Full Show Podcast: 27 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fyne
from newstalkst B. The Bledisloe Cup has been a constant
in the All Black's trophy cabinet for twenty two years.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
The Bleerslow Cup as Stelle's Ellen's.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
They have braced the Wabbies thirty eight seven.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
The Men in Black a dominant force in this trends
Tasman rivalry.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Bix hail to win the net. The All Blacks Hail
to the Bledislow.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
The Bledislope stays in New Zealand for another.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Year, but in twenty twenty five the Wallabies can smell
a chance.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Save suffered a defeat.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
The Wallaby swat jumps up, so boys shorts smart.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
They've also been victorious.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Oh my goodness, this is just so good.

Speaker 6 (00:51):
This is ecstasy.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
The Wallaby friends, Oh.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
My and under the tutelage of a Kiwi coach, they
have shown they are contenders, building up to the battle
for the Blow Live for the Kingslander in Auckland. It's
Weekend Sport with Jason Pne on your home of sports
news Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yesd Cure to good Afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:17):
Welcome into a very special edition of weekend sport on
News Talks EDB Saturday September twenty seven, led Terslow one
All Blacks v Wallabies, Eden Park five past five this afternoon,
We're going to get you all the way to kick
off with an extended five hour show. We're live at
the iconic Kingslander Bar on New North Road until three

(01:38):
o'clock this afternoon. We'll then relocate to the All Blacks
fan zone on Eden Park's Outer Oval from three o'clock onwards,
and then full live commentary of the All Blacks against
the Wallabies with Elliott Smith and a Strawn from five
o'clock and you can join us for instant reaction afterwards
as well if you like, going to take your calls
after the final whistle until around eight o'clock tonight. So settlin.

(02:01):
I'm Jason Pine. Show producer is Andy McDonnell. We've had
a great lineup for your World Cup winning Wallaby's captain
Nick Pharr Jones will lead us off shortly seventy nine
test All Black's lock Ian Jones on location after one
o'clock a bit later on All Black Centurion now Skysport
commentator Mills Muliaina with his views all blackswinger Lee roy
Carter ahead of his second test in the Black Jersey

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later on today and.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Some sporting royalty as well.

Speaker 7 (02:28):
Ryan Fox is gonna pop in here and join us
at the Kingslander for a chat after two o'clock and
Dame Lisa Carrington with us in the fan zone around
three point thirty this afternoon, and of course we'll bring
you all the color of the day, be it black
or be it green and gold.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
And that's where you come in.

Speaker 7 (02:46):
If you're in and around New North Road, please pop
in and see us at the Kingslander. Would love to
see you and maybe do some face to face talkback.
The fans already starting to arrive, so we'll read their
pulse across the afternoon. But wherever you are, please join
us in our build up lines open immediately and all
afternoon for your thoughts, your predictions, your analysis of the

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two teams, the important matchups in your view, your hopes
and maybe your fears for tonight at the Garden of Eden.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the free phone number.
You can text your thoughts through to nine two nine
two or email them into Jason at Newstalk SEDB dot
co dot Nz. We can sport all the way to

(03:27):
kick off at five past five. It's just just gone
ten and a half past.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Midday, analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting
World Weekend Sport with Jason Vye Call.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
News Talks EDB eleven past midday.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
The last time Australia beat the All Blacks at Eden
Park was on the sixth of September nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Is done trying to work a loop. Australia could score
of New Zealand and careful.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Here they go far Jones. Overlap the camps. Australia has
won the cup. David Campese is overjoined. Look at the
elation in the Australian team. Campeze hasn't seen them all today,

(04:21):
but that makes it all worthwhile.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
Jee I remember that actually like it was yesterday nineteen
eighty six. Australian halfback that day and provider of the
final pass to David Campese was Nick Pharr Jones. He
became Wallaby's captain in nineteen eighty eight and led the
side thirty six times. He was captain when Australia won
the Rugby World Cup in nineteen ninety one. In total,
he played sixty three Test matches for Australia, and in

(04:47):
nineteen ninety two he was made a Member of the
Order of Australia for his services to rugby union. That
same year inducted into the Sport Australia Hall of Fame
and into World Rugby's Hall of Fame. In twenty eleven,
Nick varh Jones is with us on Weekend Sport. Thanks
so much for joining us, Nick, what do you remember
most vividly about that day Eden Park, September nineteen eighty

(05:08):
six when you beat the All Blacks twenty two points
to nine.

Speaker 8 (05:12):
Yeah, get a Jason to you and your listeners. I
look at a lot of things. I mean the relief
of winning.

Speaker 9 (05:18):
You know, we lost in Duned and we thought we'd
secure the letters low down there, but we lost thirteen
twelve and then the two weeks we had to wait
to steal the deal was just it was tough. It
was something that we wanted so much. There had been
four Test matches where one point had separated the team's

(05:39):
The last Test in the eighty four series in Australia
I think was twenty four to twenty three.

Speaker 8 (05:44):
To New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (05:45):
The first Test against the Baby Blacks at Wellington was
thirteen twelve to us.

Speaker 8 (05:50):
Down in Duneedon it was.

Speaker 9 (05:51):
Thirteen twelve to the All Blacks, and so you know,
we just were so desperate to win, and I think
it was just the sheer relief Jason. But one thing
that I'll always remember was Campo scored the final try
with about ten minutes ago to really you know, put
it away for us. And we went back to the
kickoff and there was my old man Max who jumped.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
The fence and was taking photographs on the sideline.

Speaker 9 (06:15):
So you've got to remember it was a long time
ago and you could sort of do that thing, get
away with that sort of thing.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
But that was one of the lasting memories that.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I had, Absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 7 (06:24):
You played the All Blacks eighteen more times after that.
Were they the games you looked forward to the most?

Speaker 8 (06:32):
Oh, look, for sure.

Speaker 9 (06:33):
I mean you've got to remember that until nineteen ninety two,
South Africa weren't in international rugby because of isolation from apartheid,
So the huge matches for US were always the All Blacks.
As you mentioned, I was lucky enough to play twenty
tests eighteen for Australia and then I was privileged to
captain a World fifteen against the All Blacks in your

(06:54):
nineteen ninety two centenary celebrations. So every match I remember
almost like it was yesterday. I think we won seven,
we drew one, and you guys won the rest.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
But it was amazing.

Speaker 9 (07:07):
And you know, you've got to remember everyone thinks that
the opposition always stood up to the Harker. It really
wasn't until nineteen eighty seven that inaugur World Cup year.

Speaker 8 (07:18):
Not that we played them in the World Cup, of.

Speaker 9 (07:19):
Course, but we played a one off Test and that
was the first time that any international team actually stood
up to the Harker.

Speaker 8 (07:26):
But we did that out of respect.

Speaker 9 (07:28):
I'd much prefer to be ten meters away eyeballing your
opponent and respecting the great tradition of New Zealand rugby
than fifty meters away and turning you back. And you know, Jason,
for your listeners, that respect was because you're such a
great rugby nation you have been right through the decades.
But as an opponent, you want to send a second

(07:50):
message that we're not going to roll over and die.
And if you're going to be just today, you're going
to have to play bloody well.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
Absolutely brilliant who were some of the more formidable players
you were always aware of and planned for when the
Australian side you were and played against the All Blacks.

Speaker 8 (08:05):
Suit look, you had an amazing packs and what have you.

Speaker 9 (08:08):
But I think someone who really revolutionized back row play
was Michael Jones. And at the end of the day,
when you talk about tactics, if Michael Jones played well,
we lost.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
It was that simple, and so a lot of.

Speaker 9 (08:22):
Our tactics were around burying him in deep dark places,
making sure that he makes as many tackles as possible
and gets at the bottom of rucks and mall so
he couldn't be in the face of Michael Lyoner, Tim
Hoore and Jason Little Camper.

Speaker 8 (08:36):
If he was we basically lost.

Speaker 9 (08:38):
And the other guy that we'd often form tactics around,
who's a great mate of mine as Michael is, but
a guy who I catch up with reasonably regularly whenever
I'm in New Zealand or he's over here, is Grant
fox Foxy as well. If he had a great game
or played well, in all likelihood we lost. But we
had to devise our tactics around taking time and space

(09:01):
from Grant and putting him under as much pressure as
we could.

Speaker 8 (09:04):
And if we did that, we had a chance of
winn Now.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
Is it true that you and Tim Horan took a
dip in Wellington Harbor after you beat the all Blacks
of Athletic Park in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 9 (09:16):
We did, indeed, Jason, We actually we'd had a pack
that had we won in Auckland. We were staying at
the modern Dezi Hotel which was on the harbor, and
we basically said before the match at Eden Park in
nineteen ninety that if we win, we'll sneak down to
the harbor and have a dip. Well, we lost in

(09:36):
a close game in Auckland. But I think we're in
a nightclub at about one am. My wife was there
as well. I can assure you of that. But I
think I went up to Tim or he came up
to me at about one am and said, well, we
didn't do it in Auckland, but how about we go
down to the harbor.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
And we did that, and I can assure you it
wasn't very warm.

Speaker 9 (09:58):
And there are some photos drifting around and I'm not
overly proud of those photos.

Speaker 8 (10:03):
I can assure you.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Many of your tests Nica course were alongside the great
Michael Liner. How did you achieve the chemistry you did
with him as a nine ten combo?

Speaker 8 (10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (10:16):
Look, I was lucky enough to play my first four
Tests against alongside Mark Ella, the great Mark Ella, before
he retired at the end of the Grand Slam in
eighty four, and then Michael switched from twelve to his
more usual position of ten. Of course he played for Queensland.
I played for New South Wales. But somehow when we
came together in that gold Jersey, it always jelled, and

(10:38):
particularly as captain. Michael took so much pressure off me
as the captain because anything outside me, from a scrum
or what have you, he would basically take over. He
would call the shots, so that really took a lot
of pressure off me. If I didn't want to play
a back row move or something closer to the ruck
or mall or scrum, then not. He really took over

(11:01):
from there and that just gave me a lot more
I suppose breathing to be able to focus on my
role as a scrum half and captain. But he was
a terrific player. We had a great telepathy. I knew,
you know, if he wanted to drift pass or if
he wanted to direct. He was one of those guys
that was insistent on where you hit him. Always had

(11:22):
to be sort of on his hip, you know about
waist high. He was pretty particular in relation to that,
compared to someone like Mark Eller, who basically said, Nick,
you do the chucking, I'll do the catching. But look,
I played over fifty Tests with Michael and it was
an absolute privilege and it's wonderful to see his young
fellow coming through, or he's two young fellas coming through
in world rugby.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
You both, of course were part of that nineteen ninety
one Rugby World Cup winning side.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
What were the key.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
Ingredients in that side that lifted the William web Ellis
Trophy in ninety one.

Speaker 9 (11:56):
Look, Jason I took over the captaincy in nineteen eighty eight.
In the first couple of years of captaining the Wallabies,
we could be very inconsistent. We could be fantastic one
Saturday and seven days later play like busted bums. What
I think really changed from that important victory at Wellington.
That's when we knew that we could beat the All

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Blacks and we could beat anyone on our day and
to me, we'd lost the letterslow, but that victory that
Third Test in nineteen ninety was what changed everything. And
I think there's a little bit of comparison with this
Australian team now and the young leader Harry Wilson, having
won that Third Test, we'd lost the series against the lines.
But that Third Test victory I compared to our victory

(12:40):
nineteen ninety at Wellington because this team led by Harry
now knows that they can beat anyone on their day.
They proved that at Ellis Park. They of course, you know,
played well against Argentina. To beat the lines in that
Third Test convincingly was fantastic and that's why I think
this team will be right up for this match this

(13:00):
afternoon at Eden Park. But to get back to what
I was saying, it was really we had to change
the of that team that was very inconsistent to a
team that is what I call process driven. Understand the
process individually and collectively. It goes way beyond the eighty minutes,
but understand what it is in the eighty minutes, and
we became a very consistent team. I think about the

(13:22):
last twenty five Tests I played in the nineties, we
won about twenty two of them and it was really
that consistency that we developed over that sort of crucial
two three year period.

Speaker 7 (13:33):
Is it a source of frustration that the Bledislow hasn't
been on your side of the ditch now for over
two decades?

Speaker 8 (13:40):
Oh, look, I'm pretty sure it is.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
I mean, ask any player who's lost to the All
Blacks and hasn't won a Bledislow, Ask any Australian fan,
ask the families of the players, anyone connected to rugby
is hugely frustrated that the Bledisloe hasn't been one.

Speaker 8 (14:00):
It's disappointing these days.

Speaker 9 (14:02):
That you know, you don't have three tests series and
so you guys only have to win the one match
to retain it.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
But yeah, this is critical.

Speaker 9 (14:11):
That's why today, this afternoon will be so critical for
Australian rugby that we can go to Perth next weekend
with a live series and have the chance of winning
that Bledislow because it is one of the great trophies
in world sport and we just haven't had it for
over two decades.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Just had a question come through for you, Nick, I'm
not sure whether you're able to answer it, but can
you please ask Nick his thoughts on Cam Roygad and
where he sees him in the ranks of halfbacks around
the world at the moment. Have you seen it but
of Cam roy.

Speaker 9 (14:45):
Gath Now, Look, I was saying to you produce it
before our chat today that I really haven't seen too
much of New Zealand rugby this year, and so I haven't,
but I'll be very interested to see how he goes
against Tate McDermott. How old is Cam just out of interest?

Speaker 3 (15:02):
He's twenty four, twenty three, twenty.

Speaker 9 (15:05):
Four, okay, and he obviously deserves his jersey and a
lot of New Zealanders are raving about him.

Speaker 8 (15:11):
I suspect absolutely.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
You know, he's well, he hasn't been in the team
for the last four Test matches. Getting him back for
this one has been seen as a huge boost because
he already has sort of opened up a gap between
he and the next best in his position. So yeah, no,
I think that Battle of the ninth this afternoon, as
a lot of the battles will be that will be
will be crucial. Yeah, it's yeah, just to finish and

(15:34):
you mention it there, what would it mean to win
this game this afternoon, for the Wallabies to take the
series to a sold out Perth and perhaps for the
for the Wallabies to get their hands back on that
on that coveted price.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
It means everything to us. So I can assure you
of that.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
And you know, it's been quite amazing since that, or
since the success of the line series financially and also
from the way our team played to see this team
that seems very close. It's not just the team, it's
the squad that Harry Wilson talks about. I think Wilson's
developing into one of the great captains. I think he'll

(16:10):
be around for a long time injury pending, but it
means so much to Australian supporters and the talk just
in the streets that this team is finally developing into
something that could compete for Bledisloe Cups. And you know,
obviously in two years time, World Cup being hosted here

(16:32):
in Australia, and everyone is just very very excited. After
the we plummeted to the depths of the twenty twenty
three World Cup, not making the quarter finals. So there's
a very good sentiment drifting around the streets of Sydney
and Brisbane and.

Speaker 8 (16:48):
Perth and Melbourne. That this team is starting to aim up.

Speaker 9 (16:53):
They really can challenge the best in the world on
their day and it's all about that consistency. But this
is huge for us. There'll be hundreds of thousands of
people glued to the TV's Eden Park this afternoon three
o'clock Australian Eastern Seaboard time.

Speaker 8 (17:09):
I can assure you that.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Jason, wonderful stuff. Nick.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
It's so great to have you leading us off on
such a big day on this side of the Tasman.
All the best to you and thanks for your at
your time and your analysis this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (17:21):
Yeah, pleasure Jason. I hope it's a fantastic afternoon. Obviously
we need one result for you guys, not to retain it,
but to your listeners enjoy the spectacle.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
Wonderful stuff, Nick, No, cheers to you too, mate, Nick
Farr Jones there Jee, what a what a great man
joining us to lead us off here on bled us
Slow Cup day in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Gwynn says, Jason, say hei to Nick.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
My daughter and I caught up with him for a
bear at Circular Key in Sydney a few years ago.
The nicest man, a true gentleman. Yeah, you can absolutely tell,
can't your Nigel? Says Nick varr Jones. Sounds like an
absolute champ. Is he really Australian? I think he probably is. No,
til I think he probably is. But yeah, but I
get where you're coming from. All Right, News Talks here,

(18:06):
we're come to your life from the Kingsland at twelve
twelve to twenty five here on News Talks, there be
time for your thoughts on this game. We are going
to read the pulse of a few punters here and
actually a former Wallaby, Brendan Cannon, is coming for a
beer this afternoons. We might see if we can twist
his arm and get him over for a bit of
a chat. Just from memory. Brendan Cannon I think was

(18:26):
in the team that lost the Bledislow carp but then
had won it previously to that. He was in that
team that kind of between the late nineties and into
the two thousands, maybe the early two thousands. For Brendan Cannon,
you never really knew from week to week, from test
to test, who was going to come out on top.
So hopefully we can twist his arm and maybe buy

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him a bear and see if he wants to come
and reminisus a little bit with us. But time to
read your pulse now. Lines open, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. The All Blacks have won their last
nine Tests against the Wallabyes. Australia's last wind November twenty
twenty are twenty four to twenty two when at sun
Corpse Stadium. Australia haven't beaten the All Blacks in New
Zealand since two thousand and one at Carrisbrook, where they

(19:12):
ran out winners by twenty three points to fifteen. The
thirty Test matches since then on New Zealand soil have
seen twenty nine All Blacks wins and a solitary draw
sixteen all in Wellington in October twenty twenty. You have
to go all the way back to that game in
September nineteen eighty six that we just talked about with

(19:34):
Nick Varr Jones to find the last time Australia beat
the All Blacks at Eden Park that late try to
David Campeazy our twenty two points to nine win and famously,
of course, the last time anybody beat the All Blacks
in a test at Eden Park was nineteen ninety four
fifty one test matches without defeat for the All Blacks,

(19:55):
forty nine wins and two draws. They've held the Bletisloe
Cup since two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Can these two long.

Speaker 7 (20:03):
Standing All Blacks records twenty two years with a let
Terslow Cup thirty one years without defeat at this venue
be threatened tonight by a resurgent and reasonably confident Wallerby's side. Look,
I'm going to say no for one main reason. The

(20:24):
All Blacks come into this game off the back of
their heaviest ever defeat, humbled in case you needed reminding,
forty three to ten by the spring Box a fortnight ago. Now,
after a loss like that, to honor the legacy of
the All Blacks Jersey, a response is expected, A response

(20:44):
is demanded. A response is pretty much compulsory, and for me,
that'll out weigh any thought of Australia coming to town
and continuing the All Blacks misery a little bit later
on this afternoon. The All Blacks always rise to the occasion,
and this is an occasion and a night on which

(21:05):
the All Blae really simply cannot afford to lose.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
If you'd like to jump aboard, give us your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
We'd love to have you with us.

Speaker 7 (21:17):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty as the show comes
to you live from the Kingslander in New north Road
this afternoon, we're back with your calls, your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Right after this, live from the Kingslander in Auckland. It's
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Speaker 7 (21:37):
News Talks NB and Weekend Sport coming to your life
from the Kingslander. Twelve thirty one, must says Pinety, how
do you? How do I get a gig like yours?
Living the dream at all these pubs you're going to
and getting paid for it? It is, I must say.
I must say, maus a terrific job.

Speaker 10 (21:52):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
You're calling from Australia, mate, How are you feeling?

Speaker 11 (21:55):
Good?

Speaker 12 (21:56):
Mate? Good good? I'm glad the game is not insteady today.
Thirty degrees of them. I can spell a bit of
pushfire in the air, so it's probably awkord.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Well, I'm sorry do you want to give you the
weather for today At the moment here made it's really
it's really nice. But apparently in the next few hours
there's going to be a bit of rain and quite
a heavy shower at around halftime tonight. Look, I don't
know whether that'll make a difference or not, but that's
just a bit of a bit of weather and tell
for you mate.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
But how are you feeling about the game in general?

Speaker 12 (22:26):
Oh look, look, I'm just going to make a general
statement just quickly. I just love this Wallaby team. They're
just like I'm a Wallaby supporter, but with the NRL
and the AFL and the Australian public just kind of
dwindled away. But I think the Australian public want to
be proud of the Wallabies again. I think they are again.

(22:47):
I think they see they're a scene that they can
investigate in and I've seen more Wallaby jumpers around Sydney
even with the temperature rising, and I just think these guys,
these blokes really are trying to rebuild the game in
this country and I think they take that on. And
I grew up and could so. I saw the eller

(23:07):
Boys play and I love the way when we do
get over the advantage one. I love the way the
Australian back liner are using the ball. I just think
they're fantastic. I don't think Mate will have the five
pound to get up today. I think we're still developing
as a team, but I think they'll give it a
really good crack and I think the Australian public will

(23:28):
still be proud of them at the end of today
and then we'll have another go in person and see
how we go. But I think they're billt like they're back.
They're back, the publics love them, so Yeah, they've done
great things for rugby in this country. And Joe smid Mate.
I wish he wasn't going home. I understand he has
to for family reasons. But we'll thank you very much

(23:50):
to Joe for what he's done for rugby in this country.
He has been.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Amazing, brilliant stuff.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
So as we sit here, then, Matt, in the middle
of the World Cup cycle, which of course Australia will
host in twenty twenty seven, do you feel a sense
of optimism about what might play out a couple of years.

Speaker 12 (24:08):
Look, look, World Cups are funny and it's turning up
on the day, but I think there's a team developing
that'll give it a really good crack. They won't they'll
be in the running and it's on the day. But
I think Joe's filled them with that confidence, you know,
that belief that they don't go away. They don't go away.

(24:30):
They remind me, they remind me a lot of the
canber Raiders. They don't go away. They just stay in
the fight. And you've got to you've got a chance,
You've got a chance. And for many years I just
didn't think we had a chance. But with this team,
I think we do and I think they'll be Whatever
happens today, they'll be better for it. And I think, yeah,
i'd love us to win an even park.

Speaker 10 (24:52):
Mate.

Speaker 12 (24:52):
Obviously haven't seen when we last won at the even parks.
So my kids has never seen a Wallabyst Glad's that's up,
So it's super super.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Important here, wonderful stuff.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Got a text through This guy met from Aussie is
my favorite of Australian and my brother in law is Australian.
So mate, you're resonating on this side.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Of the Tasman. Mate, you're the same age as me
as well.

Speaker 7 (25:13):
I was about that age in eighty six too, So
look good to chat to my friend and enjoyed the game.
Really appreciate you taking the time to call in twelve
thirty four, now in nineteen ninety two. Now that's going
back a fair way. Was that thirty three years ago?
My very first radio job was at Radio whited Upper
in Masterton, and I was therefore just under a year.

(25:36):
And one of the voices on the radio station back
then was one of our Saturday afternoon I guess you'd
call him around the grounds cricket reporter by the name
of Kevin Boyce.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Now Kevin Boyce has turned up at the Kingsland.

Speaker 13 (25:50):
Just for you, piny mate.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
It is amazing to see and you haven't honestly, you
have not aged what is the secret?

Speaker 13 (25:56):
Well, I think possibly staying and teaching and getting out
of broadcasting anyway better anyway you've lost the bit of here.
And as I said to you before, with grass doesn't
grow on a busy street. And I think you know
you've got to remember that. Just hearing that Australian guy
speak before, I think he's quite right. Actually they don't
go away. We do in the second half sadly, and
I think we've got to sustain that today. The last

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time I saw Australia was in two thousand at the
Caketon and John Eels got that cack and my god,
you know Todd blackatter, et cetera. They should have played
it tight.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
They didn't.

Speaker 13 (26:30):
And what do you know is nickname John Eils nobody
because nobody's perfect.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, and he was perfect that.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
I remember that test to Kevin first ever one at
what was Westpac Stadium house sky Stadium. Yes, afternoon kickoff,
they had lights, but they decided on an afternoon kickoff
and that was obviously just after that amazing test in Melbourne,
yes where when one thirty nine to thirty five with
Jonas scoring that try, came back here but then that
last minute penalty Yeah, yeah, gave it to And those

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were the days when they when you didn't know from
week to week and they broke our hearts as often
as we broke this.

Speaker 11 (27:01):
We did they did.

Speaker 13 (27:02):
Sorry you say, certainly? Did I think they're changing the
Australian nasal anthem? Now that's they're still saying avarance Australia fair,
but it's going to be spelled I f E A
are not if A I are so, and I think
we better fear them, you know, I think we will
have just a little bit too much firepower in our
in our our bench, which is their depth is perhaps
not as strong as ours, and I think that could

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be the telltale factor.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, yeah, so you're you.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
When you and I met, you were living in the
Wided Upper. You're on the Company Coast and Welson now
are still still heavily involved in sports watching, no doubt
you see what You've got a keen eye and ear
on everything.

Speaker 13 (27:37):
Absolutely, Yeah, it's quite you know, the sport's not that
strong in the area. Some of the horror and a
couple of people saying that, but they're about the same
league as But why do they have a bosh? You know,
so they're they're they're thereabouts, but and well acton. I
think they won the NPC last year, didn't they. That's
right as well, we seek so we're now Yeah, no good.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
Good memory given you know they won it on a
very horrible day. Yeah, at sky Stadium actually in the final.
But yeah, I think they've it swings around about, isn't
that in the strength of the NPC seems to be
outside the the main super rugby centers.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
You look at the Orc the Blues catchment and now
terribly they're doing.

Speaker 13 (28:11):
So it's exactly right. I said to someone the other day.
Just listened to Siri because in twenty fifteen, I said
to Sarah, who's gonna win the Rugby World Cup? And
she said, that's easy Campeazie Australia. Of course, they got
knocked out in the quarterfinal. So I said, Siri, who's
going to win the World Cup? She said, I don't
know that question, So you've got to go. I think
the Australia is a lot that wor but you know that. Yeah,

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but I think it's going to be a good test
and we will be you know, we're going to have
to dig deep. I just wonder, you know, with the
Artie's captain. I think they we just needed a little
bit of a lift and he plays till he dies,
you know, and inverted commas and he gives that heart,
you know, right through, and I think.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
We've just got to do that.

Speaker 13 (28:50):
We've got to dig deep today, don't we.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
We do.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
Kip want a delight to see him too much. Thanks
for stopping Buy for a chat. Hopefully we can buy
you a drink of whatever events.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Maybe we got to do.

Speaker 13 (28:57):
Yeah, but as they say in the Pisoner Shop, we
used to say that that wraps things up.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
The same jokes from thirty three years ago.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Thanks, great to see your mate.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Good on you mate, Really appreciate you joining us, Sam,
I mate, Ponty.

Speaker 10 (29:14):
How are you on a Saturday?

Speaker 12 (29:17):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Oh yeah, you're there, Sam? Yeah, yeah, I can hear
it perfectly on your I'm good. Thank you, Sam.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
What's what's on your mind as you think about these
two Bledisloe Cup tests?

Speaker 14 (29:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (29:31):
Just thinking what's the Is there a reasoning behind the
scheduling of a two Leaderslow Cup series?

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Two game series?

Speaker 11 (29:40):
I think it should be a three game series home
and away and then whoever holds it as the homemade
field advance.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
With it does And I agree, Sam, I agree with you.
It should be over three tests.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
And the reason, as I understand it is, is simply
that they've got to squeeze everything in somewhere and the
All Blacks are off on an end of season, you know,
the Northern Tour and the past us. You'll know there
have been occasions where there've been three test matches, but
not for a while.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
And I agree with you made it.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
It feels odd, doesn't it that if the All Blacks
win this afternoon, then the Bleederslow's locked away again. I mean,
good for us, but it feels like there should be
more more jeopardy heading into the second test if.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
You get in the drift.

Speaker 11 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, because even we go back to per quite
a strong one hundred thousand mat stadiums.

Speaker 12 (30:34):
You know, it's changed the whole thing, and then came
to a third game test even.

Speaker 16 (30:38):
Things for the Lions, So I don't know, it's been
a bit of a question of mind for the pub
sep weeks and then.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Get to this.

Speaker 17 (30:45):
So yeah, anyway, thanks for that.

Speaker 7 (30:47):
No, no worries, Sam, No, and I look like you.
I hope we get to three tests at some point
in the in the in the not to just in future.
I fear though, mate, that it might be a little
way away, because of course we've got the South African
Tour next year, and then it'll be World Cup year,
and then we've got the New Nations Championship coming into it,
So the days of a three series might have to

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wait until beyond the next World Cup and to a
point where we might have one of the traditional Tours
of Australia.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
So I guess we'll just have to wait and say
good to chat to you mate. Thanks.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Indeed, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number.
It's nineteen away from one. You never know who you're
going to bump into when you do broadcasts from bars.
Another former Wallaby Brendan Cannon, gonna have a chat to
us right after.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
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Speaker 7 (31:46):
News Talks AIRB Company Life from the Kingsland as we
built towards Kickhoff. Five past five, Eden Park, All Blacks
against the Wallaby's former Wallaby Brendan Cannon.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Good to see you mate, How are you?

Speaker 14 (31:56):
I go?

Speaker 18 (31:57):
Well, I'm very excited.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yes game day.

Speaker 18 (31:59):
You still get the juices flowing sweaty palms, and I
think it's an interesting afternoon for both teams. The afternoon
high anticipation on the Wallaby side of things, and I
sense a little bit of nervousness from the kiwis do
you really?

Speaker 19 (32:14):
I do?

Speaker 18 (32:15):
I do a sense of vulnerability that I haven't seen
for a long time and it's a damn shame, but
that's what life's all about. You've got to be vulnerable
to grow and maybe this afternoon that vulnerability could be exposed.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Well.

Speaker 10 (32:28):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
It seems like you've been working on that for a while.

Speaker 8 (32:31):
Twenty three years.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
You've been along with it and been How are you mate?
Living the dream? Happy to be here now?

Speaker 7 (32:38):
You were born the year after the Wallabies. Last week
the All Blacks here at Eden Park.

Speaker 20 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, I'm one of the great mocks that will
be put on any sporting side. So yeah, last time
we won here was eighty six. I was born in
eighty seven. Okay, last premiership the Mighty Paramatter Eels one
was eighty six as well. I don't get a lot
of a lot of joy, but we're hoping, hoping to
break a record tonight with history.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
Brittan, you know what it's like to win the bleedd
Slow Cup. Yes, like to win the Bledterslow.

Speaker 18 (33:07):
Cut well twenty three years ago when we last held it,
so two thousand and two. I think we beat an
Antin Oliver captain lead side at Carrisbrook, and it was
a great error for the Wallabies back then and we
were just talking offline which before that how close it
was between the two sides. It was really just on
the day who got a rubber of the green. To

(33:27):
a degree, there's probably been a fairly significant void in
recent years between the All Blacks and the Wallowies. But
I think the way the Wallabies have played this year
has generated a level of interest which has been missing
for a while, which but I think is good for
rugby internationally. But in terms of the bladders though, I
didn't think in two thousand and two when we had
it that if we did lose it it would take

(33:49):
twenty three years and counting before we even looked like
we were a chance to get it back. So twenty
three years is a long time. There's generations of Austrange
children that have grown up that have no idea what
the bladders the cup looks like. Hopefully that changes today.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Well, the line I've been using most of the week
is that no one's ever posted it on social media
that the Wallabs have won the blitterslow up because they
arrived all about it you, oh five o six been?
Is it a source of frustration for Australian rugby fans
that it has been over here for so long?

Speaker 11 (34:16):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (34:16):
Look, I think we've moved well beyond frustration and now
we're just living in desperate sort of hope. I mean
the last time we had it, I remember I was
I would have been sitting at home with the old
man watching this boat lifted above us, lifted above his head.
So you know, I do, I do agree with cano
though definitely, you know, I starting rugby's feeling a lot
better these days over there.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I think it was a great lines tour.

Speaker 20 (34:39):
There's a lot of positivity about the team at the
moment and the All Blacks definitely look vulnerable and looking
forward to uh hopefully bringing it back home.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
To where it belongs now.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
Apart from the rugby, of course, you usually are here
for business reasons as.

Speaker 21 (34:52):
Well, So what has brought you across We are in
a company over here called Traffic Management New Zealand, so
it's the largest traffic management company across the country and
yeah where we bought it a couple of years ago,
and we're delighted to be here and very very well
warmly welcomed by the Kiwi's.

Speaker 18 (35:10):
I've loved working for the Altars group that owned this
traffic manager management New Zealand business because whilst I used
to come here with the rugby tours, I've gone to
parts of New Zealand that I never went to on
rugby tour.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
So I've been to Gisbon.

Speaker 8 (35:22):
We've been a Tonga nice.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Like.

Speaker 18 (35:28):
We're trying to sort of get the local language to
roll off the Aussie tongue.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
So you've got but you've got business interest in Australia
as well. This part of your, part of your empire.

Speaker 20 (35:37):
I wouldn't call it an empire where I'm just a
humble traffic controller from Western Sydney out there doing his best,
trying to find a way through it.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
But yeah, we own and operate the largest traffic management
company across his go in New Zealand. So wonderful.

Speaker 20 (35:49):
I'm delighted to be here and looking forward to a
good afternoon with Brendan and Kevy and a couple of
clients as well.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
So Kevin, Kevin me a lama. You've got the great
man joining you from bit of a young lader.

Speaker 18 (35:58):
Also last year we had Kevy involved with US at
the Wellington Test and at that time he was the
third most capped and he's now the fourth most cap
because I think Boden Barrett's passed him. But it's quite
amazing to walk the streets towards a rugby venue with
a guy like Kevin Mirelama, who is not just New
Zealand Royalty, but he's he's international rugby royalty. One of

(36:20):
the nicest, nicest guys that you could ever ever meet,
unashamingly humble, you know, very very strong with family and religion.
But he'll be a superstar this afternoon for us.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Stops and talks with absolutely every man.

Speaker 18 (36:35):
He should be a politician's shaken baby. Come on mate,
we're running late.

Speaker 8 (36:42):
No, no, I got to talk to everyone, so no,
you're right.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
He never turns down a handshaker or a request for
a for a photo. What was it like tackling Jonah Wow?

Speaker 18 (36:52):
Okay, so I it was really interesting. In nineteen ninety
four I played in an Aussie twenty one side against
the Kiwi twenty one side that had Justin Marshall, Andrew Mertins,
Tane Randell like it was the next era of the
Albacks and a guy called Jonah Loomi, so that was
pre ninety ninety five where he blew the world away.
We used to it was almost like comedy sessions when

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we'd do postgame reviews after you'd played a team with
joonahlomo in because we is as ossie rugby players took
great delight in watching anyone in the team get absolutely
pulverized by him and the way in which their body
would contort into all these weird shapes and sizes. So
we would also be laughing on the field like just
you couldn't stop him. He was and freak sometimes can

(37:36):
be not a great adjective to describe someone, but he
was unbelievable. If you went into a laboratory and said
I need a bit of size, I need a bit
of speed, I need a bit of someone that loves
contact or someone that loves running into people. Jonah Lomi
was like the perfect stereotype or prototype of a rugby player.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
Phenomenal.

Speaker 10 (37:55):
I love that.

Speaker 18 (37:56):
Phenomenal.

Speaker 7 (37:56):
What an explanation, All right, Ben, So how are you feeling?
Where would you place your level of optimism about this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (38:03):
Marginally higher than what it's been for the last ten years.

Speaker 20 (38:06):
I mean every time I come into it with any hope,
I end up walking away bitterly disappointed.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
But I think, yeah, off the back of a really
strong lines to.

Speaker 20 (38:16):
A pretty average lead in for the All Blacks, I mean,
if there's ever a time I feel like this is
the one.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
So yeah, optimistic.

Speaker 18 (38:25):
We've obviously been through a fairly long and protracted period
of non success in Australian rugby, so we take a
little bit of a delight in the fact that there's
uncomfortability in the Kiwi scene at the moment. That second
half against the Springbox recently was phenomenal for the spring Box,
not so much for the All Blacks. The Wallaby's had

(38:46):
a half a football against the Springboks in Johannesburg which
got the rugby world to step up and sit up
and go wow, this Wallaby side has got some potential.
So I think this afternoon, I don't think we've got
our strongest side. I think Will Skelton being is a
big loss and it's a shame that he's not available
till next week. He has such a presence and I
think we saw the influence he had in that line series,

(39:07):
So I don't think we've got our stronger side. I
think it will be incredibly competitive, but I do hope
that that vulnerability. I think Gilbert and Artika the former
yes it's the former site coach for the All Blacks
who no longer is with them. I think you will
miss him because I think the vulnerability and the skeletons
and the anguish of years gone by could be exposed

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this afternoon at Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
How many cans of beer going the blitter slowly?

Speaker 6 (39:31):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Then it's a tough one, twenty sixty quickly empty.

Speaker 18 (39:37):
It's north for twenty and you need a couple of
blokes to hold it because it carries a fair bit
of weight. But it's a magnificent piece of silverware. It
means a lot between the two countries, and obviously whoever
gets it gets boasting rights. But it stops stops a
rugby nation between Australia New Zealand. Anytime the bladders those on,
I hope that we get to touch it or get
close to it, but you've got to earn the right

(39:59):
and the wallapy's got to play well this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
Man, it's been great to chat to you guys. Have
an awesome afternoon with given me a lama. I know
you will, we will and enjoy the game others of
what happens.

Speaker 18 (40:07):
Can we get a Kiwi commentator to sort of align
with us and join into a go the Wallabies chat?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Not right now?

Speaker 10 (40:15):
Right now?

Speaker 22 (40:16):
All right?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
A couple of remutation of the lightlight I'm great to
see your voice.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
Bring a cannon and venus well from Traffic Management, New Zealand.
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Speaker 1 (40:30):
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Speaker 7 (40:42):
Four to one on News TALKSB and Weekend Sport. Come
to you from the Kingslander, which is starting to fill
up with a heck of a lot of black I
must say a bit of gold and green to be
seen as well, but a lot of All Blacks fans
here at the Kingslander, looking forward to a five past
five kick off and mingling at the moment with All
Blacks Royalty in the form of camo Ian Jones has

(41:05):
just entered the pub and the whole play just stopped.
Ian Jones, if we can drag him away from the
fans that have surrounded them. With us after the News
at one.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Bringing you the buildout, the battle and the banter as
we count down to the first Bledisloe Cup test of
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine live from.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
The Kingslander, Auckland on your home of the Sport News
Talks MB.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
He's in d Welcome back into the show. Welcome to
the Kingslander on New North Road and Auckland. As we
build towards a five past five kickoff, don't get caught
out five past five this afternoon kickoff between the All
Blacks and the Wallabies and bled Uslow one at Eden Park,
as the Wallabies try.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
To do two things, really be the first team to
bit the All.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
Blacks in fifty one and counting test matches at Eden
Park and loft the Bledisloe Cup for the first time
since New Zealand took it off them back in two
thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
All Black's Royalty. Ian Jones with us very shortly.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
But speaking of royalty, Jamie wall look, I don't even
know how to describe you.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
How would I describe you.

Speaker 23 (42:10):
I'm just a humble journalist and author, Piney, but thanks
so much for having me along as lovely to see it.

Speaker 7 (42:15):
You're being very humble because your books are always a
brilliant read, including your definitive history of Bill Blacks against
South Africa. Of course we're talking bled Uslo today though,
but you're wearing a red Pornicky blazer in honor of
the curtain race and the tell us about the under
eighty five kilo final.

Speaker 23 (42:31):
Yeah, under eighty five kg National Club Cup finals kicking
off at two fifteen once again the curtain Raids of
Blazlow Cup as it was last year. This year my
old club, my old team actually PORNICKYFC playing his high
school old boys light Beers down from christ Wich.

Speaker 10 (42:47):
For the light Beers, it's their third final in a row.

Speaker 23 (42:50):
They lost last year but won for that really really
good team seven New Zealand representatives and there was this
of course, the first year there have been a New
Zealand under eighty five kg national team played over in
Sri Lanka.

Speaker 10 (43:02):
Two big wins over there, but also.

Speaker 23 (43:04):
A couple of really big crowds at twenty f five
thousand and in Colombo for the game against the Srilonkan
national team. So really big year for waitger over something
I'm really passionate about and I'm really looking forward to
this game. Pornicky coached by a colleague of you of ours,
Ross bond I'm sure he'll be as tense as usual,
and so I'm hoping for a big one, just just
for the city's sake. So Bondi doesn't go off after

(43:27):
the game, and my thoughts go out to the referee,
who will be hearing plenty for our friend Ross bond.

Speaker 7 (43:32):
Indeed years I think Bondi's reputation proceeds him. So about
an hour away from kickoff, I know you're going to
cover it and to watch it. But later on the
Bledder Slow Cup testing, do you see the Wallabies as
a threat to the two records, the Eden Park record,
the Bleddi Slowe Cup, you know, two decade.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Long run this afternoon or not.

Speaker 23 (43:50):
No, I don't because we've had this conversation I don't
know how many times in the last ten years about
the wall be coming here. So I'm solely basing this
off historical evidence. The All Blacks did not win fifty
one tests in a row at Eden Park by accident.
I mean the man sitting next to me was playing
when when that all that all started way back in
the mid nineties. Uh, And I think that just they,

(44:12):
whether they want to admit it or not, the all
baits just grow a leg at Eden Park and it.

Speaker 10 (44:17):
Will it will come apart at some point, but not
not not tonight. I think.

Speaker 23 (44:22):
Sorry, this evening, as you rightly pointed out, don't get
caught out five oh five kickoff.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
Yeah, I'm not sure whether you're supposed to say this
afternoon or this evening when it's five past five. It's
that no man's landing between really, isn't it. I just
say later on today, Yeah, later today. And the looks
like the weather is defied predictions. It's actually pretty pretty
warm out there.

Speaker 23 (44:41):
I've got this lovely blazer on from the Pornicky nineteen
seventy nine two to the USA, but I had to
take it off on the walkover because it's pretty humid
out there.

Speaker 10 (44:50):
Should be a great, great conditions for some running rabia
in both games.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Wonderful stuff.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
Hey, great to see you mate, all the best of
your Poronickey team this afternoon, and we'll see you across.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
The road in a little while, Thanks very much, pony.
All right, Jamie Wall joining us.

Speaker 7 (45:01):
Let's welcome in one of our greatest, our greatest lockforwards
raised in Camo, selected North Auckland in nineteen eighty eight
as a twenty one year old to with the eighty
nine All Blacks, made a cess debut the following year
against Scotland at Carisbrook and scored a try. From then
on through until nineteen ninety seven, pretty much an automatic selection,
he and Robin Brook forming one of the most enduring

(45:23):
locking partnerships in international rugby. Three World Cups see Captain
the Chiefs, often Captain the All Blacks and Midweek gain
in South Africa in nineteen ninety two, one hundred and
five games for the All Blacks seventy nine tests, still
the fourthmost by any New Zealand lock and now general
manager of the All Blacks Experience, the only interactive attraction

(45:45):
in the world dedicated to New Zealand rugby, located on
Federal Street in the Sky City Precinct.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Who else but Camo Ian Jones. Nice to see you, mate, Piney.

Speaker 24 (45:54):
Want a hell of a build up? Yeah, welcome, Thanks
very much, just very quickly touching on the eighty five
as he mentioned Robin Brook, my boy plays Tech Green
Under eighty five's guest three locks the' come with a
man called Kayla Brook, the son of Robin Brooke.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Unbelievable, It is unbelievable.

Speaker 24 (46:14):
It's wonderful. They're not as tough as me and Rob Well.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I was gonna say, how do they compare to their
you know, to the two of you.

Speaker 24 (46:22):
Not a patch on us, pony, not a patch, but
they try their best. They love the game, the passionate
about the game. But we're all passionate about the game
and they're out there doing it. So now I loved
Under eighty five competition myself.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I was going to ask you about that locking combination
with yourself and Robin Brook. It was just enduring.

Speaker 7 (46:39):
And you talk about great partnerships and all black rugby,
and that was one of them. How important is the
locking combination in the you know, an effect of forward pack?

Speaker 24 (46:49):
It is absolutely a partnership like a nine ten, like
a twelve thirteen, And they are partnerships. You have to
work off each other, you have to understand each other's role.
And the great thing I always used to be when
I was a rob. I knew you. He's always had
my back. Great footballer Robin Brook really tough, under stood
the game, uncompromising, so you knew exactly what he was

(47:10):
going to do in his role, which allowed me to
do my role a little bit wider than that. But
she always knew he was always going to front. And
when you know that, when you have so much trust
and faith and the guy you're sitting beside the changing sheds,
the guy you're locking the scrum with in a Test match,
it's just gold pinting. And I always had my rob,

(47:30):
always had my back.

Speaker 7 (47:31):
You came into the All Blacks in nineteen eighty nine
and a very very good All Black side. It was
from the eighty seven World Cup onwards. You came into
that side as a twenty two year old. Was there
in any way daunting for you?

Speaker 24 (47:46):
Funny enough, it wasn't. Because just had the self belief.
I wanted to be there. I felt comfortable being there,
had really good teammates kind of around me. I went
on that first tour in eighty nine Murray Pears and
go wed him with the incumbents say the Test locks.
So I got comfortable being in that environment. But I
wanted more and my break came when Murray Pears at

(48:09):
the end of eight and nine went to South Africa.
So there's a whole this vacancy in the locking for
nineteen ninety. Thankfully, Gris Wiley rop So the great coach,
gave me an opportunity in nineteen ninety and then started
locking this grum with Gary Wton. Murray Peas actually came back,
came on tour with us to France at the end
of nineteen ninety and was a great mentor for me,

(48:31):
great support for me. I managed to keep my test
Scott and went all the way through till ninety nine,
as you mentioned, but that was a break. And when
you get an opportunity in sport, not just rugby, but
in sport, and you can take that opportunity to take
that chance, and then you can just grow and grow
and draw. And there's always my ambition to play a test,
to play multiple tests, to play fifty tests, and just

(48:54):
keep building on that goal.

Speaker 7 (48:55):
Setting over one hundred games to the All Black, seventy
nine of them were test matches. That team of the
late eighties a dominant team, but the team you were
part of the nineteen ninety six and ninety ninety seven,
you know, utterly spectacular side. And I remember, and you
will too, the game of Athletic Park when you met
Australia forty three points to six on one of the
worst Wellington days you can imagine, but one of the

(49:16):
best displays of wet weather rugby ever.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Do you recall much about that day?

Speaker 24 (49:21):
I recall the whole week, Piney, absolutely, because the whole
week it was torrential rain and wanting to the whole
week and John Hart just started to coming first year
as all about coach. We'd had a beautiful wild up
against the Sarmons. We knew what we were all about.
We trained outdoors because we knew and John Hart knew
these were the conditions that were about to face on Saturday.

(49:43):
So we got into our heads this is the way
we had to play. But we could steal back our
skills in those conditions. So it's all about mindset of
John Hart. Phenomenal coach got you into a place where
you knew you were so confident in your ability, your
teammate's ability, and how you could play. And so we
just executed in ninety to ninety six and conditions that
we in our mind were ready for.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
That team, that team that day.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
I mean, goodness, me doubt Fitzpatrick Brown, yourself and Robin Brook,
Michael Jones, Josh Cronfeld and Sinney Marshall and Mertons Little
and bunts, Lomu, Wilson, Cullen.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I mean, I don't know what to say about a
team like that.

Speaker 24 (50:24):
Well, it's phenomenal. A lot of it set up, of
course by Laura Mayins and nine to ninety five and
all the hard work we did. Ninety five John Hart
came in and just transformed who we were. Just our
mindset a little bit brilliant, and we just backed each other.
We had world cast players. But all you had to
do in that ninety six side was your job, nothing more,

(50:44):
nothing less. Just had to go there, get yourself into
this mindset, your job, understand what you need to do,
execute trust in the other fourteen we'll do. Executed the
same outcome as what the outcome was.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
And that's kind of how we operated nineteen ninety four
France out here, the try from the end of the Earth.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Is that vivid in your memory for a different reason?

Speaker 24 (51:05):
Oh, I remember, it hurts, absolutely hurts, And I look
back on that and with some shame that we were
bought me all that we were ball watching so running
to the ball where we should be standing in our position.
We could have stopped that try. You know, eighty third
minutes of the game, a little bit fatigued allowed the

(51:26):
Frenchi's opportunity. They took the opportunity. But I look back
and then should I could have done so much more personally.
We could have stopped that, but we didn't. We now
look back on this memory and it's phenomenal Pony to
have a home ground and the Audicts don't have a
home ground. We play everywhere, but our spiritual home often

(51:48):
is referred to at Eden Park. And to think that
we haven't lost a game at Eden Park since nineteen
ninety four, fifty one test matches ago, it's crazy. So
this is why this game tonight and every game since then,
you've got to defend that fortress. It is about mindset,
It is about stamping your authority. It is about this

(52:10):
first ten minutes of this game, to make it so
the Wallames go, shit, this is hard. There's no way
we can win here. That's exactly how we got to
start this game.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
I just want to ask you about a couple of
players in the current side. Fabi and Holland is a
new addition to the side in twenty twenty five. What
if you made of his introduction a test Rugby love.

Speaker 24 (52:27):
Him because he's a big unit. He's a big unit
who knows how to us his size. His work rate's phenomenal.
You see big man on the ground popping up bang
into the next phase, so that's really good. Understands his
role as well, so he will play a little bit
tighter tonight, with toy a little bit wider. So that's
about the combination. What's my job tonight? Will Fabian Holand

(52:47):
be is saying what's my role? What do you want
from me? But what we want from him is just
getting his big body and shifting the ruckshading plenty of rucks,
taking the Wallabies out, actually physically dominating the Wallabies, making
them hurt. Okay, that tuck the Wallabies. But we can't
think like that. We have to think that the public
schoolboys and absolutely get into them and they're allowed to

(53:09):
govide wide to see I've loved the man.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
So to just say back into the second row. He's
sort of been used at blindside flank. You know three
or four times this year.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Was there something that you ever considered to move to six?

Speaker 8 (53:22):
Shit?

Speaker 24 (53:22):
No, you look at the six is that he just
talked about in my lineup? Was not going to get
a chance anyway. But the great thing about tuber Viety,
he still has the mindset of a type forward. He's
thinking tight, he's thinking ruthlessness, uncompromising and all of those things,
even when he's paying six. I liked him at six,
but he's still got that mindset of getting over the ball,

(53:43):
being negli, getting in the face of the opposition. And
yet if you can get in the face of the
opposition and put them off their game so they stopped
thinking about their role, but what you're doing to them,
that's a win for the All Backs. I love the
way he plays.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
Yeah, brilliant general manager of the All Blacks experience. Now
it's a job you clearly absolutely love. I just love
the social media you're put up and it's always just
with such enthusiasm and energy for the All Blacks brand.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
What's the role involved and how much do you enjoy it?

Speaker 24 (54:15):
All New Zealanders should be very proud of the brand,
the All Blacks, But the or Backs experience, but we
call it the All Backs experience, but it's actually for
all our teams in back a mighty all Blacks, which
are phenomenal, the Blackburns, which bring this amazing joy to
our game. They're different to the men, and that's good.
Are the superpower that the woman can have leading up
to a game is so different to the men. And

(54:36):
the men, of course are the brand itself, the All Blacks.
So we take people through this New Zealand story ready
through our rugby lens. But the connection we all have
to the game of rugby, whether we have players and
what that joes events to us as players and our families,
whether his fans like you, Piney, what that kind of means,

(54:57):
the puye that you get when the Orbacks come out
or the international is coming in. Want to learn a
little bit of who are the All Backs and why
are they so good? And that's why we like to
share were all these secrets because when you share, Pinty,
you learn, and when we share, it's always last year's
secrets for sharing, which means while we've got to get better,
yeah and better. So take people through the making how

(55:17):
do you make it all Black or blackburn? Well, how
you make an all black Pining? It's just that our
kids love our game. If our kids love the game
like you love the game, and they're connected to the
game or then that's a win. Most actually won't become
all blacks or blackburns, but if they're connected, that's what
we're after. When we shape, we play some games, which
is great, and then phenomenally this is amazing. What does

(55:40):
it feel like, Piney being an all black all black fern?
Will you sit in those changing rooms when you hear
that knock on their door?

Speaker 3 (55:48):
What does that mean to you?

Speaker 24 (55:50):
And that's what we try and express to the money.
How their visitors coming through before they connect with our haka,
they walk down this tunnel. The anthems are starting to
play the crowd, and we have the same for the
all blacks. Tonight, Pining will be some all blacks stare tonight.
Their minds will be clear. They could not wait to
get on that field. They were born for that moment.

(56:12):
Would there'll be other allbacks in the sheds tonight at
five o'clock? Who the brain is muddled? The expectations legacy
that Superman cakes some people got on would be a
heavy cloak for others. And that's why I want people
to experience when they come to the Allbacks Experience, would
they be a great the game with a clear mind

(56:33):
or would they just be a good Ruby player with
a muddled mind? And then you've got to face the Huckers.
So God, I'm doing because you've invited me onto the
show and I appreciate this, piny. I want people to
jump on any of our social channels Facebook, Instagram the
Allbacks Experience, predict tonight's score or the closest to for

(56:55):
the the Cup game. I will give where you get
a chance for you've got to be an Augland, We'll
give them the closest run on a family voucher to
come to the Orbacks Experience. But more importantly, it's about legacy.
Legacy is a really powerful word for the All Backs.
That's what we're about. When we have a legacy wall,

(57:16):
which shows you the win, loss and draw of every
All Blacks are tests. The Allbacks are played for one
hundred and twenty years, a seventy six point six percent
one record, And I want the lucky person, a lucky
family who predicts the right score for the night's game
to come through Sunday on Monday and put in a

(57:39):
black all black.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Sprig or no, say no complete, no, let's stay with black,
and they will.

Speaker 24 (57:47):
Be part of all Black legacy forever. That is damn cool.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
That is cool, all right.

Speaker 7 (57:53):
The all Blacks experience on Facebook or Instagram is where
you can make your prediction just on that legacy war.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I've had the pleasure of being there, and I could
spend two or three hours there. Come.

Speaker 7 (58:05):
Oh, you know, I've been watching a black sn'ce the
mid eighties, so we're talking, you know, forty years for
me to just just you know, walk along that wall
and say and see a black sprig or see a
sprig of a different.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Color, and remember that game so vividly and so clearly.

Speaker 24 (58:20):
Yeah, Pinet, we bring a lot of former players comes
from and take tours which are really special because our
guides are amazing. But the former players all have a
different story, a different journey, a different connection to that
to the jersey and now come through and two things happen.
Will either walk to their first test match and remember
that so vividly, or walk to their first loss in

(58:43):
the all black jersey and also remember that so vividly.
That you can talk about those games in detail. It's
it's incredible. And the Ladies, of course, underneath it. I'm
going to talk with Pride of our seventies six percent
wind record, the Ladies with their eighty two percent wind record,
the most successful sporting team in the world. It's right here,

(59:08):
our Blackburns, beautiful.

Speaker 7 (59:12):
Are you able to qualify how many of your visitors
are from overseas?

Speaker 24 (59:16):
Yep, sixty percent will come from overseas, all on the
cruise ships. A lot of green and cold of course
around this week. But the thing is when they come
into the All Back Experience and a wall of a jersey,
they actually leave buying a black jersey, Piney, and I
love that. I bloody love that. And the great thing

(59:37):
about our shop and you know, we can't put a
name on the back of an All Back jersey because
we don't own that jersey, Piney, We're just caretakers of
that jersey. But the great thing about coming to the
All Backs Experience, you can buy a jersey with your
name on it. I'll personalize it for you, no problems.
But just not the playing ones. We're great.

Speaker 7 (59:57):
Put a name on the plane ones, all right, just
to finish, because I know you've got a busy day head.
You've got to get back to the All Blacks experience
and greet some more visitors. What is your gut telling
you about the game this afternoon?

Speaker 24 (01:00:06):
Just have to win, no question about that. Your mindset
is an All Backs sitting there now. Should be no
other thought. It's about what's my job? What do I
have to do for that first ten minutes? And how
ruthless can I can be? There should be no other
thought ever come into your mind. And again, like this, Pinty,
it's overwhelming right playing for the All Backs for eighty minutes.

(01:00:27):
So if I'm sitting in those sheds, all I'm thinking
about is four ten minute games of rugby, bang bang bang.
Then I'm back in the sheds reset four ten minute
games of rugby, and even you, Piney can go hard
for ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I think, so.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Well, well, I'm not like you used to, but I
but putting it into bite size segments.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Like that, what a great idea.

Speaker 24 (01:00:48):
Yeah, that's the way I would play it, and that's
why I'd go hard. Do I'd have no other thoughts? Yep,
A lot of self belief. Maybe you might say arrogance
as well. But it's a fine line, piny, But I
have no other thought to go in there. We as
the All Backs, have to physically dominate the Australians. Be real,

(01:01:08):
niggling with them, put them off their game, don't allow
them to settle one little bit. Make remind them how
damn hard test Net rugby is. We give them that domination,
then we can play love it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
The All Blacks Experience on social media, get on there,
make your prediction for tonight, and it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Could be you planting that sprig in that I noticed.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
Yet you've only bought the black, only brought the black one,
and I think that's wise.

Speaker 24 (01:01:32):
I only think black mate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Come, I great to see you. Thanks for stuff again.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Thanks Minny Ian Jones there joining us seventy nine test
at one hundred and five game All Black and General
went a job of the All Blacks Experience and the
Sky City Precincts. Get on their socials, make your prediction
and it could be you putting that sprig into the
legacy wall to mark yet another famous victory for the
All Blacks. One twenty seven Here on news Talks, there
be coming to your life from the Kingslander lines are open.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Let's talk some rugby. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty back right after.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
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Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Got me barred up? Can you get me barn up?
As well?

Speaker 7 (01:02:22):
Obviously Ian Jones was you was your coach or a
team mate of yours and you listen to them for
five minutes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
You want to run through some brick walls.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Wouldn't you great to have a couple of punters join
us here at the Kingsland and now Stu and Neil.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Neil first time for you at Eton Park?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Is that right?

Speaker 25 (01:02:39):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
What why this game was just first father's days?

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
My son come down, one of my son's. I've got
three sons. One of my sons come down. So we
got to talk and I said, I've never been eating
park and he says, let's fix that, Dad.

Speaker 10 (01:02:52):
I love it and he did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
And I've got my whole three boys here. It's great,
good stuff, Stu. And you've never been either, No, no,
none of the boys have ever been. So yeah, are
you all going?

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:03:01):
Four of us.

Speaker 11 (01:03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:03:03):
As long as it's a good one for the Targo
this afternoon and then a good one for the old
Black tonight, I'll be a good trip.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Well, I hope, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:03:11):
I don't wish to rain on your parade, but I
know you're keeping half an eye on the Shield Challenge
and it's update our listeners actually on what's going on.
It's at four Side Bars Stadium, your beloved home ground
of your Otago site, North out to a fourteen to
seven leagues Oh yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:03:28):
Yeah, it's been a well quick start from the tag over. Yeah,
North Tarboro had a couple of lucky breaks, but it's
a long game.

Speaker 24 (01:03:34):
We'll be right at that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
Shields are funny old thing, isn't it, Neil. You know
it's changed in four or five times this year. Funny
things happen when that logs on the sideline.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
I definitely does it does I've been to I've been
to been the Shield Challenges before. You can have read
all that and come away empty handed. But it it
was great that last week was just a super unreal,
wasn't It was a great, great game. Did you feel
optimistic before that game or not really? Yeah, we always
thought we had a chance, but it never. Never you

(01:04:02):
didn't bet yourself against Kennbury.

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
Nothing that's right, That's right, Stu. All Blacks Wallabies. Do
you feel in any way nervous about this game?

Speaker 8 (01:04:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 26 (01:04:13):
I felt nervous before the South African game. But All
Blacks won't lose two in a rows. I'm pretty I
reckon it will be thirteen plus and then Perth will
be a different story. It could be a tight game,
but they'll have to leave it up their sleeve that
and bet on their shoulder that they want to prove
to the public that they're up for a day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
No, I think you're right.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
I think when the All Blacks lose, and particularly when
they get tied up, Yeah, the responses off and brutal,
isn't it? And you're right I think you know if
that's been simmering away in the All Blacks camp for
the last what thirteen fourteen days? Man, I expect a brutal,
brutal but you're so right about Perth because we beat
Argentina then lost to them, beats out Africa then lost
to them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
If we beat Australia, we could go to Perth and
not win that one.

Speaker 24 (01:04:53):
Neil, Yes, dead right, Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
But but it's good that you feel confident.

Speaker 7 (01:04:57):
And if you're about the five to five o'clock kickoff,
I guess it sort of cuts into your build up,
doesn't it a little bit?

Speaker 10 (01:05:03):
Coming here to the challenge?

Speaker 6 (01:05:04):
You know, the red it's your challenge is nice build
up to the to the test, and that means I
can go to give the bit because I'm giving a
bit older.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
Now you're talking my language, Neil, Now you're talking my language, right, boys,
give us a quick prediction of a winning margin before
you go to you.

Speaker 26 (01:05:19):
Yeah, I reckon probably all let's say thirty four or
sixteen ash.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Or something nice, good winning margin.

Speaker 24 (01:05:25):
I'll probably very close to that. I probably aren't twenty
four to forteen or something like that. Yeah, yeah, don't
n the rate of losgi side.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
What a great family occasion for you. I sincerely hope
that you don't have to be a witness to the lost.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
On your foot visit.

Speaker 26 (01:05:43):
Well, have the casinos to go off last night. Our
bet our luck has surely all run out, so we're
jeev for some good luck.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
So let's go love it boys. Hey, great to see
you both enjoy the rest of your state. Thanks for
stopping for a jet. Thanks, thank you, good on your boys.
Thanks indeed, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eight years
our phone number here at news Talks here, b we've
we'll try and get to some calls with fact.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
Let's do that now because we've got a bit of
clear ere. Hey, Jared, I know you've been wanting to
jet for a while. Nice to hear from you, mate,
Get fine here you go, mate, what you're having a
good time with the kids?

Speaker 16 (01:06:11):
Land?

Speaker 10 (01:06:12):
Are there a good time?

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
It's hard not to have a good time here.

Speaker 7 (01:06:15):
I must tell you, Jared, the vibe in the place
is of I was gonna say celebration, Probably not that yet,
but certainly high optimism.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Mate.

Speaker 18 (01:06:25):
Well that's great and and and so you should have.

Speaker 14 (01:06:28):
We should expect that with all the keywings there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
And that's just fine.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
But Piney, I just like to say, isn't it great
with your earlier interview with Nick Pharr, Jones and Cannon
It doesn't highlight.

Speaker 14 (01:06:44):
The camaraderie in sport when they talk about the you know,
the friends they still have after you know, all those years.

Speaker 18 (01:06:52):
Ago playing rugby together.

Speaker 14 (01:06:54):
It's a great representation of of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Jared, what a great point.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
And I was thinking exactly that actually when I was
listening to both Nick Farr Jones and Brendan Cannon. And
it's funny when when Ian Jones came and he went
straight up to Brendan Cannon and the two of them
had a conversation with one another. You know, played against
each other, not at test level, but they played against
each other in super rugby and and that friendship was
instantly sort of rekindled. I guess it's the same as
as the friendships we have, you know, the guys and

(01:07:23):
people we went to school with, you don't see them
for you know, twenty years, but you pick up where
you left off.

Speaker 14 (01:07:29):
Absolutely fine. And may I enlighten you of we know
to talk to you on radio sports.

Speaker 10 (01:07:36):
I really forget those.

Speaker 7 (01:07:37):
Moments we do, not, Jarre, those were Jared, those were
the days and good to rekindle our conversation here on
z B mate.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Are you are you feeling are you feeling confident about tonight.

Speaker 14 (01:07:49):
Look, Jason, you know what, and you met earlier that
that on the back of that laugh blot.

Speaker 12 (01:07:57):
That you know, we're expected to win and we should.

Speaker 14 (01:08:00):
And but I've got this other half of me as
well that the Wallaby they've got so much to pay for,
they're going to come out with such might on the
back of the recent rugby and put to bed hoodoo
at Eden Park.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
And it worries me.

Speaker 14 (01:08:19):
And you know that Wallaby team at the moment is
one of the best in a long time. And you know,
I lived in Sydney in the early two thousands and
I used to crop up living in Australia because we
used to lose more than we won.

Speaker 9 (01:08:32):
And I.

Speaker 14 (01:08:36):
And you know Nick Barr Jones mentioned, you know how
disappointing it is that we only have a two match
where's no games.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Maybe that needs to change, needs to change.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
But but I'm I'm I'm.

Speaker 14 (01:08:49):
Backing the av to get it done. But I reckon
it's going to be a thriller at Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Love it, Jeric.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
Great to your voice again, Bite, Thanks for calling in
callback anytime, mate. Maybe we can chat tomorrow after the
after the result is knowing, but good to chat to you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Greg. How are you.

Speaker 19 (01:09:05):
Hey?

Speaker 25 (01:09:05):
I need going very well.

Speaker 27 (01:09:07):
I'm actually driving up from New Plumbouth love it and
stuck on the Southern Motorway, but all going to plan.
I'll see you for a beer later on.

Speaker 10 (01:09:15):
Oh, let's talk to that.

Speaker 27 (01:09:16):
I just wanted to chat to you about.

Speaker 22 (01:09:19):
An old memory.

Speaker 27 (01:09:19):
I've got a pretty good man cave in New Plumuth
and one of the black and white photographs I've got
is signed by Alan Jones and it was from nineteen
eighty six, them holding the Bleeder's Low Cup and the
changing shed at Eden Park. Wow, I always laughed. I
laugh at myself purely because it's a black and white photo,
but obviously quite a significant moment. But I've hate my

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fair share of all black glosses, particularly in Sydney over
the years, and I hate losing to them. And we've
got a great record at Eden Park and we definitely
just need to maintain that tonight. And I love the
afternoon football.

Speaker 10 (01:09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:09:54):
Look, I'm a fan, so I know not everybody is,
but look, I mean I think people can sort of
get their build up underway early. You're obviously not too
far away, so hopefully you can make it in for
a for a pretest beer as well. And you're right, Greg,
I mean you're a similar generation to me and that,
by the sounds of it may be a bit younger.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
But you didn't used to know from test to test,
did you, whether we were going to win or whether
Australia were going to win?

Speaker 14 (01:10:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:10:20):
Too, right?

Speaker 27 (01:10:21):
Where tonight's my one hundred and second Test match.

Speaker 19 (01:10:25):
On board?

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
Get out one hundred and two Test matches? A holy
old battle from a mate, mate, that is inspirational. Well,
I hope the Southern Motorway clears in time for you
to get here, mate, if you if you're popping into
the Kingslander, if you can get here before three, mate,
or shout your beer. Drive safe though until then, oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighties our number now, Neil,

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you were there in eighty six when campees he broke
our hearts.

Speaker 22 (01:10:51):
Yes, I was piney and I was sitting with some
friends in the what was in the west stand. Just
historically there was a year of the baby Backs and
I remember they lost Darroly in the first Test. It
was second Test. We had the Cavalier attorneys and we thought, oh,
we'll white or all over the Aussies, and again it

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was a narrow wind, which was a bit surprising. And
then in the third test, the thing that stood out
for me was that we were frantically running round the
age as Frano Botka was first five, almost like Headner's chickens,
and the Aussie defense just held us and basically wore
us out. And then we seemed to lose the plot

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as to how to change our game plan and they
just I think the Aussis just wore us down and
that contributed to.

Speaker 11 (01:11:45):
Our defeat on the day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Now you might be able to confirm this.

Speaker 7 (01:11:48):
I had a feeling that right at the end of
that game, New Zealand needed to make a replacement and
sort of in the midfield positions, and I think Marty
Barry might have come on right at the end for
his one and only test, but didn't get on in
time to fill the gap that David Campease actually went

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through to score the try. Does that sound familiar?

Speaker 10 (01:12:14):
No, your memory is better than mine, Poney.

Speaker 22 (01:12:17):
I don't remember that incident. I remember kier and Cowley
not having a very successful goal kicking day, which happens
to all of us. But yeah, no, I don't remember
that replacement incident, but again that's just me not remembering it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:12:36):
I just I think, actually I don't remember it as such,
but I remember having that story told to me. And yeah,
but whether or not it would have made any difference
had there been somebody there, I mean a twenty two
points to nine when was in the context of matches
at that time, as you know, which were very close
between Bill Blacks and the Wallabies, was quite significant. So
let's hope that it doesn't repeat itself tonight. Are you

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feeling confident.

Speaker 11 (01:13:02):
Largely?

Speaker 22 (01:13:02):
But I'm just aware that Joe Smith is that clever
and he might decide. I think he's probably worked out
that sturdy Australian defense is probably his best method to
get a favorable result.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Great work, Neil, good to chat to you mate.

Speaker 7 (01:13:20):
Really have enjoyed reminiscing with you Hill, not so much
about eighty six but about matches from the last forty
years or so. All the best to you made and
maybe we can chat tomorrow after the after the game
is done. One forty one here on News Talks here,
But let's get a breakaway when we come back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
We're off to Australia.

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent set to join us right after.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
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Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
Bang on one forty five As we come to your
life from the Kingslander on New North Row, don't forget
that we are going right through to kickoff at three o'clock.
We're going to relocate to the All Blacks Fan Zone,
which is just about to open. If you're a ticket
holder to the game this evening or this afternoon later today,
if you're a ticket holder, you have access free access
to the fan zone on the Outer Oval at Eden Park,

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so it has just opened one forty five.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Get along there for live music.

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
Food trucks, some beverage options, a chance to perhaps rub
shoulders with a celebrity or two. We're going to be
there after three, so from three until five will be
continuing our build up from the All Blacks Fan Zone
on the Outer Roval at Eden Park. But let's get
you across the Tasman for our regular chat with our
Australian correspondent Adam Peacock.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Adam, as you can probably hear, we're.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
In the thicker things here at the Kingslander ahead of
Ledislow one this afternoon. How are you feeling about Australia's
chances of victory at Eden Park this afternoon?

Speaker 22 (01:14:57):
Yeah, not great.

Speaker 17 (01:14:58):
I'm got to be honest.

Speaker 11 (01:14:59):
We don't have a particularly good record at the ground,
saying that I was eighth the last time one and
I'm old, so yeah, look, it's not a lot of expectations,
especially no Will Skelton and a couple of other injuries
are picked up along the way, so very unfortunate timing
for those things to kind of yeah, you merge into

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what was looming is a pretty good opportunity. Like we've
said it for a long time, and this is our
best chance to knock off to the All Blacks in
New Zealand for the last twenty years and it hadn't happened,
but this seemed like a pretty good one given the
form of you guys, in the form of our guys
for the last couple of weeks. But yeah, not entirely sure,
especially with those outs.

Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
Do you still feel as though the Wallabies are on
an upward trajectory that you know, it seems to be
the improvements obvious, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:15:46):
Yeah, you take what was like ground zero and I'd
say that was just after the last World Cup and
Eddie Jones now his reputation in Australian rugby is that
of a scorch to his policy pretty much of how
he did things and it didn't pay off at that
World Cup. And then what's been built since. Joe Schmidt
absolutely clear that it's going in the right direction. So yeah,

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we'll see how far they have actually come in a
good game like this this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
Indeed, all right, it's not the only big sporting fixture
on the Australian calendar today. In fact, probably the biggest
day on the Australian sporting calendar the AFL Grand Final
Geelong against the Brisbane lines that are sold out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Mcg This is the biggest day, isn't in an Australian sport.

Speaker 11 (01:16:31):
It's probably the biggest weekend because we've got all this
and then yeah we've got the bladderslaw thrown in and
I don't know what we're going to be administrators are
doing trying to go head to head with all of
this in Australia.

Speaker 25 (01:16:42):
And I know.

Speaker 11 (01:16:42):
Australia only has a quarter vote in the Rugby Championship
in Southern Nations to take into account as well. But
if you want to maximize your prior, I can get
fresh air for it. I don't think this is the
way to go about it because the AFL Grand Final
it's one of those that's our little luck mini super
Bowl that even if you're not interested in AFL you
probably tune in and have a look at it, especially
because they've got Snoop Dogg playing Preak Brigade entertainment, you know,

(01:17:04):
it brings a lot of other people in. So yeah,
it is a huge weekend overall. In Melbourne. It's the
biggest thing since I perd Our Day in September and
it's huge and they'll have one hundred thousand there. But
the rest of the country kind of goes along for
the ride for those few hours at the game's on,
which makes it unfortunate that it's directly head to head
with the Bladders. Like the Bladders itself deserves its own

(01:17:27):
time slot and its own fresh air.

Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
This is the Brisbane line's third straight appearance in the
Grand Final. Are they favorites or right Geelong favorites?

Speaker 11 (01:17:34):
Oh, Geelong of favorites. Brisbane have done well to get there.
They've had issues around their best player locking Neil being fit,
but Slong are just this great unit and they've had
so much consistency over the last twenty year. They're always
there or thereabout. They never have bad years Geelong, and
they made the last game of the season again and

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deserving favorite.

Speaker 7 (01:17:55):
We'll keep eyes on that this afternoon and then of
course the NRL preliminary finals. The Storm into the Grand
Final are twenty to fourteen. Went over the Sharks in
Melbourne last night. They're going to play the winner of
tomorrow match between the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
And the Panthers.

Speaker 7 (01:18:10):
The Panthers, I think we'll see that the last two
or three weeks. They just seem to be on this
inevitable sort of road to the Grand Final. Or might
it stop in Brucebane tomorrow?

Speaker 11 (01:18:19):
Yeah, it could do. Just like it's a flick at
the corner, I reckon, but it's a good floop at
the coin because it would be far up and open,
really warm conditions up at Brisbane. I think it'll be
a great game of footy in the afternoon footy as well.
And that's one thing about the Blood as I would
say that hopefully it's away from the wet at night,
which can happen that they ping it around a bit,

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and that's certainly what's going to happen in the NURL
Prelium final. Look to the majority of the year we
had Caner all the Bulldogs on top and we're thinking, oh,
finally something different. But for all in sent and purposes,
we could end up in the same GREAD final as
the last year in Melbourne. Melbourne and Penrith and Penrith
had just come good at the right time, they freshened
their players up. So I just favored the Emmiga in Brisbane.
But there should be a fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
And footy and whoever goes through, well, actually we can't
really say that because I get the feeling of Penrith
go through. The'll probably be favorites against the Storm, but
would the Storm. I mean, they must be confident they're
there again. Craig Bellamy just knows how to get these
things done, doesn't he.

Speaker 11 (01:19:15):
Yeah, eleventh Grand Final for Craig Bellamy, it's an incredible
record and look he's got this side playing well. But
you get the feeling that they haven't totally clicked for
eighty minutes. But I've been saying to people, maybe that's
just them. Maybe they're not as good as some of
maybe the other Storm teams had been over the past,
that they've got so much strike. They're a bit different

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Melbourne when they were great back in the day, they
were methodical and they wore teams down and they just
ground them into the dirt. But this team can just
come up with the try out of nowhere, so they're
pretty good to watch. But yeah, I think if Melbourn
played prison in the Grand File, Melbourne going his favorite
because if Penrod might be ground file, they have their
favorite because they wont for and or Roll.

Speaker 7 (01:19:56):
And yeah, it's one of those weekends where you need
screens everywhere. We haven't even talked about the Ryder Cup,
which I know you keep hys F as well. So
good luck getting anything else done across this weekend apart
from watching sport. Adam good to chat as always. We'll
do it again next Saturday. You too, find have it
the one you have a good one too at Amana Peacock.
Our Australian corresponded with news from across the Tasman Year.

(01:20:16):
Massive day in Melbourne, obviously, I'm sure there are plenty
of Victorians who don't even know there's a rugby game on.
They seem to be fairly blinked in Victoria towards the
AFL Grand Final.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
But it is a massive massification.

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
Huge Geelong Lions against the sorry Geelong Cats against the
Brisbane Lions this afternoon. Almost got myself in trouble there
and looking forward to seeing how that pans out. A
little bit later on this afternoon four thirty is when
that game is underway. And of course don't forget the
NRL with the second of those matches with a Grand
Final spot on the line when the Penrith Panthers try

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and beat the Brisbane Broncos and Brisbane tomorrow, I ate
away from two here on News Talks, you'd be live
from the Kingslander.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
One fifty five.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
Here on News Talks heb at the Kingslander, the only
place to be in the build up to the test
this afternoon at Eden Park, which is just a decent
punt away from here, really effect I think Jordy Barrett
could probably punt the ball from the Kingslander to Eden
Park if we really wanted. To News coming up at
two o'clock after two we're joined by Ryan Fox. Going

(01:21:33):
to be great to get the chance to chat to
our number one men's golfer off the back of what
has been a breakthrough year for him, a couple of
wins on the PGA Tour and presumably anyway that earns
him a lot of freedom in terms of the events
that he has already qualified for in twenty twenty six
and makes a schedule I'm sure a lot more, a

(01:21:56):
lot less challenging actually to achieve. So Ryan Fox is
gonna pop into the Kingslander for a young just after
two o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Don't forget, we're going right through.

Speaker 7 (01:22:03):
Until five when kick off is scheduled, or just after
five o'clock. After three we're going to relocate. Now, let's
hope we can get there relocate from the Kingslander to
the All Blacks fan Zone. The fan zone is open
right now on Eden Park's outer Oval. If you are
a ticket holder, you are able to access the fan

(01:22:24):
zone in the lead up to the test.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Will be broadcasting from there after three o'clock.

Speaker 7 (01:22:28):
A couple of texts Piney after that, Ian Jones chat
I'm ready to run through a brick wall, mate, inspirational,
Yeah he was, and another Ian Jones text here as well.
Listening to Ian Jones has me really fight up for
this game. The guy's of bloody legend, the lover's passion
for the black jersey. That is absolutely true. You only
have to listen to Ian Jones for a few seconds

(01:22:49):
and you get that passion coming through News next and
then Ryan Fox.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Bringing you the buildout, the battle and the banter as
we count down to the first Bledisloe come Test of
twenty twenty five. It's Weekend Sport with Jason VLAs live
from the Kingsland.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Who are Auckland on your home of Sport News Talks EDB.

Speaker 7 (01:23:12):
Hello there and welcome and welcome back as the case
may be. This is Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB.
Seven past two. We're coming to your live from the
Kingslander on New North Road. It is widely agreed that
it is the best place to prepare for a Test
match if you're not playing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
In the test match.

Speaker 7 (01:23:31):
If you're playing in the test match, this would be
the worst possible place I would imagine that you'd want
to be but for the punters, and there are many
of them who are shortly well. In the next couple
of hours anyway, set to head to Eden Park for
Bledislow Cup Test number one for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
It is proving a very popular location. Lots and lots
of All Blacks fans, as.

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
You would probably expect comparing it to when we were
here a couple of weeks ago. When was it three
weeks ago? When the All Blacks played South Africa at
Eden Park. That day it was about fifty to fifty
in the Kingslander in terms of All Blacks fans and
South African fans. The number of spring Box fans that

(01:24:13):
day was incredible. Incredible to see not so many in
Green and Gold here at the Kingslander today, but that's
not to say that there aren't any. I saw a
group of about five walking before All wearing from head
to toe green and gold suits, looking absolutely resplendent as
they set as they get set to support that team

(01:24:36):
this afternoon, and as I say, a number of all
Blacks fans here as well, getting set for a five
past five kickoff, and what a test match we have.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
In store for you.

Speaker 7 (01:24:48):
Just reminding you we will be carrying on after three
o'clock today. Normally we hand over to the weekend collector.
With it being a five past five kickoff, it is
we thought only right to carry on. So after three
o'clock we'll have Mills Mullyana on the show. Dame ly
Carrington will also be joining us after three and all

(01:25:10):
the build up continues as we come to you live
from the Kingsland up on New North Road. But a
great pleasure to welcome in our number one male golfer,
currently ranked thirty seventh in the world and this year
two time went up on the PGA Tour.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Factor three would all over it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Oh now we're talking what a beautiful shy.

Speaker 16 (01:25:41):
Two putts for a second PGA tour when and you'll
take them. The fantastic mister Fox.

Speaker 7 (01:25:53):
Is the King of Canada, The King of Canada indeed,
and joining us at the Kingslander, Ryan Fox. Great to
see you, mate. I'll just turn you on mate if
we go. Nice to see you you too well. I
mean it's like an All Blacks tear stay, doesn't it.
You still follow the All Blacks closely from wherever you
are around the world.

Speaker 10 (01:26:11):
I certainly do. That's a little hard to watch it
in the US.

Speaker 28 (01:26:16):
Time differences don't quite work out as well as i'd hope,
and they still haven't quite worked out what rugby is
than the mainstream over there, so they probably need to
do some research on streaming.

Speaker 10 (01:26:27):
But yeah, I follow it, I love it, and ye're
looking forward to this afternoon.

Speaker 7 (01:26:32):
You were born in nineteen eighty seven, so just a
few months before your dad guided the All Blacks to
Rugby World Cup glory in eighty seven. Were you aware
When did you become aware of your father as a
rugby player, not just your dad.

Speaker 28 (01:26:50):
He retired when I was six, so I probably didn't
quite grasp the concept.

Speaker 10 (01:26:55):
While he was still playing. I remember a couple of
couple of games of him.

Speaker 28 (01:26:59):
Playing, but I more remember, you know, running around the
aftermatch function, you know, kicking balls on the field after
the game. When you were allowed to do that.

Speaker 17 (01:27:09):
That.

Speaker 10 (01:27:09):
The only thing I really remember is him kicking a
goal against the Lions in ninety three, which I think
was for Auckland, and I remember to win the game,
but I subsequently told it was like twenty minutes to
go or whatever. But that's what a six year old
brain remembers. But yeah, I sort of as I got older,

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I appreciated it more.

Speaker 28 (01:27:31):
Obviously, I understood a bit more, and you know, he
was getting stopped in the street and all of that.
And you watched a few of the old games and
was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:27:40):
Actually, yeah, Dad was pretty good under statement, So how
seriously did you play right be?

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Growing up?

Speaker 28 (01:27:47):
I was the whole way through school. I played first
fifteen at Kings and seventh form. Probably had a few
too many concussions to carry on, but yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 10 (01:27:58):
I wasn't I didn't help myself.

Speaker 28 (01:28:01):
I played ten and I kept goals as well, so
there was only going to be one comparison there, and
I was never going to live up to that.

Speaker 10 (01:28:08):
The only thing I had on the old man is
I wasn't afraid of tackling.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
I'm sure that's something you've reminded him of in the
years since.

Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
Yeah, and of course your.

Speaker 7 (01:28:16):
Mum's dad, MERV Wallace, captain New Zealand's and cricket as well,
and was an absolutely brilliant batsman, so you would have
been a decent cricketer as well.

Speaker 10 (01:28:24):
Yep. I played cricket all the way through school too.

Speaker 28 (01:28:27):
I played a year of club cricket after I left
school and didn't enjoy that as much as school cricket.

Speaker 10 (01:28:33):
And that's when I tried tournament golf.

Speaker 28 (01:28:36):
I played off two at that point, you know, so
I was a decent golfer, but you know, never took
it seriously. And when I was doing a lawd of
Great Auckland UNI and gave up cricketer, I'm been thought
I need something competitive.

Speaker 10 (01:28:47):
What am I going to do? I was like, oh,
I've played a couple of junior tournaments. I liked those.
Let's give that a crack and that was me done.

Speaker 7 (01:28:53):
What a year it's been for you, mate, those two
PGA Tour wins. I've heard you say a couple of
times that you knew your best golf across a given
weekend was good enough to beat the best golfers in
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Is that what happened? At least twice this year.

Speaker 28 (01:29:08):
Yeah, I mean, obviously Myrtle Beach was an ultimate event,
so it wasn't the best of the best playing, but
there's still some really good players.

Speaker 10 (01:29:16):
But you know, Canada is as a pretty prestigious event.
You know, Rory was playing that week.

Speaker 28 (01:29:22):
There was a few other a few other guys playing
this week in the Ryder Cup that were playing, So yeah,
it was that one was extra special. You know that
the getting the first one was was amazing and if
that was the only one, great, but Canada was just
that little bit better. And obviously you know, getting it
done in the playoff and everything, Yeah it was. It

(01:29:42):
was great and you know, nice to get to that
point where, yeah, as you said, I had kind of
believed it, and it was nice to actually do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
It in Canada.

Speaker 7 (01:29:52):
It was what the fourth playoff hole to beat Sam Burns,
Were you more relaxed in that playoff situation, having.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Already chalked up when it moved or beach or not.

Speaker 28 (01:30:01):
Yeah, Look, I think a playoffs probably a little bit
more relaxed to an extent than coming down the stretch anyway,
because you know, the worse you can finish the second
like I always thought playoffs are something that you see
as an opportunity.

Speaker 10 (01:30:13):
I've got a chance to win, give it a go.

Speaker 28 (01:30:15):
If it doesn't work out, well, you know, it's not
like you can double the last and finish Firth. But yeah,
it was certainly a little easier in Canada knowing I'd
already done it at Myrtle Beach. Now was you know,
kind of playing with house money. And it was the
same coming down the stretch there. It was like, I'm
not playing for anything by trying to win the tournament,

(01:30:37):
and that's a really good place to be coming down
the streets. You're not thinking big picture, it's worth first
saw I need these points to keep my card or anything.
It was like, I've got to reything sort of, I
just want to win, and it was it was nice
to pull it off down the stretch jumping around.

Speaker 7 (01:30:51):
But back to Myrtle Beach, that chip, that chippin' to winners.
How do you reflect on that on that golf shot.

Speaker 28 (01:31:01):
Honestly, I just look at it at I'd had a
bit of bad luck in playoff and that was that
was the one that I got it all back. You know,
I had a couple of guys whole stupid amounts of
puts on me and the Irish Open and the Dutch
Open on the dp Wold Tour. And when I hit
it in the trees on on eighteen the Myrtle Beach,

(01:31:23):
which actually wasn't that bad a tea shot, it just
clipped the edge of it, spat it left, and I
was like, oh, it's going to be this again.

Speaker 10 (01:31:29):
You know, it's you know, I get stuffed in a playoff.

Speaker 28 (01:31:31):
But I thought I was pretty lucky to get into
a playoff. And then I had a great shot to
get to that back of the green and when that
chip went and I was like, oh, okay, I've had
the luck go the other way for once. And I'm
standing there looking at my caddy going we're about due
for something to go our way in a playoff. And
I couldn't watch the guy's part and just went on
the crowd reaction. I was like, oh, well, okay, that

(01:31:53):
happened pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Loved it. And then your kids playing in the sand.

Speaker 10 (01:31:57):
Yep that was in Canada.

Speaker 28 (01:31:58):
I mean, they couldn't have kid less that dad was
standing up there with a trophy and talking to a
few people.

Speaker 10 (01:32:03):
They just saw a big sandpit and wanted.

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
To the other special part of it that Canadian Open
was the fact that there were members of the All
Whites watching as well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
They were over there for a mini tournament.

Speaker 7 (01:32:15):
That must have been quite cool to have some other Kiwis,
or not just Kiwis, but key we sports people there
as well.

Speaker 10 (01:32:19):
Yeah, it was really cool.

Speaker 28 (01:32:21):
I don't even know they were playing until like a
couple of days before, and I got off of tickets
to their game, but we were staying quite a way
away and it was pretty hard to make it into
Toronto itself, and.

Speaker 10 (01:32:35):
I heard Chris wood had asked if he could get
some tickets for Sunday.

Speaker 28 (01:32:38):
I said, no problem, And actually I sent one of
the PGA to a media guys into the game. He's
a Kiwi by the name of Mark Williams, and he
was like, oh, how you got a contact for the game?

Speaker 10 (01:32:48):
Can I get in?

Speaker 28 (01:32:49):
I'm like, yeah, mate, no problem. Got on some tickets
and then he got in touch with the All Whites guys,
and it wasn't just a.

Speaker 10 (01:32:54):
Few of them that wanted to come out, it was
all of them. And I could hear.

Speaker 28 (01:32:59):
I could definitely hear them when I was out on
the golf course during the round. I didn't really pay
that much attention out on the while on the golf course,
but you know, coming in and seeing them all there
at the end was pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
You know.

Speaker 28 (01:33:13):
It's amazing that keywis pop up everywhere, and to have
the all whites there to celebrate it was extra special.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Yeah, very very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Like it.

Speaker 7 (01:33:20):
We're going to find it later in the year where
they're going to be based for the World Cup next year.
I don't know that the schedules are unlikely to collide favorably,
but who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
You might be able to return the favor and go
along and watch them play.

Speaker 10 (01:33:29):
That would be very cool. Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
So how much freedom does twenty twenty five give you
over your twenty twenty sixth schedule?

Speaker 10 (01:33:38):
Basically all the freedom in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
You know.

Speaker 28 (01:33:41):
The biggest thing on the PJA too and now is
finishing in that top fifty in the FedEx Cup, and
that gives you you get to pick and choose your schedule.
I get all the elevated events or signature events next year.
I got three of the four majors guaranteed. I'm not
quite not in the US Open yet, but in a
pretty good place world ranking wise to get in next year, and.

Speaker 10 (01:34:03):
It's a lot different than it has been the last
couple of years.

Speaker 28 (01:34:06):
I feel like the PGA Tour does a great job
of making you play, whether you're trying to keep a
card or you're trying to get into something, and I
certainly had that in the last couple of years. I
ended up playing a lot of events to try to
get into those signature events. And then this year, obviously,
with a couple of wins, I got in a couple
of majors and a couple of signature events and ended
up playing something like nine of ten weeks in a

(01:34:27):
row through the middle of the year.

Speaker 10 (01:34:28):
And I was pretty beaten up at the end of
the year because of that.

Speaker 28 (01:34:32):
It was all worth it, though, and then next year,
you know, I know, at the start of the year,
for the first time, I can at least until the
Open in July, I can pick my schedule and.

Speaker 10 (01:34:42):
Pretty much not deviate from that, which will be really good.

Speaker 7 (01:34:45):
Winning a major Is that a goal? Is it even
a thing to be a goal? Or is it just
something that will happen as a product of your continued
good form as a golfer.

Speaker 28 (01:34:56):
I feel like that's on the dream list rather than
a straight goal list. But you know, winning on the
PGA Tour was a dream two or three years ago,
so you know, that jumped into the goal list this year.
So hopefully the same thing can kind of happen with
a major. You know, I have proven to myself that
my good golf is good enough. It's just a question

(01:35:20):
of doing it in the right week, and that's really
hard to do. I mean there's a few guys that
tend to do it pretty well. Tigers the obvious one
over the years, Scotti Scheffler seems very very good at
doing it. Rory has always been good at doing it.
But you know there's a lot of top players that
struggle with it sometimes too. You just you go out,
you try to do your best, and if it works,

(01:35:40):
it works. If it doesn't it doesn't then, you know,
major championships, if you're a little bit off, you get
beaten up really really quickly. So yeah, hopefully next year,
I've obviously got at least three chances, and you know,
hopefully one of those three weeks is the week that
I play really good and give myself a chance on
Sunday and at that point, anything can happen.

Speaker 7 (01:36:00):
So you're back home here for what about eight weeks,
a couple of tournaments in Australia back in November early December.

Speaker 28 (01:36:06):
Yep, I've got Ossie PGA Assie Open, which feels like
my start of the season.

Speaker 10 (01:36:11):
Really, this is my holiday, you know, got.

Speaker 28 (01:36:15):
A couple of young kids, and spend some time with
them doing dad stuff and catch up with friends and
family and all all that kind of stuff, and hopefully
do a little bit of fishing in the next month
or so, and then getting into November, start the prep
for those two Ossie events and you know, I get
I'll take a little bit of time off again before Christmas,
but then it'll be building up to you know, the

(01:36:36):
starter next year, and I don't know where my first.

Speaker 10 (01:36:39):
Event will be. That's the only pick up in the schedule.

Speaker 28 (01:36:42):
The Century's not going to be in Hawaii this year
or next year, so just kind of waiting on news
to figure out where that's going to be.

Speaker 10 (01:36:49):
But yeah, it's it's nice to have a break.

Speaker 28 (01:36:53):
It's been a been a busy year and looking forward
to some downtime and kind of an off season. Get
the body, sort of get the mind, sorted and hopefully
find a golf game in November.

Speaker 7 (01:37:02):
And a NUK of fuel chasing the foxes back Royal
Living Range Golf Hub December twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Different format this year as a yeah, it.

Speaker 10 (01:37:10):
Is if anyone's followed it.

Speaker 28 (01:37:12):
The last couple of years, the guys playing their own
ball have really struggled, and it's you know, we personally,
I feel like there's a bit of pressure on there.
You want to play really well six holes as a sprint,
and if you miss a couple of parts earlier or
hit one bad shot, you're kind of out of the event.
And you know Nick Randall, who who's the brains behind it.

(01:37:35):
Him and I have had a good chat about it
over the last sort of six months and tried to
figure out what we could do better, and you know,
one was making sure that we have a partner. So
we're still working out sort of the logistics of all
of that and who that's going to.

Speaker 10 (01:37:51):
Be and everything. But I'm going to play with someone
this year, you know, Dan Helly.

Speaker 28 (01:37:56):
I hopefully we'll be back and he'll play with someone
and just to make it a bit more interesting for us,
hopefully we can be in it the whole time. It
also gives us some scope for the bit of teams
that we can get some better golfers for them. We've
tried to manage it the last few years with if
there's three good golfers and a team, they're going to
be impossible to beat.

Speaker 10 (01:38:16):
So we've managed the handicap so it feels like it's
going to be fair.

Speaker 28 (01:38:20):
Whereas you know, this year, hopefully with two of us
against three, we can just get the best golfers possible.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
What's it like watching a rugby test with your dad?

Speaker 28 (01:38:31):
You need mus to be honest, No, obviously he's he's
very passionate about it. Still, he's very knowledgeable. He's always
had a pretty short fuse. I think anyone that anyone
that ever played with him, you know who was known
as the little General and that still comes out. He
likes swearing at the TV and it all comes from

(01:38:51):
a good place. But he can be he can be
a little bit loud to watch that you watch the
game with.

Speaker 7 (01:38:57):
Great to see you, mate, Thanks for making time you
know in your time off to come and never chat
to us. Enjoy the rest of the day man, and
really good to catch up. Congratulations on a magnificent year. Thanks, Jason,
appreciate it all the best. D mate Jess Ryan Fox
joining us here at the Kingslander. Gee, what a year
for her mate. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you want to join the conversation, we're here at
the Kingslander until three o'clock this afternoon, and then we'll

(01:39:19):
transition across to the fan zone where we'll have the
chance to chat to many more punters and others besides.
But let's take a break, come back with some of
your calls. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is
Weekend Sport on news TALKSHEEDB two twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
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Speaker 7 (01:39:46):
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty can take some
calls on the Bladerslough this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
It's been a busy whole afternoon, I can tell you.

Speaker 7 (01:39:52):
Just before we go to the lines, Mike says Foxy
winning the PGA at Wentworth and then Alfred Dunhill showed
Ryan could beat the best in the world. But not
only that, he comes across as one of the world's
good blokes. Absolutely one of the world's best blokes. That's
the thing of Ryan Fox, is he just I mean,
he's so famous, but he's just sort of here at
the King's Land with everybody else and sort of moving

(01:40:13):
around saying good ay and just enjoying himself.

Speaker 15 (01:40:16):
So good gooda Mark, Yeah, good afternoon, Boddy.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
How are you.

Speaker 10 (01:40:20):
I'm good it you're good.

Speaker 15 (01:40:22):
Here'd be a part owners of the King's Lander, won't
you if you get them any more time?

Speaker 7 (01:40:25):
Yeah, they're going to offer me some shares. I'm sure
Mark in the company if I continue to show up
as I have. But I can tell you, mate, it's
not the worst place in the world.

Speaker 22 (01:40:35):
No it's not.

Speaker 19 (01:40:36):
I'm just got a quick one for you, Piney.

Speaker 15 (01:40:38):
I come into the year the Yeah, the corn Elison's
scored the four tries against the All Blacks. Now, I
hope it doesn't happen again. And I'd just like to
know if that record still stands for anybody to score
that many tries against the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
That's a very good question.

Speaker 7 (01:40:53):
So I remember Greg corn Nelson scoring those four tries
would have been what late sevens, he's early eighties around there.

Speaker 11 (01:41:00):
Well, I'm not sure.

Speaker 15 (01:41:01):
Yeah, it was in the eighties somewhere, pioneer.

Speaker 11 (01:41:04):
I was there that day, but I was drinking double Brown, So.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
So you can't you can't. You can't remember it. Nineteen
seventy eight, Mark, I can tell you nineteen, Yeah, that
was it.

Speaker 15 (01:41:19):
Did that record still stand for anybody to scored that
many tries against the All Blacks?

Speaker 7 (01:41:23):
I'm just trying to remember anyone getting four tries against
the All Blacks since then. Now, you know, the good
thing Mark about this is that somebody will know if
it has been done, and they will us know, so
so we'll check it out there. No one jumps instantly
to mine, No one. I can't remember anybody scoring four tries.

(01:41:45):
I can remember All Blacks scoring four tries. I know
Will Jordan got five in the game. But yeah, but look,
let's let's throw it out there to the assembled throng.

Speaker 15 (01:41:55):
All right, and say, I do have the AA number
if you need it, so.

Speaker 7 (01:42:02):
Thanks, Mark, I'll get you to give it to my
producer off air and Phad we can we can make
use of it if we need it good to chat
to oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's a
spear line there if you want to jump aboard. Just
updating you from Forsyth Bar Stadium in Dunedin, where Otago
will put the Ranfurley Shield on the line today against

(01:42:23):
North Harbor.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Earlier on in the game, North Harbor, we're looking all right.

Speaker 7 (01:42:27):
Actually, they were out to a fourteen points to seven
lead after twenty minutes. A couple of tries, including one
to Mark t Layer and fourteen to seven. They were
ahead after twenty minutes, but then it's been all Otago
since then and they now lead by twenty eight points

(01:42:48):
to fourteen, twenty eight points to fourteen, and that's with
an hour gone. So it looks very much as though
Otago will hold on to the Ranfurley Shield, not just today,
but we'll hold on to it for the rest of
this year and through the summer because there are no more.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
There are no more challenges to be for Otago.

Speaker 7 (01:43:08):
If North Harbor do somehow find a way back into
this game and end up taking the shield with them
back up to Albany, then they will have to fend
off a challenge from South for next weekend. But at
the moment it's looking like Otago might have the log
for the summer Warren four tries.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
What have you got for a step up?

Speaker 17 (01:43:27):
I was there that day with my father in law.
He was a rugby fan. I was a rugby league fan.
Took me to see an all that game. We sat
behind the gold host and I remember every tribe and
Greek all out the cord had he won.

Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
The crowd up Broad a.

Speaker 17 (01:43:43):
Little bit louder, but it was a memorable occasion. I
don't think anybody had bellance don no.

Speaker 7 (01:43:49):
I can't imagine. And the fact that he was a
loose forward as well. I remember him and you probably
will do. Warre it as a big guy. Big beard
had a headband on. From memory, does that sound familiar?

Speaker 17 (01:43:59):
Yep. He looked like like common leaves look alike. He
had that sort of build the headband on. Quite a
strappy guy. For him to score it oop right, it
was quite quite amazing to watch.

Speaker 8 (01:44:08):
It really was.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Yeah, unbelievable. So was that your first time at Eaton
Park and my first.

Speaker 17 (01:44:13):
Time in eating targets? And say my father in law,
I've met the father in law. He was a real
Redbach break me fan. He could name the Orange boy
for the first All back team. He knew that much
about it. And he was coaching me about the game
and I'm thinking, I'm a league man, I love you
freaking me. But it was a great day, was really
really good. I'm still a league man and afore man
and I'm a game for the Wallaby to nine and

(01:44:35):
I hope they can repeat it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
The force ride good one, you Warren.

Speaker 7 (01:44:38):
It takes the calling with your memories, mate, Yeah, what
a day that was, not only for Greek corn Nelson,
but for the all for the Wallabies as well to
get the job done.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Dave Bie mate, there morning good in.

Speaker 11 (01:44:49):
The eighth Nelson.

Speaker 19 (01:44:51):
Yeah, it was the only tribe he was scored.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
And the tea get out.

Speaker 19 (01:44:56):
On the next part was because I was there and yeah,
and then they beat us ninety eighty in the series
and we lost all go then mind he give me
hind They prost Bill as they packed in one of
so four games we lost him around and they won
eighty two.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
That's incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:45:12):
So so he got four tries in that test, Andrew,
And I'm just having a photo taken, just just kidding
a photo, taking a little sorry, Dave, my my attention
was divided there for a second guy came over for
a fund. He doesn't understand the live radio part of this, clearly. Yeah,
but so four tries and that tests and no more

(01:45:33):
tries ever ninety eight.

Speaker 19 (01:45:36):
I think he's carried on eighty four. He never scored
any tries after that. And in ninety eighty six you're
talking about ninety eighty six and Peas was at fall,
but he just tries. The guys would put us apart
wall and it wasn't still the normal combination. That was
Andrew Black and brick petwoods that wasn't coming foreign and

(01:45:56):
Jason littlecause they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Come onong for water long no true true.

Speaker 19 (01:45:59):
Yeah, we're went to Lega aftert but he's absolutely destrayed
up the buildings have never been in still was upistone.

Speaker 11 (01:46:06):
And poll come your medium.

Speaker 7 (01:46:09):
I remember Brett Papworth had this amazing step. Do you
remember that he used to step guys like they weren't even.

Speaker 11 (01:46:15):
There they here to That was along the woods.

Speaker 17 (01:46:21):
And so it was a good tackler.

Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
Yeah, Dave, good to chat to you, mate, Thanks for
calling him with your memories. Sorry, I had to leave
the conversation halfway through to get a photo taken. I'm
not sure that that guy probably thinks he's getting a
photo with a Prime minister or something like that. Similar
kind of haircut. Oh, i'd had eighty ten eighty our number, Damo,
says Jason. I agree with your thoughts on the All

(01:46:45):
Blacks game, but I'm broke and I'm back to Australia
one to twelve at six dollars fifty, looking forward to
an Australian win and making perfect sighting. Yeah, I'm not
sure that I that I want that to happen, and
I'm not sure that it will happen. As I said
at the top of the show for those who are listening,
I just think what happened two weeks ago in Wellington

(01:47:09):
will have a huge, huge effect.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
On what happens at Eden Park later on today.

Speaker 7 (01:47:16):
It just feels to me as though when the All
Blacks lose the game of rugby in the fashion that
they did, and look, they've never lost by that many.
We all know this the biggest ever defeat, it just
feels to me like a response is absolutely compulsory. It
is just required and on an occasion such as this

(01:47:38):
where you feed that in. Then you think about the
eden Park record of fifty one games and counting without
defeat in.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
A Test match there for the All Blacks.

Speaker 7 (01:47:52):
Then you start thinking about the Bledisloe Cup and the
fact that Australia haven't had their hands on that since
Brendan Cannon, who we spoke to earlier on in the show,
was part of the team that lifted it in two
thousand and two. All Blacks got it back in two
thousand and three, big went over in Melbourne.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
Was Melbourne or Sydney?

Speaker 7 (01:48:12):
I think fifty four they put on the Wallabies that day,
came back and at eden Park twenty one seventeen from memory,
they won it in two thousand and three and it
hasn't been on the other side of the Tasman since.
It just feels to me as though there's too many
factors at play for the All Blacks not to win tonight.

(01:48:36):
I know that's not really based on anything other than
sort of not absolutes, sort of vagaries, but it feels
a bit like the South African Test here three weeks ago,
where there was the eden Park record on the line.
There was the long standing rivalry with South Africa and

(01:48:57):
the fact that they felt that this was their chance
to break down the one final barrier that they hadn't
been able to breach, and that was the eden Park Fortress.
We had Ardie save as one hundred at the Test
match that night, so there was the extra emotion wrapped
around that too. It just feels a bit similar tonight
to me that there's too much at play here. There's

(01:49:19):
too many factors playing into this, Jake says Jason Norman.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Old bugget.

Speaker 7 (01:49:27):
When was the Test that Australia won when John Eels
kicked the late penalty? Wasn't that at eden Park, Jake?
That was at sky Stadium. That was in two thousand.
We were chatting about that earlier on this afternoon when
there was the first of all in two thousand, there
was that Test in Melbourne where Jonah scored right at
the end to make at thirty nine thirty five and

(01:49:47):
we came back home with a chance to reclaim the
Bledislow which Australia had at that time. And then in
the very first Test at sky Stadium or Westpac Stadium
or even west Pac Trust Stadium as it was back then,
John Eels kicked the penalty in the last minute to
win it and Australia retained the bl Slow Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
So yeah, that wasn't a Eden Park, that was in Wellington.
Daryl good Daryl good Good, I think.

Speaker 25 (01:50:15):
The All Blanks are going to be dangerous tonight because
it's like Keith Poney, like I've got too much on whe.

Speaker 27 (01:50:23):
Got too much under the bell.

Speaker 25 (01:50:28):
Yeah like that, we're having that back last against out
there again and then lat it like cup on the line,
and yeah, they're going to be dangerous.

Speaker 11 (01:50:37):
I know when White twelve plus.

Speaker 7 (01:50:41):
Yeah, I tend to agree Daryld that that's how it
feels to me. I think some people are picking quite
a close game. I feel like there will be the
All Blacks going away.

Speaker 25 (01:50:51):
Yeah, I think the All Blanks are going to have
and I think that while of these are gonna got
to watching old tonight because your backs are just going
to be heat.

Speaker 7 (01:51:02):
Good Man, Darryl, you're cutting out just a little bit there,
But got the gist of it, mate, I'm a you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
I've got the All Blacks winning it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:09):
Comfortably if you can call it that tonight, if anything's
ever comfortable in a situation like this. But yeah, again,
I mean there's just no part of me that can
envisit the scenario under which the Wallabies win this game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
We shall see twenty two away from three.

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Zealand time. They play the host's Chili before further matches
against Egypt and Japan. Let's bring a New Zealand striker
Luke Brooks Smith out of Chili. Luke, thanks for your
time mate. How's your time in Chili Bean as you
prepare for your first game?

Speaker 10 (01:55:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
Yeah, honestly, it's been amazing.

Speaker 30 (01:55:09):
It's pretty refreshing in a way to be with a
group of boys my age and around so different difinitely
changes that dynamic for me.

Speaker 24 (01:55:17):
But yeah, I'm loving that.

Speaker 10 (01:55:18):
The team spirit super high.

Speaker 30 (01:55:19):
We're all buzzing for the first game. I mean, what
forty forty five thousand people for the opening match is
gonna be. Yeah, it's gonna be unreal.

Speaker 7 (01:55:27):
Yeah, that's a terrific start for you, isn't it will
there be a bit of extra spice, a bit of
extra excitement given the fact that you are playing the
host nation in front of such a big, no doubt,
you know, loud crowd.

Speaker 30 (01:55:40):
I think so definitely. I think definitely the thing that's
gonna really dictate it is I think being able to
almost keep our heads. I've sort of said this about
the Derby matches in New Zealand and my small football career,
that you don't want to play it up to be
such a big game and your head just got to
keep focused. I think that's what we're going to try
to do if card's going to be I think I

(01:56:02):
know no one here has been in the sort of
environment like that before.

Speaker 10 (01:56:06):
Going to be such a good experience.

Speaker 7 (01:56:07):
The vast majority of the squad played Chile twice back
in June and warm up matches a couple of narrow losses.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
You scored a brilliant goal in the first game.

Speaker 7 (01:56:15):
Do you feel like your match up fairly well against
them from that experience, Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 30 (01:56:21):
We've done a lot of analysis on them, and I
think we've improved the squad in terms of the way
we play. We're in had about a week together a
couple of days before the first match only, so it's
nice to be able to have some time and not
rushing the processes and build up and defending. So I
think it'll be a good almost a surprise to the
world is that we want to do and show what

(01:56:42):
Zealand football can do at youth levels.

Speaker 10 (01:56:44):
Love that.

Speaker 7 (01:56:44):
And how much have you worked on combinations and connection
given the fact that, look, there's a bunch of year
from the Phoenix, a few from Auckland FC, but the
others are drawn from far and wide. So how much
have you worked on connections during your time together?

Speaker 30 (01:56:57):
Yeah, a lot, a lot, definitely. I think, like I said,
there's no rush this camp in terms of getting to
know each other and every everything. We all know each
other fairly well. I think it's about getting the connection
on the field, and we've had so many trainings together
now we've been here for about a week and a bit,
so I think leading into the game we're almost like

(01:57:18):
a family, which I think is gonna help us so much.

Speaker 7 (01:57:21):
You said before a really interesting thing about you know
about big games like the Derby's that you played in
and other big matches and not playing the game, before
the game arrives, I guess, you know, not letting it
become too big a thing. How do you stay relatively
relaxed ahead of what it is really quite a big game?

Speaker 30 (01:57:40):
Yeah, I think I have an experience that where these
World Cup matches could potentially.

Speaker 27 (01:57:45):
Go down to you.

Speaker 30 (01:57:46):
When you're in the tournament, you lose your out. And
I think for me, is I like the put pressure
on myself. I think that's what I'm at my best
is when there's pressure to perform, pressureing the fans to
do well.

Speaker 10 (01:57:59):
And I think we're speaking on.

Speaker 30 (01:58:00):
The bus with a couple of boys and some of
them are saying they don't like that, But for me,
I think that's what makes me play my very best.
So I think for myself is I'm gonna I want
to put pressure on myself to go down and play
the best and do everything I can for the country.
I think you're just not often you get to play
in front of that many people, let alone for your country.
So for me, I'm not going to play it up

(01:58:21):
in my head, but I know it is a big game,
and I think that's going to help me play my
very best.

Speaker 7 (01:58:25):
It's been nearly three weeks since your full all White
stable a go media or against Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
You've had a bit of time to reflect on that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
How special a moment was that for you and for
your family?

Speaker 24 (01:58:36):
Yeah, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 30 (01:58:39):
I think what made it even better was potentially not
coming on in the first game in camera. Maybe it's
more hungry to perform in training to hopefully get me
to become an option off the bench. And you know,
it was nice to make my debut in Auckland. Definitely
with all my friends and family there. I mean, I've
got my dad coming in for this tournament and I
think having them there is just makes me play even better.

(01:59:00):
And yeah, it's just such a special experience with them.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
It's been quite the year for you.

Speaker 7 (01:59:04):
You signed pro for the Phoenix, had Nale just before Christmas,
scored your first goal in the derby in February, then
an all Whites day boo, and now a World Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
But could you have imagined all of this twelve months ago?

Speaker 8 (01:59:16):
No, no, no.

Speaker 30 (01:59:18):
I was sort of looking back to where I was
about this time of year ago, and I was about
three weeks after my under sixteen qualifiers in Tahiti and
then I was just focused on making a nunder seventeen
World Cup and hopefully signing for the Phoenix as a plan.
And I think that's given me loads of motivations because
now I think, well, of yeah, then who what's stopping

(01:59:40):
me from being where I want to be?

Speaker 10 (01:59:41):
In A yeaes sir, So good, so good.

Speaker 7 (01:59:44):
And even though you are one of the youngest in
the squad, you are one of the few who have
been in the full all white squad. Do you feel
a desire or a need to lead in this group?
Is that something that comes naturally to you or not
quite yet?

Speaker 30 (01:59:59):
Additionally, I think I haven't really I've kepted a couple
of teams when I was much younger, but I haven't
been in and amongst the leadership groups and stuff. I
think because I've been so young in the moments i've
been in recently. But I think, you know, we're all
very good players. But I think the way I play
I want I want people if we're struggling or we

(02:00:20):
need to go in the last minutes, I want people
to be able to look at me and be like,
what can you give us? Can you can you give
us something off the bench? Can you give us something starting,
We need a goal, something like that, And I think
that's the pressure I like to take on. And I
think there's loads of boys in the squad, attackers that
are all fast and creative, and I think we've all
spoken that, you know, it could be on us to
change the game whether we win or lose, and we

(02:00:42):
know that as a front force. So hopefully that opportunity does.

Speaker 7 (02:00:46):
Come and we can yeah, can't wait to see how
it goes. And as you say, it must be nice
hanging out with guys your own age. You know, you
don't have to sort of feel like you're hanging out
with your dad or your slightly older uncle anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Right understands the terminology you're using. No boomers around, Nah.

Speaker 30 (02:01:07):
I think it's definitely helped shape me being with the
older boys. But like I said, it's so refreshing being
with a group of very good players who are all
around my own age and the same ambitions and pro environments.
And I think it's something that almost makes me want
to work even harder, knowing that we have each other
and that we're all so close to get us almost

(02:01:29):
like a group of brothers from me.

Speaker 7 (02:01:32):
Another special day coming up for you all look thanks
for joining us. Made all the best against Chilean on
towards the second two games in the tournament as well,
we'll be watching with very keen interest.

Speaker 24 (02:01:40):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (02:01:40):
Planning.

Speaker 22 (02:01:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:01:42):
That is New Zealand under twenty striker Luke brook Smith
joining us from Chile. When New Zealand have their first
game at the Under twenty Men's World Cup tomorrow from midday,
New Zealand time up against the hosts the Chileans, with
further group games to follow against Egypt and Japan midday
tomorrow for the first game for the New Zealand under
twenty men's football team. Back at the Kingsland as shortly.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Play from the Kingslander in Auckland a head of the
All Blacks be Australia Weekend Sports with Jason Pinne and GJ.
Gunn the Homes New Zealand's most trusted homebuilder News talks
eNB and that is.

Speaker 7 (02:02:19):
Just about us from the Kingslander here on New North
Road this afternoon as we built towards a five past
five kickoff. But this would ordinarily be the time when
we handed over to Tim Beveridge, but with the All
Blacks test kicking off at five past five.

Speaker 3 (02:02:33):
We thought, you know what, we'll give Tim a.

Speaker 7 (02:02:35):
Bit of a break this afternoon and we'll just continue
on with our build up. We're going to relocate from
the Kingslander a few hundred meters away to the All
Blacks Fan Zone on the Eden Park Outer Oval with
his live music, food trucks, food and beverage and a
few very special guests to have a chat too. So
after the news at three we are in the All

(02:02:57):
Blacks fan Zone. Mills Mullyan are going to lead us
off after three, Dane Lisa Carrington also on the show,
and many more guests to come over the next couple
of hours as we build towards kickoff. Andy McDonald, your
job has done for the day. I don't think you're
staying on after three o'clock. So it's your duty now,
just before you do knock it on the head to

(02:03:17):
choose our exit song.

Speaker 31 (02:03:18):
What are we going when it feels bit just ingenuous
to do a one person exit song when everyone else
is staying on. But for all the Australians out there there,
it's only one song I can choose. It's of course
Daryl breathwaits the horses absolutely love it. We will see
you after three from the fan Zone.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Thank you, Thank you. For more from Weekends Sport with
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