Full Show Podcast: 16 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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What a legend, what a champion, arguably the moments of
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way on weekend Sport today, Round one of Super Rugby
and the books and what a round It was. The
biggest margin across the weekend eleven points. It's No. Thirteen
plus in the opening week of Super Rugby and that
biggest margin was the Chiefs beating the Blues. Who would
have picked that game? And the Chiefs winning is the

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biggest margin from the weekend in the rematch of last
year's final two one point is in the books as well.
I thought that was about as good around as you
could possibly hoped for for an opening round of Super
Rugby and gives me a bit of hope that the
competition might be a bit closer this year. Former All
Black and Sky commentator at Jeff Wilson to join the
program to run the rule over the opening round shortly,

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keen for your thoughts on the opening weekend as well.
After one we delve into the world as sports betting.
Interesting story in the Heralds from a couple of New
Zealand tennis players and the abuse they cop on social
media from betters around the globe, a lot of it
absolutely vile stuff. And this is for players who I
mean this with the greatest of respects of playing some

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of the smaller tennis tournaments around the globe, away from
the spotlight in theory, and they're being slammed with some
shocking stuff online. Has sports betting gone a little bit
too fat? New Zealand tennis player Monique Barry with us
after one Anickxon negotiates this, negotiates a three month ban
Lee run. Ivanovitch will give us his take a bit

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later in the program. We'll take you to the ski
slopes with Alice Robinson state side, ahead of Shane van
Gisbergen's Daytona five hundred debut tomorrow morning as well. James
Andcony will lock in and join us before two as well.
So much sports, so little time. It's bang on ten
after midday, it's weekend sport.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Let's get into it when it's down to the line
and you made a call on eighty Weekend Sport News
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Speaker 3 (03:24):
The Chiefs taking the win last night at Eden Park Fatima.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Now here's some space Mackenzie's flight through. How appropriate Damien
Mackenzie over twenty three fourteen check to come.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
That might be enough for the Chiefs to win. It's
got me full time. That is full time.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Well, a second half statement from the Chiefs. Fourteen six
down at halftime, twenty five fourteen winners, a bomb squad
effort from the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
How good was that bench of the Chiefs. And when
you roll out six all Blacks on sort of limited minutes,
they haven't had much to a preseason. They go and
turn the game around. Damien McKenzie moves into first receiver.
He has a statement performance as well. Joining us to
discuss and reflect the first weekend of Super Rugby, Jeff Wilson,
former All Black and Skysport commentator, joins the program. Jeff,

(04:23):
that was a cracking weekend of Super Rugby to get
things underway.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, outstanding. You know, a great crowdscape, fan engagement. The
quality of rugby was certainly the high level giving It
was week one of what's going to be an incredibly
close competition. As you could see, every team had an
opportunity to go and get a win in the first
weekend and games going right down to the wire. In
terms of a spectacle for the fans, it was a

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perfect start.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Blues and Chiefs last night. Look, I don't think many
would have given the Chiefs much of a chance at
fourteen six down at halftime, but they came back and
gave the defending champions a bit of a bloody nose
in the second half. I know you were sidelined for Sky.
What did you make of that?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Well, this game was about moments, like big games always are,
and conceding that try just before halftime sort of. I
think they didn't do the Chiefs justice because they played really,
really well, had put a lot of pressure on the Blues.
The Blues were hanging on and then that one moment
of desperation from Cortez Ratima when Mark Talia's trying to
score a try, which I think probably may have sealed

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the game if they got behind, but I think it
might have been eleven at that point. It would have
been really hard to see the Chiefs find a way
to back into it. But they hang in there and
then all of a sudden, they came home on the
back of what was an impressive bench. Let's be honest.
I mean there was one hundred and fifty old Caps,
I think all black Caps. I'm talking about here coming
off the bench to put pressure on and they finished

(05:48):
strong and look, the Blues will get better. But for
the Chiefs a small little bit of redemption and what
turned out to be very similar conditions to last year's
Super Rugby Final.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Indeed, it was how key was that bench and you know,
I guess the bomb square that Clad McMillan was able
to roll out and also slide in Damien McKenzie back
into first five later in the game.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, I think the combination of all of those factors,
but bringing on someone like a tip of Ay, you
had such a huge twenty twenty four. He came on
and really brought some energy, some pots and some muscle
in that pack and a semipenny fee. Now, I think
ultimately the platform was laid up front and then the
nice work they were able to do in and around

(06:30):
the backfield. Having in the morning Narahua and then Antony
Leonard Brown. I mean, you're talking about guys who have
been there and done that and understand what it takes
in big moments. Cortez Lantema I thought was very very
good in terms of managing the game. So all of
the experience of last year and then the fact that
Blues just I think themselves just lost their way just
a little bit and then all of a sudden pressure

(06:52):
came on. And I think the Chiefs in some ways
were better prepared for this game. Technically, they got it
perfectly right in terms of their selection with their all blacks,
and they got a great result.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Only round one. But what will that do for both
the Chiefs and the Blues as that approach the rest
of the season confidence wise and game plan wise.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Look, I think for a lot of the teams, for
the teams that came away with the win, it's just
it's the right way to start in terms of feeling
good and feeling comfortable with where you are. And like
the Crusaders, you know the Chiefs will be looking this
is going, yeah, this is a really nice way to
kick that season. But in terms of having to get
better to I suppose nail a few little things like

(07:34):
rotations of players are going to be critical this year.
How you manage those those high workloads for some of
the guys. But I think just feeling comfortable on a
Sunday after the first round is a nice thing to have.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Mawana Pacific lose by one in Perth, late last night,
did we see an artie lift for the Mawana Pacific
A side straight away? Despite that defeat.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I'm not going to lie to you. When my one
I scored their last try, I actually went to bed.
I thought the game was done. I hadn't quite knotted off,
and then my phone starts going and so I watched
the end of it. Look on one of PACIFICA a
little bit like the Highlanders this weekend. They'll be looking
at a missed opportunity where they had the game in
their hands. There's no doubt there was a lift. I

(08:18):
was really impressed with a number of things that they
showed in this game. But they'll be bitterly disappointed. You know,
they had plenty of opportunity in the last seven or
eight minutes of that game to actually to put that
game away, to take it away from the Force. You've
got to give credit to the Force, like very much
like the Waratas, they hang in. They hang in. They
just you know, they knew they had what they had

(08:39):
to do to try and secure him. They got a
remarkable win. But for week for game one, yeah, it
was still it was still a really encouraging more ONEA
Pacific at performance.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
You mentioned the Highlanders as well Friday night. Look, they
showed some grit, but maybe not enough. That was an
end to end game, some promising signs. And this is
a very young Highlanders team. I think Jamie Joseph mentioned
last week the everage age is about twenty two in
the team and the war Tars just seaking in front
of them. What did you make of what the hind
Is rolled out in week one?

Speaker 4 (09:10):
He young across the squad, but in terms of that team,
it was out on the field there was enough there
because they proved it was enough there, and they picked
up a couple of really nice players colored tounguer tails
coming and you know, I think made a you know,
a really positive start of his career down in Daneeda,
and so I as much as that, I think a
lot of those young guys got exposure last year and

(09:32):
they've played more right now. Most of them had full
campaigns at NPC, So I get that. But there's enough there,
There's enough talent there, and they were in this game
a game once again one or two big players and
they win this contest. I thought this was a slow
game to get going. To be honest, I'm not sure
about the Waratar's the use of their new superstar and
Joseph chasing up and unders. Maybe just put the ball

(09:57):
in his hands, because I tell you what, with the
ball in his hands, he's seriously dangerous. But they'll get
better the Waratars, I can see that happening. But for
the Highlanders, like I said, really missed big missed opportunity
because you know, picking up I went away from home.
For the Highlanders, who are you know, are going to
be fighting and scrapping for every point they get that
could have been huge.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
You're an outside bet for more outside back you so
what's your sense of weird his best positions so you
might be in a back line for the war Tars
and the Wallabies.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Look, I really this is one of the things, you know,
I said right from the start with Roger Toolbat the ship,
the place to plan to start would have been at fullback,
because all of a sudden, there's time in space. I
really like his ath lyticism. He's good in the air. Look,
he's you know, he's got to connect to an understanding
of the game of rugbia, you know, And I think
to me, this is the perfect place for him to

(10:46):
start with this group, They've got a good midfield options
for the war Tars. You know, I like this, there's
some versatility in this player. And then all of a sudden,
if you're able to unleash him and get him to
feel really comfortable with the ball in his hands, because
he'll get a lot of touches with a lot more space,
and all of a sudden from the back, you'll start
to see things. Now if you bring him forward. All

(11:08):
good and well, But I look at this and I
start thinking, you know, the versatility he might be able
to show and the threat he might be I sus
with him starting with fifteen on his back?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Did you walksome with us? On news talk zib. Let's
go back to the first game of the weekend Crusaders
Hurricanes on Friday night and the Crusaders start with a
wind come from behind, similar to the way the Chiefs
did it at Eden Park after the horror year last year.
For the Crusaders, they start with the win. This was
an absolute cracker of a match to get things started
in Super Rugby GEFT.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I do think that Scott Barrett's one of those unlucky
players ever though to be on the back end of
the fourth penalty in the first three minutes they get
a yellow car, I mean, and I wonder whether or
not then getting down fourteen mil changed the whole mindset
of them for the rest of the game. Inter just
how they played. And you know, I thought what we
saw from them was actually a really strong performance where

(12:01):
memories and those things of last year because quite easily
have come forward quickly. They just went about. They worked
some still there I saw some really nice things and
in the impact they got off the m James O
kinda did a really nice job after Taha Catama was.
I think that did a really good job for the
holding the foot. But you're almost got the felt that

(12:21):
David Harveli was running the show for the Crusaders. You
really did, so. I think you look at his connection
with Wilhoodham with something pretty special Week one. A lot
of them, a lot of their season will come down
to health like it is for a lot of teams
they've banged up.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
But this was this was an.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Impressive performance, you know. And the Hurricanes, look, they've got
a couple of young guys and key positions, which to
be honest with that, I liked what I saw. They're
only going to get you know, they're only going to
get better out of time.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
It was certainly a high scoring round of Super rugby.
The game last night forty five forty four, the one
in fig as well, and a couple of others were
very very high scoring Friday night that the Warror Tize
game off. That's the benchmark. We're in for a lot
of tries and a fun season.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Jeff February it's smarts and in April and then we'll
get into what we'll get into the May jor and
in July and then all of a sudden, even Eden
Park last night. What is it about Eden Park all?
I have to think that it can help it rain.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I don't think it was in the forehoust.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
We haven't seen weighing for two weeks, and then somehow
it's six thirty five twenty five minutes and we'll pick
on it. All of a sudden, Oh, there's a shower
brilliant and we're not doing a shower back it's down.
I think we'll see this probably the next six weeks.
You know, this is the good time of the year.
You're playing on top of the ground and things always
change when the conditions change, and you know, you get

(13:42):
close to the playoffs, but ultimately this is a really
good starter. I'll commend Super Rugby. They've come in with
a mindset. When I say Super Rugby, I'm talking about
the organization that's running at going. We want the game
to be faster, we want, you know, the tempo to
be quicker, we want less stoppages. They're working on a whole.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Lot of things, but I think the intent is there.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
We got that. So when you get fatigue, you get
points because you get guys missing tackles and falling off.
And I think ultimately the package that we saw over
the weekend, we saw some fantastic tries and if every
one action, they certainly got it.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
You listed your top six on the breakdown last Sunday night.
Is anything from the opening around? I know it's early,
Has anything changed your mind and that six is yet?

Speaker 8 (14:23):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Look, look there's a whole lot of tongue in cheek
and a lot of things that you do. You know,
all I know is that I think five and six
are going to be a revolving door in regards to
you know, who's going to be and who's going to
be out. There's going to be a lot of results
that the will swing. Who are going for those pivotal
two spots. I think I think the top four at
some point will probably clear out. Haven't seen the regis

(14:44):
yet of course, looking forward to seeing what they bring.
But there was a big win for the Brumbies going
and beating the drawer away. You know, you do those
sorts of things, you know, all of a sudden, like
say the Chiefs, then the Blues are going to get better.
This is going to be tough, you know, trying to
make predictions before the season earlier as hard, right, You've
got to come up with it. And of course I
was going to be loyal to my team down south.

(15:06):
I think they know what the challenge is in front
of them for the Highlanders, but they showed that they're
going to be competitive. As you bring it every week
under Jamie Joseph, you can stay in the fight. You
do that, you never know.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Fascinating opening round of Super Rugby. Jeff Fawkes and thanks
so much of your time with us on Newstalk ZB
on weekends.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Sport Appreciate it always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Jeff Fwalks and joining us on the program. Keen Fils
view Your view is now on the opening weekends of
Super Rugby. I heard jeffs I thought it was an
outstanding weekend of Super rugby. So often there's a lot
of rust hanging around in Super rugby. You don't see
the best of the team if you don't see the
best players. As far as opening weekends go, I thought
that was pretty good from Super rugby, and the benchmark

(15:47):
has been said early a lot of close games. I
guess one, as I mentioned at the top eleven points,
that was the Chiefs beating the Blues last night and
that was by all pre match predictions and upset. Did
that Super round? Super Rugby round? Peauk your interest and

(16:08):
what's your assessment of the early quality in this competition?
Have you changed your mind on the basis of one
round about where this competition might go. I was expecting
it more even competition this year with the Rebels gone,
but certainly on the basis of that first round, no
game was a dud, no blowouts, which have so often

(16:32):
been the case in Super Rugby. Have they finally found
the magic formula for this competition or on the basis
of five games that we've seen over the last couple
of nights, a bit too early to say, oh eight
hundred eighty eighteen eighty nine, two ninety two for a
text message? What did you make of the opening round
of Super Rugby? And has your perceptions of where this

(16:57):
competition might head this season changed? Are these the kind
of games that are going to get you invested in
Super Rugby this season? Because whatever your thoughts on the
way that rugby has been played and officiated in recent times,
I think it's hard to deny that that was a
great round of Super rugby. Who are you around on standouts?

(17:18):
Both the teams and the players. Love to hear from
you this afternoon. Text from muzs no offense to the
Highland is Elliott with a bunch of no names apart
from a couple of players. They could be a dark
horse in this competition if they can stay relatively injury free.
I really like how they're playing, but still a Chiefs fan.
What a game. Thank you very much for the Texas
Afternoon us. You can join us on nine two, nine

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and two this afternoon. Love to hear your views on
the weekend that was in Super Rugby. Let's go to
Bruce afternoon. Bruce, how are you?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Good mate?

Speaker 3 (17:47):
How are you good? Thank you? What did you make
in the first round?

Speaker 9 (17:50):
Oh, fantastic, mate, fantastic, Like you couldn't ask for anything more.
Like the games have been awesome, and like I just
think that this was a continuation from last year, Like
last year's Super Rugby was awesome as well. Yeah, And
I just think that the the narrative needs to change,

(18:13):
Like it seems to be trendy amongst media to put
the boot into Super Rugby, where you know, saying it's
not fit to develop players for international rugby and all that.
Most of it's bees, mate, and like it is good rugby,
hard rugby, and and like it's a it's a good

(18:35):
you know, like it's a developing competition that's sort of rebounding.
But the last year was really good and then this
year is just a continuation of that. And so I
just think that, like some of the guys in the
it's driven in the media, they just need to pull
their heads in and actually and see it for what
it is, which is it's a good comp mate. There's

(18:57):
good themes in it, some outstanding players and like you know,
this first round, just so that.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Who stood out for you over the course of the
week with there any surprises fevers.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
Well, I really liked I watched the Highlanders. I mean
I watched most of the games, so I really like
I mean the whole I like the look of the Highlanders,
like some of the They're going to trouble some of
the teams, and I think they're probably their best is
about you know, maybe a year or two ahead. But

(19:29):
you know, they've got some outstanding young players. I don't
know why they didn't start with Cam Miller at first
five because he's a fantastic talent.

Speaker 10 (19:37):
That guy.

Speaker 9 (19:38):
And I really like that young Van Hurley. He's sort
of like the next Daniel mckensey sort of player. So,
and they've got you know, some tough loose Lucy's so yeah.
I like the looks of the Highlanders, but I just
think that, you know, the Australian sides are going to

(20:00):
be a lot tougher and that's born out this week
and the best teams yet to play. I think Reds
are going to be the best side.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yeah they've got talent, haven't they across the board? That team?

Speaker 9 (20:11):
Oh yeah, they've got yeah yeah, and well coached Les
Kiss is a great coach. So yeah, So they're going
to really so the Top Sex is going to be
incredibly competitive. Yeah for this season, you know, I think
we've got a lot to look forward to.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
I agree, Bruce. Thank you very much for your call.
Nice to hear from you this afternoon. Cracking round to
start Super Rugby. It's maybe amazing all those players from
the Rebels that were Super Ugby standard with maybe a
little bit lost and not a great team moved to
other teams. The quality is automatically lifted on the basis
of the opening weekend. Let's go to Harry afternoon. Harry, Yeah,

(20:50):
Jane Elliott good, thank you yourself.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
The Chiefs game was a bloody reserve ad.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
It's good start to the Super Rugby, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
It was outstanding mean, especially coming from fourteen six down
with all the pressure you know last year losing the final.

Speaker 11 (21:04):
There.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
The bench made a big difference, didn't they.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, definitely at.

Speaker 7 (21:08):
Half time because we had a bit of money on
the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
At half time we were even more confident.

Speaker 8 (21:12):
It did ten the way it looked like a half
time as well, Chiefs are all over them.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well, yeah, they didn't play that badly in the first
spell and yeah, I was commentating and said to and
Strawner was longside me in the commentary box that they
probably don't deserve to be well, definitely didn't deserve to
be fourteen six down and McKenzie moving back into ten,
a few changes, bring those all Blacks players on and
you know what, I thought, the Fords absolutely did a
number on the Blues last night.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
Yeah, absolutely, it's a bit we'd both all black teams
were playing fifteen.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yes they were. But I thought mackenzie once he got
it back into ten, looked absolute class for the for
the Chiefs and directed them around really well. So look,
happy night for you, Harry, you one big.

Speaker 12 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, grained on the chief.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well played. Hey, thank you very much. Very nice to
hear from you this afternoon. Oh eight hundred and eighty
teen eighty nine two ninety two. For a text message
this afternoon, Michael says, let's watched a good game Force
for Malwada Pacifica lost by a point. From Michael, that
was a doozy last night. I mean the Malwauna Pacifica
should not have lost that game. From forty four to

(22:18):
thirty one up with four minutes to play. That's a
little frustrating for Mowana because that's a game they should
have banked those points on the road. They come back.
It gonn be a tough old plane right back from
Perth for them. Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty
nine two nine two for a text message afternoon, Ben
House things.

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Amen, listen. I just want to say how good every
single game. Then I'll watched the Druid. I watched winer pacificate.
Like you say, they shouldn't have lost it, But those guys,
those guys have learned a lot from that and it's
a massive step up from you know, where things used
to be. Yeah, you can't put it evening down on

(22:58):
their team to one man, Aredy coming into the squad,
but obviously he has looked at all those other players,
and there's so much other talent in the game. They're
going to be like the Drew last year, you know,
just just just ruining people's days. I can see that coming.
And it's awesome to see competition coming into the the

(23:18):
the competition.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Awesome.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
Awesome to see the Crusaders made through just yeah, yeah,
take take the heads off to the balls.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Really?

Speaker 7 (23:30):
Uh oh me that their new heart pick? Yeah, all bles,
all blecks are looking good for the future. Just awesome
to see men, and yeah, I'm really pleased around to
sit and watch Shortened Street with the missles anymore.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
You've got You've got fourteen weeks of Super Rugby plus
and finals to look forward to, so you have to
get there. What's Shortened Street for a while?

Speaker 7 (23:55):
Empty empty seat to the stadiums though that's not on.
Come on, guys, let's make you know what else you.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Going to do?

Speaker 13 (24:04):
Well?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
The right and hopefully the crowds build because the quality
that we've seen in this opening weekend was so good.
Hopefully translates into crowns from week two onwards. Yes, yes,
good to catch up be and thank you very much
for your call this afternoon. Oh eight hundred eighty eighteen
eighty nine two ninety two for a text message? Was

(24:27):
that what we've been wanting for Super Rugby for a
few years now. They've tinked and tinked and tinkered with it.
Have they finally landed on the formula for this competition?
Eleven teams isn't necessarily the ideal number around buyers and
everything like that, but I stitt here after the opening

(24:48):
weekend and go. I don't think there's any easy beats
this year, which has certainly been the case in recent years.
Now we're gonna have to see how this competition develops
over the next few weeks, and maybe the cream will
rise to the top and someone will go back towards
the bottom, and there will be a team that bears

(25:11):
the brunt of some of those teams, the top teams
and the competition. But on the basis of last couple
of nights, I don't think there's any easy beats. Whereas
you used to be able to draw a circle and go,
it's maybe where the top teams can rest a few
players and they'll still get a win, whether it's more
one a Pacificer, Western Force Melbourne Rebels. Deleting the Rebels

(25:35):
has lifted the standard across the competition. Is it too
early to say? Or is Super Rugby on fire for
twenty twenty five oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine two nine to two for a text message? And
who are your standouts of week one? If you're playing fantasy,

(25:56):
who got the points for you? There's a lot of
very smug people in the news talk ZB officers this
morning that had Damien mckenzy or even use their triple
captain on them and got about three hundred points from
I want to hear your standouts from Super Rugby Week
one on newstalg zib this afternoon. It is coming up
twenty seven away from one.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
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Claden McMillan, coach of the Chiefs triumphant last night at
Eaton Park.

Speaker 14 (26:34):
That's always nice to get a double fished up, you know,
like your preseason, the preseason been really short, condensed, and
everything's had to be sort of accelerated pretty quickly to
try and get people game ready. And because you're got
a high turnover of players and your and your preseason

(26:55):
games trying to get everybody up to speed that you
never really get a true judge where you are at.
So it's pleasing tonight to see that we're tracking in
the right direction. Both teams will have plenty to work on,
but let's start and look forward to the Crusaders at
home next week.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Claden McMillan their coach of the Chiefs after the victory
over the Blues at Eden Park. Text line nine two
ninety two is open O eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty to get your thoughts on week one of Super
Rugby and who are the standouts for you across the
course of the weekend? Interesting text from John. Sorry, but
rugby is such a ballfest as just a ballfest these days?
What other sport in the world has so much referee

(27:35):
influence in constantly giving instruction during the general run of play,
And yet again they tinker with even more rules this season.
If they want to speed up the game, remove the
refs from the game, because over officiaty is killing our
beautiful game. Thank you, John. I'm not sure we could
remove the referees entirely. I think they are trying. I mean,
you look at the Super Rugby. If you've switched off

(27:57):
Super Rugby, John, I'd highly recommend you give it a
crack next week on the basis of what we've seen
in that opening weekend because it was fast, was fast paced,
the referee didn't have too much influence. By and large,
there was on prolonged stoppage in the Blues Chiefs game.
But By and large, Super Rugby has been focused on
getting the game moving and not stopping, and I think

(28:21):
that's for the betterment of the game, the bitterment of
the product. There is still some work to do. I
think Super Rugby has managed to try and find the
balance between needing an official out in the park and
making the right calls in the games. Oh eight hundred

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and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two for a
text message one sees this. We could not understand some
of the referees calls that the Eden Park game. Also,
one line referee was creeping five to fifteen meters to
the Blues disadvantage of many line out positioning. We do
need to have firm, consistent refereeing for all games. Last
night was confusing, thank you. Ian Blues certainly bore the

(29:02):
brunt discipline wise, didn't they have the course of that game.
So it's going to be interesting to see how that develops.
And look, there are different referees in this competition. Damon Murphy.
You know Blues Chiefs game, you maybe usually expect to
see someone like a bet O'Keefe Paul Williams get that
referee game last night they gave it to an Australigan

(29:25):
Nick Berry did the Crusader's Hurricanes game at the weekend.
So the more you learn about some of these referees,
and that's the mac a good point, John. The interpretations
Rugby's game left open to interpretations from officials, and I
just don't know that there are enough quality referees around
the globe to make it the product that the rule

(29:45):
book Saysitors twenty one away from one on news talk
zbat afternoon, fell. Hey, you done.

Speaker 10 (29:53):
About not too bad yourself?

Speaker 15 (29:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Great, thank you.

Speaker 10 (29:58):
I'm sorry to be ignorant, but I got your name right,
didn't I?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Sorry? Elliott Elliott, Oh.

Speaker 10 (30:03):
Elliott, Sorry, sorry, sorry, I thought that quite a bit.
Sorry man.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
What did you make of the weekend of Super Rugby?

Speaker 12 (30:11):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (30:11):
I bloody enjoyed it. I thought it was fantastic. I
I watched the I didn't see all the games, but
I've seen all the results and the ones. The games
that I didn't see sound like they would have been
great games to watch as well, right down to the wire.
But I watched the Crusaders game and that was fantastic.

(30:32):
The career Crusaders and the oh the Hurricanes was the
Hurricanes and I watched the Blues and the Chiefs last
last night as well, and again another fantastic game.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (30:49):
Like you say, it's early to make a decision, but man,
it certainly bodes well that's going to be what it's like.
And I think, like I'll get onto my standout players.
Sometimes I can't remember the names of the players, but
there was an incident you might remember that like that.
I think it was the Chiefs game last night and

(31:11):
the Chiefs and the Blues. Were you talking about how
they're trying to speed the game up, you know, because
they get it more exciting, and I think like one
of the things Jeff Wilson said, which was quite interesting,
was about when players get fatigued, you know, they start
making the mistakes and missing the tackles and tries happen,
and you know, the game and points come along and

(31:32):
helps it to become more exciting. So yeah, you know,
if you can do that by speeding it up sort
of thing. So there was a thing last night, was it.
I think it might be a new rule where I
think the Chiefs one of the guys, either Chiefs or
Blues guy went to put the bull in the scrub
or something but he took too long and it got

(31:52):
turned over.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
It was a lineout. Yes, yeah, it was the Chiefs player.
From memory, I think it was Bradley Slater that he
was on the park at that stage, and or maybe
it was Rocketelli. I'm trying to remember. It was someone
out there will know and remember better than I. But
they talked too long. There was too loud or they
couldn't hear the call coming through, and they went to
try and listen a bit closer, and by the time

(32:13):
they did, they got a short arm penalty against them.

Speaker 10 (32:17):
All right, because is that a new rule? And to
try and speed up the game, like around scrums and things.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, it's about time wasting and you know, getting that
ball and to play quicker and getting the game moving.
You've got a window to do it, and it wasn't
quick enough.

Speaker 10 (32:36):
Yeah. Well no, see, I think that's good. I've got
no problem with that. Again, that's helping to speed up
the game and make it more exciting because you know,
you get so frustrated, especially around scrums when they're reset
in three or four times and you know it's about
five minutes or you know, two or three minutes before
they could get to get the scrum gun and get
the game gun again to stop and start, and you've

(32:57):
got a lot of scrums, you know, yeah, you get frustrated.
So line outs as well, that's good, you know when
they muck around with the line outs and that and
have a huddle, have a huddle and they take their
time to get into the line out sort of things.
So no good stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
But who stood out for you have? Of course the
weak nd philp Yeah.

Speaker 10 (33:14):
I was going to say for a start, well I'll
go Crusaders because I've got a couple, and the Chiefs
as well, but the Crusaders. The players there that stood
out for me was Jordan's having woolf Jordan's back and
really like those two in a combination, they just lifted,

(33:36):
you know, they bring a spark and lifted up the level.
So and the half back is that the Preston was, Yeah,
he was fantastic to what the talent he's going to be,
you know, it was so yeah, I haven't Yeah, and
like I said, bringing that wol Jordan back, I mean,
you know, some players do just change a game or

(33:57):
capable of changing the game.

Speaker 16 (33:58):
You know.

Speaker 10 (33:59):
It's not to say the other players aren't good. Either,
but you know did some players are just a bit
more special. So on the Chiefs game straight away, straight away,
Damien McKenzie, What a game he had when they slotted
him into first Boy was that number?

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (34:17):
When he when they'd done that, and he just started
doing his drinking and enjoying an unpredictable running and creating
gaps and opening up the game and his kicking too,
I think as well. Did he do a twenty fifty Yeah?
One stage, did you the other?

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (34:35):
Oh sorry, you were going to say.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
No, he did a fifty twenty two and he was magnificent,
wasn't he fail? I thought he was absolutely electric in
that performance. When they moved him into from fifteen into ten,
that was I thought the difference maker just provided some direction.
I'm a big Josh Jakin fan. I think he's an
up and comer, but Mackenzie's class and experience just directed
them around the part. Well, niceest catch up with you,

(34:57):
felt think very much. You'll call this afternoon. I one
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two for
the text message. For a text message on the subject
of Damien McKenzie. The media in New Zealand going to
get him behind DMAC this year. He is world class,
just except mu Wonga is not here. Couldn't believe the
negative negativity toward him last year. He was one of
the all Black spats. We certainly started extremely well. Class

(35:19):
performance last night from Damian McKenzie. Roger and Goon says
this alligat. It's fantastic to have the Super Rugby back again,
especially since the Big Bash League in Australia has finished
and New Zealand cricket is invisible. But the Super Competition
needs more teams. I hope they look to introduce three
Japanese teams eventually, Thank you Roger. I think Boden Barrett

(35:42):
put that forward. The idea of having Japan back in
with a number of their top league teams be interesting
to see. Where's the balance. Expansion has burned Super Rugby before.
They've now restricted it back to eleven teams. They're going
to have to be very very careful about how they

(36:03):
expand Super Rugby and do it for the right reasons.
Indeed they do. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two for a text message, Plenty of texts
that I'll get to in a few moments time, We'll
take a break, come back with more here on News Talks.
It's fifteen away from one.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
The big issues on and after fields call Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty with which EJ gun No Homes,
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Speaker 3 (36:29):
Let's get into some texts. On nine two nine to two.
One text message says, Hi, where were the kicking jewels?
Take the Hurricanes cam roy Gard to keep the All
Blacks in it against the Northern Hemisphere with towering pressure kicks.
Kicking jewels are part of rugby football now, but done
to be seen. Please don't say boring. Eg France England
was a tremendous game. I'm scared we don't do them
in New Zealand because it might show up a lack

(36:49):
of skills. There's plenty of kicking, I thought last night
in the Blues Chiefs game it was very short kicking
and that's been a feature of Super Rugby for a
few seasons, as those short contestable kicks. We saw a
number of occasions last night where they went to the
year and made it a few fifty to fifty game.
Not so much the big up and unders kick chasing.

(37:11):
There was one game this weekend where it was the
Gary Owen and the twenty two. I'm trying to which
game mone be the Crusaders Hurricanes game. Baby, You're right,
kicking is a big part of rugby, and the Crusaders
have mentioned in the preseason around some of those changed
rules around the escorting that have come in to world
rugby now as well, and how that changes things. Very

(37:32):
good point. Thank you very much for the text. Peter
says this. We still need and want full round of
home and away because that is the fairest way to
find the best teams. And there's half and half, isn't it, Peter,
You play round one, play everyone once in a few weeks,
of teams twice they do focus on the derby's second
time around. It would elongate the competition somewhat by another

(37:55):
what five or six weeks? Thank you, Peter, Jeffer with
US Blues play a Northern hemssre one dimensional Crusaders rugby.
It will take a few games for the war machine
to rumble up. Early game suit opportunist slight d Mac.
Thank you Jeffer for work the texts Elligant says Alex
It feels like South Africa and Japan have gone and

(38:16):
won't come back, but with the Hawadis be a welcome return.
Feel like Argentina need a professional team, especially if they're
part of SENSA, and would expose New Zealand and Australian
teams to a different style. Interesting point. There was a
bit of talk last year about the Hawardis coming back
into Super Rugby. Seems to have gone a little bit
quiet on that front. Treasure says this, I'm a huge

(38:38):
league fan, but the Crusaders game was the best rugby
or league game I've seen for many years. Hardly any
scrums certainly helped, let's say from Patrick Dewey. But logo
Blues captain on his disappointment on how last night panned
out at Eden Park, Ah, yeah, if you're frustrating.

Speaker 17 (38:57):
Probably Janoick talked about the physicality of the game, but
real I think and then probably just paid a lot
of service to them and wasn't really that genuine. Yeah, Chiefs,
they played the physical game tonight and we don't really
fire back and probably talked about doing something, but I
expected it to happen being out there. Yeah, I think

(39:20):
there's almost like we're standing with a few flurries of
their head and that was probably what it.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Was like Patrick deuy Berloti, Blue's captain. They set the
physicality standard last year though were found out last night.
Big time, big work to do for the Blues up
front ahead of their trip to the Highlanders next weekend
coming up eight to away from one. News Talk z
will come back wrap up the hour after.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
This, analyzing every view from every angle in the s
Morning World Weekend Sport All eighty US Talk.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
ZVVY five away from one on News Talk zib Chris
with this great start to the footy this week in
thrilling stuff. But they have to sort out the head
contact nonsense. Incidental contact is unavoidable in such a dynamic
game played at pace. We all understand player wealthy concerns
and the risks of a hidden head are accepted by everyone.
No one is going out there to deliberately injure another player,

(40:10):
cheers Chris. Yeah, you just don't see the coat hangers,
you don't see that all that stuff. It's incidental head
contact and that's why I think the twenty minute red
card is a big step forward for the game. Northern
Hemisphere might not be sold it, or parts of northern
hemisphere it might not be sold on it. You'd like

(40:31):
to see some common sense used at times when they
say players are upright well and they're making the tackle.
Did they actually have physically have time? Not always? Yes,
the onus is on the tackler, but not always and
there just needs to be perhaps a step backwards to

(40:52):
go well, did he have time to get lower rather
than he should have been lower? Sometimes the carrier of
the ball also a little bit at fault, but they
don't want to say that in rugby too loud. Away
from one on News Talk ZIB after one o'clock, get
back to some of your texts because I'm sure that
James mcconey want to talk a bit of super rugby

(41:13):
later on next our also want to delve into the
world of sports betting. Some players being abused and copying
it on their social media. Has sports betting gone a
little too far? We'll delve into that after one o'clock
here on News Talk as MB.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
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Speaker 10 (41:33):
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Speaker 3 (41:41):
Very good afternoon, Weekend Sports seven after one plenty of
text traffic on Super Rugby last hour nine two nine
two text line remains open. We'll chat a bit of
Super Rugby a wee bit later on in the hour.
I'm sure with James mccony he'll be itching to talk

(42:02):
about the weekends that was in Super Rugby. Still to
come after two o'clock as well, we had the slopes
Alis Robinson, New Zealand alpine skier to join the program,
fresh off at silver medal in the World Championships Giant
slalomen A couple of days ago. Great result for Alice Robinson.
Children the program. After two o'clock. Shane van gisberg And

(42:23):
makes us Daytona five hundred debut around breakfast time, New
Zealand time tomorrow morning. Had one season of the Exfinity,
the second tier NASCAR series, having his first crack at
Daytona five hundred, the super Bowl of NASCAR, which actually
opens the NASCAR season. It's the biggest de meat of

(42:46):
the season. It's the first one on the board. It
is huge, have massive eyballs across the United States and
changed Van van Gisbergen will be on the start line
and were talking about Nate Ryan, NBC motorboat journalist, to
discuss that next hour on the program. Yannick Ciner, as
you heard in the news there with Dean, has managed
to negotiate a three month doping band pulled off quite

(43:10):
the deal. Didn't realize you can negotiate those sort of things.
Apparently you can. What a precedent that has been set.
Leader at A. Vanovitch will join us after two o'clock
to dig into that this hour on the program, though
joining us in a moment or two. Manique Barry here
we tennis player might have seen the story on the
New Zealand Herald a couple of days ago. She revealed,

(43:35):
along with James Watt fell in New Zealand tennis players
some of the abuse that they've copped from social media,
from feaces around the globe that are punting on their
games and then losing money, and some of the abuse
they cop quite vile. Manick Barry is going to join
us in a moment or two and also talk to

(43:56):
the Problem Gambling Foundation as well. Has sports betting just
gone a little bit too far? We'll get some thoughts
on that. Want yours as well, on Super rugby or
any sporting topic. You're like nine two nine two ticks
line will remain open right throughout the show. Nine and
a half after one on News Talk zb this article
written by Bonnie Jansen from the New Zealand Herald, titled

(44:18):
online Abuse Monique Barry, James What revealed threatening messages received
by tennis players and Killey tennis player Manique Barry and
James What detailed the kind of messages that they get
after losing matches on the International Tennis Circuit. Now Barry
is ranked four hundred and eighty in the world. The

(44:40):
messages that have come from people that have gambled on
their singles matches from anywhere around the globe, dear threats,
messages like I'm going to kill you. I hope you
kill yourself, you suck. I will find you, and that's
just the start of it. Monique Barry joins us here

(45:01):
on news Talk ZIB. Monique, thanks for your time with
us this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
No worries.

Speaker 18 (45:05):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Well.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
I read the piece in the Herolds written by Bonnie
Jensen that you contributed to and spoke to about it,
and well, to be honest, I was horrified by some
of the messages that you get as a tennis player
out on circuit from any number of individual people. When
did the start happening? And have you been surprised by

(45:26):
the amount of messages that you've been getting?

Speaker 18 (45:31):
So it all starts when you place some professional tournament,
So I think it would have started when I was
about seventeen eighteen, even just local tournaments that are like
live streamed, which I didn't realize were able to be bad.

Speaker 8 (45:47):
On, but I soon realized that quite quickly.

Speaker 18 (45:52):
And I mean at the start, you're very surprised when
you're getting all these messages and hate messages and how
people are finding you and then want you kind of
learn learn about it it's normal.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Well, how do you brush it off as normal when
I've seen some of the messages and they're fairly explicit
and abusive. Do you how do you brush it off
so easily like you've just done.

Speaker 16 (46:20):
I think it's just.

Speaker 18 (46:21):
When you know that everyone else is getting the same thing,
you know it's it's not.

Speaker 8 (46:26):
Just yourself, and you also know that you know.

Speaker 18 (46:32):
People people have obviously lost a lot of money, and
you know they're not really thinking about how us players
are actually humans sometimes, So I think sometimes you just can't,
you can't retaliate and do anything but feel sorry for
them in a way.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
The messages that you listed in the article are you know,
quite harrowing to sort of receive what what are the
worst stuff without wanting to sort of go back and
tread through it again? But what are the kind of
stuff that you do get from these unnamed trolls?

Speaker 16 (47:07):
Just anything?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Really?

Speaker 18 (47:08):
I mean, you get threats, you get you know, anything
personal about yourself. Sometimes they can get your family involved.
Others are you know, abusing you about your life and
just talking about the whole match. Sometimes it just goes
on and on.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Unfortunately, do you report these messages to Instagram or Facebook
or whatever platform they're coming through.

Speaker 18 (47:37):
If it starts to get a bit too personal where
they start to say, like, you know, I know where
you live or about your family, that's when you actually
report it to the ITF and they start to investigate it.
But if it's just you know, because sometimes you just
get too many, you just either block and report them
on the socials or you just simply ignore it and

(47:59):
delete the messages because sometimes there's just too many.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Does it surprise you that people are gambling on I
guess you're met on the other side of the world,
or that are live streamed and maybe not available to
a huge audience.

Speaker 18 (48:12):
Yes, yeah, it is quite surprising, to be honest, because
sometimes you're in the middle of nowhere and you still
have people betting on you and you're kind of wondering
how they even know about it. But I mean it's
I guess it's just their choice on what they choose.

Speaker 10 (48:26):
To bet on.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
I guess that's pretty widespread. For yourself obviously, you know,
playing it year for Vince and then you know, as
you go up the chain, players you know all around
the world, whether they're Range one and you're ranked in
the four hundred, you know, people across the spectrum of
tennis must be getting, you know, abuse every day. Do
you talk about that as you know of players out

(48:49):
on the tours.

Speaker 18 (48:50):
I've actually seen Caroline Garcia, she used to be a
top twenty player and she made a post about it
and all the comments that she got and she's trying
to spread awareness. And I know another girl, Priscilla hon
she's big in Australia, top top one fifty and she's
doing the same as well. And sometimes even play players

(49:13):
that are maybe one thousand have. Also we've also reposted
it because I don't think it's gotten enough recognition. But
I think it's starting to be a conversation starter or
you know, we're all helping each other out as players,
just you know, not letting it get to us as much.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
The sorry, I was just gonna say, have the it,
you've been good, or you dealt with it in a
way that you're happy with. In terms of this abuse, I.

Speaker 18 (49:42):
Mean, I personally haven't reported to the its, so I
don't know how much they've gone and investigated most of
the most of the other spans or trolls that they've had,
but I'm hoping that they have at least tried to
think of something that we can start doing. I've noticed

(50:03):
with Instagram they've actually managed to hit like hide those
those types of requests that come through messages, so I
haven't actually been able to see them like through my dms,
but they'll still come through on my posts like comments,
but I haven't been able to see them through requests

(50:24):
as such anymore, which is good.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Do you think it's I guess a combination because say
twenty years ago, no one would have been able to
contact anyone like they came with social media now and
now there's so much more beacing as well. That is
sort of a combined problem between beating and also the
access to athletes through social media.

Speaker 18 (50:42):
Yeah, I mean, like it's tough. I spoke to one
of the other players, and you know, you can't really
keep your account private because you also want to be
able to open up to sponsors and people to find
you in a good way. But then also the other
way is the better is and they can find you
through there and obviously send abuse and things like that.

(51:05):
But I think it's going to be an ongoing matter.
But I'm hoping that players can just kind of, you know,
go on with their career and maybe the more that
we talk about it, the more maybe, I don't know,
some chance that betters would stop stop abusing players or athletes.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Do you think more can be done?

Speaker 18 (51:31):
To be honest, I just think there's so many better
that I there's only so much we can do, and
you can't really stop them from messaging athletes. But I mean, yeah,
I honestly don't really have a solution for it, but
I think making people more aware of that, maybe we
maybe someone can come up with an idea to do that.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Have other players spoken to you about it since that article,
Win Win Life A couple have, a.

Speaker 18 (52:01):
Couple of the New Zealand players, but they also, you know,
they can relate to that as well, and they're happy
that I was able to speak about it, and I'm
hoping that people can read about it as well and
take the time to be more aware.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Of that and what we kind of go through.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Absolutely well, Monika, wish you all the best for twenty
twenty five on the court, and thanks for being so
open about this topic offered as well. Appreciate your time,
no worries, Thank you. There was Manick Barry joining us
on News Talks that being New Zealand tennis player talking
about some of the social media abuse that she's copped
and this article in the Herald that first put this

(52:40):
to light, and there's screenshots of it. There's screeds of
the stuff from people who have lost money on second
tier level tennis tournaments. That's the crazy thing. We're not
talking world number ones, not that it will excuse it,
but we're not talking about the Grand Slams and top ten,

(53:01):
top five players copping this. This is a player in
the four hundreds in the world playing it, of tournaments
that you can bet on? Is there just too much
sports bidding? Now you can basically bet on two flies

(53:21):
going up a wall. Have we gone too far? You
should have to go into tab get your slip market.
We'll tell the operator what you wanted, but it didn't
you get your ticket back. Now you can basically bet
twenty four to seven from your phone on anything that

(53:42):
might be happening around the globe. Does there need to
be more restrictions in place? Because if players like Manick
Bowrier copying it, then it's widespread, whatever the sport might be.
I like having a bit myself. I bet on sport.
I bet on a bit of racing from time to time,

(54:06):
but I do it in moderation. Clearly, there are people
out there that probably do this for quote unquote a
living and social media and the advent of it has
made it harder and harder or it's sorry, easier and
easier for them just to message these pretty disgusting messages
off to people. Does more need to be done? Do

(54:32):
you think it's been taken too far? Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two for a
text message. Do they need to be restrictions put into
place around gambling to stop these messages? Would it stop anything?
One thought I had is maybe restrict beasing on individual sports,

(54:59):
so you couldn't bet on a New Zealand tennis player
playing an ITF tournament, but you could bet on a
team sport. Take less of the owners off the individual.
Is this a betting problem or is it a social
media problem? Time and time again we see players, we

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see referees know Ben o'keefa has done it. I think
after the Super raug Be final a couple of years
ago screenshot a lot of abuse that we've that he
got from fans of the losing side. It's just the
nature of social media and beating and the two combining

(55:41):
together to make a pretty toxic sort of relationship. Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two for
a text message? Does there need to be more restrictions
in place? I see there's a bill before government to
basically restrict New Zealander. Is the only place that'll be

(56:02):
able to bet on sport or racing is through the
tea At the moment, you can open up an account
with a few others around the globe. If that goes through,
it'd be restricted and you can only bet through those
platforms and they wouldn't be able to open accounts with
New Zealand residents. It's kind of crazy. You look through

(56:28):
at the tap app and you can basically bet on anything.
Has it gone too far? Let's take some calls on
this this afternoon, Helen, very good afternoon.

Speaker 11 (56:37):
Yeah, good afternoon, Elliott. Look, I don't have a I'm
not on any social media because of you know, these
negative things. Now, Monique was saying that she needs to
be on social media the sponsorship breathe to things like that. Well,
my suggestion would be just too simplistic is don't have

(57:01):
an account yourself, but have an agent who deals with
all the stuff. Because you mentioned that you need it
for the you know, sponsorship, so well, if you just
needed the sponsorship, don't have it yourself, get somebody to
do it for you, and then it would take a
lot of pressure off.

Speaker 19 (57:17):
Now.

Speaker 11 (57:17):
I don't know if this is being simplistic, but this
is my suggestion.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah, I think it's a very good sedition. I mean,
the message shouldn't be sent in the first place, of course,
but to protect the players, I think, yeah, getting an
agent or someone who is just going to be able
to flood through it and set up the posts or
whatever that needs to be done to do the sponsorship
and advertising. It would protect them, wouldn't it.

Speaker 11 (57:38):
Yes, I mean I couldn't handle it. Frankly.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Oh, it's quite remind I mean the messages that she
got about, you know, basically death threats and various things
for well, I mean with us the greatest expect for
a lower level tennis player and working her way up
in her career. It's just incredible that, you know, these
people target people like that.

Speaker 8 (57:59):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (58:00):
Now, also, like, while I'm on this subject, you know
these kids at school who are getting these terrible text
messages over the SPA and messages. Well, I've got some
suggestions for this as well. I don't know, it's probably
having anyway. Parents should tell their children to only give
their phone numbers to people who are absolutely trustworthy. And

(58:26):
there should be some I don't know, I don't have
a smartphone. There should be some way on the smartphone
to block off, to block these numbers. So, I mean,
you know, it's just horrible.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
It certainly is. Helen, You're right, and you can block
these people and whether it's school kids or whether it's
the people who are beating messaging athletes like that, but
the rate of messages that they get and the different
accounts that you know, you block one account someone or
just set up a new account with a different name
the next day and send similar messages on. It's all

(58:58):
driven by money, isn't it. In terms of the betting
thanks to their call, Helen, this is driven by people
who've lost the money. They thought they're on to a
sure thing. They found a good set of odds online
and it hasn't worked out for them and they've been
tipped over the edge. There are ways to block it,
and I think you're intermediary idea is a decent one.

(59:21):
But a lot of those younger players, probably on tour,
the likes of Monique Barry, don't have a lot of
prize money, still working their way up, getting sponsorships and
various things like that. They're kind of doing it themselves.
I'm sure for someone like a at least like a
name out of the year Naomio Osaka or you know,
on the mean side of things, you know, a Gunick Center,

(59:44):
he might be a bit for different reasons as of today.
But they've got they'll have managers, they'll have agents, they'll
have social media people because they have the big bucks
behind them, and they'll never see it. They probably don't
even have control of their Instagram, probably don't even have
a login. It's all done by their managers. But for
someone on the level of a New Zealand player that

(01:00:07):
is making your way out on circuit and trying their
very best and tournaments that are low level, they just
don't have the money to do that. I think it's
the right So I think you're on the right track,
and I just don't know that the money is there
probably for some of these people. Up A Rahama says
it's not the fault of these sports punting allegat. The

(01:00:27):
issue is that players are accessible on social media, and
then there are psychos with gambling addictions. Many talks. I
think it's the combination of it too. I think you're
making good points the accessibility now of players. As we
touched on there with Minnick Barry in our chat twenty
years ago, let's say two thousand and five, social media

(01:00:48):
was only in its infancy. You wouldn't be able to
track down these players on lease. You saw them in person.
Now google their name, you'll find an Instagram account or
a Facebook account, Twitter account, and you can connect directly
with them, which is one of the good things about
social media, connect with these players, with these athletes. But

(01:01:09):
when it's used like this and used by gamblers who've
had a bad afternoon out a bad beat, that's when
it has any supports. Gambling has been around forever, think
back to some of the old movies and seven you know,
ages ago. It's been a part of society for quite

(01:01:31):
some time. New Zealand has been around since about nine
ninety six, certainly grown since then. And it's so easy
to bet now as well. So I think it's the
combination of all of the things. No one factor necessarily.
But I could pick up my phone right now while
I'm talking to you place a bet on something. It

(01:01:53):
used to be you have to ring the tab or
march down to your local tab and fill out the
form and do the bet that way. The accessibility, the
ease of everything has made it so much easier one
hundred and eighty teen eighty nine, two ninety two For
a text Messa Tony sees this managers costs from twenty

(01:02:14):
percent up she needs the money, not some suit. Just yeah,
probably the money would be the bigger issue with a
lot of these players. Did we need to be more
restrictions around bedding? It's an interesting question. Take a break,
come back with more after this here on news Talk

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ZEBB twenty gates after one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
One Crunch hold Engage Weekend Sports with GJ. Gunner Homes
New Zealand's most trusted her Bilder News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
It is coming up half past one on News Talk
ZIPB Weekend Sport Elliott Smith and for Jason Pine this
weekend talking Beasting this hour on the programme, you might
have hit our chat with Manik Barry at the start
of the hour around the abuse that she's copped. She
won't be alone. James Watt, fellow New Zealand player, also

(01:03:07):
talking about this in the piece of New Zealand. Here
a very good piece by Bonnie Jansen which came out
a few days ago, talking about the punters that in
both the use of the term punters that abuse them.
I know the World Tennis Federation, Sorry Women's Centers Isseration,
the ATF All England Law and Tennis Club, United States

(01:03:29):
Tennis Association have launched this program to try and filter
out abusive or threatening messages across the whole range of
social media. This isn't, I guess, necessarily a new problem
that they're confronting in the relative sense. They're trying to
coordinate it. But really, should we be able to bet

(01:03:51):
on itf matches? Should there be some restriction on the
amount of matches you can bet at the level of
matches you can bed at or is it too far
gone now? People that just find whatever's live, they'll get
a mugsy they'll get it to be done for them,

(01:04:12):
easy bit whatever it might be, go oh yeah, that
looks a the right bang on.

Speaker 20 (01:04:17):
They go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
With no regard for what actually the event is or
whether they're going to have any interest in it. It's
an interesting time, isn't it. In the world is sport
around bissing? We hear Caleb Clark pull out of Super
Rugby Fantasy in the week. I wonder, if you're a player,

(01:04:42):
if you have any recourse to go actually, I don't
want to be bit on. Do they have any saying
that if you're a player that's playing sport and go Actually,
I don't want people to put money on my matches.
Would it do anything? Would you be able to stop that?
There's so many bidding agencies around the globe, Probably no

(01:05:06):
way of restricting it. The horse might have bolted in
that regard. Twenty seven Away from two on News Talk
Zirb Andre frud is an executive director at the Problem
Gambling Foundation. She joins us now on the program, what's

(01:05:27):
your reaction to a lot of these players that we've
heard from in the last week while Nique Bowr and
others as we heard on the program Andre and the
abuse that they've been getting on social media.

Speaker 16 (01:05:40):
But that's really concerning, and unfortunately that's one of the
awful things that happens. The more we see gambling becoming
entrenched in the sports, you know, we see it have
an effect on the players, you know who go out there.
They're highly skilled individuals and you know, they're doing what
they do best, they're playing their sport, and people sometimes

(01:06:01):
forget that gambling is gambling and that you're putting money
on something that is risk and you don't know what
the outcome is going to be, and that's the whole
nature of gambling. So yeah, it's unfortunate, that very unfortunate
that that sort of thing does go on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Has your organization heard of sports people? Does this increase
an increasing trend that's happening around the globe.

Speaker 16 (01:06:23):
I've certainly heard of it before, and I think you know,
sports betting is really growing in many countries and it
contributes to about forty five percent of the online gambling
market share. So yeah, it's enormous and it's growing. So
that sort of thing, I imagine will continue. And also,

(01:06:44):
you know, we know that gambling does have an impact
on the integrity of sports sometimes with sports sports betting too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Do you think more can be fixing that's right? Do
you think more can be done to protect and help
sports people? I guess people will say it's a betting problem,
but it's also a social media problem.

Speaker 16 (01:07:02):
It is absolutely and you know that's the thing with
social media. People can go on to social media and
make these comments and it is really difficult for the
players who do get enormously impacted. I'm sure by this.
And you know, the more we see, as I said,
gambling being becoming entrenched in sports, the more we do

(01:07:24):
see the negative side of that coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
And how much has that increased in recent years around
sports betting because it seems like there are so many
avenues now and so many different options to bet on
a moment in a sports match, or a certain thing
to transpire, or an individual to do a certain actor.
It seems to be much more prevalent than perhaps ten
to fifteen years ago.

Speaker 16 (01:07:49):
It absolutely is. And I'm of the age when I
could go to a rugby game and gambling didn't even feature,
don't even think about it. But now you know, it's
easy twenty four to seven access, you know, and the
value we placed on sports raises the potential for gambling
risk and harm as well. So just with the growth
comes all the sort of side effects I guess of

(01:08:12):
sports betting, which is the risk to people with gambling
harm and the things that you've talked about this morning
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
What does your organization see I'm not sure where they
have any sports people that have been a cop debuse
and come to you or not, But what's your organization
seeing on the level I guess of that increased increased
nature of sports betting.

Speaker 16 (01:08:33):
Well, look, we're certainly seeing because we're seeing a lot
of aggressive advertising from the tab they're deliberately targeting eighteen
to twenty nine year olds with their app. We're seeing
a growth in young people presenting for help with gambling
harm and sports betting, and that will continue to grow.
And I think people need to understand that there is

(01:08:55):
a risk. And a study has shown that the rate
of harmful gambling among sports betters is higher than that
of the general gambling population, and young adults and youth,
particularly males, are at high risk for problems with sports betting.
And then you have things that you mentioned like live
and play betting, where you can bet on he'll score
the next try, for example, and that's really strongly associated

(01:09:19):
with harmful gambling as well. So people just need to
be aware of the risks. And I think with the
increase in advertising and the partnership the TAB has with
endtain now, we're going to see a lot more harm
happening in future years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Andre free with us from the Problem Gambling Foundation. Andrew's
one of your thoughts as well. There's a bill that
would basically direct all the online gambling sports gambling to
THAB and make outsider or offshore betting agencies are illegal
to bet their so all the betting that people that
do have to come via ta B. What's your view
on that.

Speaker 16 (01:09:54):
Well, look, in principle we support that, but there will
be unintended consequences because obviously there'll be situations where people
will get around that. But I think, you know, the
TAB has a big responsibility. If they're going to have
the market share and be in a privileged position having
a monopoly, then they need to increase their consumer protections

(01:10:15):
and make sure they've got really robust time minimization things
in place to protect New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
That's Andre Food from the Problem Gambling Foundation joining us
on News Talk ZBB. Fascinating time. Look, I think that
the box has been opened, very very hard to close
on sports building, but you'd like to think something can
be done around the social media abuse that those athletes
are copying. Interesting topic for sure. Twenty one away from

(01:10:46):
two on News Talk ZBB is Weekend Sport continues. James
mcconey will join us after the break.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
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this time on a Sunday afternoon to catch up with
James mcconey out of Sky the ACC the twenty twenty
three Rugby World Cup commentary with me varies pursued James,
good afternoon.

Speaker 8 (01:11:21):
Oh what a CV. Thanks for adding to it. Elliott's Yeah,
good afternoon and great to be back on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
How good was the opening round of Super Rugby?

Speaker 19 (01:11:30):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:11:30):
Incredible? I mean this is the best adversement is having
absolute humdingers for games, and there were there were ding dongs,
there were barn burners, there were there were last minute
you know, nail biss the works, so whatever cliche you
want to put on the game, they had it all.
But crucially they were close. There were no blowouts and

(01:11:52):
I think that's really a testament to teams just basically
building and also getting rid of the rebels, you know,
the the Australian challenged spread.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Now, which was I think everyone's been hammering away for
a few years. If you get rid of a team,
the time will have to spread out. You'll get better
teams out of it. We've been banging on the finally
done it. Credit to Phil Warren, Rugby Australia and instant improvement.

Speaker 8 (01:12:18):
Yes, and I mean, look the WARRTI that was a
heartbreaker for the Islanders last minute try to I think
it's a CSFA, a Morney, a prop who scored two
tries off the bench. And the bench is a big
talking point as well, because if you go fast forward
to the Chiefs game against the Blues, well they had

(01:12:41):
a loaded bench and Roger Randall actually explained before the game.
He said, well, the All Blacks aren't starting because they
haven't been with us that long, so we've got all
these plans and systems and it's just too much information
for them to take in. So that's why they're coming
off the bench. And man, it worked a treat. That
was an incredible win in the drizzle at Eden Park

(01:13:04):
last night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
And I speaking to you yesterday, they went overly confident
that the Chiefs are going to be able to get
the job done.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
No, I wasn't, but then I guess if I was.

Speaker 8 (01:13:13):
The one thing I was confident about was the debt
that the Chiefs had, and I think that's what gave
them the win. The Blues have definitely got what we
call title winning hangover, and also maybe they realized that
there's a time of the year to peak and it's
not February right, so and missing Hoskins Stucco that I
think that's a big loss, and possibly just trying to

(01:13:35):
bet in what to do with their teen to fifteen
combo because they had Plumber and Bowden Barrett as their
first five and fullback last night. They could end up
with Petefeta and Sullivan at some point and there'd be
no loss in quality really because those guys are sort
of at their point in their careers with our peaking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
As you mentioned, the Chiefs being able to bring off
that bench last night. They probably won't be able to
do it for the entire season. But having Leonard Brown
and Tupo Vying and Female and others come on for
twenty twenty five minute boost and the back end of
the game certainly made a big difference. At the back
end with you know that fatigue early season fatigue setting
in and McKenzie moving back into ten, I thought was

(01:14:19):
a big change lad in the fixture.

Speaker 8 (01:14:22):
Yeah, McKenzie just looked magnificent, didn't he. I think he's
just one of those players he can turn it on
it and at certain times and he'll probably be disappointed
with things like that happened in the French Test, but
that's the only blemish of that Northern Tour for him.
So coming out there and just owning the game, being
the match winner with those two tries, I think another

(01:14:42):
assist or a sort of an assist of an assist.
He was at the forefront of everything they did well
in that second half. I just you know, like when
it comes to teens and I he's lots to talk
about Richard Wonger and he's probably delaying coming back because
he's looked at the Test matches last year and thought, well,
I can probably still come back and be okay. But

(01:15:04):
if mackenzie tig's playing like that, then maybe Richie will
try and hasten his return because it it won't be
a walk into the scenario McKenzie kids playing like that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Indeed, was there a better story over the weekend than
Kyle Priston for the Crusaders on Friday night?

Speaker 8 (01:15:19):
That is incredible? Is he a rufer something?

Speaker 11 (01:15:22):
Ye?

Speaker 7 (01:15:24):
He's a rufer?

Speaker 8 (01:15:24):
Yeah exactly, So he's he's got down, he's been brought
down to earth, but he's even better on the ground. Look,
I mean, having those three tries, he came on early
for Noah, hope and seventy one minutes of rugby. Probably
wasn't expecting it. He's done all his rugby training and

(01:15:45):
in the Wellington nursery really but then realized there was
he was sort of blocked by can Roy guards, so
maybe been sing his chances down at the Crusaders and
it's you know, it'll be great to see him get
some time now because I guess the spring thenkle of
no I hope he might take some time. Who knows,
But that was really cool. And I thought the other

(01:16:05):
thing about that game was a bit like the you know,
the eighties movie The Breakfast Club and the song at
the end, don't you forget about me? Just watching Color
and Grace and Ethan Blackadder and all these guys, you
still have to go, oh, that's right. Even David Harvelli,
you sedor to to go yeah, those guys are really good,
aren't they? And that's what they showed. And seven Reese

(01:16:26):
is just that super rugby level is such a weapon
that you know, he had his say too with a
try and a freakish setter, and to assist he.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Certainly did one thing. I did want to get your
thoughts on as well, Artie Sa Vigo and Mowana Pacifica.
They'll be guided with that. But I think we saw
the immediate left that apply like Artie can bring to
Mawana Pacifica.

Speaker 11 (01:16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:16:50):
I mean Artie was was immense in that game. I
think like there's there's only so much he can do
in thirty four degree heats in Perth, and he did
as much as he could. It's such a another heartbreaker
watching Ben Donaldson, who has got wheels sneakily these Wallabies
first five.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
I will reserve wallab.

Speaker 8 (01:17:07):
These first five, scoring a fifty sixty meter try right
at the death. So I looked at what Ardie's doing.
He is providing just the ultimate and leadership direction. The
team looks so much stronger. There are other standouts as well,
but really Artie is going to be the glue. He's
going to be everything to them in that sense. And

(01:17:29):
also nice to see players, you know, just evolving a bit.
There was miracle fire Lung. He looks like he's put
on about fifteen kilos. But then same with Jackson Garden Baship.
I must ever talked to him as a fuller figured
first five myself. Elliott, you know you do have to
and it's always touch squeezing into that number ten Jersey certainly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Indeed, Yeah, it's fascinating opening round of Super Rugby it
was James McCone. Thank you very much for your time
as always on a Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 8 (01:18:00):
Cheers Elliott, take care mate.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
That is James mccaroney joining us on a Sunday as
he always does here on weekend board. A couple of
texts on Super Rugby that I'll jump to from last year.
I'm making some interesting points, so this is from gun
up high Eliot. Firstly, congratulations to big offer reaching the
one hundred and fifty mark. Well done. Can I make
a bold prediction after round one that my Chiefs versus

(01:18:23):
Crusaders at the Tron will be the final. Both teams
took time to get into the game and both teams
dominated second halves and came out with good wins. Ps.
I'd advised listening to Clad mcwill and latest podcast interesting
listen future head coach. Hopefully Razer gets a chance to
hear it. Another one says this from Ian Hi Elliot.

(01:18:45):
Of course Japan should have a team in Super Rugby.
It expands audience and market. Maybe the Japanese champions earns
the right to play in Super Rugby has done wonders
to La Fiji with the drawer having joined. Also, don't
Insida have some obligation to the Japanese or are we
just happy to send has been coaches and players to
profit from Japan. I wonder how long before Japan start
to question Insida and the current golden arrangement is over

(01:19:07):
interesting to see AFL expansion by comparison, cheers Ian. It's
an interesting question around Japan because they've gone hard on
the setting up there League one competition. They've got a
lot of the best players in the world. I'm not
entirely sure that's an invitation to Super Rugby is something
they're necessarily after. I can see why people are suggesting it,

(01:19:34):
but I think they're quite happy to forward to their
own path. And then there'll be the matter of how
you choose the three teams or four teams or whatever
it might be that get into Super Rugby Pacific. Debra says,
that's Haley any idea where there's no app for Super
Rugby this year. It was my go to last year

(01:19:55):
to keep up each week. Debrah, I don't know. We
tooked a little bit yesterday. The All Blacks app is
apparently shutting down and they're moving to people to ended
Up Plus, so that might be the one to download,
Debrah the inded Up Plus app. I don't know if
it's got a schedule on there on on Super Rugby,
a couple of good apps around the place to follow

(01:20:17):
Super Rugby into our plus might be the one to
look at. Six line open nine a text message if
you do want to join the program anytime this afternoon.
One sees this before we take a break. The Highland
has suffered through yellow cards. How can a tool play
get lower than a low carry when they still had

(01:20:38):
arms out to tackle properly correctly rather cheers Bruce, Thanks
very much for the text. A couple on the gambling
as well. We'll get too after the break. It is
coming up. Eight away from two News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Weekend sport news Talk. Five away from two on news
Talk zib couple of suggestions for deborgh who was having
some issues with the Super Rugby app or the All
Blacks app. Before the break, Michael says, tribe and metch
to his Union Live. If you want to follow Super
Rugby and Rugby Championship, you can also hear Super Rugby
on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio. You can follow it that

(01:21:14):
way as well, Debrah. So hopefully a couple of options
there for you. On the gambling front that we talked
about earlier in the hour text High Elliott, It's an
interesting conversation on gambling. I've always been a punt for
fun kind of guy, but over the last month or so,
I think I've gotten a bit too over zealous with
my top ups and my spind has gone up about
one hundred and fifty percent a week. Trying to cut
down is bloody tough, though, because it's advertised everywhere on

(01:21:37):
every broadcast, social media and radio, et cetera. Really is
I mean it is wall to wall in terms of
some of that advertising at the moment. And get on
you for noticing that maybe a step back is required,
Peter says, as our high aliot, is there some way
to name and shamee these low lives on social media?
As a father, I'd like to have it out with
these creep saying this about my children. It's a problem

(01:22:00):
with social media. You can put your name, but it's
also entirely optional on most services to put your name,
and the anonymasy is why these people send us messages
in the first place, because they know they can't really
be traced by and large or the effort to trace
them it's probably not worth it. And there's a fascinating conversation.

(01:22:24):
I think there's more to come in that space after
two o'clock and New Sport and whether we talk for
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ban for the world number one A men's tennis. We
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Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Be welcome back in Weekend Sport on News Talk to
be six alfter two, Elliott Smith in for Jason Pine
this weekend. Piney back with you on Sports Talk Tomorrow
nights final hour of the program. Lots of dig into

(01:23:20):
Alice Robinson's going to join us in a few moments time.
Here we alpine skier. Great result for her at the
World Championships during the week silver medal and the giant slalom,
and she is finding her feet again after a tough
couple of years. Alice Robinson's standing by to join us
on week in Sport this afternoon. Big news overnight Jarnick

(01:23:45):
Sinner men's tennis world number one has negotiated. You negotiated
a three month ban? Might I've heard some Henman talking
about it in the news before World Anti Dobig agency
and sin they have come to an agreement that will
see him ban for three months. He won't miss a
Grand Slam. The Australian Open obviously finished a couple of

(01:24:08):
weeks back to or three weeks back. The French Open
doesn't start until the end of May. He's back playing
by early May. What kind of story? What kind of
deal is this? Former New Zealand tennis player?

Speaker 14 (01:24:21):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Can this commentate it? Hate it? Lee Ridovanovich to join
the program this hour to dig into that issue. And
a big morning tomorrow morning for Kiwi Motorsport and Shane
van Gisbergen we head Stateside. Nate Ryan to join us
NBC Motoring journalist as Shane van Gisberg and ISVG prepares

(01:24:46):
for his first tilts at the Daytona five hundred. Just
how different will this be for him? Having had a
season of the second tier Exfinity Series, obviously a long
career in supercars and Australia as well, But just how
different will this be the Daytona five hundred for him?

(01:25:07):
Tomorrow morning NT Ryan to join the program before the
hour is out here at News Talks he'd be but
as it gets closer to nine after two. We do
this every Saturday and every Sunday afternoon and it's in
case you missed it. On Weekend Sport we begin with
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(01:25:29):
net for Nottingham Forest full in just the one from
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chucked it away?

Speaker 12 (01:25:36):
Chris Wood had his brilliant pass and having been on
the back court for so long, Step four with Chris
Wood yet again, eighteen goals for this season.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
You just cannot switch off when he's are out. Unfortunately,
that's where the good news ends for Chris Woods and
for Nottingham Forest. They fell to one to fullher Manchester
City though look like they're finding some form of old
at least in the Premier League. Good new raunch corner.
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Speaker 21 (01:26:12):
The four cold felt a long time coming, but it's
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Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
For new Winever and Newcastle has them sitting in forth
still with football and Auckland f C their third win
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Speaker 13 (01:26:25):
Wuldy Heat come up with another one here here's Mourenno
has Max Mater on the six yard line.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
It's a tap d for the Auckland FC.

Speaker 13 (01:26:34):
Salasman and two goals in as many minutes. This one
a little simpler, but they won't care.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
How they come two zip to the good Auckland f
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points clear at the top of the A League. Log
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for the Brumbies over the Fijian drawer told the use it.

Speaker 13 (01:26:58):
And Logan's one. Here come the Brumbies. It is over
the top of its card the sham Browning and the
Brumbies they had hit back big time and they're in front.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Of Edits that man Luke Rimer thirty six thirty two.
They held out in the end did the Brumbies, and
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but more Wana pacificer Donaldson, Donaldson, he hies a gap.
Big Donaldson has a spice. He's got Harry Potter with him.
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(01:27:35):
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(01:27:57):
thirty one down and finally it's a triumph for the
Malti team and the NROLS Malti versus Indigenous All Stars game.

Speaker 21 (01:28:05):
Turning it in now Keilly by opposite time he's tracked
down and the Bardi finally have their win. That was
a remarkable finish. Look at a celebrations. Don't tell them
this is an exhibition for the first time. Sin's twenty

(01:28:26):
twenty two. It is the Maori All Stars that will
hold the trophy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
They got a job done, so too did the Warriors
and their pre season hit out against the storm of
thirty sixteen to thirty six mil at the halftime break
that first game, incidentally of the Nral in Las Vegas.
Two weeks today comes around very very quickly. It is
twelve after two.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the morning, World
Weekend Sport All eighty U S talks in me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Well, big resolved for Kiwi skare Alice Robinson this week.

Speaker 12 (01:29:02):
Winner of the silver medal, represent you feeling, Allie grob
It so.

Speaker 21 (01:29:13):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Indeed, she bagged the silver medal and the women's Giant
slalom at the Alpine Skiing World Championships in Selbuch, and
she joins us now on news talk zib Alisair. Thanks
so much for your time. Hi, Yeah, thanks for having
me well, Alice, A few days on from your silver
medal and the Giant Slalom World Championships in Austria, has
it sunk in yet?

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah? No, It's been a really really awesome few days.
It's been busy and exciting, but yeah, it's just a
great feeling and just yeah, ready to get on with
the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
I guess did you feel like you've been in good
form leading into the World Championships.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Yeah, I've been felt really good this whole season. I've
been really happy with where my skiing's at, with my consistency,
and I just had to win a couple of weeks
before the World champ so I was feeling like I
was in a good spot. And yeah, it's been ski
racing and anything can happen on the day. It was
just a great feeling to be in good form and
be able to execute as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
I know in one interview store you mentioned the conditions
heading into the race and mentioning they were a little
bit tricky. What were they like for us and how
did you adapt?

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yeah, it was challenging. I guess. It had been quite
cold and went to like the last week or ten
days before the race, and the night before the race
it was raining and quite like foggy and wet. So
the snow changed a lot from the conditions that we
were training on. Was a lot more like spring conditions,
like softer snow, which I've always found quite challenging. So

(01:30:42):
that was the only thing I was a little bit
nervous about was the conditions that I think I've learned,
I mean, getting better at being a bit more all
rounded before the difference so snow conditions. So I was
happy with the adjustments and I managed to make it work.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
You sure did. You mentioned the winning complants a few
weeks ago you got a top podium there in the
World Cup event. How big was that for your confidence
getting into the World Championships.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Yeah, I mean it was so special. It was like
my first win in four years. I mean, I've had
a lot of podium form, but it was nice to
finally take that office getting the win again. And it's
nice to go into a big event with yeah, with
a big confidence booster and something like that, and it's
good going. It's exciting going to these like World champs
and big events knowing you've got potential to do something.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
What's changed, Elis? You mentioned the first win in four years,
which is fantastic and cromplex and obviously a silver medal
here and now in a couple of days ago in Austria.
So what have you done to change and how tough
have the last four years been for you not getting
a victory under the belt. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
I think I had a two quite challenging years where
I had a lot of crashes. It kind of it
was during like the COVID times, I found really tough
being so young and so far away from home and
then getting COVID and missing big events and crashing a bit,
and it was a bit.

Speaker 20 (01:32:05):
Of a mare.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
And then I changed equipment and it took me a
year to kind of get that organized. And then last
the last season this like last year and this season
have both been really good. Last year, I was just
second a lot, so I was in you know, spots
to be winning races that I missed the book wins
by like one one hundredth one time and then by

(01:32:27):
a couple of tenths another time, so it was still good.
I was still in really good form last year, and
it was just nice to that the hundreds went my
way and I got a wed this year and hopefully
we'll see what happens next.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
On that change to the equipment, How tricky is it
to adjust to new equipment when you've become so adapted
to one style and then going into to new equipment
For us leg people out there, just to explain for
us how tricky it is to get used to new
equipment on the slopes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yeah, So I switched to Solomon two years ago, and
it's definitely it's a huge adjustment. I mean, equipment's very
important in ske racing, and sometimes you can switch and
things work straight away, and then other times it takes
a process to You have to do a lot of testing,
a lot of trial and error with getting the equipment sorted.
So it did take me a bit of time to

(01:33:21):
get it sorted in it but now I'm like, have
it dialed in and it's good. But it's a big
process because it's, yeah, you're changing pretty much everything, and
the brand that I spot was using before, I've used
my whole life. So it was definitely a bit of adjustment,
just learning what works and trying out everything. But then
it's work out for the best.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Now you're posting some great results as we've discussed in
the Giant Slalom, you obviously compete in the Super G
as well. Where are you at and that discipline and
is it fear to say that the Giant Slalom is
the favorite of the two disciplines. Yeah, GS is where.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I've had pretty much all my success success and so
it's for sure my favorite. It's more technical than SUPERG
and it's where I've had all my podiums and wins
and Super G and downhill a bit more speed events
and super G. I've been kind of chipping away at
it for the last few years, and I'd like to
take that next step and be on the podium. I

(01:34:17):
just have been putting a bit more focus on GS.
But my goal is to be as competitive in super
G as I am in GS, and I'm still working
towards them and doing all the World Cups and just
trying to get better at that too.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Que Alpine Scare Alice Robinson with us on week in
Sport this afternoon on News Talk. Alisa, Obviously you've detailed
the difference is there, But does the confidence of the
good results in Giant slalom give you a little bit
more confidence as you head into the Super G events
now that you've got some podiums and the other discipline, Yeah,

(01:34:49):
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
I mean they're very different, but they's I mean that
they're still on skis and you're still making turns, so
it's different, but it's you definitely can carry the confidence
from GS over into that and it's I really enjoy
doing the speed events and then downhill again to another
event that I'm trying to come and chip away it
as well, but it's even higher speed, so for sure

(01:35:10):
comforts from GS translates over, but there's still a lot
of technical and tactical elements of Super Gene Downhill which
are quite.

Speaker 9 (01:35:18):
Different to GS.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
You mentioned the season continues after the World Championship, So
what does the next few months look like for Alice
Robinson on the slopes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Yeah, the next like five six weeks are pretty crazy.
We get pretty much straight back into it this week.
This coming week we've got to Giant Solemn World Cups
in Italy on Friday and Saturday, so that's quite a
big weekend, and then we've got pretty much We've got
speed races and Norway, then another GS race in Sweden,

(01:35:49):
then back to Italy for another speed race, and then
finally at the end of March, we have the World
Cup Finals in Sun Valley in the US, so heading
back over there and then we're wrapped up at the
end of March. But yeah, every weekend now till the
end of March has got a World Cup event.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Homslow doesn't really stop under a year now from the
Olympic Games the Winter Olympics in twenty twenty six in
Milan Courtina. In fact, they'll be on this time in
a year exactly. So to the recent run of results
give you some confidence, I mean a long way out
of course, but as you eye that way down the

(01:36:23):
track that you know you're on the right track, so
to speak. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
I mean I'm just taking every race race by race
and not thinking too much about Courtina and the Olympics
as yet, But for sure it's always the back in
my mind, and they're definitely starting to get a bit
more talk about it coming up. But yeah, still a
lot a lot to do before then, so you can
start worrying about those results next year.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Well, going to plan Alis, this will be your third
Olympic Games next year, after visits in twenty eighteen and
twenty twenty two. Will you use, you know, ideas of
how you went at those games and how you prepared
for those games. Will you put that into your preparation
of how you get ready for it for next year's
Olympic Games.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
I think I'll probably just be doing more of the
same of what I've been doing these last couple of years.
And we have like a World Cup schedule that we
do every year and for me at the Olympics next year,
I'm not going to treat it any differently to another
World Cup.

Speaker 16 (01:37:18):
Race, So I'm just going to be doing more of
the same.

Speaker 8 (01:37:20):
It's going to be easy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
It's in a venue that I've been to plenty of times,
and i know the area really well and i know
the slope, so I'm just going to be taking it.
It's just another race. And then it's just special that
you get to have the Olympic rings and you get
to represent New Zealand. But for me, the preparation is
going to be the same.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Fantastic. Well, we look forward to the Olympics and your
competition in there, but for the time being, we look
forward to hearing about and seeing your results on the
slopes in the coming weeks for the rest of your season.
Alis Robinson, thank you very much for your time here
on News Talk ZV this afternoon. Thank you, sir. See yup,
that's Alice Robinson joining us on Weekend Sport this afternoon.

(01:37:56):
Here we Helpine skier and you're finding some real form
at the moment, which is fantastic. I know she's and
she mentioned this that I of had a few ups
and downs in the last few years and burst onto
the scene. Had struggled for a better around COVID. Great
to see her back and competing well for New Zealand.
And you look a year a here so ahead. Some

(01:38:17):
of those names always to ask you, Nico Portius, Alice Robinson,
Luca Harrington's been doing some great stuff as well. And
there are probably a couple of others that I'm neglecting
to mention. It seems a long time ago since New
Zealand had that one solitary winter Olympics middle and you
know with Aniles Coburger in the nineties, great success in

(01:38:41):
twenty eighteen, twenty twenty two, better again. What my twenty
twenty six bring Milan COURTEENA I think starts around the
sixth of February next year. Fascinating to see how our
Kiwi snow athletes go. It's a boon time for the sport,
that is for sure. Twenty two after two news talks,
here be back with more after this Jarnick Sinner, how

(01:39:01):
did he pull it off? Three month banys more than
just a game?

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Weekend Sports with GJ. Gunnos New Zealand's most trusted home
builder news.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Dogs twenty five after two on News Talk ZIBB. Well,
it was a pretty staggering story that came out overnight
that you Excenter, the men's world tennis number one, has
negotiated a three month ban for doping. Quite remarkable, but
he's been able to negotiate the young Excenter winning the

(01:39:33):
Australian Open not so long ago.

Speaker 8 (01:39:41):
So no, that's a.

Speaker 22 (01:39:42):
Second three sets today, six three, seven, six six.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Ray, it's a third page.

Speaker 12 (01:39:59):
Quite stop a ban.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Accenter accepting an immediate three month doping ban. After so,
he and the World Anti Doping Agency reached a sentiment
on his period of ineligibility, which means he can return
before the French Open in May. The band began a
week ago today February ninth, then will end on May
the fourth. He can return to training in a few
weeks time April thirteen. The French Open main drawl starts

(01:40:25):
May twenty five, so he's not going to miss any
Grand Slam action. Originally, before WADA settled with Sinner, it
was going to be heard by the Court of Arbitration
for Sport in a couple of months time and he
could have faced a two year ban. Joining us to
discuss tennis commentator for New Zealand tennis player Lee Radovanovitch

(01:40:47):
on the program Afternoon League. What was your reaction when
you heard that Jannick Sinner had negotiated a three month ban.

Speaker 20 (01:40:55):
Yeah, my reaction was actually around the deal. I thought
it was a bit on the way that sort of
the statement was written, or the the way that the
press has come out, seemed like they had been negoshiating
a deal. I would have thought if you've got a
positive drug test and you get banned, and they set

(01:41:16):
the rules and you take the punishment. So I was
a bit surprised. Not surprised that he got banned, but
I was surprised that there was a settlement as if
they were negotiating. And then also very convenient that his
three band in between the Australian Open and the French Open,
so he can still play the French Open.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
So he was nicky.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
To me, I've never come across before. It doesn't feel
like there should be any bargaining power from the athlete
who was doped to be able to try and you
boggin down or whittle down their suspension.

Speaker 20 (01:41:49):
I completely agree with you. If you've been a naughty
boyan you get banned and you caught the band, right,
you take like a band. So yeah, I don't like it,
to be honest with you, It doesn't really affect them
in any way. Sure, he's going to take three months off,
He'll just train hard. He'll come back, play a couple
of toilets for the French up and then be the
favorite or the second favorite for the French Oithen obviously

(01:42:12):
it tarnishes his reputation. But again, and you see this
in a million sports. It just makes these antidope agencies
look ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
What message doesn't seem to not only I suppose tennis
players around the globe, but also any sporting athlete that
this is the kind of punishment that been dished down.

Speaker 20 (01:42:33):
Well, I think the punishment's fine. Three months. Look, I
get I get frustrated with the excuses. You know, we
had eager soon Tech last year, which he has number
one of the world, taken one month ban for and
her excuse was I took a jet Lag pill and
the jet Lab pearl was contaminated.

Speaker 11 (01:42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Whatever.

Speaker 20 (01:42:55):
And then with Sinner, apparently his physio had a cut
on his hand and was using cream for that, and
that somehow got into the sinner's system. And so the
authorities are saying that, well, he had no fault here,
didn't do it on purpose. That again, is a ridiculous explanation,

(01:43:17):
is it not.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Well, the intention to check? Yeah, no, one ha.

Speaker 20 (01:43:21):
Really been contaminated by my says I was cut on
his hands and had some cream, Like, give me it break.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
He didn't intend to cheat. But I'm you know, I
think back to Sherypover's case and she was taking heart
medicine and she was saying she didn't intend to cheat.
I'm sure there are any number of athletes that don't
intend to cheat, or at least say they don't intend
to cheat. But just because you've said it doesn't make
it true.

Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
Yeah's absolutely.

Speaker 20 (01:43:44):
It's just I mean, whether it be tennis or another athlete,
these kind of stories they come up with a crazy
to neve. I just don't like the fact that seems
like they've done a deal, and it's a bit of
a sweetheart deal because he doesn't really miss anything major
that's going to affect him, right, He's what's what's his
goals in tennis?

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Win?

Speaker 20 (01:44:00):
Grand slaps, so really serious, abandoned the longest so miss
grand slaps?

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
Your athlete. Sure you were drug tested throughout your career.
Surely the onus is on the athlete to know exactly
what's going into their body or on their body at
any one time because there are so many restrictions and
so many rules about what you can and can't take.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:44:19):
Absolutely, the players for himself, but it's also responsible for
its entire team. Remember, these guys individually are a visitors.
They employ lots of people for as traveling coaches, you
name it. It's one hundred percent of their responsibility to
take care of themselves. And it's not like these guys
don't get tested. They need to be available one hour
a day, three hundred and sixty five days a year

(01:44:41):
to take a drug test are required, So it's not
like there's protocols in place. But you know, if you
make a mistake, then you pay the price, but you
should pay a heavy price.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
If you were still playing, what would your reaction to
playing Yannick Sinner B And what do you think that
the locker room reception might be around the globe when
he gets back into playing tennis.

Speaker 20 (01:45:01):
I think people will just roll their eyes and say, oh, yeah,
there's another one of those look I don't think think
let's say hypothetically he was taking performance and hardship drugs.
I don't think that would give him a massive advantage
because if he's doing stuff like that, the other guys
are doing it too. Any endurance sport out there where
players are getting paid millions of dollars, I think. You

(01:45:22):
know you covered Comwealth Games and Olympic Games. The takers
are always ahead of the testers. So in terms of
the players in the locker room.

Speaker 10 (01:45:30):
I think they just move on and it's just part
of the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Do you think there'll be a black mark from a
worldwide perspective on Centers as his career goes forward, a
bit of a black mark on whatever legacy leaves, or
will it be sort of forgotten in six months time?

Speaker 20 (01:45:46):
Toler forgotten in six months time? Would be my thought
that there'll be in the news for the next couple
of days and then he'll come back and he'll start
winning again and things will just go back to normal,
would be my strong opinion on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Leave rid Avane, it's with us on newstalk Z. He's
back eligible. Obviously, as you touched on early, he finishes
and wins the Australian Open, back for the French and
time effect. I think the first tournament eligible he's back
for is an event in his time country in Rome.
So really he's not missing too much of the big
stuff in tennis at the moment.

Speaker 13 (01:46:16):
Is he.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
No, he's not.

Speaker 20 (01:46:18):
As I said earlier, his goal in tennis will be
to be Thember one and win Grand Slamp. So he'll
go away, he'll train, he'll be in lieable shape for
the next three months. It might even be good for
him to take a break and work on whatever it
is he wants to work on in his game.

Speaker 8 (01:46:31):
And you know you would, you.

Speaker 20 (01:46:32):
Could install him right now as a favorite for the
French afplet after his.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
Band and just finally Lee. I guess the precedent Do
you think there's been a precedent said here that you
can negotiate with you know, whether it's just a bit
of hang preme or whatever. It might be that if
you were done for a positive test, then WADA is
willing to bargain with some athletes.

Speaker 20 (01:46:52):
Well absolutely, I mean every Segue athlete if they are
in trouble, I'm going to try to do that now. Right,
Maybe he's got a bit more bargaining power because he's
number one in the world and tennis doesn't want to
look bad.

Speaker 8 (01:47:03):
And perhaps I've had a.

Speaker 20 (01:47:06):
Tree of kind of sleeping things under the road, so
you know with past players. But yeah, if you're a
top class athlete around the world and any sport, you're
gonna trying to negotiate immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
It's a fascinating time in the world of tennis and
the world of doping. Lee rad Avandovitch, thanks for your
time with us here on News Talk ZEBB this afternoon.
Nice to catch up. Okay, thanksfully appreciate your time with
us here on News Talk zb It is a twenty
six away from three. I think found it staggering when
I saw that last night. I'm not sure how Yarnick

(01:47:39):
Sinner has had any leverage in that deal. Take it
to the Court of Arbitration for sport, go through that process.
At what point did he go, look, I don't want
to go to cass I'll do six months. Sorry, I'll
do one month. Baan did what I say six and

(01:48:02):
they met in the middle and said three.

Speaker 7 (01:48:06):
Was he reading.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
Donald Trump's book The Out of the Deal or something
He's pulled off an absolute swindle? Here Janickson, I like
him as a player, can't condone this deal. Interesting to
see some of the reaction as well from players around
the globe. You've heard Tim Henman in our news bulletins
today Nick Krios, the Aussie former women and finalist. He

(01:48:32):
had previously said that Centner and Egis film Tech's open
cases were disgusting for the sport. He said, obviously Senter's
team have done everything in their power to just go
ahead and take a three month ban, no titles lost,
no prize money lost, sad day for tennis, venis and
tennis does not exist. Quite remarkable. Stan Vavrinka also had

(01:48:58):
a crack, saying I don't believe in a clean sport anymore.
Interesting to see what kind of reaction Janick Sinner will
get when he returns to the court, as it touched
on their chatting to lead he will be eligible again
for his home tournament, the Italian Open, from May the seventh.

(01:49:19):
This seems like Janick Sinner has just dictated to the
World Antidopac agency what he is prepared to serve, not
the other way around, and just makes why to come
across look absolutely weak. Fascinating precedent for World Sport because

(01:49:40):
the next time someone has caught with something that isn't
clearly obvious in terms of a performance enhancing drug, if
you can possibly spin it, they will be. They'll be
saying I didn't mean to. Oh, Janick Sinner said the
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away from three Newstalk ZIB Daytona five hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
It is coming up twenty away from three on Newstalk ZIB.
You'll remember this from Shane van Gisbergen. Sheen Evan gisberg
has been perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
He has navigated the streets of Chicago to perfection.

Speaker 12 (01:50:37):
The final time under the front stretch, he comes to
the checkered flag.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
He's won the very foot street. Yes in d Shane
van Gisbergen. There with that win in Chicago and NASCAR
after that switch a couple of years ago, he's had
a season in Exfinity and tomorrow morning in the showpiece
of NASCAR, the Daytona five hundred, one of the biggest

(01:51:04):
events in Wild Motorsport Shane v gisburg And will be
the and on the start line, joining US state side
to discussed as NBC Motorsport journalist Nate Ryan Nate thinks,
so joining us on News Talk ZB this afternoon.

Speaker 15 (01:51:16):
Oh, it's a pleasure. Thanks for having me well es VG.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Shane van gusburg And as we know him down here
in New Zealand to have his day both the Daytona
five hundred and really a matter of hours. Look, I
guess the countdown's on for Shane van Gisbergen. From a
local perspective. What are you expecting from Shane van Gisbergen
and how different will this be for him as he
gets underway in the early hours of Monday morning out time.

Speaker 23 (01:51:40):
It's gonna be extremely different from what he's used to
in the Supercar Series and what you guys have seen
down under and 'sy one in Australia. I mean, he's
gonna be on this oval and it's not anything like
he's ever experienced. It seems rather simplistic because it's essentially
just making four turns a lap and you know, it's
not like road courses or street courses where there's elevation

(01:52:02):
changes and shifting and turns. This is it seems simple,
like I said, but it's a very dynamic process. And
I think that's what SPG has struggled with so far,
is that he's trying to learn exactly where to put
his car on the track on every lap. And again,
it seems reductive. It seems like it should just be
as simple as just turning left, But there's actually a

(01:52:25):
lot more to it. There's a lot of nuances to it,
and I think that's what he'll be figuring out in
the Daytona five hundred, the biggest race of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Has expinity a year in that last year equipped him
at all for what to speak tomorrow.

Speaker 23 (01:52:38):
It certainly helped. You know, he didn't have any oval
experience before he got to NASCAR. He made his first
Oval start less than two years ago in the Truck Series,
and like you said, then, he had a year in Exfinity.
He also did some Cup races as well, so he
doesn't come into this cold. But the thing that's different
about the Daytona five hundred is this is the Cup

(01:52:59):
Series and these are the very best drivers in America
in NASCAR, and they have just oodles of ex experience
compared to SPG on how to race these ovals, Like
I was talking about, and it's not just about the
fact that this is an oval, it's a very particular
specialized type of racing.

Speaker 15 (01:53:18):
It's super speedway racing.

Speaker 23 (01:53:19):
The horsepower is choked down on all of these cars,
so they run in really tight packs and it's very
very easy to make a mistake that can take you
from the lead to twentieth in a half a lap.
And it's also very easy to make a mistake to
make a bobble that can trigger a huge multi car wreck.
And unfortunately spg's already been in a wreck this week

(01:53:40):
during the qualifying race Thursday, so hopefully that doesn't happen Sunday,
but it's very difficult to avoid. We're sure to see
big crashes at the daytime of five hundred usually forty
one car field. I would not surprise me at all
if only fifteen twenty cars finish, and hopefully Shane Vegas
Berging is one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
I sort of quite for him saying he had to
be prepared to wreck his car, and who's quite the
mindset shift from what he's been used to in Super guys.
How how tricky is that for him?

Speaker 23 (01:54:06):
You know, Jeff Burton, who's a NASCAR an NBC analyst
and raced in NASCAR for twenty plus years, won all
the big races. He said about racing at Daytona, is
that what's really hard about it is you don't go
into many races expecting to wreck, and like I said,
more than half the field probably is going to wreck

(01:54:27):
in the Daytona five hundred. So it's really difficult I
think for drivers to adjust to that mindset and to
just understand that there is a better than fifty to
fifty chants your car is gonna end up in the
wall here, and you can't really hold back because of that.
I think you have to kind of rewire your brain
a little bit and be cautious when you're in the

(01:54:48):
draft and you're in the middle of all these cars
that are inches apart at two hundred miles an hour.
But you also have to take risks, and it's a
really fine balance, and that's why it's so difficult for
someone who has inexperienced as SPG on the ovals. So
I get what he's saying when he says that you
really have to be ready to to kind of totally
twist your mindset around from being a three time Supercars champion.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
So what does a good result for him look like tomorrow?
Is it as simple as you see it? Finishing the Rice?

Speaker 23 (01:55:15):
I think top ten would be an excellent result for him,
you know, Finishing I think, like you said, would be great.
But if he's still on the track with like fifteen
to twenty laps to go, he's probably gonna have a
chance to finish in the top fifteen, presuming he's still
in the lead lap. Because again, this is a real
strange type of racing where you know, we've seen flukey

(01:55:37):
winners at the Daytona five hundred, where it doesn't always
favor the most experienced drivers, even though it's really hard,
I think as a rookie to come in here and
just win. But if you manage to sort of it's
like a game of survivor, if you manage to like
just stay out there and avoid the big crashes, and
you're in the mix with like twenty to go, and

(01:55:58):
you know, at that point SPG will had more than
four hundred miles of experience on the high banks of
the deterroran national Speedway. It's not all of the realm
with possibility that he could finish top ten or even
you know, top five.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
Another plan and that's right, Another drive a debuting tomorrow
who we're familiar with down here from from years of
watching IndyCar with Scott Dixon, Scott McLaughlin, Helio Kestronivi's to
make his debut as well, which is pretty specially. He's
won the Indy five hundred, of course four times, so
to have a racer of his caliber crossing over, what's
the reception like the Helio Kesterronev is making his Daytona

(01:56:30):
five hundred debut.

Speaker 15 (01:56:31):
I think the reception has been great.

Speaker 23 (01:56:33):
And NASCAR actually created a special exemption for Leo Castor
and Evs so he could make this race.

Speaker 15 (01:56:38):
He didn't make the race actually on speed or through
the race.

Speaker 23 (01:56:42):
He had used this special provisional that NASCAR created for
in this case a four time Indy five hundred winners
for any world class driver in Leo Castro and Nevs.
Certainly is that. But unfortunately, like Eleo's had a really
tough week. This is his NASCAR debut. He's never rased
in stock cars at this level, at this Speedway, and
he's raised a couple of support races, he's raced in

(01:57:05):
the qualifying race, and he's crashed in all of them,
and he had a really bad Riocky mistake in the
qualifying race Thursday. But all that being said, he did
manage to finish fifth despite being in one of the
early crashes in the support race the day before the
Daytona five hundred.

Speaker 15 (01:57:21):
So again, I think like he's got a shot if
he's there at the end.

Speaker 23 (01:57:26):
But regardless to your point, the fact that he's even
in this race certainly raises the profile for NASCAR, just
like SPG being in the race. I mean, having two
world class drivers like SPG and Lio Castro Nevez in
the biggest race of the NASCAR season, it's a big
win for NASCAR.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
Some of our listeners will know the name Daytona five hundred,
may not be as familiar with it, but I was
watching the Fox Sports coverage of the Super Bowl last
week though were advertising it heavily. It's really is one
of the jewels in the crown of American motus we
world modusport, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:57:55):
Yeah, I mean this is the race every NASCAR driver
wants to win.

Speaker 23 (01:57:58):
It's just like the Indianapolis five hundred, which, as you
probably know, Scott mcgwonquin was on the pole for that
race last year, and I mean just winning the poll
for that race attracted a ton of attention. But when
you win the Indy five hundred, when you win the
Daytona five hundred, that's essentially how you're introduced for the
rest of your career as an American race car driver.

Speaker 15 (01:58:17):
You're you're you know, You're Daytona five hundred winner, Austin Syndric.

Speaker 23 (01:58:21):
Like, no matter what Austin Cindric does for the rest
of his career, he's going to be first introduced as
a Daytona five hundred winner.

Speaker 15 (01:58:27):
So, yeah, this is the big one. This is the
crown jewel of the NASCAR season.

Speaker 23 (01:58:31):
It kicks off their year, which is a little bit
weird to have the Quasi super Bowl be the season opener,
but that's the way NASCAR does it. So be a
ton of eyeballs at dayton National Speedway watching.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
What happens on the Daytona five hundred and just finally
that's so grateful for good time. Just going back to
shine Van Gisberg. In terms of the year, a heats
a big year again obviously for him. What will success
look like for Shane Van Gisberg in this year, Well, it's.

Speaker 23 (01:58:55):
Really going to be an interesting year for SPG because,
like I mentioned, he's really, I.

Speaker 15 (01:59:00):
Think going to struggle to get acclimated on the ovals.
I think winning on the ovals is going to be
extremely difficult.

Speaker 23 (01:59:05):
But NASCAR has the unique playoff system where if you
win a race, you qualify for their ten race dass
to the championship, which are called the playoffs at the
end of season.

Speaker 15 (01:59:15):
And there are six or seven street race and.

Speaker 23 (01:59:18):
Road course races on the Cup Series season, and in
every one of those races, SPG is going to be
a favorite to win, especially at Chicago, where as you know,
he won in his first time ever in NASCAR in
twenty twenty three. He probably would have won the race
last year if you would have been wrecked. So SBG
has a really good chance as a rookie of running

(01:59:40):
for a championship in NASCAR's premier series because he's probably
going to qualify the playoffs by getting a win either
a Chicago or one of those road courses. So it's
going to be a learning year for SPG, but it
could be a very successful year for them as well well.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
Plenty a find of white for the year ahead. But
Daytona five hundred tomorrow, Enjoy the racing night, Ryan, Thanks
so much of your time here on NEU stoog Zebe.

Speaker 15 (02:00:01):
Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
That is night Ryan, NBC Noticeabale journalists joining the program.
U se Daytona five hundred early tomorrow morning. I think
I saw about seven thirty am, if memory serves for it,
I think they brought Ford half an hour an hour.
We'll double check that and come back with an official
time for you after the break here on news Talk
zeber I did say they make a change because there's

(02:00:23):
storms on the way or something like that. So seven
thirty I've got the night of approval from producer Andy
So seven thirty tomorrow morning Shane van Gisberg and one
of motorsports biggest events, the Daytona five hundred. Very cool
to see here we are on the start line for
that event. Text message on the opening before we take
a break. This Jarnicks in the case is all very

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reminiscent of the British athlete Olympic Christie's adverse drugs test
finding the nineteen eighty eight Sole Olympics. The committee gave
him the benefit of the data. After Christi Klan the
Culprit on drinking gin sing tea storm in a tea cup.
Very good, Take a break, come back, wrap up the
show after this, it is ten away from three Talk.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Zib the scoop from the track field now the court
on your home of thoughts Weekend Sport if you talk.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
It is seven away from three on News Talk ZIBB.
Closing stages of Weekend Sport this afternoon and great to
have your company throughout the last couple of weekends. Piney
back with you for Sports Talk tomorrow nights. I'm sure
have plenty of reflections on the round that's been in

(02:01:36):
Super Rugby. Just thinking about I can't think of a
better opening weekend to Super Rugby than there has been
as a rugby commentator myself. That makes me quite excited.
Hopefully that's the standard of the competition going forward for
season twenty twenty five. You'd hate to back next weekend

(02:01:58):
and have some blowouts, but if the standard is going
to be equal that it's going to be very very
hard to pick each weekend. It's going to get more
people back interested in super Rugby. I think ultimately that
is a good thing for the competition. Another round of
course next weekend. They are those games I know. A
text message said next week looking just as great, certainly

(02:02:19):
as more Derby's next weekend Chiefs and Crusaders to kick
things off for Friday night reads more out of pacificat
sun Corp. Later that evening Hurricanes drawer on Saturday afternoon,
Ireland Is Blues to follow that Brumbies and a Western
Force to close out the round. Very exciting Super Rugby
Pacific twenty twenty five. Looking forward to next weekend. Already

(02:02:39):
they're all about do us for another weekend of weekend sport.
As I mentioned Piney back in tomorrow night on Sportstook
producer Randy thanks very much for your hard toil over
the course of the last forty eight Hours're gonna leave
you with a bit of Zach Brian musical interlude on
weekend Sport this afternoon here on news Talk zebb. It
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