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Speaker 4 (00:27):
There, you're a good afternoon. Welcome into the Sunday edition
of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. October nineteen, Happy
sixty third birthday to former heavyweight world champion Evander Holyfield.
I'm Jason Pine Show producer. Today Tyra Robbers. We're here
talking sport until three. A very special guest to lead
us off today, lou Vincent. An extended chat coming up

(00:49):
with the former Black Caps batsman who scored a century
on Test Day bill against Australia, played all three formats
for New Zealand over one hundred One Day internationals and
amongst that, was lured into match fixing, handed a life
ban from All Cricket. Had that band relaxed and is
now using his time and energy to educate others to
help them avoid the traps he fell into. Lou Vincent

(01:13):
with us very shortly. Other matters around today Kiwi squash
number one and world number three Paul Cole last weekend
became the first New Zealander to win the prestigious Cutter Classic.
This weekend he's in Philadelphia for the US Squash Open.
He's with US for a chat after one International Rugby
League hits Go Media Stadium this afternoon and tonight Kiwei
Ferns against some More, followed by the Kiwis against some More.

(01:36):
Kiwi's utility Phoenix Crossland is with us this afternoon. Canterbury
will host Otago in the NPC Final after dispatching Hawks
Bay in their home semi last night. We'll cover that off.
New Zealand bred horse Kaying Rising has confirmed his superstar
status winning the world's richest race on turf, the twenty
million dollar the Everest Race at Randwick. It was bred

(01:59):
here in New Zealand by Fraser Oret, who joins US
for a chat. Draws for the Phoenix and Auckland FC
to start their A League men's football seasons. We'll get
some reaction from the two head coaches and the latest
from stateside with US sports expertly On Busby, including this
absolutely remarkable baseball performance from Shohei O'tani. James mcconey in

(02:20):
his regular slot around one forty five as well Live
Sport this afternoon in the Heartland Championship. Mitt Canterbury won
the Meads Cup yesterday Today it's the Lahure Cup final
from five past two North Otago against Holofonuwa Company at
mahinaor Rugby Club just south of Uamoru or keep you
updated once that game kicks off at two. We would
love you to join the show. Oh eight hundred and

(02:42):
eighty ten eighty We'll get your throw on the phone.
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nine and a half past midday weekends. For lou Vincent
was one of our most explosive, exciting, energetic cricketers. He

(03:02):
played all three formats for the black Caps between two
thousand and one in two thousand and seven, including one
hundred and two One Day internationals, scoring three Test centuries
and another three ODI hundreds. One of those international hundreds
was on Test debut against Australia at the Whacker in
two thousand and one, when he made one hundred and

(03:22):
four against a bowling attack of Glenn McGrath, Jason Gillespie,
Brett Lee and Shane warn He followed it up with
fifty four in the second innings at the base from
Reserve and Wellington. At the end of the summer of
two thousand and four five he made two hundred and
twenty four to guide New Zealand to an innings win
over Sri Lanka. Lu Vincent lost his New Zealand contract

(03:44):
in two thousand and eight, played county cricket and signed
up for the Indian Cricket League arrival to the Indian
Premier League, where he was recruited into a spot fixing ring.
In July twenty fourteen, he admitted eighteen breaches of the
England and Wales Cricket Board's anti corruption rules and was
banned from cricket for life. Nine and a half years later,

(04:07):
in December twenty twenty three, that band was relaxed, allowing
him to be involved in cricket at domestic level and below.
In August of last year, he was presented with a
cap marking his one hundred one day International appearances, nearly
seventeen years after he earned it. The presentation made by
Sir Richard Hadley. According to Gerard Elias Kase, who hurt

(04:30):
his appeal. The loosening of his band was due in
large part to lu Vincent demonstrating the very highest levels
of contrition and remorse and the very best efforts to
make amends wherever possible. To that end, he last week
addressed a Victoria Police symposium in Melbourne which covered a

(04:51):
range of integrity related issues in sport. Lou Vincent is
with us on weekend Sport. Lou, thanks for taking the time.
Let's start with your speech in Melbourne. What sort of
content did you cover.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Well, because it was a priz First of all, thanks
very much for having me on your station today and
you know, obviously hats off in respect for what you've
you've created, you know, bringing bringing sport to our radios
around the world. We would turn in so this week
it was because it was behind closed doors and you

(05:25):
know there was there was no media involved. It was
you know, you could obviously share a lot more uh
stories about you know what what what had happened to
me and the journey through the introduction and as you said,
being recruited into that spot fixing ring, and you know,
it's all about the integrity of sport which where you

(05:48):
know which you know you and I are sitting at
home watching a game of Robi or a game of
soccer or a game of cricket.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
We want to we want to.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
See it being played at one hundred percent. You know,
it's not only as a fan, but you know, the
sponsors that are involved, and also for our children to
continue on the sporting legacy of all the codes and
get them playing and keep getting them active and getting
them outdoors playing sports. So the integrity is a massive

(06:15):
part of protecting the game. And I think you know, I,
along with most of your listeners, I'm sure we've all
had a text message or an email from scammers around
the world constantly trying to you know, breach you know,
you know, a trustworthy world that we wish we had
lived in, but we've got to be pretty vigilant that Unfortunately,

(06:37):
there's there's there's money and humans. There's going to be
greed and potential corruption. So my biggest, you know, my
biggest asset I bring to the table for these sports
integrity gathering bodies is you know, first hand experience about
how it happened and how I got recruited and who

(06:58):
was involved and share these stories so the organization can
be aware of potential sort of risks to the.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
To the sport.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
How like, how high, lou do you think that risk
to the integrity of sport is? You know, like modern day,
how high is that is that risk to the integrity
of sport?

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, a lot more sports and it's not just you
know the professional sports which is live on TV. We're
seeing you know, club soccer games, you know, club cricket
games all now streamed on the internet. And whenever something's
live and whenever something's streamed online, there's there's potential bidding sites,
you know, gambling sites around the world that are we'll

(07:45):
have odds on it. And there's also a lot of
illegal bidding sites around the world that operate and you know,
I don't know the figures, but it's huge money, huge,
huge money in the black black market. And you know,
I think we're seeing you know, I know here in
New Zealand where you know, a lot of sporting clubs
are are struggling with not only volunteers, but they're struggling

(08:05):
financectually to keep running. So the vulnerability of clubs being approached,
which which is the true story of it's happening. You know,
these these bidding significates are reaching out to any club
at any level, you know, offering sponsorship, and what comes
with that is you know sort of you know, potential

(08:26):
manipulation to the results of games. So you know, it's
not just what I said before, the professional athletes, just
just sometimes your club, your club player can be approached
as well, which which we're seeing. So it's quite scary.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Jason, how did you get recruited?

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Well, seven years of having anti coruption meetings with the ICC,
which is all part of you know, playing domestic cricket
in the National Cricket Every tour you go on, you
sit there for half an hour and you get told
by a former cop that you know, be careful of this,
and be careful of the bookies and be careful of
the honey tricks and stuff. And you know, when when
I got approached in India at the ICL, it was

(09:03):
an unsanctioned tournament, so you know, we didn't have that
sort of protect The education was always there, and you know,
and a real brief, brief, brief summary of what happened
to me was, you know, the phone ranger was an
Indian guy offering a batting sponsorship, which happens every time
you go to India. But because we you know, sort
of turned our back on mainstream cricket and signed up

(09:24):
for this rebel league where we were all free agents. So
we met the Indian feller and chatted for you know,
ge'z a good hour or so, and you know, it was,
as they do, they make you, they make you feel
pretty good. And a couple of whiskeys later, and you know,
your year, he goes pumped up. And you know, by
that stage, I'd come off a bit of a heavy
mental breakdown at the end of my career, and you know,

(09:47):
to had that sort of attention felt good and then wham.
That's when you know, once he thought he built that
trust with me, it was like, well the business is
actually you're going to be spot fixing and and here's
fifteen thousand cash and handed over to me. And that's
when your penny dropped that this is all those years
of education, this is this is that that situation. I've

(10:08):
been approached by a bookie and so I managed to
get out of that room as quick as I could
and went straight to my manager and reported it. And
she was going to hand it over to the security
at the hotel and sort from there. So that was
the end of that part. But on the way back
down to my room, went past, you know, a fellow

(10:30):
cricketers room and and.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
I, I said, you wouldn't believe it.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
They've told told them the story, and I said, this
is what happened, and you know, and you know, And
then it's sort of that moment of science of you've
done the right thing, but now you're going to be
working for me, And there I am saying yes straight away.
So so when I do talk to these governing bodies,
I say, it's it's not so much the people that, yeah,

(10:55):
you don't know, you're gonna worried about. It's the people
that you do know that recruit as well. And that's
how it happened to me and and and that's how
it all sort of started, the spot fixing syndicate. I
was recruited into with people I knew and felt safe
and I felt, yep, everyone else seems to be doing it.
And you know, this cripts just like a bunch of

(11:19):
critters playing in the backyard.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
It just happens to be on TV.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
It's unsanctioned and let's let's get a piece of the
pipe because everybody else is so you know, in a
real brief nut show. That's how it's sort of evolved
for me, that world and certainly changed my life for
the worst. And it's it's something I'm unfortunate I've got
to live with for the rest of my life. Yeah,
I've done, you know, years and years of work behind

(11:44):
the scenes to use what I've been through to help
the game and give give respect back to the game
which I took it away, and you know, the summer
summed up with you know, at the end of it,
you know, applying you know to the ECB to have
the band possibly looked at, and without any sort of hesitation,

(12:04):
they said, no, you've, as you said before my introduction,
you've you've, you've created the benchmark of what's required for
players you know, silly enough to be involved to repair
the damage that you've done, and you know the good
you're doing for the game behind the scenes. And then
to Richard Hadley wanting to fly up and present, that
kept to me was a real powerful, you know association

(12:27):
for me, because that guy, as we know, is just
a complete legend and new Zealand Sport and for them
to aligne from the South with me and presenting that
kept to me was it was a night I'll never forget.
And for my family to be there and you know,
the Lawyers and Players Association New Zealand Cricket to put
that on, Yeah it was. It's awesome, awesome, really really grateful,
and yeah, I'm trying to, yeah, not look in the

(12:50):
path too much and just try and use every for
the negative negativity and rough experience and bad experience and
send it into a good one. So that's my role
in life now and I hope that you know, with
these supposings that I go to and these y speaking
engagements I do, it's a way of sharing my story
in and helping helping people and helping sporting associations to

(13:14):
protect the integrity of the sport.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
When you were asked a spot, folks, what did you
have to do?

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Well at the time, it was score, score ten to
fifteen runs off twenty balls and get out, which was
pretty much just bat normally.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
No suspicion, No suspicion was raised. It was just what
Levinson does.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, get paid fifty grand for batting normally, Okay, no worries,
obviously not. You know, it's all controlled and it's all
you know, it's not so much about the winning and
losing of a game. It's about you know, what's what's
bet on and segments of the game and sessions of
the game. So that was certainly my role as the
opening batsman's to score ten to fifteen and get out.

(14:00):
But the last game, the last game, I think it's
documented somewhere, certainly in the court case I was involved with,
was you know, when I was supposed to get out,
I accidentally Darreth kind of look at to miss it,
get stumped. And I still stay to this day. I
swear to God that ball had a big rock on
the pitch and it spun into the middle of my
back and went over the boy's head down to Longland
who stumbled the catch over his head for six. So

(14:23):
instead of getting out, I hit a six. So I
wasn't very good at that spot sexing doing my job.
How were you paid well that that particular time. It
was all once we had set up you know, overseas
it was it was it was money owed to us

(14:43):
and and and serently from the the person that recruited me.
You know, he never he never fulfilled that and and
that story I told you about hitting at six off
that ball when I was supposed to get out. Yeah,
he made it very clear that night.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
It was.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
He was very aggressive to me and said that I'd
cost the business millions that night and I lost all
that money. So you know it was Yeah, it was
a double double kick in the guts by morally doing
things wrong and then obviously not getting anything for it.
But you know, we could talk for hours, and that's
what I do, you know is obviously that's just a
real small snippet of of how the next fix thing

(15:22):
evolved for me in a certain part of it. You know,
I did. I did get paid via the course, which
which you know, that's that's more of a chat for
at another time or at ten one of my sessions,
and listen to the detailed stories that I do share
that I don't think I share those stories today on

(15:43):
the air.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
That fair enough. Why did you decide to come clean
and admit your involvement A.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Couple of reasons. Firstly myself. You know, when you look
in the mirror and you see this double life you're living,
and you know at the stage I have two young
daughters and you're trying to teach them, you know, trust
and being you know, loyal and have good morals and
you know how yeah, how can you say that? And
when you went and you know, cricket gave me everything,

(16:10):
you know, Yeah, I loved it, from you know, the
age of four picking out my first bat and right
through you know, to playing against Shane warn and Steve
Warre and scoring one hundred on debut and representing my country.
You know, it's cricket gave me everything, gave me a life.
You know, I wasn't mentally or prepared for that professional
world and it showed with my in consistencies and certainly,

(16:33):
you know the breakdown towards the end, I wasn't. I wasn't.
I didn't have the tools to be able to deal
with that professional world. And it's it's rather sad because
I was clearly good enough and to not fulfill my
potential was frustrating. So being a parent looking at the
mirror of myself and obviously you know the game of
cricket itself and what had given me in and also

(16:55):
the people that did get me involved in the spot
fixing and to see them heavily involved with cricket academies
and commentary and other parts cricket was like hearing stories
of them still recruiting. It was like, well, there's four
or five reasons why I need to come forward. I'd retired. Yeah,
there was questions been asked about me, but you know,
to sit down with Heath Mills and say, hey, can

(17:16):
we catch up for coffee and see that coffee stayed
on that table for about eight hours and didn't touch
it while I shared the stories from from day one
right through and you know, you know I didn't make
any excuses. I've owned it. You know, the consequences from
from coming forward. I had no idea what was going

(17:37):
to happen with bands or court cases or you know,
losing losing respect and I have lost a lot of
friends in cricket, and that's totally expected. You know, you
start life again and you know you realize that, you know,
you meet a lot of people in that world, but
you know there's only one or two that stick by
you through the tough times. And yeah, it's been been

(17:59):
a real hard road along road since the end of
my career and where to today. It's taken differently taken
it to toll. I'm certainly grateful for the people I've
attracted to help me through this. And as I said,
because I didn't make any excuses and I've owned it
and I've done my time, I sort of kind of feel, yeah,
things are opening up for me now. And you know

(18:19):
the Black Clash game Duco put on down and christ
Church last year, that was huge. That was that was
a massive nervous occasion for me to put my foot
back into the arena and I wasn't quite sure what
the response was going to be, but you know, as
an Aucklander walking out on the pitching christ Church and
having the Cantabs standing clap here, it was again another

(18:40):
powerful moment and in my in my return into the public.
So I'm extremely grateful.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, I think it's it's just awesome that you know,
we we have you back. I guess we could say
how tough were the toughest times for you?

Speaker 5 (18:58):
You know, you understand suicide and you understand possibly why
people do it, and you know you go to some
pretty dark places. Is when you know you're not you're
not proud of the person that you've become. And it's
funny when you when you're sort of labeled something, all
of a sudden, everyone else thinks you're you know, it's
very quick to throw other labels at you. And and

(19:20):
you know, when you're down, people love kicking you down
and keeping you down. And you know, it's like I said,
I'm here today. I've been resilient. You know, every time
I did look in the mirror, there was that moment
of what have I done? So I just kept quiet.
But no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't change anything because where
I'm at today with a beautiful wife and a son,

(19:42):
my son, Vinnie, he's eighteen eighteen months old, and you know,
my daughters do in a couple of weeks. You know,
the right ship with my two teenage daughters is a
strange as strange and unfortunately and dealing with alien nation
as a parent, it was you know, the cricket stuff
was hard. But to go through family court and to

(20:02):
live without your daughters around, it's it's it's frustrating. But
I see where I am today of a second chart
to the family, it's simple life and a drama free life.
And you know, stoke to be invited to these events
where we have to really share my stories to help

(20:25):
associations in the integrity and sport around.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
The world as you have today. Just while I've got you,
I want to ask about your test debut Australia. Australia
at the whack Are You're twenty three years old. You
walk out to open the batting on the first morning
with Rigor. He gets out in the sixth over. After
six overs, you're still on nought. Matthew Sinclear gets out.
You're nineteen for two. But then it all turns around.
You get one hundred. What stands out most about that

(20:50):
day Steve.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
Or knew my name before my first ball.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
You take gad. You look up and you see Ben
mcgra at the top of the top of us run
up and you can't see any Australians until you look
behind the stumps and there's gilessians, seven slips, all clapping
their hands, chewing the towing gum. And Steve will walks
up to me and goes, hey, lou everybody gets a
duck in their first game. And I just remember walking
down to Rigoran say, Steve all knows my name, I'd
like to get his autograph.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
It's amazing. But the bowling attack as you say mcgrag Allispie,
britt Lee, you know, one hundred and sixty clicks, Shane
warn but you get a hundred.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, Oh well, hey listen, it's it's a dream, dream
come true. And you know it's obviously I got one hundred,
and everyone else thought, well out of Fluke can get
a hundred, and then four other guys one hundreds that
day as well, so it was pretty easy. I think
the Australians were, hey, who knows, No, I won't say that,
but no, no, it was.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
It was.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
It was an incredible test match for New Zealand overall,
and we came so close on that last day when
Gillespie gloved it down the eax side forty minutes to
go with Brett Lee and McGrath in the hut. We
you know, things could have been different than if the
umpire put stuff his finger up. But no, just just fantastic,
so many great stories mcg Last week my introduction was

(22:11):
to say it was good to be back here. The
last time I was here, I faced the world's fastest
bar one hundred and sixty one point five hilling is
an now from Sean hit me twice on the leg
and I lift in my pants and I drew it
on with a vivid and I said, look, I've still
got the bruise to prove it.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
That's great, I got I've got to smile.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
I've got to smile out of the cops. You don't
have to get cops giggling. So it was It's good
to share some fun stories as well as the dark stories.
And that's I think all your listeners can relate to that.
You know, you need bad times to make the good
times better. And you know it grounds us when we are,
you know, sort of at our lowest points in life
to reassess life and where we want to get to.

(22:48):
And you know again that's that's my role in life
now is to help as many people as I.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Can just to wrap this low And it's been brilliant
chatting to you, mate, and you've been so so honest
and authentic. What is your what is your relationship with
cricket now?

Speaker 5 (23:09):
You know, very rarely do I reach out to any players.
You know, I'm grateful for guys I've been McCullum that
have you know, sort of stood up and had to
go through, you know, the case with me, and he
showed support and he's gone on to some pretty great
achievement Stephen Fleming. You know Daniel Toy last year. You know,

(23:30):
when I see him, it's great. But you know, will
I be a coach commentator? Probably not. I'm you know,
I think I'll just be doing some work behind the scenes.
But I just want to be a good person to
my family and the closest around me, so we'll see.
I'm not forcing anything. I was just letting it organically
play out.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
No, it's been brilliant getting the chance to chet to you, mate,
exciting time of head as you as you look forward
to and your arrival into your life as well and
become a dad for the fourth time. Yeah again mate,
I appreciate you. You're being so honest and open with
us this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (24:05):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I know our listeners have got a lot out of
it and would have loved hearing from you again.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, And like I said that this week, we just
got to do everything we can to keep a checking
sport because you know, we just don't want to see
you see you see anyone go through what I've been
through and the sport doesn't need it. So yeah, on
with it upwards. All the best of you, Loo, chet
Chase and all the best to everybody out there as well.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Thank you lu Vincent joining us on weekend Sport. Keen
to get your reaction to what you heard there extended
in the view. We don't normally chat to guess for
that long, but but there we are. Eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Leuvin since made a mistake, a big one,
but he owned it. He owned up to it. He

(24:48):
didn't have to meet with Heath Mills and come clean.
He could have kept a lit on it, He could
easily have kept a lid on it, but it was
clearly eating him up and confessing was what he needed
to do to find peace, and as a result, he
was handed the heaviest possible sentence, a life ban from
the sport that he'd loved his whole life, and what

(25:11):
he did has affected his life and his livelihood, cost
him his relationship with his two older daughters. But in
the words of the man who heard his appeal against
his life ban, he showed the very highest levels of
contrition and remorse and the very best efforts to make
amends wherever possible. Look, lou Vincent can't change the past,

(25:32):
much as I'm sure he'd love to. We can't turn
the clock back, but he can react in a positive
fashion to what's happened. As humans, and I think as Kiwis,
we admire people who own their mistakes rather than deflect them,
rather than make excuses, rather than blame everybody else apart
from themselves. We are all human. None of us is perfect.

(25:55):
Your thoughts on what you heard from Lou Vincent oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty got to get a
break away twenty seven away from one, Barbara, Jared, please
hold one a chat to you in a moment. There's
a spear line for you as well. Eight D eight
eight back at a moment On Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 4 (26:25):
You want to stare, Barbara, I Amy, you're on the
Air's what's on your mind?

Speaker 12 (26:34):
About eighteen months or so ago, my son was in
a state of depression and was I'm pretty sure it
was at Fonanaki. He was walking along the beach and
he met Lou and Lou when I don't know how

(26:54):
the conversation started. Whatever it was that Lou said Togere
to my son had a huge impression and Lou just
opened up. The positive and positive vibes that my son
got was and it still is. He often speaks about
it now. So this was before the I think. I

(27:19):
don't know how long it was after Lou came back, but.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
It was, Oh, Barbara, we've just lost you. Oh that
was such a good I wanted to hear more. Barbara,
please call back. You just dropped off the line there.
My apologies if it was our end, Please call back.
I want to hear a bit more about that. Hi, Jared,
by Pony here you going good, Jared, good?

Speaker 10 (27:40):
That was a shame was as you was enjoying listening
to the lady's story there. But hopefully we'll get to
hear the rest of the story later.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Indeed, well you're on the end now, Jared. What are
your thoughts on the interview with Hello or on lu Vincent?

Speaker 10 (27:56):
Yeah? Hey, look, Pinney really enjoyed the interview with Lou.
What a sobering and honest account from Lou. I just
have so much respect for the guy, what he's been
through and to where he is today and it was
interesting to mention the time when he got off the
money and spoke to his manager and returned it and

(28:19):
then got approached.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
By Yeah he Jared, just just ar, yeah, just be
really careful here. But yep, I know I know what
you're going to say, but yeah, but just be careful
with in terms of.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
What I won't meant your names yet. No, I'm with
your pony on that, but yes, we know who that was.
But Lou mentioned about looking in the mirror. Well, at
least Lou can look in the mirror today because he
was honest. And I've always felt that at least he
came out was honest and you've got to admire that
that guy for that. And yeah, that was It was

(28:54):
interesting what he said when he got that moment in
Canery here with the crowd, and he mentioned it was
a very powerful moment and I can only imagine the
relief for him to get some validation for where he
was at that stage. And I'm sure it meant a

(29:15):
lot to him.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well said Jared. Well said, you're right, because he might
have had some trepidation, right, he might have had some
trepidation that when he walked out that you know I'm
sure he wasn't really one hundred percent certain what the
reaction would be. And look, I think, as I said,
and you've expanded on this, I think we all admire

(29:36):
people who can look in the mirror admit that they've
made mistakes. I mean, goodness, which of us hasn't, you know,
most of ours don't play out on the public eye
like this and cost us our livelihood and big parts
of our life. But yeah, the contrition and the ownership
of it, I think is the thing that we admire
the most. So good on you, mate, great point, well made.
Hold them. I've got Barbara back on the line. Barbara,

(29:57):
we lost you just as you were talking about your
son meeting Lou. Was it a completely chance meeting?

Speaker 12 (30:02):
Absolutely, Gary must captidly be walking on the beach and
he was working there and in Finaki at the time,
was just on his one of his walks, and but
he just opened up to him. And when Gary realized
who it was, but you know he was talking to,

(30:24):
and and the honesty and it just it struck and
has remained with him. He speaks of it often and
it's and it certainly I think helped him in a
lot of the decisions that he made since then. Amazing, amazing, man.

(30:44):
I'm so glad he's back.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Got on your Barbara, I'm so glad we got you
back to complete the story. Yeah, just a completely chance
meeting like that, that that can be a powerful force,
you know. I mean, I'm sure lu Vincent finds all
of this cathartic without wanting to get inside his head.
I'm sure or that he finds it cathartic, the ability

(31:10):
to tell his story but also to help other people,
not just people he runs into on the beach, like
your son, Barbara, but in an official capacity, like the
conference he's been running with the Victorian police. He was
telling me in the lead up to the end Ofview,
they've beenrying get him over there for ages. They see
his story as a case study, a cautionary tale of

(31:33):
what can happen, because you know what these things are like.
Somebody can get up in front of a bunch of
players or in front of you know, an audience and
talk about the traps and talk about the you know,
the things to avoid. But when someone can do it
from having walked in those shoes, it is so much
more powerful, so much more powerful. Chris want to chat

(31:57):
to you in a minute. Please hold there, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're going to talk a
bit more about Lou. Between now and one o'clock eighteen
and a half to one us talk said.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Be the tough Questions of a weekend sport with Jason
Tyne and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Coming up quarter to one. Paul Cole on the show
after one o'clock we're talking about chat with Lou. Vince
and Chris. Appreciate your holding.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
Good afternoon, you, good afternoon, finey Hey, look congratulations mate.
That that was one of the best interviews. You know
there were sportsman on issues other than playing sport that
I've heard, And look, I applaud you for the way
that you just let him go, you know, and and

(32:41):
get it out.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Thanks, Chris.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
I mean, look, gee, look man, he was a great
cricket to watch.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Just thinking, sorry Chris, just I did butt in there,
but I was thinking exactly that during the heir break.
You know, he used to absolutely smash it, didn't he.
I sill love watching him bat.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
Yeah, and look, listen, he was a good He would
have been probably one of our test o't the investment. Look,
look he I remember that test, you know, and that
was probably one of four at least the Australian umpires
cost us.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
I mean, I mean, yes, that's so true, Chris.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
I mean and not he never walked, is Gleasbie should
have walked?

Speaker 13 (33:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (33:26):
I mean he he did everything he could and on
debut against the best pace attack in the world and
the best spin bowler to set up a victory for
New Zealand. So you know, like yeah, and as you say,
I liked it tear wise when he walked out of
Hagley in January, you know, for that rugby first cricket match.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, and look, he's been to some dark places, it's obvious,
but you know, redemption is available I think to people
who who who show contrition, who owned their mistakes, and look,
there's I'm sure even if he did say during the
interview like he wouldn't change anything, I'm sure he would.
I'm sure if he went back and could go back
in time and not not be lured, and I'm sure

(34:07):
that he would take that that that option, because he
went to some pretty dark places after that. But now
that he's done it, you can't change it like any
of us, Chris, you know, you just have to act
positively in in a forward moving manner that day, like
isn't that wasn't a great story, how he was. He
was quite excited that Steve Ward knew his name. I

(34:28):
thought that he wanted to get its straight.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
And when he wanted to get in an autograph and
and and when he looked out in the field, there
was there was there was no idea done at the
bottle in front of the worker.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
That's right, well, I mean that see, and that was
the Australian team at that time. You know, you look
at that team and I mentioned the bowling Attap, McGrath, Gillespie,
Lee and Warren, but the others and that he's there,
he's their team, Langer and Hayden, opening, Ponting, Mark Wore,
Steve Ward, Damien Martin, Adam Gilchrist at seven and then
Warn Lee, Gillespie, McGrath. That is a generational team of cricketers.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
And we nearly we nearly Fiming made surprised delcerate declaration
at in Brisbane and nearly pulled off a win there
in the first Test. So look, hey, just one other
thing before I go, look, I know that I know
that we've got there's a twenty twenty World Cup going
coming up, and I know that Australia, a few Australian

(35:25):
and those English players that have come out here of
these twenty twenties are involved in the Ashes next month.
But fago, it is such an absolute dumb idea to
risk playing cricket in New Zealand and October, which is
traditionally our wed this month.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, it's a shame, isn't it. Chris So, I started
watching that game last night thought, oh, it looks like
down there. I had and checked the forecast or anything,
and look, I you know, I love all kinds of cricket.
I taest Cricket's my favorite, obviously, but I love watching
any kind of cricket. But yeah, it just it's just
like to you know, pardon the pun, but it just
put a whole temper on it, didn't it. You know
the fact that it was raining and we didn't get
to bad. Hopefully it'll be better. I think they Plagugain

(35:59):
tomorrow night, don't they. So hopefully it's so they do
they do.

Speaker 8 (36:02):
Yeah, I mean it was unfortunate. I was down and
with canby last weekend and it was twenty sixth and
christis on the sad day, you know, twenty twenty eight
nxt bird, you know for the seventy five of the
part of the cup. So you know, so yeah, so
hopefully I mean, and they got the third one in Orphan.
Well that's always going to be a risk.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
In it at least if if it's no good, you
just wait an hour up there, Chris and it just
changes to something of it. Better good to chat to
you mate. Things indeed, Yeah, that that test lou Vincent's
Test Daboo at the whack of the third Test in
the two thousand and one series, and New Zealand needed
to win that test to square the series. It ended

(36:42):
in a drawer, but New Zilla won the toss and
batted Mark Richardson and Louvinsent opened the batting. As I
said to lou Vincent, Mark Richardson got out in the
sixth over. It was twelve for one at that point.
Luvinson still hadn't scored a run after six overs on
his test debut, getting all sorts of jib no doubt
from some of those Australians I just mentioned Matthew Sinclair

(37:03):
came in at three and quickly went so they were
nineteen for two at the end of the seventh over.
But then it all turned around. Stephen Fleming came out
and he and Leeuvince and both scored centuries, as did
Nathan Astaal one hundred and fifty six not out and
then for good measure Adam Perrori also got a ton
one hundred and ten five point thirty four for nine declared.
New Zealand got Australia all out three fifty one. New

(37:27):
Zealand and their second and He's two fifty six for
nine declared. Luvinton got fifty in editings as well, top
scored in the second innings and then Australia three point
eighty one for seven. And there was a very controversial
incident where it looked as though Jason Gillespie had gloved
a ball down the leg side to New Zealand wicket
keeper Adam Perori, but it wasn't given. Those of them

(37:48):
must be in two thousand and one, the days before
DRS and they got away with the drawer and a
series win. But it was a pretty famous Test match
and the first four Lleuvinson a couple of texts to
get through before we go to a break. Amazing interview.
Jason embe choked up, didn't seek to hide behind anyone.
Was great that you had leu on. Thank you, Peter.
Great interview. Everyone deserves a second chance. He's paid for

(38:11):
so much, but he has allowed another chance. Anthony says, personally,
I always thought of life ban was a bloody tough
sentence for a man who came clean by himself when
he could have said nothing. That was a brave thing
to do. Good luck to him, Mass says Piney. I'm
struggling to forgive because I'm a massive sports fan in
all sports, and when I watch games, I want to
know that they are playing to their full potential. And
finding out later they've either used performance in ancing drugs

(38:33):
or throwing games for money destroys any hope I have
about what as a fan I'm doing watching them. But
Lou came across well and I hope to one day
shake his hand must I'm sure he'd love to shake
yours as well. Pinty. One of the things I found
interesting was that it was someone he knew that hooked
him in. Hope things go well for him in the

(38:54):
rest of his life, and Robin says, I love the
part about Sir Richard Hadley handing over Lou's cap for
his one hundred one day Internationals and how everyone thought
very high of Sir Richard and Sir Richard wanted to
make that presentation. Yeah, that was really cool. That was
really cool. Eight and a half to one US talks

(39:15):
B back in a moment.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
When it's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
You made a call on eight hundred ten eighty Weekend
Sports with Jason Hine News Talks.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
B five to one. Piney. Yet two thousand and one
was a drawn series, not a loss for New Zealand.
The last test was for us to win it. Yes,
I'm sorry, my profuse apologies. Three tests, all draws in Brisbane,
in Hobart and at the Whacker. So yes, we would
have won the series had we managed to clinch that
third test at the Whacker. Thank you for pointing that out. Yes,

(39:46):
I don't quite know why I thought that it was
a lost test series. I guess I just kind of
assume that when we go to Australia we don't win
very often, which is true. But no, no, a drawn series.
Three test matches, all draws, Catherine says, Levin's an amazing interview,
so much more than Sport been looking forward to hearing it.
It did not disappoint I don't normally listen to it Sport.

(40:06):
That was really great, Catherine. Thank you. If you can
dip in just for an interview like that, then we're
happy to have you along for any of the any
of the time that you can spare us. If you
did miss our chat with lou Vincent, it will be
online very shortly at newstalk SHADB dot co dot Nz
or via iHeartRadio if you would like to find it

(40:28):
if you heard it, or and you want to listen
back or did not hear it. Yeah, one of the
more insightful interviews I think I've done in recent times.
It'll be on News TALKSAB dot co dot Nz or iHeartRadio.
Just search Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and it'll pop
up there. I don't think it's quite online yet. Our
online team are working away to get it up there,

(40:50):
but very soon it will be. So thank You've raw
your calls and your feedback on our interview with lou
Vincent's coming up towards the one o'clock news after one.
I want a chat to Paul Cole. He went through
a bit of a dark time, nothing like Louvin Vincent
went through. But he lost to a player ranked in
the two hundred and fifties in the world. He's number
three in the world in a tournament in London not

(41:11):
that long ago. But he bounced back and won the
Cutter Classic. So how rewarding was that? James mcconey after
one o'clock as well, and we'll break down last night's
rug before you as well.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talk, said.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
B, Hello there, and welcome, welcome in or welcome back in,
as the case may be. One seven. I'm Jason Pine.
This is Weekend Sport on News Talk. Said B. Had
a number of people inquire about the Louvevents and interview.
It is now online. If you'd like to listen back
or like to listen for the first time. Jenny says,
I've just tuned in. I'll go and listen to Luvins
And now, by the way, have you acknowledged Hayden Wilde. Yes,

(42:02):
we well we have, Jenny, and what he has done
is it's utterly incredible. If you haven't caught up with
Hayden Wilde's latest exploits, well it is no surprise, I'm
sure to you that he has won another one of
these T one hundred World Tour races, his fifth and
a row, his fifth and a row at the latest

(42:25):
event in Woollongong, and he won it by miles. He
won it by miles. It wasn't in anybody else in
the picture as he was coming towards the finish line.
Now he's going to look at backing it up in
the Olympic Distance World Triathlon Championship Series final, and I
believe that is tonight. I believe that's tonight. Does that
sound right what it's written here? And I can only

(42:47):
only believe what our sports news team have provided us.
So yes, Jenny, thank you, But yeah, hay and wild
will keep eyes on how he goes in the Olympic
Distance World Triathlon champ Series Final.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
This hour.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
James mcconey is along in his regular slot. We should
acknowledge Canterbury, shouldn't we into the NPC final not only
into it, we'll host it after they're rather comfortable win
over Hawks Bay. And when I say comfortable, well it
was in the end. But at halftime I wondered whether
we might have the Magpies cause a bit of an upset.

(43:21):
They were only behind by fifteen points to fourteen at
the break. The Canterbury stretched their legs in the second
half and one at forty three nineteen. I'll tell you
who I felt for was our winner on a sporting
chance yesterday. He rang in Ivan I think his name was,
It was Ivan. He rang in and we gave him
the option of the three bets, as we normally do,

(43:43):
and he chose the long option, which was for Hawks
Bay to be winning at halftime and Canterbury to be
winning at full time. Well, if he's only a point
or so away, wasn't he? If only Hawk's Bay had
been fifteen fourteen ahead and Canterbury won the game, he
would have won something like nine hundred dollars. Unfortunately not
to be. Unfortunately not to be kiw Swash number one

(44:07):
and world number three Paul Cole back in the winner's circle.

Speaker 14 (44:12):
Paul so many occasions he last started twenty nineteen and
some more previous finals, but he's won in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 10 (44:27):
Here.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Last weekend, Paul Cole became the first New Zealander to
win the prestigious Cutter Classic, beating Egyptian world number one
mis stuff for Aussaal eleven nine six eleven eleven eight
eleven five in the final. It was his first major
PSA title since winning the Hong Kong Open in December
twenty twenty three, and his first win over Mustaffa Aussal

(44:48):
in their last seven meetings. He has relocated to Philadelphia,
where this weekend he is underway in the US Squash Open,
where he is the second seed, but he's taken time
to join us. Paul, thanks for taking the time. What
a win for you and Cutter congratulations mate, How significant
and pleasing victory was that for you?

Speaker 15 (45:08):
Yeah, chairs mate, it was very a very rewarding victory.

Speaker 13 (45:12):
I felt like I, you know, started the season in
pretty good shape and I felt like I've been playing
well for quite a few months now, but it was
just sort of piecing it together and tournament play and
getting those performances that requires back to back to beat
you know, a few top guys in a road to
win those those big events. So I've actually, like I said,
been confident my game for a while. So yeah, just

(45:34):
happy I managed to turn up and deliver a performance
that I was proud of and you know, managed to
walk away the title.

Speaker 15 (45:41):
So yeah, it was very rewarding when that one.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Thinks, how do you manage yourself across a tournament? Because
it's not out of course they've got to win every game,
but do you have to leave some gas in the
tank for the big games at the at the business
end of the tournament.

Speaker 15 (45:56):
I think definitely.

Speaker 13 (45:59):
What I sort of learned is not to get too
wrapped up of my first couple of rounds is not
you know, not exactly how I wanted to play, or
there's a few things I could work on, you know,
sometimes that would knock my confidence a bit back in
the day, but you know, just not to Obviously, you
can need to peek back in the tournaments when you
want to win these. So if you're not one hundred

(46:20):
percent in the early rounds, but you're getting the job
done and you're getting the win, then yeah, I've sort
of learned not to get too caught up in that.

Speaker 15 (46:26):
Obviously, analyze it, work.

Speaker 13 (46:28):
You know, think of things that I can get better,
but not let it affect my confidence too much, because yeah,
to operate, you know, five matches to one hundred percent's
going to be tough.

Speaker 15 (46:39):
So yeah, it's about trying to get the best out.

Speaker 13 (46:41):
Of you in those finals times, which you know, I
feel like I've I've got a bit better at doing
in my older years. But yeah, it's definitely something that
I mean, you could definitely play well all four rounds,
but it's more than if you're doing that. It's not
not panic stations or you know, anything to worry about
too much.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Mustafa Asyl the world number one. He's been a fairly
regular opponent for you. Now you've beaten him seven times.
What do you have to do particularly well to beat him?

Speaker 13 (47:10):
Yeah, a lot of of him as comes down to execution.
I think if I execute my game plan and you know,
keep the ball out of the middle of the court,
then I'm very confident. But he's so good that if
you sort of leave the ball in the middle of
the court or you give him an opening, he's very
good at finishing the ball or straight away. You know,

(47:30):
he doesn't really miss many opportunities. So I mean, you know,
if you sort of start a bit slow, and you know,
you give him four or five opportunities and you can
be four or five love down before you even know
it type thing. So a lot of of him, I
find his execution and I sort of know how to
play him.

Speaker 15 (47:48):
I feel pretty cold from the game.

Speaker 13 (47:49):
Plan, but like I said, you know, you can get
away with missing a few targets against some guys, but
with him, he seems to have a really good ability
to put the ball away straight away. So yeah, a
lot of it comes down to just, yeah, being very disciplined,
very focused, and very aware of what's going on. You know,
if I miss my target once, don't let it happen
three or four times in a row and let it

(48:10):
snowball on me. So which I think has definitely happened
in the past, you know, playing him, So again, it's
just staying mentally focused and calm throughout the whole match
and just knowing exactly what I want to do which
and then just executing, which I mean sounds easy than
it is sometimes. But yeah, like I said, I'm very
confident if I played well that I can beat them.

(48:32):
It's just yeah, getting those performances more regularly in finals times.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
You won the London Classic in early September, but then
a week later at the Egyptian Open, you lost to
world number two hundred and fifty two Adam Hawaal. What
happened that.

Speaker 13 (48:49):
Day, Yeah, I mean I was very frustrated myself after that.
Definitely let a big opportunity slip and just didn't prepare.

Speaker 15 (49:03):
Fully.

Speaker 13 (49:04):
And I mean I just I just took a few
things lightly, which you know, which I was definitely the
most frustrated at because you know, what I hold myself
to and my values is a lot about professionalism and
turning up one hundred percent every time. And I mean
I definitely, I definitely was there, but there's a lot
of things on the day that just went against me,

(49:26):
and it was one of those days where it just
I still don't even know how I lost the match,
to be honest, It's just the ref went against me.
Everything just seemed to go against me that day, and
it was just like the perfect storm to lose, and
my coach, you know, told me not to even worry
about it. Basically, it's one of those things that you know,
we didn't even analyze, really we analyzed, you know, the

(49:46):
preparation and stuff, but the match itself, it was just
sort of one of those perfect storms. And he said, look,
I mean, we don't normally do this, but just forget
about it, Like it was so bad that it's not
worth trying to learn too much from. So yeah, it
was pretty tough though, you know, I went home and
did some you know, deep thinking and to get myself

(50:07):
back to competition level a week later.

Speaker 15 (50:09):
It was a lot of workmen into it, which made
the victory even sweeter.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Yeah, it looked like it because there was a lot
of emotion. I know, you win tournaments, you're you're very happy,
but there was a lot of emotion when you won
that match. Was the winning Qatar even more special. Having
rebounded from that disappointment in Egypt.

Speaker 13 (50:28):
I mate hugely rewarding, just just bouncing back.

Speaker 10 (50:32):
You know.

Speaker 13 (50:32):
I was actually very very nervous obviously in the first
couple of rounds.

Speaker 15 (50:36):
You know, tough, tough draw.

Speaker 13 (50:38):
So I was, yeah, I was shit scared, mate, to
be honest, to go out in another first round because
I was playing a guy who I could have lost
to quite easily first round.

Speaker 15 (50:51):
He was at a very tough draw. So to get through,
like I was. I was, you know, I was scared, mate.

Speaker 13 (50:58):
So to to bounce back, get through those matches and
then build into you know, the best performance I've put
in and the year was super rewarding.

Speaker 15 (51:05):
And just went in the week before, you know, it
was a tough week for me.

Speaker 13 (51:09):
I put myself through the ring and just to you know,
get my head in the right space.

Speaker 15 (51:13):
So yeah, it took a lot.

Speaker 13 (51:14):
Of effort, and like I said, just to turn out
a performance like that a week later, I was very
proud of myself to do that. And obviously winning is
a you know, everyone wants to do that, but just
to turn up and operate at my best, I was
very proud of myself for that.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
You've been in the world's top ten now for over
a decade. You've been in the top five for the
last six years. How much has your game changed over
that time.

Speaker 13 (51:40):
Yeah, I mean it's to be honest, that sounds crazy
to me to think about, but yeah, I mean my
game's still evolving. You know, as we speak at something
I enjoy about being an athlete, being able to constantly
look for areas to improve yourself. I think that's, you know,
one of the joys I get out of being an
athlete is just constantly evaluating how we can get better

(52:02):
and learning and learning new tricks, learning new fitness things,
mental things.

Speaker 15 (52:09):
There's just so many doors to open.

Speaker 16 (52:10):
It.

Speaker 13 (52:11):
It's what I find the most exciting about being an athlete,
Like I said, and I sort of lost that when
I went to one, a lot of things got result focused.
So just taking my learnings from that and even if
I get back to you know, two or one in
the world, then just to sort of keep that same
mindset of operating at the top, but you know, never
being satisfied and just trying to trying to get better

(52:32):
every day.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
So did being world number one almost in some ways
become a bit of a burden to you?

Speaker 15 (52:40):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (52:40):
And no.

Speaker 13 (52:41):
I think it was the best time in my life.
I mean I still pinch myself. You know, I'm great
mates with Israel Dag now, which is you know, someone
who I grew up watching as an All Black and
a massive fanboy of them, and you know, now we're
good mates and just stuff like that was very overwhelming.
I think for me it was pretty surreal to be

(53:03):
able to, you know, pick up the phone and call
someone like that. And I think it just got a
lot to me, and it was sort of got a
lot results based. You know, obviously when you get to
the top, it's like you're getting all this stuff thrown
at you and you sort of don't want it to
stop and you think, you know, you just got to
keep winning for that stuff to keep happening. And that
definitely got a lot for me. Definitely was something I

(53:23):
wasn't used to and wasn't equipped to handle. So I
think I learned a lot from that time though, and
I think hopefully if I get back there, then I'll
be better equipped to handle it. But at that time,
it was huge, you know, a huge thing for me
and very overwhelming with a lot, a lot of emotions
and everything just became very hard, you know, to compete, to.

Speaker 15 (53:42):
Play and think clearly, it was a lot harder.

Speaker 13 (53:45):
So, like I said, you know, lessons learned, and it's
a good experience to have. I think it's put me
in a bit of shape for playing finals and stuff.
Now I definitely handle the situation better. So hopefully we
can get back there and you know, prove to myself
that I can, you know, belong there.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Indeed, your trademark across your career has always been your
relentless chasing down of lost causes, your full length dives
across the court. Are you still doing that as often
as you always have?

Speaker 15 (54:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (54:16):
Yeah, Unfortunately my body, my body. If everyone asked me
how I was coming off Katar, and I was actually
right physically, you know, but I had no skin left
on my fingers, my toes and my knees were all
shredded of skin. And I was like, my muscles are fine,
but far out putting my shoes on, my fingers flatly bleeded.
So just stuff like that. It comes from the dives

(54:39):
and stuff. But again it's my character, It's who I am,
and I don't even think about.

Speaker 15 (54:44):
It, mate, It just happens when I get desperate on there.

Speaker 13 (54:47):
So yeah, unfortunately, still doing it at the ripe old
age of thirty three.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Oh good on you mate. May it go on for
a wee while longer. You've got the US Open obviously
to play from this weekend. Then I look at the
Golden Platinum level events coming up. There's the China Open
next month, then the Hong Kong Open in December before
the PSA, so it takes a break for a month
or so. There are other events too with Farley's prize
money attached to them. How selective are you now about

(55:14):
the tournaments that you play in?

Speaker 15 (55:17):
Very it definitely.

Speaker 13 (55:20):
One it'll be you know, obviously, first of all, I
need to peak at these big events, so I will
select tournaments that either help or basically just don't hinder
those events. So I will, you know, not play anything
pre US Open. There was a tournament in San Francisco
I could have played, but just with the travel and
jet lag, it just definitely wouldn't be operating at my

(55:42):
best at either sanfrand in US, so we decided to
skip that one. And then, yes, it was about you know,
preparing and peaking at those big ones and then just
choosing tournaments that I enjoy. So just trying to obviously
enjoy my last few years on tour, and you know
that's why, you know, I decided to go to China.

Speaker 15 (56:00):
I love Asia. I love the Asia Tour.

Speaker 13 (56:02):
And I thought, you know, it's a new one that
I haven't been to, so you know, a bit of
exciting for me. But yeah, just trying to enjoy my
time and tour and choose tournaments I want to go
to and not you know, just chasing points because it's
a weekend try list or something like that. Just yeah,
more choosing what I want to do and making sure
my body's fresh and energetic going into these majors.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
So I guess the big question is will your schedule
allow you to come home to defend your New Zealand
Squash Open title in March?

Speaker 13 (56:31):
Hey, that's top of the list that one, and then
it goes will Champs and he's out and open. So
I one hundred percent be there.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
For that brilliant stuff and squash is an Olympic sport
next time in twenty twenty eight in Los Angeles. It's
becoming an Olympian a major motivator for you as you
perhaps reached the back end of your career.

Speaker 15 (56:51):
Yeah, it was huge man.

Speaker 13 (56:52):
Obviously you know I'm getting towards the end of my career,
so that was a huge motivator. And to be honest,
it's been amazing to be part of the an Olympic cycle.
My training has changed, but people I'm working with added
some new guys to my team, which is again bringing
new stuff to me, new lessons, new things I can learn.

Speaker 15 (57:12):
So it's been awesome.

Speaker 13 (57:14):
Made has been such a little energy boost on the
side for me to think about that preparation of a
four year Olympic campaign. I've obviously heard, you know, some
of my mates speak about it, but never got to
be a part of one. So yet to have a
four year Olympic campaign's pretty cool. And you know, going
through the selection and qualifying process and just feeling that
pressure and excitement that they all have about it is

(57:36):
really cool.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah, very cool. Well, congrats on the Cutter Classic when
Paul all the best in the US Open and for
the rest of the year as well. Look forward to
seeing you back here in March for the New Zealand Open.
Thanks so much for taking the time this afternoon.

Speaker 15 (57:50):
Pleasure mate, Thanks for the cool No, thank you for.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Taking a Paul. Paul Cole there joining us on news
talks here being Weekend Sports. So he's at the US
Squash Open, second seat. His first game is against the
unseated Indian player Rum at Tandon. That is six fifteen
pm Sunday, off Toober nineteen. I'm pretty sure that's US time,
so that'll be tomorrow some stage that Paul Cole is
in action in his first round match at the US

(58:14):
Squash Open. Mark says Jason. I said yesterday to you
that Canterbury would win by twenty mark you did. I
remember your calling and saying exactly that, and you were right. Piney,
that tab longshot bet, says Simon. Reminded me to thank
you and Greg Murphy for the excellent Bathhurst tip. Twenty

(58:35):
five dollars became five hundred bucks in a great week.
Good on your Simon said. This is interesting to me
because I'm not sure if you picked up on this.
Most people listen to Mike Hosking. I'm not sure whether
you heard his comments rather disparaging comments about me on Monday.

Speaker 17 (58:50):
Mike, please think Piney if you cross paths. He suggested
on Friday that pain Tender at seven dollars would be
a good bet. After practice six, they blew out to
twenty three. Now I'm six hundred and ninety dollars up.
Keith Pine was irresponsible and offer those sort of odds
or suggesting too, because here's what I know about Bennie.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Yeah, responsible. I love it. I'm glad that those of
you who took my advice were able to benefit from it. Look,
I'm just having a guess, like we all are right
one twenty five. It is let's take a break, come
back and recap last night's in PC semi final Canterburary
getting up over Hawks Bay back in a moment on

(59:29):
Weekend Sports.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
The figure seas in sports are on Weekend Sports with
Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home
builder News talksb.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
News Talks Won twenty eight. Canterbury have beaten Hawks Bay
forty three nineteen to book a home n PC final
against Otago on Saturday night. The visiting Magpie is blown
away in the second half. They were only behind fifteen
fourteen after fifty minutes. Canterbury ran in six tries in total,
the last of their departing skipper.

Speaker 18 (01:00:00):
Canterbary will want to finish with a flourish. They know
they've got one foot at next week's final. A kids
don't Tago right running ball, Purnavite jets.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
And offloat free limb.

Speaker 19 (01:00:12):
Jack has Christie to us right and there isn't a
more deserving twice scorer the captain fantastic top Christie game done.

Speaker 20 (01:00:24):
Tannabury.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I go to the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Final out sideline on christ Church as part of our
radio team as Craig Kerr. He spoke just after the
whistle to Tom Christie about earning another Monday for the team.

Speaker 21 (01:00:35):
Yeah, how good, ay and another Monday. But Jesus was
half fought out there, and I score boll probably doesn't
reflect how tough that game was. I mean the collisions aspects,
hawkspace certainly brought it there, and Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Are on top bus for a lot of it.

Speaker 22 (01:00:48):
Defensively, you guys have been outstanding for pretty much all
of the season and again tonight just just all over them.

Speaker 21 (01:00:55):
Yeah, we proyed ourselves on our d like, we love
that area of our game, and we know that there
can be a different maker and a lot of tight games.
So there's areas there that we had to work, like
a lot of line breaks that we probably could have
tied it up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
So we'll go away and work on that.

Speaker 21 (01:01:08):
But overall, pretty happy and we love that.

Speaker 22 (01:01:10):
But a target next to Saturday afternoon here, mate, how
much bit of payback in the mind?

Speaker 21 (01:01:17):
One hundred percent? It was only a couple of weeks
ago that they took their shield off us. But hey,
they've been playing good rugby. They deserve to be on
the final as well, so it'll be a hell of
an occasion. Hopefully Chross roots will turn out. We know
our fans will be here and they'll be loud as well,
and we love that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Sorry, Afternoon next Saturday, Saturday afternoon five past four is
kickoff in that game. It's an afternoon kickoff. I eatee
hundred and eighty ten eighty. Canterbury fans keen to hear
from you. You haven't really sort of spoken much in
recent times. I think you've just sort of been a
bit like your team really just sort of doing the business,
just sort of quietly going about it. But you forget

(01:01:52):
you look at the table and Canterbury have hardly lost
a game. In fact, the only game they lost was
that Shield Challenge, wasn't it. I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Come on, Canabary fans, beat your chest
a little bit. And I'm always asked this question. Maybe
I wonder if I'm bit naive and thinking this, but
it feels to me as though the Neutrals will back Otago.

(01:02:13):
Is that right? Are there Neutrals who would like to
see Canterbury win? I'm sure there are. I'm sure there
are a lot of people who look at that Canterbury
team and think they played terrific rugby. They are consistently excellent.
They've got a couple of players departing, including Tom Christi
he's off to the UK after this, so I'm sure

(01:02:36):
he'd love to finish. I actually checked. I think Tom
Christie's Canterbury debut. What's the NPC final in twenty seventeen,
the last time Canterbury won it, he came off the
bench for the last four minutes. I think that was
Tom Christie's Canterbury debu. Sure what?

Speaker 10 (01:02:56):
Hello?

Speaker 23 (01:02:58):
Yeah, good? I just thought i'd mentioned to you that
the Mainland has got the rule of the roost in
the rugby. You've got the Crusaders won the special over
super You've got Otago with the shield. You've got a
South Island final in the NPC mid Canterbury just won
yesterday and I'm hoping that North Otago will complete the

(01:03:18):
sweep this afternoon. So that takes a bit of beating,
doesn't it It does.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
The South Island is the power base, the power based
Sherwood of rugby. You're right, it's yeah, it's quite the
sweetestn't as you say? Right from Heartland Championship all the
way up to Super Rugby. Plenty of plenty of people
from the Three and the All Blacks as well. Then
they used to say that, Sherwood, that when Canterbury rugby

(01:03:44):
was strong, New Zealand rugby was strong.

Speaker 23 (01:03:47):
Yep, and that's the case I would suggest. But a
little bit of research for you piney see if that's
happened before, if North Otago can take it today, see
if it's happened in recent times. For the whole lot
to be.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
That way, I definitely will. I'll get my team onto that, Sherwood.
So Super Rugby NPC meets couple of har Cup have
they ever before? All lived in the South Island. I'm
pretty sure that there would have been time when the
Crusaders and Canterbury were Super Rugby and in PC champions respectively.
But I don't know about the other two. I'd have

(01:04:21):
to dig a bit deeper. I'll get onto it, Sherwood.
Thanks for bringing it up. Hello ed he good?

Speaker 24 (01:04:27):
I say go Cannerary mate the best team and probably
New Zealand and a wonderful team and lovely city Canbury.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Yeah, look I agree. I really like christ Church. I
think the problem we strike is that you're too successful
down there, Ed. I think that's the reason why we're
all a little bit reticent to jumping behind you. Plus,
I mean, do you even do you even't grudgingly admit
how good Otago have been this year?

Speaker 24 (01:04:54):
No, that'd been good, mate, don't worry a bit of that.
But Kennery is just too good for anyone at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
I love the bullishness of it, Ed, love it mate.
Good work, Hello, Mark.

Speaker 25 (01:05:06):
Now I'm a neutral patier. I know my hat says Otaga.
I've had a pretty rough few years really Otaga rugby.
But yeah, watching the game last night, I thought Kenterbury
was just ruthless.

Speaker 8 (01:05:16):
You know.

Speaker 25 (01:05:16):
I thought hawks Bay put up a good fight, but man,
that second half they just overpowered them. I thought fucker
Tava was exceptionally good. I mean I thought he almost
played himself back into contention. Maybe you know, he just
he was really good as half back and he is
really aggressive, and I thought every time he touched up
all he made an impact.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Yeah, I think it's almost I don't know if it's
the second coming of fucka Tava, but he's been excellent
and interesting to hear. Jamie Joseph yesterday. I'm not sure
if you heard my chat with him, and I asked
him about Fala fuckatava because I just assumed Mark that
he was just observing the three year stand down so
he could play for Tom. But according to Jamie Joseph,
his All Blacks ambitions are as strong as ever.

Speaker 25 (01:05:57):
Yeah, well, how he played last night, I thought he
was just outstanding. I thought he was probably one of
the best players on the field. And I thought McCleod
for Kennbury, I mean, there was a lot of great
performances in that in that game. But yeah, as I said,
you know, Kenarbury look really look really sharp in that game.
And Tom Christie obviously this year just flowing out standing
rugby at the moment. It's a bit unfortunate. I think

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he's going overseas.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Yeah, I thought, I mean it's unfortunate for the rest
of us that they're playing so well. It's probably that
as well. Mark probably then as well. Thanks for your call.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
Good it, John, Can I play?

Speaker 9 (01:06:33):
I just wanted to slip and another contribution from the
South Island at the ran Philly Shields and Otago.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Yes, yes, it's greedy. It's a bit greedy of the three,
isn't it Well?

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
But you can come back the other way and say
that that Auckland and Wellington by far and away succeed
the South Island when it comes to football. They've got
the two best teams in the country and and also
the and League Warriors in the North Island. Far ek

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seed what we've got available in the South Island.

Speaker 25 (01:07:12):
You know we've got to keep it even, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Yes, Indeed the absence of teams professional teams in the
South Island from rugby, league and football is a factor here,
I know, But no I like what it's noted. I
like what you're driving it mate, bloody good contribution from you,
Thanks John, thanks for calling.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Phil.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Who have you got winning the MPC? Who do you
think will win it? Who do you want to win it?

Speaker 16 (01:07:36):
Well, yeah, that's a good question given where I come
from down the South Island and Gore there and closer
province to Otago, but living in Cannabury there thirty years
or more.

Speaker 24 (01:07:49):
Good question.

Speaker 16 (01:07:50):
I watched the game last night. I actually wouldn't mind.
I wouldn't actually mind seeing Otago win it, and I
actually I think I think given that performance I watched
both games. The targo. I think they can do it.
I think a target can do it. In fact, I
was thinking last night, even as convincing as Canterbury were,

(01:08:14):
but mostly in that second half, because in that first half,
like you said, and I was actually thinking of your bet,
I was thinking of that guy that was only they
were only one point behind, and I actually thought of
the bet, thinking that, oh, that fellow must be getting
pretty excited about the long shot better pointies. But you know,
it was unusual. They missed twenty one tackles. I think

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the statistic wasn't that first half Canterbury, which was really
unusual for Cannaby. But then they must have got a
hell of a river up in the shields because in
the sheds at half time, because they came back in
that second half and the defense just went up another
level and that's what basically got them over the line
in that second half and they accumulated the points. And
I thought by putting the pressure on the Magpois, because

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the Magpois played really well, especially in that first half,
but not so much in the second half. But there
was due to the pressure from the defense of Canterbury
getting up on them but there was some good performances
by the mag Poiser Fuckatava and the guy Plumber I think,
which I hadn't heard off. For the mag Pois, he
was outstanding. There was a couple other ones and Tom Christie.

(01:09:17):
I mean, boy, how that guy has never had a
shot at been given a chance in the All Blacks.
I don't know, because they said last night he'd made
the most tackles, like two hundred tackles or something over
the NPC and his leadership, and also some of the
turnovers that he got as well. And then that bold
decision which I thought was quite good, and they could
have taken the easy three points but decided to have

(01:09:38):
a gun the line. They scored with McLeod who was
He's yeah, he's good as well, you know, big strong
fellow coming over the line, and that put the pressure
back on the hawk's bay and I thought that was
a good decision.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
So yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:09:53):
I just I'm shamed to see Tom Christy going, like
I said, bewilders me how he's never had his chance
to ever go on the All Blacks. But I remember
Scott Robertson when you had him on, and I called
up and He didn't say exactly what he needed to
do to up his game to them, but he just
alluded there were some things that they had talked with
him in that that he needed to do.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
Think I think could do it.

Speaker 16 (01:10:14):
And I know my auntie and uncle who have lived
in a central tag all their life and live down
and Cloyton lives in Duned and they'll be but they'll
be gunning for a targo.

Speaker 8 (01:10:24):
They'll be. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
So I think I think everybody fell. I think everyone
outside of your fair city will be made. I'll be
surprised if you're allowed back in the rock, Paul, mate,
where we had the chance to meet one another face
to face back on Super Rugby Final day. I'll be
surprised if you're allowed back in there, mate, with your
Otago colors on. But I love what you I love
what you're bringing to the table. You're in a bit
of a no lose situation if you quite like the
idea of Otago winning. But you read them black through

(01:10:48):
and through. Good to chat to you, mate. Do they
have George Bell next week? Asks Tim? I don't think so, Tim.
I think George Bell will join up with the All Blacks.
I don't think he'll be there next week, so they'll
they'll be without George Bell. Any neutral supporting Canterbury clearly
must have severe concussions. Is this text or other symptoms
that are not allowing them to think straight? Mars agrees

(01:11:10):
there'd be not one person outside of Canterbury that would
support them unless they were born there. Yeah, I think
I just look again, no skin in the game. I've
said all along, ever since Wellington were shown to be
not contenders for the NPC that I hoped Otago won it.
I think Otago have had a terrific season. I love
watching them play under the roof on Friday night and

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beat Bay of plenty thought there was terrific and exciting
young players. They won't have any fear going up to
christ Church as mentioned they won there earlier the season
to claim the shield, but there is that revenge on
the minds of the Red and Blacks as well. Five
past four next Saturday. We'll have a bit of a

(01:11:54):
build up to that on Weekend Sport next Saturday, No
doubt twenty to two on the Dot, let's take away
come back James mcconey in this regular Sunday slot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Seventeen away from two Sundays are our opportunity to hear
from James mcconey. Hello mate, get a piney.

Speaker 7 (01:12:20):
Nice to be on the show again.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
It's good to have you with us. Yeah each week change, Yes,
as a regular good to have you here in PC.
I just threw out the assertion I guess that anybody
who doesn't support Canterbury will be supporting Otago. Is that
you'll read on it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
Oh, it's tricky one because I quite like the cut
of Canterbury's German, the way they've played, and they do
have some underdog stories, you know new stub at first
five like who knew? I mean that there was going
to be somewhere he's going to excel. So I quite
like that fact. But yeah, if you if you boil
it down to number of super rugby players, then yeah,

(01:13:01):
Canterbury are kind of stacked, especially that back line. But look,
I think it's Otago. It's the drought that really draws
you to them. So the first time, the last time
they won it was nineteen ninety eight. We're talking Jeff Wilson,
Josh Cronfeld, Kane Randall. I mean it's a long time
between drinks, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
It is a long time. But then you think because
I because I guess we default to the setting of ah, yeah,
but Canterbury won it every year, but they don't. The
last time they won it was twenty seventeen, which for
a province like Canterbury. And I know the Crusaders also
when rugby matches down there, but yet they haven't won
it for eight years either.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
Yeah, and I mean it's a good one because I
think these two teams have set the standard. They both
took the shield at different times and then Otago finally
took it off Canterbury. There's you know, there's some nice
kind of like cross provincial battles where you know, Christian
leo'willy is an absolute star for the Crusaders, but he's

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just so crucial. They're at number eight for Otago, so
they know each other so well. I have heard that
George Bell and Sam Darry will not play in the final,
but I think there's enough depth for Canterbury to handle that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Yeah, I tend to agree, And you look at the lineups.
But then having said that, James, you know Otago went
up there and won the shield, didn't they? You know,
they won't have any fear going up is a state
highway one between Dunedin and christ each presumably it is.
They won't have any fear about going up that road,
will they?

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
It is? Yeah, it's the only tough part is the
holding your breath over the Rakaiah Bridge, like there's you
know that's that can be tricky and probably might to
be attempted by everybody. But I reckon the way I
look at Otago is they're a blossoming team, right. So
Dylan Pletcher at halfback, so young, so quirk. He's kind

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of like Antoine DuPont before he hit the weight room,
you know. So he's just so such a firecracker as
a player. And then Lucas Casey, the Kenny Kenny kid
for Otago at number seven, scoring these crazy tries and
I'm the one that he's scored two against Canterbury but
one of them he left the fallback to standing like

(01:15:18):
a statue. So he has got all the skills as
well the off loads. He's got the sunny bill fleck
and I look at that and think, Okay, these are
new stars coming through, but they've done it well by
assembling all these kind of like veterans. You've still got
Liam Coltman hanging around off the bench, and you've got

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Thomas Umunger Jensen, who's really an elite number twelve. So
I like the way Targo play as well. It's kind
of an exciting style. Can of be more methodical, yeah,
should be good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Final five past four next Saturday. The A League season
is underway. Both Wellington Phoenix and Auckland FC had away
games last night. They both ended in draws. Auckland FC
off the back of their astonishingly good first season kind
of Houghton puffed a little bit and then little draw
against Melbourne victory. It kind of felt to me like

(01:16:09):
a typical first game of the season. I'm not sure
what you thought.

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
I thought Aukland they see looked a bit boring, so
it's I mean, I don't know. Sometimes with football you
get a bit spoiled watching Premier League and stuff and
the cut and trust of it. But yeah, they were
working each other out. There's a but the core is
still there for Auckland FC. I just feel like the
cunning edge was lacking a bit, and there's a few

(01:16:35):
players out there he'll be wishing they had those shots back.
So look mate, and they see the work on is
shooting practice. You should be able to volley off your
weaker foot. As my theory, you know when the ball
comes in because of volley, you're just redirecting it. You're
not having to sort of like set the whole thing up.
It's like you could potentially volley with your with your

(01:16:57):
wrong hand in tennis, but you're not going to be
able to serve that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
It does?

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
It makes Yes. I know exactly where you're going with that,
exactly where you're going. Yes, I nila all in that.
And then late late last night about eleven forty five
out time, the Phoenix kicked off against Perth Glory over
in Perth and by midnight they were already too kneeled down.
I was starting to really worry about Wellington Phoenix. But
after that I thought they were very good.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
Yeah, I heard you were reading their last rites Piney,
you got a priest and and everything, But I was
I was concerned for them as well. Wellington Phoenix and
really nicer way Strip though Cream with the with the
green trim and the green numbers, sort of very county
cricket as shi if you like. But they they started

(01:17:45):
the ship. They've got things going again. Where I guess
Chief the coach, he loves to tempt the other team
into their into the trap and then and the encounter,
and I thought there was Their goals were really really
good Wellington Phoenix. I do have grave concerns about their defense,
but hopefully Chief he's going to plan for that. But yeah,

(01:18:09):
you know, I'm not a bad point to win over
in Perth.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Absolutely not from two all down. You take two all
every day of the week. And you're right. Their defense
they played a high line and it looked like absolute
suicide for the first twenty minutes, but maybe they were
just getting used to it. But the two goals, you're right,
were really well constructed and there's a bit of promise there,
particularly from a couple of the new players staying with football.
Aposta Cooglu has been shown the door at Nottingham Forest,

(01:18:32):
just over a month after he took over his boss.
I think it's if it's not the shortest tenure in
Premier League history, then it's pretty close to it. We
know Chris Wood is at Nottingham Forest. What did you
make of all of this?

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
I think it was always doomed, like it was just
a terrible idea to sack a really good coach that
they had in the first place and bringing in Hand
who has his own ways and systems. Unless it's aligned
with what Forests have been doing in the past two years,
why even bother?

Speaker 9 (01:19:00):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
That's that was my feeling. So Peel sorry for Hand
and the sense that I think it was a hospital pass.
Eight games, six losses and two draws. They lost to
Chelsea last night overnight three Nils seventeen minutes after full time.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
He was sacked.

Speaker 7 (01:19:16):
So their owner is crazy Nottingham Forest, so even taking
the job I think was a bit of a trap,
you know. But Chris Wood was on the bench when
they had a couple of good chances early in the game,
so I think, well, come on, Inge, I mean, you
can't take we made the Premier League Team of the Year. Okay,

(01:19:39):
I know he's just the key to you, but everybody
over there is one of the best strikers in the league,
So what are you doing mate?

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Indeed, I think they're talking about Sean Dosh being a
potential replacement. But he was I think, wasn't he?

Speaker 23 (01:19:55):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
No, you see what was he was Chris Wood? Chris
Wood's boss at Burnley. Wasn't he when Chris? Yeah, so
he's a fan of Chris Wood. So that's good, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:06):
It should be he should realize that Chris Wood is
a lot better player than what he had at Burnley
because I think he used to sort of have him
on the bench a little bit. Not always, but yeah,
they had a sort of a strike duo there. I
forget the name of the other guy, but yeah, Chris
Wood now is you know, he's a complete package and
whoever takes over needs to recognize that. Yeah, I've lost

(01:20:27):
a couple of players, but to be honest, Forrest shouldn't
be where they are. And Andrew was probably I mean,
they had to do something. And it's probably fair.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Fun fact about Sean dish for you he played alongside
Paul Eifel at Millwall.

Speaker 7 (01:20:44):
Millwall, nobody likes us, we don't care, Yes, so.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Yeah, look I didn't you didn't greek that with the
enthusiasm I hope for from a fun fact that's okay.

Speaker 7 (01:20:56):
Maybe maybe Tim Young, Tim Cagle was there. I'm not
sure he was. Good players that have gone through there
sharing him as well.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Yeah, absolutely no, no Milwall Yeah, a bit of a
back order when it comes to uh, well, I won't
finish that sentence. James. Good to chat to you, mate.
Shall we do it again next Sunday?

Speaker 10 (01:21:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
Why not? I'm around if you have me. Thanks finally
always here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Good on you, James. James mcconey huge part of our
Sundays this time or thereabouts every Sunday afternoon. Catch him
on the Craigos Wild alternative commentary collective and across his
social media platforms as well. Seven and a halfway from
two new Stalks at Me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
The Good from the track Fields and the Court on
your Home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Nijeel says, yes, it is State Highway one between Dunedin
and christ Church. Fin Hurley could walk up that highway
and still get a speeding ticket. He can pedal. It
was great to see him come on the other night,
wasn't it, Fin Hurley? But then he went off, didn't
he with what looked like a hamstring or something like that,
And that must be entirely frustrating for a bloke who's
taken so long to get back from injury, but get

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to try and then has to go off again. Hopefully
he might be right for the final, Shane says Piney.
Do you know that the Kiwis play some more tonight
at six both stacked teams that should be talked about. Shane,
you are in luck. You are in luck, my friend,
because after two we're going to do exactly that. We're
going to talk rugby league and the Pacific Nations Cup.
Phoenix Crossland, the Newcastle Knights utility and Kiwi's utility is

(01:22:27):
going to join us on the show. The women play
some more at three point thirty five, the men's game
just after six tonight, So yes, we'll talk rugby league
after two o'clock, and the everest as well will be
a talking point after two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after fields. It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason
Vaide on your home of.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Sport Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
Two o seven. Welcome into Weekend Sport on News Talks
bear z B. We're here until three. After that the
Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge. Before we get there quite
a bit to get through a lot of feedback on
our chat with lou Vincent earlier today that is now online.
If you missed it, you can hear the full interview
at NEWSTALKSDB dot co dot Nz or on iHeartRadio. Just

(01:23:17):
search Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and you will find it.
A hugely enlightening chat with lou Vincent this afternoon between
now and three International Rugby League double header at go
Media Stadium this afternoon and into the evening. Keywi Was
Utility Phoenix Crossland is with us shortly at Randwick yesterday,
New Zealand bred horse ka Ying Rising confirmed his superstar

(01:23:40):
status winning the world's richest race on turf, the Everest.
He was bred here in New Zealand by Fraser Auret,
who joins us for a chat. We'll cover off in
a league, football and the latest from stateside with our
US sports expertly on Busby, including this remarkable baseball performance
in recent times from Shohei Otani. Just how unique is

(01:24:02):
what he is doing? How unique is it He is
a top quality picture but can also hit home runs. Incredible,
incredible stuff, So we'll cover that off as well. Life
sport this afternoon Hartland Championship Lahure Cup final about to
get under way North Otago against Hollifan newer Corpany will
keep you updated on that as well. You can get
in touch with the show if you would like to.

(01:24:24):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the phone number nine
two ninety two for your text messages. But as we
always do on weekend sport, at around about this time,
which is eight past two, it's time to catch you
up on some of the stuff that you may have
missed over the last little while. There's been a whole
heap of sport on and there's no way you could
possibly have kept up with all of it. Well you might,

(01:24:46):
but there might be some stuff you missed, starting with
the NPC the second semi final between Canterbury and Hawk's
Bay in christ Church last night.

Speaker 20 (01:24:55):
Bell with me back to print a boy.

Speaker 19 (01:24:58):
It's a an all that stand and Canterbury beat Hawks
Bay forty three nineteen and will host Otago bud x MPC.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Final down the road and ash Burton. Earlier yesterday the
Heartland Championships Meads Cup final mid Canterbury against Thames Valley.

Speaker 19 (01:25:15):
Time counting down, there's the hotel there, it's Hammer time
and ass Burton met Canterbury the third Meets.

Speaker 20 (01:25:24):
Top title, having won in twenty thirteen and twenty fourteenth.

Speaker 26 (01:25:27):
They are the twenty twenty five Meets Cup.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Champion, med Canterbury winning that one. Twenty one eighteen two
A League football. Auckland FC opening their season away at
Melbourne Victory last night.

Speaker 20 (01:25:40):
But in a game a few chances we saw that defensively.
These two sides which featured all the way at the
business end of last season, they will be all that
and more again this season as we finish here at
Amy Park, Melbourne Victory, Nell's Auckland FC.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Neil then Wellington Phoenix stage an impressive comeback to also
grab a point away at Perth Glory came with.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
The early call essay was he felled.

Speaker 27 (01:26:05):
Illegally at it because Carlo.

Speaker 28 (01:26:08):
Armiento, on a league men's debut with Wellington Phoenix, draws
them back level from two nil down.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
It is two two in the distance, Derby Man. That's
the way it finished to the Premier League. Nottingham Forest
have five manager and Posta Coglu after a three nil
home defeat by Chelsea Pastavur's corner right on top of
the key tap.

Speaker 29 (01:26:32):
Ryce James turns it in and seals the deal for.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
Chelsea and cars Ange Trostakovu in an even more uncomfortable spotlights.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Ange Posta Coglo sacked after the final whistle. He was
only in the job for thirty nine days. Meantime, there
was a thriller at Selhurst Park where visitors Bournemouth scored
late to take the lead on the Chavinier.

Speaker 27 (01:26:54):
Oh It's three chilt corners in the eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
Ninety critics, only for an injury time penalty to give
Crystal Palace a share of the points.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
The true what.

Speaker 29 (01:27:11):
This Jain.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
Rain has scuppered New Zealand's chances against England in the
first T twenty cricket International and christ Jurch the black
Caps took six England wickets.

Speaker 18 (01:27:23):
At one into the night sky, Darryl Mitchell settling underneath
it takes it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
It's good safe fear of hands and England made one
hundred and fifty three for six and their twenty overs,
but New Zealand didn't even have the chance to start
their run chase before the rain came. Speaking of rain,
the White Ferns have taken a point from a World
Cup washout against Pakistan and Colombo. New Zealand took five
Pakistan wickets before the rain came.

Speaker 16 (01:27:51):
Got up.

Speaker 30 (01:27:52):
Didn't pick the goodly merely care it's got it on
a string. Tonight she takes the big wicket of Fatimasan.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
The White Ferns fourth equal on the table with two
games to play, they probably have to win them both
if they are to make the semifinals. Liam Lawson has
finished ninth in the sprint race at the United States
Grand Prix in Texas, but the big news was the
first corner carnage that knocked both McLaren's out of the race.
The Statford gets away well as does Noris print.

Speaker 27 (01:28:20):
Here comes Piastree, Norris has the inside line, takes that
second place ghost line Pas three tagles had spreads.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Norris Randa makes.

Speaker 27 (01:28:27):
Contact and is a triaff rolling down the hill. There
that has come up one of the cars and for Statford.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Ghost claw Yeah, Red Bulls Max for Stephen won the
nineteen lapper from the Mercedes of George Russell and the
Williams of Carlos Signs and Hayden Wilde reigns supreme. He
has picked up his fifth straight t one hundred World
Tour Triathlon race title at the latest event in Woollongong.

Speaker 26 (01:28:52):
He goes into a sort of light job who takes
the high fives from this amazing wooleng Gong crowd here
in Australia. Hayden World makes it five in a row,
a bow to the crowd because he wins the two
one hundred here in Australia, and the tree says, could

(01:29:12):
anyone in the world of triflon stop this Kiwi athlete
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
The Voice of Sport on your home of Sport, Weekend
Sport with Jason News.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
Talks, News Talks ABN Weekend Sport fourteen past two. There's
an international rugby league doubleheader at go Media Stadium today.
The Pacific Championships are underway. The Kiwi Ferns play some
more in the women's match at three point thirty five,
followed by the Kiwis against the Suborn men from six
Newcastle Knights and Kiwi's utility Phoenix Crossland is with us.

(01:29:46):
So Phoenix, thanks for your time. You got your first
taste of the Kiwi's environment last year, so how keen
were you to get back with the national side in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Yeah, it was a big, big goal. I wanted to
get back here this year, and yeah, I was sort
of taught. To back out of the regular season in
the NRO was something I was thinking about, Quarl to
get the call from States and be back in camp
and this space with these boys is yeah, pretty special.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
How much did wearing the Kiwi's jersey mean to you
when you debuted a year ago?

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Yeah, it was one of the highlights of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
And yeah, I spoke about a lot last year, how
much my family, you know, I really love saying that,
and how much I really loved doing it. So I
felt really good, and not just my debut, but all
three games I played last year. We're pretty special and
fingers crossed to get to do it again this year.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
You turned down a course, you know, the chance to
play for Australia and that would amense state of origin
possibilities as well by declaring your allegiance to New Zealand.
Was that only any way a difficult decision for you
to make?

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Not really, I was sort of a thing I didn't
really think about until I started my name started getting
sort of throwing around to represent New Zealand and you know,
it was sort of as soon as the opportunity came up,
I took with both hands. And you know, I don't
think my family would have wanted to it any other way,
and me as well. So you know, being in this
space is really special. I know I made the right choice.

(01:31:13):
And yeah, it means not being able to play going
down that other path of origin and stuff, but you
know it doesn't pay any one bit because I love
being here and this is you know.

Speaker 6 (01:31:23):
Is it for me?

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Tell us about your family ties with New Zealand and
just how strong they are.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Oh yeah, so I'm not too familiar with my dad's libe.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
They are from New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
I'm pretty sure they're from Hamilton area and then you know,
more connected to my mom's side and there you know
Wellington and the West Coast, Graymouth and you know all
down there, so both sides of New Zealand, but you know,
Mum's size probably the side that I connect with more.
And yeah, they're they're West Coast, the rugby league born
and bred down there, so it was yeah, they're to

(01:31:55):
see me here.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Tell us about the Keywis environment. What was it like
to come into last year and does it now have
a bit of a feeling of familiarity about it for
you now that you've you've been there before.

Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
What, Yeah, last year was pretty pretty scary.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I didn't really know any of the boys and other
than bursing.

Speaker 6 (01:32:12):
Them, you know, throughout the year.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
But it's honestly, it was like it was so easy,
like that did so well to meet and everyone and
you know the space that you know, the leaders are
created here and this year's probably been a bit easier
and you know, I'm familiar with all the boys and
the way we want to play in the coaches and stuff.
So it was just this year was probably more a
little bit more relaxed and excited, I guess to come

(01:32:35):
back and not have those sort of you know, first
time meeting everyone nerves. But you still get a little
few butterflies when you first come in because now it's
a big occasion for the country and and this team.
So but at the end of the day, it's it's
really special.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Yeah, what is the special dynamic around a national team?
I mean, you've been part of elite rugby league teams
and I want to talk about Newcastle in the moment,
but is it a different kind of dynamic when you
get together with a national team.

Speaker 15 (01:33:04):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
I guess it's just like it's just such an elite environment,
like you just got the best of the best from
all the different clubs and you look around at.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
Some of the players that you're eating dinner with and
then taking the field with. It's it's it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Obviously only my second year, so I still pinch myself
to you know, lace up the booths with fish and
you know, care and four and this year.

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
So it is, it is, It is pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
And then I guess when you go back to clubland,
you're expected to be more of a leader, So I
guess that's sort of in those areas they're sort of different.
But I guess, yeah, it's probably a bit more a
bit there's probably more eyes on you at this level
and maybe a little bit more expectation.

Speaker 6 (01:33:39):
But you know, it's all good, and it's it's all
it's all privileged.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
You have been a first grade regular for the Newcastle
Knights now for well the best part of the last
four seasons. Where have the biggest areas of growth come
in your game?

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
I guess like just leadership.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
I've always sort of been started pretty young playing at
the you know that level, and it was had to start.

Speaker 6 (01:34:01):
It was pretty scary.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
But I guess when you're you know, you're in these
environments and you go back to Clubland and got those
younger boys, had a looking for guidance and you know, leadership.
It's probably one of the biggest things that you know,
I've taken and taken back to Newcastle, which is which
is really cool. So I'd say my leadership and just
you know, a little just to pick up little things
on preparation off some of the boys and use it
in your own game. But yeah, for me, it's just

(01:34:23):
you know, going back to Clubland and then helping those
younger boys and overrun.

Speaker 6 (01:34:28):
To be honest, it's yeah, leadership definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
Twenty twenty five was a challenging year for Newcastle. How
will you look to put that behind you when you
reassemble for pre season.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
Yeah, it was pretty tough.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
The last sort of six weeks was yeah, not ideal
for the club and for the town and but I
guess I don't know, it's sort of it's hopefully pretty
easy to forget about that because it's you know, as
a club, it's rock bottom and you can't really get
much worse, so hopefully just just flush it down until
we've got a new coaching staff coming in a lot

(01:35:01):
of turnover and players, so there's going to be a
lot of.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
A lot of fresh faces and a lot of fresh ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
So I'm really excited get back there after this and yeah,
recess and and go again because we know we can
win games.

Speaker 6 (01:35:11):
We've got to. You know, it's one bad you've had,
so yeah, flush it down to till and go again.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
And back to the Kiwi's Obviously you're a utility. You've got,
you know, a lot of strings to your bow. What
do you think your best role to play what the
kiwis is?

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Yeah, I don't know, it's sort of You've got Jemie
Marsham King here who's an elite nine, So yeah, I
can cover a lot of positions, so I'll be staked anywhere,
but you know fourteen is probably you know where I
see myself in this team, and it's it's unreal.

Speaker 6 (01:35:42):
I just love to help the team out wherever I can.
And then you're obviously nine.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
For you my preferred position, So I get to learn
a lot from Jazz and you know, pick some things
up and take that back to Newcastle. But yeah, in
this team, I think it's probably probably at fourteen if
I if I'm in there so and it's a it's
a privilege to put on the jersey, no matter what number.

Speaker 6 (01:35:59):
So I'm excited and so I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Followed by Tonga. Of course, I guess you don't take
anybody likely, do you. You might think in the past
perhaps that that the Island nations are perhaps not as
as formidable proposition, but I guess last year probably showed
you that no matter who you play, you got to
turn up right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Yeah, exactly. That time of game last year was a
big smack in the face. And I think, you know,
at highlighted how much stronger those you know, those teams
are getting. And it's exciting for the International Arabia League.
It's exciting for them, it's exciting for us because you know,
other than I guess in the in the past it
was sort of three teams, it was England, Australian New Zealand,
and now it's you know, there's more teams competing and

(01:36:41):
winning games.

Speaker 6 (01:36:42):
So it's really exciting. I'm real happy to be and
privileged to be versuing those sort of teams and making
international foot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Growth because you know, this is our sort of this
is our peak and you know, I'm proud of the
boys are playing every team, so that's good.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
It must be quite nice to play Mount Smart too
as a home player, rather than getting there and having
to face the Warriors and their fans.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Oh, I still feel like game when your first tomadare
I's just read truth.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
That's good than you for everything.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
It's it's yeah, it's special, just a yeah, I guess
to play in New Zealand and yeah, your home so
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
A lot of excitement about these upcoming games. Phoenix, thanks
so much for joining us, mate. I hope they go
really well for you and appreciate you taking the time today.

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
Thanks for I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
No, I appreciate you joining us, Phoenix, Phoenix, Crossland. There
out of the Kiwi's, I just had a colleague get
in touch from GO media saying most cars here are
covered in some orn flags. Everybody walking around has a
some more jersey on. I haven't seen a single Kiwis
one yet, so yeah, a home game maybe for New Zealand,
but against some more this afternoon for the women and

(01:37:46):
this evening for the men it might well be half
and half if not favored in the someorn favor or
waited in the smorn favor of that message is to
be believed. So the Kiwi Ferns take on fifty some
More at three point thirty five this afternoon, and then
it's the Kiwi's against some More at five past six.
Oh yeah, some really interesting games coming up for the

(01:38:09):
Kiwis and the Kiwi Ferns. So next week it's Tonga.
That's next Sunday night. In fact it's two Sundays away.
The Pacific Championship has run over three weeks, so New
Zealand against some More today, next week some More against Tonga,
and the following Sunday New Zealand against Tonga. The final
is on Sunday, November the ninth, at five past six

(01:38:32):
Heartland Championship Rugby. The Lahore Cup final is being played
just out of Uamadu. The home side North Otago against
Hotofinuwa Company. Fourteen minutes gone in North Otago out to
a fourteen erl leaders. They look to continue the South
Island dominance of provincial rugby. This year we've got Canterbury
and Otago in the NPC final. We had Mid Canterbury
win the Meads Cup yesterday, North Otago ahead in the

(01:38:57):
Lahore Cup and of course the Ramfurley Shields there as well. Jason,
how did Hayden wild get on? Ask screg on text?
You gave us the results for the one hundred, but
he had another race today. Can you tell us how
he got on?

Speaker 18 (01:39:09):
You?

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
That races later on today? Greg, that's the Olympic distance
triathlon format one point five k swim, forty k bike,
ten k run underway for the men at seven o'clock
New Zealand time, so five o'clock over in Woollongong, seven
o'clock for us. The women's race underway at two local times,
so what's that four o'clock for us? So yeah, those

(01:39:30):
Olympic distance races are still to come this afternoon in
Woollongong two twenty four here at news Talk z B.
If you missed our chat with Luvinson, just reminding you
that it is online, just go to news Talk zb
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with Jason Pine an enlightening chat with Louvins and from

(01:39:51):
earlier on today when we come back though. New Zealand
bred horse ka Ying Rising an absolute superstar sprinter, winning
the world's richest race on turf yesterday, the Everest at Randwick.
Bred here in New Zealand by Fraser Aurt. He's going
to join us after this. On Weekend Sport to twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
The big Issues on and off the field Call eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Pinne and GJ.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Gunderholmes, New Zealand's most trusted homebuilder News talks.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
To Baby To twenty seven. New Zealand bred horse Kaying
Rising has confirmed his superstar status, winning the world's richest
race on turf, the twenty million dollar the Everest Race
at Randwick yesterday.

Speaker 29 (01:40:35):
Marsuin front from overpass, Kaying Rising turlings away, then Jimmy Star,
Claire from Tempted Lady Shinanda, Johnny Star down the outside
overpass takes the laid by Ley ka Ying Rising. Starktar
Hurtin says, come on, boy, Shary Assies what you've got cha?

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Yang Rising moved.

Speaker 29 (01:40:54):
Up to overpass Clai from Jimmy Star.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Look Kai Yang.

Speaker 29 (01:40:58):
Rising champions do what others cant. He's the world's bestpread
to day down Chai Ying Rising bon.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
Day Everest indeed superbly by his regular jockey, Hong Kong
based Australian Zach Perton. Kaying Rising settled in third, took
the lead passing the three hundred meter mark and surged
clear towards the line for a dominant win. It takes
his record to fifteen wins from seventeen starts and career
earnings to nineteen and a half million, including seven million

(01:41:29):
for winning the Everest Yesterday. He was bred here in
New Zealand by Fraser Aurett, who joins us now. Fraser,
tell us about your emotions as you watched the Everest
race yesterday.

Speaker 11 (01:41:40):
Oh look, it's been a heck of a journey that
he's taken us all on. And you know, it seems
like yesterday it was just a cute little foal running round,
So goodness me, it's certainly a pinch yourself moment.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
Can you tell us about the story of Kaying Rising?
Tell us about his journey?

Speaker 11 (01:41:59):
Yes, So I trained the mother, Missy Mooshi, ended up
winning five races and and when she retired her owner
wasn't too keen to sort of breed He was getting
on a bit in age, and this was actually the
very first horse that we ever bread, would you believe.

Speaker 7 (01:42:16):
And we were doing some work for Windsor.

Speaker 11 (01:42:19):
Park stud at the time, and we've had a couple
of sham expresses through the stable that I really really liked,
and so you know, we just sort of made the
decision to.

Speaker 9 (01:42:30):
Delve into it really and send her there.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
Is it true your kids nicknamed him rocket when he
was a foal.

Speaker 25 (01:42:36):
Yes, So when we.

Speaker 11 (01:42:38):
Went to pick him up from the stud when he
was about two months old, he was roaring around the
paddic one hundred bars an hour and all the kids
sort of said, Dad, we've got to call this orce rocket.
And it's so ironic that he's actually turned out to
be a rocket, isn't he?

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
Indeed, indeed, I've had it described to me like this Fraser.
We traditionally produce middle distance runners and athletics terms pigg
of snow, John Walker, Kayeing Rising is like Usain Bolt.
How has this happened?

Speaker 11 (01:43:05):
Look, look, that's a very good question and one I
can't really answer.

Speaker 25 (01:43:08):
And I tell you why.

Speaker 11 (01:43:10):
In the pedigree there's even a Melbourne Cup winner that
was thirty two hundred meters and Kaying's mother was definitely
at her best around a two thousand meter mark. So yes, look,
he's not really even in the frame of a sprinter.
So one thing you learn when you're involved in racing

(01:43:31):
is the first rule is that there isn't any rules,
and I think I think he's evidence of that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Yeah, So at what point would it have become obvious
that he was a sprinter?

Speaker 11 (01:43:42):
Look, he's just so fast basically, you know, and right
from day dot when he had his very first sort
of gallop, you know, he just had an extra couple
of gears I guess you would say that most horses
don't have. And you know, as he's strengthened and matured
and things, he's just actually improved each and every season

(01:44:03):
and it's sort of scary to think. And he's he's
only really sort of hit full physical maturity now.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
So tell us then what the future might hold for him?

Speaker 11 (01:44:14):
Well, like literally to sound cliche, it's the world is
his oysa. And look, he's even his weight is sort
of now more now than it was last year and
the year before, and that's all sort of muscle muscle
definition and that sort of thing. So He's been handled
so beautifully by the Hayes camp. He hasn't been over raced,

(01:44:37):
He's been really really looked after. And look, I still
believe it's all in front of him.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
He usually races in Hong Kong. His trip down Under
to tackle the Everest was the catalyst for a lot
of questions about whether he could deliver. He did, obviously,
why was their doubt?

Speaker 11 (01:44:54):
Look, I think I think the big thing is if
you historically look through, traveling.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
Is not easy.

Speaker 11 (01:45:01):
It's not easy to go to a different jurisdiction, different temperatures.
I mean, these are these are finally tuned athletes and
you're taking them right out of their comfort zone and
that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
So for me.

Speaker 11 (01:45:14):
Personally, it wasn't a question whether he was good enough
to win the race. It was just a question of
whether you know the traveling, the different atmosphere and all
the rest of it. And look, he really the trial.
I've never ever seen a trill that there were so
much split split opinions on. You know, half half people
sort of felt like he was unbeatable after that, and

(01:45:37):
half the half the people felt he was no chance
at all. You know, But in some ways it added
to the theater of the of the race, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
Absolutely, And just can you take us through the race?
What are your emotions as you watch your race from
start to finish like that?

Speaker 11 (01:45:52):
Look, I guess, I guess for for for us just
watching on. You know, obviously he generally does begin really well,
so he takes a bit of luck out of the equation.

Speaker 7 (01:46:03):
And and then when you've.

Speaker 11 (01:46:04):
Got someone of the of the League of Zach Zach
on board, you know, he made sure he didn't go
to the rail and risks sort of being put in
a lux type situation where he needed to get out.
He sort of made sure that that he's in the
clear throughout the race. And I guess you know, that's
that's what it's all about, isn't it. But when he

(01:46:25):
turned for home, you know, yeah, you just sort of
hold your breath and and things, but he just lets
go with the most magnificent sprint and and he did
that again on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Did your phone blow up with messages afterwards?

Speaker 7 (01:46:40):
Yes, it certainly did, certainly did.

Speaker 11 (01:46:42):
And you know that's a wonderful thing with these horses.
You know, they're they're they're very time consuming, they're a
massive team, team effort. It takes a takes a whole village,
you know, and so yeah, a lot of people have
been involved with his journey and everyone's loved every minute
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
Yeah. Well it was majestic watching him pull away there
yesterday in the Everest phrase, I thank you so much
for joining us and giving us some insight. Mate, No
doubt you'll be You'll be basking in the glory of
this one for a little while longer.

Speaker 11 (01:47:11):
Absolutely, I might have had to have had a penadole
or two this one.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
Love and Fraser, thanks for your time this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (01:47:18):
Ah, it's a pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Thank you, No, thank you, Fraser Fraser. Al Right there,
kir We Breeder of Kaying Rising who won the Everest yesterday,
pocketing seven million for winning that race, taking career earnings
to nineteen and a half million, twenty six away from three.
Going to get your state side shortly. Let's just cover
off some football though. The A League season is underway
for our men's sides, Wellington Phoenix and Auckland f C.

(01:47:41):
Auckland FC were in Melbourne last night taking on Melbourne victory.
It was a tough encounter, bit of an arm wrestle
a bit of a cagey affair at times. It finished
nil nil. Here is Auckland FC head coach Steve Corricker's
overall assessment afterwards.

Speaker 30 (01:47:56):
Good defensive effort, I think tonight every I'm working hard. Obviously,
first game is always tough to get under way and
it's also a hard place to come in. I thought,
you know, they're a good team, Semi final rematch, all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:48:10):
But I'm a little bit disappointed that we didn't get
the three points.

Speaker 30 (01:48:13):
But I think in well, in all, we had a
couple of good chances to score they got blocked or
we didn't put our body on the line to get
in them areas and be a little bit more clinical.
But now that's an area obviously we can improve on
next week. Defensively, I thought we were good.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
Was there a bit of early season ruster, bit of
early season clunkiness perhaps?

Speaker 30 (01:48:33):
I think so, And you know, first first day jitters
a little bit. You know, there were good defensively as well.
I got a few players that are just starting to
come back as well from injury, so you know we're
going to get better and better as time goes on.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
And finally from Steve Coriker, how has he gone about
replacing the first season energy. Last season and their maiden season,
everything was new and fresh and different and exciting. So
how is he replicating that in the second season of
the club.

Speaker 30 (01:49:04):
I think we're going to find that at home when
we get crowd you know, they're amazing the port and
all the members that turn up. We have big crowds
and we're looking forward to going back there next week
against Wanderers. But you know, when you're away from home,
you know, it's a little bit different. Obviously, like you said,
from from the first year, you know, no one really
knew us. They didn't know what expected from us except

(01:49:25):
for ourself. But again, let's finished this season and then
it's a new season and we need to step up
again and we've brought in players to try and do that.
So whether it takes you know a little bit of
time to get them going, you know, that's so be it.
But I think we've been a good position come the
inn a season that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
Is Steve Coriker so awalk to the FC. Starting with
a Nillell draw away at Melbourne Victory. They will host
the Western Sydney Wanderers at home this coming Saturday to
the Wellington Phoenix who came back from to nil down
early on in their game against Perth Glory to draw
to too. Gian Calotaliano as their head coach, So what
was his overall assessment of the performance.

Speaker 28 (01:50:05):
I thought we started slow. I think we couldn't adjust
to their directors. Obviously they had planned against our high line,
and every time the ball went loose, they were just
playing balls behind us. I actually thought that the reason
why we were disjointed, primarily was the fact that Hughsey
was a late withdrawal from the team and we practiced

(01:50:25):
with him and Lucas had just come back from international
duty with Painting, so it took him a little bit
of time to adjust, and I think we're just a
little bit out of whack. I thought the second goal
was very poor to concede. It actually entailed everything that
we didn't want to do. We showed that at half time.

(01:50:46):
But I think as the game panned out, especially on
the right hand side, so Painting side, once we started
pulling out the wing back and come inside, it felt
like a game plan started working. We scored and then
there was belief in the group. I think there was
actually belief growing. But the goal was the perfect timing
just before halftime and it was a great goal. For

(01:51:07):
the second goal was so happy. It was something that
we planned early delivery and behind with a player coming
at the backstick, and I thought Carlo like finished that
it was unbelievable finish. I think the disappointing thing was
we had all the momentum, we had all the ball
and then I had to make some full subs and
it just took momentum away. But in saying that, I

(01:51:27):
thought like Joshi in the second half was sweeping a
lot more braver which allowed us to be a little
bit more on the front foot. But overall really happy
turn Neil down to come back get a result away
from home, especially in Perth.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
I'll take it. And Wellington's first goal was scored by
their new Nigerian import striker. You find is a what
did Gianclo or Taliano make of his debut?

Speaker 28 (01:51:49):
Really good? I said this when I signed him. I
think he's a different player. Awkward player, very hard to defend.
He can do some amazing things with the ball you
see the training, but he just makes some weird movements
and very unpredictable and I think in this league it's
going to take a very very good defender to stop him,

(01:52:11):
and I think even today, I think he probably had
one more chance that he could have capitalize on. But
for me, a great impact.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
And finally from John Calo Otaliano, who his other goal
scorer is another new rival, Carlo Armiento. What did he
make of his debut?

Speaker 28 (01:52:23):
One of the probably most promising signings I've ever made.
Is a great kid and he works so hard. You know,
we're working on his defensive side because he's playing as
a wing back. But the reason why I put him
in that position is because I want him to score goals.
And the fact that he was on the end of it.
Didn't think he had much else in the game in
terms of building up on the right on the left

(01:52:44):
hand side, he wasn't really getting a lot of ball,
but the fact that he was there late to score,
that's credit to him.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
That's John Calo Italiano, head coach of Wellington Phoenix two
two against Perth Glory last night. They will host Brisbane
Raw next Sunday in their first home game of the
season coming up twenty to three. When we come back
were state side ly on Busby our US sports expert joining.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
US hold Engaged Weekend Sports with Jason Time and GJ.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Gunnomes New Zealand's first trusted Homilder.

Speaker 4 (01:53:14):
News Talk to Baby seventeen to three Time to talk
you as sports. Shohei Otani has delivered one of the
greatest performances in baseball history as defending champions the Los
Angeles Dodgers beat the Milwaukee Brewers to reach the World Series.

Speaker 28 (01:53:30):
In Game four of the LCS, said, now goes Otari,
show Hey, lighting up the highlights already.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Oh my goodness, show o tardy.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
Otari, Toddy Otori.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Ohty has done.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
It again, sho Hey Otani smashing three huge home runs
as well as striking out ten Brewers batters and pitching
six scoreless innings in a comprehensive five to one victory
as the Dodgers swept the series. Or nill his three
home runs and ten strikeouts in the same game as

(01:54:10):
a Major League Baseball postseason record, highlighting his rare talent
of excelling with bat and ball. Ore you sports expert
is Leon Busby, who joins US Now, Leon, how unique
is what Shohei Otani is doing right now?

Speaker 9 (01:54:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 31 (01:54:28):
Good afternoon, Jess, and thanks for having me back.

Speaker 9 (01:54:31):
Man.

Speaker 31 (01:54:31):
I'm what he's doing is unprecedented. If we look at
the stats and you just mentioned some of them there,
he struck our ten bat, has given up no runs
against across six plus scoreless innings as a starting pitcher,
and then as a designated hitter, he crushed three home runs,
including one of the fourth which most of the people
who watch the game will just be shaking the heads,

(01:54:52):
which he duly blasted out of the stadium. That particular
shot had a recorded one hundred and eighty eight kilometers
per hour exits velocity office bat traveling an incredible one
hundred and forty five minutes. How wild is that say?
He's the only player, as you alluded to, in Major
League Baseball history, to achieve this feat in a pennant
clinching game. Just when you thought there's no more superditives

(01:55:13):
to describe what Ani's doing right now is unprecedented. People
often referred to him as a unicorn, and he's easily
the best player in baseball right now and yesterday he
found a way to break out of his recent postseason
slump in dramatic fashion. Now, long time ESPN Baseball commentator
Jeff Passon said that o'tani is literally quote redefining the

(01:55:36):
game in real time, close quote history unfold him for
our very eyes. I mean, what he's doing for the
sport at South Piney is incredible and justifies his groundbaked
groundbreak in December twenty twenty three to one ten years,
seven hundred million dollar contract.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
It's crazy, absolutely crazy. These numbers that we always talk
about when you're on with us are just eyewatering. So
I'm staying with ye, staying with Ajor League Baseball. Where
are Where are we in the American League Championship Series?

Speaker 31 (01:56:05):
Yes, the Dodgers now also have the advantage of resting
up and awaiting the winner of the acl ALCS sorry
between the Mariners and Blue Jays, with Seattle leading three
to two following a pivotal win yesterday. Over the five
game series so far, Toronto has scored twenty seven runs
in Seattle twenty five, and by a couple of lopsided results,

(01:56:25):
this series has been very evenly matched for most part.
The final two games now moved back to Canada, and
the Mariners only need to win one Seattle. Since entering
the league forty eight years ago at nineteen seventy seven.
Are actually their only team and MLB history never to
compete for the World Series, and it would be a
great story if they can finally get to the four Classics.

Speaker 4 (01:56:46):
What are the latest starts you've got for us?

Speaker 31 (01:56:49):
Yes, the most money, expectedly, it is on our la
to repeat with both Seattle and Toronto evenly priced. It's
great for baseball in general to see some of the
smaller market teams like Seattle, Toronto and Milwaukee showing up
on the big stage. However, and away Piney is also
an air of inevitability about the World Series because the
Dodgers are built to win it now with a stacked

(01:57:11):
and deep roster. I feel that if Ballet don't win
it all again this year, it'll be seeing as a
failure considering the astronomical amount of contract money they shout
out during the off season. Their manager has even said
they're more than happy to take on the villain roll.
So we'll see how this all plays out when the
World Series starts this.

Speaker 4 (01:57:27):
Saturday, pining we will, okay. So as the baseball season
is coming towards its climax, the NBA is getting underway.
In fact, I think Day one of the NBA is
this coming Wednesday. That's New Zealand time. A few storylines here?
Can we start with a but a special recognition for
Steph Curry.

Speaker 31 (01:57:47):
Yes, so Steph Curry, obviously everyone knows he's going to
be a first ballot Hall of Famer. So he's about
to start his seventeenth season with the Golden State Warriors.
So he's one of only ten players to ever play
for one franchise in his career for more than seventeen seasons.
Curry will join Hall of Fame inductee like and these
are probably some names that your listeners are are familiar with.

(01:58:10):
Dirt Novitski, he played for the Mavericks and holds the
outright record of twenty one years. Classey, followed by Kobe
Bryant and Tim Duncan, who both played with their same teams,
the Lakers in San Antonio's first for twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
So.

Speaker 31 (01:58:22):
Other legends of the game that are part of this
elite group include Kim Elijah On with the Rockets, John
Stocked him with the Utah Jazz, and Regi Miller with
the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 4 (01:58:33):
Victor Wembin Yamah You Reckon, he might be set for
a breakout year.

Speaker 31 (01:58:39):
Yes, I feel like you know. He's a marquee player
for the franchise and he's entering his third season in
the association, so he overcame some health challenges from last
year and has worked extremely hard in the offseason to
riddy himself where the physical riggers his seven foot five
inch frame will have to endure. So expect something special
from the Frenchman this season. Wenby r Field will be

(01:59:00):
primed for big things as one of the faces of
the NBA, as long as he can stay healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
Piney, what about in terms of favorites for the NBA.
I know we're right at the start of the season,
but I'm sure the bookies have got their favorites.

Speaker 11 (01:59:11):
Yep.

Speaker 31 (01:59:11):
So the latest britty knods predict Cleveland, New York, and
Orlando to come out of the East, while in the West, OKC, Denver,
and Houston. Based on those odds, the thunder and Cavaliers
a favorite to meet in the finals. Unfortunately for Andy's Pelicans,
they're slightly long. Odds are at plus seventeen thousand, five hundred,
So I guess it's fair to say that New Orleans

(01:59:34):
have only been rated to living out of fifteen in
the Western Conference. I don't think they're going to get
to the posted and sorry Andy, but also in tier
in terms of the MVP Awards, it's a list of
the usual suspects, including reigning championship guilders Alexander of the
OKAC Thunder, closely followed by Jokicha the Nuggets. Also, you've
got Luca Gianna, Santa Ta Compo and Wenby there to

(01:59:55):
round up.

Speaker 9 (01:59:56):
The top five.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
And Michael Jordan's got a new role in the NBA.

Speaker 31 (02:00:00):
Yeah exciting, So yeah, finding there's a lot of summon
around the league with sixty two year old bussketball legend
Michael Jordan set to return to the NBA via NBC
Sports as a special contributing commentator from next week. So,
even twenty plus years on after returning for the final time,
mj is still widely considered the greatest basketball in history.

(02:00:22):
And here's analysis of the modern game, a very different
era from when he grossed the hard court will be intriguing,
to say the least, pining.

Speaker 4 (02:00:29):
Let's go to football, college football. You got the latest
rankings for us yet.

Speaker 31 (02:00:34):
So college football is into Week eight already and at
the moment. There are games going on as we speak,
so the latest rankings see the Ohio State Buckeye is
still at number one, Miami Hurricanes at two, Indiana Hoosia's three,
Texas A and m Aggie's four, and the Old Miss
Rebels rounding out the top five.

Speaker 4 (02:00:53):
And we had a football coach as posta conglo show
on the door at Nottingham Forest after about a month
and the job a prominent head coach in college football
lasted about the same allant of time. By this sounds
of it.

Speaker 31 (02:01:04):
Yeah, that's right, finey. Although there are some key games
this weekend, the biggest story this week was a foreign
of James Franklin, the head coach of Pennsylvania State University
better known as penn State. Into his twelfth season with
the Litany Lions. That's such a cool name. Franklin was
let go even though he still owed fifty million dollars

(02:01:24):
on his contracts. He had six seasons of ten plus wins,
won seventy percent of his games, and leaves with a
one hundred and four to forty five record. Unfortunately, you know,
if you're a head coach, they and they haven't won
a national time normost forty years. I guess it's fair
to say that no one's safe pining.

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
No indeed, and to the NFL to finish Round seven games.
The Miami Dolphins a bit of a mess.

Speaker 13 (02:01:50):
Ah.

Speaker 31 (02:01:51):
Yes, this is a bit well, I shouldn't really laugh,
but anyway, it is a little bit of a comical story.
Say near the bottom of the AFC of the Miami
Dolphins have won to five. There's been much speculation that
the style wide receiver Tyreek Kill, affectionately known as a cheatah,
may be traded because of contractual issues. In just a
sense from inside sources, he's unhappy with the organization in general. Now,

(02:02:12):
Miami's head coach, Mike McDaniel is on the so called
hot seat and expected to be one of many to
be fired as a season unfold. I don't like seeing
anybody lose a job. But something out of the norm happened.

Speaker 6 (02:02:23):
Just recently.

Speaker 31 (02:02:24):
A group of passionate Dolphin fans started to go funbee
Paige and raised the two thousand dollars they needed. Now, poney,
do you want to have a guess what they raised
the money for?

Speaker 4 (02:02:34):
No, I don't want to have a guess. I need
you to tell me.

Speaker 15 (02:02:38):
So.

Speaker 31 (02:02:39):
A small plane was hired to fly a banner that
read fire Grier, fire McDaniel over the home stadium prior
to a recent home game. There's a grown resentment from
the bad results that a fan base adamant that by
firing both their general manager and head coach will go
a long way to riding the sinking shifts, so to speak.
Certainly a different way of garnering attention, but it may

(02:03:00):
well get the undivided attention of the team owners. Only
in America, Pioneer only in America.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
Only in America. Gott to leave it there, Leon, It's
a packed sporting schedule in the US right now. Really
appreciate your joining us to keep us up with it.
Leon Busby State site here on Weekend Sports seven.

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News Talks eNB that is us on Weekend Sport for
Today Hughes thanks to Tyra for producing the show. Thank
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