're close to the
opportunity to read them all, literally hundreds of texts coming in.
Thank you so much for putting your thoughts into your
phone and firing it off to us. I will read
them all. More to come on this, I'm sure. What
we do know is this that if at McCausland jury

(01:10:02):
will take control in an interim capacity of the Silk
Ferns for the upcoming Constellation Cup Series four test matches,
two away and two at home against Australia, we have
the Constellation Cup. Look, none of this has made me
support the silver Ferns any less. When that Constellation Cup

(01:10:25):
Series begins. I'm going to be cheering as loudly for
that team as I always have, but this can't help
but be disruptive. Step Bond said, there is a division
in the playing group, of course there is. You can
tell we can all put ourselves in a situation like this,
where again, let's correlate it to a work situation. Not

(01:10:48):
everybody in your workplace will love your boss. Some will,
some won't. And if concerns arise on one side against
that manager, and there's others on the other side who
think that manager is doing nothing wrong, then there will
be division. We're all human, and much as these are

(01:11:10):
high performing elite athletes whose job it is to win
netball games, they can't help but be affected by all
of this event. McCausland jury, thankfully is a very level
headed human being from what I can see and the
dealings I've had with her, and she'll need every bit
of that diplomacy to pull this team together, because I

(01:11:31):
think in the South African series, the Tiny Jamison series,
there was probably a view that, hey, Dame Knowles is
coming back. Grace Weeky got up after the third Test
as he had come on to Dame Knowles. We want
you back. They thought, I'm sure that this would be resolved.
Hasn't been so now EVT mccauseland jury is going to
need a bit of diplomacy as well as netball coaching

(01:11:53):
skill to navigate this team through the choppy waters ahead
nineteen to two. Let's take a break come back with
James mconey here on Newstalk SEB No One.

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James mcconey's here off the back of our netball chat.
Thank goodness you're here, James. Good afternoon, Good afternoon.

Speaker 11 (01:12:24):
Yes, I'm taking you back to rugby. I hope you
don't mind, Poney, but I sort of. I was entranced
by that game last night. I felt that there was
a lot of even jobs on the line last night.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
I just thought that your Chiefs players and that team
were absolutely magnificent. To a man, Quintu Pie, did you
know he was a center?

Speaker 11 (01:12:44):
I did, actually, But thank you, Pony, because I'm actually
the Chiefs hate hotline unofficially from a lot of my friends.
You don't usually use it, but I do feel several
calls often if a Chiefs player isn't up to scratch,
and I know that it can get a bit weird
when fifteen of them are selected in one year for
the All Blacks. But yes, Quinti Pier last night, well, yes,

(01:13:07):
he did play center for Hamilton Boys back in the day,
and he was a center for Wait Cuttle in the
early days. But when he graduated to the Chiefs, of
course he was Antonine at Brown in the number thirteen
Jersey and Alex Dankeervell, who was a career center if
you like.

Speaker 24 (01:13:21):
So.

Speaker 11 (01:13:21):
So Quentin's slotted in at twelve and he's very good
second five. But as you can see, he can play
both and it helps when your arms are as strong
as your legs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Yeah, that's true, and I just love the way he
is so direct. A couple of tries, one with a
lovely cushioned header from Jordi Barrett that reminded me of
Gizurmo Mai from the Auckland f C side. We can
get to that later, but actually, can I also ask
you about Lee Roy carter Man talk about a duck
to water when it comes to test rugby.

Speaker 11 (01:13:52):
For that bloke, Yeah, I know, it's just that he's
mister energy that energize the bunny right now. And of
course if you do have a young let's say, half
back like he was, and he was a half back
for the Gazella under twenties, which isn't that long ago,
and they're super quick and they're very combative and hey,
they might just make a great winger. And that's what

(01:14:13):
he is. They call him Bomfa. This are those front
one tackles he makes. Yep, he's so impressive and it's
against guys who are stepping them and he reads it
and smashes them front on. Something to behold. So I
think there are Leroy carters buzzing around New Zealand rugby.
I played with one of a guy called Matt Sevil
who ended up playing the King Country. Here was a

(01:14:35):
half back turned winger. And you know there's a lot
of those guys there who just lend themselves to that.
And the only quite often you'll only find out that
quick at the school athletics day, you know where they
scamper away and you go, wait a second, this guy's
got wheels, and I'm sure Lero was the same at
Total the Boys.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
I'm sure he was. Yeah, that's why first fifteen rugby
coaches are always very interested bystanders at the school athletics day,
just to see who's got the wheels, just to see
who's quick.

Speaker 11 (01:15:04):
Well, one thing as well about he was marking up
against Joseph Suerliti and the amount of hype around him
is crazy. So let's be honest. Everyone's running with a
Quinn can handle it. Well, not only handle it, but
he out, you know, overshadowed Joseph and you know, just
everything he did. He didn't get the credit, I don't
think for that try where he hacked the ball ahead

(01:15:26):
and stayed ahead of all the runners and actually that
try was came from a line out win against the
throw from Fabian Holland. He's been another rookie who was incredible.
I thought last week at Eden Park he won fourteen
of the all blacks fifteen lineouts and he just keeps
on in terms of unearthing, you know, potential greats. I

(01:15:47):
think Razer's done a really good job there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Just before we move on from the rugby, and if
we could move away from the chief just ever so
slightly to the Crusaders, to Mighty Williams and Fletcher Nuwell
the starting props last night. Cody Taylor was there as well,
so let's not forget him and all Crusaders front row,
but Williams and Nuwell. I like these guys as well,
do you, Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:16:07):
I love I mean I thought that having the Crusader's
front row made a big difference with the cohesion at
scrum time. But also there was a massive moment when
will Skelton picked on Camroyguard in the first minute of
the game and seat of ragged old him and pushed
him around, and you could see Tomighty Williams was not
happy and he wanted to join the ref and having
a chat with Skelton.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Did you see him.

Speaker 11 (01:16:27):
Wondering the risk this is your business and to mining going,
I think you'll find it is my business. That's my
half back. And then Will Skelton left in the thirteenth minute,
and so I went back on the tape and tried
to find if it was to Mikey who did something
to him, but it wasn't. He didn't get down Gundo

(01:16:48):
in a great tackle though that cut him in half.
But no he It looked like Will Skelton was stretching
for a pass from Harry Potter, and as a fellow
big man, I can report that a pass that you
have to stretch for is not a great idea. But
when the game did speed up, I did notice that
Skelton was struggling. So that seems like the future for
the All Blacks. And then that's why, just before we

(01:17:10):
leave that game, I thought Peter Larkey was really really good.
Part Garnet and part tong. Then interesting, that's the first
time we've ever had that Piney. I mean we you
and I know I love our Garnet and footballers, but
first Garnet and rugby player I've truly fallen in love with.
And he made a big difference and I think he

(01:17:33):
was He showed that in that Test against France last year.
Just carrying on that form.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
So a month off now for the All Blacks. Then
on consecutive Sundays, Ireland in Chicago, Scotland at Edinburgh, England
at Twickenham and Wales at Cardiff. That is the remainder
of the All Blacks. Twenty twenty five. Can we go
to the NRL Grand Final? Who do you want to
win this game tonight, the Melbourne Storm or the Brisbane Broncos,
not who you think will win. Who do you want
to win?

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:18:02):
The Broncos one hundred. I'd rather the Broncos were the
Melbourne Storm the Empire. They are innovators. I mean they
are the first club to get properly done for salary
cat breach. They are also a lot of the tackles
that have been outlawed in recent history initiated and started
at the Storm in camp there. And I've even had

(01:18:23):
former Storm players confirm that they're always looking to define
ways to sort of rig the system, if you like,
And then a new law will come out from the
NRL and it's generally a Storm and you have to
admire their innovation. And actually Wayne Smith is one of them,
one of Craig Dullamy's mentors.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Can you believe he's.

Speaker 11 (01:18:41):
On the books at the Melbourne Storm. So sir Wayne
Smith Smith is helping them. So they've got the best
brains in both codes if you like. But really the
phil Broncos, the way they've sort of built again, I
do really like Reese Walsh as a player. I know
that does weird stuff off the field and drinks toilet water.

(01:19:02):
But I mean, you can forgive someone for drinking toilet
water water once or twice, can't you, Pony.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
I thought you were going to say, which of us
hasn't done that?

Speaker 8 (01:19:15):
Oh man?

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Well, yeah, like he's clearly an odd individual. He's an
extremely good looking man and a very good rugby league play.

Speaker 11 (01:19:23):
Well, that's the thing. And also what I noticed is
you know how regularly can get robotic with those moves
where they get into a good shape as they call it,
and it's either a front door or a back door pass,
you know, the short ball for the second rower, or
the out ball, the wide ball, the back door pass
to the to the fullback. Well, Reese Walsh, the changes
all that he shows up in the position where a

(01:19:45):
half normally would and then suddenly decides to go for
it and throw a nick Will pass out wide. I
actually like the fact that he is really off the cuff.
And I don't know if you interviewed him when he
was with the Warriors, Poney, but he's kind of got
a very gentle personality. It doesn't seem like a contact
called guy at all. But yeah, I just like watching.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Him play, so do I and another guy I've enjoyed
watching play for the Warriors for a long time as
Bunty are for and he gets one more crack this afternoon,
not in the first grade side, but in the reserve
team and the state championship as they take on the
brilliantly named Burley Bears this afternoon. I hope Bunty can
come off the back fence a few more times and
leave on a high.

Speaker 11 (01:20:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. What an incredible servant and he's
the glue guy in the squad as well. They'll miss Bunty,
especially off the field. I think in recent years he's
just been that guy who just keeps the everone spirits
up and will turn up at anybody's house. For I
think it was when Aaron Clark showed up at the Warriors,
Bunty was the first guy around in his place. So yeah,

(01:20:48):
lovely man, and hey, look shout out to Michael maguire
as well, the Broncos coach. Who's you know, he's been
sacked from plenty of places and I know he won
a title with souts, but it just shows that that
sacked coaches can win Piney with Haddon, with Hanson and
Henry who got ditched by Wales. You know, Tylo Ancelotti
got sacked by everyone and succeeded at Real Madrid, so

(01:21:11):
why not manage as they call them. Michael McGuire for
the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Great stuff, James, always good chatting mate. Thanks for taking
the time as always, Enjoy the rest of your Sunday
and we'll catch up again next weekend. James mccarony Crago's
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Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fields weekends
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Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
SO seven. Welcome into the show, Welcome back to the show.
It's good to have you with us on Weekend Sport.
I'm Jason pine Bevan show Producer. We're here for another
hour than Tim Beverage is in for the Weekend Collective
Sunday edition. They're underway in Nelson, Tasman against Counties Manico.
This is the penultimate game in the NPC round robin.
Tasman are already secure in the top eight. They cannot

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move into the top four so Tasman know they're going
to be somewhere five to eight, so they're going to
play in a way quarter five. Counties, on the other hand,
need to win this game if they are to jump
into the top eight ahead of Northland who are currently
eighth and watching i'm sure with great interest from Fangaday
and the surrounding areas to see if Tasman can hold
off Counties and therefore Northland will play quarterfinal rugby good stuff.

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But later on today Canterbury Tallanucki and christ Church Canterbury
need to win with a bonus point to top the table.
If they can't do that, Otago will be top qualifiers
heading into the playoffs. Tallanuki meantime, can jump into the
top four if they win, so plenty riding on these
remaining two NPC matches to play out this afternoon. The
quarterfinals are next weekend. This hour, very shortly across the

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Tasman we go to Sydney, Jake Duke out of Fox
Sports League standing by to preview tonight's NRAL Grand Final
Melbourne Storm Brisbane Broncos. Who are the most important players
and who's he got in this game? Also this how
we're going to talk about the very significant investment by
our government towards a roof on Center Court at Stanley Street,

(01:24:11):
the Auckland Tennis Center. Five million dollar investment announced on Friday.
The overall cost is fifteen so still aver to work today,
but how significant is this roland west of Tennis Auckland
With us this out but we're rugby for you as well,
and lines will remain open on any topic you like
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text message. But as we approach nine past two, that
music will tell you it is time to catch you
up with some of the stuff you might have missed.
And there has been plenty I have to say over
the last twelve to eighteen hours or so. So let's
start in the Rugby Championship. We know the All Blacks
have beaten the Wallabies. A few hours later the spring
Bots won the Rugby Championship and they did it with

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victory over a much improved Argentina at Twickenham. Then the
pocket is cut out us.

Speaker 6 (01:25:03):
It's a cross kick perrodrigo istra.

Speaker 25 (01:25:08):
And rodrigo iskra.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
We'll have the final size.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
It won't be enough to change the results, but the
harlercro gets the final try of the season, the twenty
nine to twenty seven the final tour score to South Africa.
They retained the Rugby Championship to the Farah Palmer Cup
final in Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
They just need to get it out, but they're gonna
keep charging you. He hio.

Speaker 25 (01:25:33):
The best are those given to Canterbury.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I don't want.

Speaker 25 (01:25:39):
Your dead Cama Previa tenions.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
White out o bed in Canterbury nineteen thirteen in a
Sea Soaring final in Hamilton to the final round of
the mpc Otago are top for now after ending Auckland's
dismal season, rolling more five meters from the Auckland line.
Is this drinumber six?

Speaker 8 (01:26:00):
Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Oh the Yahoos go up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Oh, it's way too easy for Otago. Bay of plenty
up to third, coming from twenty one Niel down to
beat Wellington right.

Speaker 19 (01:26:12):
Through a score.

Speaker 13 (01:26:15):
Jersey twenty two, coming onto the midfield.

Speaker 25 (01:26:17):
There's one there, two, three, four and over he goes
the momentum.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
They just pull it back twenty thirty three twenty six
to the final score of the Steamers Hawks Bay a
fourth after a comfortable win over Mina. We two down
Sullivan up at pace for Clutchy running onto the wall
at pace, send without hand on them end with a
try and Waycuto have secured their top eight spot with
victory over Northlands. Off the top eight.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
Midfield goes to the left, Pruden around the back to
Lawaukee straight up the middle goes Jacobson.

Speaker 26 (01:26:47):
Over the top Facility out of the try waking up.

Speaker 6 (01:26:51):
Why that's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Let's go to the Premier League. Liverpool will have dropped
to seek and after a late defeat at Chelsea.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
It's cooker. It's as.

Speaker 25 (01:27:01):
Sid for Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Here's indeed two to one to Chelsea the final score there.
Arsenal have gone top after a two nil win over
west Ham, helped by a goal from former west Ham
midfielder Declan Rice. Super mendy.

Speaker 25 (01:27:16):
We'll find asa with that one Lowiela gets a hunter
income race here was never going to be far from
the censor of this story, Declan Rice for former.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Hammer and the Gunner's North London neighbors Tottenham up to
third kitas no foul Mohammi Cudas is super dark. It's
in spars in front.

Speaker 25 (01:27:36):
Again Mahammi Cudas with his first goal for Tottenham Hotsma.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
A two to one when away at Leeds for Tottenham.
Closer to home, the Newcastle Jets have won Football's Australia
Cup for the first time, beating state league side Heidelberg
United in the final last night. Who is Oh good
Bye forgiveson and the.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Jets of five to a Stralia Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
History three won the score in extra time. Back home,
Australia have beaten the black Caps by three wickets in
the third and final Chapel Handley T twenty International at
Bay Oval and that.

Speaker 27 (01:28:13):
Is going to do it, Abbitt with the winning boundary
Australia sweet the Kiwis turnell in the series. The Chapel
Hadley remains on the other side of the Tasman a
three wicket.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Victory hair tonight. But really this is the game that
Mitchell marsh one certainly was Mitchell marsh scoring an unbeaten
one hundred and three or fifty two balls as Australia
chased down New Zealand's one fifty six for nine with
a couple of overs to spare. And Paul Cole has
become the first New Zealand squash player to win the
prestigious Cutter Classic, ending a six match losing run against

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world number one Mustafa Arsal in Doha.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Post Times.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
So many occasions he lost in the twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Two more previous finals, but.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
He's won in twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekends
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News Talks ABN Weekend Sport, thirteen minutes past two NRL
Grand Final tonight in Sydney, Melbourne Storm v Brisbane Broncos
set to go at nine thirty, although I think that
might be arbitrary, And just before we move on last
night I had a couple of text saying I thought
the game was kicking off at ten forty five.

Speaker 24 (01:29:29):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
We were told right across the week that game last
night was going to kick off at teen forty five
New Zealand Time eleven o five. It kicked off twenty
minutes after we were told that it would. And this
tends to happen on NRL Grand Final day as well,
doesn't it. So anytime from nine to thirty you'll find
the Melbourne Storm taking on the Brisbane Broncos tonight, the
Storm looking for redemption after last year's Grand Final heartbreak,

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the Broncos looking to win their first premiership in nineteen years.
There is, also, of course, from Warriors involvement on Grand
Final Day. Today, the reserve grade side will play the
Burly Bears for the state championship. The Warriors won the
New South Wales Cup for the very first time last weekend.
That game is underway in just over an hour twenty

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past three at the same venue, a Core Stadium in Sydney.
Let's bring in Jake Duke from Fox Sports League. Jake.
Always great to have you on the show. Thanks for
joining us. Made it seems a little bit weird talking
about a Grand Final without Penrith and it they've won
the last four, they've been in the last five. Was
there lost to the Broncos last weekend any surprise to you.

Speaker 26 (01:30:36):
Look, I saw a funny stat today. It was like
the last time Penrith won in a Grand Final the
COVID nineteen pandemics hadn't happened yet, which kind of puts
in context how long it's been since we've had a
Grand Final without them. Look, I think maybe you could
argue they just ran out of juice, you know, the
fourteen meal fourteen points up, I think the fourteen mil

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at halftime, and then they lost. And I think there
was another ridiculous stat that like if whenever they had
a twelve point lead, they were ninety eight to zero
over this last five years, like in that run. So
that just shows you that they haven't been run down
by that kind of margin for a very long time.
Whether they run out of jrue, whether they just ran
into a good Bronco side that are kind of riding

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high on belief and can kind of score points from
anywhere and never believe they're done. We saw them do
it against Camber. They came from sixteen meal down. So
I don't think anyone could default Penrith and say, oh
they you know, they're not there anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
They've lost it.

Speaker 26 (01:31:34):
They just lost one game and I'm sure they'll be
back bigger and better than next year. Whether the effect
of having to win all those games towards the back
end of the year just to make it and stuff
took a toll, we'll never know. But I wouldn't be
writing them off from saying the Dinners is over by
any stretch.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
All right, let's forget the two teams who are the
Melbourne Storm Brisbane Broncos. When you analyze these two teams,
what do your eyes naturally land in terms of the
most important players tonight?

Speaker 26 (01:32:02):
Look, I think this is the best Grand Final we
could have asked for in terms of sheer entertainment value,
who knows what might happen, sheer point scoring ability. I
think these are probably the two best attacking teams in
the competition. On their day, they've got great amount of
points in them. They are stars across the board. So

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it kind of looks to where where you can find
a weakness and deficiencies in both sides, And I think
both sides have some questionable edge defense at certain times.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
We saw Jack.

Speaker 26 (01:32:33):
Hawleth on that left edge for the Storm get caught
out a couple of times last week for by Penrith,
and then you know some of the Panther's right edge
with young Casey MacLean, and.

Speaker 5 (01:32:47):
It might be Paul Adam Molly out on that side.
They've had some issues as well. So I think that's
where you might see this one.

Speaker 26 (01:32:54):
I lost because in terms of you know, forward packs
and superstars, they've just got strike all over the place.
And it'll be who can pick apart the other's deficiencies.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Better than the other. And look they are.

Speaker 26 (01:33:08):
These two teams aren't as probably full proof defensively as
we've seen other teams be in recent years. Like Penrith,
when you think about their run over the last five years,
they've been almost impossible to score against.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
So you think about Penris, you know, kind of issued
that the.

Speaker 26 (01:33:24):
Defense that they've showne over the previous years, and then
you look at the Melbourne Storm and the Broncos sides
we've got this year that there's points that can be
scored all right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Well, then to manufacture those scoring opportunities, I guess you'll
land in the halves Cameron Munster, Jerome Hughes so somehow
has miraculously recovered from a broken wrist about eight weeks
ahead of schedule, Ben Hunt and the returning Adam Reynolds
for the Broncos. How big you say, might those four
guys have? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
Look there they're the superstars, They're the key, right.

Speaker 26 (01:33:55):
You know, Michael McGuire's had the chance to kind of
decide whether he wants to go with Adam Rendolds and
Ben Hunt or Adam Reynolds and Ezra Man, and it
appears that tonight will go with the older halves pairing.
They're actually the oldest halves pairing NURL history, Adam Renolds
and Ben.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
Hunt, so look that they've been there before.

Speaker 26 (01:34:16):
Adam Reynolds is obviously trying to win his second Grand Final,
this will be his fourth, so we saw him kind
of step up in those clutch moments last week against
against Penrith.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
Can he do it again? Ben Hunt the.

Speaker 26 (01:34:28):
Ultimate redemption story after what happened a decade ago, so
so many interesting parts to that. And then you've got Hughes,
Grant Munster, Pappenhausen like the superstar spine. Jerome Hughes. I
don't think he's getting enough credit for what he did
last week and the fact that he played that game
with a busted arm on the same shoulder that's also busted.

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He's going to need surgery on that shoulder in the
off season, which will real him out of the Keyweeks campaign.
Like he's playing hurt. It's kind of folklore stuff if
Jerome Hughes can kind of go out there and lead
Melbourne to a Grand Final win tonight because he's yeah,
he's playing absolutely buster and you know and piloting this team.
He was so good in that prelim final, so looking

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forward to seeing how he performs. And I think he's
the key for Melbourne. I know, Harry Grant's obviously a
freak and they've got superstars, but if Jerome who runs
and straightens their attack and it kind of exploits some
of that Brisbane defense I was talking about, then I
think he's the key.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
How much does Grand final experience count in a Grand Final?

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
I think a lot.

Speaker 26 (01:35:33):
And they say you've got to lose one to win one, right,
So both these teams have lost Grand Finals in the
last two years, so they've they've all been there, they
know what's going wrong, They've they've all had a chance
to kind of assess and suss what worked what didn't.
So there's there's no real excuses in terms of, you know,
one being more experienced.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
And then the other.

Speaker 26 (01:35:53):
Obviously some of the Melbourne guys have tasted victory before,
but that was a different team. You know, that was
five years ago. Cameron Smith was still there, so this
is a very kind of different.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
Melbourne storm side.

Speaker 26 (01:36:08):
Some of their real older statesmen, like the Brumbidge boys
and all that are gone. So this is a new
test in a new era for this Storm side to
win a premiership in this era. And then you got
the Broncoast that they had it won, right, they had
a Grand Final one they just for whatever reason, you know,
Some say they stopped playing trying to protect the lead.
Other say Nathan Cleary just pulled them apart. But I

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think you know they would obviously learn a lot of
lessons from that kind of Grand final. So yeah, God,
it's such a tough.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
One to pick. I honestly don't know who's going to
win this game. I think you could.

Speaker 26 (01:36:40):
You could have a tight tussle, you could have a
blowout either way, you could have a shootout with it
ends thirty two thirty who knows?

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Can ask about the two coaches. This is Storm coach
Craig Bellamy's eleventh Grand Final. I think they'd take some
past Wayne Bennett as the coach who's overseen the most.
And then Michael maguire of course with the Brisbane Broncos.
How much influence of those two guys had on their
respective teams.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Well, it's funny how they know a lot of the.

Speaker 26 (01:37:07):
Coaches in the NRL obviously either come through the Craig
Bellamy or Wayne Bennett system all these days.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
Trent Robinson as well, but like Madge obviously worked with.

Speaker 26 (01:37:17):
Craig Bellamy and they're very similar kind of guys, similar
kind of coaches, intensity, you know, ruthless trainers, kind of
just super intense guys.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
So it's funny how both their styles kind of match
up the Sea in that match.

Speaker 26 (01:37:38):
And also, like you know, they've obviously got this intensity
and they've you can see that in the Broncos kind
of fight and resilience they've shown in the finals that's
probably hasn't been there before.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
Melbourne's always had that kind of.

Speaker 26 (01:37:52):
You know, tough underbelly that Craig Bellamy sides have. So
but then you're adding to the fact that you know,
they're actually really good points scoring teams as well, and
they just they're very good at exploiting the opposition. So
that's what I mean when you say it's hard to
par whether it's going to be a defensive battle. Plenty
of points are going to be scored, and they're just
too good of attacking sides that you know that they're

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going to score thirty points each and it's going to
come down to the who runs out of time first,
you know. So it is really one of the most
intriguing Grand Finals and it'll rate really well too because
you get the massive Queensland audience, you get the Victorian audience,
and then you obviously have places like New Zealand and
New South Wales that, when they haven't rusted on rugby

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league kind of supportership, we'll just watch anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
So it's shapes.

Speaker 26 (01:38:39):
To be one of the all time great Grand Finals.
The weather here in Sydney is amazing. It's going to
be hot, actually hot hot this evening when they run
out of the field, So yeah, it shapes as a
great Grand Final, and you know, keeps things dry and
allows these two teams to kind of play football because
of daylight saving so it technically is a six just

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after six pm kickoff, So yeah, it all shapes as
one of the great.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Yeah, unmissible, you've painted a great picture. Could be twelve ten,
could be thirty four to thirty two, could be anything tonight, Jack,
So I won't ask you to pick a winner. What
I will do is think you for your time, mate,
enjoy tonight and there's always appreciate your time across New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
I no problem if I give you a winner, I
think Melbourne might get it done. But who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Who knows? Indeed, who knows? Thanks Jake Jack Duke out
of Fox Sports League and help you part of their
coverage tonight. I don't know. I mean, I don't actually
care who wins this game. It's just one of those
wonderful scenarios where I've got absolutely no skin of the game.
I've got no no affiliation to either of these sides,
but I'm just looking forward to seeing the game. In

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many ways, it's kind of nice not to have Penrith there.
They've they've almost given us finals fatigue these last these
last four or four or five years. Are there any
Melbourne Storm fans in New Zealand? Of often, I know
there are a lot of Broncos fans, and that goes back,
you know, to when we first started watching the NRL

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or the Windfield Cup as it was called back then,
before that sort of sponsorship was not allowed anymore. But
you think you likes like Alfie Langer and Steve Renoff.
Remember Steve Renoff, what a player. But are there any
Melbourne Storm fans in New Zealand. Are you one, because
it doesn't seem like a team that is a natural

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fit to us over here. I could be completely wrong.
If you're a Melbourne Storm fan, let us know. Just
give us a text nine two nine two. Tell us
how you came to be a fan of the Melbourne Storm.
Like I said, I know there were a lot of
Broncos fans. A colleague of ours, Ruben Mama, Ruben Mama
is a is a Broncos fan and proud. He'll be
wearing his his replica jersey with pride this afternoon and

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probably with a degree of nervousness. Nineteen years without winning one.
That's a long time between drinks, isn't it. So I'm
all the best fans of the Broncos and fans the
Storm too, But if in fact there are any here
in New Zealand. Rugby County's Manico lead Tasman ten to seven,
twenty minutes gone at Trafalgar Park in Nelson. So just

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reminding you that Counties need to win this game if
they are to elongate their season. If they lose, they
will be eliminated outside the top eight. Northland will go through.
If Counties beat Tasman they will go into the top eight.
Tasman will be there regardless. But later on this afternoon
Canterbury and Taranaki both secure in the top eight, but
Canterbury need to win with a bonus point if they
are to usurp Otago at the top of the table.

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The manual were Marlin's a feeder club for the storm,
I'm told on text, all right, so there may be
that that affiliation there two twenty six of this. We're
going to take a break when we come back. A
roof is looking more likely at Stanley Street at the
Auckland Tennis Center. They've been talking about this for a
while on Friday, a significant step, you'd have to think

(01:42:05):
in the right to with five million dollars of government
that is central government investment confirmed. So we're too from
here and when might we see tennis played under a
roof at Stanley Street. Rowan West is CEO of Auckland, Sorry,
Tennis Auckland, CEO of Tennis Auckland. He's going to join

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us on the show after this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
It's more than just a game. Weekend sport with Jason
Pine and GJ.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Gardnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home Builder News dogs there'd.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Be two twenty nine. I love it when when I
make a bold claim that there are any Melbourne Storm
fans in New Zealand and I get told off. It's brilliant.

Speaker 6 (01:42:46):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Mike says, wrong, Jason, Tarboro, Nico and so many New
Zealand origin players, originated players such as Big Nelson. Yeah,
Big Nelson suffer Solomona. Of course, our coaches and others
have large New Zealand connections. I'm Storm all the way. Thanks, Mike,
appreciate your text. Have you never been to a game?
Says this one when the Storm are playing? There are
thousands of Storm fans in New Zealand have always had

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Keywis playing for them, back to the days of Tarward
and Eco. There's another one, of course, Tuto was there.
Sam says, we're Storm fans, have been for over two decades.
Vicky says piney, I'm a loyal Storm fan. Definitely our year, Hi, Jason.
Heaps of Storm fans, says Andrew, and New Zealand lo's
of Keiwi League followers who live in Melbourne support the
Storm and support the Kiwi's and Steve says I've supported

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since the days of Stephen Kearney, Tublet and Nico played
for them, and Kearney assistant coach for them as well.
Thanks Steve. I'm a big Melbourne Storm fan based in Auckland,
been a fan since way back. I went to two
of their Grand finals twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. Up the
Storm baby and Mary says it's weird that Melbourne might
win the NRL and Brisbane won the AFL. Yeah, it's

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so funny, isn't it? Two teams from outside of New
South Wales contesting the Grand Final tonight? Just before we
move here, I just actually had a look at a
number of the players or players who have played KIWI
players who have played for the Melbourne Storm. Heaps, Well,
there's two there at the moment, right, there's two in
the team tonight. Jerome Hughes and Will Warbrick are in
the team at the moment. And then you just run

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your ride down. Kenny Bromwich, Jesse Bromwich, Tarwata, Nico, Stephen Kerney,
Tohoo Harris had time there, and many many others. I'm
not going to be able to get through. Adam Blair.
Why don't you Corpu had time at the Melbourne Storm.
Hey Piney go the Storm. Who can go past the
era of Billy Slater, Cameron Smith, Greg Englis Cooper Kronk,

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Ryan Hoffman go the storm YEP Melbourne fan says this one.
I was living in Melbourne nineteen ninety eight. Scott Hall,
Breckcamwley in the Halves Lazarus and Robbie kerns up prop
Tarbata in the thirteen etc. Good to know, Good to
know that I can't make bold claims and not be
called on it. Love it and I love that there
are Melbourne Storm fans here in New Zealand. I know

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there are plenty of Broncos fans too. On Friday, the
governments announced a five million dollar investments into a new
center court roof for Auckland's Manuka Doctor Tennis Arena at
Stanley Street. It's the first infrastrate ructure investment announced in
the government's seventy million dollar Major Events and Tourism package,
designed to energize the event sector, boost visitor numbers and

(01:45:16):
drive economic activity across New Zealand. Rowan West is CEO
of Tennis Auckland. Rowan thanks for joining US five million.
That seems significant. How much will that cash injection from
the government help support your Center Court roof project.

Speaker 13 (01:45:32):
Cure Jay five million is approximately one third of the
total amount we're needing. We're looking at just on fifteen
million dollars for the entire project. Quite a bit of
that has actually already been spent with the demolition of
the Robinson stand in some court extension works and other
enabling works that we got going on, So yeah, it

(01:45:54):
is significant. We already had around two point one million
in the pot, so that takes us up to close
to fifty percent and with a fair wind behind us,
I think we'll be at about ten million by Christmas.

Speaker 10 (01:46:09):
So we're well on the way.

Speaker 13 (01:46:11):
And as I say, this is a really significant announcement
and gets us well down the track.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
How much is Auckland Council going to kick in.

Speaker 13 (01:46:20):
We're still in discussions with them on the final number. Obviously,
a news article came out a couple of weeks ago
or a couple of months ago now that we were
successful in getting a one point five million dollar grant
from the Sport and Sport and Recreation Infrastructure Fund from
the Council. So and part of that is going to

(01:46:41):
these works that are currently ongoing, So yeah, they've committed,
they're in the game and on the team. We're just
working through some other options to get to that final
fifteen mil.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
So I guess it helps, doesn't it when you approach
private investors now, and I guess local government as well.
There's a certainty now that this is going to happen.
I mean, at the start, you had to get off
the start line, and I know you did that well
with some private investment, but now there's some certainty around this.

Speaker 13 (01:47:10):
Absolutely, you're dead right, and we're seeing that straightaway. Greg Long,
our immediate past president, who's been leading the charge on
most of our funding work outside of the grant sector,
which is my responsibility. So he's been talking to a
lot of high networth individuals and private donors. And he's

(01:47:32):
also leading the process on our nineteen fifty six Club,
which is a long term seat to venture program that
we've launched, and we've sold about sixty percent of all
the seats available for that, and that's going to be
around one point two million dollars if we sell all
the seats that we've got available. So yeah, and those

(01:47:54):
discussions are really proven very fruitful. In the last twenty
four hours, So it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Is big, outstanding. So Robin, bestcase scenario, when are we
going to have a roof up?

Speaker 13 (01:48:07):
If all the planets aligned and everything was literally fast tracked,
we could have this in place for the twenty twenty
seven ASP Classic. But we're going to be heading reality
and the realities of construction in the New Zealand environment.
So we've got building consents, we've got tender processes, we've

(01:48:29):
got building construction contracts to sign. So yeah, I certainly
expect now that there will be a roof over Manuka
Doctor Arena Center Court in the twenty twenty seven calendar year,
whether it's in time for the ASP Classic twenty twenty seven.
All the stars are going to have to align. But

(01:48:51):
we're going to work our tails off to make sure
that we do our best to get those stars aligned.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
All right, and if not twenty twenty eight obviously, Now
this also means I think rowan increased capacity for Center Court, doesn't.

Speaker 13 (01:49:04):
Yes, that is part of the word that we've got
going on right now. So we demolished the Robinson stand.
The grand old Lady of Center Court had come to
the end of its useful life, so we demolished that
about two months ago, we had to increase the size
of center court to meet ATP Tour standards. The game

(01:49:25):
has become so much more powerful and the players are
playing much deeper in the court these days, and they
changed their standards about two years ago. So officially we
were too short in terms of our total court area,
so we're increasing the court area by about four meters
in depth. But what that also allows us to do

(01:49:46):
is put in a new temporary grand stand for the
ASB Classic, which will go to one thousand seats instead
of eight hundred which the old Robinson had. And then
also in our northeast corner where we used to have
a temporary corporate box stand, that's going to be converted
to grandstand seating hiring grandstand and said for about two

(01:50:07):
hundred and thirty, So we will end up with threey
five hundred capacity, four hundred above what we had last year.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Without these upgrades, would the ASB Classic Fortnite have been
under serious threat.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
We always are, Jason.

Speaker 13 (01:50:24):
The people that aren't involved in tennis probably don't know
what the pressures are to get these licenses and get
these tournaments in countries.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
There is so much wealth out.

Speaker 13 (01:50:37):
There in the world that people just don't realize, whether
at a city level, country level, or an individual investor level.
So we're always being under pressure by countries or cities
or even individuals to buy the licenses of the two
tournaments we run. So if we don't upgrade our facilities,

(01:51:01):
if we don't keep improving, one day, either an investor
or or even the ATP itself will tap us on
the shoulder and say, are you really serious?

Speaker 11 (01:51:12):
Is Auckland is.

Speaker 13 (01:51:13):
Tennis, Auckland is tennis New Zealand, Are you really serious
about improving and being a world class tournament. If you're not,
get out of the game, and then that would be
devastating for Auckland and New Zealand and the sporting and
entertainment landscape. So we pretty much have to do this,
and it's like anything in the world. If you want

(01:51:35):
to be world class, you've got to look around and
see what your competition is and you've got to meet
that or exceed it well.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
As I understand that the ASP Classic delivered to growth
economic booth of twenty two point three million to Auckland
this year, so yeah, well worth doing HSI. I just
love the ambition because you're right. It would be easy
to do nothing, wouldn't it, But then you know we
would have to find something else to do in the
first couple of weeks of January every year.

Speaker 13 (01:51:59):
Yeah, and we love being the go to sports and
entertainment event for Auckland's and New Zealanders and people kind
of forget that twenty five percent of all of our
attendees come from outside of Auckland and three percent, about
twelve hundred a year, come from overseas. So that's the
likes of five seven, eight seven Dreamline is coming into

(01:52:21):
Auckland specifically for people to come and watch the ASP Classic.
You can't undervalue that, as you say, that's twenty three
million dollars twenty two million dollars of GDP gross GDP impact.
But what it also what we allsohire event throws into
the government coffers about three million dollars of tax a year.

(01:52:42):
So doing this project, increasing our capacity, running more third
party events at the at the venue will increase the
tax take for the government. So everybody wins. GDP grows,
we can drive more growth in jobs and we run
more interesting and innovative events here at Minuka Doctor Arena.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Yeah, I was going to say though just tennis, as
it does us open the venue up to other events
as well.

Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:53:09):
Absolutely, we've been looking to run more events here over
the last few years. Some of your listeners might remember
there was a concert here court Center Court Sounds with
the New Zealand band Leisure in January this year. Went
off really well and it was almost a test case
of what we can do with a little boutique a
venue in the CBD. This coming year in twenty twenty six,

(01:53:34):
were actually going to be the host venue for the
Fever or the International Basketball Federation endorsed Death three on
three Basketball World Cup, so they're going to be playing
on Center Court in September next year, with or without
a roof over Center Court. And they're the sorts of
events and even higher level events, maybe a Fever three

(01:53:55):
on three World Series event, a World Beach Volleyball Tour event,
lots of things, more concerts, So there's just almost unlimited
range of events who need a boutique one to four
thousand capacity arena close to downtown, close to transport links

(01:54:17):
that is accessible and affordable to rent. We think we're
going to be in a sweet spot for those sort
of events. In the future.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Well it's obvious you've got real momentum. Now a red
letter day with government investment confirmed. Rowlan, thanks for your time.
Did I look forward to following the progress over the
next few months to the actual green light and then
over the next couple of years for the development of
the roof. Thanks for taking the time for a chat. Cheers, Jason,
thank you, No, thank you Rowan West there he is

(01:54:45):
the CEO of Tennis Auckland, so they've got traction, they've
got momentum. That roof is coming. Twenty twenty seven might
be a bit ambitious, as Rowan said there, but certainly
the ASP Classic at the start of twenty twenty eight
should be played under the roof at Minuka Doctor Tennis
Arena at Stanley Street in Auckland. Rarely tight battle going

(01:55:07):
on in Nelson between the Homeside Tasman and Counties Manico
thirty six minutes gone at Trafalgar Park. Counties lead twenty
points to nineteen, twenty points to nineteen. Needing to win
Counties if they are to make the top eight, eighteen
away from three. Going to come back and circle back
to the rugby just to final few thoughts from the
man of the match last night, Quinte Pyre and All

(01:55:28):
Blacks head coach Scott Robertson to come.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
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Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
Dogs Tepping go Insiber twenty two for left pen side
on the Chargeley All.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
It's right and the Quintin Pie with a couple of
tries to punctuate a terrific performance in his first All
Blacks start at center. How did quint to Pire feel
about the game afterwards?

Speaker 5 (01:56:02):
Position?

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
And I haven't played a lot at and.

Speaker 24 (01:56:06):
He got a lot of confidence from a midfield partner
this week and the other boys in the group, Billy
and Anton Reeks. So you're pretty pleased with that performance here.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
What was the plan for the All Blacks on attack
last night?

Speaker 24 (01:56:17):
Yeah, we knew that a bit of a soft defense.
The likes of sior Le and their wing. Theer's likes
to make you dig right into the line, So I
thought we trained this week. Si, you shot out quite
a few times, changed the picture on us a little
bit that we were despecting. But likes of guys like
Leicester able to fight through that context.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
So yeah, what was the adjustment like and how big
was it from twelve to thirteen?

Speaker 24 (01:56:45):
I guess defensively there's a lot more space to cover,
so right there had to chase down Jorginson a few times.
Not used to that, and it's a little bit tougher defensively,
a bit more space on attack, which is nice.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
Was it a surprise to even be named at thirteen? Yeah,
it was a surprise.

Speaker 24 (01:57:00):
I didn't really expect it Monday clarity. I was running
on the wing in and name got called it enter
on Tuesday morning with no heads up, so I was
all over my detail thought. I trained very well there
this week, a lot of confidence going into the game
and yeah, I guess happy to play anywhere for this team.

(01:57:22):
Just pretty keen to be on the field where it's
twelve thirteen when the twenty two jumper.

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
And how happy are the All Blacks two win back
to back matches which has proved elusive during the Rugby Championship. Yeah,
that's something we spoke about.

Speaker 24 (01:57:33):
We haven't backed up well, had big performances at the
Eden Park and then fell off the week after, so
very satis siren for the scroup. It's nice now to
have three weeks off and with that performance, it's good
slipping stone into the northern toil.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
That's the voice of Quinn to pire. So how did
his head coach rate his performance? Here is Scott Robertson
on Quinn to pire?

Speaker 28 (01:57:54):
Yeah? Really please? For May was Grady. He's pretty robust,
tough physical. It was great to see him as ball
Kerry and you know he'll be better for that test.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
How pleasing is it for Scott Robertson to go eleven
straight games now without losing to Australia.

Speaker 28 (01:58:08):
It means a lot, you know, because we've had a
few things that we wanted to keep the tradition, history
on and other teams to set this up, so we
wanted to keep that they're going and we know that
Australia have got a you know a little bit of
momentum in the Union and it's a sport that needs it.
People come watch when you're winning and you know that
Lions Tour and there's a little bit of higher around.
We knew how tough the series was going to be

(01:58:29):
against them. Every series, well, every back to back games
have been you know, we were just pleased and we
respect them with a really over a week of good preparation.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
What was Scott Robertson's assessment of US two wingers last night?
Leroy Carter and Leicester fighting unlookal.

Speaker 28 (01:58:43):
Lee Roy is pretty special, you know, he powerful, short, good, good,
howks keeps his feed and understands really instinctual. And then
obviously when you got Lester who can just run over
people and carry people and hold his feet, it's a
good balance. And he's got to left foot, so to
have him and Caleb and someone that can go into
the midfield so that they were all great. And Lerik

(01:59:05):
is we know to play halfback, so they've got some
great strengths.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
And finally from Scott Robertson, is his game plan starting
to bed in as we approach the midway points of
the World Cup cycle?

Speaker 24 (01:59:16):
Oh?

Speaker 28 (01:59:17):
You you always evolving it like in game stuff, and
you're going to play some width and obviously it rained
and then you can go back and forward between it.
But probably the key thing is just not the way
you play in the understandings when they get out there
that you know what you coach for the week. It's
at the time the call you how to get messages
down there, get one or two. They've already said it,
so that's part of what I was talking about, the game.

(01:59:38):
And information is already on the field. They've got the answers.
That's one part of it, and the other part is
create depth, and you know we want to go four
deep in each position, so we've created a lot of
competition and we feel like we're getting there.

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
That is Scott Robertson, of course, head coach, after the
twenty eight to fourteen win last night. Now, just in
a little footnote or a side note to this, about
twenty four hours ago on the show, we played our
Sporting Chance competition. We do this every Saturday. We offer
a lucky you listen to the chance of three bets
short evans a long and they decide which one they
want and we place a one hundred and fifty dollars

(02:00:11):
bonus bet on their behalf and if it comes home,
the winnings minus the initial one fifty are their. Now,
Lucy was our lucky Caully yesterday and I gave her
her three options, So those are your choices, Lucy, Melbourne
storm to win the Grand Final. That would get you
one hundred and five the All Blacks to beat the
Wallaby's thirteen plus that would get you two hundred and

(02:00:32):
eighty five, or Nottingham Forest to beat Newcastle that would
get you six hundred and thirty. Why you're getting some
help there? Who's help being out on the background there?

Speaker 23 (02:00:42):
So I think I'll do the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
I heard that suggestion given by your very sensible husband,
love it All Blacks about the Wallaby's thirteen plus. Well,
place the bet for both of you and if that happens,
two hundred and eighty five dollars for you guys. All right, well,
all right, So the All Blacks left it lay, didn't they?
But in the eighty first minute a head by we had.

Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
This posted a line have to be certaints the last
opportunity and aver and it's Jorge Bell.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
So I am sure among all the other All Blacks
fans who were leaping about wildly at that point, Lucy
and her husband also were, because that try got them
to win in about six hundred and something dollars yesterday.
So well done, Lucy and your husband, whose name I
didn't catch, but who certainly helped with the option choice.
I'm sure you'll find a good use for that cash.

(02:01:41):
Nine to three News Talks in b.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
The sup from the Track, Fields and the Court, on
your homes Sport, Weekend Sport with Jason Vine Us Talks.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
MB coming up five to three. Final piece of correspondence
for the day from Andrew on text Jason. One more
interesting fact about Jerome Hughes is he said in an
interview this week the player who inspired him when he
was younger was Jordan Cahu, who played in the twenty
fifteen Grand Final for the Bronx to Wellington Boyce, who
have done very well. Thanks Andrew, Thanks indeed for your text,

(02:02:11):
Thanks for all your calls and your correspondence. This afternoon
being a busy old show as we crowned a few
issues sporting on the field and court and off the
field and court. Huge thanks to Bevan Jee for producing
this afternoon. Got on you mate, Go and enjoy the
rest of your afternoon. I hope you enjoy your afternoon
and evening as well. Tim Beveridge will take you through
the rest of your Sunday afternoon with the Weekend Collective

(02:02:33):
after three. I'm back on Sports Talk tomorrow night as
we break down the weekends. All that is left is
for an exit song today and with the NRL Grand
Final on tonight in Sydney, and always thinking back to
the late eighties when the NRL or the Winfield Cup
as it was then kind of came into my consciousness
and was sort of driven in there by the voice

(02:02:56):
of Tina Turner, who the New South Wales Rugby League
used as part of their promotional material at the back
end of eighty eight and into nineteen eighty nine. What
you get us, what you see, Let's take us out
today see himorrow night. Fip it out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
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