Full Show Podcast: 27 July 2025

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the Warriors today, mate Mars. Unfortunately we have to a
Warriors wobble at go Media last night defeat to the Titans,
and the top four is now far from a foregone
conclusion with six games to go. Various Rugby League analyst
Willie Poching standing by to chat to us. I'm very

(01:11):
very keen though on your views on a couple of things,
in particular the right edge, defense and weather. This Warrior's
side is still in your mind a top four proposition
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the A and Z Premiership Netball Finals on this afternoon
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Sport from four o'clock inside both camps. After two Mystics
captain MICHAELA Sokeolech Beatson and tactics shooter Ali Bird. Massive
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the winning try through fullback Hugo Keenan to seal the series.
The Aussies are blowing up deluxe about this. Going to
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Busby takes a state side with the lads from American
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but a live sport to keep an eye on this afternoon.

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Speaker 2 (03:50):
SO a shock home loss for the Warriors last night.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Jayden Campbell's gonna have the last say, terrific game from
Jayden Campbell. Here's been instrumental there marshaling this victory and
it's tight has come to Wakland and.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's an endus. What's a and DEAs has.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Hers five hundred game as an NRL coach.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
This Signe's gonna.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Feel really super sweet for him.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
As the Titans come to Wark, will win and when
at twenty four sixteen. The Gold Coast Titans were at
the bottom of the table before last night's match. After
taking a ten year lead through early tries to Adam
Pompey and Lekahalisima, the Warriors then conceded twenty four unanswered
points and gave themselves too much to do late in
the game to peg the Titans back. It was just

(04:37):
a fifth win of the season for the Gold Coast.
In coach Des Hasler's five hundredth match as an NRL
head coach, Let's bring in former Super League player and coach,
Foundation Warriors player and Skysport Rugby League analyst Willie Poaching Willie.
When Andrew Webster woke up this morning and started his
review of the match, what would have been the main

(04:58):
things concerning him? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (05:01):
I think the biggest thing will be that they weren't
able to go on and finish the job that they
started so well. Well, they put themselves in a position
to be really really dominant, and four credits to the Titans.
They saw an opportunity after going down quickly ten mil
to post some points, did so and you could just

(05:21):
see them grow from then on and it had the
adverse effect on the Warriors. You could almost see them
get deflated after starting so brightly and they had all
the running that or the field position. I think that's
something that coach Webster will be looking at, you know,
holding on to that start, but really trying to kick

(05:43):
on from that and putting teams to the sword and
being really ruthless going into a really tough time of
the year.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You're right, because he even said it afterwards. They didn't.
They didn't adapt to the momentum shift, which of course
was the Titan scoring their first try and then quickly
their second. Is it hard out there when you're up ten, Neil,
we think, man, we're going to run up a cricket
score here, and then all of a sudden it's back
to ten all again.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
It is dangerous. It is dangerous, and what the lessons
that everyone's learning from this competition. If you disrespect the
opposition by just a submigeon, you're going to get caught out.
And I'm not saying that the Worriors disrespected the Titans,
but it almost sut like things were coming so easy

(06:27):
to give that ten yearl lead and then went back
to back tries and then all of a sudden that
just turned. Yeah, the momentum swen was important for them
to recognize. And now I said it in commentary. It
was only a small thing, but it ended up being
pretty big in the context of the game and the outcome.

(06:48):
The two points just before halftime that the Titans took
into to take a lead at twelve to ten into
the break would have been huge for them. Huge for
them to be sitting in a position that we're in
charge of this game. Now, we're in control of these things,
and they took confidence out with him when they started
the second half, and then ultimately that eight point difference

(07:11):
when the clock started to run down was a huge
factor in the outcome for the Titans getting the job done.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
The warrior is right edge defense? Will he again in
the spotlight a couple of tries down that side. How
concerned should we be about the right edge defense?

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah? I think there is cause for a lot of
concern down there. And the Titans would have seen some
of those frailties last week against the Knights and the
joy that Bradman Bess was having, and obviously they targeted
that area last night, and there's some disconnection again. I

(07:53):
just I think it's tough to put Kirk kate Will
out there and expose him to so much space. And
he's a great player, he's a fantastic villain. But I
think starting him at sent who is a big ask
and teams are just going that way. I think they've
got to try and find a solution to putting someone

(08:15):
a little bit more athletic who can move laterally agility wise,
But regardless, that right edge has got to get some connection.
They're almost singing off different hymn sheets, if you like,
and they've got to do some work in the next
week or so to fix that up, because, as I said,
the Titans saw something in that night's video to go

(08:37):
down there, and the Dolphins will see something in the
last two games to do the same.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Dellan what Tenny's alesni at getting a lot of criticism,
But wellie, what's he supposed to do in defensive situations?
If he comes in, he runs the risk of an overlap.
If he stays out, there's the line break possibility. What
is he supposed to do well last week?

Speaker 5 (08:57):
And some of it depends on field position and where
you are. If you're gone halfway, say like it was
last week, you can buy yourself a bit of time
and give up a bit of space and meters to
the opposition in order for the line to get back
in tack and reconnect. But on your goal line you've

(09:18):
got no choice. As a winner, you can't hold off
and you can't play steady on your goal on You've
just got to go and kill and so the inside
for him isn't working. And I thought last night Karen
Ford did a really good job. And we talk about
targeting the back rower as your have to really open

(09:41):
up the number of advantage for your attack and Karen
Ford did a really good job in that. So once
Tanner Boy got tied up and Caper was an awfort,
Dylan had no choice but to go and try and
kill it. It was just unfortunate that the Titans had
so much depth and pass from Brimston was outstanding and

(10:03):
they got that first tribe. Yeah, there's a a bit
of work on for Andrew Webster in that right edge
going forward.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
You talked about Kirk Capele and they're desperate to get
him back into the back row. It's obviously don't want
I'm playing in the centers. They want them in the
in the forwards. But are there any other solutions? Roccoberry
still and did I hear Ali l'attawa left the field
late in the New South Wales Cup game yesterday? So
you've talked about somebody more athletic. I don't know, as
Charles nikol kluksta An ops in there.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Willie, possibly you could possibly put charms there and turn
to our pickI without standing everyone in reserve grave without
standing yesterday as they demorish South Sydney. You've got Moala
Graham Tolfa who's played a little bit of center and
he's an out and out center. He's someone who's comfortable
in that position. So there are some options for Andrew

(10:54):
Webster to tinker around with. Who knows what's going on
in the background, And you know, my first thoughts were
Ali l'attawa and word I'm getting is he's carrying some
medals and some injuries and he isn't one hundred percent,
as you've alluded to him coming off yesterday late in

(11:15):
the game. So his hands may be tied. And I'm
talking about Andrew West. His hands may be tired from
what he can select with. But yeah, there are some
options that he could use at his disposal to try
and get capable back.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
In the pack and take to olpa Key seems like
the most obvious one. Put him in somewhere. I think
the calls are growing, aren't they. And we've even set
after the game yesterday, Yes he's obviously a very good
player playing well for the new South Walest cap side.
Would you just bring him in? He's obviously high on confidence.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah, massively, And he kicked goals for fun yesterday and
he was turning the defenders of the South Sydney side
inside out every time he got hold of the ball
and set up a couple of tries and is almost
a little bit like Lecquer at the moment, growing and
cult status with the fans. And you're right, there's a

(12:06):
god of course for him to be back, and he's
done nothing wrong when he's been in the side. But
I understand him putting charms back there. He's the number
one fall back at the moment. But yeah, I think
you're going to find some space for him some way, somehow.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah. Well he played on the one, didn't he when
Dallan was enginede at the start of the season. So
who knows? We wait till Tuesday for the team naming
six games to go. Do the Warriors still feel like
a top four side to you?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Well, not at the moment. Positionally they had a chance
to go five points clear as the Panthers won last night,
but now there's three points and they then got all
the running with them. There's so much pressure now and
these are vital games. I thought the Knights and the
Tigers were almost must win four without being disrespectful for

(12:56):
where they sat on the table. The Dolphins are going
to be a tough ask, the Dolphins and the Dogs.
They have to go to the gold casing him and
play the Titans as well. But yeah, they don't feel
like that top four team at the moment. But because
they do sit in the top four, they have that

(13:18):
quality in them. They can turn it around. They can
fix it all up and get it back.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Great talking rugby league with you as always, Willie. Thanks
for taking the time, mate, Thanks for having us. Cheers mate,
Thank you mate. That is Willy poaching with his thoughts.
Time for yours now, oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. First things first, congrats to the Titans.
One of their best performances of the season. That did
not look like a bottom of the table side to me.
And if they keep playing like that, they will they'll

(13:43):
avoid the wooden spoon. They've gone past the rabbit Os
now their level with the Knights and the rabbit O's.
On sixteen points, but their points differ is better only marginally,
But that didn't look like a bottom of the table
side to me. Once again, the focus falls on that
warrior's right edge. Another try down that side. Look, I

(14:04):
honestly feel for Dell and why Tennis. He is in
a no win situation. In situations where the opposition are
coming down his side, you've got a couple of options.
Do you come in and force the tougher pass and
then get piled on when that pass is made and
your winger scores on an overlap, or do you stay

(14:28):
out on your man and then look a bit silly
when the center comes through and a line break untouched.
I think the answer, presumably, is that you don't go
all in on either strategy. You make decisions on a
case by case basis, and those decisions have to be
made in split seconds, and they have to be made
between players as well. And the connection between the players

(14:50):
on our right edge is still very much a work
in progress. Tanner Boyd brand new halfback Kurt Capewell, who's
only there because of injury and all things being equal,
wouldn't be playing in the centers. And then Dallen, who
looks low on confidence. The disconnect is part of the issue.
For the Titans try down their edge in the first half,

(15:11):
it's actually Kurt Capewell who comes up into the line.
Missus Man crouts the two on one. There's nothing Dallan
can do. So what do you do selection wise? Do
you make changes rightly or wrongly? Dellan whatenis Alesniak is
getting the harsh glare of the spotlight right now every
time a try comes down his side. He is the

(15:31):
first name people pick up on. So maybe you just
take him out of the spotlight for a bit. Maybe
you say have a break and you give Tane two
opi key the number two jumper. That's where he played
in the first eight weeks of the season, remember when
Dallan was injured. So maybe you say Dallan step out,

(15:52):
Tane step in. You're playing in the two jumper. They also,
as I say, don't want Kurt Capewell playing in the census.
They don't. He's a back roller. He's only there because
of injuries to Rock o'berry and Ali layat Tha. They
had desperate to get him back in the pack, but
Elie Latdouah left the field injured yesterday in the new
South Walest Cup game. Roco Berry is still injured, so

(16:13):
on Friday Night against the Dolphins, it'll likely be Kirk
Capwell in the centers. Again, good Chans n kol Klukstar
play there maybe, but then you're bringing in another guys
and played center all year, so do you actually improve
things in terms of connection? For me, it's to change
on the wing. You bring Tane to Well. Picky In
as I say, played there in the first couple of
months of the season and the Warriors won six of

(16:34):
those eight games. Another enforced change coming as well. No
Wade Egan next week out on HIA protocols. Has heard
in our sports news. Sam Healley took his place against
the Sharks and round fourteen played pretty well, so I'd
say he would probably come in there. But you do
miss Wade Egan when he's not there. I mean he
wasn't there for most of the game yesterday, so there
are some thinking to do. Oh eight hundred and eighty

(16:56):
ten eighty would you make changes selection wise? What happens
on that right edge? What are you seeing? And maybe
you can educate us on this and is this still
a top four side? Hello?

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Lyle yeah mate. Look, first of all, I hope c
W said doesn't look at social media quite nasty last
twenty four hours. But look, I've been telling you for
a while. They're on the slide, all right. They won
last week and it was a great win. Shame it
couldn't have been by one, for it would have collected

(17:31):
me one hundred and twenty three dollars. But anyway, you
can't have everything.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
You can't have everything.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
Long yeah, no, Look they had it for Egan's try
last week probably should have been awarded and Newcastle got
one that's passed off the ground. But people tend to
which is all right, but people tend to forget that
he was blue to absolute supprise. They had five guys

(17:56):
at their castings, run and gastro all week, so they've
got a Donther windsor win. But I thought they'd make
a statement yesterday. But to put it in a nutshell, right,
I think they were just completely out Food's. The only
thing that Fitans said to play for was avoid the
wooden spoon and give there's a win on as five
hundred games. But the Warriors head everything to play for,

(18:18):
consolidate where they are and make a statement. Look it's
pretty radical, but I'd be considering possibly putting pained to
a picky in the hooker. He's got a good pass,
he's got a great step and a great burst of place. However, Healey,
you will probably get the job. But look, if they
put it's fourth, it looks like they're going to be

(18:40):
playing Penrith at four plays five. I'm happy to be corrected.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
You're right, yeah, it's it's the it's the I think
it's the five, six, seven, to start end up in
the top you play. If you're fourth, you play top
to start with in a in a in A, one
of those qualifying finals, so you've got the two lives
if you're finishing the top four. For me, though, Lyle,
I think Penrith are finishing top four, the one seven

(19:06):
in a row. Now they're on the charge after a
dreadful start of the season. I reckon they're finishing top four.
I think the Raiders in the Storm stay there. I
think one of the Bulldogs of the Warriors is dropping
out and the Panthers make top four.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
For me, well, hopefully what will happen is the Bulldogs
drop out because the South Sydney support. But there's one
club I do not like because some of the supporters or.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
What they're like.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
It's definitely the Bulldogs. So look, the problem might be.
My main concern for the Warriors is the Olympic home
really badly, because once the finals start, suddenly it's a
new competition and the competition is going to be a
lot harder than they've played in the last month. They
look to me like a race horse that's in the

(19:48):
leading bunch going for home but fading badly. I've told
you before and I say it again. The two irons.
One's nineties, the other one's self sorry north of eighties.
The support of the Warriors, their entire lives type Pott.
The Warriors have been in the comp Hopefully they can
do it for them.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I'm so lyle I hope so mate. Yes, for their man,
for their the rest of their supporters. Good to chat
to you, mate, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eightyes
out number Alistair Hi.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
Okay mate, how are you going?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Very good? Alasta? What's on your mind? Warrior is wise?

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Well?

Speaker 8 (20:20):
I think with Dylan the issue goes back well before
the you know, like having capable inside him. You know,
I've been watching them all season and he keeps making
the same mistake. You know, he sort of comes in
take out the center, doesn't stay out in his man
and he gets caught in no man's man. And you know,
I don't know how many tries we have seen scored
where basically the wingers just run around him. I think
he needs to be stood down, you know. I mean

(20:43):
he cost us two tries in their match last night
and then you know, ten minutes and the Sinton didn't
help and wish they scored another try.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
So not for the first I'm not sure, the first
one down, I'm not sure. The first one down, his edges,
his fault, the first half one, the one that made
it teen all cape Well's up on the line, misses
the man and Dllan's two one one. Then there's not
much he can do in that situation.

Speaker 8 (21:04):
No, but it's symptomatic of a bigger problem. I mean,
look to me, the winger should always just stay on
his man on the outside. And I mean we saw
it against Tigers where Skelton scored and you know, just
ran around him. And you know, it's just like pretty

(21:24):
much every match, you know it's going to happen, and
you know when the opposition are attacking and the ball's
gone out to his wing. You're sitting there and you go,
you know, you can just to see exactly what's going
to happen. You don't need to, you know, it's just
like textbook over and over and over again. And you know,
is it a coaching issue potentially? You know, I mean,

(21:45):
I don't know what Andrew Wibbs is doing about it,
but it's I think it's time to try something else.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
With my wife.

Speaker 8 (21:52):
She's a massive Dell and fan.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'm sure it's not the first time you've been in
trouble with your wife, Foulster, and probably not the last. Mate.
If it's only on a rugby league selection, I think
you're probably doing okay. Thanks for the call, mate. I
just feel like they'll make a change. He's in the
spotlight and like I said, he is absolutely on defense
in a no win situation. Often if he stays out,

(22:17):
as Elisa suggested, then there's the possibility that the you know,
there's a line break on the inside. You mean, shuffle
defenses is across rugby league and rugby is accepted as
a good idea. Isn't it that you come in and
you make the person who's making the pass on this occasion,
Karen Forn, you make him make a more difficult pass.
The one that's the cutout pass has to get past

(22:38):
two or three guys plus the defenders in the line.
You're asking him to be a lot more accurate with that.
If you shuffle in, if it's just a short pass
and then there's a bit of a gap because the
winger hasn't come in, then you create a different set
of issues. So he's kind of damned if he doesn't.
Damned if he doesn't. But rugby league folk, tell me
what good right edge defense looks like. Eight hundred and

(23:01):
eighty ten eighty. Educate us all what should be happy
in these situations? Or is it as simple as the
fact that Boyd Cape well, why Tennis Elisniak is just
a combination that has not developed enough to have connection
half past twelve lines, open spear one there if you
want to jump on, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty back with more of your calls after this.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
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Speaker 2 (23:33):
They'll be twenty seven to one talking the Warriors back
to the lines at the moment Golden rule in foot.
He says, this text the man of the balls the
most dangerous, So coming in is the right idea. I've
asked a lot of people about this who know a
lot more about rugby league than me, and they all
say that there is no one right way. But coming
in from your wing on defense is most of the

(23:56):
time the right thing to do for the reason that
that text just outlined the man with the balls the
most dangerous, and you make the opposition make a more
difficult part us one, which is a cutout pass. And
that cutout pass has been successful for teams against the
Warriors quite often in recent times. And so that's why
the spotlight is falling on Delan White, Tennis Lesniak and

(24:17):
his decision making. Here's Kurk Capewell's view last night on
the right each defense.

Speaker 9 (24:22):
Yeah, it's obviously something we've had to work on. I'm
not usually out there in the center's next to dur
but credit to him, he's adjusted really well. I thought
we made some improvements during the week. Obviously, they scored
that second try down our edge. But I thought we
made some improvements. And you know, it's a tough, tough
position out there, and you know the last night of
defense and a lot of the time you compyed a

(24:42):
slack for it. But yeah, credit to Delaney, he steps
up and does the job. And yeah, I thought we've improved.

Speaker 10 (24:49):
The guys playing in different positions like Kirk can play,
and he's got a lot of experience at playing different
positions in his crew.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
But we're dying to getting back to the back row.

Speaker 11 (24:58):
You know, we're dying too.

Speaker 10 (24:59):
But I mean Ali didn't finish the game again today
and you so last cup, Rocco's still out. So aye,
that's what we're being given right now. And like I said,
I trust that we'll make the right improvements and get better.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So there you go. That's Kirk Cable first of all.
And then Andrew Webster, like his hands are tied in
many ways in terms of the players he has at
his disposal. He doesn't want Kirk Cable playing in the centers.
It must rather have Rocko Berry there or Ali La
Lata Layatawa. But he's got to deal with the cards
he's been dealt at the moment. In terms of the
players at his disposal, doesn't he Oh eight hundred and

(25:35):
eighty ten eighty is our number for your views, Phil,
What did you see?

Speaker 12 (25:40):
Oh, I've seen trouble down that right inside. Unfortunately, like
everybody's been saying, poor old Dylan, he's gonna We talked
about a lot I think today.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (25:52):
Well, the more I'm listening, the more I think. And
I don't know what to do because I you know,
it seems obvious that he comes and off off as
man and then opens up that the gap to be
on the outside of him. But then, like you say,
if he if he stayed on the outside, then he
go up the gap for the run on the inside.
So yeah, I might have been a bit harsh on

(26:14):
him too, because I was going to say what most
people were saying, that that's he's a great player, and
he makes some good hard runs up the middle and that,
but he has that problem of leaving his side his
side exposed. But interesting too because I don't know if
you've seen it, but they were talking to forum afterwards

(26:35):
as well, and he said the same thing when he
got that he threw that great cutout pass and the
guy got the Troy and he said he didn't even
have to look, but he knew from that there's probably
is going to be an open you know that that
was going to happen with wasn't Dylan coming in? So
he threw the pass without even really looking for a start, I.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Didn't see that. Yeah, and they will do their prep
done they field, they will do their prep and and yeah,
someone said on takes the same thing that he said afterwards,
that they did their home work and new And I
think most wingers probably do the same, you know. And
and they come in because you know it's man, it's
the man with the balls the most dangerous, So you know,
I guess you make a calculated decision to come in

(27:20):
and look if the ball gets if someone throws the
pass like Karen Foran did last night, or like you
know other players have against Latroll. Mitchell did one for
Souths against the Warriors a few weeks back, which exposed
that edge again. Yes, you kind of shrug your shoulders
and say, well, good luck to you if you've managed
to make the pass. We will take the risk that
that you're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 12 (27:42):
Yeah, I'll tell you the other thing too that I
tell you. The other thing point that I noticed too,
was when it all turned around, and it turned around
so quick, like you say, after ten minutes, and it
just changed completely. And I think they had a bit
to do with eating going off as well, because they
seemed to sort of loose a bit of direction I
think then and the ideas. But the other thing that
I noticed that was happening, and it was sort of

(28:04):
like going back to the Warriors of the they were
letting the other side. I don't let them, that's the right,
but they were letting the other side do a lot
of offloads, you know, and they were keeping the ball alive,
you know, and creating creating opportunities. And in the past,
I think when the Warriors have been beaten, well, they've

(28:24):
been guilty of not tying that ball up and teams
have been getting those offloads out, you know, when in
the tackle so they can keep running on and creating
an opportunity. And I noticed that was happening a bit
last night with Titan still in that too.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
It's interesting, uh, And it's a very interesting time for
Andrew Webster. Phil it is something I'm sure that he's
you know, that he's racking his brains about but he
gets you know, I'll play a little bit of audio
from him. He you know, he was asked about selection
changes last night and whether he might look at doing
something differently and you know next week he was asked

(29:02):
whether Tane to while Picky was an option to come
to the side, turns an option every week.

Speaker 10 (29:08):
Man Like, he's a good player, but I'm certainly not
going to be starting to pick teams half an hour
or an hour after the game's finished. Well, like I said,
I've got complete confidence in everyone.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
So we have a selection meeting every week, and.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
There's a lot of good players that make it hard
to pick the best seven eight. But whoever plays, we
believe in them one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's the words of Andrew Webster afterwards. The other part
I'm interested to hear from you about thanks for your call, Phil,
is whether you still believe this team to be a
top four proposition. They're fourth at the moment, so clearly
they're in the mix, But then you start to do
some calculations around what it might look like over the

(29:49):
next six matches. The Warriors a fourth on thirty points,
and with the Broncos losing to the Eels, on Friday night,
the gap back to the Broncos stays at four points.
The Broncos lost, the Warriors lost, so no change in
the gap between them. The Panthers, though, are the problem.

(30:10):
The Panthers are now starting to find their mojo again,
which is a worry not just for the Warriors but
for the rest of the competition. They comfortably accounted for
the Tigers last night, they jumped over the top of
the Broncos into fifth spot. They're up to twenty seven points,
just three now behind the Warriors. They've won seven straight

(30:34):
games seven. They are on an absolute role the Panthers,
and furthermore, they have the opportunity to shake up the
top four because they still have to play the top three.
They play the Storm in round twenty four. Are sorry
not Round twenty four on the twenty fourth of next month?

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Is?

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Or have I just written that down wrong? They play
the Storm anyway, then the Raiders, then the Bulldogs in
three consecutive matches, Storm, Raiders, Bulldogs. The teams that are second, first,
and third. At the moment, I've got the Panthers making
the top four. I've got them making it, and it
feels as though the sides that are the most danger,
as I said before, are the Warriors and the Bulldogs.

(31:16):
I think you can put the Raiders and the Storm
into the top four. I think ian pencil them in
their forms good enough. What are the Raiders won their
last four, the Storm of four of their last five. Below,
then the Bulldogs and the Warriors are the ones who
are heading the skids a little bit. I think the
Panthers are in irresistible form and they will charge up
into the force. So it's the Warriors of the Bulldogs

(31:36):
as to who drops out. Then you look ahead to
their clash in a couple of weeks time, and you
think that is potentially top four defining, isn't it nineteen
to one? Could they mark?

Speaker 13 (31:50):
Hey boney, Yeah, I'm a little bit worried to the
last two games. They haven't looked particularly, haven't played really well.
They probably didn't deserve to win. I mean that Alisumerchai
was sort of at the end, probably wasn't deserved against
the Knights. But yeah, yesterday. You know, some teams just
don't play well against other teams in the NRL. And
you know, obviously last year they got Dick sixty six

(32:12):
sixth something wasn't it. So yeah, I think they're struggling
after Metcalf left to find that player who's leading them
around the fielder. I think Egan as the last call
of said sort of they missed him when he went off.
He makes a hell of a lot of ground up
the middle around the rocky area and sort of sort
of takes over that role. And I mean, you know,

(32:33):
Boyd coming in, it's a hell of an ask for
someone who's been playing you know, reserve grade, and I
know he's been in the NRL, but he probably wasn't
as the top player, probably still isn't to sort of
lead a team around the park. You know, expect that
straight off the bat two or three weeks into the job,
which is going to have to do for the rest
of the season. But yeah, I mean the NRL season

(32:56):
is so long, and I mean the injuries just takes
a toll on every single team, and I think that's
what the Warriors are having to struggle with. And I
mean Webb's you know, every time he's interviewed, he's just
basically saying, well, we get dealt these things, like players
get injured. It's the nature of rugby league, and we
just have to deal with it. And I don't think

(33:16):
Kate Well's you know, a natural in his natural position
out there. But yeah, it would be good to get
some players back, and some of it will come down
to how many injuries we get, you.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Know, oh absolutely, And you're right. You can you can
say you can plan for the fact that you'll get injuries,
but when they arrive, you're always not necessarily scrambling, but
you are going to plan B at the least and
then plans C. There's no way Kirk cape Well, if
at the start of the year you were picking your
best centers, he would be part of it. He's plugging

(33:49):
a gap there. Andrew Webster said, we can't wait to
get Kirk back into the back row. But you got
to play somebody there. Thanks Mark, appreciate your callers always.

Speaker 14 (34:01):
Hello Brent, Hey, Yeah, just about the Warriors last time.
Very disappointed in the result and like a previous course
setting and everything to pay for. But there's no easy
ones in that game and that competition that they all
have games and yeah, it's just the right wings. Titans

(34:23):
were bad to hungry for them and uh yeah, I
think when when the Walker went down, that was basically
it they seen the loiseaber of direction and the previous
coors have said. And in terms of had the top
four teams and end up at the end of the season,
I reckon it will be a Panthers uh Raters final

(34:46):
uh And the Warriors are probably end up finishing about
seth or even sixth the way they go at the moment,
I can't send them beating the Dolphins. And he's from
now on things are going to be interesting to see
everything pans out. But I reckon the Grand Final will
be the Raiders and the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, I look at it's one asolute possibility. I reckon
there are a chance against the Dolphins. You know, Brett,
you know it's at home. Was it last last year
when they were beaten by the Titans in that inexplicable
game when they lost sixty six to six? The next
week they turned up and beat the Broncos who were
going along pretty nicely thirty to eighteen or something similar

(35:25):
to that. So I do rate their bounce backability against
the Dolphins. It is shaping is a pretty big game,
no Egan, As you say, what do they do in
the scene, is they probably haven't got the opportunity to
bring back Berry or Leahtawa, so it's going to be
largely the same team apart from a change at hooker.
I still back them to win that game. It's shaping
as pretty crucial to their top four hopes, and if

(35:47):
they weren't to win it, I think you're right, they're
probably more a fifth or sixth proposition. So they got
next week Dolphins Dolphins off, Riday off. Yeah, that's the
next one.

Speaker 14 (35:59):
Then they've got the Titans.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
That they look.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, the remaining games Dolphins at home, Bulldogs away. That's obviously. Look,
if they could beat the Dolphins, they'll go to Canterbury
with a you know, a bit of a spring in
their step and a chance to if they beat the Bulldogs.
I think that really does you know, say, okay, they're back.
Then the Dragons at home, the Titans away, the Eels

(36:26):
at home and the Sea Eagles away. It's not the
toughest running in the world, but it's just hey, brind
there's no easy games. Last night proved that.

Speaker 14 (36:35):
No, no, there's no games and the Dragons will be
tough to beat. Yep, they really have to be on
for those. For the remaining games, Dragons and Dolans will
both be hard games they should get over the years.
There won't be an easy game either because they took
up the Broncos. So it's going to be interesting and

(36:56):
hopefully you can get a few of us of players
back and crack on, crack on.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Indeed, Brent, good thoughts is always from you make callback anytime,
thirteen away from my back.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
After this the Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport
with Jason Hyne and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted
home builders.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Coming up ten to one. A couple of minutes spare
if you want to jump on and give us your
final thoughts on the Warriors. Could Roger play center? Asks Sean, Well,
he could. He played center quite often last year from memory,
I'm not sure it would be called a raging success.
I really like him on the wing, but yes, Roger
two I Vasishek could potentially shift into the centers. Adrian
High Hello, there, Hei, very good, very good. Thanks.

Speaker 15 (37:41):
I'm very pleased to hear that you're such a strong
supporter of the Warriors. It's a great thing and they
deserve every part of that. Just quickly, look the poor
winger Dylan is it he look? I just feel that
since he was injured, he hasn't been the same player,

(38:05):
you know, and maybe a bit of confidence has gone
from him there, which could be one of the factors.
The other thing that I would like to see is
it comes down to fitness. When you have your players
in the forwards, Why doesn't one man get out of

(38:26):
that rug position and get across the field when they
know the balls going out wide. Why don't we get
a cover player who is pretty fit and get across there,
just to be that extra cover in case that center
gets through. You know, I think the cover out there,
a lot of our players just think, oh, well we've

(38:48):
done our job in the scrum or whatever whatever running
up the medal. But there needs to be a cover
player that gets right across there in case that breaks through.
And why are the new South Wales team winning so
many games and playing so well that you know, who

(39:12):
are the players that are causing them to win so
many games? Surely they should be looked at to come
into the Warriors and they may have already done that.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I don't know, but oh, you're talking the new South
Wales Cup team. Adrian the second team. In other words, yes, yes, no, Well,
Tane tow or Pikey is playing brilliantly for them, and
as you know, he's played a bit of first grade
and look, I think he's the obvious one, and there
are others as well, and a few of the names
that have been thrown around, but yeah, that's.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
What you have.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Your reserve grade four is to provide depth. And look,
at some point, yeah that I think, Dellan, you've hit
on something interesting. You know, maybe there is still a
little bit of a lack of confidence from the injury
which kept him out for what a couple of three
months at the start of the season. Maybe he's just
not quite as confident. And look, you got Sindon last
night as well. That was unfortunate. He kind of reacted

(40:05):
to a situa and found himself tackling somebody without the ball.
So yeah, it's you just don't want it to become
a spiral, Adrien. I don't think you don't want it
to spiral down and down and down and then all
of a sudden, you know, you're finding it hard to
climb out. They're still fourth, and I do still back them.
They're they're the team I follows as a as a
rugby league outfit.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
We all do.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
We all want them to play well. We are allowed
to critique them as you have as well. Thanks for
calling through seven to one u S talks it.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
BT's Sue from the Track fields and and the Court
on your home of sort weekends for it with Jason
Vine and used talks MB.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Four to one. Hey, thanks for your cause and correspondence
on the Warriors always good to chat it through the
day after they play Friday night against the Dolphins, so
I guess on Saturday we can we can review that one.
I honestly back them to bounce back, as I say
they did last year when they lost to the Titan terribly.
They have sean bounce back ability this team. Tuesday is

(41:04):
team naming day, so it'll be very interesting to see
what Andrew Webster decides to do around team selection. His
hands are tied in some ways, in others, he does
have the ability to make some changes if he wants to.
After one o'clock, we're going to look at a major
shakeup in the New Zealand sports broadcasting market. In the

(41:24):
past week.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and afterfield.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
It's all on Wig and Sport with Jason.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Vane on your Home of Sport.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Welcome back into the show. One oh seven. Mary says
on text Piney, you can blame me for the Warriors
losing last night. I finally got a supporter. Shit you
reckon you jinx. The Mary also asks Mary, did I
imagine that the black Caps won the Try Series final
by three runs overnight? You didn't imagine that, Mary, No,

(42:00):
the black Caps did. Indeed. When the Try Series Final
against South Africa by three runs over a real topsy
turvy game. New Zealand batting first one hundred and eighty
for five, Devin Conway forty seven off thirty one balls
right in Revendra forty seven off twenty seven won eighty
for five and South Africa well, it was really good

(42:23):
bowling through the middle overs by the black Cats from
over sort of twelve to seventeen they went for ten, eight, six, eight,
eight and five runs, meaning South Africa came to the
last three overs needing thirty seven of eighteen balls. But
then they took fifteen of Zach Folks in the eighteenth
over and fifteen off Jacob Duffy in the nineteenth so

(42:45):
all of a sudden they need just seven off the
final over. But step up the man of the moment,
as he has been so often in recent times in
all formats, Matt Henry the final over, he bowls a
dot ball. Then Michael Bracewell takes an absolute speck at
deep midwicket, incredible catch. Then it goes two and one,

(43:08):
and then Darryl Mitchell down at long on takes another
brilliant catch and so all of a sudden, South Africa
have got three off the first five balls. They need
a four off the last ball to force a super over,
and it's a dot. So Matt Henry's last over has
gone for three runs, He's picked up two wickets and
New Zealand have won by three runs. Terrific. Well done

(43:31):
to them, So five straight wins at this try series.
They beat South Africa twice in Paul Play, beat Zimbabwe
twice and Paul Play, and then won the final against
South Africa two Test matches. Now again Zimbabwe to come
over the next two or three weeks or so. I'm
going to talk sports broadcasting this hour very shortly.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
I just want to.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Take you back though to last night massive controversy in
the second Wallabies Lions test last night. I'm not sure
if you've seen this, but the Aussies are winning the game.
Lines are hot on attack near the end and one
of the Lions players, reserved back rower Jack Morgan, comes
flying in and cleans out Carlo Tuzano at rut time.

(44:17):
The Lion's secure position or keep position basically, and then
score the winning try out wide through Hugo Keenan. Now,
the Ossies are absolutely blowing up about this. Here's Morgan
Totanui in the television commentary with his summation.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
But the end is a penalty to the Wallabies and
the referees were too weak to give it. It doesn't
matter you cannot hit a guy in the back of
the neck. The referees have got it wrong. It has
cost the Wallaby survival in the series. The British and
Irish science lead this series too, Neil. It was brave
to come back from them. But it is a terrible

(44:56):
decision that decides this match.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Now.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I've had a look at this a few times this
morning to try and work it out, and it's one
of those where there's arguments on both sides. If it's
given as a penalty. I'm not sure that there are
you know, absolutely outrageous complaints from the lines, but Joe
Schmidt is really unhappy with the refereeing. Unsurprisingly, Andy Farrell,

(45:20):
the Lions coach, has nothing to see here. I'm going
to pick this up after two o'clock and you might
have some thoughts as well. I had a few texts
on it today and an email as well regarding it.
So we we'll get across the Tasman to our man
Brett McKay after two o'clock and get his view. Was
it an illegal clean out? And actually should the Australians
have mine? It held on to a twenty three to

(45:40):
five lead anyway, So that's to come in about an
hour or so. James mcconey this hour, but I want
to start with a major shakeup in the New Zealand
sports broadcasting landscape this week. On Tuesday it was announced
that Sky have purchased TV three, giving themselves already made
free to wear platform for some of their sports content.

(46:03):
And on Friday it was reported and this is not
yet confirmed, but it has been widely reported that TV
and ZED have won the battle to screen next year's
fee for World Cup fending off Sky in the battle
for those rights, and they will again reportedly screen a
significant portion of the one hundred and four matches that

(46:23):
now happen at a World Cup because it's forty eight teams,
a significant portion of those one hundred and four games
will be on a new paywalled digital platform that's going
to be up and running by the time the tournament
kicks off in June of next year. So in other words,
you will pay to see the entire tournament. You'll pay

(46:43):
TV and Z. They will obviously also have some free
to wear content, either on their main channels or streaming.
The new rugby deal, of course, is yet to be finalized,
although those discussions are well advanced, apparently with an announcement
imminent that will be Sky picking those rights up.

Speaker 16 (47:01):
Again.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
It's just a matter of the dollars and some of
the finer detail. So what will all of these change
mean for you and I, for the everyday sports viewer.
For a bit of analysis, let's bring in Colin Smith,
Managing Director of Global Media and Sports and founding director
of Media Rights Value. Colin is hugely experienced in the

(47:23):
provision of strategic advice and negotiation leadership on sports, media
and competition structures. He advises leading media companies and major
professional sports in Australasia, in Europe and across Asia as well. Colin,
thanks for joining us and lending us your expertise. Let's
start with Sky's purchase of TV three. How important is

(47:45):
it for a pay per view operator like Sky to
have a free to air platform like this?

Speaker 7 (47:53):
Thank you a pleasure to talk to you. It's really
interesting and when we look at the New Zealand media market,
what we are now seeing is in essence the domination
and by tvn Z on one side and both entering
into now behind the paywall and free too air, and

(48:17):
then with a Sky acquiring the rights from Warner Brothers
and having a free to air and also additional streaming,
so you've got two powerful, formidable broadcasters now in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
The free to air side of things is really interesting
to meet Colin. Is it crucial for a company to
have free to wear capability because it allows for advertising
to be sold on that platform or because most sports
now want a free to wear component and they're broadcast offering.

Speaker 7 (48:52):
Well, it's a really good question, and the fundamental is
if you want to get mass viewership, free to air
is the way to go. But then if you want
to maximize your revenues, you want to be behind the
So a combination of free content plus behind the paywall

(49:13):
is highly successful and it maximizes both the viewership and
the revenues for the broadcaster.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
It sounds so simple when you say it, Colin, It
sounds so simple, I'm not in my head, but it
seems to be a very hard balance to strike. What
are the conversations that go on around board tables at
both a broadcaster and a sports organization when these deals
are being put together.

Speaker 7 (49:39):
It is a really a debate actually, because on one
side you need to make sure you've got the interests
from the viewers, from the New Zealand viewers, so therefore
that has a compelling portion of free to wear. But
then in terms of maximizing the revenues for a sport

(50:02):
or a sports competition, then it needs to be behind
the paywall. It's frankly that simple, but that complicated as well,
and it is a tradeoff.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Do you think broadcasters care about a sports desire to
expose their sport to as wide an audience as possible,
or as a broadcaster a pay per view broadcaster simply
want if they had it their way, everything behind their paywall.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
The answer is that most pay per view of broadcasters
would prefer to have as much content behind the paywall.
But the other part of this is to promote and
to keep on promoting that competition. Having a free to

(50:50):
air component is a win win, And you could argue say,
if we look at the New Zealand example of the
provincial rugby being behind the paywall's probably cost it's a
lot of viewish and where now probably not an attractive

(51:11):
TV product for a pay TV operator.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
In terms of the organization's the sporting organizations, do you
think they are now all totally cognizant colin of the
of the concept of free to wear that they have
to have some on free to wear. It's no good
just taking the money from the broadcaster. They have to
have a free to wear component in order to keep
their sport exposed.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
I would argue with you, yes, they do need a component,
but it doesn't if it's one game per week or
a premium game. Yes, but when you want the major
behind the paywall to maximize a revenue for that sport,

(51:56):
And frankly sixty to eighty percent of revenues for a
sport come from paid television.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, it's an incredible amount, isn't it and so crucial
to to so many sports. The other piece of news
this week is TV and Z securing the rights to
the FIFA World Cup next year. They've got new technology
coming to charge for it as Sky do. Now how
big a play is this in your view? From TV
and Z our state broadcaster, it's.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
A very significant and one of the interesting aspects about
TV and Z it is both a it is government owned,
but it's totally commercial as well, and it really dominates
the New Zealand market. And then now entering into the
PATV side makes it even more competitive and therefore more

(52:48):
important for Sky to have the acquisition of TV.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Three well indeed, and so you would expect that the
acquisition of TV three would naturally lead to Sky including
that as a free to air element on future broadcast
deals with any.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
Code possibly, And I could see that with rugby for sure,
and potentially you know, things like the Olympic if they
did for the Olympic Games or the Conwawk Games, I
could see that for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
How important to a broadcaster are marquee events like World Cups,
Olympic Games, compared to the regular content of a sporting season.

Speaker 7 (53:35):
For a pay television operator, the most important is the games,
and it's not the pinnacle events. It's the round by round.
So in other words, the Super Rugby or the NRL games,
they are really important. They attract consistent viewership and therefore

(53:59):
consistent subscribers. In terms of the premium events like the
Big Games or the piinf World Cup, generally they are
globally in front of the paywall as opposed to a
behind the paywall. But you can see that changing where

(54:21):
some sport will be behind the paywall and some sport
leading sport will be in front of the paywall.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
So it makes sense, it does make sense, It makes
perfect sense. I wonder what the feeling will be at
Sky having not acquired the FIFA World Cup next year.
How much of a blow is that to them, or,
as you've just outlined, are they more interested in the
content that's provided by a regular season that goes across
many months.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
I think FIFA World Cup is a one off and
football generally is not as strong in New Zealand, or
for that manner, in Australia, and so therefore what is
really important with New Zealand being close to being in

(55:08):
its winter code, being a one sport nation or historically
a one sport nation with rugby and growing with NRL,
it's therefore it's those regular games that is important.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
We're still yet to have the official announcement of Sky
in New Zealand Rugby's new broadcast deal. It runs out,
as you know, at the end of this year. We're
told it's imminent. What do you think the sticking points
would be, you know, right at the end, when they're
just trying to nut out the final nuts and bolts
of their deal.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
I think there would be two parts of this. Of course,
it's going to be how many New Zealand dollars millions
of dollars are they're paying per year? And you know,
whether it's the same amount as the previous deal, and
I'd say that's unlikely and I think it will be lower,
but you never know. And the other part of that

(56:04):
is to ensure what's the future of Super Rugby and
how does that continue to thrive when it's got its challenges.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
In general terms, Colin zoom out of it from this,
how would you describe the global sports rights landscape right.

Speaker 7 (56:23):
Now, Well, it's over the last twenty years it's boomed
and that's been huge for the funding of professional sport globally.
Now with the advent of streaming and many streamers, we're

(56:46):
getting to a timeline when the values of rights will
not increase so dramatically as they have in the last
twenty years. And you can see that's happened already in
the French league, which is the Football League One. It's

(57:07):
going to be increasing the case globally. The two exceptions
to that have been the NFL to you know, earn
thirteen billion US dollars a year and now the latest
deal with the NBL the NBA sare I say in
the United States that's a deal of seventy six billion US.

(57:32):
But they are massive with massive markets.

Speaker 16 (57:35):
But I.

Speaker 7 (57:38):
Continuing to the same extent and they are The other
challenge that brought us the viewrop of gen Z the
younger viewers is less. They're not holding them for an
entire game, and how they address that is a real
is an issue they need to consider indeed.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
And just on the fact that there was a downward
traind LL certainly it's a plateau of anything. Is it
like the housing market, Colin might go up again, or
is the downward trend likely to continue now?

Speaker 7 (58:10):
I think my view is it's starting to too close
to being max out unless they reattract gens in and
they come back into which they follow sports significantly in
the professional sports, but they don't stay for entire games.
And therefore if they don't subscribe to the paywalls broadcasters

(58:37):
or don't watch them free to air and therefore attracted
to advertisers, that means the revenue is flowing in to
broadcasters because of sports content is an issue, even though
sport is one of the premium products of broadcast globally.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
And just back to the revenue that broadcast money provides
the sporting organizations. You mentioned the sort of sixty seventy
maybe even upwards to that for some sports. Do you
see that going down? Will sporting organizations need to look
at other other revenue streams, better sponsorship deal, better ticketing
and merchandise that sort of thing.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
Well, the interesting part of sponsorship revenue is really driven
because of broadcast. It's not driven it's not driven by
attendances of games. The challenge, I think the challenge is
that that that percentage I don't think will change. There
could be some more sponsorship, the issue of sports speedding

(59:43):
could increase, but that's got some real issues socially, and
I think that's on both sides of the ditch, and
so that's I don't think necessarily that's going to grow
without some government interventions or constraints. And I think what's

(01:00:05):
going to happen is the costs of these sports leagues.
Where will we need to be addressed going forward as well?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Colin, you've given us tremendous insight. Thank you so much
for joining us this afternoon with your expertise. I really
appreciate your.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
Time, absolute pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Thank you for joining us, Colin sports broadcasting expert Colin Smith.
There plenty to pick up on if you want to
pass comment. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The
whole free to wear VPAYTV balance is fascinating to me.
It's something that all sports organizations now here in New
Zealand have to grapple with. It feels now as though

(01:00:48):
sport has to have some sort of free to wear components.
Cricket have worked this out and it was really a
bit of a gift for them. When Spark fell over
and TVNZ picked up all of that cricket, it all
went on too duke as free to wear and it
was exposed to a huge audience, a free to wear audience.

(01:01:10):
Everybody in New Zealand could watch international and domestic cricket,
and New Zealand Cricket didn't lose out in any way
financially because Spark when they fell over, Spark Sport, that
is the wider company, guaranteed the money that they were
contractually obliged to pay to New Zealand Cricket. So New

(01:01:32):
Zealand Cricket have effectively got the best of both worlds.
They get the money from a pay per view operator
and they get free to wear in its entirety. That's
going to finish obviously at the end of this deal,
which is is this coming some of the one after
one of those two anyway, and they have to renegotiate Rugby.

(01:01:52):
I'm sure that there'll be some sort of free to
wear element in the Rugby deal. And now with Sky
having bought TV three, that's the perfect platform for it.
They can use TV threes, either the traditional TV or
the digital platform to show free to wear Rugby, not
the All Blacks, probably not Super Rugby, but some of

(01:02:14):
the other offerings they can put on there. So rugby
and cricket, netball as well. All the major sports in
New Zealand have to have to now factor in free
to wear in their broadcast dealings. And it's the balance
that you strike because if you're a pay per view

(01:02:34):
operative of your Sky, you don't want anything on free
to wear. You want everything on pay per view ideally,
because that means that people have to if they want
to watch rugby, cricket, whatever it is, they have to
buy a subscription. But the codes, yes, they need the
money from the broadcast deal. What did Colin say, sixty

(01:02:55):
seventy percent of the revenue of some of these sporting
organizations comes from broadcast. They need the money, they need it,
but they want to expose their sport through free to air.
It is the great balancing act. It is the great
tension between revenue and exposure. So how do you do it?
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think having TVNZ

(01:03:18):
and the sports rights game is good for the sports,
isn't it. Competition for rights will drive the price up.
It has to when Sparksports were in the market. That's
why the that's why the current or the Sky Rugby
deal that is about to run out was so high

(01:03:39):
because New Zealand Rugby saw a competitive tension in the
market and said to Sky, hey, well you know we're
talking with Spark as well, and so Sky had to
up there bid. It's going to come down this time
because there's no competition in the market. I'm pretty sure
TVNZ aren't in for the aren't in for the for

(01:04:01):
the rugby rights. It is basically an exclusive negotiation or
between us on Rugby and Sky, but it'll be far
less than what they paid before because there isn't another competitor.
And the FIFA World Cup again, like I say, not confirmed,
not confirmed yet, but there are many well placed sources
who have told me that it's a done deal that

(01:04:24):
the World Cup, the FIFA World Cup next year will
be on TV in Z but you will have to
pay for some of it. There'll be a free to
wear element. And I'm just balling here, Okay, I don't
know anything more than this. I'm just blue skying. But
for me, if you're TV and Z, you put the
All Whites games on free to Aware, the all Whites
will play three group matches and then if they make

(01:04:45):
it out of the groups, some knockout games for me,
if your TV and Z you put those on Fredaware,
you have to, you have to. But there are one
hundred and four games. You probably put a couple of
the night. You've probably got a knockout, a bunch of
knockout games as well, probably the final on free to air.
But with one hundred and four matches you can have

(01:05:05):
a signific can portion behind the paywall. So what you'll do,
and again I'm spitballing and I'm just sort of you
know this is I guess what's going to happen is
that you will buy a World Cup Pass from TV
and Z. You'll pay TV and Z a price and
I don't know what their price is for a World
Cup Pass, which will give you access to all of

(01:05:26):
the matches and that will be streamed. It'll be it
won't be on one of their normal channels like a
like a TV and Z one or two or Duke
or any of those. It'll be on a streaming platform.
You'll log in and you'll watch it watch the game's streaming.
And what they can do with their free to air
stuff is they can advertise that right across the free

(01:05:46):
to air stuff. Every time they have a free to
air game, they can say, hey, are you enjoying this? Well,
if you want access to the whole lot, log on
to TVNZ, dot CO, dot INZ or whatever it is
and buy a World Cup pass Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty number nine, two ninety two anything you
want to pick up on free to wear? How important
is it to you? Would you buy the World Cup
next year as a one off thing? I mean? And

(01:06:08):
then you can say, okay, well would you buy the
Olympics in a similar fashion? This takes some colls oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine to two.
On text, We're back in a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Month of the biggest seams in sports are on Weekend
Sports with Jason Paine and GJ. Junnomes, New Zealand's most
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Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
News Talks AB and Weekend Sport Talking Sports, broadcasting, paywall,
free to wear, all that sort of stuff. Heaps of
texts coming through spear line. If you want to jump
on though, I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Just
before we move live Sport Chatham Cup quarter final number
four being played at Saxton Oval or Saxton's Field actually
the ovals where they play Cricket Saxons Field and Nelson,

(01:06:51):
a place well known to any McDonald one. All at
full time between Nelson Suburbs and Birkenhead United, so into
extra time they go. Two of the semi finals yesterday
needed extra time as well to be decided and this
one will too. Big crowd turning up and Nelson they're
certainly the underdogs, but a big day there for them.
They were one kneel down, found an equalizer and now

(01:07:14):
we're in the extra time and if they can't be
separated after thirty minutes then the dreaded penalty shootout will result.
We'll keep eyes on that for you from Nelson, where
unsurprisingly the sun is shining. Tony says, I don't care
about cricket all League behind a paywall, but jeez, I've
got to be able to see my Super rugby and
my test matches or I might need therapy. That's a

(01:07:37):
crazy thing, isn't it. Pre Sky You know if it
was suggested to you what I know thirty years ago,
thirty five years ago, that you're going to have to
pay for your pay to watch your rugby. It'd be
outrage uproar, what do you mean, not paying to watch
my sport? Of course, now it is the it is
the norm. John says Bindy. We've been loving the free

(01:07:59):
to wear niitball game every week. We've loved the season
until the Polse got knocked out. Yeah again, it's it's
just exposing the sport to as wide an audience as possible.
Ken says, for me, it'll be the MPC negotiations, which
are the ongoing conversation for the rugby rights. How much

(01:08:20):
of the NPC turns up on Fredaware. I don't think
we're going to see any All Blacks tests on Fredaware,
certainly not live anyway. I really can't see that happening.
Super Rugby probably the same. There were some Super Rugby
games weren't there on fredawear on Sky open during the year,
seem to remember that there were. But yeah in PC.
In PC might be where the freeedoware element of the

(01:08:42):
new rugby deal comes in. Certainly with TV three now
in the stable of Sky, it might be that. Probably
not on TV three as we know it, Maybe one
of their other channels or on their streaming platform that
you'll be able to watch in PC freedaware text here.
And it makes a very good point. Until everyone has

(01:09:02):
affordable interinet access and nationwide broadband, this may not work.
Fredow has become a privilege, it seems. Yeah, again, the
balance is the balance. A couple of emails actually on
the rugby before we move, one from Dylan who is

(01:09:23):
in Australia Pinty watching that game last night. The refs,
including our own Ben o'keeff, bottled that decision in the
game between the Lions and Australia World Rugby, and the
officials have said time and time again direct contact with
their head and neck with force is a penalty and
at least a yellow card. Secondly, even if we say

(01:09:43):
that decision was okay, the cleaning player pancakes on the ball,
so it should have been a penalty for sealing off anyway.
But the refs put the whistle away, didn't want to
make the big call at the big moment, which is
in my view pretty disgraceful. I thought it was a penalty.
I thought it was a penalty on second look. At

(01:10:05):
first look, I didn't pick up but on the second
look he makes contact with that with the neck. Should
have been a penalty. We should be going into next
weekend with a one all scoreline. Hi Jason, Another Jason here.
I'm a Lion supporter. I feel gutted for Australia with
the blatantly incorrect refereeing decision. Well, we'll touch on this

(01:10:25):
more after two o'clock when Brett McKay. Brett McKay joins
US twenty one to two. Let's take a break come
back with James mcconey in his regular Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Slot, Don't get caught off Side eight eight Weekend Sports
with Jason Payne and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most
trusted home builder.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
News Talks NB one forty two one News TALKSB Sunday afternoon.
We always chat to James mcconey. Hello mate, how's your weekend?

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:10:50):
Good, thanks Pony, Yeah, good weekend. I'm still some sport
out there. Not a bad Saturday with the wires and
the Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Let's talk the Lions. Did you think that was a penalty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
At the end?

Speaker 16 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I did think it was a penalty, and I
know it happens a lot with when you've got a
jackler over the ball. But the top players find a
way to clean those guys out because generally if you
if your head's pointing down towards the ground, they'll clean out.
They'll grab their back or under their outpits or you know,
even their their waists sometimes to sort of move them
from the spot. But you can't have direct shoulder contact

(01:11:26):
to the back of the head and neck like that
and not give a penalty, because it really is a
yellow car defense. I think your previous text has said that.
So by ignoring that, I think that the problem is
they're focusing on Tazano's dive the Hollywood, and I think
that's that's not the point. The point is that he
was actually hitting the back of the head and you

(01:11:48):
have to give that as a penalty. And obviously the
Australian directors TV directors were doing their best to show
them all the angles. And you can even say that
Jack Morgan that got the cleaner if you will, from
the Lions. He left his feet as well to make
that clean out, which is not supposed to do either.
And they were being very picky in the breakdown every

(01:12:10):
other for every other minute of that game. Pinty, So yes,
it was a penalty. Yes, Australia should have won it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah, And I think today, if that penalty is given
and Australia win the Test match, I think there's probably
fewer arguments around than there are today. I mean, again,
you can't take the context of the series into account,
but had they given the penalty, Australia win the Test
match and all of a sudden we've got a blockbuster
series decider in Sydney next week. Again, I know that's
not the point, but I'm not sure that you get

(01:12:38):
as much argument if you give that penalty exactly.

Speaker 16 (01:12:41):
I think if you give the penalty, people are saying
there might be a few people saying game's gone soft
all that sort of stuff. Look, I know there's lots
of jacklers out there. You probably would be good to
talk to someone like Duplasy Kiddy Fee and to mark
their tather tab nahwei. How many times do you get
hit in the back of their head or neck and
the ref doesn't care? Because I've said this on your
show probably a couple of years ago, I think it's

(01:13:03):
one of the bigg anomalies or you know, sort of
blind spots and Rugby that they're not picking up on
that head contact. And you could say the same for
you know, picking go close to the line, the person
picking and going is going low, the tackler's going low.
It's pretty much like mountain goats on you know, National
geographics sort of thing, where there is heat contact, but

(01:13:25):
it's just ignored. So that's where Rugby's got to now.
They've tried to set these parameters and now they've ignored them,
which I think is the biggest problem with last night.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I also think actually that you know, the Wallabies should
have been able to hold a twenty three to five lead.
I thought they were really good in the first half hour.
A couple of the tries they scored, Joseph Suli was
involved in one of them, and you finally you know
understand why it is that they are so keen on
this bloke exactly.

Speaker 16 (01:13:57):
I mean, I think that the way they went for
Joseph Seuer is probably the smartest thing they've done in
a while. Australian rugby Eddie Jones is the dumbest getting
back but signing so early from Roosters from the NRL,
it was a big battle for a signature when he
was a rugby star as a youngster at school and
then they lost out to league. But getting him back

(01:14:19):
it just shows how much that one player can make
a difference than the team's sport. Because yes we'll scouting
Rob Valentini Bolsted. The pack and the forwards were a
lot better, but that move it was just absolute champagne rugby.
You know, a set play from inside their own twenty
two really or just outside their twenty two, just flowing
the whole length of the field. That's where rugby I

(01:14:41):
think is at its best. And I mean you have
to congratulate that both teams on the series. I think
it's been better rugby than what we saw with the
All Blacks against France, you know, just just for I
guess the expanse of play. A lot more long passes,
some of them don't work, but hey, they regroup, they
get the ball backs, you know, thirty seconds later because

(01:15:03):
everyone's box kicking, so who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
And massive crowds too. Was it ninety thousand there last night?
I know the lines are well supported with man, what
an atmosphere there at the g last night. Hey are
the Warriors thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:15:18):
Well, let's start with the way hen Now I thought
they were. Actually they battled back so well, and then
it was the same issues, which was not being clinical
in the sort of danger zone really, and I think
that's tough because it is a team that's only just
been brought together this year, so that's okay. I think
they did learn though, really what it's like to have

(01:15:40):
someone who's absolutely lightning in the other team. That the
Titans had two players in particular who are just so
vital to their go forward and everything they did, so
maybe they need to I mean, you've only got one
michaela break, but you need to sort of work out
where you place your wheels around the field with the men.
I just thought that the Titans have just got their number,

(01:16:03):
do they? Because even when the Titans went down, they
were they went flustered. Karen for and had an incredible game.
The old veteran on the left side for the left
edge for the Titans, and really they everyone knows about
Lequa Halla Sima now right, the cat is out of
the bag. Leckers scored a try, made an incredible run,

(01:16:24):
but they still managed to deal with that and take
down the Warriors. So for me, Piney, the issue was
one of the ones we've talked about before. Yeah, who
are the danger? Mean Lequa Roger looked good. You need
more dangers because if you've got two players that that
the opposition really have to have alarm dolls four it's
not enough. You really need five. So the great Melbourne

(01:16:47):
Storm teams doesn't matter who comes in like Pappenhausen can
be incredible, but they're also got their head on a
swingle for the Xavier Coats and Cameron Munster and the rest,
you know, I mean meaning as well. So that's where
we're left. I think we've just got too fewer focal points.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Do you reckon they're still top four?

Speaker 16 (01:17:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:17:12):
I think so.

Speaker 16 (01:17:13):
I mean when he is an incredible coach, and I
think he's probably learned that even getting rid of Tame
turpic He was a mistake because he does provide I
guess that other line breaker option, and you know, when
it gets down to it, we sitt of need someone
like that. I think that what they should be looking

(01:17:33):
at though, is that last week they should be treating
like a loss if it wasn't for Lequa's incredible try
one of the greatest tries in the NRL history at
the death when we're trying for a miracle drop goal
from distance. It wasn't for that try, that's that's really
a loss, right if it wasn't for that one little moment.
So basically be saying, Okay, we're in a slump. Now

(01:17:55):
we've got to actually climb out of it. And and
so I think it is time for going back to
the drawing board on a few things that they thought
were going to work. And waiting and being out is
a big problem because I think with that head knock,
he's not available next week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
No, he's definitely not. So you're right, there's another change
coming there. A couple of other matters am Z Premiership
Netball Final this afternoon, a couple of hours away, two
time defending champion Mystics, the Tactics who have never won it.
Who you got here?

Speaker 16 (01:18:23):
I'm going to go maybe against the grain and go
for the Tactics. I think Donna Wilkins formerly Donna Loughhagen
has just brought some steely resolve forgive the pun because
she is just one of those coaches who caused it
as she see it, sees it, and all those players
have responded to her, let's say brutal honesty, earthy language

(01:18:45):
and just you know, the vibe of a winner's mentality.
So she is, she's tough, she's got that southern grit
and I think the tactics will go there, you know,
just feeling confident anyway. The mystics though, look, no grass
and wiki hasn't really slowed them down. They are sort
of like a classic what would you call it, Like

(01:19:07):
a free flowing team that just seem to sort of
be telepath it with their play. But yeah, I'm going
for Donna and her girls from down south.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
All right. And it's been confirmed this week. I think
it's been generally understood for a while that there we
know Auckland FC women's team in the coming season. That
was the original plan that having stood the men's team up,
they would do the same with the women and the
women would compete in the Women's A League in the
season ahead. That will now have to wait for at
least one more season. I'm a bit gutted about this.
I love the men's derby so much I was looking

(01:19:39):
forward to the women's ones.

Speaker 16 (01:19:41):
Yeah, this is a massive kicking the guts for people
who love football, for women playing football in Auckland and
fans of women's football in the Queen's city, the city
of Sales. So look, it really is a big backtrack.
And I know that there's financial concerns from the A
League saying, look the competition runs at the lost, we

(01:20:02):
can't afford to check another team into the mix. So
that's one fact. But the other factor is, like I
think Auckland they see probably need to front foot this
a bit more and say what the plan is and
what's going to happen, because you know, if you're an
aspiring footballer in Auckland, and when they launched Aukland the FC,
they said this is the team for all of Auckland,

(01:20:22):
you know, so they need to leave let all of
Auckland know, especially women's football is exactly where they stand,
what the plan is next when the trials are what,
you know, when they're planning to assemble them and muster
all the players. So that's I just think it's been
a little handled clunkily and it's not really a good

(01:20:46):
look for a team that sort of had a really
like a pr sort of like ridden a wave. It's
been a dream for them so far, but this this
isn't great.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Got to leave it there for today, mate, Always love
chatting sport with you. Should we do it again next Sunday?

Speaker 16 (01:21:01):
Why not? Finey, let's talk next Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Let's do it mate. You have a great week. James
mcconey A big part of our Sunday afternoons here on
Weekend Sport. Coming up seven away from two when.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
It's down to the line. You made a call on
ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine, News Talk zeb.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Text on the Fredaware issue. My son's eighteen loves playing cricket.
I took him to watch a game at the last
World Cup in New Zealand. He had no idea about
the game before then because there was no cricket on Fredaware.
As a single mum, I realized he was missing out
on learning about heats of sports. So I got Sky
so he could watch and learn about a lot of sports.
He got into them and loves it to this day.
Fredaware is necessary for exposure because not everyone can afford Sky,

(01:21:45):
Thank you very much. Indeed. Nelson Suburbs have gone ahead
of Birkenhead an extra time in their Chatham Cup quarter
final halftime. In extra time, Nelson Suburbs lead Birkenhead two
to one as they look for passage into the final
four of football's Chatham Cup. After two o'clock we'll get
across the Tasman Wallaby's British and Irish lines. Big controversy

(01:22:06):
end of that game, which way should it have gone?
Brett McKay out of Australia, And then we'll preview the
A and ZED Premiership Final mystics, the tactics inside both
camps ahead of the grand Finals.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after field. It's all on Wi James Sport with
Jason Vaine on your home of Sport.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Talk Hello there and welcome in or welcome back. This
is Weekend Sport for another hour or so. Then we'll
hand over to the Weekend Collective Starrington Beverick. It's two
o seven. I'm Jason Pine with Any McDonnell producing the show.
What's coming up? Between now and three we go state side,
Leon Busby, our American sports expert, updating us on all

(01:22:52):
matters American sport. At the back end of the hour,
we will get you inside both teams involved in the
A and Z Premiership Netball final four o'clock this afternoon
Live commentary on Gold Sport Mikayla pscle Beatson out of
the mystics, Ali Bird out of the tactics very shortly
will drill down into this win by the Lions, the

(01:23:14):
British and Irish lines, that is last night against the
Wallabies in front of ninety thousand and Melbourne, and in
particular the controversy that engulfed the game near the end
and is still wagging tongues today. If you saw it
and have a view, we can open the lines on
that as well. Lines are open all afternoon oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two if

(01:23:35):
you would preferred to correspond via text. Nelson Suburbs still
lead Burke and then United two to one late and
extra time in their Chatham Cup quarter final and wonderful
Nelson as Suburbs. Nelson Suburbs look to make it into
the final four, but with the time just ticking past
eight past two. As we always do on weekend Sport

(01:23:56):
after the two o'clock news, we get you across some
of the stuff you may have missed in case you
missed it, sporting wise, starting on the Tour de France,
an incredible ride from Caden Groves saw Australia get their
second stage win in just a few days on this
year's tour.

Speaker 17 (01:24:15):
What an incredible ride.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Courageous, absolutely courageous.

Speaker 18 (01:24:21):
This rider is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Now a stage winner in all three Grand Tours.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
The emotion breaks out solo when Caden Grove Stage twenty
he's a sprinter in the unfamiliar conditions of holding on
in a breakaway group last stage tonight, tado forgatcha in
yellow a foreman a lead, that us a ceremonial ride
for him down the shops, so he say. Meantime, in

(01:24:47):
caden Grove's homeland, Australia, the Penrith Panthers absolutely flying in
the NRL relitless really.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Trove number six, trown number six in win seven in
a row.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Thirty six points to two. The Panthers running over the
top of the Tiger's hard to work though for the
shots against the Rabbin Hoss the.

Speaker 18 (01:25:22):
High kick goes up tass on the wing dumped down
at Mullettalla, Kennedy Kep said, still the last five volet
Braly's over pro is in three at body work from
bullet taller and then the finish and Cronolla gave their
second track.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
And it tried just enough to get them across the
line fourteen points to twelve to Motorsport Max for stamp
and returning to the winner's circle.

Speaker 19 (01:25:46):
He's victorious. It's far on this Saturday afternoon. Max the
staff and leads home. Oscar Piastree and Lando Norris McLaren
were a very healthy points all. But it's for Stappen
win the victory number one and he was number one
on the road today.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
That's Max for step and taking out the sprint race
and Old Jim the actual Formula one race overnight tonight,
Liam Lawson ninth on the grid and the black Caps
winners of their first tournament of Rob Walter's reign as
head coach. There we go last.

Speaker 19 (01:26:18):
Delivery swing of the merse and New Zealand they've been undefeata.

Speaker 17 (01:26:23):
Then they take home the victory and star.

Speaker 19 (01:26:27):
The black Caps in hourrarah, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
The scoop from the track fields and the court on
your home of sort weekends for it with Jason Vine
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Inb eleven past two, the British and Irish Lions have
edged Australia twenty nine to twenty six in a thrilling
rugby test in front of ninety thousand fans in Melbourne,
courtesy of a last minute try to Hugo Keenan, wrapping
up the series two nil with one game to spare.
The try was awarded despite Wallaby's flanker Carlo Tizzano appearing

(01:27:03):
to have been illegally cleaned out in the build up
by Lions reserve back rower Jack Morgan. The referees had
a look at it afterwards voted at the same time,
rock player, who's roughing? We don't see any four playing
trice down.

Speaker 17 (01:27:22):
Maybe try for the Lions. What a combat for the Lions?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
And the trophy is going back to.

Speaker 17 (01:27:44):
The Northern headyfield.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
If he had to say the decision wasn't universally agreed
with his former Wallaby Morgan totanui afterwards, but the end.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Is a penalty to the Wallabies and the referees were
too weak to give it. It doesn't matter you cannot
hit a guy in the back of the neck. The
referees have got it wrong. It has cost the Wallaby's
survival of the series. The British and Irish science lead
this series tool it was crave to come back from them,
but it is a terrible decision with the Scientist.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Match there you go. Not a lot of gray area there.
From Morgan to the Neui. The lines had overcome an
eighteen point deficit after three first half tries and eight
minutes for Australia. Let's bring in our favorite Australian rugby voice,
Brett McKay. Hear him on the eight nine Combo Rugby podcast.
Read him at RugbyPass dot com. Brett, Let's start at

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the end. Was it an illegal cleanout?

Speaker 20 (01:28:44):
It didn't look great, I'll say that up up front,
but having looked at it a few more times so
it certainly it wasn't clear. I didn't think and I
know Joe Schmidt teed off postmatch about protecting welfare of
players and things like that, but it kind of, I
don't know, on a few viewings afterwards, it kind of

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looked like he's probably come down on back of shoulders
and maybe neck and so you know, maybe that's where
maybe maybe it's the maybe that it makes it a
makes it makes it a still a highly contentious moment.
But it always felt like, in particularly in those last

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five minutes, it was going to come down to a
big decision like that, and it was just a matter
of where's it going to come on, which part of
the field, who's in possession. You know how much time
lists on the clock and you know there we were
eightieth minute and it all happened. And the feeling the
next morning, mate, I've got to say is still every

(01:29:46):
bit is gutting and deflating as it was trying to
come back to the hotel and you know, wind.

Speaker 13 (01:29:53):
Out last night.

Speaker 20 (01:29:53):
It's just one of those real, real gut punches that
just hits you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Some of the rugby. The Wallabies played the first half
out as good as I've seen and I'll get your
view unless in recent times how much optimism did that
give you last night? And does it give you I
guess moving forward even though this is deflating.

Speaker 20 (01:30:12):
Yeah, look it has to mate, it and your spot
on it was you know, it was probably the it
was probably the most comprehensive you know, thirty four thirty
five minutes of the first half that we've seen from
this playing group. You know, the we've been We've been
talking on the eight nine all week about them having
to you know, start well, get out to a lead early,

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extend it. What really really pushed the Lions because we
hadn't seen that of them this this tour. The only
time that the Lirens had trailed at halftime was in
Dublin against Argentina. And so you know, the Reds, the Brumbies,
even the Warrior tak to an extend to the First
Nations game here in Melbourne on Tuesday night. You know,
they they sort of try to try early on and

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the Lions had to try to really catch up to
play the game. But at no point on tour had
the Lions trailed and really had to play to get
back into the game. And so you know, to build
believed that they did was just absolutely fantastic and you're right,
played some brilliant rugby, you know, a lot more physical
in the carry. Found a way to get Joseph SUALII

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involved at thirteen and it was his little little left
footstep to straighten that put Tom puts Tom right away
from halfway. So you know, a really really good piece
of rugby. So look going forward, mate, it's got to
bring optimism because you know they've they've pushed one of
the very best teams in the world, you know, all

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the way and you know, probably probably could have could
make arguments for them for them winning that game. So
that's it's got to give them belief, it's got to
give optimism and it's got to be a step forward
for a straight and rugby from here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Tell us about the lines come back though, from twenty
three to five down. What did they do differently? How
did they get themselves back into the match.

Speaker 20 (01:31:54):
Yeah, it was one of those things that there was
always going to be a response and we've seen we
have seen in games before halftime and we see this
against New Zealand and we certainly said against South Africa
as well. The top team always managed to find a
gear in those five minutes either side of halftime, don't
they And there was just a feeling of they you know,
like twenty twenty three five would be great, ye, but

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they really got to make sure it doesn't get it
doesn't get not narrowed and then you know they score
that it's second try of curries and that was just
a little bit soft. I think they the Lions are
able to get back into the Wallabies half and then
and then twenty two I think way too easily and
then the third try probably hit them while they're on

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the back foot.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
Where's that?

Speaker 20 (01:32:40):
You know, where's that try come from? Oh, now we've
conceded another one. And so you know, suddenly, as say
twenty three ten at halftime they probably could have taken,
but twenty three seventeen it probably changes the messaging at
half time, you can imagine that twenty three ten, the
messaging is really really positive. You know, it's a good lead, boys,
let's go out score first, extend that, put them on
the back foot again. Do what we've been doing. Twenty

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three seventeen, though, suddenly it's all, you know, boy, this
is what we could have but this is what we
could have been doing instead. We've got to now do this.
And you know, they did score first, they did that penalty,
but that was and that was about the fifty third,
fifty fourth minute. And after that point I actually wasn't
one hundredscent sure where the points were going to come

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from from the Wallabies, and that was always a danger.
Was twenty six points for me enough? It never felt
really felt like it was going to and certainly in
the last quarter there was just no points coming and
and no real threat of points coming from the rumby
from the Brumbies from the lines at that point back to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Back t Stants and the team jersey for Tom Liiner,
does he appeal as the long term Wallabies first five
to yet it feels like at.

Speaker 20 (01:33:47):
The moment made yes. Yes, And I think they had
a different shape about them last night. And I think
there was a much better connection with the midfield as well.
So the big adjustment that we noticed was that they
were playing, particularly when they were going wide to midfield,
they were playing a lot more before the game line

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rather than trying to burst sue a league through a
through a gap as he made contact in Brisbane. They
were really playing before the game line and letting him
do something, you know, with the time and space that
he had, and it did definitely work. There was a
few opportunities there to you know, for him to make
a few little line breaks, to get a few little
off loads away and things. So so Lina certainly takes

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takes credit for that. Obviously the game plan was was
tweaked to it to allow that. So yeah, I think
I think he does for now. Obviously, Noel la Ceo.
He is going to be out of action for the
next six months anyway, but him heading to Japan probably
meant he wouldn't have played the Rugby Championship. I can
I can imagine. I can actually imagine now all the

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guys that are heading overseas at the end of this
season probably now don't play the Rugby Championship, so there'll
be a few few players coming there. But I think
Tom Liner is the is the way forward until until
such time that the great next Australian fly half hope
through super.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Rug And does this actually add some spice to next
week's Suppose did rub a third test? I mean the
series decided, but a Wallaby side who feel that were
robbed last night perhaps deeply motivated to make sure they
get one back in Sydney.

Speaker 20 (01:35:23):
Yeah, look, I hope so, mate, I hope so. And
we had had this this very topic of conversation on
the on the eight nine post mortem straight out for
Full Time last night that you know, what does next
week look like? Do the Lions? Does Andy Farrell take
the opportunity to to go to Henry Pollock and Josh
Thunderflare and maybe Gary ring Rose of his fit to say,

(01:35:45):
you know, you guys are part of this. You get
on you get on the field here, Let's let's make
sure that we finish this three nail sweep equally, does
he go hard to make sure he does get that
three nail sweep? The Wallabies, I can imagine I'd actually
like to see Joe Schmid say to last night's twenty
three pending fitness brother, guys, don't and prove that we

(01:36:08):
can do it. Let's stop the stop the sweep at
any cost. So yeah, look, I think the Wally is
still a plenty of motivation. I'll be I'll be curious
to see what the what the Lions are like next
week because they would have had a big night last night.
It was already starting at the MCG before before we
managed to pack up in the in the media area.
At one point, suddenly the whole playing squad emerges out

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in the middle of the Melbourne Creek ground with plastic
chairs and they're sitting in a circle and they're obviously,
you know, having cheers and giving thanks for that. And
then suddenly Hugo Xenan has obviously been dispatched to the
corner to reenact the try and so suddenly he's just
just belted up for the try dive for the corner.
There was much celebrations and they were done, they walked
off and took their chairs with them, So you know,

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I can imagine Lions had a good night last night
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Great summary of a big night in Melbourn. Thanks so
much for joining us, Brett, really appreciate your time as
always good Thanks many, Thank you, Brett. Brett McKay know
one of our favorite correspondence here on Weekend Sport. I
thought it was a penalty. I thought it was a penalty.
I've looked at it a many times. I've looked at
it a dozen times. And the more you look at it,
it's like the law of diminishing return, isn't it. The

(01:37:17):
more you look at something sometimes the lest sure you are.
But I reckon it's a penalty. I reckon he's hit
him on on the neck with force and it has
to be a penalty. But I know that it's not.
The unanimously universally held view be keen on your views
of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Brennan says, how
does Morgan Tutanu get away with bagging wrists like that?

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He did the same after the Brumbies loss at the
Crusaders in the last few minutes of the Super rugby competition.
Other commentators speak with a balanced look at it. He
just can't help himself. The fact is the Aussies shouldn't
have been in that position and bring in that last
point is very salient. They were twenty three to five ahead.
Chris said Or says, I one hundred percent think it

(01:38:00):
was the right call to not penalize Jack Morgan. If
Keenan had not scored to should have been penalized for
terrible acting. Thanks Chris. Good Afternoon, says Mike. I thought
it was fifty to fifty. Great game the AUSSI should
have wrapped it up well before that, Thanks Mike. Phil
says I was gathered by that decision. I thought it
was a penalty. Plus I had forty bucks on the

(01:38:21):
assis and under I thought I was in for a
good payday. Bugger. Scott Barrett says this TeX's got a
red card for a similar clear out against the box
in twenty twenty three. Surely it is at least a penalty.
I think it is. I think it is a penalty.
Hallo Piney says this text glorious day and marsterden no
surprise is there. Watching rugby last night was like looking

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at Hereford balls the Lions playing Jersey steers the Wallabies.
It was disgraceful. The Northern Hemisphere players have no skill,
just braun. The Reef was intimidated by the Lions captain
all the way through the game. Our ben was really
a co ref it's been oky. Of course they were
too scared to make the correct decision at the finish.
As for the diving try at the beginning, this is

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the other one. He is the diving try. What to
defend teams do now is they have to tackle low down.
I won't be watching the third Test. Thank you for
your text. Think of your text and on email from
Mahendra and this is a really well thought out email.
Whether it was the correct or incorrect decision, the question
is what do we want. Here's a few examples when

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the lines will ask. In New Zealand, the ar bullied
the reef into changing his correct decision to an incorrect
one and deny the all Blacks are shot at a
penalty to win the game. In South Africa, we complained
when the TMO didn't interfere and rule out a South
African try and Duaneeda and we complained about too much
TMO interference and asked that the Reefs make the call.

(01:39:47):
There was the Fiji game with going back many phases,
not to mention the last Rugby World Cup. Fine, and
last night the ars didn't interfere. They went with the
ref's call and the TMO didn't interfere, and now we're
complaining again. It's a good point, Mahendra. The governing body
and US fans need to decide what it is that
we am actually want. Two twenty four Nelson Suburbs are

(01:40:10):
through to the semi finals of the Chatham Cup. They
join Wellington Olympic Eastern Suburbs and Auckland United in the
pot for the final four. Scenes of celebration in Nelson
as they closed it out over Birkenhead in extra time.
When we come back, it's the Netball an Z Premiership
Final four o'clock this afternoon on Gold Sport, Northern Mystics

(01:40:33):
against the Tactics. We'll get inside both camps and mo the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend Sport
with Jason Vane and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealand's most
trusted home builder News talksv.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Two twenty eight an Zed Premiership Netball Final four o'clock
this afternoon, Live commentary over on gold Sport from four o'clock,
the two time defending champion Mystics will host.

Speaker 21 (01:40:55):
Its favor and why and what a performance from the Mystics.
They march into the Franz Final once again and set
it drumpting on their home court and they will host
the decider in two weeks time, and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
That is this afternoon. They're up against the Tactics at
Trust's Arena in Auckland. Let's bring in Mystics captain Mikaela
sokolch beats and McKayla. What a season nine wins, just
the one defeat clean number one. How did you achieve
such remarkable consistency this year?

Speaker 22 (01:41:29):
Yeah, great, Christian. I was smiling when you said, like
two time champion. It's actually nice to hear that. I
forget sometimes that that's the position we'reing. I think the
team did it through just using our entire group, like
at times we were forced to because of injuries. But
I think as well the coaches gave people opportunities because
of what they were doing at training. And I think

(01:41:51):
the fact that you can turn to your bench and
know that there's someone ready to go on. It just
puts a really nice quiet confidence in the group.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Of course, after the loss of Grace Wiki, I think
a lot of people thought, right, the mystics aren't going
to be the same side. They've lost their major threat
in the shooting circle. How did you adapt so well
to life without Grace?

Speaker 22 (01:42:11):
It's a good question, like she was awesome, she is awesome,
where we were sad to see her go, but knew
that that was mean she needed to do for her stuff.
But then we also got a shooter like to now
an Australian international, somebody who absolutely didn't dominate.

Speaker 7 (01:42:26):
A goal circle.

Speaker 22 (01:42:27):
We had Fielder and Hannah and even Peter step up
in that goal attack role, and then Sophia come on.
I just think we did it in a real collective
way and everyone knew what their job was and how
we had to adjust our game plan to work with
the people we now had.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Did you consciously before the season started work on a
different way of playing? I guess and you'll be able
to confirm this that when Grace Week is in the
shooting circle, there's a temptation just to try and find
her every time. Did you have to consciously come up
with a different kind of game plan.

Speaker 22 (01:42:58):
Yeah, you do when you got when you've got a
shooter who's like six foot three things foot four and
who can jump a massive vertical jump, that was a
huge advantage, right, and just Petter could feed her beautifully.
So yeah, we definitely had to change up the way
we had to play. But I think that has just
added to the strength of everybody's like skills set, and

(01:43:18):
I think, yeah, we were very conscious on how we
were going to try and develop our skills so we
could play a different brand and netball.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
So just one defeat that was to the tactics. Of course,
so you play in the final. I know you never
like to lose matches, but in hindsight, was it a
good thing to remove any possibility of complacency for the final?

Speaker 22 (01:43:38):
Yeah. We we didn't turn up in that game at all.
Like I've said in a couple of in whos we were,
we weren't good and we were so disappointed with ourselves.
It definitely made us look at ourselves quite hard. We
reflected a lot throughout that week and that is something
that we've been holding on.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
To a little bit.

Speaker 22 (01:43:56):
Okay, what did we do and that how did we
go and that why did things break down? So yeah,
definitely something that I think the mystics needed to just
keep our focus.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Really, last year you won it from third, you had
to come through away games in the playoffs. You beat
the Tactics and the Polse both away. How different a
scenario is it this year with just the one playoff
game the grand final on your home court.

Speaker 22 (01:44:19):
Yeah, it's different. It's a lot different. We did it
this way the year before and won, and then last
year we had to do all the elimination final and that.
It's different when you've got two weeks to sit on
the factor in the final, it's different in terms of
people talk about it. For two weeks, you get a
weekend off playing, so you get a little bit a

(01:44:42):
different sort of routine.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:44:46):
I think there's pros and cons to each way about it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
How did you spend your weekend off and in fact,
I guess the last two weeks since you last played
to make sure you get that balance right between refreshing
but also staying switched on.

Speaker 22 (01:44:59):
Yeah, it's hard, one mate, And it's one of those
things that's kind of like damned if you do, Damned
if you don't. It's going to be positives and negative.
It's kind of however you do it. We played a
game last Friday and then we did our own conditioning
on Saturday. We did try to give the bodies a
little bit of reprieve earlier on in the two weeks,

(01:45:19):
just to recover, but then this week we have been
honing in and everything has been tough.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
So you are the two time defending champions.

Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
The steel won two straight in twenty seventeen and eighteen.
The Pulse to that in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty.
No one's ever won at three on the bounce. How
determined ay to become the first team to do that?

Speaker 22 (01:45:38):
We are determined. It's actually not. I think we've spoken
a lot about until yesterday and our team meeting, and yeah,
we were like, man, that would be that would be
epic and that would be cool. But we also know
that the tactics are in a bit of a different
position is there haven't won, so they're really gunning for it.
You know, it's there for the taking, but then it's
our two. So I think both teams have a very

(01:45:58):
similar fight in them, but for different reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
And as you say, you know, you did it in
two different ways the last couple of seasons and different
grand finals as well, and nailed by the last year,
and they're in a very comfortable victory of the year before.
So there's two different ways. It might go on the
weekend or somewhere in between. But are there things that
are common to all grand finals that you have to
do particularly well?

Speaker 22 (01:46:22):
Yeah, I think like you've got to turn up. Like
final netball is so different to regular games. It sounds
really weird because you're playing the same people. You're like,
why would it be you want to win every game
but final netborll If you watched the Tactics Pulls Damn Man,
that was a game of two halves and it was tart.
I was watching, thinking, well, this is brutal. The Tactics

(01:46:43):
had three losses in the second half. That's unheard of
the netball. That just shows that they stepped up and
they were ready for the challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
And for you, it's you know, a distant memory now,
I know, but you had that terrible time of things
with your achilles in successive years. I think you had
all the bad luck of a whole career sort of
rolled into a couple of years. How do you reflect
back on that time now?

Speaker 22 (01:47:04):
Yeah, honestly, it just makes grateful that people still believed
I could do my job. There was definitely times I
thought that no one was going to want me again
because I'd look at me as the same injury prone girl.
And the fact that I've been able to come back
and prove the people that I actually am strong and
my body is fighting that. But then also have people
that have believed in me as Yeah, definitely maybe just

(01:47:27):
grateful to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Do you let yourself think about lifting up that trophy
again on Sunday early evening?

Speaker 22 (01:47:33):
No, honestly, no, I don't want to think about it
just yet. I I just want to think about what
I need to do in the game, and yeah, I
don't want to get too caught up in the outcome
just yet.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Fair enough, fair enough too. Thanks Mikayla, all the best.
Mikayla Sokol Speaks and captain of the Mystics. Let's get
you inside the other camp, the Tactics and their place
in the final. With victory over the Pols last weekend,
they have.

Speaker 17 (01:47:57):
Been undefeated here in twenty twenty five and it will
stay that way.

Speaker 23 (01:48:06):
The tactics.

Speaker 19 (01:48:09):
Going back to the ain said Tendi a ship grand final,
an incredible comeback.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Half there home thanks tactic shooter, Ali birds with us.
Let's start there. How do you evaluate the win over
the Pulse in the elimination final last weekend, Alie.

Speaker 11 (01:48:29):
Well, it just felt very good, you know, really exciting,
really happy with the performance that we put out. Kind
of a game of two halves, but it just showed
what we can do. So no, very very happy about that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Yeah, it certainly seemed to change after halftime. Third and
fourth quarter was certainly in your favor. Were there any
specific conversations at halftime that turned the tide in the
second half?

Speaker 11 (01:48:52):
Oh, it was just a bit of like this could
be our last game, so what you know, how are
we going to go out and play our last half
of nitble? We can go out and play half a
game of nitble that leads to another game, So that's
what we did.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
You did indeed, also meant, of course, you went through
the entire home season unbeaten. So how proud of you
or how proud are you of that? As a team?

Speaker 16 (01:49:15):
Well, you know, that's awesome.

Speaker 11 (01:49:16):
I mean, our crowds are great. I mean personally, that's
my absolute favorite place to play. It's played a massive
role in my career. I suppose you could say, and yeah,
awesome crowd, and just you're very proud of the girls
that we can go out there, and you know, do
Kennbury proud?

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Well, we're into the final now, of course, this is
undoubtedly a difficult question to answer, but what is the
key to beating the double defending champion mystics?

Speaker 11 (01:49:47):
If we just stick to our processes, then we can
definitely do it. It's definitely a mindset thing. As long
as we just kind of believe in ourselves, I think,
and back each other up, you know, do everything that
we can actually empty the tank, then we can beat them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Well, you already have once this season, albeit at home.
You beat them back in round four. Now, in that game, Ellie,
you shot fifty from fifty. Is that your highest score
with one hundred percent shooting? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:50:20):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
I mean, what went so well for you in that game?

Speaker 17 (01:50:26):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:50:26):
I did actually miss a few, but they were just
called obstructions or contacts, you know, So I actually didn't
know because I still remember that I missed some even
though they weren't counted. I didn't even know until after
the game that I had got one hundred percent. So
I don't know, it just happens. I don't know what

(01:50:48):
to put it down to, just focusing on the current moment. Probably, yeah, well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Hope you can do a similar thing in the final.
It did lead to a win, of course. Is there
anything from that game that went over the mystics that
will be useful in trying to beat them again in
the final.

Speaker 11 (01:51:06):
We kind of went into that game whether we've got
nothing to lose attitude, which is the same thing that
we've got here now, well in the position that we're
currently in. So yeah, taking that I suppose.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Yeah, just looking at the stats and a CC you've
taken just the one two point shot this season. Was
it just sort of a hey, l Mary late in
the game or something.

Speaker 7 (01:51:31):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:51:32):
No, No, I was against the Magic and we were
by about ten. I was Magic. I can't remember that.
I had said to Donna. I was like, I just
want to put one up and she's like, well, don't
do it at a stupid time, and.

Speaker 13 (01:51:41):
I was like, okay, I won't.

Speaker 11 (01:51:43):
There was forty seconds to go and there's no chance
of them catching us. We're getting a bonus point in
that forty seconds, so I just had to go.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Yeah, well fair enough to it didn't go in unfortunately,
so so no success from it. But in wider terms,
what is the tactics team strategy with this new innovation
of the two point shot?

Speaker 11 (01:52:04):
I don't know if I can give that away. No, Well,
obviously it comes down to whether you're as a shooter.
You're confident because you know you can put pressure on
yourselves to shoot twos and if you're off, you're off
kind of thing. But if we want to score ones

(01:52:26):
off of all of our center passes, so if we're
taking twos, it will be offer once we've gained all
off their center.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Pass gotcha, gotcha. And obviously you're doing all your work
down at the attacking end. But can ask you about
a couple of your teammates at the other end of
the defensive circle, Jane Watson and Karen Berger who's played
a bit of wing defense but also goal defense for you,
How key have they been to your success this season?

Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:52:52):
Obviously they're, you know, very experienced players and they obviously
know they're yours very well. So yeah, they're just a
massive part of the I guess backbone of our team. Yeah,
I'd love to playing with him over the past, even
many years quite fear now, just yeah, you just know
that they're all that's going to do their job.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
So Tactics beaten finalists in twenty twenty and again in
twenty twenty one. How desperate are you to win one
of these things?

Speaker 18 (01:53:20):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
I would love to.

Speaker 11 (01:53:22):
BER's for me, I think, well, our whole team obviously
we would love to. You know, this is my eighth
season with the Tactics and we've raised massive strides over
that time. It would be good to just get that,
you know, final gold medals.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
And we all thought, I think that you'd retired, but
of course you came back last year to cover for
injury and ended up staying for the whole season. You've
played this entire season, So what are we just sort
of carrying on now?

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
So is this definitely it?

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
Yeah? This is it?

Speaker 11 (01:53:55):
Well I ne I say never say never, but for now,
this is it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
All right. Well, let's see what happens after the Grand Final. Hopefully,
if it is the end, you can go out on
a high alley. All the best you and to the
Tactics for the final against the Mystics. Thanks for the chat,
Thank you so much. No, thank you, Ellie, Ali Bird
there out of the tactics, Tactics Mystics. Four o'clock this afternoon,
live commentary over on Gold Sport, as we find our
a NZ Premiership champion for twenty twenty five, nineteen to three.

(01:54:22):
When we come back, we're state Side, Leon Busby with
the latest in American sport, the big issues on and
after fields.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Call oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport
with Jason Fine and GJ. Gunderholmes, New Zealand's first trusted
home Milder News talks at baby.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Coming up to forty five. Let's get state side with
Leon Busby, our American sports expert. Lot's happening on and
off the courts and the fields. Leon, can we start
on the Women's NBA and the T shirt saga? What
is this all about?

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
The afternoon?

Speaker 23 (01:54:55):
Jason, great to be back. So the WNBA. They held
their annual All Star Weekend with the usual events including
the Stills Challenge and three Point Contest and Your Star
Game itself last week and I was the hidden terms
of viewership numbers. Even though the face of the League
Indiana fevers Kate and Clark was out injured. However, Pineyer,
as you alluded to, the biggest headline from the weekend

(01:55:17):
was the All Star Game players wearing shirts saying pay
us what you owe us. Well, I don't love the slogan,
I do agree with the sentiment. So a bit of
background for transpiracy on this issue. So we know that
by professional tennis, most female athletes are woefully underpaid compared
to their male counterparts. The wire the minimum contracts so different. Well,

(01:55:38):
there are some major differences between the NBA and the
WNBA schedules and media rights deals. The NBA plays eighty
two regular season games and recently inked the new media
rights deal worth seven billion dollars a year. Meanwhile, the
w NBA plays forty four regular season games and has
a TV deal worth fifty million dollars per year. W

(01:56:00):
NBA players receive a pult we ten percent of total
revenue while NBA players receive fifty That's a huge disparity. However,
because of the popularity of THEWNBA has increased exponentially in
the last few years market the larger TV deal will
kick in next season at two hundred two hundred million dollars.

(01:56:20):
So last season alone, the WNBA lost forty million dollars
in an almost three decades since it began, has lost
over wait for it, three hundred million dollars, which is staggering.
So if you look at the payoffs what You Owe
Us campaign, the WNBA players have a point that this
needs to be put in proper, proper context. From a
solely financial perspective, the paid gap for women's basketball one

(01:56:44):
close over night. However, continued investment, visibility and collective bargaining
efforts of building the foundation for female athletes to earn
more of what they feel they deserve. The end of
the day, pinting professional athletes have paid commensurate with what
revenue their league makes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Absolutely right now, the mighty dollar now staying with basketball
and to the NBA. The sile are the Lakers for
sale for listen here?

Speaker 23 (01:57:10):
Yes, So, the LA Lakers made headlines recently when their
owners of forty six years sold the team in nineteen
seventy nine. The franchise was purchased by the Lake Jerry
buss Or Hall of Fame inductee for sixty seven point
five million dollars, which is a bit of a bargain
if you look back on that, and they were sold
recently for a record ten billion dollars, smashing the record

(01:57:30):
for sports franchise by almost four billion dollars. Now the
new owner, Mark Walter, who also happens to own the
World Series champion LA Dodgers. That's deep pockets and he
could possibly fuel the Lakers return to glory for who
for the most part, had been under women in the
last few years. Another news regarding the famed Purple and
Gold are persistent rumors of a possible move for one

(01:57:52):
of the greatest ballers in NBA history, one Lebron James.
He recently signed a U two year deal exercising his
player option, meaning he'll forego his free agent status. There's
still a possibility he'll move on, even though most of
his business interests are in La now. As recently as Friday,
reliable sources reported that James may be traded in a

(01:58:13):
wild five team trade deal, seeing him land back in
his hometown of Cleveland, where his NBA career began as
an eighteen year old straight out of high school. Even
at the edge of forty an entry in his twenty
third season, the first ballot Hall of Famer still seems
to be a major point of discussion on.

Speaker 13 (01:58:29):
And off the court.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
Absolutely, have you got a stat of the day for
us from the NBA?

Speaker 23 (01:58:33):
No, I have, yep, I'll go now. I should have
told you to bring your tinfoil hat.

Speaker 13 (01:58:38):
But here we go to say.

Speaker 23 (01:58:41):
He's not't believe it or not statistic. I wanted to
share with your audience that during the NBA regular season
this year, three of the biggest names in the league
shed something in common. If I could probably have the
X file, steam Hews explained of the background for affect.
But anyway, so all star players Damian Lillard of the
Milwaukee Bucks, Jason Tatum of the Boston Celtics, and Terres

(01:59:03):
Halliburton of the Indiana Paces suffered the same are chalice
tear injuries. And wait for it, they all wore the
same jersey number zero. There's that just weird or simply
a coincidence. Finding well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Wouldn't be wearing zero. I wouldn't be wearing zero of
the leagues. I'd be changing my seclear number. Look it is.
It is one of those I love. I love stats
and little anomalies like that. I love it. Hey, Major
League Baseball. Where are we with the Major League Baseball
season right now?

Speaker 23 (01:59:32):
Yes, So in the A League, we've got the A League,
the American League in the air now or the National League.
So in the A League we start in the East
where we have the Toronto Blue Jays from Canada. They're
actually leading all the teams in turn of the terms
of their winning percentage. Close behind them are the Detroit
Tigers and the Houston Astros. Now in the National League
we have the New York Mets, who have been the

(01:59:53):
best win and loss record and the highest winning percentage,
and close behind them are the Milwaukee Brewers and LA Dodgers.
Out of those sixteens, the Brewers. The Milwaukee Brewers are
on an eight to two tear in their last ten starts,
with a slightly low winning percentage in the Blue Jays,
and most people actually favoring the Detroit Tigers to come

(02:00:13):
out of the wild and actually make a push for
the World Series. But the Bear starts as you'd expect,
what the reigning champion LA Dodgers because their team is
absolutely stacked, so everyone's expecting them to win it in
the end.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Aaron Judge, the Yankees home run king, you got some
info on him.

Speaker 23 (02:00:32):
Yes, that he recently crushed his three hundred and fiftieth
career home run, the fastest and Major League Baseball history
to do so. So the outfielder, he's truly a physical space.
So I'm not sure you've seen him before, Pony, but
people want to see him in action. There's plenty of
highlights online to see the future Hall of Famer doing
what he does best. So I didn't put up a
background on him at high school. He started for his

(02:00:53):
high school basketball, football, and baseball teams and still was
destined for sporting greatness from a young age. Jug is
considered to be one of the best home run is
and right handed batters of all times. So he stands
at six foot seven, one hundred and twenty eight Telegram,
you could easily be mistaken for a tighty end or
middle linebacker for an NFL team. So the thirty three

(02:01:16):
year olds won multiple awards many times over and will
certainly be a first ballot with dipping into Cooperstown once
he hangs up his pinstripes, just like superstars Face of
the League Shohe or tiny Aaron Judges again odds on
favorite to win his third MVP in four seasons this year, however,
Poneer breaking his just this morning, who was reported that
Aaron Judges ruled out of today's lineup and is awaiting

(02:01:37):
results on image being performed on his right elbow. I
think it's fair to say the Yankees fans are nervously
waiting on the outcome of this injury, as Judge is
their main hope of making another deep running Octaber. So
we'll keep eyes on that developing story.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
We certainly will, and just to finish some NFL news
out of season at the moment, obviously, but the Steelers
and their latest contract signing hip.

Speaker 23 (02:01:57):
So in the NFL, every team is run underway with
mandatory training camps, but most interest is happening off the field,
much like the NBA. Pro Football has he lines galore
in the off season, and most of them this year
have been around the story Pittsburgh Students franchise. After finally
confirming Aaron Rodgers as their starting quarterback, which dragged on
or ad nauseum, the attention shifted to their future Hall

(02:02:19):
of Famer defenseman TJ. Watt So the All Pro linebacker
has been holding out for a new contract extension as
one of the leagues, a lead pass rushers since turning pro,
the threte year old who's entering his ninth season, and
the team front office.

Speaker 6 (02:02:32):
Finally agreed to terms with a new deal, a three year.

Speaker 23 (02:02:36):
One hundred and twenty three million dollar extension which comes
with yo. I can't believe in the mount sore. He's
guaranteed one hundred and eight million dollars fully guaranteed as signing,
making what the NFL's highest paid non quarterback. So the
forty one million dollars average per year puts them at
the top of the pile. Will now at least there
are a couple of other big name linebackers still holding

(02:02:57):
out and also looking the cash, and now that what
has reset the amount for the league? So what's the space?
Not batter if you can get to a pony. But
as I always allude to, its news is that the
NFL regular season kicks off and only forty days time.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
Bring it on, I know you're marking the days on
your wall, Leon, great deject you as always mately on
buzzby our American sports expert taking a state site seven
to three, coming up four to three. That's us on
weekend sport. Huge Thanks to Anna McDonald for producing. Thanks
mate and enjoy a couple of days off. Thank you
for listening in. It's greatly appreciated. As always, some beverage

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after three, the Lions sewing up the series last night
against the Wallabies and controversial fashion. They would have slept
well last night, said him a night on Sports Talk.

Speaker 1 (02:03:59):
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