This week, James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss how NPC ruby can be improved, the ongoing Super Rugby season and Ryan Fox's golf prowess.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk ZB James mccaroney, Hello mate.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Get a piney. How are you? Yes, enjoying all the calls,
but also I've got a plan for the NPC. Can
I put you go on?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah? Can I please please watch your pitch?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
My pitch is that apart from Friday night, it's daytime rugby,
no kickoff later than five pm. People have said that,
but especially with the Friday night game, like cities like Auckland.
I mean, I don't think Pokakoe Counties would want a
Friday night game, So it has to be you know,
the union has to want it and be able to
market it properly. So then there's that three conferences the
(00:46):
South before teams on the South Island south of Otago, Canterbury, Tasman,
Central Wellington one of a two Hawks, Bay and Tallanaki,
and then North has the six remaining teams, So from
Bakland all the way up to Northland and you have
a top seven with the number one team going straight
to the semi finals, et cetera, et cetera, and you
(01:06):
trial new laws. So the rolling more tries are worth less.
You can make a box kick because they suck, and
then you know, just basically tinker with the laws even
limit the number of picking goes and one out runs
as well. You know, then you have to pass the
all you know, more than more than once or something,
which is what you actually do a lot of junior
(01:26):
rugby and league. You can't just run up from dummy
hars and stuff, and it works quite well.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Innovation. I love the innovation. We have to think outside
the box, don't we We have to do we can't
just keep on doing what we've always done, you know,
in a in a changing landscape like this. I think
I love the conferences. I think that would you know,
that would compel you know, those those existing rivalries to
become perhaps even more passionate.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You need to pitch, Yeah, you need to pitch it
to whoever it is that makes these decisions at HQ.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. How many more months have I got with Mark Robinson?
I can maybe ask him for an audience just you
know where he slips out the door. But saving on
travel would be a big thing, I reckon, because you're
just going to you're going to reduce costs this day
and age. We all know that.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Poney, yep, absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well I like you.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I like the way you're thinking. Hey, now when we
speak in a week from now, you'll be a super
rugby champion. Surely the Chiefs will win it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No more baiting, please, The Master Beata is in the house.
And I tell you what I can't deal with. I
I was hoping that Brumbies would win because I just
don't want to deal with another disappointing final. I don't
want to see Rob Penny breakdance these things that we
have to win last night. Because now we go to
christ Church. The biggest task, the toughest task the hospital
(02:43):
pass and all of rugby is to go and win
down there. I mean, yeah, the Chiefs are a chance,
but your thoughts piney.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
No, I.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Look, it is a coin flip. I've been saying all afternoon.
The tab can't say bright them a dollar ninety each.
I honestly think the Chiefs can do it. I think
they can go down there and do it. There's these
findable things. Clayton McMillan will be heading away.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I know that doesn't count for anything on the scoreboard,
but doesn't count for something inside that playing group because
we know how much they they love him. The Damien
Mackenzie factor for me is massive. I think if it
was if the Crusaders had Bowden, Barrett or Richie Muonga,
then would be having a different conversation. I like Rivers Rahana,
but Dmak in big moments can be a game changer.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and I think Dmak will have more touches than
Bowden had on Friday Night. I think he's so involved
in the game as even with his with that defense,
defensive play, He's just everywhere, and I think that will
be a huge help. You could argue that the Crusaders
had the edge in the forwards and the Chiefs maybe
have an edge in the backs, but then we're waiting
on Sean Stevenson and I agree with your text before
(03:56):
saying it's any nine. Nice of Tuto for me would
be the logical replacement good big left food on him
as well so he can kick, which will be needed.
But my biggest concern is I think Will Jordan is
the best rugby player and he's Yellen at the moment,
back or forward, and he's got a bug knee and
he's still the best in show as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, incredible player. Hey, I'm just on on the forward battle.
How good's Christian Leo will He Bean? He's a player,
isn't he.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh No, he's amazing. The massy boy from out west
here choir boy. You know, he's just one of those guys.
And I mean, raising needs to take credit. Probably one
of the best sign of you know, scouts of diamonds
in the rough. You know, fitzu Douglas was another one
that he brought down there come or come or you
know those guys that have come flourished in the Crusaders,
(04:44):
you know, Jordan til four before that. There's just so
many players that they take and turn into champions. I
love Christian Leo Willie and I think though our Chiefs
lose forwards, they with with our top loose forwards out there.
And I think Simon Parker probably needs to come back
into the mix because he's had a good season. But
Jacobson slowly turning into Sam kne you know, just cleaning
(05:08):
the ball perfectly so we get better possession. And obviously
while of the TT is still trying and he's got
that ankle strapped up, but I think he'll be another
week and probably a game not as physical as the
Crusader's Blues game will help. So my one thing I
would say before we move off Super Rugby is out wide,
(05:30):
the Chiefs have some real razz or dazzle. But if
you noticed even last night, the difference they made was
mainly through the middle. So Nadawa with the pick and
go and a couple of breaks up the center. There
was an assist from Leroy Cardiff right in front of
the posts. So sometimes it's not out wide where you
get the impact from these guys, so watch for that
as well.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, and tight games as well. You're so right, Well
Will Jordan with a pick and go try on Friday night?
You know that's not Will Jordan's you know, normal method
of scoring isn't. But you're so right, And yeah, there
we be lots of water chat about across the week. Yeah,
let's see where we are all week from now. Hey,
other matters around, Ryan Fox continues has rise. I mean,
he obviously is out of contention at the US Open,
(06:09):
but he's playing in the US Open. He's playing the
weekend at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Exactly. I mean, I love the rise of Ryan Fox
has been an incredible story and his reconnecting with his
old coach, Marcus Wheelhouse, has made a huge difference to him.
Just confidence. Those two guys just bounce off each other
and gel really well. And I don't know. I know
for a fact that when Marcus Wheelhouse is overseas with
Ryan Fox, he tends to phone his wife Melody Robinson
(06:38):
less because he's having such a good time with Foxy
that just you know, I mean, it makes a difference. Right,
other times he's zooming and he's face timing, but a
when he's with Foxy, he's having the time of his life.
And I think that makes a big difference. As you No, Pinty,
you're on tour probably facetiming and missus all the time, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Oh no, we do tend to chant, yeah, reasonably regularly.
But I don't know. I don't know Melody Robinson or
Marcus Wheelhouse well at all. Obviously had a bit to
do with both of them, but I reckon they've obviously
come to some sort of arrangement that works for everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, it's very good. So having Barker's back, I can
see Ryan Fox as well. He's looking a lot trimmer.
I think he's laying off the Applebee's, which I found
very tempting over there. I think he goes to the
PF Chain's or something. There are a lot of good
restaurants in America with very big portions. But Fox, he
has been disciplined. But also what he's getting his respect
(07:33):
from the elite. He's one of the boys now. So
Scotti Scheffler pretty much came up to him and said
that three would you hit in that playoff hole at
the Canadian Open was one of the greatest shots I've
ever seen.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Rory mckleboy's giving him a bear hug in the car
park and this is the difference. Fox, He's one of
the lambs.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, love it, I absolutely love love it for him.
Can we finish with tennis? We know that that rugby
has built on tribalism and rivalries. Tennis is as well,
and we've got a bit of a new guard emerging.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes, indeed. And look, I mean I think the the
Ciner versus our Karez rivalry men's tennis needed that so badly.
But also the you know, Cocoa golf coming through and
upsetting the apple cart there in the in the French
Open was outstanding. So I mean, I just think that
having I think there were Seeds one and two playing
(08:25):
each other was just brilliant for tennis and it really
needed it because the drop off after the veteran Nadal
and you know, Jokovac, even though he's still around, is huge.
And I think, you know, without the the Williams sisters,
et cetera, whatever you want, that both both sides of
tennis needed a shot in the arm and they've got it,
(08:46):
but also wanted to maybe just finish Pony just quickly.
With the cricket, I thought the South Africans were incredible.
I'm glad they they won, and I was impressed at
how humble they were in victory saying oh hey we
got the better conditions. It's like it doesn't matter you
won the World Test Championship. And we need to thank
South Africa because without seven South Africa cricket in that factory,
(09:09):
we would not have Neil Wagner, Devin Conway, Glenn Phillips,
Colin Monroe, Grant Elliott, the list goes on Piney. So
thanks to South African.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Cricket indeed, and good to see them lose that chokers
for tag. Finally, good to chat James, we'll do it
again next week when you're a Super Rugby champion winning
team supporter. Look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Pine, Listen live
to News Talk said B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk ZB James mccaroney, Hello mate.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Get a piney. How are you? Yes, enjoying all the calls,
but also I've got a plan for the NPC. Can
I put you go on?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah? Can I please please watch your pitch?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
My pitch is that apart from Friday night, it's daytime rugby,
no kickoff later than five pm. People have said that,
but especially with the Friday night game, like cities like Auckland.
I mean, I don't think Pokakoe Counties would want a
Friday night game, So it has to be you know,
the union has to want it and be able to
market it properly. So then there's that three conferences the
(00:46):
South before teams on the South Island south of Otago, Canterbury, Tasman,
Central Wellington one of a two Hawks, Bay and Tallanaki,
and then North has the six remaining teams, So from
Bakland all the way up to Northland and you have
a top seven with the number one team going straight
to the semi finals, et cetera, et cetera, and you
(01:06):
trial new laws. So the rolling more tries are worth less.
You can make a box kick because they suck, and
then you know, just basically tinker with the laws even
limit the number of picking goes and one out runs
as well. You know, then you have to pass the
all you know, more than more than once or something,
which is what you actually do a lot of junior
(01:26):
rugby and league. You can't just run up from dummy
hars and stuff, and it works quite well.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Innovation. I love the innovation. We have to think outside
the box, don't we We have to do we can't
just keep on doing what we've always done, you know,
in a in a changing landscape like this. I think
I love the conferences. I think that would you know,
that would compel you know, those those existing rivalries to
become perhaps even more passionate.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You need to pitch, Yeah, you need to pitch it
to whoever it is that makes these decisions at HQ.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah. How many more months have I got with Mark Robinson?
I can maybe ask him for an audience just you
know where he slips out the door. But saving on
travel would be a big thing, I reckon, because you're
just going to you're going to reduce costs this day
and age. We all know that.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Poney, yep, absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well I like you.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I like the way you're thinking. Hey, now when we
speak in a week from now, you'll be a super
rugby champion. Surely the Chiefs will win it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No more baiting, please, The Master Beata is in the house.
And I tell you what I can't deal with. I
I was hoping that Brumbies would win because I just
don't want to deal with another disappointing final. I don't
want to see Rob Penny breakdance these things that we
have to win last night. Because now we go to
christ Church. The biggest task, the toughest task the hospital
(02:43):
pass and all of rugby is to go and win
down there. I mean, yeah, the Chiefs are a chance,
but your thoughts piney.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
No, I.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Look, it is a coin flip. I've been saying all afternoon.
The tab can't say bright them a dollar ninety each.
I honestly think the Chiefs can do it. I think
they can go down there and do it. There's these
findable things. Clayton McMillan will be heading away.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I know that doesn't count for anything on the scoreboard,
but doesn't count for something inside that playing group because
we know how much they they love him. The Damien
Mackenzie factor for me is massive. I think if it
was if the Crusaders had Bowden, Barrett or Richie Muonga,
then would be having a different conversation. I like Rivers Rahana,
but Dmak in big moments can be a game changer.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and I think Dmak will have more touches than
Bowden had on Friday Night. I think he's so involved
in the game as even with his with that defense,
defensive play, He's just everywhere, and I think that will
be a huge help. You could argue that the Crusaders
had the edge in the forwards and the Chiefs maybe
have an edge in the backs, but then we're waiting
on Sean Stevenson and I agree with your text before
(03:56):
saying it's any nine. Nice of Tuto for me would
be the logical replacement good big left food on him
as well so he can kick, which will be needed.
But my biggest concern is I think Will Jordan is
the best rugby player and he's Yellen at the moment,
back or forward, and he's got a bug knee and
he's still the best in show as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, incredible player. Hey, I'm just on on the forward battle.
How good's Christian Leo will He Bean? He's a player,
isn't he.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh No, he's amazing. The massy boy from out west
here choir boy. You know, he's just one of those guys.
And I mean, raising needs to take credit. Probably one
of the best sign of you know, scouts of diamonds
in the rough. You know, fitzu Douglas was another one
that he brought down there come or come or you
know those guys that have come flourished in the Crusaders,
(04:44):
you know, Jordan til four before that. There's just so
many players that they take and turn into champions. I
love Christian Leo Willie and I think though our Chiefs
lose forwards, they with with our top loose forwards out there.
And I think Simon Parker probably needs to come back
into the mix because he's had a good season. But
Jacobson slowly turning into Sam kne you know, just cleaning
(05:08):
the ball perfectly so we get better possession. And obviously
while of the TT is still trying and he's got
that ankle strapped up, but I think he'll be another
week and probably a game not as physical as the
Crusader's Blues game will help. So my one thing I
would say before we move off Super Rugby is out wide,
(05:30):
the Chiefs have some real razz or dazzle. But if
you noticed even last night, the difference they made was
mainly through the middle. So Nadawa with the pick and
go and a couple of breaks up the center. There
was an assist from Leroy Cardiff right in front of
the posts. So sometimes it's not out wide where you
get the impact from these guys, so watch for that
as well.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, and tight games as well. You're so right, Well
Will Jordan with a pick and go try on Friday night?
You know that's not Will Jordan's you know, normal method
of scoring isn't. But you're so right, And yeah, there
we be lots of water chat about across the week. Yeah,
let's see where we are all week from now. Hey,
other matters around, Ryan Fox continues has rise. I mean,
he obviously is out of contention at the US Open,
(06:09):
but he's playing in the US Open. He's playing the
weekend at the US Open.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Exactly. I mean, I love the rise of Ryan Fox
has been an incredible story and his reconnecting with his
old coach, Marcus Wheelhouse, has made a huge difference to him.
Just confidence. Those two guys just bounce off each other
and gel really well. And I don't know. I know
for a fact that when Marcus Wheelhouse is overseas with
Ryan Fox, he tends to phone his wife Melody Robinson
(06:38):
less because he's having such a good time with Foxy
that just you know, I mean, it makes a difference. Right,
other times he's zooming and he's face timing, but a
when he's with Foxy, he's having the time of his life.
And I think that makes a big difference. As you No, Pinty,
you're on tour probably facetiming and missus all the time, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Oh no, we do tend to chant, yeah, reasonably regularly.
But I don't know. I don't know Melody Robinson or
Marcus Wheelhouse well at all. Obviously had a bit to
do with both of them, but I reckon they've obviously
come to some sort of arrangement that works for everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, it's very good. So having Barker's back, I can
see Ryan Fox as well. He's looking a lot trimmer.
I think he's laying off the Applebee's, which I found
very tempting over there. I think he goes to the
PF Chain's or something. There are a lot of good
restaurants in America with very big portions. But Fox, he
has been disciplined. But also what he's getting his respect
(07:33):
from the elite. He's one of the boys now. So
Scotti Scheffler pretty much came up to him and said
that three would you hit in that playoff hole at
the Canadian Open was one of the greatest shots I've
ever seen.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Rory mckleboy's giving him a bear hug in the car
park and this is the difference. Fox, He's one of
the lambs.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, love it, I absolutely love love it for him.
Can we finish with tennis? We know that that rugby
has built on tribalism and rivalries. Tennis is as well,
and we've got a bit of a new guard emerging.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes, indeed. And look, I mean I think the the
Ciner versus our Karez rivalry men's tennis needed that so badly.
But also the you know, Cocoa golf coming through and
upsetting the apple cart there in the in the French
Open was outstanding. So I mean, I just think that
having I think there were Seeds one and two playing
(08:25):
each other was just brilliant for tennis and it really
needed it because the drop off after the veteran Nadal
and you know, Jokovac, even though he's still around, is huge.
And I think, you know, without the the Williams sisters,
et cetera, whatever you want, that both both sides of
tennis needed a shot in the arm and they've got it,
(08:46):
but also wanted to maybe just finish Pony just quickly.
With the cricket, I thought the South Africans were incredible.
I'm glad they they won, and I was impressed at
how humble they were in victory saying oh hey we
got the better conditions. It's like it doesn't matter you
won the World Test Championship. And we need to thank
South Africa because without seven South Africa cricket in that factory,
(09:09):
we would not have Neil Wagner, Devin Conway, Glenn Phillips,
Colin Monroe, Grant Elliott, the list goes on Piney. So
thanks to South African.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Cricket indeed, and good to see them lose that chokers
for tag. Finally, good to chat James, we'll do it
again next week when you're a Super Rugby champion winning
team supporter. Look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Pine, Listen live
to News Talk said B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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