Full Show Podcast: 06 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hello there you, good afternoon, and welcome into the Saturday
edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks ed B. December sixth,
Happy twenty ninth birthday to black Caps all around the Glen Phillips.
Today I'm Jason Pine Show producer Today Corbyn Boyd. We're
here until three talking sport, a big football show for you.
In large part today the draw for the twenty twenty

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six feet for World Cup made this morning in Washington, DC. Eventually,
with your Whites landing in Group G, New Zealand will
play Iran in their opener in either Los Angeles or
Seattle on June fifteen, that is June sixteen, News in Time,
Egypt in La or Vancouver six days later, and Belgium

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in Seattle or Vancouver five days after that. Iran Egypt, Belgium.
How does that stack up? As a group head coach
Darren Baisley standing by the chat to us from Washington,
DC after this morning's draw. Kee de defend of Michael
Boxer as well, who knows a bit about football in
the United States, having spent the last decade with Minnesota United.

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How are the team feeling about this draw and how
are they placed? Seven months out from a return to
the FIFA World Cup. Your thoughts are welcome too. Can
we get out of this group? Feels like it right,
It's way better than it could have been. No easy
groups at the World Cup, but you look at that
and you think there are results to be had. So
a lot of football discussion around the World Cup this

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out and after two going to zero in on a
domestic clash which has very quickly become compulsory sports viewing
the New Zealand A League men's derby Auckland FC and
the Wellington Phoenix Go Media Stadium from five o'clock this afternoon.
Both coaches on the show after two. Steve Couric are
going to join us in Gianclo, Italiana as well after

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two o'clock and your thoughts on the Darby two. Can
Willington finally win one of these things? Beautiful day in
Auckland today compared to a week ago when Auckland do
you see it to pland torrential rain against the Newcastle
Jets are much better today other matters around today, the
stoush has intensified between those pushing for a franchise based

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T twenty cricket competition here and a consortium in support
of the governing body New Zealand Cricket further weighing up options.
An open letter was sent out on Thursday, signed by
fifteen former national representatives questioning whether the NZ twenty proposal
should go ahead, and they made some rather interesting claims

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in that letter. One of the signatory's, former international Richard Petrie,
going to join us after one and we will look
forward to getting your calls and thoughts on that as well.
Very sad news meantime in the cricket world this week
the passing of former England batsman Robin Smith at the
age of just sixty two. Former New Zealand opener Brian
Young established a strong friendship with Robin Smith, having played

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against him several times during the nineties. He's going to
join us to pay tribute. Adam Peacock and his regular
slot too, with Australian sporting matters, including the Soakaroos World
Cup group and the Second Ashes Test, which has already
gone longer than the first one. We start day three
but later on today and we'll play a sporting chants.
Your opportunity to place a one hundred and fifty dollars

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bonus bet from the tab and collect the winnings if
it comes in. As well as all that, plenty of
live sport to keep eyes on this afternoon. Day five
of the First cricket Test between the Black Caps and
the West Indies is ongoing in christ Church. The West
Indies two hundred and sixty seven for four at the moment,
chasing five hundred and thirty one.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
That seems out of reach.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
But well, the two West Indies players at the crease
at the moment are looking very very good. Indeed, Shay
Hope is out there and unbeaten on one hundred and
thirty nine. Justin Greeves is there on eighty seven. And
it is a rather depleted New Zealand bowling attack too
for various reasons in this fourth innings of the Test.

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So can they somehow New Zealand find the six wickets
they need to win the first Test, or or the
West Indies are continue to defy them. Look like I say,
I don't think five thirty one is in their wretch.
It might be, but it feels more like the West
Indies will try and play out this fifth and final
day for a draw. Can New Zealand pick up the
six wickets that they need? We'll certainly keep very close

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eyes on that for you. And some blanket shield action
around the place. And the third round of Golf's Australian
Open underway at Royal Melbourne. Five kiwis have made the cup.
Ryan Fox and Daniel Hillier are the best of them.
Both six under Hillia underway around one seventeen this afternoon.
Ryan Fox is on the tea at one twenty eight.
Nick Voke, Tyler Hodge and Kerry Mountcastle are the others.

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They're already out on course in round three. We will
keep eyes on them for you as always. Your contribution
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Speaker 1 (05:20):
Down to the line. You made a call on eight
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Speaker 2 (05:27):
The All Whites will face Belgium, Egypt and Iran and
Group G at next year's FIFA World Cup. New Zealand
was the forty eighth and final ball plucked out in
the first ever draw of that size. Ice hockey's greatest
Wayne Gretzky, announcing their name to the world New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
And finally New Zealand thanks to the expansion of the
tournament to forty eighteens. The All Whites are the first
team ever from Osiana to secure a direct qualifying spot.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
So Belgium are eighth in the world, Iran a twentieth
and Egypt are thirty fourth. For reference, New Zealand currently
eighty sixth in the world. That does sound like a
bit of a golf but by the time you get
above number thirty in the world, it does tend to
constrict a little bit, you know, certainly in a one
off situation like a World Cup match. Now, the full

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match schedule is released tomorrow, but the All Whites know
their first game will be against Iran, then Egypt, then
Belgium with fixtures and either Los Angeles, Seattle or Vancouver.
All Whites coach Darren Baisley is with US out of Washington,
d C. Where he was present this morning to see
the drawer play out. What do you make of it? Bays, Iran, Egypt,

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and Belgium. How do you stack that up as a
group for the All Whites next year?

Speaker 5 (06:45):
I think it's a good group.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
You know, we knew coming into it, you know that
any group was going to be challenging. You know, they're
all good teams there, but I think you look across
at some of the other groups or when we got
to the pot, you know, some of the other groups
were probably a little bit tougher, you know, but we
know it's going to be a challenge there.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
You know, they're good teams. They're all good teams, and
we had to.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Wait till the very last ball coming out to to
eventually find out where we were going to be, which
was they made us wait.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
But yeah, it's a good it's a good group, exciting group.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
As you say.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
The way the drawer played out, the groups are filled
from Pot one, two, and three and then down to
Pop four where New Zealand was So did you look
across the makeup of the groups after three pots were
emptied and did you see one you quite liked and
one that all shivers?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I'm not sure we want to be in there.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
There was definitely a couple of there was a couple
of really tough groups, yeah, really really tough groups, and
a couple of groups go that would be a good one.
That would be a good one. And you know, I
think we ended up in I suppose we end up
where we're supposed to be. And this is what the
challenge we now face. You know, we've got one of
the big teams, but you know, potentially they're not you know,
the top three or four in the world. You know,
we didn't get Argentine and Brazil or Spain, Germany, England, France,

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you know, you know, so we've we've got Belgium and
they're very good, you know. And then the Pop two
and Pot three teams we missed common Ball, so we
didn't get a South American team and we did only
got one U A for team. So that was probably
if you if you could have asked me to Warham,
what do you not want? It would have been a
combaval team and two UA for teams because that could happen,
and I think some of those some of those groups

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are probably a little bit tougher.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So when you look at the three matches you have
to play, and I guess you're ranked them by Pot
more than anything, don't you Belgium or and Pot one,
I run more in Pot two and Egypt or on
Pot three, And that fits with the rankings at the moment.
So do you naturally target the game against Egypt, for example,
as the one which is most winnable or or is
that not your mindset going in?

Speaker 6 (08:38):
I mean we'll go into every game trying to win
that game, you know, whether it's in Belgium, Iran, or Egypt.
I think they're all going to be slightly different games,
different challenges. But you know, we've got a lot of
time now to do a lot of work on the
opposition and you know, find all their strengths and weaknesses
and who the players are and everything. So you know,
we've got a bit of time to ensure that we're
as planned and prepared as we can be.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And as far as the schedule is concerned, you don't
know the venues ship, but you do know the order
is that right? Will it be I run Egypt Belgium?
That the is that the order of the game.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
I think as far as I know that's right, I
think you're right with that. And we know that we're
going to be either La, Seattle or Vancouver as a basis.
We don't know the exact one yet, but yeah, I
think it's really good location for us as well. Obviously
direct flights from New Zealand, which is great into La
and Vancouver, so that's a real bonus. I think it
makes things a little bit easier for fans, and potentially

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the climate's in those sort of three areas. You know,
I think Mexico would have been a tough, tough ask,
you know, going there would have made that slightly more
harder with altitude and heat some of the southern states.
And also you know when you look at Atlanta and Houston, Dallas,
you know that that's really difficult to train and playing
those sort of areas. So yeah, and we may have
got you know, West Coast maybe maybe suit us a

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little bit more.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
And up till now, I mean you qualified in March Bays.
We're in December now, so you've known you're going but
the state's been in the diary is okay, we're going
to find out who we play. Have you been able
to plan in any way, any significant way up till
now or did you really have to wait until those
balls came out today before you can really start strategizing.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
It's I mean, it's so random. There were so many
different equations that could have been there, could be there,
could be there. I think the probabilities were like endless
of who things, so we had somebody looking at it.
But yeah, I think it was drawers are pretty random.
I think if you did the simulator, you did that
a number of times, we always got a different group.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
So yeah, it was a case of let's.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
Wait till the last name coming out of the last
ball coming out of the pot for us to know
exactly where, even though I think with two balls left
we sort of knew, okay, they can't go there they
so we're going to be in that pot. So we
sort of did know your two balls out, But yeah,
I kept waiting for our name to come out earlier, earlier,
but no, right till the end.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Now we know that, Now we know the draw I
can ask you about you know, ideals and things like that.
Did any part of you, given you your background, kind
of hope that England and New Zealand might be in
the same group.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Not really. I mean we knew we were going to
get one of the big teams.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
You know, it's a Brazil, Argentina, England, France, Germany, Spain,
Portugal in there as well, and we got Belgium, So
I didn't really have a preference. I suppose you're always
looking for, you know, the group that we can get.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
That gives us the best chance to get results.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
You know, I suppose realistically, you know, the bigger the
team in, the harder that becomes. So you know, I
think they're all going to be challenging. Like you know,
we are the lowest ranked team in the tournament, so
they're probably looking at us. But I think we also
know and the players know that on our day we're
a very good team and we can post challenges for
these other teams.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Any curious Belgian, Egyptian or Iranian media been on to
you since you were drawn with him.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Yeah, we've done a few.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Yeah, it's been pretty crazy since the draw, and you know,
so many media here. It's you know, it's a real
frenzy and you know we did. We did quite a
few different different places media wise. That's been cool, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
And they don't do anything small in the United States,
do they. Base The balls didn't start coming out to
about ninety minutes after the thing had started with Page
and Tree.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
But but Andrea Bocelli, I know you're a big fan.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
That would have been quite cool to see him open it.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
So open with him was amazing. It's such a great voice. Yeah,
it was. It was crazy.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
And we were quite close to the front, you know,
where he was obviously performing.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
So that was cool.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Not really the sort of thing you expect a football
draw to have these high profile performers right in front
of you. And we had Robbie Williams and Nicole Scherzinger
and Laurence Hill came on, and you've got Kevin Hart there,
We've had clumb and yeah, it was it was.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
It was quite quite crazy.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
All right.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, now you can start planning. We know that you're
Whites will be home in March for games and a
FIFA series. We wait to see who those opponents are.
But what are the most important things now for you
and your coaching team and your players between now and
when you do hop on the plane to get to
the United States next year.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Yeah, I think you know, competition's hitting up for players.
What we need, what we need is everybody fit and
available when we get to the World Cup. You know,
we've built some depth over the last couple of years
with different positions, but we know for us to be
at our best, we need all of our players available
and all of our players fully fit.

Speaker 8 (13:33):
You know.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
The last few windows, you know, we've we've had players
missing Chris wordleyby, you know, we miss Joe Bow and
a couple of the couple of the games, and so
we need everybody available.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Exciting time space. You know who you're playing now, you
know where you're going to be based. Tomorrow we'll find
out the exact locations of these matches. Thanks for joining us.
I know you've had a busy old day there in Washington,
d C. Travel safe. We'll see you back home.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
There's bit cold here as well. We've had about snow
this morning.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Well it's nice and fine in Auckland, I can tell
you for the Darby, so looking forward.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
To Lovely Yeah, yeah, I'm going to try and catch
that later.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Good to chat base, Good on you mate.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Thanks for joining us, Darren, and know it's been a
busy morning for you or I guess afternoon over there.
That's Darren Baisley out of Washington, DC, coach of the
All Whites who now know who they'll face at the
World Cup next year. Football fans, let's hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. How do you feel
about this draw? As Darren Baisley said, we've avoided South

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American opposition. That is a very good start. I have
to say, anyone from South America would have been difficult.
We've also avoided being one of the four groups with
two European sides, which would also have been quite tough.
So to avoid South American sides I think is the
big win here, a really big win. Egypt yet to

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win a match at a World Cup in seven attempts.
Iran have only won three of their previous eighteen matches
at World Cups. Then Belgium, I mean, I feel like
the game against Belgium or whoever came out of Pot
one for US, if it wasn't going to be one
of the host sides, you know, one of the top
nine ranked countries in the world was always going to

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be tough, so it's almost a bit of a free
hit in many ways, and that the way that it's
set up, we don't play Belgium until last. It will
be tricky going into that game knowing that we needed
a result to progress. That would be tough. But really
New Zealand have to zero in on those first two

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games Iran and Egypt. Those other games that New Zealand
will most confidently feel as though they can get something
out of the way the World Cup is set up.
There are forty eight teams, as mentioned this time, twelve
groups of four. The top two in each group go
through to the round of thirty two and they are

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joined by the eight best third place teams, and that's
done on points first of all, then goal difference, then
goals scored, and you work your way down. So it
feels as though you need to get a couple of
results to get out of the pool. Two draws in
fact probably won't be enough. That wouldn't be enough to

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get you into the top two probably or one of
the best third place teams. So you've got to beat somebody.
You've got to get a win. New Zealand have never
won a game out of Senior Men's World Cup. But
as I just said, need to have Egypt and I
run have only won three out of eighteen, so this
is not daunting. It's not daunting. It is very very doable.

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The locations for Group G are also I think rarely favorable.
Los Angeles, Seattle, Vancouver, all over on the western seaboard
of North America. We don't have to go into Mexico,
which would have had its own unique challenges with the
likes of altitude. We don't have to travel all the

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way across the United States over to the eastern side,
where during June and July, especially in some of those
southern states, it can get really hot, really really hot
for fans. Getting up to Los Angeles, Seattle, Vancouver is
not that problematic. Really direct flights out of Auckland to

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LA and Vancouver as far as I know, and Seattle
is I've had it explained to me. It's only about
ninety minute drive from LA from Vancouver, so Seattle and
Vancouver are pretty close.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
The time difference is friendly twenty one hours behind.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
So the easiest way to work that as you add
three hours to where we are and it's the day
before so what are we now, twelve twenty five on
on Saturday, So it's what twenty five past three Friday
afternoon over there? Kickoff times and venues are announced tomorrow,
so we won't know exactly where they're playing and at

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what times until tomorrow morning. There are four games a day,
four games a day during during group play, and they
tend to try and keep them separate so that they
don't have games that overlap, so you can watch every game.
So I guess the earliest you might have a game
is early afternoon in the in the venue. So let's

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say that was I don't know two o'clock. That'll be
eleven am over here, and then you work your way
two maybe fucked, maybe two and five, I don't know,
eight o'clock, who knows. I'm just guessing. But the time
difference is ready friendly, so there should be some big,
big audiences and big interest back here. Twelve twenty five,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Give us your thoughts on this,

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in particular those of you have been watching the All
Whites for a while, the soccer or football aficionados amongst you,
What do you make of this? Is this a group
that new Zealand should feel confident of having a crack
at of getting out of eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is and number twelve twenty s back with some of

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Speaker 2 (19:20):
This is News Talks EDB and the World Cup draw
keen to kick this around? Also, if you or had
been waiting for the drawer to come out, and in
particular the locations before you committed to perhaps perhaps getting
over there and getting involved, does this make it more
likely more palatable? As I say that the traveler is

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far less onerous than it could have been. A direct
flight to two of the venues that New Zealand are
potentially playing at in or Seattle a bit harder to
get to, I guess, But as I say, your flight
of Vancouver, it's a ninety minute driver. As I understand,
oh it's a different country, but across a border to
the paperwork and all that sort of thing, But doesn't
sound problematic to me, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
point eighty, if you would like to contribute to the conversation.

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Just as we were talking about the West Indies digging in,
they have lost a wicket, their fifth wicket in christ Church,
Shay Hope out for one hundred and forty. Pairing that
with the fifty six he got in the first I
think so he's been feasting at Hagley Oval, but he's
out caught by Tom Latham off the bowling of Jacob

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Duffy for one hundred and forty. He and Justin Greeves
putting on one hundred and ninety six for the fifth wicket.
So at a great partnership there for the fifth wicket
between Hope and Greeves. Justin Greeves is there on ninety one.
But New Zealand, I guess now will feel as though
they're into the lower middle order and perhaps into the tale.

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Tevin in Luck, the wicket keeper, has come in to
join Justin Greeves, and there was an issue around the
bowling and Nathan Smith and his ability to bowl in
the second innings. He hasn't been seen so a side
strain as I understand it has been the issue with
Nathan Smith and his lack of contribution, but Michael Bracewell's

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bowl twent five overs and rch and Ravendra as out
of twelve overs of spinners well as to complement the
seam of Henry, Folks and Duffy has there also been
a problem with Matt Henry that I hear is he
perhaps not bowling in this innings either, only eleven overs
so far in the sinnings. I may may have picked
up or I thought I picked up on something like
that last night when he there was a suggestion that

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he might not be able to bowl on the fifth
and final day either. So it looks like it might
just be Folks, Duffy, Bracewell and Ravendra who are in
charge of getting these final five western these wickets on
text Line's open spere one there for you if you
want to jump on O eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty text says, good afternoon, Jason. If the your Whites
are to have any chance to pick up wins against

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Iran and Egypt, we need fully fit players to start
the matches. The only area of our game I'm really
worried about is that we have no good backup for
Chris Wood. Since Ben Wayne left Wellington Phoenix, he's taken
a bit of a step backwards. He needs to get
back to the A League, get some formed back in
his game, and he needs goals that normally build up confidence.
It's a great point that you make. Ben Wayne is

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now playing at Port Vale and the third tier of
English football and has been very very underutilized, shall we say,
In fact, he's hardly played. He's hardly played and Darren
Basley said there we need a fully fit squad, but
we also need players playing now. The squad size for
the World Cup next year is twenty six. You can

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take between twenty three and twenty six as the latest
information that we have. There's been no real confirmation of this.
Normally the squad size has been twenty three. It was
twenty six and cutter, but that was mainly around the
COVID situation at that time. But as I understand the

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latest intellers you can take twenty six players. So I'm
not sure that Ben Wayne is currently in that twenty
six anyway, that's maybe a discussion for another day. Must's
find I don't know much about football, but they all
sound pretty beatable, don't they Belgium I think will be
very tough. You know, we're talking about a team in
the top ten in the world. You know, you look
at some of the players they have at their disposal

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and you know that they had a bit of a
golden generation a wee while ago, which never really came
to fruition in terms of getting results at big tournaments.
But they were unbeaten in European qualifying five wins and
three draws. Kevin de Bruyner, who many people will remember
from his time at Manchester City now playing at Napoli,

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is probably their biggest star. Leandro Trossar out of Arsenal,
Manchester City's Jeremy Doccu and Romulu Lukaku also at Napoli.
With Kevin de Bruyne, they're a major attacking threats. As
I say, by the time we get to there, by
the time we get to the Belgium game, which is
the last of the games for the All Whites at

(23:58):
this World Cup, you'd have to hope that they would
have done enough in the first two to be in
with a really, really good chance of making it through
the first two games. That are probably the ones, in fact,
definitely the ones which New Zealand will be targeting as
as winnable in the group stages. So Belgium, Egypt and

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Iran at the FIFA World Cup. One of the most
important members of the All Whites is Michael Boxel. He's
been based in the United States for the last decade
with Minnesota United in Major League Soccer and he joins US. Now,
what do you make of it, Michael, Belgium, Egypt and Iran.
How do you feel about that as a as a
group at the World Cup next year?

Speaker 9 (24:43):
Yeah, as they were pulling out all the teams out
of Pop four, there was Yeah, some tough groups need
to be filled, so yeah, it could have been a
lot worse. Obviously, it's going to be three very very
difficult games, but no exciting. Obviously we qualified way back
in March, which feels like a lifetime ago, and just
kind of counted down to today and yeah, glad to

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finally get games on the books.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Indeed, we'll find out tomorrow where exactly you'll play each
of these teams, but the group is going to be
in Los Angeles, Seattle, and Vancouver.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Have you played regularly in one or all of those cities?

Speaker 9 (25:20):
Yeah, As Minnesota. We're in the Western Conference, so we
plan all of those cities. Yeah, at least once every year.
So yeah, pretty familiar.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
And in terms of June and July weather wise, what
what are we talking box? Is it going to be
in the in the high twenties early thirties as we
understand it. I know you work on fahrenheit now, but
will it be Will it be comfortable playing in June
in those places?

Speaker 9 (25:47):
I think it would be. Seattle's probably a similar climate
to a Kiwi summer, so yeah, probably in the mid twenties.
I mean, still potential for rain in those areas, but
I think I'm pretty sure La as well as Vancouver
stadiums are covered and indoors or yeah, rain when sun won't

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be too much of a factor there. So I'm definitely
lucky to avoid the humidity of the East Coast and
Texas and Florida for sure.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, I was going to say so.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
On the other side, on the Eastern Seaboard, there will
be some more uncomfortable playing conditions for some of the
teams drawn into groups over there.

Speaker 9 (26:23):
Yeah, absolutely, those Like whenever I get my own Molestra,
I just beg. We don't have a Houston or or
Florida away in June July, because those are nightmares to play.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
So how do you evaluate where your Whites are? As
you say, qualification was secured back in March, the team's
been together fairly regularly in the time since, with some
good quality matches. How do you evaluate where you are
six months, seven months out from the World Cup.

Speaker 9 (26:49):
Yeah, I think each window we've had at least one
kind of really solid performance and then the other where
we've i don't know, made a few changes or not
been able to match the level that we didn't in
the previous match. So I think we're in a good spot.
I think the most important thing for us now is
we need to get everybody healthy and playing really and

(27:10):
fully fit. I think we haven't. I don't think base
has had a fully healthy squad select from since maybe June,
which is always a tricky window for the European guys
coming off in the middle of their off season. So yeah,
I'd just like to see us fully fit. Obviously, Woodsy
keep it healthy. Libby as well obviously huge pieces for

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us if we really want to want to be firing
come June twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
With qualification secured, as you say back in March, no
doubt you're talking about the World Cup. Before today, you
didn't know who you were playing, that sort of thing.
But how driven are you as a playing group to
make a bit of history of this World Cup, a
first ever one perhaps getting out of the group for
the first time at a senior means World Cup.

Speaker 9 (27:53):
Yeah, I think that's kind of what we've been talking
about behind closed doors, and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned
it to a few times before, where it's a lot
of these guys were motivated and inspired by the twenty
ten in South Africa and so they want to turn
around and do the same thing to all the young
kiwi's playing in New Zealand now. So I think that's yeah,

(28:14):
winning getting picking up our first first win, and then
I don't think getting out of the group is is
super unrealistic with kind of the performance that we're performances
that we've put together in the last two or three windows.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Have you seen some excitement in the United States about
the World Cup next year or are we too far
out for that to have happened just yet.

Speaker 9 (28:37):
I think there's always a little bit of buzz, a
little bit of mentioned about it, But I think today's
the hottest my phone's been since since back in March probably,
So yeah, I think all the casual fans that are
starting to we'll start to look at tickets and know
where teams are going to be, and yeah, I think
the buzz is only going to, yeah, continue to get

(28:58):
higher and higher as we get closer.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
And confirmation this week that the audites will be back
home in March as you put your final preparation touches on.
We wait to see who those games are against. But
you know, how nice will it be for you and
the team to have a couple of games on home
soil or I don't know, a fear well, I.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Wish you well kind of a week here in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (29:19):
I mean, yeah, that's massive.

Speaker 9 (29:20):
I'm yeah, superstoked, that pregnant when the New Zealand footbaboard
managed to get that across the line. Yeah, I kind
of thought that that game it mounts smart against Australia,
sitting on the bench for ninety minutes was going to
be the last time I play an in z So
the fact that yeah, we get another one, another hitout
and in front of our fans who've yes, been huge

(29:42):
and supporting us. It's going to be really cool.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, looking forward to seeing your home. You were saying
about the hot temperatures before, But are you shoveling snow
at the moment? Why don't you get off this call
from me?

Speaker 9 (29:51):
Yeah, I've had to do it about three or four
times the last couple of days. It's got down to
a nice minus twenty degrees yesterday.

Speaker 11 (30:00):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
Yeah, hopefully hopefully I've been in said in a few
days to soak up some sun. Should Yeah, it should
be a little bit nicer than didan where I'm at
right now.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Brilliant stuff, Boxy, Thanks for taking taking the call this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Exciting.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
We know who you're playing next year now, look forward
to catching up when you're down here with the All
Whites in March.

Speaker 9 (30:18):
Just funny, always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Now, it was a pleasure talking to you too, Michael.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Michael boxall there, who is said to be a huge
part of the All Whites squad for the World Cup
next year based in the United States, knows all about
the conditions that sort of thing, but also just an
absolute lynch pin of this team. He's he debuted for
the All Whites Michael Boxlan twenty twelve, so a couple
of years after they last went to a World Cup,

(30:42):
and has been through unsuccessful qualifications for twenty fourteen, for
twenty eighteen and for twenty twenty two. He has been
an absolutely brilliant servant to football in this country and
it's just a fitting way I think for him to
probably bring the curtain down on his international career. He'll
be thirty seven thirty eight even by the time the
tournament rolls around, but is hugely, hugely experienced and keeps

(31:07):
himself so fit, still running around like a like a youngster.
Michael box were great to have him. Heaps of feedback
on text.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
I would like to.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Actually chat to somebody about this. If you've got any
views at all, there is a line there for you
to jump on. We'll pivot across the cricket after one o'clock.
But if you do have any thoughts on this, maybe
maybe a cursory perhaps some warning about these sides. As
I say, you look at them and you think, okay, well,
they're not superpowers. It's not as though we have to

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play Brazil, Argentina and Spain, which was never going to
be the case.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Anyway, But.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Are we in a situation now where we can start
thinking about history being made at this tournament next year?
Jason says this text from me. The two key All
Whites for me, Libby Cacaci and Francis Dvrees, especially in
beating Egypt. Those who can nullify Mohammed Salah is of
course Mosallah, the Liverpool star plays for Egypt. If they

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can nullify Salar but also exploit his inability to track
back and defend that left hand side.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Then we could be in.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's not the scoring of goals so much as the
ability to stop others from scoring against them.

Speaker 10 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Look, I know that for a fact that the All
Whites technical staff, the football department if you like, will
be already starting to gather information data on these three sides,
in particular on Iran and Egypt. Those are the two
games that they'll absolutely be targeting when the World Cup
rolls around next year. Eighteen away from one, we're back

(32:40):
with more after this.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
The Big Issues on and After Field Call eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekends forward with Jason.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Paine and GJ.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talks, there'd be.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
A caught it to one back to the football on
a sec. But as they often saying, cricket one brings too.
Is that what they say? One brings two? You get
a wicket and then you get another one. That's what's
happened in christ Church. After securing a Shay Hope for
one hundhundred and forty, Tevin im Lark has been caught
in front by Zach Foxs LBW for four. So the
Western these two hundred and eighty five for six now

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just the four wickets needed for New Zealand to claim
victory in christ Church. So yeah, good to get a
couple of wickets while we're on the air. Not that
we're claiming responsibility, of course, nothing to do with us.

Speaker 12 (33:25):
Hello Andrew, Hey, Piny, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Very good mate, very good?

Speaker 12 (33:30):
Good?

Speaker 7 (33:30):
Hey.

Speaker 12 (33:31):
I mean I go up and watch the draw this
morning for the Football Cup. I think this is as
good a group that we could be in. I mean
the outside anning one of the hosts and from Pot one,
but I think, you know, this is as good as
we're going to get. And I mean I think I
was saying to somebody during the week if we go
to the World Cup and get a win, they'd be
be great. Now I'm thinking if we go to the

(33:51):
World Cup and get out of the group, that'll be
bloody fantastic.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Look, it's it feels more doable, doesn't it, Andrew. You know,
just just before we we talk a bit more about
the games. What about the what about the show itself?
I don think they've got the first ball out until
the seven got.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Up at six to watch ninety minutes of like a
half time show at the Super Bowl or something.

Speaker 12 (34:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm not sure if the
song is going to be a banger like the twentand
Shakira one. No, And I'm much of the audience to
do much Aboutlauren Hill either. So yeah, it was quite
quite interesting.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, it was all right.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So you look at it Belgium, Egypt, Iran, as you say, Andrew,
you know, you look at it, and really there's no group
of death as there were as there usually was with
thirty two teams, forty eight teams. The you know, the
talent gets spread out and so you know, the teams
and pots three and four, you know, tend to make
it a sort of a more equalized draw.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
It just feels as though the results are there for
New Zealand. You know, Iran Egypt, they're both in the
sort of twenties and thirties in the world on a
given day.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Would have to be a chance, wouldn't we.

Speaker 12 (34:56):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I mean, like someone like Iran,
I mean, I don't think they're going to be supported
by the US match probably, I mean, you know, so
like that might be a bit of a home game
for US. And then I think the other as well,
that which now favor. Is this your way for playoff?
I mean the fact that those six teams are all
in POP four that's helped us as well a lot.
I had whod rooms they were going to change it up,
but I'm glad they didn't.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's look, it's now that we
know who we're playing. I think that's a that's obviously
a major milestone, right we know who we've got we
can and like I say, the eastern sorry western side
of the United States and Canada is is probably you know,
quite friendly for a number of reasons. Are you have
you got money saved?

Speaker 7 (35:35):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
You're hopping on a plane.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
I wish.

Speaker 12 (35:38):
I wish I could, and I'm sure my sister in
Rod some would wish we could as well, because he's mad,
mad king, But probably not at the moment. But you know,
there's always a lot of tonight, Isn't there there?

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Andrew?

Speaker 7 (35:48):
There is?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
That's the spirit.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
There's always a way. God on you hate. Thanks for
calling in and having a chat. We'll obviously talk more
as the tournament draws closer. Derek, I was hoping you'd
call because you're a regular caller on football matters.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
So what's your assessment of group G.

Speaker 13 (36:03):
Look, I think that that guy that teachts you about
I don't know what this narrative is. All of a sudden,
the season in England starts and suddenly most sale doesn't
know how to defend. That's the schepest thing I've ever heard.
Who's the defender that's been behind him in the last
seven or eight years, Trent Alexander Arnold. He'll be a
giant of the defensive structure. Yeah, don't worry about Mo.
He won't play in that same role for Egypt. He'll

(36:24):
play more of a number ten role. They'll play center forward,
they'll play another winger and Mowell play a drifting number
ten role where the team will be about given Moa
the ball in the last third of the field so
he can run at defenders and create chances. Yeah yeah,
how he does that cross for the outside of his
left foight and defense things. That's what he'll we do
and he'll he'll have a little defensive responsibility as possible.

(36:45):
Doesn't mean he can't get back to defend. He's the
fittest player at the Liverpool club. He has been for
the last seven or eight years. I read reports on it.
He's the fittest player they've had there. But I think
New Zealand to win. Look, I would have liked us
to have drawn Argentina because you know we would have
been playing against the world champions and the greatest player
of all time. What experience that would have. But look

(37:07):
there's games there they can win. I mean, I run,
We've got to have our best team out for a run.
He had a text before about liberty to cars and
Chris Wood. Look for me, it's all about think as
return to form this year, his confidence levels. I mean
against Australia, we set up two fantastic chances that we
didn't take. Advantage of going forward, shooting, taking free checks.

(37:29):
This is the guy for me or be the key
because he's a number ten. He creates chances. And if
I look at the team in eighty two and I
look at the teams in twenty ten, we've always lacked
that creative dynament field. Someone can pick the ball up,
we can give him the ball and he can create
chances for everyone around him. He can take free checks,
he can score goals, he can beat a man with
a shuffle. I mean, this guy for me is going

(37:51):
to be the key, and he's just coming back in
the fitness and form at the right time for me.
So I think that when it comes to a game
that we're going to targets as a country over there,
I think we've got a target run. I think we
can beat them. I think that they'll be technically good,
but I think defensively they'll be as strong as us,
and I think that's what we can get hold of them.
I mean, obviously, Chris Wood is a striker who finishes

(38:14):
chances off. I mean the last season obviously got twenty goals,
but he had two fantastic wingers on either side, and
he had a great number ten, and I think that's
where we have to set up Chris Wood to finish
off our chances. Will we be defensively structured, you know,
structurally sound. Have a look at twenty ten. Ricky Herbert
put together a team there and a team plan that
everybody brought into the players. We had three great center

(38:35):
backs and we had a goalkeyper who was tremendous at
saving shots from distance and Mark Passon, and I think
what we did was we restricted any shots in any
danger in those sorts of areas. I think what we've
got to do is be have a water type back
for and I'm assuming we're going to have a back
four because they've got two good fullbacks, and then we'll
go on from there. But once again, I go back
to what I started. I think we could target run.

(38:57):
I've got a great feeling about Iran. I think we
could beat them. And also I had a look at
Separate seeing the way he's been playing in some really
good fixtures recently against good teams like Ecuador. He's really
looked the business and I think he can do the
job for us. But you know, I look around these groups.
I don't like the fact that the tournaments in a
non footballing country, you know, where football is not the

(39:19):
national game in America. I don't like that, and you're right,
I agree with you. It's too inflated for me. I'd
like to get it. It's a little bit too wide.
But having said all that, because there's a chance to
finally win our first game, and I think it's going
to be I think the game and goes so Iran
is going to be tremendous. The game against the play
against most Sella is going to be a joy for
a lot of players. Belgium, Ah, they've got some fantastic players,

(39:42):
but I just feel their key players like Kevin Debroader
just the shape past their best. Still great players. They'll
still shine for a little while, but maybe not over
the full ninety minutes. Maybe for you know, sixteen minutes,
and they'll be taken off. They've obviously got more depth
than we have. But look, there's a lot of positive
things about this group. Piney and I'm feeling in a
good movie because the mom awaited about part stadium. I'm
getting picked up at three o'clock and I'm going to

(40:03):
be going to going to the dub matchwok up my
season ticket ready and look as exciding times of football.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Ah, good stuff, A great summary from yours, always great
summary mate.

Speaker 7 (40:12):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Indeed, look, by the time we played Belgium we might
already be confirmed. You know, Belgium in the last game.
You'd hate to arrive at that game and thinking okay,
we need to result here to go through. Look, I'm
being very rose tintity. Look I know for a fact
that if there are radio shows talking football at the
moment in Egypt and Iran, which they probably are, they'll

(40:34):
be looking at at New Zealand as a laydown three points.
They won't even be thinking about it. The surprise element
you see seven to one news stalks.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
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Speaker 8 (40:48):
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Speaker 3 (40:50):
Us Talks EDB four to one.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
We're going to circle back to football after two with
the derby this afternoon derby two of the season, derby
five point zho. They're calling it the fifth a League
men's derby between Auckland f C and the Wellington Phoenix.
All four previous derby's won by Auckland f C. Of course,
can the Phoenix turn the tide this afternoon. Their coach
Jian Callow, aaliana going to pop in the studio. Steve Coricker,

(41:12):
head coach of Auckland FC, is also on the show
after one though Richard Petree a group of players. He's
one of a group of players expressing concern about n
Z twenty.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after fields.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
It's all on.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
WI jens Ford with Jason Tide on your home of.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Sport News Talk MB well No.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Seven.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Welcome back into the show. This is weekend Sport on
News TALKSB. I'm Jason Pine.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
Good to have you with us.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
We're chatting sport till three. We'll look at the Derby
after two. Auckland f C Wellington Phoenix from five o'clock
this afternoon, both coaches with us. Just updating a bit
of live sport for you before we move on at
the Australian opens the golf.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Obviously five keyws have made the cut.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Ryan Fox and Daniel Hilly are both six under the card,
just three shots off the lead at off. Soon Dan
Hilly is under weighing around ten minutes or so. Ten
minutes after that, Ryan Fox will go. They're tied for seventh.
Nick vok Is even parts round through nine holes, he's
won under for the tournament. Tyler Hodge won over through
six is also one under for the tournament. Kerry mount
Castle won over through thirteen holes one over for the tournament.

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Those are the kiwis involved and as you heard in
our sports news, they've gone to lunch at Hagleyoval in
christ Church. With the West Indies two hundred and ninety
five for six in their second innings, they need a
further two hundred and thirty six runs, which seems unlikely
to win the Test match. New Zealand need a further
four wickets to take a one zero lead in the
three match Series one eight. The stoush has intensified between

(42:44):
those pushing for a revamped n Z twenty short format
cricket competition and a consortium in support of New Zealand cricket.
Further weighing up their options, an open letter signed by
fifteen former national representatives has questioned several aspects of the
NZ twenty proposal. NZ twenty backers have responded to that
virus statement, saying they have engaged transparent manner with New

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Zealand Cricket, which has appointed two board members to sit
on their committee and that cooperation will be sought throughout
the process. One of the signatories to the open letter,
which was published on Thursday is former international Richard Petrie,
who joins US now. Richard, why are you opposed to
n Z twenty.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
Yeah? Hi, Jason. Yeah, there's a number of people who
are opposed to it. We're not opposed to T twenty
competition per se. What we're opposed to is a private
organization coming in taking over that January window for profit

(43:47):
making reasons basically, and really putting New Zealand Cricket in turmoil.
I don't know if people realize how much turmoil the
game is in. At national level. The board is split.
I think there was released a letter from Hadley and
Stedden and Bach and Murdoch to the board asking them

(44:09):
to you know, they're severely worried about what's going on
at that level. There are two sides. It's not as
friendly as as maybe the MS twenty people are making out.
It's and really it's a battle for control of the game.
I think that's the best way to sum it up,
and I can sort of explain why if if.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
You want to know, I do want to know.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But before we get into that, do you think change
to our domestic T twenty game is needed?

Speaker 7 (44:41):
Possibly? And there's lots of options on the table, including
the Big Bash, which I believe is a very viable
option and a very profitable option, but one where New
Zealand Cricket maintains control of the whole situation. So there
are a number of options. I know Scott Weenix looking
at four. He's listed out four of them, and you
know he's very keen to look at all four because

(45:03):
it's really important they go down here. If they go
down the wrong path, there are some big consequences, all right.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
Well.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
New Zealand twenty.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
The head of the establishing Committee, Don McKinnon, was on
the radio with me a couple of weeks ago and
said that yes, they are one of four options being
looked at, and it's good governance from New Zealand Cricket
to be looking at all four options and that they
will cooperate with any process and be fine with the outcome.
So the letter that was sent on Thursday seemed to

(45:36):
talk about things like dealing covertly and other such language.
Can you expand on why you believe they're dealing covertly
to push their league as is written here.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Yeah, sure, my understanding. Our understanding is that you know
they've Don McKinnon and other people have done a tour
around the country and told players. There are players that
we know of who have been told keep this quiet,
keep it to yourself, we need to establish things and
don't you know, sort of don't let anything out about

(46:11):
what we're discussing. So that's our understanding of what was happening.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Okay, can I pick up on that, Ben, because on
the statement we received yesterday from m Z twenty it
said mister McKinnon has never presented to any of the
players or major associations about the NZED twenty league, save
on one occasion when m Z twenty met with the
major associations with two New Zealand Cricket directors. Any suggestion
anyone has been sworn to secrecy is false and a

(46:35):
slur on the character of those involved. So they unequivocally
refute that suggestion.

Speaker 7 (46:42):
Well, yeah, the technical terms there that there have been
tours round where players have been approached and spoken to.
I know of players who I mean, that's where I've
heard of players who are reporting that that's been the case.
They were told not to say anything.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
So, in other words, so you're refuting this statement. You're
saying that players have been approached private lee and sport.

Speaker 7 (47:09):
In groups, in groups they well, you know, they've been
approached in groups and and told to keep it to themselves.
That's that's our understanding. Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
All right, Well, I guess we're in a bit of
a bit of an impasse there and that that's your understanding.
They have refuted that, so let's move. Your open letter
was addressed to Stephen Fleming, Heath Mills, Don mckinn and
David Holme in the NZ twenty consortium. Why didn't you
send the letter direct to those that was addressed to?

Speaker 7 (47:42):
As I said, I think we're former players. We're not
we're not New Zealand Cricket. We're not any sort of
we don't have any power or authority. We've just got
a vested interest in the game that we love. We're
more fans and so we're not directly involved with these guys,
but we are very concerned about, you know, what potentially

(48:04):
can happen to the in New Zealand. Like you said,
the board is fractured. Our understanding the board is fractured.
It is split. There's there's some of them wanting to
go one way, someone wanting to go the other. And
it's it's it's not a happy it's not a happy camp.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
That's not Z twenty's fault, though, is it.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
It's not inc twenties fault. This is a What you've
got to understand is it's a power play here. If
the NZ twenty come and set up a tournament, and
they run a tournament, that's fine. They have kind of
drafted the major associations or not all of them, but
most of them to want to back this thing with.

(48:51):
You know, there's been money promised to them and so
the major associations are wanting to sort of look down
this route. The Planers Association are actively involved. The problem is,
you know, you're gonna look at one of the consequences
because because that's what it's all about. You know, let's
say a game that New Zealand Cricket has no stake in,

(49:12):
Like in every other country where there's a T twenty tournament,
like South Africa, England, Australia, the governing the national governing
body are the ones that own and run that tournament
right in this situation, what they're proposing is a T
twenty tournament where they're trying to raise a lot of
money and pay a whole lot of people out, including

(49:35):
major associations. And do you know New Zealand Cricket's stake
in this in this operation zero?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
But Richard, they do have to sign but they do
have to sign it off.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
They have the final sign off on this competition on
the way forward here in New Zealand. Whatever they decide,
they sign off. So why would New Zealand Cricket grant
end Z twenty a license if it would be to
their detriment?

Speaker 7 (50:01):
That's a very good question. Why would they? Why would
And it's done at B level so it's only the
board that can do it right now that you've got
to ask you, And that's the question of ours and
the media under why would a New Zealand national board
give away their IP their players during January, compromising their

(50:24):
national obligations to the i c C. Why would it?
Why would a national board of directors or whatever they
are vote for that? And you know it's a real thing,
it could happen, and that's the question, that's the question
you'd be asking the board, why would you do what's
in the benefit for New Zealand cricket to to compromise

(50:45):
your national, your international schedule, to put your TV rights
which are huge at risk, and those TV rights are
what runs the whole game in New Zealand. Right if
if sonny And and Sky TV don't get the game
they want, don't get the players they want, and that
you know, and that January window, there's a very real

(51:08):
risk that they would withdraw. They've paid a lot of money,
They paid a lot of money for TV rights for
the black Caps, but.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
There's no suggestion that players will be pulled out of
international cricket. There's there's no suggestion of that at all.

Speaker 7 (51:23):
There is a suggestion that all players that sign up
to this need to be available for this January window. So,
I mean, that's that's a question that needs to be clarified, right.
I listened to that Dan McCarty interview yesterday with Don McKinnon. Yeah,
there's way more questions that need to be asked to
those guys as exactly how it's going to work. But
it's not New Zeon's cricket tournament you know, why would

(51:46):
Nwzeon Cricket hand over the keys to anyone else to
go out and make money off their game.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Well, then in that case, then why would we send
two teams to the Big Bash, as is one of
the other suggestions on the table.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
Well, it's controlled by New Zeng Cricket, and Cricket maintains
control of it.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
But the Big not the Big not the Big Bash,
not the Big basin control.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
They main control. They maintain control of their own players
and the terms and conditions for how it all works.
And there's there's decent money in that, but that works.
That works.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
The reason I think that people think this is a
good idea is because the Super Smash is losing money.
There's no broadcast deal for it next year, which it
has I'm sure you know the broadcast deal with Sky
which comes into effect next summer is International Cricket. So
at the moment, there's no broadcast partner for the Super Smash,

(52:45):
which means that there's no revenue stream created by that competition. Again,
I just don't understand why you are not in favor
of investment in the game here.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
It's is it investment in the game or is it
investment in NZ twenty. When you say investments in the game,
where does the money go? It doesn't go to New
Zealand Cricket.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Well, the major associations are part of New Zealand Cricket
and as I understand it, they get a very good
chunk of the revenue generated from this competition, that proposed competition.

Speaker 7 (53:18):
They do, they do, and then what do we end
up with? If your money is coming from n Z twenty,
not from New Zealand Cricket, what do you end up with?
You know, do you end up with a cohesive New
Zealand cricket scene or do you end up with a
whole lot of minor associations, you know, independent operating independent.
New Zealand's a small nation, right, we punch above our

(53:40):
weight on the international circuit. Right, We've done really, really well.
But the only way we can do that is if
we maintain a cohesive unit where we're led from you know,
the top down, and we're well organized. We play smart,
we train smart. We shouldn't be performing the way we
do on the world stage. We're a small, reasonably poorly

(54:01):
funded country, right, we can't afford to be fractured. So,
you know, there are other options. There's the big bash option.
If it was such a great idea to run a
franchise system, then why wouldn't you zeond Cricket run it.
Why would they outsource it to someone else?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Well, you said before that every other competition in the
world has has ownership from its national association. Well, the IPL,
the IPL, the IPL doesn't, The Caribbean Premier League doesn't.
And I think that's the one that NZ twenty have
kind of looked towards as a as a bit of
a model for this proposal.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Yeah, you're right. No, I didn't say all of them.
I said the South African, the the BBL, the English
one hundred are all owned by the governing association. The
West Indian one, You're right, it's owned by some Irish billionaire,
I think, And I don't think the West Indian model
was the model to be following. If that's the model
they're following, then we're in trouble. Why so, Well, the

(55:01):
state of West Indian Cricket. I mean they can't get
their plate you know, from where they were to wear
they are now they're not a cohesive unit. They're struggling
on the world stage. They've got they can't get their
best players playing for the national team. It's difficult for them.
They've lost to some degree, they've lost control. And this

(55:21):
is what we fear is when New Zealand Cricket loses
control of the game, then New Zealand Cricket at grassroots
level but even up to the up to the international
level will not be as strong. And I just think,
you know, the game needs to be controlled by New
Zealand Cricket and this board, this board need to look

(55:44):
after New Zealand Cricket.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Well, look, you won't get an argument from me on that.
You're right.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
It's the board's responsibility to administer or other oversee the
game strategically at all levels, including at international level. But
as I said before Itchard, New Zealand Cricket have the
final sign off on what happens next to our domestic
T twenty competition. So why on earth would they grant
n Z twenty a license you know NZ twenty dom

(56:10):
mcinn and I listened to Daniel McCarty's interview yesterday and
he said, look, have they decide that where the best option,
then then we'll embrace that. If they decide we're not,
then we'll shake hands and walk away. Why would New
Zealand Cricket go down a path which would be detrimental
to them?

Speaker 7 (56:27):
Well, well, that's a question you have to ask the
board members, right. You know, from my point of view,
having having been and watched and played in the game
and being involved, it seems the craziest decision I have
ever seen, you know, in the history of you know,
since I've been around. It's unbelievable. And I know I'm

(56:47):
not the only one, and you know, I've got a
lot of contacts, but there are people on the board
who who are either you know, it's a I think
it's a very weak board at one end, that's that's
the nicest thing you could say about it. At the
other end, it's potentially compromised. So summer on that scale,

(57:08):
if that board lets this happen, you know, what's the
space it's it's a dangerous thing to do.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Again, the Board are in charge of the future direction
and strategy of New Zealand Cricket at all levels and
then they hand down that decision to the CEO and
the operational team to execute that strategy.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
So again they they.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I don't know, it's there it's their duty, their responsibility
to come up with the best outcome, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (57:40):
Yeah, it's there, Absolutely it is. And it's our duty
as former players to say to put our point and
say we think if you're thinking of going down this path,
we think it's the wrong path. I mean, they'll make
the decision. It won't be me or anyone else. But
you know, rest assured that that board is not a

(58:00):
happy board.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
All right, just back to just back to what it
could mean then, as you say we're going down this path,
as I understand that the proposal is for our top
female cricketers to be available for three weeks in December,
and our top male cricket is to be available for
pretty much the calendar month of January, you know, inside
existing agreements. And I saw it suggested that perhaps players
will be pulled out of the Test series against Australia

(58:23):
in January next year, which has never been suggested, never
been talked about. But let's say it's January. There isn't
any international cricket here in January anyway, Richard. There wasn't
last summer, there isn't this summer. So why wouldn't that
window be a good one.

Speaker 7 (58:39):
Well, if it's completely open then from a point of
view of cricket, fine, But I think there's the Fourth
Test that falls into January, and there's a Shri Lankan
tour that falls into January, isn't there?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, there is, And as I'm sure you heard Don
McKinnon say yesterday, there is no suggestion that players would
be pulled out of their test commitments in January to
play n Z twenty if in fact that is the
proposal that goes ahead.

Speaker 7 (59:06):
Yeah, well, they've been pretty light on detail. But he
also said there'd be three to four international players in
each team, didn't Hey, yep, that's what I picked up. Yep.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
He said that to me as well.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
Yeah, okay, Well where are they coming from?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Well, I guess internationally would be from the cricket playing
nations around the world. The same part types of players
that they're playing the Big Bash, that play in the
South African competition. Those sorts of players, i'd imagine would
be the ones that he's talking about.

Speaker 7 (59:33):
Well, they're playing in the Big Bash and they're playing
in South Africa.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Come on, Rich, there's more than there's a lot of
cricketers around the world.

Speaker 7 (59:41):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, three to four international players
and these teams, I mean they're a bit light on
detail because I don't think he actually means that seriously,
because you know, what we need is I think way
more detail on this because and it's just a highly
risky situation that they need to answer a lot more

(01:00:03):
questions on it. It's you know, I can tell you
now that it's a very divided there's two sides. It's
very divided. It's quite emotional. It's you know, there's a
lot going on behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Which is a shame because emotion needs to be taken
out of this. In many ways, we need to hover
above this and say what is best for the game.
I know you want what's best for the game. You
know a further a former international player and someone who's
always been deeply invested in it, Richard, you and I've
talked a lot about cricket, all in all sorts of
different ways over the time that I have known you.

(01:00:40):
And at the end of the day, the game has
to sit in the middle of this conversation. It can't
be hijacked by emotion and hyperbole.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
I agree, it's got to be the best decision for
the game. And that's what the letter from Hadley and
Sneden and Murdoch and Stephen Boch were saying is listen, guys,
you've got to put cricket first and you've got to
sort this out. One of their comments was you've got
to play the play the play the ball, not the man.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Again, that's that's removing emotion, isn't it. That's another way
of saying, let's remove the emotion from this. Let's look
at the options on the table and let's work out
what is best going forward.

Speaker 7 (01:01:19):
Absolutely absolutely, it's what work out what's best going forward.
And I guess what I'm saying is, or what we're
saying is, you know, you've got to have New Zealand
Cricket in control of New Zealand Cricket. Once you once
you vote to give away power and put your revenue
streams at risk, you're putting yourself in a weak position

(01:01:43):
and it's very hard to get it back. So you know,
New Zealand Cricket needs to be running New Zealand Cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
All right, we are going to disagree obviously on a
couple of points here. One final thing I wanted to
ask you, you accept this as not a rebel.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
League, right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
It depends on how you define it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
How do you define it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
I would say a rebel league as where outsiders come
in and look to take over a situation using all
sorts of means possible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
And also I think I think the suggestion is that
it would run alongside an existing league, which there's no
suggestion that this would. I like the the ic L,
I think, which ran alongside the I p L. Ic
L was a rebel league, which which wasn't sanctioned any
competition that's run here in New Zealand. As I say,
it's going to be sanctioned by New Zealand Cricket. This
is not a rebel league, that's right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
No, No, you're right on that basis. You know it
would be if it was sanctioned by by the Board
of New Zealand Cricket. I mean the question is the
Board of New Zealand Cricket. You know that's an interesting one.
That's an interesting group, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Richard always enjoyed chatting. Thanks for being so frank and
joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
No problem, Thanks Jason, Thanks Richard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Richard Petrie joining us. There a lot to unpack there
a lot to un pack. My overwriting feeling on this
is that the game of cricket is being forgotten in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
The emotion of this, the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Personality conflicts of this, the slinging back and forth. I
read the open letter signed by Richard Petree and others
on Thursday, and I thought that was high on emotion
more so than substance. That's why I wanted to get
him on the show and ask him about a couple
of things. I thought he put his point across, and

(01:03:43):
I don't agree with him, and I'm not sure that
we all have to agree. I think n ZED twenty
would be the shot in the arm that the game
needs here in New Zealand, in its shortest format. I
think again, it's just a proposal, and moving forward, it
would mean that our top female players would play in

(01:04:03):
instead twenty the women's competition into December, and our top
men's players, all of them, all of our top black Caps,
would play a n Z twenty the men's competition in
January every year. That is my understanding of it. Look,
there's no international men's cricket in January anyway, not this year,
not last year. And there's no international women's cricket in December.

(01:04:28):
Why can't it be carved out that little window, well,
not at a window, that window in the heart of summer.
So we have international cricket for the men before Christmas,
as we have right now, and then we revert back
to that mid February and into March and April like
we used to. Teams have been coming to New Zealand
and February and March.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Forever. But the big, the big point to remember here,
the main point to remember.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Is that whatever is decided, it will be decided with
New Zealand Crickets sign off. N Z twenty can't just
come in and start up. That is not the way
these things work. They need to work in a collaborative
way with New Zealand Cricket. As to all of if
anybody else had an idea, the big bash idea, you know,

(01:05:24):
a way to supersize the current super smash, any idea
needs to be collaborative and New Zealand Cricket needs to
look at all the options on the table and say, right,
that is the one for us, that's the one we're
taking forward. Look, it's not n Z twenty's job to
decide for New Zealand cricket. What the best way forward is.
They're not going to look at the other options and
say why quite like that? All that one's okay. They're

(01:05:45):
going to say, look, this is what we think we've
got together, and here is what we think would really
benefit the game. Here the T twenty game, a franchise
competition with three maybe four imports per team, six teams
based loosely on the major associations, playing in December for
the women, January for the men, and holiday high spots

(01:06:06):
around the place, selling it to a broadcaster, having foreign investment,
and for some reason that has become in some ways
a negative thing when narrative has been thrown around about this,
but foreign investors, there is so much money in Indian cricket.
There are Indian individuals who would invest in the league

(01:06:30):
and in the teams here in New Zealand, so they
would invest and bring in players. Look, the argument I've
seen is that there are a lot of players playing
in the Big Bash and the South African competition at
the same time. If an owner of one of these
teams wanted to go and get a high profile person
and they were willing to pay for it, so be

(01:06:51):
it that money doesn't come out of New Zealand Cricket,
it comes out of the pocket of the owner. Do
not underestimate how much money there is an Indian cricket
and how much ambition there is for ownership of teams. Again,
I take it back, anything that happens here has to
be signed off and sanctioned by New Zealand Cricket. And

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Speaker 14 (01:08:39):
I think the key thing in my mind is New
Zealand Cricket having control over the competition because the way
it's proposed at the moment, it appears once if they
sign off and give them a license, then that's it
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
They lose control of the t of the T twenty game.

Speaker 14 (01:09:03):
Here grant yes, yeah, yeah, and then you know the
T twenty people can change the schedule all around.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
No no, no, no Grant, no no no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
They are basically what they would sign off on is
an agreed plan between the two between those who are
running in Z twenty and New Zealand Cricket. They would
if New Zealand Cricket decide that this is the way forward,
then they would give that the tick and then the
two parties would sit down and say, okay, here is
the framework within which we will operate and inn Z twenty,

(01:09:35):
let's say it is them if we take this down
that path, would agree to a set of terms, in
particular around time frames, access to players, availability, that sort
of thing. Both parties would agree to that, they'd sign
it and away we'd go.

Speaker 14 (01:09:50):
Well, I would certainly want that. You know, a lot
of King's Councils on New Zealand Cricket side going over
agreements to make sure that's right, because there are all
sort of subtle ways of you know we I mean,
the thing is, these people are in it for property

(01:10:11):
and not the best interest in New Genera cricket. They're
they're in it for profit and the you know the thing.

Speaker 7 (01:10:17):
Oh well you know this player.

Speaker 14 (01:10:20):
These players can't be available for test cricket at the
moment because they're injured. Using cricket. Might say, well, can
we have our New Zealand cricket doctor look at them? No,
we have our doctor. He sees they're injured. The end
of story.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
But but they that would operate outside in a different window.
You say that that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I don't know why the two things can both be
to Grant, why can't this and the best interest of
New Zealand cricket be the same thing?

Speaker 14 (01:10:48):
Uh, we're where there's private enterprise involved, sometimes there is corruption.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Okay, well, well, Grant, I think we're we're getting into
a very dangerous area there where there's private investment involved,
there is also resource. Look at Auckland f C. Auckland
f C the football team. I know you're a huge
football fan, but you I'm sure I have seen the
rise of Auckland f C under foreign investment from Bill Foley.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Why does it have to be a bad thing?

Speaker 14 (01:11:27):
Foreign invest investment per se is not bad thing. But
every I in every T needs to be dotted because
certainly you don't take anyone's word for anything, and I
would think I would wonder if the board members that
is like a fifty to fifty split. Roughly, it seems
to be who are you know, very in favor of this.

(01:11:52):
Do they have a cricketing background, those board members or
are they business people?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Well Richard. When Richard said the board was split, I didn't.
I mean, that's the first I've heard of that. And
also so I've got no idea if there is a split,
and down which lines it is if there is one.
But the board has brought together, the board of any
you know, organization has brought together from a variety of backgrounds,

(01:12:16):
and their job is to strategize the best way forward
for their organization. That's the board's job. It felt to
me as though Richard doesn't believe that the current board
you know, has the capability to do that, and again
that that's probably a discussion to be have with the
board rather the be it than to be had with
New Zealand with m Z twenty who have come to

(01:12:37):
New Zealand cricket with an idea and said, hey what
about this? This is this is something we think could work.
That's what they've done.

Speaker 14 (01:12:49):
He used, you know, for legal reasons, he used the word,
some of these board members could be compromised.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
I think we know in what way though, and what
and what possible way could they be compromised? How could
they be compromised? You know, I think we need to
we need to get away from this idea that the
game is somehow being taken away from us. The people
involved in NZ twenty are very proud New Zealand Cricket identities.

(01:13:20):
Stephen Fleming. Is Stephen Fleming really going to do anything
that is going to be to the detriment of the
game of cricket here in New Zealand? Is he really
going to go down a path which is going to
have a detrimental effect on the game here?

Speaker 11 (01:13:40):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Don McKinnon is one of the most respected sports administrators
in this country. Would he lend his name to something
that would turn into a dumpster fire? Eighteen away from two?
Thanks for your call, Grand always good to chat to you.
We'll take a break come back with our Australian correspondent
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Hello mate, Piey, how are very good things? Lots to
get through with you? Can we start with the cricket?
The second Nash's Test has already lasted longer than the
first one. We're into day three today, England three thirty four,
Australia three seventy eight for six.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
It stumps on day two. How do you assist the
first couple of days.

Speaker 15 (01:14:33):
Even up until point and I think that point came
probably last hour of the second session, and then it
started to tip in Australia's favor. England tried to drag
it back, but man, it's beautifully set up. Today we've
got in Brisbane. I'm in Brisbane. Actually I'm actually in
the gym as I speak, because last night we're staying
in Fortitude Valley and any of your listeners, no Fortitude

(01:14:56):
Valley in Brisbane. It's a place where the next day
you need to go to the gym, if you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Love Ith.

Speaker 15 (01:15:03):
Yeah, the outside is stinking hot thirty five degrees, but
we're going to cop a storm a bit later on,
so that could that could throw a few a few
houstones from the from the heavens, but a bit. Australia
are just ahead. A lot of good judges think that
they're actually with a good bit of weather, it could
be done today that England will fold. I'm not quite

(01:15:24):
of that opinion, but.

Speaker 13 (01:15:25):
Yeah, Australia.

Speaker 15 (01:15:26):
Australia going okay in England there to lift and find
something because at the moment they're bowling looks a little pedestrian.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
The big selection question around this, or the big selection
discussion point, was Nathan Lyon dropped out of the side.
He plays every teast pretty much on a dirty green
sema to a dust bowl in the you know, up
and up in India. How big a shock was it
with Nathan Lyon being left out of the eleven.

Speaker 7 (01:15:50):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 15 (01:15:51):
It was big and it was you can understand if
it was Pat Tummins coming back into the team, but
it was for Michael Meisa who they went. They went
the same option.

Speaker 7 (01:15:59):
They just looked deaf.

Speaker 15 (01:16:01):
They looked at the conditions with the pink ball and thought, yeah,
Nathan's not going to really have a full effect here.
I look, if they win the Test match, they can
turn around and go well yeah, any problem with that.
But yeah, I'm a little uncomfortable with this one. Look
he got dropped in the West Indies with when they
looked at the deck and went, well, this Test is
going to go two days and so it proved with
the West Indies were just horrible. But this one was

(01:16:23):
a massive shock and George Bailey, the Chiefs selector, has
said that Nathan's definitely back in for Adelaide. But yeah,
it's just it was a weird one left field, but
at the moment it seems to be just about working.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Yeah, I guess you can justify it with a result.
How did he take his omission?

Speaker 15 (01:16:40):
Nathan Lyne, he's cooking, Yeah, absolutely cooking.

Speaker 13 (01:16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:16:44):
I saw him briefly yesterday and he goes, yeah he
was over it by day two or not totally over it,
but yeah, you know he's running the gloves yesterday and
everything like that. But I said, oh, was there a
thought that you go and play Sheffield Shield which started yesterday?
And he lifted up his trousers and he had this
massive bruise.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
On his shin because he went to the.

Speaker 15 (01:17:04):
After he got dropped, he went in bold. It was
when Kuwajar and bow Webster who also missed out on
selection and apparently bo Webs that cracked this straight drive
and it went straight into Nathan Shin. So it just
stopped off a wonderful day for the lad. Anyway, he's
a good guy. He'll bounce back and everyone will support
him when he plays in Adelaide.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Alamata's around Today, the FIFA World Cup draw has been made.
The soccer US grouped with the United States, Paraguay and
a European playoff winner one of Slovakia, Kosovo, Turkey or Romania.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
That looks all right to me. How do you evaluate
your ability to get out of that group?

Speaker 15 (01:17:37):
Yeah, it's a possibility. I think it's a pretty even
group really, US. We don't know how they'll perform in
front of home crowd. Paraguy will have support, but they're
not the biggest South American nation. There'll be difficult to beat.
From my memory of Paraguay, they're always hard to break down.
And that European nation where you can get anything there.
Turkey will be a good side. Turkey sometimes can not

(01:17:58):
live up to the hype of what their collective could
potentially bring.

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
But yeah, I like the draw we go.

Speaker 15 (01:18:06):
Importantly for me, finance all about geography and place is
going to visit. I'm looking forward to Vancouver, Seattle and
San Francisco. How did the all whites fare in terms
of not just all but venues well?

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Venue similar Vancouver, Seattle and Los Angeles for us, So look,
you and I may well bump into it another of
four things go well in sort of June.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
And July of next year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I've also had it pointed out to me that if
we are runner up in our group, and look, this
is drawing a long bow because we've got Belgium, Egypt
and Egypt and Iran and your runner up in your group,
then New Zealand would play Australia in the round of
thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
No way, yeah, yeah, how good?

Speaker 12 (01:18:46):
Do you know where?

Speaker 7 (01:18:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I'm sure I should have checked where, but no, I
don't know where. But I mean it's not beyond the realms,
so possible. I think, you know, you guys, finishing runners
up in that group is well and truly on the table.
We'd probably need to do a bit of work, but
I ran and Egypt, you know there are games that
we had the All Whites coach there and basically on
last hour and he said, yeah, well, you know, we
know they're going to be tough, but we are going
to try and win those games.

Speaker 15 (01:19:08):
That's not Yeah, that's not a horrible drawer either, No, no, yeah,
I think that's what you get with the forty eight.
You get a bit of hope about your group because
you know, I think if Graham Arnold gets through with
a ruck, he's got an absolute shot up with his
group France, Senegal and one other three handy nations, that's

(01:19:30):
about as bad as it gets. So yeah, Pop four
teams are kind of less vulnerable, but I don't think
so many of them will look at it and go, yeah, well,
what's the point of even showing up. It's really spread
it a bit.

Speaker 7 (01:19:43):
Sin.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
The other team in that group is Norway with Earling Arland.
You go there, Arnie, exactly brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
And speaking of World Cups and draws for World Cups,
there was a Rugby World Cup draw this week and
the Wallabies and the All Blacks are in the same
Paul at a World Cup for the first time. Surely
that's the opening game of the tournament.

Speaker 15 (01:20:06):
Imagined, so, but it's it's the World Rugby, so you
don't know what they cake in the world. Sometimes, yeah,
you'd imagine that Stadium Australia or Home Bush in Sydney
becomes the opening game there where of course do we
mention two thousand and three were happily?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I think, actually it's going to be in Perth. Well
I don't know whether that's good or not, but yeah, no,
the opening game of the Rugby World Cups and Perth.
Why well, all I'm giving you is the information. I
can't give you an explanation.

Speaker 15 (01:20:41):
Yeah, maybe that's European cver your audience and had a
bit of power over that. But if it's a stratoners anyway,
whatever played on the Moon will probably watch. But yeah,
interesting draw. Not a great one for the Wallabies. Of course,
they seriously need to lift in the next eighteen months
that they're going to even think about getting past a

(01:21:03):
quarter final there at the World Cup. But yeah, how
was it received over there? Was it like New Beauty
who got to try?

Speaker 7 (01:21:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Well, I think what the bigger conversation was what happens
if New Zealand win the group which is obviously a
possibility beat Australia in the other two minnots and you
finished top. That puts us on a collision course with
South Africa in the quarter finals. Would you believe Wow? Yeah, yeah,
not great, So we might throw that game. We might
throw that game against the Wallabas.

Speaker 7 (01:21:30):
Yeah, who knows exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Good stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
All right, make good to talk to you a Derby
this afternoon, New Zealand Derby, Auckland c Wellingston, Phoenix. You
have any faith in the Knicks to finally get something
out of one of these?

Speaker 15 (01:21:44):
Not so sure. I mean I think Auckland. Auckland will
be filthy about what they came up with against Newcastle
last week. I thought the Jets are really good. Actually
I can't work out how that game went on past
seventy five minutes, but that's by the bye. I think
it's more to the point that Auckland will find a
way to bounce back that that wasn't then last week.

(01:22:04):
I don't reckon so the mixt I'll go. I'll go
soon that one, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Nice one mate, Always good to chat. Enjoy Brisbane. Adam
Peacock are Australian correspondent six and a half to two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails. Weekend
Sport with Jason Vine, News Talk zen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
B three to two.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
After News at two, we focusing on the Derby. Head
coaches of Auckland FC, Steve Corica and Wellington Phoenix gian
Carlo Eteliano both join us after two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
The only plays for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vin on your home of Sport
News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Zed B two o seven. Welcome in or welcome back,
as the case may be. This is Weekend Sport until
three toime. Beverage takes the mic after three o'clock for
the Saturday edition of the Weekend Collective before.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
We hand it over Football Darby.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Second of the season, fifth in history Auckland f C
Wellington Phoenix that already has become pretty compulsory viewing and
one of the biggest domestic sporting contests in New Zealand.
Going to talk to both coaches. Head coach of Auckland FC,
Steve Corriker first up and then head coach of Wellington
Phoenix Younkeloi Taliano on the show also this hour. Sad

(01:23:31):
news in the cricketing world this week the passing of
former England batsman Robin Smith at the age of just
sixty two. What a player, by the way, what a player.
I remember him being here in the early nineties and
just flaying us to all parts of what was Lancaster Park.
Then in a One Day International ahead of the nineteen
ninety two Cricket World Cup, man he could play. Former

(01:23:52):
New Zealand opener Brian Young established a strong friendship with
Robin Smith. He's going to join us to pay tribute
and we'll play a sporting chance. Your opportunity to place
a one hundred and fifty dollars bonus bet from the
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Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
We'll do that before three o'clock as well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Keep you up to date with a cricket being played
at the moment at Hagley three nineteen for six the
West Indies. New Zealand still need those four wickets the
West Indies.

Speaker 7 (01:24:19):
What do I need?

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Two hundred and fourteen, two hundred and twelve to twelve
to one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
So I guess all three results are still theoretically on
the table at the Australian Golf Open as well. We'll
keep eyes on that and in particular the Keiwez, Daniel
Hillier and Ryan Fox started to day six under. Hillyo
is through two holes even par Ryan Fox has dropped
a shot through two holes, is down.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
To five under. The leaders are underway as well or
the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
The two leaders are Rasmus near Guard Peterson the Norwegian
and Daniel Rodriguez from Portugal, both at nine under. Both
have pared their opening holes, so we'll keep.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
You up to date with that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
But as we tick towards nine past two, as we
always do at around about this time on weekend sport,
it's time to get you up to date with some
of the stuff that you may well have missed over
the last little while of sporting action in the last
little while, in case you missed it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
And there's that music.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
There it is.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Oh, I don't want to start without it. There it is,
and here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
The Adelaie thirty sixers have continued their hot streak in
the Australian Basketball League a convincing win over Brisbane last
night to stay second on the ladder.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
But it's a big win for the Adelaide thirty six
as they win five games.

Speaker 16 (01:25:32):
In a row for the first time in eight years,
and they do it to the tube a twenty five
points full time in Adelaide, it's for thirty six is
nineties Brisbane sixty five.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Staying on that side of the Tasman Perth Glory have
won their third straight A League football match to leap
to fourth on the ladder. I won neil victory over
Western Sydney in Western Australia.

Speaker 17 (01:25:54):
Ball continues to slide through the penalty area. Kacharski and
sat Desmotowski. What for his glory, young stuff? What is
Test seven? He is off aginning league.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
To the Ashes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Australia have a forty four run lead after day two
of the second Test at the Gabber.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
They are three hundred and seventy eight for six.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Opener Jake weather All scoring has made in Test fifty
in just his second Test match.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Click away fifty for take weather All and what a
time to do it as well. We'll enjoy that. Take
a deep breath, raise the fat.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Australia were two ninety one for three at one stage,
but while every batsman has scored double figures, weather All
seventy two, the top score in the inning so far.
Day three underway at five o'clock and as mentioned, Ryan
Fox and Daniel Hilly are leading the Kiwi charge at
the halfway mark of the Australian Golf Open in Melbourne.
Both tied for seventh at six under the card after
two rounds, three back from the lead.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
MeeTime.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Australian minwoo Lee provided a highlight on day two with
his second shot on the par four tenth Hule.

Speaker 11 (01:27:06):
Kenny conjure ups and magic on this back nine.

Speaker 12 (01:27:09):
Our beautiful looking shot, this one straight at it.

Speaker 11 (01:27:11):
This will be really close. You're not wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:27:19):
Now he is officially cooking Memori Lee.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
I ran off for tea and then night into the hole.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
At ten weekend sport.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
On News Talk to b.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
It is Derby Day at go Media Stadium, the second
one this season.

Speaker 18 (01:27:36):
As Derby domination continues.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
But I dare you to have imagined this.

Speaker 18 (01:27:46):
I challenge you to find fitter sporting theater then this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
It was quite the game back in round three, Auckland
FC winning at two to one, but down to nine
men after Dan Hall and Logan Rogerson were both scen off.
It is the second derby of the season this afternoon
five o'clock kickoff at Go Medius in Penrose, Auckland. Auckland
FC head coach Steve Carriker joined U. Steve, thanks for
taking the time for a chat. I want to ask

(01:28:13):
you about the way you approach these derbies. First of all,
you have always as a head coach embraced these games
and the occasions that they are. Some coaches say, oh, look,
it's just another game. They're all worth three points, it's
no different from playing and other opponents. But you always
talk about how big these derbies are for fans and
for players, and I guess the coaches as well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Why do you take that view?

Speaker 19 (01:28:37):
Well, they're all worth three points, but the derbies are
something special, I think, and you have to treat them
that way. You know, it's the first time, well second
year in a row now that there's been a Derby
in New Zealand. So and you saw the first three
were amazing, even the last one that we won with
nine men. They always bring something special and I think
Derby's are meant to be like that. The fans love them,

(01:29:02):
you know. Today obviously there's going to be a hopefully
a full house in our Go Media Stadium, which obviously
they bring the noise and bring the atmosphere and that's
what that's what football's about as well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Did you all love of these big occasions get sort
of fostered by your time as boss of Sydney FC,
when you had those those derbies against Western Sydney two
or three times a year and you embraced those occasions
as well.

Speaker 10 (01:29:27):
Yeah, definitely we do.

Speaker 19 (01:29:29):
You know, there are some amazing atmospheres as well in
the Sydney Derby even I think when I was an
assistant coach under Graham Arnold we had sixty five thoers
and I think at Anz Stadium for a domestic derby,
So you know, that's pretty special, I think, you know,
and you can just feel the passion, the noise and

(01:29:52):
obviously the Kiwi Derby is going down that track. It's
obviously you know, obviously at the moment we're fort nila up.
But you know, you can't take you can't rest on
what's happened in the past. It's it's if game. Football
is a strange game. You can play your best football
and still lose.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
So you have to be right on your on the
game and your passion for these games and your attitude
towards them is clearly permeated into your players as well.
The way they've talked about these games during the week,
Do you have to step in any way control their
emotions and weeks like this and going into games like these,
you definitely.

Speaker 19 (01:30:31):
Can tell when it's Derby week. You know, they get
very excited. Obviously they know it's coming. Trying not to
treat every game on his laurels and that Derby's obviously
something different, and I think that's the way we try
and treat them. You know, it's sometimes you have to
calm them down a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:30:50):
You don't want to.

Speaker 19 (01:30:51):
Overplay the game too much in your head during the week.
You want to stay obviously just focused. And during the
week we try and keep it must the same to
make sure that you know, they do continue doing what
they do normally in games, but then when you get
to match day, you know it's different. So, yeah, it's

(01:31:12):
been working for us, and hopefully we continue to keep winning.
Obviously winning is nice, never nice to lose one, but
hopefully that won't happen today.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
You come into this game off the back of a
rare defeat. Do you have to filter last week through
the fact that for the last twenty minutes or so,
the conditions were basically unplayable.

Speaker 19 (01:31:34):
There's a lot of positives out of last week. We
created a lot of chances. Probably a negative part of
that is we didn't punish them when we had the opportunity.
And then obviously the conditions were tough for both teams
come the end of the game, which they had the
lead already by then, so it's made it a little
bit more difficult for us. But I've also spoke about

(01:31:57):
you know, we're conceding. We can see the two goals
last week and they were quite sloppy goals.

Speaker 10 (01:32:02):
So it's about working hard, keeping clean sheets this week
and we see.

Speaker 7 (01:32:07):
How we go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Are you missing Hierarchi Sarkis on field leadership.

Speaker 19 (01:32:13):
Well, he doesn't talk much Hiroki, but you know he
does lead by example on the pitch, and you know,
as much as Kellen Elliots I think has done it
has done a great job for us. You know, I
think the boys know when Hiroki's not playing, so he
sort of calms the team a little bit just by
his presence and his experience. So you know, obviously we'll

(01:32:36):
have him back into the squad next week, but right
now we don't have him today, and you know, Kellen's
been doing a great job for us, so you know,
if he remains focused Kellen and he does what he's
been doing in the last couple of weeks, that's all
we can ask.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Was there any temptation to try and have Hiroki involved
in this one today?

Speaker 10 (01:32:54):
No, none at all.

Speaker 19 (01:32:55):
I think we you know, we knew six weeks ago
this is the game he's going to come back. Hamstrings
are quite quite tough if you try and force them back.
You know, even a couple of days earlier, a week early,
you know you could be facing another six to twelve
weeks out.

Speaker 10 (01:33:11):
So we didn't want to risk that.

Speaker 19 (01:33:13):
Obviously, Darby's are important, but I think it's important that
we get Hierarchie back fully fit and continues for the
rest of the season as much as, you know, as
as quickly as possible after today.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
What about Gijiomo Mai. We saw him this last week.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
He'd played the first five games of the season, but
it felt as though looked as though, and you'll be
able to confirm this, that he was he wasn't one
hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
He picked up another knock. I know last week.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
What's his likely contribution this afternoon going to be he's
in the mesh day squad presumably.

Speaker 19 (01:33:43):
Yeah, he sees back in. He's trained the last couple
of the last three days.

Speaker 7 (01:33:47):
So yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:33:49):
Listen, he had an operation on his knee in pre season.

Speaker 19 (01:33:55):
You know, obviously desperate to get back for the start
of the season, so you know he was back for that,
not fully fit as well.

Speaker 10 (01:34:02):
Once he did come back.

Speaker 19 (01:34:04):
Physically, it's taken him a little bit of time and
obviously still feeling a little bit of that knees it
will swollen.

Speaker 10 (01:34:11):
He got he got it drained last week and had some.

Speaker 19 (01:34:15):
Some of the stuff, so you know, hopefully he said
it's much better this week, but you know, I think
it's gonna be ongoing for a little bit longer.

Speaker 10 (01:34:22):
So but it's good to have him back into the squad.

Speaker 19 (01:34:25):
And you know, he's a quality player and he did
so well for us last year and we just need
to get him back to what he was doing last
last season.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Both of your goals in the first derby the season
came from defeating the Phoenix. As much talked about high line,
how much of your attacking focus has has been on
that again, or do you expect to have to use
different strategies today?

Speaker 19 (01:34:49):
Well, I think, you know, definitely that plays the part
of it, because they are playing still playing the high line,
so obviously that's something we've spoken about and worked on
today and for today's game. And but there's there's obviously
other ways as well to to beat them, and you know,
we can't be just one dimensional. We have to have

(01:35:10):
other options as well, and you know we've looked at
that also, and yeah, so we'll go from there and
hopefully it all pans out nicely.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
And I know you're only worrying about today, but after
this game, five or of your next six are away
from home, and how much does your prep and approach change,
Steve in a typical week with so much travel to
be factored into it all.

Speaker 19 (01:35:35):
Yeah, you know, we've had three home games, which are
going to be great, obviously great, but then you've got
to travel. So we got three in a row and
then I think one at home and then I think
another two or three away. So it's going to be difficult,
there's no doubt about that. But I think last year
we showed we were just as good away from home.

Speaker 10 (01:35:56):
As at home, so.

Speaker 19 (01:35:59):
I'm hoping it's going to be much the same this season.
But you know, the travel does take its toll on players,
you know, physically. Obviously, we try and do the best
we can to make sure that they recover properly and
give them days off so they can freshen up. But yeah,
I'm actually looking forward to obviously having a few games

(01:36:20):
away from home as well well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Looking forward to a big occasion to go Media Stadium
this afternoon. In the first instance. Thanks for chatting to
us on match day. Steve, all the best today.

Speaker 10 (01:36:29):
Thanks, thank you, Ban, Thank you mate.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
That is Steve Coriker, head coach of Auckland FC, Head
coach of Wellington Phoenix. Jim Calo Italiana has arrived. He's
live and studio very very shortly, just updating you on
some live sport at the Australian Golf Open. Daniel Hillier
and Ryan Fox underway in their third rounds, having started
six under the card. Daniel Hillia has part of the

(01:36:51):
first three holes to remain at six under. Ryan Fox
is bogie one of the first two. He is five
under now through two holes in his third round. At
the top of the leaderboard. The two overnight leaders are
both parted the opening hole to stay at nine under.
Rasmus Neerguard Peterson and Daniel Rodriguez. And if I just
filter this through country, if you just bear with me,

(01:37:13):
I can bring you the scores of the other New
Zealanders in the field.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
There are three of them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Nick Vogue, as he's done pretty well today's one under
through fifteen holes to move to two under for the
tournament type for thirty fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Tyler Hodge is even part.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Through eleven holes, also to under also tie for thirty fourth,
and Kerry Mountcastle even path through seventeen holes in his
third rounds he is in fact even part of the
tournament as well, in a tie for fifty sixth and
at Hagley Oval. The grind goes on for New Zealand
as they look for these final four wickets the West
and these three hundred and thirty five for six. They

(01:37:47):
need one hundred and ninety six runs to win the Tests.
New Zealand need four wickets. And there are a couple
of bowlers down Matt Henry not sighted today, Nathan Smith
with a side strain. So it's folks Duffy Bracewell and
Ravendra Michael Braceball's bowling is thirty fifth over of the innings.
I haven't got the stats in front of me, but
i'd imagine that to be as many as he's bold
in any Test Inning's Michael Bracewell. He has picked up

(01:38:10):
the wicket. He picked up a wicket yesterday. Justin Greeves
has brought up one hundred hundred and sixteen not out.
Keemar Roach is there on thirty three point thirty five
for six the Western These just in terms of how
long there is to go. We're only in the second session.
Of course, still over fifty overs left for New Zealand
to pick up these four wickets today, so we'll keep
eyes on that for you. Two twenty two after this

(01:38:32):
Jihn Carlo Atelliano, Wellington Phoenix head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
It's more than just a game weekends for it. With
Jason Vine and TJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home
builder news Dogs, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Two twenty five. Corbyn just told me that we've dropped
a catch. I looked up and saw the replay. Difficult,
but they say at this level you should be taking them.
So a life for one of the West Indies Batsmen,
they still six down. You can hear commentary incidentally via
the Alternative commentary collective on iHeart. If you want to
follow along, we'd love it if you'd stay with us.

(01:39:05):
But if you want to listen to the cricket, the
acc are your go to on iHeartRadio two twenty six.
Back to the derby Aukland FC Wellington Phoenix five o'clock
this afternoon. The Phoenix bring some momentum into this one.

Speaker 18 (01:39:22):
In the Wellington Phoenix, they climbed from their recent frunt
to beat one of the competition's form sites and stringboard
themselves into next weekend's derby es.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Indeed, Wellington Phoenix boss Jian Carlo Italiana has popped into
the studio ahead of this one. Nice to see you, mate,
Thanks for taking the time. You come into today off
the back of Ireck and your best performance of the
season beating Adelaide two one a week ago at Sky Stadium.
How much confidence, how much belief, how much momentum does
that give you heading into today?

Speaker 20 (01:39:57):
I think it was important. I think I said this
yesterday in my interview post training interview that I didn't
want to go into this game. You know, with three
on the trot, losing through on the trot. I don't
think the team deserves it first and foremost because I
think that the form has been pretty good, probably maybe

(01:40:18):
one half of football against MacArthur where we went out
at our best. But yeah, I felt as though last
week was a good step in the right direction. But
again doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
I just said then, the best performance of the season.
That's through my eyes. What about yours? Do you think
it was your best performance of the season so far?

Speaker 20 (01:40:38):
Are we including friendly matches? I think just a league match, yeah,
just a league matches.

Speaker 7 (01:40:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:40:42):
I think it was the first time that we've put
more than seventy minutes of the stole together and the
way we want to play, and that's also from talking
from a defensive perspective. One thing we didn't cater for
last week and we did a little bit on the run,
was we went more to a mid block when the
subs came on because we felt the press kind of

(01:41:02):
not dropped off, but just the quality of the press
wasn't what we had for the first seventy But then
the boys adapted actually very very well.

Speaker 7 (01:41:10):
So I was very happy with.

Speaker 20 (01:41:11):
That response from the group. I maybe one or too
many changes that influence the shape, but yeah, last week
was probably the best overall.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
You pick up on a really interesting point. They're about
the changes that you make during a game, and I know,
you know you have to adapt to the match situation,
but how challenging a part of football management is that
knowing who to inject, when to inject, and also who
to take off.

Speaker 20 (01:41:39):
Yeah, I think this is probably the most crucial part
of game day coaching. I think outside of that, obviously,
what you do during the week is probably the most
important thing that influences the game overall.

Speaker 10 (01:41:50):
But in game.

Speaker 20 (01:41:51):
Management, the subs and how you change tactics in the
game is probably the second most important thing. I think
that if you look at my first year in charge,
when I took over, because I knew the playing group
and I knew the the capabilities and restrictions of all players,
it was easier to manipulate in game changes and changing
things on the run. Last year we found it more

(01:42:14):
difficult because we had a little bit more of an
inexperienced group. Even with the senior players that come in
the visas and so on, didn't understand maybe the nuances
that were required and that's also partly, well a large
part of my fault, because you know, my expectation was
probably a lot higher than what I anticipated the players
could deliver. But this year we went back to a

(01:42:37):
more structured approach of having one solid formation base and
more around the intent and the style, and then we
work off that. So now when I make a sub,
I feel as though in game changes aren't as detrimental
to the game flow and momentum. So now I'm finding

(01:42:59):
that even you know, the Brisbane game was probably the
best example. Both Luke Brooks and Corbs came on, had
a distinct role but within the system, and they came
on and fighted to execution and we ended up winning.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
So you know, but it also goes the other way
as well.

Speaker 20 (01:43:16):
I've made subs where sometimes it ruins the flow of
the game and it goes against you. But again, once
the players build more belief in the system and understanding,
then those things become easier.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Let's talk about today, how much from Derby won the
season against Auckland a month ago is useful today?

Speaker 7 (01:43:37):
Oh, I think it's.

Speaker 20 (01:43:39):
It gave us a lot of insight into how they think,
how how we prepare, how we prepare and in game
management for all scenarios, you know, So it knocked a
lot of things on the head that I think were
we're very important, you know, over these three at this
three game series. I actually thought that in the first half,

(01:44:02):
I thought Auckland would be a little bit more brave
through the with a ball through in the middle, and
I felt as though they felt that the easy out
was the ball over, you know, trying to catch the
line off they got, you know, they got very they
got very lucky with two attempts which are probably against
the run the player. One was obviouslyelf kickoff, which was
poured from up from us. But I found that quite surprising.

(01:44:24):
And then once the red card came in, obviously that
played to their strengths of defending and made it very
difficult for us. But in saying that, now we know
what to do if we're placing that scenario, and also
the other way as well, you know, like what happens
when we go to ten man, how we deal with
the emotion of leading, how we deal with the emotion
of conceding as well. So in terms of maturity, it
went a long way on progressing the group.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Do you use the magnitude of the occasion in any
way in terms of your preparation. You know, the fans
love it, we in the media love it. Do you
do you use how big an occasion it is as
part of your prep.

Speaker 20 (01:45:00):
I did that last year and a backfire. Look, I
think it really comes down to the group. I think
Derbies within themselves are separate to the league in the
sense that the Derbies are everything to die for. You know,
you're playing for prior, you're playing for the you know
who owns who owns football? Within that, you know that
Derby sphere. I think that one of the biggest eras

(01:45:26):
last season going into the Derby's were we already had
a presumption that going into the Derbies. And this is
not me, this is more than I would say some
players that you know that we were the number one team,
and that it made it a lot easier for Auckland
to go, all right, well we're going to try to
knock them off the perch. They had the incentive to
knock us off the perch. And then the way we

(01:45:46):
lost that first game was was something that I don't
think any of the group can you conceived as being possible.
And then that kind of you know, rattled us. But
I think as time progresses, you know, the players that
are that are here and the new players, you know,
they go into that game, or they'll go into today's
games as a grand final. It's more of a semi final.

Speaker 7 (01:46:08):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:46:08):
There'll be you know, a lot of a lot of
good you know, fifty to fifty challengers, and there'll be
an intensity to the game that you don't usually get
in the league match. So I don't really need to
play into that. I just need to guide them in
the right direction. If I get to animated, I know
what will happen. I think, you know, we'll have two
or three red cards after twenty minutes, because you know,

(01:46:29):
sometimes when I get a little bit intense as well,
you know, it rubs off on the player, so I
have to try and measure it. But I think the
players are fully cognizant of the fact that, okay, this
is a big game. They're up for it, you know,
and I just have to make sure I manage them well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
And someone's the last year two Derby's in the first
what seven weeks of the season or thereabouts, will any
part of you be quite pleased to get today out
of the way, leave the higher emotion of these games behind,
and I guess focus forward on. I don't want to
call them normal football matches, but other football matches any
part of your you know, just begin to get the
emotion of today data move on.

Speaker 7 (01:47:04):
I thought about this.

Speaker 20 (01:47:06):
I actually thought about this probably about a week ago,
and I think the one thing that just it not
irritates me, but it just sits in them. It doesn't
sit well with me is that we've had two derbies
now and by round seven. No normal league in the
world has two derbies after you know, eight rounds, and
a lot can be said about the team season's performance,

(01:47:29):
you know, after having two doubles.

Speaker 8 (01:47:31):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:47:32):
I think these things need to be built into you know,
like an early derby's great, you know, but if you're
playing three weeks after, you know, not not a lot
of waters under that bridge. So I think that that's
the irritating part. I mean, look, if we win today,
you know, there won't be another consideration. But I think that, yeah,
we kind of lose sight of what the actual end

(01:47:53):
goal is. But if you ask me what I want,
I want to win today and I win to win
every derby. I don't want to let Auckland win any games.
You know that goes without saying. But yeah, once we
get this game out of the way again, you know,
we've got to games at home, and you know, I
think today winning today would also put a dn in
Auckland's progression.

Speaker 10 (01:48:13):
For the season.

Speaker 20 (01:48:14):
The table's ridiculously close at the moment. Any sort of momentum,
you win two three games, you know, you go from
last to like third or fourth or whatever it is.
You know, so we need to make sure we capitalize
on those those moments.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
All right, Just before you go, I, oh, you've got
a busy day. World Cup draw this morning. I got
a bunch of players in your team, I'm sure who
have got their eyes on a place in the World
Cup squad next year Belgium, I run Egypt. Dye of
assays that as a draw for the all Whites.

Speaker 20 (01:48:42):
Speaking honestly, I think it would be disappointing now if
they don't get out of the group, because I think
that with eight teams from third place progressing through to
the round of I think it's thirty two now. I
think that finishing third minimum third in that group is
very realistic. I don't think two points will be enough.
I think they definitely need to win one game. I

(01:49:04):
think the team is very very capable of picking up
six points. Film more honest opinion. Knowing the Kiwi Boys
have come through my squad and been associated with New
Zealand football now for seven years, I think that what
gets underplayed is actual quality of our players and the
players that play abroad, and it's just finding the right

(01:49:25):
mixture of you know, combination of players and also working
to what is strong within the squad. You know, obviously
Chris Wood is a big focal point, but even if
you get players like off the bench like Costa, they
give you a different dynamics sing I'm a big fan
of Jesse Randall. I think, you know, if you put
him an oldie together, seeing you've got a very creative midfield.

(01:49:49):
I'm a big fan of obviously Staminach and I think
Rufer as well. I think I think the pairings there
and the boys have been playing there for a long time,
so I think that it's a really big opportunity for
them to you know, grind through the tournament and if
they get to round of thirty two, who knows, you know,
Like I think I mentioned to you earlier. I don't
think in any of the groups are saying a real

(01:50:11):
group of death or a group of life. I think
that the groups are evenly distributed, which is you know,
first time ever that I've seen a World Cup draw
like that. So it's a massive opportunity for New Zealand
and I think that it'd be great to see them
get into the knockout stages.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Indeed, great to see you chief, thanks for stopping it
on match day. All the best this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:50:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
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(01:54:36):
the age of just sixty two. Robin Smith played sixty
two Test matches for England between nineteen eighty eight and
nineteen ninety six, scoring four thousand, two hundred and thirty
six runs at an average of nearly forty four with
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more than two decades, he scored over twenty six thousand runs.
He also played in seventy one One Day Internationals and

(01:54:59):
was part of the England squad that reached the nineteen
ninety two World Cup final. Former New Zealand opener Brian
Young played against Smith several times and formed a friendship
with him, including a three Test series in England in
nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
Brian Young's with US.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Brian understand that before that series in England in nineteen
ninety four, Robin Smith and Martin Crowe had a wee
side bet, Is that right?

Speaker 11 (01:55:25):
Yes, Jackson in good afternoon, everybody listening in.

Speaker 8 (01:55:30):
Yes, Judge, Robin Smith and Martin Crow we're very old
mates and I got no I got to know Judge
pretty well as well.

Speaker 11 (01:55:41):
But he and Martin went back a long way.

Speaker 8 (01:55:43):
And during the ninety four tour event, as mates do,
they sort of have a bit of bit of banter
and a little bit of I'm going to score more
runs than you in the Test series, and so there
was obviously a wage you put on it, which probably
involved dinner and drinks and maybe maybe maybe a little

(01:56:04):
hundred quidal or whatever. I don't know the details, but
it was it was a personal bet between the two.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
And well, let's go to the end of the series.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
Martin Cross called three hundred and eighty runs in that series,
including one hundred and forty and the second Test at
Lord's Well. Robin Smith just the one hundred and twenty
runs across the series. So fear to say Martin won
the bet.

Speaker 8 (01:56:24):
Okay, Yes, And that's where that's where the story gets
gets really humorous, you know. And I have to say
that Judge was as a lot of the plaudits around
the around the world have have probably shown he was
an outstanding human being, just a great guy. One of
the time great guys do anything for anybody, passionate, just

(01:56:48):
a quietly spoken and just a just a lovely guy.
A brutal destroyer of bowling attacks. You wouldn't think that
he was a gentle man at all, but he really
really was. And you know, obviously our heart go our
hearts go out to his family and friends and everyone
around the globe who knew him. But and also very

(01:57:11):
humorous man as well, which was which was part of it.
And the thing that I remember the most. We were
at lords at the second Test and Martin scored an
incredible one hundred and forty literally on one leg, if
everyone might remember, he had a carbon fiber brace on
his leg and he was hobbling around and he scored

(01:57:33):
this magnificent one forty odd at Lord's which was quite
sobering for the rest of us. And poor old Judge
was horrendously out formed. Like he was, he did not
know where his next run was coming from. He was
under extreme pressure from the selectors, from the media or

(01:57:54):
what the you know, what the English are like, was,
you know, putting pressure on people who are underperforming, and
he knew that he was on He was on the
precipice of being dropped. And in the first innings we
were walking between overs and Mark was at gully and
I was at second slip. And so when you walk

(01:58:15):
in between overs, you tend to walk down the line
of the wicket and you tend to walk close to
where the batsmen are having a chat in the middle
between overs.

Speaker 11 (01:58:22):
And I remember saying, good good morning, judge, how are you?

Speaker 8 (01:58:27):
And he says in a South African accent, and I
do apologize for people listening, and he said, ah, youngie.

Speaker 21 (01:58:33):
He says, I've got this rash on the back of
my neck. My head's been on the chopping block for
so long. I've got this massive rash. And this is
a that's the sort of guy he was.

Speaker 8 (01:58:44):
He was like, here he is in the middle of
the wicket, you know, having it with Graham Gooch or
Michael Atherton or whoever it was.

Speaker 11 (01:58:53):
And I've just said, you know, get a judge, how
are you?

Speaker 8 (01:58:56):
And he's just tucking the living mickey out of himself,
trying to, I think, probably alleviate the pressure and have
a bit of a laugh because you're bat better if
you're smiling. But it didn't work, and he didn't get
very many, I don't think. And then, of course, you know,
this is a little later on. He's still struggling and
he would get a loose delivery and he'd hit it

(01:59:17):
straight to.

Speaker 11 (01:59:17):
A field when he wouldn't get the gap. And we
were warmed between the overs again.

Speaker 8 (01:59:22):
At another time, and I didn't say anything, but Martin
Crowe said, you know, keep you know, how's it going, judge,
And he motioned to his his chest and he opened
up what was like a pretend if he was wearing
a blazer or a jacket and if you can imagine
somebody imagining he's got to make believe jacket on, and

(01:59:44):
he opened up his opened up this make believe jacket,
and he said.

Speaker 11 (01:59:49):
Hey, Hogan, how would you like me to pay?

Speaker 8 (01:59:51):
It would make me to pay way visa MasterCard or
American Express. Wonderful, because yeah, it was just honestly, I
was creasing myself. So was Martin, So was so was
Robin's smouth, Judge, and it was he was basically saying,
you've scored this magnificent one hundred and forty and I

(02:00:13):
can't score a run.

Speaker 11 (02:00:14):
There's no way on winning this bed. How would you
like me to pay?

Speaker 7 (02:00:17):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
But that was the measure of the man.

Speaker 8 (02:00:22):
In the middle of a Test match where you know,
a full house at Lord's, the pressure's on, you know,
the microscoes on, all the cameras are on you, and
and a difficult situation and here he was trying to
make light of the situation.

Speaker 11 (02:00:37):
And I think that's the measure of the guy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
What a great what a great couple of stories, Brian, brilliant.
But as you say, he might have been out of
form in that particular series. But man, he could bat,
couldn't well. I remember watching him come over here for
a one day series headed that nineteen ninety two World Cup,
and just the way he used to play, you know,
cover drives and you know all around the wicket.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
He could play, couldn't he. Robin Smith?

Speaker 11 (02:01:02):
Oh, well, certainly square of the wicket.

Speaker 8 (02:01:05):
And you know there's some eight series against the West
Indies at the at the hep of their powers and
he would take them on. So he was not a
He was a destructive player and he would never he
would try and dominate. And I used to love fielding
at point and The reason I used to love fielding
a point is because in One day Internationals and what

(02:01:26):
have you, I was often slip in the Test matches.
But I used to love being around point because that's
where a lot of action used to happen.

Speaker 11 (02:01:32):
The ball used to come quickly, and I used to
like that and what have you.

Speaker 8 (02:01:35):
I can tell you when you played England and Robin
Smith was batting, I'd go, Harry, would you like to
go a point, mate?

Speaker 11 (02:01:43):
Because he was probably one of the fiercest, fiercest cutters.

Speaker 8 (02:01:48):
Of the ball and no one would hit it harder.
And I can tell you if you were at point,
you were in for sore hands, that for sure. But yeah,
look it's very sad news, but we should celebrate, you know,
a terrific person first and foremost, and a terrific player secondly.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
You've absolutely done that for us this afternoon. Brian, thank
you so much for joining us. And yeah, we two
wish the family of Robin Smith all the best, Brian,
great to chat. Thanks for taking our call, My pleasure,
Brian Young. They're paying tribute to us of mate Robin Smith.

Speaker 3 (02:02:21):
Great stuff. Eight Away from three News Talks edb.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
The Scoons from the trash fields and the court on
your home of sport, Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Talks NB five to three. That pretty much wraps us
for a weekend sport today. Thank you so much for
listening in the West. And he's hanging on still six
down in christ Church. But a bit of time for
the black Caps to get these four remaining wickets to
win the first Test. We'll get inside the black Caps
camp tomorrow on the show regardless of what happens. We'll
also look at the final round of Formula One with
the Drivers' Championship coming down to the very last race.

(02:02:53):
And after midday tomorrow we have the exit interview with
New Zealand Rugby CEO Mark Robinson, the last time he'll
join us in that role as he prepares to depart
New Zealand Rugby. What's he proudest of? Are there are
things that he wished he could have accomplished and didn't.
Does he leave New Zealand Rugby in a better place
than he found it? Mark Robinson our guest after midday tomorrow.

(02:03:15):
Huge thanks to Carmen Boy for producing the show today,
Top Manmate, enjoyed the rest of your afternoon, thank you
for listening.

Speaker 3 (02:03:20):
In Tim Beverage after three, taking us out.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
We're seeing that the All White's going to be probably
playing a game in Seattle. One of Seattle's most famous bands,
Pearl Jam and Better Man, taking us out today, said
him right at mid day.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
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