James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss the NPC season, Cam Roigard's foot injury and the Lions v Wallabies match.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks dB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
James mcconie's hair as usual on a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hello mate, good a poney? How things?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Very good?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thanks very good. A list of things I'd like to
get your views on today, starting with the Wallabies are
face saving twenty to twelve win and the Third Test
over the British and Irish lines and Sydney last night
and absolutely poured down for some of this game. What
did you make of it all?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I thought, I mean, for what was essentially a dead
rubber that was still very willing, and I thought, you know,
the pride of the Lions pun intended, let's be honest,
and also the fact that the Wallabies needed to save
some face or get something out of it. A whitewash
is pretty damning for a proud Test nation like them.
They stood up and look across the board. There were
(00:56):
some real heroes, but Nick White playing his final Test,
the man with the big mustache, she looks like a
time traveler. Phineas Fogg, Nigel Thornberry, call them what you will,
but he's a scrappy little bugger at halfback. And I
think he epitomized what the Wallabies needed to do, which
was fight for the win.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, he's a he is. He's just a street fighter,
isn't he? Say what you like about him. He can
annoy you, but I'm sure most of his teammates and
think probably all of them would love having him on
their team for that reason totally.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And this team, even though he's on his way out,
this team really is a work in progress. I mean,
I'm not sure how long we'll Skelton will be around.
He was immense as well. He is immense Auckland born
by the way, I think he was in New Zealand
until he was ten years old, so really a big
lump of a kiwi helping them out. And he's thirty three,
so you know there's a lot I guess of change happening.
(01:49):
And you can see Joseph su Elite, the superstar at center,
just growing with every game. So the Wallabies by no
means are a finished product. But you know, I actually was.
I was rooting for them, pony, I'm an anzac and
I did. I didn't want the Lions to win, just
find them a little bit annoying and slightly arrogant. At times.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, I do too, and I was the same as you.
I was watching that game last night and if I
was cheering for anybody, it was certainly the Wallabies. Now
they'll go away for the Rugby Championship now, of course,
so busy old year for them. The All Black squad
for the Rugby Championship named tomorrow. We've just heard that
Finlay Christy has been withdrawn from the Tasman team to
take on Bay of Plenty this afternoon. So I think
(02:31):
we know who the third half back replacing Noah Hotham
is going to be. Who else is named? Do you
expect to be there tomorrow who perhaps didn't play last month?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, I think we've got a bombshell for you here, pony,
because I'm hearing that cam Royguard is injured as well.
So that's just something that's going to be firmed up,
possibly in the next thirty minutes, So stay tuned to
newstorg ZB for all your rugby updates. But that's the
word I'm hearing from the Orblacks camp. They concerned it
could be a stress back fracture of some kind, but
(03:00):
that means we're going deep into the halfback reserves. But
just on that. If that's another the injury to add
to the list, what a list it is and currently
and I think you've gone through a lot of the players.
I mean we've got Scott and Bowden, Barrett out, there's
Wallace a Tt, there's Tupo Via under concussion protocol, Tyre Lomax.
(03:21):
The list goes on. Caleb Clark's gone as well. So
I think when you aim for that sixth of September Test,
this is the biggest Test match for a long time
in New Zealand against the spring Box at Eden Park.
The I think it's steady. How many years Piny helped
me out here thirty one years.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Nineteen ninety four, Yes, nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So there you go that Test match. I think you
know Razer will be thinking, I'm not here to fornicate
with the Racknids. I need to actually pick the best guy.
So you know, giving Lester Fining a Nuku some time
at NPC was a nice idea. No, I think he
gets called in Finley Christie. Of course we just talked
about we will need another half back. I'm as a
(04:06):
euro fan. I'm sure you're a Kyle Preston fan. I
mean they do need someone to come in is obviously
Dylan Pledgere the other twenties half back, highly rated. Raiven
loves him as well. So what's the space on that.
I know it's a lot to process. I'm sure you're
right now going, holy crap, Pola, what's telling on about?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's what I'm doing. I'm sunken down in my chair
with this news that Cam Royguard perhaps has a question
mark over him. And it does make sense when you
think about Finla like Christy being withdrawn from the game.
I was trying to get my head round it before,
thinking would they withdraw the third half back? Maybe they
would just in case he gets engine They've got to
call someone in at the eleventh hour. But if roy
Guard's out, So what are we talking here? Latimer, Christy
(04:49):
and one other? I mean, are we You mentioned a
couple there, I like Xavier Roh as well. What about
They wouldn't go back to Fialo Fucktava, would they?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well? I think they have to consider him. I think
they really do, and I mean Dylan Fleager is kind
of on the way up. But the experiment when the
test matches of this magnitude, you know, getting thrown I
don't think so, because you know, even Tom Lioner had
a full season of Super Rugby before he was thrown
into that first Lions Test, which I thought was a
bit of a hospital pass for him. But for this
(05:18):
really is I think you have to go for someone experienced.
Xavier Rowe started a lot of key games for the
Chiefs through and throughout most of Super Rugby and that
might be the body of work that gets him across
the line. But for alfac Tava, he's been in the
in camp before and you know he's got that athleticism
in power that you probably need against the spring box.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
All right, well, keep our eyes on this. This is yes,
I'm trying to I'm trying to process it in real
time here Actually a MPC. It's been great, hasn't a
part of the fact, Well, had he got beat by
Canterbury yesterday, I've loved the first five or six games.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, first of all, how great was that seed in
Pottydaw at Jerry Collins Stadium. If you live in Pottyda
you could just walk up the hill right and watch
Billy Proctor, Ruben Love, Peter Lay, all the star Cantaborians
and the team I mean that is amazing. Sort of
it's pseudo grassroots rugby, but really you're watching the superstars
(06:18):
just in suburban Wellington. I love that. Yeah, sorry about
your team Piney, No.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I no, and funny I I live. I literally live
ten minutes from a ten minute would be a brisk
ten minute walk from from potty to a park, so
I could do exactly what you just suggested if I
wasn't working, did you.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I know, didn't. But then Tuesday night we have to
talk about this game on Mulers all day. But they
look dead and buried and this is kind of like
coming back from out of nowhere to win that game.
But also Lemsopowanga, what a story. Yes he is seven
kilo's too heavy, but who's not poney, you know, like
(06:59):
I'm holding my hand up way more than seven. But
the thing is he made the break, he got the
return pass, scored there that key tribe, but all could
still had a chance to win it. So I thought drama.
In terms of drama, you couldn't have asked for more
huge game for the stand Thomas Trophy, but also rated
(07:19):
really well as on Sky, so there is a lot
of love for the NPC.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I like I like it that these these more experienced
players are coming back. I watched the Turbos and I
saw Nanny La Marpi out there and I thought this
was great. I just love it.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, I do have a theory that there's about five
or six NPC back lines that are better than the
Welsh back line. Okay, so I know Wales is in
a bit of a slump, but they are a Tier
one Test nation and they've almost made the World Cup
semi final last time in twenty twenty three. But I
think there's five or six MPC back lines that are
better than Wales. So you know, when when you get
(07:56):
into type five it's hard to find some you know,
really elite tall timber. But I think in terms of backs,
we're an absolute factory. Still in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh have you what have you seen the tea? It's
been backline this afternoon. Have Yeah. Well, Christie's out now obviously.
But the two have villies at ten and twelve are
Moor Springer, Tava, Taaway and too Moy Flaw.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah there's one, there's one, there's right away, Waikato is
another that and Auckland is another. I think, you know,
like there's and I don't think the Wellington back line too.
I mean, okay, Wales probably say we're happy because Louis
rue Sammit's coming back from NFL, but I would say
there's plenty of these these back lines that could go
(08:38):
the distance of Test Rugby. You know, Canterbury as well.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Absolutely right, Hey, God to leave it there, but I
don't know. There was other things on my list which
I can't get to. Some my apologies for that, but yeah,
let's I'm keeping a fingers crossed that that your oil
is wrong. I know it won't be, but we'll keep
eyes on the roy Guard situation and are you and
I can chat neek Sunday if that works for you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, pony next some have a bombshell. I will come
and going, did you do do do?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Do?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Do?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Do do do? Sorry about that, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
James mcconey massive part of our Sundays on z Base.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk zed B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks dB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
James mcconie's hair as usual on a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hello mate, good a poney? How things?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Very good?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thanks very good. A list of things I'd like to
get your views on today, starting with the Wallabies are
face saving twenty to twelve win and the Third Test
over the British and Irish lines and Sydney last night
and absolutely poured down for some of this game. What
did you make of it all?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I thought, I mean, for what was essentially a dead
rubber that was still very willing, and I thought, you know,
the pride of the Lions pun intended, let's be honest,
and also the fact that the Wallabies needed to save
some face or get something out of it. A whitewash
is pretty damning for a proud Test nation like them.
They stood up and look across the board. There were
(00:56):
some real heroes, but Nick White playing his final Test,
the man with the big mustache, she looks like a
time traveler. Phineas Fogg, Nigel Thornberry, call them what you will,
but he's a scrappy little bugger at halfback. And I
think he epitomized what the Wallabies needed to do, which
was fight for the win.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, he's a he is. He's just a street fighter,
isn't he? Say what you like about him. He can
annoy you, but I'm sure most of his teammates and
think probably all of them would love having him on
their team for that reason totally.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And this team, even though he's on his way out,
this team really is a work in progress. I mean,
I'm not sure how long we'll Skelton will be around.
He was immense as well. He is immense Auckland born
by the way, I think he was in New Zealand
until he was ten years old, so really a big
lump of a kiwi helping them out. And he's thirty three,
so you know there's a lot I guess of change happening.
(01:49):
And you can see Joseph su Elite, the superstar at center,
just growing with every game. So the Wallabies by no
means are a finished product. But you know, I actually was.
I was rooting for them, pony, I'm an anzac and
I did. I didn't want the Lions to win, just
find them a little bit annoying and slightly arrogant. At times.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, I do too, and I was the same as you.
I was watching that game last night and if I
was cheering for anybody, it was certainly the Wallabies. Now
they'll go away for the Rugby Championship now, of course,
so busy old year for them. The All Black squad
for the Rugby Championship named tomorrow. We've just heard that
Finlay Christy has been withdrawn from the Tasman team to
take on Bay of Plenty this afternoon. So I think
(02:31):
we know who the third half back replacing Noah Hotham
is going to be. Who else is named? Do you
expect to be there tomorrow who perhaps didn't play last month?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, I think we've got a bombshell for you here, pony,
because I'm hearing that cam Royguard is injured as well.
So that's just something that's going to be firmed up,
possibly in the next thirty minutes, So stay tuned to
newstorg ZB for all your rugby updates. But that's the
word I'm hearing from the Orblacks camp. They concerned it
could be a stress back fracture of some kind, but
(03:00):
that means we're going deep into the halfback reserves. But
just on that. If that's another the injury to add
to the list, what a list it is and currently
and I think you've gone through a lot of the players.
I mean we've got Scott and Bowden, Barrett out, there's
Wallace a Tt, there's Tupo Via under concussion protocol, Tyre Lomax.
(03:21):
The list goes on. Caleb Clark's gone as well. So
I think when you aim for that sixth of September Test,
this is the biggest Test match for a long time
in New Zealand against the spring Box at Eden Park.
The I think it's steady. How many years Piny helped
me out here thirty one years.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Nineteen ninety four, Yes, nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So there you go that Test match. I think you
know Razer will be thinking, I'm not here to fornicate
with the Racknids. I need to actually pick the best guy.
So you know, giving Lester Fining a Nuku some time
at NPC was a nice idea. No, I think he
gets called in Finley Christie. Of course we just talked
about we will need another half back. I'm as a
(04:06):
euro fan. I'm sure you're a Kyle Preston fan. I
mean they do need someone to come in is obviously
Dylan Pledgere the other twenties half back, highly rated. Raiven
loves him as well. So what's the space on that.
I know it's a lot to process. I'm sure you're
right now going, holy crap, Pola, what's telling on about?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's what I'm doing. I'm sunken down in my chair
with this news that Cam Royguard perhaps has a question
mark over him. And it does make sense when you
think about Finla like Christy being withdrawn from the game.
I was trying to get my head round it before,
thinking would they withdraw the third half back? Maybe they
would just in case he gets engine They've got to
call someone in at the eleventh hour. But if roy
Guard's out, So what are we talking here? Latimer, Christy
(04:49):
and one other? I mean, are we You mentioned a
couple there, I like Xavier Roh as well. What about
They wouldn't go back to Fialo Fucktava, would they?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well? I think they have to consider him. I think
they really do, and I mean Dylan Fleager is kind
of on the way up. But the experiment when the
test matches of this magnitude, you know, getting thrown I
don't think so, because you know, even Tom Lioner had
a full season of Super Rugby before he was thrown
into that first Lions Test, which I thought was a
bit of a hospital pass for him. But for this
(05:18):
really is I think you have to go for someone experienced.
Xavier Rowe started a lot of key games for the
Chiefs through and throughout most of Super Rugby and that
might be the body of work that gets him across
the line. But for alfac Tava, he's been in the
in camp before and you know he's got that athleticism
in power that you probably need against the spring box.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
All right, well, keep our eyes on this. This is yes,
I'm trying to I'm trying to process it in real
time here Actually a MPC. It's been great, hasn't a
part of the fact, Well, had he got beat by
Canterbury yesterday, I've loved the first five or six games.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, first of all, how great was that seed in
Pottydaw at Jerry Collins Stadium. If you live in Pottyda
you could just walk up the hill right and watch
Billy Proctor, Ruben Love, Peter Lay, all the star Cantaborians
and the team I mean that is amazing. Sort of
it's pseudo grassroots rugby, but really you're watching the superstars
(06:18):
just in suburban Wellington. I love that. Yeah, sorry about
your team Piney, No.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I no, and funny I I live. I literally live
ten minutes from a ten minute would be a brisk
ten minute walk from from potty to a park, so
I could do exactly what you just suggested if I
wasn't working, did you.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I know, didn't. But then Tuesday night we have to
talk about this game on Mulers all day. But they
look dead and buried and this is kind of like
coming back from out of nowhere to win that game.
But also Lemsopowanga, what a story. Yes he is seven
kilo's too heavy, but who's not poney, you know, like
(06:59):
I'm holding my hand up way more than seven. But
the thing is he made the break, he got the
return pass, scored there that key tribe, but all could
still had a chance to win it. So I thought drama.
In terms of drama, you couldn't have asked for more
huge game for the stand Thomas Trophy, but also rated
(07:19):
really well as on Sky, so there is a lot
of love for the NPC.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I like I like it that these these more experienced
players are coming back. I watched the Turbos and I
saw Nanny La Marpi out there and I thought this
was great. I just love it.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, I do have a theory that there's about five
or six NPC back lines that are better than the
Welsh back line. Okay, so I know Wales is in
a bit of a slump, but they are a Tier
one Test nation and they've almost made the World Cup
semi final last time in twenty twenty three. But I
think there's five or six MPC back lines that are
better than Wales. So you know, when when you get
(07:56):
into type five it's hard to find some you know,
really elite tall timber. But I think in terms of backs,
we're an absolute factory. Still in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh have you what have you seen the tea? It's
been backline this afternoon. Have Yeah. Well, Christie's out now obviously.
But the two have villies at ten and twelve are
Moor Springer, Tava, Taaway and too Moy Flaw.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah there's one, there's one, there's right away, Waikato is
another that and Auckland is another. I think, you know,
like there's and I don't think the Wellington back line too.
I mean, okay, Wales probably say we're happy because Louis
rue Sammit's coming back from NFL, but I would say
there's plenty of these these back lines that could go
(08:38):
the distance of Test Rugby. You know, Canterbury as well.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Absolutely right, Hey, God to leave it there, but I
don't know. There was other things on my list which
I can't get to. Some my apologies for that, but yeah,
let's I'm keeping a fingers crossed that that your oil
is wrong. I know it won't be, but we'll keep
eyes on the roy Guard situation and are you and
I can chat neek Sunday if that works for you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, pony next some have a bombshell. I will come
and going, did you do do do?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Do?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Do?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Do do do? Sorry about that, that's all right.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
James mcconey massive part of our Sundays on z Base.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk zed B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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