Full Show Podcast: 17 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
EDB eleven thirteen. Good morning, Good morning, and welcome into
an elongated weekend Sport on News Talks ab IM Jason Pine.
The All Blacks have achieved a bonus point victory to
kick off their Rugby Championship campaign, beating Argentine of forty
one twenty four to six tries to three sever rees
with a couple of tries Summer Sauny toalkiaho off the
bench with two Cortez Latimer and Ardi Savilla also dotting

(00:44):
down Boden Barrett pretty good with the boot apart from
the last couple, but forty one twenty four on the
scoreboard doesn't really tell the story of the game. Let's
recap with our commentary team, Rugby editor Elliott Smith and
former All Blacks half back and Strawn And can we
start with the first twenty minutes of the second half?
What on earth went on there?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
I think we talked about it at half time Piney
that this Ardentinian team we're going to have to bring something.
They had lots of tidying up to do. Their were
ill disciplined. They couldn't hold onto the ball for periods
of time and hardly had manufactured getting into the red
zone into that twenty two. But as soon as they
got a few opportunities, and I think it was largely
off the back of our eras Pinty, just the ability
to catch and pass. It was a forward pass and

(01:24):
then some ill discipline around the penries, we actually provided
the Perma team an opportunity to get into that red
zone to attack, and of course it just was compounding
and then we lost. Procter came off the field as
well with down to fourteen. It was just a weight
of position and the weight of opportunities, and of course
they scored back to back tries and then the squeeze
really came on this or Black team after that.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Elliott, you mentioned, or both of you did during commentary
how much of work on the final twenty minutes of
test matches were meant to be In twenty twenty five,
it feels as though they passed that assignment where Argentina
were on the charge and got within seven. The All
Blacks did clear out, So will they be happy with
the way they negotiated their way out of what could
have been a tricky situation?

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Will be as we've touched on there, though I think
the problem might have moved to the first twenty minutes
of the second spell rather than the back end twenty
minutes of the second spell. But they were put under pressure.
Argentina got back to seven points. All the momentum was
with them. But the All Blacks, what I was impressed
with there was they just took a deep breath and
went back to their strengths. A lineout has been very
very good for them across the year so far, but

(02:27):
it was certainly a real weapon tonight. They just went
back to that taky Yaho came on, went back to
their strengths and were able to play the way that
they know and look to be honest. In that first tournaments,
they didn't have a lot of territory all position, but
once they did, they went back to their key skill
set and were able to just find a way to
increase that lead a little bit, give themselves a bit

(02:48):
of breathing space, and protect that win.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
You were fairly glowing in your praise of Cortez Latima
and during his fifty minutes on the field, which actually
extended but short to me. Surprised that they took him
off at that stage in the second half. But you know,
for a guy who I think has perhaps struggled to
re we ate or recapture the form that he showed
when he first came into an all black jersey, what
did you make of quartet fla in the nine jumper?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, probably one of his best test matches. Finally, I
Reckon in a black shirt. And for me, it's just
about him simplifying things for himself. You know, all he
has to do is just to do his job. He
has to get to rucks quickly, shift the ball nicely,
put it in body Barrett's hands so he can play
and orchestrate the attack and just not have to second
guess himself because when he does, his game becomes very

(03:33):
stagnant for periods of time, and then the flow of
our all black attack is really diminished through that. And
he just did everything right tonight. His kicking game was good,
he exeter when he needed to, he cleared to touch
when he needed to, and of course he kept moving
the ball and then when it opens up a little bit,
we know how good he is. He was explosive in
getting him behind Will Jordan to support him to score

(03:53):
his try, minimal errors, but just kept it pretty simple
and I thought it was a great test for him.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Elliot, it might be a bit early to ask this
question or even answer on your behalf, but having won
the first Test now with only one test left now
until South Africa arrive, and of course we will know
what happened tols Alice Park this morning, but I'm not
sure it changes the conversation around that Eden Park Test.
What do you expect in terms of selection for the
second Test in one a series a week today?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Look, I think there'll be a few tweaks to the team.
What wouldn't expect wholesale changes because they want to continue
this Rugby Championship momentum rolling through. But maybe is it
a chance to look at maybe a couple of different
players on the wing. Obviously Leroy Carter's in camp, do
you have a look at him maybe instead of a
sever rese who's a known quantity. Rito Yowani didn't probably

(04:39):
have his best Test match today, so maybe a look
at a couple of different players on the wing. I
can't say, can't see too much of the main axis
of the team changing. However, maybe Patrick toy Perloto comes
in for a start next week. With Fabi and Hollan
having put in big shifts in recent times. He saw
on Limp off the field late on. Maybe it's a
chance just to spin things around a little bit there

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and give toy per lot to a start maybe with obviously,
whilst so Teet coming back and is he at the
back of the strumble, would you reinject him on the
bench into mighty Williams coming back in so I don't
think it'll be wholesale, Piney, but it is a chance
to just make some tweaks around some parts of that team.
Not certainly the main axis, the nine to ten, the playmakers,
those sort of areas, but around the team. You might

(05:23):
have a look at maybe some different players with an
eye to that South African League coming up very very shortly.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Wonderful stuff, guys, look forward to your call of Test
two in a week's time Injuana series. That's and straw
and with expert comments and rug beata to Elliot Smith
with a call this morning and their summary of the game.
The All Blacks have one forty one twenty four in
cord Doba. News Talks B eleven eighteen Back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
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Speaker 5 (05:54):
News Talks Ab Christy to Jordi Barrett, keep cident a
touch with it, a touch fighter. He will probably want back.
It won't matter. Go back to number one in the
world for the first time since November twenty twenty one.

(06:15):
Forty one twenty four six strides to three act oney
old second spell from the All Blacks at times after
leading thirty one ten in the break, but they take
to win. They take back the top ranking of the
worlds and the Rugby Championships now are set up very nicely.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Indeed it is. That's the final seconds of this morning's match.
It's eleven twenty two here on News Talks AB. I'm
Jason Pine. This is Weekend Sport starting earlier. If you're
looking for Francesca today, she's been given the day off
given the timing of the Test match, and the same
will occur next Sunday as well. But what it does
give us the chance to do is to get stuck

(06:55):
into this nice and early. If you've got some early
thoughts on this All Blacks win over Argentina, any part
of it, lines are open immediately, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. We will here be for midday from a
member of the All Blacks coaching staff, currently of course
doing their debrief, But as has always been the case,
a member of the All Blacks coaching staff will be

(07:16):
made available to us in the hour or so after
the full time whistle. So looking forward to seeing who
that is, first of all, and what their thoughts were
on the game. But keen to hear your thoughts of
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will take calls straight
away on any aspect of the game that caught your
eye or caught your ear. If you were listening into
Elliott Smith and Ant Strawn, maybe you were doing what

(07:38):
I did and syncing up the radio with the television
to get the best of both worlds if you like. Look,
there were a couple of players who stood out for me.
But before I go off on my tangent as to
what I saw I'd be keen to know what you
saw the Wallabies.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Also, we woke to the news this morning. Well you
might have stayed up to watch it that the Wallabies
have mounted one of the all time great rugby comebacks
from twenty two nil down after nineteen minutes at Alice Park.
They've come back to beat South Africa thirty eight twenty two.
Astonishing stuff.

Speaker 7 (08:14):
Hello, Jason, Yeah, I really wanted to talk about that one,
but I don't think the producer's gonna let me.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh no, Jason, give us your thoughts on that first. Mate. Look,
you're on the air now, so I'm you know you
and I could make the rules cool.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
Yeah, look, I don't know if your bats could have
stayed something like that. That sets up an absolute monumental
letter slow series. I'm really fearful of the Wallabies. I
think they joke Smitt's got something there that all of
a sudden has got them like cage tigers. They looked
immensely powerful, but of course that came off and grawling

(08:50):
three series against the Lions.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
I suppose that put them up good stead.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I suppose, Well, what I thought, Jace was that they
would be perhaps a little bit you know, a little
bit fatigued from that, and like you say, it does
feel like it sets up a bit of slow Cup series.
But is it won and done? I'll need to see
more from Australia. Yes, fantastic result. First time they've won
in Johannesburg for sixty two years. That's older than both

(09:16):
of us, mate, So you know I'd need to see
more from them.

Speaker 9 (09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Look, I'm actually tough because this whole you know, bombquad thing,
that's it just shows you know, you just can't do
you can't just rely on that all the time. In
Australia just just just outmuscled them.

Speaker 9 (09:31):
So I was wrapped.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
All backs.

Speaker 10 (09:34):
Is it time?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Finey?

Speaker 7 (09:36):
I was actually quite happy. But is it time though
to finally say, look, Rico, you only your your days
are done?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
I haven't seen him sort of penetrate or do anything
Star Wars for countless tests now. I just think he's
he's just become a bit stale, very practable as well.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Thought he had a mixed day, Jose, Yeah, I thought
he had a mixed day. Suffered a knock on in
the first half, then missed a couple of connections in midfield,
and at one point when I saw him get the
ball out on the left wing, you know, albeit not
a heck of a lot of space. I'm just not
sure the pace was there. They always talk about Ricky
Jowani being one of the fastest going around in this

(10:19):
All Black side. I wonder whether Leroy Carter might get
a crack next week. We wait and see good to
chettiar Jase Mark Hold there, mate, back in the mow
eleven twenty five spear line to talk to the All Blacks.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty eleven twenty eight. This
is weekend Sport on news Talks. He'd be the extended edition.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open immediately
on the All Blacks or the Wallabies if you like,

(10:39):
can I mark?

Speaker 11 (10:41):
Yeah, Joe Smith, they're getting rid of them. That's a
bit of it's a bit of bad timing. They're just
just coming right. I think the Wallabies have improved. I
think since the second game against the Lions, I thought
they really have improved. I thought they were unlucky not
to win their second game in the series. And you know,
last night showed that Joe Smith has to be given
a bit of cuto, so I.

Speaker 12 (11:02):
Didn't really rate them.

Speaker 11 (11:03):
I thought that probably Farrell was probably a better him,
but I think he's proven himself to be fantastic. And
you know, you're going to give it to the Wallabies.
It wasn't a second string spring box side. It was
there was a full strength and yeah, they just unbelievably
from what were they doing twenty one nil or.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Something, twenty two nil after nineteen minutes and you know,
all of us you're thinking this is going to be
an absolute blowout. It's going to be you know, a
forty fifty point Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I thought. Yeah,
but then you have to hand it to them. We're
going to talk to Mark here Haines out of South Africa,
but later on the show, because I be keen to

(11:43):
know what he saw in terms of whether you know,
when you're twenty two nil up after twenty minutes, you
must think to yourself, okay, well this is in the back.
You know, I wonder whether there was coplace and see
whether they buttoned off. But even so, to score thirty
eight unanswered points, there's still a big, big achievement. In Johannesburg,
a place you haven't run for sixty years.

Speaker 11 (12:04):
Yeah, and I think probably the Lions could have, you know,
stealed them a bit more. I mean, you know, South
Africa get coming off playing well, Italy last or something.
Is probably a little bit of difference here. The All
Blacks game, I thought it was dominated by the rear. Unfortunately.
I thought the refs would have favored the Abs in
the first half and probably Argentina in the second. I

(12:27):
think the aerial game has not improved. I still think
the All Blacks are one of the worst. I mean,
the static kicking from Bowden, Barren and Jordie is great,
but any dynamic kicking really is poor. I can't see
why you put in a box kick to gain ten
meters of territory and handback position. And I think the

(12:48):
aerial they're just getting beaten every time in the year,
and a lot of the Cats just do not aren't
even contestable. I just I still, for the life of me,
can't understand what the hell they're doing training around this
because they've got some tall timber there, you know, I mean,
sev Rees is not going to win a high competition,
but you've still got Jordi, You've got Will Jordan. You've

(13:10):
got Rico on the other wing, the all players who
can jump and compete for the ball, but we just
seem to get out played in this area and it's
I don't I think if we're going to win, not
going to be good enough in this area against even
the Wallabies and the spring Bots, we're probably going to lose.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Or stop doing it. Is the other tactic. And as
you said, there the territorial gain. If the territorial gain
is only ten meters, so the kick's only going that far,
so it's obviously going very high but not very far,
then there should be chasers there, right. I'd understand if
the kicks going thirty meters, that's a bit harder to get,

(13:49):
you know, to get contestable ball from if you're a chaser.
But if it's only ten meters, you're right, that should
be fifty to fifty contestable.

Speaker 11 (13:57):
Really, I think there's high school teams that probably do
better than the All Blacks and the kicking and retention
of ball, but I just see it as a huge
area where they really could improve a lot, you know,
I mean, and I don't see that. I don't see
that game to game and I just can't understand it.

(14:18):
It just blows me away that it's such an important
part of the game now, because I mean South Africa
are going to box kick against does they do it
all the time, and if we can't win at least
fifty percent of those, we're going to lose the game
against those guys.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Thanks Mark, always appreciate your thoughts on the rugby mate,
and on all sports. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
don't forget Southland says this text. They were twenty two
year all down as well and came back to beat
Manuver two. Yes they did. It's the weekend of comebacks,
isn't it. In that regard, I must say it never
felt to me as though Argentina were going to win

(14:54):
the game even when they got back to what were
they thirty one to twenty four, and they had by
far the better of the minutes between halftime and about
what the sixtieth minute, sixty fifth minute around there? When
did Billy prop to get Sinburn? That was about the
fifty eighth minute from memory. But then you have to

(15:15):
give it to the All Blacks in a time where
last year they really had their issues. They they were
good summer Sawny Tokiyaho with a couple of tries off
rolling walls. One of them I think, in fact, maybe
both were while the All Blacks only had fourteen on.

(15:36):
Maybe the second one was when they were back to fifteen.
But certainly Tokiyaho's first try was scored when the All
Blacks only had fourteen men on. So you got to
give it to them. Last year. The stat that was
banded around a lot in all four matches the All
Blacks lost. Last year, they led at halftime twenty seven

(15:56):
away from mid daytim with you right after this eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty to talk some All Blacks.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
The big issues on and after field Call eight hundred
eighty eighty Weekend Sport with Jason.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Paine and GJ.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
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Speaker 10 (16:12):
News talks to Well Jordan.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
He steps through the tackle, nice run, Will Jordan, up
over the ten meter mac here support Cortiers right to
my lovely support line and right to we'll go under
the sticks for the your black stick.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
And here best of the tries I reckon Cortez Utima
running a nice line off Will Jordan, who just has
this elusive ability to get away from would be tacklers
and either score tries himself or on this occasion, set
one up. Actually six tries in the game and not
a single one to Will Jordan. He'll be gutted. They won't.

Speaker 13 (16:40):
Hello, Tim, Hey, Hey Piney.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
How are you very good?

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Tim?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
It's good.

Speaker 13 (16:46):
I really enjoyed your guys, your guys Comic Cree team,
as you'd be. I enjoy it here.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Excellent. Well I do, I do too. They're very good.

Speaker 13 (16:57):
Yeah, it's been, it's been in the Sky Comic Fee.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Well, I think it's just different, doesn't it, you know,
as you know, it's different on the radio, isn't it.
They have to paint the pictures for us, which of
course they do brilliantly, whereas the Sky guys really have
to just enhance them.

Speaker 13 (17:11):
Yeah, we had too many Yoo cards.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, that might be a bit of a head scratcher.
The Billy Procter one, I think was an obvious one,
and that that put the All Blacks into, you know,
under a bit of pressure, or you thought it would
have at a time where they were already under pressure
and they dinner obviously scored a try. I think shortly
after Billy Proctor left the field, the one.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
At the end.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I wasn't sure about the one at the end, Tim,
when when Anton went Brown collided with his opposite Yeah.

Speaker 13 (17:41):
I wasn't either, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wasn't sort at
yo card either.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah right, Tim. Well, l let's hopefully we're going to
get a member of the All Blacks coaching staff before
midday to get a view on that. The yeah that
I they'll be proud about. The last twenty minutes. I
reckon the All Blacks, you know, from the time when
they went down to fourteen men when Billy proctot center

(18:07):
off and just looking at the match minutes here, that
was in the fifty eighth minute. The momentum had shifted
by then. It was thirty one seventeen at that point.
Then Argentina went under the post about five minutes later
thirty one twenty two converted thirty one twenty four, so
without question, they had the momentum. Then it was game on.

(18:27):
I've written it down in my notes here. Game on.
But then the All Blacks I thought, steeled themselves really well.
I thought they something happened for them to rest back
momentum in the game, they got a penalty and rather
than take the shot at goal, which I think most
of us expected that they would, that would have taken

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it out to what thirty four twenty four, they said, no, no,
we'll kick for the line and then rolling wall some
of saunty Tokio who scores a try, and all of
a sudden it's thirty six twenty four. And then back
to fifteen when Antonylinot Brown came on for Billi Procter.
He didn't very long, did he. Bronny got yellow carded
himself about four or five minutes later. Again, I didn't

(19:10):
think it was a yellow card, but maybe we can
debate that. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our numbers. Seva Reese with two tries tonight and after
the game he spoke with the team on the ground
he in Cordoba. Here is the pre or rather postmatch
interview with Seva Reese, courtesy of our friends at sky.

Speaker 14 (19:32):
We are we severa ree Sell.

Speaker 15 (19:34):
Congratulations on the win, A great start in this rugby championship.

Speaker 14 (19:37):
Where are your feelings?

Speaker 16 (19:39):
Thank you so much, Yes, you know, it was good
to come away with the win here in Cordoba.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yeah, it was a tough game.

Speaker 16 (19:47):
You know, Argentina, they stuck with it right till the
last minute. You know, we had our moments and they
had the ears. But he was a good game. But
I'm just glad that we came away with the win.

Speaker 15 (19:57):
You said that you had moments. What can you tell
me about the good ones? What did you do right
and in the bad times? Why did you think that
l Pumas were closer to the results?

Speaker 16 (20:08):
Yeah, I think for us it was just that you
know those fifty to fifty that passes, or just our
discipline to as well, something that we're going to work on.
And we've seen what Argentina do. You know, they played fast,
indirect you know, they scored a few quick tries there.
But you know, I think when our subs came on,
they did a really good job to bring us home.

Speaker 15 (20:26):
In our personal level, what can you tell me about Argentina?
You wuty here in twenty nineteen, but today you scored
two tries.

Speaker 14 (20:33):
And what a try?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Say?

Speaker 14 (20:34):
Well, it fits Argentina to you.

Speaker 16 (20:38):
Yeah, Argentina is always in a very special place. You know,
I played my first game here and man, you run
out the crowd here? Is you know it is amazing
and you know we're looking forward again to to next
week and hopefully we have the same crowd in Buenos.

Speaker 15 (20:53):
Aires's, but not least in when Sires. What do the
Oil Blacks have to do to repeat again and maybe
to work on this week two to have another winning
this rugby championship.

Speaker 16 (21:02):
Yes, I think we'll well, we know, we'll really look
at our discipline, you know, that's where we we slept
off a little bit, and you know we'll come Monday
ready to go and hopefully come Saturday we're ready to
put on a good performance.

Speaker 14 (21:15):
Thank you very much on congratulations.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
That is Savary's score of two tries for the All
Black six in total in their forty one twenty four win.
It's an extended weekend sport today. Frank Bne's going to
join us after midday. We'll get inside the All Blacks
camp as well. And your thoughts and your your feedback
across the afternoon of course, could I.

Speaker 17 (21:37):
Phil okay finding who are you?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Very good things mate?

Speaker 18 (21:42):
Excellent Pixon?

Speaker 19 (21:43):
Well what about that? All the sale everything result, It's it's.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Subbly incredible, incredible. I mean I don't think anybody well,
first of all, before the game. I don't think many
people picked that Australia would win the game, let alone
come back from twenty two nil down to win at
thirty eight twenty two. It's an astonishing scoreline.

Speaker 19 (22:08):
Yeah, absolutely astonishing. What you say, you're only only maybe
a true hard, die hard Ossie fan, like a Warriors
fan would would would have backed them for that.

Speaker 20 (22:17):
But I.

Speaker 19 (22:20):
Think I've said to you in the past, like Joe Smith,
you know, like I really rate him as a as
a hell of a coach, and and I think the
Ossies have been coming up, and you know, I've been
thinking they're getting better and better, and yeah, under him,
I think they're going to be become pretty good.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
You know.

Speaker 19 (22:40):
I'm back to the old Ossie teams of old, with
the old John Eels and those when they used to
give us a real good run. Well not only the
All Blacks, but you know, the South Africans and anybody
they played.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
So and I guess the trick is the trick. The
trick will wait for them fellers to carry it on
when he leaves, because as we know, he's only there
until the end of the Rugby Championship. Liz Kiss is
going to take over Joseman. I think now will his
his job and he's well on the way to doing it,
as leaving the Wallabies in a better space than he
found them. But the big trick for Australia will be

(23:13):
to capitalize when Liz Kiss takes over as the new
coach and to build on what Joe Schmidt leaves him.

Speaker 19 (23:21):
Yeah, and I think because I said that, I also rate.
I'm also also impressed by the fella Kiss as well.
I just forgot his first names Kislev. Yeah, I'm also
I also think he's going to be a real good coach.
I might be wrong because I remember a fella rung
up after I did one time and said, oh, well

(23:43):
he's not that great because I said I rate him
and think he's going to better And yeah, I think
he'll carry on the mantle and he'll be learning as
much as he can from Smith there and soaking it
all in. And I think Joe Smith will leave him
with a lot of good ammunition, you know, to carry on.

(24:03):
So yeah, whether or not the same stand, I don't know,
but I think you'll put it in good, good stead,
as they say. But I just finished watching the All
Blacks game as well, the AB's there and yeah, yeah,
but patchie, but patchy at times, a few mistakes, a
bit of concern about that, not getting off to a

(24:25):
good start in the first ten minutes of that second
half and conceding a couple of points in that. But
I think what they did, you're saying, like they rated
Ardie Severe as man of the match on the pole
that they've just done on the after match skoy commentary thing,
and I think that was pretty much being on the mark,

(24:45):
because you know, they figured away, like one somebody said too,
like one of the either justin Marshall Willies I well
said that what was good about the All Blacks, even
though it was a bit patchy, they figured away what
to do after the Argentinian I scored the two really

(25:08):
good Troyes, and then Ardisa VI became the captain and
the captain who was passed on to him, and the
decisions that he made after that to keep the rolling
maull net gone because they could see that the Argentinians
were struggling with that and didn't really know how to
combat it. And then we got a couple we got
a couple of good tries with the rolling mall and

(25:30):
that was down to partly down to already making those
decisions to carry that on and again, you know, not
only that, but his own performance as per usual on
the field was great.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
But yeah, Philip was I've got a move, mate, But yeah,
I'm just looking at Artie stats. Fourteen carries, so obviously
that tells the tale of his influence there. But in
terms of tackles, New Zealand's best tackler was Jordi Barrett.
Fourteen tackles he made. Gee, he makes a difference. And
I thought Biden Barrett had a good game too. I

(26:03):
thought he had a good game as well. Called it
to twelve. Phil Thanks for your call. I'm with you
right after this on News Talks here, b this is
Weekend Sport a slightly extended addition. We're inside the All
Blacks camp. Frank Buns former All Black with us in
the next half hour or so as well.

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Speaker 21 (26:30):
Good mate, Yeah, good game.

Speaker 11 (26:32):
Then that he's a via made.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
He's captain America. That guy.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Oh incredible, Hey incredible.

Speaker 22 (26:38):
I just seed you talking about the Australian coach.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
He was a guy who used to play league.

Speaker 18 (26:43):
I'm I'm a I played league on my luck, mate.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
But I love the All Blacks.

Speaker 22 (26:46):
But Les kissed he was the least Kiss that played league.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Is it the same guy, mate, same blake? Yeah, same
b Like.

Speaker 21 (26:53):
Oh's the same guy?

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Say he's like Andy Farrell.

Speaker 22 (26:56):
He turns into a defensive coach and tends into the real.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
You got it man, That's exactly what he's done.

Speaker 23 (27:01):
Yeh know, he's coaching the poem's made and needs the
whole league player team.

Speaker 11 (27:05):
But anyway, lets you boy, well.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Good bell, thanks mate. Yeah, no, good clarification. Somebody else
asked that on text as well. Is that the same
let's kiss? Yeah it is. He played a bunch of
games for North Sydney when they were the North Sydney
Bears one hundred matches actually in the NRL, played for Australia,
played State of Origin for Queensland. Les Kiss His coaching career, though,
has been mainly rugby union defense coach with South Africa.

(27:29):
Then he spent time with the Bulls, the Stormers and
the Cats under twenty one Australian assistant coach, Waratar's assistant
Australia a assistant Irish, Assistant director of rugby at Ulster,
head coach at London Irish and then for the last
couple of years head coach at the Reds. So it's
been a yeah, quite the journey for les Kiss. When

(27:52):
that defense coach role that he had was in two
thousand and one, it was twenty four years ago. So
it's been a quarter of a century in rugby union
coaching for Les Kiss and he's finally going to get
the top job at the Wallabies. And look, it's funny,
isn't it. You know, we've just had an All Blacks Test.

(28:13):
But I think a lot of people probably want to
talk more about what they saw from what they saw
from the Wallabies. If you didn't get up to watch
it and you got up this morning to check it out,
it was it was quite something, absolutely astonishing stuff from
the Wallabees to come from behind and to win it

(28:34):
like that twenty two kneel down after twenty minutes south
everycka must thought. You know, this is in the bag,
this is in the bag, it's our ten to twelve.
Let's get you back to Cordoba where All Blacks captain
Scott Barrett is with the post match interview team. Courtesy
of Skysport.

Speaker 14 (28:53):
Scott buried with us.

Speaker 15 (28:54):
Scott, congratulations on this win, starting with the right foot
in this rugby championship.

Speaker 14 (28:58):
What can you tell me about this win?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, very pleasing.

Speaker 24 (29:02):
You were talking about starting well, I think we did
that and you know, the second half quite strong, a
bit of a statement there, and the second half were
a little bit slow and probably a little bit of
discipline feed their game, which was disappointing and allowed the
crowd to get him behind them and you know they
threw a lot of punches at us. But please that
the guys who finished the game were able to you know,

(29:25):
win a few arm wrestles, get some territory and you
know most have only come away with a good win.

Speaker 15 (29:31):
We were talking a couple of minutes ago with sever
a reason. He told us we had moments, you know,
very good ones and maybe with the discipline we let
the Boomers come closer in the score.

Speaker 14 (29:40):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 25 (29:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (29:42):
Sure, I think at times we showed you know, a
lot of great attack when we held the ball, but
at times, yeah, we feed their game a couple of
fifty fifties. They you know that they won and were
able to sort of pounce, and you know that they
were really good once they got down to the twenty two.

(30:04):
They sort of went through the middle of us, which
at us a little bit, but ultimately pleased with their
effort tonight.

Speaker 15 (30:10):
What did you like today that you want to rebeat
in when I say this in a week.

Speaker 24 (30:15):
Yeah, I think we'll reflect on tonight a lot of
what we expected we got tonight, and you know we're
looking to go to for two and we'll know we
have to be better next week last.

Speaker 15 (30:25):
But at least, how are you feeling from your injury?
You came back started playing today, but you played pretty
much of the game.

Speaker 14 (30:32):
How are you feeling?

Speaker 20 (30:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Feeling great?

Speaker 24 (30:34):
I'll stoke to be back out there and in amongst
the circle, and yeah, please that we've got off to
a good start in the Rugby Championship.

Speaker 14 (30:41):
Thank you very much on congratulations.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
That's Scott Barrett, captain of the All Blacks. Of course,
good to see him back. He did only play fifty
five minutes. I wonder whether that was managed minutes for
Scott Barrett having come back from injury. It seemed like
a fairly premature exit for him. In fact, your Blacks
made a lot of changes quite early on, didn't they.

(31:03):
They changed the entire front row. It would have been
I'm going to check my notes on this. Yeah, fifty minutes.
So ten minutes into the second half, the entire front
road changed. De Groot, Newell, and Taylor all came off,
Norris Tossi Tokiyahu came on, and at the same time
they took Cortez Latimarov and brought Finlay Christian and then

(31:26):
at the fifty five minute mark, Patrick Tweyblotu and Damion
Mackenzie on for Scott Barrett and for severa Reese. So
six of the eight substitutions were made fifteen minutes into
the second half. I know that they were probably thinking, Hey,
we're losing a bit of momentum here, so we need
to do something to arrest this. But yeah, I was

(31:48):
interested to see the All Blacks captain go off with
only fifteen minutes gone in the second half. Well, when
we get inside the All Blacks camp, we are still
attempting to get a member of the All Blacks coaching
staff to join us. It'll probably be after midday now
we can check on that. Just run through a couple
of texts that we have received before we go to

(32:09):
the midday news. David Campese looks a bit stupid now,
doesn't he says? Mark get campez he says this one
and see what he thinks now if you haven't caught
up with this, David Campeze, he did it on this
show too. But ever since Joe Schmitt took over, he
has been relentless in his criticism of Joe Schmidt in

(32:31):
all sorts of ways, the style of rugby that he's encouraging,
his selection, the fact that he's not Australian. David Campeze
has been absolutely letting Joe Schmitt have it over the
last well ever since he took over basically, and to
be fair, the results haven't gone the way the Wallabies
would have hoped in the time that Joe Schmitt's been

(32:51):
at the Helm. But are they now starting to just
turn a corner? The third and final Test against the
British and Irish Lions. Even the second Test they had
a chance to win that test. Remember there was all
that controversy at the end when the line and scored
a last minute try to win the second Test and
win the series. That was a very even Test match,

(33:12):
and then Australia coming back to win what was a
dead rubber third Test but still winning the Test and
winning it well, and then this morning this would be
one of the great Wallaby's performances, certainly, without a shadow
of a doubt, one of the great Wallabies comebacks. Coming
back from twenty two niil down after twenty minutes is

(33:32):
one thing, but doing it in a place like Johannesburg
at altitude, at a place you haven't won for so
long makes it so so impressive. Josey's Pine, Is that correct?
The Wallabies hadn't won in South Africa since twenty eleven
and hadn't won at Alice Park since nineteen sixty eight.
That's nearly correct, Joe, That is nearly correct. The first

(33:55):
win in South Africa since twenty twelve and the first
victory at Alice Park since nineteen sixty three, sixty two
years ago. To quote my good mate and rugby journo
Jamie wall on x or Twitter this morning, the last
time the Wallaby's won at Alice Park JFK was still alive.

(34:19):
That gives you some sort of indication as to how
long it has been. Pat says Jason regarding the Wallaby's
great victory. Did anyone see James O'Connor's last conversion attempt
the touch judges flagged it. I've replayed it six times
and it clearly went over. I guess it doesn't really

(34:40):
matter in terms of the result, Pat, I hadn't picked
up on that. This is Tom Wright's try right at
the end with four minutes to go that put the
seal on this. Yeah, James, I kind of missed conversion.
So Pat, you're pretty sure that went over. I'm gonna
have to have a look at that. I don't have
any any frame of reference, And he says piney isn't
Jo Schmitt still staying on as a consultant to the Aussies. Well,

(35:04):
if he is, Andy, it's a very goodiece of Burson,
because clearly he's got them doing something right. He's got
them doing something very very right, indeed from Nathan. So
great to see all teams in the Rugby Championship looking good.
It's been a long time since the Championship has been
this open. It's a very good point, Nathan, A very

(35:26):
good point. I thought Argentina showed, particularly between minutes forty
one and let's say sixty three, that they can be competitive.
We've actually known this for a while, haven't we beating
us in Wellington last year was just the latest chapter
in that. But yep, they are competitive. Great to see Australia.
I think we all thought Australia be a bit of

(35:46):
a whipping boy in South Africa. I certainly thought that
Capetown next weekend will be fascinating, fascinating to see how
they go over there. It's three away from mid day.
After Midday, Frank Buntz is on the show former All
Black Center with his views. We'll have an All Black's
assistant coach with us and plenty more of your calls
and feedback as we are this week.

Speaker 26 (36:08):
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It was the first time I've ever done it, and
I tell you what, I have never been so appreciated
in all my life. If you're feeling sort of like
no one's appreciating you these days, go and give blood
or plasma. They are hugely desperate for both giving blood.

(36:28):
It look the process takes about five to ten minutes.
Takes about an hour in total though to sort of
get organized at the beginning and to make sure you're
okay afterwards, and you will be absolutely fine. The plasma
takes about an hour and a half. You can do
plasma every two weeks. You can only give blood every
three months. It's only four times a year. But I'm
not kidding. I got embarrassed at how many people came

(36:50):
up to thank me for what I was doing, which
was a very simple, easy thing to do, hugely very well.
Looked out to cups of Tea's and Bickie's and everyone's
in there treating you like a saying And I actually
got a little bit embarrassed, but you could kind of
feel the desperation. If you have a moment, jump online,
go to nzedblood dot co dot z. As I said,

(37:11):
they desperately need blood, they desperately need plasma, and you know,
God forbid you or a family member or a friend
may need them.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
But you never know when this may happen.

Speaker 26 (37:21):
So it'll be wonderful if you've got an opportunity, go
do it. They will love you for it. Ziblood dot
co dot NZ. Right, we've got a couple of weeks
off because Rugby Your Blacks are playing Argentina, so we've
got no shows on the seventeenth or the twenty fourth.
We're going to be back on the thirty first with
the bests awesome Key we Band. Here's some old school

(37:44):
music from the Best. This is Future Me hates Me.
Jason Pine is up next. Thank you for being with us,
Thank you to care for dressing the show. Take care
of you in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Lain on your home of Sport
News Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Twelve oh seven. Welcome to Weekend Sport on News Talks.
There'd be on Jason Pine August seventeen, All Blacks forty one,
Argentina twenty four. We're going to get you straight to
cord Doba where All Black's assistant coach, Scott Hanson is
standing by. Scott, thanks for your time across New Zealand.
Only an hour or so after the full time whistler
is blind. Can we address the first twenty minutes of
the second half. First, how did you see that period

(38:49):
of the game from the coaching box?

Speaker 8 (38:52):
Hi?

Speaker 27 (38:52):
You officiley boring Jason, the word would be challenging. Not
so company sitting in the box watching that.

Speaker 28 (39:02):
Some messages are half around how we continue it off
by pressure? Didn't quite get that the way we wanted to.
There'll be some learnings, but we need to be better
than that.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well, you certainly were better though in the twenty minutes
after that, and I know you and the coaching staff
talked a lot about the last twenty minutes of test
matches last year. How happy were you with the way
you played in the final twenty of the game?

Speaker 28 (39:24):
Oh, you know, it's a fair question to the final twenty.
But let's take the context of the game and what
we're needed to do, and that was the car and
get a performance that gave us and what it gave
us was a bonus point one, So we'll take that. Yes,
we'll acknowledge the twenty minutes, the first twenty minutes in
the second half and also the end of the game.

(39:46):
Will we managed it better around our momentum? I defended
a we bit better in the middle of the field.

Speaker 27 (39:51):
And the like. So it's a fair question.

Speaker 28 (39:54):
But what we've got to understand also is we're happy
to get the bonus point one and get out of here,
take our learnings and we'll get into bon Azaria's next week.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
The first half performance twent you won ten at halftime.
What was your overall assessment of the first forty.

Speaker 28 (40:12):
Yeah, I think just watching it live and again, Jase,
I haven't watched it again, but sitting up and watching
it live. When we shifted the ball well, when we
had good momentum, we were hard to handle. So that's
really positive around our game. Plus a really good pressure
around our set piece. Obviously, I think we can be
really proud and confident of what our scrum and also

(40:33):
our driving them all gave us and this test, so
that's definitely really positive platforms to work off. Jason Ryan
doing a great job there for us, So a lot
of positives around that. What that gave us even working
into the second half when we needed to find a
bit of momentum, just their ability to go to our
forwards and go boys give us what we needed and
they did a great job for us.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, the set piece stat's really impressive. You want all
your line outs and a bunch of theirs as well
as scrum was strong. What was the reason for the
really good set piece showing in this one in your.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
Mind we've got a good pack.

Speaker 28 (41:11):
We've got a good pack that we're understood tonight. There,
So the end of the Test match when we needed
to play pressure in the air, especially to them all
in the corner, which essentially was us working to save
that bonus point and affords it.

Speaker 27 (41:25):
A fantastic job there applying the pressure in the air.

Speaker 28 (41:28):
And well led from the group and Scooter Barrett coming
back from injury and getting his fifty minutes in so
in some rotation and then with our substitutions coming on early.

Speaker 27 (41:39):
And just feeling the game.

Speaker 28 (41:41):
So a lot of real positives there around what we
can build off.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
You alluded to it there, but just to confirm Scott
Barrett was on managed minutes on his return.

Speaker 27 (41:51):
Was he Oh, not so much managed?

Speaker 28 (41:54):
Because he's All Black captain. We needed to do what
we need to do. We just felt for him because
he's come back and he's been out of the game
a little bit. It's just important that we set him
up well for the season. We're going well at that
time and the call was too We felt the momentum
was there and obviously we're going to look at that
and say, well, okay, we could have have been managed

(42:16):
possibly differently, but at that time for us, it was
the right call.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Did you see an improvement from the French series and
your team in key areas today?

Speaker 28 (42:28):
Yeah, I think we continue to improve is again around
our cpiece defensive in the middle of the field.

Speaker 27 (42:35):
At some stages there collision.

Speaker 28 (42:37):
Way is really good. There's always areas we want to
be better in and we'll go in. And the thing
with the boys coming in the shed Jason was a
lot of them said straight away, okay, well, obviously Monday's
review is going to show us this, but what we
have to acknowledge also is a lot of positives and
when we use the ball on our terms, when we

(42:58):
used our skill set well, as we discussed earlier, we
were hard to manage. So we're really happy to leave
Corde over with the bonus point and what's going to
be in a really challenging competition.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So what will this do in terms of your selection
for the second test. The fact that you've won taken
the bonus point, will that give you the opportunity to
tinker a bit or with this being the only test
now before you get back for that massive one against
South Africa and Auckland, will you look to roll out
your strongest side again.

Speaker 28 (43:29):
Oh, first and foremost, we'll grab the group and we'll
see where the our.

Speaker 27 (43:33):
Health wise is. One or two boards have taken.

Speaker 28 (43:36):
It was a tough test physically, speaking to the boys,
Pablomentari and it was a tough physical test. So we'll
all we gather tomorrow morning, we'll see where we're at.
We'll look forward to next week and we'll, as we
always do, select the group that we feel is going
to give us the best opportunity against what's going to

(43:57):
be Argentina.

Speaker 27 (43:59):
Are in our next test.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You Withdrew Cortez Latima after fifty minutes, can you give
us the thought process there?

Speaker 28 (44:07):
Oh, we had a good momentum and at that stage
we felt getting finlay On would give us what we
needed around that.

Speaker 27 (44:12):
We're also got to get some get him into our game. Also,
he's had a really good wink with us.

Speaker 28 (44:19):
He's got a great relationship with Body Barrett at team,
so we're really confident with that decision. Cortez gave us
some good energy of playing that game. It was just
the opportunity at that time to get finlay on. Now
he's got some minutes on the ABIT Jersey, he's away
more comfortable around that game, so we're happy with what
it did for him.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
The wouldn't takes you back to number one in the world,
Scott for the first time since November twenty twenty one.
I know it's not probably not a key motivator for you,
but is it a source of pride to be back
at the top of the world rankings.

Speaker 27 (44:53):
I'm sorry, I didn't know that. It's not something we've
spoken about this week. What we're speaking about is winning
this test.

Speaker 28 (44:59):
But if that's the case, then here we should be
better of that because what that's showing is that we're
working well, we're growing, and we're a team that honest
day can be the best in the world. So you know,
I think we should be positive and.

Speaker 27 (45:17):
Out of that as a nation.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, I think the fact you didn't know probably answers
the question. But yeah, it's a nice little byproduct of
the victory this morning and just before you go, you
probably haven't had the chance to watch it yet. But
what did you make of the news out of Johannesburg
Wallaby's thirty eight spring box twenty two.

Speaker 27 (45:34):
Unbelievable, unbelievable, what's the first half?

Speaker 28 (45:38):
We had meetings in the second half and I thought
the South Africans were dominant in the first half. A
great teste from the South Africans and then to hear
the result of the second half, that's fully there's nothing
guaranteed around Test match footy. Obviously the Wallabies have gone

(45:59):
at a half time, they've been clear, calm. There was
opportunities in the first half, but they've stayed there. Listening
to guys that I've watched the game, it sounds like
they're really resilient defensively. Took some moments long long field
position in regards to try as having to work for

(46:19):
a distance. I spoke to Ardie about it and we've
bove said, well, that's test footy and there's nothing guaranteed
in it. So well on to the Wallabies and it's
going to be a fantastic competition in the Rugby Championship.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Well onto the All Blacks as well. Scott enjoyed this
result or the best for a great week ahead as
you're prepared for bonus ares. Thanks for joining us across
New Zealand and ZB.

Speaker 27 (46:41):
Thank you mate, really appreciate that. Thank you, Jason, all.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
The best, Scott, thank you indeed, Scott Hanson. They're joining
us from as you can probably hear, just outside the
changing sheds in Cordoba, where the All Blacks have achieved
victory by forty one points to twenty four. We wanted
to get to Scott Hanson pretty much straight away. Frank
Bunks is going to join us in the next half
an hour or so. But your calls and texts and
feedback on this test match are well and truly welcome.

(47:06):
We are up in the show around about eleven fifteen.
You might not have been aware of that. You might
have been doing your normal Sunday morning things. We did
have a few calls and quite a bit of feedback,
but your feedback is absolutely welcome on the show as always.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our phone number,
nine two nine two. I've got a bunch of things
that stood out for me in this game. I'm sure

(47:26):
you'll have some as well. We're get to break away
Frank Bunch shortly, and then your calls on the Test
match here on Weekend Sport on News Talks Hebb.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
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and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ. Gunnerholmes,
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Speaker 2 (47:45):
News Talks AB and Weekend Sport. It is nineteen past midday.
The All Blacks have got there in Cordoba for you.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
All Blacks go back to number one in the world
for the first time since November twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, that's the byproduct of a forty one twenty four
win in Cordoba this morning. Let's in one of the
great All Blacks midfielders sixty nine game fifty five tests
All Black center Frank Bunce once you would have watched
with interest. I know, as you do all All Blacks tests.
How happy you reckon? The All Blacks coaches will be
overall with that performance before we drill down into parts

(48:21):
of it.

Speaker 22 (48:22):
Hey, hey, Finy, I think they'll be satisfied. I mean
it's a it's a good win over a you know,
over a pretty tough, pretty confident Pumas team and to
end over there as well. You know, obviously there were
there were parts that you know, that we need to
improve on, but I think all and all, they'll be

(48:43):
pretty satisfied.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
First bit of the second half, the twenty minutes from
halftime through until about minutes sort of let's say sixty
sixty five, when Argentina did have momentum. What is the
best way to combat that on the field, What what
sort of conversation should have been going on as Argentina
started to get a bit of a head of steam up.

Speaker 22 (49:02):
I think you you just concentrate on your basics, you know,
the what you need to do defensively, you know, just
making sure you're all connected, you're all talking, you know,
you should just making sure that you are where you
where you need to be, you know, at a time
because you know, as we know, all all games, all
test matches, and that there's there's ebb and flow. So

(49:26):
Argentina had that obviously, and we you know, we'd made
a few changes as well, so I think it was
just time to settle in and just just do it's basics. Really,
to be honest, there's a lot of talking. You know
that there's a saying that you know, the more you
talk the less you actually have to tackle. So just
making sure you're making sure you're connected, you know, and

(49:48):
you know, you know where where everyone is, and you
just go through and trust what you do.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Love that. Did you ever think that, you know, they
got back to within seven Argentina did it? Did you
feel as though they might come over the top of
New Zealand or did you always feel confident that enough
of the right things were being said out there for
for New Zealand to negotiate their way through it.

Speaker 22 (50:10):
Yeah, No, I was. I was pretty confident. And and
the way that we started to dominate, you know, our
line out, you know, really clicked, and and then that
rolling mall, you know, they had real, no real answer
for that, you know, and so I think our forwards
really were we were starting to kick into into gear.

(50:31):
So you know, there's obviously never say never, but I was,
I was pretty confident, especially the way the forwards were going,
you know, at that point, were always starting to go
starting to rumble.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
How do you reckon Billy Proctor is going in in
the third a Jersey.

Speaker 22 (50:49):
He is, well, yeah, he's he's not doing anything wrong.
You know, there's there's a few you know, odd mistakes
and stuff, but I think, you know, to be honest,
I think you can do better. He's a better player
than that. But it's it's a matter of matter of
of slotting in and and figuring out just test level
rugby is a is a different beast. You know, he's

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no doubt got the ability and now he's just got
to find I think, find his game really and and
become a lot more confident. And uh, you know, I
think he you know, then he moves on and leaps
and bounds.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
How how did how long did it take you from memory?
And it's a little while ago, I know, but it
seemed like you got you adjusted to test rugby fairly quickly. Yes,
you've played for some more, but when you came into
the All Blacks, it felt like you were the finished
article already. How long does it take?

Speaker 22 (51:40):
Oh no, I certainly wasn't. I took me to to
get confidence in yourself, you know, and then you know,
he's everyone's different. You look at Wallace a Titi, you
know who just he's a staff from the moment he
takes the field. But you know the other people just
take a little bit of time to, you know, just

(52:01):
to get used to the pace of the game, the rhythm,
you know, which if I find out what you you
know what you can and can't do, and what you
need to do, and preparation is a is a huge thing.
And as I say, everyone's different too. It took me,
took me a number of test matches before I got
my confidence, and you know, might have looked possibly on

(52:22):
the outside, you know, as though I really knew what
I was doing and I was into it, but there
was a there was a lot of work going on
behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
And certainly a lot of work to do for a
senter on both sides of the ball. And and you know,
we always think of the good centers as those like yourself,
Joe Stanley and others who set up there outsides with
ball in hand. But then we think about defensive strategy
and the way you get up in people's faces and
make tackles. As he's learning his trade, the lead, should
he be focusing on one or the other more?

Speaker 22 (52:54):
Uh, it's hard, especially at test match at the level.
You know, I think you go through everything. He's obviously
got strengths and you know, and he'sbviously got weaknesses or
parts of his game that you know that that he
knows himself that he can improve on. I don't know
what they are, to be honest exactly, but you know,

(53:16):
I don't think you can concentrate concentrate on your weaknesses.
I guess, you know, make yourself. You know, you've got
to become competent at the things that you're you're not
so good at, you know, because there's no real place
to hide, you know, at that level. But you know,
he's he's got all the goods. He's definitely got all
the goods. So it's just a matter of just a

(53:39):
matter of finding, you know, finding yourself. I think in
the end, he's got to work in you know, they're
they're chopping and changing, you know, people that he's playing with.
The game itself has changed. You know, there's there's so
many there's so many different facets that you know, it's
it's it's hard to pinpoint.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
So just back to the overall performance, is that the
all Blacks. I mean they get the one right, I
get the bonus point. You know, mission accomplished as far
as that is concerned. But they're always on this quest
for constant improvement and looking at how they can do
things better. If if there were one or two things
that I'll be looking to do better in the second
test in a week from now, Any idea what they

(54:17):
might be focusing their retention on across the week.

Speaker 22 (54:21):
I think, you know, early on they it's a lot
of the timing, well not a lot of it, but
you know, some of the timing was was out, especially
you know with the becks, and and you know, we
we we saw drop bare, we saw we saw some
some poor passing, timing, you know, miss timing and things

(54:42):
like that.

Speaker 18 (54:43):
I think it's.

Speaker 22 (54:46):
I think it's it's reasonably small things, you know, and
we haven't had a game for a little while. We've
got a few new names in there, so it's it's
kind of settling. But I think I think accuracy really
because we you know, we started pretty well, got ourselves
in a little bit of stripe, you know, but but

(55:06):
but took what Argentina had to had to give, and
I don't think, you know, at any stage really were
we under under too much pressure. So in terms of
going into next week, I think accuracy really is one
of the main focuses.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Did you did you say that, I don't know if
you saw the game, but that result out of Joe
Berg this morning Australia coming from twenty two nil down
to put thirty eight unanswered points on the spring box.

Speaker 22 (55:31):
Exactly. Man, no one was expecting it. And I think,
was it your show yesterday with that guy he was
he was betting one hundred and fifty bucks.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, he could have beat the thirteen plus of one
two and a half grand exactly.

Speaker 22 (55:43):
That's that's actually what came to mine first, the first thing.

Speaker 18 (55:47):
But oh that guy we going, oh what do you
take the soccer?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I think yeah he won that one as well, which
was okay, but yeah, he would have won. But then
who would have taken that bet? Though, Buzzy, you know.

Speaker 22 (55:57):
Exactly exactly you may have gone because you know, you
weren't actually fronting up with the money, that's right, you know,
so it wasn't yours to losing the first place.

Speaker 18 (56:06):
But yeah, no one would have picked it.

Speaker 22 (56:09):
I'm pretty sure, you know, even the no you'd have
to say, even some of the you know, the Wallaby supporters,
I doubt if a lot of them would have would
have bet any money on it.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I reckon, you're right, I reckon, you're right. Sets up
a fascinating Rugby Championship. Hey Frank, always good to chat mate.
Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 22 (56:25):
Yeah, mate, not a problem.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
All the best. Frank Bunch are one of our best.
And the thirteen jumper with some salient thoughts there on
the All Blacks performance this morning. All right, you've heard
from Scott Hansen, you've heard from Frank Bunch, You've had
an hour and a half to think about it. Let's
hear from you. Your chance to react now. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If today has taught us
anything it is that seemingly comfortable leads can become uncomfortable

(56:51):
pretty quickly. South Africa tweety two Nillahead losing thirty eight
twenty two. The All Blacks are head thirty one to
ten at halftime. Argentina got back to within a converted
try at thirty one twenty four. You simply cannot relax
and test rugby, and it's not just test rugby. A

(57:13):
text before Midday pointed out that Southland did exactly the
same thing against manaw two the other night. We were
they twenty two nil down. Maybe twenty two nil is
a very dangerous lead. Maybe that's the off'm talking football about.
Two nil being a dangerous lead. Maybe in rugby twenty

(57:34):
twenty two nil is a dangerous lead because on Friday
night down in the Vicargol it was twenty two nil
to Manawit two at half time over Southland and twenty
nine unanswered points in the second half, so comebacks can happen.
Excellent first half from the all Blacks thought they were

(57:56):
really good. They did everything with intent. They scored some
good tries, they kicked well for fueled position. They put
pressure on and earned a number of penalties. A couple
of tries from sever Reese, a rolling mall from it

(58:16):
looked like Cody Taylor, but he handed it off to
Ardie Savia and Cortez Latimer's try running off the shoulder
of Will Jordan I thought was exceptional. So excellent first half.
The twenty minutes after halftime is the one is the
segment of that game if we break it into quarters.
And this isn't rocket science, I know, but that'll be

(58:37):
the twenty minutes that furrow the brow of Scott robertson,
of Scott Hansen, Jason holland Jason Ryan, all of them.
That'll be the that'll be the part of the game
that they will be looking at what did you see
in that time? Because it just seemed to happen all
of a sudden, didn't it. All of a sudden. Argentina

(58:59):
were kind of getting their way back into the game.
Look back at some of the notes that I made
after half time, and I said, scrap. I've written out
here scrappy first ten in the second half, and then
ten minutes later, I've got scrappy second ten in the
second half. Absolute momentum shift. I thought the decision to
change players around the fifty minute mark was interesting to

(59:21):
Grout and Neil Taylor all Off entirely changed front row,
and I thought they were scrummaging very very well. Set
piece was really good. Didn't lose a single line out
tonight the All Blacks or today. The removal of Cortez
l Artima, though, was the real mystery to me. I
thought he was having one of his best test matches.
And when Cortez l Artima came into the All Blacks,

(59:42):
he he really made an impact, didn't he In that
twenty one jumper to start with? I thought he had
one of his best test matches. I thought taking him
off with ten minutes gone in the second half was
a strange decision. Finlake Christy, though, I think gave a
pretty good account of himself, given the fact hasn't played
with the All Black since the first part of last year.

(01:00:06):
Other things to catch the eye. I thought Boden Baron
had a good game. I know opinion has always divided
on Bode him. I've got a couple of texts to
this to this effect already, But I just think he
is a steady hand in the ten jersey for the
All Blacks. Never looks rushed, never seem stressed. He'll look
at his kicking game, his kicks and play, and he

(01:00:27):
wasn't one hundred percent, but his goal kicking is good.
He only missed those two conversions at the end, by
which stage the All Blacks pretty much had it in
the bag anyway. But I just think he's a He's
a steady hand. He's the best guy to be in
the ten jersey right now. Talked about Cortesla to my
Ardi Savie, excellent again. He's got thirty test tries now,

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you know, thirty three to zero, fifteenth on the all
time list. That's more than Dan Carter, more than Aaron Smith.
One short of Mananu and they've all played more test
than he has, so Adi Savie standing out again Vity
and the six jumper. I think they'll go with that now,
won't they. I think that's what they'll do if we

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look at that South African Test at Eden Park on
the sixth of September. I think that's who plays in
the six jumper and in the lineout when two por
Viti plays, There's just it makes such a huge difference
at lineout time. When you've got Fabi in Holland and
Scott Barrett, and you add two por Vaty in the
you've basically got three locks, three lineout targets. Add Artie

(01:01:37):
Savia who can also win lineout, and there's plenty of options,
heaps of options. And I thought the referee had a
pretty good game of honest Pierre Bruce. I thought he
had a good game. Yellow card at the end was
a bit strange for Anton lennot Brown. Otherwise I thought
he had a good game. Oh eight hundred and eighty

(01:01:58):
ten eighties an animal. Let's get some feedback from you,
Greg hi mate.

Speaker 21 (01:02:03):
Afternoon Piney. Fairly fairly good game, bit scratching in places.
I think the all Blacks really need to read that referee.
He is really really pedantic. And there was a few

(01:02:23):
few times there where they sort of good things they
knew they didn't didn't need to and got ping for it.
But so did the The argis my my thoughts about
why they took off court was only one thing was
to give Christy some time. Yeah, he hasn't been all

(01:02:46):
black fault all that for some time, and so that
I think would be only the rationale why he did it.
So that Christy he get his hands on the ball,
get out there and play with the boys.

Speaker 14 (01:03:02):
Just on that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, sorry, great, just on that before you move on.
Just on that. And Scott Hansen said exactly that. He said, look,
Finlay's had a good week with us. We needed to
get him back in the black jersey, get him out
there for half an hour. I totally get that. I
just don't think it. Rewards are really good fifty minutes
from cortez Raatima, But.

Speaker 21 (01:03:21):
I think you're playing you're playing a team sport. You
know how many, how many totally twenty three You really
need those twenty three all to be able to jump
on at any stage and fit into what's happening. On
the field, because same thing with taking off. Basically any

(01:03:44):
of the players that were out there, nobody was doing
anything wrong, and so really my thoughts would be just,
you know, no need to give him rid of experience.
Some of then't played for some time, especially not in
that environment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, no, no, good point, Rick, good point. Yeah. I
feel like if I'm Cortez Rautam, I've had a really
good fifty minutes and I think are yeah, and they
all the jersey is bigger than all of them, of
course it is. I just thought when he came off,
Argentina had started to kind of you know, the first
ten minutes of the second half was Argentinas, but they
didn't score any points. Then they made the changes and

(01:04:22):
it was straight away after that they scored off that scrum,
didn't they It was fairly ordinary set piece defense from
us actually, And it's thirty one seventeen. I don't think Latimer,
Degrout and Newell and Taylor even sat down. But yeah,
I was really pleased for Cortez Latima, I have to say,
because there's been a bit of heat on him. Noah
Hotham was coming up fast. We all know how good

(01:04:43):
cam Roy garters but yeah, I thought Cortez had a
good game. Thanks Greg, Drive safe mate, Hi Roger.

Speaker 10 (01:04:50):
Hi Piney. Yeah, dis serving on that. I think there's
probably been a decision made the only way to build
this E three football player depth is to give him time.
I mean, South just been doing it for all thirty minutes.
Whether rapped and they had a sort of a crappy
game or not, I'm sure he would have got subject.
So I think he'll just take that with a grain
of salt. He'll be proud of his performance and he'll

(01:05:11):
go again next week. It's number six. I'd like to
talk about two potent. Oh my god. He looked like
he was having so much fun out there. Man, he's
just bouncing people around us. Oh man, I mean I
haven't caught your entire show with the vote that's popping
the mad butcher and get some I can breast for
my son. But the other one I really wanted to
talk to you about, mate quickly, was number seven. Carefie.

Speaker 25 (01:05:31):
Oh.

Speaker 10 (01:05:32):
I don't know if you've touched on it too much today,
but I just felt like, how many minutes did he play?

Speaker 21 (01:05:37):
Have you got it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Is he eighty or yeah? He played the whole lighty minutes.
I'll just confirm that. But yeah, yeah, you know, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (01:05:46):
No, I love him, mate, seventy five minutes, you're still
bouncing up and around like you just started the game.
It's next a missing mate. That energy is just so,
that's letter can physical. The fitness is near the street.
I think he'll be fine against the big Bopper's mate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Oh, Roger, I'm so pleased to hear you say that,
because I thought when you started, when you said the
number seven, I thought you were going to say what
a lot of people have said to me, and that's
that he's not big enough. But I think his heart,
his heart is big enough. I know that's a little
bit cliche and maybe a little bit corny, but you're right.
He played that. Yeah, he did play the whole eighty minutes.
He was bouncing around. He's a bit of a hype man.

(01:06:22):
I like him.

Speaker 10 (01:06:23):
Unreal me too, mate, And like, hey, those fours aren't
stare are they?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
No? No, they're not Argentina Rassal. Yeah, but no, No,
it'll be interesting, rog because I think when Wallace a T.
T Is fit, it's probably Wallace to tt Ardie sa
via tupul Vai. I think that's probably the loose trio.
But I think Duples has got a role to play,
be it from the starters in this game or off
the bench to add that energy.

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
Hundred. But he's at the level of me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
He's there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
He is, indeed, Roch good to chat to you, mate,
got a move, but always enjoy chatting Raby with you.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty a j what
did you make of it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
You want to talk Wallaby.

Speaker 8 (01:07:03):
Congetulations that the pressure and Kembo needs to stop one
of really smoking mate, Like you know, it was cool
this week that goes. I don't know what he's talking about.
My god, did he looked like a fool this morning?

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Now? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
He Honestly the number of online comments I've seen saying,
David Campez he has to eat a mess of slice
of humble pie incredible And I feel happy for Jose,
But I mean he's one of ours, isn't he really is?

Speaker 8 (01:07:29):
He's one of the else? Yeah, and I really building
that son and do that's got believed you? Like what's
his name?

Speaker 22 (01:07:36):
Tom?

Speaker 17 (01:07:36):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:07:36):
He was absolutely upstanding in the game this morning, apart
from his first bootoo. He dropped the high ball. But
a part on that I don't need to spring box
realize how quickly when he was well, he writ like
he was coming through hot three butter. But I want
to talk about my mate COURTI rather my teeth. I
thought he hit his fist game this morning. I thought
he was absolutely upstanding to the and when he was

(01:07:57):
first prick for the teeth and all that. That's what
that Adam was a quick passing like he's got the
most secret passing the out of all four half bicks
and like mister when we come up at fifty minutes
and whatnot, and also couldn't buy like he's just grown
and growing and growing. But I don't think I do
have a problem with Relly Poduct and I listened to
Franklin and whatnot. He's just making too many mistakes on

(01:08:19):
me mate. Twice he went up and out of the line,
which I don't have a problem with that. If you're
going to go down the line, you've got to make
that spot tackle on twice he can do that this morning.
And then then as to rugby, if you do that
against Jessy quill or, Damon de Lingez, doug On mate,
Doug go On, that's a tribe you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yeah, Jay, I look, I agree. I thought it was
another mixed out thing for Billy Procter. I still think
he's finding his way at test level. I do like
the fact that he's been given the opportunity to do that.
But yeah, I think he'll look back and he'll he
won't be happy. He'll he'll look at things that he
needs to do better. But I do like the fact

(01:08:56):
that they're giving him a crack there, and and I
feel like he'll play next week in the thirteen Jersey and.

Speaker 8 (01:09:02):
What about a call for twenty twenty seven in Australia.
So all bit center and your rona man as he
looked on fire like he was just standing the super
rugby for the Chiefs. But since he's gone back to Taranaki,
he looks like he's playing above everybody else.

Speaker 17 (01:09:15):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:09:15):
He's just been outstanding in my opinion. And I think
that he'll go away with All Black fifteen end of
this year, and then by next year he might be
in if he carries on plane because Anton Len's going
on a sabbatical this year. He might be in the
All Backs next year. Anyways, Finny I wanted to ask you,
are you going to do those pub tours we' hit
those second because I'm going to be at All Bleacks
in in Wellington but Austin Eden Park mate. Yeah, so

(01:09:36):
are you gonna have to like you did in Hamilton?

Speaker 27 (01:09:38):
Mate?

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
Are you going to have a a j.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
We have had just had it confirmed this very week
mate that yes, we're going to be. We're going to
be at the Kingslander in Auckland between midday and three
on the sixth of September.

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
That's the sea that plays very well King's nameda Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, pop across and see us, and then the following
week in Wellington. We're just confirming the venue, but will
definitely be out and about, so we'll let you know
in due course. But we'd love to see you on
the sixth at the Kingsland of.

Speaker 8 (01:10:04):
Mate, all right, marke the date?

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Thinking very up?

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Thanks hja mate, good chiefs man by the sounds of it, George,
hold there, I've got to get a breakaway with you
right after the spear line there to talk all Blacks
eighteen to one back in a moment on weekend sport.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
It's bang on quarter to one, George, thanks for holding
make good afternoon.

Speaker 17 (01:10:31):
No probs piney Hey, hey, funny story on that bit yesterday.
I was trying to ring up for that bonus bit
as well, and when I heard the mid range rodge
was Sunderland defeat west Ham. I couldn't have gone for
that because West tam And might team in the Premier League,
so I would have done that Ossie thirteen plus.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
And unreal, unreal, honestly, George, Well, Frank Bund said it before.
It good to know that Frank Bunch listens to the
show when he's not on the show. But I thought
when I saw that, I thought that was my first
thought as well. Is that our caller yesterday could have
been two and a half grand richer.

Speaker 17 (01:11:03):
Yeah, it would have been outstanding.

Speaker 11 (01:11:05):
It was.

Speaker 17 (01:11:06):
It was the result from the and great for the
championship pay on those all blacks and a lot's being
said at Tubo A. I think he's a shoeing for
number six. But if anything, because Harbi and Holland is
just the dead set first on the team feet for
Locke at the moment, say like, he's just been so impressive,
how he's he's got himself accustomed to the international level

(01:11:28):
and he's got a huge bendin Fabian Holland is kick
CAAs and defensively the tackles he makes, he's he has
just been a sivilation the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
For oh and it just you're right. It just frees
up to Paul Vity, doesn't it. Because if if Fabian
Holland had, you know, had this is totally hypothetical, if
he if he hadn't made the step up, if he
got to test rugby and it hadn't been something that
he immediately agreed with, then there would have been a
bit of pressure. I know we've got Patty tops as
well and scott Board obviously, but but it has just

(01:11:59):
freed up the strategy, hasn't it of too Paul Vi
in the six jumper.

Speaker 17 (01:12:04):
It certainly has, and it actually had a huge difference.
He and been able to have Petty Tooops on the
bench as well. I know sometimes with that split that
I've been keeping two Lucies on, but he added.

Speaker 8 (01:12:14):
A whole lot as well.

Speaker 17 (01:12:15):
I thought just that frame coming on to the bench
and Injy himself. So I thought it was extremely impressive.
Forty fit and maybe a little bit more to go
in the backs, but all in order could result.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
So west Ham not the result you're after. You're after that.

Speaker 25 (01:12:34):
George, not at all.

Speaker 29 (01:12:36):
I know.

Speaker 17 (01:12:36):
I was always good to have the Premier League kick
off and get your English punter on the show yesterday
giving us the preview. So not the life of a
west Ham fan. Hey, just quickly, Piney a shout out
to my nana if she's listening. Ninety two years you
and she's a big fan of your show, Piney and
in her ears always pluck up a little bit when

(01:12:58):
George gets on the line, So have a good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Sunday and then love it George, love it mate. Back
to your family now, good to Chanty as always enjoy
your calls and Galadia Nan as well.

Speaker 30 (01:13:08):
Hey ash oh, Jason, Hey, just like the reference Scott
your interview with Scott Hanson earlier in the program. A
couple of times he tried to justify the early sub
of Ratama and a few others as momentum. You know,
the all backs had no momentum in that there's twenty

(01:13:31):
minutes of the second half, the momentum was all with Argentina,
so that's out of bollocks, and it really should just say, well,
it was a premeditated thing where we were always going
to bring the subs on at fifty or sixteen minutes.
It had nothing to do with the where the game
was sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Well, because I thought what he meant was and then
I thought he meant that that they were losing momentum,
and then I listen, but that's what or sorry, that's
what I thought he was going to say, is that
Argentina had a bit of momentum, so we needed to
make some changes. But yeah, I think you're right. I
think you said we had momentum of that stage. I
just thought it was an odd decision. I've always been

(01:14:10):
of the view that that half back in particular and
to a lesser extent, hooker, but half back particularly if
they're playing, well, leave them on for eighty you know,
that's my view on it.

Speaker 30 (01:14:20):
Yeah, yeah, well I agree, And he said it twice
because that's what I thought initially too, that he was
talking about Argentina, But no, he was talking about the
all black supposed momentum. The other point I'd like to
make about the ill discipline. Two yellow cards.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Do you know if there are.

Speaker 30 (01:14:37):
Any cards in the South Africa Australian match.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I will check for you just while I do that.
What did you think of the second one, the Anton
Lennett Brown won.

Speaker 6 (01:14:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I didn't think it was a yellow card.

Speaker 30 (01:14:52):
I guess you could say maybe it was clumsy, but
I don't think there was intent there. He wasn't trying
to take that player out of the contest. I think
it was just clumsy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Yeah, I didn't think it was a yellow card. It
just struck me as very odd. I think the Billy
Procter one was.

Speaker 30 (01:15:11):
But yeah, I think it was deliberate. It wasn't deliberate obstructure.
That's the way I saw it. I saw it as accidental.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Yeah, no yellow cards in the earlier game. No yellow
cards in the early game.

Speaker 30 (01:15:23):
Okay, well we're leading that contest to then.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
It's a metric that we can that we can chalk
up ash. Yeah. Like I said, I didn't think that
Anton Lena Brown was a yellow card. Maybe it was
by the letter of the letter of the law. That
didn't seem to be a heck of a lot of
complaint from the All Blacks afterwards. By that stage the
game was won, and maybe if it was a bit tighter,
you know, there might be more said about it. I
just thought Antony Lena Brown and it was a it

(01:15:48):
was a rugby incident. It happens players at high speed
run into one another inadvertently as often as deliberately. So
I thought anton Lena Brown was but stiff actually getting
a yellow card. It only just come on, I didn't
think that was a yeah, that was I didn't agree
with it. Coming up nine away from one, we're are

(01:16:12):
going to talk the Australian Wallaby, the Wallaby's Springboks game
after one. I know a lot of you want to
talk about this. I know a lot of you. I
don't know how many of you got up to watch it.
It's a pretty uncivilized time to watch a game of
rugby three o'clock in the morning. But of course many
of you, I'm sure would have got up and watched
a replay or even some highlights. You've seen the score

(01:16:32):
and you've seen the ebbs and flows of this game.
So yeah, quite keen to chat about that with you
after one o'clock. Mark Keohan, a good made out of
South Africa was at Ellis Park. Be keen to hear
from him, but we've got about a minute or so,
a couple of minutes left to talk some more All
Blacks if you'd like to get your point across. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails
Weekend Sport with Jason him News Talk Zenvy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Coming up five to one. Good I Henry.

Speaker 31 (01:17:04):
Jackson, how very good thing. The couple of things carefi
man at the match just fantastic, you know, just every
second of the game. He was working the the anton
Leonard Brown. To me, that was a penalty to the
All Blacks. That was a lazy runner in front of

(01:17:25):
the ball. The guy taking the ball. I don't even
know why. I mean, there was a mistake he made
when he hit him, but the guy was in front
of the ball, guy carrying the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Well when they when I heard the referee say, oh
we've got we're going to check for foul play, that
was my immediate thought, Henry was foul play against you know,
basically an Argentinian you know, doing something wrong.

Speaker 31 (01:17:51):
He was a lazy runner, right, in front of them,
right in front of the play if that that shot
from Leonard Brown's and he couldn't even see where the
ball went. The guy was straight in front of the guy.
So anyway, all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Over, well it is yeah, mate, that's Henry. That is
absolutely it. You take it a good win. It is
a good win. You know, four in a row now
at the start of this season. The most of the
All Blacks won in a row last year was five.
So if they can you know, get the job done
and won a series and get back on the plane
with you know, maybe another bonus point win, then I'll

(01:18:25):
be looking good for the Rugby Championship. Philis is unfortunately
piney by the letter of the law these days it
is a yellow cart. But like you said, I don't
think there was any intent. It's a shame we can't
bring common sense and human judgment into it, but these
days the referees don't have much choice. No, that's probably
a fair comment. Coming up to the news at one

(01:18:46):
o'clock after one. I want to get to South Africa.
Mark Keaheim. We spoke to him during the week and said, well,
Andy did I didn't, Andy does all the does all
the organization of the show Saiday, Mark, do you want
to talk to us on Sunday after the spring Box
Wallaby's test, and Mark was very bullish said, yeah course mate,
I'll talk to you about a forty point one or
whatever it's going to be. Hopefully he'll still like our call.

(01:19:07):
I'm sure he will. He's a good man. Mark, you
and begin to get your thoughts too. Are the Wallabies
back or is this just a flash in the Alice
Park pan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
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Sport with Jason Vane on your home of Sport News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Hello, that welcome into weekend Sport on News Talks. There'd
be one o seven. It seems we've been here for ages.
Been a couple of hours. It's been great, isn't it?
Love This an eleven o'clock start on days when the
All Blacks play in Argentina. We love it. Thanks for
joining us. I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald's show producer. August
seventeen Today happy birthday. Incidentally, the Hamish curR who celebrated

(01:19:52):
in style as you heard in our news with victory
at the latest Diamond League events in Poland and he
goes Claire at two thirty three.

Speaker 32 (01:20:01):
Well, he doesn't win just by one, Claire, that would
have been done by two thirty. That's third time clearancy
two Claire Hayes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
World on Hamish Kurve. I guess it's not theoretically his
birthday in Poland's will it is now? But when he
won it it wasn't quite But he'll wake up with
a smile on his face, no doubt. Hey, utterly astonishing
game of rugby and Joe burg overnight the Wallaby's producing
one of the all time great comebacks to win at
Alice Park for the first time in over six decades.

(01:20:32):
Going to get an insight very shortly with South African
rugby journo Mark Keohanes. He was at the game if
you've watched it, either live or subsequently, What does this mean?
Is this just a flash in the pan? Is this
just one of those things that occasionally happens, an aberration,
an outlier? Or has Joe Schmitt turned the Wallabies around

(01:20:54):
to the point where they are now genuine Rugby Championship
and bled as Slow Cup contenders and tracking very nicely
towards a Rugby World Cup on their shores two years
from now. Be keen for your thoughts on that. We
can talk more all blacks as well if there's some
residual mopping up to do after what happened in Cordoba

(01:21:14):
this morning. Also on the show Todaily keew We mountain
biker Sammy Maxwell with us in around an hour or so,
looking forward to chatting to her at the midway point
of her season. And Wayne Goldsmith, our coaching guru, discussing
his new book and why in the view of Wayne Goldsmith,
talent is overrated, particularly among children who play sport. James
mcconey's along this hour in his usual slot as well,

(01:21:36):
but a live sport to give an eye on. Two
currently Farah Palmer Cup at Jerry Collins Stadium and Potty
Do It the Wellington Pride and the Otago Spirits and
Otago's showing plenty of that they are thirty two to
nineteen ahead in the closing minutes of that match. To follow,
it's the Bunnings MPC match between the men Wellington and
Otago five past two kickoff and that one will keep

(01:21:58):
you updated. Waikato against County's Manical in the Farah Palmer
Cup from five past two in Hamilton. You can join
the show anytime you're like, oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty nineteen nine two. For your text messages, emails
it to Jason at newstalksb dot co dot nz. But
as mentioned, the Springboks have been stunned in their Rugby

(01:22:21):
Championship opener in Johannesburg. Lost hour and intercept it right
has got one to beats.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
He beats for themselves at fred Starter will not catch him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
And that's if it will be that. It was that
the Wallabies have produced one of the all time great
second half performances, coming back from twenty two nil down
to win thirty eight twenty two at Alice Park, their
first win in South Africa since twenty twelve, their first
win at that venue since nineteen sixty three. Let's bring

(01:22:56):
in South African rugby expert and great made of the show,
Mark Kahan. He was at Alice Park, Mark, what on
earth happened in this game?

Speaker 29 (01:23:06):
I've seen so many incredible moments from ninety two at
Ellis Park and walking away, I saw another incredible one
today and it belonged to Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
It was like it was.

Speaker 29 (01:23:18):
We were just stunned watching that second half performance, but
also in that first ten to fifty in the Box
always said they played like the Highlanders at their best,
and we were like, can they sustain this beyond twenty minutes?

Speaker 6 (01:23:33):
And in the last ten minutes it looked like they
had no legs, they were gassed. They played a game they.

Speaker 29 (01:23:39):
Hardly kicked, they hardly scrummed, and they couldn't catch a
lineup ball. So in Australia, wonderful athletes played very intelligently
and were good enough to kind of make every bounce count.
But if they got off another ten then it's probably
been fifty unanswered points and not thirty eight and just
an incredible day for one of his rugby.

Speaker 6 (01:24:01):
Incredible occasion, and.

Speaker 29 (01:24:05):
I think maybe the punch that South Africa and the
spring Box needed after the euphoria of the World Cup win,
the ephoria of the RACTI Championship win an eleven out
of thirteen last season, they didn't get beats and they got.
It started with a mugging and it ended up with
an attack that could have been criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
It was that dominant, incredible, incredible. Does it feel though
like a blip or Is it symptomatic of some deeper
problems for Russi Erasmus to fix.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
No, I don't think it's it's got anything with the problem.

Speaker 29 (01:24:35):
What it is is to a lot of players, maybe
they're on the wrong side of thirty and some players
this is a may retire themselves just because of performance,
and he doesn't have to have those odd conversations.

Speaker 33 (01:24:47):
I really think it's just they've been riding the crest
of a wave. And you know, I spoke to Nick
Madda the other day and he said, has Russy been
touched by God? Because it doesn't matter what he does,
he gets a one point when Boden Barrett hits the
post from in front. They went in and went into
New Zealand and today he wasn't touched. Today they got punched.
They got punched really hot.

Speaker 29 (01:25:08):
I think we'll look back in a year and say
today a great day for Australian rugby, but probably one
of the best for the spring box ahead of the
big tur from New Zealand next year and the twenty
twenty seven walk up. They really needed to lose, and
lose badly to just kind of bring them back off
that pedestal, bring them down from that cloud.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Let's give some credit to our Australian friends as well
who stood out in a yellow jersey today.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
Uh Been O'Keeffe was amazing.

Speaker 9 (01:25:41):
No, he was good.

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
I mean I thought they were brilliant at the breakdown.

Speaker 29 (01:25:45):
I actually thought Richie mccawadary invented himself and come back
in a gold jumper because they was so good over
the ball. I think the penalty count over the ball
was eight penalties won by Australia. I thought the composer
that James O'Connor showed a ten thirty five year old
veteran having had a great season in terms of rugby.

Speaker 6 (01:26:04):
Education under the Crusaders.

Speaker 22 (01:26:06):
He was good.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
I just felt that they're hunting well.

Speaker 29 (01:26:09):
Joe Smith has been amazing with what he's done with
his team in the last year. We saw what he
did when he joined Fuzzy pre the twenty twenty three
wal Cup. You know, Rashie walked to the press comments
and he said out, thought, up, coached, up, muscled out everything.

Speaker 6 (01:26:23):
Do you guys have any answers for me? And he
said at once that the big thing was they felt
that they overplayed.

Speaker 29 (01:26:29):
Their hand and Australia were good enough to counter punch
and when they did they smashed them. So that first
forty to Australia to hang in there, I think it
shows the spirit that they bolt within the side under
Joe and for them to have that belief that they
could come back and reminded me a lot of that
second test against that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
The first test.

Speaker 29 (01:26:48):
Against Australia are the Lions where they were really struggling.
They had their great last eight minutes and then they
kind of bolt momentum.

Speaker 6 (01:26:56):
So credit to the Wall who was just a great night.
It's a golden knight and they were emphatic winners.

Speaker 29 (01:27:02):
Their game management was better, their approach was better, and
it set set up for a wonderful thing because South Africans,
despite their success, hate being favorites and now they'll arrived
in Auckland as underdogs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
So this is all part of a grand plan to
allow us all into a false sense of security.

Speaker 29 (01:27:20):
Mark No just to arrive in New Zealand thinking there's
no price that they can beat the auductors they call
meat Australia Ellis Park.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
How can they ever beat New Zealand at Eaton Park?

Speaker 29 (01:27:31):
And then there's no pressure on them, so look, I
know that that is the beginning that they target in
for all the storical reasons, to test themselves against the
greatest bow that they have. You know, I was with
a box twenty years ago and the one thing that
always baffled me was the players just meant it didn't
seem to be as switched on when there was a
gold jersey as it was when there was a black jersey.

Speaker 6 (01:27:52):
But maybe it needed a beating like this for them
to switch on for Cape Town.

Speaker 29 (01:27:55):
So it makes for a very interesting seven days between
test matches.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
We all know what a caldron ellis Parker's and no
doubt the atmosphere would have changed across the across the afternoon.
Have you were there many Wallabies fans around it?

Speaker 27 (01:28:10):
You have?

Speaker 25 (01:28:10):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Have you bumped into any in the time since the
final whistle?

Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
Yeah, about fifty five thousand wearing gold.

Speaker 29 (01:28:19):
Because you know what they say in South Africa we
went nine and we lose one, We're in crisis. Is
a bit like New Zealand the Wallabys, they lose nine,
they win one in their back baby.

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
So yeah, there was.

Speaker 29 (01:28:30):
A sprinkling, But I just thought for them to come
into that cauldron a lot of those players have never
been to South.

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
Africa because the no one will Super rugby.

Speaker 25 (01:28:38):
And I didn't just.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
Give credit, give credits to the New Zealand coached Australian side.

Speaker 29 (01:28:43):
They were outstanding and so much credit to Joe Smith
for what he's done with that side. And you know,
I know he's reason for for not wanting to continue
after the Racty Championship, but it's a shame for rugby
and obviously for Australia. Les Case has got a big,
big pair of boots to fall when he does take
over and then for the Rugty Championship, I think it's
just brilliant.

Speaker 6 (01:29:02):
This kind of result just ignites it. But the game
for me was as bizarre as the.

Speaker 29 (01:29:06):
One in Argentina last year when Australia conceded sixty against Argentina.
It's you were watching just thinking is this really happening
at Ellis Park against the Springbok team.

Speaker 6 (01:29:16):
This went back to back World Cups and it was
it was like just blow this end whistle because these.

Speaker 29 (01:29:22):
Guys just they look amused, they look fatigued and they
looked out on their feet and it's reminded me of
Anthony Joshua the first time he got clocked by Rus
and he looked to his corner.

Speaker 6 (01:29:31):
What's happening now? I don't know, mate, but I think
you're about to get knocked down.

Speaker 29 (01:29:35):
That's that's kind of how fault from me watching it
that it was just the people are kind of gobsmacked
and stunned.

Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
So there's a bit of silence when we left the ground.
People are not quite in a boy and mood.

Speaker 29 (01:29:45):
But I think we'll look back in time and applaud
this Australian side and also think it's as a it's
a very good result for the spring Box and how
they bolt towards the next World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
And historic day. Mike, you've given us a brilliant, brilliant
insight into it. Mate, thanks for joining us across New Zealand.
We'll catch up again soon. Thanks Matte, Thank you mate.
That is marke ke Ohen Who was it? Ellis Park?
What a character? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
I know we have a number of Australian listeners. Here's
your chance to gloat. Take it. Take it. I want

(01:30:16):
to hear from you, our Australian listeners, South African listeners,
and I've got a few of those as well. I
definitely want to hear from you. Is this a blip
or something more worrying? And if you're neither Australian or
South African and you just want to comment on the game,
still tend to get your thoughts. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Hello Tony.

Speaker 25 (01:30:37):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 34 (01:30:37):
I got out and turned on the TV about fifteen
minutes into the game now for oh, well, I'll put
the jug on and watch it. And by Jings, great
second half for the Australians. But the quote of the
week is from Joe Smith. He said he took a
good Irish team to Johann's bed and they were up
twenty two points or twenty minutes to go, and then

(01:30:59):
they got what by the spring box? So he put
full prey to the Australians.

Speaker 8 (01:31:04):
So well done.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Yeah, look, I'm delighted for joshmid He certainly Tony hasn't
had universal backing in Australia, has he since his time
as all he's coaching. But I think you know he's
on track now when he hands the team over, he's
on track to achieve what I'm sure most people would
have wanted a better team than the one he inherited.

Speaker 34 (01:31:24):
Y said, it was just as a key we just
sitting there watching it. I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Good mate. I appreciate you calling in, Tony. Glad you
got up early to watch it eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty if you did, or if you've watched it subsequently. Dan,
Hi mate, good party. How are you Dan? I'm great
great to hear from you.

Speaker 8 (01:31:49):
Oh, hey, Partey.

Speaker 35 (01:31:50):
I think Ozzie have had had good momentum since that
second Test against the Lions when they were very unlucky
to lose that second Test and they come out and
won in the sad Clee on the third Test, and
they've just carried that momentum oor to South Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Very good observation, Dan, I think you're absolutely right. I
think they would would be disappointed they didn't get something
out of that second Test and will never know whether
the Third Test was a Lion's side who were ready
to get on the plane to go home having already
secured the series or not. But you know they were
worth their victory and absolutely worth their victory at Alice Park.

(01:32:36):
You know when you can pick yourself up off the
canvas at twenty two nil down after twenty minutes and
win it with thirty eight ue answered points. That is
that is worthy of huge admiration.

Speaker 8 (01:32:47):
I think they're going to.

Speaker 35 (01:32:48):
Be a very big threat in twenty twenty seven when
they had the home crowd, you know, and the Rugby
World Cup. I think they might actually be in the
very good chance for the World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Actually, yeah, I don't need to see more from them,
I think Dan, you know, I look at home. Every
team I think has a greater chance because simply as
you've put the home support that you get. But I'll
need to see more from them. Having said that, they are,
as you say, building. So let's see where they get
to in a couple of years. And actually let's see

(01:33:26):
where they get to at the back end of this
year when they come over here for a Bleder Slow
Cup Test and then host us in one in Perth.
By the time they reach the back end of the year,
the Wallabies, they would have had a busy, busy old
time of things. By the time they get to Auckland
on the twenty seventh of September, they would have had

(01:33:48):
the Lions tour, these two test matches against South Africa
and a couple against Argentina as well as before they
even get to Auckland, and they know they've got to
win there if they are to take the Bledisloe Cup back,
because there's only two tests, you got to win them
both if you then don't you Dan good to chat tiamate?

Speaker 9 (01:34:06):
Hey, Glenn, Yeah, point, there is no substitute for straight speed. Right,
are fast. They are so fast. Those wings that seem
to are holy men, they are fast. And I think
the box, you know, the I don't think they hit
in the panic stations yet, but I'll beat you. They

(01:34:26):
sort of blued that that that full peck a little
bit and just JACKI kapaa young fellas in there, and yeah,
there's probably not a bad thing for them, but yeah,
remember that the worst they're going to remember. But the
Wallabies do this occasionally. Remember when Will scout and beat
us open in Perth and they put fifty ys but
and then they did nothing else.

Speaker 21 (01:34:45):
For the rest of the year.

Speaker 9 (01:34:46):
They just sometimes they're just untouchable. The Ausies.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Yeah, and and not consistently. Glenn, You're so right, you know,
I need I need, like I say, I need to
see more, not that it's on my team. I don't
care how they go only when they play us. But
if I'm an Australian fan, I'm ecstatic today, but also
just a little bit cautious that, as you it might
just be one of those that they do occasionally they
stick their head up and say look how good we are,
and then they lose the next week.

Speaker 9 (01:35:13):
Yeah sure, I just hope that that Joe can just
keep them, keep that passion around the around the rack,
and that how how strong they are over the ball,
And when are those couple of injuries? What the what
the Mets kettle down looks like? You know, Wright's going
to be a huge loss. I'm not sure what his
knees looking like. But hopefully he's bet because yeah he was,
he was pretty long harder.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I thought, yeah, you're right about their wills straight, Yeah, yeah,
you're right about their wills. Jorgenson, he is so quick,
Dylan Peaches is quick. Tom right, they are, and I'm
not sure we've got that at the moment Will Jordan. Yes,
but yeah, I'm not sure we've got the same speed.

Speaker 9 (01:35:50):
I think you're right now, I think you're right. I
mean I don't think you are. And he's got that
toppy and speed anymore. He probably hears over eighty, but
I don't know if he has over thirty. But you know,
heads off the Aussies. I mean, let's remember this is
a Joe Park joebur part then. But when they for
fifty years they go up against the World champs and
they didn't just it wasn't squeaky. They smashed them, smoked
the love.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
And the good thing about it, Glenn is just so right.
We could we can sort of like luxuriate a little
bit because we know they'll probably fall off a cliff,
you know, a true to form, not probably.

Speaker 9 (01:36:22):
You know you don't watch early on anyone a far
from Australia, but.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
You know, Glenn ploding it on your mate. Thanks for calling.
Always enjoyed chatting to your one twenty four while hold
there you too, Elliott with you after this spear line
if you want to talk wallabies with us, oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty or spring box with us.
I love to hear from some South African fans. Are
you worried Australian fans? Are you over the moon or

(01:36:47):
just a bit cautiously pessimistic about this whole thing. We've
got a few we've got We've got quite a bit
of time actually to talk Wallabies. We wouldn't normally, but
it was a rather special occasion at Ellis Park. We're
back in a moment on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Dog News Talk. Davin Mecca says, up on you. I
played in South Africa in the late eighties. There is
nothing more satisfying than a quiet Ellis Park crowd. The
look on the fans' faces was priceless. You would have
enjoyed that, Lyle. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:37:25):
Mate, I've had a good weekend. I think the Warriors
would win between one and six, and then I had
a three legged multie just hit the head Warriors to win,
Wallabies to win, and the All Mates to win. So
for nine dollars on the three leg and I clicked
one hundred and forty one hundred and twenty on the Warriors.
But meself, Sidney rabbits well the last two games, so

(01:37:47):
I haven't been able to watch and they've got up,
so I'm better keep not watching them out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
It's your it's your fault. Yeah, well that's that's the issue.

Speaker 21 (01:37:55):
Mabe and my brother gave me a horse and Courtfielder
got up yesterday. I'm not sure what that made, but yeah,
I'm wrapped for Australia as the first Well, j Ed
is still alive the last time we got up over
there at that particular park. The only concern, it's the
same concern I've always got with the Wallaby lack of depth.

(01:38:16):
A couple of key injuries and we'll be in trouble.
But you know it should be a Bledislow Cup series
and it'll keep the All Blacks on us.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Yeah, I think that's right. I think by the time
it happens, we'll have a larger sample size, won't we
We'll we find out in Cakedown next week what the
response is from both sides actually, and how the All
Blacks go against the spring Box and how the Wallabies
go against Argentina. Yeah, by the time the Bledislow Cup
rolls around, I think we'll have a decent gauge on
these two sides. Look, I think we all want Australia

(01:38:48):
to be to be good. Well, look I don't want
them to win the Bletter slowe Cup. But I want
them to be good like they used to be.

Speaker 21 (01:38:56):
Well, you know the evidence now out of the Super
Rugby it spirtive from the state of rugy in New
Zealand that Australia hold up their end of it. But
you know, I didn't see the game was sound asleep
down twenty two mill and a half on. I think
the South Huskins might have started to think god orphing
and pack. You know, with Australian teams they never say.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Die absolutely right lyle look and look. I think the
South African If not the team, then certainly fans when
you're twenty two mill up after twenty minutes, you are
quite entitled as a fan of the team that is
up to be supremely confident that they'll carry on with
it for the remaining sixty minutes of the game. And

(01:39:39):
if you're a Wallabys fan, you're probably thinking, oh my goodness,
here we go again. We're going to get shell act
at Ellis Park. Good on the Wallabies. Ah, it's a
great story, a great story and a feather in their caps.

Speaker 11 (01:39:52):
Hello Elliott, Hey Boney.

Speaker 12 (01:39:56):
I just thought it sets up quite a cool rugby
championship that you don't really know how any of these
teams are going to go well. I could see the
Argentinians losing all SEXU see them winning a couple. I
can see the Ausies losing the next five or maybe
winning three. I can see the Sarians dancing back strong
or or maybe they're not as good as we think,
and the All Blacks it's a little bit hard to

(01:40:16):
work out. Like it's just quite exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
I absolutely that's a great point, Eliott, And you'll absolutely
bang on the money, you know, And that's that's what
no top quality sport is a bit of jeopardy, you know,
because even though we sometimes you know, like to laugh
at Australian sporting sides when they don't do very well,
I think, you know, as you say, if we can
watch every single one of these what's it going to
be twelve Rugby Championship tests without really knowing for certain

(01:40:43):
who's going to win, then that's great, isn't it?

Speaker 25 (01:40:46):
Totally?

Speaker 12 (01:40:47):
And you compare it to the Six Nations where they
do ultimately have two pretty bad teams in the Welsh
and the Irish. Sorry the Welsh and the Italians like
it's every week and their competition is going to be
one or two games where you kind of know the result,
whereas in this competition I don't think you do, which
is as exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Yeah, I totally agree. I still want us to win
every test, but I but I do, I don't. Yeah,
but I like the but I do. I like the
fact that from week to week end, in the game
that doesn't involve the All Blacks, there's jeopardy. I think
when Argentina play Australia, I'll be extremely interested to see
what happens in those In those test matches, I think
once home one's away Sorry is that No? That's national right,
Argentina to go to Australia, aren't they? So yeah, I'll

(01:41:25):
be Yeah, it's a it's a brilliant point. A sense
of jeopardy is the you know, the hallmark of all
good competitions. Totally right, Elliott, Totally right, mate, good to
chat to you. Thanks for bringing and making the points, Alex.

Speaker 36 (01:41:36):
Hi justin yest that Bodie game. Probably so the same
thoughts as a lot of the other callers. I've watched
the replay this morning before the All Blacks, and probably
the most exciting, like non or Black tests I've watched
up there with that pummeling France gave England a couple

(01:41:56):
of years ago in the Six Nations. I think the
dazzling thing about it was, you know, in the first half,
I just remember thinking, you know, was going to just
put a huge and over on them, and they were
playing you know, amazing rugby, like every playing was playing
out of their skin and it looks like they were
just scoring at wool and then yeah, I think, like

(01:42:20):
you expert alluded to, just almost like they burnt themselves out.

Speaker 21 (01:42:23):
With you know, that that attack.

Speaker 36 (01:42:25):
But for Australia to come back second half as also
just you know some of those players like Tom Wright, he's.

Speaker 18 (01:42:33):
Just you know, so explosive and dynamic and so good man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Yeah, that Tom Right. I mean he made a bit
of a bit of an error in the first half
which led to a try, and but man, I think
it was Harry Wilson's second try he set up and
then his own try at the end. I like him, ay,
I like Tom Right.

Speaker 25 (01:42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 36 (01:42:54):
It was almost you know, it was almost a bit
of anti climax studying towards the able. It was just
at a sort of slow, slow pace, you know it
and stuff, you know, beforehand. But but in like your
last Caol has said, is that I think it's what
we're getting in cobe of an NBC to that sort
of you know, the games you just swing on an
excess from a team that looks like they've got a

(01:43:16):
huge score on another team and then you know they
get that momentum and at suddenly it's on. You know,
it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Absolutely totally agree, Alex, Totally agree. And we almost saw
it from Argentina this morning as well. You know, not
that they got back eventually, the All Blacks sort of
eased away from them, but you can't relax. And you're
right about the NPC. It's the same, you know, Mana,
we're two South on the other night, Mane of we're
two fans. The Bucketheads would have been wrapped twenty two
l up at a half time. We're going to win

(01:43:44):
in the cargo Instead, the Stags got twenty nine unanswered points.
Good on you, Alex, I'm glad you enjoyed the game.
I did too. And some of the wheels on those
outside backs that Max Jorgensen, he is so quick, man,
They're quicker than our outside backs.

Speaker 21 (01:44:00):
They are.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Pete. Just before I get to you. I wanted to
play something from yesterday. A couple of people have alluded
to it. Today we run a competition on Saturday afternoons
called a Sporting Chance, and we give a one hundred
and fifty dollars bonus bet from the tab to our
lucky caller, and we give them three options. We give
them a short, an evens and a long meaning you know,

(01:44:23):
a highly likely bet, one which is about fifty to fifty,
and one which seems highly unlikely. Jason was our caller
yesterday and here was his his option for the long bet,
and your long shot today is called the James O'Connor
was the answer all along Special Australia the Wallabies to

(01:44:44):
beat South Africa thirteen plus at Alice Park. It's paying
eighteen dollars. You'd collect two thy five hundred and fifty.

Speaker 31 (01:44:52):
Well, much as I'd like the Wallabies to win, I
can't see them doing it by thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
No one could see them doing it by thirteen. Jace,
you weren't alone. If Jason had taken that bet yesterday,
he'd be two and a half grand Richard today he's
still one. He picked the Sunderland West Ham results. I
still had a nice little collect not two and a
half grand though, could I pete?

Speaker 37 (01:45:14):
Mate? They were the wannabes, but now they're the wannabes, mate.
And that was the most wondrous, wondrous, stunning wind. I
captured some of the saddest looking big yarpies I've ever
seen in my life at five minutes.

Speaker 31 (01:45:30):
Before the end day.

Speaker 37 (01:45:30):
It was so funny that it was a wonderful side
all right. I just want to say you you mentioned it, Jorgison.
That was a try for me, absolutely inside out, outstanding pace.
And I just want to do a big chuck out
here for Eddie Jones. I've got to tell you, mate,

(01:45:51):
I listened to the Dinosaur yesterday on a blog that
was sent to me, and you know, for everything he
did wrong at the last World Cup, he did some
great things as well, and we must never forget that.
I think we're seeing right now. This is only my opinion,
the end of the old nasty slow box. Their forwards

(01:46:19):
looked like Grandma and granddad. Mate, when when the Olie
as he turned the speed on. So I think, resiarrassmus,
it's over hat. You know, the old boys are gone.

Speaker 10 (01:46:31):
And that was pure.

Speaker 37 (01:46:33):
Wonderful pace that that won that game. Young brilliant players
reminded me a bit of kemps out there. So yeah, awesome,
may I just loved it. Was a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Good man, Pete. I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it.
And this is what sport can do. It can provide
moments like this, It can give us a spring in
our step. Interesting you mentioned the South African forward. You
look at them and you think a lot of those
guys have been around for a while. Even It'sabeth lud
de Jager, Peter Stiff to Toy, Malcolm Marx, Ox Nietzsche

(01:47:05):
in the front right. Oh much vaunted this bomb squad,
but this has just throwing the cat amongst the pigeons.
It's put paid to any thought that South Africa are
this invincible force. Yes, they've won the last two Rugby
World Cups, and deservedly so. I think you'd say both

(01:47:28):
type finals, but both finals that they came out on
the winning side of, and the way they've been playing,
I think they deserve to be regarded as as still
a very good rugby team. But that eighty minutes at
Alice Park this morning and in fact take out the
first twenty. That hour at Alice Park this morning is

(01:47:51):
just a cursory tale for them. Nothing is certain, nothing
is certain. Things can change very quickly. And I think
it's also for Australia. It could well be if we
get to the Rugby World Cup in a couple of
years in Australia do okay. I don't want them to
win it. I want us to win it. But if

(01:48:11):
they do, okay, I think they might look back at
today as not a turning point necessarily, but certainly a
massive part of the foundation towards what they could become.
I know Joe Schmitt has made his decision. I forgot
to see Kalisi, says this text. You're right, I forgot
see a Kalasi another one. He seems to be ageless though,

(01:48:33):
doesn't he, although it did come off five minutes into
the second half this morning. Back to Joe shmittt they
would love to keep him, wouldn't they. That was always
the plan. I think they thought he'll come in, he'll
like it, he'll stay And they've kind of got half
of that because he's staying to the end of the
Rugby Championship, maybe staying on as some sort of consultant.
But you know, good things take time, and Joe Shmitt

(01:48:54):
is a fantastic rugby coach. He will leave this team
better than he found them. And much as Pete likes
to give Eddie Jones a bit of credit, they were
a rebel when Joe Shmitt took over Eddie Jones. You
know the way he he just chipped away at that
team's confidence and the way he handled them at the
last Rugby World Cup was it was almost dereliction of

(01:49:17):
duty from Eddie Jones for me. But Joe Schmitz inherited
that and has polished some edges broad in some players.
And you look at that team now and this just
that backline. No, we haven't eve talked about James O'Connor.
You know, he's a guy couldn't get a game for

(01:49:37):
the Crusaders, well not a start anyway, but played a
vital role off the bench running this team around. Nick White,
I thought he'd retired, hasn't retired. It's still playing Iktu
suiy Alee in midfield. Peach Jorgensen right, what a back three.

(01:49:58):
Harry Wilson had a magnificent game off the back of
the scrum. Fraser mcwright was probably better. This is a
good Australian team.

Speaker 25 (01:50:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
I still don't want them to beat us, absolutely not.
I would never want Australia to beat us in anything,
but I do like the fact that they're starting to
show a little bit of revival nineteen to two. Let's
take a break, James mcconey After.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
This, the biggest things in sport are on Weekend Sport
with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted
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Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
They'd be coming up one forty four gree asks on
text afternoon, just wondering if you've given any consideration as
to how this will impact on the All Black Springbox
matches coming up. There's only one thing worse than a
wounded All Black, and that is a wounded Springbok. Watch
this space, says Greg. Had you given any consideration to
a wounded Springbok James mcconey, Well, half.

Speaker 18 (01:50:57):
Of them were wounded, especially their back line, so they'll
be they'll be back and we'll add some impetus if
they can get back in time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
How are you Pine, I'm great, I'm great, James. It's
been a really busy old sporting weekend with you know,
trying to keep my eyes in all of these different places.
Can we start with the Wallaby says that this is
a good thing, isn't it. The Wallaby's going to Ellis
Park and winning.

Speaker 18 (01:51:18):
Yeah, and it proves that, look, they are legit on
their day. It proves that if you get a roll
on at that level in some momentum and things clerk,
all these top teams can score. You know, four or
five are in the Wallabys case, six tries in a row.
So there's two things about this game that stood out
for me. I think like the Wallabies actually have sneaky Depp.

(01:51:39):
You know, their bench is quite good, especially in the
front row, and the spells a Nongrea Brendan paying a Moorsa.
You know, they've got their own sort of version of
the Bomb squad. And I think they've got a couple
of injuries. When they come back they'll be stronger. And
the Lousies as well, although I like Gleason as well,
and also Tate McDermott. He would start, I think as

(01:52:00):
half back in most countries and I think he'd make
the ald Lacks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Taate mc dermott.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
You think Tate mcdummott would make the All Blacks.

Speaker 18 (01:52:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think currently, I think so, Yes, I
think you would so. I mean, you know, the Reds halfback,
he's been really good all year and I thought he
would start, but you know he's been really good off
the bench for them and was again yesterday. But South Africa, weirdly,
this is a strange thing for a nation that's a
real rugby nation. I think they don't have that much depth.

(01:52:28):
I think you saw it last year when Malcolm Marx
got injured and they bought in a hooky who was
about thirty five years old, you know, like they didn't
really have a natural successor, and then missing five starters
in their back line out to clerk Andre Pollard, the
Landi cheers and Kolby Willie LaRue. Israel World Cup winner
is right, double World Cup winners in most cases, so

(01:52:52):
possibly actually in all cases.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Yes.

Speaker 18 (01:52:54):
So look that they were not at their best, but
it is an incredible comeback all the same.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Oholutely, when you score thirty eight un answered points anywhere
to win a game having been twenty on down, that's amazing.
But at Alice Park, at that cauldron, incredible, Yeah, and
it's yeah, it was great.

Speaker 18 (01:53:13):
Well, well, I think the one thing as well that
a number eight and captain Harry Wilson scoring two tries.
He is a talented test player. He's a bona fight star.
It shows how clueless Eddie Jones was and that will
cut you dropping him. So you know he's back to
some form. There's some faith, you know, from the selectors
and Joe Schmidt and shout out to Joe Schmitt.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
I mean, look, he is.

Speaker 18 (01:53:36):
He's kind of like his own He's a professor as well,
isn't he in his own right?

Speaker 6 (01:53:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Yeah, I'm pleased for him too because he seems like
a decent blow, doesn't he. I mean, David Campese's been
giving him absolute rings ever since he got that job.
I just and I'm sure Joshmitt doesn't care what David
Campeze thinks, but I was, Yeah, I was really pleased
with Joshman.

Speaker 18 (01:53:59):
I mean, Campo is just rented. Quote all the media
know to go to him, and so that's that's all
they do. If they want to get someone to win,
you go to Campo. And I think he's a little
bit out of touch. He's a genius player, but I
think you know, Rugby's kind of moved on from from
his day, so he needs to He needs to upskill
like we all do, Piony sometimes, you know we do.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
We've got to try different things, get across different platforms,
be flexible, exactly as you've done. You know, you've you've
you've evolved as a broadcast. I used to read you
in the Sunday Star Times. Althother guy's got a bit
about him, and you've diversified into all platforms.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
It's called desperation and I'm all, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
For it, mate, Like it's like looking in a mirror.
What did you make of the all Blacks?

Speaker 18 (01:54:43):
Well, I thought maybe just focus on on a couple
of things. One is, I thought Duperfi was really good
and probably didn't get enough claudits or enough enough kind
of the rubb of the green from the ref. I mean,
the reef was calling him off a couple of times,
and I thought, oh no, he was in a really
good position there. But the thing is, he is so
quick on the turnover that that refs almost get shocked.

(01:55:06):
You know, he's right there, but wearing that fabled number
seven jersey. That is an absolute pressure cooker situation. I
mean look for forty years, it's basically gone Michael Jones,
Josh Cronfeld, Richie mccause, Sam Kine, And that's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:55:21):
It's like the number ten jersey for Argentina. You know,
it's just so tough. And I thought Duplessy kid, if
he was really good.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Did you think that I did too?

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Yeah, and just on the refereeing thing too, because I
think he used to be a penalty magnet, right, But
I think New Zealand referees and Super Rugby referees have
worked out that he is able to do the things
that seem, you know, unlikely, and I just wonder whether
the international referees have to work the same thing out.

Speaker 18 (01:55:50):
Yes, exactly. I think that's the thing, Duplacy kit. If
he is like that, you know, it's probably our Quackersmith's
similar build. He gets in there and those little crevices.
He's not huge, as we know. But I think it's
good that we've ignored what has been in the past
a bit of a sort of height restriction like a
roller coaster ride. You know, you need to be this
tour to play number seven for the All Blacks. Drove
that out in the window you're just going to think

(01:56:11):
about David Pocock, George Smith, all the ones, the stumpy
little seven's around the world, Neil Back, whoever you want.
Dup is excellent. And just a word about Will Jordan. Look,
we talk about him so often, we need to actually
accept he is the superstar and the team currently and
I don't want to see him move from fallback to

(01:56:33):
help with, you know, covering certain positions if there are injuries.
He needs to stay there and we need to build
the team around him.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Yeah, I totally agree with that. I totally agree. I
think there is a still of conversation to be had
around eleven and fourteen. But I'm the same as you.
I want Will Jordan wearing fifteen every time he plays.
I totally agree. I totally agree.

Speaker 18 (01:56:55):
Oh sorry, we're getting Richie Wonga back, We're getting you know,
lester phone nets. There are reinforcements coming.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
Absolutely. Just before we move from the rugby to a
couple of Texas have made the point that Mike Kron
has also been involved over there, and we know what
an effect of coach he is with forward, so yeah,
he has to also be given some plauters. Hey, the
premier Leagu's underway again. My Liverpool had to win yesterday
against Bournemouth. Alex Paulson wasn't in the match day squad.
Chris Wood's going to have his first game for Forrest tomorrow.

(01:57:23):
Are you excited about the Premier League being back Toiney?

Speaker 18 (01:57:26):
You know, I'm excited, and I actually don't have a
dog in the fight because as a youngster I supported Arsenal.
Then all the players left and then I sort of thought, well,
it's quite tricky. I didn't want my emotions to be
ruled by a team, you know, so May twelve thousand
miles away or whatever. So I just went, you know what,
I'm just going to enjoy the Premier League and look,

(01:57:46):
I'm happy for with what Liverpool did last year. I
think Chelsea will be attending to watch this year. But
I was watching that Liverpool game and really I was
wanting to see whether the Bournemouth goalie was better than
Alex Paulson. And he conceded four goals in the end,
but it was very close until your new signing, Federico

(01:58:07):
Kieza from Italy came on and scored the go ahead goal.
Now this guy, he's not Barjio he's not del Pierre,
he's not even Toasty, but in recent years he's been
Italy's main creative player and crucial when Estalie won Euro
twenty twenty one. So at twenty seven years old, pony,
he's a very good signing and what a way to
become an anfield hero.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Absolutely right, yep, totally right. I don't know what the
future holds, sorry of the short term future holds for
Alex Paulson, but what I do know is that is
the players need to be playing and you can't be
third choice goalkeeper. I know injuries happen, but yeah, you
can't just be sitting on the bench, and so I
hope that they find a way of either. You know, look,
I don't suspect that Alex Paulson is ready to be

(01:58:51):
the number one goalkeeper had born with yet, but he
will one day. But he needs to play as often
as he can and it's probably going to be somewhere
else at the moment on loan, you know, not back
at Auckland FC. I wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
Mentioned no, no A. There was one other thing. I
don't know. If we've got time, we've got time pinting. Yeah,
we're going on the qualification yep for the Comwealth Games.

Speaker 18 (01:59:12):
I'm a bit concerned about the athletics qualification standards for
Glasgow next year. And look, they are really tough, but
don't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:59:20):
Our big stars will be fine.

Speaker 18 (01:59:21):
Hamish Cure, Tom Walsh, Madey Wish.

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
They'llll be sweet. Zoey Hoggs should be okay.

Speaker 18 (01:59:26):
But the qualifying standard for her is eleven seconds, which
he's gone under a couple of times. But I mean
this is the men's qualifying for one hundred meters is
ten flats, ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Flat, ten flat for the hundred yeah, ja.

Speaker 18 (01:59:41):
For thee hundred, the A qualifying and even the BE
qualifying as ten point h five. So Tiane Wilson, who's
been run ten point ten, I mean, he's not going
to make the Conwealth Games under these standards.

Speaker 22 (01:59:53):
So it is tough.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
It is tough. Yeah, better move, James, I want to talk.
We should talk about that another day because I have
run out of time. Always great to tell to you, mate,
Thanks indeed, Jason McCarty, big part of our Sundays six
and a half to three and a half to one.
The stick says, can you please keep talking about the
beating of the spring walks. After two, look, I'd love to,
and I'm sure there'll be you know, other time to
do it. We do have to move though, Sammy Maxwell

(02:00:17):
after two can't wait to chat to one of our
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Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
Two o seven. This is weekend spot on News Talks
AB until three. I'm Jason Pine Andy McDonald as the
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the Pyrenees where elite Kiwi mountain biker Sammy Maxwell is
currently in a mid season break, although she's on an
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We'll keep eyes on live sport for you as well,
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(02:01:44):
we approach eight past two, as we always do at
this time on weekend sport, it is time to catch
you up with some of the stuff you might have
missed over the last little while. I said yesterday that
it's a busy sporting weekend. Well here is your bumper
edition of in Kasha missed it. Starting with yesterday's NPC action,
Taranaki have gone to the top of the table with

(02:02:06):
a demolition job of Auckland and eden Park.

Speaker 38 (02:02:11):
Walter's heads and it's mass inside that twenty two Walters
hands is going to go all the way at Taranaki
are gonna score a seventh try, slats the conversion and
fifty up for Taranaki.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Fifty points to eight Taranaki over Auckland's Taranaki, joined at
the top by Hawks Bay who were too good for
North Harbor and Ari has it again.

Speaker 5 (02:02:32):
White out and try time out on the left wing
side of the hill to.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
Ripleet thirty six to twenty two. They lead now that
was the final score. Canterbury also unbeaten after victory over
the Steamers.

Speaker 39 (02:02:42):
It's a pass for you to en or he's through
to Callow little chip of chase bounceable will be interesting
and sets up.

Speaker 2 (02:02:48):
For Cory Gello and Tory Kello.

Speaker 39 (02:02:51):
Has himself a try and that could be the difference
This afternoon. Nineteen plays seven with a kick to.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
Come and that kick was successful, twenty one seven the
final score. Tasman chalking up back to back wins, this
time over North London FuG Today.

Speaker 6 (02:03:07):
Willie how Vinny gives it up.

Speaker 39 (02:03:09):
Oh that is a gorgeous pull and I'm really Tully
tooey with the try.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
As we've already heard. This afternoon, incredible scenes at Ellis Park,
the Wallaby's coming back from twenty two Niel down to
beat South Africa thirty eight twenty two in the Rugby Championship,
lost hour and intercept it right has got one.

Speaker 5 (02:03:30):
To beats he beats for this up at crick starter
will not catch him.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
And that's if it will be that remarkable. At Elie Park,
the All Blacks meantime, scored six tries to beat Argentina
forty one twenty four in cord Over the last two
to reserve hook our summer. Sauny Talkia Hole taken by
the All Blacks.

Speaker 5 (02:03:51):
Drive begins super vi taking your Takeyah with it in
that capost. They're on the ram packs the All Blacks
and seven Sony Takeyo has got himself a second and
that has sealed the All Blacks win forty one twenty four,
sick to come two for top.

Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
Yo hop to the opening weekend of Football's Premier League,
Sunderland's marking their return to the top flight in styles all.

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So much excapement surrounding Ryan Chakey, half the Premier League
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That opening salvo back here, back to back World Series
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Them, the eighteen year old beating world number one Luke
Humphreys eight four in the final to complete the down
Under double. After winning an Australia last weekend, the Toll
Blacks will play off the third and fourth at Basketball's
Asia Cup, going down to China in the semi finals.

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against Australia in the final. Victory for high jumper Hamish
Kerr at the latest Diamond League events in Poland and
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event leader board after the opening day of sale GP
in Germany, New Zealand with a fifth, a fourth and
a tenth in the first three races before a win
in the final contest, giving them a much needed boost

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in the standings.

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races for different winners and the final race on Saturday
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saloon really for the Seagulls, isn't it. You look at
the table and they find themselves in tenth on twenty
four points. The Roosters are eighth currently on twenty eight.
So yeah, the Seagles want to keep their top eight
chances alive. They kind of got to win this. I'll
have three more games after it to go. The Warriors,
of course, we'll finish the weekend in the top four.
Look forward to seeing how the next three weeks play

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out for them. Wellington are off to a flyer against
Otago at Jerry Collins Stadium in Pottydoer. This is Bunning's
NPC action. They've scored two tries already in the game,
both of them converted Matt Proctor that is the brother
of Billy, of course veteran Matt Proctor. One test all
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and Harry Plummer has just crashed over for a second
close to the posts Garden basherp has converted that one.
So Wellington fourteen knill ahead of Otago and we've only
had about eight or nine minutes there at Pottydoer Park
two fifteen. Let's take a break when we come back
off to the Pyrenees where we find one of our
top cyclists, our top mountain bikers, Sammy Max. Were going

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to join us after this.

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Dogs n B eighteen minutes past two Elite key we
munt and biker Sammy Maxwell currently leads the UCI World
Cup rankings in the Cross Country Olympic Women's Elite following
her win in the last event in Andra.

Speaker 39 (02:09:19):
It's been Maxwell her very very best Samarah Maxwell text for.

Speaker 14 (02:09:27):
When and Parara, Sala and Dora.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
What a performance. Yeah, brilliant performance from Sammy Maxwell who
joins us. Now it's been a month since that, Sammy.
An incredible victory really in that event in Andorra, given
the fact that you had two crashes during that race
and a puncture, so getting up to win. Where does
that result rank among your race victories given the circumstances

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it came in.

Speaker 5 (02:09:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 41 (02:09:54):
I was on another recent interview and I was saying,
that's probably one of the proudest races I've done, not
because necessarily the result or you know, the the glory.
I guess that everyone has kind of made it out
to be, but because of well, two reasons really. The
first one was when I won in Brazil at the
start of the season, I said I want to be sustainable,

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like that's my goal.

Speaker 42 (02:10:15):
I want to be winning at the end of the season.

Speaker 41 (02:10:19):
So to sort of win in what April and then
again and sit August kind of.

Speaker 42 (02:10:25):
Around then it's kind of really important for me.

Speaker 41 (02:10:28):
Just to prove to myself and to others that I'm
doing it in a way that's really sustainable, my body
can keep performing.

Speaker 42 (02:10:36):
So yeah, that was really important for me. And then
the second reason was.

Speaker 41 (02:10:39):
Just because it was such a shit show out there,
and I honestly had a moment where I was like,
I could I could pack a wally right now, like
I could throw my toys out of the cot or
just kind of keep pushing, and I just the throwing
attention just didn't even like occurred to me, and I
was like, well, that's not going to help me get

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to the finish line. Like I could either race and
keep crashing but enjoy it, or I can race and
not enjoy it and then just get to the finish
line sad.

Speaker 42 (02:11:09):
I was like, well, would I want to do that?
So yeah, I was pretty.

Speaker 41 (02:11:13):
Happy with the mentality of myself and my composure. I've
come a long way from under twenty threes, and so
yeah that was cool to see.

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
Yeah, you certainly have. I mean, how much has the
way you deal with setbacks changed in the last couple
of years.

Speaker 42 (02:11:28):
Yeah, so much.

Speaker 41 (02:11:29):
I think a lot of as to do with just
general confidence in my ability. I've read a few like
books on like mental resilience and stuff like that, and
it's like a really cool saying that always has stuck
with me, And it's like, confidence doesn't come from standing
in the mirror of telling yourself positive affirmations. Confidence comes
from getting out there and actually having irresputable evidence that

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you can do something right. So it's kind of it's
not fair to expect under nineteen and junior writers from
New Zealand to go and have genuine confidence in themselves
because they haven't been able to race over in Europe.

Speaker 42 (02:12:05):
So I think for me, it took a.

Speaker 41 (02:12:07):
While to learn that I'm I'm going to be a
bit chaotic and it's going to take a few years
for me to gain genuine confidence.

Speaker 42 (02:12:13):
But I kind of just took it slowly and just
accepted that.

Speaker 41 (02:12:17):
And now I'm been racing overseas for a few years,
I can have that genuine confidence. But but yeah, I
think it's been super important just to helping me keep composed.
I mean, last year, my first Elite race, I literally
crashed in the first corner and took out my teammate, so.

Speaker 42 (02:12:33):
We've cover wee basince.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
Then absolutely all it's all all on the up from that.
You're leading. You're leading the series by four hundred and
forty five points, but that's all relative of course to
how many points are available in each event. So exactly
it feels like it's four hundred and forty five points
a comfortable.

Speaker 41 (02:12:51):
Lead or not if not really oh not really no,
because each round you can win three hundred and thirty points, right,
So all it takes and it's mountain biking, right, Like
you have Matthew, one of the best cyclists in the world,
coming to a mountain bick grace and not finishing. So
if I go to a weekend and I get and

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I don't finish, I get a mechanical or I crash out,
there's three hundred and thirty points that I lose to
the winter, do you know what I mean? So it's
definitely not comfortable by any means. But yeah, it's still
a long season. We're still halfway through. I was just
realized we've done six races and we have five left,
so it's a long season.

Speaker 42 (02:13:33):
So there's a long way to go still, and.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
So you're currently coming towards the end. I think of
a six week break between events and understand you've spent
time in an altitude camp in the Pyrenees. So what
did that consist of and how beneficial has it been.

Speaker 42 (02:13:49):
Well, I'm still up at altitude. So we came up
last week and it's been really tough.

Speaker 41 (02:13:54):
Actually, so it's my first altitude camp and anyone that's
done altitude knows the biggest, biggest concern and threat is
to cook yourself basically, and the way I like to
train is very, very aggressive. I like to push my
body and it's been something I can my body could
cope with when I was at low altitude, when recovery

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was better, but coming up to high altitude after a week,
we we're really lucky the team. We have medical data
I guess supplied and monitoring us every night while we sleep.
We have like hydration tests and oxygen saturation tests and
cardiac measures and every day to measure our recovery. And

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by the end of the first week they go, Sammy,
you've like unadapted from altitude.

Speaker 42 (02:14:40):
You've put You've.

Speaker 41 (02:14:41):
Put so much stress on your body that your oxygen
saturation is actually like lower than when you arrived, and
I was like, oh, wops. So I had to take
a day off and my body's starting to come right again.
So it's been pretty tough, but I think it's it's
a good It'll be good because I have some good
support around me and some good people that know what

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they're doing. So I think we've still got two weeks
up here, so I should should hopefully rep some rewards
from that.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
So ideally, what happens at the end of it, what
are the rewards of doing it?

Speaker 42 (02:15:17):
Essentially, basically, you get more hemoglobin.

Speaker 41 (02:15:19):
Right in your blood and then you go back down
altitude and the air just feels like you're breathing soup,
like it's just so much oxygen, and your body is
just yeah, love and life a lot more love it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
So you said five more events? Is that four more
World Cups, Cup events and the World Champs or is
the World Champs separate again?

Speaker 23 (02:15:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 42 (02:15:39):
Man, you've done your research. I'm I'm pressed.

Speaker 2 (02:15:42):
So the World Champs is part of the sorry, yeah,
the World Champs is part of the whole thing? Or
is that separate again? To win it?

Speaker 41 (02:15:48):
It's just that that's yeah, that's just the way the
athletes think, really, you have your World Cup.

Speaker 42 (02:15:52):
And then you've got your one World Champs, so you've
got five races.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
Brilliant, So you could win the series after four more
World Cup events all going well, you could you could
win this man, that would be so cool. And I
understand your parents are coming to what you compete now.
Is this to be the first time they've seen you
compete outside of New Zealand?

Speaker 42 (02:16:11):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 41 (02:16:12):
I think even these days we were lucky this year
Nationals wasn't all to do, so they came and watched.
But normally Nationals and Oshi's are in christ Church or
Queenstown or whatever, and they don't even they can't even
like come watch me race for that just with work
and travel and commitment. And I'm a big girl now
so I don't need them to help carry my bags
for the airport. So yeah, they they have probably seen

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me race honestly twice every two years. So it's kind
of funny and cool to be able to have them
come watch me race. But I'm just mostly excited to
be able to share marzine my like European base with them,
take them up to the lake and show them around
the town and just like what my life is like
over here?

Speaker 42 (02:16:55):
Really excited?

Speaker 2 (02:16:56):
What is your life like over there outside of all
of the training and competing that you do.

Speaker 42 (02:17:02):
Yeah, it's not It's funny.

Speaker 41 (02:17:04):
I always thought been an athlete be like so what
you ride your bike for a few hours a day
and then what you just get a message. But now
that I'm here, it's so hectic. Like I guess I
like to put a lot on my plate with studying
as well. I do like French courses online at the moment.
But yeah, a lot of time goes into training, recovery,

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preparing for your training, just managing like levels, doing lots
of like monitoring. I do a lot of like journaling
and stuff which helps with my head. But yeah, I'm
pretty pretty pretty happy in the sense that I'm getting
out of stage now where I can just go out

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for like four or five hours and I just design
like a really nice loop through the French Alps or
the Pyrenees, and I'm just so happy. You know, you'd
come back at like three o'clock in the afternoon and
have some lunch and then have some more food. I
actually think we probably spend half our day eating. Athletes honestly.

Speaker 25 (02:18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:18:04):
But it's hard, right, It's hard, man, I mean, you
know physically mentally, this is challenging. It ain't just to
ride through the through the mountains and a nice three
o'clock lun It's hard, right.

Speaker 25 (02:18:18):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 41 (02:18:19):
Yeah, I guess the I think as an athlete, for us,
the hardest thing is like, well for me anyway, the
thing I struggle most with is like the uncertainty of
how I'm going to perform every day. Imagine like every
day you go to work and you have like someone saying,
like you have to do forty papers today or like

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you have and like every day we are like measuring
ourselves our progress.

Speaker 42 (02:18:47):
Every day. We have a standard we have to reach,
and then we have a standard that we have expected
ourselves that we have to reach. So like, especially on
days where you have intervals, it's like a race day
every day.

Speaker 41 (02:18:59):
So yeah, I think that's just the biggest things like that,
that uncertainty of like will you achieve your goal today?

Speaker 42 (02:19:04):
It's quite tiring in some aspects.

Speaker 41 (02:19:08):
But the more I do it, Yeah, the more I
do it, the more I'm learning that there is variability
and it sometimes well there's always a reason why you
can't hit your numbers or why you can't execute a.

Speaker 42 (02:19:18):
Training and that just means you have to rest a
bit more.

Speaker 41 (02:19:21):
And yeah, maybe you would have liked to been able
to do a good session, but there is a way
to fix it, right, You've just got to not be
silly and put your head in.

Speaker 42 (02:19:31):
The sand and keep pushing. You've got to listen to
your body and take a bit of a break.

Speaker 2 (02:19:34):
But yeah, so mean, you've been really open about your
eating disorder and its effect on your performances, and you
talked about sustainability at the start of our chat, and
I've heard you talk about wanting to perform over a
sustained period and being able to do that. Can you
tell us about the support you've received and the strategies
you've employed to do that.

Speaker 27 (02:19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 42 (02:19:55):
Sure, I work with the NZET Eating Disorder CONNICS.

Speaker 41 (02:19:57):
So there's doctor Roge, and then I have a nutritionist,
a new nutritionist actually at the moment, and a psychologist Hink,
and I work with Hink probably every two weeks. Oh no, yeah,
every two weeks at the moment just kind of chickens.
It's really hard to do full anorexia therapy while I'm overseas.

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But we have been employing some basic like I said,
some basic journaling, doing lots of like mindfulness and stuff
has been really helpful with my emotions.

Speaker 42 (02:20:29):
But yeah, a big important part of me.

Speaker 41 (02:20:32):
Is just monitoring my health at the moment, Like you say,
sustainability is super important. And actually coming up here to altitude,
it's been quite interesting and challenging.

Speaker 20 (02:20:43):
Kind of.

Speaker 41 (02:20:43):
I guess some of those aspects, like you have to
take it a bit easier on those first few days
because your body's working harder, and that's shown kind of
how my eating disorder would use sports as a way.

Speaker 42 (02:20:55):
To earn food or something like that.

Speaker 41 (02:20:56):
So coming up here has been super interesting and showing
different ways which my eating disorder presents itself. But yeah,
I've been seeking therapy for two years now and I
think it's the best choice I've made. I honestly don't
think I would be where I was right now if
I hadn't started therapy.

Speaker 42 (02:21:16):
And for sure, it's a long process, but I'm I
know it's the right thing to do, do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:21:22):
And does success on the bike necessarily a quite to
success off the bike in that regard, No, no way,
not at all.

Speaker 41 (02:21:31):
No, I've found the last yeah around and Dora and
the last few weeks have actually been really tough, like
mentally with my eating disorder, and I think it's quite
interesting to come to terms with the fact that on
the start line and after the races, I can be
like super positive, super happy, and then an hour later

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I'm like in my bedroom freaking out because I have
like some sort of food in front of it that's scary.
And it's been quite hard like functioning quite a lot
of cortisol and stuff like that, right, food something I
can't avoid, And I think a.

Speaker 42 (02:22:06):
Lot of that do were just the last few years taking.

Speaker 41 (02:22:09):
My head out of the sand and accept that there
is a problem and that comes with having to do
some work to fix the problem.

Speaker 42 (02:22:17):
So there's it's been quite challenging.

Speaker 41 (02:22:19):
But yeah, just because I'm successful on the bike doesn't
always I mean, I'm successful off the.

Speaker 42 (02:22:25):
Bike, but the other way around definitely correlates.

Speaker 41 (02:22:28):
So if I'm successful off the bike, it's when I'm
most successful on the bike, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:22:33):
Incredible insight just to finish Olympic debut last year in Paris.
Of course, I know this is a long term, but
do you have your eyes on LA twenty twenty eight
or no, oh yeah, man.

Speaker 41 (02:22:43):
Yeah, every the cycling world basically it's quite interesting. It
doesn't seem like it from the outside, I guess, but
the cycling world revolves around four year Olympic cycles, so
you know, you'll have lots of people signing teams until
the next Olympic cycle, or sponsors will signed until the
next Olympic cycle.

Speaker 42 (02:23:02):
So like, the reason we're up here at altitude this
year is because we're doing, like I saying, all the
medical tests so we can really accurately see how our
body adapts to altitude, so we know how to employ
it when it comes to twenty twenty eight. We give
ourselves all the data this year, we try with it
next year, and then we nail it in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 41 (02:23:22):
And there's lots of things planned for this year and
next year that are all dedicated to being the best,
strongest Sammy when it comes to twenty twenty eight for sure.

Speaker 14 (02:23:31):
Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:23:33):
Well, it's been a great twenty twenty five for you,
so far more to come, I'm sure, and then onwards
throughout the rest of the cycle, Sammy, it's been such
a delight to chat. Yeah, thanks for being so generous
with your time. I really appreciate you taking the taking
the call olais thanks mate, Thank you, Sammy, Sammy Maxwell. There,
pretty special human being, elite key we mountain biker. She
has the lead currently in the UCI World Cup rankings

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in the cross Country Olympic Women's Elite and always so authentic,
always so open, Always such a pleasure to chat to,
Sammy Maxwell. Fourteen all at Jerry Collins Stadium. That was
fourteen nil to Wellington when last I updated, jubid Otago
have bounced back with two converted tries. Twenty four minutes
gone out there. Fourteen plays fourteen Wellington v Otago in

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the Bunnings MPC twenty seven to three. We'll take a break,
come back with our coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith. He's gonna
tell us why talent is absolutely overrated among young sports people.

Speaker 1 (02:24:31):
Love Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend
Sport with Jason Vyan and GJ. Gunnos, New Zealand's most
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Speaker 2 (02:24:40):
Talks Envy twenty four to three. Mike says, great interview. Geesh,
she's good. I'm a fan. Good honor from Peter Jason,
where do you find these wonderful people loving Sammy? She's great,
and Julie says Piney. Sammy was head girl and ducks
at Pohuta College in Topour. We are immensely proud of
her and she is a very special human. Thanks for
all your feedback. We're joined now by our weekend sport

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coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith. Regular listeners to the show will
be well aware of Wayne's wisdom. Thanks for joining us
as always. Mate, you a new book out, The Talent
myth Why talent Isn't Worth? I won't say that word
just in case broadcast standards issues arise, but I think
you get the gist. Why did you write this one?

Speaker 7 (02:25:22):
Mate?

Speaker 8 (02:25:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (02:25:23):
Gay party, gay everybody there. Look over the years, there's
there's two or three threads in my professional if I
think it coming up is one is why do we
assume that every kid who picks up a rugby ball
could be should be, wants to be in the All Blacks?
And why do we assume that every kid who jumps

(02:25:45):
into a pearl wants to be Michael Phelps? Why do
we why is it that we associate the playing of
sport and playing is the.

Speaker 25 (02:25:54):
Keyword with ultimate success.

Speaker 20 (02:25:56):
It's like saying, if you're going to take hiking, you know,
take up bushwalking, Well, none of it's any good unless
you've done everest.

Speaker 25 (02:26:04):
So that that always confused me.

Speaker 20 (02:26:08):
I thought, you know, there's playing sport, enjoying sport, falling
in love with sport, and then there's the elite end
of sport.

Speaker 25 (02:26:15):
They're connected, but not for everybody.

Speaker 20 (02:26:18):
The other thing that's really been a thread through my
professional life is parenting.

Speaker 25 (02:26:22):
Is you know, how do parents help their kids.

Speaker 20 (02:26:26):
Not just be successful playing netball or be good at cricket,
but you know, how to parents help kids just be
great kids? How do they help them with values like
respect and hard work and honesty and integrity. And so
I'm kicking around these ideas to say, all right, well,
sport's bigger than just winning a grand same in tennis.

(02:26:50):
Parents are critical in the equation. What I need to
do is write a book that says to parents, look,
if your kid's been cut from the elite junior development team,
don't worry about it, because it's bigger than that.

Speaker 25 (02:27:02):
You're helping your kids be great kids.

Speaker 20 (02:27:04):
How do we then eat you help parents deal with
critical moments like you know, the car ride home, or
how do we help parents do, or with disappoint when
kids have been cut from teams. I haven't made the
success that they had to. So I said, what I've
got to do is show that talent and what we
think of talent is there's a myth.

Speaker 25 (02:27:23):
It's just a myth.

Speaker 20 (02:27:24):
Let's break all this elitism stuff down and just talk
about what sport's really about and then how parents and
coaches can help kids.

Speaker 2 (02:27:35):
As with everything you know, at a you know, in
any sport, and particularly at a young age, some kids
stand out.

Speaker 16 (02:27:42):
They just do.

Speaker 2 (02:27:43):
They stand out. But that's different, isn't it from talent
in your mind?

Speaker 25 (02:27:49):
Well, it really is piney.

Speaker 20 (02:27:50):
And look, it's funny when you start talking about this.
Everyone's got one of those stories of when I was
playing football or when I used to play tennis. Everyone
listening to your show, no doubt, has got a current
story or an old story where they could say, god,
you know, man, when I was at school and I

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was playing under twelves netball, there was a girl on
our team.

Speaker 25 (02:28:14):
It was two point nine meters.

Speaker 20 (02:28:16):
Thought, well, let's exaggerate, but there was there was a
player in our team.

Speaker 25 (02:28:21):
She could score from anywhere.

Speaker 20 (02:28:24):
She was twice the size, twice as big, just was
a dominant player. Everyone's got a story like that, but
you know everyone's also got the follow up story, which was,
you know what happened to her? She never played after
she was fifteen, you know, And everyone's got I even

(02:28:44):
I and you know where one hundred years old according
to the kids. But I grew up in Sydney playing
rugby league. Had great dreams of playing for the Kennery
Banks Down Bulldogs. My problem was I wasn't good enough,
wasn't fast enough, wasn't strong enough, and had no talent.
But we had a guy in our team in the
SG ball. His name was Les Sutton and under fifteen

(02:29:07):
level kid he scored one hundred tries in a season.
When this kid was big and strong, talk about a
man boy. He was incredible. But he wasn't playing at
sixteen because when it really came down to the things
that matter, hard work, working with other people, being respectful,

(02:29:29):
being coachable, being consistent with his training, all those things,
he didn't have any of those things. All he had
was being bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else.

Speaker 25 (02:29:40):
What they said was he was talented. The rest of
us weren't, and so.

Speaker 20 (02:29:45):
All the focus became on this guy and optimizing the physical.

Speaker 25 (02:29:50):
Elements of his talent.

Speaker 20 (02:29:51):
And even in the first chapter I used the term
and you and I talked about this before. We've got
to stop worshiping physical talent.

Speaker 25 (02:29:59):
It is overrated.

Speaker 20 (02:30:01):
Worshiping size, strength, speed, precocious, talented young age is such
a misleading, misguiding way to look at sport.

Speaker 2 (02:30:12):
So then, are there qualities that predict athletics succeeds better
than physical attributes?

Speaker 17 (02:30:20):
Well?

Speaker 25 (02:30:21):
I think they are. But this is the and this
is the conundrum that we've got.

Speaker 20 (02:30:25):
If I get two hundred under twelve rugby players lined
up in Welly tomorrow morning, and someone says, find me
the most talented kids, the easiest thing to do is
show me how many pushups you can physical quality, Show
me how fast you can run forty meters acceleration physical quality.

(02:30:48):
All right, we're going to do a how far can
you run in five minutes test? Physical quality. We're going
to do how high can you jump? Or how long
can you jump? Physical quality? We rely on those things
when we're doing talent I detalent identification programs because they're
largely objective. I can get kids to do a shuttle run,

(02:31:09):
so you scored six, you scored nine, Therefore you're better
at shuttle runs. You go high VO two max, whatever
it might be their objective measures. If I start saying,
you know what, I'm looking for the kid who, when
they're finished their shuttle run, turns around in cheers on
everyone else because it shows selflessness, it shows team behavior,

(02:31:33):
it shows that they care about their teammates and they
really love what they're doing. I'm looking for the kids
who've got who turn up early and do some warm
up and stretching and prepare themselves because that shows commitment, dedication,
that they love what they're doing. Those things are largely subjective,
and that's the whole issue that we have and why

(02:31:54):
this is such a battle for all of us in sport,
is that it's hard to argue with data. And even
though I can say to a parent, look, your kid's
brilliant at ten. However, no matter what the data says,
my experience, my background.

Speaker 25 (02:32:12):
Everything I know says that unless you build these.

Speaker 20 (02:32:16):
Other qualities, these characteristics, and teach them what I call
the championship choices, Unless you teach those things, No matter
what the data says, they're just not going to be
there fourteen, fifteen, sixteen and certainly not seenior athletes. So
an answer to your question, the data says this. What
I'm measuring is almost the immeasurable things, the difficult to

(02:32:38):
quantify things, the behaviors and attitude things.

Speaker 25 (02:32:42):
But it was It's interesting. I just got off the
phone to Verne Gambana.

Speaker 20 (02:32:47):
Really, if you're in sport, if you're in track and field,
particularly or swimming.

Speaker 25 (02:32:50):
Vern's are a legend.

Speaker 20 (02:32:52):
He's a genuine global legend United States, and he's just
been working with Summer Macintosh, who has just broken multiple
world records, won world championship gold medals in the sport
of swimming. She said, Canadian girl and Vernon and Ida,
we're just talking as two old guys do. And I've said,
what are the defining qualities of Summer?

Speaker 25 (02:33:13):
And he said, you know what.

Speaker 20 (02:33:15):
She would get up an hour early before training to
make sure she had a good breakfast, say she was ready.
And his words were, how many sixteen year olds are
doing that way? That's the sort of thing we're talking about.

Speaker 25 (02:33:26):
Piney is that? Yeah, Sure, she's obviously got great physical.

Speaker 20 (02:33:30):
Talent because she's won at the highest level, broke world records,
all that stuff. But immediately vern who's one of the
people that I really listened to, he said, But it's
who she is. It's her commitment, it's her passion, it's
her resilience, those things that have taken her talent from

(02:33:51):
just raw physical abilities and turn them into highly successful outcomes.
And the aim of the book is to say that
the parents look having Talent's great if it's measurable, and yeah, great,
I love that.

Speaker 25 (02:34:06):
But if you really want to help.

Speaker 20 (02:34:07):
Your kids, show them how to make difficult choices, teach
them the importance of respect and being honest and working hard.
Teach you know, if you're a coach, teach things like inquisitiveness,
so that kids go from just doing what they're told
to do, the kids going I wonder, what would happen
if I threw the ball to the left instead of right.

Speaker 25 (02:34:29):
What would happen if I did that a bit faster?

Speaker 20 (02:34:32):
Where you're teaching kids to be engaged and really invested
in their own destiny. They're the things that matter, but
they're hard to see sometimes, pinety, they're hard to quantify,
And it's this data versus non data world that we're trying.

Speaker 25 (02:34:48):
To marry together.

Speaker 2 (02:34:50):
It's you're right, Wayne, It's something you and I could
talk about for hours and hours and have in the past.
This worshiping of physical talent in youngsters. Unfortunately, it does
still occur, and kids are left out of certain teams
or not make the one that they want to make
because they're told they're supposedly untalented, don't have what it takes.
That sort of thing. How do you how do you

(02:35:12):
boost your children? We've got thousands of parents listening. How
do you boost your children back up? What do you
say to them when they say, I don't want to
play anymore?

Speaker 25 (02:35:21):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 20 (02:35:22):
And I've got a section in the back of the
book where I say to take parents through the difficult
conversations that they're likely that, well, they're really the difficult
situations where they're going to have to have conversations or
not conversations, sometimes saying nothing's just as powerful, where they're
going to run into those moments.

Speaker 25 (02:35:41):
Where you know, the kids got pictures of silver ferns
all over their wall. They're everything.

Speaker 20 (02:35:47):
Silver ferns have got autographs from players because they've attended
test matches and that's all they think about. And they're
ten years of age and they've been cut from the
local under eleven rep team and then and they're devastated.

Speaker 25 (02:36:01):
You know, they're for them, it's the end of the world.
It's it's and it's it's.

Speaker 20 (02:36:06):
They're feeling such powerful emotions of frustration, disappointment, anger, maybe
anger at themselves or anger at the coach you didn't
select them, and all that's going on.

Speaker 25 (02:36:15):
Their mom and dadd are going, God, I love this child.
I want to help them. What do I say at
this moment in time.

Speaker 20 (02:36:22):
That's that's got some sort of value other than some
sort of glib off en comment like I'd say, kay, darling,
it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 25 (02:36:29):
Well, of course it matters. It really matters to them
at that moment.

Speaker 20 (02:36:32):
And that's when your solid gold parenting has got to
come out of the box and come, what do I
say to my child who's been cut or has missed out,
or in their view, has failed at that moment of
time when I'm hurting as much as they are, and
I can't show them that I've hurting. So the first
advice I give to parents is, first of all, allow

(02:36:55):
them to feel. Don't be tempted to jump in and
see the anger and hurt and say stop.

Speaker 25 (02:37:02):
It, don't feel just move on. Because we're human.

Speaker 20 (02:37:06):
Being, We've got to allow ourselves to experience to a degree,
We've got to allow ourselves to experience whatever that moment.
But then for the child to go. You know what,
it doesn't matter if I got selected or not, or
I got cut or or not. My mum, my dad,
my brothers, my sisters, my nan you know what, they
love me no matter what.

Speaker 25 (02:37:27):
They're always there. I've just failed to achieve something that's
important to me, but it doesn't matter to them. They
love me.

Speaker 20 (02:37:36):
They show kindness, they show respect, they listen to me.
They're there for me no matter what happens. That's the
most powerful thing you can do as a parent, because
I think what parents do, Poney, in that moment they
want to call over parent, is they start to play
the role of coach. Psychologists, psychiatrists, counsel are everything they

(02:37:58):
wanted to trying to remove the pain and the hurt
the child's fairly in that moment in time. What I know,
working with a lot of psychologists on my team, is
allow them to feel and to just go through a
period of feeling anger and frustration, but then to look
at you and go go. My mum and dad are
brothers and sisters. M Nan magranted, my coach. They stand

(02:38:22):
by me no matter what happens. What I get from
them is consistency. I get from them support, unconditional love
that then gives them the courage and base and the
strength to go, Yeah, okay, I'll get up and go again,
because that's in.

Speaker 25 (02:38:38):
The end, that's what we want.

Speaker 20 (02:38:39):
We don't want them to go through life trying to
avoid all experiences of trying something and failing, because it's
going to happen to all of us. It's happened a bit,
but we want them to go. You know what, if
I fail, I get up and go again because the
people who matter in my life are always there for
me and for the parents listening that that moment, that's

(02:39:04):
really what parenting is about. Is your child is hurting,
is struggling and going but look at those two people,
that person standing there, they just love me no matter
what I'm going to do it again. If I fail again,
the things that matter to me are really still there.

Speaker 25 (02:39:22):
If you can do that as a parent, You've done
an amazing job.

Speaker 2 (02:39:26):
Just a snapshot of the incredible advice that you'll find
in Wayne Goldsmith's latest book, The Talent Myth Why Talent
Isn't Worth? And I think you can complete the title.
It's available on Amazon dot com right now. Wayne, thanks
so much for joining us and giving us the benefit
of your expertise. As always, congrats on this book, mate.
We'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 20 (02:39:45):
Well, if there's anyone in this industry that's telling it
at you, Piney, we both know that you know I
should write a book one day called The Talent Unmith
the Jason Pines Story.

Speaker 2 (02:39:56):
I'm not sure you'd sell many, but it's always it's
always good to get up.

Speaker 25 (02:40:00):
My friend.

Speaker 2 (02:40:01):
Thank you, thank you very much, No, thank you, Wayne.
Wayne Goldsmith there joining us in a semi regular, in
fact pretty regular fashion a year on Weekend Sport eight
to three News Talks.

Speaker 1 (02:40:11):
EPYK analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting
world to Weekend Sport with Jason Pie they call O
eight hundred and eighty and eighty News.

Speaker 2 (02:40:21):
Talks ENVY five to three and that is the final
whilstil pretty much on Weekend Sport for today and for
the weekend. It's been great having the extra hour at
the front of the show. We should say if we
can make that a permanent thing. I'm not sure Francesca
Rudgan would be a great fan of it. The listeners
probably wouldn't either. Maybe we go back to three hours
next week. We're four hours on Sunday again with the
second Test. Anyway, I digress. Thank you for listening in

(02:40:43):
to beverage on the radio after three o'clock with the
Weekend Collective. Massive thanks to Anny McDonald four all the
heavy lifting over the last couple of days. Thanks mate,
joy a couple of hours of rest and recreation this afternoon.
We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow night, of course, and
back on Weekend Sport next week. Exit song today, Well
it had to be an Australian song really, given what
the Wallabies managed to all us part and Joe Burgh

(02:41:07):
nearly as of this morning, so I've just gone with
Hoodo Gurus and their biggest hit out of nineteen eighty seven.
What's my scene taking us out today? We'll see tomorrow
night on Sports Talk.

Speaker 1 (02:42:05):
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