Full Show Podcast: 09 November 2025

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Alands derby domination continues, but I dare you to have
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coach Steve Coriker, can you get your views too, football fans,
as New Zealand football remains blue. First up today though,
take eighty breast over your Sunday morning breakfast.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
New Zealand's the All Blacks hang on twenty five seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
The Grand Slam remains alive, but not without a wee
scare at Murray Field this morning. Assistant coach of the
All Black Scott Hanson standing by the chat with us.
We'll get a Scottish view after one o'clock. I experienced
rugby journalist David Barnes gonna hear some of the postmatch
thoughts of captain Artie Savia and also Damien McKenzie, who
played a significant role in the wind. Heaps of time

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on the nineteen twenty four All Blacks for Evan one
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Speaker 1 (03:46):
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Speaker 5 (03:56):
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the fields of these opinion.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
This plea his money, very good? Any score the try.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Damien them Yeah, unreal try from Damien McKenzie. Near the
end of that one, All Blacks twenty five Scotland's seventeen
All Black's assistant coach Scott Hansen joins us. Scott, thanks
for your time. I kind of want to divide this
analysis into three parts. The first part is the first half.
So seventeen nil in the first half, happy enough at halftime?

Speaker 7 (04:34):
Were you? We went in at halftime? We finished well.

Speaker 8 (04:39):
Obviously with that trial on in halftime, we felt that
we had a positioned and we controlled that well. We
showed clips at halftime around the opportunity that we needed
to get to. We felt good at halftime around where
we needed to be and to continue to drive the
game around the position. So obviously going in there, we

(05:01):
were pretty comfortable around the things that we'd acknowledged to
where Scotland would be the opportunities that were there.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So then minutes forty to sixty when they came back
into it seventeen or what's your analysis of what happened
in that period?

Speaker 8 (05:16):
Yeah, I think, and again not going through the clips,
but what it felt like in the stand. Obviously, Scotland
got the momentum, came down the field and they really
did camp us in our area of the field, and
they in regards to twenty minutes off our tiline, they
applayed really good pressure with ball in hands and then
through that pressure, fortunately we responded around some poor decisions

(05:39):
with breakdown end or on the balls resulted really in
the game on those three yellow cards and that's never
going to help us.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
So some learnings there.

Speaker 8 (05:51):
Started straight away from the kickoff and not regaining that
gave Scotland a bit of belief and then they rowed
that home.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
In terms of those yellow cards, Scott, how do you
address those when you do your match review. I know
the game isn't long over, but how do you address
there yellow cards in your match reviews?

Speaker 8 (06:10):
Oh, you talk about self control, You talk about where
we are within that pressure, what the team really needs
from the individual, and basically we can't put ourselves in
those positions where we're you know, we're playing a Test
match for thirty minutes with only fourteen on the field.
That won't be good enough and tonight that nearly cost us.
So some lessons there just acknowledge where we need to

(06:33):
be around it and a.

Speaker 7 (06:33):
Lot of that was trust.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
Really you look at Wallace, he was trying to do
the right thing, but really getting one hand to the
ball on and needs like that, you've just got to
get two hands to it in that moment.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
So the third part is the last ten minutes which
won you the Test match. What were you seeing out
there in particular from your leaders, your game drivers in
the last ten minutes.

Speaker 8 (06:56):
Yeah, it's a fair point. I don't know if it
won us to Test match. I think when you think
about the first half, you think around the six two
split that Scotland went to where we had to take
them around, basically taking some energy and gets out of
their legs and in the last ten minutes that really
caught up to them.

Speaker 9 (07:15):
Leaders.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
Coming down the field. You look at that moment where
body Barrett decides to take the opportunity on the lift
edge to the shortkick yest it lands and bounces out.
But there was a moment that brought Scotland up defensively
a couple of players later and now Dmax putting it
in the right hand corner. So very brave from our leaders,
good control around our game and some young all blacks

(07:37):
out there through effort and key getting the all backs home.
So think we can be really proud of is how
they controlled that. But first and foremost what put us
in that position and the other learnings we've got to take.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
How on earth did Damien McKenzie get that ball down
in the corner.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
He's pretty special, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (07:56):
Spoke to Jason Holand before and I said, well, Jesus,
if there's in one the world are coming off the
bench in those moments, then show me who that is.
DMAs been done all for us around coming off the bench,
giving us that energy and also that game understanding special
moment around keeping the ball and play listare getting the
offloat on the edge and then just Demat doing what

(08:18):
he does and being special. So a nice moment there.
We decided to hold on to position and build it
through carrying and a good outcome on that left hand corner,
just with him.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Then, Scott, is he now a guy you say right
twenty three? Is the number on your back? Or is
he still an option for you in the starting side.

Speaker 8 (08:38):
Now, We'll always put to what we feel for the week.
I just think we're dearmak Is around his game and
what he's given us. There this trust and Dearmak around
starting He started a couple of weeks ago for us
against the Wallabies obviously, so what I'm acknowledging is what
he gives us from the bench and that special those
special moments, but that's also a massive amount of trust

(09:00):
and how he leads us around the field as a
teen when required.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Also, Hardie Savier talked afterwards about a lack of accuracy
at times, which put the team under pressure. Scott, how
do you coach accuracy?

Speaker 8 (09:13):
I ain't going to put the minute. If you want accuracy,
you've got to put the boys in it. So that's
our training week that's the intensity that we do. Accuracy
at times, you know, you look at the effort around it,
you look at the technique and you're right on the
border for us or you know, our forwards, the skill
sets they have at the line, our execution. Can we

(09:36):
be better in some moments, of course, but overall our
athletes and their ability to keep the ball and use
the balls pretty special for us. So we're going to
continue to do that. Accuracy comes down to the individuals
and those pressure moments.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
And can I just ask about one player, and that's
Peter Larkey. What do you say from him and his
emergence as a Test loose forward and in that number
eight jersey specifically.

Speaker 8 (10:02):
Oh, it's just been so pleasing, isn't it. He's such
a mature young man. He's a great presents around his game.
He's a natural baller. The way he can present himself
onto the ball, how he adjust the line as a
ball carrier, he's got those in. Some of those qualities
basically they're uncoachable. He's just a beautiful rugby player, a
fantastic young man defensively was on the ball, his timing

(10:26):
at the breakdown, his understanding and when and had to
put pressure on the ball tonight.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
We needed that because we needed the discipline from him there.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
Didn't always get it right as a team, but Peter's a.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
Young man that continues just to grow his game each week, all.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Right on to the next. Scott Robinson said he's probably
heard enough bagpipes for a while. Other than that, have
you enjoyed your time in Scotland?

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
Well, you know what a city to play rugby and
it's traditional rugby ground, the crowd and support for Scotland
and it was phenomenal. They really did ride them home.
It's been a great week for us here in Edinburgh.
There's a lot of respect here for the Scottish and
obviously the love that they're have for the game here also,
so it's been a good week for the boys. We'll

(11:10):
look forward to getting to England, but grateful for the
opportunity to be here in Scotland on special evening. Really
was there one hundredth very emotional night for them around
their game and we were good enough on the night
to get get over the get over the line in
the end, but.

Speaker 7 (11:25):
It took a lot of effort, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Safe travels congratulations on the win, Scott, thanks for chatting
as always.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Oh thanks Jess, my pleasure, Thank you mate, all the.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Best made thanks indeed, Scott Hanson there out of the
All Blacks camp. Time for your reactions now to what
you heard there, to what you saw or heard this
morning at eight hundred eighty ten eighty throwing the lines
open to talk from rugby. As I said to Scott Hanson,
I reckon, this is a kind of a three part conversation.
There's the first half, then there's minutes twenty to sixty,
sorry forty to sixty, and then there's the last bit.

(11:55):
And then laid across the top of all of that
is thelow carts. Just on those test Rugby is hard
enough with fifteen guys out there. When you play over
a third of the game with fourteen, you put yourself
into really treacherous territory. Leroy Carters is really quite silly,
isn't it? A foot trip for no reason? On Darcy
Graham Ardie Savier is probably more forgivable all these pins
for pulling down a drive and I never really know

(12:17):
why or how they work out who's done that, But anyway,
that led to you and Ashman's try that was going
to be scored anyway, and then Ardie went in the
bin and then what is the teties. I absolutely hate
this rule. I hate the rule that you get a
yellow card for deliberate knockdowns. But the players know the
rules and that is four yellow cards now for that
infringement for the All Blacks this year even Scott Hansen

(12:39):
said that you've got to get two hands to the ball.
It's an instinctual action, isn't it just thrusting out the hand,
but it costs you ten in the bin. So first
half really really good, Josh Lord charging up the middle
to set up cam Roy guard period of sustained pressure
which Scotland did quite well or soak up actually then
Will Jordan's try at the end of the half seventeen nil,

(13:00):
no worries. I was very comfortable at halftime, but then
after the break minutes forty to see which the All
Blacks played larger with fourteen men out there. From the
moment they dropped the kick off at the start of
the second half. It was all just a bit sloppy
really from the All Blacks and Scotland took advantage. They
got a try while Carter was in the bin, another
one while Ardie Savere was off, and then a penalty
given away. It was a silly penalty two that got

(13:21):
given away for a man in front of the kicker.
You hardly ever see that these days, do you man
in front of the kicker? Scotland kick that penalty seventeen
all and then Satiti's yellow card. Scotland had that game
for the taking if they had been good enough. But
then the last bit, having dug themselves into a bit
of a hole, the All Blacks climbed out of it,

(13:43):
largely on the shoulders of Damien mackenzie. He was terrific
that fifty twenty two that landed about well five meters
out from Scotland's line. That's just a gut punch for Scotland.
And then defying the laws of physics and scoring that
decisive try nailing a penalty to take the margin out
to eight points. Blood pouring out of those two gashes

(14:05):
on his face needed seven stitches. Tremendous stuff from Damien McKenzie.
And much as Scott Hansen says, there, look, we will
choose week to week, it just seems to me that
he is the best in an impact role perhaps in
the world, just like Bowden Barrett used to be before

(14:25):
he came into the starting side. When Dan Carter was
first five body was the best impact player in the world.
I think that's what Damien McKenzie is and can be
for us. I do feel for Scotland that was a
huge chance for them to make history on the occasion
of Murray Field's one hundred year celebrations. They could have
won that game. Golden opportunity for them seventeen or twenty

(14:47):
to go all blacks down a man. They may never
get a better chance plenty to pick up on. Take
the conversation anywhere you like. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is our number. It's twelve twenty two. Hello Mark,
Hey Ti.

Speaker 10 (15:04):
I agree really with the lockdown. I mean, if you
don't need to get two hands to it, if you
get one hand to and knock them the air and
catch it, you can score it.

Speaker 9 (15:11):
Right the other end, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 10 (15:13):
The same thing happened in the African France Games and
some player got got sent off. And I mean if
you were quite that too, like Carter's yellow card, which
was a cynical fight trip. I mean It's just bizarre
how you can have the same result happens for both
both incidents.

Speaker 9 (15:30):
Really, I think it should be taken out of the game.

Speaker 10 (15:34):
The refereeing.

Speaker 11 (15:35):
It's a bit of a worry that ref.

Speaker 10 (15:36):
He's given us about six or seven yellow cards. I
think the Argentinian game was the same as this one
pretty much, and yeah, they could have lost this one.
But the promising things I saw Lester faire Nuku just
huge penetration and offloading ability, probably since Sonny Bill Williams.
I thought he was just absolutely fantastic. And I think

(15:57):
in the first half the All Blacks just looked probably
the best I've looked.

Speaker 9 (16:01):
For a very long time.

Speaker 10 (16:01):
I was sort of quite optimistic about how this team's
already coming together. And as you said, Dem, well, he's
like a closer in baseball, isn't He really comes on
at the end. It just just plays, Yeah, just outplays
everyone on the field, to be honest, Yeah, I want Yeah,
the last point I wanted to make currently All Blacks

(16:23):
quite similar and it's it's a little bit like they
do in the NFL that they don't take these three points.
They feel if they've got if they've got a chance
they go for the corner, and they go for the
line out, and they go for that seven points even
in a really tight game, and it's in the NFL.
They do it like I'm fourth down, you know that,
You know what I mean. They'll go for it basically

(16:43):
and try and finish that team. And they are that
both teams, the All Blacks and the Africans are good
enough to put these teams away under that pressure and
that and that resilience at the end of the game's
really showing through on its Northern tour for both teams.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, good observations. I totally agree on LISTI fighting and
look good. Just the way he gets those leagues pumping
and drives through, you know, the first tackler and often
the second one as well, up over the advantage line.
So important for a center to be able to do that.
And yeah, the one at the ends interesting because I
think initially, when when the All Blacks kicked for the
line for the penalty which eventually led to Damien McKenzie's try,

(17:22):
I think they initially thought that the penalty was out
in front of the posts, at which point I think
they would have taken the points. But because it was
a penalty over towards the side. They thought, well, actually
that's that's less of a kickable penalty. It might still
have gone over, of course, but they thought, well, actually
we'll take the line out down. It worked out, okay.
But yeah, I take what you're say though, Mark. They do.
They tend to show courage and and faith and belief

(17:46):
in their own ability to turn those penalties into triscoring situations.
So yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's a very
valid point you make there, and.

Speaker 10 (17:54):
I think Jeff Wilson agrees with you, and probably myself
as well. Cam roudad playing eighty minutes, I mean, why
take him off? He's one of the best players on
the field, and you know in the last game he
got that try run at the inn. So why take
players off just for some weird rule that you need
to take the place of player at sixty or seventy minutes.

(18:15):
It just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, some
players like Cody Taits, Tody Taylor. Yeah, but yeah, sorry,
you go.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
I was just going to say, you never see Addie
Savier come off, do you?

Speaker 7 (18:25):
You know?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
He and so, And you're right, it seems like hookers
and halfbacks. There's some sort of unwritten rule mark that
you've got you've got to come off. I'm glad like
the all Blecks last week they I think they left
for all got on till seventy eight minutes last week
and this morning, as you say, played the whole game.

Speaker 12 (18:40):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I love it. It's a great it's a great break
from what we often see. There's no need, is there.
I mean, in the old days, everybody used to play
the eighty minutes, didn't they twelve twenty five at the time.
Hello Tony, Yeah, hello.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Something interesting came to mind looking at the first half
and talking about Scotland. I actually thought that from until
the very last couple of minutes they were the best
team on the field. An reason my reasoning is based
in part on two tries they scored in the first half,

(19:16):
both of which they didn't get awarded because they couldn't
ground the ball. But if he remember there were two
tries that were held up yep, and then in the
second half they had a knock on on the line.
They were extraordinary and very very unlucky to be to
give up that last try in the first half. And then,

(19:37):
of course the other point was the all Blacks started
the second half with fourteen men. The man who was
off still had a couple of minutes still to sit
in the naughty chair, so they started with fourteen and
as soon as he got ready to come back on
there was another yellow card and another guy went off.

(20:01):
But it's extraordinary what they were able to do with,
as you say, almost a third of the game with
fourteen man then, and full credit to the All Blacks
in that second half. They were stood all the pressure
and pulled it out in rightfully self.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, and I think, Tony, the point about the first
half is so right, seventeen nil. You look at it,
you okay, Well, the All Blacks have dominated that half,
and I thought they did have the better of it.
They soaked up Scotland, soaked up a lot of All
Blacks pressure when they were seven mill ahead, and in
the end it got to the point where when another
penalty was awarded the fifth or sixth, they thought, well,
we're here, will take some points now, and they took

(20:41):
the penalty to go to ten nil rather than continue
battering away at the line. But I thought the All
Blacks were better in the first half than Scotland. But
you're right the two tries or would be tries held
up over the line and then yeah, once they got
a bit of a roll on in the second half.
It seemed as though it was wave after wave. They
will they'll be disappointed, Tony. You know they had a

(21:03):
great chance to win that Test match.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I've never seen Scotland move the ball so well, so wide,
so often. They were terrific and I and they were
missing Vandamurva, who was there, their big punch back on
the outside. I don't know why he didn't play. They
mentioned his name a couple of times, but he wasn't

(21:27):
on the field. I thought they were remarkable. When they're
going to be they'll be weeping in the editor for
a long time about this one.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
And Dave, I will Tony thank you for taking the
top to cool and night right to chat to you
twelve twenty eight of this Oh Light one hundred and
eight ten. How do you take a bright comeback with
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Speaker 3 (22:10):
How good was that saying Josh Lord charging down the
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about Nelson one fifteen start in the thirdteen to twenty
International Richard, Hi, mate, thanks for holding that's.

Speaker 13 (22:31):
All right, hey, just a couple of quick observations. First
of one, it's but some people might not like it.
But I'm just wondering why Robertson is persisting with Scott Barrett.
It's captain and even starting fifteen Locke he hasn't been
playing as good as he can for the last two

(22:53):
years and he's been in a lot and I'm just
wondering an actual fact that's seeing the level, what value
he's actually adding, because it seems to me we've got
good on the rock and stops, so that doesn't seem
to be in the shoe Captain. See, he doesn't appear
to add much around the field. And I'm also wondering

(23:16):
about Boden Barrett. He's not been at the top of
his game. He's a great servant. I'd still keep him
in the squad, but as a backup. I'm just really
scratching my head as to why they're not trying a
few other first fives, because I think it would be
folly just to rely on the market coming back and

(23:37):
staying in one piece for a World Cup. I just
can't work out as the logic because this is Bloodham
time as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Okay, let's start with the second one first. Yeah, I'm
interested to know what the plan is when Richie Wonger
does come back. Damian McKenzie, I think, as I said earlier, Richard,
I think is having him in that twenty three Jersey
suits his skill set perfectly, an impact player off the bench.
But I don't think you can have mung About and
McKenzie all in the twenty three. I just don't think

(24:09):
that happens unless but plays fallback, and I just can't
see that happening. So yeah, I think the Scott Robertson
has a lot of eggs in the Richie Wonger basket.
Having said that, I think the next guy to develop
is probably Josh Jacob, who is on the All Blacks
fifteen tour. At the moment, there's Reuben Love who has
been hardly given any opportunities at all, even though he's

(24:30):
been chosen as a first five. I know what you're saying,
and I get the feeling that maybe at the back
end of this tour against Wales you'll see somebody new
starting that ten Jersey. Not sure who. I'd quite like
to see them bring Josh Jacob and actually to have
a test, but we'll wait and see. On the Scott
Barrett situation, I think he's one of a number of
very good locks at the moment. I think you're right,

(24:50):
there's really good depth developing there and Josh Lord is
the latest one to do that. I still think he's
one of our best locks. And we had a conversation
about the captaincy a little while ago. I just wonder
whether he would be better and unencumbered without the captaincy
and just go out there and be the best lock
that he can.

Speaker 13 (25:09):
Since he's had that, he's disappeared as far as his
dynamic form is concerned. The captaincy has not suited him.
That's my personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, well all opinions valid.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Richard.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Just let me ask you, Yeah, can I just ask
you about the Boden Barrett Then what do you think?
So next year, let's say morelong it comes in and
plays ten. I mean that seems right, doesn't it. You
can't have Boden Barrett and Damien McKenzie and the reserves,
can you because you don't. You don't cover midfield.

Speaker 13 (25:40):
No, you don't. And like the coach said before, you know,
they pick a team for what they need for that
particular game coming up. And to be honest, names escaping
him in now the back the chosen one. Well Jordan, Yeah, yeah,

(26:04):
you know he's not covering himself in glory this season.
He has done nothing this season and I'm just wondering
give him a shake up and put I'll either put
body back there as you said, he actually to me
he plays better at fullback because he's fast and he
can take the punt. You know, he can see the

(26:26):
waves parting before him, as it were. From fallback, and
he seems to make those outstanding breaks more than Will
Jordan appears to be doing at the moment. I don't
very well this year. I know he's great talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but you know, it's not out there at the moment
as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Thank you, Richard. I appreciate your call. Thanks for calling
through with your thoughts and articulating them so well. Yes,
all about opinions. You know, we're not all going to agree.
I don't think we have to. I don't think that's
the rule, certainly not on this radio station. Thanks Richard,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 14 (26:58):
George, Hi, mate, Goolad pointy.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
How's it going?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Very good, mate, very good?

Speaker 14 (27:02):
Yeah, yeah, good. Thanks. Pleasing to see the composure in
the last ten minutes. I guess for the second week
in a row, they can probably only build confidence. But yeah,
comment similar things to the call of the thought before
about making these games closer than they need to be
and kind of the cost of that, don't see, Like

(27:23):
you know, I think the Argentina game over here and
the Australia first Test that got really close, and obviously
this morning giving up these big leads kind of means you,
you know, it's the difference between Rasma getting thirty minutes
due to see getting on and then, as the caller
said before, someone like Reuben Love getting on for a

(27:47):
bit of time throughout the season. Like I think the
she every game that we've made it hard for ourselves
in has meant we've had to stay really safe and
cautious with our selections the following week. And you know,
kind of go back to that Argentina game, because if
you'd taken that, you probably would have signed up the
championship and you can experiment a bit more with a
team in Perth. But it just feels like this morning

(28:08):
could have been a forty to twelve type of game
if we'd taken the Windo out of their sales after halftime.
But as we've done a few times this year, we've
given a really healthy plead.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, and that scoreline you just said, then, George, that's
like a typical All Blacks thing, isn't it. You know,
you run away from a team, you put space between
yourselves and them, and then you allow yourself a bit
of freedom both on the day and as you say
later on. And the only scoreline that I can find
that kind of fits that this year is the second
Test against France and Wellington, which was what forty three seventeen.

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The others have all been too close with that, you know,
you think, just when you think we're going to get
two scores away from whoever, it is the whole score
and then we're back to a bit of a bit
of a dog fight again.

Speaker 14 (28:51):
Definitely, yeah, And I mean I already's spoken quite well
about these stacking moments and keeping the foot on the throat,
and it feels like they're aware that that's what they
need to do.

Speaker 9 (29:01):
But I think you're right.

Speaker 14 (29:03):
We look a million dollars and then can kind of
have the these concentration lapses that just get teams back
into the game. And as you say that, you know
that Scotland team, we're brave this morning in the third quarter,
but they weren't. They're accurate and it probably could have
been a more of a typical All Blacks performance of
where they put this the game out of doubt after halftime.

(29:25):
And then that gives you a bit more freedom in
the weeks to come around your selections and sort of
giving guys like Carefe a bit more time and a
bit of time, which you know, the South Africans are
doing well with building death, but we're kind of not
able to do it at the moment given our performances.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, it's a great observation, as most of observation. George Ha,
thanks mate, always good chatting to you. Thanks for calling
in mate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and
number twenty one away from one speed line there if
we want to jump aboard and use a couple of
texts to get out of the way. Bretz is bonny.
Scotland bottled that match because they stopped playing rugby once
they got to seventeen, or they went to silly box
kicks when they hit all the momentum. A real missed

(30:05):
opportunity going to talk to David Barnes at Scottish Rugby
Journalist after one o'clock to find out just how deep
the frustration is and how guarded they are. They've come
close to us a number of times. We haven't played
Scotland very often, admittedly in the last ten to fifteen years.
It's been very sporadic really, but they've never beaten us

(30:26):
at seventeen all when they kicked that penalty to go
to seventeen all and then Wallace a Titi gets put
in the bin. So they're playing from minute sixty one
to seventy one at seventeen all with fifteen v fourteen.
They must have really rated their chances and a good
side wins that game. Unfortunately Scotland have to wait again

(30:51):
now until next year for another chance. Un says Piney Morning.
I disagree with the earlier comment and the criticism of
the referee in the yellow cards. I think Nick Barns
is one of the best referees around. I'd have him
against England. I felt confident with him refereeing, especially when
we went down to fourteen. I don't think there's any
argument with any of the three yellow cards, so I
wasn't suggesting that Leroy Carter is definitely yellow. Arlie Savia

(31:13):
almost certainly yellow. In the Wallace of Tity one is
yellow as well. I just don't like the role. But
that's not that doesn't mean it's not a yellow card.
It's definitely a yellow card. Jason High okay, bin.

Speaker 9 (31:28):
A couple of things.

Speaker 15 (31:28):
The Scottland side is not the Scotland side that we've
we've seen before. They I was mentally impressed with them,
and most few chords have been saying the same thing.
They they are definitely sort of a way different team
that we've ever played before. And you're right, they were
one moment probably Jiff Wilson sort of summed it up
pretty well in his postmatch summary with Laura mcgolder. There

(31:52):
were probably one moment away from probably turning history books
their way. I think the thing that stopped them, that
stuffed them completely in terms of just a flavor of them,
was that you know that fifty twenty thing of d
Mac And you're quite right to highlight he is in
that specific play that he plays for us, you know

(32:15):
that role of impact off the bench, whatever it is,
he's he's gold. He's ten points every game in that
particular function, I think, and I think without him coming
on and doing and creating it, but in Magic, I
think we probably would have lost.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think you're probably right, Jace. I think he had
a huge say in the game, and the fifty twenty
two that he that he pulled out I think is
the game's most significant moment for when it happened, for
what it meant, for the way it changed the game,
and I think also for the for what it did
to Scotland. They were like, we were all the way

(32:54):
down there and now we've got to go all the
way back there. That I think that psychologically really affected them.

Speaker 12 (33:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (33:01):
I mean you could pull that move off in the
first half and it would have made no difference. Who's
to say we would have scored from it anyway?

Speaker 9 (33:08):
I think we did.

Speaker 15 (33:08):
But having done at the time that was left and
when it was when we're under the pump, I think
that was the game's defining moment. And you know, even
more so than when he scored that try. You know
that he had no right to score. But no, Look,
I also one thing too, I'd like to say quickly.
I think we've got a really good side too, and
they'll get better for next week because they'll need to be.

(33:30):
But yeah, I was very impressed. I mean, can you
mention the callers today? Have we lost to a side
we've never lost before again, because there only would have
left Honger and samorrow, it would have been a much
different afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
I think I wonder what they're doing over and I
wonder what they're doing over in Australia. Do you see
the Wallabies lost to Italy? Did you catch up on
that news I did, and f.

Speaker 15 (33:51):
G gave England a right royal battle for sixty four
minutes as well, So yeah, I think, yeah, it's a
different landscape we're watching now mate.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Certainly as Jason's great to chat mate drive safe oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is and number just
on Damien McKenzie and is ever loose in this all
black side under Razor. Last year, Damien mackenzie played in
all fourteen Test matches. He started ten of them and
came off the bench in the other four, so ten
starts and four off the bench. This year he has

(34:22):
played in all eleven Test matches, so he's played every
single one of the Test matches last year. In this
twenty five Test matches this year, though, of the eleven,
three starts and eight off the bench, it just feels
like that is the evolution. Boden Barrett has been preferred

(34:43):
at first five for eight of the games. It just
feels like Damien McKenzie is perfect in the twenty three jersey.
He provides you impetus, impact, enthusiasm, the ability to break tackles,
run and broken play, run at tied defenders. He provided

(35:04):
impact last week and I don't I don't care what
Scott Hansen says. Damien mckinzey won that game for them
in the last ten minutes this morning. Call it to
one back with boor in moments be aline Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
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Speaker 5 (35:28):
Barrett plays half back ball left hand side to Teddy breaking.

Speaker 16 (35:31):
Down the left hand sir to Tenny of.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Jordan.

Speaker 9 (35:37):
The try.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, that was one just before halftime. Sixth try of
the year for Will Jordan. Even though on one of
our previous callers didn't think he was playing that well.
He's still the leading tri scorer for the All Blacks
this year with six and has started every single Test match,
just one of two players to do that. Artist Savilla
is the other one. At the other end of the

(35:59):
of the participation scale is the impact that Damien McKenzie
is providing. So how did he assess the last twenty
minutes of the game this morning in particular?

Speaker 17 (36:09):
Yeah, I sort of first half of it was you know,
we're under a whole lot of pressure from Scotland. They
came out of the blocks firing in that second half,
scored two quick tries.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Penalty to put it to seventeen or and you key
messages we were.

Speaker 17 (36:29):
Feeding back to the rest of the boys was just
to be patient and when we get the opportunity, make
sure we put the four the right areas of the
field and put it in front of our foods to attack.
And we were sort of lot in that there quarter
it and Scotland threw a lot at us, but obviously
Wilson to be able to come away with when they're.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
At the end.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
What about Damien McKenzie's try what is there a member
of that? And the rather superhuman effort required to even
get the ball down.

Speaker 17 (36:53):
I don't usually always were too long a spreagus, but
it might have been that to keep me in. But
I think just a bit of luck and been able
to stay in there in the corner and a mean
house when you got a great full pack to so
we had an advantage. So you've got a bit of
a free play and a free shot at it. So yeah,
just a bit of luck in the corner and plan

(37:14):
I was having give.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Down Damie McKenzie and his impact off the bench. What
does he look to provide when he comes into the
game rather than starting.

Speaker 17 (37:22):
Yeah, look, I don't know if it was a man
of the match performance. I was obviously on the end
of it with the try and I guess there's a
goalkicker you just got to try. And now those moments
and the previous goal Cup from the trial wasn't overly flesh, so.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I guess it's an impact player.

Speaker 17 (37:35):
It's about coming on, reading the game and bring an
impact where you can bring an energy and we have
to with the first half of that twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
You know, we're on defense most of the time.

Speaker 17 (37:45):
So I'm just really pleased with how we're able to
withstand that and then turn it around and place him
attacking rugby And I said as a serious crunch match
against Scotland, they are a great side, so to come
away with a win here at America was extremely pleasing.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
And what do they take now forward to the next
Test match, a big one at Twickenham against England next weekend.

Speaker 17 (38:06):
Were attacked really run for ustve and our defense was
really good, so for us moving forward. Obviously three yellow cards,
so discipline's obviously an area.

Speaker 18 (38:16):
Where I have to folks.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
I was guilty myself at one stage.

Speaker 17 (38:18):
So just individual things and we're able to keep fifteen
men on the park for eighty minutes, then you know
I'd got a long way to having success in these
last two matches. So we have a look at Van
and just keep growing our game. We showed some great
plints of attack and our defense was extremely good, so
pleasing and looking forward the next two weeks.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
And Damien mackenzie Pete asks on text regarding DMA's performance,
when did you ever know someone to get Player of
the day for only thirty odd minutes. It's a very
good point you make, Pete. He came on in the
forty fourth so yeah, early in the second half with
Caleb Clark going off. But yeah, it's not common is
it for someone who plays less than half of the
game to get man of the match? Aidan from Dunedin.

(38:58):
I always enjoy getting your texts, Aidan for mine Piney,
this was the exciting expense of entertaining an intense test.
I wanted to see. Perhaps Scotland were unlucky to not
bag the first all Black scalp in their history, though,
especially with thirty minutes against fourteen men, we're building quite
a collection of yellow cards this year. Perhaps Coldplay song

(39:18):
Yellow should be the All Black's theme song, or a
call to the phoenix to borrow a yellow fever tag
on the All Blacks. The text continues, I think we
found our top loose forward combination with Ardie, Savierpetalaki and
Wallace ATTETI. I'm happy with the midfield pairing of Quinn
and Leicester. Enjoyed seeing Royguard mixing close defense by adding

(39:39):
running and carrying to his distribution and box kicks game.
I didn't hear Ardie's name until the second quarter, not
because he stepped back, but because so many others stepped up.
Big impact off the bench from d Mac to earn
Man of the Match Ony coming on after forty five
minutes must be a rarity. Still a long way to
go off an eighty minute performance. The vas is half

(39:59):
full with shamrock and thistle gathered, Daffodila certainty very good Aiden.
Can we secure the rare rose next week? G you've
got away with words mate, love it. Thanks for your text.
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to Scotland after one and get a Scottish viewpoint. How
gutted are they at not being able to close that
one out. David Barnes, longtime Scottish rugby journalist, is going
to join us. More time for your calls as well.
I do want to speak to the derby this afternoon
as well, or talk about the derby last night in
the A League. Terrific energy at Sky Stadium. It's just

(40:43):
just a very different environment for many sporting events I've
been to already. This this A League rivalry is delivering.
So I want to talk about the derby this afternoon
as well. In Nelson, New Zealand have won the toss
and elected to bat first in the third T twenty
International against the West Indies. A couple of changes to
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(41:04):
be injured. There's no way you can drop a guy
got seventy eight off twenty eight balls the other night.
Mitch Hay is coming to the team, but he's not
keeping wicket. Devin Conway is and Jimmy Nisham's into the
side for Zach Folks, so New Zealand winning the toss
and electing to that first first ball and Nelson at
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New Talks one seven on the Dot. Welcome too, Weekend Sport.
Welcome back to Weekend Sport. We're here till three. I'm
Jason Pine with Any McDonnell running the cutter. We're off
to Scotland in a minute. David Barnes, renowned rugby journalist
over there. He has watched a lot of Scottish rugby.
Did he think today was going to be the day

(41:58):
that he could write about and report on a Scotland
went over the All Blacks? And how guarded are the
team that they couldn't make that hair? And how deep
is the frustration? And is there a bit of pride
mixed in as well? Because you know, I guess have
to be at least a little bit proud that you
pushed the All Blacks so close. But are Scotland at

(42:19):
the point now where that's not enough. They don't want
to be gallant losers anymore. They want to win one
of these things. So I think I'm talking about Wellington
Phoenix here as well win one of these things the
Derby's another win in the derby last night for Auckland FC.
That is four now out of four and they did
it without a nu miracle equality for large parts of

(42:45):
the game. Dan Hall sends off with forty minutes to go,
Logan Rogerson joining him in the changing room with ten
minutes to go. Auckland FC had to play with nine
men for the last ten minutes, then another ten minutes
of added time and still they repelled Wellington and one
at two to one. Steve Corick is on the show
this afternoon, keeting here for as well up the DEFC fans,

(43:07):
Phoenix fans, football fans. What you made of it all?
It's quickly becoming a very very cool addition to our
sporting landscape. But a rugby league later on for you
as well, your causing correspondence always welcome on the show.
Eight hundred and eighty ten, eighty nine two nine two
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(43:28):
told you in our sports news. Mitchell sent has won
the toss and Nelson, New Zealand will bat first against
the West Indies on a stunning Nelson day in the
third of the five match T twenty series. Game four
is back in Nelson tomorrow, the game three about to
get underway. We will keep you right up today with
developments from Saxton Oval. Are sun soaked? Saxton Oval in Nelson.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
Take eighty grandly over your Sunday morning breakfast. New Zealans
to the All Blacks hang on twenty five seventeen.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Let's get you to Scotland and bring in long time
Scottish rugby journalist with the off sideline, David Barnes who
watched on at Murrayfield. Thanks for joining us, David. How
gutted will Scotland be to let a really good opportunity
slip to finally beat the All Blacks?

Speaker 9 (44:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (44:22):
Very gutted, very gutted the press conference so only two
plot Who I mean you felt for the guy he
was you know he's beside himself and you can understand
why it's been a lot of long time, and we've
been close to you guys in the past, you know,
the last couple of years. But I think, you know,
it really felt like we had you on the ropes, didn't.
It was about twenty minutes to go, and I think
in the past we've got closest maybe because we've scored

(44:43):
a try against the run of player kind of sneaked
up on you. But as this time he kind of felt, you'll,
felt like we'd we would finally crossed that final step,
but didn't quite make it.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
So what was it that prevented that from happening? Have
you been able to sort of analyze and break down
what happened that that allowed the All Blacks to get
away with this one?

Speaker 19 (45:03):
Yeah, we talked about it a bit after the game.
I think it was it was a fifty twenty two
from Demon McKenzie. I think Deamon McKenzie, you know it's
Jonny called it a gut punch, you know, and they
scored to try himself for this amazing finish at the end.
So I mean, I don't think, you know, we worried
that Scotland are bottler as we talk about, you know,
we bottled big games I think actually you have to
give credit to all blacks. Their bench had a big

(45:25):
impact and Damon McKenzie was the man for the moment
in fairness, So in that sense, while we're gutted, I
think it's slightly easier to take that. You know, it
was just in the end probably the better team one.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
What did you say from the Scottish stade that led
them to come back from seventeen nail down to level
things up at seventeen?

Speaker 19 (45:44):
All bush and knew the answer. I mean halftime, you
know you're thinking this is you know, this is dead
and buried. There are momentum team. These Scottish guys. They've
got a really.

Speaker 20 (45:56):
Talented back line.

Speaker 19 (45:57):
They've got guys, you know, game breakers in the back line,
and when they just get in the flow, they're just
really hard to live with. I think we struggle up front,
so you know, you know, I think it's just we
just need we need, we always need this kind of
flash of inspiration somewhere to get the momentum going. And
then when they're going, it's great, but we just don't
have that grunt up front to kind of you know,

(46:21):
you know, concept the tone ourselves almost which it sounds
quite harsh, but I think that's probably the reality of it.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
What was the injury situation with Finn Russell.

Speaker 19 (46:31):
Yeah, so we spoke to Gregor tims In about it.
At the end, he's trained his knee. They don't think
it's too serious. You guys will be aware what the
good character of Finn is. So Gregor did come and see.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
What Finn tells me.

Speaker 19 (46:43):
And so he played on and I mean that was
early on and he played onto the seventy fifth minute.
The reason they took him off is he also got
an ankle knock after that, you know, towards the end.
So they'll think two injurviews will beginning to push for
luck here, and I think by that point we realized
that we weren't going to win it. But they seem
confident that it's you know, it's fairly minor and that
you should be available for next week or certainly not
out long term.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Will they be a degree of pride once the dust
sails on this on this die you know or there
was frustration, yes, but they'll be proud also.

Speaker 19 (47:14):
Yeah, I think it looks like the headline for that
they'll sad line piece. It's pretty in frustration after all
of those lenes. Yeah, I think that's it, and I
think quite rightly. So, I mean, I think, you know,
you don't want to go seventeen mil down against the
All Blacks, but I think to come back from that,
you know, you have to you have to hold the head,
you know, and and to get the All Blacks on
on on the ropes like they did the huge amount

(47:35):
of pride. As I said, We've been close to you
guys in the past on the score, but we've been
ahead of you going into the final quarter. But I
think that was the first time where you really felt,
you know, that the Scotland were in control. So I
mean it's frustrating that we didn't finish it off, but
you I think, you know, it's a gallant loser things.
I think some of the more cynical Scotts are sitting
here saying, let's not say that. Let's you know, we
need to be we need to be a bit harder

(47:57):
on the team. We can't carry on being gallant losers.

Speaker 9 (47:59):
But I think we just have to kind of.

Speaker 19 (48:02):
I'm more optimistic than that. So yeah, I think and
I think the player should certainly take a huge amount
of tide from it.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
So and now we're almost in the midway point of
the of the World cap cycle. How do you assays
where the Scotland rugby team is two years out from
the next World Cap.

Speaker 19 (48:17):
I have to say I'm a lot more optimistic now
than I was that took three or four hours ago
before kickoff.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I mean, we're in quite good.

Speaker 9 (48:27):
We've got you know, you know, we're.

Speaker 19 (48:29):
Missing Xander Fagus and the tight head prop today and
I have to say Darcy re stood up. But you know,
we're We've got really good strength and depths a certain areas,
we're kind of thin in other areas. We still don't
have a pack that can dominate the position. So I think,
I think we're okay, We're okay, But yeah, I just

(48:51):
you know, the last two World Cups of you haven't
gone well for us, so I'm just I'm love to
get too excited about it at the moment, but we're okay.
I mean, it's the last it's the last roll of
the dice for you know, for this generation of players.
You know, Stuart Hogs already gone, but Finn Russell's thirty two,
thirty three. Now you know you'll be thirty four by
the saying the World Cup comes around, you know, we've
got to do it now, or you know, I think
you don't not do it. I don't think we're gonna

(49:12):
win the World Cup, but you know, kind of have
a real, a real go at it to get to
a quarter finals and this is this it's got to.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Be now and never really I think for us and
Murrayfield as always just explained it from from twelve thousand
miles a while and now it's a place you've been
too often. One hundred year celebration this way, Kane, how
was the occasion?

Speaker 7 (49:32):
It was? It was?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I have to say it was excellent.

Speaker 19 (49:34):
You know in that period in the middle of the
second half when Scotland or on top and there's a
kind of impromptu you know, Flowers Scotland took off and
it echoed around the stadium and it's as loud as
I've heard that flower Scotland been sang at Murrayfield.

Speaker 7 (49:47):
So you know, it was. It was a great atmosphere.

Speaker 9 (49:50):
There's a kind of new kind of.

Speaker 19 (49:54):
Matagment at the top of the SRU at the moment,
and they have spent a bit of money kind of
sprushing up the stadium and so it's looking a lot
better than it was, you know, because it's an old
stadium now it's forty years old. But it was looking
great the atmosphere that that, and you see only to
approach to spoke about it at the end that you
know that was a heres on the back of the
neck when in flur of Scotland was equing or in
the stadium, and so you know, in that sense it

(50:15):
was a great day to be Scotland fan at Monfield.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I think brilliant stuff. Hey, David, thank you for joining
us and staying up for us. David Barnes there out
of the off side line, he writes for them, A
long time Scottish rugby journalist joining us here on news
talk ZEDB one sixteen. Take a few more calls on
the rugby before we move on. If we're able to
get through between twelve and one, give us a bell
now of eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. So

(50:37):
interesting listening to David there, isn't it. He's obviously been
watching Scottish rugby for a long long time. There was
almost a hint of resignation in his voice, wasn't there?
At times? There I mean, lovely guy, really good writer.
It just feels like he echoes the sentiments of Scottish
rugby fans. They must wonder if they are ever going

(50:58):
to beat the All Blacks. They get close, they think
it might be their day. I'm sure for large parts
of today they thought today was going to be their day.
But they're just not able to get across the line.
You know it must be it must be deeply, deeply
frustrating to get so close and not be able to

(51:19):
do it.

Speaker 11 (51:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
It just felt like he was speaking for all of
Scotland there when he was talking about how they get
so close, and he couldn't quite put his finger on
exactly what it was that they needed to do to
get that elusive win. And it's probably not one thing,
is it. It's just a combination of circumstances that they

(51:43):
have as yet not being able to combine. Otherwise they
would have beaten us, wouldn't they They would have found
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our number nine two nine to two For your text messages,
We've got a bit of Alredo had to play from
a couple of the key participants as well, but we'd
love to hear from you. We'd love to have you
as a participant on the show. John says Piney. I'm

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not sure why this was going to be Scotland's best
shot ed one over the All Blacks? Was it just
feel good? Hope? Because of the Murrayfield anniversary, hopes and
dreams are easily dashed. Heaven knows that as a Wellington
supporter of mine have been often love it, John, Thanks mate, Hello.

Speaker 11 (52:22):
Mike, good a good afternoon, Piney.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
What's on your mind, Mike? H I can hear your fine, mate,
I can hear your fine.

Speaker 11 (52:33):
So I watched the game this morning and I put
it with all the other games that you Zealand have
played this year, and I've been very frustrated with the
All Blacks and I'm sure a lot of other people
have as well.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
What is that the heart of your frustration, Mike. What
is frustrating you the most?

Speaker 11 (52:56):
Well, two things, really, discipline. It's costing us time and
letting a decent lead disappear. And it's not against just
against what we did to Scotland today, we did it
against the Australians as well and South Africa. In part

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where I was at.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yeah, I know what you're saying, Mike. It's some of
that of a conversation we we're having last hour, and
that it's never felt the shear, as though the All
Blacks have put distance between themselves and somebody else to
the point where you feel comfortable watching it.

Speaker 11 (53:34):
Well, I've been listening to a lot of feedback around
the game after Ireland, and everyone's just been so hyper
about that last ten minutes of that game, and yet
the rest of the game was very frustrating to watch,
partly because of a referee. But they're All Blacks. We

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hedn't get out of jail free cards, let's put it
that way.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
You're looking for the complete performance, Mike. You're looking for
that elusive eighty minutes, aren't you. I think we all
are good to chat to your mate. Look this morning.
In the first half, I thought after the first half
was very encouraging for me, the early try, which kind
of took the pressure off and took the crowd out
of it a bit. Then the All Blacks were sort
of bashing away at the Scotland line without being able

(54:22):
to get past their pretty stern defense, and they decided
to take a penalty make it ten nil. Scotland had
a couple of chances which were held up over the
line by good defense, and then the try right at
the end of the half for Will Jordan. So seventeen
nil at halftime, and you think, okay, this is going
to plan. This is the plan, this is the all Blacks.

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The only little caveat was Leroy Carter's yellow at the
end of that first half, which should have served as
a little reminder or a little cursory tale of what
was to come, because no sooner had he got back
on that Ardisav went off and then Ladder Wallace and Teetha. Anyway,
it wasn't the performance. I think that we all hoped
and Scotland got close because of that. But I thought

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the first half was pretty good, pretty good. Thanks for
your call, Mike, Ben.

Speaker 20 (55:09):
How are you fine, mate? I'm actually bugging, mate, like
I've been up since two o'clock. Just what a night,
what a morning. The worst thing about my situation is
I invited all the boys around for Kiwis and Sama tonight,
and and I'm cooking, so I've been marinating meat. I've

(55:31):
got to stay awake, mate, I've gotta I need something
something else to get me.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Through, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I'm not sure marinated meat's gonna do it.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
For you.

Speaker 20 (55:44):
Were we're smoking meat again. But yeah, that's that's for
six o'clock. Look what a morning, man, What a morning.
And it sort of takes me back to the time
I got when Ireland first beat the All Backs. We
watched that game, washed that game with my mate same

(56:05):
name as you, and we had our other two Irish
mates there after they won, me me and me and
Jay said to go outside for a dairy. But these
two fellows were crying. They were crying and tears the
joy man like, and you just really hit home as
to how how much it would have meant. And I

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guess it'd be like, you know, I've had that situation
where you had the big bully at school, you know,
who always got.

Speaker 9 (56:33):
The better of you.

Speaker 20 (56:35):
You finally got the better and one day I don't know,
like and you just you just you goes out like
I'm twenty eight percent Scottish Ley, So yeah, you just
they going going from what we've seen from Ireland and
from Argentina in Japan over over the spring box that year,

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the day will come, The day will come, mark my words,
the day will come and and the way they're traveling
is in the right direction.

Speaker 9 (57:07):
Men, Like, what a game?

Speaker 7 (57:09):
What a game?

Speaker 20 (57:10):
All of One thing to summarized this morning's rugby for
all teams is discipline, yew cards. They're going to kill
you and they're going to or they're going to separate
the Look at look at the spring box.

Speaker 7 (57:23):
Men.

Speaker 20 (57:24):
That just proves again why they're the world's best.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
But they got a recad, didn't they They got they
got a recad. Luda Yaga got sent off, didn't he
just right at the end of the first half, and
yet they still managed to win it going away.

Speaker 20 (57:40):
They still managed to pull it back in and that
just shows you know why they are the world's best
at the moment. Yeah, what a what a game. I've
seen that game against fig and yeah, that was that

(58:02):
was a wicked game that follow I can't wait till
next week, man, because we're going to get to see
in raisers with the world's fastest man in rugby that's
against the Arundel.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yeah, it'll be a cracker, Ben, it'll be a cracker.
Well I'm staying awake, mate. I wonder whether you'd have
a little nap before the league. What are we won
twenty four? I know you got to marinate the meat. Yeah,
I worry about you, Ben, I worry about how you're
going to be during this lead test, late mate. But
begs for taking the time to call Yig stayed with

(58:35):
England for cheepers an hour. They were twenty one eighteen
ahead after an hour of that game this morning at
Twickenham before unfortunately for the Fijians, England woke up and
on they were twenty one eighteen behind. My apologies, twenty

(58:56):
one eighteen behind, so they got within three with an
hour with an hour played and then England just kind
of pulled away from them. There's some interesting results this morning. Actually,
I watched a bit of that France South Africa game
as I was getting ready to come on the radio
earlier in South Africa winning at thirty two seventeen at
the start to France, it's a good win, yeah, they would.

(59:19):
They went down to fourteen just before halftime. Lou Dieger
was sent off for a shoulder charge on the head
of a French player, but they still managed to get
the job done thirty two to seventeen. Australia lost. It's
a lee. Did you catch up with that? It's a
lead twenty six the Wallaby's nineteen. It hasn't been a

(59:40):
great year for the Wallabies. Hasn't much As we've talked
about their improvements and how they look good in patches
and how they got close to us in that test
in Auckland and they could have would have should have
beaten the British and Irish Lions. They still haven't had
a very good year, have they. I just want to
go back and check this. So they lost two one

(01:00:01):
to the British and Irish Lions. Then they went over
to South Africa, had that game in joe Burg where
they won thirty eight two, and it was like right,
this is Australia, this is US, now it's the Wallabies.
Then they lost to South Africa. They beat Argentina narrowly
and lost to Argentina, narrowly, lost to US twice, narrowly
beat Japan, lost to England last week and hardly fired

(01:00:22):
a shot and lost to Italy this morning. So it's
hardly been a banner year for Australia, hasn't. They've got
to pay Ireland in France they could lose those as well.
Scotland will never beat us, says Mars. If they take
pride in a loss, it has to hurt for them
to want it more. Now All Blacks fan or player
would take pride and a loss, correct Mars. But I

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guess if you're one hundred and twenty years without beating
a certain opponents, you would be proud to get close
to them. But I know what you mean. This one
says the Scottish bloodlines and me say, geesez we couldn't capitalize.
The Kiwi in me says, geez, we were lucky. Good text,
good text, Frank.

Speaker 21 (01:00:59):
I mate, Oh hell Bunny, Yeah, I'm the warrior flag waiver.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Yes, Frank, Hello.

Speaker 21 (01:01:09):
They finished up pretty well, didn't they anyway? The All Blacks?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:01:13):
I intended to get up this morning at four, but
I overslept and woke up about quart to five and
I turned my radio on and oh yeah, we just
scored oh oh hang on seventeen mill. So I got up,
made myself a cup of coffee, sandwich, sat down in
mel and turned the TV on. I'm going to I'm
going to enjoy this because I had a bit, I

(01:01:34):
had a bit of skin in the game, you know,
and Bugger me what Scotland scott They've got. We opened
the back door for them when we dropped when on
the kickoff, but we opened the door for them, and
boy did they come rushing in seventeen all. And I
thought they had the momentum. They like swot I mean,

(01:01:57):
it's probably like it all momentum, it's and they were
just they were fizzing. But I tell you where the
game changed. And I think it was Reiguard. That Scottish
guy was going for the corner and Roy god flew
across and the guy dropped the ball, didn't score. And
then of course Mackenzie. I mean, I mean, he's well,

(01:02:19):
he just had a game of his lifetime this morning.
I mean that was that kick was brilliant. He scored
from the kick and then he even scored a penalty
and he had that little grin and I thought, yeah,
that little grin, that's our win. But here I fell
for the Scots because that really was their opportunity. They
had the momentum. But well, the All Blacks, and I'll

(01:02:42):
tell you one thing, Piney, I just didn't like the
All Blacks playing in white, and I thought that was
their downfall.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
The shirt color. Frank, Yeah, I know it's not. It's
a bit jarring, isn't it when you when you see it,
it's it's not quite the same. And I guess when
we play Scotland, especially over there where you sort of
give up that advantage to them with their darker shirts.
Interesting what you said about when you tune. So, yeah,
so the rest of us watched a seventeen n'l win
for the All Blacks in the first time you hit

(01:03:11):
to watch a seventeen eight loss to Scotland in the
second half.

Speaker 21 (01:03:17):
I know, I've sat down and I was because I've
said I do a little bit of betting. I'm not
a big high roller, but I had a bit of money,
and I just felt that we were better than Scott's.
I just felt it was anyway, I knew the scotch
had a couple of their top men out and I
was going to sit down and enjoy it, and I thought,
bugger what And then the game they scored what seventeen

(01:03:39):
forty penalty I thought, oh, well, well, this is one
game the All Blacks are not going to win because
they're not playing in all black, They're playing in all white.
And we know what all white means so. But anyway
they got it, they scrambled out of it somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Good on your Frank, Hey, good summary, good summary, and
I hope you did get some some proved financials toy
at the end of it all, if you know what
I mean. Good to jet to you, Frank. Finally, not
sure what it is about the All Blacks this year,
but it feels like we've gone backwards a bit. Weirdly.
It seems to be linked with dmac off the bench.
I'd like to see him start against the English next week.

(01:04:20):
Our performances seemed a lot better when he was starting. Interesting, Kyle,
because he's only, as I mentioned before, only started three
Test matches. Just let me check the scores of those
three test matches. He started at ten when we beat
France twenty nine to nineteen in Hamilton. He also started

(01:04:41):
against Australia in Perth at first five when we won
twenty eight fourteen. His other start was at fullback against
South Africa and Wellington, and I don't think we need
to reliittigate what happened there. It seems as though, as
I said before, the evolution of Damien McKenzie and the
All Blacks at the moment is to that twenty three
and I think if we crystal ball gaze a little bit,

(01:05:05):
that might not beat his detriment when Richie mor Onoger
comes back. At the risk of repeating myself, we all
know that Scott Robinson is a massive fan of Richie Mortonger.
So where does that leave Bowden Barrett as the starting
first five for the majority of the test matches this year?

(01:05:29):
Boden Barrett has started nine test matches in the ten
Jersey this year. What does it mean for him when
Damien Mackenzie stays in twenty three and Richie Mornger comes
into the ten Because I don't see a situation where
you can have all three of them in the twenty
three unless Boden Barrett goes back to fallback. That's the
only way I can see it. Twenty nine away from two,

(01:05:52):
A few more calls and then James mcconey, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, we're back in a moment
with more of your thoughts the Voice of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
The twenty six to two. Good solid start from the
black Caps in Nelson. In the fifth over they are
thirty seven without lost. Evan Conway unbeaten on eighteen. Tim
Robinson there on seventeen, so a good start for the
black Caps. In Game three of this T twenty series.
Having won the Tyson elected to bat. Hello, Phil, Hi,
Jason mate, very good, Phil, very good.

Speaker 22 (01:06:30):
I watched all the sports and it also went into
the stadium last night in Wellington, and I think that
all Blacks were lucky. But the thing that's disappointed me
most this morning, I almost have to have a second shower.
I just was a little bit upset at the and
the odds were down, you know, all Blacks were losing,

(01:06:51):
and the Auckland AFC were down to ten players and
up against Phoenix of course got twelve corners thirteen corners
and they couldn't get it across the line, so that's
their fault. But when when we're up again, all bits
or whatever, the filth starts. It's like a self entitled arrogance.

(01:07:12):
And it was a fringe and fringe and fringe yellow cards,
yellow cards, yellow cards, two red cards at the stadium
last night.

Speaker 20 (01:07:19):
These people have to get a grip.

Speaker 22 (01:07:21):
It's only a game. And pleased we won, but it's
only a game and they need to look at that.
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Yeah, I think, Yeah, I think something funny happens to
human beings when they take to the sports field. Fill
some human beings, I hasten to add, not all of them.
I think they call it the red mist. I think
sometimes sport can be very emotional, and sometimes that emotion
boils over and what we get as storylines. Look, I
was at the stadium last night as well, and yeah,

(01:07:50):
I mean heck of an atmosphere. Unfortunately for Phoenix fans,
they couldn't get the job done against an Auckland FC
teams becoming a pretty tough proposition.

Speaker 12 (01:08:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I think the yellow cards this morning in the All
Blacks game, I'm not sure that they were sort of
what you describe as filth. There weren't sort of haymakers
being thrown the you know, slightly different set of circumstances.

Speaker 22 (01:08:12):
Yeah, it's a bit like arrogance. You know what, I
mean to beat us, so we're going to infringe, So
you can't. I love rugby, I bree you know, honestly,
and there's plenty of that dished out from my games
when I was younger and referrerings plenty of that. But
the thing is that just disappointed me.

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
So there we go.

Speaker 9 (01:08:27):
I've got that out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Good on your film. Well, I'm I'm pleased to provide
the platform for it. Always here for you. Good to
hear from you. What are we twenty three away from too,
James McCarney. Shortly, there's here from Artie Savia, captain of
the All Blacks today. What was as overall summary?

Speaker 23 (01:08:43):
We started well, you know in the first half and
then black Rays I said, it's just you know, myself
getting a yellow card and you know he's got to
be more accurate in those and those are just individual
fixes that you know, we look hard in the mirror
and do that. But that's footy and I'm just proud
of the boys that we could have gone either way.
In the crowd in the background, we ad to take

(01:09:05):
a breath and move towards that pressure all that what
the Scottish we're bringing to us, or we'd just be
calm and then now our next moment and next moments.
And I thought we did that towards the end.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Ari Savia was yellow carded early in the second half.
What was it like watching from the synburn.

Speaker 23 (01:09:23):
You as a leader, you're HEARDing on the sideline, But
at the same time, you've got to come on and
bring composure, bring energy, the right sort of energy the
boys need. And I thought that's what we did, not
just myself, but bas and Dull while I was off.
They lead really well. So first and foremost, not get
carded and put our teams under pressure and then obviously

(01:09:44):
just keep trying to stack moments.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Next from Adie Severe, how did the All Blacks let
Scotland come back into the game from seventeen mill ahead.

Speaker 23 (01:09:52):
Yeah, we put it down. We dropped the kickoff right
at the beginning, and then you know, just Scotland grew
another leg. And it's a testament. I said it in
the week their quality side seventeen up, they're not gonna
they're gonna throw everything at you did parts of that
game we didn't handle it. So it's on us to actually,
you know, when we are in the lead like that,

(01:10:14):
how can we be more ruthless because you know we weren't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
And finally from Arlie Savia is there's still a degree
of pride in the fact that they won the Test match.

Speaker 23 (01:10:23):
I think we're sitting here and were acting like we lost.
We won, and you know, as All Black that you know,
we're really grateful and blessed. I know, and rugby, you know,
you're never satisfied or we're never happy with for performance.
But to come out of that and the special occasion
it was for Murrayfield and as an All Black under
what we under the pressure we were under, for the

(01:10:43):
boys to come out with the winners, you know, be
really grateful and happy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
That is the voice of Arlie Savia final a few texts,
Michael says, gritty test, but kickoffs and high ball need improving.
The Palms are going to pepper us with high balls
next week, thanks Michael. From Rob, these teams are so
competitive now and the All Blacks will have to work
for every victory. Not perfect by any means, but plenty

(01:11:08):
to work on with disruption through injury, but some great
new talent coming through for the next few years. Patience
and positivity is what is required. Thank you, Rob. And
finally from Macca, binding on with Ben three point thirty
out of bed this morning, cook breakfast for the four
o'clock All Blacks game. Listen to your show while watching
the cricket.

Speaker 9 (01:11:27):
Just top.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
My missus just dropped off the roast for a barbecue
to cook. Everything done before six and then the Kiwi's Macca.
Sounds like you're living my life. All you do is
base it around sport. I don't mind it. Forty six
without loss. The black Caps are batting first against the
West Indies and Nelson in the sixth over Devin Conway
and Tim Robinson getting the New Zealand off to a
good start yet looks like a cracking day again. Nelson

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beautiful part of the country and they love their cricket
in Nelson and enjoying what they're seeing. I'm sure we'll
take a break come back. It's twenty to two James
mconey after this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
The Big Issues on and after Field call O eighty
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Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
News Talks seventeen to two. John says Piney, can you
please say spoiler alert before you mentioned the cricket, otherwise
I'm gonna have to turn you off? Sorry, John? Okay, Hey, John,
spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
One?

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
How long we was supposed to give it all?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
John, you got your radio down? I suppose you have
forty seven for one, the black Caps forty seven for
one to Robinson's out court and bold for twenty three
right and Ravender out to join Devin Conway and coming
towards the end of the sixth over forty seven for one.
They used to do that on TV, didn't they. They
used to say, if you don't want to know the score,
look away now, and then they put it up on
the screen. You remember that, James Maconey, would you?

Speaker 9 (01:12:50):
Yes, that's right, Yeah, there's all I mean, look, how
many spoilers we are we looking after here? You know,
Like I think for movies it's fair, but for live sport,
when you're listening to a sports show, I don't think
you can ask the host that they have no spoilers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Sorry, Yeah, I haven't given away the ending. Yeah, haven't
given by the ending to six cents or anything like that,
have I?

Speaker 9 (01:13:10):
Exactly? Yeah, it's right if you Yeah, we're not going
to give away the end, the twist and sixtense, so
you're safe out there, but you might give a cricket
score okay, so yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Did you think there was going to be a twist
in the All Blacks Scotland game? Did you think that
Scotland might finally get that elusive victory this morning?

Speaker 9 (01:13:30):
Well, there was a worry that third quarter with the
Scottish attack what I would describe as high octane, one
out running where look, when they lift the tempo like that,
I think it's hard for any team to withstand that.
But the All Blacks, I thought they showed a lot
of resolve though super plucky on defense. The way that

(01:13:51):
when they did come in waves that you know, some
of our defense, some of the tackles from Larkeye wallas
a Tt while he was on there, and others in
the forwards as well, I just thought was really impressive.
And I think we now it talks about moments, and
I think all your callers have talked about several of
those moments, and the ones that stand out for me

(01:14:14):
were the turnovers from Larky and Leicester Farreing, the mccoup,
the trysaver from Camroy guard and then those three moments
from Damien McKenzie who won us the game.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah, yeah, no moments and amongst an earty minute game
year it's being on. Those are the things we talk
about and the things that are so integral that fifty
twenty two. I know we see the most games, right,
there's a fifty twenty two in a lot of rugby games.
But just when that fifty twenty two came, and I
think the demoralizing effect it had on Scotland sort of

(01:14:47):
nearing the end of that game was pretty key was
and I think that was the key moment.

Speaker 9 (01:14:52):
Yeah, I think so too. And it looked like a
set play to me. It looked like they didn't want
to cross the halfway line, therefore giving McKenzie the opportunity
to kick the fifty twenty two. Of course there's not
that far the actual to be able to kick those.
I've seen him kicked by accident Peter o'mony at sky
Stadium in Wellington Springs to mind an accidental fifty twenty two.

(01:15:14):
So dmac was back on the ten meter, but landing
it so close to the Scottish goal line was an
absolute dagger and I applauded him he drew up that
play because it did look really deliberate and d mac's contortionist,
you know, like honestly, it was like something out of
SIRCD a sole at and I mean, I don't want
to get into my dating history, but there was this one.

(01:15:36):
No anyway, it was like there was. It wasn' an
impressive finish. I haven't seen anything like that in a
big test. Just two players sort of swatted aside as
he sort of slammed it behind his back. That was massive.
And also a substitute winning man in the match. You

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hardly ever see it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
No, it was a performance to be proud of for
Damien McKenzie, that's for sure.

Speaker 9 (01:16:04):
Also, Pony, before we move on, I didn't. I just
that one of your listeners was saying, maybe the theme
song for the All Black should be Yellow by Coldplay,
and I have pens and lyrics if you'd like to
hear it listens for that listener. I'd love to get dedications.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yes, absolutely, Here we go.

Speaker 12 (01:16:23):
Look at the cards, the ones the red shows you
for all the scenes that you do, and they were
all yellow. You trip, the guy, collapse, the mall or
two slap down, a past day through and you got
show yellow.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
That is utterly, brilliant, utterly, I just I just know
that's what we're going to be hearing on Craig goes
well tomorrow night, surely or is it just is it
just for us?

Speaker 9 (01:16:54):
It's just me? Do you want exclusives? It be exclusive.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
I'm so proud to get it. That's magnificent stuff. I'll
tomorrow morning on the I'll Live None of Our morning
on the ten past eight commentary box and say hey, Mike,
I've got a little song for you.

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'll love it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Speaking of yellow and yellow fever segue there for you,
do you think the Phoenix will level win one of
these derbies?

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
Yes, they will. I thought they were pretty impressive. I've
never heard the term high line mentioned so many times
in commentary Pinty, but you're definitely If you're playing a
drinking game where you mentioned high line, I think there'll
be a few inebriated spectators, don't you think.

Speaker 19 (01:17:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Yeah, But it is a talking point, isn't it, Especially
when the high line lets you down after twenty eight
seconds and it.

Speaker 9 (01:17:45):
Is it's a danger, right, this is the whole thing.
And it's happened to them again. I mean, well it
happened against Perth and now we see it. And of
course what we're talking about is where the defense are
pretty much forcing the issues, standing a bit further forward
than they normally would that defensive line and I don't know, Yes,
it puts a bit of pressure on but I'll tell
you what, it leads gaps and I think that it

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has to stop the high line. Once they get they
come up with a compromise because they scored an absolute
beauty of a goal. You can tell. I mean, where
did they find this Nigerian striker?

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Yeah, incredible. You know his last his last club was
in Iraq. You've got to love football to play football
in Iraq.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
That's what he's played for all the OLS. You know
that our every club begins with OL. You know call
me al So I mean the one thing with the
with the phoenix that I think, and you've got Steve
Corriker I think coming up. I'm not sure, but he
after two he's a stern fellow and I think of
it a fair fact that helps when it comes down

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to closing out big games like that. And I mean
chief he is lovely, lovely man. But you know there's
there's that and also just leadership and that that's where
how Aukan they see based their team. Orki Sakai, a
few others, a few key people. All that they got
in there the strata, we sort of solidify their team,

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Whereas I think Wellington, apart from Alex Rufer, there's always
a bit of a bit of a movable feast and
once they settle on that, I think it's a fair
fight right now. I look forward to the to the rematch.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
To be honest, A couple of red cards shown last night.
Steve Corker didn't agree with the first one. I'll ask
him why. After two I think the logan Rogerson won,
there's no intense but the outcomers he's he's landed as
studs halfway up. Lucas Kelly healed shin. That was always
going to be a red, wasn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:19:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:19:39):
I think so. The one issue I have with with
red cards in the A League is they're shown very
easily to the New Zealand teams. But I've seen pretty
much a shoulder charge it would be a sin but
at least than most in either rugby code, and the
player just wanders around like he's no big deal, you know,
And they say it's shoulders, the shoulder, and it's like
that's not really what the law is intended. It doesn't

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mean you can come in and absolutely take someone out.
So I find that the physicality, yes, I mean you're
right studs. When the studs are up and they and
they really do some damage, then yes. But I mean
there's a lot of stuff that happens in football where
you know it is accidental, there's no malice intended, and
then sometimes a red card just comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Just before you go key. We tour some more tonight
in the Pacific Championship Rugby League final. Could this be
quite close? It could be quite close. Could some more
win this?

Speaker 9 (01:20:35):
Yeah, one hundred percent they could? They blew it last time? Really,
I think it was Dean Mare and to put down
a pretty sharp ball. Had a bit of source on
it really from Blaze to Lungey. But this is the
whole thing. I think even Brian Taall had a chance
in the dying stages of the early game amount smart.
I mean some more do. That's a star studded team,

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so even those players have just mentioned there, you've got
premiership winners with recent premiership winners, You've got Rogers, two
Vasus she painhasses in there. That there's no weak links
because even if you look at your house comb combo
with Jerome Lewy joining Blaize to Langey, it's just really
nice team to watch and so I think it will

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be an entertaining game. But the wonder thing about the
Kiwis is they seem to be They've got a really
tough heart to the team and the spine has seems
to be operating just well enough. Phoenix Crossland will be
in at Hoker, which has always been a little bit
of a problem position over the years for the Kiwis,
and you know kieren Fran just hanging on. But look

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for example of Jerome Hughes was fit, I'd say, hey,
we're winning this, but right now it looks like it
could be very close. I haven't written a song for
this one, sorry Piney, but definitely worth a look. At
six pm.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
On Sky what could I request a song about Wellington's
high Line to the tune of Back in the High
Life Again by Steve Wynwood. Would you be able to
come up with song? I'm not not straight away, but
maybe next week. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:22:09):
No, I'm happy to do that and quite speaking quite
a high voice, Steve when would say asking a lot
of me party but I'm happy to deliver.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Okay, love it James. Always good chatting mate, James mcconey,
big part of our Sundays six and a half to
two weekend Sport news Talks. Here be three and a
half to two. After two we'll focus on on the football.
Massive drama, sporting theater of the highest order last night
at sky Stadium in the Aleg Derby, Auckland f C
keeping their one hundred percent winning record over Wellington Phoenix
alive a two to one went over Wellington even when

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they went down to nine men coach Steve Coricker after
the two o'clock news.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
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Speaker 7 (01:22:54):
US Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Coming up two o seven. This is weekend Sport on
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to us Auckland FC head coach how happy is he
after another Derby win last night to won over Wellington
Phoenix with nine men at the end. Incredible scenes at
sky Stadium last night. We'll get inside the Kiwis camp

(01:23:19):
as well ahead of their Pacific Nations Championship final against
Tour Summer just after six to night New Zealand time.
This game's over in Sydney. Kiwi's assistant Steve Price is
with us this hour as well. Keep you updated on
the cricket text th Rehirpin. You just had a rowing
club event at Hastings Market. We did a two hundred

(01:23:40):
and fifty meter sprint race on rowing machines. One of
our senior guys set a record and then this big,
tall rangy guy turned up, jumped on and beat it
by a second, none other than a cricket player by
the name of Blair Tickner.

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Blair Tickner, fast bowler and pretty handy rower by the
sounds of it as well. Your cause and correspondents continue
to be welcome O. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine two ninety two if you would prefer to correspond
by text. But as we get towards eight past two,
as we always do at this time on weekend sport,
it's time to catch you up on the wide and

(01:24:19):
varied range of sport that's been happening over the last
little while that you may not have had the opportunity
to catch up on in case shemister. Starting with rugby League,
an Ashes sweep for the Kangaroos, capped off by none
other than Rhys Walsh.

Speaker 16 (01:24:35):
Walsh Walsh with the dummy Whals with this snap too
hot to handle hoed just I s Australia's take three
now series win to vncing scoreline.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
Even when they lower there on.

Speaker 16 (01:24:49):
The canvas, they've picked themselves up.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
I won this game and then Anakanton. In Football's Premier League,
League leaders Arsenal And drop points thanks to a ninety
fourth minute equalizer from Sunderland's Brian Brobbie is getting balances
in their credit music.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
Jim Nashik sim Sasha minutes ninety four. The first team
has scored two goals against last all this season.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
The point from the two wall draw though still enough
to keep Arsenal clear at the top of the Premier
League table. Meantime, Tottenham appeared to have stolen a late
win from Manchester United.

Speaker 16 (01:25:33):
Out oddib sighted it aft and it's in for Tottenham.
Risharlison with the final tenning touch two in seven minutes
late on for s First have turned this around.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
But at the very last possible moment, man you, Claud
Becker points, oh this is it, isn't it? Last opportunity?
Today's United tense talk moments Bruner Fernandez corner and it's.

Speaker 16 (01:26:01):
Batiste the list and Manchester United may well have had
the final word. The game had apparently slipped away and
they have holed.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
It back in to Formula one. A sprint win in
Brazil for McLaren.

Speaker 25 (01:26:15):
Morteletto has come to a standstill and the Senna SSEs
and says he's okay, which is great news. It really
is the great news. For Lando Norris. He's started on pole.
No one's ever won the sprint from pole here before
they have. Now Lando Norris wins the sprints in South Paolo.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
The main race tomorrow morning, with Liam Lawson seventh on
the grid into International Rugby England finishing well to beat
Fig thirty eight eighteen okay class looking to pick up Mangard.

Speaker 16 (01:26:46):
I've got a finger on it, Hortsmith fixed up, Smith
treads it, fors.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Off goes out and a here's lightning squid and he
might want with the racer.

Speaker 11 (01:27:00):
The value on out and.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Gas the spring marks overcame a red card to beat
France thirty two seventeen. Look at there s Feinberg and Comazolo.
That surely is it Reylex Jones celebrating with the new
Centurion section. This second half from the spring books has

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been out of this world and a shock win for
Italy over the Wallabies.

Speaker 26 (01:27:31):
Have the Italians got another trick up their sleeve?

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Men and shallow again drives straight and through. It sucks
in Australian defenders. Has it sucked in enough?

Speaker 26 (01:27:40):
It might have You know, it might have NNI complete
the Australian born wingers playing for Italy doubles.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
When it's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
You made a call on eight Weekend Sports with Jason
Pine News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Zimby coming up twelve minutes past two. Unbelievable sporting drama
in Wellington last night.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
As derby domination continues.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
But I dare you to have imagined this. I challenge
you to find fitter sporting theater. Ten this awkand FC
down to ten men with forty minutes to play, down
to nine men with ten minutes to go, hanging tough
and hanging on to beat Wellington Phoenix to one. Incredible

(01:28:33):
night at sky Stadium Auckland FC head coach Steve Corriker
is whether Steve congrets on the win? What was your
overriding emotion when you woke up this morning and contemplated
another derby win over Wellington Phoenix.

Speaker 24 (01:28:46):
Just tell how well the boys did really with nine men? Yeah,
it's never easy. Obviously I've had ten men before and
come away with a win. But with nine men, you know,
you would think that they would overrun us. But I
was just so proud really of the players and how
they they performed under pressure like that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
What is the strategy, as you say, it's quite new,
isn't it. It's not common. What is the strategy with
nine v eleven?

Speaker 24 (01:29:15):
Well, for us, you know, we like to keep the
ex nice and compacts. We believe then if we get
them out wide into the white areas and they start
knocking crosses into the box and we have good bodies
in there that we can deal with crosses, which we
did and they For me, I felt really comfortable even
with nine men because the way they were going about it,

(01:29:37):
they were doing exactly that and I was quite happy
with that. So it felt like, you know, our players
were obviously up for the challenge. Defending one v ones
in the white area was very good. But also when
they did deliver balls into the box, normally we had
the first contact. Sometimes they got the second one, but
we had enough pressure on the ball to actually stop
them from really getting any real shots off.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Let's talk about the two red cards Dan Halls wanted
to start with. I understand you might have had some
contact with the head of referee on that one. Can
you give us your view on Dan Hall's red card?

Speaker 24 (01:30:09):
Yeah, obviously Terry Mafflin's always in contact with John Moss,
so yeah, we think it was a bit harsh the
coup for a couple of reasons. I think Piper handboard
handballed around the halfway line. I think when he first
got contact of the ball, and that also you know,
for me, I don't I don't really see Dan Hall
as being the last man if you look how close

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Francis was to him. So whether you know and it
comes out of this, obviously I doubt it, but you know,
for me, it shouldn't have been a red card. And
then really the logan one after that probably stabs from
the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
I would say, in what way, you.

Speaker 24 (01:30:51):
Know, just a little bit hard done. By I think
with Dan Hall's one, so you know, he's just getting
stuck in. Obviously he wasn't a good challenge. I've got
no problems with him being sent off with with that
kind of challenge, you know, but I think that's a
little bit of fresh stration as well from Dan Hawk,
you know, being sent off.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
So will you can you appeal? Will you appeal? Do
you do you expect that there that the red card
for Hall, I mean for Dan Hall might be rescinded.

Speaker 24 (01:31:18):
Well, I'm not sure we will ask the question, but
I think if you do appeal sometimes, you know, I
think they can put another a week on. So obviously
we don't want that, so but we're yeah, well we'll
have some discussions about it and just see what our
options are.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Both of your goals came by virtue of breaking Wellington's
high line, which has been talked about a lot. The
first one inside thirty seconds. How specifically did you prepare
to take advantage of the way Wellington defend.

Speaker 24 (01:31:51):
Yeah, we did a lot of work on it, to
be honest with that. We thought that was their weakness
and you know, we've seen from the other games that
you know, other teams have had many opportunities from their
high line and probably didn't capitalize as much for us.
I think we took both chances exceptionally well. Jesse Randall
was you know, he said, once he breaks the line,

(01:32:12):
no one's going to catch him. He's so fast. And
you know, I'm so pleased for him as well, because
he's starting to add obviously goals to his game and
assists now as well, so you know, he's worked really
hard and he's probably, like I said before, he's probably
been one of our best in pre season and now
he's starting to show it in the league as well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
I think they've given your second goal to Sam Cosgrove.
I've checked it, I think now as well.

Speaker 24 (01:32:37):
But I think when I think so as well. But
I think when it touches Sam, I think he's already
in the goal, so I'm not sure who's claiming it.
I'm pretty sure it's Jesse's goal, but yeah, I'm pretty
sure Sam would probably take it if he if he
could as well. But yeah, like I said to the players,
I don't care who scores goals. It's just about making

(01:32:59):
sure that the best person in the right spot just
to play him the ball. And I think Jesse did
that well, regardless of where he gets credit for the
goal or not. Jesse Randalls build up to that second goal,
as you say, he's electrifying, He's away from his man
and there's no stopping him. Can you just spare his touch?
Was his first touch was the one that set that up.

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He just brought it into his stride as he was
running and then you know, the second one was a
little bit heavier touch and I thought, you know, maybe
that he could have been cut out, but it was
perfect in the end. It was great.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Can you talk a bit more about his development Steve?
Last season, I'm just looking at the stands now. He
played twenty times, but only six starts. You've used them
from the start, and you've talked often about how impressive
he's been in pre season. What are you seeing from
Jesse Randal in terms of his development as an A
League footballer.

Speaker 24 (01:33:47):
I think with all young players when they start, and
obviously for us it was new for everyone the A League.
No one's laid in it and not a lot of
them have played in it before.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
A young boy.

Speaker 24 (01:33:57):
He was picked up a lot of nig League little
injuries and I think for me that's been the big
turning point for him. He went away in the office
and he's worked harder on his body to make it stronger,
and I really think it's paid off. You know, come
back really super fit at the start of pre season
and hasn't looked back. Really He's learned along the way.

(01:34:18):
He's learning all the time. He takes everything on board
and and runs with it. And that's what you really want.
You want players that will take instructions and go with it,
and he's he's doing that really well. Do you think
he is putting himself back into the all Whites frame
playing like this. I think by the time the World
Cup comes, if he continues like this, he'll be definitely

(01:34:40):
in the frame.

Speaker 7 (01:34:40):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Do you talk to your players about their international ambitions, Well,
we do.

Speaker 24 (01:34:46):
At the start of season. We you know, obviously we
want to know what the ambitions are, what they want
to do in football, and we want to help them
get to where they where they want to be. You
know a lot of players want to play overseas and
you know that's part of our club as well. We
want to you know, get these young boys in, get
them to do well, and obviously, you know, if Bill's
other clubs as well. Can we go there, you know,

(01:35:08):
to bring him to another club and to get what
they want, you know, obviously all Kiwi boys want to
play in a World Cup. Is a major opportunity for
any player in and around obviously the A League at
the moment to try and get into that obviously World
Cup squad, and I think Jesse is going to have
a good chance if he continues doing what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Jake Brimmer left the field with a dislocated shoulder of
all the looks of it, I think popped out and
they popped it back and again, didn't they see any update.

Speaker 24 (01:35:37):
On him, Steve not really. It's obviously like you said,
he did pop out, pop back in. He wasn't in
a lot of pain last night, so that's probably a
good sign. He'll get some scans probably when he we
get back to Aukland, just to make sure no bones
are broken. If there's no bones broken, we're hoping he
should be okay because we've got the international window as well.

(01:35:58):
He can have that week off and then you know,
hopefully be back in the frame for the following week
against Brisbane.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
I guess worst case scenario if he's not, and then
you've got the two red cards which may not be overturned.
And at so Haul Rogerson, Brimer Sarki. If they're all out,
do you have the depth to cover their absences?

Speaker 24 (01:36:21):
Yes, I think we do obviously. You know, Nando's a
perfect replacement for Dan Hall, you know, so they go there.
If Brimall was out, you know, we've got we've got
a couple of options there. Cam Howison obviously he's played
there before. Felipe is desperate to get back into the team,
so you know, and then obviously Logan Logan was the

(01:36:41):
starting so we've got a good depth there. We we
haven't really played Liam Gilliam at this stage, so you know,
players like that might get an option to get up
to get game time and to show exactly what he's
about this season. And you know, johnsy Bidoire is doing
really well in the reserved team score of goals, and

(01:37:02):
you know, might give him options up front as well
if we need players to come off the bend. And
I think we've got the depth in the squad to
be honest with you yet.

Speaker 9 (01:37:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Well, and just a word on Kellen Elliott, who came
in to cover Hiroki sarkives absence. He did it, get
it quite regular last season, you know, came on, always
did a job for you thought he was terrific last night, Steve.
You know, especially when you're down to nine. Another guy
who you're seeing development and week on week Kellan Elliott.

Speaker 24 (01:37:27):
Yeah, Kellen has never let me down. You know, anytime
he come on last season, he was, he was amazing.
I think the last two games here he's really stepped
it up again. Obviously want to try and get into
World Cup squads. So but he just wants the opportunity
to play. And you know, obviously, you know, I got
to make the call when when Hiroki's fit. You know,

(01:37:47):
it's never nice to you know, you've got a quality
player like Kellen on the bench to come on, it's
obviously great. But he wants to play as well, and
I think he's really enjoying his opportunity at the moment.
You know, he knows Horoki is going to be out
for at least six weeks, so he's going to get
game time. And I'm hoping he continues doing what he's
doing because he's exactly been brilliant for us.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Indeed, he has well another win four from four in
the derby's Steve can't wait for the next one on
December the sixth, and enjoy your weekend mate, and your
week off. Thanks for chatting as always.

Speaker 24 (01:38:17):
Thanks thanks Biny, cheers mate, No, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
You, Steve. Steve Kotaka there. He is the head coach
of Auckland FC, who are top of the table and
will remain there even with two games to play this
weekend and ran four of the A League men's they
will finish the weekend top of the table. Three wins
in a drawer. From their four matches so far, there's
three straight wins for them. It just feels as though
they're picking up where they left off last season. Any

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thoughts on the football, I'll take them. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine nine two on text. Great
occasion last night, A lot, a lot to take in.
It just feels as though, very quickly this A League
derby has become appointment viewing. We've never really had anything
like it. Yes, there's been rivalries between you know, rugby teams,

(01:39:06):
team's dembol teams and you name it. There's been rivalries
in New Zealand, but this one has so quickly become
this this passionate, fierce, energy filled rivalry that I haven't
seen the likes of before. It's seven or eight hundred
traveling fans there from Auckland FC last night, making all
the noise in the world and why not, Well they

(01:39:28):
went that noise at the end when they were seeing
if their team could hold out with only nine men.
But it was great to see them there and hopefully
they'll get as many Wellington Phoenix fans going the other way.
At the start of December two twenty three, Just updating
you on the cricket from Saxton Oval one eighteen for
three New Zealand and the fourteenth over Devin Conway, the

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last man out run out for fifty six, Daryl Mitchell
and Michael Bracewell together New Zealand batting first one eighteen
for three in the fourteenth back in a second inside
the Kiwis camp ahead of Tonight's Pacific Championship Final against TOAs.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Two twenty six, The Kiwis and Kiwi Ferns and Pacific
Championship Finals action this afternoon. Kiwi Ferns against Australian jill
Use at three thirty five. Then the keyw was against
TAAs some more from five past six Kewit's I wanted
to play on here now brown, steady and dummying. They
look at cut of.

Speaker 16 (01:40:32):
Yacht gun besides to hold it entertaining rugby league.

Speaker 26 (01:40:36):
Here, here's the last, here's Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
There's a tie yes day, that's tots it all right,
deserves how bennetx Krassler, Kiwei's assistant coach Steve Price is
with us. Steve, how pleased were your first of all
with your performance? And then went over tong in Auckland
a week ago?

Speaker 7 (01:40:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:40:55):
Thanks having me on. Yeah, I thought it was outstanding.
I thought it it started with the Kiwi mentality from
the start. I thought that went went for the full
eighty minutes. I thought were ruthless defensively, I thought out
offensive detail around our structure on how we wanted to
play the game was was was outstanding and then the

(01:41:18):
crowd in the atmosphere was one of one of the
best atmospheres the boys have seen planning for a lot,
very long time. So you know, credit to all both
supporters from both teams and you know what a day
was at Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
So as you turn your focus to the final against
Touras I'm alla this afternoon, what have you focused on
this week in the lead up to this game.

Speaker 18 (01:41:39):
Yeah, the boys had really two really strong performances, first
one against the Males, second one against Tonglo. But to
be able we do it's about growing our game and
just you know, fine tuning, fine tuning our little details
in and around of offensive defense and effort areas and
just keep growing that as a team individually. And we

(01:42:00):
do that and we'll give ourselves every chance and not
not not looking a big picture.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
Did someone would present a sterner challenge than you expected
when you played them at go Media Stadium in round one.

Speaker 18 (01:42:13):
Now we expected that there there there quality football team
the worre Coage there. You know, they've got a lot
of quality players from the enteral and now playing and
a lot of superstars.

Speaker 9 (01:42:24):
So you know, we.

Speaker 18 (01:42:26):
Expected a hard game and we're expecting even you know,
even a tougher game this this Sunday Combank. So our
preparation has been really good. We just just finished a
big session today and yeah, we just had one of
the key read greats come in and speak to the guys,
which was which was awesome in Benji Marshall. So yeah,
the boys are in good spirits.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Will you use the same sort of approach in this game?
It's the same opposition it wasn't that long ago? Or
or have you tweaked things without giving too much? We
of course, Steve. Will it be a similar approach in
this one as it was in week one O the
big the.

Speaker 18 (01:43:02):
Big games, that's how you on honor the fundamentals in
big games. But we'll find you in a few things.
We still need to keep going our game and we
need to keep getting better. But you know, we're confident
we can we can do that. We've got an outstanding
leadership group within our We're our our team who who

(01:43:25):
really challenge each other and their expectation within our four
walls is that we have high standards and we expect
nothing different.

Speaker 9 (01:43:34):
Come Sunday, this.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
Will be Karen Forn's final game of rugby league after
his exceptional seventeen year professional career, three hundred and eighteen
first grade games, thirty four test matches for the Key Wes.
How have you acknowledged and recognized Karen Forran this week.

Speaker 18 (01:43:50):
Yeah, he's the integral part of our our team inside
our four walls, and you know how much we all
love him from coaching two plays to everyone else in
the back room. So we respect him as a football player.
But above that, above that and all is what sort

(01:44:11):
of human he is, existed quality human being. He loves
playing for that black and white jersey and we have
a responsibility to on him in a strong, leady minute
performance this week. So chairping Blake on and off the field,
and yeah, we all love the clause.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
I'd imagine that he would be trying to deflect as well.
He wouldn't want to make this week about him at all.
From what I've seen and what I've heard and read,
is that what you're seeing from him that he's just
you know, trying to make this about the Kiwi's team
rather than about Karen Form.

Speaker 9 (01:44:44):
Yeah, certainly.

Speaker 18 (01:44:45):
Yeah, nothing's about you know, individual's status in our environment.
Everything's about the team, and you know he writes that
every day, so you know, it's about process for us
and then on everyone else to do their job and
then if we do that, then hopefully we're having a

(01:45:06):
a good celebration.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Gonna sacs you been his house partner as well. Dylan
Brown had a try and a couple of assists, and
the first game two more tries and two more assists,
and the one over Tong. He's been terrific, Alan Tigrel.
Has Dylan Brown been to you the last few weeks.

Speaker 18 (01:45:20):
Yeah, he's been. It's been awesome. I think you Kieran
deserves a big, you know, applause for that. How he's
unlocked him and sort of freed him up to be
able to play his natural running game, but also through
the forwards, off the back of their go forward, he's
been able to contribute, you know, to Dylan's running game.
And one of the most pleasing things would have been

(01:45:42):
impressed with is oftentively, he's he's been really solid over
on that left edge, and you know, he's been been
the backbone on you know, a decision making, especially with
you know, those hard decisions. So it's been it's been
great to watch. He didn't get much game time throughout
the season, you know, at the heels, but he certainly
showed his work over the last two weeks and hopefully

(01:46:06):
he's got one more one more strong performance in the
Black and White this week.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
I know it's not your team, but how much did
the Ali Katura incident in those scenes last weekend serve
as a warning to everybody involved in the game to
be very very careful when it comes to head knocks.

Speaker 18 (01:46:22):
Yeah, it wasn't I a good look for a game.
And you know a present auto, you know with Elie
Katoa and he's he's extended chairly on behalf of the
New Zealand League.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Which team you reckon have more supporters in Sydney.

Speaker 18 (01:46:41):
I'm sure there's going to be a fair few Blue
and white in the crowd, but yeah, hopefully you know
we get some black and white they also and we
do them proud and did the regular lege prayer.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Good man, Steve, great to chat to you all the
best again some more in the final. Really appreciate your time.
Thank you, Thank you, Steve. I'll tur My Mike back
on Steve Price, their assistant coach of the kiw We
so five past six tonight it is the key we
mean again to us some more in the men's final,
the women the Kiwi Ferns up against the Australian Jill
Aruz three thirty five in the women's final, coming up

(01:47:14):
twenty six away from three. The nineteen twenty four Invincibles
one of the most famous teams in our sporting history.
And Owen Eastwood, KIWI and leading performance coach, has produced
a podcast series focusing in on the lessons that can
be learned from the Invincibles. He's going to join us
to tell us more when we come back.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
You be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hin and TJ. Guvnerholmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks there Be.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
Two thirty seven. Ki We Owen Eastwood is a leading
performance coach who's worked with the England football team, the
South African cricket team, the British Olympic team, and the
command group at NATO. He's author of the best selling
book Belonging and has recently completed a nine part podcast
series on the nineteen twenty four All Blacks Forever ohen

(01:48:07):
As the Invincibles. They left Wellington by ship on the
twenty ninth of July nineteen twenty four, returning two hundred
and thirty two days later. On March seventeen, nineteen twenty five,
during which time they played thirty two games without defeat.
The podcast series tells the story of this iconic rugby team,
but also extracts lessons about shed identity, team culture and leadership.

(01:48:31):
In each episode, Owen Eastwood is joined by a guest
to navigate the events that unfolded one hundred years ago
and to provide insight that have modern day significance. Those
guests include Dan Carter, Karen Reid, and Wayne Smith, as
well as Black Caps legend Kane Williamson and golfer Luke Donald.
Owen Eastwood is with us. Owen, how did the idea

(01:48:52):
for this podcast series come about?

Speaker 27 (01:48:55):
Well, I've always loved history. It's always been a bit
of an interest in mine. And just the anniversary of
the First World War, actually, I was curious my old
school Southland Boys High Schoowe in Vicrgo. I was curious
to learn a bit more about who of our old
boys fought in the war and some of those stories.
And I came across one Andrew White, who was known

(01:49:16):
as Sun White, and I recognized the name because I
knew that he was also one of our all blacks
so we had this character who fought in the First
World War, actually fought in Gallipoli, the psalm passiondale Battle
of messinepro quite an epic story, and then came home
with shell shock and he was extremely disabled and then

(01:49:39):
had this miraculous rise where he then got into rugby
in nineteen nineteen and two years later it was an
All Black So I thought I need to learn a
lot more about that, so I got into that. So
about the same time I got to know Dan Carter
and his great uncle Bill Dally was a member of
that team, and we both had this connection around this
is a story that's really not that well known, and

(01:50:02):
why don't we exploring together. So when we think about
the nineteen twenty four Invincibles, I think we all know
the name, and I've given the stats, thirty two games
without losing any of them and all of that time
away from home. But what were the hallmarks of that
nineteen twenty four to twenty five side where Wayne Smith

(01:50:24):
is another guest on and he identified that they were
so innovative and that is the DNA that has continued
to this day. And he also spoke but when he
as an All Black coach he was very conscious of
the legacy they left, and you know, the identity framework
really about what it is to be a great all
black team, and they and try to replicate it. Dan
Carter makes the same point is this isn't an ancient story.

(01:50:46):
This reverberates right through today. A lot of the rituals
were created by the Invincibles and in fact the play
leadership group. The first one was the Originals. They created that,
and people like Dan and Karen Reid and Richard mccare, etc.
They were part of it in their own time. So
some of those guys really enjoyed just finding the origin

(01:51:07):
story around some of the all bick experiences they had.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
But we're talking one hundred years ago, and the world
has changed a lot in the last ten years, let
alone the last one hundred years. So how much of
what was a key to their success in nineteen twenty
four is transferable to a modern day sports team or
a modern day sports person.

Speaker 27 (01:51:31):
You know, I'm struggling to think of what isn't transferable.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Introduction.

Speaker 27 (01:51:36):
I'm a performance coach. I'm based up here in the
Cotswalls in England. I worked with Chelsea Football Clubs and
I worked with the European Writer Cup team and I've
worked with them over the last two competitions, and everything
that the Invincibles represent are things that we apply today
without a shadow of doubt. And what's very interesting to

(01:51:57):
me is they were able to simplify it in a
way where probably today we've over complicated a few things.

Speaker 26 (01:52:02):
There.

Speaker 27 (01:52:02):
They didn't have twenty people in the coaching staff, they
didn't actually have coach Cliff Port, the captain and the
player leadership group round the team. So I think a
lot of the things that really make a difference in performance.
It's a really lovely case study because it's so pure.
You know, there's not all this sort of complexity. It

(01:52:22):
was just a group of guys, very diverse brand together
played pretty terribly in the pre tour games, lost to Auckland,
lost in Sydney. Nobody was really thinking that they're going
to do pliicularly well and they just really had to
figure this out themselves, and they did it in an
innovative way, but actually very beautiful.

Speaker 9 (01:52:41):
Way in my view.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
So tell us some of the things in particular, Ohen
that that they did so well, but also so simply.

Speaker 27 (01:52:48):
Now, one of the things was the captain was crazy.
So the captain, Cliff Porter, was appointed the night before.
So they it was chaotic on the administration side. It
won't be making any comics down on the rugby. But
back in only twenty four, she's pretty chaotic.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
They changed.

Speaker 27 (01:53:02):
They decided to change the skip of the day before.
So what that led to those Cliff Porter was a
very inexperienced all Black twenty four year old. He decided that, like,
I'm not going to be able to do this some
way own. I've got some real veterans in this team,
so we created this player leadership group. So that was
one innovation. On the boat trip of thirty nine days across,

(01:53:23):
they did something which today would be regarded as extremely
modern then. That is, they every afternoon they sat in
a circle and he asked each player just to describe
the fundamental to their position and what you need to
do to really play at a high level. And George
Nepier and others wrote about how scary it really was
in that circle to talk like that. Some of them,
like George, hadn't played much fallback, but they what happened

(01:53:47):
was after they finished speaking, the other players were invited
to help them and add so Mark Nichols, the great
player from Wellington, he would say to George, look, I
think you've missed out a couple of things here in
terms of fallback play. And what happened is they created
a modern language, a psychological safety where they learned how
to challenge to each other and have a bit of

(01:54:07):
a debate without people getting their feelings hurt. And another
example you know on your question is they didn't start
the tour particularly well.

Speaker 10 (01:54:16):
They were just winning.

Speaker 27 (01:54:17):
So Cliff Porter and the leadership group brought in the intervention,
which was they brought in a formal review after the game,
so straight after the game finished in the dressing room,
they had an hour and that was led by the
non players who were sitting in the stand watching the game,
and they would come in. And even during this podcast series,
I've had some professional teams approach me and say we're

(01:54:38):
bringing in that into our practice, like we're getting the
non playing group to lead the review of the game.
So this has not been done before any of this.
As well as up to that point it was traditional
that players would opt in are out of training on tour.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
It was called a rafferty rules.

Speaker 27 (01:54:56):
And again Cliff and the leadership group said that's just
not going to get the job done. You it's mandatory
to train unless you were unfit. There's multiple examples of
how they really created what we would identify as a
professional type of setup.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
You mentioned before that modern day coaching setups can sometimes
over complicate things. What do you think that is?

Speaker 27 (01:55:21):
So that's such a good question. I think, well, when
rugby went professional and other sports, maybe they didn't really know.
They didn't have any model for what they wanted to do,
so they look at other sports, probably like the NFL,
where you've got like a whole sideline full of coaches
and people. I'm not sure, because you know, I've worked
in rugby as well, and I think what happens is

(01:55:42):
you get a lot of silos. You get a lot
of people who have got a domain over the you know,
maybe the line out, the scrum, the back, the attack, whatever,
and that can become an incredible challenge To actually create
one voice. You need a very skilled head coach, basically
like a chief executive, to bring it all together. Sometimes
that doesn't exist. Sometimes the head coach actually is the
most technical of all of them. They're not really someone

(01:56:04):
who is well skilled to do this. You know, the
great coaches are able to pull that off, but a
lot of coaches struggle with it and don't actually enjoy
that part of it. They just enjoy the technical and
technical side of it. So I think I loved kids rugby,
my favorite rugby's firstifteen rugby still in New Zealand. I

(01:56:25):
watched every single game himself in boys high school. They
send the games up here for me to ever look at,
and you know they do it with a couple of
coaches and old school away. You know, they won the
national championship two years ago and got him the top
four a game this year. So yeah, that speaks for itself.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
I understand obviously the rugby guests you have on and
you mentioned Dan Carter, I mentioned Karen Reid, Wayne Smith,
But what sort of input did you get from the
likes of Kin Williamson and golfer Luke Donald.

Speaker 27 (01:56:55):
And I brought Luken I worked with him on the
Ryder Cup and I wanted him to comment on something specific,
which was Duff Porter was appointed the night before as
the captain, which is obviously a crazy fact. But Luke
Donald was appointed wry A Cup captain a year late,

(01:57:15):
so The original captain for Rome was Hendrix stenz And
who then went to live So they were scrambling European tour.
What the hell are we going to do? Luke was
invited very very late. The Americans had already had a
year of preparation before him, so Luke was in late.
He asked me to come and help him, and you know,
we didn't have a lot of time and it was

(01:57:37):
so cliff Port had less time, but Luke didn't have
a lot of time. So Luke was able to come
in and say, when you don't have a lot of
time as a leader, these are the priorities. So they've
had great feedback on that one.

Speaker 11 (01:57:48):
He also loves rugby.

Speaker 27 (01:57:49):
He loves you all black, so he was happy just
to get involved in that. Pippa Grange was the first
psychologist with England football team. She really transformed them Undergara Southgate.
She's not a big rugby fan, but she absolutely loves
the Invincibles and principally because of the culture in the
very compassionate leadership of Cliff Porter, she finds that really inspiring.

(01:58:10):
And Cain, oh Caine, there was a he's just a
good bugger. That'd be perfectly honest, and I really love him.
He doesn't really talk to the media a lot, I
don't think so. I thought as a mate, having a
conversation with him might be quite nice for the audience
just to hear him talk very naturally. But the specific
reason was the Invincibles didn't have a written cultural code,

(01:58:38):
so they I would say, they had probably the most
inspirational team culture have ever seen, and none of it
was put into writing. And you know, I bet you
know as well, there's a lot of corporates out there
who have absolute documents full of their culture code and
don't live it, while the Invincibles were the opposite. They
lived it, but they didn't write it down. Now, when
I was first met Cain about four or five years

(01:58:59):
ago and he's on cricket, we're just asking me and
him to explore should we put the Black Caps culture
into writing, because it hadn't been captured either, and he
had a very experienced team he was leading, and we've
basically came to a conclusion that, look, it's really powerful
the way it is, and if you put it in
writing and ask people to read it, it could lose
a bit of potency. So he was great to come
in and they need to have this written down, and

(01:59:20):
so that was part of it. But we had just
a good general chat. He enjoyed them, and he knew
Quoe a lot about.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
It from a wider point of view. And how common
is it for modern day sports organizations to look back
like one hundred years like this to inform their decision
making in the modern day? Is that common in your
experience or uncommon?

Speaker 27 (01:59:44):
Jason, I'm so pleased you ask that question, because I
think just about every organization will say, we're really proud
of our heritage. We've got a great history. But the
feedback I got last year from people in New Zealand
was that the Invincibles didn't seem to be really as
deeply celebrated as some of the families of those players
really anticipated would happen. It seemed a little bit light.

(02:00:07):
That was part of the motivation why we actually got
off our backsides and created the podcast now, and that is,
you know, I don't think we should be running around saying, oh, yeah,
the Invincibles and the Originals and all that, so we
don't really know the story.

Speaker 9 (02:00:19):
So that's part of it.

Speaker 7 (02:00:21):
You know.

Speaker 27 (02:00:21):
Secondly, I don't know whether the All Blacks are listening
to this or not, I've got no idea, but a
lot of their experience they're having as all Blacks now
comes back to nineteen twenty four or two o five,
And I think you're missing a beat here if you
don't understand why things are done in a certain way
and why and how these people who had the same
challenge effectively as them, how they navigated that same challenge.

(02:00:45):
And you know, people like Karen Dan Wayne Smith, they
just think this is so powerful to know your heritage
story properly. And I'd invite people from all communities and
all teams to if you've got good stories, capture the
bloody things. And you know, I just didn't amateur job
of this, but just capture it. Don't let it go
when people pass on or whatever. If you won the

(02:01:07):
nineteen eighty five Bay Plenty Championship and it was a
good bloody story, then tell it, get it down there.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
It's a fantastic piece of work. As usual by you
are in the Invincible Podcast Timeless Lessons in Culture and Leadership,
So that one's in the box, mate, what's next for you?

Speaker 27 (02:01:25):
A good question. I'm actually literally speaking with Luke Donald
in thirty minutes currently from the Horse's Mouth. I'm interested
where he's decided where he wants to have another crack
and have a third Rider Cup as captain. So a
little bit awaiting that one. Chelsea Football Club. I'm sort
of halfway through my engagement. We're tracking in the right direction.

(02:01:45):
We've moved up from twelfth to fourth and I got
a few injuries at the moment. But I enjoy working
in the Premier League and I'd love to do another
podcast in a couple of years. I'm very intrigued by
a lot of incredible sports stories. It all happened in
nineteen fifty nine, so keep an eye up for that
one certainly well.

Speaker 3 (02:02:06):
As you're talking to you, Owen, thanks for joining us
across New Zealand, and I know a lot of our
listeners will be rushing to their podcast feed to add
add your one to their to their list of listening.
Thanks for joining us today. Thank you mate, Thank you, Owen.
Owen Eastwood their key week leading performance coach and producer
of the nine part podcast The Invincibles The Lessons We

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We rate the weekend with Piney's Power Rankings and well,
I don't know what we'll do on the show. I'm
sure that'll become apparent. It's some stage tomorrow taking us out. Today, Well,
we heard James mcconey's rendition about an hour ago of
his his his song, his ode to Yellow Cards. I

(02:03:28):
thought would have the actual song to take us out,
given the three that were handed out to the All
Blacks against Scotland this morning and they still got the
job done. Cold Play in yellow see Tomorrow Night, the

(02:04:06):
card Shine.

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The Colis Shine looked at the start, the cord of Shine.
Tho are the things that you.

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