James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss the ongoing Super Rugby Season, the Six Nations, and the Black Caps' performance.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Zed B Monday afternoons mean a chat with James mcconey,
Alternative Commentary Collective Crowd Goes Wild all across your socials.
How are you mate?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oh? Great, thanks Piney and great to see that you've
been listening to the Alternative Commentary Collective because you've got
Patrick Kerlagrenie on your show and we were singing as
praises last night, literally singing songs included the song song
and perfect Gentleman by Why Cliff John. I don't know
if you know it, but anyway, Yeah, he was our
(00:42):
player of the day of the match.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
He was excellent. He was excellent and I must say,
in one of your other capacities on the Crowd Goes Wild,
I loved your chat with Kiren to mooifilow. This kid
can play too.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, and he's got one more year until he qualifies
for the All Blacks. I'm sure he's on Razors radar.
He's just so talented. He saw it a couple of
times last night. He did bomb a try in the
first half though, so obviously there's little canks to iron out,
but Yeah, he's just rapid and the appeals because he's
just got that elite speed, which you know if you've
(01:16):
been watching Six Nations be Albury, the French wing, just
having the fastest man on the field often helps out.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I just look at Mina Pacifica. Now they've got the buy.
And then their next two matches are against the Chiefs
at home on the twenty first of March. In fact,
that's meant to be Oh no, that's been moved, hasn't
it from nukwalaw for They won't play it up there
now will they. And then it's the Crusaders down in
christ Church last night. You know when they beat the Hurricanes,
did it feel to you like a pivotal moment? Do
(01:47):
you think it's something they can launch from?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It did? Actually it felt like a massive turning point.
I think Callegreen he made a big difference at ten
sorted out there lyne out. They had their two big
Parlangy locks and there one of whom Tom Savage got
yellow arded. So you know it wasn't smooth sailing, but
the dominance of that second half performance, especially against a
(02:12):
stacked Hurricanes bench. We're talking cam royguard all black number
one half back now Dup Kid Efi, all coming off
the bench and trying to make a big impact for
the Canes, which I think they did, especially at EFI,
but seeing the way that the Wa pacifica dominated territory
(02:34):
position were really creative, they sort of won that upfront
battle as well. And and to be honest, a player
like Miracle Fire Lungy is a bona fide superstar blindside
flank for Muana and for Manu Samoa, and it's it's
actually great to see a player who's you know, come
from the Island's plays for the Islands and there's going
(02:56):
to be I reckon, you know, world fist Dean material.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, oh look, it's it's awesome to watch them play.
And I look, I hope that they that they do
launch from the Hey, if the Reds beat the Crusaders
this afternoon, there'll be three wins from three, the war
Tars three wins from three. So after a month of
Super Rugby, we could have the warr Tars and the
Reds as the two teams with a one hundred record.
(03:21):
Did anybody pick that?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Not this correspondent, pony, but I didn't think the Tars
were going to be good though. I just thought they
seemed to get the best cast offs from the Rebels
and they picked up Joseph Sueliki and teane ed Med
was really good for North Harbor at first five in
the NBC. So really I saw the improvement coming from
(03:44):
the Tars and that's that's great that they're doing that,
because even the crowd seemed pretty pumped over there in Sydney,
and it's it's important given it's a traditional powerhouse of
the game and how dominant league is in that city.
But then look, I think that the competition is incredible.
Just so many games decided by you know, unscore games
(04:07):
they call them, so just you know, seven points are
under those fans want to see. The biggest concern for
me in this latest round is that Friday night with
the Blues against the Bundies, small crowd just didn't feel
like there was much energy. You can't exactly call yourself
have a home crowd advantage if you haven't got any
(04:29):
people there or energy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's a good point. It's a really good point. Yeah.
They It's a big arena to fill, isn't it. Though,
You know, even if you get twenty thousand in there,
it's still not half followers. And look, I'm not suggesting
they move somewhere else, but we all know what a
good sized medium like. I don't want to call Mount
Smart a boutique studiument you look at Mount Smart when
the Warriors are there or when Auckland FC are there,
(04:53):
you know it's probably twenty thousand and there, the place
just rocking.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Well, that's the thing that I know that Andrew Wore,
the CEO of the Blues, is looking down the road
and see what's happened at Mount Smart and the ground
it's just basically become, you know, such a massive social
phenomenon really of watching people go up the wars and
the Blues don't have that they won a title, what
(05:18):
else can they do? This is the thing. They've got
superstars playing out there that you know, Boden Barrett's out
on the field with Caleb Clark and Mark Talia. You
can't say they're not exciting an exciting team to watch.
But the one thing that did let them now know
was not taking the kick at goal. And I think
it's about time that maybe the kickers, just like the
old days when you play club rugby, quite often the
(05:39):
kicker would tell the captain what was going to happen next.
You can't live it up to the ford. He's put
his head in fifty rucks. You just said a week. Yeah,
we're actually kicking for goal, you mate.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know, and that was what decisions made. Yeah, hey,
six Nations this morning, and halftime between Ireland and France.
It was eight six to France over Ireland. So we're
talking about a goalkickers game there. At full time it's
forty two twenty seven defense optional in the second half.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Well, there's several things that play here. One is the
French just getting a sniff of blood really over in
Dublin and just starting to cut loose, and the ref
the new rules don't favor some of those big let's
call them plotting teams, and so the game speeds up.
Ireland can't slow it down the way they like and
(06:30):
can't control it, and the French are going this is
perfect for us. So there was one fact that I
think when I look at that Ireland team, man, it
was strong. There weren't too many key players missing. However,
there was James Low missing the Tasman wing. So you
lose a kiwi with only two kiwis out there. It
can be catastrophic, all hell breaks, loose money. It's like
(06:51):
a clover. If you've got four leaves, it's good luck.
Three leaves, just any normal clover.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And did anybody ever look for a two leaf clover?
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Clover come on now. So, I mean it was a
big factor for me. But even losing DuPont early, and
I just want to come back to that if I may,
But even losing DuPont earlier, it just showed the depth
that France had. That people who follow that that team
will notice that even the bench that were new players.
So the depth there is crazy. But just on DuPont,
(07:23):
who got taken out in the ruck and has a
potential ACL knee injury, I think the cleanout is still
a debacle and they might I think Rugby the next move,
the next big move will be sorting out the clean
out and we could end up going to a place
where you can't leave with the shoulder on someone who's
standing there praying and trapped in a ruck. Because that's
(07:47):
how people, you know, basically get injured out of World
Cups like Quinti Pyra and other things, and now you
see DuPont, I think maybe it's going to be more
like American football where you have to push, you know,
use your hands, maybe your arms as well, but definitely
not leading with the shoulder.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I totally agree. I totally totally agree. Do you reckon?
The black Caps can do it tonight? I've got Gary
Stead on the radio after two you reckon? I can
do it?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well? How much do you pay for a commentator's curse pony?
Because I think we can totally do it. I love
the look of the black Caps. I have said that
we shouldn't be playing Ratchen Avenger as an opener. We
should protect them from a new ball. And of course
that opinion was aut of bollocks because he scored a
ton in the semi final and looked fantastic. And maybe
(08:37):
that's the genius of it. That's the roll of the dice.
We can only really score over three point fifty if
you do have someone like Ratchet who is a budding
superstar opening the batting. I would still protect them. I
would still bat them at four, But then I'm not
the coach that's made taking the team to several finals
(08:58):
and one at least one of them and Drew another.
Don't forget that Poney this time though. I think we've
got a really strong attack, that bowling attack, with our
spinners working really nicely. The other day, Santa just looks
to be in great form taking he's taken that captain,
(09:19):
see you like a duck to water. And then even
Bracewam and Ratch and Revenger himself looking really handy tying
down in South African. So hopefully that can happen again.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Let's hope. So Hey, great to chat as always, James.
Good to know we're on the same wavelength around our
friend mister Paller GREENI let's chat again next Sunday, shall we.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Let's do that. And I do agree with you about
the super Round should be in Fiji. Let's make it happen,
lens existence.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, let's just imagine it into fact. I'm not sure
whether that's actually a thing. Good to talk to you,
James has always mate. James mcconny big part of our Sundays.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to News Talk z B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Zed B Monday afternoons mean a chat with James mcconey,
Alternative Commentary Collective Crowd Goes Wild all across your socials.
How are you mate?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oh? Great, thanks Piney and great to see that you've
been listening to the Alternative Commentary Collective because you've got
Patrick Kerlagrenie on your show and we were singing as
praises last night, literally singing songs included the song song
and perfect Gentleman by Why Cliff John. I don't know
if you know it, but anyway, Yeah, he was our
(00:42):
player of the day of the match.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
He was excellent. He was excellent and I must say,
in one of your other capacities on the Crowd Goes Wild,
I loved your chat with Kiren to mooifilow. This kid
can play too.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, and he's got one more year until he qualifies
for the All Blacks. I'm sure he's on Razors radar.
He's just so talented. He saw it a couple of
times last night. He did bomb a try in the
first half though, so obviously there's little canks to iron out,
but Yeah, he's just rapid and the appeals because he's
just got that elite speed, which you know if you've
(01:16):
been watching Six Nations be Albury, the French wing, just
having the fastest man on the field often helps out.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I just look at Mina Pacifica. Now they've got the buy.
And then their next two matches are against the Chiefs
at home on the twenty first of March. In fact,
that's meant to be Oh no, that's been moved, hasn't
it from nukwalaw for They won't play it up there
now will they. And then it's the Crusaders down in
christ Church last night. You know when they beat the Hurricanes,
did it feel to you like a pivotal moment? Do
(01:47):
you think it's something they can launch from?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It did? Actually it felt like a massive turning point.
I think Callegreen he made a big difference at ten
sorted out there lyne out. They had their two big
Parlangy locks and there one of whom Tom Savage got
yellow arded. So you know it wasn't smooth sailing, but
the dominance of that second half performance, especially against a
(02:12):
stacked Hurricanes bench. We're talking cam royguard all black number
one half back now Dup Kid Efi, all coming off
the bench and trying to make a big impact for
the Canes, which I think they did, especially at EFI,
but seeing the way that the Wa pacifica dominated territory
(02:34):
position were really creative, they sort of won that upfront
battle as well. And and to be honest, a player
like Miracle Fire Lungy is a bona fide superstar blindside
flank for Muana and for Manu Samoa, and it's it's
actually great to see a player who's you know, come
from the Island's plays for the Islands and there's going
(02:56):
to be I reckon, you know, world fist Dean material.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, oh look, it's it's awesome to watch them play.
And I look, I hope that they that they do
launch from the Hey, if the Reds beat the Crusaders
this afternoon, there'll be three wins from three, the war
Tars three wins from three. So after a month of
Super Rugby, we could have the warr Tars and the
Reds as the two teams with a one hundred record.
(03:21):
Did anybody pick that?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Not this correspondent, pony, but I didn't think the Tars
were going to be good though. I just thought they
seemed to get the best cast offs from the Rebels
and they picked up Joseph Sueliki and teane ed Med
was really good for North Harbor at first five in
the NBC. So really I saw the improvement coming from
(03:44):
the Tars and that's that's great that they're doing that,
because even the crowd seemed pretty pumped over there in Sydney,
and it's it's important given it's a traditional powerhouse of
the game and how dominant league is in that city.
But then look, I think that the competition is incredible.
Just so many games decided by you know, unscore games
(04:07):
they call them, so just you know, seven points are
under those fans want to see. The biggest concern for
me in this latest round is that Friday night with
the Blues against the Bundies, small crowd just didn't feel
like there was much energy. You can't exactly call yourself
have a home crowd advantage if you haven't got any
(04:29):
people there or energy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's a good point. It's a really good point. Yeah.
They It's a big arena to fill, isn't it. Though,
You know, even if you get twenty thousand in there,
it's still not half followers. And look, I'm not suggesting
they move somewhere else, but we all know what a
good sized medium like. I don't want to call Mount
Smart a boutique studiument you look at Mount Smart when
the Warriors are there or when Auckland FC are there,
(04:53):
you know it's probably twenty thousand and there, the place
just rocking.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Well, that's the thing that I know that Andrew Wore,
the CEO of the Blues, is looking down the road
and see what's happened at Mount Smart and the ground
it's just basically become, you know, such a massive social
phenomenon really of watching people go up the wars and
the Blues don't have that they won a title, what
(05:18):
else can they do? This is the thing. They've got
superstars playing out there that you know, Boden Barrett's out
on the field with Caleb Clark and Mark Talia. You
can't say they're not exciting an exciting team to watch.
But the one thing that did let them now know
was not taking the kick at goal. And I think
it's about time that maybe the kickers, just like the
old days when you play club rugby, quite often the
(05:39):
kicker would tell the captain what was going to happen next.
You can't live it up to the ford. He's put
his head in fifty rucks. You just said a week. Yeah,
we're actually kicking for goal, you mate.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know, and that was what decisions made. Yeah, hey,
six Nations this morning, and halftime between Ireland and France.
It was eight six to France over Ireland. So we're
talking about a goalkickers game there. At full time it's
forty two twenty seven defense optional in the second half.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Well, there's several things that play here. One is the
French just getting a sniff of blood really over in
Dublin and just starting to cut loose, and the ref
the new rules don't favor some of those big let's
call them plotting teams, and so the game speeds up.
Ireland can't slow it down the way they like and
(06:30):
can't control it, and the French are going this is
perfect for us. So there was one fact that I
think when I look at that Ireland team, man, it
was strong. There weren't too many key players missing. However,
there was James Low missing the Tasman wing. So you
lose a kiwi with only two kiwis out there. It
can be catastrophic, all hell breaks, loose money. It's like
(06:51):
a clover. If you've got four leaves, it's good luck.
Three leaves, just any normal clover.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And did anybody ever look for a two leaf clover?
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Clover come on now. So, I mean it was a
big factor for me. But even losing DuPont early, and
I just want to come back to that if I may,
But even losing DuPont earlier, it just showed the depth
that France had. That people who follow that that team
will notice that even the bench that were new players.
So the depth there is crazy. But just on DuPont,
(07:23):
who got taken out in the ruck and has a
potential ACL knee injury, I think the cleanout is still
a debacle and they might I think Rugby the next move,
the next big move will be sorting out the clean
out and we could end up going to a place
where you can't leave with the shoulder on someone who's
standing there praying and trapped in a ruck. Because that's
(07:47):
how people, you know, basically get injured out of World
Cups like Quinti Pyra and other things, and now you
see DuPont, I think maybe it's going to be more
like American football where you have to push, you know,
use your hands, maybe your arms as well, but definitely
not leading with the shoulder.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I totally agree. I totally totally agree. Do you reckon?
The black Caps can do it tonight? I've got Gary
Stead on the radio after two you reckon? I can
do it?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well? How much do you pay for a commentator's curse pony?
Because I think we can totally do it. I love
the look of the black Caps. I have said that
we shouldn't be playing Ratchen Avenger as an opener. We
should protect them from a new ball. And of course
that opinion was aut of bollocks because he scored a
ton in the semi final and looked fantastic. And maybe
(08:37):
that's the genius of it. That's the roll of the dice.
We can only really score over three point fifty if
you do have someone like Ratchet who is a budding
superstar opening the batting. I would still protect them. I
would still bat them at four, But then I'm not
the coach that's made taking the team to several finals
(08:58):
and one at least one of them and Drew another.
Don't forget that Poney this time though. I think we've
got a really strong attack, that bowling attack, with our
spinners working really nicely. The other day, Santa just looks
to be in great form taking he's taken that captain,
(09:19):
see you like a duck to water. And then even
Bracewam and Ratch and Revenger himself looking really handy tying
down in South African. So hopefully that can happen again.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Let's hope. So Hey, great to chat as always, James.
Good to know we're on the same wavelength around our
friend mister Paller GREENI let's chat again next Sunday, shall we.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Let's do that. And I do agree with you about
the super Round should be in Fiji. Let's make it happen,
lens existence.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, let's just imagine it into fact. I'm not sure
whether that's actually a thing. Good to talk to you,
James has always mate. James mcconny big part of our Sundays.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to News Talk z B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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