Full Show Podcast: 25 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hello, Kiyota, good afternoon, and welcome in to the Sunday
edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks V. The last
Sunday edition for twenty twenty four August anyway, not for
the whole you don't worry. It's August twenty five. I'm
Jason Pine. Show producer is Annie McDonald. We have got
a real mixed bag and plenty of variety for you
between now and three. The thirty seventh America's Cup about

(00:53):
to get underway off the coast of Barcelona. The warm
up regatta almost done. That's the prelude to the Louis
Verton Challenger Series, which starts next week ahead of Team
New Zealand's defense of the Old Mug in October. Match.
Racing champion and sailing commentator Chris Steele is along shortly
and I'm quite keen to gauge your interest levels. In

(01:14):
this given the fact that KUFF is being defended not
on Waitamata Harbor as it was three years ago, but
half a world away in Barcelona, worth racing taking place
as most of us are asleep. Are you still feeling
a connection or do you think you're will once we
get towards the business end. Also this hour, our ears
perked up this week when Red Ball Formula one advisor

(01:37):
Helmut Marco said in an interview that kiw Liam Lawson
will either be part of the main Red Bull team
or the sister outfit RB next year, a full time
if one drive for Liam Lawson. We'll examine the validity
of these claims with Bob McMurray this hour. Other matters

(01:58):
around today, the world number one ranked men's tennis player
Yarnick Sinner has avoided suspension despite testing positive not once,
but twice for a banned anabolic steroid back in March.
This has created plenty of chatter. Former Director General of WADA,
David Howmond with us on that after one keep we
golfer and Olympic champion Lydia cohe is and a type

(02:20):
of fourth with one round remaining in the women's Open
Championship at the Old Course at Saint Andrew's former pro
Phil Tatordagi on that over the next couple of weeks.
Neilim O'Neill is a name to look out for. She'll
become the first female Kiwi shooter to compete at a
Paralympic Games in forty years four to Zho forty years
and the first woman ever to represent US in air

(02:43):
pistol at the Paralympics. She's going to join us for
a chat after two the new A League men's football season,
now less than two months away hour Auckland FC traveling
this new team to the competition. Their director of football
Terry mcflynn, will update us on their progress and James
mcconey in his regular Sunday slot beaming in I Think
from Scotland Today Live Sport this afternoon. Farrah Palmer Cup

(03:05):
Rugby O T and Tasman approaching half time in Duneed
and it's Tasman leading twelve five after thirty four minutes.
Wellington and Munawit TWU have just kicked off in Pottydoer
Taranaki against North Harbor and New Plymouth from five past
one and in the Bunnings End PC Otago against Bay
have Plenty in Dunedin five past two. We'll get you
to Dunedin actually for a preview before kickoff with Gold

(03:27):
Sport commentator Paul Allison. Wellington up against Munawatu in Potty
do it at the same time. We'll keep you updated
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Speaker 1 (03:49):
Breaking down the hail Mary's and the empy fails weekends
fort with Jason Lyme, New Stork zenb.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
TA Barcelona team New Zealand still unbeaten after three days
of the America's Cup warm up regatta.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
So on a day when the win has just tailed
off at the end of it, LEAs Cambert's team is
either the defender of the Louis Viton thirty seven of
the America's Cup have done pretty much at the job,
a flawless job on a lingy red bull racing. They
will go into Sunday with a perfect record. They are
four from four.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Pre out the Kiwikru beating Switzerland's a Lingey Racing by
more than a minute, maintaining their spot at the top
of the leader board. Just one more round robin race
to go. That's tomorrow against American Magic before the top
two teams compete in the final. Luna Rossa is second
on the table three wins and a loss. American Magic
are third with a two to two split. Now the

(04:46):
Louis Viton Cup round robin starts next week. The semi
final is scheduled for September fourteen through twenty three, and
the Louis Vton Final to find the challenger between September
twenty six and October seven. The best of thirteen race
series for the thirty seventh America's Cup will be raced
from octom Over twelve through twenty seven. Let's bring in

(05:09):
top match racing sailor and America's Cup commentator Chris Steele,
who was a huge part of News Talks Heit best
coverage of the last America's Cup regatta in Auckland back
in twenty twenty one. Chris, thanks for taking the time.
First of all, what's the reason for holding this preliminary regatta.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Well thinkably, it's a curtain raiser. It's actually kind of
as much for the organizer as it is for the teams,
giving them a chance to get race ready. So make
sure all the software packages are working with the race
management software for the starts and timings and all that
sort of stuff, and then make sure that the communications

(05:47):
with the umpires and course masters and all that work
as well. So from the race side of it, it's
basically a practice running on that throne and them. For
the teams, it gives them a chance to, yeah, to
line up and make sure that they can get their
boats sort of race ready, and I guess compete in
an environment where his think quite on the lines just yet.

(06:07):
But like you said, it's only it's only a week
or so away before that they actually start racing for
proper points. So yeah, a lot of time to make
changes if they're having issues, which we have seen in
the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So will the teams be showing their full hand or not,
It's hard to say.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I think certainly you can probably say that the kiwis
definitely won't be. They've got quite a bit more time
up the leave before they start racing for points, they
actually but I think for the other teams they'll be
sailing as probably hard as they can. But whether or
not they're they're showing all their cards in terms of
the performance of the boats another question. But I think

(06:48):
the conditions are definitely something that's playing a big part
in the series. We've already seen a range of conditions
there in Barcelona with the Sea States, and I think
it's interesting to see the different performances of the teams
as those conditions shown. So yeah, it hasn't been two
i think, from the last couple of days of racing,

(07:08):
but I think it's definitely going to look a lot
closer this time around than it was last.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
All right, I want to talk more about the condition soon.
But Team New Zealand is defend to set the rules
and they've set them to allow themselves to compete in
both the preliminary regatta and the first rounds of the
Louis Vuitton Challenger Series. Why have they done that? Do
you think?

Speaker 4 (07:30):
I think you know, if you look at how complicated
these boats are and how much they're developing in such
sort spaces the time, that the best reference that you're
always going to be able to get is actually physically
sailing them. They do a lot of the simulation behind
closed doors, as we saw on the last American Cut.
When you actually get out there and start racing physically

(07:51):
against another boat, you don't really get a chance to
physically test all your systems and your numbers as accurately.
So I guess being able to race in the Challenger
Series is probably the biggest advantage for them is just
being able to get race ready so that the practice
of the mattressing situations and also charts to gauge where

(08:15):
they're at in relation to their competitors. So I'll learn
a lot in that time on which areas their boat's
going to be faster and stronger in different conditions in
different ways that they can set it up. And then yeah, again,
when they get to the America's Cup and they're actually starting
races for points, they'll have a much better idea of

(08:35):
where their boats sort of stacks up against everyone else's.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Do you think the decision to take part this early
was partly based on twenty twenty one when they didn't
and we're a bit rusty to start in the America's
Cup match? What was it three all. I think after
six races, wasn't it before they won the next four?
Do you think twenty twenty one would have played a
part in the decision making this time?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, I do. Actually, I think if you look back
to that last America's Cup here in New Zealand, I
think the Key has definitely had a slightly faster boat
in most areas, but the Italians came out of the
blocks really strong, just with the way they were sailing it.
They sailed a couple of really good races and they
said it was three all at one point, and I

(09:18):
think there's actually the seventh race that the Italians were
sort of leading coming to that last top mark. They
could have actually potentially on four races there, and who
knows what could have happened after that. So I think
it's it's a smart, smart move from Teamy Zellen to
put themselves into the Challenges series, and like I said,
you know, they don't have to show all their cards

(09:38):
in terms of how fast the boat can go, but
they'll they'll learn a lot from the bottom but Matt
racing and where they stack up against the other teams.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Chatting America's Cup with Chris Steele, Chris the AC seventy five.
Are they basically the same as what's used in sal GP.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
No, they're quite different. So sal GP is basically the
f fifty canamaran, So so fifty foot canmarans that they
used the Bermuda America's Cup back in I think it's
twenty seventeen and they competed all those boats made them
one design. So obviously the seventy five minor hells at

(10:15):
the sailing in the America's Cup are a fair bit
bigger and yeah just single hell so still foiling, but yeah,
quite quite a visually different to look at and in terms.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Of sailing them. Then will the core team new Zelling
crew including Peter Berling, Bleadcheck and others who have spent
the last year or so in sal GP will will
that give them an advantage in a failing boat at
the America's Cup.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
It would definitely give them advantage in terms of being
able to sail another foiling boat fast around the racetrack.
But all those teams have been competing in sal GP
as well. I think probably the only only sort of
team that doesn't have the solid sort of core group
on sound GP, which are also in the Americas Cup
would be the American team. You've obviously got Tom Slingsby,

(11:04):
who drives the Australian team there, but then the rest
of the team are Americans, and I don't think those
guys are on the sow GP boat there, so they're
probably the one different different team that regards. But I
think they've done a lot of having to get all ready,
and you know, all those guys do a lot of foiling,

(11:25):
so I wouldn't think that would plans it too much.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Team New Zealand also shared their boat design package with
the new French Challenger orient Express Racing. Will they be
able to learn much from watching the French sail and
the Louis Vuton or will it be more about what
they do themselves in the Louisvouton.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I think they will, yeah, because and I've been sort
of watching the French over the last couple of days
quite quite closely, because I think the French will destinately
push them pretty hard. So the boats are very similar visually.
I'm sure there's some differences in the way that the
software and the systems on board the boats are sort

(12:01):
of wide and run, but I think the performance from
the French is probably as close to the keys as
what you're going to see from from any of the
other teams. So and they've looked fast. I mean, I
think I don't expect them to go very far in
the competition just because they're basically it's in their first
first edition in the coup and and these boats, and

(12:23):
you can kind of see with the racing that's already
happened that they're they're quite far behind in terms of
just getting the time on distance and things like the
maneuvers and stuff as tidy as everyone else. And ultimately
that's kind of what's cost them in a couple of
races that combined with things like gear failure and systems failures.
But in terms of straight line boat speed, they've they've

(12:44):
looked really impressive. So I face and I guess learn
how to sell the boat a little bit more consistently
and be a little bit better with their their timings.
I think, you know, they'll be quite a strong team.
But yeah, like I said, I think the experience might
just be a little bit too much for them to go,
you know, that far in the competition.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
This time around to Lena Rossa feel to you like
the most likely team that Team news Ylan will face
in the America's Cup match.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I think the short answer would be yes. I
think they look definitely probably the most polished, and I
think that the Italian boat this time around has kind
of gone a little bit towards where the team is
yelland boat was last time, and I think the team's
Zeland but last time has kind of come back towards
Luna roster as well. So the two boats look a

(13:31):
lot more similar. They're still quite different, I think performance wise.
I mean, we barely got to see them race the
other day, but at the early signs in that first
race that they had were very very similar in terms
of performance. So I think on paper, the Italians are
probably the strongest, and then I think the Americans are
probably the dark horse. I think in terms of their package,

(13:52):
it probably looks the most different to all the other teams.
They've gone down a different pathway with the recumbent cyclists
in a very sleek, sort of aerodynamic looking boat. The
question will be whether or not those cyclers can produce
a much power and if they can manage that around
the racetrack, then you know, will the boat be that
much better that the performances is enough to see them

(14:14):
sort of come through with a bit of an upset.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
So recumbent cycling, so they're not so they're lying down effectively,
not setting up like an a normal like a normal on
a normal bike.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yeah, threat so they're basically lying on their back and
facing backwards in the boat, so they can get a
lot lower in the boat, so that they're basically the
whole profile of the boat is as a lot smaller,
it's a lot more aerodynamic based around that. So, I
mean the other teams have already sort of come out
and said that they looked into that and they the

(14:44):
numbers that they thought that recumblent cyclers were producing in
terms of the output when it's high. But the Americans
seem to think that that their cyclers are able to
put out numbers that are good enough. So I think
if they can get the boat around the racetrack without
you know, running out of power basically, then it'll be
interesting to see see how quickly those guys can can go.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Man, they'll be improving their abs of nothing else. This
regatta happens as Barcelona transitions from summer to autumn. You
talked before about variation and race conditions. Is that likely
to make them even more variable even within a race.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, I mean that's probably one of the only sort
of disappointing things that I was sort of taken out
of the last couple of days, out of watching the
race a moment, as the race tracks very one sided
that the shore side of the courses there's pretty much
a geographical right sort of shift. So generally speaking, I
think every boat that's won the right hand side of

(15:43):
the course of the start line has I think gone
on to win the race. And I haven't actually seen
any any passes around the racetrack, so hopefully that the
course gets a little bit more even. But I think
that the pressure, the wind strength and the wave conditions
are probably the biggest factor, and the performance of the

(16:04):
boats changes so quickly as such a narrow window when
you get it right and when you get it wrong,
And so I think we haven't seen the sort of
bigger waves that you can get at Barcelona just yet
in this current series. But I think if the sea
state gets up there, which it can, then I think
they're racing be very exciting. I think you'll see teams
having some big skills and crashes, and there'll be some

(16:26):
big games and losses to be made which will be
exciting to watch.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Just to finish, I think we'd all obviously prefer for
this to be happening on why Timight to Harbor. Again,
I don't necessarily want to relitigate that, but do you
think it'll be harder for a keywispack here to connect
with this regatta because it's so far away and the
racing happens in the middle of the night.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, I mean for sure. Obviously a midnight start time
is not going to be something that every day people
are going to be, you know, knocking off their work
hours to go and sort of watch in the middle
of the night. But you know, I guess one thing
that I've kind of learned over the years with Kiwi sporters,
we're pretty proud nation. Anytime Kewis are excelling on a

(17:09):
world stage at a high level, everyone seems to get
behind it. So whether or not that that happens with
the timing or not, I think we'll be in to see.
But obviously the race we've been free to air now
that certainly helps a lot of people as well. So hopefully, yeah,
everyone gets out and watches it and gets behind the
keywis again and who knows if they can pull off

(17:32):
another woman and hopefully they can bring it back here
and they can all watch it on the shores of
the one and made a.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, well, let's hope that is the case. Chris, Personally,
I'm not sure that that is in our future. Let's
try and win it first or defend it, and then
we'll see where the next offense takes place. Really appreciate
your time, thanks, Chris. Chris Steele is a former match
racer of huge ability and a very very astute sailing commentator,
as you could tell from our chat there. I am

(18:00):
keen to gauge your levels of interest in the America's Cup.
I know it hasn't really started yet, it hasn't. I mean,
this is the preliminary regatta for the Louis Vuton, the
Louis Vuitton next week and then the America's Cup itself,
where you know the real stuff is in October. But
have you got the sailing bug? Do you do? You

(18:21):
think you'll get it? Let's open the lines on this
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Of course, of
course it's going to be a heck of a lot
harder with the racing happening in the early hours of
the morning over here. But as Chris mentioned, it'll be
on free to wear, and if history tells us anything,
it's that when the America's Cup gets underway, we do
tend to latch on, don't we. There's no doubt that

(18:44):
there is a section of the New Zealand sporting public
this won't come as a surprise who have become almost
entirely disconnected from this team by the decision to defend
the Cup in Europe and not here. And as much
as most of us can even grudgingly understand the rationale
for that, and the decision by Grant Dalton to defend

(19:05):
the Cup in Spain because of the money on offer
over there and the huge expense involved in running the sport,
the fact remains that if the Louisa Time was about
to get underway on White Tomata Harbor, our engagement with
it would be exponentially greater. That's not rocket science, is it.
Of course, we'd engage a heck of a lot more
if it was here. But we have had so many

(19:26):
amazing America's Cup moments down the years, many of them offshore,
albeit and friendly at time zones of course, San Diego
ninety five, San Francisco twenty thirteen. That wasn't much fun.
I grant it being eight one ahead and losing nine eight,
But how much were we into that? Butm you to
twenty seventeen. I get the feeling that once the actual
America's Cup rolls around in October, there'll be a few

(19:48):
more of us stocking up on coffee and getting up
to watch. What about you? Will you be? Have you
dug deep into your drawer found your red Sox from
nineteen ninety five? Let's talk to America's Cup? Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty twelve twenty seven, back with your
calls after this.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
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Speaker 2 (20:15):
Twelve thirty news Talks, said Bay, Let's talk to America's
Cup and your engagement levels in it, either now or
what you expect them to be. Hello, Aenn, Hi, Jason,
how are you good? Thank you?

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Ben?

Speaker 7 (20:25):
I follow the America's Cup from early times and I
love it. I do tongue and Chick get my Red
Sox out. At some stage during each tournament I watch LGP.
I enjoy that I've started off on this America's Cup,
and I don't think I've got the stomach to continue
because it feels devoid of humans.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Interesting, What what makes you say that? What makes you
say that?

Speaker 7 (20:50):
In because you don't see them in They don't cross
the bog anymore. The s I only ever moved. The
only thing that moves is the core of the foil
as it goes up or down in the water. I've
hated it.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Wow, that's so interesting. So you just feel engage from
it because you're not seeing the sailors out there sort
of running across doing their things.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
Sammons, it looks like a sake grace on a plastic scene.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Interesting, Yes, of course, of course. Well so you're unlikely
then to be up in the middle of the night
what you're going.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
I'd imagine I might record it and sleck through, but
I just feel like it's so unnatural.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, interesting point you make, Anne, thank you. Yeah, as
you know, Yeah, times changed, don't they? And yes, this
is a million miles away from from what we saw
off San Diego in nineteen ninety five, and yeah, what
have we? You know, these falling cats are pretty pretty popular,
Pretty impressive, aren't they? With sal GP having now landed
on the scene. Too interesting interesting point you make. Thank

(21:51):
you for calling up and appreciate it, James, Hi.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
Yeah, Jason. One thing you were saying earlier, how you
know in the past as a nation we've supported the
America's captain. It's been overseas. I think that's true. But
the big difference with Listener's Cup, sadly is, you know,
there's no guarantee obviously if we win the Cup that
it comes back here. And I think the whole excitement

(22:18):
for this nation really from nineteen eighty seven was predicated
on if we won the Cup we would get the
industry back here, and it seems a wee bit hollow.
We're in the final and I look, I obviously hope
we do well, but that's about where it ends. And
that's never been the reason. Why is the nation we've
been excited at the Cup?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Great point? James, Yeah. I think of San Diego ninety
five and we knew, didn't we if Black Magic won it,
which they did. We're having in Auckland's a few years later,
which we did and then defended it when a LINGI
took it office in three same with I guess in
twenty seventeen when we wanted them Bermuda, we knew almost
beyond a shadow of doubt it'll be back in Auckland.

(23:02):
So yeah, so now, I mean, you're so right. If
they win it off the coast of Barcelona, there's nothing
to suggest that it'll be back here in three or
four years.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Wow, my understanding is it in fact that it's not
coming back. So you know, it's obviously great to chair on.
You know, any team with ten New Zealand. You know
it's called teen New Zealand, but that's it, and in
fact that's would have been the reason why the country
we've been excited. You know, it's a massive industry. It

(23:30):
brings really hundreds of million dollars for the country who win.
And I'm certainly not blaming Dolson or anyone for what's happened,
but you know, all it is really is a yacht ray.
It doesn't all that other stuff really isn't part of
the stove.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, that's the collateral damage, isn't it. They as you say,
I think, I think I share your view, James. You know,
I understand why Grant Dalton made the decision that he did.
I totally get how expensive the sport is and you've
got to make the dollars and cents work. But yeah,
I just know that if it was back here, or
if we knew that, if they defended it it would
be coming back, there'd be a lot more personal investment,
I think from certainly from me, and I think a

(24:08):
lot of other kiwis too.

Speaker 8 (24:11):
It's just such a massive mess. It's rarely gonna think
about it. I think it's probably one of the dumbest
things as a nation that's need to really happened to
us is to try and get one of the world's
makers wanting it is down here. We do all the
work and there for all sorts of reasons, we lose

(24:32):
the opportunity to host it, and yet I think COVID
probably affected it things quite a bit, and there's probably
other reasons, but it's it's just so sad and I
think across the ballk of this country that we're not
hosting it and probably won host it again next time.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
A full thanks James, I appreciate your call, and I
look I agree with your sentiments. I think, Look, it's
highly likely that if Team New Zealand do defend in Barcelona,
the next one will be in Saudi Arabia. Quite likely,
they had they had a preliminary regretted they didn't they

(25:08):
a year or so ago. What's to say that the
next America's Cup won't be defended by Team New Zealand
in Saudi Arabia. Imagine me saying that sentence in nineteen
ninety five.

Speaker 9 (25:20):
Hello, Kelvin, good afternoon, Jason. Congratulations on an interview with
Anna yesterday, and I'm looking forward to seeing TV one
plus one at one o'clock this afternoon on the introduction
to the Power Games. I miss seeing it last night.
Now I think Anna's a Hamilton girl. But anyway, America's Cup,
I watched you from midnight. I think it was on

(25:41):
Tel about two thirty this morning, and it rekindled my
interest in it. But what I didn't like a lot
of what you're watching on the TV screen isn't actually
even real yachts. Forget about the people because you can't
sort of see them, as a previous call I mentioned,
but the actual it's almost like watching a video game.

(26:04):
It's too much. What's the word I'm at the word
I'm trying to think of, But anyway, it's it's not
really there's too much stuff on the screen computerized.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, the graphics on the screen, I think, Yeah, I
haven't really watched it, Calvin enough. But so what you're
saying is what you're what they're showing you on the
screen is a graphic representation of what's happening on the water.

Speaker 10 (26:27):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Or is it just when they they paint the lines
on the on the ocean as you're watching it?

Speaker 9 (26:32):
Yeah, I wish you had been my English teacher seventy five,
seventy five years ago, I maybe three next month, so
now and again my brain goes cold. But getting back
to the Americas, Yeah, so that was the story. But
when it did show little bits of real yacht, real water,
real waves, real sounds, it was quite good. But I'll

(26:53):
tell you now, I'm honest, I'm very very honest person,
because it's stoffed. My nose growing and I'd actually forgotten, Now,
don't fall out of your chair. I'd actually forgotten that
New Zealand had won the America's Cap. What I'd forgotten
all about it? What yep, there you're off on the floor.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Now on the floor.

Speaker 9 (27:16):
I'd forgotten, you know, in the last couple of years
or whatever, that we'd actually we were the holder of
the America's Cup. It wasn't until I started watching on TV.
I thought, oh, that's right, we won it last time,
and lots of sport. I follow lots of sports, so.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, good on your look and not just once you're
right were the holders at the moment, Well, if you
are all the way back. We won it ninety five
in San Diego, defended it in Auckland in two thousand
and then lost it when Russell Coots came or jumped
across to Willingy. That was three. We won it again
in twenty seventeen in Bermuda, and then defended it last

(27:55):
time in Auckland. So yeah, we've had we had our
hands on it a bit.

Speaker 11 (28:00):
Good.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
The jet us always mate twenty two away from one
more course coming. If you want to jump aboard, we'll
keep the conversation going around the America's Cup. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty back after this.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason
Pine and GJ. Gunner Holmes, new Zealand's most trusted home builder.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
News Talks, News Talks. They'll be nineteen to one talking
America's Cup, Peter says Jason. The yachts you see are real.
The graphics provide a context and help understand where they
are on the course. It's brilliant. Yeah, I thought that's
what it was, Peter. You know, you watch a lot
of yachting these days, and the graphics that are overlaying
on what we're seeing over the actual boats really give
you a hand, don't they in understanding who's ahead? Yeah?

(28:40):
I think the coverage of it on television is magnificent. Hello, Pete, they.

Speaker 12 (28:46):
Got any partier? We're goetting the Mierica's Cup. You know
I'm not watching it. It's to me right off we won.
We should have challenged it here in New Zealand. As
far as I is seeing ground and Dalton, I hope
he stays in Barcelone. He doesn't have to come back
to news Viala or he's that a true new cylinder
ban is if he's had or a hand on his part.
Who are challenged here? And all these people are making
all these excuses there's more money there is that to

(29:08):
a degree they make more money where they are playing it,
but that sometimes you have to let those that side
of it go. It take an esport.

Speaker 13 (29:16):
If you win it, you challenge it. Is that that
the code of ethics.

Speaker 12 (29:20):
And he's where are he's if you don't realize that
he's he's fulling up the Swiss bank account he said
there anything about himself.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, I'm not sure about that last. But Pete, but
I think what you've done is is articulated what a
lot of people feel about this. It's not it's not
without precedent. I must say, thirty three of the thirty
six or is this Yeah, this is the thirty seventh,
doesn't it. Thirty three of the thirty six have been
defended on home water, so this is the third. This

(29:53):
is the fourth that hasn't been So it's not without precedent.
As I said at the top, I think most people
can probably even grudgingly accept why it's been done in
terms of the dollars and cent that needed to run
the campaign. Nothing to do with personal interest. I think
it just costs a lot and so you go where

(30:14):
that money can be recouped. Yeah, it's a I guess
that's why we're talking about it right, because we'd love
to have it here. Hoeki golf, wasn't it not white?
To mutter Harber, this is my lack of knowledge of
the Auckland waterways coming to the form. My apologies for that.
But the last one, do you remember how much hype

(30:35):
there was, how much how much kind of you know,
interest there was, And of course because it was right there,
we went down to the viaduct or people who lived
in that area did to watch the America's Cup. Now
we've got to set the alarm for midnight and get
up and watch it. Thanks for your corpete, Hi Lee.

Speaker 14 (30:52):
Hi Jason, how are you? I'd just like to offer
a few alternative views on what's going on at the moment.
We are a nation of real knockers. The America's Cup
was one here defended here last time, and then co
had happened during it, and so no one really got
the financial rewards they should have done for that cup.

(31:14):
The government ran scared, and now we're in a financial
crisis in this country. Can you imagine what people would
be saying if we had shelled out a couple of
hundred million dollars to defend the cup here.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Oh, I can imagine exactly what they'd be saying late.

Speaker 14 (31:30):
Yeah, exactly, and people have got to just back off
of it. Doltin has done a fantastic job with that team.
He's gone out and got sponsorship for it for everywhere,
and it costs a lot to put it on. Barcelona
stumped up so many million, hundred, you know, probably hundreds
of millions of dollars at the end of the day
because they redid their whole facilities there, They built bases

(31:52):
for them, did the whole lot. We wouldn't have done
that for them. And you've got to understand too that
the competitors by Enios is partner with the Mercedes Formula
One team and Olingi with Red Bull Formula one racing.
So you've got some big boys out there with huge
budgets and you're talking like you are in Formula One.

(32:13):
You're talking seconds here and there per beat to win
this Cup. So we needed the funding and he just
could not get it out of New Zealand. That's the
simple facts of it. And I know a fear bit
about it because we do the hydraulics on Team New Zealand.
We've done it since nineteen ninety five, and we provided
the Holly hydraulic systems for those foil cant systems. The

(32:35):
wings come up for all of the boats, were on
all the challenger boats, and you know, they've got to
reflect on the fact that New Zealanders are quite involved
in those boats still. All the masts are built in
New Zealand for every competitor and team New Zealand, and
there's lots of other stuff that's going on that's feeding
the industry here. So I think people need to back

(32:56):
off of it and just have a bit of a
hard think about it. What would they think now if
this government had skepped up one dred to one hundred
and fifty million dollars in cash, because that was the
one hundred million people keep talking about last time, wasn't cash.
It was goods in kind in terms of some facilities,
and that's with no hard cash to build a boat

(33:17):
or pay the team. So if we were in a
situation now where this government had shelled out one hundred
and fifty million dollars in cash for a boat race,
I'm sure people would be really really hacked off when
they can't get into houses and that sort of in
New Zealand. So I think we need just to chill
out here enjoy it. It's a great spectacle. I don't

(33:37):
know where it's going to go next, but it's going
to be the same sort of money to defend it
again because Link's in for the second for the next round,
and they've got huge pockets and in the offs, I'm
sure they're not going to end it up because it's
a personal thing for the Bricks to get the cut
back again and the Americans are really keen to get
it as well. So there's going to be a lot

(33:58):
of money spent on these boats going forward to the
next challenge. So good luck to send the zem and
they seem to be going all right at the moment,
but as you see a boats shut down because of
electronic failures and that's something. And also American Magic had
a hydraulic ram go at the back of the boat.
I think today it was a ram and stopped. So yeah,

(34:20):
just reflect on the fact that we've got a fantastic boat.
Our boat was built here. Our team is like one
hundred and thirty to one hundred and fifty people. They
built that boat over a whole lot of months. And
also the ac forty boats. We do all the hoses
on those and on the chase, so there's a lot
of money being spent here, don't you worry? And it's

(34:41):
just a pity that maybe maybe there's a changing government,
maybe they will see that it's a great spectacle for
tourism for New Zealand. But it is a boat race
and you've got to ask yourself. People prepared to accept
that it's going to cost, you know, one fifty million
plus to defend it successfully?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Great context, Lee, Thanks for calling mate, I really appreciate you.
Just before you go, what does you got tell you
if you had to call it one while or the other.
Do you ever see it back here?

Speaker 14 (35:08):
I don't think so, because we just went front with
the money, and also we've got to win it, got
to defend it.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I mean.

Speaker 14 (35:23):
We should be hard to beat, but you have to
have a few issues on one or two races and
you know you're you're in trouble. So here's a long
way to go yet, don't you worry. And all those
boats improved all the time. Someone's got a really fast
boat there. They haven't revealed everything, I'm sure, and I
just hope it's our boat, which is the real fast one.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Good man, thanks me, cool mate, really appreciate it. Okay,
oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty own number, Joey, Hi, yeah.

Speaker 15 (35:53):
Get a pointing. Yeah, Pete made a very good point
just then, without a doubt. But I look at it
too this way, Why won't it if you want it,
and it's not going to come back to New zeal
And to disappointment and big times, you know. I mean,
hopefully if we do one at this time, we can
come back here and we can front the money. Because

(36:15):
it's like it's I look at a lot of us.
It's like having a race horse and it wins in
Australia or and wins overseas and you never get to
see it, but it went, but it wins, you know
what I mean, all that, all the all blacks winning,
he never comes, never come back to sen to watch them,
you know, pointing, And it's tough. It's money makes you
will go around and it's the money thing. If we

(36:37):
win it now, if we win it now that they
reckon it could go to sort in Saudi Arabia. So
it's not going to come back to you. So it's lost.
It's it's lost its gloss. That's house.

Speaker 13 (36:47):
I'm concerned.

Speaker 15 (36:48):
I mean, I love Peter Blake and that was fantastic
and Kaysed seven that was brilliant. Mate watching Deven Chris Dixon,
that was incredible. And then you know, and then even
when we when we lost it, we were eight one
ate one up and we lost. You know, that was heartbreaking,
but it was fantastic to watch. And then it come
back to New Zealand and it's an author and I'm

(37:08):
from Orphan, you know, and it was fantastic the viaduct
and now it's gone away, it's lost its cloth. It's yeah, okay,
if we want it, if we want to race it
back in New Zealand, because what if the Yanks want it?
You think they're going to race it somewhere else other
than other than America. I know they're a lot bigger,
but do you think you know, so try to race

(37:30):
it back in New Zealand without it. Otherwise you just
everyone just will complain say, oh they're just yochtis and
getting big money and all that sort of stuff. But
if you bring it back down here and try to
set something up where we have to race it in
here for its next one, that'd be fantastic. That's how
I say it. I mean, what about yourself you said

(37:50):
like that, I.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Mean, Joey, I absolutely sympathize. Well, not something that's wrong.

Speaker 10 (37:55):
Word. I am in.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
A large part in agreement with you. Absolutely. I look
if I think if any of us had the choice
of whether it was raced here or raced off or
we'd all say here. Of course we would because it's
here and we get excited like you. You know, if
we knew, for example, that if Team New Zealand won
it in Barcelona, that Dy'd said, Hey, if we win it,
we're going to defend it in New Zealand's there would

(38:18):
be exponentially more connection with the team. If we knew
they were bringing it back in when twenty twenty seven
or whenever it was for the thirty eighth America's Cup.
If we knew that, we would all be a lot
more connected. The fact that it's been taken off shore
with no guarantee it'll be back is absolutely going to
cause a disconnect. But I marry up that with what

(38:38):
we heard from Lee, the previous caller, in terms of
the realistic nature of the dollars and cents involved, and
you said it yourself. Money makes the world go around.
Be great to get different views as well. Thanks Joey.
Appreciate your call mate nine to one US Talks EB.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
When it's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You made a call on ten eighty Weekends fort with
Jason Pine News Talks MB.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Five and a half to one. You've got the last
word on this Mark You're.

Speaker 16 (39:07):
Good afternoon, Boddy. I'll probably get up at the point
he end to watch it to me America's Cup change
in America board in the catamaran Raesa, Monah, New Zealand.
But I have still got interest in it. But because
I've had a finger in the pie and I've still
got my T shirt. I was on the construction crew

(39:28):
of Kaset five and seven at Martin Marine and Pacrenga
get Out, I have still got Yeah, I have still
got interest. But yeah, I'm still very proud of that,
very very proud.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
But so you should be, Marke.

Speaker 16 (39:46):
And I've still got the T shirt, the plastic fantastic.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
The plastic fantastic. Yeah, I remember, I remember. I think
Cased seven's more famous, probably, but you said Case five
as well.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Was the predecessor. That was the trial boat.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Does the sorry, mart, does the T shirt still fit?

Speaker 4 (40:11):
No, don't be stupid.

Speaker 13 (40:14):
There was KS three, five, and seven. K said three was.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
The very first one.

Speaker 16 (40:18):
Then they did five and then they modified them both
in command made K.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Seven brilliant mark. Thank you, mate, Sorr. I've got to move,
but no appreciate your calls. Well, try and squeeze into it.
It might be good luck once we get to the
America's Cup, actual America's Cup race or America's Cup match
as they call it. Maybe you squeezing into your KZED
five and KZ seven T shirt might be the luck
that we need. It could be your version of the
Red Sox. Karen says, pinety, my husband and I love

(40:45):
the America's Cup. We're not sailors. It's the history and
the fact there are keywis there. Thank you, Karen. There's
something about the America's Cup spectacular, high tech, and we're
pretty good at it. Says this one.

Speaker 17 (40:56):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I think that's about it. We've got time for off,
for which I've got a thousand more text here I
could read out, and there's some really good points being made.
A lot of people have and joyed Lee's call with
his views involved in the hydraulics in the construction of
these boats for a while now, yeah, a good exchange
of views. As always. After one, we'll shift our focus
to drugs in.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
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Speaker 5 (41:25):
It's all on Wee Joe Ford with Jason Vaine on
your home of Sport US Talks.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yes, it is one O seven. Welcome back, all, Welcome in.
This is Weekend Sport on News Talks. B We're here
until three. We being me, Jason Pine and Anna McDonald
show producer. We're in too need in this hour where
this afternoon Otago will host the unbeaten bay of plenty
Steamers in Bunning's NPC action. The curtain raiser to that game,
or the early game, shall we call it, is between

(41:56):
Otago and Tasman and the Fara Palmer Cup Otago twenty nine,
Tasman twenty seven with a sideline conversion for Tasman to
make it twenty nine all with four minutes to go.
We'll keep eyes very closely on that one for you.
In Pottydoor, the mother were two cyclones thirty one to
twelve ahead of the Wellington Pride at just after halftime

(42:17):
in their game, and the Tadanaky Fuel and North Harbor
Hibiscus have just kicked off at Yarrow Stadium. Also this
afternoon in terms of NPC, Wellington gets Monther W two
and Pottydoor a bit later on North Harbor Way Cuttle
at Albany. We'll keep eyes on all of that for you.
James mcconey this hour as well. Out of Scotland. I

(42:37):
think he hasn't come home yet. It's been in Paris
across to the UK. Currently in Edinburgh. I believe a
conversion miss by the way, Otaga twenty nine, Tasman twenty
seven four minutes to go under the roof and Dunedin
there and far apartmer Cup action. But one of the
more interesting stories of this week centered around the world's
number one ranked men's tennis player.

Speaker 13 (42:58):
Oh the Unexcenter is the Cincinnati champion didn't think thanks
to two it is a third Masters Trophy purchase career.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
It was revealed this week that Jarnick Sinner tested positive
twice in March for low levels of the band anabolic
steroid coster bowl, which can be used to build muscle mass. Now,
Sinner was stripped of his prize money and the points
he earned at the Masters tournament in Indian Wells, California,
that's where the positive test took place, but he hasn't

(43:31):
been suspended after an independent tribunal found it wasn't intentional. Now,
Jarickson's defense was that his fitness trainer purchased an over
the counter spray that contained coster bowl, gave it to
the physio to treat a cut on the physio's finger,

(43:51):
and then the physio gave Sinner a massage and in
the process of that, coster bowl found its way into
Jarick Sinner's bloodstreing. Now Yllick Senter has since fired his
physio and his fitness trainer and is free to play
at the US Open Arting next week in New York.
David Helman was directed General of the World Anti Doping
Agency WADA between August two thousand and three and July

(44:15):
twenty sixteen, and he joins us that's the explanation, David,
that it was a spray on the finger of the physio.
The physio then gave Jickson a massage and that's how
this cost. The bowl found his way into ynicks Iner's system.
Does that sound like a feasible explanation.

Speaker 13 (44:32):
Well, it held up in front of a independent tribunal, Jason,
and I think that's the important component. There's no decision
taken by the tennis authorities. It's ready that which has
been handed down by an arbitration panel, and I think
that puts it a little bit to one side. Well,
I think people don't understand is that the procedure followed

(44:53):
in his case was one in relation to a provisional suspension.
So when an athlete test positive for a substance like
cost the bowl, which I referred to as non specified
substances in the World Code, they are told immediately of
the result and informed that they are going to be
provisionally suspended unless they protest that. And he obviously protested it,

(45:18):
not just once but twice and went to a tribunial
immediately and asked for Obviously he got suppression of name
as well, Jason. So that's the process that was followed
and then led to a further investigation of whether what
he was alleging was what's feasible. So there was evidence
given to the tribunal. I think sad again later in

(45:41):
the year and delivered a decision in August that indicated
the explanation he offered was well feasible.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, I think what you've just outlined there that there's
been quite a bit of criticism of that from other
pies actually, that you know, when you test positive, you
should be banned until the hearing is held. In fact,
he went on to win a couple of tournaments, he
became world number one for the first time. Should he
have been suspended into all the verdict.

Speaker 13 (46:06):
Was rich, Well, he would normally have been suspended, and
he protested that Jason, and so they had more than
one hearing. They would have had a hearing in the
first week of March after his first positive test, where
he protested the provisional suspension which would have been automatically applied,
and he won that, and then he had another one

(46:29):
I think it was on the tenth of March, which
he also protested immediately, because the notice that you get
about your positive tests says we're going to suspend you
provisionally unless we hear from you to indicate that you
protest that suspension and it's related to contamination. So that's
what happened. I think at the end, he would have

(46:49):
had three different hearings.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
There's been a suggestion too that the latest hearing which
has cleared him happened quite quickly, fewer than five months
between the positive test and this verdict which has found
him with no fault or nekeli leigence. Would it normally
take longer than that, David.

Speaker 13 (47:10):
Look, that depends on which tribunal you're using. And yes,
there are many cases that take far too long and therefore,
and a lot of those are dealt with by the
Court of Arbitration. For sport, you can wait for a year,
maybe even two years. That's not acceptable. So the body
that he went to, which is the Independent International Tennis Authority,

(47:35):
well it's an integrity agency. In fact, it's an independent
body from International Tennis itself. They will have provoked the
tribunal that they use to hear an urgency and that
would have bought about that result quickly rather than any delay.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
J Reckan, there's any validity in the claims that it's
been expediated because expedoita rather because it's because he's number one.

Speaker 13 (47:59):
Well, you can look all these things, you can sort
of make up. I can say from my experience now
with the World Athletics Integral Unit, we try to get
all our cases done as as possible and within months,
not years. So the aim of bodies which are trying
to do these things in a proper way would be
to get these things organized in front of a tribunal

(48:20):
as quickly as possible, and four or five months is
not sometimes as quick as I would want.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Let's assume that that this is he's telling the truth,
that this is indeed what has happened. Why would a
trainer put a player at.

Speaker 13 (48:32):
Risk like that, Well, that's a good question, and I
haven't and I don't think anybody has read the decision
of the tribunal yet, not of a moast to sort
of start commenting about whether I would believe it or
not believe it. I believe the process is correct, but
we need to see why they decided it. Apparently it

(48:53):
was because he didn't know that the spray he was
using for his cut finger contained the cost of old component. Apparently,
and I'm not saying this is true or not, Jason.
You buy the substance the spray across the counter, and
I guess the trainer didn't look and see what was

(49:13):
on it, and it didn't understand that if he sprayed
his finger and then he massages so that it would
be transferred into his body. So you know, there's all
those sort of factors that you've got to look at,
how they reached the conclusion and whether you and I
and others might accept the conclusion that was reached by
the tribunal.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
So they're basically pleading ignorance. I didn't I didn't know
it had cost of all in it. I didn't know
that massaging center would bring about this result. In your
experience of these things, how often is ignorance real or
otherwise used as a defense.

Speaker 13 (49:48):
Well, it has been used a lot and not accepted
a lot. So you know, you've got some athlete who
have raised it, who have been denied by tribunals. And
I think there's a bit of a trend now for
people to raise contamination as a possibility. Some of this
leads from the recent World decision in relation to the
Chinese swims, and so it's going to be something I

(50:12):
think we confront on a more regular basis. As to
a number one player being receiving any preference, I don't
think that holds too much for us, but I think
the water is put into the substance of it by
the fact that he was able to get pretty good
information from lawyers and experts quickly, and that requires money,

(50:33):
and he probably got more money than some of the
lard great players.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Again, if we assume, you know, for the sake of argument,
that he's telling the truth, there has to be some
sort of structure in place that allows him to go free,
if you like, because if this really has happened, he's
not at fault. He might have been slightly negligent, as
may have been his trainer or messus or whoever it was.

(50:57):
But there has to be some sort of logical process
here to say, Okay, you weren't trying to cheat the system,
You're not trying to gain any advantage here, You're free
to go.

Speaker 13 (51:06):
Yeah, I think the process is there. My concern is
the course that when you publish the result, sometimes the
decision is not published alongside it. And I really think
if you had the decision with all the information relating
to the evidence that was given to the tribunal and
so forth, then the public will be in a better place.
My real concern about what goes on in antidoping nowadays

(51:29):
is there's too much hut in behind decisions and very
few decisions that are actually published, and that leads to
distrust not only of the system by athletes but also
by the public. And my view now, and obviously I've
been around for a while, Jason, but you don't realize
that the public doesn't have as much information as they
would need to form a view, and they should be

(51:51):
given it. Why don't it not just the athletes that
need it?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Why aren't those results automatically published?

Speaker 13 (51:59):
The arbitration process that says you don't publish decisions reached
and arbitration decisions unless both parties agree. Now, one example
of where it hasn't been put out there in the
public is the hall Up case, also a tennis matter,
where she went through quite a long process to get
to the stage of being exonerated, but the decision of

(52:20):
exonerating it who still hasn't been published. It was made
in March.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
A billionth of a gram is what's being reported here?
That doesn't sound like a lot. That's a decimal point.
Then eight zero's before you reach the one. Should the
threshold be a bit higher, David?

Speaker 13 (52:38):
That's not even a pin there, is it? So they've
got to look and say is that warranted, and look
at the reporting levels that are required for certain substances.
The reason that they do go go to minute sort
of levels is because otherwise players can dope, you know,
three months ago, and it's still in their system when

(53:00):
they're tested three months after they've taken it. That doesn't
indicate they only had a little bit. It might indicate
that they have the heck of a lot. It's out
of their system. So you've got to draw a balance,
I suppose, between minute results and the fact that this person,
the athlete, might have been doping for a while and
it's gone mostly out of their system.

Speaker 11 (53:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Good point. And there is a right of appeal here
to war to buy the International Tennis Integrity Agency. Do
you think that'll be exercised?

Speaker 13 (53:29):
Well, I wouldn't want to guess, but they certainly indicated
in the case of a recent American one hundred meter
sprinter that they were going to appeal as soon as
they heard the initial decision, and that has now been
appealed by World Athletics. We haven't heard whether they're going
to do that yet or not. As well as this one,
I think what you have to remember is they need

(53:51):
to get the case file and read all the information
on it, including all the affidavits relating to the people
giving evidence and the decision before they say, Okay, this
is one we're going to have a crack at.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
And as far as johnick Center is concerned, what reception
do you expect him to get? Both from this you know,
all the professionals on the tour who he mixes with,
we can weak out and I guess from crowds as
well at the upcoming US Open and beyond.

Speaker 13 (54:18):
Well, some of it will depends on the views that
people hold, and people have different views for different reasons.
And I'm sure you'll could be confronted by those who
support him and those who probably think that he got
a pretty easy run.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
You can't.

Speaker 13 (54:31):
You can't tell people how to receive things. You've got
to wait and see how they react to the information
they've got. And my concern is they don't have enough.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, that seems to be at the nub of this.
If we were all privy to everything we needed to
know to make a fully formed decision, it might be
slightly less problematic. David, thanks for lending us your expertise
this afternoon. Really interesting stuff.

Speaker 13 (54:52):
Thank you, Jas.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Thanks David David Hellman, the former Director General of WADA.
Of course, I mean there wouldn't be too many people
who know more about this sort of thing than David Helman.
Perhaps predictably, this has led to quite a bit of backlash,
particularly I have to say, from Jnicksoner's fellow tennis professionals,
both on the fact that the process seemed to happen

(55:17):
quite quickly by comparison to others, where some tennis players
have had to wait over a year for their hearings.
And while you can obviously protest your provisional suspension and
be allowed to play on while the evidence has gathered,
and while that you know before you you have the hearing,

(55:38):
this has happened, by comparison to a lot of other
cases which are of a similar nature, pretty quickly five
months between the positive test and the hearing and the verdict.
As I say, it's taken more than twice as long
for other similar cases. Nick Kurrios, who's never short of
a word, has come out quite strongly here. He took

(56:00):
to social media and this was Nick Curios's tweet. If
we can still call it that ridiculous whether it was
accidental or planned. You get tested twice with a band steroid,
you should be gone for two years. Your performance was enhanced,
Masha a massage cream? Yeah, nice, says Nick Curios. Just

(56:22):
I guess the Australian version of year right, the two
we billboard. I don't know that there's any suggestion of
performance enhancement here. One billionth of a gram. And that's like,
It's why I asked David the question about that is
it feels to me as though this is what's happened

(56:43):
A hover above this, and I think it was Okay,
This sounds like a feasible explanation, right, and if it
can be proved through affidaeviords and through evidence and that
sort of thing, that yes, this spray that the guy
who did the massage used on his the cut on
his finger and then massaged Jarnick Sinner and the band

(57:05):
substance found its way into his system. That sounds feasible.
But then as I'm saying it, I think to myself,
it's the kind of thing you'd say if you were
trying to make an excuse. You know, it's not exactly
the dog ate my homework, but it's maybe it is
far fetched.

Speaker 14 (57:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I don't know, Tim says Pinety, I don't care what
you say. Drugs and sport is cheating. No, it's no,
buts he should be banned rules or rules. What's good
for everyone is good for him. Sounds like favoritism to me.
You got to boot him out and set an example.
Drugs or no drugs. He's been found out. He needs
to be punished. Well, it is stright. I mean, it's
not beyond. It's not in dispute that it was found

(57:50):
in his system. It was found in a system. This
cost the bowl. But like I say, if, as I
said to David, if this is what's happened, if he's
unknowingly had this substance transferred into his bloodstream through something
which is no fault of his and with absolutely no
intent to enhance his performance, then there has to be

(58:13):
a method by which he is exonerated. He is, you know,
let off, because he hasn't done anything wrong, has he
He's just asked for a massage. He's fired as mass house.
By the way, his trainer and is his physio. They've
both been given the boot. Be interesting to see the
reception Yarnick Sinner gets at Flushing Meadows when the US

(58:37):
oping gets underway, he's got to be one of the favorites.
He's number one seed.

Speaker 13 (58:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
I think there's a bit of a bit of chat
around the professional tennis fraternity that there is definitely a
double standard at play here because he is who he is.
Let's have a look at the rugby that's going on
at the moment, Manther. We're two forty three twenty four
ahead of Wellington with fifteen minutes to go at Pottido,

(59:02):
a park real points fest playing out there to follow
as the men's equivalent Wellington against Manawatu. What else we
got here in terms of the Farah Palmer Cup, Otago'
beaten Tasman thirty four to twenty seven, and North Harbor
are nineteen nill ahead of Tartanaki with about twenty minutes
gone in their game. Bunning's MPC this afternoon, the game

(59:27):
that we're going to preview shortly as Otago Bay of Plenty.
Bay of Plenty have had a really good start of
the season. They've won three from three. Otago lost their
first game against their southern neighbors, the Stags, but then
bet Auckland last time out, so they must feel like
a pretty good chance of stopping the Steamers in their tracks.
Under the roof and Dneedin this afternoon, Paul Allison's going

(59:47):
to call this one for us on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio.
We'll get his match preview when we come back on
Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Talksb News Talks to Dunedin shortly one twins He ate
a few texts on the Yannick Sinner thing. If it
was Novak would be screaming for his head. If it
was Roger Federer, it would be an understandable mishappen. These
things happen, says Murray. Yeah, that's that's interesting that it's
that the person involved is often a big part of
the story, a big part of the story. If he

(01:00:24):
was positive for crack cocaine, would it be different? I
think so. A banned substance is a banned substance, period
says Nick. And it also reminded me of this. Do
you remember the Mark Nielson case, the Kiwi Mark Neilson
who was banned for two years because it was he
had a banned substance found in his system, and it
was because he was taking a hair loss treatment, an

(01:00:49):
anti balding medication, and he was too embarrassed to bring
it up with his coach and his manager, too embarrassed
to announce it on a drugs declaration because he was
losing his hair in his twenties, so he didn't declare it.
And then it was found that there was a finasta ride,
a common ingredient in male pattern baldness medication, in his system.

(01:01:13):
So I mean he wasn't trying to an ANSWER's performance.
He was trying to keep his hair. I should AC
should use some of that. Don't do it, pony, don't
do it well? Would I be suspended from the radio
show for two years? I don't know. Don't do it.
Here's a man with a full ahead of hair and

(01:01:35):
plenty of words to impart to us around rugby matches.
Paul Allison under the roof in Dunedin for Otago Bay
of plenty five past two on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio.
How are you, Paul?

Speaker 13 (01:01:47):
Can I?

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
Poney?

Speaker 18 (01:01:47):
I don't have to worry about me here getting wet
down here do I under the stadium? It's you don't
have to worry about getting wed anytime.

Speaker 10 (01:01:54):
You No, you're right, You're good, You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yep, you're right. Otago Bay of Penny. This afternoon, I'm
gonna asking about Otago. First of all, they lost to
the Stags first up, but a good one over Auckland
last week. How are they? How will they be feeling
into a game against the unbeaten Steamers.

Speaker 18 (01:02:08):
Well, I certainly would have got some confidence against that
performance against Auckland last week, no doubt about that, because
the week before against Southland though were less than average.
If there was a betting on the tab for it,
they wouldn't have even got the quella. They were so
far off the pace. But they really turned the tables.
And I don't know who talked to them during the week,
whether it was head coach Tom Donnelly or some of
his cohorts, because they really did put on a very

(01:02:29):
very good display last Friday night under the roof against Auckland,
who failed to spark.

Speaker 10 (01:02:34):
I mean they have so far this season, haven't they
none from three?

Speaker 18 (01:02:37):
But I was really impressed with the loose forward trio,
particularly Wolf start up, the young twenty year old number
eight who's had a couple of games. He's had four
for the Hartlanders now and Harry Taylor who's the older
brother of Jack Taylor, who's.

Speaker 10 (01:02:47):
The very promising hooker from down in Southland.

Speaker 18 (01:02:50):
And Olie Hague and they got the better of Anton
Segna and Akira Yuani and the like last week, I thought,
and that was a key aspect of the game. They'll
have to do well against today against Bay Have Plenty,
because you know, Nicora brought in Joe Johnson and Jacob
Norris and o slugs there in the loose Ford trio.
But for me this afternoon, I'm really looking forward to
seeing some pace out wide from the Bay of Plenty

(01:03:11):
back three Cole's Forbes, Leroy Carter and Cody Vay. Now
these guys have got pace to burn. Leroy Carter, it
was he the World seven's rugby player of the Year.
I think Cole Forbes is just an absolute out and
out flyer as well. And then Cody Vai on the
on the left wing, former Cambridge Saint Peter's student, so

(01:03:32):
he's they've got some real pace there.

Speaker 10 (01:03:35):
And then a Mony Narawa inside them.

Speaker 18 (01:03:38):
It really shows you how good they are if they
can get some decent ball but otarget. They would have
got a lot of confidence last week against that win
against Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Can I ask you about Finn Hurley. I saw him
play for the Highlanders against the Hurricanes and Wellington during
the Super Rugby season. He started at fullback. He had
a few games off the bench as well. How long
have you been aware of Finn Hurley and and what
can you tell us about him?

Speaker 18 (01:03:57):
He's he's out of Gore, came to a Tigo boys
high school. He is like a little rubber ball. I've
seen him stripped in the changing sheds and he's just
full of muscles, much of him. He's eighty kg's ringing
where one point seven meters tour, which is about five
foot six, So he's tiny in terms of stature. He's
huge in heart and he's sort of like a Damien mackenzie,
not just in terms of stature and the way that

(01:04:18):
he plays, but also the fact that he can go
into contact and then bounce out of it and doesn't
seem to be injury prone at all. He had five
games for the Hardld has now wonut last year down
on Nimber Cargo against the Rebels when he made his debut.

Speaker 10 (01:04:31):
But he's been around for a little while.

Speaker 18 (01:04:32):
He's kicked a winning goal for his club team in
the championship and he also has done that I think
for a school team at Otago Boys, So he's been
on the radar for some time. He's an absolute superstar
in the making. And he can play basically ten or
fifteen as many of these players in today's modern era can.
So Yeah, he's someone to look out for and he's
got a huge future in front of him. Let's hoy

(01:04:53):
he can stay injury free and get the nice pathway
that he needs and DJ.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
And I was really impressed with him and I hope
to see a lot more often early. What is the
state of Otago rugby at the moment?

Speaker 14 (01:05:02):
Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I look back to last season and missed the playoffs.
I think similar the season before when it was a
two conference sort of a system. The evens and the
odds seem to change this every year day. We what
is the current state of Otago Provincial rugby.

Speaker 10 (01:05:16):
Well, they've underperformed for the last two years.

Speaker 18 (01:05:18):
Eleventh out of fourteen would probably get them about a
D on a schoolcard score report and they need to
be better than that. You look at the top eight
this year at the moment on the table, seven of
them made the finals last year and Southland have made
their way into that at the moment in place of Auckland.
So at the moment the table still looks very much

(01:05:38):
like it did last year. Otago need a win today,
that'll give them a lot of confidence. It doesn't get
easier for them because then they've got Taranaki away which
is the champion all the premiership winners last year. Then
they've got Canterbury at home and then four days later Wellington,
so that'll be the determining factor. We'll know in the
next two weeks whether or not Otago are serious contenders
of getting into that top eight or not. I'd like

(01:05:59):
to think they should when you look at the number
of Super rugby players they've got in their side. They've
got a bloke called Hudson Crichton who's been sort of
roped in to play on the wing. He's come across
from Australia. It's wearing the number eleven jersey. This afternoon
he's had one game for the Reds and he's had
fifteen games for the Brumbies and played for Australia A
because there's no Joan and Ariki.

Speaker 10 (01:06:17):
But you look at the rest of the back.

Speaker 18 (01:06:19):
Line, they've all pretty much played super rugby and so
you look at that and then you go back through
that forward pack. I think there's something like nineteen or
twenty players and that Otago provincial side that have got
super rugby experience. Now that needs to translate into a
better performance than what we've been seeing in the Bunnings MPC.

Speaker 10 (01:06:35):
In the last couple of seasons.

Speaker 18 (01:06:37):
Is this the year we'll have to wait and see
Christian le low Willy back on the bench. That'll be
a big plus today for them because he's co captain
with Sam Gilbert. But if you look at the last
couple of years yet underperformers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
And cam muller, is he driving them around? Okay, Yeah,
he's good.

Speaker 18 (01:06:52):
He's a traditional first five. He's one that basically all
looked for field position. Tactically, he's good. He's got a
good boot on him sound defensively, He's not a flashy
sort of guy that will run a lot with the ball,
but he will actually steer them around the Park again,
still only twenty two years of age, big future in
front of him, playing his eight enth game this afternoon.
He's had twelve games for the Highlanders and I think

(01:07:13):
he's almost secured that starting position for the Heartlanders now
as their top number ten with in terms of where
they are going into the future. So he's a player
like Finn Hurley that I think we'll see a lot
more of at certainly at super level in the future
in the next couple of years in the Deep South.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Good man, Paul, great to get your preview. Thanks for
joining us. Stay dry. That's a silly thing to say
under the roof, away.

Speaker 10 (01:07:36):
From those here enhancing steroids when you find it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Well, thanks Paul.

Speaker 10 (01:07:41):
Although you won't fail, you won't fail a drug test.
You'll be fine.

Speaker 18 (01:07:45):
X and Yenix s well he's I mean, he's getting
a bit of flat from Curios, but I think he's
I think Sinner might have stolen Curios's girlfriend, so that
might be why he's come out loud and clear at
the moment with his criticism.

Speaker 10 (01:07:57):
Will wait and see.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Thanks Paul. Good stuff. Good insight there, Yeah, good insight. Look,
I promise you I won't test positive for any any
hair enhancing drug. Gave up that ghost a long time ago.
Paul Allison has the call for you of Otago Bay
of plenty. Pretty intriguing match this afternoon at Forsyth Bar Stadium,
Dunedin five pass two. You can hear that on Gold
Sport and iHeartRadio. This is round three of the Bunnings

(01:08:19):
MPC across the weekend. Just to recap on the results
this weekend Ranfieldy Shield Challenge Friday night, Hawks Bay beating
Northland fifty five thirty Tasman thumping Counties Manico forty eight three.
Yesterday Canterbury twenty seven, Auckland twenty one at Eden Park.
That is three straight defeats for Auckland. Now Tadanaki too
good for Southland last night winning thirty nine to twenty four.
So Tago Bay of Pinny this afternoon d'needing five pass

(01:08:42):
two with Paul Allison on the call. Wellington hosting one
of War two in Pottydour at the same time and
then later on North Harbor against Whitecuttor at Albany. That
is a four to thirty five kickoff to wrap round
three of the Bunnings NPC twenty three away from two
let's take a break and then head offshore all the
way to Scotland. That's where James mcconey is. He joins

(01:09:03):
us in his regular Sunday slot right after.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
This don't get caught offside weekends for Us with Jason
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Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
MB coming up nineteen away from two. A big part
of our Sundays is our regular catch up with James
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always entertaining. He's been away for a while, has James,
but he has stayed committed, firmly committed, fully committed to

(01:09:37):
the radio slot. He joins us. Now, where exactly do
we find you? James.

Speaker 11 (01:09:42):
I'm in Edinburgh, Piney.

Speaker 19 (01:09:44):
I'm here for the Comedy Festival, trying a few, you know,
a few sets type five.

Speaker 11 (01:09:51):
As they say up on stage. No I'm not.

Speaker 19 (01:09:54):
I'm just having a look at some of the acts
around the place.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
I was actually as you were saying that, I was thinking, man,
that's impressive. But yeah, well it's also impressive to watch
the these great comedians as well. You'll pick up pleady,
have material, no doubt, lots of materiality you can bring
to our listeners on a regular basis over the next
little while.

Speaker 19 (01:10:16):
Look, before we carry on, I was going to say,
there was a guy last night who apparently eats two
pounds of cheese per show. But as doctor said, you've
got to mix it up, and instead he eats two
iceberg lettuces in his comedy show. So I might try
and catch him tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
All right, Well, I'll look forward to your review of
that particular show. Let's talk about let's talk of it
a sport. While you're here. You would have from afar.
I'm sure caught the news of Leon McDonald's departure as
All Black Sisters and coach. We had a lot of
chat about this on the show yesterday. What did you
make of it all? And you know where you're thinking
at around what's played out here.

Speaker 19 (01:10:53):
Look, I think it's it was good to rip off
the band aid. You know, if things aren't working, if
there's a different philosophy, then you might as well call
it early. It just seems a bit like me when
they assembled that team, you know, his team of Avengers
or whatever you want to call them. You know the
of coaches last year that it might have been quite

(01:11:16):
hasty to, you know, to get certain people who wouldn't
have necessarily been on the same page or or maybe
even the first choice, because surely that would have been
one of the things that you would have that you
would have ironed out before before forming your little consortium.

Speaker 11 (01:11:34):
But look, I think I think Leon will be able to.

Speaker 19 (01:11:39):
Go and coach somewhere and make a name for himself again.
And I mean, look, let's just be honest. The international
coaching scene is so tough. I think Dave Reni is
probably one of the best coaches in the world. He
doesn't have a gig, really, you know, an international gig.
And and if you're brutally honest, I think the guy
that Rays always wanted was Tony Brown, and he is

(01:12:02):
the closest to Wayne the professor proper genius, be talent.

Speaker 11 (01:12:07):
And of course he's now with South Africa. So you know, maybe.

Speaker 19 (01:12:10):
It's that that feeling that they didn't have the innovation
that a Tony Brown type person was gonna was going.

Speaker 11 (01:12:18):
To give them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, well we're about to find out about that innovation
in a Springbok sense a week from now, when they
clash in Jobu, that'll be an absolutely titanic clash. Also
departing well almost as Sewn Johnson his final home game
at the at the freshly renamed Shawn Johnson Stadium the
other night, how do you assess his impact on the

(01:12:39):
Warriors and on and on the sport of rugby league.

Speaker 19 (01:12:42):
Here, it's two parts of the career For me. I
think he's one of the greats for sure. I think
that he the first half of his career, he was
just so electric. It was probably the greatest highlights reel
of any rugby league talent or halfback in history.

Speaker 11 (01:13:00):
Really.

Speaker 19 (01:13:01):
I think back to that winning try against Great Britain
in the World Cup and that was just in the
semi final, just a clutch play, just electric on his feet.
And there's so many tries like that early on. And
it's a bit of a shame when he made his
Grand Final. The entire Worries team just didn't have it,
you know, And I feel like he was good enough

(01:13:22):
to or deserve to win a Grand Final. And the
second half of his career really is the you know,
maturing into this great game manager and you know, a
general of sorts. But look, I think we should just
remember him as being brilliant. I mean, that's that's.

Speaker 11 (01:13:38):
What he was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Yep, exactly right. Yeah, paid tribute to him yesterday on
the show, And yeah, I'll remember the Shawn Johnson of
twenty twenty three. I know he was brilliant in the
early part of his career, as you've mentioned back in
twenty eleven as well. But yeah, I just thought that
the Shawn Johnson of twenty twenty three was something that
I'll definitely remember about. What about the next Warriors star
have you seen? Have you seen enough this season to

(01:14:00):
suggest that there are fresh players coming through who might
you might step up and id it may not become
the impact player that Shawn Johnson is, but certainly make
an impact.

Speaker 11 (01:14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:14:11):
I think I think Luke Metcalf coming back from injury
should give us something to, you know, to sort of
shout about. I think that he's probably a guy that
they missed. He is electric as well with his pace,
he's a he's a talker and organizer, and I think
he can play either six or seven for the Warriors.

(01:14:31):
But the one guy who I think would provide some
X factor as Lequa Halissima, who's.

Speaker 11 (01:14:37):
The you know.

Speaker 19 (01:14:38):
Can you remember he made his debut in July and
as a teenager against the Bulldogs, had this incredible run.
He was supposed to play in the forwards, ended up
at center and was just absolutely incredible.

Speaker 11 (01:14:50):
So he's.

Speaker 19 (01:14:54):
A tongue player, has come over to New Zealand, played
in South Auckland. Just when if you can google him
or YouTube and it's worth having a look. Just one
of the most talents. And I think if he got
a full season at the Warriors next year, because I
feel like they do need a full reset, and I
think if you've got a full season at the Warriors

(01:15:14):
next year, he might just be the best player and
the team.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
All right, we'll keep an eye for him. What about
in the fifteens game before we just circle back to rugby,
who's our next rising star, our next star all Black?

Speaker 11 (01:15:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:15:27):
I was looking at that team, going, yeah, there's a
lot of established all blacks, right, the team that's going away.
We've got the World rugby player of the year, We've
got you know, Boden Barrett, who's been outstanding for ages,
riquoe Yowani, all the talent in the world, you know.
But then I was thinking that there is room. I
think in New Zealand rugby for someone to come through.

(01:15:49):
And my feeling is I'm going to take a punt
on shay Fi hockey. I think he's going to have
a breakout season next year. He was incredible for the
Barbarians against Fiji up here in the Northern Hemisphere not
so long ago. And I mean he's a six foot four,

(01:16:09):
gliding running fullback, wings center. Put him where you want,
he'll break the game open. And I think he's had
to be a mix and match guy for the Crusaders.
The only issue is, of course Will Jordan will probably
want to play fullback next year.

Speaker 11 (01:16:24):
So where the shade go I don't know, but they've
locked him until twenty twenty six. But I think he's
the guy to look out for.

Speaker 19 (01:16:32):
And my other too, I think Noah Hotham and Harry
Godfrey could do something. Maybe Harry Godfrey moving to ten
where he played when he was at high school. That's
the Hurricanes reserve fullback. You would have seen him pony yep.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 17 (01:16:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
It was hard for him to get a game, as
you say, because Ruben Love was at fullback and Brett
Cameron at first five played a bit on the wing.
But yeah, he's got a bit about him. In fact,
he's not unlike Rubin Love. I was really impressed with
Harry Godfrey.

Speaker 11 (01:17:01):
Yeah, so he just needs that chance. I think this
is the whole thing.

Speaker 19 (01:17:03):
It's really hard to sort of get a gig when
you want to play first five and fallback.

Speaker 11 (01:17:09):
I mean, you know, you just have to.

Speaker 19 (01:17:12):
Those players are pretty locked in at every franchise. If
you if you're trying to get a get a run,
they've chosen their person, they're going to stick with them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Absolutely. Well, we'll keep an eye out for Harry Godfrey,
for Schaeffe, Hackey, Naah Hote. I think we all agree
it is going to be something pretty special in a
very exciting time for New Zealand half backs. Just before
you go on your side of the world. Actually, Lydia
Coe playing in the Women's British Golf Open. She is
in a tie for fourth, just three shots off the

(01:17:41):
lead with one round to go. I don't think she's
won this tournament. She could win this tournament, surely.

Speaker 19 (01:17:46):
Yeah, three shots off. All the pressure's taken off as
she's the Olympic champion. Everybody ahead of her, including the
elite quarter will be looking and thinking, oh, no, Leeds.

Speaker 11 (01:17:57):
Is there, and that's that's how good it has been.

Speaker 19 (01:18:00):
You know, the reigning Olympic champion and someone who's won
majors before.

Speaker 11 (01:18:05):
So yeah, I think it's worth keeping an eye on tomorrow,
is it? Yes, tomorrow, so for you in the wee hours.

Speaker 19 (01:18:15):
Yeah, but Olilia, it's amazing really because she's a Hall
of Famer now. She's talked about wanting to retire young
and and have kids and you know, start a family
and not play golf forever.

Speaker 11 (01:18:28):
So that's what we're waiting for next, isn't it. When
is Lydia going to make that call?

Speaker 19 (01:18:32):
And yeah, but it's just a pleasure to see her
playing so well and just one of New Zealand's great
sporting ambassadors. You know, you just see her going around
the world representing New Zealand and it's really awesome because
you know, going into the Olympics she was not in

(01:18:54):
exceptional form by her standards and hasn't been for some years.

Speaker 11 (01:18:58):
But man, that take that pressure off and she can
do anything.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Absolutely, loving Lyda coach. She said the other day she's
in the back nine of her career. So that was
a very nice golf analogy for her to use. All right, James,
will you go get some sleep. I look forward to
hearing your review of the lettuce eating, cheese chomping Comedian.
And we'll catch up with you again around about the
same time next Sunday.

Speaker 11 (01:19:23):
All right, see your piney okay the news.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Indeed, thanks James. James mcconey, big part of our Sundays
coming to your life from Edinburgh today. He's back at
around about the same time next Sunday. Don't know where
he'll be. It doesn't seem like he's coming home in
any particular hurry. And why would you Edinburgh Comedy Festival,
fantastic nine to two News talks. He'd be back after this.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
The scoop from the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Track, Fields and the Court on your home of Sport
Weekend Sport with Jason Vine Us talks inb.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Well Al We stix away from two after two o'clock.
A real mixed bag for you. We couldn't get to
Bob McMurray when we were initially going to talk about
Liam Lawson. You might have heard this new during the
week from Red Ball advisor Helmet Marco saying that Liam
Lawson will I think it might have been lost in translation,

(01:20:16):
but Helmet Marco basically said Liam Lawson will get a
full time Formula One seat next year, either as part
of the main Red Bull team or the sister outfit RB.
Of course, Liam Lawson's been acting as a reserve driver
for both teams this year. He got a wee bit
of a go last year. You'll remember when Daniel Ricardo,
do you do break his wrist? Wasn't it break his
wrist or something? And Liam Lawson got in the car

(01:20:39):
raced a few Formula one racism was really impressive. He's
had to be pretty patient in the time since, particularly
this year, but by the sounds of it, there might
be a light at the end of that tunnel. Bob
McMurray with his views on that. After two o'clock, we'll
also get you to Paris where the Paralympics are now
only days away. The opening ceremonies on Thursday morning before

(01:20:59):
competition gets under way, and for the first time in
forty years, we will have a female shooter at the
Paralympic Games, and for the first time ever, a female
in the air pistol. Her name is Neilam O'Neill and
she's just a delight from what I can gather. She's

(01:21:20):
going to join us after two o'clock as well to
have a chat about her upcoming Paralympic campaign. And Lydia
Coe is well placed heading into the final round of
the Women's Open Championship at Saint Andrews. I wanted to
pass seventy one in her third round. She's four under
for the tournament, just three shots behind the leader, and
well obviously with the golden glow of the Olympic gold medal. Still,

(01:21:44):
I'm sure very prominent for her. Who knows, maybe she
could win the Open Championship. She hasn't won a major
Lydia Cooe for a long time, long long time, and
in fact, I don't think she's had a top twenty
finish for the best part of eighteen months. She was
asked about that actually in the pre tournament press conference,
and I don't think she took offence to it necessarily,
but she said, look, there's other players around her, a
pretty good we having won a major for a while.

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Rory McElroy, I think, was probably one of the ones
she mentioned. In terms of live sport at the moment
are three straight wins for Manawa two to start their
Farah Partmer Cup campaign and women's rugby the cruise to
a fifty five twenty four one over the Wellington Pride
and Pottydoer Otago have beaten Tasman in Dunedin Otago against
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Waight and Wellington Munaware two in around half an hour
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Welcome back into Chose six and it's two six Jason
Pine and Andy McDonald with you till freed. Then Tim
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our Paralympian Neilam O'Neill standing by the chat to us
parachuter and our first female parachuter for forty years. Bob
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and Phil tarthod Angi looking at the prospects for Olivia
CoA win the Women's Open Championship at Saint Andrews. You're
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MB ten past two. The Paralympics are fast approaching and
paraschuoter Nelam O'Neill will compete in the R three Mixed
ten meter air Rifle prone sh one and the P
two Women's ten meter Air Pistol sh one. Neilim O'Neill
will become the first female Kiwi shooter to compete at
a Paralympic Games in four decades and the first woman

(01:26:49):
ever to represent New Zealand in the air pistol at
a Paralympic Games. Neilam O'Neill is with us. How are
the emotions, neiliams you as you get ready for your
very first Paralympics.

Speaker 24 (01:27:02):
To be honest, I'm feeling fairly calm, which is a
bit scary because normally even for competitions like World Cups
or Championships. I'm excited. I'm like, yeah, let's keep going.
And I just feel this overwhelming calmness and I think
it's a good thing. Actually, I think I'm just you know,

(01:27:24):
we're a little bit we've got a little bit of
time before our competitions as well, and I think I'm
just building. I think I'm taking it day by day
and I'm excited. Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited,
but I've got this calmness about it, and I'm enjoying it.
I'm enjoying being embracing everything around me right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
That's amazing. I mean, you sound surprised at how calm
you are, right, Why do you think you're feeling so
serene I head of the biggest competition of your life.

Speaker 24 (01:27:55):
Yeah, I think I'm surprised because normally, when I go
into a competition, you know, I'm getting up and fired
up and I just want to do well, and I'm
really excited. I feel like I'm a little kid jumping
up and down in a candy store when I go
to competitions. But I think this time, because it's the Paralympics,
I've worked so hard for so long to get here,

(01:28:16):
and I think it's just still unreal. I can't believe
that I'm actually here. I can't believe that I'm finally
fulfilling my dream. And in the funny way, I think
all the training, all everything I've worked towards, I think
it's all just kept me really calm and going, Hey, look,
we've worked, we've worked hard, we've done the work, We've

(01:28:37):
dedicated our time to this. Now it's time to get
behind it and simmer down and do the job.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
How long has this been a goal for you?

Speaker 24 (01:28:47):
Oh, don't ask me that. It's been an ongoing dream
for so long. I think my first proper memory of going, hey,
maybe I could go to the Games was end of
two thousand and fourteen when I went to my first

(01:29:08):
overseas competition, which was an Australian Grand Prix. I ended
up third in my rifle because at the time I
was only doing rifle, and I was just so surprised
at my results and I was like, hey, maybe maybe
I could do this, And yeah, just been working away
at it and chipping at this massive rock that I

(01:29:30):
never thought I could break through, and now that it's here,
I'm like, oh, no, what to do now? But nah,
I think because I've dedicated so much time, so much effort,
and all the hard work over the years I've put in,
and at the end of the day, actually, I just
love what we do. I love shooting. I love being

(01:29:51):
able to aim at something and hit it so accurately.

Speaker 25 (01:29:54):
And yeah, that.

Speaker 24 (01:29:56):
Massive boulder just got smaller and smaller. And now we're
here and to do what I love on international stage.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Oh that's so cool. Take us back the into twenty fourteen.
So yeah, you started thinking about what might be possible.
I guess Rio twenty sixteen was probably a bit close,
only a couple of years away. But what about Tokyo
Nela Was that ever a goal or was it always
Paris that felt the one or felt like the one
you'd be aiming for.

Speaker 24 (01:30:21):
No, Tokyo definitely was the first one I was aimed for.
Rio was a bit too close for comfort, and funny enough,
I was actually, I think only zero point two of
a point off from winning a quota for New Zealand
for Rio at the World Cup in Australia in twenty fifteen,

(01:30:42):
which was my first World Cup. At the time, I
didn't realize how important I guess that was. I kind
of say, ah, yeah, not working towards Rio, it's fine,
but Tokyo, Tokyo. I knuckled down and did the work,
even though COVID came around and you know, put everybody
on hold as well, which didn't help actually with us,

(01:31:07):
because we need to go overseas to compete and at
the time, as well, being a self fun athlete, it
cost quite a lot to take the gear, an extra
support person as well to help me with my gear,
and getting all that together was just not so easy
back then as well. And then yeah, I guess because

(01:31:30):
of COVID, couldn't go to the World Cup, and then
had to try and do home trials to see if
we could get through selection that way. And unfortunately I
had everything ticked off except for the quota, so I couldn't.
I couldn't go to Tokyo, and almost it almost smashed

(01:31:50):
my dreams of going to a Paralympic Games in the
sense that it was just so devastating not being like,
you know, putting all that work in and not getting
to that point where we're like, yes, I've done it.
But luckily, I say luckily, Unfortunately, because we went into
the COVID lockdown again in twenty twenty one, I think
it was August. It was around the same time that

(01:32:13):
the games were on. So I went home and was like, Okay,
I'm gonna go back to Kanaday. I'm gonna have some
chill time. I'm gonna put my guns down, and I'm
just going to focus on work, study and family time.
And that was the best thing for me because I
was able to watch the games chair my friends on
and seven months later I was back at the range

(01:32:37):
shooting and doing what I love and remembering my why.
And I think this cycle has been really great in
the sense that I've learned from Tokyo and I've gone, Okay,
it is what it is, it's like, but the dream
is still alive, dream is still raw, and we've just
got to chip at this boulder and see how we
can go. And managed to do the same thing. I

(01:33:00):
was in the same boat this time round as well,
except I had done better in my performances, had traveled
a little bit more as well, and yeah, did the job.
But now I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
So it's always been the rifle, but you've added the
pistol also to your repertoire. You'll compete in both events
at the Paralympics. How did you come to add the
pistol to your repertoire? What was that in twenty nineteen?

Speaker 14 (01:33:27):
Yeah, so I.

Speaker 24 (01:33:28):
Actually technically, I said, technically added it in twenty and seventeen.
The reason being is I've got rheumatoid arthritis in my
right elbow and around that time I was struggling to shoot.
I was really struggling to shoot because with rifle I
lean on table with both elbows, and because I couldn't

(01:33:50):
lean on it every time well actually every time i'd
lean on my elbow, I just couldn't. It was just
so painful and moving it around was changing my position,
and admittedly I got a little bit scared. I was
a little bit scared. I had to give my dream up.
And so I looked at it and went, actually, hang on,
I've got this mantra in my head that I can

(01:34:12):
shoot anything. So let's try and see what pistal can do.
And so I picked up pistole, had a chat to
my coach, Ricky Zell, and say, hey, can you coach
me on pistol and let's see how that goes, and
funny enough, wasn't taking it seriously because obviously rifle was
the baby, And I was like, yep, first call.

Speaker 17 (01:34:34):
I took the.

Speaker 24 (01:34:35):
Pistle to my World Cup in Thailand in twenty seventeen,
first ever competition for pistol. Not the smartest idea, but
I was like, hey, why not? And I ended up
qualifying for the World Championships for two thousand and eighteen,
and I was like, oh wow, like what how did
this happen? But unfortunately I couldn't go because then I

(01:34:57):
ended up having elbow surgery the following year and so
couldn't complete the championships bar and saying that it was
a blessing in disguy because I was able to shoot rifle,
and so then both of them just played a part.
And yeah, I just I can't pick. I can't pick
which one's better because both of them are just as good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Well, you mentioned that mentra there of shooting your shots?
Is that the same across the two? It feels like
shooting a pistol and shooting a rifle are quite different.
But are there similarities things that apply to both?

Speaker 24 (01:35:32):
Yeah, so I guess the way that I look at
a rifle and pistol for anybody that plays instruments, musical instruments,
it's kind of like say playing a piano versus playing guitar.
So you know everything is like how to play is different, right,
the physicality of how to play is different, but you're

(01:35:53):
reading the same music. So because you're reading the same music,
you know, the mental skills are the same. Your process
is pretty similar as well. It's just the mechanics I
guess that are slightly different. And like triggering as well.
Everything's the same. So because I have got a slightly
musical background, it works better for my head as well.

(01:36:15):
And I think also because I'm pretty unique in the
sense that half of me is pistol half of men's rifle.
So I shoot left handed pistol and right handed rifle,
and so most people shoot half I guess, as in
like they do right side left side. I say I'm
a full shooter because technically I am. I do rifle

(01:36:36):
and pistol as a whole, and that makes me a
whole person.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Well, what a great analogy too with the with the
music that gives us a great, great understanding of it.
You coached in the Air Rifle by Michael Johnson. He's
there in Paris about to compete at his sixth Paralympics. Incredible.
Tell us about his influence on you.

Speaker 24 (01:36:55):
Mike's been like one of my biggest supporters from way
way way back. He was the first one to actually
coach me, and I say coach because of my At
the time, I didn't think it was coaching. It was
more showing me air rifle back in twenty eleven at
the Otarraspinal unit. And then when we got our range

(01:37:17):
in twenty twelve, Mike started coaching me a little bit
more and regularly.

Speaker 14 (01:37:22):
And yeah, he.

Speaker 24 (01:37:24):
Showed me rifle. I stuck with rifle. And you know,
it's very very special that I get to be here
to witness the six Paralympic Games. But also, you know,
one of my dreams was to be able to go
to a games while he's competing as well. And it's
just a phenomenal time really, Like it's just incredible that

(01:37:45):
I get to share this experience with him and he
can share it with me and see all the work
that he's done to get me to this point as well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
And you're breaking new ground yourself, Neila. You know, as
I said before, the first female key we shooter at
a Paralympics and forty years first woman ever to represent
US in pistol at a Paralympic. You're blazing a trail.
How motivated are you to do that to inspire others,
especially young females, to get involved in parachuting.

Speaker 24 (01:38:15):
Yeah, so I love that I could smash some of
those barriers that have been in place, especially since you know,
forty years is a long time since having a female shooter,
and you know, it's it was back in the day
seen as a masculine sport and now I think there's
more equality coming through as well with shooting. And I

(01:38:38):
think just seeing females getting into sport, regardless whether it's
shooting or not. Like obviously I am biased and I'd
love to see more shooters in New Zealand come through,
But just getting females in sports is a big, a
big drive, Like it just provides so many good things,
good elements for a person, not just the sport itself,
but you know, helps somebody to grow and develop it

(01:39:00):
as a person, and you know, just find so many
good vibes, good things into into life. So yeah, just
helping everybody to get to that point is awesome. And
being a trailblazer. I don't really see myself as a trailblazer.
I was like, I'm just needlam, like, I just do
what I do, and yeah, but it's it's good that,

(01:39:24):
you know. I think seeing someone who is colored with
the disability and female, that's a rare combination. And I
think that that it's making a huge impact in itself
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
It certainly is. It certainly is. I'd call you a trailblazer, Neilam.
It's been such a delight to chat to you. Thank
you so much for joining us. All the best in
the next couple of weeks in Paris. I can't wait
to see what happens in the next couple of weeks
for you. Thanks so much for your time, col thanks
for having me, Thanks for joining us, Neil Neilam, O'Neill
there from I think Auckland. Yeah, Auckland. I think I

(01:40:00):
could be wrong, though I probably shouldn't say that just
in case she's not. But she's certainly a part of
our Paralympics team and the first female Kiwi shooter to
compete at a Paralympic Games in forty years. Looking forward
to getting the Paralympics underway. On Thursday two twenty four
Otago seven Bay of twenty seven after nineteen minutes of
their Bunning's MPC match under the roof in Dunedin, Wellington

(01:40:22):
and monter Or two will get underway in Pottydoer in
around ten minutes time. When we come back to Motorsport,
we go and this set of comments during the week
about Liam Lawson potentially getting a full time Formula One
drive next year, either with Red Bull or their sister
team RB. Bob McMurray knows more about these things than
most of us. What does he read into it? Is

(01:40:45):
this a cast iron guarantee that Liam Lawson will get
a full time seat. We'll find out at the moment,
Bob McMurray.

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Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Dogs V Coming up to twenty eight. Liam Lawson could
have a full time drive in Formula One next year.
Red Bull advisor Helmet Marco said this week he'll either
be a part of the main team next year or
the sister outfit RB. Now Liam Lawson's been acting as
a reserve driver for both teams this year. In an
interview with an Austrian newspaper, Helmet Marco said there'll be

(01:41:24):
a decision next month and Lawson will definitely be in
one of their cars next year. It's the most definitive
confirmation yet that Lawson will be activated as a full
time driver. Reports are suggesting too, he has an exit
clause from Red Bull Racing that he can use if
he doesn't get a full time F one drive next year.

(01:41:45):
Motor racing expert Bob McMurray is with us. Bob, are
these comments from Helmet Marco a cast iron guarantee of
a full time drive for Liam Lawson in Formula one
next year?

Speaker 17 (01:41:56):
No, in a word, that comment or those comments by
Marco have been superseded, we could say, by the the
other part of the boss of Red Bull, Christian Horner,
who said I asked Humbert about it all and he
said Liam will have a seat in Formula one. He
didn't say it would be in a Red Bull car.

(01:42:17):
He didn't say where it would be. In fact, so
Christian Horner who is now saying, but it could be
somewhere else there's nothing set in stone. Well, if you
go somewhere else, you haven't got too many options, have you. Mercedes,
Well they've already got this young Antonelli kid signed up.
We think pretty certain of that. So that's that done.
The only other place really apart from the Red Bull

(01:42:39):
or the RB setup, and I'll come to that in
a minute, is Audi. Now there's been well rumored that Audi,
which is currently the lowest team, in fact that Adams
Scadny points at all this year lowest ranking team on
the ladder. They have been courting that. We believe Liam
Lawson somehow or other for some time, but of course

(01:43:00):
Red Bull in the form of Horna or Marco, have
been holding him back from doing anything because he has
a contry, as you say, until the end of this year,
and if they don't give him a drive of some
sort by the end of September then he's free to leave.
So they may be, I don't know, just dancing around
the maypole here with him, and I think they're being

(01:43:21):
exceptionally unfair and exceptionally cruel to somebody who career will
be ruined if he doesn't get a drive somewhere next year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Yeah, that was My gut reaction to Bob was that
this doesn't seem very fair on Liam Lawson. He's been
given half promises and I guess you know, had you know,
conversations with I'm sure a lot of people about what
his future might hold. But he needs, he needs the
proof in that pudding. If he were to take a
seat with Red Bull, whose seat would he take?

Speaker 17 (01:43:53):
Well, once again, they're being very cagy on what they've got.
The only person that does not have a contract between
the RB team which is Visa whatever they call it,
and the Red Bull team, which is Rastapan's team, the
only person that doesn't actually have a contract for next
year is Daniel Ricardo. Now, he hasn't covered himself in
any glory this season, not all. He in fact today

(01:44:17):
or last night, he qualified well below his teammate Yuki Sonoda,
and that's the first thing he has to do, keep
out qualifying him hasn't done that. Ricardo is not going anywhere.
The only place he can go is to stay in
the RB team. The other person, of course, that's in
the Red Bulls set up is Perez. He is constantly
being threatened or you could say, with losing his seat

(01:44:42):
because he's not performing as well as he should. He
does have a contract for next year, but Red Bull
and contracts, you can just you know, then there's less
than toilet paper. In fact, the other person, interestingly that
may leave is for Stappan himself. The rumors still persist
that for Stappen is being courted for Mercedes. Now I

(01:45:07):
can't see that happening for next year, but those rumors
are there. So where can Liam go?

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:45:14):
I've got no idea. So then by them saying that
he will guaranteed have a seat in Formula One, there's
only two places he can get effectively. That is Aldi
to be loaned out to them, or which is the
Salva team. Incidentally he is called Aldi and Salba, or
just to the Red Bull, to the RB team with

(01:45:34):
Yuku Sinoda. I don't see any other options for him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
I look at or listen to the names you've just
read out that the Red Bull drivers and the RB drivers,
and it goes beyond their driving ability, doesn't it, Bob?
In terms of Sonoda's commercial attractiveness as a Japanese driver,
Piriz I think is Mexican, isn't he? And I think
that it brings with it a similar commercial attractiveness. Daniel
Ricardo was a star and drive to survive the Netflix series.

(01:45:57):
There's more to it than just the way you drive
the car, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:46:00):
Yeah? Very much, so, very much so Sonoda, Yes, you're right.
He is backed by Honda, and that will finish when
Honda go to the Aston Martin team in twenty twenty
six and onwards. So yeah, Sonoda is there next year,
but he's not forever. Daniel Ricardo. As soon as he
was signed and he was on Netflix, the cans of

(01:46:23):
the fizzy drink in America went up I think by
some eight or ten percent or something like that. That's
a lot of cans of fizzy drink he brings. And yes,
he's a media star rather than being a racing star.
At the moment, Sergio Perez he is sponsored or supported
and has been for many many years, not by the
Mexican population, but also by a guy called Carlos Slim,

(01:46:46):
who's the richest guy in Mexico, one of the richest
people in the world, and he pours a huge amount
of money into Sergio Perez. So yeah, commercial considerations are plenty,
and that really I suppose in the team like Red Bull,
who is the team itself is in an actual factor,
is in a lot of political strife from within. There

(01:47:10):
is I suppose you could say, I claim to be
the boss from helmet Marco and Christian Horner, and there
is a fight between the two of them for supremacy
in that team. Clearly Christian Horner has won that fight,
and Christian Horner's favorite drivers in the entire setup, par
Ricardo and Perez, he has stuck with them absolutely. So

(01:47:31):
it's you know, Liam Lawson's in the middle of not
only a commercial fight to get to get a seat
in Formula One, but a political fight within Red Bull
as well as being a damn good driver. And of
course Liam Lawson knows the internal workings of the best cart,
what was the best car on the grid up until

(01:47:52):
this moment, being their test driver, being their experimental driver,
being their driver, but to stand in to sort the
car out in the simulator and all that sort of thing.
If he leaves, he takes an awful lone secrets with him,
So he is a attractive proposition for them to keep
and for another team to try.

Speaker 13 (01:48:11):
And get hold of.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Supposed to be a development team for Red Bull.

Speaker 17 (01:48:15):
Well, that's how it was set up, and that's how
Ditrich Matisich, the boss of Red Bull, set it up
with Helmet Marco. But of course, with the unfortunate death
of Matasic last year, well that's kind of gone out
of the windows that Christian Horner now doesn't necessarily see
it as a development team unless he's trying to develop
one driver and that's Daniel Ricardo and that hasn't succeeded,

(01:48:39):
not at all, So it may have to go back
to being a development team. If that's the case, then
they're going to try and put Liam Lawson in there.
It's an incredibly difficult term situation for Liam, who's effectively powerless,
and his backers because they don't come with huge amounts
of money. It's an incredible difficult situation for him and

(01:49:02):
his backers, and in certain sense it's a difficult situation
for Horner and Marco because they have a They have
more problems than just trying to sort out one driver
going into a seat. It's the entire team they're trying
to sort out all at the same time with what's
going on internally in the Red Bull setup.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
What's your best guess then Bob and I know this
is fraught worth per all trying to guess what's going
to happen, trying to crystal ball Gayze against the backdrop
that you've outlined for us. So, well, what is your
best guess about what twenty twenty five will hold for
Liam Lawson?

Speaker 17 (01:49:37):
Well, the thing I hold on to is the Christian
Order is saying it's not guaranteed yet. It's not guaranteed
yet because he wants to keep Ricardo and Perez on side.
He doesn't want to say, now, yes, Liam is going
to be in one of our cars next year, because suddenly, okay,
who's going to go? One of us is going to go?

Speaker 13 (01:49:55):
Perez?

Speaker 11 (01:49:55):
Is it me?

Speaker 13 (01:49:56):
Ricardo?

Speaker 25 (01:49:57):
Is it me?

Speaker 17 (01:49:57):
I don't know. So maybe he's just trying to keep
those two guys interested in what they're doing. So my
gut feeling is that, well, I think Liam will get
a drive next year, But then I come up against
my own thoughts about just where, and I can't see
necessarily it's going to be that easy to slot him
in unless Horner and Marco knows that one of their

(01:50:21):
drivers Perez or Ricardo is going to be out the door.
And I suggest that would be Ricardo before Perez.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
He's ready for a full time sait is any LIAMB.

Speaker 17 (01:50:31):
Absolutely he's ready. But if he doesn't drive next year,
he won't be his career will be over in Formula
one effectively, unless he gets a full time drive next year.
You can't be a full time Formula One driver and
drop out a year at his stage of life, and
it's going to be difficult to come back. As it
is if you drop out for two years without driving
simulators or anything like that, it is very difficult. It's

(01:50:54):
that you're driving a knife edge in Formula one and
if you slip off that knife edge at all, you're
in trouble. So if they don't, if he doesn't get
a seat in Formula one next year, and believe me,
if he gets to seat, I don't think he's going
to be comfortable in that seat for the first I
don't know, four or five, six races half the season
next year until he really gets his mojo back again.

(01:51:16):
It's difficult to do, but he has the talent, he
has the ability, he has the age on his side,
and I believe he has the determination to do it.
So yeah, if he gets a seat, I think I
think he'll he'll go on, he'll go on, he won't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Just store the clock is ticking. Fascinating analysis. Bob, thanks
much for joining us today. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 17 (01:51:38):
Thanks Poney.

Speaker 13 (01:51:39):
And one good thing that's come out of today, I
just read that Seaneman gisberg has signed to do a
full season of NASCAR in the Big Game, the NASCAR
Cup next year. Somebody else we can watch progress.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Yeah, terrific news. Thanks again, Bob, appreciate it, Thanks Pony,
Thanks Bob, Bob mc murray. Then, yeah, that's good news
at the end that Bob has picked up on as well.
Shane Van Gisbergen will be a full time competitor in
the NASCAR Cup Series next year, Trackhouse Racing confirming he'll
pile their third car in NASCAR's top division. He's been
racing in the second tier Exfinity Series this year and

(01:52:13):
has already secured a playoff's birth with wins in Portland,
Sonoma and Chicago. He's a three time Australian Supercars champion.
Of course, He's also contested seven Cup Series races this year,
but next year it'll be full time in the Cup
Series for the GIZZ Shane van Gisbergen really interesting thoughts
on Liam Lawson as well to hear Bob's are at
the end there. If he doesn't drive full time next year,

(01:52:34):
that'll be his Formula One career over because he would
have had two years out basically and just won't be
able to catch up. So if you're Liam Lawson, you're
demanding an answer from red Ball, aren't you. I know
it's political and now it's difficult, But if you don't
have some sort of pretty close to one hundred percent
guarantee that you can get a seat, you go elsewhere,

(01:52:56):
don't you. And by the sounds of it, there are
others who would pick them up. Liam Lawson. We watch
with great interest fourteen all between Otago and Bay of
Pleading with five minutes to go until halftime under the
roof in Danita Nillall, after four minutes between Wellington and
Monter with two and their Bunnings MPC match in Pottydoor.
When we come back, it's to Lydia Coe. She is

(01:53:17):
just three shots off the lead with one round to
go in the Women's Open Championship at Saint Andrew's. What
chance she wins this major for the first time ever.
Phil thought Amy going to join U shortly to break
down her chances of success at the Open Championship.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
The big issues on and after fields call oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason Vine
and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's first trusted home Miilder News talks.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
Baby seventeen to three New Zealand Golf for Lydia co
and a tie for fourth after three rounds at the
Women's Open Championship at the Old Course at Saint Andrews.

Speaker 6 (01:53:53):
Who's Lydia owned the down the hill and eating going
to be swinging a little bit from left to eight.

Speaker 23 (01:53:58):
She got enough spit to keep the lane, great tray there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
That was a beautiaffort.

Speaker 6 (01:54:07):
It's going to be a round of seventy one for
Lydia Coe, who's been basking in the European summer. She'll
have another chance to do so tomorrow. It will be
right in the sec of it come Sunday in the
final round here at the AIG Women's Open.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Yeah, I wanted to pass seventy one in the third round,
four under for the tournament, just three shots behind the leader.
Let's bring a former pro golfer and astute analyst of
the game, Filled tartar Angi Phil. Any player would take
three back from the leader heading into the final round
of a major, wouldn't they?

Speaker 25 (01:54:37):
And at the Old Course to boot after the season
that she's had, Pliny, it's shaping up to be quite
a Sunday for her over there on Monday morning for
golf fans back.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Here, any I mean, you look at the what she's done,
seventy one, seventy seventy one. Is it likely she'll have
to shoot in the sixties to win it?

Speaker 25 (01:54:56):
I'm thinking so, Although just had a quick sneak peek
at the wonderful cast of Saint Andrews and they're expecting
some more breezy conditions tomorrow when gusting up to thirty
k and our So.

Speaker 26 (01:55:08):
It's the storied Old Course and it's been.

Speaker 25 (01:55:11):
Just wonderful watching the woman play at the last couple
of days because they're playing the game of which the
golf course was designed to be played on. The men
of course, you know, annihilated a little bit and it
takes the conditions and a little bit of trickery with
pin placements to I guess equal a challenge against the
best of the men's game. But the woman seem to

(01:55:32):
play the ground game really well. They get the bouncers,
they're playing the proper shots, they're playing the right distances
into the green.

Speaker 26 (01:55:38):
So it's not giving up a lot of birdies.

Speaker 25 (01:55:41):
I've noticed that she hasn't made a whole heaven mistakes.
I've made five bogies over the first three days.

Speaker 26 (01:55:45):
And I guess the hole that she needs to.

Speaker 25 (01:55:47):
Get through Piney when looking at a schoolcard, is the
eleventh hole they eat in the past three If she
can get through there, it was par which she hasn't
done the last few days, she'll be making some.

Speaker 26 (01:55:59):
Ground on the field.

Speaker 25 (01:56:00):
So hey, look, it may well just being steady as
you go.

Speaker 26 (01:56:05):
Might well be enough.

Speaker 25 (01:56:06):
But my suspicion is that at the moment she's three backs,
seven unders leading, seven under, eighth under might well be
good enough to win. So that takes three or four
under for her tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
What's the best strategy to making power on eleven?

Speaker 26 (01:56:20):
Yeah, I'll find in the middle of the green.

Speaker 25 (01:56:21):
Really, it's surrounded by Bunker's elevated green, really breezy conditions,
and you know it's all about club selection to the
green's pretty shallow there, and so hey, look, it's a quirky.

Speaker 26 (01:56:34):
Golf course, the old course.

Speaker 25 (01:56:36):
It's basically the Mona Lisa in golf course architecture terms,
and it's probably the course that most people are familiar with,
whether their golf fans are non golf fans.

Speaker 26 (01:56:46):
The old course at St.

Speaker 25 (01:56:47):
Andrews is kind of where championship golf all got started
way back in the day, and so hey, look at
there's only two par fives out there, there's only two
par threes, and so there's a lot of a lot
of iron shots where you've got to be precise with
your distance. She's hit a lot of greens and relation
in the last couple of days, which is what she

(01:57:08):
can do with those oversized double greens out there. But
she's just got to knock down a couple more parts,
that's all.

Speaker 26 (01:57:14):
It probably takes tomorrow to find the South with the
woman's version of the cleric joke in her hands at
the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
The day, I guess I wouldn't ready apply to Lydia Cooch,
she's been around for a long time, but would slightly
less experienced golfers find playing the old courses and Andrew's
in any way daunting.

Speaker 26 (01:57:34):
Maybe so, I mean, there's so much history there.

Speaker 25 (01:57:37):
And what's been great about the LPGA two and the
Woman's game in the last few years Pineyer is that
they've been going to some of these venues that have
typically been kind of locked away just for the men's game,
but the women have been now playing there and it's
great to see the contrast between the.

Speaker 26 (01:57:54):
Two styles of game.

Speaker 25 (01:57:55):
But more than anything, it's about putting the woman's game
on the pedestal. And so although some of the lesser
experienced players may not have played the old course as
often as the old hands, it's about skill execution when
it comes down down to the end of the day
and when it comes down the back nine and watching

(01:58:16):
the last.

Speaker 26 (01:58:17):
Couple of days have been inexperienced and experienced.

Speaker 25 (01:58:19):
Players that have had the courage to play shots that
they not used to playing week in week out on
the LPGA tour and being able to put off. So
it's going to take creativity, it's going to take courage,
it's going to take a little bit of thinking out
of the box, especially if the winds get up and
with the road hole of seventeenth, the penultimate hole of

(01:58:41):
the championship being one of those mightily difficult par fowards
playing over the corner and the Old Course Hotel with
the t shot, it's going to take the fall mixed
bag all of the tracks really to get the job done.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
Nellie Carter was the pre tournament favorite and justified that
back to back sixty eight in her first two rounds,
but then a seventy five in her third round. Five bogies,
a double bogie and four birdies. What do we take
from an up and down round like that.

Speaker 25 (01:59:07):
Yeah, I think she's the one that's got the firepower,
I think in the woman's game.

Speaker 22 (01:59:11):
And so.

Speaker 25 (01:59:13):
From what I saw, I didn't watch stay up and
watch it all last night, but I watched a few
of the highlights this morning and she looked like she
had a cold putter as well. Yesterday hit one out
of bounds on sixteen, and so you know, the Old
Course possibly just got a couple of back on her.
She hung in there to give us Olf a shot tomorrow.
And she's in the second last group, Litera in the

(01:59:35):
third to last group, so by no means shot herself
out of it. But look, the Old Course giveth and
it taketh away and so you know, it's about respect
and at times it seems like she got a little
tripped up and managed to salvage around where.

Speaker 26 (01:59:54):
It could have got away with her and completely.

Speaker 25 (01:59:56):
She's going for a little bit of history herself tomorrow.
I think it's been over fifty years since someone's won
seven times in the season on the old PGA Tour,
and so accord she has been the player of this
season thus far.

Speaker 26 (02:00:11):
Can she camp it off with a last major of
the season.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
Incredible form she's on And just on Lydia, how much
did you enjoy watching her win gold in Paris?

Speaker 15 (02:00:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (02:00:20):
Hey, look, there were a lot of late nights.

Speaker 25 (02:00:22):
There are a lot of late nights, and that one
was particularly late light for me. He was so much
on the line, you know, not not just a gold medal.
And for a lot of the other athletes at the
at the Olympics, it was all about the gold medal.
For Lydia, there was other things on the line, personal
achievements and keeping it off with being inducted into the

(02:00:45):
Woman's LPGA, all the fame.

Speaker 26 (02:00:48):
She would already be in the World Gold Hall of Fame.
It's just a matter of time.

Speaker 25 (02:00:54):
For that to be the should be awarded that honor
and joining Sir Bob Charles in that prodigious, prodigious group
of people that have been awarded that on her. But
it's capping the career and watching her coming down the
stretch was just like any other athlete rounding the last

(02:01:14):
corner and coming down the final straight. You can see
the mental anguish that was going on inside of her.
It would be great to get her quietly just sitting
around the table and talking us through but avoiding mistakes,
knowing that it was hers to lose. And she managed
to hold on and you know, put a full stop,

(02:01:35):
an exclamation point, you know, a big underline on her career,
all at parents, all in that one achievement was something
really special to watch.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Certainly was love chatting golf with your philm Thanks for
your time, mate plenty, Thanks very much, No, thank you, Phil,
Phil only there. Ahead of the fourth and final round
of the Women's Open Championship, Litera co is just three
shots back from the lead and a tie for fourth,
So looking forward to seeing how she goes overnight tonight,
maybe she wins that major for the first time. It's

(02:02:06):
eight and a half to three high, Jason, could you
give a shout out or mention to the New Zealand
women's footsal team playing in the final of the Nation's
Cup this afternoon to qualify for the first ever women's
Footsall World Cup next year. Players and coaches have spent
several years to get to this point. They've won all
four games to get to the final, which is live
on FIFA Plus at six tonight. I can do that,

(02:02:27):
definitely forward to watching and seeing if our footsal Ferns
can make it to the World Cup. Eight to three
News Talks.

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night with you. Tim Beverage is on the radio after
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Huge thanks to Andy McDonald for pulling the show together

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America's Cup just after midday today. So the song to
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