James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss the NZ Rugby Awards, the Black Caps v England clash, and the A-League derby rivalry.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from news Talks B one four.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's around ambout this time on a Sunday that we
catch up with James mcconey from the Alternative Commentary Collective,
Greg goes Wild and various other bits and pieces. I
think you're actually working for the ACC today, are you?
But you've taken time out of that schedule to join us.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, I've escaped the ACC of come to see you,
piney and looking forward to a great afternoon's cricket with
Matt Henry so far looking the goods?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, isn't he just hasn't he just become this spearhead?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You think about the days of Sowdy and Bolton Wagner
which are almost at an end, and Matt Henry had
to be patient, hasn't he? But man, he's well two
for twenty nine so far in listenings. He's just our
he's our leading seam bowling light now he is.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And in fact, just before lunch I would have thought, oh,
maybe give Will O'Rourke an over or two, but I guess, you.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Know, this is Tim's test and that's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But I just think it's looking like there's a chance
to strike while the iron's hot. But we were talking
last week Piney, you know what needs to happen, and
I think they've listened to us because we were talking
about will Young Mitt Santna. They've come in and they
did a job with the bat, did pretty well. So
now it's up to I wonder when Mitchell get chucked
(01:25):
the ball on his home pitch as well.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that'll happen this afternoon, particularly if
the wickets start to dry up a little bit. You
get the feeling that Mitchell Santon will get the ball
in his hand. Hey, bit of a few topics to
talk about. Wanted to get your view on the A
League shortly, but can we start with rugby. Had the
delight of chatting to Wallace Satiti on the show yesterday
(01:47):
after he won All Blacks Player of the Year Hoskins
Setutu Super Rugby Player of the Year and again, you know,
we can revisit the topic of how the Super Rugby
Player of the Year can be overlooked for the All
Blacks exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I mean, I think Wallace Cetizi has been exceptional. It
had to be him. It was his award, made every
single post winner and also was given that freedom. So
I also feel that if Hoskins Stitutu had played in
the All Blacks, he might have done something similar. He
might have been given that roving commission that Wallace had
and just excelled as well. And I personally I think
(02:25):
there's room for both of them in the All Blacks.
And it's kind of still strange having someone who was
the super rugby player of the year on the outer,
but hey, look it's recognition. I think Hoskins Situtu still
wants to leave. I think his people are talking to
n Z Rugby and initially were rebuffed, but he'll play
another season for the Blues. I think he really wants
(02:48):
to win another title for vern Cotter and is it
you know they've got a great team chemistry there. But
then after that the officer on the table and all
roads are porting to England. I think for Hoskins, they
if he can get out of that contract.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Now, you turned up breaking news journalist during the week
on x formerly Twitter when you dropped a rugby bombshell,
letting us all that Shawn Stevenson is leaving the Chiefs
to play in Japan.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, apparently prematurely. I have been told off for that tweet.
I mean you're never too old to get told off,
pony No. But they are in talks and that is
Liam Williams, the Welsh fallback. It was at Kubota he
had to leave, so there was a big gap with
a massive salary attached in Japan and Seawan Stevenson. I
mean there have been stories of him stiffing around NRL,
(03:39):
the Warriors, the Roosters, but this one here is a
big money deal. I think it's going to go ahead.
Sean Stevenson will go up to Japan. I think he's
kissed as all blacks hopes goodbye. I mean the riding
was on the wall, I think when Schaffy Hackey was
called into the wider training group for the ABS.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
So look, I think you want.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
These players to obviously play in New Zealand because it
makes a competition so much better. He is electric and
excitement machine. But you just go well, to be honest,
you know that, how can you say no to that
money if there's a way to make it happen, I say,
fair enough, if you go there's always talent coming through.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
This is such an interesting case study, isn't it, Because
it was after the twenty twenty three Super Rugby season
when Shawn Stevenson was probably the standout player in the competition,
and it would it just seems so obvious to pick
him for the All Blacks and he got he got
the one Test and he down in Dunedin?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That's right, played one Test in a World Cup year
which he would have been feeling pretty bullish about, but
missed out on the squad and a bit like Hoskins really,
you know, there was just, let's face it, probably the
two best Super Rugby players over the past two seasons
just can't get a looking at their next step up.
And I think it makes a big difference to how
you're feeling about your path or your.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Progression really in the sport.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And right now it's probably time as a twenty eight
year old fullback to go and make some money.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Absolutely right, we'll keep an eye on that, will keep
an eye on your Twitter account for the most to
dates breaking news if you are indeed still allowed to
tweet by Yeah, make these decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I've got a shot collar now that's been given to me,
so normally my guideline for tweeting is don't tweet anything
or any joke that you couldn't tell your grandmother. I
thought that was a pretty good guideline, but now I've
got some new ones. So yeah, the shot collar is
on all right.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Other matters around the A League the derby last week
it continued to simmer, didn't it? The A League Derby
with the coach's war of words. I think the players
kind of moved on quite quickly. Jim CALLOWI Taliana and
Steve Coriicer continued to sort of, I guess go at
each other a little bit in the days that followed.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Oh absolutely, this is exactly what that sport needs.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
So we were there for the twenty six thousand game,
the derby game, Piney and then poor old talk about
falling off a cliff. The Wellington Phoenix hosted MacArthur yesterday
and there.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Was seven thousand I think at the Captain yep.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So this is where the issue, I think for all
New Zealand sports really is how do you keep that interest?
How do you get people through the gates that There's
a lot of work to be done on the marketing side.
On the game day experience and now we watch with
interest because I think the battle is not just on
the field. I think off the field merchandise. The Auckland
(06:31):
NEFC have sold twenty thousand shirts. The Warriors I think
sold thirty nine thousand last season jerseys. So they're sort
of like that's their goal to get up to past
thirty nine thousand, and I'm sure the Wellington fence will
be acutely aware of the fact that they need to
keep up in that race as.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, have to and bumps on seats they have to. James,
do you have to lift their game? They do. They
have to. It's it's not negotiable. Now, you're so right,
the difference between what we saw last weekend and yes,
I know it wasn't a derby in Wellington yesterday, but
the differences start. They have to lift their off field
game the next they do.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And the thing is on the field.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
The Knicks are looking okay, but still a lost yesterday,
a loss to Aukland the FC that's sliding down the table.
To be honest, if there was if both our New
Zealand teams make the playoffs, and I hope they do,
I actually think that the Phoenix are just as well
equipped to do to do really well to win it,
because imagine a fert Marco Rojas and obviously Costa Barbarusis
(07:34):
and Alex Rufer just getting and she gave the new
Japanese player. So you can't feel down in the dumps
about the results just yet. Phoenix fans, it just needs
to somehow get that alchemy that that chief he found
last year with the team.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Indeed, Hey, quick word on Caitlyn Clark. She's won the
Time magazine Athlete of the Year.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yes, Caitlin Clark, the basketballer who all eyes were on
her when she was at Iowa. She's twenty two now,
played her first season in the WNBA, was named Rookie
of the Year, All NBA First Team of the Year.
She finished with an average of nineteen points and eight assists.
And now she's Time Athlete of the Year. And the criticism,
(08:14):
the Caitlin Clark haters are everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
They're coming in.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They're coming in from the league itself, which I think
is just shocking. Really, You've actually got to just appreciate
sometimes there is such a thing as buzz. And look
at Reagan, She's probably Athlete of the Year, right, You know,
but in this case, she won the Olympics and she
got dead last. So I mean, in this case, we're
(08:39):
talking about someone who is outstanding. Yes, she's at the
start of this of her career. But I remember when
there was a young Indian go came here who just
made his debut age sixteen, Sashin ten Doolka, and I
got to interview him. He had two bodyguards with him
actually the Devon Hotel in New Plymouth. One was Mohammed
Azerdin and the other was Capal dev So they wouldn't
(09:00):
let him ask a question answer a question without sort
of vetting at first. But the buzz around him was similar.
Sometimes he wasn't the best in the world at that point,
but everyone was talking about this kid, and I think
that sometimes happened. It's not that it's been dragged into
a race based sort of argument and debate, and I
(09:20):
don't think that's necessarily a factor. I think she's just
kepture the imagination of basketball fans around the world, and
people need to sort of lay off because I think
it's the last thing you need, really when someone is
doing something.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I think that's really positive for the sport.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
YEP, the buzz is real great to chant as always,
James Arlie stow it again next Sunday. Cheers Piney have
a good one, but you have a good one too,
James Spiccari part of our Sundays here on newst Talks.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Heb for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to News Talks EDB weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from news Talks B one four.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's around ambout this time on a Sunday that we
catch up with James mcconey from the Alternative Commentary Collective,
Greg goes Wild and various other bits and pieces. I
think you're actually working for the ACC today, are you?
But you've taken time out of that schedule to join us.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, I've escaped the ACC of come to see you,
piney and looking forward to a great afternoon's cricket with
Matt Henry so far looking the goods?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, isn't he just hasn't he just become this spearhead?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You think about the days of Sowdy and Bolton Wagner
which are almost at an end, and Matt Henry had
to be patient, hasn't he? But man, he's well two
for twenty nine so far in listenings. He's just our
he's our leading seam bowling light now he is.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And in fact, just before lunch I would have thought, oh,
maybe give Will O'Rourke an over or two, but I guess, you.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Know, this is Tim's test and that's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But I just think it's looking like there's a chance
to strike while the iron's hot. But we were talking
last week Piney, you know what needs to happen, and
I think they've listened to us because we were talking
about will Young Mitt Santna. They've come in and they
did a job with the bat, did pretty well. So
now it's up to I wonder when Mitchell get chucked
(01:25):
the ball on his home pitch as well.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that'll happen this afternoon, particularly if
the wickets start to dry up a little bit. You
get the feeling that Mitchell Santon will get the ball
in his hand. Hey, bit of a few topics to
talk about. Wanted to get your view on the A
League shortly, but can we start with rugby. Had the
delight of chatting to Wallace Satiti on the show yesterday
(01:47):
after he won All Blacks Player of the Year Hoskins
Setutu Super Rugby Player of the Year and again, you know,
we can revisit the topic of how the Super Rugby
Player of the Year can be overlooked for the All
Blacks exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I mean, I think Wallace Cetizi has been exceptional. It
had to be him. It was his award, made every
single post winner and also was given that freedom. So
I also feel that if Hoskins Stitutu had played in
the All Blacks, he might have done something similar. He
might have been given that roving commission that Wallace had
and just excelled as well. And I personally I think
(02:25):
there's room for both of them in the All Blacks.
And it's kind of still strange having someone who was
the super rugby player of the year on the outer,
but hey, look it's recognition. I think Hoskins Situtu still
wants to leave. I think his people are talking to
n Z Rugby and initially were rebuffed, but he'll play
another season for the Blues. I think he really wants
(02:48):
to win another title for vern Cotter and is it
you know they've got a great team chemistry there. But
then after that the officer on the table and all
roads are porting to England. I think for Hoskins, they
if he can get out of that contract.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Now, you turned up breaking news journalist during the week
on x formerly Twitter when you dropped a rugby bombshell,
letting us all that Shawn Stevenson is leaving the Chiefs
to play in Japan.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, apparently prematurely. I have been told off for that tweet.
I mean you're never too old to get told off,
pony No. But they are in talks and that is
Liam Williams, the Welsh fallback. It was at Kubota he
had to leave, so there was a big gap with
a massive salary attached in Japan and Seawan Stevenson. I
mean there have been stories of him stiffing around NRL,
(03:39):
the Warriors, the Roosters, but this one here is a
big money deal. I think it's going to go ahead.
Sean Stevenson will go up to Japan. I think he's
kissed as all blacks hopes goodbye. I mean the riding
was on the wall, I think when Schaffy Hackey was
called into the wider training group for the ABS.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
So look, I think you want.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
These players to obviously play in New Zealand because it
makes a competition so much better. He is electric and
excitement machine. But you just go well, to be honest,
you know that, how can you say no to that
money if there's a way to make it happen, I say,
fair enough, if you go there's always talent coming through.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
This is such an interesting case study, isn't it, Because
it was after the twenty twenty three Super Rugby season
when Shawn Stevenson was probably the standout player in the competition,
and it would it just seems so obvious to pick
him for the All Blacks and he got he got
the one Test and he down in Dunedin?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That's right, played one Test in a World Cup year
which he would have been feeling pretty bullish about, but
missed out on the squad and a bit like Hoskins really,
you know, there was just, let's face it, probably the
two best Super Rugby players over the past two seasons
just can't get a looking at their next step up.
And I think it makes a big difference to how
you're feeling about your path or your.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Progression really in the sport.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And right now it's probably time as a twenty eight
year old fullback to go and make some money.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Absolutely right, we'll keep an eye on that, will keep
an eye on your Twitter account for the most to
dates breaking news if you are indeed still allowed to
tweet by Yeah, make these decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I've got a shot collar now that's been given to me,
so normally my guideline for tweeting is don't tweet anything
or any joke that you couldn't tell your grandmother. I
thought that was a pretty good guideline, but now I've
got some new ones. So yeah, the shot collar is
on all right.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Other matters around the A League the derby last week
it continued to simmer, didn't it? The A League Derby
with the coach's war of words. I think the players
kind of moved on quite quickly. Jim CALLOWI Taliana and
Steve Coriicer continued to sort of, I guess go at
each other a little bit in the days that followed.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Oh absolutely, this is exactly what that sport needs.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
So we were there for the twenty six thousand game,
the derby game, Piney and then poor old talk about
falling off a cliff. The Wellington Phoenix hosted MacArthur yesterday
and there.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Was seven thousand I think at the Captain yep.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So this is where the issue, I think for all
New Zealand sports really is how do you keep that interest?
How do you get people through the gates that There's
a lot of work to be done on the marketing side.
On the game day experience and now we watch with
interest because I think the battle is not just on
the field. I think off the field merchandise. The Auckland
(06:31):
NEFC have sold twenty thousand shirts. The Warriors I think
sold thirty nine thousand last season jerseys. So they're sort
of like that's their goal to get up to past
thirty nine thousand, and I'm sure the Wellington fence will
be acutely aware of the fact that they need to
keep up in that race as.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, have to and bumps on seats they have to. James,
do you have to lift their game? They do. They
have to. It's it's not negotiable. Now, you're so right,
the difference between what we saw last weekend and yes,
I know it wasn't a derby in Wellington yesterday, but
the differences start. They have to lift their off field
game the next they do.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And the thing is on the field.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
The Knicks are looking okay, but still a lost yesterday,
a loss to Aukland the FC that's sliding down the table.
To be honest, if there was if both our New
Zealand teams make the playoffs, and I hope they do,
I actually think that the Phoenix are just as well
equipped to do to do really well to win it,
because imagine a fert Marco Rojas and obviously Costa Barbarusis
(07:34):
and Alex Rufer just getting and she gave the new
Japanese player. So you can't feel down in the dumps
about the results just yet. Phoenix fans, it just needs
to somehow get that alchemy that that chief he found
last year with the team.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Indeed, Hey, quick word on Caitlyn Clark. She's won the
Time magazine Athlete of the Year.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yes, Caitlin Clark, the basketballer who all eyes were on
her when she was at Iowa. She's twenty two now,
played her first season in the WNBA, was named Rookie
of the Year, All NBA First Team of the Year.
She finished with an average of nineteen points and eight assists.
And now she's Time Athlete of the Year. And the criticism,
(08:14):
the Caitlin Clark haters are everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
They're coming in.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They're coming in from the league itself, which I think
is just shocking. Really, You've actually got to just appreciate
sometimes there is such a thing as buzz. And look
at Reagan, She's probably Athlete of the Year, right, You know,
but in this case, she won the Olympics and she
got dead last. So I mean, in this case, we're
(08:39):
talking about someone who is outstanding. Yes, she's at the
start of this of her career. But I remember when
there was a young Indian go came here who just
made his debut age sixteen, Sashin ten Doolka, and I
got to interview him. He had two bodyguards with him
actually the Devon Hotel in New Plymouth. One was Mohammed
Azerdin and the other was Capal dev So they wouldn't
(09:00):
let him ask a question answer a question without sort
of vetting at first. But the buzz around him was similar.
Sometimes he wasn't the best in the world at that point,
but everyone was talking about this kid, and I think
that sometimes happened. It's not that it's been dragged into
a race based sort of argument and debate, and I
(09:20):
don't think that's necessarily a factor. I think she's just
kepture the imagination of basketball fans around the world, and
people need to sort of lay off because I think
it's the last thing you need, really when someone is
doing something.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I think that's really positive for the sport.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
YEP, the buzz is real great to chant as always,
James Arlie stow it again next Sunday. Cheers Piney have
a good one, but you have a good one too,
James Spiccari part of our Sundays here on newst Talks.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Heb for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to News Talks EDB weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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