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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Big names, the big issues, the big controversies, and the
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hi, deck you on a good afternoon, welcoming, a very
warm welcome and to the Sunday edition of Weekend Sport
on News Talks ed B. The last day of November,
last day of spring, Happy sixty firth sixty fifth birthday
to former English football star Gary Limker. Happy fifty fourth
to form a black Caps cult hero, Heath Davis. It

(00:51):
is also three years to today since we lost a
truly great New Zealander. Sir Murray Helberg passed away on
November thirty, twenty twenty two. A supreme athlete, but more
than that, a man with a vision that every young
person with a disability should have access to physical activity
and be given not only the opportunity to participate, but
to shine. His legacy lives long through the Hallberg Foundation.

(01:16):
I'm Jason Pine Show producer Andy McDonald. We're here talking
sport until three. Just a warning Annie McDonald's if it
worse for were today. He was at the News Talks
MB Sport Christmas party for most of yesterday afternoon. As
soon as the show finished at three off he went,
I don't know what time he got home. He is
here me, on the other hand, fresh as the daisy.

(01:36):
After one o'clock, A very special guest, Michael Campbell, is
in for an extended chat.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Dare to be Different. The Michael Campbell's Story is a
compelling you feature length documentary marking the twentieth anniversary of
one of New Zealand's great sporting triumphs, Michael Campbell's Unforgettable
victory at the two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
And five US Open. The documentary premieres tonight on Sky Sport.
Michael Campbell is with us on the show after one
first up today, but a cricket Black Caps.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Coach Rob Walter gonna lead us off.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
The white clothing is out for the first time this
home summer three Test matches against the West Indy's starting
on Tuesday at Hagleyoval and christ Church. Rob Walder standing
by to chat with us and then your thoughts. I
mean I might be a bit of an outlayer here.
I absolutely love my Test cricket. I can't wait for
these games.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I was a bit sore.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
About them so as they were on the horizon, but
now they're here, I'm just looking forward to watching a
bit of Test cricket.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Are you am I an outlayer?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
We'll talk about that other matters around today. Speaking of cricket,
Ish Sody is on the show. In his one hundred
and second first class game each Sody finally has his
first first class century. He's called off a cannabury against
Otaga and the Blanket Shield and Dunedin during the week past.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
I'm gonna have a chat to him about that.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
The Tall Blacks take on Australia's Boomers tomorrow night in
Wellington after a narrow loss in their first basketball clash
in Hobart on Friday night. Get you inside the New
Zealand camp this afternoon. Understand they might have had some
travel trouble getting to Wellington. They wouldn't be the only
ones over the weekend who have had issues with the
airports and flights. But hopefully we'll get the chance to
chat to the Tool Blacks this afternoon. The Phoenix back

(03:16):
in the winner's circle two to one, victors over Adelaide
United yesterday well and truly needed. Going to break that
down for you and Auckland FC in action this afternoon
as well from three against the Newcastle Jets at Go Media.
Sounds like it's a bit of a wet one in Auckland.
Football expert Jacob Spoonley on the show today. We'll take
you Stateside as well with our US sports expertly on
buzzby a lot happening over there and also sale GP

(03:40):
final in Abu Dhabi, Formula one in Kuta and James
mcconey with his usual Sunday offerings on top of that,
Live Sport this afternoon, going to keep a very close
eye on the fourth and final round of the Australian
PGA Championship in Brisbane. Kiwi golfers Kazuma Kabori, Daniel Hillier
and Nick Vogue all remain well and truly in striking

(04:02):
distance going into the fourth round. Kabori is twelve under,
just one stroke behind the leaders. Hillia is just one
stroke further back at eleven under, and Nick focus ten under,
so they're all well and truly in the mix. Nick
fok underway in about twenty minutes Daniel Hillier is off
the first tea at about twenty to one, and then

(04:22):
Kibori teas off at about ten to one New Zealand time.
We'll keep you updated on their progress and that of
the other keys across the afternoon. Josh Gary's there even
path through four holes today five under in a tie
for forty fourth and Ryan Fox one under three six
holes today four under overall, tied for fifty seventh. And
there are three more domestic women's fifty over matches underway

(04:43):
around the country as well.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
We'll keep eyes on those for you two. Please join
the show if you'd like to.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
We welcome your contributions on the phone eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, via text nine two nine two, or
on an email Jason at NEWSTALKSEB dot co dot NZ
eleven and a half past midday.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
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Speaker 3 (05:10):
The Black Caps about to swap the colored clothing and
white cricket balls for the white clothing and red cricket balls,
their first test matches coming up since convincingly beating Zimbabwe
earlier this year.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
And out this time.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
The gully fielder takes that catch and Duffy gets his
second wicket off the first bottom a new Uber one
hundred and seventeen all out Zimbabwe in their second outing
and New Zalan Windows Test match by an innings and
three hundred and fifty nine runs and sealed the series
two games to new.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
A three Test series coming up against the West Indies
before Christmas, starting on Tuesday in christ Church and then
Test matches at the Basement Reserve in Wellington and Bayoval
and Mount Montanery before Christmas. Black Caps coach Rob Walter
is with us rop Thanks for taking the time before
we look at these test matches. How do you evaluate
the science performances in your T twenty and ODI series

(06:03):
wins over the West Indies?

Speaker 7 (06:06):
Yeahs, in reflection, we'd be pretty happy given that we
took out both both series. The tea twiny end od
eyes probably never strung together, you know, sort of a
polished performance in all departments, but managed to win a
few close ones, which is always good. Managed to win

(06:27):
a few scrappy games and the scrappy wins also good,
you know, to sort of when when you're not at
your best is also good signed for the team. So
put together, you know, some good performances here and there,
individuals you know, no one in particular at it, but collectively,
you know, just standing up at different times to get
the job done. So all those I think are good
things from a team point of view.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Can you take momentum and confidence from series wins in
white ball cricket and to test matches?

Speaker 8 (06:54):
Absolutely, I think you can.

Speaker 7 (06:56):
I think it's really you know, sort of maintains a mindset,
you know, so you're building on the positivity and the
confidence from one format to the next will be it
the They are very different, but I suppose the collective
confidence sort of sits, you know, at a deeper level,
and that's that's what we'd look to carry forward.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
All right, Let's look at the squad you have named
for these test matches. A couple of guys who aren't there,
Kyle Jamison and Glenn Phillip's not considered as part of
a managed red ball return to play plan. Now, we
saw Kyle play the T twenty and fifty over games
against the Windys. Do you just feel as though he's
still short of readiness for the longer form.

Speaker 7 (07:35):
Yeah, we got to know, just be smart with regards
so how we managed Kyle. Obviously he's coming back from
a fairly long Level three injury and you know, we're
just really enjoying the fact that he was able to
put back to back games together through the tea to
any series and Ody Eyes and so now it's just
about being smart as to what the next step looks
like and we'll you know, we'll just sort of tick

(07:55):
the boxes as they come and if that leaves us,
you know, with him running onto the field for Test
matches again, then brilliant. But as I said, you know,
as far as far as far more important as obviously
taking care of him as a cricketer and also the
longer term picture. You know, he's a massive part of
our teams across all formats, so we want to make
sure we you know, we do right by that decision.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
And Glenn Phillips he played Plunket shill throw Tiger last week.
He's in the middle of a match again right now,
getting runs and wickets, which I'm sure you're happy about,
but just still a bit too soon for his return
for Test matches as well.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
Yeah, again, you know, obviously GB had a long layoff
and that injury sort.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
Of kept him out of the game for a fair
period of time.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
So you know, we've worked well, he's worked really hard
to get himself back to one hundred percent and again
just you know, his inclusion in these plunket Hill games
as part of just ticking off boxes loading and make
sure he's loading properly.

Speaker 8 (08:49):
Especially the specific injury.

Speaker 7 (08:51):
So he got through the first game and then into
the second game and done really nice, which is great
to see, but also left him two days out from
a from a test match starting, so you know, it
was difficult to make a decision for the first test
match given that we you know, we still needed to
see him get through a funk a shield game. So
you know, again just trying to do the right thing
from a management point of view, really trying to trying

(09:13):
to take care of our players and ensure their longevity
out there rather than just one game at a time.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Just before we move from those two, do you expect
them both to be in contention for international white ball
cricket after Christmas? All things going well of course, and
leading into the T twenty World Cup. Both both Jamison
and Phillips.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, we'd, we'd we'd be certainly focusing on that,
and obviously things can go wrong, but at this.

Speaker 8 (09:36):
Stage we're all looking pretty positive for that.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Good to hear.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Back to the Test squad, Tom Blundle is the only
wicket keeper you've named. Were you attempted to include a
backup in your squad?

Speaker 7 (09:47):
I suppose if something happened, you know, we did have
Devin there. You know, we do have Tommy Laith, you know,
who could take the gloves if it came to that,
and if we needed a short term replacement. But then
obviously the time between games allows us to bring someone
else in if we needed to replacefully, so to carry
one in the squad probably not necessary given that you

(10:07):
do have guys who can't take the gloves.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
This need be that or actually keepers.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
And Kane Williamson back on the side after missing the
Test series in Zimbabwe over our winter, he's recently announced
his retirement from international T twenty cricket. Do you feel
confident Robbie's got a couple more years of Test cricket
left in him.

Speaker 7 (10:27):
I mean, look at our conversations really have just been about,
you know, sort of this series that's in front of
us and taking care of that. I know he just
wants to focus on getting out there in the whites
and really delivering some good performances for the team out
of these three Test matches and then you know, the
next international cricket after that is a fair way away.

(10:47):
So we will get through these three Test matches first,
and as Kane has said himself, you know around his
t training decision is there's obviously different elements of his
life now that Estcon City is dedicated to this team
for fifteen years, and there's obviously different considerations for him now.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
So you know, for me, it's.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Really allowing him to work through that and whatever the
future looks like and then will you know, we'll sort
of respect his decisions with that. So yeah, as I said,
I mean, the next Test matches are in June in
the UK, so it's a fair chunk of time away from.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
That, it is.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
But then I don't know, I mean, I'm not sure
we can get inside his head, but there are some
exciting red ball series coming up England, as you mentioned,
India and then Australia. I don't know I'd feel tempted.
I'm not king Williamson, But I feel tempted by Test
series like that. Do you think he's got his eyes
on a pretty exciting twelve to fifteen months of red

(11:41):
ball cricketer ahead.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Yeah, I think everyone would look at the Test matches
and feel that it's a pretty exciting proposition. But again, really,
as you said, you know, I'm not in kind either.
Obviously we speak regularly about about various things. And obviously
he's been the leader of this team beard as a
captain or as just a leader, for a very long
period of time and probably has ticked off a few

(12:05):
of the Test series that a lot of the other
guys haven't, you know, so, but still it's still exciting,
you know, whichever way, like that's an exciting eighteen months
of Test Creed in particular, as you say, you know
that our sort of bucket list things for a lot
of plays.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
The wickets in New Zealand always a bit harder to
predict before Christmas. What are you expecting from the pictures
at these three Test venues against the Windys?

Speaker 7 (12:31):
I suppose you know, there's tended to be a fairly
sort of consistent personality for in particular Hagley and the
basin that means slightly changed here and there, but largely
we're just hoping for the conditions that we know and
understand of our venues.

Speaker 8 (12:50):
You know.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
That's I guess that is what home ground advantage is.
You know, it's just the knowledge of how the decks
generally play, so really hoping for the same, you know,
for them to keep their character and for us to
understand exactly what's in front of us, and having played
and been really successful at those ends as well.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Just back to the T twenty game, A lot of
discussion at the moment about the domestic competition here.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
What's your view on how well the current domestic competition
prepares players for international T twenty cricket.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Well, I think, to be honest, I think our T
twenty competition is sort of undervalued in terms of the
quality of it. I think for the most part, the
standard is very high. Probably the missing piece in the
puzzle is obviously the high quality overseas professionals, which other
T twenty leagues does have, and so you would expect

(13:46):
it that raises the quality of the competition a little.
And then also there's the experience of those players that
come into the.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
Change room and the impact that has.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
But for the most part, I think we've got a
very very strong domestic competition that obviously could be stronger.

Speaker 8 (14:01):
I mean we've benaive not to think that it could.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
So in that regard, and you talk about there's international
for that reason, do you do you like the idea
of a potential franchise model for our T twenty game here?

Speaker 7 (14:14):
I mean, to be honest, I just want what's best,
you know, if one for the players and ultimately for
the Black Apps, and there's obviously talk.

Speaker 8 (14:21):
Of different ways to do that.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
I suppose in essence that's what the deloittte sort of
into the investigation around what's the most feasible and best
for our cricket is for you know, so you could
sit and deliberate, I suppose many different options. I always
come back to just what's best for cricket and cricketers
in our country.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
And you've been in the role of head coach for
six months now, are you enjoying yourself? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Loving it?

Speaker 8 (14:46):
Eh? I mean what's not to love? Really?

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (14:48):
So yeah, I mean international cricket and coaching at this level.
But also you know, it's sort of a wonderful environment
and wonderful group.

Speaker 8 (14:55):
Of guys that get on well.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
But you know, I'm hungry to play for their country.
So it's it's really been a great six or six or.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
Seven months so far.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
For well, we saw the for just Ashes test the
other day finish inside two days.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
What did you What did you make of that?

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Well, I certainly that our's last a bit longer. But yeah, yep,
so if entertainments you're seeing, then you would have been entertained.

Speaker 8 (15:22):
There's been no doubt about that.

Speaker 7 (15:24):
So we just hopefully entertained the crafts for a little
bit longer than two days.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, let's hope.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
So all right, I look forward to to three test
matches before Christmas and christ Jitch Wellington and Mount Monging
to we Rob, thanks for joining us across New Zealand. Mate,
all the best for these for these three tests in
the next little while.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
No way is Jason's taken it.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
No you take care to Rob thinks in Dave, Rob Walter.
They're black Caps coach O eight one hundred and eighty
ten are I just want to read your pulse on
this first day of summer tomorrow, first day of the
first test on Tuesday, these test matches have been crammed
in a bit, haven't they before Christmas? And there's no
test cricket for us after Christmas. I still hope that
that isn't the norm moving forward, depending on what hows

(16:06):
worth n Z twenty. If that was to come in,
for example, and take up the January window, I still
would hope that there would be Test cricket in February
March back endo of the summer. Like there's always been
pretty much you know, yes, ye you play some, you
play some white ball, but there's always test cricket to
look forward to. It kind of book both ends of
the summer. This end of the summer and then sort
of February March as well. That isn't the case next year,

(16:31):
but I hope that there is some to enjoy in
years ahead. A big year coming up. Test matches in
England middle of next year, India come here at the
front end of next summer, then we go to Australia,
some big, big test matches coming up. I'm keen to
know how big the group is that I'm a part
of Test cricket fans, how many of us still exist?

(16:51):
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty with more and
more white ball cricket being played and new followers to
the game of cricket mainly being attracted in that fashion.
There's always ongoing discussion about the relevance of Test matches,
but a large number of players you speak to will
tell you how important Test cricket is for them. And

(17:11):
a great example of this is rich and Revender, absolute
all format player, but he always talks about how important
Test cricket is to him. And he is not in
the minority. These guys are realists, of course they are.
They know they need to be playing franchise cricket to
maximize their income, but Test cricket still has a special

(17:33):
place for them.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
So what about you.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm not saying that you should be, you know, absolutely
on the edge of your seat, hardly able to sleep
in anticipation of a three Test series against the West Indies.
But are you looking forward to it? Is it something
that's on your radar? And how big is this group
of us Test cricket fans David.

Speaker 9 (17:54):
I mate Jays yet Jason Sarah, Yes, no very much.
So you're still a Test cricket fan? How much of
an interest in the series? And I'm still working to
cursor during the day, if you get my drift. But yeah,
the West Indie is not a great call. At least
twenty twenty six is going to be better for Test

(18:15):
cricket than the Zelm's point of view, and it's good
news that Williamson's going to be available for that whole year.
So I was looking at this the other day. He's
three or four hundred runs away from ten thousand. He
probably maybe rather than to would be the only other
New Zealander it's likely to ever get that far. So
I just hope that came. Williamson can from that point

(18:38):
of view, and if he can get runs against the
Western he's a freebies almost and then you've got the
big ones next year a Test cricket. You're right it is.
And I mean you talk about the poems, Well, I'll
tell you what You'll know by Thursday night next week,
Day one of that Test matched together as the poems
have got, any hope, because I've had bail on day
one with battle Ball I finished and yeah, you can't

(19:02):
be Test cricket, you know that. I just think, Yeah,
the Western is not great. I mean, this is the
problem with this World Championship at the moment. Unfortunately, you
look at South Africa, they're only going to play in
this next two year period. I look at this the
other day on the chat, they're only going to play
fourteen Test matches and they're all two Test series and

(19:26):
so test cricket they don't play a great deal of it.
But they're going to end up in the World Championship
Final purely and simply because they've won two away series
now and so there's one thing cemented in Australia is
probably likely to be the other.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, I'm so as you say, with the Test matches, yeah,
the Western these ones here, I'm obviously interested in it.
But like you as well, I mean having a Test
match starting on a tuesdays a odd too. I know
they've got to cram them in, but you know it
mightn't even make the weekend. But yeah, that's see candacious
test pinball test as well, David, as you know, you're right.
I mean we could have another two day Test and
as Andy said yesterday, we could get through two Test

(20:02):
matches of the series and still have enough days unused
for an other Test.

Speaker 9 (20:09):
I'll tell you from the because i'd send right at
the beginning of the problems within the series well that
you just didn't expect that first Test match the way
it was. But they if they can't win in Brucebane,
it's over. And as I say, with a day night
Test match, you pretty much know straight away, how do

(20:30):
I see that'll be for them? End of the day.
One will know Thursday night at about it midnighteties an
all time.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
We will take it.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Good to jet to you mate, Let's keep in touch
over December matters this Test series rolls out.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm a bit like you.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I think the West Indies are a little bit of
an underwhelming opposition. We know what their current state of
cricket is. It's very much whitewall focused. You think about
the West Indies and again I'm getting misty eyed here,
but the West Indies teams of the eighties in particular.
I remember when the West Indies.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Came here and I think was eighty five eighty six
around that time, and they were just formidable, you know
that team Greenner, Chains, Richards, Logi, calatch Iran you know,
and these you know, and these are just douchon and
these are just the batters. And then if you got them.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Out, if you got them out, then you had to
go in and face the fearsome fast bowlers at their
disposal Marshall Garner holding Croft. I mean they were just
you know Patrick Patterson who was quicker than all of them.
And you know now you look, you look at the

(21:39):
West Indies test side now and those who were followed
test cricket for you know, the last thirty or forty years.
And remember you know the Calypso Kings of the eighties.
You know, there's absolutely no comparison to the team now,
but test matches are test matches. Grant with you in
just a sec matees spearline there if you want to

(22:00):
jump aboard. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty talking
some Test cricket twelve twenty nine on News Talk z'b.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
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Speaker 4 (22:15):
Twenty nine to one.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Test cricket fans assemble, keen to chat to you about
the Red bullstaff masters. I'm standing here holding my hand
up Piney. I just want better opposition, that's all. Let's
see how the Windys go, they might not be as
bad as we think, Luke says Piney, I'm pumped for
the white clothing. The first ashes tears probably heightened it
for me. Glad to park the rugby and settle in
for full days of cricket for the summer.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Look, unfortunately, what I'm hearing is that the forecast in
christ Church ain't great. Twenty four hours of rain in
the forecast on Wednesday, the Test starts on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Well they might not.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I mean, if history is anything to go by and
current trends are to be believed, and I think they are,
we might not need the five days. You know, we
could probably get away with a day or two missing
from rain. Grant you'd be a Test cricket fan, Yes.

Speaker 10 (23:03):
Yes, definitely, although I have to say these people that
I like all three formats, So I'm not one of
these people that when I'm watching one of the formats,
I think, oh I wish I was watching the other format.
You know, I just want to get into whatever format
is going. And okay that the West and these aren't
and like the Glory Days, so we're in the nineteen eighties,

(23:26):
but then they are better than that. A few years
ago when they were sort of struggling to get into
the top eight Test playing nations, and I thought the
demise of cricket almost a quest of the demise of
Welsh rugby.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
I don't mention Walsh rug but did you see that?
Have you seen that scoreline from this morning, Grant against
South Africa? No, No, seventy three nil they lost. Wales
have lost get Cardiff seventy three nil to South Africa
final Test of the year. Thankfully for them, i'd imagine.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
But yeah, like they put up a bit of a
fight against US last week, but seventy three nil at
home against admittedly a good side.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean South Africa, in my opinion, are the
red hot favorites to win the next World Cup. And yes,
hopefully Tony Brown, after being a possibly a World Cup
winning assistant coach in three years time, will join Jamie

(24:30):
Joseph and this of course razor winners the World Cup,
in which case maybe we'll offer him another four years.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Indeed, we won't have any need for Tony Brown or
Jamie Joseph of that at that stage.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Grant.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Anyway, we seem to have gone to a rugby conversation,
so you are looking forward to the cricket in the
in the week weeks ahead before Christmas, you'll take in
some of it.

Speaker 10 (24:52):
Oh yeah, and being three years retired now and with
the last for three years having I don't have sky,
so having you know, the Test cricket on three to
wear TV and this will be of course the last
three to wear a Test cricket that we'll see. But
so I'll enjoy it. And yeah, as you're saying about

(25:15):
the weather, but we only need a maxim the month
three days for tests these days piny day, So so
can we get a fine three days somewhere in prist.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Fish bound to bound to Grant.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
The good people of the Garden City will tell you
how nice it is usually down there in December. And look,
even if it does rain on one of the days, yeah,
we might not need all five. Thanks for your call, mate,
Steve says Jason. I'm sixty one. In my younger days,
i'd take a week's annual leave just to watch a
Test match, pretty much a week on the couch, Steve.
I love that. I love that look. I've sit off
and on the show. I could easily spend an entire

(25:47):
Test match. You're sitting on the bank. I was going
to say watching it. You know, you watch it on
and off, right, you don't have to give laser focused
attention to every delivering in a Test match. But well,
for me, I mean some of my greatest days of
my younger years were spent on the basin reserve bank.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Dobo.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Hi, mate, you're a Test cricket fan.

Speaker 11 (26:07):
Yes, even had the honor of commentating live on TV
three for a couple of them.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
So how good.

Speaker 11 (26:12):
What concerns me, Piney is last summer we had three
Tests against the Plums, and before that we had two
lots of two. So four Tests this summer we've got
three against some very weak west INNDY team who had
not been for some osimous fielding where I think was
it constantly let the ball through his legs, they would
have tied our all time low score of twenty sixteen fifties.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (26:35):
So Weastundees don't offer much. I'm expecting that, unless the
weather intervenes, will flog them. What's concerning me is that
there's no home games of any three formats in January,
no home games of any of all three formats in February.
We've got to wait till the back end of March
before we get the South Africans come here. Could you
imagine all black itinery where Oh sorry, guys, we've got

(26:58):
no tests in July, no tests in June, no tests
in August. Sorry, can't help you, because that's what New
Zealand crickets dished up summer. We had the poms on
early in the ausies on and most of them were
rain effect until we get to the odiis that the
ploms couldn't bat more than forty overs. I think New
Zealand cricket has short changed the zeal In public so

(27:18):
badly and this arguably one of the worst summers of
cricket in New Zealand. We've been fed crumbs and with
the West Indies it doesn't get any more crummy. For
these three tests we've got come out.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, got on your double. Look I agree mate, And
look we know there's a Tea twenty World Cup and
they've got to get ready for that.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
But you're right.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm just looking at the calendar that you've just absolutely
outlined for us, and yes, after after the third Test
against the West Indies which finishes just before Christmas, the
next time we get to see the black Caps on
home wickets is March the fifteenth, so we're effectively talking
the best part of three months. Yes, we have to

(27:58):
get ready for the T twenty World Cup, we know that,
but I would hope, and I honestly hope this so
much that we in the years ahead get back to
the point where we have Test matches in New Zealand
in February and March. I know n Z twenty or
whatever form our domestic T twenty competition takes will take

(28:20):
up January, and that's fine, totally cool with that. T
twenty cricket and whatever form it takes domestically can have
Boxing Day through to January thirty one, that's your window.
But we must, we must have international cricket and preferably
red balled international cricket in February and March if we
had to keep this going, Dob be good to chat to. Yep, Rich,

(28:43):
I knew you'd call mate. How I know you and
I have talked cricket a lot. What are your levels
of what are your levels of excitement if that's the
right word for this West in these Test series.

Speaker 12 (28:56):
I'm still excited. I mean, it's still test cricket. I mean,
I know people say as the West Indies, what about
another opposition. I mean the big teams still come out
here finely. I mean Bet England here last year and
you know you've we.

Speaker 13 (29:08):
Had Australia or you all that.

Speaker 12 (29:10):
But you know we're just going through that that cycle.
I mean when you go look at when the ASHES starts,
it's basically eleven hours of test cricket because you've got
our test in the day and then you got the
pickball tests, so there'll be a lot of tight eyes
as you know, going through work later in the week.
So yeah, I think I think for me pointing is

(29:31):
you know this this deal with TV ANDZ, it's been
great to have test cricket, you know, eyeballs for everyone.
And I hope that when Sky look at their arrangements
of TV and said that it's not just the T
twenty stuff, but you know we're getting something like I
don't know whether it's a day five, an exciting Day

(29:51):
five or something like that, but you just think that,
you know, when we look at how crickets evolved and
how T twenty is that it's the test cricket that
needs to be looked after because T twenty looks after itself.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
You know, Yeah, that is a great point, right, it will.
It is now at the point T twenty. I'm not
telling you or anybody something that you don't already know.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
T twenty.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
You're right, it's now self sustaining. It's so big and
continuing to get bigger.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
But you're right.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
The preservation of the oldest form of the game has
to be at the front of mind. And the free
towaar points are really interesting one. I think all you
know sports organizations now understand the need for free to
wear because you know, the exposure of their sport is
as important as the broadcast dollars they have coming in.

(30:37):
So that there has to be a split of some
sort and there has to be free to wear access
of And I agree with you, not just the odd
T twenty here and there, but what about I don't know,
what about the last session of Everyday's test cricket or
something like that, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (30:50):
Yeah, And when you look at the schedule coming up
on it, I think the way I see it is
that October November have tests and it can lead into
December and you leave January and you know, or the
end of December for T twenty and then you have
February March, like you have a tour and that November
and then you have another tour in that fabra. I
think that's where we need to be looking about having

(31:12):
some test matches, So you know, I mean when you
look at this summer, it is a bit disappointing that
after this test series for away and then we go
to Indi year in January and I kind of like,
why why are we doing that? But T twenty is
a fickle game. But I think when you look at
next summer, I think we're going to be a lot
more happy when we've got India before Christmas, then we're
in Australian Christmas and then we've got shrill Anka it's

(31:34):
again for test too, so you know, it's just it
is what it is. But you know, there's a bit
frustrating when you get into that Christmas time and everyone's
on holiday and there's no test cricket.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, Thoughts and prayers with your family and mine as
they as they prepare for these days.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Made always good to jack cricket with you. We'll do
it again soon, Dallas high mate.

Speaker 13 (32:02):
By the yeah, I just thought some prayers with Andy
to happy he's going to get more than two days
in Adelais.

Speaker 14 (32:10):
Yes, so he reckons that you get a refund. That's
the games shortening, but not for rain.

Speaker 15 (32:19):
Just the game.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, that's the game ends.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, I think that's what That's what really cost Cricket Australia.
In Perth Dallas they had to give back millions to
people who had bought tickets for the Sunday and Sunday
arrived and the game's done.

Speaker 13 (32:32):
I bet they're not. I bet there's not many people
pre order for this for this week.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
No, you do it day by day, wouldn't You'd say, okay,
well I'll buy it for day one, maybe day two,
and then I'll keep my keep my money and my
wallet and see what plays out.

Speaker 13 (32:49):
Yeah, because not just it's the hotels, it's the cater
and it's everything you know to do with that as well.
So yeah, day neither too. They tend to be cricket,
an't they? And well, oh but my introduction to cricket
was sitting in the base three serve as a schoolboy
watching the West Indies and versus New Zealand, and I

(33:12):
remember went down and sixteen wickets fell on the day
and I saw the great Sobers scored thirty nine before lunch,
and five Lloyd. And when Sobers got out just before lunch,
five Lloyds swore it. I was just sitting near the
dressing he saw as he came in. You know, why'd

(33:35):
you get out before lunch? You know, I was ready
shocked to hear this language.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I'm shot.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
I'm shocked anybody took issue with Gary Sobers any kind
of He's kind of untouchable, isn't he.

Speaker 13 (33:48):
I thought he was, you know, he was like a hero.
And then five lloydreen dropping.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
What year was? What year was there? Dalla's what around about?

Speaker 13 (33:57):
What year between sixty eight sixty nine around there? I've
sort of looked.

Speaker 14 (34:03):
It up sort of there on the records and Google,
you can google it up.

Speaker 13 (34:08):
Yeah. But the other test was later on. I don't
know who's playing.

Speaker 14 (34:15):
But we went down for the day to wearrington and
we wore white coats, and if you wear a white coat,
if you get into anything.

Speaker 13 (34:23):
So we strolled out onto them. We strolled out onto
the middle before the tests and pretnny we were umpires
or something. Just have a look at the worker. And
then then we strolled into the New Zealand dressing changing test.
I'm serious that we could over here. Jeff Hower is
giving him a pet talk before the test. So there

(34:43):
you go. If you wear a white coat, you can
go anywhere and cricket.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
I love that, Dallas, I absolutely love that, mate. I
love the just the pure cheek of it. A white
coat gets you anywhere. I think the high visa is
a similar thing today. Go on, you mate, great to chat.
I hope you enjoy the test. Cricket coming up as
much as you enjoyed it during the sixties and seventies.
Sixteen to one, we'll take your might.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Come back and catch up with each Sody who has
been around a long time but until this week had
never scored a first class century. Now he has, He's
a century maker. Each Sody coming up before one.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Would you be the TMO have your say on eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty weekends for it with Jason
Hym and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder
News Talk.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
They'd be twelve to one pointy. Why are they starting
test cricket on a Tuesday? Don't they realize we have
to work I think it's to get the games in.
I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Leon says, I
can't wait for this test cricket. Good on you, Leon,
I'm the same Tony. You've been watching cricket for a while,
by the sounds of things.

Speaker 16 (35:44):
I remember.

Speaker 17 (35:45):
I started watching cricket when Clive Lloyd was playing in
the Lancashire League. And I can't remember which town he
played for, but I came from liukletown called Clithero. Now
I think the thing that's ruined cricket is money in
knowsdes Clive Lloyd got some sort of returner as professional
for his town team and when if he scored fifty

(36:07):
I think it was or a baller got a hat trick,
maybe five wickets as well. The hat went around the
collection that went to the professional. That was That was
the level of cricket. But you know, and then I
follow him through. He ended up playing for Lancashire, of course,
and and then the West Indies.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
He had terrible eyesight. He had terrible eyesight.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Didn't he wore those glasses and I guess they could
have he could have been affected by it. But he
was a magnificent hitter. Of a cricket ball, but also
a superb cover fieldsman. From memory, Clive Lloyd.

Speaker 17 (36:44):
He could run a fair bit because he was a
tall bugg a very tall bugger. But the funniest thing
was watching when watching lankishere a guy called Pilling opened
with it. Pilling was a captain of Lankish and Pillings
stood at about five foot three and you could see
Pilling's little lais going hell for leather while Lloyd was
loping down the wicket about six strides one end to

(37:05):
the other, and then these little legs were going from
the other end. It was really quite amusing.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Love it, Love it, Tony, Yeah, I mean sorry, I've
got to move to one more caller before.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
We get to the news mape.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
But yeah, look I those days of that West Indies
team that Clive Lloyd led. He was the captain, wasn't
he sort of in the mid seventies into the eighties.
I should have included the seventies. Of course, it wasn't
just the eighties. They were sweeping all before them in
the seventies as well, including the first two Cricket World
Cups nineteen seventy five and nineteen seventy nine. Both won

(37:37):
by the West Indies very early days of one day
international cricket of vat one or even both of those
World Cups might have been sixty over matches from memory,
But Clive Lloyd Man, what a leader of men and
what a player?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Andrew, Hi, mate, yeah, gooday?

Speaker 18 (37:52):
How are you today?

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Very good?

Speaker 12 (37:54):
Andrew?

Speaker 18 (37:55):
Just do I know? It's just down at Pegas's and
bumped into a good legend of the game of cricket.
Sir Richard Hadley, How is the great man?

Speaker 5 (38:04):
How?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
How was the great Sir Richard?

Speaker 18 (38:07):
I think he's rushing home to his wife to make
a cup of coffee. He had a bottle of milk
in his hand, so it was short and sweet. But
I took a quick selfie and I just tart from
promoting toilet paper at the present time. Does any of
your listeners or yourself know how else he feels in
his day?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Well, I know I would imagine that he is still
very invested in the game.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yeah he he. I mean again, you know, you can
get a bit misty eyed on these things. But Richard,
as he was then, Sir Richard, now of some of
his performances in the eighties, you think to that fifteen wickets,
he got the Gabba and even in the earlier part
of his career when he came storming, he had a
little little shuffle at the top of his run and

(38:54):
came flying in. His shirt was hanging out the back
of his pants and away you went and Hadlee Hadlee
on the bank. I mean, what are memories.

Speaker 18 (39:02):
I know, I told him I bold like him in
the backyard withther we shuffled, But yes, I wouldn't now
I'd end up on his face.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 18 (39:13):
My best memories of cricket as you know, of his era,
and then you know the crows and the likes. But yeah,
I don't rush home to watch it now.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Well, look I Andrew, I'm the same as you. My
most vivid memories of the game growing up, my introduction
to the game, and it's very much generational of course
because of the age that I am. But my introduction
to cricket was red ball cricket because that's what it
was back then, Test matches, first class games at the basin.
You know, I thought nothing of going along to watch

(39:45):
Wellington play against Northern Districts or Otago whoever it was.
And the Shell Trophy as it was back then, early eighties.
Take the radio along, listen to Sports Roundup. You know,
you can listen to the commentary on the band because
you're watching the game.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Again.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
This is all very nostalgic, misty eyed stuff, and you know,
I know we have to move on, but I don't know.
There's a generation of youngsters now whose exposure to cricket
is the white ball game, and that's just the nature
of it. But for young boys and girls growing up
in the seventies, eighties and even before that, going way back,

(40:21):
their attraction to cricket, their love of the game was
fostered by test matches, by red ball stuff, and by
the heroes of those games. Good to know Sir Richard
is still kicking around.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
He wasn't well there for a while, I think, but
I think he's come out the other end of that now.
A trust the jetter Sir Richard last year actually when
he was inducted into the Usion Cricket Hall of Fame
at the Basement Reserve. And he is still sharp ass.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
He hasn't had any of the games he played, he'd
know the stats, so he got out what New Zealand
won by all of that stuff. Good to chat andrewck
and good to know that you caught up with a
great man himself. Seven to one News Talks.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Be sup from the trag fields and had the court
on your Home of Lords the weekends for it with
Jason Vine and.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Used TALKSB text and here. I did some work at
Sir Richard had Lee's house. All I want to do
was talk a zero off about cricket, but I kept
it professional. I didn't want to disturb the great man
at his home. I do see him most games at
the Hadley Pavilion. Thanks and get up here. Someone fossil
says Kevin. I care not for white ball cricket, but
I'm totally dedicated to test cricket.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
I love it. Thanks keV.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Test cricket all the ways. Is this one T twenty
can give? I can give or take. I still enjoy
the fifty over stuff, but also the test matches. Thanks
for all your calls and correspondence. News next to one
and then Michael Campbell.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and afterfields.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vaine on your
Home of Sport.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
US Talks one O seven Welcome in to Weekend Sport.
Welcome back to Weekend Sport. I'm Jason Pine and McDonald
running the cutup. We're here till three, going to talk
some football, a bit of sailing, some basketball and American sport.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Utter two.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
We'll keep eyes very closely on the BMW Australian PGA
Championship in Royal Queensland. As you heard from Elijah in
our sports news, the Kiwi's near the top of the
lead aboard.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Fall underwey in the next hour or so.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Kazumikabori just one shot off the lead, Daniel hilly A
one shot further back, Nick Voke one shot further back,
So the three of them well and truly in striking distance,
even Nick Vot's only three strokes off the lead. So
we will keep very very close eyes.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
On the Australian PGA Championship for you. Speaking of golf,
Dare to be Different.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
The Michael Campbell's Story, a compelling new feature length documentary
marking the twentieth anniversary of one of New Zealand's greatest
sporting triumphs, Michael Campbell's unforgettable win at the two thousand
and five US Open.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
There's the difference three with Tiger. So he's got some cushions.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Well he's earned that cushion, especially with that funny man
in the last All straight up from.

Speaker 19 (43:06):
Here, some two putts from there to put this away.
So ten years from laying one open slip away with
Michael Campbell, it's going to win the US Open.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
And when you've had the up and down career that
he has.

Speaker 20 (43:27):
At one point after that risk injury which we mentioned earlier.

Speaker 21 (43:30):
We thought about bidding professional black.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
While sitting in a French hotel room.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Back in ninety eighty, et.

Speaker 19 (43:35):
Sept to three hundred and sixty in the world rankings
and it has.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Come back all the way to the top.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
I mean a US Open.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You bet they've got some pride dial in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
From Titahie Bay to the world stage, Michael Campbell's journey
is one of great belief and brilliance. Presented by Sky Sport,
this documentary traces his rise from humble beginnings to beating
golf's biggest names, including Tiger Woods, and becoming a major
winner and a nation No hero dare to be different.
Premiers tonight from seven o'clock on Sky Sport three Michael

(44:12):
Campbell is with us on Weekend Sport. First of all,
can you believe it's been twenty years since that audio
we just heard You'll win at the US Open.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
No time has flown past, you know, over the last
many years, and when I look back and reminisce about
those times, it's always obviously wonderful memories of mine and
something I'll never forgets. It was an incredible ride. But
this documentary will explain to people the pathway to my success.

(44:44):
It wasn't about that particular day that's end result, but
that's the path and the journey I took to get there,
a lot of struggles and a lot of you know,
setbacks in my time and to the victories victories I've
had as a professional golfer, and it's I mean, I

(45:05):
really enjoy making it. It made me kind of really
think about how I got there in a very detailed way,
you know, going from my first coach, my dad when
I was six years old, to Dennis Sutherlan, who unfortunately
passed away this recently. My first coach, really real coach,

(45:26):
then Mel Toungue. He took me under his wing. He
looked after me from the age of sixteen onwards about
twenty three, twenty four, Jonathan Yalwood. You know, all these
people made it possible victory. He Newgillan Golf, so it
wasn't just you know, as a group of a lot
of people over time, and you know, it's been fun.

(45:48):
I mean I went back to Pinehurst for the very
first time since I won. I went Bryson won Bucking
last year and with Sports Sports Inc. And Calson and
Randall were there and we really went through the hole
in the last eighteen holes of my round and I
said to myself, Matt, damn, this golf courses hard because
they had a camera crew follow me around a golf

(46:10):
course and I explained I knew every single shot. It's
incredible and it was so nice to go back there
and really just you know, go through all those wonderful memories.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Yeah, I want to get to those in a moment.
But can we take it back, Michael, Like many keep
with kids growing up, you wanted to be an all Black,
didn't you. You know when and how did golf take
hold of you?

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Was it mainly through your dad?

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Yeah? Dad, it didn't really push me, but my mum
didn't like me playing rugby, and I knew it wasn't
good enough. You kind of know as a kid when
you go through those phases. So I started playing rugby
at five years old. At about probably ten eleven, you
just know you're not good enough. And so I thought, okay,

(46:57):
I'll drop that rugby dream. And then all of a sudden,
I focused on golf, and I don't know, golf seemed
easy for me at that stage, and that's when I
took up golf service around thirteen. You know, imagine, I
think it's a great story. You know, it had grown
up in Titahi Bay, playing on the golf course that's

(47:20):
got sheep everywhere, fences around the greens, one club, one board,
maybe two balls, had a sex time. Went from that
to winning the US Open, one of the biggest tournaments
in the world. So it's a great story and it's
why I wanted to share this with everyone out there.
How you know, sometimes dreams maybe impossible, but but I

(47:40):
made it possible by believing in my dreams. And that's
one thing I want to send a message to everyone
and through this documentary back home, is that you know,
anything is possible, Anything is possible, and you know, for me,
golf was more than just a game. It's about creating
moments and time and memories, and winning the US Open

(48:01):
was mine. So yeah, it just goes to show that
you know anything is possible for or you know their
futurem Big Well.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
In the DOCCO you tell the story of standing up
on your first day at Manna College, which is your
secondary school, and announcing you wanted to be a pro golfer,
and everybody laughing, presumably, I guess, because there weren't too
many Maldi golfers around at that time.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Were you driven by wanting to break that mold or
did you just want to be a golfer?

Speaker 5 (48:31):
No, I was driven by that. Actually, yes, I remember
that day. It was. It was at Mount College, first
at school when I was thirteen years old, and we
had to introduce ourselves, our names and parents and where
we came from, what they did, and what's your future,
what's your future goals? And almost classmates were saying the
usual kind of theme policemen, fireman, doctor, nurse, whatever. And

(48:57):
it was my time to come, I said, golf professional,
and I remember every single person in their classroom laughed
at me. I'm still there, standing standing tall, and I
thought tell you what, one day, I'll definitely have the
last laugh. And all my mates from school now play golf.
So it was, it was, it was, you know, I

(49:17):
just wanted you're right. I mean, not many Maori play
golf back in the seventies and eighties and there was
no professional golfers on tour. I'll never forget in the
moment when I thought, okay, this is my my pathway
was when I was watching Golf Life Golf with Dad
earlier hours in the morning, the US Masters back in

(49:40):
eighties or something like that, eighty two to eighty three,
and it's early in the morning because the time difference,
and I remember watching watching Jack Nicholas playing Augusta US
Masters and I said to Dad, there's no no New
Zealanders in the field. Well, no no Malby in the
field because they're not good enough Michael. And I thought,

(50:01):
well maybe I can change that. So that really changed
my whole That's that's part of the reason was proof
of the world that that Moldy can play golf. So
I think I succeeded there.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
You certainly did.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
You had a high degree of amateur success, including the
Eisenhower of course, and turn professional in nineteen ninety three.
How long did it take you to feel at home
comfortable on the pro circuit?

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Very quickly, I won very quickly, about five weeks after
I turned pro. I was lucky, well lucky, a bit
of hard work, but one very quickly. So I felt
very very comfortable on tour and then let's whend things
forgot for me and then I finished. Then he won
the Open ninety five, so it kind of like just

(50:48):
compounded from there. So I went from, you know, being
one of the best Australasian players back in the early
nineties to it of a sudden in one of the
best European tour players. So I took the elavator to
the top very quickly. Some people and take the stairs.
I took the elevator, went to the open. Where that

(51:10):
comes from, I don't know, but yeah, and I had
success very quickly, and it was it was so I
felt very comfortable very quickly. So that's why I think
I kind of hung around for a very long time
on tour for twenty years or so before I retired
about what ten years ago now ship twelve years ago.

(51:31):
So yeah, look, you know, I'm very appreciative of my career,
what I've done, and hopefully in this documentary you will
explain how it kind of unfolded.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
All right, let's get to the two thousand and five
US Open. You were ranked eightieth in the world at
that time, so you had to go through qualifying to
even make it into the field for the US Open
at Pinehurst number two. Once you had done that, what
were your ambitions going into the tournament.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
That particular moment or two or three months, I was
playing well, you know, going into the US Open, and
so I set a goal and you're seeing the documentary
of my goal setting. Since I was twelve thirteen years old,
I had a little black book that I kept for

(52:22):
myself and my mom started that for me many many
years ago when I was thirteen, and things like if
I break one hundred, you know, I'll buy a new driver.
For breaking ninety, I've got a new pudder. So I've
always been a goal setter ever since then. My mum
taught me that a very young age. Unfortunately she passed

(52:45):
away a couple of years ago, but yeah, so she
planted a seed in my mind about goal sitting. And
so what I'm going to now is that week of
the US Open. Every week I had a goal, you know,
when I was out there playing break thirty parts or
hit at twelve out of fourteen fairways. You know, I
think an extra five minutes on the tree mill in,

(53:07):
an extra five sit ups, or whatever it's going to be.
There's always something I always had in my mind that
week to achieve, and playing golf was one was the
the reason why I did it, but also the I
was focusing on the on the small things that make

(53:27):
it make a difference, and that was one big thing
for me with a goal setting side. That week of
the US Open, I see myself top ten. I'm going
to buy myself a second hand Porsche because I love
my Porsches. You know, twenty thousand miles on the clock,
three or four years old, spend twenty five pounds. Because
I was living in London at the time, and so

(53:49):
I wrote nine ninety seven, which is the model of
the year in two thousand and five, and nine nine
seven was my markings on my ball. Normally do do
like a cross or a line or darts whatever, but
I put nine ninety seven. That was one of the
was my goal. And after three rounds also I noticed

(54:10):
I was leading well clost to the lease. I said
to myself, Okay, so I crossed that out and then
put down a brand new Porsche. And then in the
final round, this is absolute truth. All I was thinking
about was my Porsche. The color of the of the car,

(54:32):
side of the wheels, the shape of the exhaust pipes,
the great breaker pillars, the interior. I'm not kidding, you know.
That's what I thought about. The whole eighteen holes in
the last round. Was that. And then obviously I was
the bigger picture of the US Open. But I played
a game within the game, you know. I decided to
keep it trying to keep it small within something that

(54:53):
I can control, because you can't control the other players.
You can't control the crowds, the weather. But I can
control what I think I can achieve. And it was
that Porsche. So and then the final final part, and
the first thing I thought about was my to before
I'll hang on here. I've actually won the USA went

(55:14):
as well, so that's a bonus. Yeah, so that's a
true story.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
I love that story. That is so brilliant.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
So on the final afternoon, you held your nerve as
others drop shots and coming down the streets. You basically
found yourself in a straight shootout with none other than
the world number one Tiger Woods. He's hunting a tenth major.
It's the US Open, so pretty much the entire fifty
thousand strong gallerries cheering him on.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
What was that like, Michael?

Speaker 5 (55:45):
How much in controller was of my mind? How karma
was surprisingly how much of words I thought I was
going to win this? And know I can say it now,
but I think it comes down to a mental resilience,

(56:10):
mental fortitude.

Speaker 11 (56:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Yes, you've got the physical demands. I've gone out there
and playing different shots and your swing and you're putting
your chipping, your bunker, playing a sort of different aspects.
But it comes down what's you know between these between
your ears? And I was very very determined, and I
knew that the goal was very very close, and and

(56:33):
it took, you know, twenty years to get there, you know,
you know, as I said before earlier in the interview,
and it's not about that particular day. It's it's how
it all unfolded, you know, with my team behind me,
within the people who were involved, for example, all the
I was thinking about a lot of people after the round,

(56:56):
after after one. People helped me as a kid growing
up at Titahi Golf Club, I had a lot of mentors.
People used to pick me up from early mornings to
take me to tow club when I was a kid.
You know, things like that. You know, I try to
thank them, and this is my way of thinking them
was to win the biggest, biggest talment in the world.

(57:17):
And there's a lot of these thousands of hundreds of
people who helped me out, So you know, it's hard,
hard to kind of like pin point just a few.
There's more than just a few. And I was thinking
about them really and without them, without their help and
their guidance then mentoring, this wouldn't happen. So you know,

(57:39):
the final result was winning the US Open, But how
I got there was a great journey. I think, amazing.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Amazing. So you're a major winner, You've won the US Open.
How much did that win change your life?

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Uh, it's I wasn't prepared for it, to be honest.
I remember their I remember the first time I had
a meeting with my team, a management group at the time,
and I said, I want to go home. This is
literally a week after I won, And they said, are

(58:21):
you fidding me. There is no time, Michael, I said,
you're going to make time. You're going to make time
to go home and share my success with my people,
and they go best than possible. I said, well, no,
I want ten days. So Emirates flew me over with
my family and we had a crazy ten days and

(58:43):
a ticket tape arraide homecoming tour, went to all these
schools around New Zealand to inspire young kids. I did
it for New Zealand, not for me, didn't. I don't
need the publicity. That's the last thing I wanted. And
it was important for me because you know, my grandmother
and I were very, very close. She passed away many

(59:03):
many years ago when I was sixteen, but she always
told me that I would do something special. You know,
I was ten years old when we're having these conversations.
I didn't start playing golf then, but she knew something
was you know, I was. I was fashal in some
sort of way, and I thought she was a little

(59:24):
bit you know, okay, grand made a little bit nutty,
but okay, I'll believe you. And she still there's the
confidence in me a lot so and then when this happened,
I kind of understood what she was talking about, and
she always told me that one of her philosophy philosophies
is that you know, you were born with two hands,

(59:45):
one to give, one to give, one to take, one
to receive. Sorry, I want to give back, and so
when I received the Serious Open victory, I wanted to
get back to my people back home and inspire people
back home with these young kids that you know, any
dreams possible.

Speaker 22 (01:00:02):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
You imagine I was sitting down watching the best player
in the world of my father at thirteen years old, Barllion,
hours in the morning, watching these guys play these amazing
golf courses, and I'm thinking, I want to be there
one day happen, you know. So that's goes to show
that you know, anything's possible. I know that I've said

(01:00:23):
that word I like, but that's one where the sentence
that comes strings to my mind every single time I
talk about this is that, you know, I went from
golf club to winning and major championships and bidding target
at the same time. So you can't get better than that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
No, you cannot. What a journey, What a journey it's been.
And the journey, of course has continued over the past
twenty years, it's been a roller ghost. And in fact,
you have had some challenges, haven't you, Michael, particularly in
the last year or so.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Yes, I have. The last three years or so, I've
going to be going through bit of heart problems. That's
got actual fibrillation that's quite common back in the day,
especially now. And yeah, I had had heart surge tree
about two months ago, and I'm feeling so much better now.

(01:01:16):
Actual fibrillations basically racing too fast, your heart's racing too
fast and algorithm and I fixed that. Now I feel
like a like a third year old now, all around
fifty six. I feel much younger and playing better now
because I was on the golf course and I was
getting fatigue and tired and couldn't focus and it's getting

(01:01:37):
pretty frustrating. And IPLE was just aging, you know, getting old,
until I add a health check and I thought, okay,
cheap because the needs to need to fix this. So yeah,
it's been challenging the last two or three years. And
I put the surgery off for two years and I thought, no,
I have to do it because the quality of life

(01:01:58):
was wasn't good. And now I feel great. I mean,
I feel normal. I feel like I'm waking up in
the morning now slept, you know, because I remember sleeping
before the surgery for eight hours, nine hours a day
and waking up in the morning if feeling tired. So
I thought something's wrong here. So yeah, it's been charging

(01:02:18):
in they and and I feel like I'll go a
second chapter going in my my boocket right now. So
I'm looking forward to playing. I still playing on the
Legends Tour over fifteen now. You know, I came close
to winning last week, so you know, I was back
to normal, you could say. So I'm pretty excited for
the next you know, five or six.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Years No Sarway, Michael Salwall. Look, I can't wait to
see this doco premiering tonight on sky deare to be
different than Michael Campbell's story mate. Thank you so much
for your time this afternoon, and all the best for
many many more chapters in your life to come.

Speaker 9 (01:02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Thanks, thanks, Jason. I want to say that, you know,
thanks to Golf Warehouse and Calway Golf for sponsoring documentary.
I'm coming back actually to New Zealand, so I'm very
excited about I'm playing Foxy's tournament Chasing the Fox and
Auckland on the twelfth of twelfth of December. So I'm
looking forward to seeing all Foxy because I haven't seen

(01:03:17):
Foxy since he won a couple of times now on
the PGA Tour, catching up with my old sponsors Mnuka Honey,
you know, and playing with Joe Parker I believe as
one of the one of my partners of the Minka
Honey Manuka Honey team. Looking forward to catching up for
all the other celebrities I haven't seen for a long time.

(01:03:38):
So I'm really excited to come back to New Zealand
seen Christmas with my family. So yeah, let's do it. Yeah,
I mean just hopefully you're I know you will enjoy that.
The documentary, it's going to be a little bit different.
It's going to pour a few half strings, but also
it's gonna come across a little bit different than the

(01:03:58):
most because it's pretty It gets down to the nitty
gritty of how I became I hope, who I am
as a golfer and as a person. So everyone enjoys it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
I know we will. Great stuff. Michael, thanks again, mate,
Yes mate, thank you, No, thank you, Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Michael Campbell there dare to be different. The Michael Campbell
Story premieres tonight on sky Sport three at seven o'clock.
It is a cracker. I have been very lucky to
have been sent a bit of an advanced copy to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Have a look at. It is terrific.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
It is so good, and not just the footage of
Michael Campbell winning the US Open in two thousand and
five and then going back to relive it, but the
stuff from his hometown Titahie Bay, just out of Pottydoer
in Wellington's northern suburbs. It's just so good. Huge congrats
to the team at Sports Inc. Led by Kelson Butler,

(01:04:58):
Randall Monroe a big part of it as well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
I cannot say enough about it and how much you
will enjoy it. It's also going to be on Guy
Open later in the year, so those without access to
skysport will have the chance to watch it on Frederwear
as well. But yeah, tonight at seven o'clock Skysport three
is when at premiers. It's got obviously a lot of
Michael Campbell in it, but interviews with the likes of
Ernie Els for Steve Hurson, Colin Montgomery, Keebi Icon SA

(01:05:24):
Bob Charles, Ryan Foxes and at Steve Williams. Steve Williams,
of course, was on Tiger Woods Bag the day that
Michael Campbell won the US Open, when the two of
them were going head to head down the final stretch
of six or seven holes, and there's some awesome footage
of Steve Williams congratulating Michael Campbell afterwards. It's just yes

(01:05:45):
to say it's awesome. It's really really good. So again,
congratulations to the team at Sports Inc. For producing it
in a massive thanks to Michael Campbell for making himself
available for such an extended period of time. Twenty nine
away from two News Talks, He'd be back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
It's more than just a game. Weekend sport with Jason
Pine and GJ. Gunner, New Zealand's most trusted home builder
News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
News Talks B one thirty four. Johnny on text Pinty,
amazing what you hear in interviews. I've been diagnosed with
atrial fibrillation as well. Great to hear there's a way
through a Props to Michael Campbell, Thanks Johnny and Dallas,
says Michael Nearly gave me a heart attack that day
that he won the stress of it all I can
still remember. Yeah, it was it was quite something, quite something, indeed,

(01:06:32):
James mccony before two but a milestone one hundred and
seventy three.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Innings in the making.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Black Caps leg spinner Ischh Sodi has hit his maiden
first class century, reaching three figures for Canterbury on day
two of their plunket shield clash with Otago in Dunedin
in the week past. Sody finished one hundred and eight
not out in Canterbury's five hundred and one for seven declared,
he joins us now from I think duneied nepport about

(01:07:00):
to fly back to christ churchesch I thought you already
had a first class century? How did this escape my attention?

Speaker 19 (01:07:09):
Yeah, I know that opinion has been shared by a
lot of my peers. I think over the years, you know,
it's been something that you know, I've been really searching
for for a really long period of time. And that's
why I suppose you've obviously seen the celebration. I suppose
it was just a lot of you know, pinned up
frustration over years and years of not getting there. So
it's nice to be able to be able to have
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Now, I absolutely loved the celebration. What was your highest
score before this?

Speaker 19 (01:07:32):
I had like an eighty two or something, and yeah,
it was you know, like I said, I've got to
fifty quite a lot of times over the last well,
you know, decade or so, and you know, there are
a few opportunities that I lost. So it's nice to
get over the line. And you know, it's so many
that you can't sort of you can't take away from me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
And it's there forever I've looked at crack infoation, it's there.
They will never take it away. What was it like then,
getting into the eighties, getting into the nineties, they talk
about the nervous nineties.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
You've you would never have been there in first class cricket?
What was that like?

Speaker 22 (01:08:03):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
It was pretty good.

Speaker 19 (01:08:03):
I Like I was betting with Sean Davy at the time,
and he's a really nice batsman and he's you know,
not played a heap of first class career, but always
had a lot of potential and he came out and
absolutely started whacking it. So it was real nice to
sort of have some pressure.

Speaker 13 (01:08:15):
Taken off at the other end, and you know.

Speaker 19 (01:08:16):
We had to put on a good score on the
first innings to try to set up the game really nicely,
and so yeah, because he was betting so nicely and
smoking it, they sort of had the field spread, which
made it a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Easier in the eighties and nineties, So it.

Speaker 19 (01:08:28):
Was really down to Sean the way he played, and
he ended up getting his made in first class hundred two.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Yeah, that was cooled. It must have been a nice moment
to share it together so that you get the one hundred.
You're off. Your phone must have blown up, did it?

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
Yeah? I was.

Speaker 19 (01:08:42):
I think the real cool thing about it was, you know,
like there were so many people that there's a lot
of interest in you know, more people sort of watching
the planket chield and perhaps we thought, you know, when
you sort of come off and get all those messages,
really nice to receive them all. But it's all the
sort of close mates of mine and Cricket always knew
that it was a big goal of mine to get
that a hundred, so it was really nice to be
able to share that with him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
Absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
So heading back now, I know that you're focusing on
Plunket child with cannibury at the moment. But if you've
got a half a nine white ball stuff after Christmas
and into the new year, you must be starting to
think pretty heavily about that, are you with the black Caps?

Speaker 19 (01:09:17):
Yeah, definitely, I think, you know, with the T twenty
campaign starting, you know, the supers mess, I think it's
just after Christmas and stuff. So yeah, we got two
more plunking chill games in the meantime, and while we're
staying really nicely focused on that, it's important, I think,
to just keep those white ball skills shaped up because
these days I just feel like red ball cricket and
T twenty cricket they're just two completely different sports being

(01:09:38):
a spin ballers. So yeah, me and Cole McConkie actually
every now and then we'll go and have a white
ball net just to remind ourselves of our white ball skills.
And so that's I mean, it's really important to keep
on top of when you're playing rebul cricket.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
I love it, mate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Well I'm going to change if it didn't have all
Rounder alongside you in my contacts, if it just had
each Sody legspin, I'm going to change it to each
Sody all round in now first class entry. Mate, no
one can ever take it away from you. Congratulations and
thanks for the chat.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Thank you brother.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Acuse me, mate, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Eas Sody about to hop on a plane back to
christ Church and finally the first class century achieved. If
you get the chance to watch us, I'm sure if
you just google each Sody century, his celebration is so good.
You know, it just takes many forms and clear elation obviously,

(01:10:27):
but it's a cool celebration and for one of the
top men of first class cricket, elite cricket in our country.
Just awesome to see each Sody do that and finally
chalk up the three figures.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
He'll clearly bear a boo part of our white bull
sides in the new year as well, so looking forward
to seeing him back in the black cap as well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Twenty one away from two James mcconey in studio, shortly
just updating you from the Australian PGA Championship. This is
a Royal Queensland in Brisbane. Now, I of course did
my son's wrong and forgot that Brisbane are three hours behind,
not two hours behind. So Kazuma Kabori, Daniel Hilly and
Nick Voke not yet underweight, although I think Nick Vote

(01:11:09):
might just about have just teed off in his fourth round.
He's ten under the card. Daniel Hillier is eleven under.
Kazuma Kabori is twelve under. The leaders are at thirteen under.
So those three Kiwis are within striking distance. So they'll
all be underway if I have done my sums correctly,
and I think I have. They'll bede in the next

(01:11:30):
twenty minutes or so. Each of them will keep eyes
on their respective rounds across the next little while as
they as they mount their assault on the top of
the leaderboard. Couple of other kiwis still there. Josh Gary
is two under through nine holes today. He's seven under
for the tournament, tie for thirtieth, and Ryan Fox is
into the final few holes of his fourth round one

(01:11:50):
under through fourteen, four under for the tournament that has
him in a tie for fifty second, twenty to two
back in a sect with James mcconey in his regular
Sunday slot the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Seventeen away from two Sunday afternoons, we have the pleasure
of the company of James mccony in studio this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Hello mate, get a poney. How are you mate? Very good,
great to see you're great to hear you. You've got
cricket on your mind this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 23 (01:12:25):
There is something rotten in the state of Denmark, poney,
And by Denmark I mean the wider New Zealand cricket community.
And it's tough to sort of make this interesting to
the average punter. So everyone bear with me, because we're
talking about that new T twenty competition that has been
backed by Indian money and several former Black Caps Stephen Fleming,
Jeff Allott, Daniel Vittori, and it's created a war at

(01:12:49):
New Zealand cricket. Are you aware of this, pony.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Very aware of it? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Very Awever, I mean we're following it closely from both sides.
Are there is a lot of dialogue, a lot of
conversation about this. What are you taking from it? What's
front of mind when you're thinking about it at the moment.

Speaker 23 (01:13:06):
Well, to me it seems a little bit fishy. But
when New Zealand Cricket learned of the plans in September.
They asked consultants Deloitte to analyze the four potential options
for the future of twenty twenty cricket in New Zealand.
So one was the new Consortium. There was a big
bash theory, there was a kind of combo of other
things and maybe just the status quo stay the same.

(01:13:28):
But the Consortium didn't like that and they appeared to
have thrown their toys, and now they're trying to get
rid of Scott Ween, the CEO of New Zealand Cricket,
who by all accounts has done a pretty good job
turned a loss into a profit in the past year.
I think even was given a pay rise for doing
such a good job, and now a few months later

(01:13:50):
they're trying to oust them. It just doesn't add up
to me, Piney, and that's why I sort of think
what's going on there? How is how's it got to this?
And I know that the consortium say, I've got the
backing of the six major associations, so we're talking about districts,
central districts, et cetera, et cetera. And they spoke to

(01:14:11):
those associations behind New Zealand Crickets back. But I've heard
that northern districts are actually saying pump the brakes here.
We want to hear all the proposals and just see
where it lands. But somehow WHENIX heads on the block.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Well, we had Don mckinnonon last week. He is sort
of heading up the establishing Committee or the Investigative Committee
of of NZ twenty of you like. So we spoke
to him last week on the show and he said, well, yes,
we know, we're just one of four options that New
Zealand Cricket are considering, and he said, we think that's
good governance that they are looking at all the options.

(01:14:48):
And he's right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Obviously, if you have her above something, you don't just
go for the bright shiny option every time you consider
all of the options.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
So I'm a little bit like you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I'm not quite sure how it's got to where it's
got to. But if I've learned anything about sport and
professional sport in my time covering it, it's that off
best practice can be jettisoned by differences in personality. I'm
not sure if that's what's happened here, but I get
the feeling it may be playing a part.

Speaker 23 (01:15:16):
Yeah, the issue is, I mean, this is a story
about boardroom politics and some would say bored in politics,
but hey, we're going to make it interesting by saying that.
I think when Don McKinnon came on and we were
talking about not the politician, it's this is the sports administrator.
I mean, I guess he was probably trying to say
the right things, but I hear that you know that

(01:15:36):
this is the fact that Weenix Head is on the
chopping block is because that the consortium has backing inside
the NZ Cricket boardroom. So and that the irony is,
you know, Dom McKinnon is he's the chair of New
Zealand's Sport Integrity Commission. So I was going, well, where's

(01:15:59):
the integrity and going behind New Zealand Crickets back courting,
you know, major associations, then ambushing news Ellen Cricket with
a proposal that either has to be accepted or the
CEO loses his job. There's not much integrity there in
my opinion. But the thing is, even Don might have
to investigate himself pony, and even though that seems like

(01:16:20):
a joke, who can New Zealand Cricket complain to when
the Integrity Commission is the guy fronting the new private
league that's sitting in front of you giving you an
ultimatum if.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
We zoom out from it just for a sec. Do
you what is your view on the current domestic T
twenty competition? Do you agree that it needs a look
at for one of these, you know, whatever the proposal
that whichever proposal they land on, do you agree that
that it needs to be changed, that it is not
not currently doing the job, that it's that it's there.

Speaker 23 (01:16:51):
For Yeah, I think that there needs to be a
little bit of juging up. And it's quite tricky because
remember the Super Smash runs you know, parallel with New
Zealand cricket games, so you often don't have the best
players available and they might not be available even with
the backing of the Indian and v Ess, you know.
But I think the idea that when and the NZI

(01:17:12):
Cricket were in talks with the Big Bash, which is
a huge league, and if they could get a team
or teams into the Big Bash like the Warriors in
the NRL or you know the Wellington Phoenix and Aukland
their c in the A league, and that the players
can become domestic players. They're all available, they don't count
for your overseas player quota. Then it's actually a pretty

(01:17:32):
cool deal if they can get that through. But then
some maybe that's the big battle because the major associations
feel that they'll be left behind. But currently the Super
Smash has had years of not having the best players playing,
but they've also provided a lot of stars. If you
look at their you know that the best players or
the leader charts of every single Super Smash. You know,

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Devin Conway became a black cap, same with Glenn Phillips,
Mark Chapman. It is still a really good feeder league.
But look, they need to do something there. And that's
why I sort of feel like, let's just see what
happens with this with the findings of Deloitte, and let
let a CEO who's actually got some vision to sort
of make a call. But if it doesn't fall your way,

(01:18:15):
I don't I don't think it's worth throwing your toys
that like the Consortium have. And what worries me Piney
is you know, I've watched the reporting and I wonder
who are the independent cricket journalists anymore. It's quite tricky
because you've got Heath Mills from the Players Association, who's
behind this. Well, he's drinking buddies with a lot of
cricket journalists who we know, and so I don't know
that probably either behind it or staying quiet on it.

(01:18:39):
So you've got that kind of faction as well. And
then you've got David Hallman, who is used to be
the boss of WADA and he's involved in Wellington cricket.
Now you know, the world antidoping guy. He's pushing the barrow.
And then you've got Victorian Fleming. And if I was
for Victoria or Fleming, I wouldn't want a bar of
this that sort of known for their leadership and the

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Consortium so far I think has shown quite the opposite.
And you know their bank balance might benefit, but I
think their mana will diminish.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Very interesting thoughts, James, Very interesting.

Speaker 23 (01:19:09):
I mean has to be said news talks, there be
you guys, there's going to be investigation Jiff two V.
I mean if Mike Costking, I mean hand in your
journalism card, if he doesn't dig deeper, Because you can
get blinded by people with lots of money and they
will get paid, but the only person if we get
into the Big Bash or whatever. It's just you know,

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there's no kickbacks or handouts or any kind of stuff.
It's just, you know, our best players get to play
in the Big Bash. So I don't know, it just
seems weird just seeing that suddenly this CEO has done
a pretty good job, has got his head on the
chopping block. That doesn't really add up. It's very very fishy, pony.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Interesting to hear an alternative view, because you're about the
first one I've heard to have voiced an alternative view
on this. So yeah, so I appreciate you doing so.
Just before you go, I was a Nelson on Friday night, Yes,
lucky enough to get invited along to the Nelson Sports Awards,
administered by Sport Tasmin now Sport Tasman. Of course the
name would suggest. Look after the Top of the South

(01:20:09):
and the reviews, I was hearing about your MC job
at the Mulbra Sports Awards the previous week. Goodness, gracious me,
I'm surprised you is aren't still burning with the praise
that was coming your way. The way that you the
way that you apparently just just mesmerized the entire room
there and blend them.

Speaker 23 (01:20:29):
Jesus was a slow start, pony. You know when you
try to crack a few jokes and no one laughs
and you get the sweats, you know, I know what
that's like. Yeah, it took a lot of work to
bring them around. But in the end, we were you know,
we were we were lucky because I think there were
some interesting characters who came up, not least been O'Keefe
and and Tamathy Tavetamanawa's first coach, Bill Bill Matthews. So

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we were, we were lucky. But I heard you did
the same at the Nelson Sports Awards, mate, So maybe
we need to do a swap and then do a
and get Deloitte and to do an official study of
who actually mc these these tans and sports awards better.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I can tell well, I can tell you what the
findings will be. Well, I've got a gut feel what
the findings will be. But yeah, maybe we need to
need to employ them. Great to Jed as always, mate,
thanks for stopping into the studio. Have an excellent rest
of your weekend. AUKLANDLEFC this afternoon, are you confident that
they can get the three points against Newcastle.

Speaker 23 (01:21:23):
Yes i am, but I'm more excited that the next
got up yesterday, so we need to sort of keep
pumping them and get them back on the charts.

Speaker 8 (01:21:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Darby next week is Arby next week, so yeah, yeah,
they springboard themselves on. Great to see your mate. We
look forward to catching up again next weekend. James mccaroney.
He's been part of our see big part of our
Sunday afternoons seven and a half away from two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
When it's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
You made a call on eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
News Talks EVY.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Coming up four to two.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
After two, we'll review the Phoenixes win yesterday in Wellington
and preview Auckland FC against Newcastle with former international goalkeeper
and now football analyst Jacob Spoonley.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
He's with us.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
After two we'll get insother the Tall Blacks camp as well.
They were narrow losers on Friday night in Hobart to
the Boomers of Australia. They play again in Wellington tomorrow
night and we go Stateside as well for a rap
of US sport with our expert Leon Busby. Nick Vok
has already picked up a stroke in his fourth round.
Early in his fourth round at the PGA Championship in Brisbane,

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he is now up to eleven under for the tournament.
That's level with Daniel Hillier, who has part his first
hole today to stay at eleven under. Kazuma Kabori hasn't
yet registered his first hole. From what I can see
on the scorecard here, he is at twelve under. The
leaders are at thirteen under. This is going to be
a really exciting final round for the kiwi's involved at

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the PGA Championship. We will well and truly keep our
eyes on that for you. Hilly, Voke and Kibori all
in contention to win in Brisbane. This afternoon News Next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
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Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
He's all on Wi James four with Jason Vade on
your home of Sports US Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Hello there, seven past two.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
I'm Jason Pine. This is Weekend Sport. Any McDonald is
producing the show. Were hit till three when Tim Beveridge
takes over for the Weekend Collector. Before we get there,
there's a whole heap of stuff I want to cover off.
You heard Alice Robinson and the news, dominating her competition
and winning the Women's Giant Slalom World Cup events in Colorado.
I want to hear a bit more from Alis Robinson,
want to get to Cutter for the Cutter Formula one

(01:23:38):
Grand Prix, Lium Lawson's thoughts after qualifying sw GP final
and Abu Dhabi. Peter Berling on that Tall Blacks now.
The Tall Blacks are coming to Wellington for tomorrow night's
second Test against the Australian Boomers. They were narrowly defeated
on Friday night in Hobart. By the sounds of it,

(01:23:58):
they've had some travel issues. They're not the only ones,
as you've probably picked up over the weekend. There's been
a bit of bit a scheduling carnage around flights across
the Tasman and domestically as well. We will attempt to
get you inside the Tall Blacks camp, but even if
we can't, we'll bring you some basketball this hour. Leon

(01:24:19):
Busby US sports expert also and before three and very
shortly want to talk some football as well with Jacob
Spoonley the Phoenix winning yesterday. Can Auckland FC make it
two from two for the New Zealand A league clubs
this afternoon. They kick off in under an hour go
met the Austadium, Auckland FC against the Newcastle Jets. All
of that to come we can squeeze in always your calls,

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your correspondents, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty a
free corp nine two ninety two if you wish to
correspond with us by text, and also, of course we
will keep you up to date with the BMW Australian
PGA Championship, Kibori, Hillia and voke all there or thereabouts.
I do note though, that Daniel Hillier has dropped a
shot to move back to ten under Nick vok is

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el eleven under Kazuma Kabori has parted his first hole.
He is twelve under. Then it is now a four
way tipe of the lead at thirteen. A very tight
leaderboard and an exciting conclusion coming to the Australian PGR
Championship at the Royal Queensland Golf Course in Brisbane. But
as we tick towards nine past two, as we always

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do around about this time on Saturday and Sunday afternoons,
it's time to get you across some of the things
you may have missed over the last little while in
case you missed at starting with a pole position, turning
into a sprint race winning cutter for Oscar Piastree.

Speaker 24 (01:25:44):
Pastree now to the lane for a hattrick of victories
is owd It's kata and a third winner the sprints
for Oscar ps three, the championship leader for fifteen rounds.
The Championship challenger now takes maximum points in the sprints.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
So that was the sprints and then.

Speaker 24 (01:25:59):
He then pantses his teammate makes his way around the
final quarter is it poll for Piastree and is tool
for pair three Oscar Piasty by a tenth of a second.
Keep this championship challenge going.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
He does back in pole position for the Grand Prix
feature race and cut up and putting the heat on
his teammate Lando Norris to Football's Premier League Manchester City
living at Lake to beat Leeds United.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
Cashie from sol So and he thanks her for this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It's a row of relief at the it he.

Speaker 23 (01:26:35):
Hat and phil food and he started the scoring a
minute in.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Might just have settled it and stop.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Its time three to the final Scoreter City there the
World seven Series is underway. The All Black sevens will
face Fiji in their semi final after an undefeated first
day in Dubai and now.

Speaker 24 (01:26:55):
Australia have to go long but him has to go,
doesn't himself, for he's long but a big rifle. The
Ben told him he's got a stress to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Hilder doesn't know. Is he a little killy la sung up?

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
There is no try has.

Speaker 25 (01:27:12):
Held up Ben Dalton some way somehow and New Zealand
get away with one.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
They have and will, as I say, face fig in
the semi finals.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
That game is tonight at eleven twenty eight pm for
those interested in staying up for at the Blackfern Sevens
will face Japan and their semi Despite a shock loss.

Speaker 20 (01:27:33):
A try wins it for the Black Ferns, his Sorenson McGee.
She buys a bit of time that's gone forward and
they may well survive here the USA they do.

Speaker 17 (01:27:43):
They do.

Speaker 20 (01:27:45):
Celebration time for the USA. They have snapped a four
seen game losing streak against New Zealand and the Black.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Ferns can't quite believe it. Yeah, but they went through
to the semi's okay. They play Japan at twelve minutes
past ten tonight and another dark day for Welsh rugby,
a record at seven three nil defeat at home at
the hands of South Africa and.

Speaker 26 (01:28:11):
Waleses agony brought to a close, battered in Cardiff like
they have never been batted before. It takes the very best,
maybe the best ever, to post totals like this, and
that is unquestionably these South Africans, these spring Boks.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Who end the year with the record breaking.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Flourish the school from the track field and the court
on your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine
Youth Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
In b coming up twelve minutes past two.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
After two straight home defeats in just one victory in
their first five games of the A League Means Football season,
the Wellington Phoenix back in the winner's circle and is there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
The last opportunity for the visitors light in the Wellington Phoenix.

Speaker 25 (01:29:10):
They climbed from their recent front defeat one of the
competition's form sites and springboard themselves into next weekend's Darby.
How crucial might that performance that result be when they
look back upon this season.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
So a two to one win for the Wellington Phoenix
over Adelaide United yesterday. Alex Rufer opening the scoring of
the first half, Remy Nazarene adding a second from the
penalty spot After an hour, Young Joey Gerruccio on deve
Boo off the bench for Adelaide, making it two to
one with fifteen minutes to go, but the Phoenix hanging
on for a crucial three points. Former Phoenix and All

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Whites goalkeeper Jacob Spoonley was in the Skysport commentary box
for this one and will be again for Auckland FC's
next match against Newcastle this afternoon underway at three o'clock.
Jacob want to talk about the Auckland f C game
in a moment. But for the Phoenix, how needed was
this win for them yesterday?

Speaker 15 (01:30:12):
Very finey and it was a different team, wasn't it.
They looked absolutely polar opposites from the side that took
the field against MacArthur, and they had energy, They moved
with intention and we've talked a lot about how this
sort to control games through possession and pressure, but that
had a purpose yesterday and that was really clear from

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the outset. We wanted a response after the derby, didn't
get it last week, but got it in the first
fifteen minutes yesterday, and importantly, they created a product at
the end that Alex Rufer I could argue one of
the best players on the field. He was a difference
and he gave kind of value to the inertiap that

(01:30:53):
they had created.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
In your experience, is it common for teams to play
and I'm not going to sugarcoat this terribly one week
and then come out and play far, far better than
next And what causes that? How can the same group
of players be so different from wake?

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Do like?

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
It must be terribly difficult for coaches.

Speaker 15 (01:31:16):
I like how you've come to the expert not playing
very well, Piney, But you're right, a professional sport, it's
a grind. It still is a job, and you can
get very much into the rhythms of it. So going
through the motions has a really bad connotation. But what
I want the audience to appreciate is that you know,

(01:31:37):
there's still very much is you know, being stuck in
the rhythm of the job. And from what we heard,
chiefly obviously didn't like the game last week, But what
he's really focused on is connecting this football team back
to the community that they represent, and importantly the Yellow
Fea fans that are so invested he got decide to
sit in the stands and to appreciate quite literally the

(01:32:01):
game from the perspective of the fans. And I think
in those sorts of experiences for the players there's a
lot of value because it takes them out of the training,
out of the minutia of passing the ball, working only
touch all that sort of things, and gets them to
realize that not only do they represent a city, but
they need to ensure that they reflect the qualities and

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the energy and the investment from the fans. And I
think that's a really smart move from them. So not
only was it a reaction after McCarthy game, but it
was also all right, let's get back to who we
are and what we want to do. And that's definitely
put the Phoenix on the front foot. I think, well
before the ninety minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Indeed, well, their next assignment's a big one, the derby.
I want to talk about Auckland Left. C's a game
this afternoon in a moment, But how crucial was yesterday
and how much confidence will the Phoenix take is they
had to derby number five against Auckland Left, say they've
lost the last four, how much of a springboard will
yesterday give them.

Speaker 15 (01:33:00):
I think the performance was the most important aspect yesterday.
The result was there and that's confident building, and not
only does it give you confidence into the derby, but
it also puts the Phoenix at the moment in the
top six. So they when they look at the table,
they all see themselves up around the likes of Sydney FC,

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Auckland's FC and Prisdan Raw So they are still kind
of attached to that conversation. The other thing to note,
Piney is that the way the Phoenix went about their
job yesterday, they wanted to get on that front foot.
As I said before, there was an urgency about their
game that we haven't seen at times.

Speaker 22 (01:33:40):
This is a side that has put.

Speaker 15 (01:33:42):
A lot of stock in controlling matches, perhaps been a
bit conservative at times, but what we saw yesterday was
a side that wanted to press, that wanted to disrupt,
never let Adelaide settle on the ball, and those sorts
of aspects to the game. Those qualities are going to
be so instrumental because they will be walking into a
cauldron at go Media Stadium next weekend. Auckland's stowed up

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beat the Phoenix two to one, done their hometown with
nine men, and what we're sharing is that there is
a thinks that this is going to be the b
starvy yet because Auckland wants to make a spectacle out
of this. We've seen behind the scenes that this Auckland
management staff prioritizer Derby. They want to make it a statement.
They want to suppress Leanings and Phoenix, and there is

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a growing sense within the Phoenix I think that they
really want to land a blow. Publicly, they won't say it,
they won't build it up too much, but I think
privately they want to get their own back and this
is a great time for.

Speaker 9 (01:34:42):
Them to go and do it well.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
They can focus their energy on that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Now for Auckland FC, they of course have to negotiate
their next assignment, which is in just an hour or
so when they take on Newcastle ABG Media Stadium. You
know you talk about subpar performances. Steve Coriker pulled no
punches last week when he joined you on the Sky
panel after the game against Brisbane, even though they came

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away with a one all draw, he said, this is
the worst we've played since I've been here, and that's
the entire life of the club. How likely is a
reaction from Auckland FC this afternoon to what happened a
week ago.

Speaker 15 (01:35:18):
We've already seen one piney so Marley France, are Jake
Bremmer and Dan Hall of being introduced to the squad,
and I'll take you behind the scenes. Just rewinding to
last week, we're on the panel and Steve has very
clearly delivered a message in the responses to the first
two questions that we've had, and I thought at that
point we were moving on, and then in my ears

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from our producer Kingsley, comes one more question. So I
came up with something on the spot, got pretty much
exactly the same response from Steve, which is not happy.
There's going to be something that's talked about internally and
we need to be better great and messing blaired Dainty
the director.

Speaker 18 (01:35:55):
Clearly something are going wrong.

Speaker 15 (01:35:56):
He's like, hey, guys, just one more question. I was like,
I can feel the heat radiating often guy, I was
panning right next to him.

Speaker 13 (01:36:05):
No more question, Let him go.

Speaker 15 (01:36:08):
Let him go and process what he needs to process.
But in terms of Auckland and the way they want
to play, for me, the most important thing today is
the press. It is how they want to use what
is an effect of defensive action and weaponize it against
Newcastle Jets. And this is a side that might play
into the teeth of that defensive effort, of that energy,

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of that intention for Auckland f C. The Jets under
Mark Milligan are a side that do want to play
They want to play short. There are shades of Angiposta,
Conglu and Mark Milligan and they will want to play
through whatever is posed by Auckland's and any means necessary.

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And that is something that I think is going to
be a fascinating bat of what wins out the press
or the commitment to playing what will be methodical football.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Do you think Auckland FC are a better team potentially
this year than last year? Ross wise, having had the
one season under their belt, they were very very good
in their maiden season. Could they potentially be a better
team in season two.

Speaker 15 (01:37:18):
It's a really interesting question, and I think everyone's perspective
on this is colored by comparing the Auckland side that
we came to love and gave us so much excitement
in the back end of the year to this team
that is really working its way into the season, They've
worked your way through injuries, they've got new recruitment, so

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there's always a phasing imperiod pined. So I think it's
largely a bit of a It's a bit inaccurate, but
unreasonable to say, well, no, they're not scoring the goals.
There's not that fluid football that we saw from them
in the back end of last season. Take you back
to the start of last year and this Auckland side.
We're grinding out results, often late into games. I do

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think that there is an element of color bration that
isn't there in this Sorkland team at the moment. They
are a different team, let's remember, and they are working
each other out. They're not playing with those two traditional
wingers and bombing on. There's not necessarily that same little
energy through the middle of the park. But that's not
a bad thing. They're now players a lopsided attack, very

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much on the left hand side. Lachland broke the right
wingers coming inside, and so I think it's still working
out how this all comes together. What I do think
we want to see though, is a more resolute, certain
defensive effort, and I don't think we've seen that at
times this season. There's been a suggestion of fragility that
we didn't see there last season, and I think that's

(01:38:48):
the thing that's perhaps the most frustrating step in particularly
he did mention it last week that he felt that
they weren't always lock and key tight.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Looking forward to the soufternoons contest Aukland FC against the
new Castle Jets three o'clock auld go media, and then
a six day white for Darbin number two this season
Derby number five and as you say, Jake could be
the best Derby yet always appreciate your analysis.

Speaker 5 (01:39:11):
Thanks for joining us, not a problem, mate, and can't
wait for this one.

Speaker 15 (01:39:16):
The whistle to be by on this one and then
we get to focus on the derby next week. Piney,
I truly believe this is going to be the best
monu minutes of football that we've seen out of the derbies.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Well let's hope so, mate, I'll hold you to that
and I certainly hope you're right. And when my experience
you normally are Jacob Spoonley joining us with a look
at football. So Auckland FC against Newcastle this afternoon from
three o'clock and then Derby number two for the year
is next Saturday, five o'clock at go Media State and
Auckland f C at home to Wellington Phoenix, who will

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go in with a fair degree of confidence after their
win over Adelaide United. Yesterday two twenty three, we were
talking about the Commonwealth Games yesterday and the potential of
bringing them back to New Zealand. Nicky Nickel, from the
New Zealand Olympic Committee CEO there joined us and talked
about their desire to at least, at the very least
explore the possibility of having the Commonwealth Games here in

(01:40:10):
New Zealand in twenty thirty four. We had a great
discussion about it. Yesterday got an email overnight from Richard Willis,
who was the father of Nick Willis, who obviously you'll
know from his feats in both Commonwealth and Olympic Games.
I wanted to read parts of Richard's email to you,
Jason regular List especially interested in the comm Games. I've
been to five Melbourne, Dally, Glasgow and Gold Coast in

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addition to six Olympics and many World Championships. There are
several compelling arguments, writes Richard, for the Commonwealth Games, the
main one being they allow aspiring athletes to compete in
a more limited international competition. My son Nick has won
gold and two bronzes in the Commonwealth Games and two
Olympic medals. There is no doubt his win at the

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Common Games in Melbourne two thousand and six set him
up for silver at the Olympics in Beijing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
The big issue, though, is where in New Zealand Wellington
no good Unfortunately only one proper track, which, despite our pleas,
they refuse to build the new stadium large enough for
a track. Richard is also currently President of Athletics Wellington.
He notes here and then goes on to say the
venue must have an international airport, sufficient hotel type accommodation,

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a stadium with a track or capable of laying one down,
which is what happened at the mcg and six, a
stadium capable of holding at least thirty five thousand and
reasonable access to a valodrome, and maybe a rowing venue,
et cetera. And Richard goes on to say christ Church
is out of the question. Really, the new athletics stadium
would need to have seating built all the way around it,

(01:41:41):
and the new indoor complex is too small. They might
consider though, applying for a World Indoor Championship, which only
needs a two hundred track, so that leaves Auckland as
the only real possibility, especially if some bright engineer could
push some of the seating back so that a four
hundred meter track could be refitted. As for the nineteen
ninety Games at Mount Smart, it already has a warm

(01:42:02):
up track next door with tunnel connection. It has a
train line could easily be run to a new temporary stadium.
Great thoughts, Richard, thank you for getting in touch with those.
I guess we wait to see what the next steps are.
By the sounds of it, they're not going to have
any idea about the process forbidding for twenty thirty four
until after Glasgow's Games next year. The twenty twenty six

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Commonwealth Games two twenty six quick check on the golf
for you, if I can get the correct screen up here,
it is so. Kazumi Kabori has part of the first
two holes. He stayed at twelve under. The leaders are
at thirteen under. There are four of them at thirteen under,
including the three of a night leaders who are yet
to register a score for their first hole. Nick Vokee

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one under three to three holes is eleven under for
the tournament and Dan Hilly are won over through two
today has dropped down to ten under, but still well
and truly within striking distance, so thirteen under the leaders,
Kabori at twelve under, Voke at eleven under, Hilly Are
at ten under the card We'll come back in a
seat and talks and basketball on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
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Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
Be two twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
The Tall Blacks have suffered a narrow eighty four to
seventy nine defeat to Australia in their World Cup qualifying
opener in Hobart on Friday night, and that is.

Speaker 27 (01:43:28):
All and after its Titanic battle, a sea storing affair
where both teams were in front in each of the
fourth quarter as Australia gets home for the tune of
five points. Full time in Hobart, it's Australia eighty four,
New Zealand seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Now New Zealand led by seven at halftime and was
still up by one at three quarter time, but they
were outscored eighteen twelve in the fourth quarter as the
Boomers held their nerve to draw first blood in this
trans Tasman series. Sam and Inga led the Tall Black
statue nineteen points ten rebounds. Flynn Cameron had fifteen points
and seven assists. The two sides will meet again in

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Wellington tomorrow night to complete the feb International window. Now,
we were hoping to get a chat with a member
of the Tall Blacks. Unfortunately their travel has been disrupted
today so they're not available to chat to us. Let's
hear though from coach jud Flavel with his initial thoughts
on game one.

Speaker 5 (01:44:19):
Good competitive game.

Speaker 16 (01:44:22):
I think we all anticipated that it was going to
be a physical game, you know, one that you know,
I'm proud of our team for I guess particular areas
in the game that we wanted to really impose ourselves.
You know, we won the rebound account, which is which
is a huge part of I guess, the way that
we want to play. We you know, Ossie, the Boomers

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were very physical, pushing us out of our stuff, you know,
our cutting and things like that in the second half,
but you know, we dealt with that. They we had
a little lead they came back, they took the lead,
we came back and secured it again. So you know,
back and forth, and Dale Heckey makes a big shot.
I can't remember the time, but just the push that

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lead up and probably just give them a little bit
of a relief.

Speaker 5 (01:45:10):
But I guess I look at the stat.

Speaker 16 (01:45:12):
Sheet and they go, we shot twenty five percent from
the from the three point line. A lot of those
shots we really like and we'll take them again. And
then the turnovers. You know, that's probably the key stat
right there is just you know, fifteen is not necessarily
a lot, but they scored well, they' score twelve points
off it, so you know, international basketball, it's too many,

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too many points, too many free beests. So yeah, it's
those are some key areas for us to take take
a look at and to adjust for a game two.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
So speaking of game two, then what will the areas
of focus be for the tall Backs. Will they be
building on their strong second and third quarters or looking
at what happened in the first and fourth quarters?

Speaker 11 (01:45:54):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
Both.

Speaker 16 (01:45:55):
You know, I think we we always got to tap
into our strengths, and I think, you know, some of
those areas of I thought we put some really good
defensive patches together and then just you know, there was
there was moments there. I think we just controlled the
glass and so we got to control the temper of
the game. And I think once we secured the ball,

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sometimes we got a little bit too excited, you know,
and and so.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
We just got to be a little bit more composed,
I think. So that happened.

Speaker 16 (01:46:23):
Yeah, in the first half, obviously we were controlled the
rebounds and and but those are probably the key areas,
not necessarily when it happened, but just the common themes
that we saw, and maybe we got away with it
a little bit in the first half and second half
we didn't, you know, probably the other side on as
I'm looking at the statute, just Glover, I think, you know,
he got into a bit of a rhythm there, as

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we know he does, and you know, I guess just
being a little bit more urgent with certain people.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
But overall, as Isaiah says, like a lot to like.

Speaker 16 (01:46:56):
And we'll be looking at those areas again, and you know,
both teams get to go against each other again.

Speaker 5 (01:47:01):
I'm sure there's gonna be.

Speaker 16 (01:47:02):
A little bit of little adjustments here and there, but
for the majority of it you, we want to continue
to play to our identity.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
So next from Judd Flavl, do they take confidence from
silencing the home Australian crowd and will that carry over
to having confidence in front of their own home crowd
on Monday night at Wellington?

Speaker 16 (01:47:21):
Yeah, I think, you know, crowd being silenced or not
just happy with the way that the guys are playing. Yeah,
defensively rebounding once again, the you know, both teams have
been together for a few days, so you know you're
not going to get everything right out there, but you're
going to be dependent upon guys communicating with each other.

Speaker 5 (01:47:39):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 16 (01:47:40):
There's basketball one on one stuff that we're relying upon
the guys to do.

Speaker 5 (01:47:44):
But yeah, for the majority of the majority of it, very.

Speaker 16 (01:47:49):
Happy and I think we just can do a lot
better to close out possessions or just entering our position
and being on the same page a little bit more
and just tiding up a few things there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
And finally from jud Flavel, will there be a focus
on rebounding as they had a big advantage in that
area early on in the game, but Australia then came
back and kind of leveled that out near the end.

Speaker 5 (01:48:11):
Good question.

Speaker 16 (01:48:12):
That's that's really the part of the game that will
be looking into quite in depth there because I think
we just got a little bit probably messy there with
our offense, and a lot of that was you know,
the Boomers ramping up their defense and pushing us off.

Speaker 5 (01:48:26):
But I think, you know, like we still I think
it rebounded well.

Speaker 16 (01:48:32):
We had some offensive rebounds down there, we didn't really capitalize.
I mean, they made some players that you know, tip
the ball off, they made some blocks. You know, there's
some some ones there under the basket that you know,
we would have liked to have had again. But I mean,
I think I think that's really two teams just going
out it, you know, and being physical. And I thought

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we did a great great job again to the foul
line that first half, attacking the scenes, and I think
we just got a couple of shots honestly, just to
open that back up again. So if we do that,
you know, the bus was a beautiful game when you're
making a couple more threes and that was probably the difference.
Now they said out there made twelve threes, and so yeah,

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we would have liked to have done that, but it
just means you've got to be very precise and execute
even more and I don't think we did that tonight,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
So those are the areas.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Those are the as always eloquent thoughts of Tollblack's head
coach Judd Flavel after the opening match against Australia Friday
night in Hobart, a narrow five point last game two
tomorrow night at Wellington's tesB Arena with a seven o'clock
tip off, as the toll Blacks I'm sure will take confidence,
as you heard there from jud Flavel into the second meeting,
knowing that they are not a million miles away from

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the Boomers, who I'm sure would have been heavily favored
going into this two match series.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
Twenty four to three.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
Liam Lawson, meantime, enjoyed an improved day at Formula one's
Cutter Grand Prix, capped off by posting the twelfth fastest
time and qualifying. After struggling on Friday with the seventeenth
fastest time qualifying for the sprint race, Lawson was a
credible fourteenth over the nineteen lap qualifying before achieving his
best start in Kata. Despite missing a place in the

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top ten starting twelfth sees him better than his eighteenth
in twenty twenty three and the seventeenth he achieved at
the same track last year, and he outqualified Red Ball
rival Yuki Sonoda, who was eliminated in the first session
of qualifying for the third Grand Prix in a row.
This is at a time where both drivers await their

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futures being officially locked in for next season, as we
understand it, and let's hope that sanity prevails here. After
the Kata Grand Prix, the Formula One race the main
race tomorrow, Red Ball Slash Racing Balls will at least
make an announcement about Liam Lawson's future for next year.
All signs are that he will have his Racing Ball

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seat again in twenty twenty six, but it would be
nice to have it confirmed. Here is Liam Lawson's post
qualifying me the interview just a short one from Liam.
Firstly on how the car felt.

Speaker 21 (01:51:10):
Very sensitive for us this weekend, trying to make it
a little bit easier from yesterday and I think the
car was in a much bit of window today. We
ended Q one in a very comfortable place and then
unfortunately just very small changes seem to make it very
tricky to drive, and we barely improved in Q two
so it's frustrating, but obviously a small step from yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:51:33):
Long hot race ahead tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
What's your feeling in terms of the race pace? Can
you push on and maybe grabble point or two of
or go as well?

Speaker 21 (01:51:40):
We'll definitely try. It's going to be tough for sure,
but yeah, obviously we'll we will try try and move forward.
I think our race base today was very good. We
just needed to qualify better and unfortunately this hasn't helped.
This hasn't helped that time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
That is Liam Lawson after qualifying, so he will start
from what did I say, twelfth? Yes, the twelfth fastest
time in qualifying, So yeah, a couple of positions to
make up and maybe he's back amongst points again when
that race gets underway tomorrow morning. New Zealand time twenty
two away from three. Let's take a break then we'll

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take your state side Lee on Busby Weekend Sports US
sports expert going to join us. We've got some NBA basketball,
we've got some college football and NFL as well to cover.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
Ween Leon joins us after this break.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Don't get caught off side eight ten eighty Weekend Sports
with Jason Paine and GJ.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Home builder news Dogs env eighteen to three.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Kirston on textar Piney the commentator's advice this morning that
Hadja confirmed he has the Red Bull seat and Sonoda
has confirmed he hasn't made the team. Kirsten, thank you.
I hadn't picked up on that. That always appeared to
be the way they were going, right. I see Ralph
Schumacher and talking to Sky in Germany has said the
same thing is he said, Look, it's a pretty obvious

(01:52:58):
scenario here and it's a pretty poorly kept secret that
Sonoda will be going. Hadjar will go into the Red
Bull seat and awesome will keepers seat alongside Lyndblatt. Avid Lindblatt,
this new Red Bull junior. So let's hope that is
confirmed over the next little while. Let's talk some US sport.
Leon Busby are US sports expert on Weekend Sport to

(01:53:19):
take us stateside?

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
How are you mate?

Speaker 22 (01:53:23):
Afternoon? Jason stays for having me back on hitch to cover,
So let's get into.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
It, mate, Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
NBA Dallas Mavericks general manager Nico Harrison fired recently after
probably the worst trade in NBA history, getting rid of
Luka Doncic.

Speaker 22 (01:53:38):
Yes, so amidst all of the betting scandals that recently
camped to light. About three weeks ago, then Dallas Mavericks
general manager and President of Basketball Operations Niko Harrison was
fired due to the fallout from the stunny Luca Dontrich
trade to the La Lakers in February. The twenty six
oth Slavinian and a generational chalent now in his prime,
was reluctantly shifted and I would be the worst trade,

(01:54:00):
as you alluded to in the NBA let alone in
all of professional sports. Dallas was due to paid Dontrich
max contract extension, but Harrison thought they had more options
available in a three team deal. Remember that Donts had
just led the Mavericks to the Finals, even though they
originally lost to Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:54:17):
See now.

Speaker 22 (01:54:18):
Just prior to Dallas competing in the twenty twenty four
NBA Finals, Harrison signed a contract extension with the Mavericks
for an undisclosed sum. He was earning five million annually
as part of the front office. So how has that
all worked out? The Lakers are thicken in the Western
Conference while the Mavericks are panking and set fourteen out
of fifteen. An absolute disaster for Dallas and no surprise

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in hindsight that Harrison was eventually shown.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
The door poning.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
Yeah, I think most of us, you included, could have
predicted this a long way out lead.

Speaker 8 (01:54:48):
But more for that one you do not.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
You do not well? Interesting to see that it played
out that way.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Ah, the NBA itself, now you sent me notes, but
had the NBA Cup. Now this sits inside the NBA
regular season?

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Is that right? Can you explain this to us?

Speaker 9 (01:55:04):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:55:04):
So.

Speaker 22 (01:55:04):
The third edition of the NBA formerly known as the
n Season Tournament, has introduced one of the most visually
striking annovations in professional basketball, exertic hardwood courts designed specifically
for Cup games. These courts don't just so different, they're
built to signal that these matchups stand apart from regular
season games, given the tournament it's own identity, energy and

(01:55:26):
broadcast appel. Now, before I give my own thoughts on
the NBA Cup, I wanted to share this, Covie Y Piney,
you have a responsibility to this city to bring that
championship banners where they belong. You have to understand that
nothing else matters. This franchise does not hang division banners.
It does not hang conference championships. We hang one banner
and one banner only, and that's NBA titles. Do you

(01:55:49):
have a guest Piney who said that quote?

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
I know, I love the quote. Who said it?

Speaker 22 (01:55:55):
Yes? So that was famously said by NBA legend Kobe
Bryant of the Lakers, who, in a storied career, delivered
five titles to LA in seven finals appearances. Now, the
reason I shared that quote is because the twenty twenty
three Lakers won their inaugural in season tournaments and sacrilegiously
hung a banner alongside the seventeen NBA titals. Now, I'd
expected there was a lot of fan backlash, and in

(01:56:17):
a way, I feel the same. The NBA Cup is
an excuse for the Associate Association to try woodback viewers
from an otherwise dwindling TV audience, a middle like eye
candy for lack of a better term. But I'm not
a huge fan of it. For the most part, I
feel their die hard NBA fans like Andy really care
about one thing. Who gets to hoist the lario'brian Trophy's

(01:56:37):
NBA champions. There are said a pony, and hopefully I
haven't upset too many of your younger listeners with that
hot take.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
I don't think you would have, Leon, I think most
listens would feel the same way. So let's go to
the regular season. You mentioned the Lakers doing.

Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
Well in the West.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Who else is standing out in the regular season in
both the Western and Eastern conferences?

Speaker 22 (01:56:56):
Yeah, the regular season has already a called all the
way through with some teams showing up. In the East,
the Detroit Pistons, who were the punchline of the league
only two years ago after two straight losses, are leading
the conference with the fifteen and four record, followed by
the Toronto Raptors, Miami Heat, New York Nts, and the
Cleveland Cavaliers rounding out the top five. Now in the West,

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the defending champion ok Sees Thunder are looking ominous and
they're leading all contenders with an impressive nineteen to one record,
followed by the Denver Nuggets, LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, and
San Antonio Spurs.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
I know we're early, Leon, but have you started to
think about who the MVP candidates might.

Speaker 4 (01:57:34):
Be or is it too early for that.

Speaker 22 (01:57:37):
No, it's never tally mate. So in terms of players
boiling out right now and in the MVP narrative are
the usual suspects. Last season's MVP okcs kare Gildris Alexander
and three times MVP winner Denvers Nicola Jokis. It's a
toss up between them both, with Luca Johntrich or the
Lakers not far behind. Then Milwaukee Bucks superstars Gianna senter

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to Compo and Tyrese Maxi from the Philadelphia seventy six
is rounding out the top five. Most bidding agencies are
leaning towards either Jokis, HGA or don'ts to be League
MVP predicated upon this didn't stand healthy throughout the season.
Here's the stat of the day I wanted to cheer
regarding the Joker. The College Gookis finish were seventeen points,
sixteen assists and ten rebounds to a tenth triple double

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of the season in a recent win, the fastest to
reach ten triple doubles in a season in the last
forty years. It's crazy to think, Piney that Gokis is
almost expected now to average a triple double every time
he starts.

Speaker 4 (01:58:33):
And he makes it look so easy, and day got
it so hard to do it even once.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
As you say headline as many times, is that I
want to move to football to the NFL shortly. But
college football the regular season winding down. So who is
looking good for the college football playoffs?

Speaker 22 (01:58:49):
Yes? So, as you alluded to, college footballs into its
final week of the regular season, and a few days
ago the latest rankings were released, with the top five
pretty much unchanged for.

Speaker 5 (01:58:57):
The last month.

Speaker 22 (01:58:58):
The College Football Selection Committee leaned towards teams that dominate
at the line of scrimmage. They sitting the top of
the standings unbeaten on twelve are two teams, the defending
national champion Ohio State Buckeyes and the Indiana USIA's, followed
closely by the Georgia Bulldogs, Texas A and m Aggie's
and Oregon Ducks, and with three other teams on eleven

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and one rounding out the top five.

Speaker 5 (01:59:20):
Now.

Speaker 22 (01:59:20):
The schedule for the twenty twenty five to twenty six
College Football Playoff Brackett begins in mid to late December.
This is the second year the CFP is using a
twelve team format. Games are scheduled to start December nineteenth,
culminated with the National Championship Game on Monday nineteen, twenty
twenty six in Miami Gardens, Florida. For me, it's hard
to go past the Ohio State, Indiana, Texas, A and

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m and Georgia tellift the national trophy as champions pinting.

Speaker 4 (01:59:45):
You and I have talked a lotly on about the
eye watering money that is around, particularly in coaching roles.
There are some elite coaching roles I think to be
filled in college football.

Speaker 22 (01:59:56):
Yes, off the field and college football, there's still a
number of marquee head coaching positions up for grabs, with
the top paid coaches in college football now earning close
to what the NFL counterparts to. So the top five
vacancies at the moment include LSU Florida, then State Arkansas,
and UCLA. What with ni on money and boosters, open
checkbooks quite often dictate where perspective coaches will land. So

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in the college ranks, you look at the top coaches,
they're getting around twelve to fifteen million dollars, which is
equivalent to what the NFL coaches get as goalfinding.

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
Just incredible money. Incredible money to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
Yeah, are Thanksgiving in the week past, of course, and
that's always big around NFL circles. Tell us about the
Thanksgiving Day matches that have already occurred and some of
the key games tomorrow as well.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Yep, So we're now.

Speaker 22 (02:00:43):
Into Week thirteen with four games already competed over the
Thanksgiving weekend. On Flesksgiving Day alone, last year there are
one hundred and forty two million TV viewers, and this
year that's expected to be similar numbers or even substantially more. So,
we'll have a quick look at some of the key
matchups for no less than thirteen games left to salivate
over the In the early window, there are seven games.

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The most compelling matchup is an AFC showdown, with Houston
away to Indianapolis. The surprising Colts will look to bounce
back from their last game loss, but will be sorely
tested against arguably the league's best defense and the Texans,
who terrorize reigning MVP Bell's quarterback Josh Allen, sacking them
a record eight times last week, the most in his career.

Speaker 9 (02:01:24):
Now.

Speaker 22 (02:01:24):
Another game of interest early is the Cleveland Browns hosting
the San Francisco forty nine Ers, quarterback for the Browns,
should do a sand as well as first start last
week or be it against the awful Las Vegas Raiders. Now,
the forty nine ers will certainly be a big step
up for the rookie, but there's a lot of hope
for long suffering Cleveland fans that Sanders will be their
missing piece. And there's still one of only four teams

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to never play in the Super Bowl. I feel that
Cleveland need to build their roster up front on the
offensive line of the ball, and they're still a few
years away from making a playoff appearance.

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
I just want to move quickly to the Chiefs, the
Kansas City Chiefs before we knock it on the head. Lyon,
is there dinasty overall? I see they're basically they're basically
six and six one six losses that eight championship winning material?

Speaker 22 (02:02:09):
Is it yes day? Surprising? M Kansas City Chiefs dump
into the last three Super Bowls. Now, they currently, as
you said, have a five hundred records six and six
and will have to run what they call run the
table after any chance of making the postseason. So in
their remaining schedule they have a good chance to win
all five with three harder matchups at home and two

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easy road games. Since Patrick Mahomes began the starting quarterback
for Kansas City in twenty eighteen, he's led the team
to an unprecedented seven straight AFC Championship games, which has
never been done before on the Super Bowl era. It
looks like the dynasty may finally be over though, or
on hold at least for the meantime. But with head
coach Andy Reid still at the helm and myhome's under center,

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let's not throw dirt on their proverbial grave. Just step finding.

Speaker 3 (02:02:55):
Thanks me o mate, oh Leon, It's always a pleasure
to have your analysis, your expertise, your wide ranging insight
into u as sport. Thanks so much in date, Leon
bosbyt e side our US sports expert here on Weekend
Sport eights away from.

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Speaker 4 (02:03:20):
Five to three. That's pretty much us for the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
Just a very quick check back on the golf and
Brisbane Kazumi Kerbori even path through four holes. He's twelve
under for the tournament. The leader though now is David
Puig out of Spain. He is two under through three holes,
fifteen under for the tournament now so lo scoring. Nick
Focus one under through six holes, eleven under for the
tournament and Daniel Hilly are won over through five holes
today he is ten unders, so still plenty of time

(02:03:45):
for them to make their moves. Thank you so much
for listening in across the weekend. It's been a great
pleasure as always bringing Weekend Sport to you, Tom Beverage
after three huge thanks to Andy McDonald four putting the
shows together.

Speaker 4 (02:03:57):
Thanks mate. Enjoy a couple of hours of relaxation.

Speaker 3 (02:04:00):
We're back tomorrow night on Sports Talk where hopefully we'll
be able to bring you news of Liam Lawson's confirmation
for the racing ball seat next year and other bits
and pieces as well. Taking us out today well, given
the fact that tomorrow, the first of December marks the
first day of summer, it's been a kid rock taking
us out. Let's hope it's a long, hot summer that

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we can enjoy all summer long.

Speaker 4 (02:04:23):
Seemor night.

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