Full Show Podcast: 13 October 2024

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Hello there you, good afternoon, Welcome in to the Sunday
edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks eDV. October thirteen,
Happy birthday to Amelia Kur. Straight through. Amelia Kerr has
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Yeah, pretty good birthday for Meli Kerr, although I guess
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out and the White Fern's eight wicked win over Sri
Lanka at the T twenty Cricket World Cup. I'm Jason
Pine Shoe Produce to Annie McDonnell. We are here until
three talking sport. The global implementation of the twenty minute

(01:13):
red card in rugby is a step closer to reality.
World Rugby confirmed this week, the rule, which of course
allows teams to replace a player who's been sent off
after twenty minutes, has been put forward for use globally.
It's been pretty polarizing. The twenty minute red card's been
in use down here for a wee while now, of course,
but there's always been resistance in the Northern Hemisphere and

(01:37):
in South Africa as well, and that's continued this week.
Top referee Nigel Owens with us on the shortly and
your thoughts on this rule absolutely encouraged as well other
matters around today. Teen New Zealand have made a terrific
start to the defense of the America's Cup in Barcelona,
earning a two zero lead in the first to seven

(01:58):
series against Ineosprtannia. We'll get you to Barcelona to wrap
the first day's racing. South Canterbury's historic winning run and
rugby's Heartland Championship has finally ended. They haven't lost a
game since twenty nineteen thirty nine straight wins. Well that
was until yesterday when MITD Canterbury went down the road
and beat them seventeen to sixteen in the Meads Cup

(02:20):
semi finals. Mid Canabury coach Matt winsor going to relive
that with us after two o'clock. The A League men's
football season just a week away. Auckland FC coach Steve
Coricker and Wellington Fedix coach John Caloertaliano both on the
show today as they put the final touches on their
preparations for the new campaign. James mcony along as well

(02:41):
in his regular slot around one forty five Live Sport.
The Black Ferns looking to end their year on a
high after three straight defeats. They're underway against France. In fact,
midway through the first half in their final WXV one
match in Vancouver. A good start for New Zealand and.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Olson Baker's going to tap and go from ten away
on a right hand side brings in Leah mccartarly two
New Zealand five away or Hi goes down the blind
right hand bagha Letty Ainga gets it down, runshing the
hits for the.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Tries awarded and then this Paul.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Left hand side into midfield fits a man now brunt
bitter Dongey pool drawer and past helen By Hollow stots
it down with win Wada.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, so that was two tries one to which of
the wingers are Asha Lettiga and Caitlin Carlol But France
bounce back with a tries. She heard Elijah mentioned in
the news. However, New Zealand have scored a third try,
so with twenty three minutes gone, New Zealand fifteen, France seven.
Will keep an eye on that one for you. Bunning's
in PC quarter final number four Tasman Canterbury blend him

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five past two. We'll preview that one for you next hour.
Keep an eye on at after two. Barethurst of course,
will keep your posted when the Great Race goes around
one thirty this afternoon at Mount Panorama. Reigning Supercars champion
Brodie Castecki on pole alongside Cam Waters on the front
row of the grid. Keep we drive a Richie stand
Away fourth on the grid. Matt Paine, who was fastest

(04:04):
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Speaker 5 (04:39):
The yellow card is going to be upgraded to a
red card.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
The high degree of danger no clear and obvious mitigation Okay.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Wayne Barnes shows a red card to the touchline. Sam
Caine head in his hands, high tackle.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
The your blake skipper set off. Yeah. Controversial proposal which
would allow teams to replace a red carded player after
twenty minutes, has moved a step closer to global implementation.
World Rugby confirmed this week. It's one of several new
law amendments which have been trialed in some domestic and
international competitions, including our own, and it's been put forward

(05:16):
for use globally. Nigel Owens is one of the best
referees in international rugby history and joins us now to
discuss this. Nigel, thanks for your time across New Zealand.
What is your overall view first of all, on the
proposal to introduce a twenty minute red card to international rugby.

Speaker 6 (05:35):
Yeah, I think you have to take a step back
to SVON. I'm trying to understand why people are calling
for this, why it's been in place of the Rugby Championship,
and why it's coming into inter trial globally. And the
issue is, which is an understandable reason, is a lot
of people are getting frustrated with players being sent off
early on in the game, and then it feel that

(05:56):
the game is both when you have fourteen against fifteen
or thirteen against fourteen, RESI thirteen against fifteen. So that's
the reason why this has been bought. Now, the concerns
and the worry that I have is it's not going
to deal with the actual issues. And the actual issues
are the player safety. When we are still having a

(06:17):
lot of head collisions, We're still having players making up
right tackles, shoulder making contact with the head. We're still
having really reckless, dangerous playouts in the contact area we
still have in US. We haven't seen a change of
player behavior despite the red cards. Now, if you go

(06:39):
back quite a few years, you remember a lot of
issues with contact in the air. Then we have a
lot of issues with spear tackling, and then what happened.
The referees went hard. It was a red card and
we changed player behavior. But that hasn't happened this time,
and the issue is now we're still getting red cards,
and therefore a lot of people have been calling in

(07:00):
for a twenty minute red card so that it doesn't
spoil the game. Now, the issue that I have is this,
a red card in rugby should only be for an
act of total thuggery or total recklessness. And what I
mean by that is a player's defenses on the ground.
And then you got charging in shoulder first, head first,

(07:21):
split into the player. Contact with the head. This reckless,
it's really dangerous. You don't have any care whatsoever about
the player safety who you are charging into. That should
be a red card and then you should not be replaced.
The issue that I have then, and I think this
is the issue that they're not dealing with, is if
you have a player and we've seen it, who is

(07:44):
unluckily to be sent off it's accidental. The dynamics of
the game of change this last second and everything's gonna
that's a bit tough that's a bit harsh, then they
shouldn't be a red card. So what I feel they
should be doing is actually dealing with the issue itself,
act of thuggery active recklessness where you've got no concern

(08:04):
about the player safety and I'm sorry, a red card
you off and you stay off. And if then it's
an issue where it's it's carelessness, it's accidental. You try
to do everything right, but the movement of the game,
the players affect the thing in the last second, then
that shouldn't even be a red card. So what I
feel is happening is it's just papering over the cracks

(08:27):
to try and keep everybody happy. And in the long run,
you're not going to keep everybody happy because you're still
going to see these red cards with that, which are harsh,
and you're also then going to see a lot of
people and there's a lot of concern about then we
are not then being strong enough with the deterrent to
change players behavior and getting rid of this needless, dangerous,

(08:49):
reckless high tackles or up right tackles or clear out.
So this is understandable why people are calling for it,
but my concern is they're not actually dealing with the
co issue itself. And that's why I'm not a big
fan of the twenty minute red card. I'd rather see
them bring it in a red card for total recklessness,

(09:10):
total fabruary. If anything is accidentally or unlucky, then it
shouldn't be a red card in the first place, and
then we will look after the player safety. And people
who are sent off are sent off because they totally
deserve to be sent off and not because of an
accidental dynamic of the game.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That is just such absolute common sceense. No, your absolute
common scenes. Do you think anybody's listening at World Rugby,
because surely a red card can't be seen as harsh
or unlucky.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
No, it shouldn't be that. That's not what I mean.
You know, a red card is your head by somebody,
you punch somebody from behind, you kick somebody ahead on
the floor. That's what a red card should be. Or
as I said, you're going up, you charging in upright
with a forearms, swinging into somebody's head, or leading with
a shoulder into an upright tackle or a clearout, which
is total recklessness. That's what a red card should be.

(10:02):
And when you're looking at incidents, and we've seen them
over the last few years where you' or that's a
bit unlucky. Yes, he was upright, but he was trying
to make And just remember the issue.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
With this as well.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
You see, upright tackers are not illegal if you go
in and upright tackers somebody. So what you tend to
have now the game has changed. One player will go low,
the other player will go high to try and prevent
an offload or rip the ball or wrap the arms.
We can't offload another player. That action is not illegal.
There's nothing illegal in that. It only becomes an offense

(10:34):
if you get it wrong and you make contact with
a player's head illegally. So what they're trying to do,
they're trying to get players to change behavior without actually
nothing in law to say you have to do it.
And this is when we are landing up then with
harsh red cards. We seen County in the World Cup.

(10:55):
Some of them were totally deserved, others were, oh god,
this is a bit harsh. This is unlucky. For that reason,
it shouldn't be a red card in the first place.
And so that's what I'm my concern is, we're not
dealing with the actual issues here, and that's what I'd
like to see them do.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
So, while the red red card threshold is where it is,
while the rules are as they are written, isn't the
twenty minute red card in some ways a good idea
to give redrace to a harsh or unlucky dismissal.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Well, that is a fair point in what you say
in that, But then I don't think it's it's not
a prevention, it's not a deterrent. And then if you
look at look at some of me being sent off
and then for twenty minutes and being replaced, so that
team they're unlucky to get somebody is sent off. I
suppose an example, you could look at Sam Kaine in
the World Cup final for me, a very unlucky player

(11:50):
to be sent off, So you have an unlucky red card. Okay,
for all of the guidelines, the guidance tell you you
may well land up with the red card. It's a
harsh it's an unlucky one. Then compare that, or it
doesn't have to do that. Don't compare that type of
red card, which we call an unlucky harsh one. Compare
that then with a total act of thuggery or a

(12:13):
total lack of recklessness where you went flying into that
into that ruck, leading with a shouler straight into player's head.
It's a red card. You're off. Yet both are treated
the same, and it shouldn't be the case. So both
teams now back up to fifteen men where one of
them was accidental unlucky, the other one was totally deserved

(12:35):
to go. Nobody in the world is complaining, yet they're
back to to fifteen men. Such a me that that
is that is not right. So we need to look
at exactly what a red card should be and if
there's any case of oh this is you know, this
is just unlucky and it shouldn't be a red card.
You know the fact you get sent off. Because if

(12:57):
you're sent off now for charging into ruck and catching
play in the head, and then all of a sudden
you plead guilty, they say I'm sorry and I was guilty.
Reduce the sanction by two weeks. And then you do
at tackle school tias your tackle, which you've been taught
attacked since you were ten years of age. You go
to attackle school, reduce it by another week, and all

(13:17):
of a sudden you're down to two or three weeks.
If you get sent off for that total act of recklessness,
you should be getting six or eight weeks. And there
shouldn't be nothing of it, because that's the only way
that player will learn, or that's the only way we're
going to enforce the player behavior. So there's a lot
of other things I think we can do to deal

(13:38):
with the situation in rather than just picking over the
cracks with this twenty minute red card.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
In your experience, nogel, does a game between a team
with fifteen and a team with fourteen automatically become a
reduced spectacle?

Speaker 5 (13:54):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
I don't think so, not all the time. A lot
of times it does do, because if you're playing against
you fifteen men, then you're down to fourteen and you're
of equal ability as a side, and that's a result
could have gone either way. Then it is going to
be of an advantage. It doesn't work allway. We still
have some great games. You go back to the two
thousand eleven World Cup. I was sitting next total a
good friend of mine, Bryce Lauren, was watching Wales France

(14:16):
where Sam Warburton got sent off in that and I
have it done. May because of welshman. I have no
doubt that contributed to you know, Wales losing a semi
final where they could have won it anyway, but it
did made things much more difficult. So on the most
when you were down to fourteen men, particularly for a
period of maybe sixty five seventy seventy minutes fifty minutes,

(14:39):
then I think it does take its toll. Not always,
but on occasions it does. And on occasions we've seen
greats game of rugby on a side of fourteen men
actually winning, but I think they are more of a
case of occasionally rather than than they often. So I
think there is I think you know, down to forty men,
I think there's effect sort of. It may affect your
tactics as well. You may become now a bit more

(15:01):
if you're in the lead, you're going to become maybe
a bit more defensive. You're not going to risk any things,
You're going to hold on to the lead. So it
can it can change the style of dynamics of the
game as well, which makes it much more difficult and
which can take away from the spectacle. But we also
have seen game with players sent off which have been
great games of rugby as well, But on the most
I think it does disadvantage of couse.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Its just to finish, Nodule. The common scenes that you've
talked is, you know, in the last ten minutes is
absolute common scenes. Is anybody at World Rugby listening.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
I'm not the only I do some work for World Rugby,
and I think majority of people in World Rugby they
do a good job, you know, on the most with
the game to look at globally, you have different countries,
different dynamics from all over the world coming together. It's
not an easy job and the most they do a
very decent, decent job. But I'm not involved in I
was not involved in this process. I'm not involved in

(15:54):
in the process of law changing or making at all.
But there are good people who are involved in that process.
But but I'm not. I'm a part of that of
that process now or not?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
All right, Nogela, it's been really instructive listening to your chat.
Thanks for taking our call. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
Yeah, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
On the best, all the best to you too, Nigel.
There you go, Nigel Lowns with eleven minutes of absolute
common sense. Imagine if Nigel Owens was sitting around whatever
table it was when they decided about the you know
what the red card threshold would be. I'm alway certain
you've got a view on this O eight hundred and

(16:30):
eighty ten eighty anything you want to pick up on there,
because here is the problem. In their quest to protect
the head, which by the way, is the right thing
to do. World Rugby have simply gone too low with
their red card threshold. They've tried to change behavior and
tackle technique by making the consequences of not getting it

(16:51):
right more severe i e. A red card, And as
Nigel Owens has pointed out, player behavior hasn't really changed,
because how can you change being in the wrong place
by accident? And our red cards are being given out
when they shouldn't be. We've all said it, and we're
now at the point where a red card in rugby

(17:11):
can be described as harsh or unfair or unlucky. That
should never ever happen. If someone is sent off, there
should be very little in the way of dispute about it.
It should be clear and obvious, and nobody, not a
single person, is suggesting that if a player commits serious

(17:33):
foul play on the rugby field and is given a
red card, that he should be able to be replaced.
I'm talking outright thuggery or recklessness, as Nigerlowen's caught it there.
If someone does that, their team should suffer. The consequences
go down to fourteen and stay at fourteen. But if
a player makes head on head contact by accident or

(17:54):
by circumstance, well, first of all, it shouldn't be a
red card, simple as that. Nigeloones even said that Sam
Kaine's red card and the Rugby World Cup final last
year was harsh and unlucky. The red card threshold's in
the wrong place. But until that gets changed, which will
take ages. And while the rules are what they are,

(18:17):
you have to have a twenty minute red card. If
a bloke sent off of something beyond his control or
because of the low threshold for red cards, he needs
to be able to be replaced. Because, as we've said
so many times, in these days of battling for engagement
and battling for eyeballs, a lopsided contest just will not

(18:38):
cut it. Fans will say, nap, not interested, not interested
in that. I don't want to watch a lopsided contest
simply because the red card threshold is in the wrong place.
Begin for your views. Lots of ideas coming through on
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red card or alternatives to it. Oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 4 (19:21):
Packing Genus Integrate's arm up from Sarah Cox taking off
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Try fifteen fourteen half an hour?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, fifteen fourteen half an hour gone? Are actually thirty
eight minutes gone now New Zealand fifteen France fourteen In
this WXV match in Vancouver. Hello, George Puny, how are
you mate?

Speaker 9 (19:47):
Good?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Thanks George? What's on your mind? With read cards, et cetera?

Speaker 10 (19:51):
Yeah, still painting, So that means another another call to you.
Unfortunately no for you.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, it's like to do the whole street. Do the
whole street, mate, do the whole street, and then we
can always have a chat.

Speaker 11 (20:01):
Hey, Elma, I was.

Speaker 10 (20:02):
Actually I've got a whole heap of respect to Nigel
Arms and got a fantastic free he was, But I
was actually kind of slightly confused by his comments. And
I've got the sense from his overall sentiment to you
that he wasn't a fan of the twenty minute red card.
And I kind of do find that interesting because as
much as you can talk in that form about a

(20:23):
common sense approach, sometimes that doesn't play out on the field.
And you know, you could argue either way around where
the common sense would have applied in Sam kain situation.
The reality is, you know, what constitutes a red card
today is completely different from twenty years ago. For good reason.
They've learned more about the head knocks and they're trying
to get that part out of the game. But to
sort of say a team is not disadvantage by going

(20:45):
twenty minutes without a player and that player not being
able to come on as is not quite right. Not
that Nigel was saying that. But you know, if you
took our World Cup finals seem came being off in
the twentieth minute, not being able to come on facing
a lengthy suspension is really detrimental to the team. You know,
we talked about bond squads for the last few weeks
and how important they are. You've got to now bring

(21:05):
dogson on Earth. It messes with you've been to everything
like the Orblex was still going to be severely disadvantaged
in the World Cup playing twenty minutes without a player
in that guy not being able to come back horn
And I just think I think it's a no brainer
to put the twenty minute rule in and go harder
on the suspension in try and encourage you know, players

(21:26):
not to do that that way, because they will not
go for it if they're facing the six week suspension
off the sidelines.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, I think the main guts of what Nigel Owen's
was saying was that he was basically saying the red
card threshold or what a red card is given out
for at the moment, is wrong. And and as I
asked him, you know, while it is where it is,
isn't there a case for the twenty minute red card,
which I think is what you know was what you're saying.
What I'm saying is that if you know, if a
red card's harsh or unlucky or unfair, then surely it

(21:56):
needs to be able to be made up. You know,
it needs to you need to have the twenty minutes when,
like I say, if someone comes in a smash in
their head from the side of a run, that's a
red card. That's staggery. That's very different. And whether we
need to have a fruit salad of cards or read
to yellow and orange, I don't know. But yeah, my
view is that when the rules are as they are

(22:17):
at the moment, then there needs to be a twenty
minute red card because somebody can get a red card
which is unfair or hush.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
Yeah, exactly if it's a nector figure, if it's a
punch or a kick or a stamp or or as
you say, something a reckless shoulder, maybe that yeah, hey,
call it a blue card, recud whatever you want. But
it's almost like there should be a blanket, you know,
a red card head related red card, and that's subject
to a twenty minute stand there because it is a

(22:47):
mess of store, a massive disadvantage to a team losing
a player for the for the whole match, and you
know how that disrupts the strategy around and pick, bringing
the bench onto the field and and everything like that.
And as I sort of go to before, if you
sort of say that person's going to be up for
judiciary and facing a lengthy band, that's going to put
you know, it's going to be a main motivator for

(23:09):
that particular player who's got contracts to worry about and
spots on the team to not want to put their
team under that situation.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Correct, Because Sam came was sent off for half an
hour into the World Cup final, wasn't they So say,
let's say it was thirty minutes. I thinks about thirty minutes.
So that would mean that if there was a twenty
minute red card ten minutes into the second half, New
Zealand would have been back to fifteen. Yes, I hear
what you're saying about the bench being messed up and
all that sort of thing, but at least it would
have been numerically even in that case, it wasn't. And
look New Zealand only lost by one point and we

(23:38):
don't know what would happen if they had fifteen plars
on the field. But yeah, a twenty minute red card
would certainly have helped New Zealand in that case, in
the case where Sam Kaine's red card was harsh.

Speaker 10 (23:51):
Exactly, and you actually end up putting the refs under
quite a compromise position. You know, they're sort of standing
in the barrel of you know, am I going to
make this call on this occasion on the world stage.
They shouldn't really be in that position. They Ayconner should
be able to look at it in the lens of
I don't know, player safety and welfare and know that

(24:13):
they're not about to make a call that's potentially going to,
you know, really impact the final, which is possibly going
through the hidden when it was twenty minutes into a
World Cup final or I think the semi final before
when it was earlier on in the game.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, and I'm sure George that would they would say, oh,
we just look at an isolation, whether it's a pull
match between the All Blacks and Uruguay, whether it's a
World Cup final, we still just look at the facts.
But yeah, it can't help a plan in their mind
when it's such a big game. Great to chat mate,
get that paintbrush back in your hand, but cool back
any type good to chat to ye. Lots of texts
coming through, so good from Nigel says Mike should be

(24:48):
like the NRL, unless it's blatant foul play, it's a
yellow card and then cite them forward judiciary afterwards. I
think that makes absolute sense, doesn't it, you know, putting
someone on report or you know, or whatever it might be. Thuggery, recklessness,
absolute serious foul play, red card. Okay, nobody disagrees with that,

(25:11):
but we're at the situation now in rugby with the
rules being tweaked and the focus on head to head
contact where harsh and unfair and unlucky red cards can
be handed out, and that's just simply not good. It's
not logical. There needs to be I don't know whether
we go back to, you know, red cards only being

(25:35):
for the ready serious foul play and head to contact
is yellow whatever it is, or there's orange cards, which
are you a card where yes, okay, you're sent off,
but with an orange card you can be replaced. So
something in between red card, absolute thuggery, orange card. You know,
by the letter of the law you're off. But accidental, harsh, unfair.

(25:59):
You can be replaced yellow card as it always is
ten minutes in the bin.

Speaker 12 (26:02):
Hey, Tony, you know I have slightly doing this Spig
the right supportment Mindy alone was saying about it. I agree,
But the part I've never agreed with is if a
plague it's too yellow cards is automatically sent off. Now
you're going to have situations where they get a yellow
card or their a lenchip, knocking a ball down when

(26:23):
they're trying to do an intercept or maybe stopping at
Troy or something like that. And my opinion is that
I don't think that too yellows for those sort of
what they call professional felt they should be sent off.
They should be sent off for another ten minutes. I
totally disagree where they're off the field for good but
committing defense where there's no player danger, but through acts

(26:47):
of jeerlessness. I've never agreed with that.

Speaker 9 (26:49):
What do you think about it?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I totally agree with you, Tony, I totally agree. Let's
look at a couple of yellow card offensis. Yeah, the one,
the one, the one that you've mentioned there. Yeah, the knockdown,
the deliberate knockdown, which you know often can be a
little bit controversial because you can say, well, I was
going for the intercept and didn't quite get it right.
Yellow can't. And then what let's say the second yellow
card is for accumulation of offenses. You know what it's
like when a team continues to infringe and the ref

(27:12):
goes like, the next one is on the bin. You
might not have done any of the previous ones. You're
back on from your ten minutes off. Anyway, you're the
unlucky guy who gets caught on the wrong side of
the recor whatever it is. Second yellow red, you're out.
It's not that you're right too yellows. You should have
always equal or red.

Speaker 12 (27:25):
You're right, that's absolutely one, and that's something with Rugby
should have looked at it the clues, you know what
I mean. I always look at a thing on the
big issues, but that's a very important technical issue and
they should really get into that because it's a ridiculous role.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, very different from football, where too yellow is equal
to red. But you know, that's a completely different set
of circumstances. There's no there's no synbon in football. It's
but you're so right, Tony, You're so right. You know,
if you get two yellow cards for something that's absolutely
your fault, then that's different. But you can get yellow cards,
as you've pointed out, with a deliberate knock on, which

(28:02):
is sometimes contentious, and like I say, the accumulation, that's
one that puzzles me. You can get a yellow card
or doesn't puzzle me. I understand why they do it.
If a team continues to infringe, as you know, the
opposition of trying to attack, and you're continually infringing to
stop them from scoring. I get why the referee says, okay,
next one's in the bin. If you've already been in

(28:23):
the bin and you're just doing your best to try
and you know, and you just happen to get on
the wrong side of the law if it's your second yellow.
It's a little bit harsh on you, really when you're
sort of carrying the can for something that your entire
team has been responsible for. So there's a bit to unpack.

(28:46):
Text tip as well as a red card. Why not
put the player on report? This can be looked at later.
Maybe a number of games stood down. Then it affects
the player more than the team and the game. Very good,
very logical, very logical. Absolutely so twenty minute red card.
So if we take away because if we're trying to

(29:08):
distinguish between types of red cards, that gets problematic. But
if you say, okay, every red card is a twenty
minute red card, even the ones for thuggery and recklessness.
If every red card is a twenty minute red card,
but then they are all examined by the judiciary. The
blake who comes hearing in the side of the ruck

(29:29):
and takes somebody's head off gets six to eight weeks,
whereas if it's accidental head on the head of contact
that could be judged as harsh or unfair, then you
might not get any ban and the impact on the
game is not significant. Because that's what I think New

(29:50):
Zealand and Rugby's push for this sits on what is
it doing to the spectacle New Zealand Rugby Mark Robinson
big fans of the twenty minute red card. I have
seen it in action down here in Super Rugby. It's
a good idea, a good idea for making sure that
there's no lopsided or imbalanced games of rugby which can

(30:12):
affect the spectator experience up north and over in South Africa.
They hate it, which you know is their prerogative obviously,
but I don't really get their vehement opposition to it.
Twenty to one. Fill with you after this, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty spear line, if you want
to jump aboard talk red cards, yellow cards, orange cards,

(30:35):
the whole traffic light fruit salad of cards. Back in
a second Weekend Sport, Don't get.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Speaker 2 (30:50):
Twelve forty three halftime in Vancouver. But just before halftime,
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Speaker 4 (30:57):
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drops her back in field. Lovely work around minute huggy
Paul Kaitland for her Colo liver Hey twenty to fourteen kicks.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
A come there you go. That was the fourth try
for New Zealand just before halftime. All four have been
scored out wide. None of the four have been converted,
but New Zealand lead France twenty points to fourteen at
halftime in this WXV one match steph unseas piney and hockey.
There are three card colors, green, yellow, red read for
exactly what Nigel wants a red card to be. Four.

(31:29):
Yellow can be for five or ten minutes, depending on
the degree. Green is two minutes off the field. Maybe
the twenty minute red card is another color to make
sure the punishment is proportional to the transgression. I agree
with Nigel that the twenty minute red card is papering
over the cracks and more complications will occur. Thank you,
Stephant appreciate it very much. Eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty as always as our number.

Speaker 13 (31:49):
Ken Hi, Hi, good ay, Jason, listen mate. Regarding the
red cards, I'm a big time rugby fan. The twenty
minute stand down is the best way to go because
I'm still trying to figure out what Nigel Olm was
trying to say is really complicating it.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I think, yeah, I think he was. What he was
trying to say was he doesn't agree with the twenty
minute red card because he doesn't agree with the red
card threshold. He believes the red card should be for
utter thuggery and recklessness and therefore, if you do those things,
you shouldn't get you twenty minutes and they get somebody
to come back on. And I don't think anyone suggesting

(32:29):
that can. I don't think anybody's saying, Okay, if a
guy comes on the side of a ruck and takes
another bloke's head off, that he should be able to
be replaced after twenty minutes. It's just that the red
card threshold now is so low, like the accidental head
on head contact, that we have to have a way
of redressing that imbalanced exactly.

Speaker 13 (32:46):
You know, like how you know with Sam Kaine at
the World Cup, you know, I mean he goes off
of the whole game, yet the South African captain exactly
the same thing comes on after teen minutes or half
an hour or whatever it was, you know, and that's
sort of ruining the spectatorship. And you know, if you
start sort of saying, oh, a red card, just have

(33:07):
it a red card if it's you know, if the
referee deems it a red card. But the problem is
a lot of the problem is is the TMO, Jason,
the TMO quite often reads it differently than the ref
and the TMO, you know, how do they actually say
this total thuggery you can be a thug, but you
can do it discreetly, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, I know you're not speaking of experienced. There can
no no, of course, but I know I know what
you mean. Yeah, the little Yeah, you're right, you could yeah,
heading away from.

Speaker 13 (33:39):
You know, back in the days with Colin Eas and
all those guys and column was never a thug.

Speaker 10 (33:43):
But you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (33:44):
I mean, you can do things that but if you
keep it simple, have the red card, keep the red
card as it is, off they go for twenty minutes,
and they're always replaced by somebody else. And if the
TMO and after reviewing it after the game, he needs
to stand down for six weeks or two months, be it,
so be it, you know, you know what I mean,

(34:06):
because they'll cut out the mistake of was that intentional or.

Speaker 14 (34:09):
Was that not?

Speaker 15 (34:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And then the yeah yeah and with that you're right
and without any time pressure as well. Ken So yeah,
so the player, the player is so the player is
red carded. Okay, they're replaced after twenty minutes, but then
after the game, yeah, exactly right. But then after the game,
you know, the next day or whatever it is, across
the next week, it's examined, the judiciary has a look
at it and says, okay, actually that is that is stuggery,

(34:32):
that's recklessness. You're out for six weeks or hey, that
was accidental, harsh and but unfair. You're only going to
get a week off or whatever.

Speaker 16 (34:38):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
But the game itself wasn't impacted in the moment, because
you know, but and the with the benefit of a
bit of time to look at it, then you can
decide on the on the punishment.

Speaker 13 (34:49):
One hundred percent, Jason, one hundred percent, because you know,
I still have nightmans about seeing Kaine in that World
Cup because the poor boger, you know, I mean, he's
not a duty player, and and you know, had he
been sent off, fear enough to risk saw that but
let him be replaced after twenty minutes because it runs
the game. You know, we probably would have won that game.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, good on you, Ken, Thanks mate, Thanks for calling through.
Please call back any time, Phil, Thanks for holding.

Speaker 16 (35:15):
All right, Bonnie, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Thank you mate?

Speaker 17 (35:19):
Excellent, excellent. Yeah, it's I listened to Michael Oh and
that was a great interview I thought talking to him,
and on the surface of it, like you said, it
just seems so simple, it doesn't, it make so much sense.
But it only gets more complicated, I think when you
start thinking about it. You know, because if you if
you take like an incident where someone is just a

(35:41):
mongol good old fashioned term mongol, you know, or or
does something really dirty or blatantly wrong, like charging in
with an elbow, like I think that time Richie Richie
got the elbow where the South African in the head,
I think when he was lying on the ground or

(36:01):
punching someone from behind or to the side or something
charging in. Then you sort of think, well, that's got
to be punished. It's got to be punished severely at
the time, you know, because that is just blatant thuggery
and that word thuggery and wrong. So you think, right,
that's red card for the entire game. I think, I

(36:21):
like the idea of this red card for twenty minutes,
and I like, I say, it only going to start
to get complicated when I start sort of thinking about
it and thinking, well.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
It pays not to think too deeply about things for others. No, no,
that's not true, but yeah, it does. It does open
up its own It does open up its own different
can of worms.

Speaker 17 (36:41):
Yes, it does because you know, part of the problem
with rugby and the numbers and that are being struggling
and the popularity going down and people not going to
the games and watching it is if you take someone
off for the whole game, then it's got to have
an effect. And instead of having a fair game so
to speak, where you've got the exact numbers playing each other,
it can become very one sided, and people they want

(37:04):
to watch a fair contest. So that creates a problem there,
and I think that we should head more like down
the rugby league. What they do, you know, only if
we're a really severe incident and then you take it
to the judiciary afterwards and you hit them hard and
the judiciary and banned them. Rather go more down that way,

(37:24):
you know. Yep?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I agree, Phil, I agree that's the way we should go.
Got to get to another call mate, but good to
get as always, Anthony, you got to be.

Speaker 15 (37:31):
On this, yeah, yeah, out now thugury red card. The
player should not be replaced because then the team will
step up their discipline. The problem that we have is
it's open to interpretation, and you know, the example being
Sam Kaine, you know, you've got a prop who's a
metro out from the line. He's driving for the line.

(37:53):
You've got a defender trying to defend his line and
the clash heads and they're three inches off the ground.
That's ridiculous, and the play isn't sent to the bin
or you know that. I think, well, we've lost is
common sense? So out and out thuggery. Your team should
be punished. Have you got a mungle on the field
that does something ridiculous? Tough luck your team's down to fourteen,

(38:16):
because then your team will start addressing the issues about
your discipline. But you know, the problem is we've got
a TMO from one week to another day that isn't consistent.
And this started to creep in with rugby league. It
got a little bit fashionable that you know, anything above
the shoulder, your symbols. So the first eight weeks of
rugby league this year that everyone got the bin. It

(38:39):
was like opradition out yellow cards. You get a yellow card,
you get a yellow card. So yeah, I think it
comes down to interpretation and the fact that common sense.
You know, the knock on, you know, a player getting
symbolmed for trying to intercept the ball. This is ridiculous,

(38:59):
and then it comes to interpretation. Was he legitimately trying
to get the ball and it just happened to fall down,
or you know, all this sort of stuff. I think
some of the interpretation of the rules needs to be clarified.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Good Man, Anthony good points well, mate, I agree with
the deliberate co on. That needs to be looked at.
That rule. I don't know how because often you can.
I mean, if you do deliberately knock a ball down
when it's heading out to the winger who's got a
clear run to the line, then you know, then perhaps
it is worthy of a yellow card. But why not
just give a penalty try if you think a try
is going to be scored. I've got a minute with
your Graham. Sorry cat, your short what's on your mind?

Speaker 18 (39:33):
No, no worries, mate. There's one thing that's been forgotten
about in all this, and that's the fan. I don't
know how much a ticket to the World Cup final,
what's the last year, Probably about a thousand euros. But
when you take off a guy the duration of the game,
you're deprived of the contest and you know, sitting here
as a fan eighty thousand of them. You're getting hipped off.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Common sense, Graham, common sense. The same sort of thing happened.
It wasn't a World Cup final. But when France came
to Wellington about I think it was about to twenty
eighteen and in the first ten minutes one of the
French guys got sent off. It was for challenging in
the air. It wasn't faggery necessarily, it wasn't head on
head contact with one of the you know you you
challenged somebody in the air. I can't remember who it was,

(40:19):
but anyway, France went down to fourteen. After ten minutes.
You could feel the energy sucked out of that ground.

Speaker 18 (40:24):
Yeah, yeah, and I remember the game at even part
Mark's got two yellow cats. He didn't do anything wrong.
It hit bloody hard and he was a wee bit upright,
but the interpretations it was off the contest.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, Graham, you've put the You've put the fan right
in the middle of the conversation which we have to do.
We have to do. Thanks for your call mate. Seven
to one News Talks headb breaking.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Down the Hail Mary's and the epic fail Weekend Sport
with Jason Pin News Talk ZB for one.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
News Talk's head Bill have scored another try in Vancouver.
The backfurns. This is twenty seven to fourteen. They lead
France now after eight minutes and the second half. Caitlin
Carlo has scored her third try hat trick for her
and this one was converted by Hanni King. So twenty
seven points to fourteen and that just becomes thirty two
fourteen as I'm talking to you. Much better performance from

(41:25):
New Zealand in this one, thirty two points to fourteen
with a kick to come as they crash over for
their sixth try. Cay Paul alson Baker. The number eight
is on the score sheet for New Zealand. We'll keep
eyes on that. After one o'clock, off to Barcelona, wrapping
Day one of the America's Cup.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
The only place to discuss the biggest spoors issues on
and after field, it's all on Weekends Ford with Jason
Vane on your home of Sport US Talks.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Hello and welcome into Weekend Sport on News Talk. Said,
but it's one o seven. I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald
is producing the show. If you call the show, he's
the first chap you'll talk to. Oh eight hundred and
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Anything that takes your fancy or that catches your ear
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(42:21):
email to Jason at NEWSTALKSEDB dot co dot nz. Keeping
on live sporters. We always do this from Vancouver A
short time ago in short of the line, holl Higher.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
For chrispher Leko charging for the replacement prop for short
of the line ho Higher Olsen Baker, Olsen Baker's over
you zeal And get another thirty two fourteen eight gone second.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Spell and that was converted to make it thirty four fourteen.
We've had fifteen minutes in the second half. France have
a player in the Synbon four ironically enough, just what
we were talking about before one o'clock, but a head
on a head contact yellow card and refer to the bunker.
And it looks as though the I thought the black
ferns were going to go on again in the corner,

(43:03):
but an errands pass has prevented that. But we'll keep
your dated with how things go. Thirty four to fourteen
New Zealand looking to end their wxv one campaign and
their calendar year on a bit of a high. We
can get you to blend him this hour where it's
Bunning's MPC quarter final number four, Tasman hosting Canterbury for

(43:24):
the right to make it through to the semifinals. We've
got one of our semi finals confirmed Wellington v. White Cuttle.
Without having an absolutely confirmed, I understand that game will
be Friday night at sky Stadium, Wellington against White Cuttle.
They have plenty of three. They will either host Canterbury
or visit Tasman depending on the outcome of this afternoons game.

(43:45):
As I say, we'll get you down to Blenham to
set the scene a little bit with Tasman Rugby CEO
Steve Mitchell this hour. James mcconiy is along as well
in his regular slot. But to the America's Cup we
Go and Team New Zealand have made a sizzling start
to the defense of the Old Mugan Barcelona a two
nil lead in the first to seven series against Ineos Britannia.

(44:09):
After a delay of almost an hour waiting for the
wind to build up, the Keys dominated the first race
and light shifty conditions to win by forty one seconds.
A rather more tense battle and race to the team's
trading the league before ten yew Zealand found a good
win shift on legue five to kick on in a
game that has somewhat so like a chess match.

Speaker 19 (44:29):
It is checkmate to Emirates Team New Zealand's they lead
the cut now two races toil Tonell.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
There are two more races scheduled overnight tonight. The New
Zealand heralds Chris Reeve is covering the Cup for US
in Barcelona. You can read his reports and analysis at
Enze Herald dot co dot NZI. Joins us now, Chris,
I read one of your pieces that suggested Ineos had
a problem with their battery just before the start of
the first race.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Is that right?

Speaker 20 (45:01):
Yeah, there was a little bit of an issue going on.
I talked to one of the aniosks after Todany couldn't
really tell me what was going on there, but it
sounded like they switched out one of their batteries which are.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Power the foils.

Speaker 20 (45:15):
So I'm not really sure what the issue was, but
it did look like it sort of slowed them down
a little bit getting into that starting box for the
first race and really set them on the back foot
to basically straight off the bat.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
So, Kevin, how important the starts and the prestart is.
Was it obvious that that gave Team New Zealand an
advantage in Race one?

Speaker 20 (45:39):
Yeah? Absolutely. The starts have been something that have been
talked about basically all week leading into this and into
this Cup match. Just getting off the start line quick,
with pace and sort of in the right direction is
vital to winning these races. The team who leads after
the first leg is quite often the one who comes

(46:01):
out winning the race, and start as a big part
of that Team New Zealand getting the jump there. I
was talking to Andy Maloney, one of the trimmers after
the racing, and he felt like that start was one
of the best they've had all would get us. So
that's a great sign for a team who haven't had
a race in about a month to come out and
hit the ground running like they did.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Absolutely, And I think that was one of the big
questions Chris, wasn't It was how would team you set
on Bee having not raced competitively for the best part
of a month. Did they look like a team that
had just been watching on and not racing.

Speaker 20 (46:34):
I looked like a team who just have been racing.
I mean, they looked great out there today. It wasn't
an easy day either. The wind was sort of all
over the place. It was light, and then it sort
of built into the afternoon, but it was still very
patchy and they had to work really hard to sort
of put the pieces together to make a good complete race.

(46:57):
And we saw that in the second race that they
were able to do that. I think it was the
fifth leg, the second to last up wind, that they
really started putting the putting the pieces together and built
a good lead in that one. And what really impressed
me about them today was the comms on board. Like
I said, it was a tough day and they were
really just kind.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
Of talking it out.

Speaker 20 (47:19):
And that's a big part of these boats now that
you've got helmsmen on both sides, so they really only
see one side of the course each So it was
really interesting to listen to that and just how sort
of detailed they go into these things.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Across the two races. Were you able to tell who's
faster upwind and who's faster downwind?

Speaker 20 (47:41):
Yeah, it's hard to say, after one day of racing,
I think I would like to see them in well,
I guess a couple more races or different conditions to
see sort of what the paces look like. But today
it was very clear that Emeratesty New Zealand were faster
upwind and any of Us Britannia were faster downwind. Downwind

(48:01):
has been a big strength of the Bricks throughout the campaign,
so that was a big surprise. But it'll be interesting
to see how if that changes in the next few
races over the coming days.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
So by the sounds of things, the second race was
a lot closer, just a twenty seven second winning margin
at the end. No lead changes in the first race, Chris,
Were there lead changes in the second?

Speaker 11 (48:24):
Yeah, there were.

Speaker 20 (48:26):
There were kind of in the first two or three legs.
There was a really really close match racing. That first
leg was great. The media center, we're all quite tense
watching that because just those crosses were so close you
didn't really know who was going to have the lead
by the first gate. Ultimately, Team New Zealand did get

(48:47):
that to get us quite a slim lead at the
first gate and went on to win. But yeah, it's
good to see some lead changes, because I know some
people might be a little bit skeptical after seeing some
races earlier in the campaign where you know, there weren't
a lot of lead changes. So actually seeing that and
seeing that just how competitive these two boats are alongside

(49:09):
one another, it's it bodes well for the coming week.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, well, Team New Zealand will be very happy, obviously,
having banked two race wins, they just need to get
to seven. Did you see enough though from Anyos Britannia
to suggest that this won't just be seven nil?

Speaker 20 (49:25):
Yeah, I think they'll. They'll make Team New Zealand work
for it. In saying that Team New Zealand could still
win this one seven nil, I mean that's not out
of the question at all. Like the second race today Inios,
Britannia probably could have won that had they been the
team to guess put those shifts together. So it can
come down to one or two decisions these races, you know,

(49:47):
make one make one rock move and you lose the race.
It's that that type.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
And you mentioned the conditions a couple of times. Can
you just expand on them though, Chris, The nature of
the en course conditions that greeted these two teams today.

Speaker 20 (50:02):
Yeah, we're kind of the reverse of what we were
told to expect. So we were told that the wind
would sort of be good for good for racing around
sort of two in the afternoon here, which is when
things were meant to start. That didn't happen. There was
a delay of about fifty minutes as the wind built,
And yeah, like I said before, when the wind did build,

(50:24):
it was like it was probably a decent breeze, sort
of toward the lower end of the limit still but
just a little bit better in certain areas of the course.
And the sea state, of course they get out here
doesn't really help these things in a little bit of
lump on the on the surface gives them something else

(50:45):
they have to sort of factor into all their decision making.
So there's a lot going on out there that these
guys have to take into consideration when they're pre prepping
their boats for the conditions.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
And there are two more races scheduled tomorrow. So have
you seen the fore cast. What's the likelihood of getting
those underway?

Speaker 20 (51:03):
Yeah, fans back at home, I'm getting up to watching
the racing. They probably want to probably want to make
a strong pot of coffee for the morning. It's not
looking good at the moment. We're expecting very very light
when you know, maybe that'll change overnight and they get
a little bit more breeze than they're expecting. But yeah,

(51:26):
I don't know how confident they are about getting two
races done tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
All right, We'll wait and see on that. And now,
with Team New Zealand actually racing competitively, is it obvious
that there's a bit of support for Team New Zealand
on short.

Speaker 20 (51:40):
Yeah, there's a lot of Kiwis in town.

Speaker 21 (51:42):
Man.

Speaker 20 (51:43):
We went down to the dock out this morning and
there was thousands of people down there just lining the
waterfront to watch the boat peel out. That's been something
that's I guess grown over the last few days since
I've been here, that there's a sort of noticeable influx
of Kiwi's have made their way down here. And you
see all the Team New Zealand kick down on the waterfront,

(52:06):
So there's definitely plenty of support down here.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Good to hear, Chris. Thanks for staying up for us, mate,
get some sleep and we'll look forward to day two
of the America's Cup match tomorrow. That's Chris Reeve from
the New Zealand Herald. He's in Barcelona covering the America's
Cup match for us. Read him at endzid Herald dot
co dot nz or the analysis and other bits and
pieces there for you as well. So to nil to
New Zealand after two races? Did you get up and watch?

(52:32):
Or did you We discussed this a lot yesterday. Did
you go the more civilized approach of getting up this
morning and watching a replay? What did you make of it?
We had quite a bit of sailing analysis on the
show yesterday. Actually didn't we I was quite I wasn't surprised.
I knew the Zby audience were fairly well versed on
all sorts of sport. But if you watch what did
you make of it? Did it look as though Team

(52:53):
New Zealand had the edge? I mean they're not huge margins,
are they. I've looked at some highlights. I couldn't possibly
say that I've analyzed these races in any depth. But
when you win by the margins that Team New Zealand
did of was it forty one seconds and then twenty
seven seconds? The second race was really good? They were
you know, I think it was who do we have.

(53:14):
On yesterday, Ray Davies said, there's not often a heck
of a lot of lead changing during these races, but
there was in race too. They traded the lead, you know,
a couple of three times before eventually ten Zealand found
a good wind on leg five and kicked on and
claimed the win. But if you watched it, keen to
hear your thoughts, if it's the first time you've watched it,
keen to hear your thoughts because a lot of people,

(53:34):
like I said yesterday, haven't engaged with the America's Cup
yet because we haven't been in it. Now we are.
Did you watch it? What did you think? Susie's got
in touch? Susie says, we spoke yesterday Jason, I had
the whoop. See on the population of New Zealand. I
see three million. I agree, it's actually five and a half.
What a great night it was for the hundreds of
thousands of Team New Zealand local and international supporters. I

(53:56):
loved it. Thanks Susie. I thought you would. I thought
you would.

Speaker 20 (54:00):
We will.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
We'll hear from Peter Berling and Andy Maloney very very shortly.
But if you had a look, let us know you're analysis.
Did you get up Mark and have a have a
look or watch it this morning at breakfast time.

Speaker 8 (54:12):
I split.

Speaker 11 (54:13):
I watched the first race and I got up and
watched the rebot.

Speaker 15 (54:17):
Actually I watched it on my computer when I get up.

Speaker 9 (54:19):
In the morning.

Speaker 11 (54:19):
But yeah, it looks like a team music on have
passed the boat once again.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (54:25):
I just thinking the constant breeze. I think they'll they'll
blow them away.

Speaker 11 (54:28):
It looked like they had a smaller a smaller gyb
than any of which sort of affected their down wind speeder.
But but they looked fast.

Speaker 15 (54:36):
I think of the two.

Speaker 22 (54:37):
Boats, you have to stay faster.

Speaker 11 (54:40):
It is was the key in America's Cup.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and the I read that book this morning.
I'm not sure whether it was obvious on the TV
coverage or not about any Ospretennia having. I mean, I've
spent teens of millions of dollars on their boat and
then they've got to replace their battery three minutes before
the start.

Speaker 11 (54:59):
It was an idea, I suppose before the first first race,
after you've spent so much money game here, it's not
really not really idea, but I guess, yeah, those sort
of things. What do you think about Dalton?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Do you?

Speaker 11 (55:12):
I mean to me, I mean, if he's not going
to bring it back to New Zealand, I think I'll
actually rather the British want to be far. I just
think what Grant Dalton.

Speaker 22 (55:21):
Did to New Zealand it was pretty dirty.

Speaker 9 (55:25):
What are you well?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I tend to focus more on the on the on
the on the water staff mark, if I'm honest. I look,
I know Grant Dalton's a very polarizing figure. I've never
met him. I've had the chance, I think, to speak
to him a couple of times and interview situations. I
think there's you know, there's certainly a school of thought
that if we're not going to defend the cup on

(55:48):
home Waters, then a lot of people will disengage from it.
And you know, obviously stands to reason if it was
that it was at Auckland and the Hoechy Golf or
what am I to harb or whatever it was, then
of course there'll be thousands and thousands and thousands of
people there. But yeah, I haven't gone down the track
of thinking, Okay, well he's annoyed me so much that

(56:08):
I hope we lose it, Because I've met and chatted
to a you know, to a number of the sailors
on board, and I like them a lot, you know,
I like Peter Berling a lot. I like Blair Chook.
I like well, Haymous Bond is on there isn't hen't
see him's there there cycling Josh Junior of middle these
guys and then and they're top men, top lugs, so
I want success for them.

Speaker 11 (56:30):
Yeah, yeah, and that's true. But I just thought it
was completely dirty and the handed how he just sort
of took it away from New Zealand after and I
sort of feel it's a bit of an a front
calling it almost Team new Zealand. Now he should call
it Team Dalton or something like that really rather than
Team New Zealand. Because I've been watching The America's Captains Freemantle,

(56:50):
and you know, I was always I've always watched it
and enjoyed it, and you know, the whole idea was
to bring us back in New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (56:57):
It's great for the country and tourism, and no one
even do that, and for people like myself were just
completely disgusting with him that he did that, and you know,
I mean, they've taken a line of money over the decade.
It's not just the Team Zealand took a lot of
money off textayers and council and they've got a lot
of help from And I thought he was quite the

(57:19):
spoil when he decided to take off.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah, yeah, I guess he'd say. And I'm sure you've
you've you've picked up on this mark. I'm sure he'd
say that. You know, he had to because he needed
needed the money, you know, needed to you know, he
wasn't able to get the investment he needed from from
here and therefore had to make the had to make
the move offshore to get greater investment over there. I

(57:44):
kind of agree. My colleague Adam Cooper, who hosted the
All Sport Breakfast yesterday morning, made this point about whether
we should still attach a sense of nationalism to Team
New Zealand or whether it should just be called Emirates.
But like I say, I I have met Peter Berling

(58:04):
a couple of times and I really like them. I
just like him a lot. I like Blair Chuk, I
like Hamish Bond, I like Josh Jr. I like Andy Maloney,
all of these sailors who have had the opportunity to
chat to on the radio show. I've really liked all
of them, and as I've seen a number of times,
you want success for people that you like, and I

(58:26):
like them, so I hope they win. I don't I
don't feel the same way about Team New Zealand as
I do about the All Blacks or the Black Ferns
or the Black Caps or those other teams. I don't
feel a nationalistic attachment to Team New Zealand, but that
doesn't mean that I want these these good Kiwis.

Speaker 8 (58:46):
To do well.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
One twenty four News talks the b We're back back
with more right after.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
This The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport
Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and GJ. Gunner, homes New
Zealand's most trusted oh builder.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
News talks one Succe He's Peter Berling straight afterward or
or shortly after the race. Yeah, I mean it was
awesome out there.

Speaker 23 (59:10):
Obviously this morning we went out was pretty light, so
we're hoping to get a bit of racing in. I
think today's the first say we felt actually ready to
go and it was awesome to put down two good performances.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Typically understated from Peter Berling. Here's another Pete get i, Pete,
there you go.

Speaker 24 (59:25):
And here we go out in the old Cup. There
we went up this time round right, we we do
go ahead. But I didn't actually watch it at all
the two races in the morning. That's what sort of
annoyed me, as what's happened is we've won and it
should have been challenged here. And I think most u
zingands think the same Grant Dolphin pharaohs. If he doesn't
get challenged you next time we win it, he's got

(59:46):
to go because all the end of the paraos on
and so he might be hating sellingers, but he's hit
in the big back end.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Thanks Pete. I appreciate your call. Look, I don't think
it'll be here next time. I think, let's say that
we win it, that we defend it, I don't think
it will be back here. That's my gap feel on it.
And yes it does. I think quite a bit of
emotion when we've defended it and had such great moments

(01:00:13):
defending it in New Zealand. But yeah, I kind of tend,
like say, at the moment, to focus on what's happening
on the water. I feel like we had the conversation
about whether it should be defended here or not defended here,
And yes, you are quite within your rights to feel
disengaged by it, disenfranchised. Perhaps no one's forcing you to

(01:00:34):
watch it, Absolutely they're not. I tend to, like I say,
focus on what happens on the water. And maybe maybe
that's a bit nai even roast, In't it? Not separating
myself from what's happening out there on the water with
what has happened off the water. However, that's the way
I tend to approach it. Hello, Jason, Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:00:55):
I'll tell you where I'm at with first, and I
agree with you. I think it's time that we just
get them behind. If we you can't be disingenious with us.
If everyone just wants to put it a little bit
of the pspective around this grunt Dalton thing. If you
look at Nias Pretannia one hundred and fifty million dollars
they sunk into this campaign, well it might have been

(01:01:15):
a bit more than that. There is no way in
God's Earth if Grant Dalton had have left it made
the decision to defend it here, going up against a
syndicate that through that amount of money in that we
would be anywhere close to getting the achievements we got
this morning in terms of those two races. I can
tell you that now technology costs enormous sums of money.

(01:01:37):
That this is sort of for our this is formula
one on the water and people have got to realize
that that. Yes, Grant Dalton's polarizing and all that, but
he made the decision. I would rather have us over
that side of the world and have Emirates Team New
Zealand bantered all around the commentary box like we've got
this morning for three and a half hours, then have

(01:01:59):
it here and be embarrassed, because that's exactly what would
have happened. We did not have the money to put
into this camp pain to keep pace with the likes
of the syndicates that that you know, we're in the
Louis ver Tan and that's where I've gone a little
bit full circle on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, Jose, I don't think you're alone. I don't think
you're alone in that. As I say, much as you
can agree or disagree with the decision to defend the
America's Cup off shore, the decision has been made. It
was made a long time ago. We've known this for
a long time and we debated it at the time,

(01:02:38):
and like I say, you're quite within your rights to
feel put out, annoyed, disengaged, disenfranchised by the whole thing.
That is totally your prerogative. Absolutely it is. But if
you focus on what's happening on the water, which I mean,
this is a sports show. Yes, I know it's news talks,
eb I get that. I know we talk about things

(01:02:58):
wider than just the sport, but this is a sports show,
so I would prefer to focus on what's what happens
on the water other than what has happened off the water.
Just one more comment from Peter Berling. What did they
learn about inios in the first two races. I think
we know the Brits really well.

Speaker 23 (01:03:17):
I think we've seen them perform at a really high
level throughout the Leuverton Cup Final. Yeah, today was a
so shifting dynamic that if you put it in the
right place you gained a lot and if you've got
it wrong you lost a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
And we saw that at times.

Speaker 23 (01:03:30):
You know, we had that one little change in the
middle of the second race, and we're really pleased with
the way minister to take on some complicated options and
make it stick.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
There is Peter Berling. Races three and four, as mentioned,
are scheduled for tomorrow morning same time, although, as Chris
Reeve mentioned to us when we chatted to him, the
wind conditions are the forecast anyway not necessarily conducive to racing.
But we'll see what happens when they get back out
on the water around one o'clock tomorrow morning. New Zealand time,
it's nineteen to two week Sport twenty nine to two.

(01:04:02):
That should be I didn't mean to make your panic
that you'd lost ten minutes somewhere twenty nine to two
to the first NPC semifinal locked in.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
The time is up.

Speaker 26 (01:04:10):
If he says kick it out, he does, it's over way.
Can I have made it to the Bummings and PC
semi final in a dramatic game at Yarrow Stadium fifteen fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
There White Cuddles upset win over Taranaki last night means
the Mulu Men will travel to the capital to take
on Wellington Friday night. The other semi will feature Bay
of Plenty. Their opponent will depend on the results of
quarter Final four, which is underway in Blenham at five
past two, Tasman hosting Canterbury. If Tasman win, they will

(01:04:44):
host Bay of Plenty. If Canterbury win, Canterbury will travel
to the Bay to take on the Steamers. Tasman CEO
Steve Mitchell is with us from Lansdowne Park. How's your weather, Steve, Yes, little.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
To cloudy, but it's some It's a great day for
forty good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Was this game always going to be in Blenham rather
than Nelson?

Speaker 8 (01:05:04):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yes, and just what just to share it around the
top of the South. Is that the thinking there?

Speaker 20 (01:05:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:05:11):
Yeah, we try and even it up as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Now you had the shield, Yeah, yeah, sorry Steve, you
had the shield. Obviously you had have taken off your
last weekend. You get the feeling your boys are doubly
determined to go well in the in the playoffs, given
the fact that they could notd onto that log last week.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
Yeah, look, it was going to be a tough ask
hanging onto the shield of the end of storm week
in Taranaki. Were always going to come full noise, which
they did to their credit. Yeah, the boys have had
a full week of between games, so we're hoping that
will be running hard and ready to score to day.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
All right, Just on the on the shield. I know
you would have liked to have kept hold of it
over the summer, But how much did you enjoy having
it in your region for the first time?

Speaker 20 (01:05:54):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
A lot, to be honest. It was bigger than what
I anticipated. What it meant for people was quite an
eye opener. We took it as far and wide around
the community as we could, and the reception it was
just amazing. I'm very, very proud and privileged to have
it here for a short time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
All right, So you now focus on this quarter final
this afternoon, I see Ethan Blackadder has been ruled out
with a calf niggli picked up in training. Is this
kind of precautionary given he's about to head north for
All Blacks.

Speaker 8 (01:06:24):
Yeah, Look, he wasn't running freely anyway. We're try and
have confidence in our whole team, so we just probably
best to park him up and give the other lads
to run fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
And I heard Nullah Hotham has spend a bit crock
as well. Has he made it to the game.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
He was on the team list as as far as
this morning. I'm not one hundred percent sure they were
going to reassess, but yeah, I think he's just got
a blue bug or something. All right, Yeah, this is good.
But Phil, he's playing excellently. And give me got Mason
lun and young Louis Chapman in a half back role.
So yeah, we're pretty well covered.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
He's got a bit of depth there, haven't You got
a couple of couple of your blokes from Noah and
Findlay heading off with all fifteen of course after the
end of the MPC, So I think you're pretty well
pretty well served for halfbacks. And David Harvilly presume he's okay,
pretty big influence on your site.

Speaker 8 (01:07:15):
Yeah, yeah, look at yeah, he's he's a soldier from
way back. Really, you know, he's got many a man
or within the squad. Really miss Quinny Strange.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
That was.

Speaker 8 (01:07:25):
Devastating injury for us as a group. But you know
he's still floating around and putting his bitter when he can.
But you know, to have David back, yeah, we're pretty
happy with that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I guess you also know now, Steve, given the fact
that Talanacky lost last night, that if you do win
this afternoon, it's a home semi against Bay of Plenty.
So how much extra motivation will that give to the team?

Speaker 8 (01:07:47):
Yeah, okay, the boys. The boys be very very keen
to host home semi back and Nelson, So yeah, I'd
expect no holds barred and I'll leave it all out
on the field today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I reckon. We've always looked at Cannabring and Tasman as
sort of a big brother, little brother scenario. But is
Tasman now the little brother that's actually better than their
big brother?

Speaker 8 (01:08:08):
Oh love, God put us on a part of it,
and I've got the biggest catchment. I think our programs
are very very similar. You know, we run a joint
kateemic system. Yeah, look, I don't know. I suppose numbers
was we are the little brother, but competitive we where
we definitely have a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
What sort of crowd you're expecting this afternoon.

Speaker 8 (01:08:29):
Hopefully three and a half to four and a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Half A nice nice in PC's been in. PC has
been good this year. We had a lot of chat
about it on the show yesterday. You know, there's a
lot of uncertainty about results. You know, teams have have
you know, have punched above their weight and and there's
a bit of jeopardy around results. Is that what you're
feeling like? It's been a pretty good MPC season.

Speaker 8 (01:08:49):
Oh completely, looky, you know the last two games and
we can't have shown on anybody can win on any
given day.

Speaker 20 (01:08:56):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:08:56):
Southland's upset in their last round of the competition showed
the same thing. So no, I think it's it's the
competition at the moment. It's very very exciting and here
be tough. If you're a punter, that's for sure, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I guess you could still host a fight, or couldn't you?
All though that would mean that my Wellington team would
have to lose. Steve, I'm not going to wish that.
I'm not gonna wish that for you, but yeah, I
mean you potentially you could if I kind of tip
up Wellington.

Speaker 8 (01:09:22):
Yeah, correct, potentially we could and then you know that
would make it for losing the shields.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Good man. I got on your Steve good to chat
on match day with you. Made all the best this afternoon,
Thank you very much, Thank you all the best. Cheers
Bye bye. That's Steve Mitchell, CEO of Tasman. Five past
two this afternoon, we've got a commentary on gold Sport
and iHeartRadio of that one for you. And yeah, if
Tasman win, they will host what they will host Bay
of Plenty presumably next Saturday night. If it was to

(01:09:51):
be Canterbury who win this afternoon, then they would travel
to Todonga to take on Bay of Plenty. So the
Steamers know they're there. They've obviously won their quarter final.
They made pretty tough work yesterday to be fair against
talks maybe got there at the end. They know they're
in the quarter the Semis rather, they just need to
find out whether they'll be traveling or whether they will
be hosting twenty two away from two all over in

(01:10:16):
Vancouver and the Black Ferns have had a really good
finish to the season. It's been a disappointing WXV one
competition for them. I think they would absolutely accept that.
But thirty nine to fourteen they have beat in France
thirty nine to fourteen, a really good finish to the
Black Ferns season. Let's hope that they can use that
as a spring board into next year and a really

(01:10:38):
good build up towards the World Cup next year when
they'll defend the title they won. It'll be tough though
over in England. I've read that England team is now.
I think they've lost one out of fifty games, and
that was that World Cup final when they've downed a
fourteen after ten minutes. Incredible consistency that England Roses team.
They'll be tough to beat at home next year. Let's

(01:11:00):
get a breakaway when we come back. We're off to
James mcconi, who joins us in as regular Sunday slot
the Big.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Issues on and after Fields Call eighty ten eighty Weekend
Sport with Jason Fain and GJ. Gunnerhomes, New Zealand's first
trusted home builder News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Abb eighteen away from two Baptists underway. We'll keep eyes
on that for you, as we will on the Bunnings
MPC quarterfinal just after two o'clock with Tasman hosting Canterbury
in Blenham. James mcconey is here.

Speaker 9 (01:11:31):
Hello mate, good a plenty house things, very.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Good, couple of good quarterfinals and the Bunnings MPC yesterday.
Bay of Plenty nineteen Hawks Bay seventeen. So Bay of
Plenty are the real Bay?

Speaker 20 (01:11:43):
Are they?

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:11:45):
Apparently they're the real Bay? Sing it you from the
mountaintops from Mount Manga Nui. It is they other Bay
and two cliffhangers, really, but that one there when you
see how good Hawks Bay are in terms of personnel,
and obviously Harry Godfrey is scoring an absolute worldy of
a try. I saw your tweet saying lock for the

(01:12:07):
number fifteen Jersey for the Canes with Ruben Love at ten,
But what about a Switcherroud? What about Godbury at ten
where he played all of schoolboy rugby for Want and
New Collegiate.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
You're not the first person to suggest that, James, I
must say, after I did tweet that out, people see
you and I'll flip them around. Ruben Love obviously has
played mainly at fifteen I think, in fact, almost exclusively
at fifteen for the Hurricanes. Yeah, I had heard that
Harry Godfrey was a fairly handy ten as well.

Speaker 9 (01:12:34):
Yeah, so it could go that way. But it was
actually good to see the Steamers, you know, just get
it done in at home. I love that boutique ground
at the Toad and at the main But of course
for me Piney big game was Tadanaki versus my Mulus
and oh my goodness, just the absolute game of two
halves by the way to show on Thursday nights on

(01:12:54):
Sky Open if you're interested. But it's just one of
those ones where I thought, Tardanaki, we're going to get that.
They just look so strong in the second half and
how much it meant to them. Did you see Ricky
rica Telli joking back the tears in the postmatch interview.
It's awesome to see really that much feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I totally agree. I totally agree. And it was a yeah,
weird old game was what why I do? Fifteen mill
ahead with about thirty minutes to go, but then Toderneckey
brought it back to what fifteen fourteen? They were still
twenty to go. I actually thought they were going to
run over the top of you guys, but no.

Speaker 9 (01:13:29):
Well innovative player as well from Barnsey the coach down there,
Neil Barnes having two half backs on the field so
they could pick and go quicker then or you know,
recycle the ball fast. It was incredible stuff. I love
to see it. Bradley Slater, who looks like a traditional
set of hooker with a little deaf chip and chase.
There was just a lot of things happening that were

(01:13:51):
kind of quite strange, but I thought maybe what you
could put it down to is Aaron Crude and the
old Master running the cutter really nicely and maybe showing
Josh Jacob how to sort of win a game against
all odds, you know, just controlling the game at number ten.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Now, do you stay with me on this analogy? Do
you think that Canterbury feel a bit like Nathan McCullum
now and that they were a good cricketer growing up,
or Nathan was and then their younger brother Brendan came
through and just sort of usurped everything you'd done. Do
you think Canterbury feel that way about Tasman?

Speaker 9 (01:14:27):
Oh good analogy? Yeah, well they must do. But now
the problem is when you're a city where you're the
home base for another team. I either Crusaders, they succeed
so much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
You can.

Speaker 9 (01:14:40):
It's the danger of just flying under the raidar not
actually being noticed, you know, like you could probably win
an NPC and only get a smattering of fans around
the stadium. So that's probably just living in the shadow
of Razor's era with the Crusaders hasn't helped them either,
And you know what it's like with Super Rugby. They
just get players from wherever, you know, like Raiser used

(01:15:03):
to scour their landscape. Remember feu kam will come on Douglas.
Yes it was a White Countil captain. So this is
what happens at Super Rugby. And I think the Tasman
has really bolstered that Crusaders a region and made them
so great, so they can take credit there yet. But
it is tough for them because I think every side

(01:15:25):
wants to beat Canterbury because they've been the standard bearer,
the benchmark for so long.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Indeed, other matters around are black Ferns thirty nine to
fourteen winners over France. It's a good end to what's
been I think by their standards are fairly mediocre WXV
one campaign.

Speaker 9 (01:15:41):
Yeah, it has been tough for them and I actually
they played really well. To watch them against France just
now on that you know, the artificial turf, which is
always weird and awkward, but anyway, it was a comfortable
within the end. But what I thought was good for
them is that they actually got a bit of heat
from the media and the public and what that means

(01:16:02):
is that people care about them deeply. You've got to
wear that as a badge of honor, because you know
what it's like when the callers are just all talking
about the All Blacks or the or the Black Caps.
But suddenly when people start to take notice and argue
about who should be playing ten for the Black Ferns,
you know, all they need is to have a really

(01:16:24):
good number eight who's been left out, and maybe for
the coach to be scrutinized just as much. And you're
getting towards, you know, in the conversation, like the All
Blacks so good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
On yep, I totally agree. It's engagement, isn't it. You know,
it's not getting talked about. Is worse, isn't it? You
know if people didn't really care, you know that that's
way worse. People are engaged, I think in this team,
and that happens at the back end of what twenty
twenty two when they won the World Cup, and it
has continued and I think we will follow them with
great interest next year as they try to, you know,

(01:16:55):
try and win it again America's Cup. How are you
feeling about the America's Cup.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
I'm feeling bullish about it. I'm enjoying the fact that
our boat looks quite fast, which is I remember, didn't
that happen in San Francisco? Remember that?

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
I still I'm not it was, Yeah, that was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I mean, it has to be one of the I
guess the most. I don't even know what the right
adjective is, but like eight one ahead and you lose
nine to eight, I don't, I don't. Yeah, outrageous is good.
I don't know the word choke necessarily because there's no there,
no way they were out there, you know, doing the
wrong things. It's just yeah, Jimmy Spittle just found a way,

(01:17:38):
found a way. Hey, now next week. I just got
word yesterday that I might be doing the show next
Saturday from Mount Smart when Auckland FC have their opening
game of the of the of their life against Brisbane.
Are you going to be along at this game?

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
Look, I can't make it. I'm working at a charity
event down in the White Couttle, but I will be
following it all the way. I've been at Auckland their
c trainings, have been doing stories with the players, have
met gjm or May from Uruguay, who is completely perplexed
by the unpredictable Auckland weather, and I had to say

(01:18:15):
to him. Sorry, Yemo, it's not going to get much
better for you. It's always four seasons in one day
for most of the year, so you cannot plan for anything.
But look, I've just named another player as well, a
Colombian winger called Nada Moreno. I don't know any of
these players, Pineyer, I will be honest, Okay, I don't

(01:18:35):
know any of the imports. But just by doing a
little bit of research you find that they've actually scoured
the globe rather nicely to get those players and to
fit with some fairly well established Kiwi names, you know,
with Alex Paulson and Gold Tommy Smith, Nando Payneker in
the center of defense. So look, there is what you

(01:18:56):
call maybe a spine of Kiwi players. But the biggest
signing really is a Japanese player called Horki Sakai, who
played in three World Cups, including the upset victory over
Germany in the last World Cup, which is a massive boilover.
So this guy is a genuine star superstar played for Marseille.
So look, they've done quite well and thoroughly enjoy being

(01:19:18):
around Aukland, their sea, and they've even met their answer
to yellow fever the fan base known as the Port.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing them in action. They've
sold out. I think they're going to solve the whole
ground out, but they've so they sold out the Port
section fairly early. What's their version of shirts off after
eighty minutes going to because they can't do the same thing.
Have they got their thing or will that? Do you
think develop organically as they.

Speaker 9 (01:19:43):
Say, I'm assuming it will be pants down, you know.
I think that has to be the opposite of the phoenix,
so we will see pants on the ground.

Speaker 13 (01:19:52):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:19:52):
I don't know piney, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
But I haven't.

Speaker 9 (01:19:56):
Look, I've been writing songs for them. They haven't actually
asked me to contribute at all, but you know, I've
just thought, hey, look I'm keen to get on the
song sheets somehow. And I was thinking, you've got Nando pymakers,
So straight away, you know, it's like can you clear
the ball pres Nando? You know, like Ebba, you know
he was in the air that night the stars were

(01:20:20):
bright and Nando, you know like that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
You're right, I'm absolutely on board with that sort of thing.
Look much as much as I much as I'm a
little bit hesitant to endorse anything ever have done. When
you put it alongside a football chat, I'm actually on
board with it.

Speaker 9 (01:20:35):
I know if you're sing it in a tough way,
EBBA can be tough. Okay, do it right like a
gigser why not?

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Why not?

Speaker 13 (01:20:45):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Just before you go, do you keep eyes on Major
League Baseball? I think it might be getting a little
bit interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:20:51):
It is getting interesting, and so is American collegiate football
allways on America at the moment, because the NBA even
starts next week to start to walk on the sea,
give well, you know, launch into life. So at the
moment that the October, so it's playoffs, and wouldn't it
be amazing if it was, if it could be hoctually.
I'm not sure of the different leagues, but can you

(01:21:13):
have Yankees Dodges? I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 (01:21:15):
Tell me Pioney right now.

Speaker 9 (01:21:16):
But there is Shohe Tahanay and Aaron Judge, who are
two big stars helping the sport. That is really a
bit of a doul drums if you look at the numbers,
it hasn't been good for sport. And maybe that's a
discussion for another day. And I always say with sport. Well, yeah,
there are other interests. People get distracted, kids are gaming,

(01:21:38):
whatever it is. But then I look population wise. The
population of the world at ninety eighty seven was five
billion and now it's eight billion, So he's no excuse
for sports. Is there really plenty of people out there, Pony?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
They're everywhere you look, everywhere you look, there are people,
well most places anyway, James, enjoy your week. Let's chat
again next Sunday.

Speaker 9 (01:21:59):
All right, cheers, Piney, take care of mate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
You take care too, James. A behavi yourself, Andy. I
wonder how Nando Pinnika would feel about being aligned to

(01:22:22):
Fernando by Abba. Maybe he'll find out the port might
sing it to him. Looking forward to broadcasting Life from
Go Media Mount Smart next Saturday, head of the opening
game for Auckland FC seven or.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Two, analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting
world Weekends for It with Jason Vaib Call hundred eighty
news talks four to two, ten.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Of one hundred and sixty one laps gone at Mount
Panorama for Bathhurst the Great Race, Brodie Casticki Leeds from
brock Feenie Richie stand Away. The first of the key
was in third place. Matt Payne is currently tenth, andre
Heimgartner fourteenth as iron my eye down the Alita board,
but only ten of one hundred and sixty one laps gone.
A lot of racing become at Mount Panorama after two o'clock.

(01:23:06):
Matt Winter, coach of Mid Canterbury. Yesterday they beat South Canterbury,
who had won their previous thirty nine games. Incredible stuff
Mid Canterbury right after two The.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Only plays for the big names, the big issues, the
big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on Weekend
Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
It'd been two six one more hour Weekend Sport for
today and then we handed over to Tim Beverage for
the weekend Collective. We'll keep eyes on Bunnings NPC quarter
Final number four from Lansdowne Park, Blenham, Tasman and Canterbury
going head to head just underway, no score after sixty
seconds so far. This hour going to hear from both

(01:23:55):
head coaches of the two New Zealand based A League sides.
Wellington Phoenix head coach John Caloertelliano's on the show ass
Auckland FC's inaugural coach, Steve Coricker. They are six days
away from their A League's debut against Brisbane raw Go
Media Mount Smart Saturday from five o'clock the show will

(01:24:18):
come to you. That's Weekend Sport will come to you
from Mount Smart next Saturday ahead of that game. So
Steve Coricker and Jianculo are Taliana on the show. Very
shortly Matt Winter, who is the head coach of Mid
Canterbury who yesterday brought to an end the longest winning
streak in New Zealand provinci or rugby history beating South

(01:24:38):
Canterbury and the Meats Cup semi finals. We'll check them
with Matt Winter and also keep eyes on Mount Panorama
where the bath Furst one thousand is going on there
through fifteen of one hundred and sixty one laps. Brodie
Castecki Leeds from brock Feenie Ritchie Stanaway is still in
the third place, but we'll keep eyes on that for
you as well. But as we approach eight past two,

(01:24:59):
as we always do at around about this time on
Weeken Sport, it is time to bring you up to
date with the stuff that you may have missed. Anny
McDonald's always has been slaving away at this feature. It's
called in case you missed it, And again it's been
happy hunting for our white ferns at the Women's T
twenty cricket World Carver. First six of.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
This match will be the last six of the contest,
and quite predictably, it's come off the bat of Silvery
Divine the captain and it takes New Zealand to a win,
a desperately needed win by eight wickets Uva Sri Lanka.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I'm not actually sure it was a desperately needed one,
to be honest. I've already beaten India, lost of Australia.
But the White Ferns have their destiny in their own
hands with one group game to play to Utah. Ryan
Fox scraping into the third round at the PGA Black
Desert Championship.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Ryan Fox at fifteen put down a two on the
car nice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Verdie and bounce back with a three hundred path third round.
He is in a high for fiftieth closer to home
and upset in the NPCs quarterfinals.

Speaker 26 (01:26:11):
Charges and taking a tackle though back to the open
side right now.

Speaker 27 (01:26:14):
I switched clud and getting our chances.

Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
Every whitecado away.

Speaker 26 (01:26:16):
It goes to Norris and I'm on the right hand
wing and it's a try.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
The mathis railer on.

Speaker 27 (01:26:20):
The mathis on the right wing.

Speaker 26 (01:26:22):
They had the numbers on the canal. Have stort their second.
The visitors have come to play tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
And they won Waikato, upending the defending champion taranucky side.
And earlier yesterday, the Battle of the Bays certainly lived
up to its hype.

Speaker 19 (01:26:36):
It's Colossi at the backs, hustling forward three minutes, two minutes,
one meter.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
Can they get the ball down?

Speaker 27 (01:26:44):
Yes they can?

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
Oh pay a plenty?

Speaker 7 (01:26:48):
Have they pinched this back to trast trust it to touch.

Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
And pay a plenty of heading to the semifinals and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
A dramatic finish at this morning's NASCAR Exfinity race, a
podium just not quite enough for Shane van Gisberg and
to advance in the playoff series.

Speaker 19 (01:27:06):
SPG has the advantage and a tiebreaker if those two
end tied in the points.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
SPG has the advantage.

Speaker 19 (01:27:15):
Now Love has gained a position into the final turn
of the sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Every one Sam Mayer is gonna win at the role bar.

Speaker 19 (01:27:23):
SPG looks like it'll end up potentially two points out
of the playoffs. Love finishes up in that position, and
Love is going to advance.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Epic Fails Weekend
Sport with Jason Pine Newstalk Zenby.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Ten past two, the longest winning streak in New Zealand
provincial rugby history has finally come to an end. After
thirty nine straight victories stretching back over eighteen hundred days
to October of twenty nineteen, South Canterbury have finally been
beaten by their neighbors from an hour up the road.
Mid Canterbury, playing in their first Meads Cup semi five

(01:28:06):
in nine years, have won seventeen sixteen with a penalty
deep into added time. The win was masterminded by Mid
Canterbury's first year head coach Matt Winter, who joins us now. Matt,
thanks for your time. Did you sleep okay last night?

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:28:22):
Like a baby, like a baby, j Yeah. It was
pretty special, pretty special occasion, pretty special performance and yeah, yeah,
very pleased to get it all done, mate.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
I heard your chatting on our christ Church News Talk
Z'B show yesterday morning. You talked about limiting their opportunities.
How did you feel when they scored a try after
two minutes?

Speaker 16 (01:28:42):
Not great, kind of off the scripts were what we
planned on doing. But yeah, Nate callback and to stay
in the game after Yeah, he's been down early like that.
The South Canterrea a team once they get a best
of steam up, very hard to stay with. So yeah,
the boys showed a lot of ticker.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
And I'm looking at the yeah, I'm looking at the
at the scoring action. And you were sixteen six down
going into the final ten minutes because you were so
close and hadn't let them get away. Did you feel
as though you had to come back in.

Speaker 16 (01:29:15):
You yep, Yeah, absolutely. We talked about it all week
about it being, you know, been an eighty minute game
and probably going to take longer than that. Text you
to want it, to get it, to get it done,
I spose, But yeah, we felt that the longer we
stayed with them, you know, the better we were going
to go. And yeah, we got a huge impact.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
Off our beach.

Speaker 16 (01:29:35):
So I can't speak highly enough of what the men
that came off the beach, what they did for us.
So yeah, we won in that last ten or fifteen
minutes on the back of what they did for us.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Let's go through the last eight minutes, shall we a
penalty which brought you back to sixteen to nine, then
a try in the seventy fourth to make it sixteen fourteen,
but a missed conversion. Tell us about that try? Was
the conversion handy? Was it out wide? What was the
story there?

Speaker 16 (01:29:58):
Yeah, it was a try in the corner. We'd finally
held onto the ball and built some phases which we
had struggled to do for the first sixty five sea
of your minute, built from phases, got down their end
and we were chipping away around the fringes and then
a great path from the base of the up from
our half that Kieran mcclator, a big Fiji and winger
right to bvus racouter and he dotted it down in

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the corner. So it wasn't an easy kick straight into
the guts and eastily coming off the coast too, So yeah,
it was never going to be an easy kick. But yeah,
againing this back and within range was pretty crucial obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Indeed, so sixteen fourteen, you get to eighty minutes, presumably
the hooter goes then what because by the looks of
this you didn't land the winning penalty into about four
or five minutes in, so tell us about the action
after the hood.

Speaker 16 (01:30:45):
Yeah, so same again, really mate. We just started held
onto the ball, went a few phases, got turned over
well or twice, and they thankfully kicked it back to us,
so we managed to work our way back up the field. Yeah,
retaining position kept them under pressure. They gave us a
couple of penalties. They gave us one which was about
fifty out. Thankfully it wasn't about five meters closer, otherwise

(01:31:08):
he might have lined it up and it would have
been a bit touch and go with that win. But yeah,
it was about fifty out, so kicked it to the corner.
Went a couple more phases off the line out, were
lining up with a drop goal, and then they stripped
it off reserve hooker and as they stripped it that

(01:31:28):
knocked it on into someone in front of them, so
they're actually offside, which they weren't all that happy about
with at the time, but just watching it back now.

Speaker 9 (01:31:34):
This morning, it was it was the right call from
the referee.

Speaker 16 (01:31:37):
So yeah, right in front of the sticks on the
eighty fourth minute, eighty fifth minute, I think, and tom
Reki stepped up with ice in his veins and put
it through the sticks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
It was pretty handy. I've seen some footage of but
I guess it's never secure until it goes through. But
it sails through. The whistle goes. What are your emotions?

Speaker 16 (01:31:56):
But yeah, I don't know if there's a few videos
going around on my emotions starving to keep them in
the best of times, but I certainly couldn't just then,
So ye elation, make ye absolutely over the moment. It's
very difficult to put in the words, and even now
just talking about it today, it's you still had to
put them into words, really how it feels.

Speaker 25 (01:32:15):
But that very cool.

Speaker 16 (01:32:16):
We've got to We enjoyed last night, celebrated last night,
and you know we've got a job to do this week,
to go up to teams and put one on them too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I know hindsight it's a wonderful thing. But going in,
did you feel like it could be your day? I mean,
that's a long winning streak, isn't it, thirty nine straight wins?
Did you feel though that that might be your day? Yesterday?

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:32:36):
Always mate, always, Yeah, pretty confident or incredibly confident in
a group of men. We've got the pretty special bunch,
so we always thought we could do it, but like
you said, it was incredibly tough like that. Yeah, they're
a press aside and to do what they've done, I
don't think anyone will have a thirty nine games in
a row again, so yeah, to be the ones to
do it's pretty special. But yeah, we always felt we

(01:32:58):
were a chance, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
And it's a pretty pretty short hop down the road.
Isn't this all just straight line from Ashburton to to
morows it? Do you have any fans come down with you?

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:33:07):
We did. We Yeah, we had an awesome turnout with
Lott ofman Kennery Jews in the crowd and do a
lot of support there.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
So yeah, we're very grateful for that.

Speaker 8 (01:33:14):
It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
So your last one the Meets Cup mad Canibury, that
is in twenty fourteen. You'll face Teams Valley in the
final next weekend. Have you have you started to refocus
on that?

Speaker 7 (01:33:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:33:25):
Yeah, no, watch a little bit of teams value already today,
thankfully with the scouting that we've done on some other
teams that don't play teams value already. So he had
a bit of a look at them anyway. No, a
good side. They're definitely a good side.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:33:37):
That pretty impressive. So it's not going to be easy,
especially going up there, but yeah, very much looking forward
to the opportunity, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
How was your phone afterwards to a blow up?

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
I did?

Speaker 16 (01:33:48):
Yeah, people that don't even like me will need to
do me. So yeah, there's quite a few of them,
so that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:33:56):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
I love that. You probably had mad Monday fist of it.
He's playing for tomorrow. Did you're gonna have to put
them on old for a week?

Speaker 13 (01:34:02):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:34:03):
No, no, no, man, Monday definitely not. We we didn't
put that off till next week, so that I'll probably
take Monday off work though, just to watch teams valley footage,
So I'll put my leave in shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Brilliant. I mean, what, this is your first season in charge,
isn't it correct?

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
So, I mean at the start of the year you
al wall say you want to win it, right, at
what point did you start to think to yourself, actually,
we've got a you know, we've got a pretty good
team here.

Speaker 16 (01:34:26):
I reckon our first preseason game against South in Development
was pretty special. We were really light on numbers.

Speaker 9 (01:34:34):
Everyone was sorry.

Speaker 16 (01:34:37):
I had a pretty long rugby season, so we we
went went in there under strength and they probably took
us for granted a little bit, but we managed to
hold on to a pretty impressive winn a Eastend, which
we hadn't done for quite a few years. So I
think that was a pretty good indicator early on that
said that we had something pretty special all right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Well, one to go the final of the Meets Cup
next weekend. Look forward to seeing how that goes. But
congratulations on a historic victory yesterday. It must have been
a wonderful bus ride home, mate, Thanks for taking the
time for a chat. No iris, thank you very much,
thanks Matt. Matt went to their head coach of Mid
Canterbury after they went over South Canterbury yesterday in Timoru
seventeen points to sixteen. At the same time, Thames Valley

(01:35:17):
went to Fonganui and beat them thirty eight fifteen. So
the two away teams victorious and the Meads Cup semi
finals yesterday. Thames Valley will host Mid Canterbury in the
Meads Cup final next Saturday. In the Lahure Cup, these
score lines King Country beat East Coast thirty four to

(01:35:37):
thirty one. I guess that's not entirely unusual. But in
Leavin yesterday, hot Off a New a Carpitty fifty one
West Coast fifty two.

Speaker 28 (01:35:50):
Fifty to two.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Fifty one West Coast beat hot Off a New a
Carpety yesterday. So they will play King Country in the
final of the Lahore Cup, likely next weekend as well.
Date still to be confirmed. In fact, so was the
Meads Cup. I think both games will be next weekend
on one or other of the two days. But yeah,
Provincial rugby going through Pining.

Speaker 29 (01:36:13):
I believe that fifty one is that the highest ever
losing score in Heartland rugby, well have to be Provincial
rugby possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Magine getting fifty one points in losing.

Speaker 29 (01:36:23):
I think it is because I think a few weeks
ago actually there were two two games which was sixty
points to forty five and then a sixty two to
forty five in the same week, and I think forty
five equalled the highest ever losing total. So they they
really champion attacking rugby in the Heartland game, don't they?

Speaker 16 (01:36:44):
They do?

Speaker 30 (01:36:45):
They do well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
I'm just looking at the scoring in that game and
it was fifty two West Coast where he head sorry
forty twenty seven at half time. So they had a
good lead at half time and got forty points in
the first forty minutes, but then hol of a Company
came back and hor of New Company led fifty one
forty seven when the hooter went but a late late

(01:37:07):
try from West Coast fifty two to fifty one. Good
game for the neutral Andy, oh, big time. Absolutely.

Speaker 29 (01:37:13):
I would have loved to be at that one, but
I think all of I think there was only one
favorite that one, Heartland the Heartland semi finals as well
yesterday which was King Country, so you know it can go.
We sort of talked about Heartland being everyone plays in
South Canterbury wins, but it's wide open now, which is
great to see him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Provincial rugby.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
I love it and yeah, you're right, and we played
and in case you missed it, the upset win, I
guess you'd say by table position anyway of what cuftal
betting Taranaki, Canterbury have just gone twelve mill ahead of
Tasman and that would be an upset given their table position.
Tasman third, Canterbury sixth, only fourteen minutes gone, but yeah,
the jeopardy and the uncertainty continues. In Provincial Rugby two

(01:37:59):
twenty one, it is from Bathurst. Brodieksteki still leads through
twenty two of one hundred and sixty one laps brought
Fenny's second, Richie Staneways dropped down to fifth, Matt Payne
tenth and Andre Holmgartner thirteenth. At the moment when we
come back, we're going to flick our attention across to football.
One week to go until the New A League's season
gets underway. Six days until Auckland FC play their very

(01:38:23):
first game off professional football. Their coach Steve Coricker and
Phoenix coach Jihan Calo Italiano to come on Weekend Sport one, Couch.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Cold and n Gage Weekend Sports with Jason Fame and GJ.
Gunner homes New Zealand's first trusted Omilder News Talks Abailey.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
News Talks B two twenty four. One week to go
until the New A League Men's season is underway. One
week until the competition's newest club, Auckland FC, make their debut.
In fact, it's only six days Saturday. They take on
Brisbane Raw at go Media Mount Smart Stadium five o'clock kickoff.
Head coach of Auckland FC is Steve Coricker, who joins
US now. Steve six days out from the start of

(01:39:03):
the season, would you say you're where you wanted to be.

Speaker 21 (01:39:10):
I think when you start a new club it takes
a lot of time. Obviously, players, to bring in staff,
just everything. It takes a lot of time. We finally
got all our players in so a little bit later
than we expected, especially with the foreign players. We had
a few come in about three weeks ago and one
just arrived this week, so you know, I'd like them

(01:39:34):
to have a little bit more time with the boys.
But all in all, I think it's been a very
good preseason for us and the boys. Have you really
taken on board what we're trying to do and really
improved as the season as the pre season went along.

Speaker 28 (01:39:47):
So we're happy where we are at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
What have been the biggest challenges over the last few
months as you've basically built a squad from scratch.

Speaker 21 (01:39:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's been It's been a real challenge, but
a really exciting one. This was part of the reason
why I wanted to come here, to be involved in
something new and fresh for me obviously being at one
club for nineteen years, and to do it with obviously
Terram at Flynn and obviously Nick Becker. You know, we
started the three of us started very similar as times.

(01:40:18):
And you know we've put together twenty six players, fourteen staff,
fifteen fourteen or fifteen staff and obviously now in Knicks
team as well in the office staff, there's been twenty
twenty staff members so all in what eight nine months really,
so I think we've done really well to get to
where we are. Obviously, now is the time that for

(01:40:39):
the football side of things is where we where we
start and you know, we want to obviously get off
to a good start against Brisbane and get three points
and there's a lot of talk that it might be
sold out the stadium, which is.

Speaker 27 (01:40:50):
Obviously fantastic for our first game and.

Speaker 28 (01:40:53):
It just shows the support that you know, we will
have here if we do really well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
By my account, Steve, eighteen of your twenty six kiwis
how intentional was that?

Speaker 27 (01:41:05):
Yeah, well that is a bit of a brief from
the owner as well.

Speaker 21 (01:41:08):
He wanted as many key players as possible, you know,
he wants to give them opportunities you know, and I
think with the wider group that that he does own
other football clubs, he wants to give them opportunities obviously
to do well here in Auckland and then if they
are really good, well then they can move to to
another club that you know that he owns. That's you know,

(01:41:30):
that's he wants to. He loves New Zealand, He's spoken
about it before. He has obviously restaurants and bars here
and wineries and you know, he really likes it here.
So he wants to give opportunities for young Kiwi players
to come through.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
You've watched a bit of our national league, quite a
bit of national league to bring some players on board,
be it full time or scholarship players. When you're watching
New Zealand's National League for players you might recruit, what
are you specifically looking for to give you comfort that
they can make the step up to a league?

Speaker 21 (01:42:00):
Well, I think, you know, we sort of look at
the positions that we were looking for at the time,
and you know, in the position is obviously a certain
criteria that we are looking for. You know, as a winger,
we want them to be able to dribble, We want
them to be able to score goals. We want them
to create opportunities to be able to.

Speaker 27 (01:42:19):
Cross the ball. So there's all different things for different positions.
I was quite surprised actually because obviously.

Speaker 21 (01:42:26):
Coming here, I didn't know too much about the well,
the Northern League which we we got most of our players.

Speaker 27 (01:42:33):
From, and then obviously they've gone into the National League.

Speaker 21 (01:42:35):
Now I was surprised with the standard and some really
good talented young players I think you're going to see
come through that and into our squad and I think,
you know, we've we've got quite a number of players
that haven't played in the A League before and they've
come from obviously the Northern League, and I'm excited to
see what they're going to do.

Speaker 28 (01:42:57):
Give it the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Well that's your New Zealanders, and of course you've got
a sprinkling of Australians as well. But what about the imports, Steve,
you must have literally one hundred of players pitched to you.
How do you narrow that list down and then make
your recruitment decisions about your imports?

Speaker 9 (01:43:13):
Yeah, you know they come from everywhere.

Speaker 28 (01:43:15):
Agents, you know, send a lot of players. We just
got to filter through. Obviously we have a criteria that
we look for it as well. You know it does
cause he's ahead of recruiting as well.

Speaker 21 (01:43:29):
We have platforms that we work through as well that
we get players sent through, and you know, it's just
a process and that's that's why it's probably taken a
little bit longer than expected. But you know, when when
you're dealing with twenty six players, you know you expect that.
But the foreigners normally come later than everyone else. But
for me, they probably come. You know, it's taken us

(01:43:50):
a little bit more time to get them once. Let's
let's say that with visas and all that kind of
stuff as well. You know we need visas from Australia
and New Zealand, not just from one country.

Speaker 27 (01:43:59):
So it takes time.

Speaker 21 (01:44:01):
But we're pleased with the foreigners that we have, and
you know, the ones that have been playing, you can
see them.

Speaker 28 (01:44:08):
Obviously they weren't fit when they got here.

Speaker 21 (01:44:10):
They've been here three weeks and you know they're starting
to step it up now, which is which is great.

Speaker 27 (01:44:14):
Ready for the ready for the start of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
What have you looked to try to achieve in your
preseason matches.

Speaker 21 (01:44:21):
Well, we wanted to obviously play against A League teams
which you know, we had to go to Australia for that,
which was fantastic for us to have of the opportunity
to go to Sydney. We played against I think it
was three teams in Sydney. That was our first taste
of a league and then obviously we went to Melbourne.

(01:44:41):
We played against belburd City, Wes the Annoyed. So we've
see now you know, five teams of the A League
where we had to improve and where we were and
at that stage where we didn't have any of the.

Speaker 28 (01:44:54):
Foreigners, so we competed really well. I think, you know,
the boys should be happy where we are at the moment.

Speaker 27 (01:45:01):
You know, we played Malaysia, that.

Speaker 21 (01:45:04):
Asian national team yesterday and really had a fantastic performance.
So you know, we're building, we're getting better, which we
as we expect from a new team. We expect to
get better each game and improve as the season goes along.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Have you decided on your captain?

Speaker 28 (01:45:23):
I have, yes, It'll be.

Speaker 21 (01:45:24):
Probably named next week, so the start of the season
we'll announce that. As a club as we you know,
obviously get closer to.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
The season, look forward to that and a lot of
talk about the Kiwi Darby. Steve, I'm sure you've picked
up on this, but have you also got a bit
of an eye on round two when Sydney FC, the
club you spent all that time at as a player
and a coach, when they come to Aortland there's like
a mini Darby for you.

Speaker 21 (01:45:49):
Yeah, it will be but and obviously the well Inter
game is going to be something special as well. But
to be honest with you, I think my focus is
on one game, the Brisbane game only, and you know
we've got a bit of work to do.

Speaker 27 (01:46:02):
This week on Brisbane.

Speaker 21 (01:46:04):
You know they're a good young team and they have
a lot of pace as well, so you know we
will work only on Brisbane. And then obviously myself I
have in the back of my head obviously Sydney and
well Eaton and what we need to get ready for them,
But right now it's mainly the Brisbane game.

Speaker 13 (01:46:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Well, I'm hearing the same things you are about next Saturday, Steve.
A sellout and coming at Mount Smart sounds like semi
and wonderful occasion. Thanks for taking the time this afternoon,
all the beast as you put your final touches of
preparation on your team.

Speaker 27 (01:46:32):
Thanks very much, Jason cheers, No, thank you, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Steve Kriker. They're head coach of Auckland FCS, so yeah,
they're obviously well on track. Be interesting to see who
their captain is. I get the feeling it could be
Hiroki Sakai. They're highly experienced Japanese defender. I don't know
anything more than I'm just having a guess. There are
a couple of other candidates, but I wonder whether he
might get the armband. I guess we'll find out in

(01:46:55):
due course. Jiankloa Teliano, Phoenix head coach. In just a moment,
Canterbury are nineteen mill ahead of Tasman after twenty five
minutes in Blenham. They've scored three unanswered tries. Corey Callo,
Mitch Drummond and Brandon in Or have all dotted down
twenty five minutes gone. Canterbury nineteen knill ahead of Tasman.

(01:47:16):
Bay of Plenty will be enjoying that. If Canterbury win,
Bay of Plenty will host Canterbury in the semi final.
If it's Tasman who can turn this deficit around and
win the game, then it'll be Tasman who hosts Bay
of plenty the Steamers, No, they're there. They'll be cheering
on the Red and Blacks, no doubt, so that they
can host a semi next weekend twenty seven to three
when we come back it as gian Carlalo Italiano, head

(01:47:38):
coach of the Wellington Phoenix.

Speaker 28 (01:47:41):
You be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
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Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
B two thirty six on News Talk said be talking
a league football. Wellington Phoenix have their first game a
week today Sky Stadium and Wellington. They take on Western
United with a four o'clock kick off off the back
of their best ever season last season under head coach
Jim Caloertaliana. I caught up with him on Friday and

(01:48:12):
asked how he would compare how he's feeling now compared
to how he felt a week out from last season.

Speaker 7 (01:48:19):
Quite different.

Speaker 14 (01:48:21):
I would say that last season, you know, there was
a lot of question marks in terms of me being
a head coach, what direction I was taking the club.
I think where we're at this season now is where
the direction is quite clear, and the uncertainty about myself,
you know, I don't think exists. I think it's more
about now dealing with expectations for built on what happened

(01:48:46):
last season.

Speaker 7 (01:48:47):
That's been very difficult.

Speaker 8 (01:48:48):
And I think.

Speaker 7 (01:48:50):
As well, we've had the very sort of.

Speaker 14 (01:48:56):
Unstructured sort of I wouldn't say chaotic, but close to
it sort of pre season because of all the international
breaks and the players coming back into the environment and
just you know, signing a bunch of new players as well,
getting them integrated into the way we want to play
and building team chemistry.

Speaker 7 (01:49:13):
So from that point it's been difficult.

Speaker 14 (01:49:15):
But you know, we've had three games against now A
League opponents have been quite promising.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
How have you negotiated that uncertainty you call it chaos,
but that unstructured build up, how have you managed to
negotiate that to the best your ability and get your
team ready for week one?

Speaker 7 (01:49:33):
Yeah, it's been a fine balancing act. Like the thing
for me is.

Speaker 14 (01:49:38):
The most important thing is the player welfare. And once
we finished the season, I felt it was a really
good time for a lot of those boys to actually
take some time off Unfortunately, they had the Oversea Nations
Cup and we're away in camp for about a month
and I had to make a conscious effort or sorry,
conscious decision once they finish what I was going to

(01:50:00):
do with them in terms of like we are we
going to prioritize the Australia Cup and what the actual
preseason looked like. So I made a decision and that
they merit it to have some time off, which I
think is very very important, and so we made a
decision to rest those senior boys for longer periods. Then
we also had the Olympics and the Under twenties qualifiers

(01:50:20):
are kind of also jolted the ability of those younger
boys that be available for the Australia Cup game. So
it was a fine balancing act. It was more about
getting the right cohesion. But to be fair, I would
say that the young boys, especially in the Australia Cup,
it was a very young team that went out there.
We had even though like Marco, when Cossa came off

(01:50:41):
the bench, I was actually quite pleased because we had
I think essentially one session with all the boys available.
But we had a large chunk of those young boys
in pre season and they were pretty good, I thought,
you know, for a large part, you know, southmol we
were in there in the end part of their season
and you know that was our first hit out. We
didn't even have a friendly game to be fair between

(01:51:02):
old groups.

Speaker 7 (01:51:03):
But I was very happy. And again, you know, like
even though.

Speaker 14 (01:51:08):
We look at them as problems, or we could view
them as problems, they are actually opportunity for us to
refocus on what processes we put in for training and
so on.

Speaker 7 (01:51:16):
So it's been, it's been, it's been good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
On the flip side, how different will the playing style
of Wellington Phoenix be this season compared to last season?
What is the evolution of the side into season two
under your guidance?

Speaker 7 (01:51:31):
Look until you see it's it's you know, these are
just words.

Speaker 14 (01:51:37):
But when I took over the team last year, I
knew the capability of the existing players and I basically
evolved the plague system to best suit the playing attributes
of those players. So you know, obviously, when Oz got injured,
you know, I readapted to a different sort of style.

(01:51:58):
And then when I had Baldy Costa and Oldie or
Crative up top, you know, I worked to what their
main you know what the skill set like, for example,
speed coming off the line, you know, playing with their
back to goal. So this season is a little bit
different where we're kind of you know, we've sold some

(01:52:20):
good players, some of those senior players that have left
of someone have given me the opportunity to bring in
players more aligned to the.

Speaker 7 (01:52:26):
Way I like to or the way I like to
see football.

Speaker 14 (01:52:29):
And for me, you know that that's more of the
ball being more dominant with the ball, having control, with
more of the ball in high parts of the pitch,
and probably a little bit cliche, you know, like a
ball orientated team, you know, possession team, so but also
still center around the ideas of control and being very

(01:52:50):
smart in all phases.

Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
So we'll still have that to build on.

Speaker 14 (01:52:54):
But you'll see that, you know, we'll have a different dynamic,
especially in the front third, middle third. Hopefully you see
a bit more pressing actions, so we will be a
little bit high up the park, trying to have windows
where we're trying to regain the bore at a high
intensity for longer period. So everything we've done so far
in the preseasons has been ticking over really nicely. There's

(01:53:16):
been a nice dynamic and feel to the way we're playing.
But like with all things, you know, different mentalities. You're
trying to break old habits, you're trying to break behaviors
that you know, we're instilled in the boys last year
and trying to further develop so or evolve, and it's
it has its challenges.

Speaker 7 (01:53:36):
You know, we've had three games that we haven't scored.

Speaker 14 (01:53:38):
But if I told you we had more opportunities in
those last three games, and we did probably in half
of the season last year, you'd think we're crazy. You know,
it's just a matter of like finding you know, that
last pass or that feel, and yeah, if I had
gone into these games will come out of these games
where we had less chances and we weren't getting to
it we need.

Speaker 7 (01:53:59):
It, I'd be worried right now. But I just for me,
it's like, I think we need one.

Speaker 14 (01:54:03):
Or two games where we take effect and you know,
score a couple of goals and build the confidence of
the boys, and then I think we'll hit the ground running.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Was there any temptation given the fact that last season
was so successful, even though it wasn't exactly the football
that you envisaged that you want to play, was there
any temptation just to lock and load it again and
play the same way.

Speaker 14 (01:54:24):
Yeah, I think the problem when like if you take
a step back and you see the you look at
the legacy team. So I'll call legacy teams teams like
especially in football, like a Barcelona twenty ten. You know
that we had three years under Pep where even though

(01:54:45):
they started with a certain style, they evolved every year.
And then when Pep went to Bayern Munich, he changed
his style because he was suited more towards the German game,
more about you know, curbing the counter attack.

Speaker 7 (01:54:57):
And then when he went to the EPIL, you change
as well.

Speaker 14 (01:54:59):
He had inverted full backs, he had you know, sixer
stepping ins tens, and he completely different dynamic. And that's
the running theme like with any team that you see,
even Fergie when it was at United, even though he
had an idea of how we played structurally and tactically,
it always evolved, you know, different, different nuanced things that
always changed. I think, you know, we're no different. So

(01:55:21):
if I was to think that, you know, we're going
to play the same way and get the same results,
I think it's pretty naive of my part. And also
like to think that I have more ideas and things
that I want to you know, I want to see
my teams and more importantly, I think one big thing
that I want fans seeing this shoes when when they
watch us player there's a nice energy to the way
we play and and anyone that watches us gets that

(01:55:45):
same feeling of you know, like contentment and seeing us
trying to play and be positive and even if we
lose a game, you know that, you know, we're brave
in what we do. And but there's you know, there's
a lot of good forward intent, a lot of positivity
and I think you know that's something that you evolve to.

Speaker 7 (01:56:01):
You don't. You can't ask for it overnight.

Speaker 14 (01:56:04):
Even when Angels at Brisbane, you know, like him, I
think half a season he cleared out the players that
you know needed to and he still struggled for results,
but the intent was there and then the year after,
you know, it kind of all came together. So again
we have the advantage that we've had a really successful
season last year.

Speaker 7 (01:56:22):
But again last year, last year, that's done. Now we
just need to build on all the good things that
we did.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Marco rohas has arrived at the club, I think it's
at least the first game, maybe the second with a
stress fracture, hopefully back soon. You mentioned in the press
release about Stephan Kolokovski how integral Marco roehas was going
to be to your side. What will his involvement within
your system look like Marco?

Speaker 14 (01:56:48):
Yeah, so with Marco in the squad he has, the
thing is is that we actually had to change just
set up in order to cater for Marco's absence, So
he has a bit of a creative role in behind
Costa and also there's another player that would be on

(01:57:10):
the other side, but with the freedom as well that
he can play wide, he can come down lower, and
you know, there's also an emphasis on those other supporting
players that once he vacates a certain area, another player
will step in. So yeah, it's he's very important. I think,

(01:57:30):
you know, we spent most of the season or the
preseason trying to build on his abilities, and he actually
had a really nice chemistry recost on and there was
something that we've been trying to you know, like flourish
and encourage, but unfortunately, you know, whether it be down
a scheduling and availability, it's been difficult to put those
two together on the park, I think they've played. I

(01:57:52):
think they've played forty five minutes together so far in
a whole preseason, which has been disappointing. But again, once
you know Marco is fully fit and we can reintegrate him,
it's about also building his minutes in this early part
of the season. I think once you know, we can
get him close around sixty seventy minutes of just you know,

(01:58:13):
vigorous football. I think those two together plus all the
other boys will have a nice chemistry.

Speaker 7 (01:58:18):
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
In your two new Japanese players, So Dicky is Sugar
and Kazuki Nagasawa tell us about how they've fitted in
and what we can hope to see from them this season.

Speaker 7 (01:58:30):
So I was lucky enough.

Speaker 14 (01:58:31):
I've known I've watched Shigi play for a long time,
and I was lucky enough to you know, I made
contact with his agent and were able to make the deal.
Kazuki I knew from his days actually playing in Germany
because I used to follow the Bundesliga quite a bit,
so I had familiararity with those two players. So when

(01:58:54):
the opportunity came for them to come across, I was
actually quite excited and sorry, But the question was how
they're integrated.

Speaker 13 (01:59:02):
I think.

Speaker 14 (01:59:04):
That so far they both done very well in the environment.
I think obviously, you know, for me, language is a
huge is a huge barrier. Kazuki, you know, He's English
is pretty good. Sigis is getting better. He's starting to
understand my bad jokes, which is which is a good,

(01:59:26):
which is a good.

Speaker 7 (01:59:28):
It's a good start. But I think that.

Speaker 14 (01:59:34):
What's been promising is SIGI's first game against Newcastle, probably
about half an hour, found it very hard to get
in the game, get touches. And then the second game
against Wanderers he had a little bit more time, started
getting into the into the play. It's still a little
bit clunky, and then this last game against Mariners he
basically grew in confidence and got a lot more touches

(01:59:57):
and you could see like him, Costa and Bali and
I'm just trying to think of the young boys who
played Oscar Van hadn't started to build a bit of
a dynamic, and with Redtrey as well, so they're slowly
coming along, you know.

Speaker 7 (02:00:14):
Kazuki as well. Like Kazuki was lucky.

Speaker 14 (02:00:16):
Enough that he's been playing regular minutes at Velgeta previously,
but he had a bit of time off and he
know deloaded and now it's just trying to build ninety
minutes again.

Speaker 7 (02:00:26):
But you can tell he's got a lot of class.

Speaker 14 (02:00:27):
You know, There's there's just something about both of those
players playing under pressure technically that it's really nice to watch.
And I think for me, it's just putting him in
those positions where they can absorb that pressure and that
will give us a different dimension as the season progresses,
all just to finish.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Do you feel ready?

Speaker 20 (02:00:47):
Well?

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
What is your sense of how ready this team is
to play well, maybe not perfectly immediately, but to play
well from the start.

Speaker 7 (02:01:01):
Do I feel ready? I don't think I ever feel ready.

Speaker 14 (02:01:04):
Even last year I didn't think, you know, when we
went into the season it was more about building. Last
year was more about building belief in the group and
churning results and getting to a point where you know
the boys understood the system well and you know we
could build. I think this year is there's a higher
expectation of the playing style and I think where my

(02:01:25):
frustration was sometimes which will further ahead, But given the
circumstances of the preseason, where where just you know we've
had so many obstacles.

Speaker 7 (02:01:35):
I'm actually quite impressed at how far the team's teams come.

Speaker 14 (02:01:42):
I think it will take us about forty six games
roughly before we start hitting our straps.

Speaker 7 (02:01:46):
And what I mean by that is building continuity, building.

Speaker 14 (02:01:50):
Dynamic and starting players, and also having that competition, the
intensity of competition, plus to travel.

Speaker 6 (02:01:55):
And so on.

Speaker 14 (02:01:57):
I think once we're able to get all that and
the boys have a confidence in what we're trying to do,
I think it will come together. So I know it's
a long answer, but in short I would say I'm
not entirely satisfied, but at the same time, given what's happened,

(02:02:17):
I'm happy how things are going.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Good to have an extended chat with John Kloertaliano, coach
of Wellington Phoenix. Their first game a week today Western
United four o'clock Sky Stadium for Auckland FC. It is
this coming Saturday, five o'clock. Go medium out smart against
Brisbane Raw. Nine areway from three just before we go
to the break. Canterbury have monstered Tasman in the first
half in Blenham thirty three points to seven. They lead

(02:02:41):
a bit of work to do for the muck or
in the second half nine to three News Talk Hippi.

Speaker 28 (02:02:46):
When it's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
You made a call on eight ten eighty Weekend Sports
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Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
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Speaker 20 (02:03:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
They're the Hammers, aren't they? They are the Hammers? And
given that, if you're me what the great nineties hits?
It is the great nineties sets. You've finally done something right, Piney.
It's good. It's only taken me until two fifty five
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Hammers getting rid of South Canterbury's long running winning streak
and earning their place in the Meads Cup Final in
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We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow night seven through eight pm. Buffing.

Speaker 28 (02:04:14):
Now, okay, this.

Speaker 5 (02:04:19):
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see me God have was this no height?

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I'm going I'm magic bipe down Alba, stop this with
up the stake back then just help it.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
I'm going out the world from London to have got here.
Have the rest take don't get play. You can't touch this,
you can't touch this.

Speaker 7 (02:05:02):
You can't touch this.

Speaker 5 (02:05:10):
True. TRUSTe.

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