Full Show Podcast: 07 December 2024

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Speaker 4 (00:27):
Welcome into the Saturday edition of Weekend Sport on News
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talking sport. Massive day in Auckland today for football fans.
Key we a league Darby two point zero, the unbeaten

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top of the table Auckland FC welcoming Wellington Phoenix to
what will be a jam packed sold out Mount Smart Stadium,
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this one are welcome to particularly if you're on your
weight of the game. Got some thoughts on which way
this one might fall. Cricket though, First up today, day
two of the Second Test, and Wellington's been going for
about an hour, resuming at eighty six for five. New
Zealand bowled out for one twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Here he goes.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
He's gone.

Speaker 7 (01:40):
Since taking a hat trick.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Here, that's gars Atkinson mopping up the tail with a
hat trick four for thirty one. Brighton cass backing up
his ten foot in christ Church with a four wicket
bag here as well. England have started their second innings
with a lead of one hundred and fifty five. They've
already lost that Crawley, so I guess that's something. They
are twelve for one. That's a lead of one hundred
and sixty seven. This game is and we're not even

(02:04):
at lunch on the second and we've had twenty one wickets.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
What's happened to Test cricket? People just forgotten how to play.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
We're live at the basin shortly with England cricket legend
and now commentator David Gower, and we'll keep your right
today across the afternoon with our man in Wellington, Andrew Orderson.
He might get an early flight home. He might be
able to come home tonight. You're in put an analysis
on the cricket welcome as well other matters around today.
On Thursday eleven, former New Zealand international cricketers were the

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first to be inducted into the National Bodies Hall of Fame.
The inaugural inductees. We're going to hear from a few
of them today. Just a reminder that after two o'clock
on the show tomorrow, Sir Richard Hadley, one of those inductees,
joins me for an extended chat. Gold medalist for New
Zealand and the t forty seven two hundred meters of
the Paralympic Games earlier this year. Anna Grimaldi is with

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us after two Adam Peacock along with his regular look
at sporting issues from across the Tasman. But a live
sport while we're on the air this afternoon, Test cricket, obviously,
but there's also Plunket Shield cricket happening around the country.
CD won the toss and sent northern districts into bat
of Mount Monganui Northern of forty five for three, Canterbury
of sent Otago in and rung yorder Otago sixty two

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for three in Auckland have won the toss and elected
to bat first against Wellington and Eden Parks out of
oval they're eighty for one, so going along nicely there,
Sewan Solier forty five. Not out your calls and feedback
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Speaker 3 (03:41):
Ten and a half past midday.

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Speaker 4 (03:53):
David Gower, one of the true greats of English cricket,
eighty two hundred and thirty one runs and one hundred
and seventeen test matches, fifth on the list of all
time test run scorers for England. Another three thousand, one
hundred and seventy in one day as he took a
liking to our bowling actually in colored clothing three centuries
in the space of sixteen days against US in January

(04:14):
nineteen eighty three, twenty six thousand first class runs in
a glittering career which span nearly two decades. He's now
a hugely respected cricket broadcaster and analyst and joins us
from the base in reserve. David, thanks so much for
taking the time. The first out today. It's been England's
without a doubt, a one hundred and fifty five run
lead which they're starting to build on. How strong is

(04:36):
England's position in this Test match right now?

Speaker 8 (04:39):
Yeah, well, very good morning, good afternoon. Whatever. It is,
very strong, very strong. They've enjoyed it. To me, one
thing they've really enjoyed is, yeah, a month and a
half and ago they're in Pakistan on dead pitches, turning
pitches and struggling. Suddenly we come here to New Zealand
and hey there's bounce and there's movements and we have

(05:00):
a very strong steam attack which is enjoying that. And
of course they have Harry Brook who somehow manages to
make runs when no one else does, so it's been
a bit of a perfect storm for them. I would
have to say that the way this morning went with
a hat trick from Gus Atkinson was cheered him up
no end as well. It just shows at the moment

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how confident England is and the pressure they're able to
exert on New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
How much of this Morning's and Things in effect the
entire New Zealand First and Things was down to bad
batsmanship or was it, on the whole really good bowling
From the likes of Edkinson and cars.

Speaker 8 (05:41):
Well, I would veer towards saying it was good bowling.
And the reason for that is this. Do you look
at yesterday's play, New Zealand had England four down for
forty or so, give or take. It was a pitch
with a bit of movement, a bit of bounce, and
it looked very much like it would be a bowler's day.

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Two men only two men out of whatever it was
fifteen or so on day one made it look any different.
Harry Brook is in ridiculously good form and has that
extra ability which allows him to do things we others
can't or won't or you wouldn't even dare try. I mean,
for instance, watching him yesterday morning suddenly deciding to step

(06:22):
aside and hits hit a length ball over extra cover
for six. That moment changed the dynamic of the day.
I mean New Zealand don't have people necessarily who are
either in the form wall with the confidence to try
and do that sort of thing when they're up against it.
Harry Brook somehow decides that he can and will, and
he gets away with him. And there will be days

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in the future where it doesn't quite work for him,
where that over confidence, shall we say, will work against him.
But yesterday it changed the game. And as I say,
when two men out of fifteen sixteen batsmen are the
only ones to make it look like a batting pitch,
that gives you a clues to the advantages the ball
should have had. And I think England obviously recognized that
when they came to their term with the ball. And

(07:04):
at the moment you've got Rid and cass who is
leading this England attack. And yeah, he's only playing, as
you know, he's only got a handful of Test matches
to his name. But he's big, he's strong, and he's
loving the fact that these pictures give him a bit
of bounce.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
I want to come back to Carson a moment because
he's come galloping onto the Test scene. But just on
Harry Brook, how does he compare David to the other
young English betters you've seen emerge in recent times.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
Well, he's head and soulders above him many many ways.
I mean the figures are ridiculous away from home, especially
where he is literally bradmanesque and in a modern era
which is ever so different to Braden's era when you're
averaging one hundred overseas and with hundreds was it eight
hundreds to his name, I think overseas in a bread

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of this small number of test matches. I said him
the other day, actually forget playing at home, just go
abroad and keep smacking hundreds. Yes, you know, take take
the summer off. But he he has this. I mean
people I spoke to people about say three years ago
now watching him at Yorkshire where he plays his counter cricket,
and they were all purring in appreciation of his talents.

(08:12):
But the big difference is this. I mean, there are
people who come through with the ability to play shots,
orthodox shots, some of the new shots as well, who
look like proper players. He looks like a proper player.
That added dimension that he is able to play shots
that in this longer form of the game we only
normally see where when there's people in color clothing and

(08:34):
white balls and bright lights and Razmataz. I mean, the
good news that I would suggest is that you know,
Test cricket needs all the fans he can get. He
is the sort of man that will persuade people to
come and watch Test cricket as well, because it's all
part of it nowadays. But England as a whole, I mean,
England have a a style of play at the moment

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and the sort of players who can use it, which
means they do try and entertain and what they will
entertain and when they try and do it not purely
for entertainment purposes, because it serves to try and win
them games. But Harry, Harry is just I mean pretty
much unique at the moment, I suggest in amongst the
greats at World cricket. I mean, before he's before you
can call him a great grade, you've got to say, well,

(09:18):
it's given another five years, see what it's like over
a decade or so. But at the moment he is
just awesome to watch.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
It's been a tremendous first couple of years for him,
Brian and Cass He's only just arrived. This is his
fourth Test ten for in christ Church. Another four here,
but he's twenty nine years old. Can you tell us
any more about him?

Speaker 8 (09:38):
Well, there's lots about him. His backstory is obviously a
South African upbringing. His parents kind of sent him to
England as a nineteen year old to experience a bit
of light, you know, out of South Africa, a different country,
but are growing up. And I saw a picture the
other day after which came out of the Times of
London with a nineteen year old bridon cast with Dalmadere

(10:00):
studs arriving in Durham basically, which is not the place
for Darminear studs necessarily, don't you know. The good folk
of Durham take a slightly different view of that. The
thing has been as you say, it's actually it's a
ten year story, a bit of a wild child. When
he played some club cricket there with the club he
player looked after him. Durham then spotted him on their radar.

(10:22):
I mean, Durham be very good actually picking up really
good players, identifying players both batsman and bowlers from all
sorts of places, actually some of them quite unorthodox. And
Durham has a very good sort of pace bowling set up.
I mean lots of other people up there coming through.
I mean Matthew Potts is another one from Durham who's
in this England squad who's benefited from that ethos Up there.

(10:44):
You've got Ben Stokes as another well, I say, good Durham.
You know christ Church and Durham. And it's an atmosphere
which allows you to learn and grow up and become
what you are. So I mean, cars is not exactly
an overnight success. But now that he's found what works
for him, and now that England found someone who will

(11:07):
run in hard for a long long time each and
every day, the one thing they will hope, of course,
is that the workloads doesn't put extra strain on him.
But he's strong, He's really strong. He doesn't he doesn't
win at all about a fast bowling. He loves it
obviously when things are going well, everyone loves what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Brendan McCallum is going to take over as England's white
ball coach next month. He's already revolutionized the way the
team played the Red Bull cricket. What do you expect
from him in the white ball role, David Well.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
I mean it was a role that he as a
player excelled in I think the thing for England with
their white ball cricket is they've kind of lost confidence
since that Worke Cup win, and I won't mention that again.
Since that they have I wouldn't want to bring that up.

(12:00):
They have lost some of the magic that made them
by the Barrister Margins World Cup winners. And one of
the things I think he needs to do is take
the culture that he's promoted to the Test side back
to the white day side, white ball side. Just Butler,
for instance, who is still one of the world's great
white ball players, I think could do with just a

(12:22):
little bit of something to restore confidence in his leadership.
And then it's just it's defined tuning. I mean, ours
is not not all about technicalities, is he No, I
mean very rarely here and talk about technicalities. With the
Test side. He is about building confidence, about creating an atmosphere,
creating the rights from out and see in the rooms,

(12:44):
and about just trying somehow to get the best out
of players, which he's managed to do by and large
very successfully with this Test side. So it's that sort
of magic he's going to have to try and weave
for the one day side.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, we out and see what happens there just before
you go. Do you remember that month in January of
nineteen eighty three when every time you played against US
you scored us injury and the Blue England kit. Well,
do you know what I do, I'm not surprised or
we just said we couldn't get you out. You were
stroking us to all parts of Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
Fine, it's it's very good of you to remember. Remember
that made me feel make me feel good again. The
I mean this this, but that's just I've seen it,
you know what I mean. I hate to confess I
have seen it on YouTube. The it was the when
the best of those was the one fifty odd in Brisbane, Yes,
which was just a lovely day where you know, even

(13:40):
the Knicks went for four and the ones out in
the middle went over the boundary and I was staying.
In fact, I was with friends in Pakistan on the
tour a month and a half ago and they, you know,
I didn't have to prompt them. Let's always have a
look at this. You know, they had big screen that YouTube.
Lo and behold they were clicking on the one fifty
eight in in Brisbane. It was pretty kind of you

(14:00):
past past the Scotch. It's it's nice to have those
memories into this. It was all I can say. It's
a long time ago, but crowd times, sproud times.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
I bet they were wonderful to chat to here. David,
thanks for being so generous with your time.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
All the best to you.

Speaker 8 (14:15):
Thanks mate, my pleasure, Thank you you.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Two bye by David Gower. What a legend of a man.
What about he was?

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I remember that eighty three It was one of those
you know when you go over to Australia, these scored
the World Series Cup or something similar to that, and
it was ars England and Australia and David Gower every
time he batted, just came out and just smoked us everywhere.
That one fifty eighties Just talking about of one hundred
and eighteen balls back then, that was revolutionary. No one
even no one scored it a run a ball in
one day cricket in the eighties, very rarely anyway, and

(14:45):
certainly not the way that he did that day. Eighteen
fours and four six's not a bad bowling line up
for New Zealand. Had Lee Chatfield Snedd and troop Ken's
and Coney. They gave us a lot of success in
the eighties, didn't I didn't. They didn't seem to worry
David Gower that day or any day really when he
batted against us. What a wonderful bloke and a real
analyst of the game. So since we've been chatting, England

(15:06):
have moved to thirty four for one, thirty four for
one in their second innings, a lead of one hundred
and eighty nine. Now, it's just incredible how quickly they
advanced Test matches. I mean, obviously has helped that they
bowled us out rather cheaply, but that's largely, as you
heard David say, down to their excellent bowling.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Today. There's maybe a couple of.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Dismissals for New Zealand that can be put down to
poor batsmanship, but rarely it was really good fast bowling
from Brighton Cars. In particular, Jacob Bethel's just smacked the
one over backward square for six, so forty for one. Now,
just the way that they advanced games of cricket, and

(15:52):
there's so much time left in this Test now it
would not be beyond the realms of possibility, what do
they lead by now getting up towards Let's just if
they continue to go along at five or six and over.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
I mean, you can do the math on this.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
It might be that by the time we reach it's
one hundred and ninety five ahead. Now, so they're almost
two hundred ahead and we're not even at lunch yet.
We're over half an hour away from lunch on the
second day of this Test match and already England have
a two hundred run lead over New Zealand and they're
in their second innings. They're at the second bat Test.

(16:34):
Cricket used to move at a pedestrian pace, didn't it,
And I think maybe many people thought that was the
beauty of it. You could have sort of sit there
and the game would meander along, and you might have
a bit of snooze on the bank and it would
all be okay. You wouldn't miss a heck of a
lot where you can't. This is like one day cricket
used to be. This is like the stuff I was
just talking to David Gore about the fifty overstuff in

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the nineteen eighties. You know, they used to get to
twenty without loss off ten overs, so I gave him
a good solid start here. Edgar and Wright would get
you through to twenty without loss after ten overs. Not
a bit of it now and in cricket England have
revolutionized it. You've heard from David Gower, very very keen
to hear your thoughts. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eight,
he can open the lines on this. It's just a

(17:15):
bit gutting, isn't it After what happened in India. When
Tom Lathan won the toss yesterday and sent England in
well By, they forty three for four at drinks forty
three for four.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
They were we were right on top.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
And then Harry Brooke just continued this astonishing run of
his combining with Oli Pope. They put one hundred and
seventy four, brought God to his one hundred and ninety
one balls. But we hit back again and from two
seventeen for four to two hundred and eighty all out.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
That's a good fight back. And in stark.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Contrast to Hagley, the fielding was excellent yesterday and the
catches were all sticking. Everyone who dropped them in christ
Church took a catch yesterday at least one. Tom Latham
dropped a couple down there, held on to a low
one to get rid of Ben Duckett, then a more
straightfor one to dismiss Ben Stokes. Daryl Mitchell a screw
to send Joe Route back. Tom Blundell took a nice

(18:08):
one down league side Rich and Ravendrick took a steep
blu at their helmet on. Will o'rourk a running catch
at fine lega. Our catching was excellent yesterday. Nathan Smith,
clever piece of work to run out Harry Brook as well,
all out to eighty just after TEA. I reckon Tom
Lathan would have taken that at the toss, wouldn't he?
He would have definitely taken that two hundred and eighty.

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But so much of that good work has just been
undone now all out one two five, eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 3 (19:02):
All right, Zane, what's on your mind?

Speaker 9 (19:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (19:05):
Hi mate, Look, yeah, so disappointing after the great series
in India.

Speaker 10 (19:13):
Yep, I guess you just got to look.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
At it and say, well, this is a risky take
when you don't actually a players that performed and were
instrumental and making us win in India.

Speaker 11 (19:25):
I mean Satana and Will Young. Let's just too off
the top of my head.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
And you insist on on picking players out of form.
It's been very disappointing to me that since Salvey has
been able to uh given, it's given the perception anyway
that he's been able to pick and choose his sort
of end of end of career benefit test match series

(19:55):
that you shall pick me for the three tests and
and as of hideosmus talked about recently on the Cricket commentary.

Speaker 11 (20:06):
Why are we Why are.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
We picking a squad and limiting ourselves and when we're
playing at home immediately stops us from able being able
to bring external players from the first class scene into
the into the test team if so required. And look,
I perhaps I'm biased because I've never ated Garis did,

(20:30):
and I know maybe you do, and others wort disagree
with me by look at the overall results results in
the last five or six years and courts towards some
real high My opinion is he's been pretty lucky with
the team that he inherited.

Speaker 12 (20:47):
You know.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
And I think he's an awful selector, I really do.
I don't think he could picked his way out of
a paper bags, and I think it's really come to
a head now that he has taken to the extreme.
One thing, Look, I understand at times we want to
give players comfort that they know that one or two

(21:08):
bad games are they're not going to get dropped. But
you know, the likes of blood Blundle and Salvy, it's
been a couple of years of very bad form and
it's spot the service that both of those players have
given us. You know, international cricket, international sport at the

(21:28):
wholeest level, is not about tessers and cuddles. We want
to win this series. That's very important for New Zealand
to back up that win over and over an Dgart
and I just think we're just you know, very speeding
the rest of the hierarchy in New Zealand cricket, not
only in the New Zealand themselves down they're big fans

(21:50):
like medw just extremely disappointed with the attitudes that they've taken.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Thank you, Zaye, well articulated by you as always. Yeah,
I think a lot of people listening will shee your frustration.
The difficulty with the Tim Salve thing is that, as
Zaye said, and I'm pretty sure Tim Southy hasn't said, look,
i'll play, I'll retire as long as I play these
last three. I'm pretty sure he hasn't made that a stipulation.

(22:18):
You know, he has always been team first. But the
difficulty is now is if you wanted to make a change,
let's just say that England win this Test and that
looks like the most likely outcome here. Let's say England
win this Test. Then I don't know, it's almost as
say you say, well, let's make some changes for Hamilton,
let's bring in some guys. And as Zaye said, and

(22:38):
I heard those comments from I and Psmith as well.
When you're playing at home, you can get guys. Just
on a domestic flight, guys are playing plunket shield right now,
this reeks mighty you out of Canterbury. He's got a
couple of big hundreds. Yeah, I know it's a big
you know, it's a long bow to be drawn to say,
coming from first class cricket and play a Test match
against England and Hamilton. But if we're turning all down

(22:59):
in the series, then what is that'll lose anyway? Others
as well who have been waiting for an opportunity, Maybe
you just say if it's you know, if it's a
dead rather third Test, you know what, we'll try something
a bit adventurous that unfortunately would go against what this
team has been about. And I do like the idea

(23:19):
of security in selection. I do like that, especially in
cricket where it is such a numbers game where you
know you can you can get nervous after a run
of low scores you think the selector's acts is going
to fall. I like the fact that someone might say
to you, Okay, you know what, you're in this team
for the Test series, so don't worry if you get

(23:39):
a couple of low scores. You know we're not going
to just dump you. But that has got to have
a finite end at some stage, and there are guys
I think knocking on the door now Will Young is
a very good example.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Leaving him out of.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
These first two test matches has proven to be Now
that we've batted three times has proven to be a mistake.
Will Young should be in this test side. So I
can only imagine how you're feeling.

Speaker 11 (24:09):
Oh, you know, it.

Speaker 13 (24:10):
Sounds it's just frustrating, pointy.

Speaker 10 (24:12):
Ye.

Speaker 13 (24:13):
Why is it that is you say, oh, we could
wait now that we had third test that you make changes.
There should have been changes before we come into this series.

Speaker 14 (24:22):
I mean you can't.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Just people can't.

Speaker 14 (24:24):
I don't know how they justify keeping Will Young carrying
the drinks. And then when you go look at our bowling, pointy,
I mean, why how did they defend someone like a
Tim Sowdy opening the bowling and he's boiling one hundred
and twenty five clicks and you say, okay, he moves
the ball. I'm sorry, that's just not good enough. The
series did. This series clearly tells me that it's just

(24:47):
a last hurrah for Saldi and it's just I just
don't like that. Why is it that we just we
do that kind of thing? I don't. Once the series over,
we'll be like, okay, so it'll be three nil drubbing.

Speaker 8 (24:57):
It's just you know, Will.

Speaker 14 (25:00):
Young off not batting, and then you go look at
our I don't know what's happened since India. I thought
we were riding high and then here we are now
and it's just like, I'm sorry, Piney, but it's just this,
this least is our taste in the mouth day and
I just changes should have been should have already been made,
and it's just it just feels like a boys club
that it's hard to get into their team and then

(25:21):
get out of the team. These guys need to be
put on to pressure if you don't perform being I'm
sorry you go back and play punk and shield because
you go look at people like Comway and you go
look at like a Blundell saw him this morning. Yeah,
you've got a good nut getting out. But it's like
time again failing. It's gonna there's gotta be something of change.

(25:41):
I'm just tired of this conservative approach by Gary stand
and it seems like we have to have some sort
of allegiance to South. They'd be like, oh no, we'll
just keep picking up. I just it doesn't run with me, Piney.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
You know, no me either, And it also provides a
stark contrast to what happened with Neil Wagner, where he
he wasn't given anywhere close to the same courtesy in
terms of a farewell of any that left a really
bad taste in the mouths of a lot of people.
When yeah, I think everybody understood that Neil Wagner was

(26:13):
coming towards the end, but he was unceremoniously cut off
at the pass, you know, effectively, you know, basically told
to retire in no uncertain terms. Whereas I feel like, yeah,
the if there's a dead rather third Test, then they
should they should say, okay, well let's let's let's use
this opportunity to try some new Test players. Because I

(26:34):
don't play a lot of Test cricket. But Tim Saldy
will play in Hamilton, there's no there's no question because it's.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
A Swan song.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
It's his last Test. But look at his figures in
this one. You know, in the first innings with a
new ball, twelve overs none for sixty two. That's going
for five and over. He's bold three overs. In the
second inning's gone for sixteen, so five and over there
and he's out of the attack already.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
It just doesn't as you say, what are the consequences
for poor performance here?

Speaker 14 (27:02):
It doesn't seem to be bunny. It's just I you know,
as you say, you bring up wagon, you know, and
even bold they didn't get a Swan song.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
So what makes Tim.

Speaker 14 (27:11):
Soudi so special? Oh so you got three hundred and
three hundred and something wickets. I can understand he's had
a great career, but I'm sorry he should have been
gone after that slinking Si. He shouldn't even have gone
to that sh Lincoln series.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 14 (27:25):
Tough decisions need to be made. And it's just like
I just think that we just keep giving and giving
and giving. And I know that when you go look
at the nineties and eighty two thousands that the cricket
team was in and out, in and out, in and out.
I get that, but it's just like, how are we
defending that kind of performance? And you go look at
our bets and then you go look at like a
Will Young who was just then pushed aside again, it's

(27:46):
like the bowls of Will Young. I'll be like you
know what gets stuff New Zealand cricket. I'll go and
play Frank trust cricket. You're gonna treat me like that.
It's just it's not on and it needs to be accountable.
And the thing is when it comes to Gary Stead,
when Saudi decided to drop the get and sea, where
was Gary Stead? I just I'm sorry, but it just
I feel like Gary Stead is a bit of a coward.

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Here is where their chalabi and he should be front
lowers in the media and people asking the task questions
and sorry, what's going on you? Gary Stead? Our performance
is a port and you continue to keep letting it happen.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Thanks Rich, Always enjoy chatting to your mate. Always enjoy
your passionate, forthright views on the cricket lets. So there's
some more positive times ahead. The problem as well with
something like let's use Tim Soudy as the ongoing example.
He has been a magnificent cricketer for US. There's no
question at all that Tim Soudy has been a generational
cricketer for New Zealand and has played a massive part

(28:40):
in a period of unprecedented success for US, including the
winning of the World Test Championship. And Test match wins here,
there and everywhere. Unfortunately, what happens in a situation like
this is that we start to talk about Tim Soudy
now in less than glowing terms. And I know that's
the nature of sport and not everybody has a fairy

(29:03):
tail ending, but picking him for this Test match and
then having him bowl twelve overs in the first innings
three in the second I said this on the show.
I wasn't on the show last week. I must have
just said it to myself. But if they were, Mitchell
Santons should be playing this Test match. Mitchell Satiny should
be in this Test match. I know that that spinner

(29:23):
hasn't really been a factor, but he should be in
this Test match. And Matt Henry, Nathan Smith and Willow
Rourke should be the three pronged seam attack. And to
be honest, that's what they should do in Hamilton. Hamilton's
going to be a lot more spin friendly than Wellington
and I kind of get why looking at the pitch,

(29:44):
and you know, yes, spin hasn't already played a part.
In fact, England didn't use any spinners in the New
Zealand's things, and they have to because we're all out
for one twenty five inside thirty five overs. But you
look back to Nathan Lyne last year, Mitchell Santner must
play in Hamilton, and then you say if he plays,
you're dropping his Seama. They're not going to drop him South.

(30:06):
It's his last test next week. They're not gonna They're
not going to deny him that farewell. And I like
it when guys who you know, who have given a
lot of a lot of service to us get a
farewell that they deserve. I think that's right and fitting,
but it also has to be within the framework of
winning games.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Winning games.

Speaker 15 (30:30):
JK.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
Hello, Hey, how are you mate?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I'm okay, JK yourself?

Speaker 11 (30:36):
Well, yeah, good good first time call, a long time listener.
Love you except for your Wellington Lean minus aukman.

Speaker 16 (30:46):
Friends love it.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
JK, thanks for calling, and mate, what's on your mind?

Speaker 11 (30:50):
Let me start with a couple of positives. Look Sally's
been outstanding for Usialma for a long time and if
it was me, I'd give him the last match as
a Swan song. But I probably wouldn't have picked him
for the first two, so I would give him that respect.
I think Conway at one stage I probably would have
Conway's that's my life over Williamson when he first started.

(31:12):
That's how great he.

Speaker 16 (31:13):
Was he was.

Speaker 11 (31:15):
And Blundell you know this, This guy is talented both
with the gloves and the bat. So these three players,
you know, have been great. So that's the positives, mate,
that the negatives here are. We absolutely can agree with
a whole lot of your other courcuse we have, but
we should have made changes earlier. And there's no way

(31:36):
that Salvy should have played in Sri Lanka. There's no
way he should have paid his first two tests. He's
got nothing to offer. An think, with all due respect,
Conway is well out of perform and you'd have to
have will Young there instead. Chuck around the patting order
with the guns at the top or later on, it
doesn't really matter, and bundle again. You know, we've got
other players that can either take the gloves that are inside,

(31:59):
could could come in, because all three of those players
that I've just mentioned are offering nothing to this side.
And I don't care that we absolutely tramped India and
Great with very little from most of those players. But
you can't you can't carry players in football, as you
will know, Pineya chop and change your team to meet

(32:20):
what the situation is, to what your season is. In cricket,
there is no reason that you need to hide behind,
you know, owning a little bit of loyalty, you know,
a downturn and form. But you know, I've been dropped
twenty times in various playing careers in sports and I

(32:41):
have to live with that and they should too. Anyway,
that was my short and role of the positive.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I can't believe it's the first time you've called JK.
You've got We've got to make you a regular. You've
got the number on your phone now, mate, so don't
be a stranger.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
Sound all well and.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
You're going to say that.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
I love it, mate, Thanks for calling again. Yeah, big
darby this afternoon. Looking forward to that as well. Seventeen
and a half away from one David. Please hold there
with you after this spear line if you want to
jump in. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
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Speaker 4 (33:25):
News Talks a Baby, News Talks a B one are
we won forty five, twelve forty five. Don't get don't
get worried, twelve forty five. I'm getting carried away, David Hi,
thanks for holding Jason.

Speaker 11 (33:38):
Welcome back, Jim.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Just bring the cricket a few points. First of all,
one of the success in India, I think it glossed
over a number of things. And then as a India
took us like little women interested and they were more
interested in the Aussie tour that we only got four
hundred once in that series. And there was an element

(34:00):
you've got to take into account of actually worn a
little bit a lot of luck. And as much as
we lost toss in the first Test, they chose to
that we won the match.

Speaker 13 (34:10):
If we're the batter first, we're the being dead.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
And the second and third Test we won the toss.
And as you know, in batting in Asia, there's a
difference between batting third and betting fourth, and that was
the big difference. Lathan won the toss second and third
Test matches. Needs say more, but here it's becoming apparent
in our own conditions that were struggling. Sow they're getting
a new ball. Well, I mean, I don't know what

(34:33):
O'Rourke's done really that he shouldn't be given a new ball.
It'll been number one, number two during your previous quarter.

Speaker 17 (34:41):
We wouldn't have.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Played sally, but the committed women now they stuck them
for the next test. But my biggest beeper is is
the fact that Blundell keeps back at six Phillips and
even more exasperated after this last and it's because of
the night watchman gets left on the tail, not out
every time. And if you think back to the nineteen

(35:04):
nineties and Ian Chappell from Channel nine as he was
then there is student. He made a point about Jack Tullis,
the South African bousman who would make a lot of runs.
As Ian Chapel will say, great average al app but
he was very slow precise, could never hurt you like
the Richard's Team Partner session if that makes sense of
people like yes, and Glenn Phillips is one of these

(35:27):
people that could take an attack and kill a team
figurative recals in a session and Blundell simply just can't
do that. And I don't know was gear instead. I mean,
the guy's got a very good test record, and he does,
but at some stage he's got to be a little
bit more flexible, would you think question?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, sorry, I will get to the last point.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
David.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
You're right, it just feels as though there was absolutely
no innovation in selection. It is terrifically conservative selection.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, and not to be fair to Stead, as I say,
a good record, but that doesn't care at the end
of the day. But the other thing with Gary Stead
was it's always been a steady steid conservative. But I
was just going to actually read the football this afternoon.
I'm not sure if you're calling it or not.

Speaker 8 (36:19):
I am, yeah, I am okay, Well, who's your pick?

Speaker 5 (36:24):
I'm going to climb the mine that it's an Aukland
swear as black and Blue at the Auckland Club are
game to win at least two Nils. So you're a
bit more better than these things and me, Norman solections Well,
I don't know whether that's true, David, But I tell
what I've been saying all week is that I think
Wellington win at one nil.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
More analysis after one, but I've got Wellington winning at
one nil. I'll explain further after one when we really
get into the football. Good to tet you mate, Thanks
for thanks for calling in let's get to the base
and Andrew Ordison is there. We're not even at lunch
on the second day. Orders is this game already out
of reach of New Zealand?

Speaker 13 (36:58):
Well, piny, I think it's getting towards that point for sure.
If you think that England were now with a lead
of what's at two hundred and twenty five. They were
leading by one hundred and fifty five on the first
of things up in New Zealand dismissed for one hundred
and twenty five and just crumbling. No real application with
the bat, the lack of application in the field from
christ which is pretty much translated to the bat in

(37:19):
Wellington and just well, if you look at the schoolcard,
came Williamson with thirty seven, no one else an excess
of seventeen and just even to booth, Gus Atkinson in
England past Baller with the fifteenth hat trick by an
English player in the test game. So that wrapped up
the tale of with Nathan Smith gave for fourteen, chopping

(37:41):
on in Matt Henry gone for a duck, fending to
Gully and Tim Saudi plum LBW to finish. So it's
a pretty awkward situation for this New Zealand team and
in many ways matchally mean, I know it's poor weather
expected tomorrow, Piney in Wellington, he wouldn't ar at the moment.
The basin is bathed in sunshine with a light northerly

(38:02):
coming through. But it's it's hard to see this's getting
beyond three days.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
I was, I mean, we might bat again today, Alder.
You know that's England. England might just keep going for it.
What did you say they were head by now two.

Speaker 13 (38:14):
Six twenty six?

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Now they might They could declare after tea with a
lead of four hundred plus easily, absolutely.

Speaker 13 (38:22):
And then he's going to be in and then who
knows what might happen from there on, And so it's
a it's a it's a difficult situation for this New
Zealand side and you're just not able to I mean,
I think what makes it particularly galling is if he's
got Will Young, the player of the series in the
historic three nail victory over India, and India, who's who's
carrying the drinks Piney in addition to that batting problem, it.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Just looks more preposterous by the day, doesn't it. Let's
give credit though to England's bowlers. I thought Brighton Cars
in particular off the back of what he did down
in christ Church, what he got, he's only been only
been in Test cricket five minutes another four five, I
thought he was very good, including who was the ball
that got blunder?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Was an absolute corker, wasn't it?

Speaker 13 (39:02):
Absolutely top vost And similarly yesterday with came Williamson when
he dismissed him, Williamston was only on twenty and it
hit the top VOS numbers. Well, but that was declared
a noball. But Williamson eventually gone to thirty seven. But yeah,
just that's the new Zealander has just struggled as they've
played some strokes and they just haven't been able to

(39:23):
apply themselves over a long period. And just to see
Glen Phillips left there coming in at eight given that, well,
I wrote with the night Watchman just left there sixteen
not out. You feel like that's a resource that's been
untapped and that he's editings as well.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Good man orders we'll check it again with you in
the middle session. Andrew Ordison read him at mziherld dot
co dot mz with all of the analysis etc.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
There and on the radio with us.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Of course, England seventy two for one in their second innings,
seventy two for one in their second innings, So do
the maths on that and you'll find.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Them with a lead.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Just let me scroll down here and make sure it's
all up today. Yes, it is of two hundred and
twenty seven runs, So two hundred and twenty seven runs.
Make that two hundred and thirty one runs. As a
a ball flies over the top of Tom Blundell down
to the fence, whether it's off bat or not is.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Probably a moot point.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
It's four more runs regardless, seventy six for one hour,
lead of two hundred and thirty one, with nine second innings,
wickets in hand and plenty of time left seven to one.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
US talks HEB.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
The suit from the.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Track field and the court on your home of sort
weekends for it with Jason Vine, US talks HEB.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
When it comes to blast bowler.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
There's another page from the cast plaster top of off stump.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Blundelle's gone New Zealand ninety five for six.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Here that was Tom Blundell getting out earlier on today.
I don't care how good or bad a form of urine.
You're not keeping that one out as an absolute cracker
from Brighton Carse. He's been a real find for England,
charging in the pace bowler ten wickets down in christ
Church four in the first innings here, so well on
the way to that kind of man of the series
type conversation. We'll keep eyes on the cricket for you.

(41:05):
After one o'clock, going to pivot across to the football
because it is a massive afternoon in Auckland the A
League men's derby two point zero. I guess we can
call it Auckland FC unbeaten defending their fortress against their
big brothers from down the road to Wellington Phoenix, Nando
Pinaker and Costa barbarusis after one.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
The only plays for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talk said been.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Hello and welcome in or welcome back one O seven.
I'm Jason pine Bevan. You are producing the show here
till three tomorrow. After two, Sir Richard Hadley's on the show,
looking forward to chatting to Sir Richard. In fact, I've
already chatted to him. I've no point lying about it.
I do it the other day at the inaugural Hall
of Fame induction. But what a fascinating guy, an absolute

(42:05):
great of the game, of course. But yes, we're rich
had Had. They're going to play that in for you
tomorrow after two. Speaking of that Hall of Fame eleven inductees,
the first eleven Fittingley inducted on Thursday night at the
Cricket Museum at the Basement Reserve. Emily Drum, Debbie Hockley,
Brendon McCullum were among the inductees. Will have some of

(42:26):
their thoughts after two. But we're going to dedicate this
out to football. Just before I get there, though, a
couple of texts to mop up. I'll keep it short, Pine,
he says. Graham Jk's calls bang on Conway's Southdi Blundele
need a bit of scrutiny and why can't he Jazz
Bettel play in New Zealand for Pete's sake, says Graham.
Warney played on all surfaces. Bevin dua producer, agrees he's

(42:48):
he's giving it the big thumbs up Sentiner sometimes but
still not a certain for me. Will Young is getting
mucked around, thanks Graham, Chris says Piney, you've nadled about
the treatment of Neil Wagner appalling. I love Southey, but
he should have been gone away while Ago and Paul.
Will Young proved himself in India, So why the heck
is he not playing?

Speaker 8 (43:05):
Chris?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
You won't an argument from me and from Derek and
Christ Yes, Jason Gary Steed's got it wrong with the
selections unfortunately, Brenda McCallum must be laughing as socks off.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
See how they shouldn't have started the series.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Give Ben Sears or Ben listerygo also either Blundle of
Conway's got to go for Will Young. Lastly, the Phoenix
to score first against Auckland FC. That's good, Derek. I
see you stop short of actually saying no winning the game,
but you know, to each their own I guess. Thanks
for your text messages nine two ninety two if you
would like to send one through at any time.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
It's just on eight past one. All eyes on referee
Tim Donaskis and.

Speaker 18 (43:42):
Heach and firms Waukland FC go five from five.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah, in the rain last weekend, Auckland getting it done
again against the Newcastle Jets, late goals from Nada Moreno
and then Francis Dvrees giving them a fifth straight win
and a fifth straight clean sheet. This afternoon, it is
a sold out go Media Stadium in the Auckland suburb
of p Rows for drby two point zero. Quite weird

(44:09):
that Auckland and Wellington are playing each other for the
second time this season in just round seven, but it
is what it is and it is set to be
a magnificent occasion this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Want to get your thoughts on it.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
At some stage in the next little while you might
have some views on how this one might play out,
but let's get you straight into the Auckland FC camp
with center back for Auckland f C and the All Whites,
Nando Pinake. Now no, thanks for joining us on game day, mate,
hand on heart. Did you really expect the start that
you've had? Five games, five wins, five clean sheets.

Speaker 17 (44:43):
Yeah, I guess not quite. It's been obviously an amazing
start for us.

Speaker 19 (44:47):
We have been working really hard in the preseason to
have a start like we've had, so I guess we're yeah,
not too surprised, but things are going well for us,
and yeah, hopefully they continue to do so.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
The bed rock of it all is your defensive performance.
Five straight clean sheets. What are the key reasons for
the water type defense that you guys are put together.

Speaker 19 (45:09):
I think it's the whole team, the whole team working
really hard. Obviously, we have really good coaches helping us
tactically making sure we're set up really well. And I
think we have really really good players on our team
that obviously stop the ball going into the back of
the net. But it also, yeah, it's not less just
the defenders, it's the whole team obviously, the goalkeeper as well.

Speaker 17 (45:28):
Yeah, it's everyone involved with the club.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
So yeah, yeah, I guess you've landed on a really
interesting point and that you know, often think they haven't
any goals and the goalkeeper must be good and he is.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
The defenders must be good and you are.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
But I wanted to ask about Louis the Strata, who
sort of sits in front of you almost like a
nightclub bouncer more than anything else, not letting anybody through.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
How key has he been to your defense?

Speaker 19 (45:50):
Yeah, very very important. I think he's been amazing all season,
He's picked up so many balls, so many tackles, so yeah,
he helps us massively. So with Adham, yeah it would
be it's tough. So now we're very, very lucky to
have him on our team, and yeah, hopefully we can
keep it going all right.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Well, as you look to keep it going this afternoon
against Wellington Phoenix, you look at their side and you
land on guys like Costa, Barbarusis, Marco Rojas. Are they
player as you specifically legislate four or do you just
really keep on working on what your defensive system is
all about.

Speaker 19 (46:23):
Yeah, we don't try to look too much into the opposition. Obviously,
we know they have dangerous players, Marco Costa, the dangerous
players in the A League. They've been around for a
long time, so we know what their strengths are. So yeah,
we're obviously trying to trying to minimize them as much
as possible and then focus on ourselves and hope that
we put out a very good performance.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
They've also been productive at set peace time this season, Wellington.
Does that also factor into your preparation for this one?

Speaker 19 (46:51):
Yeah, one hundred percent. We look at all their areas
where they've had success to try. Yeah, obviously do as
well as we can against the corners and the free kicks,
things like that. So we've looked at all the areas
where they could potentially score, trying to make.

Speaker 17 (47:06):
Sure that, yeah, we keep another clean sheet and we
keep winning.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
And I know a lot of the Kiwi boys in
the Auckland FC squad. You know there's a lot of
Kiwi boys in the Wellington Phoenix squad. You guys were
together not that long ago in an All White squad.
Does that add an extra dynamic to a clash like
this one?

Speaker 17 (47:23):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 19 (47:24):
It's interesting because we play with them at national team level.
So yeah, sometimes we obviously get get on quite well
with the All White so it's interesting to play against
them and then this time there I guess your enemy
in a way, so yeah, but it's also it helps
us because we know how how they like to play
and what they're good at, what they're not so good
at that, Yeah, we can conteract that as well.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
You've been playing your football off shore for the last
few years. How are you enjoying being back home for
a bit.

Speaker 17 (47:52):
Yeah, it's been great.

Speaker 19 (47:53):
Obviously, we've had a really good start which which has
helped massively, Yeah, but really enjoying being back around friends, family, Yeah,
getting to play in front of them, and getting to
play in front.

Speaker 17 (48:03):
Obviously the big crowd, big crowds at Auckland as well.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
And when you look at your own performances. I know
it is a team game and you've alluded to that
a couple of times, but where do you think the
growth areas are for you as a footballer.

Speaker 19 (48:17):
I think all the all the areas can get better
at obviously, Yeah, leadership want to be more of an
attacking threat at set pieces as well going forward at
the moment. Defensively we've been we've been pretty bit. We
haven't conceded yet, so hopefully we can obviously keep it.

Speaker 8 (48:32):
Going that way.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
We want to.

Speaker 19 (48:34):
Yeah, stay as a team. They haven't have conceded the
least amount of goals this season.

Speaker 17 (48:39):
That's the goal. So yeah, we'll see how we go.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
And I know it was a while ago now, but
you talk about your threat at set pieces, talk us
through the ninety seventh minute back healed winner against Sydney FC.

Speaker 17 (48:51):
Yeah, there's not too much to talk through.

Speaker 19 (48:53):
Just all the ball obviously land in front and yeah,
I didn't know how to put it in the goal anyway,
was the back heel, so so I went through it. Yeah,
it was something they don't really think about in the moment.
Just happy, happy it went in with.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Your back to gold. Did you see it cross the line?
Did you swivel your head round? Did you see it
go over the line?

Speaker 17 (49:10):
I didn't actually see it. I think Dan Hall saw
it before me.

Speaker 19 (49:13):
He started celebrating, so then I started celebrating because he
was celebrating.

Speaker 17 (49:16):
So yeah, it was a good moment.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
We've had some good moments and a lot of them
have come down that end with the port already, this
supporter group that's just turning heads all around the A League.
How is it playing in front of those.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Guys and goods.

Speaker 17 (49:30):
It's amazing, it's amazing.

Speaker 19 (49:31):
They're like the twelfth Man in some way, and they've
been with us every single yeah step of the way
so far.

Speaker 17 (49:37):
So yeah, we're looking forward to the game against Phoenix
as well. So yeah, they've been amazing and just on that.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Not just them, but you know, you can't get a
ticket to this game, you know, completely sold out. They're
you know, sort of being bandied around on trade me
for three and four times. What they're worth. What's it
like being in the eye of this storm, this this
this juggernaut that has been quickly created at Auckland f C.

Speaker 17 (50:00):
Yeah, yeah, it feels very good, feel very privileged.

Speaker 19 (50:03):
Obviously, we've been working really hard on the training field
and in the five games that we've played so far
to be at these games were so many fans around us,
so it's just yeah, it's a pleasure.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Well, we're looking forward to another big game this afternoon,
five o'clock at go Media. Thanks for taking the time
for a chat, Nando. All the best this afternoon.

Speaker 8 (50:20):
Thanks very much, No, thank you, Nando.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Nando Pinaker there out of the Auckland FC side, has
been a pretty important part of their team for the
first five games of this year. Yeah, five clean sheets
and yeah, as I said, it's a team effort. But yeah,
Nando Pinick has been excellent. Good to see him back.
He spent quite a bit of time overseas. Never really
I don't think has kicked on to the ceiling of
his potential. I've always liked Nando Pinker as a player

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and I think if he has a good season here
in the A League, it may well be that he
goes off overseas again, but I'm sure they're loving having
him at go media. Let's get a Wellington Phoenix point
of view now. A couple of days ago I spoke
to Costa Barbarusis, who of course is a big part
of what Wellington Phoenix are all about.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Already three goals for him this season. He was player
of the Year last season.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I spoke to Costa after training on Thursday and talked
about the last two games where the Phoenix have had
two wins, two clean sheets. So how happy has the
team been with the bounce back performances after the loss
in the derby.

Speaker 9 (51:23):
Yeah, pretty happy, to be honest. I think both different
sort of performances. Marina's game. I thought we came out
and we were on the front foot for most of
the game. The victor on probably called for a bit
of a different performance. The time of kickoff and the
weather played a bit into it. So I think we're
trying to be a bit more proactive by the game
sort of played out differently, and you know, it's become

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a bit of a I guess, bit of a not
a blueprint, but what we're known for to dig, dig
when we need to and look to come away against
victory really you know, in away game for both teams,
and to get a clean sheet as I think it's
great and shows that we're still progressing nicely.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
And goals in each of the two games. For you,
that's three now for the season.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
I know you're always all about the team, but you
know how important is it for a striker, you know,
to score goals to help the team.

Speaker 9 (52:19):
Yeah, I mean it's my job at the end of
the day. You know, I can play as well as
I want and think I'm doing a great job for
the team, but people look for goals too. That's just
the fact. And you know, I think what you know,
annoys Man makes me happy at the same time is
that I hardly got a sniff in the vicdeo of game,
but still come up with what the one shot and

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the goal, So you know, look, I'm helping the team.
People don't see.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
It, you know, like you said, a lot of the
other guys make it possible.

Speaker 9 (52:49):
You know, if we don't defend so well, it's to
turn all down through on that and then my goal
means nothing. So no, I'm just happy to do my
job and contribute. I like to help in a lot
of other ways too, But like I said, that's you
know what people look at in.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
The last pass from Marca rohats. How have you found
being back in the same team as a guy who.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
You know you go all the way back with.

Speaker 9 (53:13):
Yeah, I mean I can't wait to see more of them.
I think all the fans everyone's the same. And I
was talking to someone actually the other day. I don't
if anyone else sort of that pick that ball up
that probably doesn't make a chance of it. You know,
he's takes his first up. Chuch perfectly sees that I've
made a double run because the defenders come narrow and
weighed it pretty well. So look, you know, we all

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know Marco and what he's about, so hopefully you can
get back to honestly, anywhere close to his best with
us is more than good enough. So hopefully his legs
are feeling good and up for it and we keep
seeing more and more of them.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Let's talk about this weekend.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
You've played in a lot of a league derby's your
time about victory, your time at Sydney FC, big big
derby games. What is the key to not getting too
carried away before the day arrives.

Speaker 9 (54:03):
It's it's tough one because it's easy to say to
treat it like a normal game, but the way, you know,
not even the young guys or say people are these
days with social media, it's right in your face and
it's very hard to escape. You've just got to keep
level headed as much as possible. There's there's noise, you know,
It's like I said, you can't shy away from it.

(54:25):
But you just need to focus on your job, you know.
I think, you know, I've become quite good at just
zoning in and focusing on on the job at hand.
And I hope the boys are better off for the
for the first game to learn from that. Not that
I think we played badly. I think we did okay,

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but they can learn. And you know, the darbies are
going to be you know, every three, three, four times
a year now, so hopefully each one they get more
experienced and get better at handling it. But it is
genuinely just sticking to the game plan and you know,
keeping focus on your job.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
How much are you're relishing the opportunity to unlock a
defense that has kept five straight clean sheets?

Speaker 9 (55:09):
Yeah, I mean I'd love to be the first one.
Anyone in the team to be honest. Yeah, look, you
know I think they've they've defended for their lives as well.
They've you know, they've done really well. I think you
can see not similarities to us, but the desperation to
keep a clean sheet, which is you know, fair play

(55:30):
to them, but in saying I think you know there's
chances to be made there and yeah, I think we're
good for a few chances and you know, if it comes,
I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
And there's no getting away from the fact that you
both set to players that has know each other pretty well.
I think it was half a dozen augnative players in
the last all white squad with you. Does that add
an extra layer to to a game.

Speaker 9 (55:52):
Like this, Yeah, I mean the first one was played
very closer than international window, but nothing was really said.
I think it's probably a bit touchy. You know, Bays
sort of talk about the ongoings of the week before
when we come into camp, but didn't really mention much,
which you know, fair enough. And look, at the end

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of the day, it's it's bragging rights for us within
here and then once we get together it's not forgotten.
But you know, it's better left unset. But yeah, in
saying that, I'd love to, you know, equal it up
and get one over them.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
It feels like there's just realm listening to other players,
to media this week, and just the general feeling seems
to be a real determination to I don't think even
revenge is the right word, but just to you know,
just to square the ledger, would that be fair?

Speaker 9 (56:41):
I mean, the facts are the top of the table,
so we want to win to close that gap, and
because we want to be there, you know, so as
if that's not motivation enough, and then you add on
that it's a new DrBA, that that there's a lot
of attention and the public's getting around it.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
There's a lot at stake, you know.

Speaker 9 (57:01):
That's why I said, you've got to keep your head
and let the performance take care of yourself, because it's
very easy to get overawed by it all. But we
need to just be on our game because we don't
want to be trailing for the whole year. We want
to be there and then hopefully overtake them soon enough.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
All right, One last stet to finish that I picked
up on goals in December. I'm not sure if you've
seen this one. Bruno thorn Roll, he's got twenty goals
in December. You've got seventeen your second Smells you also
got seventeen when he was playing in the Deep Dark Past.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Why you're so good at Christmas time, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (57:38):
It's probably promising presence. There's goals for people to be honest. Yeah, no,
that's an interesting one. Seventeen Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
It's like, I think.

Speaker 9 (57:51):
It might sound weird, but I like to when the
weather gets warmer, my mentality is to just even when
I'm knaked, just to keep going because I know everyone
else will be tired too. So I think like perseverance wins,
and I know if I make a Ford run and
make ten or twelve, the defender is going to be

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naked and not following me in one. And I don't
know how that ties into December with you, but that's
my mentality going into the warmer months, and maybe it's
because of that.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Well, all the best for the first game of this December,
and thanks for chatting.

Speaker 20 (58:25):
Thanks binding.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
That's cost of Barbarusis. I baffled him with a December stat.
I don't know who comes up with these things. I
saw it online goals in December. Well December has arrived
and for both Wellington Phoenix and Auckland f C, all
roads lead to go Media Stadium this afternoon, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Keen to talks some football on
this Auckland FC fans. Is this run of yours continuing?

(58:51):
Five straight wins, five straight clean sheets? Is it going
to be six from six and no goals conceded by
about seven o'clock this afternoon eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty Wellington Phoenix fans, are you stopping this run and
it's racks this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (59:07):
And how is that going to happen?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
And football fans in general, those of you without any
skin in this game, without any allegiance to either side,
maybe you can be more dispassionate about the whole thing
and just sort of examine this on a fact based basis.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Who have you got winning this game?

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty would love to hear
from you, two of you headed along this afternoon. Twenty
six thousand seats all sold? In fact, it's twenty six thousand,
two hundred and fifty three. They're telling us. Why that
number is relevant? Is that the biggest crowd for a
regular season game up till now is twenty six thousand,

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two hundred and fifty two. That is the number that
turned up for the first Derbi a month ago in Wellington.
So during the week and just the latest installment of
the banter between these two clubs, Nick Becker, the CEO
of Auckland f C, said, we've opened up some more
ticket sales and if we sell them all then we'll
get to t twenty six two five three exactly, one

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more person that was at the last one and therefore
a new record.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Look.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
I don't know how accurate those numbers are. All I
know is there's going to be an absolutely extraordinary atmosphere
this afternoon at go Media Stadium, the port Already the
active support for Auckland FC have made their presence known
Yellow Fever as I understand it, have been allocated nine
hundred seats, nine hundred tickets in their area of go

(01:00:36):
Media So and they've all been snapped up. So there'll
be nine hundred Yellow Fever in their designated zone. But
I wouldn't be at all surprised if around the ground
there are Phoenix shirts, there are Phoenix supporters because Let's
not forget Wellington Phoenix have been coming to Auckland to
play a league football for over a decade. They've been
bringing games here since the twenty twelve to thirteen season

(01:01:00):
and actually have been very successful in doing that. They've
played up here eighteen times and only lost once. But
this afternoon is the first time Wellington Phoenix will play
in Auckland as the away team, so an entirely different dynamic.
But I would say there'll be a number of football fans,
and I've spoken to some of them even in the

(01:01:21):
last twenty four hours or so, who have followed Phoenix
from Auckland, and well, I'm not going to not going
to jump off that bandwagon just because there's now a
team in their city.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Oh eight one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Ten to eighty to Talks on Football one twenty seven
back with your cause right after this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You'd be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
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Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Talks b Bang on one thirty on News Talks the
b from Nick on Text, Jason, this crickets become embarrassing
role on the A League. Yeah, I think that might
be a sentiment shared by a few people around the place.
Nick Raw, I know you've been following football for a while,
particularly the Wellington Phoenix. How are you feeling about this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (01:02:12):
Hey, piny, I'm not the only role in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
You get a lot of ruleies these days.

Speaker 21 (01:02:21):
Look, I thought i'd give you a yell because I
just love it.

Speaker 8 (01:02:23):
And is there cricket on? I didn't know there was
cricket on?

Speaker 16 (01:02:26):
No.

Speaker 21 (01:02:27):
Look, it's just been great for football and I just
wanted to say how excited I am at the fact
that there's a game today, even though I'm a Phoenix fan,
and you know, just having Auckland in the league itself
has done wonders. It's been beyond what we probably could
have imagined in terms of the two games so far
or one game so far in one today. So pretty

(01:02:49):
stoked actually that football is getting this kind of publicity
and this sort of attendance at the grounds.

Speaker 16 (01:02:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
I said to someone this morning that I mean, in
my wildest dreams, I never would have imagined that twenty
six thousand people would turn up to watch a game
between two New Zealand clubs which was a regular season
game and tickets to go and on trade me for
two and three hundred dollars. They would have taken you away,
Roy if you'd suggested that a few years ago.

Speaker 17 (01:03:14):
No, no, would never have dreamed of it.

Speaker 21 (01:03:17):
And of course what this is going to do now
is that, yes, the third game and the derby is
back up in Aukland, but when it's back in Wellington
again next season or even in the playoffs hopefully you.

Speaker 8 (01:03:29):
Never know, then Phoenix will be out to or the
Phoenix fans will be abut to beat that again.

Speaker 21 (01:03:34):
So it's going to create some sort of rivalry amongst
the fans in terms of the crowd numbers as well
as on the football field.

Speaker 17 (01:03:41):
So I think there's going to be a better competition there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
What about the crowds that are turning up though, you know,
you look at the foundation or sorry, the expansion teams
into the league in the last five or six years,
MacArthur Western United. You know they might have attracted early on,
perhaps sort of seven eight thousand, but they've kind of
rested around the three or four thousand mark. For Auckland
to so quickly have galvanized and mobilized this fan base.

(01:04:05):
I mean, I I don't live in Auckland. I know
you don't die either, so I can't really speak to
what's happening in the community. But it just seems incredible,
doesn't it how quickly this has happened.

Speaker 21 (01:04:15):
Oh, it has been phenomenon. And I do know some
Foundation members up there. You know, of course, so the
banter you know, on the phones and the texture in
the game is fast and furious. But yeah, I mean,
like we hoped there wasn't bandwagoners. But what sort of
put that to the test is the fact that, well,
we've had results on the park or Aukland have had

(01:04:36):
results on the park, so they're still around. And the
longer they go, the longer those people become fans, so
they'll turn them and you'll get decent crowds for most
of the season, I would imagine from here, because they're
well into it now. The only thing I'd say, and
I agree with chiefly the Phoenix coach a little bit,
is that the draw that Auckland had has been kind

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and and Phoenix have had three games in Australia away
in one all three, whereas Auckland haven't really had a
game in Australia. I've had one game and that was
in ther Night Round, so it wasn't even MacArthur's home ground.
So you know, I'm waiting for them to get over
there and just you know, play play at Sydney City
or or a Melbourne victory at home or an Adelaide
and just you know, get a true test and then

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we'll get a really good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, good Man, roy A right our prediction.

Speaker 8 (01:05:26):
I said before.

Speaker 17 (01:05:26):
I think two really big defensive teams.

Speaker 21 (01:05:28):
Phoenix really haven't relying on Costa too much from a
damn got that big target man like Oscar Zivada last year.
So you know, I'd like to see Rojas play a
bit more. Hopefully he does get a few more minutes
on the part today. But yeah, I could see the
ending in a draw. But let's let's sneak a goal
for the Phoenix one.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Noil, good Man, right, good to get you is always
might great to catch up. Thanks for cooling and oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty All right, Derek, which
way do you see this one going?

Speaker 20 (01:05:56):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:05:56):
I think it's going to be very tight.

Speaker 10 (01:05:57):
I think Auckland's got home grown advantage, I think, which
they are really believe in. It's but evergult they've only
been there are five games, and I think Italiano was right.
We're lucky in the Sydney game. You know, I didn't
think there's anything wrong with the Sydney goal, But then
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Auckland games
the Aukland goal, so maybe it should have been one way.
But when it goes to Vai Jason, it's a lottery.

(01:06:19):
Sometimes you wonder if the guy behind the who's actually
doing the VA. Sometimes you're wonder if he's ever done
a coaching course or a playing course or a referees
course in his a life. Some of the decisions they
came out with, Oh my goodness, it's just embarrassing to
the game. I think it's in a serious note. I
think it's it's a worldwide I think it's the biggest
problem within the game is VA. I don't think we need.

(01:06:40):
I don't think any team needs. I don't think any
league needs. I certainly don't think the majority of the
supporters like it. But look, I watched the Phoenix go
away from home. I think it was Games Melbourne.

Speaker 8 (01:06:50):
I think they've got a.

Speaker 10 (01:06:51):
Three nil victory.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Mariners. Yeah'm central christ Mariners.

Speaker 10 (01:06:54):
Are the Mariners, that's right, last year's champions and I
thought that was one of the best victories and one
of the best games, and the quality of football and
the quality of the goals I thought was fantastic. Sammy Sutton,
for me, he is one of my favorite players because
he used to play down at I saw him play
down at cdill's father a couple of times when he
was age out seventy eighteen. He was the captain of
that Phoenix reserve team slash youth team or whatever they

(01:07:17):
do that play in the National League and he was
a fantastic Ilways thought he's a fantastic player. But look,
he got a great goal there and he's one of
my favorite players that the game today, I think has
been very exciting, and the fact that the fans that
I'm not going to the game myself. I will be
gone eventually, but at the moment there's a lot of
Johnny come lately.

Speaker 15 (01:07:34):
He's that not.

Speaker 10 (01:07:34):
Hardcore football fans, it has to be said, and they're
enjoying the event, their event watchers, and good on them
for getting out. It's a nice day anyway, so why
not get out and do it. But as a game,
as the season goes on, I think that will veer
off to about ten thy eleven, twelve thousand, and that's
when those are the sort of games I'll more than
likely be shooting up there because that's where you get
hardcore football fans showing up. But look, it's going to

(01:07:55):
be a fantastic game. I really really do think it's
going to be close. I mean, I felt so sorry
for that Phoenix keeper when he made those mistakes in
the first game. But having said that, the kid has
come back and played some Really he's solid football end
goal for the Phoenix, so he's looking like he might
actually be a real good signing. And Italiano would never
have criticized him because that's the way he wants to play.

(01:08:17):
He wants to play out from the back.

Speaker 8 (01:08:19):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
On the other hand, though, I have a look at
the way all can play, and I think a lot
of older, more experienced football fans like that style of
play where they get rid of it. If they're in
trouble in a dodgy area anywhere near the box a
six yard box, they send it along and whilst Poulsen
hasn't any goals in this year, the defense in front
of him has been so well protecting him and the

(01:08:41):
says that he had to make, he's got two hands
to it. You would have expected him to a goalkeeper
of his quality to have made those says. But I
think going forward they don't normally dominate possession. They did
in the last game where they had to. I mean
they had to come late, but most of the time
they haven't. They sat back into their shell to let
the team come out them, and they're fed off mistakes
and they've broken and they've broke them with real purpose

(01:09:03):
down either side. So I think that's once again how
they play. For the contrast between the two teams, the
two styles of teams, it couldn't be any more different
from me, and I think they fit each other quite well.
So I think it's going to be a classic contest
of counter attack and counter attack, possession and feeding a
little bit off the scraps. But I think Auckland liked
to play that way and I think the Phoenix liked
to play that way. So at the end of the day, look,

(01:09:25):
it's all set up because I'm born and bred in Auckland.
I'll left us say I think Auckland by.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
The odd goal.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Good on you, Derek.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Always enjoyed chatting to you mate, Love your analysis of
the beautiful game. So yeah, one nil to Auckland for Derek,
one nil to the Phoenix for Roy. Before that, you
can text your prediction through if you like. Debra says,
pinting my prediction for this game this afternoon, a goal
will be scored against Auckland again, stopping short Deborah of
saying that it will be a winning goal. But you
think that long streak of keeping clean sheets might end

(01:09:55):
this afternoon? Ken says, I can't wait. Going to be
fascinating to see the tactical approach chief e v Corrika
costed a score first for the next two late goals
for Auckland to win it two to one either way.
Brilliant for football in New Zealand, and especially as my
teenage daughter is back for her second straight match and
absolutely loving it. Good stuff, Ken, Look, the crowds have

(01:10:15):
been outstanding. Thirteen thousand in the rain. Last week was
a terrible day against a team that you know, Newcastle,
you know they're not exactly a glamour side. Greeg says
the proof will be when and Falkland start to lose,
we'll see how many come along.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Then.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
It's a really interesting point. You look at the Warriors
last season and I know it's very different from Auckland FC.
They've only been around for this is only their sixth
game ever. The Warrior has been around since nineteen ninety five.
But last year, remember every Warriors game was a sellout
even though they weren't winning. They had discovered the secret
source of people coming along regardless of the result.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
And that has to be more than.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
What happens on the grass, and that has to be
in the thinking of every professional sports team because the
nature of professional sport at any level is you are
going to lose, you are going to go through peaks
and troughs. You can't just rely on the team winning
on the field and therefore people turning up. There has
to be more to it, and Derek alluded to it

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there that a lot of people initially anyway are coming
along because of the event because people in Auckland have
been staffd of top level football for so long. Now
that it's back and as a bonus, the team is
playing well, you know, they're turning up. I think the
team's done excellent job of connecting with its community. They've
said right from the start they want to get out
and get in amongst the football and community of Auckland.

(01:11:40):
I think they've done that from what I can see
on their social media and anecdotally, and the crowds have
turned up. And if they keep on winning then they'll
keep turning up. This afternoon, like I say, twenty six
thousand people turning up, it's a mention before tickets on
trade me for three and four hundred dollars for a
regular season match between two New Zealand football sides. Never

(01:12:02):
thought i'd see the day one. Let's get a breakaway
when we come back. We'res the Tasman Adam Peacock in
his regulars lot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Be coming out sixteen away from two. Big part of
our Saturdays is Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent who joins
US now with Sporting Matters from that side of the ditch.
And I'm going to start with the cricket Second Test
Australia the India in adelaide a pink ball Test Day
Night Test before we talk about what happened on Day
one and Night one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Of you A fan of you, a fan of the
pink ball tests.

Speaker 15 (01:12:41):
Yeah, one one series, I reckon Piney. I wouldn't like
to see two in a best of five series or
two in a best of three. I think it kind
of just has that element where yes, it's good and
it's still very much Test cricket that it brings about
a variable and that's what Test credit should always be.
Whatever the venue, there should be subtle variables every time

(01:13:03):
you play somewhere else, because if it was the product
on the same wickets with the same people, it kind
of get a bit stale. So now, magnificent day yesterday
and a really good one for Australia. We saw eleven
wickets four. I'll be surprised as this goes into day
four this Test. I think things are going to happen
pretty quickly, but very much Australia's day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Indeed, Yeah, Mitchell Stark will be lobbying for more pink
ball tests. Six for forty eight India all out one
to eighty Australia eighty for one. It stumps a really
good day and night's work for Australia. What do you
predict for day two?

Speaker 15 (01:13:37):
Everyone says that the once the ball gets about forty
hour years old, which is I think it's around the
mark now, then it gets a bit softer and if
you're bowling in that first session, you don't get a
little love through the air if the balls are get old.
So Australia, it's a massive, massive session to start for
Australia to push on. If they can't get away from
India in terms of getting setting themselves up to get

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to their total of one hundred and eighty, it's maybe
two or three down. If they're five or six down
and things happen quickly with the second new ball will
then then it's fifty to fifty. Again, that's up to
India what they can do with the bat, and they
showed him the second meeting in Perth they can readjust
quickly from a first innings disappointment. So yeah, I'm not
pull under either way. I'm just saying I'm happy for

(01:14:19):
Australia and really happy for Mit. Stark is a great
guy and bold really well in Perth without reward. Sometimes
he's got his reward yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah, he don't have to prove anything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
But there's a couple of guys in that team who
probably do feel as though they've got a bit to
prove and a bit to play for. Manus Labashane is
one of them. He's a fascinating character, isn't he. I
was watching a bit of a bat last night. How
much pressure do you think he's under for his test spot?

Speaker 15 (01:14:42):
I a guy like Marnus who loves cricket that much. No,
there is no greater pressure than what he's putting on
himself to try and perform. He's not really paying too
much attention to opinion pieces and as it does, it
goes with the territory. I scratched my I had a
bit Test cricketers when they go, oh, you blokes a

(01:15:03):
bag iness of this, that and the other, it's like, no,
the whole country loves test cricket, or a lot of
people do love Test cricket. So there is going to
be an element of criticism when things aren't coming well.

Speaker 10 (01:15:13):
It's just part of it.

Speaker 15 (01:15:16):
But Marcus hasn't said anything. He hasn't said anything like that.
It's all the pressure on himself and he played really
well like he played himself into his innings last night.
They were very very tirpy all of a sudden India
when Marners came to the crease. But he did well
to survive that period and then look to consolidate once
he was in all right, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Look forward to seeing how Day two and Night two
play out other matters around on your side of the testament,
Laurie Daily is new South Wales Blues state of origin coach.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Again.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
He did this job between twenty thirteen and twenty seventeen,
not with great success, just six wins from the fifteen games.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
He oversaw. What was the reaction to this appointment or reappointment?

Speaker 15 (01:15:53):
Yeah, in some course as a head scratcher because he's
been there and you mentioned the record there only one
series win in twenty fourteen. But then the fruit side
is and the Daily supporters, well he was up against
the greatest Thorage inside of all time with slador Kronk Smith,
English etc.

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
Etc.

Speaker 15 (01:16:14):
And to get a series win against that mob was
bordering on a miracle. Like all those players are just
mentioned ag or either in or going into the hall
of Fame, so he's up against it was now New
South Wales have got a really good side. I'm not
saying they've got a team full of Hall of famers,
but they've got guys who won four Premierships, Pendrithy Clearing,

(01:16:34):
Yo Edwards all those guys. So yeah, he's got a
massive opportunity. I see his role more of a manager
if he liked and then that the actual coaching and
tactical input comes from his assistance. So I don't mind
it because he's such a great guy. And it wasn't
as if there were thirteen candidates banging down the door.
It was either him or Matt King, the former Roosters

(01:16:56):
and storm Center.

Speaker 13 (01:16:57):
So yeah, they gave it the loss all right to
the Matilda's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
They had one more game I think even against Chinese Taipeiday.
Back to back games against Brazil, well both of them
were defeats, which was a surprise to me. What's been
made of back to back losses by the Matildas.

Speaker 15 (01:17:13):
Yeah, they're never ending international break for the Matilda's. What
they've done they kind of squaed a bit. They've chosen
very much like a squad filling line up for Chinese Taipei.
There's two games were midway of that they won the
other night in Melbourne, the first game against Chinese Taipei
and then the first the first team is if you like,

(01:17:34):
played against Brazil. Didn't quite go their way. Look again
without Steph Catley, little Nigel Mary Fowl wasn't his and
curse still coming back. So some of our best, but
it does show that the world, the world is evolving
in women's football and Brazil played this dynamic counter attacking
game and that they're hard to stop, specially in transition,

(01:17:54):
a lot of power, a lot of pace, and we
couldn't deal with it in big moments. So that's the
task for the next manager. Tom Somana, who you know
from his time with New Zealand. He has said he's
not taking a full time job. He's very much the interim.
So now it's over to FA to see who's going
to manage this team and take them forward because there's
a lot to do in a short amount of time.

(01:18:15):
All of a sudden, so the Asian Cups around the
corner and then after that it's another World Cup and
I'd be very surprised at this stage.

Speaker 8 (01:18:21):
Happy to be.

Speaker 15 (01:18:22):
Proven wrong, very surprised that the until has come up
with another semi final appearance at a World Cup based
on what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
All right, interesting times ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Just before you go staying with football, we've got a
key we derby over the side of the Tasman this
afternoon in just a couple of hours actually, Auckland FC,
Wellington Phoenix. I'm not sure whether you've been keeping an
eye on our two A League teams got to pick
for us.

Speaker 15 (01:18:43):
Yeah, well it's hard to go past it all done
and Steve Corriker, it's an amazing way to respond to
give in being shown the door at Sydney where he's
a club legend and come up with that. But I
do know how much work and you know as well
finding how much work Aukland FC you've done behind the scenes.
I've got Terry mc flinn involved, another form of Sydney
FC person and the right front off for staff to

(01:19:05):
kind of get to going in the right direction to
get the fans through the gate.

Speaker 8 (01:19:08):
And they've done so well.

Speaker 15 (01:19:09):
In saying all that, I've just got a feeling in
the game like this that well I can pick.

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
Cut up with something.

Speaker 15 (01:19:13):
So they've got the weapons don't they. So yeah, I'll go,
I'll go the upset, I'll go. I'll go well into
the tipe one something like two to one. But what
I do know is going to be a great occasion.
I'm fortunately going to be on a golf course or
fortunately for me, unfortunately for my football viewing habits, but
I will be catching catching up with it because this
is exactly what the A League needs. It's what it's

(01:19:34):
had over this side of the country, this side of
the Tasman not that long ago. It seems to have
just warphed it away a little with Derby's and the
like not selling out. This hopefully gives it a bit
more pop and yeah, great occasion.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Yeah, well, I'll keep an eye on it for you,
Adam shall I'll keep an eye on it over here.

Speaker 15 (01:19:51):
Yeah yeah, if you can give me a light up.
You're not very busy during the game, so because a
couple of what that message is, what's going on, they'll
be good.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Good on you make great to ten us always. We'll
do it again next s howurday.

Speaker 15 (01:20:02):
Have a good call, Thanks Bonnie.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Now, thank you Adam. Adam Peacock.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
There our Australian correspondent around this time every Saturday afternoon,
nine away from two. They're back out there at the
Basemin Reserve as England continued their second innings and have
continued along fairly safely since the lunch adjournment. They're through
to one hundred and no exactly one hundred, one hundred
for one in their second innings. That's a lead of
two hundred and fifty five runs at the crease. Ben

(01:20:27):
Duckett forty two unbeaten and Jacob Bethel who's very quickly
got through to forty nine not out of fifty one balls.
This young number three. I don't think he's ever got
a first class hundred. Jacob Bethel, he was sort of
brought in last week against expectation to bat at number
three down in christ Church's got a fifty to nine
in the second innings as England won that one by

(01:20:48):
eight wickets, approaching his second Test fifty hour and just
as second Test. So another player from England who seems
to be flourishing meantime, and amongst it all Brandon mccullums
just sitting up on the balcony watching it all play out.
He never has a notebook, he never has a phone,
he never has an iPad. He never seems to have
anything to take notes with. He just sits there and

(01:21:08):
watches the cricket. What a what A what a coach
he's been and he's about to take over as their
white ball coach as well. Inducted into the New Zealand
Cricket Hall of Fame last week or in the week
has been. Got a quick chat with Brendan mcallum after
that happened, actually, so I'll play that for you after
two o'clock, seven and a half away from two newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
EB analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting
world weekends for it with Jason Vive.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
They call eight hundred and eighty eight News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Coming up four away from two after two o'clock. In
case you missed it, Ana Gramaldi is on the show
as well. Paralympic gold medalist in the two hundred meters
in Paris in the last couple of months. She's going
to join us to reflect on that. We'll keep you
up to date with the cricket as well planket Shield.
Just before we go to the news. Three games happening
around the place in Mount Monganui, Northern District's one hundred

(01:21:58):
and eleven for three batting first against cd Otago all
out for one hundred and seventeen against Canterbury at Rangiorda,
Zach Folks five fo for cant Canterbury and Auckland at
Eden Parks out are Oval batting first against Wellington one
hundred and thirty four for two. Shawn Soley has brought
up his fifty. Mark Chapman's out there as well, looking
to build on the big double one hundred he got
last time out. So Auckland going along nicely one thirty

(01:22:22):
four for two against Wellington and in the Test match
looks to me like Jacob Bethel might have just brought
up as fifty. Yes, indeed he has one hundred and
three for one. England one oh three for one in
their second innings.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after fields, It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason
Payde on your home of Sports Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Hello and welcome back into the show, or welcome into
the show. Two oh seven the time. I'm Jason Pine.
This is Weekend Sport until three. Then the Weekend Collective
Saturday edition with Tim Beveridge is out there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Beavering away.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Well, actually that's not quite true. He is out there
though I can see him. He's here, he's presence and correct.
He's on the radio after three before we get to
Tim Beveridge. Of course, another hour of sport for you.
Will keep an eye on the base from reserve where
England at one hundred and fifteen for one now in
their second innings. Ben Duckett has just brought up his
half century, So one hundred and fifteen for one England

(01:23:24):
in their second innings. That now is a lead of
two hundred and seventy over New Zealand after we were
bowled out for one twenty five this morning and rather
disappointing fashion. So what England's approach to this will be
will be very interesting. They could, if they continue along
this way of scoring sort of five and a half
six and over, be four hundred clear by not much

(01:23:47):
after tea. So would they potentially potentially consider declaring later
on today? It seems incredible to think that the Test
would be that far advanced on just the second day,
but that's the way that England play their Test cricket
these days, so we'll keep an eye on that for you. Also,
this hour three of the inductees into New Zealand Crickets
Hall of Fame, the inaugural inductees that were unveiled on Thursday.

(01:24:11):
We'll hear from Emily Drumm, from Debbie Hockley and from
Brendan McCallum this time tomorrow. Incidentally, Sir Richard Hadley is
on the show also this hour.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
We'll get you back to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
The basin and we hope to catch up with the
Barmie Army's trumpeterer. You've seen, I'm sure or heard the
trumpet as part of the Barmie Army. They have amazing
support wherever they go, the England cricket team and the
trumpeterer is a bloke by the name of Simon Finch.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
We've got his number. We're going to give it a crack.
I don't know where.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
There are ants of the phone being on the bank
watching his team smash us to all parts.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
But you never know, you never know. Your cause and
correspondents continue to be welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine
two for a text and Anna Grimaldi standing by to
chat with us as well. Paralympic gold medalist in Paris
earlier this year. But as we always do about this
time on weekend sport, it is time to catch you
up with some of the things perhaps that you might
have missed, some of the things that have happened in the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Last little while that you know you haven't caught up with.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
We call it in casimistic Starting with Test cricket and
Adelaide career best figures for Mitchell Stark helping give Australia
the upper hand after Day one of the second cricket
Test against India.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Well, it's read up for a start only as far
as mid Off had it's taken. He wanted to go
orber that in eged was.

Speaker 18 (01:25:41):
Raped dendor fire enough and mid Stark gets another.

Speaker 7 (01:25:46):
Six for forty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Makes it career best for mid Stark and.

Speaker 10 (01:25:50):
News to see he hasn't got absolutely beautifully today India's
resistance is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Auber, absolutely brilliant from Mitchell Stark. He took six for
forty eight with the pink ball. India bowled out for
one hundred and eighty and there was a new meaning
for crickets often heard bad light freight yet hello, someone's
following his kip run electricity.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
And Adelaide's from ut today a lot of their conditions
on it, so we love to wed.

Speaker 9 (01:26:16):
It's the first for me that a test matches be
not God because the lads are gone.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Yeah, the lights went out Adelaide oval management blaming and
internal switching issue. After the floodlights went out, play briefly
stopped twice in a matter of minutes during the final session.
Only the smaller lights in the grandstands remained on. Thousands
of spectators switched on the torches on their phones. Apparently
Australia eighty six for one. It stumps to be already

(01:26:39):
within one hundred runs of a first innings lead drama
in practice for Formula Ones season ending Abu Abu Dhabi
Grand Prix, and here.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
Is some breaking news for you. This is not good
news for Ferrari.

Speaker 22 (01:26:54):
In the battle for the Constructors Championship, chols Leclair finishes
fastest but they had to change the battery pack on
his car.

Speaker 7 (01:27:04):
It's a taen place grid penalty.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Incredible for charl Leclair.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
But Aliam Lawson twelfth fastest in practice one and eleventh
fastest in practice two. And in Football's A League, Melbourne
City started Round seven with a bang against Brisbane at
SUNCRP last night.

Speaker 18 (01:27:21):
This is Van Massio and Steven your garcoch behids the
I sing on the cake for Melbournt City. Stephen your
garcavents for this third goal.

Speaker 8 (01:27:34):
Of the season.

Speaker 18 (01:27:36):
And city have four at SOCOD.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
You be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty to eighty
Weekend Sport with Jason Hin and GJ. Garvnerholmes, New Zealand's
most trusted home builder News Talks V.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Twelve minutes past two on Weekend Sport. It is an
enormous pleasure to welcome back to the show. Three time Paralympian,
three time Paralympic champion, gold medalist for New Zealand in
the T forty seven two hundred meters in Paris this year,
to go with bronze and the T forty seven one
hundred meters and the back to back gold medals she

(01:28:13):
won in the T forty seven long jump in Rio
and Tokyo. It is, of course, Anna Grimaldi and I
wonderful to get the chance to catch up with you
and reflect on what happened in Paris. If someone had
suggested to you before the Paralympic Games that you would
win gold in the two hundred meters in an Oceania
record of twenty four point seventy two seconds, while chopping

(01:28:35):
over a second off your personal best.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
What would your reaction have been to that?

Speaker 23 (01:28:42):
Yeah, I think I'm sorry about this a line. If
someone had seen you coming home from Paris with the gold,
I would have said, I would have thought it was
in the long jump, like it was not. It wasn't
really on my radar to be winning the two hundred.
I thought maybe we had a good shot at doing okay,
And Yesina Sina crazy like whiplash actually because the least

(01:29:05):
the long jump didn't go so well, and then coming
away with sort of the goal, but like in a
completely definitely mean it was. It was incredible some things.
I'm just blown away by the time, and that I
was able to step up like the two races in
the same day and run quick at both races. And yeah,

(01:29:26):
I don't know, I'm just really proud. That's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
You should be proud. It was an amazing achievement.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Didn't you drop the two hundred from your program for
a while after you got a fracture in your foot
or something back in twenty seventeen, Yeah, in twenty campaign.

Speaker 23 (01:29:40):
I was right after where I was having a bit
of trouble. It was my first time.

Speaker 5 (01:29:45):
We sort of pushed on through it.

Speaker 23 (01:29:46):
We had World Champs and London and I did the
heats of the of the two hundred meters, was up
first and I ran and I hobbled off the track.
I couldn't even walk, and we had to withdraw from
the two hundred finals in the one hundred and try
and sellbadge it for the long dump. And when I
got home, we sort of decided, like, something's got to

(01:30:07):
given this program. There's too many things that Ben's putting
a lot of pushure on my foot, which was flimsy,
and found out I was actually when I got home, and.

Speaker 14 (01:30:16):
So yeah, I just put it on.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
I put it out of my mind.

Speaker 23 (01:30:19):
Actually I really liked running the two, but it just
I had to. I had to, you know, set to
find something to keep the program going and to get
healthy again. And so I just actually never thought that
even a running again. And then we thought I saw
were the final from the stands at World Chance last
year and miss my coach and I was like, oh,

(01:30:41):
this race has just been ran. I just watched it.
I think we could do that, we need to have
a discussion about it, and he's like, oh, he already
talked to a couple of people about maybe doing the
two hundred a game, so we were all on the
same page. And I think, yeah, it just felt like
this big, full circle moment, like I finally trusted my

(01:31:02):
body again and what it could do, and then it
was strong and yeah, I think I entered the two hundred.
To me, I think in Paris, you know, it was
just a personal project to see maybe a direction we
might want to go after the Games, and yeah, to
have it work out so well, it's so yeah, incredible, amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
So in the long jump you were fourth, just off
the podium the event you won golden in the last
two Games. How do you reflect on the long jump
in Paris?

Speaker 23 (01:31:34):
Yeah, look, it's hard, and I think I'm still in
the process of sort of processing it all actually, And
I think for so long, I think if I had
come forth in Tokyo, I think I would have that
would have devastated me. And I think it's a big
testament to the work we've done over the last three

(01:31:56):
years to now be able to come away from Paris
and go, you know, what like, I'm I'm still a
two time Parallemic champion in the long jump.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
I'm still.

Speaker 23 (01:32:08):
Really great at long jump. I just had a bad
day out there. I just couldn't get it together, and
these days happened, and unfortunately mine was the one day
and the four years. You don't want it to go wrong,
And yeah, I'm obviously still a bit guffed, like I
wanted to put my best foot forward there and I
just couldn't do it. But I think it's just, yeah,

(01:32:31):
it's been nice knowing that the work we've done around
identity and sort of finding Anna away from the Golds
has obvious played a big part of being able to
recover from the four from the long jump and coming forth.
And yeah, it just makes me really proud that I

(01:32:54):
still feel like I'm a champion, regardless of how this
one wins. I think for so long I was worried
if I didn't keep doing it, you know, for some reason,
it just makes the other ones less valid. That's not
true at all, And I think it's nice to have
now gone through that and really.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Felt that that's awesome insight, amazing insight.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
Did it feel you in any way for the two
hundred though, you know, not getting on the podium in
the long job.

Speaker 23 (01:33:22):
I think I approached this campaign like every event was
totally separate, because to me, they are all quite separate.
Like one hundred is something I'm not still not particularly
like confident about, but I wanted to and we've done
a lot of work on my start and I and
speed over the last year and a burth and the

(01:33:43):
long jumps obviously the one I usually feel the most
comfortable and confident, and then I just didn't enough time.
But then that two hundred was really about exploring, well,
what can I do, what can my body do? And
how fast can we run? So I think I just yeah,
it was it did feel me And I think I
actually spending at a time on social media that after

(01:34:07):
the long jump, the morning, the evening before, the before
the two hundred, and just saw like the amount of
people who really shared they went out to the way
to write a really time comment of seeing the message,
and I wasn't actually accepting that. I sort of thought, oh,
this was blow away so on all of like paying
the attention, and it was really nice to know that

(01:34:27):
people cared what I was doing and regardless of how
well I did and I think that really feeled me
as well, like knowing that people wanted to support me
and me not just my achievements as well. I think
that was a really big thing for me.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Well, you're already achieved a place on the podium in
the T fort a bronze pbe new Oceania record. How
pleased were you with the one hundred?

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:34:55):
I was very happy.

Speaker 11 (01:34:56):
I think.

Speaker 23 (01:34:59):
Before the Games, I think like these there were those
doubts that creep in, going like, oh God, I'm not
going to be shaped b for being, you know, and
I want to be. And then for me, they're not
necessarily based on anything, like they just occur, those.

Speaker 10 (01:35:13):
Thoughts and they're not backed up by actual facts or the.

Speaker 23 (01:35:17):
Evidence wasn't actually showing that. But for me, I didn't
actually realize. I think I was still a bit worried
about how I was going to be able to race
and if I was going to be able to be
in the top shape I could be, and we just
were a bit unaware of how fast I probably could
run and that I'm just really happy that it happened
on the day and then I was able to back

(01:35:38):
it up as well and run quicker in the final
later in the day. Yeah, I was overjoyed, I think.
And it does actually take a bit of pressure off
the long jump, I think as well, like it doesn't
all right on the one event, and I did appreciate
that as well at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
So are you now a sprinter who also does long
jump or are you still a long jumper who does
a bit of sprinting.

Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
Yeah, being part of.

Speaker 23 (01:36:04):
The processome sort of processing at all, I think trying
to figure that outswer out. It's I think just the
best part about this journey to running the two hundred
basically is actually just falling in love with running again.

Speaker 11 (01:36:20):
It's not something that I.

Speaker 23 (01:36:22):
Ever really loved or felt that good at. And I
think now I've got that confidence to be like, yeah
I am a splinter, and yeah I am good at it,
and I think that's that's nice. It's what I don't
know which which even comes first in the introductions anymore.
I'm not sure we're still workshopping, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
So have you committed to another Olympic cycle?

Speaker 23 (01:36:46):
Yeah, yeah, I am planning on going to law eight.
So yeah, I'm really excited. I think I shouldn't. I
definitely thought Paris would be my last game if I
made it that far, because I really wasn't enjoying it.
I was consumed with nerves and I just wasn't enjoying
showing up to training everything. And that's really a great

(01:37:07):
place to lead a campaign from. And yeah, it's been
incredibly it's been incredible to like sit over the last over,
you know, the games, and go, I can't wait to
play the next four years. Like I'm not done yet.
I'm excited. It feels like a new chapter in my career,
which is incredive. It's insane to say that, you know,

(01:37:29):
I've been doing up a tenion now I've done three games,
but it does feel like a new chapter. And that's
always it's always exciting you even know like where it
take you, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Indeed, just my final question, you were also selected as
one of New Zealand's flag bearers for the opening ceremony
with Cameron Lesley in Paris. How special moment was that
for you?

Speaker 23 (01:37:49):
That was incredible, That made my whole Games campaign before
it had even begun. Yeah, it was incredibly humbly and
I'm really emotional to be asked, I think, to be
seen in a position where it sort of takes into
account your your achievements, but also you are a per
and I'm just incredibly humbled to be given the opportunity

(01:38:10):
to represent the team and lead them out. And me
and Cam both spoke about how like carrying the flag
is not necessarily the most you know, the thing that
you think of that will enhance your performance, because we
see it's a late night, you're on your feet a lot,
and you can quite a bit in the lead up
to your campaign. But for both of us, it was

(01:38:32):
about a bit more than just that. I think it
was just sort of a nod to us as athletes
and that we want to enjoy what we're doing, and
that we chose to do that because us as people
wanted to And I think it's going to be one
of the highlights of my career.

Speaker 10 (01:38:48):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
Well, you gave us some wonderful moments in Paris, says
you did in Tokyo and in Rio, and thanks so
much for talking to us and reminiscing a little bit.
I hope you have a nice summer break and we'll
look forward to to seeing what the next four years.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Hold for you.

Speaker 23 (01:39:02):
Yes, I'm I'm excited.

Speaker 17 (01:39:03):
We know it too, So yeah, thank you, thank xamly no,
thanks for you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
Is Anna a pleasure to have you on board. Anna
Grimaldi there so a gold medalist for New Zealand in
the T forty seven two hundred meters in Paris Ford
to here how that all played out, and great to
hear as well that Anna Grimaldi has committed to the
next Paralympic cycle, which will lead her to the Paralympic
Games in Los Angeles in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Quick check on the.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
Cricket at the base in reserve England one hundred and
thirty five for one in their second innings as the
wall is smashed through the covers and heads out towards
the boundary and hits it now so one thirty nine
for one, one hundred and thirty nine for one England
in their second innings. That's a lead of two hundred
and ninety four runs now Earlier on today, New Zealand,

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resuming at eighty six for five, were bowled out for
one hundred and twenty five, including Gus Atkinson taking the
fifteenth Test hat trick for England. With the last three
wickets he got Nathan Smith chopping on, then Matt Henry
fending to gully where it was taken by Ben Duck
and then Tim Southey, who was batting number eleven because

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Will O'Rourke had gone and earlier as a night watchman
out first ball lbw so Gars Atkinson a hat trick
to finish the innings four for thirty one. Brighton Cass
who picked up the wicket of Tom Blundell today with
an absolute corker of a delivery for sixteen, finished with
four for forty six, so New Zealand all out one

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twenty five. England have already gone past that in their
second innings one hundred and thirty nine for one, Ben
Duck at sixty one not out, Jacob Bethel sixty four
not out. They are going at over five and a
half and over in their second innings and as I say,
it is a lead now of approaching three hundred runs
with plenty of time still to play. Let's not forget

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this is only day two at the base in reserve
and we haven't even got to tea on day two,
so the cricket Test is advancing before our eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Two twenty five.

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
It is on news talks said, be you're gonna take
a break when we come back, We'll stay with cricket
because on Thursday night the first eleven inductees into New
Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame were unveiled. Had a chance
to be at the special unveiling function, which was a
really special occasion. Had a chat to a couple of
the inductees. We'll hear from them when we come back
here at News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
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Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
Two twenty eight on News Talks HEBB, Glenn Phillips is
into the attack in Wellington. You remember, of course that
in last year's Test match in Wellington against Australia, Glen
Phillips picked up five wickets in the second inning, so
let's hope he can do something similar here. As England
move on to one hundred and forty four for one,
a lead of two ninety nine, so approaching that three
hundred run lead with Bethel and Duckett together both unbeaten

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in the sixties. As I mentioned before the break during
the week on Thursday night, in fact, the first eleven
inductees into the New Zealand Cricket Hall of Fame were
revealed at a very special function at the the base
In Reserve at the New Zealand Cricket Museum at the
Basin Reserve, and the eleven inductees were Bert Sutcliffe, John Reid,

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Jackie Lord, Trish mcelvey, Glenn Turner, Sir Richard Hadley, Debbie Hockley,
Martin Crowe, Emily Drumm, Daniel Vittori and Brendan McCallum. A
couple of those players obviously have since passed on, but
they were all represented either themselves or by members of
their families. It was a really lovely ceremony inducting the

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first eleven into the Hall of Fame. Annually more players
will be added, and I guess there'll be debate over
the next inductees or whether there should have been some
players inducted this time around in the first eleven who weren't.
But those are the eleven. Debbie Hockley, as I mentioned,
was one of them. Nineteen test matches, she scored thirteen

(01:42:55):
hundred runs at an average of fifty four centuries seven
half centuries, a top score of one hundred and twenty
six not out against Australia. Was the New Zealand women's
team captain in six Tests and twenty seven One Day
Internationals and all she played one hundred and eighteen One
Day international scoring over four thousand runs at an average

(01:43:15):
of forty two. She was the first woman to eclipse
four thousand ODI runs and also the first to play
in one hundred one Day Internationals. One of our great
players and one of the inductees into the New Zealand
Cricket Hall of Fame. I spoke to DeBie Hockley briefly
after the ceremony and asked how special it was for her.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Yeah, actually, Jason, it's pretty amazing really.

Speaker 24 (01:43:36):
I mean, as I mentioned earlier, you know, I've had
amazing things happened to me, probably since I finished my
playing career. Some of them sort of individual things, like
say when I was in dated it into the ic
sne All of Fame, and when I became New Zealand president.
But to be part of this, you know, inaugural first eleven,

(01:43:56):
when I look at the names of the people, I'm
standing here with you and we're looking at the photos
on the walls around here, and I'm just thinking, God,
I'm in the same and the same room as like
John Reed, Bertzyckliff.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
Richard Reserve.

Speaker 24 (01:44:09):
Richer doesn't matter because I know him so well anyway,
but even you know, the likes of Jackie Laud, who
I think is you know, I'm so thrilled that she
has been because her stats are phenomenal, Trish mccolvey and
two of my heroes Betting Emily Drummond, Martin crow bless Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Crowe, but his sister Debs here and it's it's really
hard to explain next laps.

Speaker 24 (01:44:35):
It's a it's a very very special thing, the likes
of probably which I haven't experienced before.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
Oh, that's so well articulated. What about being here at
the Basin Reserve. I mean, there are a lot of
wonderful cricket grounds upon which you have done a lot
of wonderful things. How do you reflect on your time
playing cricket at the Basin Reserve?

Speaker 24 (01:44:53):
Well, probably my best effort at the Basin Reserve, I
think was making really good tasted sandwiches. Because I don't
know that I ever had really really good scores here,
but the tasted sandwich it was excellent. It probably wasn't
a particularly happy hunting ground for us here at the Basin.
But I was looking at the photo they've got me

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in the Hall of Fame here and it's actually here.

Speaker 7 (01:45:18):
At the Basin Reserve holding the World.

Speaker 24 (01:45:20):
Cup yes in two thousand, which I had tried five
times to win. Finally got my hands on the blimming
thing and so that fada was taken at the Basin.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
So that's probably my most special memory of the Basin.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
And the other great thing about this is that you're
the initial inductees, but.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Annually you're going to be joined by many, many more of.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
Your countrymen and women who have excelled in cricket as well.
But as a foundation member, I guess you'll always be
in the first eleven, even though you'll probably harm that
sort of thing off debbit.

Speaker 14 (01:45:49):
That's true, That's quite true.

Speaker 24 (01:45:50):
I mean, you can you know, it's you can only
ever have the very first thing of something once, if
that makes sense to you.

Speaker 7 (01:45:58):
And I think I feel I just feel.

Speaker 24 (01:46:02):
Like, I don't know, it's all the cliches, like you
feel honored and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
Very privileged to be part of it.

Speaker 24 (01:46:09):
But also when I thought late during this week, when
I've thought about it in some ways it allows you
to think, well, you've actually.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Done something quite cool over year years.

Speaker 24 (01:46:18):
You know, you've not been too shabby as a player,
and that's actually very nice to reflect Ozweale and to
be acknowledged. There's the other thing, just to be acknowledged
by someone else, you know, to be part of this
first even us, it's very cool.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
That's Debbie Hockley who was one of the initial inductees,
as was Emily Drumm, who became the first New Zealand
cricketer to captain a World Cup winning side after New
Zealand's a memorable four run win against Australia at the
Bertsucklov Oval. In the year two thousand, she played in
five Tests and in the last two produced scores of
one hundred and sixty one not out and sixty two

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not out against Australia at christ Church and sixty two
and one hundred and twelve not out against England at Guildford.
Her unbeaten one hundred and sixty one against Australia was
a New Zealand women's Test record at the time. She
also played one hundred One Day internationals for her country,
reaching fifty on twenty one occasions and twice going on
to make a century. So Emily Drum was another in

(01:47:18):
du d into the Hall of Fame. I spoke to
her about how special it was for her to be
recognized this way.

Speaker 12 (01:47:24):
It's incredibly special. You played a life of cricket. You
played for a long time in terms of your career,
but when you think it's over, you can put your
feet out and then suddenly this comes around you like, Okay,
this is just something new and special, and you feel
like a part of a family, and it's it's an

(01:47:45):
US in cricket family and I being privileged to be
involved in many things post cricket, but this is really special.
I'm incredibly proud of my family.

Speaker 14 (01:47:54):
Are as too.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
When the citations are read out, and just the achievements
of all of you, but yours in particular. It seems
like you've got runs every time you're bad it. How
do you reflect on your international cricket career.

Speaker 12 (01:48:07):
I was just talking about that recently with someone, and
sometimes I don't think I appreciated what I did do
in my time in the Black Jersey US goes in
fifteen years, the game's become a little fuzzy and you
don't remember some of the maybe the mediocre games, but
you certainly remember the highlights. And yeah, there's some big

(01:48:28):
Test innings in there. And I certainly had a ball
with the red ball, you could say, and white ball
was probably our bread and butter, and we didn't play
as man Test matches. I'm proud of everything I did
for my country, and to be.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
In this group is incredible.

Speaker 12 (01:48:45):
We've got the greats of the game that played for
New Zealand, both men and women, and you kind of
have to think, how did I manage to make the eleven?
So it's a special honor and something that I will
remember and my family will remember and enjoy.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
For what it's worth.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
Well, you're well and truly worth your place. Can I
ask you about the World Cup win? How often do
you think about that?

Speaker 7 (01:49:07):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:49:08):
I prefer to think about the most recent one, to
be fair, because that's incredible spit. I still have to
punch myself to remind myself that that actually happened only
a few months ago if that. But well, look, we
think about it a lot. And I was just talking
to one of the girls and just the moments that
you remember are not necessarily the trophies, but it's the

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times after you win the trophies, because that's what it's
all about, and you look at each other and our
eye you say we did it, We finally did it.
And to climb that ever us to get to the
top and say that you've won that the biggest trophy
of all at that time. It doesn't get much better
than that. But it's just one of the peaks that
I had of my career. But I'm just so delighted

(01:49:54):
for the recent crop to get that enjoyment. And you'll
never ever surpass it. That first time will always be
the best time, and I would love if they could
do it again. But man, that's just been the greatest
thing in recent times for the this game.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
That's Emily dram another inductee and finally from the ceremony
on Thursday night, Brendan McCallum, captain, who led New Zealand
out of the Doldrooms to establish itself by the time
he retired as one of the best teams in the world.
Along the way, he started in various roles, scoring New
Zealand's first triple century and Test matches of course, at
one point and the fastest century and Test history of

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fifty four balls at another. Under his leadership, New Zealand
reached the World Cup Final for the first time in
twenty fifteen and went thirteen consecutive home Test matches without
a defeat. Brendan McCullum was the first cricketer to play
in one hundred consecutive Tests from his debut. He was
there Thursday night as well. Of course he's here as
coach of the England cricket team. I congratulated him and

(01:50:50):
asked him what it meant to be recognized this way.

Speaker 20 (01:50:52):
Ah, thank you, Biner. Yet obviously it's amazing. It's very
humbling and any you look around the fellow inductees into
the first seven, all the faming you sit back in
to go crikey. I'm not sure I should be here,
but that's a I guess there was room for one
slogger in this. It was nice to be as nice
to be able to get the selection of us. Honestly,

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it's incredibly humbling. You know, I grew up wanting to
play cricket for my country and I would have played
one Test to play it as long as I didn't
to have any impact to oserver. It was pretty amazing
and I feel incredibly grateful for it, But to be
honest in the way that we have been tonight is
really humbling and a great feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:51:30):
You've had a lot of cricket balls and a lot
of cricket grounds around the world, but it's the base
and a little bit special for you because of that
three zero two.

Speaker 20 (01:51:36):
Yeah, definitely, I think, you know, I think what it
meant for the country and those that support New Zealand cricket,
and then obviously the journey that we've been on with
Martin Crow's, the late great Martin Crows two nine nine,
and then for someone to have got over that hurdle,
and then to see how much it meant to the
packed house that day as well. It is a significant

(01:51:59):
sort of place for me and I've had some really
special memories here and not always your own memories.

Speaker 8 (01:52:04):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:52:04):
I remember times with bowl teams out and have famous
test winds here that you've been a part of, and
other guy's being successful and it's just a great grounded
players so unique in its own way, and so to
see the home of the New Zealand Cricket Museum and
as it really is the HQ of New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Cricket and you repinc us quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
Now after tonight back into your day job of coaching
the England side, you're looking forward to the next five days.

Speaker 20 (01:52:28):
Yeah, well that's just slight irony and the whole thing
as a sort of Obviously, tomorrow we go to Battle
and I'm trying to find ways for our England boys
to hopefully take it to no lead in the series.
But now I really looked forward to I thought the
first Test match was it was a lot closer than
what the March and looked on paper. I think if
the Zelm were the whole, their catches and it would

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have been a little bit different and they would have
put us under a.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
Lot of pressure.

Speaker 20 (01:52:51):
So we know that we're realistic with the standards that
we need to meet and make sure that we go
there and still play the style that gives.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Us our best chance.

Speaker 20 (01:52:58):
And I think it's going to be a ripping Test
match and I'll be well attended and hopefully you see
a tight victory one way or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
So so congrats on this bet. It's great to see it.

Speaker 20 (01:53:10):
Thanks Brian, you too, cheers mate.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
That is our Brenda McCallum, who was inducted on Thursday
night as well, and then, as I mentioned to him,
got into his day job, which is coaching this England
cricket team. I said, I hope you enjoy the next
five days. I'm not sure this is going five days.
England one hundred and sixty for one now in their
second innings. Already Ben Duckett and Jacob Bethell have brought
up their one hundred and fifty run partnership. Duckett currently

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seventy two not out, Jacob Bethel seventy four not out,
so at one hundred and sixty for one. That is
now a lead of three hundred and fifteen runs for England,
with still nine second innings wickets in hand. It's coming
up twenty to three. In fact, we'll stay with a cricket.
We'll get you to the basin next we hope to
catch up with the Barmi Army's Trumpet Tea and also
our own Andrew Alderson before three o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
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Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Dogs NB sixteen Away from three, Let's get you to
the basement reserve where they're taking drinks at the moment
to get you onto the bank. And amongst the Barmie
Army enter Finchie Simon Finch, the Barmie Army trumpeterier have
you got us their funcie?

Speaker 7 (01:54:20):
Hello, I'm here Cura cure.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
You too, mate? How did you acquire the role of
Barmie Army trumpeterea?

Speaker 16 (01:54:29):
Ah?

Speaker 8 (01:54:30):
What did I do?

Speaker 16 (01:54:31):
Right?

Speaker 22 (01:54:31):
So I've been a massive cricket fan, England fan, particularly
since I was a kid, and I knew that I
had a trumpet player called Bill Cooper, and I thought, oh,
you know, he's got the best gig in the world.
And then it was he was announced on the radio
and television he was going to step down. So I
just thought, ah, there's an opening. So I made my
move and I sent an email to barmiearmy dot com
saying who I was.

Speaker 16 (01:54:52):
I was always already a professional trumpeton so I just said, yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:54:56):
I've played with all these people. I'm a bit good,
so what would you reckon? And we had a meeting
and that was it. And then I tried me out
and they're like what they heard and the rest his history.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
So how long ago was there?

Speaker 22 (01:55:10):
That would have been twenty twenty early twenty twenty, but
unfortunately COVID got.

Speaker 16 (01:55:14):
In the way, didn't it for about a year.

Speaker 22 (01:55:16):
So then I did my first live in the stadium
performance was actually against New Zealand tot Eshbuston in twenty
twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
Do you feel and on your debut did you feel nervous?
Did you feel like there was a bit of a pressure,
you know, pressure on you? Is the new Barmi Army
trumpeter at that time?

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:55:36):
Hell, I mean how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:55:37):
I mean loads of pressure. It's bizarre.

Speaker 22 (01:55:39):
Like I've been a professional trumpet plat for over thirty
years based in London, and I've played with some big names.

Speaker 7 (01:55:44):
I've headlined Glastonbury.

Speaker 16 (01:55:46):
With Florence and Machine.

Speaker 22 (01:55:47):
I've played I've done the Rod Laver with Blur, I've
done I've played Splendor in the Grass in Australia.

Speaker 16 (01:55:52):
I've done all sorts of things all over the world.

Speaker 22 (01:55:54):
But I've never felt as nervous as I did that
morning playing Jerusalem for the first time the Army.

Speaker 16 (01:56:00):
It was quite like it was something else.

Speaker 4 (01:56:02):
Yeah, it's pretty iconic, the playing of Jerusalem early on
on each morning of a Tears match. Apart from the
staples like there, are you always looking to increase the repertoire.

Speaker 16 (01:56:14):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:56:15):
Always, yeah, particularly when there's one of it.

Speaker 22 (01:56:17):
I mean we have to anyway, really because when there's
a turnover of players in the side, every new player
needs a new song, and sometimes, particularly in the white
ball side, it's hard to keep up.

Speaker 7 (01:56:29):
But yeah, so we're always look out for new songs.

Speaker 22 (01:56:31):
A lot of the songs that we come up with
are done on the hoof, based upon what we're seeing
on the pitch, like when, for example, the last match,
where when England were closing on a victory and Darryl.

Speaker 16 (01:56:41):
Mitchell was out on the boundary.

Speaker 22 (01:56:44):
Building and we sort of took him to our heart
and we started singing songs like we want our Darryl back,
we want our Daryl back and stuff like that, because
he'd got on the other side.

Speaker 7 (01:56:52):
Of the other side of the pitch and then he
came back again, So you know, stuff like that. You know,
it just other stuff just comes just out of nowhere.
It depends. We've got some funny characters in the barmby
Army and they just pick up on something and then we.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Just start wonderful stuff. And how many of you are
there on this current tour.

Speaker 22 (01:57:10):
Well, in terms of numbers, it's well, it's it's kind
of see the term Barmie Army is a bit of
a nebulous one as.

Speaker 7 (01:57:16):
Far as when we're touring away.

Speaker 22 (01:57:19):
Anyone that kind of identifies as Barmie Army is Barmie Army. Okay,
if you wear in a Barbie Army shirt, I respective
whether you're a member or not in terms of a
subscription paying member, you're a Barmie Army as far as
mostly well concerned. But in terms of England fans and
total I'd say it's probably about a thousand here. Maybe
I'd say in this ground it's about I think it's

(01:57:39):
probably about sort of sixty forty to key we to
England fans, but Barmie Army, I'd say there's about a thousand.

Speaker 7 (01:57:48):
About a thousand.

Speaker 22 (01:57:49):
Here, there's probably about two hundred real hardcore to go
to every Test match, and there's there's about eighty of
our travel package clients who who who paid a Barmai
Army for it for a tour package where we sort
out all their hotels, their flights, the tickets, the transfers,
special events.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
Yeah, amazing, that's a long answer.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
No, it was a very good answer. Now a player
is just about to get it back under way. I see,
so I better let you go. But before you do go,
can we have our Brendan McCallum back by any chance?

Speaker 22 (01:58:19):
Why not for a few more years. I think you
just signed that new White Book, so pray sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
No, he is rather good. He is rather good.

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
Hey, Finchy, great to chatty you mate. Thanks for taking
air call my pleasure. Thank you all the best. Simon
Finch There follow on socials. He's on Instagram at Finchy
the barmis army trumpet. Yeah, sixty forty, he reckons. Well,
it might be increasing in terms of its percentage because
of the way this game is going. Andrew Ordison's on
the other side of the ground, and the more I guess,

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the slightly calmer surrounds of the media box. Great to
get the Barbie army trumpetter on. There orders plenty for
them to trumpet about at the moment, by the looks
of things.

Speaker 13 (01:59:02):
Well, that's right, I was thinking sixty forty is quite
generous Piney I think this stage, I mean one hundred
and sixty six for one, but it's a three hundred
and twenty one run lead. And just to put some
perspective around that, the highest fourthenings chase at the base
in Pakistan's two hundred and seventy seven in two thousand
and three. He's Hiland's best spring the two hundred and
seventeen against Bangladesh in twenty seventeen. So England already in

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a formidable position here with the Bethel now seventy eighth
and stuck at seventy four.

Speaker 3 (01:59:31):
What have you got any sense?

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
Is there any sense in the media box among the
traveling media as to what the plan for England might
be from here, maybe for the rest of day two.

Speaker 13 (01:59:41):
For starters, well, there has been talk of that rain
coming tomorrow, but whether I'm just looking at the forecast now,
there looks to be pushed out even further, so you're
looking at a three day rap at this particular juncture
unless he's yonder able to swing something together. There is
a bit of talk about possible declaration tonight, maybe giving
them a half an hour to an hour of a

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crack at the Newsylanders. But I think piney they will
be a touch weary England. He's given what happened last time.
Here was the follow on Test win by New Zealand,
just the fourth time that it ever happened, and of
course just the one run victory are during that twenty
twenty three Test. So that's something just that might spook
them a little bit about going too early in terms
of a declaration and not leaving themselves short. But you'd

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think at this stage, I mean just heading up. If
they can get up towards four hundred or so, and
if they get beyond that world record for eighteen chase
by the West Indies against Australia, I think that was
back in two thousand and three, they should be well,
they should be pretty safe in their capability.

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
So what will or what should New Zealand's approach be
in the situation.

Speaker 13 (02:00:47):
Well, I think they've got to try and offer some
positive intent tiny really when they do come to chase
in that but it's just flattening and clearly bethln Duckett
able to deal with it with some of plom So
therefore New Zealand should have the batting stock that's able
to do that you would think, having seen that you've

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lift your player of the series out of this eleven
and Will Young who's still carrying the drinks flower of
the Serious and the Indian historic win the the mw
zualand have built some good will capital, if you like,
from that series win. But starting to wonder whether there's
just how much faith they have here and being able
to go on and really dictate terms to it and
give them that they did get the better of that

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first session on the first day, but it sends a
long time ago.

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
Now it does. All right, Well, I'm on the radio
again tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (02:01:34):
I'm going to assume that this test is still going
twenty four hours from now. We'll certainly twenty one hours
from now look forward to chatting cricket again with you tomorrow.
Orders if that works for your schedule.

Speaker 10 (02:01:45):
That's great point and it's certainly some positive intent on
your part.

Speaker 4 (02:01:50):
I'm beginning as I mean to go on for the
next twenty four hours. Good on your mate Andrew Ordison
covering the test for us on the base and read
howm enz Herald dot co dot n Ze eight and
a half away from three.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
When it's down to the line you made a call
on eight hundred eighty Weekends with Jason Hine News TALKSV.

Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
And that is all we have for you on Weekend
Sport for today at five to three Tim Beverages on
your radio after three o'clock with the Saturday edition of
the Weekend Collective. We are back tomorrow with the Sunday
edition of Weekend Sport. More Cricket, So whatever happens over
the next three hours or so at the base in
Reserve and then the first hour tomorrow we'll dissect the

(02:02:30):
way that England are advancing this Test match and the
pace that they are there could be quite a bit
to talk about when we talk cricket. Probably after midday
tomorrow we'll review the darbyfore you as well. Steve Elka
is on the show with the News this week. He's
coming home to try and win the New Zealand Golf
Open for the first time, having had another superb season

(02:02:50):
on the Champions Tour. And after two o'clock tomorrow afternoon
Richard Hadley or Sir Richard Hadley as we should call him,
another inductee into the New Zealand Cricket Hall of Fame
and extended chat with Sir Richard Hadley tomorrow afternoon on
the show. Huge thanks to Bevan and Tira for combining
producer duties today.

Speaker 3 (02:03:10):
Song to Go Out is one.

Speaker 4 (02:03:12):
Which I guess is applicable to what's about to play
out at go Media Stadium in a couple of hours
or so, with Auckland f C and Wellington Phoenix set
to do battle in a League Derby number two.

Speaker 3 (02:03:27):
Two tribes going.

Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
To war and it will be a war in front
of twenty six thousand mount Smart set tomorrow at midday
open out.

Speaker 2 (02:03:47):
Where Shira.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
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